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The Model 3 is much smaller than the Kona though.

Please let me know which of the two you've never been in before, because clearly it's either one, the other, or both.

Leg room, front (inches): 42,7 vs. 41,5
Leg room, rear (inches): 35,2 vs. 33,4
Head room, front (inches): 40,3 vs. 39,6
Head room, rear (inches): 37,7 vs. 37,6
Shoulder room, front (inches): 56,3 vs. 55,5
Shoulder room, rear (inches): 54 vs. 54,5
Hip room, front (inches): 53,4 vs. 53,3
Hip room, rear (inches): 52,4 vs. 52,2

There is literally only one passenger room measure - rear shoulder room - where the Kona exceeds Model 3. And IMHO, the subjective difference is a lot greater than the numbers look. I guess having two inches cut off your leg space is more dramatic than it sounds because you can't just shrink your legs by two inches.

And of course you selected the most favourable conditions for your favourite car, where as if you use the headline figure of 120MPGe for the Kona and 130MPGe for the M3 (from your own link) it's down to about 7%.

I chose the most meaningful figure - highway efficiency. Because range and charging rates only matters in highway driving. Sure, you could compare city efficiency, but given that UDDS's average speed is 18,6 mph, try dividing a couple hundred miles range by 18,6 mph and look at how long you'd have to spend in your car to actually run it out of range. Aka, it's irrelevant. The comparison is between highway consumptions, aka, where you can actually run your car out of charge and where you have to actually stop at fast chargers.

Also if we are talking about rear space, because of that sloping roof the rear seats in the Model Y are only really suitable for children.

Are you forgetting that that's the third row in the car? Are you wanting to compare it to cars that only have two rows?

Also don't forget that for the same price the Kona has a 35% larger battery, resulting in considerably better range

Except that it doesn't get significantly better range - that's the whole point! 35% bigger battery (added weight (which hurts handling), added production cost, added environmental impact, etc), but only 17% more range, despite smaller passenger space by virtually every measure. And that efficiency difference, it must be reiterated, means slower charging (more kWh needed to go a given amount of distance), something that is compounded by the fact that Kona can only charge at up to a theoretical 100kW (up to ~70kW on most high power CCS stations, and 40-45kW on the vastly more common 50kW stations), while Model 3 charges at up 250kW on the new V3 stations, and up to 145kW on the current V2 stations.

And as for the whole "for the same price" aspect, it's $36,5k base price vs. $35k... except that Hyundai openly admits that they make no profit on their EVs, while Tesla does, including on the $35k version (and at the average sale price, about 20% gross margins). Secondly, that's not the appropriate matchup; Tesla has a $37k trim, which is much closer to the base Kona price... but that one goes an extra 20 miles and comes with the partial premium interior, while the Kona is in its lowest trim.

And even most Kona fans are willing to face up that the interior on the Kona is decked out like an econobox; even the Bolt's interior is nicer than the Kona's, and that's not saying much (though Kona's seats are nicer than the Bolts, and it comes with a lot more tech than the Bolt). Meanwhile even the base trim Model 3 has an all-glass roof (with the cool rainbow water effect), mostly wrapped trims rather than simply pressed, etc etc. The standard feature comparison isn't even close (it would take a long time to go down the whole list!)

Yes, shame they don't work v

Obviously I have not sat in one as its not available to general public yet

What market are you in? Kona Electric has been out in Europe for quite a while.

Obviously I have not sat in one as its not available to general public yet but all reviewers have given it much better reviews than Model 3 as far as internal space is concerned.

Name one. I've been in in both. It's not even close.

The SUV movement in the US is more about a high driving position

No, a SUV is a large vehicle built on a truck frame. A CUV is a vehicle have a SUV-like form factor, but of any size (large or small) and with unibody construction.

I'm warning you for your own good: if you're waiting for the Kona because you're expecting it to be some "SUV", you're going to be seriously disappointed. This is the back seat.. Here's the size of the vehicle compared to a person. That doesn't mean "don't get the car". As far as non-Tesla EVs go, there's nothing "wrong" with it. But it's not an "SUV". Keep your expectations in check.

(Model 3, by contrast, is much larger inside than most people expect, particularly in the front).

BTW: If you're looking for an EV like the Kona (aka non-Tesla) whose back seat isn't cramped, I'd recommend the Kia Niro. Its front and trunk are pretty similar in size to the Kona, but its rear seat is much larger. Hyundai and Kia have a manufacturing partnership, so their vehicle lines are pretty similar.

Trains do not change lanes at high speeds. And at slow speeds it is not impressive, as what lane a train goes in is not under control of the train at all.

(well they're tracks anyway not lanes)

Quite. Which is why the self driving train will look really impressive when it changes lanes.

It's a joke, see. I thought calling them lanes (what self driving cars rive in and change) rather than tracks (what trains run on) was enough of a clue. If you turn the steering wheel*] on a train really hard and manage to change lanes, the result is an impressive crash.

[*] you know a sterring wheel lik this one https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eSMYwOw...

I wonder how many people will think I'm being serious about that too.

Well, it's not like renewable power doesn't kill a few people every once in a while.

We will find out pretty quickly what will happen to him.

California is their biggest market; could well be coulter pines ;) The cones can weigh 2-5kg when fresh. There's also sugar pine cones, which can be 2/3rds of a meter long (but narrow).

As for the time to get an appointment, it depends entirely on where they are. While Tesla is working on switching to Tesla-owned body shops, right now, body work is contracted out to local body shops. So if you can't get an appointment, then the local body shop is overbooked.

I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens. Proof Positive: A talking head on TV.

And this is why Trump wants a space force -- Space Alien Terrorists. Or Astronaut Terrorists, same thing, just inside out. OR: an ISS Astronaut is actually an ALIEN -- that's even worse, They're Already Here.

First they travel here to get our technology, then our women, and then our water. We're in trouble!

Leftists literally say "punch a nazi" (meaning their peaceful political opponents, not actual nazis) and mean it, and nobody cares

Oh, go fuck yourself. I gladly say "punch a Nazi" (and I will). Who are these "peaceful political opponents" you're talking about? These fuckers, who murder people? Charlottesville Nazis Trump Nazis?These evil fuckers. Where are these "peaceful" Nazis that you're talking about?

I don't know if you know anything about history, but our country was at war with Nazis less than a 100 years ago. We, as Americans, did a whole lot more than punch Nazis. We killed them. Millions of them. They deserved it. Nazis today definitely deserve to get punched.

You think you're being funny.... https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RorDlgu...

Have

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I thought he uses Mac OS. See https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LQ5-Iw-... ...

Except for the fact that this article is wrong. While Tesla is under no obligation at all to give away free chargers for other manufacturers' charging standards, they're doing so regardless. If the company requests it, Tesla will provide up to one J1772 for every two Tesla chargers. There are also Tesla charger to J1772 adapters.

Tesla has, and continues to try, to get other manufacturers to agree to support their standard on their vehicles; Tesla wants the revenue from more vehicles supercharging at their stations, because capital costs don't pay for themselves. And IMHO Tesla is the only entity out there who has shown competence in designing a charge connector. Take a look at, for example, CHAdeMO (left) vs. Tesla (right) and realize that the Tesla connector will charge real-world EVs about three times faster at low SoCs, while being more reliable as well. CCS is better than CHAdeMO, but it's still a Frankenconnector with a needlessly excessive number of pins - to the point that Tesla was able to implement fast DC charging just over the Type-2 (AC) connector without having to bother with the tacked on DC combo pins at all. And meanwhile Tesla is the only one who's managed to have a properly maintained charge network (start clicking through CHAdeMO/CCS chargers on plugshare and note the disturbing frequency of them being down, often for long periods of time), which also happens to usually be the cheapest fast charge network wherever it is, as well as guaranteeing a sizeable number of chargers at each station so that there's no risk of "the charger being down" or "the charger being occupied" when you get there. Even on the general layout, they hit all of the right buttons in comparison to everyone else: separating cabinets from pedestals, so that they can be upgraded individually from each other and you have a clean-looking, quiet setup at each charging stall.

Competitors, however, tend to try to use legislation to force Tesla to adopt their half-baked standards. At least Tesla is now in CharIN. Hopefully they can help steer CCS in a proper direction.

The FDA has no damn clue if Kratom is medicinally useful.

That's exactly the problem. The FDA was given power to ban claims without proof of therapeutic effect.

, the next step would be to temporarily ban Kratom while THEY perform historic investigation

The FDA tried to enact a temporary ban. People complained, petitioned congress, etc.

The FDA is not authorized to spend a dime of taxpayer money to prove a drug is safe or effective; their duty is to prevent potentially dangerous or addictive substances from being sold until proven safe. The prospective seller is the one who has to foot the bill to prove it's safe and effective.

many naturally occurring plant components have medicinal properties.

You're not wrong. The problem is focus blindness, like this picture from Finding Nemo.

The only safe assumption to make about an unknown plant is that it will do some seriously bad shit to you until proven otherwise -- which is exactly what the FDA is doing.

That's doubly true with any plant that binds to opioid receptors.

Add to that there could not be a bigger, fatter, softer target that Donald J Trump

All I know is that the next time I'm arrested, I pray that the cop sitting across the table questioning me is not Robert Mueller. I mean, Jesus Christ, the guy looks like an FBI hard case out of central casting. He gives me one of these looks and I'd give up my own mother.

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I have a feeling that everyone from the Trump administration who's been questioned by Mueller so far looked exactly like this:

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It's okay, we're switching to Pissed Off Cat

Some people will complain. But they'll be middle aged when autonomous cars start arriving.

By then you'll have younger people discovering their dad's Fiat 500 Abarth or 15 year old 2015 Dodge Challenger R/T.

You'd really tell me that there are Americans who would rather have a self-driving golf cart than one of these babies?

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>But when you do you look like an idiot?

I'll say. Just look at this conspiratard in his tin foil hat!

Still better than your mother ... mother.

Hey, you keep your eyes off my luggage.

Actual Picture of Cayenne8
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Isn't that the magical breakthrough that made cyberdyne so much money?
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A man can lift.1,000 pounds:

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A man can run at 25 MPH:
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A man cannot carry 1,000 pounds at 25 MPH. In fact, a man can't even take a single step while holding 1,000 pounds.

As discussed above, adding weight to a quad very quickly degrades performance, to the point that to deliver a 1Kg load a potato gun is more effective than a drone.

I picked a link at random (#4) and after 10 seconds of Googling, I found a video of the guy explaining that he dressed up as a nazi to see if the people in the rally would disavow him (he claims they did).

So, he says he's not a nazi; he says the people at the rally disavowed him being a part of their group; and he says people like you are taking it out of context. You are doing a wonderful job giving credibility to the very people you seemingly disagree with.

You realize the Americans you're calling Nazis aren't actually Nazis, right?

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And it stated that the batteries were not allowed in checked.

Loose Li-Ion batteries aren't allowed in checked luggage, but since laptop batteries are attached and below 100Wh they're okay.

A Li-Ion battery cannot be transported in the hold unless attached to a camera or the equipment it is intended to power. The attached battery must not exceed 100Wh in capacity. Spare Li-Ion batteries must be transported in your carry-on luggage. An individual may take on-board, in carry-on luggage, an unspecified number of Li-Ion batteries that have capacities of 100Wh or less (as the operator and state variations allow). Li-Ion batteries that have capacities greater than 100Wh, but less than 160Wh, are restricted to 2 items per person, in carry-on luggage. For example, a crew of 3 people can share the allowance between them and take a total 6 batteries (2 each) in this capacity range. Li-Ion batteries that have capacities greater than 160Wh are forbidden from civil aircraft, unless a state exemption has been obtained (i.e. CAA/FAA operator).

Now 100Wh is for big cinema rigs and such, a normal DSLR battery is maybe 10-15Wh. I suppose they could be a dick if you have a spare or two but really it would just be to be dicks.

They get carried over public roads as well: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oNTuSm3...

I remember reading somewhere that the Falcon 9 is just about as big as it can be to still make this possible.

"Wheel-mounted controls frequently go wrong" - no they don't.
"are easy to hit by accident in a panic situation" - and...? So you turn up the temperature when you're in the middle of a car accident - the big deal is...?
"complicate the clock spring" - you need to extend the wiring harness into the steering wheel either way.

Controls should require the least movement of the driver away from their driving position as possible. That's steering wheel controls.

IMHO (If I Ran The Zoo...), the ideal interface to everything is a combination of steering wheel controls and tactile / auditory feedback. Anything that provides "feedback" on its own - for example, changing the volume, station, fan speed, etc - doesn't need additional feedback. Other things should have feedback unique to their activity - for example, when navigating context menus, having sounds unique to each menu so there's instant recognition of where you've navigated to. Visual feedback is also acceptable, but only when it's distinct enough that it can be immediately recognized by your peripheral, not requiring direct visual focus (e.g., different colored backgrounds, large distinct shapes, etc - the smaller the screen and the further away it is from the line of sight, the more dramatic the difference needs to be).

Clutter does nobody any favours. And IMHO, the benefit of something simply "being a physical button" is of limited utility, depending on the details - for example, with your typical row of preset buttons, your finger will tell you how centered it is on "a" button, but not on "which" button. It's IMHO much better design to have a smaller number of large (aka, hard to miss) touchscreen buttons right in your peripheral and which you can reach easily from your natural driving position than a larger number of smaller buttons not in your immediate peripheral which you have to reach more for.

It's not surprising that you thought "scammy" was a business idea. Your entire on-line existence is a scam. Shitty, worthless ebooks, garbage blogs, and generally useless posts here.

BTW, once your office chair fails by ramming a gas cylinder through your rectum, consider this as your next chair:

HA HA!

The smartest robot in the world is still dumber than an amoeba. We have a long way to go before AI can replace people. AI is mostly well defined problems and pattern recognition. Even something as trivial as "unpacking and sorting a box" like in the summary is impossible for robots currently.

I agree with you on the home scale... on the industrial scale? Take a look at Amazon Robotics Challenge 2017 and compare them to Amazon Picking Challenge 2015 to see how rapid progress is. Odd assortment of about 30 things where half was revealed shortly before the test, winners can now pick up about 90% of them mostly through a combination of suction cups and grabbers. That's hard things, soft things, odd shapes, transparent items, items with holes etc. you can look at a screenshot here you can see they're not making it easy. Full video of runner-up here, couldn't find one of the winner. Note that it's at 4x speed, they had half an hour to sort the box.

And here's the thing, it doesn't have to be super fast or perfect to be useful for Amazon. They just have to flag goods as "auto-pickable" and you can start pre-loading boxes with those first and possibly fill some orders entirely. My guesstimate is that a human would maybe sort it in three minutes, if you're doing that all day long and include all the little breaks. Now the human works eight hours a day five days a week, the robot 24x7. I'd assume the person is working minimum wage, the cost estimates for the picker were around $25k. So it's doing about $15k*4.2 (working hours)*0.10 (productivity) = $6.3k worth of work each year, ~4 years for down payment.

Give it a few more years of R&D, five more years for industrialization and roll-out... I think it's a pretty generous guess for the humans when I think that almost nothing will be hand-picked in Amazon's warehouses by 2025. Don't also forget that they have such volume that if something turns out to be particularly troublesome they could probably get some kind of tweak to the packaging for the picker to grab onto, if they promise to buy a big bulk order manufacturers won't object too hard. This is exactly the type of job that's going to disappear, they're automating all the way around the human so they can be more efficient pickers but eventually there's nothing left to automate but the picking itself.

Home automation is so much harder because we do so little of each, there are experiments with robots chefs. But are they going to end up in an industrial kitchen serving hundreds of guests a day or your house cooking a few meals a day? It doesn't really make sense at home until it can do a little of a hundred different things. But hey, if they get autonomous cars going I expect I'll order out more...

This is the Hollywood image of coders that I grew up with.

In my experience, when someone says they're wasted they're referring to being drunk.

People can smoke themselves to oblivion with a Cheech & Chong doobie that they have no clue what is going on around them.

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Trump didn't look at the eclipse, the moon looked directly at Trump as it crossed the Sun and President Trump gave it a stern warning, "You have to go back".

Thus, ended the eclipse.

Oh, I'm sure you could manage to squeeze in.

Leaf degradation is terrible. And everyone who saw the pack design knew it would be. Passive air cooling? Geez, if you're going to cool your car battery pack like a smartphone battery, expect it to last about as long as a smartphone battery.

This is what a proper EV pack looks like inside. This is not.

It looks like a "coffee" chain.

There's a picture.
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The BBC commissioned some historians specialised in the period to come up with the most plausible Jesus they could based on the period, ethnic background, social class, dress and grooming styles of the culture, climate, and so on. That's their best guess.

The most interesting part, to me, isn't that picture. It's that people have known for a very long time that Jesus would have looked something like that - and yet every crucifix, every church window, every silly little tract and poster still depicts Jesus as a tall, very European white man with flowing hair. The people responsible for this must known full well that this image is wrong - but they also must know just as well that a short man with olive-brown skin is not going to win any converts or get worshippers through the door.

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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZfxJXBM... Yes, they look very similar.

It has been known for quite some time how that happens.

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All SFW.

The link to the raw image is right there in the URL...

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If there were any documented weird sexual practices in Trump's past, as opposed to vulgar locker room bragging, it would have been shouted from the rooftops and a 24/7 news item during the campaign.

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Sadly, native controls are getting dumber. I've got a couple controls on the steering wheel for the radio (station or track, and volume) but everything else is on a touchscreen.

Climate controls used to be an array of different physical buttons and levers; now it's a bunch of nearly identical buttons in a row. You actually CAN'T use the climate control in my current car WITHOUT looking at it -- but I could on cars I owned 30 years ago.

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Here in Iceland we got a new highest waterfall out of the deal. Our highest used to be Glymur, but the glacier Morsárjökull receded up a cliff and in its place left a series of waterfalls that are higher than Glymur (now called Morsárfossar).

Glymur is prettier though. Morsárfossar was prettier partially glaciated, like the cliffs to the right still are.

Do they have "Bill Gates Does Windows" screensaver?

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Take a look at this picture: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tTab0Xt.... That "roof" was the upper half of the cylindrical fuselage skin, from the cabin floor up. The flight attendant was blown out by a multi-hundred-knot wind.

Agreed; the N64 controller was actually quite comfortable, and games rarely required you to switch hand positions in game. But the joystick, dear god was the joystick awful.
(For those who don't know and want an explanation: you can see how the joystick works in this thumbnail. Those two plastic saddles that hold and center the joystick would wear away easily. That makes the joystick become loose over a relatively short period of use, though the feeling of a brand new stick isn't all that great anyway.)