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Just being arrested is being severely harmed?

Anyone deliberately evading arrest does not want to be arrested. An arrest would be viewed as very harmful by the individual — even if it gives him a chance of redemption, paying debts to society, etc. An AI seeking to avoid harming anyone would be useless — like humans, it has to balance the different harms.

I fear for the day we're 100% efficient, since NO ONE'S innocent of everything.

I, actually, long for that efficiency — because then we'll begin abolishing the laws, that make all of us guilty today. Because today they are applied selectively and can be used against a particular individual for dishonest motives.

Consider speeding, for example. Everyone does it, few get caught — and accusations of racism are rampant (along with debunkings). Why not simply issue a ticket automatically to everyone arriving to a toll-gate too quickly? Once everyone begins getting these tickets, speed-limit will rise...

Obama used a hardened device provided to him

At some point, maybe, but don't fucking pretend he didn't use a blackberry: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/0...

They literally gave him 2 devices. What do you want them to do, suck his dick while they copy his contacts for him?

Personally I don't give a fuck what they do. I'm just pointing out the thing they're not doing: Giving him the ease of use, flexibility and other benefits he perceives from using a different device.

That means they're failing.

And, seriously, when has Trump ever tried to copy Obama? If you want Trump to be in favor of something

I think you'll find it's the CIA or the NSA that wants Trump to be in favour of something. Perhaps you should share your wisdom with them.

I am finding it highly fucking amusing that I'm being modded 'troll' for highlighting a failure in the US security services. Guess I'm in deep shit when I try to cross the border later this year..

I don't remember all the sturm und drang from the NY Times when President Obama kept his Blackberry.

“The president has a BlackBerry through a compromise that allows him to stay in touch with senior staff and a small group of personal friends,” said Robert Gibbs, his spokesman, “in a way that use will be limited and that the security is enhanced to ensure his ability to communicate.”

President Obama wasn't sending coke-fueled rage-tweets at 3 AM nor was he a cock holster for Vladamir Putin.

I don't remember all the sturm und drang from the NY Times when President Obama kept his Blackberry.

I'm not sure what your point is. I conjecture you're arguing this: "critique of Obama for using his blackberry came from Fox but not NYT; therefore Fox and not NYT should be the ones critiquing Trump for using his iPhone"? (in which case, are you berating Fox or NYT or both?)

Or are you saying that the NYT and Fox comments about Obama's blackberry touched only on hypothetical attack vectors conjectured by security experts, but this article is about reports of actual and present and successful attacks on Trump, and you're wondering why the difference?

So selling weapons to the Ukraine, firing on Syrian/Russian troops, cutting off funds, that's all "nothing" - mainly because it doesn't go far enough? And just what the heck did President Obama do in 2014 when it was told Russia was going to interfere? The fact is that President Trump is taking action; some may decide it's not enough, but it's a massive increase from the previous Administration who sat around and let Russia do what they wanted, with tacit approval.

I don't have time to find the numbers

They are cited here.

I'm gonna say that has to do with less white people getting stopped by cops ... Its not because of racism either

Assuming, for the sake of argument, a) the personal racial attitudes of the cops are in no way responsible for this and b) that there is no racial differential in rates of cannabis use, then the racial sub-group which makes up ca 25% of the city, in making up 48% of cannabis arrests, is unambiguously suffering under some serious structural disadvantage (even if the disadvantage is disproportionately residing in neighbourhoods with more snitches). There's some kind of analysis in NYT, but no numbers / graphs (that are displaying for me) sadly. Their conclusion:

[W]e discovered was that when two precincts had the same rate of marijuana calls [i.e. complaints to police], the one with a higher arrest rate was almost always home to more black people. The police said that had to do with violent crime rates being higher in those precincts, which commanders often react to by deploying more officers.

BTW, same AC who was conversing with you above.

I don't remember all the sturm und drang from the NY Times when President Obama kept his Blackberry.

Leftists are finally the target of the crap they've been pulling for decades:

1969: A Year of Bombings

The 1969 bombings were part of a wave of similar episodes across the nation that spurred fear and anxiety. (One study found that from January 1969 to October 1970, there were about 370 bombings - most of them minor - in New York, an average of more than one every other day.)

And let's not forget celebrated leftist and likely Obama ghostwriter Bill Ayers:

After the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion in 1970, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers's close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers's girlfriend, Diana Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb being assembled in the house exploded, Ayers and several associates evaded pursuit by law enforcement officials. Kathy Boudin and Cathy Wilkerson survived the blast. Ayers was not facing criminal charges at the time, but the federal government later filed charges against him.[7] Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Department headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days. Ayers writes:

Although the bomb that rocked the Pentagon was itsy-bitsy—weighing close to two pounds—it caused 'tens of thousands of dollars' of damage. The operation cost under $500, and no one was killed or even hurt.[19]

After the bombing, Ayers became a fugitive. During this time, Ayers and fellow member Bernardine Dohrn married and remained fugitives together, changing identities, jobs and locations.

Nevermind last year's shooting of the House Majority Whip by a TDS-addled LEFTIST Bernie Bro shouting "This is for health care!!!"

About damn time you're the target of your own damn violent bullshit.

Well, there are two problems here. (Actually, there are a thousand, but I'll just talk about two.)

First is the recent problems. You do know that ICE has deported people who are here legally, right? And it has deported people who were TECHNICALLY here illegally but lived here 20 years, paid taxes, etc.? And tore apart families, etc.? THAT is why people are pissed at ICE at the moment.

And secondly,
> I think we could look to encourage more immigration from those that are educated
> and can come to the US and help the workforce and economy right away. ... wow. Yeah, I'm sure all those educated people want to come here and pick lettuce and do roofing and build houses and do all the other shit work that illegals currently do. And I'm sure all the educated citizens here would be happy to pay more for their lettuce, knowing it was picked by educated, legal workers.

When people say "we need to keep terrorists out!!!!111" what they really mean is "we need to keep brown people out!!!!!11"

Yes, we should protect our borders. But we don't have to be dicks while we do it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/1...

My father is undocumented but has lived in the United States since 1998. He has raised four children, all American citizens, on income from construction work. He pays his taxes and plays by the rules. He himself has been a perfect citizen -- although, of course, he can't call himself that... My dad wanted to follow the rules. He has been trying to adjust his status with the help of relatives since 2001. [emphasis mine] We filed the correct paperwork, paid the fees and lined up all his references, only for my dad to be dragged out of a little office and locked up. ICE could have chosen to grant my dad his residency, per the suggestion of our immigration officer. Instead, my father, a man who has filed his taxes every year, has no criminal record and is the sole provider for four children, wasn't even put out on monitor or bond. He is still being held in a detention center in Aurora, Colo., and is awaiting deportation proceedings unless ICE grants him the cancellation of his removal.

THAT is why people are pissed at ICE these days.

Oh, citations:

https://twitter.com/banditelli...

https://thehill.com/opinion/im... (this article quotes Keith Ellison repeatedly)

Only two, I know. Like an iceberg...

Then the implied and explicit support for open borders:

https://theweek.com/articles/7... ( Zack Beauchamp exchange with a reader, Tom Stephenson, and later Zach states explicitly he is an open borders supporter)

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/1... (Hillary Clinton 'dreamed of “open trade and open borders” throughout the Western Hemisphere.')

Hillary seems pretty mainstream Democrat unless you're trying to hide the details.

Regarding the funding and leadership of this group, it is also highly likely that someone with an interest in undermining the Trump Administration would at least be supportive of the caravan if not actively funding and guiding it.

I'm sure quite a few people that don't like Trump are supportive of the caravan. But that's not what they were arguing, and that's not what their base would hear. And "supporting" something is different than actively funding or guiding something (which is precisely what Republicans have been claiming they are doing). That why you have people shipping bombs to Soro's house.

Then we get to the 1960s and civil rights legislation, and Southerners decided they hated black people more than they hated voting for "the party of Lincoln", so the Southern Democrats gradually converted to formally being members of the Republican party.

Is that so? Democrats only like black people when they vote for them. If they leave the Democratic welfare plantation, they get vilified.

A $100 Billion Train: The Future of California or a Boondoggle?

That mess will cost a quarter trillion by the end.

I don't think so. California's HSR is on a collision course with fiscal reality. It will likely be cancelled when the next recession comes.

If something on this scale was attempted in America

Something of this scale is being attempted in the US, and yes, the costs are absurd.

A $100 Billion Train: The Future of California or a Boondoggle?

That mess will cost a quarter trillion by the end. Ultimately the stations will be in a bunch of 21st century Detroits.

they show up at marches and everyone laughs at them

Yes, aside from Congressional candidates body-slamming reporters (and being praised by the President for it) or people at 'peaceful marches' running people over I can't think of any violence on the other side of the aisle.

Let's just condemn stupidity and things we don't link without drawing party lines, shall we? There is no 'equally bad' - calling it 'bad' and 'unacceptable' is plenty.

Kim Kataguri and MBL are just a small part of the problem, here in Brazil: the likely new president, Jair Bolsonaro, is "an YouTuber": he just spread videos from his social networks, but he already tell everyone that he will not participate on TV debates - more info: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/1...

It's not a joke, smokers and the obese cost less for insurance due to dying earlier https://www.nytimes.com/2008/0... Smokers cost almost $100,000 less to insurance over a (shorter) lifetime

That's a fuckton of words just to say "I'm a massive xenophobe with more paranoia issues than a hundred Joseph McCarthys".

You presumably have no problem with millions of mexican nationals illegally squatting in the US and openly holding the entire democratic party by the balls.

Now, enter the foreign paid troll. The goal is not to enrich the lives of citizens, but to destroy the lives of citizens. It wants to cause civil war, it wants to sow mistrust between citizens, to destroy the prosperity of citizens, and the list goes on. And not only does this foreign paid troll want to do this, it is *a full time job*.

So...literally all of twitter?

Unlike the average citizen, who might comment a bit, read a bit, and so on? This troll likely works 60 hour weeks, with an entire *warroom* of research and information behind him.

There are thousands of americans who do exactly that for free purely for the fun of it - and do a much better job to boot. The fucking russians aren't forcing the MSM to run counter-proaganda because their stupid broken-english facebook ads are so effective.

They were under investigation long before the 420 tweet, and the denial in the Q2 call was legal needle-threading to avoid disclosure to investors:

"The action by the S.E.C. is solely related to events surrounding Mr. Musk’s comments on Twitter. But regulators had been investigating Tesla even before the tweet, and are more broadly examining whether Tesla misled investors about its production goals."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0...

If they are capable of constructing entirely new islands to put military bases on, then they are far enough developed that we don't need to subsidize them.

Not as limited as you might think.

https://www.overclock3d.net/ne...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...

10 years of appeals and brib^^^lobbying

Even though he's considered a renowned physicist I still wouldn't pay too much attention to his sentiments about AI. You know that's what science is: you don't opine about the things which are not even remotely related to your field of research unless you want to make a fool of yourself.

Also, during the past years of his life he kept fear mongering about AI to the point where you just couldn't take any longer. We still know what intelligence is; we don't know how close we are to inventing artificial intelligence; and our intelligence algorithms easily trip over after being fed terabytes of data. One thing is certain: that's not how natural intelligence works.

I'm a lot more interested in what Jeff Hawkins is about to reveal - and if it's not some bluff given that experts from DeepMind couldn't understand anything then we are on the verge of some significant breakthroughs.

@CohibaVancouver: "He was co-founder of Microsoft, but he left there over 36 years ago"

He was in remission from Hodgkin’s lymphomas for a long time. The story online is that he left Microsoft after he overheard Gates and Steve Ballmer discussing what to do regarding his shares after he died. ref

My opinion: Jeff Bezos is not a sufficiently capable manager. Evidence: Look at any Amazon web page. As you are researching some product that is interesting, you are often distracted by other products. One fix: Put any distractions at the bottom of the page.

There are many other shortcomings of the Amazon web site.

Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace (New York Times, Aug. 15, 2015)

Quote: "The company is conducting an experiment in how far it can push white-collar workers..."

Amazon warehouse jobs push workers to physical limit (Seattle Times, April 3, 2012)

Worse than Wal-Mart: Amazon's sick brutality and secret history of ruthlessly intimidating workers (Salon.com, Feb. 23, 2014)

Amazon paid no US income taxes for 2017 (SeattlePI, Feb. 27, 2018)

Undercover author finds Amazon warehouse workers in UK 'peed in bottles' over fears of being punished for taking a break (Business Insider, April 16, 2018)

The undercover author who discovered Amazon warehouse workers were peeing in bottles tells us the culture was like a 'prison' (Business Insider, April 18, 2018)

Amazon Gets Tax Breaks While Its Employees Rely on Food Stamps, New Data Shows (The Intercept, April 19, 2018)

Quote: "Though the company now employs 200,000 people in the United States, many of its workers are not making enough money to put food on the table."

Amazon Under Fire Over Alleged Worker Abuse in Germany (bloomberg.com, Feb 19, 2013)

Would you fly into space with a company managed by someone who makes those mistakes and doesn't detect them? Note that Blue Origins does not have the capability of orbiting the earth.

From an NYT Report:

James, who holds some progressive views, has privately expressed embarrassment about some elements of Fox News, including its sometimes skeptical coverage of climate change, according to the three people who are friendly with him, a stance not shared by his more conservative brother and father.

This feature caught Baltimore police planting drugs in an attempt to fake body camera footage.

If you watch the video, you can see one cop planting the drugs, while two other cops stand and watch as if planting evidence is perfectly normal and routine.

Only the cop planting the evidence was fired. The other two corrupt cops are still Baltimore police officers.

continuously record into a 30-60s buffer, and then when the camera is set to 'record' it dumps the buffer

This feature caught Baltimore police planting drugs in an attempt to fake body camera footage. Had they been an extra 30 seconds corrupt they would have got away with it.

sexually assaulting 3 different women and then both lying about it under oath and revealing extreme partisan bias in the process

This is where Dems accuse Republicans of what they have done. They defend domestic abuser Keith Ellison while propping up lies in highly partisan fashion.

Thankfully, the most liberal Republican, Susan Collins, was not bullied and saw through this smear campaign, and is casting a principled vote.

Maybe the Dems can run on something other than their Maoist struggle session tactics.

I know you think that Ivan. For your homework, try to understand that this alone is enough to put him away, never mind the conspiracy, treason, money laundry and rape.

We know that. It frustrates and confuses me why folks like yourself aren't as a group shouting down the crazy ones among you because I know you aren't alone.

I think Evangelicals are not shouting him down as a group because as a group, evangelicals overwhelmingly support Trump's policies and ignore who he is as a person. The exit polling was something like 80-16%. In particular, policies most important to most evangelicals are likely abortion, religious freedom, support for Israel, and same-sex marriage. And if you look at those issues, Trump has moved in the direction they desire pretty much completely across the board.

If you assume that Americans feel we're in the middle of a culture war (certainly seems like the left and right think so), basic human conflict instinct kicks in. There are only allies and enemies. And Trump's policies are beneficial, so he becomes an ally, and allies must be defended and rallied around, despite their flaws. Don't underestimate the power of human group think--it's insanely powerful. Trump is nowhere near Hitler, and yet Hitler had millions of people rallied around him and cheering him on. One of my favorite quotes to a college class was "You realize that if this was Germany in 1939, nearly all of you would be Nazis?"

Here's an article that I think reflects reality pretty well.
https://www.al.com/living/inde...

But there is a growing movement of liberal evangelicals as well:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...

The best course of action would be for us to all learn how to get along with each other. The left calling all Trump supporters racists, homophobes, and bigots isn't helping. The right's treatment of immigrants, immigrant children, homosexuals, and hispanics is infuriating. We need to stop declaring war on each other and learn to compromise and communicate. I personally refuse to "Foe" people on Slashdot to hide their comments, because I believe the Facebook isolation bubble effect is harmful. And while it's uncomfortable to read many posts declaring my faith as "fairy tale worship", it's important that I stay open and communicate with people of all backgrounds.

This has been known for a very long time.

ASSASSINS' SQUADS LINKED TO MOSCOW - MARCH 25, 1984

. . . if Mr. Suvorov's facts are correct, some of these potential attackers have already been visiting target areas at the West's invitation, since they are among the most accomplished athletes in the Soviet Union. . . .

In a war, Mr. Suvorov writes, the Russians would have 41 Special Forces companies, one with each army, and 16 brigades attached to each front, or army group. There also would be four naval brigades, he says, one with each Soviet fleet, and 20 intelligence units. . . .

Because its wartime duties and peacetime training are so rigorous, Mr. Suvorov says, the organization attracts athletes. In return, the athletes receive special privileges.

Consequently, the defector adds, there is competition between the G.R.U. and the K.G.B. for athletes.

There's the political narrative, and then there's history.

Here's an article about the failure of Toys R Us from 2004
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/0...

Eyler's strategy to fix their "running out of money" problem was - spend a ton more money. He had come from FAO Swhartz, which went bankrupt twice. He would have been a good choice if you wanted someone to show you how to go bankrupt.

> Amazon, Wal-Mart, and Target were all competitors, and yet they still managed

Amazon, Walmart, and Target operate toy specialty stores? You know the actual competitors are in that space? KB Toys, FAO Swhartz, all the toy store chains are gone, because that model doesn't work.

Yes, when you get a loan to buy a house, the house is collateral - the bank will take the house if you don't make the payments. When you get a loan to buy a car, the car is collateral - the bank will take the car if you don't make the payments. When you get a loan to buy a struggling specialty retailer ...

Yeah the people burning wood apparently haven't heard your sage words

https://www.acs.org/content/ac...

Nor has China which is still building new coal plants

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...

Hey please don't let reality interfere with your fantasy

It's okay as long as we're the only ones doing it...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0...

Oh really now ?
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/0...

Just fucking read the AC posts in this very thread.

Multiple posts demeaning people for being white and male.

But hey, Google has answers too.
https://goodmenproject.com/fea...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0...
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us...

How about all of those authors fuck off with their racist bullshit.

The lawsuit, filed in federal court in New York, seeks to bar Mr. Musk from serving as an executive or director of publicly traded companies. Tesla, which Mr. Musk co-founded, is publicly traded.

This is what you should be reading: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0... There are so many problems with our voting system, it can't be attributed to mere greed and stupidity...

Most people don't understand anything as complicated as a bus schedule, but we let them pilot 6,000 lbs. of steel hurtling down the road at 80 mph - almost 2 Megajoule's worth of kinetic energy. Let that sink in.

James Comey, then head of the FBI, declared that she's guilty, but that "no reasonable prosecutor" would pursue her.

No. No he did not. He said her staff where careless.

He did, indeed, say that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Here is the CNBC story that quotes him.

The case is unprosecutable because there isn't evidence of a crime.

From the same story:

Comey began his address by explaining what investigators found. He said that the probe showed that 110 emails in 52 email chains were determined to include classified information at the time they were received. Within those emails, eight chains contained information that was "top secret" at the time they were sent, 36 had "secret" information and eight more had "confidential" information, the FBI director said.

All of that is evidence of a crime. He is further quoted as saying, in the SAME SENTENCE that contains the "no reasonable prosecutor" phrase:

"Although there is evidence of potential violations regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case," he said.

There is evidence, but no prosecutor would bring a case. Further, he said:

He characterized the investigation findings as showing that Clinton and her team were "extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information" but he said there was no clear evidence they intended to violate the law.

So no, he didn't say that just Clinton's staff "where" careless. Clinton too.

But but but ... no clear evidence of intent? Sadly the laws being broken don't have an intent clause, they are broken when the act takes place, intent or not.

Despite the bleatings of the conspiracy theory set, "Grandma doesn't understand email security" isn't a crime,

But "Grandma doesn't understand what 'Top Secret' means and the necessity of safeguarding such material" IS a crime. Grandma shouldn't have had to understand email security, but since she made the attempt and failed, and had classified material transported using that email system in violation of federal law, there is a crime. A crime that Grandma had been briefed on before she was given a security clearance, by the way. Ignorance is not only not an excuse, it doesn't apply here.

join the fact based community.

A good suggestion. I suppose you would classify CNBC with Brietbart, but you can find the full statement here on the FBI's website. Are CNN and The New York Times also Brietbart sycophants?

As a public company, Google is required to build as much value for its shareholders as possible

No they aren't. This is a myth.

Corporations are not required to maximize profits or shareholder value

The U.S. EPA went and measured the other diesel cars (re-tested them). Mercedes, BMW, Chevrolet all passed with flying colors, since they actually had the Urea/NOx neutralization system installed. They continue to be sold, since they are legally compliant.

Then the US EPA must be extremely incompetent, because their colleagues in several European countries all reached a very different conclusion, as did several NGOs. See for example this report.

Ditto over-the-road truck makers who use the same tech to keep freight trucks clean..... all passed EPA standards.

Trucks are clean these days (that is, if they haven been tampered with), but that wasn't always the case. All major truck makers in the US were fined US $1 billion twenty years ago for their emissions cheats, which were very similar to the ones widely employed in diesel cars.

Normally big companies don't bother responding to scientific studies. The fact that they did in this case, attempting a character assassination to boot, suggests they are scared.

It's almost as though they were just hit for a $289 million jury verdict in the first of thousands of Roundup-gave-me-cancer lawsuits, and understand studies like this will be trial lawyer red meat in the follow-on cases. There's been a ton of research lately on the relationship between the microbiome (which this study suggests Roundup impairs) and cancer.

It's not population growth, it's resources consumption. Your entitled western ass shouldn't be blathering about poor people having too many babies when you're using 30 times as much resources as they do.

So, just keep the poor people poor and we'll be OK? That's what you're suggesting?

Because lord know that no one in developing countries wants to live a developed lifestyle.

... talk about entitled western asses....

But how many of those users are just spam or fake bot accounts? Seems like once Facebook buys a company they essentially become yet another spam machine of whatever nonsense generates CTR (that's at best, at worst they help distribute malicious payloads).

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0...

"Dovetale said that, on average, 16.4 percent of the followers on Instagram’s top 20 accounts were fraudulent.

Sylo, which requires influencers to share access to their public and private post statistics, said it had rejected 77 percent of influencers who have tried to register on its platform after their accounts showed issues like abnormal spikes in engagement on posts or a large number of generic, emoji-laden comments that bots are known for."

It's not population growth, it's resources consumption. Your entitled western ass shouldn't be blathering about poor people having too many babies when you're using 30 times as much resources as they do.

The only time it does Not work is when a company like Volkswagen decides "let's not install it, so we can save money." Obviously the tech can not work if it has never been installed!

When you say "a company like Volkswagen", you do mean "a German automaker", right?

Some of us remember how much of the design of the DEC Alpha was stolen by Intel for the Pentium. See https://www.nytimes.com/1997/0.... Between this and the theft of VMS technologies to create Windows NT, DEC went bankrupt and stopped producing new technologies to be stolen.

The modern world has made an essential survival-fostering act into a legal minefield. And it is worse for men.

It does not matter how much proof you are given that the woman is an adult, including any amount of fake IDs, certification, etc. If she is a day too young, you are going to jail for sex with a minor, and that's it.

But even outside of that, a woman can give consent and then accuse you of rape after the fact, and land your ass in jail with nothing more than her word as evidence. Hell, you don't even need to have sex with her, as happened in Europe not too long ago: a serial rape accuser would pick innocent men that she saw at a bar, never even so much as speak to them, and accuse them of having raped her after they left the bar, and got them convicted. It wasn't until she had done this again and again that the pattern was figured out and the innocent men were then released from prison. I tried to find the link to the story but the Internet seems to have forgotten it. I found this one, though.

Setting aside the topic of rape, there is also the issue of mandatory child support payments. If a man consents to sex, he consents to fatherhood, as he has no option to abort or submit the child for adoption. It's a hook on a string that costs him a huge chunk of his income for the next 18 years! And, as famously happened in Arizona, men are on the hook for that even if they were boys when it happened, and were statutorily raped by the woman in question.

The current state of things is quite unfair, and one would be wise to avoid sex as much as possible.