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Lord of the Rings: Two Towers Reviews Rolling In
flogger writes "After the first showing of The Two Towers, the reviews are now coming in. They are positive and SPOILER FILLED. Reviews can be found here, here and a short one here." Don't say you weren't warned. I'm not reading them. I finished re-reading TTT saturday, and am ready to see Ents walk.
Like, there is something not in the books?
yeah baby!
I really wish the media would stop trying to cash in on the events of 9/11. I think this title will upset many people.
What was wrong with The Lord of the Rings II?
Just a heads up to all the peps out there it holdin' down. If you buy the special edition super ultra limited DVD box (with the bookend thingies), enclosed is a free pass to see TTT in the theaters, or theatres depending on your pondsidage.
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Very good movie. Frodo won alive.
What have the world come to when the submitters warn the /. crowd about spoilers in a LOTR movie. Doesn't the entire /. crowd know it by heart?? It ... makes me sad.
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LORD OF MY ASS RINGS
Lord of my penis.
Fuck fart piss shit.
The movie isn't even in the theater yet and the reviews only made me want to see it more. Yes I read the reviews, yes I read the books now pleeeaaase let me see the movie
Why couldn't it be released in the whole world simultaniously? I don't live in the US you insensitive clods!
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...I've never read the books.
Where can I get the Cliff's Notes?
CmdrTaco!!! FUCK YOU!!!
JRR Tolkien wrote that book with that name before you americans started drawing attention of terrorists by doing the shit you do!!!
:) muahahahaha...
If you're still sorry for those lives in the WTC then go and open a bank account
Turns out Frodo is Sauron's son.
seriously, some movies I'll see no matter what the reviewer says,
LOTR is one (three) of those.
I'll read the reviews solely for the purpose of getting other people's take on the movies. Like the "discussion" part of an article comes after
the "results" section.
I know it sounds sick but hey
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Ents walk? This spoils the movie for me!
Well that's ruined that bit for me.
Now and again for all those uneducated americans that believe "Tolkien named the 2nd book "The Two Towers" because of the WTC" (see 1st thread) ...uhm... uhm.. ahh.. i don't know where to start.. uhm.. FUCK YOU.. if you're still sorry for that bullshit WTC go and open a bank account somewhere and support bankiers..
After seeing the first movie, which wasn't bad, I can wait.
In fact, it is entirely possible that I will wait until the "Final" movie is released and get the "Super Mega Ultra Complete (untill the Sequel/Prequel) Boxed Set Collectors Version Directors Cut" and waste a whole week watching it.
Or I might just keep my money in my pocket and read a good book.
Three reviews given, not one of them seemed to be from an unbiased perspective. When I read the first two, I began to think the writers were masturbating as they typed. And the third one, being from 'theonering.net', didn't seem a reliable source of an impartial view either.
Isn't it possible to find a review from someone who isn't an obsessive zealot? I'm interested in finding out how good the film is, and I'm not going to get that from someone who has decided he's going to enjoy the film before he's even seen it.
Secondly, what is the point in having spoilers in a review? The whole point in a review is that you can find out how good the film is, so you can decide whether to see it or not. By giving away what happens in the film, you sort of take away the fun in watching it in the first place. Most reviewers seem to get by reviewing films without giving away every single thing that happens, why can't these reviewers?
Looks like I'll just have to see what the Filthy Critic says, although if he does review it it probably won't be up till February, and then he'll spend 90% of the review talking about his personal problems.
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IIRC "that book" wasn't 'a book' but 'two books', and wasn't called "The Two Towers" at all, until the publisher made JRRT make them into one. He searched for a title and came up with Two Towers, though apparently never gave real explanation as to which were the two towers in question. It is speculation (albeit educated specualtion) that came up with potential explanations of the towers. Google should come up with some stuff about this for those with a bit of time to wade through all the film related links!
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... who reads some reviews only after seeing the movies ?
Why do you do that?
So you know whether or not you liked the film?
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I thought it was sad that they put pictures of Gandalf the White in the trailers (at least in the UK they did). It does mean that some of the impact will be lost on those who haven't read the books...
Trailers are evil and spoilery.
Gandalf lives. :)
Faith can move mountains. I prefer dynamite.
because I'm stuck in Germany at the moment and I sure don't speak enough German to understand TTT!
I can't even read this article because of the spoilers!! Anyone know of any English movie-theatres around Cologne/Dusseldorf area?
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It has girl-on-girl action between Arwen and Galadriel. >^..^
The name comes from the 2 towers that are central to the second (really 3rd and 4th) book. The first half (book 3) revolves around Saruman and the tower of Isengard.
The second half (the 4th book) revolves around the trek of Sam and Frodo to destroy the one ring, whose power was used to build the foundations of the mighty tower of Barad-Dur.
With these 2 structures featured heavily, there seems little other reason how Tolkien came to the title.
All the people really want is their William Shatner interview.
I read the books(the trilogy) for the 1st time over the summer. I wish I had read Fellowship before the movie came out. I am glad I finished the last 2 before the movies came out. You will enjoy the moview much much more.
"The Two Towers gets as near as possible to finding a title to cover the widely divergent Books 3 & 4; and can be left ambiguous- it might refer to Isengard and Barad-dur, or to Minas Tirith and B; or Isengard and Cirith Ungol (1)." [Letter #140]
Taken from JRRT's letters. You will easily find many more references on google.
"I am not at all happy about the title `the Two Towers'. It must if there is any real reference in it to Vol II refer to Orthanc and the Tower of Cirith Ungol. But since there is so much made of the basic opposition of the Dark Tower and Minas Tirith, that seems very misleading." [Letter #143]
You see?
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well, i also read review after i see a movie that i liked. i think it's interesting to read other opinions, and there's the possibility that they will discuss a point that u missed (like an obscure reference). i guess i could just read to some forum but professional reviewers are generaly more agreable to read.
This was the work of Kevin Klerck and has been reported on internationally. To repeat it is fine, but at least send out propz to Klerck.
I hate you Taco, I hate you! I was avoiding all those spoilers and reading the spoiler-free Slashdot frontpage and you tell me that ENTS CAN WALK!?
I don't wanna see that movie anymore.
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What disappointed me about the first LOTR movie was that the movie just seemed to come to an abrupt halt three hours into it. Does the second one suffer the same malady, or is there more of a conflict/resolution/ending to it? I haven't read the books, so I'm hoping it's not just three hours of walking though the woods fighting things... I realize the LOTR has a cult-like following, and I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but movies should stand on their own two feet - the first movie ended like a 2-part sitcom "To Be Continued...", which I find wholly inacceptable for a major-production movie. The actual plot of the movie is not scheduled to be resolved until 2 movies later! Of course, if Hollywood can do that and still make hundreds of millions (which they have), I suppose I'm none the wiser...
"If at first you don't succeed, lower your standards."
I did not get in my 4 disc r1 extended edition box.
Neither did my friends who got the full bookend thingy.
I've never heard of this before.
Ha! I just saved myself a few bucks for going to the theater as well as the time watching the movie. Just read the second review in the story and you get a complete description of the film. Very nice. Its not just a review its THE movie told without the annoying bits of moving pictures. Much more convinient and so much schorter than the books. The only distrubing thing is that the background music is from "Friday 13th" but you can't have everything.
There used to be a English Movie house, just next to the train station. Might check if its still there. I was plesantly supprised that when movies opened in the US it opened there at the same time. Course that was 16 years ago... But im sure there is still a english movie house in Munich, as many Muncher's prefer to hear the movie with the origional voices.
It should be interesting to see what TruthMedia makes of the Second film after their review of the first.
I am fed up with this "Twin Towers" nonsense.
It's all a puritanistic approach, instead of seeing the true problem. I watched "Bowling for Columbine" flick the other day, and saw the true face of America, and not the one that they made the World Trade Center a god. It is horrible to see people die -- that's no fact it's reality.
But the claims of "...oooh don't say twin towers we recall the tragedy" is so stupid that it reaches on the same level as the cause of selling guns in America that lead to the youth shoots. You can see how fanatic you have been with no fault of your own. Instead of weeping over titles that are meaningless as if Tolkien knew the future and said "Heh I am going to entitle the next book 'Two Towers' so that in a sadistic way I will take revenge for the Americans after Grave", you should get yourselves into the real threat, your children's influence, the war that is destined to become another vietnam because of inability of the government administration and the genral status of the economy.
Sometimes I like that I am in a country that has real problems and not in a country that likes to create problems just to know that it is there.
Apologies to all concerned.
And please sign the petition
Did a quick search, it's already returning multiple hits.
Right now it looks like there's a 1CD divx version and a 2CD divx version. This is on a major filesharing app, so I'm betting IRC and FTPs are way ahead of this and it's already everywhere.
It's sad really. I refuse to ruin a potentially good movie by seeing a poor quality copy first. I'm definately ignoring these and waiting to see it in theaters, like I did with episode 2 (and was glad I did).
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Since I have no idea what ents are, saying that isn't much of a spoiler to me. Ok something that isn't supposed to walk, walks, you could kind of expect that in a movie of this gerne, as long as it isn't a mailbox or something like that, it's ok with me.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2537275.stm
In the inspections process, the United States will be making one judgment: Has Saddam Hussein changed his behaviour of the last 11 years? Has he decided to co-operate willingly and comply completely or has he not?" he said.
"So far, the signs are not encouraging."
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So far, no weapons have been found. Why is that not encouraging? Or did he mean "We want a war, to make Americans - raised on a culture of Xenophobia and revenge - feel better about themselves, and less stupid for electing such a moron to high office. Iraq is doing everything expected of it, and therefore, as far as our planned war is concerned, the signs are not encouraging." ?
This is the second time you have given advice to open a bank account to help us uneducated americans forget about 9/11. I don't understand where this is coming from? How does this help?
I kind of like the way the first movie ends. I never expected a movie from hollywood without a solid happy end.
- Ok Sam joins Frodo, because he is his friend and he made a promise, but from now on they are alone.
- The other two hobbits are captured by the orcs, not something you wish happens to your best friends.
- One guy (can't remember his name) is shot to pieces by several big hunky arrows.
- Gandalf is dead or missing
But somehow it works: brilliant.
I'm not reading [the reviews]. I finished re-reading TTT saturday, and am ready to see Ents walk.
I thought the Ents were supposed to be the big SPOIL-able thing in this one.
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In this month??? What is this fucking site??? Slashdot is a site for kids??? Fucking stupid stories about Harry Potter, Two Towers and LEGO BRICKS!!! And everytime it's TACO who publishes them and ON THE FUCKING FRONT PAGE!!! Fuck off *LAMER* TACO!! Stay beyond the boundaries of the lamerland!!!
I read the book so obviously nothing surprises me but I was a bit irritated reading the second review(i didn't finish it) and it started giving a scene by scene account of the movie, I didn't want to read a summary of the screenplay.
The thing I want to know, Is if Enya did sing /write another set of songs for this movie and if she will for the next.
I really like "May It Be", and I still think she deserved an award for it.
So, did she?
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I bought the Theatrical Release and Extended versions and don't regret it. Although the original is, IMHO, a superior film, the extras on the Extended version are just insane. The documentaries are about 6 hours total and they actually work well together. I've watched the first extra disc and I think that disc alone was worth the price of the set.
Yes, I bought into the marketing, but for $25 (minue free movie ticket), you won't hear my complaining.
Has anyone here watched the movie(s) first and then read the books? Would you have done it the other way around if you could?
Pull the hook out of your lip dude...
I wonder if you also get modded down as a troll because of pointing that out. :)
Don't say you weren't warned. I'm not reading them. I finished re-reading TTT saturday, and am ready to see Ents walk.
:)
Since when the editors read the articles anyway?
Aint It Cool acts like it is slashdotted. Linking to an aintitcool.com story on Slashdot is only pouring more gasoline on the fire.
It seems a little odd to me to worry about spoilers in a movie adaptation of a book that was published something like six decades ago.
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Which is exactly like the book. What did you expect?
(The guy is named Boromir.)
Not any more of a troll than you by your standards, obviously.
You will die alone.
........starting something bad here
To calibrate my opinions against specific other people's opinions on a known movie, so that if I'm ever wondering about a movie in the future, I know who to turn to for a review.
Quite effective, actually.
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You shall not pass. I shall NOT read the spoilers and become corrupted. Behind me Satan, and may Jebus be my light. HE should confound the critics so that they may not reveal what will lay hidden until that fateful day of reckoning comes to pass later this month at the local theater.
My response was sarcastic because I also pointed out that the second review gave a scene by scene account of the movie and I got modded down as a troll. Don't know why, though.
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I wish I could remember the article you stole that from. Possibly its your and you are just reusing it, but I hate it when people kharma whore off of other peoples funny comments.
Why, o why must the sky fall when I've learned to fly?
...but I have one problem with it. Every single character looks totally gay. I just could not stop thinking about how inbetween scenes everyone would start buttfucking each other. Even Liv Tyler looked queer. What I'm trying to say is that these guys are more queer than Frank Decaro.
We need comic relief in epic movies as much as we need Jar Jar Binks to show up in The Return Of The King. IMHO it is atrocious to have humor in any serious work of epic scope. I never felt that Gimli served that purpose in the novel and I certainly despise this act by Peter Jackson.
The "Two Towers" are Orthanc and Minas Morgul, not Barad-dur; at least, that's what it says in the intro to the book. The film makers got it wrong.
Since the cover of my old copy of TTT has those two kings that the movie Fellowship ended with before Merry and Pippin got snatched, I always thought the two towers were those two kings. Oh well.
Eat at Joe's.
RMS would call it GNU/The Two Towers.
Don't know about the book, I haven't read them. I didn't expect it from such a mainstream movie, I expected more resolution. They could have cut up the trilogy in three or more different pieces to satisfy the hollywood audience. But as I said, they didn't, and they didn't have to, because it works as it is.
- Gandalf is dead or missing
:puts fingers in ears:
He's dead, you see him falling to his death.
He's dead! nah nah nah nah nah nah I'm not listening he's dead nah nah nah nah nah nah
Never confuse volume with power.
I only read the last paragraph of movie reviews for films I'm interested in. The last paragraph rarely gives away major plot elements and never has the details but summarizes the Yea or Nae view view of the reviewer.
Yes, that explanation seems to be the best, after viewing all the comments about it. But when reading the books few years ago I thought that The Two Towers had to be Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul. It's wrong though, since they get to Minas Tirith not until the beginning of third book.
yes indeed, the reviews have a lot of spoilers that people who've read the book would be well-advised to avoid. The lightsoutentertainment review in particular is not recommended if you have read the book- I'm very disappointed that I read it because it makes the movie sound *too* different from the canon, and I'd prefer to go in without any significant expectations, either way.
In any case, it looks like TTT rocks and I can't wait to see it!
So long, and thanks for all the Phish
I've read the first book and seen the first movie...it was a very good movie, to the point that many things I was imagining when reading where the same in the movie.
But there was a little problem: the sense of time. In the book, there are weeks(months ?) that pass between the party Baggins throws at the beggining and the end of the book, where is in the movie it seems that the total adventure runs a few days only. This resulted to the movie missing some of the epic tone of the book.
I hope that they have done a better job in TTT regarding time.
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Hey Taco! Looks like you're using the "infinite monkeys and typewriters" scheme to generate Ask Slashdots again...
His name IS Boromir, but he actually dies at the beginning of The Two Towers book.
The movie went a slightly further into the whole LOTR story than the book did.
Read the books.
A little off topic, but I have a question for LOTR fans. I've just finished the book, down to the very end. But seeing the map, there's something bothering me about the logic of the story
In the map, I can see that Minas Tirith, Osgiliath, the Cross Road, Minas Morgul, Cirith Ungol, and then Mt. Doom went almost in a straight line. So, it's only logical for me that the great battles should take place somewhere in this line, rather than far north in Morannon.
When Frodo arrived in the Black Gate of Morannon, Gollum argued that Sauron's attention would be concentrated in the north. 'He thinks no one can come to the Moontower without fighting big battles at the bridges, or getting lots of boats which they cannot hide and He will know about'. Off course Gollum was probably lying, but to me that statement was very ridiculous. After all, though he had enemies all round him, Minas Tirith was the nearest and that path was the most logical
When finally the Captains of the West captured the Crossroad (without big battles at the bridges, nor lots og boats), they again make a ridiculous move by riding north for several days to knock Mordor at their 'front door'. Off course Gandalf supposedly try to drive Sauron's attention away from Cirith Ungol where Frodo would pass, but actually he should know (by Faramir's account) that at that time Frodo was long gone from the pass
And then a logical move for Sauron is to take back the Crossroad (instead of moving his army to the north) and then either chase the silly army from behind of attemp another strike at Minas Tirith. After all he still outnumbers his enemies many time over at that point
Well, that's what's bugging me, hope someone could give a logical explanation
Ah hah. My mistake.
The two stone kings are the Argonath; they are sculptures, not towers. Towers are tall buildings you can live in or fight from; they aren't sculptures.
Actually they are already planning it, but you have to remember, all true believers begin counting at 0 :)
According to Time Peter Jackson fought with the studio to pick up the second film exactly where the first left off, as if you just stepped out for a popcorn refil without any voice over or flashbacks.
But it seems to me that some people missed the conflict and resolution of Fellowship even when the director ADDED AN ADDITIONAL SCENE OF DIALOG BETWEEN ARAGORN AND FRODO TO MAKE THE CONFLICT EXPLICIT! The conflict is that the ring corrupts everything that comes near it making the Fellowship its self a threat to the quest. The resolution is that Ringbearer tries to go alone.
There have been a few comments (generally joking) about the two towers name and its similarity to the world trade center disaster. I think it is bogus, of course, but the wtc group seems to be trying as hard as they can to fuel the fire. Did anyone notice that the unveiling of the new WTC Plans will occur on the same day LOTR is being released? Who's the genius there?
-Sean
I'm confused... I get the impression from these reviews that Shelob isn't included in LOTR:TTT. How could that be?
I figured Shelob would be one of the more exciting sequences in the movie, but now I find I may have to wait until next year?
Lord have mercy on my soul!
- Frodo discovers that Arwen is his sister, hence clearing the way for Aragorn. And to think that he kissed her. Eeeuw.
- Cute low-tech nature-loving freedom-fighters defeat the Uruk-hai stormtroopers by dropping trees on them. Like that's believable!
- Pippin gets even more annoying: "Meesa think Strider doosna know about second breakfast"
And... of course... at the very end...Gollum is kicking Frodo's ass ("and now, young Bagginsses
I think Lucas has a good plaigarism case against Tolkien.
I went ahead and pooped.
Just want to keep slashdot apprised.
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now going to war for that is something different.
Exactly how long do you think you can keep your trolling expedition up? :-)
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Nooooooo! I didn't want to know that ents are going to walk, you heartless mob! You spoiled the whole movie for me!
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no you dont, foo. you have a complete version of what the third movie is based on, a huge difference. and no, you arent so cool. but i am, hah!
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Well written reviews don't just state whether the movie was good or not. They have insights, background on directors/actors. If you only look at a thumbs up or a thumbs down on a review then you probably are the type of person who thinks movie reviewers are useless.
Who will win in a fight, Gimly or Breunor Battlehammer? I think the king of Mithril hall would kick funny boys ass.
Now how will we find out who the long dead soul in the darkness was?
I thought I'd stopped. I just felt that that response deserved a reply.
You can still get Bored Of The Rings, which is a 1969-era parody. Oh, wait, you'd have to read the real books first to get most of the jokes :-)
My guess is that Jackson would like people to go back and see the movie more than once. The ending of TTT, as written, is incredibly bleak. And any approach I can think of filming that ending would leave the audience incredibly depressed, if not outright weeping. This is not the condition you leave your audience in if you want them to see the movie ever again. Even Empire Strikes Back, as dark as the ending is, manages to finish on a hopeful note and not leave the audience in despair.
This is, I reiterate, just my theory. Not based on anything Jackson has said.
so did anybody actually see the character mentioned in the PopSci article about the curious warrior that answers a cell phone in the middle of the big fight?
...also, in Germany I believe that "OV" usually designates an original-version film. In this case, it would be in English. :}
nough said
Actually they did cut it a little differently, Boromir doesn't die until the second volume, which would've been awkward in a movie.
YOu are exactly right there. In the book, Gimli has no point of speaking at all, so when he roars in with his desire to swing at orc-necks, comparing numbers with Legolas throughout the battle, it can only be seen by the reader as comical. The author wanted to inspire the reader's heart to blast hot blood and yummy adrenaline through the reader's body in the hopes of making sure his battle scene wasn't too dry or boring. Great comment, Marshall. I hope you get modded up for +6 PRACTICALITY: NOT OBSESSED WITH WOW-AND-FLICKER OF MODERN MOVIE-MAKING.
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This article has an interesting slant on it.
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I always thought it was a bit of a crusades metaphor.
However, anyone who's not a fan of star trek might get the gist (and anyone who wants to mention the black secretary.....you have been warned).
From the look of the comments posted so far, it appears that nobody has read the reviews (even though they argue that those who have read the books shouldn't have to worry about spoilers.)
Or isn't that how slashdot always works?
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
No, no... he's resting.
So, what were the original titles? North Tower and South Tower? :P That's the name it was published under, so that is what the name is. What the other possible names may have been is by now quite irrelevant.
Has anyone managed to download it yet from one of the p2p's? If so, which one, and which copy? I tried to download the second Harry Potter movie and got a pr0n and the first Harry Potter movie instead!
Cheers, Joshua
When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!
"I wished I'd worn a tie so I could strangle myself."
I'll be nice and warn you that there is a third movie going out christmas 2003, so you know what to do with the ties you are going to receive this christmas.
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Here ends the first part of the history of the War of the Rings.
The second part is called The Two Towers, since the events recounted in it are dominated by Orthanc, the citadel of Saruman, and the fortress Minas Morgul, that guards the secret entrance to Mordor...
This is found on page 529 of the 1987 reprinting of the Unwin Paperback (ISBN 0-04-823185-1).
I'm not sure if Tolkein wrote those words himself, or if they were added by his publisher, but unless Tolkein said something to the contrary, they are probably as canonical as anything.
If I can be modded down for being a troll, can I be modded up for being an orc, or a balrog?
Mmm, a sexalogy.
/me drools
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
Some guy named Tolkien spoiled the whole movie about 50 years ago, and I think most people here have already seen it.
Oh my god
He must have been looking in the future
stop that man ! he is a terrorist !!!
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Be serious. Spoilers? The books have been available for quite a long time. Reminds me of those people who walked out of the theater after the first movie grumbling about not knowing what happens next...
After all, Sauron lives in the White House and Saruman lives in London.
..to visit the local computer stores >:D i would like to inform you all, that a vidoe with the bloopers from the first 2 segments has been produced, and only a few people so far have actualy seen it. I had the opertunity to see it a few days ago(sometimes living in new zealand kicks ass :). The video was a limited vewing release, and it had <b>Property of new line cinema</b> 2/3 way down the screen the WHOLE time, so if some tv corp got hold of it, it would be useless.
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<b>THE ENTS</b>
What a shame it was when i saw one on the bloopers, unlike the book they are not very tall and imposing. maybe 6' tall, no more!
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shit OMFG<br>
i spoilt it for everyone.
oh well.
another thing i am puting my $ on happening, is the mass general public hating the second movie, as it does not have much details about the ring it self. those who have not read the book will then shun the 3rd segment.... wonder what jackson has planned to make the 2nd segment more understandable to a mass audience?
Why didn't Gandalf and frodo hop on the giant eagle and fly to mount doom to drop the ring in. The eagles seem to be able to fly around in all the books fairly freely.
Perhaps this is the case because it is not a movie from Hollywood?
It was shot in New Zealand by a New Zealand director. All the CGI was done by a New Zealand company built up by Peter Jackson (the aforementioned director). The only thing that came from Hollywood was the money and a few of the actors.
These movies would have been complete rubbish if the producers (oh, whoops, they did come from LA) had had their way. Originally they wanted Peter to make a one movie version of LOTR. Two and a half hours... can you imagine? Peter, being genius that he is, managed to slowly get more and more money out of Hollywood and extend the idea until finally he had three full length movies in which to weave some New Zealand style magic.
You can thank our beautiful nation later.
Hansel Dunlop
PS:Steven Speilberg's industrial light and magic? what have they ever done that wasn't dripping with cheese.
First of all, I can't wait to see TTT for myself. I really liked FOTR, and actuallly hadn't read LOTR before I saw it. I've read the book a couple of time since, and ditto on Silmarillion. Speaking of which, in retrospect, I found the Silmarillion to be even more interesting than LOTR. Maybe its just me, but I sure would love to see another trilogy based off of the Silmarillion. Maybe I just have a deep fascination with the elves and the elvish languages, but I thought the Silmarillion was enthralling in a whole different way than LOTR. To be fair, I had to read LOTR first to appreciate the Silmarillion, which I would suspect is a common statement for those who have read both. I think it would be incredibly cool to have even more advanced CG re-enact the music of the ainur and the days of the 2 trees in Valinor. Hell, if the movie makers wanted to get really greedy they could split the Silmarillion up into probably 10 - 16 episodes, which would be just fine by me, provided of course that each episode was released every 4 months or so... ;-)
What could possibly hurt the security of the American people more than giving our own government the ability to hide its
Hey Slashdot reader my English's a little bad. But I did see J. R. R. Tolkien's book on the big screen. Purists will not like it I bet. Too much is changed from the book. There is no Shelob, a romance is added and some other things. The average movie-goer will love this movie, most of all kiddies. There are lots of whiz bang special effects. Gollum is great, not quite as good as Dr. Sid from FINAL FANTASY: THE SPIRIT STALLION but better than Dobby the house-elf from THE HARRY CHAMBER POT SECRETS. Gandalf is not in the movie much and is always serious, so he's no fun. Where is Bilbo, he wasn't in this movie. Wasn't he in the book, I am certain I remember him fencing with Tom Bombadil at one point. Anyway the battle scenes were astounding, but you know what I liked BRAVE HEART's better. The CGI is obvious and distracting, wish they had just used 30,000 extras. I think that idea is feasible. But the battles were good, the elves all do MATRIX moves, flipping and sliding over all manner of surfaces like stairs and horses and once between two orcs and once on a ceiling. Elf craziness? ! I thought orcs were corrupted elves anyway, why can they not flip and slide on things I wonder. Why are they gross disgusting brutes. The orcs suck By The Way. Their make-up is so B-Movieish. They look crap, like some cheesy alien from Star Trek dipped in goo. I feel sorry for those young kids whose first exposure to the story is this movie, for their image of orcs will be those MEET THE FEEBLES rejects. So, this movie has some cool battles with crap orcs and flipping and sliding elves even though I think logically they should both be able to flip and slide. The Ents are great. When the Tree Man does his dance it is tremendous. Merry and Pippin were paid to be in this movie? They could have been CGId in easily I think, for their parts were scarce and meaningless. The movie could have done with more trees, though. The trees were jawsome, anyone that does not think so is probably not an environmentalist. Saruman does some Mortal Kombat type crap again, Peter Jackson has almost ruined these movies with his B-Movie touches (a la LSD Galadriel, Demon-Face Bilbo and Wizard Staff Fight from the first one). In one part he wields a staff-spear on a magic chain and he hurls it like the yellow ninja from that game. And right after that Gimli yells "Finish him!!!", so I question whether it was intentional cheese. This movie was OK I give it a B-. If you read this review you automatically agree to be bound by the terms of my ERLA which states that you must buy me a cloaking device for my car like James Bond has come on you Americans I know your DARPA has invented it already cough it up. You are bound by my ERLA.
I only stated the "Bowling for Columbine" film, because it's a different approach on all the happy woooeey films that try to show america. I didn't say that it's 100% accurate, but it sure does show some of the problems.
Anyway, the fact is that all that thing with the Twin Towers / Two Towers is stupid. Some people think that, every note of more than one Tower means the World Trade Center, it should change like it never happened. This is sacrilege, both to the Writer's work and to the WTC. As I said before, and noted a million times in here, Tolkien never knew of the WTC -- he was not Nostradamus. As for the WTC it happened. It happened for known reasons, for unknown reasons but it happened. I'd feel the same if the Acropolis (yes I am Greek) was destroyed but I would accept the fact that it happened. By banning everything WTC (no naming, no noting, no referring) you destroy the memory of WTC, not keeping it alive.
LOL! That's hillarious... History repeats itself...
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* PAWS allows us longer timeouts and large windows, so once implemented
* ftp to mars will work nicely.
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