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Jack Thompson Files Take-Two, Rockstar Lawsuit
rtt writes "Jack Thompson is back on the video game scene and has followed through with his threat to file a law suit against Rockstar, Take-Two and Walmart for Rockstar's upcoming "Bully" title. bit-tech was sent a copy by the man himself which started as follows "Take-Two has until five o'clock p.m., Eastern time, Monday, August 14, 2006, to inform me in writing that it will forthwith provide me with a copy of Bully so that I and others can analyze it to determine whether it still poses a threat of copycat violence in our schools.""
...what the fuck? Did he watch the trailer? This game is about defeating bullies, not being one. Hell, from the looks of it, it's a comedic game, not GTA+School
Imagine the hours of fun playing the GCN version on the Wii, smacking Jack Thompsons in the head with the Wii-mote..
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, START
A not so clever ploy for a free game methinks ;-)
(And Rockstar thinks, "Hmmm...give him a game so that he can try to sue us...Actually that will probably take care of all the publicity we need!")
Why doesn't he just buy one himself?
Seems easier on everyone's behalf.
Breaking Into the Industry - A development log about starting a game studio.
So that I and others can analyze it to determine whether it still poses a threat of copycat luxury car driving in our schools.
I'm sure that Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. 1. Consulted their attorneys. 2. Their attorneys told them to ignore him and that 3. If he does file a lawsuit, they'll counter-sure for slander, and the judge will more than likely slap the initial idiot with a charge for filing frivolous lawsuits. Nothing will come of it. There are lots of wackos that file all sorts of wacko lawsuits every day. Most are without merit, and are certainly not news.
Now, how about a good review of the game...?
I wonder if he will have to pay retail ;)
---- aut viam inveniam aut faciam
Awsome - Rockstar have a new game - might check it out
Seriously, nobody gives a shit about him.
He's a self-promoting moralistic jerkoff. Stop giving him air by paying attention to him.
I think he just wants a free copy. I mean, who wouldn't?
when I invite Jack to take a nice vacation in the Sun. I mean physically inside the generally accepted diameter of the star.
It was a joke! When you give me that look it was a joke.
"Take-Two has until five o'clock p.m., Eastern time, Monday, August 14, 2006, to inform me in writing that it will forthwith provide me with a copy of Bully so that I and others can analyze it to determine whether it still poses a threat of copycat violence in our schools"
At the risk of sounding AOL:
Oooh - Me too please!
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For the last time. Someone interview him!(From slashdot). I have some questions that need answers. Apparently it seems difficult to see his stance on TakeTwo/Walmart being the major cause for concern.
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"I shall file a lawsuit against your respective companies to stop the game's October 1 release"
Wait... how can you bring someone to court for something before they didn't do it? He is saying that rockstar has practiced fraud in the games advertising and be brought up with the "Florida nuisance law" and his evidence in this is that they haven't sent him a copy.
This has to be thrown out of court.
Not that I agree with ole' Jackass, but how does that make things different? To devils advocate for a moment, people like JT are the ones who blame things like the Columbine shootings on video games, and that was related to bullying (in that the perpetrators were themselves bullied and perceived their actions to be revenge).
In Thompsons warped view of the world, games make children violent. This isn't a particularly rational viewpoint, but his actions here are consistant with it. What does he care that the game doesn't condone bullying? It's a Rockstar game (which he hates), and it's violent (which gives him a chance to get up on his soapbox and preach).
Erotic is when you use a feather. Exotic is when you use the whole chicken.
So he can't test it out until after the release date!
. . .which gives him a chance to get up on his soapbox and preach
Ohhhhhhh, the irony!
KFG
Remember that old story about some tech support guy who, upon asking a user to send him a copy of a floppy disk, received a piece of paper with the floppy disk photocopied on it?
Rockstar should do that.
Come on Jack you are the bully here, you are all hurt that no one takes you seriosuly so you try and pick on who ever you can... instead of using sticks and sontes you use ad hominums and strawmen...
---In a time of Chimpanzees I was a Monkey.
...the world famous comedian and one of the best actors there is.
Honestly, he has to be - he always makes me laugh with tears when he cracks one of his "how videogames [verb] the [noun]" jokes or when he retells the original classic "why videogames are root of all evil" one-liners.
Also, I really love the way he pretends to be the biggest, most bigoted dumbfuck on earth. I mean, this guy has pure talent - no one alive could be such an gigantic arsehole as he pretends to be.
+++ MELON MELON MELON +++ Out of Cheese Error +++ redo from start +++
Someone needs to teach you about real influences. I have played violent games for the majority of my life (starting with Wolfenstein 3D) and never once have I tried to recreate any of the scenarios. Jack seems to think that all of Rockstar/Take-Two games are solely popular because people want to reenact things, but how many people can truly blame video games on their crimes.
Excuse me, but I'm going to go kill some hookers, steal some kid's lunch money, and go joyriding in a stolen police car now.
If Oracle, Microsoft, and others can craft end user licenses that ban people from comparing their product against others and publishing those metrics, how about crafting a license that prevents people from reviewing and publishing information in context of copycat crimes?
Now we'll have 5000 posts screaming about this, most of them adding nothing to the argument. Why preach to the choir? Can someone explain it to me? Do people just like patting each other on the back?
To file a lawsuit you need a small amount of money. That's it. This doesn't mean anything. Trust me. They have no standing, they have no legitimate cause of action, this will go nowhere. Just calm the hell down people.
This is getting repetitive. See Jack Get Outraged. See Jack File Silly Lawsuit. See Judge Throw Out Lawsuit Because of Bad Spelling. BOOORRRRIIING!!!!
Hey, that gives me an idea. We should invite Jack to a Slashdot Interview. That would be interesting.
As I type this, I see four Google ads, all by law firms that want to help me sue somebody....
I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but you have to wonder if they're paying this guy. At the very least, the guy has to have stock in Take Two the way he shamelessly promotes them.
If I wanted a sig I would have filled in that stupid box.
Takes a serious ego to think you have the right to make such a demand from a company, simply because you've set yourself up as the one to make sure video games aren't too violent.
I'd love to see Take-Two to tell him to take a flying leap.
- My favorite error message: xscreensaver, running on an old Sparc 5 w/ 8bit color: bsod: Couldn't allocate color Blue
Video games don't make me violent...
Being pissed off at what an asshole Jack Thompson is makes me violent.
but I can't do it without your help. My criticisms will be lost in the crowd of largely positive reviews. But if I get a sneak peak, I'll beat the rush...
I'd much rather play this JT themed game:1 012
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=2005
Erotic is when you use a feather. Exotic is when you use the whole chicken.
smacking Jack Thompsons in the head ...
No, no -- you need to aim for a vital organ.
Why can't he just download the torrent like everyone else that isn't paying for a copy?
I mean, it seems like he is trying to bully Rockstar into giving him a free copy....
"But this one goes to 11!"
But remember since colombine its not about preventing bullying. Rather than getting at the root problem they keep with the old kids will be kids line and dismiss the bullies...but with johnny who gets beat up everyday we need to get him into counseling and ostracize him further just in case he goes postal one day.
I care even less about Jack than I do about another silly game from Rockstar.
The language from his suit is designed for media consumption, not to sway a judge.
Here's a random clip from his statement of facts:
Lawyers vary in how they make their statements of fact, but a long litany of statements like this make you sound unhinged and guilty of gross hyperbole. Maybe that's why he's been so stupendously unsuccessful in all of his anti-game lawsuits.
I also wonder at the letter he sent to Take-Two and Wal-Mart. The opening paragraph certainly sounds like a bald attempt at extortion. He's already skated on thin ice with the Florida Bar and with various judges. I wonder how much longer he'll be able to push the envelope with these vague and poorly constructed lawsuits before he gets nailed to the wall for it.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
His mouth is in his head.
So how do you fight Jack? Well first off all you don't fight him directly. He's like the fucking Candy Man. Mention his name and you give him power. Arguing with him is a waste of time. Jack or someone like him will always be there beating their chest and begging for air time. You'll never change his mind. What you can change is the validity of his arguments and we don't do that during a televised debate.
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All we have to do, is not be who he says we are.
-Gabe out
I really wholeheartedly agree. Giving him attention when he pulls this stupid crap is not going to make him go away. He's an attention-whoring lunatic. He WANTS us to get worked into a tizzy.
Coding with assembly is like playing with Legos. Coding an application in assembly is like building a car with Legos.
Notice that he phrased his request "...whether it still poses a threat of copycat violence in our schools." Not that there was proof that it ever posed a threat of copycat violence. "Hey Rockstar Games, are you still beating your wife?"
What sound do people on rollercoasters make? Hint: it's not Xbox 360.
I am so sick of the "it's for the children" brigade hiding behind that line and using it to force their own version of morality on the rest of us.
I hate to advocate assassination, but some people really are too stupid to be allowed to live... Someone needs to chlorinate this idiots gene pool.
It's only paranoia if your wrong...
Here's your copy. It'll be $54.95.
Money orders and credit cards only please.
Jack Thompson couldn't sue his way out of a paper bag. Pretty much every lawsuit he's started has failed. Why continue to give this attention whore attention? It's EXACTLY what he wants. If everyone ignored Jack Thompson for a week he'd probably commit suicide.
I'd like to see this on a Take Two/Rockstar press release:
A warning for those of you lazy self absorbed and/or just plain inattentive parents: All the censorship in the world won't make up for bad parenting if your child is more influenced by our games than by Mommy & Daddy, both you and your offspring have much bigger problems than the gameplay. So before you go hauling us or any other studio into court, look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself if you did the best you could, because if you're considering taking us to court, you didn't.
Inspiration for above
I'll subscribe to Slashdot when I see a month without a dupe, a typo, or an article the "editors" didn't read.
Wouldn't this be using the threat of a lawsuit akin to blackmail??
Are there not laws to prevent this sort of..(wait for it?).. bullying ??
Maybe smiling Jack is trying to get a job with the RIAA??
I have mod points and I am not afraid to use them.
Jack Thomas, if you are sick of seeing violence in the video games, here's what you can do about it.
Go find a cliff or a bridge somewhere, then take you entire fucktarded family.
Once there have your entire fucktarded family jump off to their death.
After that jump to yours. You won't have to see violence any more and we won't have to put up with your constant bitching.
Don't put advice in your sig.
Bah, where did I ever claim that I wasn't preaching?
I can call Jack's soapbox stance irrational, ill concieved, idiotic and generally worthless from my own soapbox. It's not the soapbox I'm attacking after all, it's the moron who's climbed atop it (metaphorically speaking).
Erotic is when you use a feather. Exotic is when you use the whole chicken.
Lazy parents. That's the problem, not violent content in games. If parents would actually PARENT their kids instead of being all self absorbed and/or just wanting to 'be their friend'. The vast majority of parents are lazy, do not want to take responsibility for their children's actions, and pay little if no attention to raising them properly. As a parent of a teenager I can say it makes my job all the harder too.
Instead of going after media (games, movies, whatever), why not focus on the ONLY place where social problems can be adequately addressed...the HOME.
isnt this a form of attempted extortion?
don't most people when a retail game is out have to pay to review it?
There, fixed
Personally, I kind of want him to win, so I can demand free stuff from every company in the world, and threaten a law suit. That'd be sweet.
Seriously, this just shows that he think he is above the law, and everybody else is below it. He just can't accept the concept of fairness, if he thinks he has any right to demand that a corporation give him something for free. Especially given that he cites a school board resolution as if that were a major legal binding precident...
Some of my favorites in his crazy person rant:
21. Take-Two is fraudulently and deceptively marketing this game not only because it desperately needs the cash from the sale of this controversial game, whose release has been delayed for over a year in large part because of the efforts of the undersigned petitioner, but also because controversy still swirls about the Bully game, and Take-Two is Hell-bent to defuse it.
Because, you know... No video game in the history of the world ever shipped late, except because of his crusade. It can't possibly be related to needing more time to finish the game. Crazy people like him think they are winning great victories whenever anything happens.
29. Florida Congressman Jeff Stearns, who recently chaired hearings in the United States House of Representatives, discovered how thoroughly flawed the video game rating system is, as the ESRB is actually paid for and operated, in effect, by the video game industry itself. This is a classic case of the fox guarding the chickens. Congressman Stearns has now introduced to Congress a Bill called the "Truth in Video Game Ratings Act" largely because of the illicit collaboration between the ESRB and Take-Two.
Right... Thank god for the Federal Book and movie censors... Because, you know, the MPAA isn't funded by movies. And, why the hell is nobody even bothering to ask the industry to self regulate books? I can read a graphic description of horrible bestiality gang bang child rape and decapitation with a chain saw without having to show ID. But, 30 polygons try to do it doggy style, and it's the end of the world.
Really? I coulda swore he was communicating out of the other end... :-)
Erotic is when you use a feather. Exotic is when you use the whole chicken.
video game players are violent. You can get medieval on someone's ass playing the Telletubbies game if you try hard enough. What about all the times I crashed 747's into the World Trade Center in Microsoft FS2000? To be fair, I was trying to fly between them, but the frame rate on my Pentium ONE (with the floating point bug, thank you very much) was so crappy I often over-controlled and wiped out on one of them.
The converse is also true. I play World of Warcraft, an intensely PVP game but have never fought another player (mostly because they're all noobs and I'm too nice to pwn them severely). I could easily play an hour of GTA without killing a single NPC. It's not the point of the game, but I could do it if I wanted to.
Still, I'm thankful that the vast rightwing conspiracy is taking time off from the war on drugs, fighting against pr0n, opposing gay marriage, defending the rights of blastocycts, installing surveillance cameras, wire-tapping my home, and working feverishly to perfect SOME kind of mind-control device to protect me (a 47 year old man) from violent video games. Thanks, dudes!
...in an indie game I am working on?
It might be fun to shove a bazooka up his arse...you know...as practice for in case I ever actually meet up with him.
John Bruce Thompson is just Fredric Wertham all over again.
Just because you get modded "insightful" on Slashdot doesn't mean you actually are in real life.
So if I threaten to sue game companies I can get free prerelease copies of their games? Bring in the lawyers!!
Bah, where did I ever claim that I wasn't preaching?
The irony I was refering to is Jack getting up on his soapbox as a bully, bullying a game about fighting bullies.
And of course he uses the argument that standing up to bullies is the cause of violence. How convenient for him:
I'm sure it'll come out something like; "You can't countersue me; there are already too many silly lawsuits!"
KFG
Does he really expect us to believe that there is any possible way he could play the game and then say, "Actually, I was wrong... this game is just fine for our kids"? I'm under the impression that his crusade will pick on the tiniest detail, completely oblivious to bias and context.
Blessed are the 1337, for they shall pwn the earth.
This is all lies, Jack just wants to get a copy early because he knows it'll be so fun.
Yes, I am old.
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
Actually, that makes more sense, from Jack Thompson's (admittedly warped and twisted) point of view. He called the game a 'Columbine simulator', as I recall, and what was the motivation behind the Columbine shootings? Fighting back against bullies.
Jurisprudence Fetishist Gets Off On A Technicality --theonion.com
I mean, I wish I could get away with this. I'd totally sue Sony for a Playstation 3 for me and others to analyze the possibility for fun to be had while playing it. After all, that's the only way anyone could get one...
As a father of 5 children, I counsel my kids that it's usually their fault when they are the victims. They are responsible for themselves and their own well being, and they are the ones who suffer when they don't ensure this.
Yes, bad people do mean things, and you can't stop that. But you can do many things to ensure that the bad people don't do those mean things to you. Whether by locking your bike, (so it's not stolen) avoiding dangerous situations, or by demanding respect early in a relationship.
There's a kid who lives nearby (whom I'll call Ray) who is a classic victim. It seems like, no matter what, things just don't work out for this kid. It's sad, really. But recently, this he has been hanging out at our house, and we've been counseling the him to stand up for himself. He really had no idea how much of his bad situations he had personally been contributing to, and the result is that, even though we aren't his parents, he's really bonded with us.
When a child is victimized, if the authority does nothing to teach the victim how to handle the situation from a position of strength, it reinforces their position of weakness. They are given the message that they need to be coddled by the authorities against the bad bullies, and I think that's just wrong. This then prevents the situation from actually improving long term, and when it gets bad enough, the victim pops and mows down a schoolyard with an AK-47.
Bullies should be punished, and frequently, so should the victims.
When fights break out among our kids, we punish both parties equally. While the aggressor gets punished for "taking things to the next level", the victim is punished for allowing it to happen to him/her. They can develop means to encourage aggressors to leave them the !@## alone, and they do.
Forget "fair". Life isn't fair, and law is just a set of consequences that only take effect when you get caught. Teaching towards not being in the victim role helps people avoid the pain of being taken advantage of, and being hurt by the very authorities put there to protect them.
For the record, actual fights are very rare in our household. Our children are usually described by others as unusual in how close, polite, and considerate they are towards each other. Said children range from age 9 to age 17.
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
You guys don't get it do you? He is working with the console warez scene groups! Instead of the shady tactics used in the past (Wal-Mart employees taking pre-release, some guy at the media duplication plant, cheese fries) he is going to do the easy thing and sue them to get an early release build. He will then release it onto the Intarweb. My hats off to you Jack Thompson, you crazy magnificient bastard!
Seriously, I want to pound him into a bloody puddle.
Maybe I should sue him for inspiring me to commit an act of violence.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
I dunno. There seemed to be plenty of people on this post yesterday that pretty much said 'every problem can be solved with violence'. So I guess they were the ones who breed the kids that are the bully's. Either that, or they raise kids that go postal.
Jack Thompson is obviously a moron. They should flick him a copy of some assassin snuff underage beastiality sex game, and watch him catch fire.
Then say 'oops we sent you the wrong disk'...
This is along the path I'd like to teach my children, if and when I find a hawt geeky wife (:P apply via gmail address! :D), as it is similar to how I was raised by situations beyond my parents control. (I never had the chance to be a victim in the face of huge amounts of bullying due to parents and friends not being in a position to care through no fault of their own - though I found it worked very well for me in the long run - and I'd wanted to try a more controlled reproduction of it for my children.) So it's nice/great to hear that in your case it worked/worked well.
I ate your fish.
Ah, ok. I misunderstood your post - I thought you were reffering to my standing on a soapbox and denouncing JT's soapbox as ironic. My bad.
Erotic is when you use a feather. Exotic is when you use the whole chicken.
In Thompsons warped view of the world, games make children violent.
Not so sure his view is warped or even askewed in the slightest.
When I was in grade school, I was going to CAP (Civil Air Patrol). We flew flight simulators all day long. Come to find, every pilot has to pass simulator tests which are designed to assist the physical transition of sitting in a real cock-pit. Part of Navy SEAL training (among all the other simulation like trainings) involve them going through a controlled drowning, simulating what it feels like to actually drown, they are then revived as soon as they go under; this I believe is to eliminate a fear of the water, completely. FBI, CIA, KGB, Massad, Osama bin Laden... EVERYONE conducts simulation to condition their subjects for whatever task is at hand. Whether it's a SWAT team training to storm a building, or your local city cops training for a situation where a simple speeding ticket goes wrong. It's ALL simulation. And only a fool would suggest simulation is in pure vain.
There are many ways of simulating a scenerio to condition a person to be prepared for an actual hypothetical event. Cartoonish video game characters are no more comical and innocent than smiley faces drawn on water melons stuck on staffs for mounted calvary use to use to train for field combat. The blocky faces of the Unreal Tournament at least give a feel of depth and 3D, how can it be possible someone could take serious the traditional 2 dimensional spring loaded cardboard flap that pops up in many police simulations? And for those that might wish to draw the line of effective simulation for hostilities between mental capability and condition versus physical ability and condition... this is a very dangerous precedent. While physical ability is somewhat important, any person that has ever hunted large game, actually had shot another in combat will tell you flat out; 99% of the ability to perform your job in those situations to include pulling the trigger is all psychological. A computer simulation, can assist you in overcoming those psychological barriers... and it doesn't take much excercise at all to pull a hair trigger. You're done, and ready.
So don't try to make it out as if people aren't conditioned, affected, or change of sensitivity in the least by video games. Especially games today like Hitman, SOCOM and the like which actually try to encourage the player to think and discipline their actions as a real assassin or special ops soldier.
The military has used simulation for thousands of years... simulation of all the current technologies of their times. Given how much bloodshed has spilt throughout history... simulation and conditioning for battle is EXTREMELY effective. You can belittle this with calling it a "game" all you want though, noone has yet to stop you from that.
Which people would those be? The right-wing religious fringe? No, the truth is that very few people take this guy seriously and those that do are certified nut cases anyway. He represents zero threat.
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Man, that's so not going to happen. Bully's not coming out on GCN. :P
What I think he's missing in it's entirety is that games are no longer marketed twards children for the most part. GTA's main audience are all old enough to vote. But they're too busy playing fun "murder simulators" to get out and vote, so stuff like this still happens.
nah dude... He want it so he can make a nice large bucket full of Hot Coffee(tm) before the time of release :)
I hear this quite often - The parents are to blame for everything their child does because they are not home with the child and watching them 24 hours a day. However, it's impossible for kids to be "parented" 24/7. There are many people who have to work day AND night to buy food and clothes for their children. Please don't mistake this as support for Jack's crusade. I just think there are some really troubled people out there, where you can judge the parents, video games, society, etc. for the person's actions.
Some people die at 25 and aren't buried until 75. -Benjamin Franklin
Hey, is there a chance that Jack Thompson is secretly working for Rockstar?
Cuz, I was never planning on getting this game, but now that he hates it, I'm buying it on the first day its out.
Heck, maybe even 2 or 3 copies for my friends.
Let it go to court and file a countersuit for attorney's fees when he loses.
His "free" game would cost him hundreds or more. Rockstar doesn't make anything, but their attorneys' time is compensated and this idiot may not file another suit for a while.
vi? Who's that?
I thought it was illegal to use threats of a lawsuit. I don't remember where I read or heard it, but the jist was saying "you must do this or that or I will suit" was illegal. Any law professionals here?
Anonymous Cowards suck.
get moose and squrell!
or i might just have to write another song about you
http://www.attackslug.com/projks/heyjackv2.mp3
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A lot.
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Unlike today's kids that gets a lot of video games to play with, when he was young all he got to play with is himself...
It seems wholly ironic that Jack Thompson is yet again trying to censor free speech in the state of Florida. You'd think that after the controversy made 2 Live Crew go double platinum, he'd realize that banning media actually encourages sales. He overlooks the fact that if parents were actually parents, the children that shouldn't have violent media won't have violent media.
we may need to jump out of our cars and beat a carjacker terrorist to death with a tire iron... that's true in half the world today, games like GTA are just preparing kids for live outside white-bread america. We should all be doing our civic duty to be prepared at all times to beat down terrorists with whatever is at hand... terrorists even include women and babies now after all.
If every member of /. threw in a dollar we could hire a nice lawyer in the "great" state of Florida and get him disbarred for his extreme miss use of the court system. It would be sorta fun. Like getting all your friends at a party to help you throw out the stupid drunk bafoon that nobody likes for obvious reasons.
why or how he has indoctrinated himself as some sort of authority here. Attempting to force them to hand the game over "so that I and others" can review it. What is Jack gonna say? "it's bad"? Who are these others? This is mind numbing.
The only people Rockstar has to let see the game is the ESRB so that they can rate it. That's an industry standard practive, not a government regulated practice.
I can't wait for the day a gamer is able to step toe-to-toe with Jack publically AND profesionally (i.e. not like Adam Sessler did last week)
I eat crayons
Games, as a whole, don't make people violent. Violent video games might make people violent (or just serve as a release for their violent tendencies) but that's why the very violent games are rated M (not for children) and parents are expected to determine whether or not a game is appropriate for children. Adults should be able to determine on their own whether or not it's appropriate for themselves. The biggest problem with this current move by Jack Thompson is that he wants to determine whether or not a game is appropriate for everyone else. That's just off-the-wall unacceptable, no matter how you look at it.
"What is Internet Explorer 7? Are you saying we can't access the normal internet?" - I love tech support. Really.
A not so clever ploy for a free game methinks
Please tell me that you don't use the word "methinks" in everyday conversation. Do you wear a plumed hat and walk around in chain mail as well?
Ye art a dork.
I'm a big tall mofo.
Wait, you mean he's the bastard who has been keeping Duke Nukem from me for the last decade plus?
String him up boys!
Just make sure he signs a SCO style non-disclosure agreement first.
>I dunno. There seemed to be plenty of people on this post yesterday [slashdot.org] that pretty much said 'every problem can be solved with violence'. So I guess they were the ones who breed the kids that are the bully's. Either that, or they raise kids that go postal. Wow, "some violence can solve some problems" == "violence can solve all problems"? Sounds a little like some JT logic slipping in there =-)
dude. you forgot to check AC....
Jack desperately wants to be this centuries Frederic Wertham, and doesnt seem to have any limits to how far he will stoop to get that recognition. The ESRB works if you let it, the problem is that many parents arent responsible enough to let it work. My local target has a good idea, they card everyone no matter how old you are. At first it seems like a bit of a hassle but if it makes a parent think for a second about what they are buying its a good thing. Too often parents have no idea what a game is about and just buy them because their kids wants it.
Plastered with boilerplate warnings about unstable software, etc.
And several (an infinite loop?) click-thru agreements to hold RockStar harmless for what you are about to see...
And just hope :-) there are no pc destroying bugs present, and certainly no goatse man pop-ups!
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
He had a temporary license to practise law in Alabama. Judge James Moore revoked his temporary license and referred his actions to the Alabama Bar for "appropriate action". Since he is a member of the Florida Bar, he is still in good standing though he may have trouble practising law in Alabama again.
My bad.
S'ok. My favorite tool of humor is ambiguity and my second favorite is sarcasm delivered stright.
In this case I realized I was perhaps being obscure by not filling in all the blanks, but didn't realize I could be missinterpreted in quite that way.
KFG
Jack Thomson is a nobody - what right does he have to demand a copy of this game? send him a pirated copy (as requested: a COPY) and sue him for posessing it - HAHA...
just ignore this nobody that jerks off when he sees himself in the media - that's the best way to silence him!
The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
There is a fundamental difference between training simulations, games, and the real world.
Training simulation try to keep as close to the original deal as possible in content and control. You will have cockpits set up to resemble or sometimes explicitly copy the cockpit of the actually vehicle, all the controls will be in the same place, the controls will have force feedback to simulate the true to life vehicles resistance, many time the simulation will even have hydraulics to simulate the vehicles roll pitch and yaw. This is all there so when you get in the actual vehicle there is little change.
There are some parallels to this in video games. Games can teach you how to sneak up to someone, the correct maneuvers to use in certain situations; it may help in some skill sets. However not nearly to the level of simulators. Games are not designed to teach how to shoot a gun or drive a vehicle; they are set up to be entertainment. The vast majority of the things you would learn in a simulation, you will not learn from a video game because they are not represented in the content of a video game. For example, go ahead and ask a counter strike player if they know where the safety latch is on a Maverick M4A1 Carbine, if they know it sure as hell isn't from playing counterstrike.
Simulations and game can make something feel familiar. However gaining skills in maneuvers and controls is not what this is about. The reason that videogames are under fire is because people believe that it will make children violent, it changes into killers. This just isn't true, and if you ask anyone who trains people on these simulation trainers they will say the same thing.
Video game and even military simulation can not teach killing intent, it can not remove moral and ethical values from the user and it can not make the user feel more inclined to use violence. They might make it easier to know where the trigger is, but they do not make it easier to pull the trigger
McDonalds style.
Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
The purpose of that site was not known.
jmorris42 (1458)said: and ShaneThePain (929627)
ah fuck. 'There' vs 'their'.... etc, etc, etc, sry.
The kids who did Columbine obviously time-travelled to the future, played this game, and then went back in time to copy it. Obviously.
I grew up being the victim of bullies .. teachers, principals, guidance counsellors and psyciatrists all told me to ..
.. not video games (I do play violent games .. depending on how violent you consider Oblivion and most RPGs are, but they are in no way responcible for why I am and hopefully was violent)... that violence was one way to solve a problem and im still trying to get it out of my system. I know I shouldnt resort to it to fix a problem but 90% of the time its the only solution when everyone that tells you to ask for help doesnt help when you ask for it.
1) count to 10 - dont lose your cool
Always ended up in 10 more seconds of teasing and bullying
2) Walk away
Last I checked, bullys have legs too
3) Ignore them
Bullys find that to be more of a reason to tease/bully
4) Ask an adult/teacher for help
When I ask for help Im always told that hes not doing anything wrong and that I should be able to do the above 3 things to get rid of them
So unfortunately I ended up having to defend myself any way I could and the most effective being me beating the living snot out of them.
Of course this solution always ended the same way at school. The bully would get a slap on the wrist and be sent back to class ( if not bloodied up ) or sent home to be cleaned up and recover a little, and me being suspended/expelled from school because nothing the adults taught me worked.
I learned at a young age from adults
If it takes effort to do, let someone else do it.
True. I spent so many years playing PacMan, that I have absolutly no problem running around in a darkened room, listening to highly repetitive music and chomping down pills.
You sound like the sort who would also claim something like paintball is some sort of death squad training sim.
A game is a game. You -know- it's a game when you're playing it. There's no personal sense of risk, of danger, of imminent death. Desensitizing someone to the point of being able to point a weapon at another human being and knowingly and deliberately killing them takes a lot more than playing UT and fragging your friends, or even lighting up those same friends on the paintball field.
There are exceptions to every rule or condition, of course. There are those who might be desensitized by such things. The problem lays with them, not the game they're playing.
Don't just stand there, get that other dog!
Perhaps foolishly feeling that I'm in sync with what you're after here, I'll try and add a few of my own thoughts- hope you agree.
The MA or Adult label should indeed be enforced, but, as you pointed out, by parents.
Kids who are exposed to such games, may indeed be influenced, but we really don't have a way to prove it. Until we do (maybe never?) there will be arguments back and forth either way and people like 'JT' will argue that the government should legislate it. Since the government is generally run by people who are too old to understand technology they weren't raised with (the telegraph is about as good as it gets apparently), they'll be forced by pressure to come up with a vaguely worded law that makes typing on a qwerty keyboard illegal though some whacky interpretation of the wording, which before getting passed, will have a dozen other tag-ons that give the bill some other agenda and further broaden the scope of the bill. At the end of the day, something that should be taken care of by parents becomes law and sometime, somewhere, some kid will end up serving a life sentence because he bought a Take Two interactive game and sold it to a 17 year old.
Ok, exaggerated yes, but there's a lot of truth in there between the words.
Anyway, adults who buy violent games probably mostly do so for release and/or fun- since most of us know the difference between reality and fiction. But there are a few who don't have that distinction for whatever reason, and whether they read true crime books (Bone Collector anyone?) or play Quake 4, they're going to be violent and they're going to buy the game for the violence and perhaps even look for new ideas from such sources. Should those people be prevented from buying games (or books?), maybe, maybe not, but should every other person in America be limited in order to prevent it- certainly not. Hopefully we catch these people at their first crimes, before they escalate, and deal with it if they do. If we spent half as much time trying to legislate things that just should not be law and spent the money on education instead of court fees, we could be making real progress.
Alas, I will be flamed, and I accept and find interest in opposing views (sometimes learn something even).. but before you flame off how blatantly wrong you perceive me (or anyone to be), consider the remote(?) possibility that you are wrong, or we're both wrong. With that in mind, I think slashdot could have much more fulfilling discussion rather than decapitating comments that nobody listens to because they're just too extreme and obviously the writer is opposed to any further discussion (their way or the highway). Maybe you played too many video games as a child?
ha! that one's just as big a lie as "just be yourself."
I am going to demand a copy for review, just incase it is inappropriate for my kids. :-)
Seriously though Jack! Buy your own damn copy D@#khead!!!
The guy is flat-out a complete, fucking moron. I thihk that about covers it.
In Thompsons warped view of the world, games make children violent. [...] It's a Rockstar game (which he hates), and it's violent [...]
Please, stop using the language of those who would like to ban speech they do not agree with. Yes, people can be violent. But games, movies, books, pamphlets, et cetera... cannot be violent. These are just storage media which contains symbols. You buy into J.T. (is he even an attorney in Florida anymore -- I thought they disbarred him)'s warped view of the world and give him his argument for free when you agree by your use of language that text written on a screen or other symbolic representations of reality can be violent. They cannot.
But seriously, does this lawyer-turned-psycho have anything better to do? How about representing families who are in need of real help, not this idiotic waste that just pisses people off... what does he think he can prove? What will he do if Take Two doesn't respond to his extortion? How about a letter from Take-Two with a few choice explatives?
Getting in a boxing match with Jack Thompson and the referee forgetting to list all the rules makes me violent. See this URL for the result:
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http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=2006
Are we REALLY sure this nut isn't part of the marketing arm of Take-Two? I mean come on, what better way to promote your videogame "Bully" than to launch a right-wing nut who uses "Bully Tactics" to try to get himself a free copy of your game.
It's a more logical explaination than thinking he takes himself seriously...
I almost agree with ignoring him... but it's litigious asses like him that destroy fun. They won't stop until all video games are as fun as a night at Morman bible study. I don't think I'm exaggerating.
It's not just games. Lawyers have completely destroyed the fun of playgrounds. As a parent, that pisses me off. You definitely can't have anything that spins because someone might fall off or get dizzy. Nothing too tall. Big slides & swings? Not a chance. It's even hard to find sand in a playground anymore, because a kid might throw some in another kid's eye.
Getting hurt when you do stupid things is an important life lesson that lawyers are ruining. Elementary schools have banned nearly every competative sport. No baseball, football, handball, volleyball, tennis, running or tag! No after school programs. No skateboards, rollerskates, or scooters. And definitely nothing that might offend anyone for any reason at all. Maybe Columbine would be less likely to happen if people like Mr. Jack didn't make life suck so badly for the kids he wants to "protect."
Mortal Kombat didn't cause America's youth to murder their parents any more than heavy metal music did during the 80's. Despite all of the concerns about young people holding hands, dancing, watching violent films, listening to gangsta rap, and such... violent crime is down. Youth crime is down. Why can guys like this spout off to politicians when their "concerns" have absolutely no rational basis? I'm not for book burning and I'm definitely against censorship for no good reason.
If Thompson is allowed to continue his bogus mislead fight, games will suck bigtime... like playgrounds, school recess, and everything else about childhood that guys like him want to destroy. He wants to make sure that every kid is having a fun time the Jack Thompson way, and that scares the hell out of me.
Yes, yes, people use games to train, very good. But they don't use just games, games are merely a part of the training. How's your simulator pilot doing at 7G plus in a dogfight? How's your socom player doing when he's in the field hiding behind a crate with everyone standing around and laughing at him because he's "hidden"? How's your quake player doing with that shotgun, sure has a nice kick to it, no? Let's not go into things like actual aiming or anything like that, guns don't come with +mouselook in the real world.
I think he is so full of shit his little brain has shut down.
I can read a graphic description of horrible bestiality gang bang child rape and decapitation with a chain saw without having to show ID.
This post useless without ISBN.
OK, seriously, why in the hell would they provide him with a copy of the game to analyze for copy cat problems? Last time I checked he's not even remotely close to anything even approaching an expert on that.
Second, he's not a court, and there is no lawsuit for him to even request such a thing, much less demand it.
Why in gods name is this man not disbarred in every state and not facing jail time for extortion or what not?
... how thoroughly flawed the video game rating system is, as the ESRB is actually paid for and operated, in effect, by the video game industry itself. This is a classic case of the fox guarding the chickens. Congressman Stearns has now introduced to Congress a Bill called the "Truth in Video Game Ratings Act" largely because of the illicit collaboration between the ESRB and Take-Two.
I guess Jack had better go after the Better Business Bureau next. After all, they're funded by the businesses who make up its membership. I think we need a "Truth in Business Ratings Act" to help counter this illicit collaboration between the BBB and its members.
Want to improve your Karma? Instead of "Post Anonymously", try the "Post Humously" option.
Anyone know how to lodge a multi-million dollar lawsuit against Jack for delaying and damaging my activities by filing idiotic lawsuits designed to promote his point of view?
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
...Jack Thompson, please, fuck off and die.
I wouldnt be surprised that rockstar bought him/ suggested to him that he do this... you cant BUY this sort of advertising... now everyone here wants a copy of that Bully game :D
that said... hes a dickhead.... but hey... its nice to know that even morons can be allowed to speak
also... i like the idea of a mod where you can just beat up JT... will there be a Dubya version also? (heck... you could make one with all the members of parliment)
Wait... so he's gonna sue because RoskStar didn't give him a prerelease of the game?
Crackhead... as always.
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Games can teach you how to sneak up to someone,
Heh, try it sometime. It's not like you think.
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
Yes, I too used to think that my obsessive-compulsive urge to hook small creatures up to an air compressor, turn it on and blow them to pieces represented some deep seated flaw in the way my parents raised me. Now I realize I am a helpless victim of Dig Dug.
Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.
Edward Everett (1794 - 1865)
Simulation and training are tools.
Just like anything else, if you give dangerous tools to the mentally unstable, tragedy will ensue.
I vote for outlawing guns, knives, violent videogames, pencils, liquid soap, cooking oil, small churches, and Dihydrogen Monoxide, as all these things can and have been used to kill.
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It is my opinion that you are nothing more than a grandstanding egotist, with delusions of grandeur trying to draw attention to yourself, in an attempt to compensate for a childhood filled with loneliness.
Here's the problem.
There are people who see or read something and decide "Hey, I'd like to try that." Those people are choosing to do something, not being forced to do it and they aren't really copy-cats. They are only people who do not know the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, nor have they been raised to have a sense of responsibility. If caught, they just say - "Uh, I played a video game, and it made me do it".... BULLSHIT.
If you do something, you and ONLY you are responsible for that action.
Why is that? I believe it is because of people such as yourself, who preach on about how "No one is responsible for their own actions" - they must have seen it in a video game, or a movie, or read about it in a book. You give them an out. If nothing else, all you are doing is making the problem worse. You're giving them their excuse to use before the judge. "Your honor, Jack Thompson clearly states that I only acted this way because of a video game!" You're making the problem worse, not better.
Let me tell you something else... There are a hell of a lot worse things to emulate on television. It's called the NEWS - maybe you should sit down and watch it some time. You know - the parts about people being blown to bits by terrorists or the military fighting the terrorists. Or the random acts of nature killing thousands of people.
Let's face it, what someone chooses to do is not the result of reading a book, or watching a movie, or playing a video game. None of these things *MAKE* anyone do anything. The people who do these things have not had a proper upbringing, where they are instilled with a sense of responsibility, and a clear deliniation between right and wrong, good and evil.
Schools are not responsible for this instruction.
Governments are not responsible for this instruction.
Parents are ultimately responsible for this instruction.
Jack - please, just - go away somewhere, and leave the raising of our kids to us. I don't care about your opinion. I don't believe anything you say. You have to respect someone for anything they say to have an affect on you. Trust me, you haven't earned anyone's respect by, in my opinion, acting like a blithering, idiotic, blow-hard.
** This used to be worded a lot harsher - however, I figured no one would take it seriously if I filled it with nothing but knee-jerk commentary.
Who is general failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
Hey... I am speaker of the Concerned Azukan Technocrats of the East, and I would like a verison to... inspect myself. I would also like free accounts to porn all sites; to make sure there is no child porn.
Great Intellect...
in resp to Shane:
War always solves the problem, but crops up a whole new set of 'em.
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He's like a lone warrior in the battle against video game violence. Why does it seem like he's the only person out there working to censor our video games?
5) Laugh at them
Almost always caught them off guard. For some reason, if you're not taking the bully seriously, their balls shrink to the size of rasins.
'Course, this never works when you're being attacked by a fucker and his cronies. The only way to deal with that group is to jam the angry end of a pencil into the thigh of the loudest fucker there. Sure, you get suspended, maybe even a psych eval, but you get the rep for being 'crazy', and you can always make up your grades.
That one got me through high school. Didn't have a pencil in middle school, but there was a bottle laying on the ground next to the group, so I just grabbed it, broke it and swung it like a retard. That got me in less trouble, oddly enough, and still got me the nutjob rep.
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From Jack's book, Out of Harm's Way, page 124: "From August 1992 until John [his son] went off to school, my job was to be his stay-at-home father." "We decided I would be the one to stay at home. It made sense. Patricia [his wife] had a great job, and my professional life, jumbled by a radio war [against Stern] and other efforts stemming from that endeavor, was less structured, to say the least."
So while I think that Jack did a wonderful thing in staying home to take care of his son, the fact is he hasn't had to have a job outside of the home in a long time. Now that his son is older, Jack must have a LOT of spare time on his hands.
Free time + moral indignation + law degree = lots of lawsuits
Is there a place where you can look up the cases a lawyer has tried in court? I am curious if Jack has actually won any of the countless lawsuits he has been involved in.
http://www.popularculturegaming.com -- my blog about the culture of videogame players
I know what Rockstar should do. Hired a purple-haired anime woman from the future to shoot Jack Thompson three times in the face.
Now all we need is a big warehouse full of empty boxes to lure him into our clever trap. MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
can we ban the movies 'Newsies' and 'A Christmas Story' too? Both are also totally annoying and preach violence as a solution to kids' problems too.
I'm a postal worker and the post office told me there was no such thing as going postal...
Oh c'mon! Why hasn't this been added to the tags yet?!?
In this case I think they should be called "Beater" versions.
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*runs*
... by having the mentality that "you can get whatever you want by puffing your chest, threatening people (he threatened to sic the police on Penny Arcade after a spat about a charity donation), and abusing the legal system, you can get whatever you want." Which is probably a worse example for kids than the Bully game would be, since Jack (as far as I can tell) is a real live person.
Good job.
I produce electronic music and write little games. Have a look.
It smells like coercion. I wonder what the legal ramifications are for threatening to sue a business entity for failing to turn over an intellectual property. Who's to say he isn't an intermediary for another software house working on a similar title? Can you imagine the precedent it would set to allow bullying tactics to invade private development? What's more, can the company that is forced to capitulate seek damages based on the loss of projected revenue due to slanderous allegations, negative protrayal and the perception of compromised integrity?
No video game in the history of the world ever shipped late, except because of his crusade. It can't possibly be related to needing more time to finish the game.
No, no - let him claim to have caused excessive delays! If Take-Two decides to sue him for lost income due to his interference, I'm sure those statements are going to be rather helpful.
Florida Congressman Jeff Stearns, who recently chaired hearings in the United States House of Representatives, discovered how thoroughly flawed the video game rating system is, as the ESRB is actually paid for and operated, in effect, by the video game industry itself.
Gee, I hope no one tells Cliff Stearns about the MPAA movie rating system. Then again, the video game industry doesn't have nearly the presence in Washington's wallets as the MPAA members do, and Stearns' big contributors are the telecoms anyway, so it's probably not big on his radar at the moment. In any event, it doesn't help Thompson's case that he can't even get the Congressman's name right.
I wish this asshole Thompson would pull his lower lip over his head and swallow.
Please stand clear of the doors, por favor mantenganse alejado de las puertas
I wish you could actually make a barratry charge stick...
I think he just wants a free copy. I mean, who wouldn't?
Yeah, seriously, what an ass. Bastard should get it off Bittorrent like the rest of us.
While physical ability is somewhat important, any person that has ever hunted large game, actually had shot another in combat will tell you flat out; 99% of the ability to perform your job in those situations to include pulling the trigger is all psychological.
So I guess all those other mostly physical responses like loss of fine motor skills, tunnel vision, hyperventilation, etc. don't factor into that at all? Ask someone that's ever been in a real fighting situation how easy it is to clear a weapon malfunction without already having done it at least a few hundred times - this is something that's a no-brainer when you're in a non-threatening situation, but something you pretty much have to rely on muscle memory to do properly when under stress because you can't think properly or make your hands do what they're supposed to when you've got that much adrenalin in your system. Being able to use your body in that condition requires repetitive physical training, and nothing else is a substitute.
There's simply no comparison between a video game and the training that one needs to be able to consistently deal with violent encounters.
Please stand clear of the doors, por favor mantenganse alejado de las puertas
"God made me do it."
I thought he was talking about the bible untill I saw the chainsaw bit... perhaps the talkmud.
It'll be like school. This way he can actually learn to be good lawyer....
On second thought, never mind. He's fine just where he is.
Ignore him and he'll go away.
No kidding. I scared the hell out of my aunt in broad daylight, in the middle of an open field, and completely by accident. I suppose someone edited my ini file and pushed F2 to activate my invisibility mode again. Splinter Cell is *never* that easy.
How are sites slashdotted when nobody reads TFAs?
no, he just recently took over delaying the release of dnf, before him came his father, and his father before that...
A mouse is a device used to point to the xterm you want to type in
Give him a copy that's modified to only have happy bunnies and cows grazing on a green meadow. Attach a note that objective reviewers buy the tested goods themselves instead of demanding freebies from the company that makes them.
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
Yep, that's how you do it. Misdirection and looking innocuous beat the hell out of sneaking around every time.
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
I don't think so, noone voted Jack Thompson into office. Of course some of the people that support him (or at least that he believes support him) were elected but their stance on the issue might not have been known beforehand. Also they are few which does suggest that here aren't too many voters supporting JT's position. I really don't think voter apathy caused this one.
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
Game bully wants copy of Bully game.
The Boy Scouts of America have never allowed scout troops to organize paintball games for precisely that reason. No one can deny that paintball is a game based on a military theme.
dear god please shoot this guy. we knoe rockstar makes eveil and twisted games that why there so famus thats why i buy them. give me gta 4 with a adult only rating anyday. there games are not ment for kids and everyone knoes that. if the parents buy such games for there kids its there own dammed fault not rockstars. stop spouting old news bother someone else.
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Dear Jack, Go fuck yourself. Wait in line like everyone else. Sincerely Take Two
BTW, can I sue Jack Thompson for trying to stomp on my constitutional rights? Oh, wait, I'm not american, I don't have those...
Yeah, free Ipod! He is innocent!
If a game is rated "R" for example, then who gives a shit whether or not it's bad for kids. It's not FOR kids. People complaining that 18+ content is bad for kids need to put down the crack pipe and perhaps take an interest in their child's upbringing and sort that shit out.
Even M or MA (15+ or "mature audience") rated games should be enough to take care of the issue. Why? Because it's up to the PARENTS to supervise their kids, and it's up to the PARENTS to judge what is appropriate.
NOT jack thompson.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
From Jinx.com:
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I was bullied too in elementary/middle school for being large. The only thing that ever worked was beating the fuck out of the bullies, though I was fairly successful in doing it steathily. I was never once caught for laying a beating on one of them, I generally did it when no one else was around, they generally didn't try and tell anyone I guess because they got what was coming to them.
What I don't understand is why those skinny little kids always try to pick on the big quiet kid. A buddy of mine was teaching english in China, and he was saying one of his students was like 5'10 and about 180lbs where all the other students were like 4'4 and half his weight. They'd always pick on this kid for being "fat" and my buddy couldn't figure out why this kid wouldn't just tear them in half and shit in the stumps. He even told the kid that he'd give him 10 minutes before "noticing" what was happening, but I guess the kid was too shy/gentle to take him up on the offer.
disclaimer: I've been known to store numbers in my ass for which to dig out when quantities are required.
Yes, and we all know how the boy scouts are against resemblence to the military, what with the uniforms, marching, badges, antihomosexuality... oh wait. Also, a friend of mine's boy scout troop did a target shooting trip, using actual .22 rifles, and thats less risky than paintball?
Stare at the cover real hard for a few hours and hope it somehow plays because he doesn't have a clue how to hook up a ps2. let alone play it.
You mad
I owned the company
Dear Jack,
Fuck You. Pay for it.
Signed,
Me.
Ok, I think I stand for all of us when I say, "You sir, are a nutjob."
"Whether it's a SWAT team training to storm a building, or your local city cops training for a situation where a simple speeding ticket goes wrong. It's ALL simulation. And only a fool would suggest simulation is in pure vain."
Not to use SWAT as an example: Has their training simulations caused them to assault random buildings around the country? NO. The assault simulations did not make them more "assaulty". Broken into any cockpits lately? Didn't think so.
So you post, allthough long and well written, simply answers the wrong question.
FRA: STFU GTFO
A copy of Bully: $40
Lawyers to sue to get a copy of Bully: $300,000
Using bully tactics to get Bully: PRICELESS!Because, as Douglas Adams put it rightly (a must read, absolutely), Books hapenned to be already very common arround when all those people were born. Therefor they consider them as normal. They did themselves read such books and see no harm in other peope doing so.
On the other hand, the 30 polygons used to be, for a very long time (in the life time of those speaking against video games), something reseved to scientists doing complex and dead slow simulations on horribly expensive hardware. The people currently shouting against polygons only encountered them late in their life, and therefor were highly suspictious about them. They insctinctivly start considering them as against the natural order of things and the beginning of the end of civilisation as we know.
In ten years, after this things turned gradually out to be alright really, those people will be up against the "Next Horrible Stuff That Instills Pervesity Inside Our Innocent Children(tm)".
The same has hapenned with music (Marylin Manson caused Bowling for Columbine ! Beattles pervets the youngs ! Communist must protect themselves from the depraved occidental music ! Jazz is the devil's work !
The same happenned with a lot of other form of creations.
There are even debate, dating from classical Greece, arguing that there is too much violence, rape and adultery in the theatre (sorry, lost the references).
Yes. The Theatre, that place were parent will be happy to see they children go to, instead of playing video games the whole day, was once touted to pervet the moral of the young.
So as long as new forms media are introduced, they are doomed to be critiqued by the older part of the population and be accused for "All Bad Things That Happen (tm)"
The sad part is, most of us slashdotter, that stand up against such absurdities in the video game world, will probably the first to shout at their children that they spend too much time in the Holodeck.
(That is, those
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Thanks for that brand new tool to use in my arguments! Sure it's intellectually bankrupt, but that hardly matters when you want to say something stupid to rile people.
For instance:
Books cannot carry ideas, they are merely processed dead trees with embedded ink marks in a prescribed sequence.
I like it! Thanks again.
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I think he was referring to the phrase Bully Pulpit, which is what Jack's trying to mount with this stunt.
"In agreement with the pending lawsuit, we have sent you a copy of our latest game, Bully, for your perusement."
And inside the package is a copy of Ping Pong. With the word "Bully" taped over the front.
Libertarians somehow believe that private businesses should be stronger than governments but weaker than individuals.
Paintball involves shooting at people. .22's are shot at targets. Any and all events where a gun like object is pointed at a humanoid target is prohibited in the Boy Scouts.
Oh, and on the uniforms, marching and badges? Girls Scouts do the same thing. As do several other groups.
Fly me to the moon Let me sing among those stars Let me see what spring is like On jupiter and mars
Wow, that explains why I suck at driving... there are no arrow keys for me to press!
And thanks to GTA, I never tire or need sleep. Also, I can keep a rocket launcher in my back pocket. And everyone drives with thier doors unlocked. And when I throw them out of the car, they'll look confused, then walk off.
I've playd violent video games growing up (and still do), yet I've never attempted anything I've done in the games.
You're an idiot, please shut up.
So is Risk; do the scouts ban that game too?
This post useless without ISBN.
Try 080213422X (The Painted Bird). I'm pretty sure it has everything mentioned and more, except for chain saw decapitation. All from the point of view of a little boy. It was on the reading list for my 12th grade English class....
The idea has occurred to me a few times, and it occurs to me again. What if all the vitriol JT spews is really just a clever marketing ploy? It's brilliant! How better to create a bad boy image and a loyal fanbase than to have some loathsome starched collar attack your game (and videogames in general, but that's just for believability.)
In Thompsons warped view of the world, games make children violent.
Just because a point of view is (arguably?) wrong, doesn't mean it's warped. I don't think that video games make kids violent, but I can see the logic of the argument.
It's official. Most of you are morons.
There's a big difference between "kick the shit out of the bully" and "don't be a victim". One is an aggressive act, another is a demand for respect. They do not equate.
It is entirely obvious to me now that you nor your children have ever faced serious bullying in your lives. A "demand for respect" is not a defense against any form of serious bullying.
You should get off your high horse, you ignorant man.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
I have heard this argument before when I was a kid. A friend of my mothers said the same thing about me going paintballing and playing laser tag games every weekend.
I might be inclined to believe there is some truth to it if I had grown up into a gun toting psychopath but as it is am a boring pacifist who finds all violence abhorent and campaigns against a war in any forum they possibly can (see previous slashdot rants)
With hindsight I think that by the time I reached me early teens I had learned to differentiate between fantasy and reality and so I knew that the repurcussions of me shooting my friends with a laser tag pistol or paintball gun were very different from any repurcussions I might have faced if I had shot them with a loaded firearm.
Interestingly though the American military obviously agrees with some of the points made in the parent post as they currently publish my favourite video game (Americas Army) for training purposes. I like it for its realism but I think that eventually the US army will realise it is not actually helping recruitment as most of the people who play are neither US citizens, nor are they prime candidates for military service.
PS - Anyone who likes first person shooters and hasnt played it can find a link to the AA site below. Check it out.
http://www.americasarmy.com/
I dont read
Yeah, GTA's a hilarious training example. If only criminals acted like that! We'd have them all off the street in a few hours!
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Books can carry ideas, dumbass. Ideas are perfectly expressable in almost communcation media.
They still can't be violent, though. They can represent violence, but they cannot be it, because their are no actual physical actions associated with them.
Oh, and those people walking around in your TV? Yeah, they're not really there. They're just representations of people displayed on the screen.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Kind of like every other monitoring agency that is paid for by the companies it is supposed to control..FAA. FDA. etc
and those are government agencies.
The phrase "more better" is acceptable English. suck it grammar Nazis
(Radio 4 FTW)
For me the only thing that worked was a bass guitar to the face. I had been picked on by the same person for several years, he never got in any trouble in fact I was usually the one sent to the principals office. My principal gave me a speech about how david (the bully) was going to successful because he was confident and assertive while I wasnt going to amount to anything since I was timid, undersized and geeky and that I had better learn to stick up for myself. A few days later David was at his usual crap and was kicking me as I was walking to band, so I turned around and without notice took a full swing with my bass guitar and smacked him across the face with it. He ended up with stitches and a nasty scar, I ended up with a weeks suspension (for doing what they told me to do) but in the end David never so much as looked in my direction again.
Internet trolls have nothing on this guy. If you really want to fuck with people, start filing crapfloods of bogus lawsuits. You could probably even use old JT's filing as a template (trolls love templates.)
Also interesting in regards to the topic, i pulled this choice quote from the website for the game. This is the army's stance on the subject
"Three eyes are better than one" -- Lieutenant Columbo
Different time, probably different place. I was in 7th grade in 1964. There was a bully in gym class, who was a good two inches taller than me and probably weighed twice as much. Not wanting trouble with the teachers, I took it- for a couple of months.
One day he went too far and slapped me, and I snapped. His nose was bleeding before he knew what had hit him three times, he grabbed his face, whirled around, and I jumped on his back, pummeling him. He went down screaming and crying like a little girl while I kept pounding on the back of his head.
There were a lot of kids who saw it. A teacher finally came in and pulled me off of him.
I got a swat (an easy swat) for my troubles, he got 18 swats and I imagine his butt was pretty red.
He never bothered me again- in fact, he avoided me. Nobody else bothered me again, either.
Respect is earned, and I earned everyone's respect that day. I thank my dad.
Hehe. Nah. If you've got access to a grading system, you'd better give yourself A's, B's and the occasional C. Getting caught doing this sort of thing can put you in more trouble than an occasional bad grade can.
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No, they don't organize it because of insurance. The BSA has no problems with the military or guns.
I wear the ring.
Thompson had grown so asinine, he wanted to retire. He took me to his office and he told me his secret. 'I am not the Dread Jack Thompson' he said. 'My name is Ryan; I inherited the annoying lawyer habit from the previous Dread Jack Thompson, just as you will inherit it from me. The man I inherited it from is not the real Dread Jack Thompson either. His name was Cummerbund. The real Thompson has been retired 15 years and living like a king in Patagonia.
Let me also add, to my own post:
Robert Baden-Powell founded the Boy Scouts as an organization in 1908, a few months after the first scout encampment at Brownsea Island Scout Camp in 1907.[1] Baden-Powell got the idea from his experiences with the British Army in South Africa.
Emphasis mine.
(Link)
I think it is safe to say they're not free from military influence.
I wear the ring.
Look at the Scoutmaster's handbook. It specifically forbids organizing militaristic games for the troop.
Wait until Rockstar releases "The Aristocrats" next year.
That's as may be.
I mean, I DO like my mad science.
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I like your style; the electric bass is a hell of a solid object, and as anyone who's seen FLCL can tell you, an extremely effective bat.
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What makes me feel like being violent is dealing with fundamentalist fascistic self-appointed *"morality" crusaders who try to reduce every artistic, creative or unusual work of art or media that they don't understand to their very low level of artistic literacy (IE lowest common denominator) and who attempt to control what others can see, do, or experience.
One of the things which help me deal with the violent impules which these hypocritic ass-clowns arouse in me is a little bit of time playing some violent video games, or possibly enjoying some other form of entertainment which Mr Thompson would no doubt publically try to gain political momentum by denouncing.
Any respectable artist or organization should not be the least bit intimidated by this sort of politicized "campaign for censorship."
* (Morality: Morality to these people has nothing to do with true morality, as far as morality meaning "Virtuous" or "conformity to ideals of right human conduct." for these people "Morality" means that you act and behave exactly like they do, which in many cases has nothing at all to with right and ideal conduct and everything to do with dogma, their backward ass "religion" and guilt driven behavior control.
I dunno, I can't read a word of all this legalese. But it sure sounds official; I bet judges will eat it up.
Warning: Apple/Nintendo fangirl. Likes her electronics cute & cuddly. May be rabid.
And they have until 5:00 on TUESDAY to supply ME with a copy, just so I can play it.
...
Who the hell demands free software? besides the FSF
"Champagne for my real friends - and real pain for my sham friends!" http://ericblade.postalboard.com/
I have tried to resist, but I can no longer take it. Jack Thompson is making me into a monster. I just want to bash his head in with a bat.
I want money and violent video games(hmmm..kinda like Jack)
The money will be used for drugs to calm my inner monster, the games are so I can get out my aggressions instead of tracking down Jack Thompson with my trusty bat...
Is a dumbfuck. Somebody should rate this +5 informative.
You associate Jack Thompson with The Princess Bride??!?!?
Boo!!!!
Boo!!!!
Funny, but dihydrogen Monoxide is not H2O.
Yes, but now this "David" character can pull giant robots from his head. Doesn't really sound like an effective punishment to me.
psmylie's dictionary: Godzillion (noun) Any number large enough to destroy Tokyo
What's really funny is that these sorts of games exist, made by people other than Take Two / Rockstar.
He's going after TT/RS because they have money. Which is amusing because it also means they have the cash to win the case and demand lawyer fee compensation from Jack.
Hey, Jack. Welcome to the poor neighborhoods. Hope you enjoy the crackheads that are going to rob your house almost monthly.
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Um. DHMO is a very dangerous chemical; go to DHMO.org to find out (read: are you saying that dihydrogen monoxide is some other compound? As far as I know, 2 hydrogens and one oxygen form a molecule in exactly one way..)
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Even after the lawsuit was decided, the guy continued to be a prick to my brother-in-law (I haven't even described half the crap that happenned, let's just say this guy was a frade-A a-hole who had everybody in the neighborhood cowed out of fearing to be the next in line for a lawsuit, and who was the most sue-happy person on the planet (I looked up the number of court cases this guy had filed in the state over the past five years when this was happenning, and it was crazy!). When my brother-in-law won his battle, he became the "hero" of the neighborhood. The house they bought is now valued at its full value, which is about 8-10 times what my brother-in-law paid for it. Talk about a great investment!
In the end, this guy got what was coming to him. About a year and a half after the case was over, he died of a heart attack. Needless to say, none of our family grieved at his passing, nor did any of the neighborhood. Kharma's a bitch...
Reason is the Path to God - Anon
Yeah! Thompson has the right idea.
Rockstar should send us all copies of their upcoming games for free or we should sue them as well! I mean it's our right as Americans to have advanced screenings of movies or games so that we can determine their detrimental affects on our children right?
And we have just as much right to demand that of Rockstar as Jack Thompson does considering he is not in any legal or formal position in the industry to make those kinds of demands.
Just look at the vast erosion of society that PacMan has rought on our pure society. Generations of kids who grew up playing this "drug mule" simulator have been training to navigate the mazes of ways into the USA while packing as many pellets into their mouths as possible. The use of drug mules has categoricaly gone up since the release of the PacMan video game.
Then there are Rad Racer and Spy Hunter with their graphic simulations of road rage that led a generation of children to become maniacs on the road, laying oil slicks, and shooting big trucks who won't get out of the way.
Not every kid who plays Pac Man is going to grow up to be a drug mule, the same way that not everybody who watches a TV commercial is going to buy the product. But some of them do! And we have a right as the American people to have access to these games so that we can understand their lack of morals and the dangers that they represent to the people and our children!
I remeber when I went to upgrade from Microsoft visual studio 2002 to 2003. It was a free upgrade, but you had to send them a photo copy of the CDs to prove that you owned 2002. I don't own a photocopier, so I thought I would borrow the one at work. The expression on the IT guy when he walked in and found me "making copies" of CDs with company equipment was priceless.
Yeah, ok, so I'm dyslexic. I saw and typed dihydrogen monoxide but read dihydrogen peroxide. DHMO.org is a funny site, although I'm not sure how someone can have enough free time on their hands to put something like that together.
Yes! All my training in first person shooters is going to pay off!
Now I can take my mouse and keyboard skills and go out and kill some enemy soldiers!
Or I can take my joystick skills from fighting games and pick a fight in bar!
BETTER YET! I will take my point and click (or keyboarding) skills from Leisure Suit Larry and get some girls....
ALL MY YEARS OF GAMING IS NOW PAYING OFF!
"A friend of my mothers"
You have more than one mother? How's that work?
jackpeace@comcast.net I just tried and it came back that his mailbox was full...maybe try waiting a week? My next step is to send him a threatening piece of mail that says if I don't get a written response stating that his email box is emptied as of tonight at 6PM, legal recourse will ensue.
that lets you burn down Jack Thompson's house
Yes, all of which look very military in casual observance. Also, learning to hold a rifle, load a rifle, work the safety, aim it, and getting comfortable pulling the trigger is fine as long as you shoot a round target, not a person outline one... now that is just weird.
Selected bits from Thompson's tech support call, lead developer's comments:
"No, I'm sorry, this version doesn't have an installer, we basically dumped binaries and assets on a DVD-R. You need to copy the files by hand."
"Well, yeah, it might not run because you to move a few folders and files around. all files in data/txt32b1024/m00 to data/mission/00, depending on what texture depth and size you use, copy everything gfx/shaders/nv44 to gfx/shader - well, that kind of depends on what chipset you use, but that's the gist of it. They should be easy to figure out, because the bullyXXXXXXXX.log in your profile directory tells what's wrong. Just keep moving the folders and copying stuff around until it runs, okay?"
"Well, it's either in your profile directory or qc directory in wherever you put the binary. ... that would be the same folder as the bully_dev.exe file."
"bully12039203.log? What the heck? Oh, you have that buggy build of Windows 2000 that had that weird weird WEIRD quirk in C library. Microsoft is just as clueless as we are. We think it's our fault though, somewhere deep in code, no one just bothered to fix it. It's supposed to be year-month-day, and not a random number. Yeah, it makes it kind of hard to find it. The release build of the game will just use bully.log. What? You have patched up XP? Well I'll be damned..."
"Oh darn, I forgot, some of the stuff needs to be rebuilt from assets to make it actually run - sorry, we sent you data straight off the freezer, and not all of the build data. Well, I can email you a script to make it run. You have ActivePerl, right? No? Well, just call back when you get it installed..."
"Oh right, you need to edit the script a bit. On the line 262, change the right hand side of regexp from "$2/$1" to "$2\\$1". ... Right! Okay, now you're done. Start it up and you can leave it running overnight."
"Two backslashes. Not two forward slashes."
"No, please don't edit this on Word. Sorry, it won't work that way."
"You edited the bully_dev.ini file day before yesterday in Word too? Well, heck, no wonder it didn't work... Looks we need to start all over. But good that we got the script fixed. Might have ended up in great big problems soon anyway if we didn't do this now."
"You don't have Notepad icon there? Sorry, I was thinking of Windows 98, right now I'm sitting in front of my NetBSD toaster, which is an actual toaster by the way, can you believe that, ha ha..."
"Like I said days ago: two backslashes. Not two forward slashes."
"Well, that binary probably has debug catches turned on. And the warning logging. Just add -nolog -noprof -nodebug to the command line... How, you ask? Well, let me tell you..."
And so on...
I wish I had mod points. This is the best post I've seen in this whole thread.
Just to add my two cents; it seems to me that, when we're kids, some of us are strong and some are weak (whether by physical size or by numbers). So when the strong pick on the weak, while it certainly can help for someone to teach the weak how to help themselves, the authorities (parents, school officials, etc.) also should have a responsibility to protect the weak when they can. After all, if we're not going to even try to make this a fair society to live in, then why bother having a society at all? Why not just commit as many crimes as you can get away with? Why have any morality at all?
When we become adults, the fact that some are strong and some are weak doesn't change. That's why we should still have rules to treat everyone fairly, so people aren't tormented in life by those who have nothing better to do. But now, we don't have parents and school officials to look up to, but instead we have the police and courts. These were originally created so that people didn't seek out vigilante justice on their own.
After all, what's the point of living in a "civilized society" if you can't just mind your own business without some jerk messing with you?
But it seems that these days, the schools and the police/courts aren't doing their jobs at all in protecting the weak from the strong. Everyone knows by now that bullying is accepted and endorsed by school administrators and teachers, and that victims who try to stop it or retaliate (what else do you expect from a child?) are punished. So there's really no point in trying to get help from the "authorities" for kids in this situation. Even worse if their parents are like the original poster here, who'd just blame them for being victims. And for adults, unless you have lots of money for lawyers, you're not going to get much justice, either. The criminal law system is completely broken; if someone assaults you or steals your stuff, it's unlikely they'll get any jail time at all, and you can forget ever getting any kind of compensation from the criminal. Just don't get caught doing any drugs, because then you'll be in jail forever, since that's obviously so much worse than hurting innocent victims.
It was better in Medieval times. People ignorantly make fun of medieval justice, but in reality the idea behind their justice system was to get victims to accept compensation from the (nonviolent) criminals in order to avoid vigilante retaliation, while violent criminals were dealt with harshly, to deter people from taking up that profession and to prevent repeat offenses which are so common now.
I was just noticing this the other day. Nobody wants to have a 'play' area for anything that is more dangerous than tiddlywinks and hopscotch. Playgrounds are neutered versions of the days of old, with rubber shields on everything, a maximum height of about 2 feet, and an absolute minimal of anything that might invite a lawsuit.
I remember when I was a kid, the playground had a tire bridge held up by chains, a real (decomissioned) train caboose, and many other things. Parents would actually sit nearby and (heaven forbid) watch their children play, and if little Billy was climbing on the area of the caboose that was dangerous/unallowed, mom would tell him to get his ass down.
Nowadays, our playgrounds are not nearly as fun, and many older youth or even adult activities are curtailed or nonexistant simply because the facility owners can't risk the lawsuits. I'm a big fan of airsoft (similar to paintball), and trying to find land to play on has been a bitch at times because even for adults, nobody wants to risk that somebody might be injured and sue. As a school-district worker, I've seen many of the field-trips I used to attend be cancelled, either because parents themselves are too worried about injuring their little darlings, or because the schools just cannot afford insurance for the risks anymore.
No wonder all our kids are getting fat and lazy, the only activities they can enjoy nowadays are the low-risk ones that don't involve getting much off your ass. It's a sad, sad world that lawyers have made, where being injured automatically makes you a victim with a big settlement, rather than somebody who accepted the visible and known risks of a given situation, and didn't make the odds (or in many cases, somebody who did something that was dumb, outside the rules, and got hurt+sued anyhow).
But, 30 polygons try to do it doggy style, and it's the end of the world.
Mommy, that polygon looks like it's trying to jump over that other polygon, but it can't quite make it.
For example, go ahead and ask a counter strike player if they know where the safety latch is on a Maverick M4A1 Carbine
Duh, it's the 'L' key.
isn't that what people do at Raves? techno & X. so it's not that far fetched...Pac-Man is damaging to society!
watch penn & teller's Bullshit, I believe scouts are addressed in episode 4. They are a far less friendly activity than video games. Oh, uh, also... take a look at their origins...
If you ignore him, the uninformed people of the world will continue to listen to him. If you argue with him, you bring him more into the public eye and more uninformed people will begin to listen to him.
I personally think the best thing to do is give Jack enough rope and he will eventually hang himself. At least one family advocate group has not only distanced itself from Jack, it flat out told him to never reference them again. Of course Jack's stance on that whole deal is that the National Institute on Media and the Family didn't really want to make a difference and that they were actually in bed with the games industry.
Jack has proven time and again that he isn't particularly intelligent and I'm sure he will prove it again. The primary reason the National Institute on Media and the Family distanced itself from Jack is the statement he made in the letter referenced in the above article:
The interesting thing was when the gamer community made exactly what Jack asked for, he refused to pony up with the $10 large. So, Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins (Penny Arcade for those living under a rock)donated the $10,000 that Jack wouldn't...in Jack Thomspon's name! You can see the the scans of the letter that Jack subsequently sent to Gabe and Tycho demanding they be arrested for harrassment here AND the check that Gabe and Tycho wrote to the ESA. Make special note of the memo on the check.
It sometimes does if his mouth gets tired.
Aren't BAR associations run by *gasp* lawyers?
That's also their excuse to put you on personality-altering drugs.
Oh, trust me. After explaining my reasoning, I only got a sharp reprimand, an aside from the pricipal that he might have done the same thing, a school free week, and a trip to the councillors to 'retrain' me.
So didn't work.
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Hell no, give him a copy. No way he's smart enough to find the rootkit.
People replying to my sig annoy me. That's why I change it all the time.
William D. Boyce
In 1909, Chicago publisher William D. Boyce lost his way in a dense London fog. A boy came to his aid and, after guiding the man, refused a tip, explaining that as a Scout he would not take a tip for doing a Good Turn. This gesture by an unknown Scout inspired a meeting with Robert Baden-Powell, the British founder of the Boy Scouts. As a result, William Boyce incorporated the Boy Scouts of America on February 8, 1910. He also created the Lone Scouts, which merged with the Boy Scouts of America in 1924.
Fly me to the moon Let me sing among those stars Let me see what spring is like On jupiter and mars
More to the point, I have heard that the film and record industries use the same horrific system.
No single raindrop believes that it is responsible for the storm.
Sounds to me a little like Jack Thompson (bless his cotton socks) is trying to bully a copy out of Take-Two. Does anyone else see the irony in this?
remember to loot and pillage before you burn!
It's about time. Rock-Star games sucks.
Bunch of geektards just interested in themselves, and going "ha ha ha let's make a scene where we beat a girl."
Despite the name, I bet there's not a rock star among the entire company. RockStar is more like GamerDork. And they only care about sucking money out of 11 year olds and don't care if pointing a gun and killing a black man in a game is Not cool. If it will sell then they'll do it anyway. Or calling girls whores, or going around thinking that depicting cracking the arm of a normal person walking down the street in a game is 'cool' to them.
Get way from your game console and top stroking your joystick for a second 'rockstar' geekhole and come over here and I'll show you what's cool. I got the idea for it from 1 of your games.
I hope Jack sues the crap out of the whole company and it goes under.