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Opera Releases Version 7 For Linux
Wee writes "I happened to notice this morning that Opera 7 for Linux has been released. New features include fastforward and rewind, the ability to take notes in conjuction with web pages, a cookie manager, a password manager, and a very serviceable integrated email client called M2 (which was previously only available for the Windows version). Version 7 of Opera also represents a complete code rewrite, from the rendering engine up, and the improvements are fairly significant. Mirrors for debs, rpms and tarballs are on Opera's download page."
Warning! Opera isn't free software.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Wasn't version 7 for linux released about a month ago? I know I remember the slashdot articles :p
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/12/224822 3&mode=thread
Does this version still display the MSN homepage in Sweedish Chef?
All of that new functionality, and I still can only send the equivalent of postcards -- Opera's M2 Email client doesn't have any support for PGP or GPG at all.
:)
While their initial betas were pretty shaky, this "gold" build is very stable and looks terrific. Once they get the PGP/GPG thing sorted out, I'll have to evaluate it against Mozilla and see which I like more
"To make a mistake is only human; to persist in a mistake is idiotic." Cicero
I am a registered user of the Win/Linux versions. I am pretty disappointed. It has some unique features, but if you do much ecommerce, etc on the web, you will have to have another browser (i.e. MSN Money, etc, I know the evil M$). I did the advocacy thing, but had to get work done. I also don't appreciate their licensing model that is pretty Microsoft-ish. My question is why a closed, not free product gets a plug every time they put out a new release? Is this one of those nested advertisements?
True it may not be open source, But No one claimed that it was free software. Heck, the title for slashdot even says, News for nerd, Stuff that Matters. It dosent say, all free software.
Great. By releasing this newwer version of Opera, they are helping them get themselves more credit in the browser market. This will make it harder for designers to make the point that IE is the most used browser, so we will target only them, an idea of the past. Its hurting the Microsoft monopoly. I support this move all the way. It will make content more execessable to Linux users, but in the process will force people to make their information accessable to everyone without IE by weaning away from their IE only technologies (like VBScript, ActiveX controls, ASP.NET objects designed just for IE, and a number of other MS only techs). I don't personally like Opera but I use Mozilla (mostly the Firebird/Phonix version).
No.
Obviously, that's not what I want.
Is the RELEASE better in this respect?
Rainer
Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
The first Opera 7 release on Linux is version 7.11, bringing Opera for Linux up to the same level of development as Windows, with Opera 7.11 for Windows being released just last week.
Hah!
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When I use it, it just doesn't feel right. It's too different from Mozilla/IE. I can't really explain what it is, but... it's just odd.
Fat lady in viking hat not included.
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Anybody know if Opera supports jpeg2000 (.jp2)? There's an enhancement request for Mozilla, but I don't think it's going anywhere. And it's rumoured that Konq will have some kind of support in version 3.2. What about Opera?
To fix this, you have to "rpm -Uvh openmotif21-2.1.30-6.i386.rpm" from one of your Red Hat install CDs (yep, the older openmotif21 RPM is not installed by default on Red Hat 8.0). Sadly, this crucial dependency problem is not mentioned on either the download page or the FAQ, but is buried in their knowledge base here. Hope this helps folks struggling out there...
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I used to use Opera a lot. Primarily due to the fact that I could have it open up with all my web pages at once. Now that I can do this with Mozilla, I no longer use Opera. The only thing I still miss are the mouse gestures.
From what I've read, people have had 50/50 success with getting flash working correctly. Sort of the same thing that's been haunting Firebird/Phoenix.
So my question is, have you gotten Flash to run correctly under the new Opera, and more importantly, why are there so many problems with these fringe browsers and Flash?
Loomis
"The television is the retina of the mind's eye" - Videodrome
It's nice that Opera is independant of the wintel world, but it doesn't deserve half the play it gets in the press or here on slashdot. Additionally most Slashdotters probably either suck up IE because they don't care or go open source with any number of alternates.
Want to see something really funny? Install any version of Opera from 7.0b2 on a windows machine with Adobe Type Manager installed. Open Opera and it shows pages in all sorts of wacky fonts, from webdings to other symbol based font libraries. And on top of that it changes per site and per session!
Opera doesn't offer any value whatsoever, and I'm boggled people pay for it. It isn't as fast or technologically agile as other free browsers (Moz being an example), it's bug riddled (hitting back forward back quickly crashes it), and it's heinous looking.
Didn't teh bubble teach anyone anything? VALUE IS KING.
-rt
# ln -s ../../X11R6/lib/libXm.so.3 /usr/local/lib/libXm.so.2
# ldconfig
# rpm --nodeps -ivh opera-7.11-20030515.4-shared-qt.i386.rpm
Works perfectly, as far as I can tell.
How am I supposed to fit a pithy, relevant quote into 120 characters?
[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]
When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.
Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.
FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.
It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.
So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.
Discussion
I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.
From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.
There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.
Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.
Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?
Shouts
To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.
To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It'
Have you tried Optimoz Mouse Gestures?
Google doesn't index user sigs, so stop trying to "Google Bomb" with them.
Every new Opera version is a complete rewrite. That says something right there.
To fix this, you have to rpm -Uvh openmotif21-2.1.30-6.i386.rpm
Gee, I wonder why Joe User in content browsing with IE, rather than trying Linux.
Check out the Mozilla Mouse Gestures project. I don't use Opera, so I'm not sure if it reproduces all Opera gestures, but knowing Mozilla, there will be a very awkward but powerful way to customize it the way you like... - Eric
Does it have support for the bold tag () yet? That will be awesome, I can use styled text in my web page.
Hopefully by 8.0 the <i> tag will be in full effect (that's italic for all you sorry saps still using those other browsers without Opera's sophisticated rendering engine.).
I hope they fixed the bug where two paragraphs in a row made it crash.. but who uses paragraphs anyway?
I can't wait for the Opera user's club meeting next week, the two of us are going to a movie!
Opera RULEZ0RZ!
Customer: Waiter, there's a fly in my pizza!
Waiter: What do you expect, sir, we bought our pizzas from the corner shop!
Customer: Waiter, there's a fly in my pizza!
Waiter: That's a very diplomatic way of putting it. Shall I ask that Coon opposite you to leave?
Customer: Waiter, there's a coon in my coon!
Waiter: Never mind the coon! Get your coon out of my coons, sir!
...when you don't care about being correct. I grabbed a copy of 7.11 to see what's what. It's still blazingly fast, but can't render DOM/JS heavy content that both Mozilla and MSIE can.
It looks like they have indeed given up on working on the Mac version.
? pl atform=mac
http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/index.dml
I don't think a lot of Mac users will miss it, however. With Safari doing the things that people would have bought Opera for, its a tough sell. Of course, Opera could have made it better for themselves by making a browser that wasn't dog slow on the Mac.
KDE 3.1.2 was released today. Gentoo users are already using and it is quite nice! Too bad you guys are still waiting for the KDE3 debs to arrive in sarge. For about a year, now.
Note the RedHat 7 RPMs will not install either, it has the wrong path for the qt3 libraries.
DZM
Warning! You're a stupid Linux Nerd GNU/Loser!
Opera Software ASA
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What I would like to know is does the Adobe SVG plugin work with Opera?
I guess it is a sign of the times, when the latest Opera versions for Linux are released much sooner then the same release for OS X.
Real men don't need signitures!!!
We used to have this developer that used to piss off everyone at the office. So one night I went to his workstation, removed Linux and installed Windows. Then I pissed all over his chair. After that I wanked off into his coffee mug just for good measure.
Still, I felt like I wasn't done, so I pulled down my britches and dropped a load right on his keyboard.
You should've seen his face the next day when he came into work. He was like, "Ugh, gross! Someone installed Windows on my workstation!"
Needless to say, he didn't fuck with anyone at the office after that.
Read dude!
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Opera has a lot going for it.
In the past, Opera made a name for itself by being a smaller, faster browser. That's still true, but now it also has a superior feature set that elevates it above all browsers.
Som of the better features include:
Sessions - allow you to open up many different pages at once, either at startup or at any time;
Mouse gestures - semi-intuitive mouse click and movement patterns that allow you to go back (hold down right mouse button, click the left one), go forward (hold down left mouse button, click the right one), etc, that greatly speed up the browsing experience;
Notes - just what the name suggests; this lets you save and enter snippets of text to and from a browser window;
M2 mail client - integrated mail client with spam filtering and POP3, IMAP, and ESMTP support;
Wand - a fantastic password manager that saves lots of time when logging into sites;
Transfers - a decent download manager; and
Fast Forward and Rewind - lets you navigae forward automatically using the most obvious link (which can great but can also be a bit hit and miss sometimes).
That's not an exhaustive list, it's just some of the features that I've found in Opera that make me love it. Yes, some of these features can be found in Mozilla but, equally, some of them can't.
And while Opera might not be free, it's not exactly a rip-off either. True, there is an ad-supported version that won't cost you anything (and that doesn't impact on your surfing speed - check out the Opera website to find out why) but when a product's this good and "just works", why not support the developers by buying it?
If you haven't already tried Opera then do it right away. Give it a month or two and you'll never want to go back to MSIE, Netscape, Mozilla or whatever else you've been using.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
I just installed the beta last night!
I uploaded 7.11 this morning, actually... and the differences are AMAZING! The rendering is VASTLY improved! Not giving up Mozilla completely, yet, but I'll be browsing with Opera for the next week to give it a fair shake.
-ZOD-
Rather than just some assertions?
Opera simply works in the vast majority of cases for me.
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Is there any way to configure it to create real windows instead of virtual windows inside a single X11 window?
That's always stopped me dead cold - my window manager should run the show..
[checks to see if Satan is skating]
Please help metamoderate.
I just tried Opera for the first time. After 10 minutes of playing around with it, I'm ready to switch. It's free-as-in-beer, if your willing to look at a half banner ad in the upper right corner. Totally free software is great, but I don't mind closed source if you get what you pay for and the vendor doesn't try to lock you in or obstruct competition.
As we all know, we take FREE SOFTWARE seriously around here.
When we say free, we really, really mean free damn it!!
So, in that, where's the free serial???
Such a user would just use the pre-installed copies of Mozilla or Konqueror much like the similar lemming-type winDOS user.
OTOH, one could just download the "static zipfile" and not have to worry about such issues.
Your blatherings would be more appropriately directed towards the Win32 versions of Opera or Mozilla.
Comparing 3rd party packages to bundleware based on "ease of installation" is just plain LAME.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
You mean the Win32 versions of Opera, Mozilla, and Opera that install by clicking on "setup.exe"?
I tried this also on my RH9 system and yes, it forced the install but I still have problems. Only root can run Opera and I get a message complaining of a segmentation fault and it does not find my java installation which I have.
It seems very very fast but I also seem to have some font problems. The menu bar fonts are very small and the rest of the page seems a size or two large.
I really want to use Opera but these install problems are simply not acceptable. I had to pay up another $15 to upgrade from 6 to 7 and this shouldn't be happening.
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I've only got the Windows version to go on at the moment but Opera 7 can window every which way you like. Tabs, subwindows or top level windows in whatever mixture you choose.
In this respect Opera have done a great job in sidestepping any doctrinal war and just letting each user work however suits them best.
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Ich liebe dich!
Not trying to be a troll here.. I really liked Opera 6.x, but I always found the fonts difficult to read, so I ended up using Mozilla more frequently. Have there been many (any?) improvements with 7.11 that don't require a lot of adjustments to the default settings?
It means that 36 keys or so on my keyboard that could be used for a variety of navigation/other functions are instead reserved for one single function. To me this seems an incredibly inefficient way of using the keyboard.
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Cookie manager, password manager, skinning, fine, fine.
This is the part I actually care about:
The standards support in Opera 7 has been improved with added support for DOM level 2 and CSS2; improved ECMAScript and HTML 4.01 support; and complete WML 1.3 and 2.0 support. Opera 7 also handles non-standard pages using DHTML, giving Opera's millions of old and new users a hassle-free Internet experience.
That is what's important to me. What I ultimately want to hear is that Opera can render everything Internet Explorer 6.0 can, if not more. Most websites are designed with IE in mind--like it or not, the dominant browser drives website innovation, not the W3C. It's not right, but that's how it is.
The only way I would ever switch to Opera would be if I knew I was going to have the same, or better, viewing functionalty as IE. It looks as if they're finally making progress in this respect.
The coolest voice ever.
Ironically enough, my Opera crashed on me when I viewed this... Looks like there's still some work to do ;)
I will not be upgrading to 7.0 any time soon.
Not just because i'd have to upgrade my registration key to get rid of the ads, but because the entire ui just feels dumb. They threw the baby out with the bathwater.
I don't like the new UI. If they release a skin that makes it look and behave like opera 6 (or, better yet, 5), maybe I might consider it then, but they also dumbed down the configuration interface.
Great to hear that it's a complete rewrite. I guess now they'll never fix the ECMA bugs in 6.12.
This is just like television, only you can see much further.
This is something I have been waiting for forever. I mean I dont mind the plain opt for scroll, but the opt-mod in transparency is JUST KICK ASS when attached to the left scroll device feature. Man it used to be gustures, but I can really see this taking aff as more users find ways to use it!
stay away it's not free as in beer or as in food or as in whatever the tired cliche is holy siht
Very trendy stuff these days. It's right up there with
So long, michael. Don't let the door hit you...
I use Opera 7.11 on Windoze and I can't make heads or tails of your post. What is opt-mod and what is left-scrolling?:)
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
I found that an advantage of Opera gestures is that you use them by clicking the right mouse button. In Mozilla you have to use the left mouse button if you want to get anything usable out of the gestures which is still a bit awkward. Configuring them for the right button combines the gestures with the context menu which just doesn't work. Also Opera captures the gestures much better than Mozilla that doesn't figure out the gesture pretty often.
Unless disabling "Find as you type" enables the sort of rich keyboard interface that Opera provides that doesn't really get me anywhere though...
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Stop posting about opera. What's happening with Mozilla?!
Or the Linux version that you install by running "install.sh".
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
keep the kiddie porn to yourself man.
"Warning! The slice of pizza I had for lunch wasn't free either.
Some things are just worth paying for."
Sex must have bankrupt you then.
nt
Not just that; I still haven't been able to make it run with my university's IMAP server. Which is a pity though; was playing around with it with another POP mailbox I have, and the M2 stuff looks terrific.
[Note that I'm not saying that it's unworkable with any IMAP server; just that I haven't been able to get it working. Time to buy a student licence and mail the developers, you'd think. ;-) ]
More than mere navel gazing.
That's nothing!
Ninnle users have had it running for weeks now!
Using the tag already in html, with the next relation provides this. Also, type-ahead find doesn't have anything to do with url auto-completion. It has to do with finding links/text in a webpage.
What's with all these silly assed coon jokes, anyway?
All they do is to get in the way of my plugs for the great Ninnle Linux!
Unless you count multiple crash inducing bugs as features. :)
-rt
I am so retro, I must be the coolest of the cool!
I browse the internet using my Commodore 64!
or, get apt-rpm from, say http://apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org, and then from the command line
sudo apt-get install openmotif21
and it will be magically installed.
Customer: Waiter, there's a coon in my Linux!
Waiter: What do you expect, sir, we bought our Linux from the corner shop!
Customer: Waiter, there's a coon in my Linux!
Waiter: That's a very diplomatic way of putting it. Shall I ask that Coon opposite you to leave?
Customer: Waiter, there's a copy of Ninnle Linux in my goathole!
Waiter: I guess it must be one of them plugs, sir!
Nooooo! They're evil, too!
Netscape/Mozilla/Firebird/Explorer /Konqueror are good enough for me. So I would rather donate that 40$ to charity than buying a web browser.
It seems to work here. Oh, and it seems to work here too.
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Try this:
.js. install flash. and restore your .js. Supposedly newer builds don't have this problem. Heh, what a build to pick of the .6 release.
flash installer ruins all.js
Essentially copy your
As a software geek I have one question about Opera 7: Did they improve the W3C DOM support which has been lacking in prior versions? I am mostly a back end Java programmer, but occasionally I am asked to write web pages and Opera compatibility is often a problem with DHTML because they support a relatively small subset of W3C DOM and lie about browser versions in the HTTP headers.
now with free spyware!
Every win2k machine I have ever installed it on I have to turn of JAVA support or the broweser crashed constantly.. kinda sad actually.
Oh well..
"Consider how lucky you are that life has been good to you so far. Alternatively, if life hasn't been good to you so far
And we still use it :P
/. kick ass ! Is it not possible to have blacklist on the advertisers ?
By the way, seeing MS advertisement on
-SLK
Hooray, Opera doesn't mangle www.cba.com.au like Mozilla does.
bloated, ugly and slow or small, nice and fast!
Opera's an interesting browser, but under Linux it's slower to run and takes longer to start up than Firebird. In addition, I'm not entirely sure how to get anti-aliased fonts working on it, which is somewhat of a must. So for me, it doesn't meet Mozilla's standards. Does it start up any faster on Windows?
Time to buy a student licence and mail the developers, you'd think. ;-)
You don't need to buy a license to report a bug. And you could also try news.opera.no and get some help there.
There's a bug in how Opera handles encrypted SMTP also - but we've posted a description of the error in their forum and it'll "hopefully" be fixed in 7.20 ..
(For the interested: Opera does not send a second EHLO after STARTTLS, thus quits since it didn't find an AUTH the first time around)
it's in my head
This is possible because Opera has two great features: 1. On Windows at least (I have no idea about the Linux version), it installs cleanly to a directory. There are no hard coded registry keys or such. Everything is under the installation directory. 2. It has a great crash recovery feature. If a PC (or just Opera) crash for whatever reason, I just relaunch it and it will get me back to exactly where I was before the crash, and all the pages loaded from cache. If you want to do the same, here is the trick: 1. Install Opera to a directory in your USB flash card, ie, K:\Opera 2. Configure all that you want. 3. That is it. Now, the only thing that is hard coded in the installation is the drive letter (K in the example above), so when you go to the other machine, just issue the DOS command "SUBST G: K:\". This will give you a new drive named K: pointing to the actual USB drive, which is G: in the example. Have fun.
This is possible because Opera has two great features:
1. On Windows at least (I have no idea about the Linux version), it installs cleanly to a directory. There are no hard coded registry keys or such. Everything is under the installation directory.
2. It has a great crash recovery feature. If a PC (or just Opera) crashes for whatever reason, I just relaunch it and it will get me back to exactly where I was before the crash, and all the pages will load from the up-to-the-minute cache.
If you want to do the same, here is the trick:
1. Install Opera to a directory in your USB memory stick, ie, K:\Opera
2. Configure all that you want.
3. That is it. Now, the only thing that is hard coded in the installation is the drive letter (K in the example above), so when you go to the other machine, just issue the DOS command "SUBST G: K:\".
This will give you a new drive named K: pointing to the actual USB drive, which is G: in the example.
Now I have my favorite browser, my links, and the web papges I was reading last all in my key ring. Can't say I can do this with any other browser.
Have fun.
""We are continuing to work on the Mac version," said Tetzchner in an interview."
Clever signature text goes here.
Opera 6/Linux had always been substandard, IMO. The interface was clunky and unneccessarily big, the font management was bad, and it was very unsynchronised with the Windows version.
But Opera 7.11 final (not betas) is indescribably excellent. It is now almost a mirror of the Windows version, skinning support is excellent, fonts are beautiful out of the box, and everything is now suddenly very, very, very polished.
post more opera stories!!!
After seeing the Firebird announcement here a few days ago I tried it, and haven't gone back to Mozilla *or* Opera.
Firebird is good. Say it with me.
mozilla is still too good for opera to expect money
I was a big fan of Opera for Windows for years, and was a registered user. I switched to Linux, and used Opera 5.x and 6.x, and I was very unhappy with the product.
The port was broken and incomplete. Each time time that Espen and the guys working on the Linux port would release a new version, something new would be broken. I had tons of problems with things in 6.x.
-Crashing.
-QT skinning.
-The download manager would halt.
-Opera would cause very high CPU load.
-Java and other plugins didn't work worth a squat.
-Pages would render strangely.
-Features were missing that seemed fine in the Windows version.
-And many more problems.
No matter how frequently I, and other users of the Linux Opera 6 would notify the coders, our suggestions were ignored. Excuses were always given. It was always "a bug in QT" or some other excuse.
I got tired of excuses and software that wasn't up to par... Software that *I paid for*. I switched to Phoenix/Firebird, and haven't looked back. It's now getting up to Opera's speed, and is becoming a fine browser.
What's my point in commenting on this? I feel that Opera neglected to deliver a good product to Linux users. Many people who paid for Opera 6 were never given a finished product, and Opera still expected them to pay the price to upgrade to version 7. Perhaps things will change with Opera 7. I've checked it out, and it's certainly gaining more features, and the codebase is allegedly going to be shared with the Windows version now. That's good. But I still can't help but feel that they've cheated their customers. I know that I'm not the only former Opera user that has since switched to Mozilla Firebird. I'm not saying that everyone should do the same. Use which product suits your needs. But I wanted everyone to be aware of my situation with these guys.
about this sort of thing?
The opera-linux mailing list is amazing. (http://list.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/opera-linu x)
There's a couple of developers who are actively on the list. Report a (linux specific) bug, the developer checks it out, and fixes it, usually with only a one day turn around.
Mozilla developers on the other hand, (and most big open source projects, now that I think about it) aren't responsive at all.
File a bug report. They might get around to looking at it. Or not. The problem with scratching itches is that the festering gangrenous wound is ignored while the itch between the shoulder blades has been rubbed until raw. (mozilla/firebird is *still* a bloated dog (and becoming more so), but there's a *TON* of widgets that start the coffee pot based on a mouse gesture).
</fanboy>
upgrade ur internet connection instead
My Mozilla runs beautifully under both Slackware and FreeBSD!! So why use Opera? Or other Linuces / Unices? Mozilla rocks and the most-unix philosophy are on Slack and FreeBSD.
Neither opera nor phoenix(firebird) supports x86 Solaris. Ive tried building it but I'm still in the process of downloading yet another library to build successfully. My Solaris machine is a Pentium 133 with 64mb ram, so mozilla is not an option in its entireity, I'd rather use the ancient netscape communicator that comes with Solaris.
It would be nice if they can spend some time with the code to make it build once for Solaris x86. There are plenty of us around ready to buy the first browser for x86 Solaris that is NOT big and slow.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
With every Opera release, there's a small test I run. Go to the HOF on Slashdot click on the most active story (currently >4000 comments). This is the first version that loads the page with decent speed. Under 6.x/7 betas, long Slashdot stories (>500 comments) would choke the browser and make it unresponsive.
7.11 has finally fixed this problem, and to their credit, the Iraq story loads EXTREMELY fast.
There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
:wq
This is bullsh*t. How the hell can linux ever gain some kind of presence besides servers if the packaging system is so screwed up that noone can create software and get it to install on a system?
I've created RPMs before, and it is a painful experience. I do not fault the opera people at all. I mean, they were able to port the browser to linux, but the whole effort has basically been wasted if it won't install.
I know of no other OS where installation of programs/files is this screwed up. Not to mention that designing for Linux (read: RedHat) is like shooting at a moving target. RH8.0 and RH9 are beta quality at best from mine and others experiences, yet their stable releases (7.X) are unlikely to even be targets of commercial developers since they are "old".
But thanks RH for making the login screen prettier. Now, can we get back to business and make a useable OS? Sheesh, I remember when these things were important instead of this stupid goal to get Linux "on the desktop". That will never become a reality until 3rd party software can be targeted for Linux.
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Come on MCSD...List 3 style attributes that the server objects generate that ONLY work with IE.
Again, the implication made is that ASP.NET was purposely developed to work only w/ IE, and that simply cannot be supported. ASP.NET is a server side technology unlike ActiveX, client VB Script, Flash, etc.
Does anyone know what "de gustibus non disputandum est" means? I'm guessing it's something like their boasts are not disputed, but I'd like to know what it really is.
Seriously, how is this insightful?
I guess, no opera for me...
The Sig, the sig
Yeah ... all the slashdotters will love you when you post a free 7.11 serial
You BOUGHT Ninnle Linux?
What fucking planet are you on?
Everybody knows that Ninnle Linux is freely available at www.linuxiso.org
Linus himself has endorsed the kernal!
That fork has taken on a life of its own since the initial release. It may not be officially recognized or supported, but it has an active community that keeps developing and supporting it, and a helpful group of support people who are glad to point out problems and suggest fixes. It also has a much more viral license, and so is spreading to other languages a lot faster than the official version.
Unfortunately, the maintainers have a publically-writable CVS repository, so any ignorant fool who wants to can fork his own, incompatible version, and usually does. The viral aspect ensures that it infects everyone, everywhere.
I generally follow -AMERICAN_ENGLISH_STABLE, but I run -RELEASE_ENG for more formal situations.
What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?
I haven't had a lot of time to fully thrash out the new version. I'd been running the earlier Linux field test version. Just got the brand new Version 7.11 for Linux this evening. I had to download the static version; the shared version was incompatible with the libraries on my Debian system.
First time I started up the browser, I found it to start very quickly and also render pages quickly, as good as anything I've seen, including Galeon and MozillaFirebird.
However, a few minutes after starting the browser, I entered the Ziff Davis Extreme Tech site, a site I've used with lots of different browsers, including previous versions of Opera.
After scrolling through a few forums and looking at the Extreme Tech UNIX and Linux discussions, my browser abruptly quit without asking.
I restarted the browser and it offered to continue where I left off, so that wasn't terrible, but there do appear to be a few rough edges somewhere in this latest release.
It could be that I have some old content or configuration that needs to be changed, but from my perspective, a browser should behave itself and handle unexpected conditions without disappearing.
So though this browser is very fast, it seems to still need a bit more work. I tend to stick with Netscape 7+; it has been working very well and very stable for me on my Linux systems.
Brian Masinick, masinick at yahoo dot com Linux
For those who haven't tried the beta...
This release is important for web developers because it supports
the full alpha channel transparency for PNG format images, both in
the foreground and the background. Gecko has had support for this
for some time, but Opera 6 was missing it.
KHTML (as of Konq 3.1.0) still needs this, and of course MSIE.
But when all the browsers you have to support have it, it makes
a lot of visual web layout design problems go away.
So, bravo to Opera for supporting the alpha channel.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
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