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Star Wars Coming To Blu-ray In September
wiredog writes "A bundle of all six movies will sell for $139.99, while sets of the original three films, and the three prequels, will go for $69.99 apiece. Obsessive types can pre-order them on Amazon now. Han shot first!"
I can be at my post in *HD*!
"TK-421, why aren't you at your post?"
In this edition, obi wan shoots first.
Can I see the original theater version or do I have to watch parodies of the original?
The original theatrical releases will NOT be included, only the heavily edited "Special Editions" from the 90's (no doubt with even *more* edits from Lucas piled on, as if he didn't fuck them up enough already).
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Fifth time I've paid for a license to three of these movies.
If I'm going to respect copyright, tell me why I don't deserve to have these movies on my Nintendo DS, Netbook HDD, PS3, etc in whatever the latest resolution is. I've cumulatively shelled out hundreds of dollars (with inflation adjustments) for these three movies and yet I'm continually paying for them in the latest format. I bet if they figured out a way to approve lifetime licenses to this media, a lot more people would feel okay buying a copyright. Right now, I'm 28 years old and I've been nickel and dimed since age 12. Also, for those who didn't like the sequels, there appears to be a cheaper subset for $45 of the original three.
I'm sad that there isn't BD-Live for these in the Amazon description, I'd love to listen to fan commentary and possibly add my own. Has anyone had good/bad experiences with BD-Live commentaries? I was hoping that'd be used to do MST3K versions of popular movies or add insight to movies like Donnie Darko or Lost maybe. Unfortunately, having only received my PS3 this last holiday I've discovered that very very few movies are BD-Live.
My work here is dung.
I was beginning to think Lucas stopped liking money.
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Han Shot First!
Also, not giving another dime to Lucas ... EVAR ... if I can possibly avoid it.
The Ewocs were rubbish, but JarJar was unforgivable.
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All I have is a grainy copy from the 1980s analog LaserDisc (better than VHS but not as clean as DVD). I want to see the ORIGINALS released in high-def, not these idiotic bastard-ripped, CGI-damaged special editions.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
Enough I will not buy them again. Old movies are still old. When they all start i know how they are going to end.
Every new technology gives yet another opportunity to milk the crazy fans, who are willing to buy anything with words "Star Wars" on it...
Why?
So is this version still going to have the new actors replacing the original actors at the end to Return of the Jedi
by buying the two boxes separately?
Upconverting can't magically add more detail. There is a very noticeable difference between a blu-ray and upconverted DVD. And honestly, now that blu-ray players are under $100, and movies tend to be around $20, the price issue isn't that important anymore.
Go to your friend's Bluray Player and click "zoom" on the picture. It brings-up details in the movie you can't see on DVD or Upconverting DVD. (Zooming on dvd just shows a blur of MPEG2 artifacts.)
>>>2. you can buy a upconvert dvd player for $35
This past Christmas I saw Bluray players for almost as cheap ($50), so might as well buy the better player. BD players also upconvert your current collection.
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My guess is that you save on postage when buying the 6-in-1 bundle online as most shops (Amazon definitely) charge per shipment AND per item postage.
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I still chuckle when someone tells me they just bought a bluray player.
I ask why because
1. powerdvd (and it's equivalents) will upconvert
2. you can buy a upconvert dvd player for $35
My tinfoil hat tells me that they just want us to buy the same shit in a different format.
Up converting will never give the same quality as a source image in the correct format.
I chuckle because optical media is dead.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall, re Voltaire
Unless it includes the most excellent Star Wars Christmas Special it isn't complete.
Upconverting just makes the DVD format not look like absolute trash on larger screens. It does not add any increased definition, just blurs it nicely.
Software can't go back and add the original light back to the image, it does a decent job, but there's a pretty noticable increase in quality from upconverted DVD to Blu-Ray.
Top image is HD, bottom image is upconverted.
Degaussing scares the bad magnetism out of the monitor and fills it with good karma.
At what point does a franchise transition from beating a dead horse to beating the pulp that remains of the horse to hitting the ground where it used to be because the thing's turned to dust?
- Blu-ray players still play DVD discs.
- Blu-ray players are also upconverting DVD players.
- Unconverted DVDs have nothing on Blu-ray discs.
At 100$ for a decent Blu-ray player, you'd have to be dumb not to buy one. I chuckle when people think they saved 65$ by buying a rubbish Chinese DVD player.
"Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
I see an awful lot of complaints regarding rereleasing Star Wars in a new format. This is incredibly common. Its not like George Lucas is the only person releasing their movie again in a new format.
This is not the penguin you're looking for.
Its a UPS truck bearing Star Wars bundles!
Have gnu, will travel.
It's hardly stealing if people are handing over the money willingly.
On the other hand I am a little annoyed at this. I got fed up of waiting for the original Star Wars on blu-ray and just bought the DVDs last year. The last version I bought was the VHS "Special Edition" with the case that made farty noises when you put the lid back on.
I think this is one of those things where I'll be happy with the DVD for now though. Old live action films aren't usually worth getting on blu-ray. If I were inclined to buy Episodes 1-3 (which I'm not.. well, maybe 3, it was okay), I'd get the blu-rays though.
which is totally what she said
Yeah, but if you watch the movie at normal size, as I tend to do, it not such a big deal. Sometimes you do want to slomo and zoom for a gratuitous nipple slip, say, but otherwise I'll just wait till my old player dies before upgrading.
Not to say that I can't tell the difference; just that it's a small factor in my enjoyment of a movie.
Go to your friend's Bluray Player and click "zoom" on the picture. It brings-up details in the movie you can't see on DVD or Upconverting DVD. (Zooming on dvd just shows a blur of MPEG2 artifacts.)
Oh yes ! Because I like very much stopping and zooming on movies. In fact I always do that each 5mn, so I can watch details, *that* is really much more entertaining - even if my GF disagrees.
Thanks you for proving it's bullshit.
Does this mean we're a year away from the next-gen successor to Blu-ray coming out?
Nice to see the films joining Clone Wars on Blu-ray, currently the only Star Wars content available in that format.
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If I'm going to respect copyright, tell me why I don't deserve to have these movies on my Nintendo DS
Because Nintendo made the DS and DS Lite for games, not movies. Homebrew is piracy according to Nintendo, even though I disagree with Nintendo's stance. Otherwise, it wouldn't have successfully sued distributors of R4 and R4i style microSD adapters in multiple countries.
I've discovered that very very few movies are BD-Live.
That's because BD-Live is an ongoing cost center: the publisher has to keep servers running.
but the long wait at the start, the forced commecials and the draconian DRM are complete show-stoppers.
not to mention that if you rip them to your NAS, the industry has now just DOSd your storage system with extra data bits that you can't even see or resolve on the tv and definitely 100% guaranteed that your audio system isn't up to 'linear track 24bit' standards. ie, they force you to take 40-50gb for a movie when its just not reasonable. reduced down to 10gig or so and that's more reasonable (like dvd9 sizing).
most people don't rip 1:1 copies of their BD but I rip all my DVDs' to my NAS.
BD is simply a pig that I do not want. uprez'd dvd on a widescreen is very nearly the same with none of the down-sides of BD (and no money going to sony, lets not forget that nice side-effect of NOT buying BD).
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I would pay as much as $0 for all 6 movies, or I would pay up to $40 for episodes 4-6 and would accept as low as $40 in payment to take episodes 1-3.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
I still chuckle when someone tells me they just bought a bluray player.
I ask why because
1. powerdvd (and it's equivalents) will upconvert
2. you can buy a upconvert dvd player for $35
My tinfoil hat tells me that they just want us to buy the same shit in a different format.
Well, Yes, of course they just want you to buy the same crap again.
That said, things really do look better when they're less compressed, assuming your display is capable of showing the higher resolution images. In spite of the impression people may get from movies and TV, you can't just "expand" an image and have the same quality as one created at a higher resolution, no matter how much smoothing trickery you use.
My take is that the only justification for having a 1080p display is that you're going to display native 1080p content on it. So having the 1080p display without a good 1080p source is what makes me chuckle. On the other hand, it is equally silly to use a 1080p source if your display isn't 1080p.
Just checked on amazon.
Star Wars: The Complete Saga (Episodes I-VI) [Blu-ray] comes with 9 discs - for $89.99.
Star Wars: The Original Trilogy (Episodes IV - VI) [Blu-ray] and Star Wars: The Prequel Trilogy (Episodes I - III) [Blu-ray] are both 3 disc sets for $44.99 each.
So, you get 3 extra discs in the complete set for 1 cent more, and you save on the shipping if you don't want or don't qualify for the FREE_Super_Saver_ShippingTM.
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every disc and bd player you buy makes fat old sony corp richer.
don't you guys remember - sony is a bad guy! how soon we forget about all the evils sony has done.
for the past 5 or more years (maybe even 10) I've had sony on my do-not-buy list. many reasons but mostly they are enemies of what we typically want. if we want it, they oppose (drm issues, rootkits, supporting hollywood laws, removing fair use, inventing useless proprietary/expensive solutions and the list goes on and on).
I DO NOT BUY SONY.
you should not, either, if you've done your research.
(and bd == sony in case you didn't get that)
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Please watch your tense. Optical media will be dead as soon as the broadband situation in the United States, Australia, and New Zealand improves. Right now, a lot of households in the anglosphere are stuck with low-cap satellite being the only remotely broadband Internet connection they can get. Good luck downloading a high-definition movie at 5 GB per month. Until then, optical media is not dead.
Hmmm, buy separately and save a penny. Sounds like the groundwork for a new economic policy...
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How much for just Episode 1?
or maybe you don't VALUE the higher res on video since that contributes maybe 5% to the actual movie watching experience.
you guys always forget this: content matters more.
ever hear your favorite song on a portable 1-spkr radio? well, bad analogy: no one here is old enough to remember before earbuds and stereo. but suppose that you heard an old 1970's mono FM radio playing your favorite song. does it matter so much that its not on the best playback equipment? you still like that song and your mind connects any missing dots and the experience is nearly the same as the hifi version. for sure not THE same but nearly the same to your mind.
you guys are getting swindled thinking that higher res visuals are going to make crappy movies at least watchable. ain't going to happen. if the movie sucks, it will suck in high res. if it was great, it won't matter if its 4:3 and from a VHS copy.
so, its not that we can't TELL, its that we look way beyond the trivia and see into the content.
the storytellers art is not what the storyteller looks like when he's telling the tale; its the story that he tells that matters.
upres'd drm-free dvd's win over native-res'd drm-laden bd.
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Upscaling's a funny old business. My (1st gen US 60gig) PS3 upscales PS2 games and does a pretty decent job of it. Certainly, on a dull afternoon, I got my TV to display Final Fantasy X running on:
a) a PS2
b) the PS3, with upscaling to 720p
c) ePSXe2 via my laptop (with HDTV adapter), with upscaling to 720p
Of the three, b) looked by far the best. The worst was a), which looked very blurry and muddy on a 38 inch HDTV. Meanwhile, c) just looked odd, with a very sterile and angular look. I think the point I took from this is that upscaling techniques can vary significantly in terms of quality.
That said, I agree entirely that Blu-Ray movie footage looks noticably better than decently-upscaled DVD footage, and that there is a whole wealth of extra detail visible on the Blu-Ray. Just like how a game developed to be run in 720p, with appropriately sized textures, will look better than an upscaled standard-def game.
I've personally bought a small number of movies that I like a lot on Blu-Ray when I already own them on DVD. I bought the shiny Alien box set for the first two movies (and partly for the third, which I don't completely hate). I can't, however, see myself picking up the Star Wars set; those movies have just been abused too much over the years.
Someone better invent a new format fast, else how am I going to pay for Star Wars again next year? (That's after the Blu-ray Remastered and Blu-ray Collectors' editions, of course).
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You say "you'd have to be dumb" as if your choice of consumer electronics makes you smart? Really?
It was hand-waved months ago, when they first made the announcement.
http://geektyrant.com/news/2010/8/14/george-lucas-star-wars-blu-ray-coming-in-2011-and-watch-a-de.html
Lucas also went on to explain that the original trilogy films included on the Blu-Ray release will be the remastered special editions.
Releasing the originals is kind of an oxymoron because the quality of the original is not very good. You have to go through and do a whole restoration on it, and you have to do that digitally. It’s a very, very expensive process to do it. So when we did the transfer to digital, we only transferred really the upgraded version.
In other words, no ORIGINAL original trilogy, cause that would mean some "people" would actually have to be "hired" to do some "work" on those and they would presumably require to be "paid" in return.
But have no fear. Few years down the road, and Lucas will have his slaves do that for free.
Or for more actual coffee in their coffee and an additional bathroom brake.
Cause nothing is too good for his slaves if it will help sell everyone yet another "very, very expensive" set of plastic discs.
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If you had a decent TV, you would know why. But, you're right that it won't make any difference on your 27" Sanyo.
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Upconverting does nothing for the sound quality either, which is generally far superior on Blu-Ray (again, if you have equipment that can take advantage of it).
I don't know you (and neither does anyone where since you are AC) but I'll take a 99% chance guess: your system is not 'up to it' on bd audio, either.
short answer, see wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range
quote:
[i]The 16-bit compact disc has a theoretical dynamic range of about 96 dB[7] (or about 98 dB for sinusoidal signals, per the formula[6]). Digital audio with 20-bit digitization is theoretically capable of 120 dB dynamic range; similarly, [b]24-bit digital audio calculates to 144 dB dynamic range.[/b][/i]
and finally this:
[b]In 1981, researchers at Ampex determined that a dynamic range of 118 dB on a dithered digital audio stream was necessary for subjective noise-free playback of music in quiet listening environments.[/b]
look at those numbers. let me give you real world conditions: most mid-end pro audio studios can do an 'honest' 20 bits. only the best high end (very expensive, like abbey road) studios can do something close to true 24bits.
24bits on a home playback system that has an avr of $500 or less, typically. 144db range, eh? see that number (or ANYTHING close to that) on your amp and preamp and dac specs? do you know of any single dac out there that can even give 144db of analog range? really? please show me and the analog buffer stages that also follow. would love to see that.
they don't exist, folks. 24bits is a lie. at home 16 is 'doing very well' if you can reach 96db or so. most home setups can't. then go to 20bits for studio recording and see if you can find amps that are quiet enough to even do 120db (and not the fake a-weight stuff, either).
ITS A LIE. bd audio is a lie.
the lie is in the mix. they change the mix, make it sound more dynamic - but here's the catch - that same mix would have 'fit' very easily on the dyn range space of a dvd or even audio cd.
blue ray audio. don't make me laugh. or puke. or both. its a scam and you only need to do the math to see that no home system short of 5 or 6 figures is going to be able to playback 24bit audio and truely use that extra bit-space and be able to resolve it all the way down to the speakers.
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Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray will be available for $139.99 US/$179.99 CAN and the Star Wars: Trilogy Sets for $69.99 US/89.99 CAN. Pricing for each set will vary by international territory.
Given the Canadian dollar is at parity and will likely be there for the foreseeable future I for one will be passing on this. Fuck you Lucas.
You realize that something will upconvert whether its your DVD or not right?
Its either you DVD player, your receiver, or your TV. And if you have a $35 dvd player it probably uses the same $3 chip that your receiver and TV both have.
A decent upconverting DVD player (Look at Oppo players) will do a much better job but its still not Bluray.
If you have decent speakers the audio alone on Bluray makes it worth it and the increased resolution is just extra goodness.
In this version Spongebob Squarepants will replace Jar Jar and the Emperor will be played by Plankton!
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It's all a matter of priorities. Even at $100 I'm not interested. I get all of my TV and movie content online, over-the-air, or from RedBox. RedBox is still predominately DVD and if they have something in BluRay you have to pay a premium for it. Thanks, but no thanks. I'd consider BluRay if RedBox dropped DVD or severely cut the selection of DVDs but even then it's not a slam dunk because I'm pretty sure I'd have to buy an actual player instead of just adding a drive to my HTPC (It's not the fastest machine on earth). I don't want more crap in my living room.
Take the Star Wars angle and you'll always get front page on Slashdot.
I am sure they are coming and I am sure the 2D versions will be just as good as these. In fact these will probably be the sources for the 3D versions.
Don't Sony profit from DVD sales as well? I'm not sure exactly how the licensing for DVDs is structured so I may be wrong, but I know they were one of the founding members of the DVD Forum which is responsible, through the DVD Format Logo/Licensing Corp for collecting license fees for use of the DVD logo/specification, so I'd be surprised if they're not getting some income from that. They've had their sticky fingers in most of the media pies over the years.
I'll take just the first two in the bundle, thanks.
The internet already killed the slow-mo nipple watch - who wants to go to all that effort when they have reams (sorry, poor choice of word) of free pr0n at their fingertips. Ah, the good old days. I'm almost certain pausing videos and trying to see as the noise artifacts and image flicker make the picture jump up and down the screen are the real reason certain myths about certain activities and poor eyesight came to be.
When the first movie came out on VHS video, my friends asked me why I didn't buy it. I said "This is an obvious stopgap. They are clearly going to release a better, more fully-featured version in the future. I'm going to wait for that version. Only once I'm sure that it's the 'totally complete, fully featured' last version they are going to put out, will I buy it."
I'm still waiting. I've given a lot of my money to a lot of different movies in the years in-between, but somehow Lucas manages to convince me with every release that there's another, better release coming soon.
So now I'm waiting for the 3D version...
So this is one of those oh so often times when buying the two separately is slightly cheaper. Can't they nock down the price of all six to $129.99
Barf: Merchandising? What's that?
...we release the boxed set, and then... ...the Han shot version in uncut format, and then...
Yogurt: Moichandising! Come, I'll show you. [to the Dinks] Open up this door.
[Yogurt walks over to a wall filled with Spaceballs merchandise.]
Yogurt: Heh-heh. Come! We put the picture's name on everything!
Lucas: First, we release the individuals, and then...
Slashdotter: And then!!!
Lucas:
Slashdotter: Yes, and now what!?!
Lucas:
Slashdotter: Okay, okay, now what...
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But then most of these 'old classics' that are making the jump to "high def" BluRay are just upscales from old laserdisk (sub DVD quality) copies anyway. 'See the movie as you've never seen it before' is likely a byword for 'see the movie with all kind of crappy video artifacts that weren't noticable on your forgiving old 28" cathode ray tube TV but will just be painful to watch in glorious 60" high definition'.
There's a difference between scaling a DVD video and scaling the output of a 3D graphics chip. For a simple example of this, look at the God of War Collection on PS3. The 3D assets appear for the most part to be the original models from the PS2 versions. However, with more graphical power, it is possible to render at a higher resolution without so much loss of quality. However the prerendered cutscenes were upscaled from the original PS2 disc rather than being rerendered, so the difference is more apparent.
You must not have an HD TV. These days it's not difficult to get a 40-50+ inch HD TVs. Full 1080p bluray looks significantly different (and more clear) than upconverts. I'm not a videophile, but I can tell the difference.
As someone who has owned a video copy of SW since RCA Selectavision (gack), I welcome our new format overlords.
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Funniest slashdot post ever and I have no mod points.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
United States, Australia, and New Zealand improves.
WTF? Two tiny countries.
Two tiny yet industrialised and English-speaking countries that might revolt should all six major motion picture distributors abandon disc sales in favor of paid downloads. Besides, the United States isn't small; it's the majority of the anglosphere by population, yet broadband there is still considered a luxury, not an expectation.
I have yet to buy any... the local library had DVD copies last time I wanted to watch it and that took care of the issue. I don't know if I'll ever buy another copy ... my current TV is right on the edge (42 in.) of blu-ray offering a difference and since there's always "another edition" coming out, he's actually losing money on me since I have it in my head that "maybe I'll get the next one."
I'm going to wait 5 or 6 years and buy the 3D Blue-Ray editions. Because that's just what we need, Jar Jar Binks in 3D.
Anyone else find it funny that it's a penny cheaper to buy the two sets (and get extra packaging, to boot?
antipaucity
...most media groups release the "new digitally remastered" or the "20th anniversary edition with new interviews" and simply do it once. George has demonstrated how to successfully milk a cow even after it's desiccated.
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Pah, I remember when radios took time to warm up, when the dial was labeled Rugby, Hilversum, Luxemburg... I remember listening to my favorite radio station sinking in high seas...
(wait for somebody to trump me me with a crystal set).
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I bought a PS3 instead. That lets me play games, watch DVDs, and use netflix and hulu plus streaming. Also, with MediaLink for my Mac (I know there's a free app, but it never worked right for me) I can stream bootleg video over my home wifi network.
I write sci-fi for metalheads
The first sci-fi movie I remember seeing as a kid was They Live.
I write sci-fi for metalheads
My TV is 40" and the difference with blu-rays is still noticeable - I think the ratio of size of TV, current resolution, and viewing distance probably have a larger importance than the actual size of your TV.
Yeah I always thought the same, until I just gave up on the blu-ray, since it took so incredibly long to even bring out a DVD version, or at least that's what I thought.
which is totally what she said
And apparently overpriced to boot. Over at deals.woot.com they had The full saga as well as just the original trilogy, both on blu-ray through Amazon.
However, not only did they have them posted yesterday, they also had them for lower prices through the same vendor.
If we can't be at least as relevant as woot, why even bother reporting on this?
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I've been saying for years that ultimately, the system I describe below is the most fair and equitable for both consumers and studios.
Someone--probably either the government or a government-regulated entity--should set up a "copyright clearinghouse" for media such as movies. If you want to buy a movie, you play a license fee plus a media fee. So say you went out and bought the original Star Wars movie (Episode IV) on DVD for $15. That $15 would technically be, say, $12 for the unlimited private viewing license, plus $3 for the cost of the box, media, distribution, etc. Inside the DVD case you would get a code that you register with the clearinghouse so that they now know that you own the rights to watch Episode IV.
Okay, now let's say that you want to be able to stream it online. Instead of paying another $15, you only pay $3, which covers the cost of hosting and bandwidth for whoever it is streaming it to you. Want to Blu-ray version? Okay, that will be an extra $5. $2 of that $5 is the cost of upgrading your license to the high-def remastered version, and $3 of it is for the cost again of the media and distribution. Oh, now you want the whole original trilogy? Well, normally it's $45, but since you already own a license for Episode IV, you get $8 shaved off the license cost and only pay $37.
Content providers could offer discounts on license fees for things like stores that buy the licenses in volume, or for customers who buy several licenses for different products (e.g. a Star Wars/Indiana Jones bundle) at once. Retailers like Amazon could pass those discounts on to customers, or have bundle discounts by applying some of their cut of the media fee to the license fee as a loss leader.
Content providers win because there would be a shitload more legal copies of the premium editions of their products sold. Retailers win because their profit comes from a cut of the media fee, not the license, and more sales--even for lower amounts--means more money. Consumers win because when you buy a movie on physical media x today, you don't get screwed from having to re-buy it on media y tomorrow or media z in five years.
Some of you may have had pause when I mentioned the government being involved. The reason why the government needs to be involved is twofold. First, for this idea to work, there needs to be one and only one clearinghouse. Because it would be a monopoly, it would need to be regulated as such. Second, if it's solely a private company endeavor, it would take exactly three nanoseconds for that company to say, "Hey, you know, with all of this data on what media people own, we could make a killing if we sold it to marketing companies," and it would take either direct government ownership or strict government regulation to ensure that privacy is upheld.
>>>but if you watch the movie at normal size
I do too, but a lot of people watch the movie at large size on their 40 or 50 inch screens. Then DVD will show all the artifacts, and Bluray is the superior choice, especially since the difference is only 30-40 bucks. Might as well go with the BD player.
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Overall they are viewable and enjoyable.
It is Star Wars...
However, most of the added cgi "fluff" IS distracting, forced(pun very obviously intended), and doesn't really add to the original films.
They just appear as "Look! I can put kewl computer stuff in my old movies".
You know what? I don't even need these.
The saint known by me as "St. Adywon" has cured all my original trilogy needs. Tons of graphics fixes (light sabers cmoother coming out, laser blasts all fixed), enhancements(better space landscapes, burning on reentry, death star scene makes sense now), audio cleaned up, cool stuff added, etc. I mean this guy does Star Wars right. Even better than Lucas
here are the various download links. For best quality burn it to a dual layered DVD, should be DVD-9. Make sure to get the NTSC\PAL version as needed.
http://fanedit.info/SW.html
Look for STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 Special Edition REVISITED by Adywan
http://fanedit.org/517/
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This is the DL DVD NTSC
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This is seriously worth it! You can even watch side by side to see all the fixes. Adywon is my hero.
Oh yes ! Because I like very much stopping and zooming on movies. In fact I always do that each 5mn, so I can watch details, *that* is really much more entertaining - even if my GF disagrees.
Thanks you for proving it's bullshit.
Right, because that's what the poster was suggesting, that many of us like to zoom in while we watch movies.
There's no way that he was just pointing out that using the zoom helps exagerate the existing differences in detail in order to make them more obvious.
In fact, you can use similar techniques for 1 megapixel digital photographs or video games running at 640x480 resolution compared to those of higher resolution. If you zoom in, you can suddenly and miraculously see details that were *IMPOSSIBLE* to see before!
But I'm sure you're right, it's all just BS. 640 lines of of upscaled resolution is more than anyone will ever need.
>>>I like very much stopping and zooming on movies
You don't have to stop the playback to use Zoom. I've used it a couple times to see details in the background, or to make it fit my screen better.
>>>Thanks you for proving it's bullshit.
Shove it asshole. Although my screen is small, those persons using 40-50 inch screens can see DVD artifacts even without zoom. It's worthwhile to get the Bluray release with 2 and half times more resolution. For you to sit there and tell them, "You're wasting your money" makes you truly stupid.
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The cheapass Blu-Ray players are garbage you don't want to own. I got a Sharp originally $350 for like $90 and it was a total pile of shit, so the MSRP ain't a great guide either. Still, if a player is that cheap you know it's crap, usually with super-long disc load times and agonzingly slow BD-Live if it even has the feature.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I need to watch the Redletter Media review of Sith this weekend. I hear it's great. Whenever I feel the urge to pop in Star Wars, I do these instead.
Kwisatz Haderach
Sell the spice to CHOAM
This Mahdi took Shaddam's Throne
I cant wait to leech this and have my childhood pissed on once more!
>>>every disc and bd player you buy makes fat old [All the members of the Bluray Consortium] richer.
Fixed that for you. Unless you meant this? "Every DVD/CD and DVD/CD player you buy makes fat old [Sony and Philips] corp richer." If you buy Bluray, Sony actually makes very little money because the licensing profits are shared with several dozen companies. But if you buy their proprietary DVD/CD formats then Sony/Philips get rich.
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Isn't this already on torrents anyway? google HD torrents of Star Wars... What's so new then?
Blu-Ray players will improve and the audio is a huge improvement.
Anyone who says upconverted DVD is "just as good" can't do math.
Blar.
Only reason I keep my old DVD player is that it is region free.
I bought the cheap Sony BDP-360 (it's slow) and used Blu-Ray disks and prices look the same as DVD 5-7 years ago...with better quality.
Blar.
I'm with you there, I'm not planning to rebuy my DVD collection but bluray players finally got cheap enough that I can enjoy the copy of planet earth in HD I got on sale a year ago.
Degaussing scares the bad magnetism out of the monitor and fills it with good karma.
seeing the cut out where they masked the tie fighter flying around isn't cool and I remember that from some early versions of the film as sold to the public.
So I can see where he is coming from, if you start with the originals you will need to do all the work all over again to achieve the clarity that is needed to put it out on Blu-Ray. Some movies just don't cut it. Hi Def reveals lots of flaws and it makes some distracting.
What I do think he misses out completely on is that we want the story as originally presented. I don't give a rats ass about the effects, its the story I want unaltered, holes and all.
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The horse's ass looks much more detailed in HD. I can almost see the flies.
Huh?
I still chuckle when someone tells me they just bought a bluray player.
I ask why because
1. powerdvd (and it's equivalents) will upconvert
2. you can buy a upconvert dvd player for $35
My tinfoil hat tells me that they just want us to buy the same shit in a different format.
Blu-Ray looks nicer and it has greater storage for more extras. Your tinfoil hat is reporting properly, but you are at least getting more detail in your picture.
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Upscaling's a funny old business. My (1st gen US 60gig) PS3 upscales PS2 games and does a pretty decent job of it. Certainly, on a dull afternoon, I got my TV to display Final Fantasy X running on:
a) a PS2
b) the PS3, with upscaling to 720p
c) ePSXe2 via my laptop (with HDTV adapter), with upscaling to 720p
Of the three, b) looked by far the best. The worst was a), which looked very blurry and muddy on a 38 inch HDTV. Meanwhile, c) just looked odd, with a very sterile and angular look. I think the point I took from this is that upscaling techniques can vary significantly in terms of quality.
The reason there's so much difference is because, in the course of rendering a 3-D game, the textures on the models get scaled (usually down) anyway. Rendering the same scene at a higher resolution gives you the opportunity to better utilize that source data.
Upscaling a DVD is different: it's pretty much just image scaling. The source material doesn't contain the sort of information that would make the end result a better picture.
Bow-ties are cool.
The internet already killed the slow-mo nipple watch - who wants to go to all that effort when they have reams (sorry, poor choice of word) of free pr0n at their fingertips.
It's all about getting access to the specific nipples which stubbornly remain elusive.
Bow-ties are cool.
I have a bad feeling about this.
Wait, if the laserdiscs were sub DVD quality, then how did they make the DVDs?
or maybe you don't VALUE the higher res on video since that contributes maybe 5% to the actual movie watching experience.
you guys always forget this: content matters more.
Yeah... And if you want to actually [i]see[/i] all that content, your options are:
640x480 interlaced DVD image, anamorphically stretched to 16:9 and upscaled to the TV's resolution (but in the case of movies with really wide aspect ratios, there might be letterboxing, too - so you're taking your whole 1280x720 or 1920x1280 picture from a source image that's 640x480 or smaller, deinterlacing, etc.)
Blu-Ray disc, which can offer 24fps at 1920x1080 progressive scan, or higher frame rates at lower and/or interlaced resolutions.
Just about any movie ever on a reasonably-sized HD set will benefit from the extra pixels.
Bow-ties are cool.
Wow, a "people willingly buying a product" == "they are being robbed by someone invading their home" comparison. Well, this *is* Slashdot.
It's more like the guys over at Ain't It Cool News who bemoan all the crappy movies, and then when certain movies come out they are all "What a shitpile this thing will be. I can't wait to see it!" Derp.
There is a very noticeable difference between a blu-ray and upconverted DVD.
There's a very noticeable difference between a blu-ray and a 70-mm print projected on a 90-foot curscreen, too.
The blu-ray is going to be an order of magnitude sharper and clearer.
But since it includes scenes that aren't actually part of the movie, it's going to suck balls.
I'd go with the DVDs of the originals. I'd pay ten times as much for them. Which is to say I wouldn't give you two bucks for the broken versions.
I haven't watch any SW since I sat through Phantom Menace at the theater. It's an embarrassment to the geekverse that anyone still cares. Look, it was silly fun for a while, but then it went wrong and stupid. Abandon it already and move on. Sheesh.
>but the long wait at the start, the forced commecials and the draconian DRM are complete show-stoppers.
The wait at the start and the forced commercials can be just as bad on a DVD on players that adhere to the "specifications"
(But I grant you, I only started buying Blu-Rays after the draconian DRM was at least broken enough so that I could rip them to extract "Movie Only, thanks" versions. Same as it was with DVD when the originals are too annoying that way. And you can always just extract the tracks you want and re-encode them to X.264 if the are MPEG2 then they fit on a DVD9 most of the time, and definitely on a Single Layer BD-R )
>uprez'd dvd on a widescreen is very nearly the same
Depends on the screen. I definitely see a big difference in details. When for example on DVD you just see some whishy-washy-greenery in the background, on BD you see individual leaves and branches, almost as looking out of a window. (with a good Full-HD monitor or beamer of course)
It's not quite dead yet.
First off, the Netflix streaming content is a fraction of its library, which is a fraction of the universe of movies.
Second, at some point all that black-market filesharing is going to be shut down, probably when IP goes away and a secure network with real source identification is deployed. Only then will literally everything go online.
Until then, not all content will be available in a ripped form, and what is available won't be something everyone will be willing to use.
You have a shitty upconverter.
I can tell the difference between upconverted DVD and 720p HD, but it's slight. And on a 57-inch DLP (that renders 1080p in a crispness that scratches the bezel) at 13 feet it's almost indistinguishable.
If the original light isn't there, it's because the conversion to DVD was borked, not because of the up-conversion to BD.
Those comparison images aren't the same frame, by the way.
I don't want to waste my money on Blue-Ray... I am holding off until they come out with the Red 4K version. :)
A lot of the "more crap" now comes in ridiculously small form factors.
Blue-ray players are about as thick as your thumb, and a roku box is the size of a wireless access point.
I'm not sure why satellite converters and DVRs are still 2U high. Probably just marketing psychology. Their guts are half an inch thick, less the power transformer, which itself can shrink as it has for notebook power adapters. Hell, my cell phone could do that job.
They're still making receivers and amps with big transformers and capacitors (and tubes) in them, but the media sources are vanishing, physically.
I bought a PS3 instead. That lets me play games, watch DVDs, and use netflix and hulu plus streaming. Also, with MediaLink for my Mac (I know there's a free app, but it never worked right for me) I can stream bootleg video over my home wifi network.
My only problem w/ the PS3 for DVDs (or really any standard-def content) is that I am one of the (apparently) very few with a 4:3 HD CRT. It is capable of 1080i in a 16:9 region. Sadly, when playing SD content the PS3 just outputs to a 4:3 subset of this 16:9 area, and for some reason the TV doesn't let me zoom on the HDMI input to fill the screen. Fortunately nearly all of my DVD collection is anamorphic widescreen, but 4:3 content looks really dumb (back when I had Dish HD this wasn't a problem; unlike Sony, they managed to have it properly scale on the TV depending on whether I was watching 4:3 SD content or 16:9 HD content). So, I've still got a DVD player hooked up for SD videos.
I know, off-topic, but sometimes you just need to complain. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that the TV is made by Sony also, so you'd think it would play well with the PS3. Recently the TV seems to have had a stroke (best way I can describe it - the 16:9 picture kind of sags down on one side regardless of input) so I might talk the wife into springing for a new TV.
I bought SW, ES and RotJ on LD individually, then the "Definitive Edition LD Box Set", then the DVD Box Set. I will NOT PAY FOR THE SAME MATERIAL AGAIN. Lucas, you may have created the some of the most iconic scifi flicks in recent history, but WHAT HAVE YOU DONE LATELY?
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
Not without a soothing bath of buttdents remover, anyway.
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There was a post awhile ago that after the BD editions come out they are going to re-process it for yet another release in BD-3D.
Actually I have one of the best upconverters, I believe it's called a Radeon 5770. There's no denying that DVD looks better after being processed. However that same process will also make HD content look better, since there's more information to be processed. Higher resolution offers more benefits than just being able to see tiny details on screen, when more colours in the same area can be shown, they will blend better. The same goes for producing contrast. The only part of the processing that can't be applied to 720p and 1080p content is deinterlacing... because they're not interlaced.
I believe the notion is that Anakin Skywalker died at a young age when he was burned alive and finished his transformation into Darth Vader. Your force ghost represents how you looked when you died. It adds a Frankenstein element to Darth Vader, that he really was more machine than man.
More importantly, I guess, is that we actually get to see Anakin in the prequels, and from a story-telling perspective the audience needs to be able to recognize that ghost as Anakin - the only way that works is if the ghost is an image of Hayden Christensen.
I always kind of liked that Anakin's ghost was an older dude, I thought it fit better with him being an old friend of Obi-Wan... I sort of pictured Obi-Wan meeting a young Anakin (like around Luke's age) and some time later, the betrayal and Anakin turning to Vader. But I never had a clear picture of how much time was in between. 20 years? Seems a bit much, since Vader supposedly killed Anakin while both were still apprentices. (Judging from the fact that Vader was "just a learner" when they last met - he wouldn't have considered himself "just a learner" after being trained for 20 years, right?) So even looking at it just in terms of the information from the original trilogy, ignoring the information that was later presented in the prequels - A 40-something version of Anakin (not Vader) never existed. Certainly this isn't Anakin as Obi-Wan knew him... Is it what Anakin would have been, if he hadn't decided to be evil and gotten turned into a cyborg? Maybe... I don't think there's a clear answer to how Anakin's ghost should look, really. As Vader? As the mutilated human parts inside the Vader cyborg? As the middle-aged man he would have been? As the young man he was? It seems like all the options are equally valid. For the ghost to be the version of Anakin that Obi-Wan actually remembers seems kind of fitting. But for the ghost to be in a form Luke could identify as a father figure also seems fitting... <shrug>
Bow-ties are cool.
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Ben Franklin's not a Jedi, he's a Voodoo demon-sorcerer.
Bow-ties are cool.
I thought Han shot Greedo.
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In the BluRay version, Han only shoots Greedo's foot, and he steps on Jabba's back.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Episode 3 was the biggest cinematic missed opportunity I can think of. The whole point of the movie, and the whole point of the prequel trilogy, was to see how and why Anakin went to the dark side. It was the reason we stomached the first two awful movies and should have helped us find new way to look at the original 3 movies. If they could nail that scene, the rest of the garbage might have just been worth it. Instead, the big payoff scene was clumsy and unbelievable and it manages to make all of the prequels all the more pointless. Unless they can get that aspect right, tweaking the rest hardly matters.
Palpatine: So you see, Anakin, being evil offers terrific health benefits. If you needed, say, extensive prosthetic work, that would be covered with zero deductible. The pay is good, plus you have the opportunity to study obscure black arts and transfer the credits toward a degree program.
Anakin: I don't know... I'm not sure about the whole "conspiring to kill all my friends and comrades" thing. Won't that sort of go against everything I've stood for all my life?
Palpatine: Oh, let's not dwell on that... Think of the opportunities! Oh, and don't forget your lady is gonna die unless you take drastic, horrifying measures to save her. Remember what happened to your mom? How she was kidnapped and tortured in such a way that the timing of her death coincided exactly with your effort to rescue her? That's what happens if you delay your decision too long.
Anakin: Well, I know Padme is gonna hate me for this, but OK, you have a deal.
Palpatine: Good, good! Now, you need a cool Sith name. How about "Vader"?
Anakin: You seem to have given this some thought...
Palpatine: Oh, my, no... I'm just really good at this sort of thing... "Vader", "Tyranus", "Sidious", "Maul"... I could come up with names all day long.
Anakin: Wait, haven't I heard some of those before?
Palpatine: No, and neither have I. Now, for your first assignment, I'd like you to go slaughter a room full of children. This is a very important and challenging job, so I need to send someone who I know will be capable of seeing it through...
Bow-ties are cool.
First I have to invest in the 50" screen, and then the Lazik surgery. A little more than $30 there to make Bluray useful to me.
If I were inclined to buy Episodes 1-3 (which I'm not.. well, maybe 3, it was okay)
Your definition of "okay" includes the following.
You are so beautiful.
It's only because I'm so in love.
No, no! It's because I'm so in love with you!
So love has blinded you?
That's not what I meant!
Please reevaluate your definition of the word "okay".
I thought all the stupid romance crap was in the second, sorry. From the third I just remember some sneaky Jedi action, a whole bunch of clone troopers, and Anakin going DO NOT WAAAAAAAAAANT
which is totally what she said
Han shot first
Poor Gen Z'ers will never know the pleasing fart of a VHS sliding into its cardboard sleeve.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
paid again for the DVD, and since the unmolested versions of EPsIV-VI aren't in high definition anyway, it doesn't make sense to replace the DVDs.
here is another reason not to upgrade: I have a HD projector and a huge screen. The SW films on DVD look very good on a large screen. The encoding on the regular DVD versions of the films seems to be pretty good, so unless you are some sore of videophile, you will probably be happy with the results.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
"Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray will be available for $139.99 US/$179.99 CAN and the Star Wars: Trilogy Sets for $69.99 US/89.99 CAN. Pricing for each set will vary by international territory."
Excuse me Lucas? The dollar is above parity. YOUR dollar is worth LESS than mine, not ~30% MORE!
I had no intention of giving Lucas another dime of my money, but this makes me even more determined.
I did find this quote interesting:
'Flanked by a legion of his finest Imperial stormtroopers, Darth Vader himself joined Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment President Mike Dunn at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) to announce the release, vowing "The forces of the Empire will be at your disposal to assure the success of this endeavor."'
So Fox and Lucas are allied with the dark side...
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But then most of these 'old classics' that are making the jump to "high def" BluRay are just upscales from old laserdisk (sub DVD quality) copies anyway. 'See the movie as you've never seen it before' is likely a byword for 'see the movie with all kind of crappy video artifacts that weren't noticable on your forgiving old 28" cathode ray tube TV but will just be painful to watch in glorious 60" high definition'.
That may be true for old movies, but there are plenty of new movies that look much better on bluray than they do on dvd. Which makes a bluray player a worthwhile purchase for someone who watches new movies.
not to mention that if you rip them to your NAS, the industry has now just DOSd your storage system with extra data bits that you can't even see or resolve on the tv and definitely 100% guaranteed that your audio system isn't up to 'linear track 24bit' standards. ie, they force you to take 40-50gb for a movie when its just not reasonable.
Although it's definitely true that the encodes on Blu-Ray are very poor in their usage of the overall bitpool, you can usually do a complete movie-only rip in about 20GB. It's then trivially easy to re-compress the movie using a much lower average bitrate but still retain every bit of the quality, and end up at about 12GB. For the vast improvement in both picture and sound quality, it is definitely worth about double the space of a DVD.
Or, you could reduce the resolution to 720p, drop the lossless audio tracks, and every movie (including things like the director's cut of the LotR movies) will then fit in less than 8GB, with most less than 4GB.
uprez'd dvd on a widescreen is very nearly the same with none of the down-sides of BD
You really haven't watched HD material on a good large HDTV much, have you? The quality jump from DVD to even 720p is enormous. Not to mention that some Blu-Ray releases have cleaned up the film for the transfer (nothing new, just better quality). For me, the most striking has been the movie "Stargate". The Blu-Ray has correct color, no edge enhancement, and makes the DVD look pretty much like VHS.
no one here is old enough to remember before earbuds and stereo
Incorrect; I am, and there are guys here older than me.
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... Why do SW fans seek out crap like the 1977 special, and yet also howl in agony when they have to watch Jar Jar for 5 minutes? I mean, have you really watched the SW special? It is PAINFUL. Jar Jar is like 3% of episode 1.
If I had a gun to my head and was forced to watch one or the other, I would pick episode 1...no wait, I would just take the bullet.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
I won't buy either set until DVD can no longer be played, and the player I have stops working. Have I spent a fortune on the sets?
NO!
I waited until the DVD set of the original trilogy was relased that had older versions of the movie. The CG used in special edition is glaring in the sense it doesn't match the rest of the film: watch the scene added of the fighters in space on their way to the Death Star in A New Hope. My beef was that, and not that Holo shot first stuff.
Did I mention I waited until Amazon had them on sale, and that it was after the VHS set I had(orignal trilogy in a VHS release before Special Edition) finally stopped working. So Lucas isn't seeing much from me at all. I'm not an idiot that will buy every relase, and I'm only OCD about cleaning, organization, and logic.
but the long wait at the start, the forced commecials and the draconian DRM are complete show-stoppers.
? The long wait on my PS3 is about 3-5 seconds on the hundreds of blu rays I have watched. The commercials are all skippable by pressing the menu button, with the exception of the stupid FBI and Interpol warnings.
DRM can certainly be viewed as a show stopper though.
No, again the internet provides. Someone has already done all the work of obtaining the clearest screen cap possible and cataloging pretty much any specific nipple by movie for you.
Then you might have posted "if you watch a movie at normal size with suboptimal vision on a small TV, as I tend to do" to be clear about the situation here.
Toshiba was getting more of the royalties off DVD than Sony. Sony and Philips were the primary IP holders on CD, but not on DVD. That was the underpinning of the whole blu-ray - HD-DVD war. Toshiba wanted to extend their existing format and royalty structure into the HD world.
Let's see you name two blu-rays of movies which anyone has heard of for which that is true.
Virtually all blu-rays of any notable movie, even an "old classic", are made from a minimum of a crappy old 2k scan from the '90s created for purposes of either HD broadcast or DVD mastering, not from SD laserdisc material.
Some suck pretty bad, but BDs which are sub DVD quality are virtually non-existent.
It's not quite dead yet.
In fact, it thinks it will go for a walk.
How does 720p enter into a discussion about blu-ray vs. DVD?
Oh, and move your couch up.
Yeah... And if you want to actually [i]see[/i] all that content, your options are:
640x480 interlaced DVD image
I think virtually every DVD player on the market now does 3:2 pulldown and re-integrates the fields on DVD into proper full progressive frames for film based material. Unless you're using an interlaced display, in which case why are you even looking at blu-ray players?
If you are in any position to nitpick, then the movie has failed regardless of "image quality".
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
That kind of requires that the new movies are something worth owning to begin with.
The prequel trilogy is a fine example of this problem.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
You are aiming for a pretty low bar there.
There are plenty of BD reviews out there that basically come of us "why bother with another release" when it comes to video quality.
Star Trek II and Clockwork Orange fit into that category.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Your entirely factual and accurate post omits the fact that DVD audion encoding (Dolby Digital and basic DTS) use lossy compression. Blu-rays are typically lossless compression (Dolby TruHD, DTS-HD MA or MLP). A lot of BDs are still 16 bit, though, I would guess 24 bit are a minority.
Can't objectively comment on whether it is a lie by your standards, though, since I unfortunately have a sound system the cost 5 figures, so that must be why I hear a major difference.
These are the new censored / altered versions of the films. In lieu of other recent events, Lucasfilms decided to rewrite some of the scenes because some people were uncomfortable with the terminology in the earlier versions. With these new versions, teachers will be able to show these movies without feeling awkward.
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Some of the changes include
- The word "slave" will be replaced with "indentured servant"
- Princess Leia no longer in metal bikini in episode VI, wearing a Victorian dress
- All ewoks, wookies and other humanoid-looking aliens will now be wearing a loincloth (at the very least), even if they don't appear to have genetalia
- Darth Vader will now don a racially sensitive multi-colored rainbow suit, so we don't infer or suggest that black is the color of evil
- Any offensive phrases or insults will be modified as to not insult nerf herders, or anyone else. For example, the phrase : "Why you stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf-herder!" - will be replaced with : "Why you highly self esteemed, intellectually challenged, unkempt appearing person that moves large animals with a cane!"
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No. In fact there are some quotes from Lucasfilm that these are being sourced from 2K masters made for HD broadcast some years ago, and that no additional remastering will take place until it is done for the 3D versions.
These will look better than the DVDs, but there will be a better looking version later.
Don't have a cite handy, so Google it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKNrK53uA84
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Let me make this short and sweet. George Lucas isn't a filmmaker. A real filmmaker has an appreciation for his creation and its significance within our culture. He treats it with respect. Lucas, OTOH, has taken every opportunity he can to take the original trilogy, rip them apart, stuff them with cheap special effects, repackage them, and sell them yet again. That behavior, as reprehensible as it is, can almost be forgiven if he had the decency to keep the original versions--the ones we all remember from our childhood--available. But NO, he refuses to do that. He is essentially spitting in the face of every Star Wars fan out there by denying them the opportunity to watch the unaltered, un-bastardized versions of the films they love and denying them the opportunity to show their children these cinematic gems. No, this man is not a true filmmaker with an appreciation of his creations and respect for the millions who enjoy those films; he's a shameless, money-grubbing hack who has made a mockery of his films and has essentially given their fans the finger.
I will not buy this man's dreck. I have downloaded rips of the old laserdiscs and burned those to disc. The quality is pretty awful, but at least they're the original films, and these are the ones I plan to show to my kids, and when they ask me why the quality is so bad, I'll tell them what George Lucas did and use it as an object lesson as to why unbridled greed and hubris are bad things.
Yeah, they'll only get the fart when they pull out their cardboard Steve ;)
which is totally what she said
Yeah... And if you want to actually [i]see[/i] all that content, your options are:
640x480 interlaced DVD image
I think virtually every DVD player on the market now does 3:2 pulldown and re-integrates the fields on DVD into proper full progressive frames for film based material. Unless you're using an interlaced display, in which case why are you even looking at blu-ray players?
Yeah, deinterlacing. My point is that the source image is still only 240 pixel rows of new content per 1/60 of a second.
Of course, you're right, if it's a film source (24fps encoded into 60fps interlaced via telecine) there's no reason a good DVD player can't detelecine the video and get back the original 24fps content at 480p. I didn't think of that.
Bow-ties are cool.
Ironic, that the guy who's still complaining about a movie that came out eleven years ago is telling people to "move on".
Xenon, where's my money? -Borno
So you're saying that a clumsy 30 second scene ruined a two hour movie?
Xenon, where's my money? -Borno
I'm in the same boat as you and feel the same way. I've paid enough for these movies many times. AFAIAC I already legally own them. My suggestion to everyone is that they download the Bluray versions off the net and when the feds knock on your door call the ACLU and EFF and tell the authorities you already legally own the film. No jury would convict, and I reckon the MPAA wouldn't like to make this a test case for fear of setting a precedent.
for someone who seems to be all about technological advances per cinema, why is lucas always so late to the game with home video releases? sure he wanted to wait till the blu-ray v. hd-dvd war was won, but that was like 2 years ago. how long did it take for a dvd release? that guy can fuck right off.
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No. In fact there are some quotes from Lucasfilm that these are being sourced from 2K masters made for HD broadcast some years ago, and that no additional remastering will take place until it is done for the 3D versions.
These will look better than the DVDs, but there will be a better looking version later.
Don't have a cite handy, so Google it.
Interesting. Thanks for the tip!
Wow! Could you overreact a little more? I merely mention TPM was the last SW I watched, and you act like I went on a multipage rant about it. Seriously, how high were you when you posted that, and can I get some?
How about evil Jar Jar Binks as shown from the last Robot Chicken Star Wars episode? See the short clip on YouTube.
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