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SCO Chairman Fights to Ban Open Wireless Networks
cachedout writes "SCO's Ralph Yarro had the floor yesterday at the Utah Technology Commission meeting in front of Utah lawmakers. Yarro proposed that free wireless sites and subscribers should be held responsible should any porn be delivered to minors because hotspots are apparently where kids go to watch porn all day long. Yarro told lawmakers that open wireless access points should be made a crime because we have an Internet out of control."
SCO bans you!!
Is *anybody* taking SCO seriously nowadays anymore ? /. readers, I mean the "average Joe that heard of SCO once, in passing".
And I don't mean
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Oh no! a pre-emptive strike against my router incase someone accesses porn with it :)
Thank you very much. He entered a search term that he couldn't recall Wednesday, although he said it "wasn't a real expressive sexual kind of word." And then, he said, he got caught up in a pornado -- sexually explicit pop-up windows took over his computer.
"I had this instant flash of pornographic trash on my computer that just started popping up," Brown said. "I could not turn it off. As fast as I would turn something off, something would pop on."
He had to turn off his computer to stop it, he said.
It could happen to anyone, said Sen. Scott Jenkins, R-Plain City.
"I've never opened a site in my life, but what pops up is unbelievable," he said. Jesus, install a popup blocker (or FireFox) you luddite bastard.
How we know is more important than what we know.
It seems mildly plausible, but it would make a lot more sense if he was suing because his kid had a problem with this.
Under the influence of Post-Cyberpunk Gonzo Journalism
Utah senator Orrin Hatch ("the dumbest man in Congress") is the most popular choice to replace the shabby liar Attorney General Gonzales.
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make install -not war
and we all know exactly where this discussion is heading...
can someone Yarro knows please just write 'twit' in indelible ink on his forehead please? then perhaps we can move along.
I mean really, an Internet out of control? all day long? Do these people see hyperbole as the best way to get people to listen because I know that anyone claiming kids are watching porn all day long is either an idiot or prone to exaggeration so why should I listen to them?
There are two kinds of fool One says 'This is old therefore good' Another says 'This is new therefore better'- Dean Ing
I often see swarms of kids sitting in my backyard beating off to the naughtiness streaming through my unsecured WiFi.. Yup.. Its a really big problem. So what then - ban every cafe from having wireless? Every airport? It could all be used by the children, who nobody, quite clearly, is thinking about.
"If Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to electronic music"
Kids really goto wireless hotspots to do stuff like that? It's just hard for me to believe that kids are at the local Starbucks checking out some porn.
If you cut me... I bleed binary.
... and it isn't the internet. One can only assume that there's some grand plot being hatched by the SCO board to get themselves all sectioned in order to avoid the resulting lawsuits when their shell of a company finally implodes.
Burns: We're building a casino!
McAllister: Arrr. Give me 5 minutes.
So open free hotspots bad, but the kid can go down to McDonald's, by internet for $2.95 an hour, and get all the porn he wants? He can go home to his FIOS line and get porn at blazing fast speeds?
You just have to control the tubes.
"We shall grapple with the ineffable, and see if we may not eff it after all." - Douglas Adams
No. It's called FREEDOM and sometimes that means people are able to be free and do things that others don't like.
Examples:
kill 32 people with a legally purchased gun. that's the price of freedom.
insult the president. that's the price of freedom.
remove a president. that's the price of freedom.
I don't think so.
Just about everyone here knows how those pop-ups happen. You're either at the site or you've been infected by some crap (most likely from going to one of those sites).
Whats sco expecting from this ? Favourable attitude from juries/judges in numerous lawsuits they file against ibm ?
"oh look, we are 'thinking of the children' so give us some of ibm's cash already" ?
am i totally out of sync (end of a long workday) or did i nail it ?
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I'm not worried in the slightest about our children using the whole proper internet. "He entered a search term that he couldn't recall Wednesday, although he said it "wasn't a real expressive sexual kind of word." And then, he said, he got caught up in a pornado -- sexually explicit pop-up windows took over his computer." The fact that my mind adds in Judy Garland instantly is what worries me.
It would seem to me that placing any bans on the internet by a state would be a form of regulating interstate commerce, which is reserved for the Federal government. Correct me, As I'm sure you will, If I'm wrong.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OCLN4_57i-o
This guy is just trying to become relevant again. If no one in the real world will listen to him, maybe people in Utah will listen. I doubt it, but the Mormon community is all about dashing out pr0n, so maybe it is them he is pandering to...what a douche bag!
"My immediate reaction is "WTF? What kind of moron doesn't make things 64-bit safe to begin with?" Linus
I keep watching kids snatching discarded Victoria's secret catalogs at the local post office, and nobody seems to care about that issue! They oughta have kid-proof trash cans to get rid of your unwanted pornographic spam!
Give Kashyyyk back to the Wookies
Do PJ and friends use free wireless internet while updating Growklaw in Utah?
the internet is a series of tubes, and tubes can't run through thin air, that's preposterous
it's a shame to see a man so out of touch with the basics of internet plumbing when he is obviously so in touch with the norms of modern society and the workings of software patents, and with such a general overall harmonious attitude
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Oh come on, SCO's just defending their vast collection of IP.
Yep, a whole lotta code. And a whole lotta porn.
Instead of:
we have an Internet out of control
He would have been better off with:
We have an internets gone wild and the hot spicy video of underage internet users to prove it!!!!!!11
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
Why would anyone take this nutbag seriously? The mere fact that he works for SCO shows he's got his head firmly stuck up his ass. Oh...wait...he was talking to politicians, wasn't he? One nutbag talking to a bunch of nutbags...they gather in flocks.
I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
Just as an example, chances are near zero that you'd ever hear this sort of complaint about children being exposed to videos of some middle eastern suicide bomber exploding in a shower of gore, even on the 6pm news.
The world has some seriously fucked up priorities.
So I guess if a public bathroom has some sort of virus on its very unclean urinals, I can sue whoever runs the free piss pot if I get some sort of infection or horrible STD.
You cant fucking sue everyone over something that can be turned into something malicious. If that were the case I guess we should be able to sue Google cause it can be used maliciously for alot of things with the right know how.
Jesus Christ.
Shouldn't this get a "thinkofthechildren" tag (tagging beta)?
So little Billy sees a pair of boobies. So what? In Europe many (most?) beaches are topless and it's not hurting the kids.
When you pry my DSL and Cable Modem feeds from my cold dead Seattle hands!
This means war!
-- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
better than running around shooting people.
Mr Yarrow's next job will be administering the great firewall of China.
My rights don't need management.
Every week I see a story about how such-and-such a CEO went in front of such-and-such a commission and spewed lies. When do our guys get to in front of commissions?
--Rob
Towards the Singularity.
Remember, folks, this is Utah we are talking about here... the land where alcohol is served at "private clubs" (through little government gizmos that premeasure the booze in your drink) and 3.2% beer.
...all my friends had older brothers that got them hard copies i.e. magazines. Maybe they should put child proof locks on the magazines?
I was just reading a law review article on using threats to internet intermediateries to censor speech when the 1st Amendment would prevent direct censorship. Evidently, the Supreme Court ruled on this practice back when McCarthy was trying to use private entities to censor supposed communists. Hopefully, the case law will catch up to the technology, and we can ignore these idiots. See:155 U. Pa. L. Rev. 11 for complete article.
http://bgcommonsense.blogspot.com
Headline should read:
"SCO Chairman Discovers Naked Young Boys On The Internet!"
Along with several Utah politicians, and their "assistants", he'll be studying this further....
So, if I correctly interpret the motive, we should widen our already broad criminal laws and punish those who have open wireless networks. Wow, the burden on our Criminal Justice system is heavy enough. Could you imagine the back log of criminal complaints and cases awaiting trial? Not to mention the implications of enforcement. I am sure Homeland Security would love this kind of criminalization because it would give them far reaching search and seizure powers. Our freedoms are already impacted enough by the Patriot Act, should we allow our government to become more gestapo-like?
Act to oppose it.
/.'ers are doing it.
If their "brain is frying trying to understand the technology involved" (damn!) then the best thing to do is explain it to them, along with the consequences of a bad decision. One could, for example write to a legislator explaining the concept of a popup blocker and the extremely low likelihood of "just entering a search term" causing a "tornado of popups" unless the search term was "I want a tornado of popups to take down my machine".
One could also explain, if one lived in Utah, that one would think very very poorly of any elected official who let SCO of all people railroad them into trying to railroad some unworkable and useless ban on a perfectly legitimate activity (open hotspots) based upon no evidence other than frying brains and luddite morons.
One could also, perhaps best, explain the extremely negative economic impact such legislation would have in the short term (forcing otherwise acceptable mom n' pops to spend money preventing legal activities) and in the long-term by hurting Utah's efforts to modernize its infrastructure, attract new businesses and convince prospective high-tech employers and employees that it isn't a backwards theocratic nuthouse but a modern forward-looking state that values, among other things, freedom of speech and technology at least half as much as it values free guns. (This will work for out-of-staters by the way if phrases along the lines of "I won't bring my money and jobs there...")
The (incredibly poor) Committee page is here. The Committee's members are:
Sen. Scott K. Jenkins, Co Chair
Rep. Michael E. Noel, Co Chair
Rep. Roger E. Barrus
Rep. Ralph Becker
Rep. Jim Bird
Rep. Melvin R. Brown
Sen. Mike Dmitrich
Rep. Janice M. Fisher
Rep. Lynn N. Hemingway
Rep. Steven R. Mascaro
Rep. Kay L. McIff
Sen. Darin G. Peterson
Rep. Aaron Tilton
Sen. Carlene M. Walker
Rep. Richard W. Wheeler
Richard C. North, Policy Analyst
Christopher R. Parker, Associate General Counsel
Tracey Fredman, Legislative Secretary
They can be located here.
Start your e-mailing and phone dialing (faxes are fun too!)
C'mon, all the cool
Boobies!
Good thing there aren't any worse problems in the world to concern ourselves with.
..don't panic
I wonder how many paid hotspots sco wants to deploy in utah.
VLC FOR MAC IS DYING! IF YOU DEVELOP, PLEASE SAVE IT!!
A lot of people don't understand that you cant blame the provider for what is done with the bandwidth. And, more importantly you can't restrain my right to free speech. If I want to put up a free access point to promote a cause then I must be allowed to do that as a matter of free speech. Only under extreme circumstances should that speech be curtailed (yelling fire in a theater, or where there is limited resources that MUST be regulated.) It's the responsibility of the individual to not commit a crime.
For instance, you don't arrest the CEO of Chevrolet when a drunk driver smacks into you with his Camaro. You don't arrest factory workers from Stanley tools if someone hits you with a hammer. Why would you place the blame for kiddie porn in the hands of the bandwidth provider.
The only reason SCO comes out against free, open hotspots is because they see the potential for financial benefit from forcing difficult technology on people.
It's all about the tubes, Ralphie. Tell 'em about the tubes!
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
1. This issue is so important to him but he can't remember what search term he used? He does not remember what he was doing on the internet and yet he wants to legislate it?
2. Just because you are not techno savvy enough to control what pours into your computer don't assume "the children" can't. They are most likely much more internet and computer capable then he is.
3. Kinda related to number 2 but if you can't figure out how to channel surf without accidentally tuning into a program that may not be good for children does than mean we need to ban Showtime, Skinamax or even FX (that "The Shield" is pretty violent, oh wait, violence is fine its boobies that are dangerous).
4. you dont get caught in a "Pornado" (I actually really like this term and will use it from now on) by going to Nickalodian.com(however its spelled)or other mainstream sites, you get them surfing for porn or warez... I wonder which he was searching for? (Doesn't it seem like these people who crusade against something end up being busted for it later 'see anti-gay preacher')
God I am so sick of these Smacktards.
It's only paranoia if your wrong...
Out of control or beyond THEIR control?
EvilCON - Made Famous by
If he's using all of the air in the room, should we sue him for taking what isn't his? Sunlight? Radio waves? Bovine methane emissions? And doesn't deputy dipshit have something more important that he should be doing? Like making up more lies about Linux and being Microsoft's crusty cum rag.
Then why click on the link to Nastyladies.com instead of sherwinwilliams.com ? Or perhaps "I Feel Lucky" doesn't mean what he thought it did ;)
;)
:( :)
Now wtf did that have to do with wireless again? or was it about Wii? or was it about cellphones? Bah i lost track
bummer, no mod points today
I suspect i get more than my share by NOT using them all
It is interesting, but not surprising, that the CP80 group is involved in this. After all Yarro CEO of SCO is their Chairman.
For those not familiar with it CP80 is a proposal that calls for segregating internet content into "safe" and "unsafe" by legally declaring some ports to be regulated and some unregulated. The regulation model is the "Community Norms" model that the FCC uses to allow the Parents Television Council to tell us all what we can and cannot watch on TV.
Leaving aside the fact that this, like all similar proposals, ignores the manifold legal hurdles in defining "adult" and "non-adult" content (just read the book of Revelations in the Bible sometime) it also ignores the fact that the port-based communication is an international standard, and one that would not be workable for the U.S. to mandate alone.
My favorite part about it really is the fact that even if this act were implemented it would still require some special settings or filtration on the user end (i.e. the home computer) to keep the bad ports off. Thus the problem that it seems even the CEO of SCO has that his kids know more about computers than him, would still remain.
Incidentally Wal-Mart is listed as a major sponsor of the group.
To date the act does not appear to have been submitted to Congress.
I was just going to order a VPS from
http://www.westhost.com/
But then I read their TOS http://www.westhost.com/terms-conditions.html
"storing or otherwise handling in any way lewd, obscene, pornographic or satanic materials."
Fuck that!
define obscene
define satanic
fucking idiots.
What this aforementioned luddite bastard (Note to parent: i liked the term, so I borrowed it =)) fails to realize is this is not a new scenario, its simply changing with the times.
I remember as a primary school student watching deals going down between kids. Lunch money being exchanged for pages ripped from playboy mags. Bottom line, if kids want it badly enough, be it porn, drugs, alcohol etc etc. they will get it, no matter how much you try to prevent it.
It seems to me that they're too busy trying to derail the train by picking off the last carriage in line. The should be going for the locomotive, by actually trying to educate people.
Gosh, I went searching for information on tornadoes but
because I misspelled the search term, all this porn kept
popping up. It was awful!
And all week long, your Plain City youth'll be fritterin' away
I say, your young men'll be fritterin'
Fritterin' away their noontime, suppertime, choretime, too
Turn the wireless on and surf for porn
Oh, ya got lots and lots o' trouble
I'm thinkin' of the kids in the knickerbockers shirttails,
young ones surfin' the web from free wireless hot spots
Ya got trouble, folks, right here in Plain City and Provo too
Trouble with a capital "T"and that rhymes with "P" and that stands for "porn"
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That is how non-utah mormons refer to Utah mormons. Most likly there is a reason we decide to not live in Utah and that is because the people are very backward. They can not think for themseleves, and have to be told over the pulpit how to think.
Mind you this is not the religion Joseph Smith re-organized. He made it clear man has to get knowledge from God, not from man. The current state of Utah Mormonism is due to years of isolation. Utah Mormons form a tight cliche and as a result, it is hard to break into that cliche for those who are not Mormons, or recent converts into Mormonism.
Sometimes I think if would be good for Utah Mormons to actually leave Utah, and live somewhere else where Mormons are in the minority. Then they would be forced to live with people who do not agree with them, and be able to expand there knowledge of the outside world.
At least that is why I am not in Utah.
(I served an LDS mission in Salt Lake City, which would take a novel to even summerize).
I just turned off WPA and made my SSID visible and a crowd of laptop-laden teens gathered outside my dwelling sporting tents in their shorts! This SCO guy is onto something... or is that ON something?
For Dog's sake won't somebody think of welcoming our new hotspot overlords already, you insensitive clod?!
For my next trick I'm setting up a Beowolf cluster of SCO-Unix boxen to provide free pr0n at all wireless and wired hotspots! Why do you think they call it HOTspot? Come on!
This is the NSA, we're gonna geet U h@x0r5! Also, what is a h@x0r5?
Then maybe you would take a good look at removing the legitimized kidnappers from your state, if not to have the authorities prosecute them for their deeds.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
so they can find out who runs linux and extort $699 out of them?
Someone should have pointed out that TCP/IP, the basic protocol of the very Internet itself, is the acronym for "Transmission Control Protocol - Internet Pornography."
Vizzini: Am I going MAD, or did the word "responsible" escape your lips? You were NOT hired for your brains, you hypocritical scam artist.
:)
Ok, so I couldn't think of a better play on "hippopotamic land mass".
Study everything, you'll find something you can use - Jason Bourne
Does this mean that hardware vendors that sell WAPs (Linksys, D-Link, NetGear, etc.) can be held responsible if their instructions are geared more toward just getting Joe User online wirelessly with minimum hassle (read minimum security)? I mean, do they now have to put in actual Joe-User-comprehensible instructions on how to lock them down and what all the acronym soup means? (WPA, WPA2, PSK, TKIP, WEP, etc?)
I thought they were messages from God, kinda like cyber age writing on the wall.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Trying to search in Google gives me:
"Your search - "I want a tornado of popups to take down my machine" - did not match any documents."
The internet IS out of control, and it's up to us to make sure it stays that way.
What?
"Ano Yarou" - lit. "that guy", actually means something more like "What a dickweed."
"Ano Yarro"...
---GEC
I'm but the humble pupil, seeking to snatch the scratchbuilt pebble from the master's fully articulated hand
Isn't tossing radical, completely idiotic, ideas around the hallmark of politicians who're losing grounds with their core voters and try to attract some radical weirdos?
Just one reason more that this company should finally be shut down. It breeds lunatics.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It's precisely because the Internet is out of total control that it's worthwhile. Otherwise, everyone would be using AOL.
Kids are able to just look at anything they turn their eyes towards, whether or not it's appropriate! They just look, look, look. All day long, even if their parents aren't present!
Studies show that most porn enjoyed by children is primarily through their eyes. Clearly, light is out of control. There ought to be a law.
"It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
do NOT search for "Tranny"
also bad:
"Tranny fluid"
"tranny problems"
or
"Chicks with dicks."
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Obviously, we should ask Mr. Gore. He'll know what to do. After all, he invented the internet!
...Open Wireless providers are a front for IBM! Ban them! -- Darl McBride
Make SELinux enforcing again!
cause he found a picture of his wife (wives?)
>Sometimes I think if would be good for Utah Mormons to actually leave Utah, and live somewhere else where Mormons are in the minority. Then they would be forced to live with people who do not agree with them, and be able to expand there knowledge of the outside world.
You can substitute in USians for Utah Mormons and have an even more valid point.
See the world away from Fox News/CNN. I recommend it.
also bad:
"Tranny fluid"
"tranny problems"
or
"Chicks with dicks."
OK, I have a transmission problem in my Camaro Trans Am, how should I search this? "Tranny tranny problem"?
The internet is out of your control we know that!
Thats the way we want it!
Its land of the FREE not land of the CONTROLLED you moron, thats communism
YOU WILL NOT TAKE MY BOOBIE PICTURES AWAY!
I defiantly go to those hot spots to "do my thing". Yup, nobody sees me lookin at porn "doin my thing" there. Defiantly not
Guns kill people too.... This country suffers from a severe lack of holding one's own self accountable for one's actions...
A child with involved parents isn't going to be spending an exorbitant amount of time web surfing wireless porn sites. Too bad we can't come up with a law to create standards to be a parent, like a driver's license!!
What is wrong with this asshole?
Be gone from my sight or prepare to feel my flaming wraith!
We should forbid Kids to go to Starbucks. Not for the porn but to save them from such bad and expensive ersatz of coffee.
Coffee is something US of A should learn to make and drink from Old Europe (Italia, Belgium, France) or countries like Ethiopia, Colombia, Kenya.
When you start drinking your coffee (arabica) in a small cup, black, no sugar, no milk, no cream, no fat... you never go back to Starbuck a la donkey piss.
An adult came up with that word, and uttered it with a straight face. Never forget that.
I am only peripherally aware of SCO, by way of its continued legal battles regarding the origin of Linux, etc. What I found ironic about this subject is that I am writing this comment, at this very moment, by way of a free WiFi spot. I am currently traveling across the US and Canada, with a final destination of Alaska. I stopped here to check my bearings via Google Maps, check my email, and catch up on the latest news. I stopped at a Panera Bread store for a soda and the aforementioned purpose. But, because I also smoke, I am sitting in my RV at the moment and using their signal for my purposes.
I don't consider myself unlike a great many other people. I specifically sought out Panera because I knew they had free WiFi, didn't feel like finding a subdivision neighborhood with open networks and/or crack closed ones, and needed a soda. In fact, as I sit here and contemplate the implications of what SCO is asking for, I can envision the entire method by which I choose the places to patronize to change. I don't take my laptop to McDonald's, for example, because they are using a commercial Wayport system which costs ludicrous amounts.
My wife and I have even sought out local sports bars, such as the Sidelines grill locations in and around Kennesaw Georgia because they offered what we considered the best of all worlds: they allow smoking, they serve alcohol, and they have free WiFi. The idea of banning what I have done as well, that is offer an open signal for the benefit of others, is akin to banning someone borrowing a cell phone because that person COULD be underage and COULD be calling some porn/sex line.
32 innocent college students murdered and this asshole is as healthy as ever.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
This what I'm beginning to despise about Slashdot, Digg, etc... the mob mentality... no one thinks for themselves or evaluates data by themselves anymore. Most everything boils down to "me too". There have been countless articles on Slashdot about the need to secure access points out of the box (I've contributed to them)... there have been articles on the need to shield children from certain materials until they are old enough to comprehend/digest/etc them. Yet we throw someone "unholy" into the mix and all of a sudden it "a bad thing" with no regard to to what's being said or why. For example... I'm from Texas and I consider myself a true republican. But that doesn't mean that I accept everything the Bush administration does. They've done a handful of good things... but for the most part they're flaming idiots. The same is true of the Clinton administration ... while I've been thought to consider them fools... I had enough common sense to look at them and see that they did a few things right.
So. Let's regroup and ignore the word "SCO" and look at this a common point of view.
Children should not view adult subjects because they do not have the education or emotional background to handle it. It's that simple... a 12 year old can not possibly understand what is going through the mind of two 30 year old adults when one says "spank me harder" to the other. The idea that it's a role-playing game and that one is not really dominating the other doesn't click. I know that's a bit graphic but that's what it boils down to. There are games that adults play that children do not understand... think about when you were a teenager and how you saw sex and relationships and think how you see it now... there is most like a *drastic* difference.
My Godson can't climb the rungs at the playground right now... we're going to have to step him through it. In a few months he will be able to do it by himself. This is the same idea. Sex is something that I and his parents will have to step him through... in a controlled manner... one rung at a time so we're there to catch him if he has any questions when he falls... and he will fall. We all had *that* boyfriend or girlfriend in high school that ended life as we know it. Hopefully your parents or a sibling was there to pick up the pieces.
The majority of this responsibility is on his parents... control what he does, what he's exposed to and when... but for G*d's sake... they need all they help they can get. By the time he's 12 (in ten years) he'll be able to go to Best Buy and get a device to surf the web for > $100 that fits in his pocket.
Free speech is a good thing but controlling who has access to it is just as good. It's sounds Orwellian but there is a fine line... that's actually hard to draw (and it should be... which is why more than one person needs to draw it)... but there are easy extremes... a ten year old does not need access to political diatribes or porn... in almost all cases they don't have the background required to process either. I will argue that a 20 year old needs access to both... but that is because they have the emotional and psychological background to comprehend it. In some ways it's their responsibility to understand how they fit into society. But, again, it's a fine line.
I think most reasonable people on Slashdot can agree that there is a healthy median where we agree with the great satan's of the world... despite who they are and what they think.
But we need to defend the opposing points just as vigorously.
Anyway... do not rate the message solely on the messenger.
YouTube. Youtube consists of athiests that should be banned. YouTube and Google are obvosouly a front for IBM!
Make SELinux enforcing again!
Utah Mormons form a tight cliche
You got the wording wrong, yet quite right.
Yes, there is a big cliché about Utah Mormons. And it would seem you've fallen into it.
Perhaps you did serve in Salt Lake, and perhaps you met some people that follow that trend. I can't deny it - I've met a few myself. But the willingness with which you blindly lump hundreds of thousands of people into such a small group is shocking to say the least.
I'm from Florida myself. Born and bred a southerner with no family ties to Utah and into a quasi-converted family. The first time I came to Utah was for the Missionary Training Center experience in Provo. I don't think that really counts, though, as once you're in you barely go outside for anything. I came back to Provo to attend BYU after two years slogging through the shanty towns around Buenos Aires, and in my last 4 years here in Utah I've found people of very diverse opinions, backgrounds, and ideas.
Then they would be forced to live with people who do not agree with them, and be able to expand there knowledge of the outside world.
Generally speaking, most times I've heard people say this, what they really mean is "I wish these people would think like I do." Well, I'm sorry you didn't find what you think you would here, but this is not so. It would seem you experienced time as a "minority" yourself, living with people who did not agree with you, and it didn't do you much good.
I'll agree that rural parts of Utah are fairly close minded. Yet as one who grew up in and around small towns in Florida and Alabama, I can honestly say that the people I've dealt with in small town Utah have been much more traveled and cultured. (I can't remember how many people asked me what language they speak in Argentina or, better yet, where in Africa Argentina was before I left from Florida. I've never heard those questions in Utah.) You can go to the middle of nowhere in Utah - Vernal, for example - walk into a ward meeting, and likely find people who have lived in and speak the language of dozens of foreign countries thanks to mission experience and are generally better educated than most rural populations. Not to say Utah is without its rednecks - it has its fair share - but you're painting the population with an awfully broad brush.
Utah has a lot of political problems. A lot of this has to do with the fact that there is little competition in Utah - the Democrats have situated themselves too far to the left to be seriously considered by many Utahns, and the simple fact is that a lot of Republican incumbents in office now needed to be ousted long, long ago. Similar patterns can be seen in other areas with little competition - Ted Stevens of Alaska would be a classic example. In cases like this, where little competition exists, you get bad laws from time to time, and more often than you would see otherwise.
I'd recommend giving Utah another chance. Move to an urban area for a few months and you'll see something different. I'm not going to lie - it's different than the rest of the U.S. But as a southerner, I felt different about the northeast as well during trips there.
By this guy's rationale eyesight should be banned because the real world is out of control and you never know when your vision is going to be exposed to something questionable.
I'm watching youtube videos of Guns N Roses (shut up, I like them) and I'm being more and more amazed by Slash's guitar skills. I thought I'd like to see some of his solo stuff as well, so my dumb ass, not thinking, types "slash" into the search box and UNLEASHED UNSPEAKABLE EVIL!
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I hadn't thought of "Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie" in months.
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Thanks for reminding me.
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Anyone want to look up contributions or pending contracts? Why just single out wifi hotspots why not go after cellphones networks/carriers that are capable of video also? Ohhh yeah why have a nice high speed network available at a cheaper cost than one thats' locked into the cell/phoneco's control.
I saw it at the supermarket trying to buy some control, as it was all out. But they didn't have any in stock, I heard Elvis say.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Aside from the fact that this guy is an asshat, who refuses to place any of the responsibility on parents (why are the kids out at a free hotspot anyway shouldnt they be in school or at home, and why do they have laptops anyhow...)
shouldn't he be busy trying to come up with lame excuses as to why they should sue linux or someone else? I'm seriously saying this but honestly what does SCO actually do.. and how does this guy starting random flames have anything to do with it.
personally I think that this guy, and SCO and attempts to quash free hotspots should be made illegal
and how does he know thats where 'kids' watch porn all day, is he sitting there watching with them?
I'm pretty sure the bulk of porn watching doesn't happen in public places just a hunch.
"Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny" ~Frank Zappa
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He entered a search term that he couldn't recall Wednesday, although he said it "wasn't a real expressive sexual kind of word." And then, he said, he got caught up in a pornado -- sexually explicit pop-up windows took over his computer. "I had this instant flash of pornographic trash on my computer that just started popping up," Brown said. "I could not turn it off. As fast as I would turn something off, something would pop on." At least that's what he told the constituent entering his office, while trying to covertly zip up his pants.
So, let me get this straight, on one hand they are blaming the porn on wireless networks, then on the other they claim rights to Linux as a derivative works of their SCO Unix. So, would that not mean that should they win their case against IBM (bwahahaha, hot place, lots and lots of ice), that would mean that they have created software that allows children to search for and find porn on the internet. They must be stopped! They are promoting porn by allowing this to happen. Their UNIX operating system and all it's derivative works are responsible, have your government stop them now!
Sheesh.
They have a name for the medical operation of changing a woman into a man... it's called an "addedictomy".
- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
I've seen lots of Chines porn, Japanese Pixelation, and good ol' redneck hometown booty calls, but how the hell did South Korea get up there?
China is the most populated country, so that makes sense, and Japan and the US are the two largest economies in the world, so more 'luxury good' cash. Can anyone explain South Korea? Does the nude Kerrigan mod in StarCraft count or something?
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Hey Ralph its called freedom
Why don't we just cut off the tube?
Seems like the best response to this would be: Free wireless hotspots don't read porn, people do. Much like the interesting argument thats says it's not guns that kill people, but people - albeit very well armed people in many cases.
AT&T should be responsible for prank calls, bomb threats, children calling 900 numbers, etc. Especially if made from a pay phone.
This is Opportunist again, posting anonymously so I don't lose karma from being modded down.
Ooo, a submarine vet! What the hell does being a doctor for whales have to do with anything?! Submarine vet. HA! Probably a yellow submarine, pinko scum! I also notice you didn't say FOR WHICH SIDE, friggin' ruskie.
Again with your hateful anti-republican rhetoric! You liberals make me sick. Don't you know there's a war on?! What the hell are you doing criticizing the government, traitor ?!
Oh how friggin' impressive! WELL GUESS WHAT BUDDY?! I'm in Iraq right now, part of the 77th Airborne! Oorah! God, your pitiful whining pissed me off so much I had to go outside the base and shoot a civilian. Watching someone die didn't cheer me up as much as it usually does. Thanks for ruining my day, jackass!
BCW eh? Probably stands for Bastard Commie Wanker! You are a disgusting waste of filth for betraying the principles this country was founded upon. If you don't like America, GET THE FUCK OUT. :(
No really, is this guy as insane as Jack Thompson? Somebody get a straight jacket pronto!!!!!
on worthless lawsuits. He's gonna try and get the government to waste the taxpayers money. They do a good enough job without SCO's help.
the first two words that came out of my mouth after reading the article where "fuck off"..
there is no way in hell they could ever make this stick
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It is a fact that no matter who buys this material, 75 to 90% of it ends up in the hands of our children.
We also know that once a person is perverted, it is practically impossible for that person to adjust to normal attitudes in regard to sex.
(Free clue before you mod me troll: I'm referring to things which have been said in anti-porn propaganda).
Of course the parents don't have ANY responsibility over their children and definitely shouldn't be involved in what they do, so if a child goes somewhere to watch porn it for sure isn't time for a parent-child talk.
Privacy is terrorism.
Children surfing freely on pr0n sites : bad,
Children using to surf pr0n sites : OK
please shoot him, just reading that word is giving me stabbing pains in my frontal lobe.
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Courtesy of the Homeland Security Act.. It is illegal to offer unsecured access to the Internet because terrorists might use it to anonymously plan their activities..
This is like the Titanic on a 15 year sinking trip.....
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
You have serious attitude problems and will probably leave the military involunatrily. The sooner the better. If you are only capable of drunken rants and not intelligent thought you are no use to the good guys doing the honorable thing (our troops). I was voting Republican before you were born and continue to do so. You are not man enough to shut my mouth or still my typing fingers, don't even try it, I'm a better shot than you will ever be!
Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
" we have an Internet out of control "
Man.. that is scary. The Internet was never under control. It kinda used to be the point of it really. I remember in the early 90s when I tried to explain to my dad that nobody 'owned' the internet, that there was no-one dictating what you could or couldn't do on it, it was just a bunch of computers connected to each other, and yours was one of those, so what you did on the net was just business between you and whoever you were sending packets to/from.
I remember him doing a 'meh' kind of face and saying something along the lines of "Yeah, sounds, nice. We'll see how long it takes to have some business value, then you can kiss all that freedom goodbye, and say hello to the new 'owners'".
It's kind of sad, really.
"Luck is my middle name," said Rincewind, indistinctly. "Mind you, my first name is Bad." -- Terry Pratchett
I think SCO has absolutely no credibility anymore.
It's good to know that he's looking for a new gig.
This is the line that comes just before, "And then you win".
In the 19th century he might have been a colorful character but in the 21st century he is just an unscrupulous snake oil deale who is making a living out of being a nuisance to huge numbers of people. It just seems to be a relatively new art form / career because of the scale of it and the utter lack of ethics on the part of businessmen, politicians and journalists who collude with him.
The smart thing to do is monitor him and everyone he contacts like a hawk, and build up a dossier of all the participants of this community of jerks who will do anything to make a buck. Get all their names, addresses and account information and bag them all at once. Publish a book like the Clinton one that outlines the hypocrisy of each person, and how the money flows. It will include everyone from the RIAA to SCO to Microsoft to spammers to banks to congresspeople to organized crime to the White House, and probably has more to do with real crime than anything that actually makes it into the news... It is almost as if someone is controlling it all while laughing hysterically like a Batman movie criminal. What other reason is there for elected officials and judges to just let these dramas unwind and unwind? The alternate of course is just wait for him to retire and die, as soon as possible. It is hard to imagine someone like this doing anything but preying on society.
I mean it is obscene in the eyes of SCO.
"forcing otherwise acceptable mom n' pops to spend money preventing legal activities". Mmm, I believe topic was around under aged persons accessing porn on the internet and enabling encryption on your access point costs how much? At the most someone has to do is come into the establishment to get the shared key, instead of sitting outside sponging off the network without paying for any products (porn or no porn). It's just too easy to secure your wireless network to say otherwise. And all gov't, or your local techie, needs to do is educate. There have been numerous articles in my local newspapers and magazines on this topic that could be shared with those less informed. On the other hand, you keep your wireless network open and free, while mine is secured. knock..knock...knock, er what can I do for you today officer?
To quote a ridiculously silly video game, "Utah is a town somewhere between L.A. and Vale" (Cut to map of the USA with a big circle drawn around the area between LA and Vale and a big question mark in the middle of it)
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
I wonder if there have been any "Unix license fee" payments from the RPAA or MPAA to SCO?
The cone of silence must not be working. KAOS rules! Where's the outrate over the implicit assumption that the Internet should be "in control" ?
All 12 remaining SCO users are cheering.
I think SCO and the "think of the children" crowd have the same basic fear: people givin' it away for free, without signing a contract.
They never give it away to me. But I ain't signin' no stinking contract, not any more! The FreeBSD pussy cost me one draft beer, well worth it. It wasn't very good; the command line was ok but there was no GUI, or at least not one you would want to look at for very long. And when I had trouble getting her bra off she told me to RTFM, n00b.
The most expensive pussy I ever had I had to sign a contract for. That pussy cost me a house, a car, and part of my pension. No more of the SCO pussy for me!
From now on I'm sticking to the open source boxed sets, twenty bucks but you get support (or rather, you don't have to pay more for support). Ten bucks if you get an older model. And they supply the condom for free!
-mcgrew
Yarro seems to be part of CP80, the group that trying to push this bill in Utah. Go to their site and you will notice they they want to devide the internet into 2 channels, one for families, and one that is 'Open' for adult content. You see the terms 'Open Content' and 'Open Channel' bantered around as being very bad. I can see Yarro getting 'Open Source' tossed in that same arena so at least people in Utah will be saved from the evils of 'Open Source'.
First it was the backfiring lawsuit against IBM. Now, it is the threat of lawsuits againt Joe Wifi. Every time I hear a "Think of the children" argument, I look to see who is giving it, and it almost alwaysturns out to be from someone with either clear political motivations, or someone who is deeply embattled in a lawsuit (and usually losing).
If this is the kinds of logic that SCO practices, then it comes as no suprisethat their lawsuit against IBM was a giant shot in the foot.
I wouldn't be suprised if SCO had a financial motivation for this. SCO needs a cash influx in the same waythe Donner Party needed food.
Desperate words from a desperate man. SCO is simply trying to do everything it can before their misplaced lawsuit against IBM puts the company out of business. Ibm should just finsh off SCO and put the executives in that company out on the street.
Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
No the stated issue is kiddies but if you read the text the goal is elimination of all "porn", and advancing the role that it isn't just the mom n' pop's job to secure the network, it is their job to monitor it making them go from local cafe to local snoop.
This isn't about running open networks it is about running a free internet or one where the Parent's Television Councils says what we can and cannot do.
The thing about Ted Stevens is this: nobody could take him down in an Alaskan election. Nobody. The man is still alive, still working, and has an international airport named after him (ANC is no joke, third busiest cargo airport in the world). His politics are deplorable, but living out here in the Bush you see at least some of that pork he brings home literally saving communities and cultures that wouldn't otherwise make it.
Yes, I'm conflicted about Ted Stevens.
Every time I see a headline with "SCO" in it, I expect to see something like,
SCO Chairman Kills Puppies, Twirls Moustache, Laughs Maniacally
Really. It's like this guy read the Geek Villain HOWTO and is meticulously following the instructions.
Errr, I don't know about the other two countries, and I do think that China censors porn, but this statement is just wrong:
> Ironically, porn is illegal in Japan
I think it's censored for some odd reason (but only penetration; thus the tentacles, boobies can and do appear on network TV) but it's certainly not illegal, per my understanding.
In the article, SCO is not mentioned, and neither is Ralph Yarro. The person who was speaking was Ralph Yarrow, of the anti-porn CP80 Foundation. Not to lesson the stupidity of the man, but where is the SCO connection?
US is only high due to its relatively hight population as Per Capita Revenue is only 44$.... South Korea on the other hand! 526$! With a per capita gdp of 24,200$, so about 1 of 50 gold coins in SK comes from porn :p
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doesn't he have other things to do right now? like comparing sourcecodes?
The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
Oh man, that's the creepiest thing ever. Good Lord, how can they get away with that kind of crap?
Donations to their representatives, and the use of basic psychology that isnt far off from methods used by this group
Look up Lichfield and Kay for all terms in the state of Utah here. They'll show up quite clearly when you match up their already known residences there to names. (source:ISAC) It helps to have support in certain places to not worry about legal issues. Conducting semi-legal transfers of minors to uncertified camps that are just "private detention centers" more than a "boarding school by force" has attracted a good deal of attention, and they still survive.
In the case of those donations, one might have a chance - if to catch Mitt Romney in a "think of the children" moment. That is, the question to ask is: "what do you know about this group, and why are they allowed in your state to permanently harm a minor, despite the known evidence?". Follow up with the media(CBS may have done a segment on this in the 90's, so it'd not be a bad angle if you can get them to tie that to Romney) that could use it if he refuses, even if shown the donation record to his political party from this group. If done properly, it should stir up the nest for some interesting moments to have some publicly answered questions.
As for basic psychology, there is a basic (but flawed) presumption that children in these settings speak out of patient-sourced manipulation to get out, and that is well used by this organization. Turn the parents against the children, and make it near impossible to "not go with the program"(read:send them far enough away that nobody is near home), and you have a recipe for folks that don't know much more than how to comply with an order.
In this case, truth is quite stranger than some fiction, and it makes SCO's deeds look saintly by comparison.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
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Yes, I was wrong about him being of Utah instead of Massachusetts, however the other issues do remain - and that if he does speak on terms of morals, it'd be a good time to raise that point up about his connection to WWASP.
Opportunist again. I was going to let this go, but your lies really tore me up.
How dare you insult someone who suffers through combat to secure your freedom? Sure, I kill a few people a day, but only a fraction of these are for amusement. Have you no shame? Are you so twisted up with your liberal left-wing ideology that you cannot see that if we lose the Iraq war, they will come over here and destroy all OUR cities just because they hate freedom so much?
You fucking liberals make me sick. You preach tolerance and understanding and all sorts of other bullshit, but the second anyone questions your hippie ways, instead of being able to defend them sensibly, you fall back on us conservatives capable of only "drunken rants" and not being "intelligent." WELL GUESS WHAT ASSHOLE?! I got straight As all the way through middle school, and went through all two years of college without once failing anything! I'm plenty smart!
Here I am, knee deep in the blood of my enemies (and yours too, by the way, even though you liberal hippie douches think everything will be OK if we just lay down our arms and play hackey sack with them), and you dare to insult me. When you get to hell, I hope Satan stops torturing you long enough to explain why you're there. Then, then you'll be sorry.
Ha! With my sniper rifle and scope, I can slice off your fingers from a mile away. I'm a much better shot than you. Though, I suppose with all that pot you're smoking, hippie, your fingers would tend to be a lot steadier, but I can't believe a liberal douche like you would ever be seen with a gun.
GOD BLESS GEORGE BUSH! Doing God's work even as the unwashed heathens berate him, what a brave brave man!
Why don't we just make wireless devices illegal for minors that way they can't possible use those convienent access points to look at OMG porn.