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97 Tech Companies Including Apple, Google, Microsoft Call Travel Ban Unlawful In Rare Coordinated Legal Action (washingtonpost.com)
An anonymous reader shares a WashingtonPost report: Silicon Valley is stepping up its confrontation with the Trump administration. On Sunday night, technology giants Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Netflix, Twitter, Uber and many others filed a legal brief opposing the administration's contentious entry ban. The move represents a rare coordinated action across a broad swath of the industry (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternate source) -- 97 companies in total -- and demonstrates the depth of animosity toward the Trump ban. The amicus brief was filed with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, which is expected to rule within a few days on an appeal by the administration after a federal judge in Seattle issued late Friday a temporary restraining order putting the entry ban on hold. The brief comes at the end of a week of nationwide protests against the plan -- as well as a flurry of activity in Silicon Valley, a region that sees immigration as central to its identity as an innovation hub.From a TechCrunch report: Notably absent from the list of 97 companies are several who met with Trump prior to his inauguration: Amazon, Oracle, IBM, SpaceX and Tesla. Although Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos was highly critical of Trump prior to his election, he has not spoken out against the immigration policy. Oracle CEO Safra Catz is serving as an advisor to the Trump transition team, while SpaceX and Tesla CEO Elon Musk has defended his decision to remain on an advisory council for Trump.
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Why don't we just allow them to get exemptions for anyone they have that qualifies as a truly highly skilled employee that they can't get locally and be done with it? Personally I feel there wouldn't be that many and this is actually about cheap labor.
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all those big wig IT executives that want to open the floodgates for refugees open their homes and guest houses to refugees, they can sleep in your spare bedrooms and eat your food, use your couch and TV, or if that inconveniences you too much maybe you can buy homes and supply them with the money to live since you want them here so god damned bad
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97 Tech companies lament the loss of one cheap immigration stream.
Companies don't do this because they have deeply held legal or ethical principles. They do it because one side of the case makes them more money than the other.
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Of course CEOs want cheap migrant labor to handle their lawn, swimming pools, Rolls Royces, and of course, coding...
over here. What do I owe them? Throw them out!. Go President Trump.
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I'm sure that the thought of paying market rates for labor is abhorrent for these sociopathic corporations. I also know that Trump is just trying to both punish Silicon Valley for being Democrats and subsequently pave the way for future extortion of campaign contributions from these same companies.
Anyone that even states they will meet with Trump are faced by backlash, protests, and boycotts.
The idea of forcing Trump to stay solely within his echo chamber just shows that these whiny people and businesses (including all the people that threaten to boycott anyone that might even sing at a Trump event) are nothing more than pouting children.
I hope Trump just keeps moving forward. These are not people that will ever be satisfied or content with Trump. There is no reason to cater to them at all.
The next presidential decrete sets the number of H1-B visas to be given out the next 4 years to 0, while congress gets to pass a law to end the H1-B visas completely.
Unconstitutional, I can understand, or even calling it just plain wrong, but unlawful?
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
1. Who the fuck cares? Companies, despite being granted extraordinary powers under Obama's tenure, don't get to declare things legal or illegal.
2. Silicon Bangalore can go fuck itself.
While this condemnation of the travel ban is laudable, I don't think that it will have much impact on Mr. Trump simply because he is something of a Luddite - don't forget that through the Clinton email scandal, Mr. Trump declared that he thinks computers are overused for communication and, other than Twitter, it doesn't seem like he uses anything other than paper.
Along with this, I suspect that if you were to look at where these companies' employees were situated, you would discover that they would be overwhelmingly in constituencies which didn't vote for him which really makes their value to him in retaining power negligible. If it is extremely unlikely that they would support him.
So, if he doesn't see the value of the technology being represented by these companies and nobody in them votes for him, why would anybody think this would have affect on him or anybody in his administration?
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First red flag here - why are only tech companies doing this? Where are the other blue chip companies? if this is a huge problem for teh US, and is unlawful, why is the only sector speaking up the same sector that imports the most foreign workers on restricted visas?
It is another example of the absolute greed that afflicts the IT sector. They are afraid that they will not be able to hire maggots because the maggot wranglers will not be able to get enough visas to replace American workers.
Add them to the list of companies who have acted against the interests of the American people for their own benefit. The reckoning is coming soon.
Isn't it interesting that Republicans are opposed to government regulations or anything that stands in the way of companies making more money, except when it gets in the way of one of their racist agendas. Then the regulations can't come fast enough.
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I'm not particularly certain that with offshored tax accounts and foreign workers that these companies have much if anything to do with canada/america anymore. Why not just revoke their corporate charter if they've become a cored out shell for foreign national interests operating on our soil? We don't need name brand particularly just their patents and engineering processes. Why not gut these companies which are infested with foreign workers, and seed a plethora of micro local companies that encompass both business and production logic/work? After all we pay taxes because we desire a unified over control that is in our interest enjoined by patriotism and legal framing to enhance and empower the people who pay the taxes. If these multinationals no longer operate within that environment of control and are no longer interested in our well being they should be dismantled and reborn anew as a local entity with the foreign corruption cannibalized, the people returned to their respective lands, the corporate charter revoked, the patents opened and a special dispensation of their aquired engineering data as well so any physical product they produced can continue production for the public.
Of course
Hurry up and do it. There's nothing special about Silicon Valley. Those talented people you want to keep out will find other places to go that are more friendly to building global businesses.
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List of countries comes from Section 217(a)(12) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (Signed by Obama)
Section 212(f) of the INA, U.S. Code 1182 - Inadmissible aliens: "Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."
Congress already approved the, Trump just invoked it.
Non-citizens of this country have no affirmative right to reenter this country. Is it in the constitution? Is it in the bill of rights? It's not. If you have a visa or green card, we don't have to let you come back. Heck, it even says it on your visa application page:
Question: "After I have my visa, I will be able to enter the U.S., correct?
Answer: "A visa does not guarantee entry into the United States. A visa allows a foreign citizen to travel to the U.S. port-of-entry, and the Department of Homeland Security U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) immigration inspector authorizes or denies admission to the United States."
So this lawsuit is FUD, it's a bunch of leftist companies whining, pissing, and moaning that they can't get their cheap labor or doing their SJW duties. The only saving grace for the leftist is SC is split between 4 leftist, 2 rightist, and 2 RINOs...
*Please note before you start attacking me. I for open borders, but only after we: 1) Remove the federal welfare system completely, 2) make citizenship easier to obtain. I have no issue with Trumps temporary ban, considering all of the nations listed are failed states. Kind of hard to ask those governments who these people are when they're engulfed in civil wars (or there is no government).
President's can't make law, that's the job of the legislative branch (congress) not the executive branch. That's why they're called Executive Orders rather than laws, and yes, they can be both unlawful AND unconstitutional (and just plain wrong).
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Something tells me this is not out of the goodness of their heart or the will to uphold the law.
I question their motives greatly and I would suggest that they should not be involving themselves in the political arena to this degree.
I've not checked but I'm guessing most of these companies hold SJW principles too dearly?
I noticed that one of the countries that are in the Trump list is Iraq. Lots of refugees there caused by the destabilization of the country caused by some other country invading it. I wonder what country that was? Then there is another country where the 9-11 terrorists came from that isn't affected by the travel ban. I wonder why that is? Could someone in this administration have a financial interest in this country? Nah, I can't believe something like that. Administration folks are good honest outstanding citizens to have any conflict of interest.
"Corporations are evil. If a bunch of corporations all want something, it must be disastrous for regular people."
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I'm a bit disturbed to see Musk sucking up to Trump. Does anyone have a reliable source on why he's doing it?
My guess is that he has no choice. One of his companies (SpaceX) depends a lot on government money. Trump could deeply damage it with a penstroke by excluding it from ISS resupply missions, or forbidding it to compete for national security launches. His other company (Tesla) does not go well with Trump's love for the oil industry.
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They're just pissed they won't be able to import more wage slaves and will have to pay Americans fair wages.
The leaders of these companies should do time in jail for illegally replacing American workers with H1-B visa workers, just to save money. The law is already very clear and they have abused it massively.
Now to be Republican you have to be pro Federal Legislation and anti Big Business?
It is how we stole your core white, working class voters. The election of President Trump is a remarkable political achievement.
If you have an issue with the list of countries affected, you may want to take up with the adminstration who made the list (in 2015) or the president who signed it (Obama).
Trump put a temporary travel restriction on countries that Barak Hussein Obama identified as sources of terrorists.
I have no opinion on the policy either way, because I'm not FBI and don't have the data in front of me. I *am* of the opinion that we should discuss the facts as they are, not pretend that Trump made the list this month when it was in fact made by Obama's people two years ago.
....and lift us up so much, then why couldnt they contribute to and lift up THEIR OWN country? They were already there! They've had CENTURIES of a head start on us. If they don't fight for THEIR country, what makes you think they'll fight for ours?
This is not a "rare" coordinated action. They are once again taking orders from the Muslim Brotherhood to appease their Saudi investors.
/v/ just yesterday dug up another Saudi prince in Games For Change, the video game propaganda house linked to the US State Department and started by a money laundering family. This was attached to a report that someone is getting money from the Department of Education to create games that promote Islam. The prince was introduced with great praise by the head of Zynga, which is on this list along with several of the tech companies most notorious for data mining and political censorship. There are too many of these coincidences for them all to be coincidences.
Hmm list of TBTFs make extra legal argument to try and influence what should be a narrow legal question about the scope of a 1952 immigration act.
It does not matter if you or anyone else things the action is a good idea. What matters is a very simple Question of did the legislation enacted by congress give the president the power to do what he did or not. Washington State and these mega corps are conflating irrelevant issues and trying to get the courts to act outside the law. They don't care about the rule of law. They care about their influence and want to prove theirs is greater than POTUS.
This is ACTUAL fascism folks, what these corporations are doing right here. Judge James Robart ought to be impeached, because he never should have issued a stay on something so impactful when the legal challenge is as weak as it is. I don't care who appointed him or how unanimously he was confirmed. Those things also are not relevant, the only thing that matters is can and will he do his job today and he showed he cant!
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These companies are only interested in how it affects their bottom line. They can bring in H1B visa workers cheaper than they can hire American workers. This keeps downward pressure on salaries in the tech sector. Its about time this artificial suppression of tech workers' salaries was curbed and the greedy super-rich companies stop taking food, opportunity and jobs from the American workers' mouth.
The fact is, it is a LAWFUL order and has been for a very long time.
For the last 15+ years, the constant /. post has been corporations have too much power and are making the rules in DC. If ONLY we could get someone in the White House to stand up to corporate interests.
Well, here you go, without apology Trump is doing JUST that. And now, the corporations should be making the rules and running things and we need to get rid of Trump because he won't do what the corporations want. Just like the day he trashed the TPP and the number of posts saying how great the TPP was and how Trump trashing it was going to help China.
You all on /. are complete idiots just repeating what the mainstream news tells you to, because for some reason you think it makes you sound smart.
Read up on the McCarran–Walter Act. POTUS has the authority to do this.
Wait, how is Oracle on the list of passive collaborators? I understand their CEO is a bit of a prick but even he ought to realize that Oracle wouldn't exist if Trump's ban was in effect 40 years ago, since one of the founders of Oracle is an Iranian immigrant. Even Trump Towers wouldn't exist in its current form in Muslims were banned since all modern skyscrapers are based on Fazlur Khan's tubular structural design.
As for SpaceX and Tesla .. at least Elon is rationalizing that one.
IBM -- what can we expect, they are simply upholding tradition .. I mean collaborated with the Nazi Germany.
Amazon -- Jeff Bezos probably too busy with his drones to know wtf is happening.
And how many of those companies are frothing at the mouth over Trumps proposed tax holiday that'll let them bring their money back?
They are BOTH psychopaths who kill others for their personal profit!
They're just pissed it might screw with their cheap h1b labor, even though THAT doesn't even have anything to do with the content of the executive order, what they're really worried about is what comes next, the administration actually vetting new h1'b not just for security issue, but for actual need, of which there is very very little.
Thanks... I was trying to find a list of all the employers abusing the H1B visa program.
I believe that before we give residency status to foreigners (particularly men), that they serve in the active armed forces. We need to know which way they'll shoot in case of a conflict.
Trump has a much better understanding of the practical implications of the use of computers for communications than Clinton, her staff and most of her supporters. He is suspicious of them for a reason --- the NSA has been snooping on everybody for ages and the CIA with the help of AT&T and other telecom companies know all about who you are talking to.
All the wailing and gnashing of teeth about travel bans is just virtual signaling (travel to and from those places are a tiny, tiny fraction of what they do as an enterprise), H1-B visas on the other hand is their prime tool to keep salaries down and workers in line. If Trump offers to zero all H1-B visas and rescind all the rest, all those tech compaines will be just as unhappy, maybe even more as they don't have a fig leave to disguise their too motivation.
Small wonder they object -- the open secret in the tech industry is that they're using H-1Bs to generate a slave caste in the tech industry.
It's not just about the lower wages. It's also about the fact that these employees aren't allowed to quit.
Trump has openly said he will be going after H-1B abuse, and any restrictions in travel means they can't find some bright but desperate young adults from Europe and abuse the hell out of them. Turns out there's a bit of swamp in Silicon Valley, too.
The hostility towards citizens in tech (if not just Silicon Valley) isn't more obvious than this. They depend on a steady stream of people that they can easily control in ways not possible with US citizenship. If these firms really cared about immigration, they would encourage them to become citizens, not transients working for some foreign paymaster.
Never mind that the list includes about every major abuser of guest worker law, especially "forced training for severance" Disney. I hope that Trump turns the dial up to 11 and uses the laws that are available to him.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
These companies might want to be careful with this move. They keep claiming they're not overlooking/bypassing/not hiring U.S. workers for cheaper, overseas labor, yet here they are claiming this ban will affect their operations because they rely heavily on workers from these countries.
They claim there is a shortage of tech workers, and have been for decades, yet each year thousands of workers are laid off and thousands of new graduates enter the workforce. To claim they can't find someone while at the same time screaming they need to have these overseas workers to fill slots is disingenuous and hypocritical and does nothing to help their case.
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It's not just "no American", it's "no American available to fill the post" for a given price
The citizens are quite available, the companies have to quit being picky.
while stats keep saying that these companies that are supposedly abusing the system are mostly whit
Easy to say that when the firm contracts out to a body shop, thus rendering any and all calculations invalid.
You can argue that companies should be required to help Americans move to fill posts
Even if it's entry-level work, I'd have no problem with that.
Make it such a royal PITA to not [directly] hire a citizen for an FTE position that they don't bother with non-citizens.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Trying to confuse enforcement of law and patriotism with racism says more about you than anything else.
If anything, there need to be painful-to-approach barriers to using foreign help for a while - to the point where it starts looking like the dotcom era for decades.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Yea, I'm sure Apple will go under unless it can get those 50 computer hardware engineers from Somalia (Well known for its tech leaders)
Meanwhile over 100+ people killed in Paris from refugees from Syria, but you all are claiming since it hasn't happened in the US then there are no terrorist with the refugees, despite OVERWHELMING evidence in Europe of the opposite.
Go back to shilling for the corporations, and more H1Bs because protecting US citizens and getting them jobs is apparently the most evil and racists things that a president can possibly do. There was a FAIR election and you LOST. That means your policies don't get put into place, no matter how much of a fit you throw or how many universities you set on fire because you don't want a gay foreigner to be able to speak.
Liberals hate gays (Milo and Thiel), they hate US citizens, and they really hat the US middle class. That is what I've seen from them since Trump has been elected.
Microsoft, Apple, Google do not pay taxes so how come they are allowed to have a voice?
And Levi's does not even make their over-priced clothes in the USA anymore. Their clothes are made via slave labor in countries like Vietnam. How can they have a voice concerned about Americans when they really don't?
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He seems to be uniting radicals on both coasts who never were divided about our foolish giveaways to terrorist counties. The Trump heartland just yawns and wonders what the fuss is all about, enabling a multi-national lifestyle?
97 Companies... So close. Just three more, 100 companies, and the White House would get a set of free steak knives.
Who thinks that Trump really wanted to ban anyone, and who thinks that he wanted to demonstrate to his voters that he is good for what he promised, and now the evil tech companies are stopping him?
He can only win with such actions. In the eyes of his supporters, he is the good guy, whether someone stops him or not. And in the eyes of his enemies, there is nothing to lose anyway. And thanks for a century of the two-party-system, there aren't many left who are inbetween and could be convinced of joining his camp. You're either in it already, or you won't go there anyway.
Obama unsuccessfully tried the "election is over, let's all work together" approach. Trump has a completely different approach: "You voted against me, so I don't give a fuck what you think".
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I work in the tech industry like many here on this board. I think opposing the order was the right thing. opposing it, is more than just about so called "cheap labor"
for the tech industry. for one it sets president, of what an executive order can or should do. this is not a dictatorship, we have laws and processess and they are not
being followed.
is it possible, that the H1B program is being abused? well yea, no shit sherlock. lets dig into that and find out where and why. blanket banning like was done,
was done without thought, logic or reasons. hell the places with the most exported terrorist where not on the lists which also line up nicely as places trump
does business odd hunh? so trump gets to make sure all the places he does business with are not listed, but everyone else just has to take it? not how it works
and the tech companys and states are fighting back.
welcome to the legal system...
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This is terrible! Very sad! Stand with Trump against Silicon Valley TRAITORS!
Smash all items that represent them! Mail them a picture of of your deeds to send a message! Smash your iphone, your XBOX, your playstations, your android and windows phones, your MAC, your PCs. Vow to NOT HELP these folks with your purchases! DoublePlusGood for everyone!!
See e.g. Yahoo Finance. One of the strongest according to the article.
I understand feminism as a political movement that:
1) insists that women are victims, thus encouraging a victim mentality
2) insists that women deserve special treatment, thus encouraging an entitlement mentality.
If I am incorrect on these points, could you please correct me? No links to novels please, something trenchant, clear, and supported. Thanks.
"a region that sees immigration as central to its identity as an innovation hub". Immigration from war-torn and terrorism-infested nations is somehow source of innovative talent? Or there is an underlying fear that this is just the beginning?
(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
There is nothing to argue here folks. It is completely legal for him to suspend entry of any alien or class of aliens, including Resident Aliens (green cards). The judges will have to overturn 60 years of precedent supporting the Immigration and Nationalization Act, which they simply will not be able to do and maintain any appearance of interpretive integrity.
Very good analysis.
It is why the UK's IR35 tax regulation was enacted, the group most likely impacted I.T. Workers were not not seen as Labour voters.
The issue with TPP was that he wanted out of it (yay!) but for the stupidest-imaginable reason possible (and it turns out the reason matters a lot in this case, because it has infected a bunch of his other policies to the point where they look over-the-top retarded).
I'm all for totally destroying overly-broad "trade" treaties (and treaty-like agreements) since they tend to be used as an excuse for the US "having to" enact crazy (and plaintly evil) laws. DMCA is an infamous example of that (it was required by the WIPO treaty) that most Slashdotters ought to be familiar with, but all the modern trade agreements have plenty of nonsense in them, unrelated to free trade. I view these things as attempts to circumvent democracy and public debate. TPP was overflowing with this bullshit, as we saw when the sorded details started leaking.
(Leaking! Just the idea that our future laws can be "leaked" to is, instead of imposed on the government by us, ought to outrage every American from the furthest left to the furthest right.)
A trade agreement should be something basically like "We won't have tariffs on your stuff, if you don't put tariffs on ours."
The problem with Trump is that while he wants to get us out of these ridiculous agreements, it's because he's against trade! (Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!) Anyone who is against free markets is going to take a lot of heat from most Americans, since freedom is one of the few things that we at least say we're actually united on. I realize we don't all practice what we preach, and voters proved that in November -- but as long as he works against freedom, he's going to have to accept that many Americans are going to work against him.
As if a sizable fraction of /. even knows whatever the "mainstream news" is telling anyone. If you think America has too much freedom and our "greatness" will require a little Lenin/Stalin style planning to tune the labor market to your needs, fine. But don't blame the media for everyone else opposing it.
I'm particularly amused that you think this travel ban is something the media made up, rather than something Trump got caught actually trying to do. It's not real? Dude, you can read the president's own tweets. He hasn't ever claimed that it's an imposter, has he?
Where were these people when Bush and Obama started bombing these countries, or then Obama instituted a similar travel ban? You allow this shit for 16 years, but oooh nooooh, "teh travel ban is evil"! Fucking hypocrites!
More fake news from the left. It isn't a BAN, it's a PAUSE, until people are CHECKED PROPERLY. But that's ok...the left is still ticked off the winner of the popular election didn't win, even though we've NEVER in the history of the USA ever elected someone via the popular election. That's not surprising since the Constitution and the real history of the USA isn't taught anymore. Poor little snowflakes...go to your safe space. Adults are in charge of government.
The H1B is to find particular SKILLS, not particular KNOWLEDGE. Your visa is based on straight-forward fraud.
The reason for those particular counties that OBAMA picked is that they do not have adequate intelligence sharing for us to adequately vet people.
I think we all remember this wonderful little bit of action from our moral, just, righteous tech giants. Funny how 97 companies failed to band together to condemn this actual, confirmed violation of the law. What's the total settlement so far, $515 million or so. This is nothing more than posturing to keep cheap labor. They do not care about right and wrong. Only money. Full stop.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/02/disney-will-pay-out-100m-over-wage-suppression-claims/
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/09/us-busts-google-apple-intel-over-secret-employee-poaching-pact/
U.S. Code: Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter II, Part II, Section 1182
(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
"Notably absent from the list of 97 companies are several who met with Trump prior to his inauguration: Amazon"
Did anyone vet this journalism? It omitted a very relevant and important detail: Amazon didn't sign the amicus brief, but they sure did take a stand by filing one of the motions that contributed to the ruling by Judge Robart in Seattle: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3440036-19717300844.html
"Although Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos was highly critical of Trump prior to his election, he has not spoken out against the immigration policy."
That statement is 100% false, Bezos made unequivocal statements: https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/30/amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-says-trumps-immigration-order-is-one-we-do-not-support/
And that is from techcrunch a WEEK earlier. Check your facts, Slashdot.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...
8 U.S. Code  1182 ...
(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
Now, whether this is unconstitutional is up to the courts, but in the last 60 years the courts have ROUTINELY upheld the President's right to limit immigration. I don't see how the courts are all of a sudden so interested in reversing half a century of precedent.
I know you're suggesting right in the boss's home, but be careful what you ask for.
Given that here in Canada there were many cases of people coming in on TFSW (Temp Foreign Service Workers) that *were* being housed in accommodation provided by the employer/manager, it makes things even worse. Bosses were playing fast-and-loose with rent VS pay. Screwing employees on rent. Cramming unreasonable/illegal numbers of people into a dwelling, and basically playing both employer and slumlord at the same time.
Super rich companies with huge bank accounts complain they can't get dirt cheap 3rd world labor anymore. Boo hoo. Cry me a river.
Under the Constitution, Congress and in particular, POTUS has wide discretion in determining who is allowed into the U.S. (by definition, anyone who is not a U.S. Citizen or Lawful Resident has no authority to be in the U.S. if POTUS chooses to decline or admit them).
The most famous case was during WWII with E.O. 9066, which interred japanese-americans (including U.S. Citizens born to Japanese Parents), now in Korematsu, it turned out the government essentially lied to the federal court on the issue of disloyalty (not a single case was ever proven).
Next the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, in which Congress gave the president wide latitude in dealing with immigration and keeping out persons deemed unsuitable or national security risks.
And in 1979, when the Iran Hostage Crisis occurred, Jimmy Carter forced 50,000 Iranians to leave the United States, after the takeover, wasn't any fanfare, they just were sent home, esp. from military bases like Lackland in Texas, which was hosting large number of Iranians receiving training when this happened.
Since the ban is only temporary, I would hope the 9th circuit will do the right thing, but I'm not holding my breath
More specifically: U.S. Code, Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter II, Part II, p1182(f) 2013
> "Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."
this is more of a political move by these companies and not real outrage over the policy. they don't like trump so even though multiple presidents have done it, and many more will do it.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Iran was also where the Chappell Hill shooter, Mahmoud Taheriazar, who killed a number of students there, was from. Normally, Iran would have to vet anyone that the US accepts, except that Iran is a theocratic terror regime, and so that would assume that Teheran would allow into the US Iranians who are genuinely unhappy w/ them, while blocking any Jihadists. There is no rational basis for believing that to be the case
Not just that, if someone from one of these countries who's let in shoots up a mall or any place in the US, which is a soft target, will the GP's French colleagues accept responsibility for what happened? Europeans or other non Americans have no business telling the US what its immigration policy should be, any more than they should tell the US whether Common Core ought to be retained.
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It's not about feminism, diversity, or any of that. They do not care. It's about MONEY.
They're going to fight everything Trump does, they really only care about protecting their off-shore tax shelters, but they'll have to fight everything or else their true motives would be exposed.
Donald Trump’s tax plan also ends to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad and charges a one-time, 10% tax on cash held overseas so it can be repatriated. Both will leave the foreign tax credit in place so companies will not face double taxation.
That's from this article: http://fortune.com/2016/03/11/...
They *really* don't want to have to pay taxes. They'd rather offshore and repatriate by buying government bonds, money laundering that earns interest. Get it?
Trump wants to shutdown their offshore tax loophole. They really don't want to pay taxes! I think you're right on the H1B labor, too. Intel, Google, Apple, etc. are greedy little bastards. They like cheap labor and tax evasion. They fear Trump, and are going to fight him on every single issue.
Because that is how much business interest there is in Saudi Arabia, and also because they want the 'homeland of Islam' on their side the same way they want the Jewish Homeland on their side.
People haven't paid attention to the fact that all three 'pinnacles' of Abrahamic religions are buddy buddy with the US.
Why *IS* that?
The seven countries are either failed states in chaos (cannot vet their own people) or openly hostile to the US (we can't trust their vetting). That is the basis of the EO listing those 7 countries. Have you watched the WH press briefing? If not, I suggest you watch it before jumping to conclusions.
If you American (citizen, immigrant, green-card holder), let them do this, if you celebrate their doing this, then you are destroying your own economy. They can force you to train your non-citizen replacements at 2/3 your replacement that they can only hire with h1b's.
https://pando.com/2014/01/23/the-techtopus-how-silicon-valleys-most-celebrated-ceos-conspired-to-drive-down-100000-tech-engineers-wages/
The same folks that set up techtopus are trying to defend their harm of workers using false discrimination. Your children will have no jobs and no wages in their own nation, because they were born here, and not in the lands where virtual slavery is the norm.
If you buy goods made with slave wages, eventually everyones wages become slave wages.
-EngrStudent
So these are the companies selling cloud services and productivity suites and they can't figure out how to allow somebody work remotely?
"My opinion with respect to immigration is, except of useful mechanics and some particular description of men and professions, there is no use of encouragement."
It's the cry of 97 Fascists' whining.
Thank a higher power neither I or any of my friends give any of these fascists any money at all. 5 years from now many will refuse the Rockefeller/Rothschild usury syndicate.
Our energy sector is addicted to oil, and our tech sector is addicted to cheap/abusable visa workers, and they lobby like hell to keep the status quo.
I cannot believe I'm saying this, but I hope T tells them shove it (at least in terms of worker visas in general, rather than cherry-pick nations.)
Table-ized A.I.
The representatives for this coordinated legal action were:
A Jew, a faggot, and an Indian. I love it. They have been working overtime to kiss that lefty ass since Hilary dropped off the map.
If you're American then Trump is fighting for you.
Musk is a nationalist. He sees the establishment for what it is: a group of thugs who want to steal away the wealth of Americans and rule them under threat of violence. Trump is fighting the establishment and Musk wants to pitch in.
97 Tech Companies are Completely Wrong.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most, if not all, of those 97 companies are global. When one country does {stupid thing}, other countries tend to react to that by doing their own {differently stupid but related thing}. That makes it very hard to continue doing business effectively.
And there you have it in a nutshell. Globalists care less about America and more about foreign interests. After all, the elites can buy massive mansions wherever they want and protect them with big walls. Sounds crazy? Zuckerburg is doing exactly that in Hawaii as we speak.
Now, are these companies uncaring about people in their own backyard? Well, technically, yes. But no more so than normal. They want to continue to make profits. If they could make lots of money by treating all employees like fluffy bunnies who just need a hug, they would. Especially if they would make less money by being uncaring.
But most companies do not shit on their employees without a reason. And most companies want employee morale to be good, as it increase productivity. If employees are worried about being stranded in another country because the country they work in is passing poorly thought out travel laws, it tends to affect employee morale negatively.
Yeah, they care about their bottom line, that's it. This move is about protecting their bottom line. They don't want the flow of cheap H1Bs to stop, they don't want their offshore tax haven loopholes stopped by Trump, and they want to keep offshoring jobs in a race to the bottom. They don't care if they bring down the middle class, they just want more profit. So they kick and scream every time Trump does ANYTHING and I guarantee you this will keep up. They're going to be so pissed when they have to repatriate their offshore money and pay 10% tax on it. They'll make a huge fuss and the middle class will hear it. Then we'll start asking questions about tax loopholes. It won't end well for these 97 silicon valley companies. The globalists are putting the noose on their own neck, they are backed into a corner and don't know what to do. It's beautiful.
The left is freaking out about this, but the US has never really been as supportive of taking refugees and immigrants. This is business as usual. Here's an actual George Washington quote, since you used his name.
"My opinion with respect to immigration is, except of useful mechanics and some particular description of men and professions, there is no use of encouragement."
Spurious quote, the actual line is:
"My opinion with respect to emigration is, that except of useful mechanic’s—and some particular descriptions of men—or professions—there is no need of extra encouragement: while the policy, or advantage of its taking place in a body (I mean the settling of them in a body) may be much questioned; for by so doing they retain the language, habits & principles (good or bad) which they bring with them; whereas, by an intermixture with our people, they, or their descendants, get assimilated to our customs, manners and laws: in a word, soon become one people."
So slightly different. Of course, Washington didn't live in a world where English is already taking over, so his concerns may be moot.
But you're correct, the right has often been much opposed and resistant to immigration. Sucks to be them, what else is knew?
The economic impact of this temporary ban on tech companies is non-existent. Some of their employees may not be able to leave the country or reenter for a few months; that happens occasionally to H-1B visa holders for many reasons. Presidents and Congress have been screwing with immigrants' lives for many decades this way. These tech companies are posturing simply because these companies have been in bed politically with Democrats; it's partisanship and crony capitalism, nothing more.
Trump's proposed changes to the H-1B program actually would benefit those companies tremendously, because it would make it much easier for them to get H-1B visas for their employees; right now, a lot of those visas go to outsourcing companies that pay a pittance. These companies also stand to gain quite a bit from Trump's loosening of regulations. They may yet come around.
Bezos has spoken out against the ban in internal Amazon email to all employees, publicly in the Seattle Times, and has sent their lobbyists directly to the White House to complain.
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
Trump is very vindictive; his "work visa" reform will now probably be even more restrictive and down-right punitive against Silicon Valley.
Even better. It will show the Orange Toad for what he is - a narcissistic, vindictive bully.
In a Trump vs tech industry fight, he might be able to damage a few companies, but that will just be highly visible foot shooting. "Make America Great" by destroying America's best companies? After that sort of gross idiocy, maybe the tards will wake up and realise what a disastrous choice it is to pick "wrecker" over "business as usual".
For the trillionth time. No one is being banned. People from countries that export terrorists are being put on a 90 wait list while they are more carefully vetted. What is wrong with everyone?
Of course they are upset. Their cheap labor pool just dried up. They will have to pay American wages to American workers, and train them. Oh, My!!!
... that the ban wasn't stayed due to the harm done to individual people, but only because of the harm done to wealthy corporations?
It's fine to bomb these nations for 14 years, but don't dare ban the refugees the US needless creates through it's criminal warmongering from entering the country.
Sure, it's fine to have two WAR CRIMINALS in the executive office back to back, LYING the US into wars, and killing MILLIONS of innocent people - no complaints about that, but the second that limitiations of these refugees are made, well, that's a big problem apparently.
I live and work in Silicon Valley, and the whole world has gone insane.
Trump-45 and the Republican Party are fine with LEGAL immigrants who are well vetted, will stay off welfare, no criminal behavior or record, not pregnant with an "anchor baby", in good health, love America, and have skills and/or education to Make America Great Again.
Otherwise, stay home and cause trouble in your own backyard. Or in Europe, especially Germany where they have the welcome mat out for barbaric haters of western civilization. Dummies.
I hate the thought of radical Islamists massing on the Canadian border. From there, they can teach progressive "useful idiots" to chant "Allah Akbar" and "Death to America".
Trump-45 immigration policy: "America First ... nothing else is even a close second."
Most countries with sane leaders have very restrictive immigration policies. Ours is broken and needs to be fixed ... yesterday.
Jan 20, 2017: End of the BO error.
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Four judges in a very left-leaning (and very un-American) district.
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