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Opera Releases Version 7 For Linux
Wee writes "I happened to notice this morning that Opera 7 for Linux has been released. New features include fastforward and rewind, the ability to take notes in conjuction with web pages, a cookie manager, a password manager, and a very serviceable integrated email client called M2 (which was previously only available for the Windows version). Version 7 of Opera also represents a complete code rewrite, from the rendering engine up, and the improvements are fairly significant. Mirrors for debs, rpms and tarballs are on Opera's download page."
This is the release, the other were "technology previews" (ie alpha versions) and betas.
Does this version still display the MSN homepage in Sweedish Chef?
All of that new functionality, and I still can only send the equivalent of postcards -- Opera's M2 Email client doesn't have any support for PGP or GPG at all.
:)
While their initial betas were pretty shaky, this "gold" build is very stable and looks terrific. Once they get the PGP/GPG thing sorted out, I'll have to evaluate it against Mozilla and see which I like more
"To make a mistake is only human; to persist in a mistake is idiotic." Cicero
Ah my fault, this is a release, not a beta/alpha. ;/
No, but its definitly worth paying for.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
True it may not be open source, But No one claimed that it was free software. Heck, the title for slashdot even says, News for nerd, Stuff that Matters. It dosent say, all free software.
Great. By releasing this newwer version of Opera, they are helping them get themselves more credit in the browser market. This will make it harder for designers to make the point that IE is the most used browser, so we will target only them, an idea of the past. Its hurting the Microsoft monopoly. I support this move all the way. It will make content more execessable to Linux users, but in the process will force people to make their information accessable to everyone without IE by weaning away from their IE only technologies (like VBScript, ActiveX controls, ASP.NET objects designed just for IE, and a number of other MS only techs). I don't personally like Opera but I use Mozilla (mostly the Firebird/Phonix version).
No.
Obviously, that's not what I want.
Is the RELEASE better in this respect?
Rainer
Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
Fat lady in viking hat not included.
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Upon further checking I saw that that story talks about the Windows release and Linux beta. My bad. ;)
To fix this, you have to "rpm -Uvh openmotif21-2.1.30-6.i386.rpm" from one of your Red Hat install CDs (yep, the older openmotif21 RPM is not installed by default on Red Hat 8.0). Sadly, this crucial dependency problem is not mentioned on either the download page or the FAQ, but is buried in their knowledge base here. Hope this helps folks struggling out there...
I used to use Opera a lot. Primarily due to the fact that I could have it open up with all my web pages at once. Now that I can do this with Mozilla, I no longer use Opera. The only thing I still miss are the mouse gestures.
Warning! The slice of pizza I had for lunch wasn't free either.
Some things are just worth paying for.
From what I've read, people have had 50/50 success with getting flash working correctly. Sort of the same thing that's been haunting Firebird/Phoenix.
So my question is, have you gotten Flash to run correctly under the new Opera, and more importantly, why are there so many problems with these fringe browsers and Flash?
Loomis
"The television is the retina of the mind's eye" - Videodrome
The days of journalistic integrity are gone. How does the NYTimes manage to maintain their position at the top of the newspaper food chain? Well, they make up stories, but thats an exception (well, they and Fox). How does Slashdot afford all those fancy newfangled features, like "graphics" and "icons"? Simple. By allowing their opinions to be bought by Opera.
It gets a lot of play because it's a cool piece of software and a lot of people use it. Their licensing model is about the very opposite of Microsoft's: use it for free and look at a small ad (that your eye will not notice after a week), or pay a bit and don't see the ad. I somehow can't see Microsoft adopting this.
No, it's not free. So what? This is a geek news site that discusses things of interest to the community, not a Free Software site. You don't complain when articles about Unreal Tournament and Neverwinter Nights get posted, do you?
As a user of Opera since v.3.something, I'm nothing but impressed by how it's improved. It's a lot better at getting to most sites, especially if you tell it to pretend to be IE in the agent string. I don't do online banking, so I can't say how well it works everywhere. I sometimes have to use IE on a page it doesn't like, but it's damn rare.
What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?
# ln -s ../../X11R6/lib/libXm.so.3 /usr/local/lib/libXm.so.2
# ldconfig
# rpm --nodeps -ivh opera-7.11-20030515.4-shared-qt.i386.rpm
Works perfectly, as far as I can tell.
How am I supposed to fit a pithy, relevant quote into 120 characters?
Have you tried Optimoz Mouse Gestures?
Google doesn't index user sigs, so stop trying to "Google Bomb" with them.
Every new Opera version is a complete rewrite. That says something right there.
Check out the Mozilla Mouse Gestures project. I don't use Opera, so I'm not sure if it reproduces all Opera gestures, but knowing Mozilla, there will be a very awkward but powerful way to customize it the way you like... - Eric
It's good software. Being closed or open doesn't matter to many people as long as the software is good. Quite a lot of Mac software (including the OS itself) isn't open, yet you'll see plenty of it here for that same reason. Opera is incredibly fast, very stable and secure. It's not IE, and so represents choice. It's cross platform. It's highly configurable. Lots of people use it, especially those not quite "in the mainstream" (geeks; Slashdot's target audience). Pick one reason I guess.
As far as needing another browser for MS-centric stuff, well I suspect you'd have the same problem if you used Moz, Konqueror, Netscape 4, or anything that isn't IE with MS Money and such (in fact, you'd probably have issues even with older versions of IE). I've seen some issues with sites and online apps that cater exclusively to IE. And since IE isn't available for Linux I have no choice but to find alternatives. Ecommerce hasn't been a problem, however. I've shopped online at about every major ecommerce site you could probably think of without any issues I can recall.
Is this one of those nested advertisements?
No. They may exist, but this isn't one of them. At least nobody paid me to submit it. I literally happened to go to opera.com this morning to insatll the beta of version 7 on a new machine and saw the press release about 7 going gold. Figuring that other people on Slashdot might like to know about it (see above), I submitted it. I also recalled seeing the 7 beta get a mention a few months ago (which is what caused me to go an grab the beta, actually) and I figured folks here would like to know about the final release version too.
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
...when you don't care about being correct. I grabbed a copy of 7.11 to see what's what. It's still blazingly fast, but can't render DOM/JS heavy content that both Mozilla and MSIE can.
It looks like they have indeed given up on working on the Mac version.
? pl atform=mac
http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/index.dml
I don't think a lot of Mac users will miss it, however. With Safari doing the things that people would have bought Opera for, its a tough sell. Of course, Opera could have made it better for themselves by making a browser that wasn't dog slow on the Mac.
Note the RedHat 7 RPMs will not install either, it has the wrong path for the qt3 libraries.
DZM
Opera Software ASA
Waldemar Thranes gate 98
NO-0175 OSLO
NORWAY
Haven't you hung around these type of people before? The more obscure a product and the less people use it, the cooler you are. Example:
.. 1998. Besides everyone knows the GPL is evil. Personally I'm using Mac OS X on my iBook. I bet you don't even know how to unload a kernel extension. Hell, my *wife* uses Linux.
circa 1998:
Bob: I use Windows.
Bart: *nose in the air* Hmm. I hope you enjoy your indentured servitude, Gatesophile. I bet you can't even compile a kernel. Hell, my *mom* uses Windows.
circa 2002:
Bob: Linux really is great, I think I'm giving up Windows for sure.
Bart: *nose in the air* Hmm. Linux is all right, but monolithic kernels are so
circa 2005:
Bob: Wow, you're right Mac OS X Bobcat 10.5 is awesome, I love how my PowerBook's desktop automatically transfers to my iPad whenever I unroll it.
Bart: *nose in the air* Mac OS X? Please, it hit its peak at 5% market penetration. Now it's just another piece of closed source software. Personally, I use GNU/HURD. Hell, my *son* uses Mac OS X.
Bob: I bet you use Opera don't you?
Bart: I certainly do. Version 10.0 finally supports CSS style sheets. I bet you don't even know what that is, trendmonkey.
I've been using, and paying for it, on Windows since version 4.x. I've been using it on Linux since the day the first technology preview came out. I think I've had a good amount of time to see it evolve, along with all the other browsers. For me, Opera has always been on the cutting edge.
Opera had tabbed windows five years ago. Opera (I think) invented mouse gestures. Opera was the first with a cookie manager and had settings for privacy issues before it was an issue.
Opera has had a popup blocker for longer than anyone.
If all these features sound familiar, because Mozilla/whatever has them, it's because those 'other' browsers are just now catching up.
There is a new feature in this version of Opera called 'FastForward/Rewind' that, astonishingly, works really well. I would expect Mozilla to pick this up in about a year.
If you don't like the look and feel out of the box, you can change just about anything regarding Opera. I like having my location bar on the bottom, so that's where I put it. I have my tabs down there, too. I can put my button bar at the bottom, but I prefer it on top. I don't like skins, so I turn them off. It's a browser how I want it.
Back in the day, Opera sold itself on size alone. When Internet Explorer and Netscape clocked in at 10 megs plus, Opera for Windows fit on a floppy (sans Java, of course.) It's not currently small enough to do that, but it is still much smaller than any other browser, and takes less resources. It is not a memory or drive space hog. It is small, fast and sleek.
For this alone, it's worth paying for. Mozilla/Netscape are still whores to M$ as far as I'm concerned, and even Phoenix/whatever is getting too big and klunky.
Innovation in the browser market costs money, and I'm more than happy to put a few bucks into Opera. The tradeoff on price is that I don't have to have my browser core dump a few times every day, and I don't have to beta test software for them. This software is consumer grade, not nerd grade, if you catch my drift. I love it, and you should love it to.
Maybe it's because I've been running it so long, but I've never had any real problem running plugins, especially Flash. When you rpm your opera, it tells you the Motif version you are missing. A slashdot user of average intelligence can search opera.com for download links to motif. Or follow the link posted previously. Plugger and all it's various codecs work flawlessly, as well as the Acrobat Reader plugin and RealPlayer. Perhaps the only thing I have trouble with is Microsoft specific languages (.asp) but if you're frequenting places that are dumb enough to expect everyone to have a M$ OS, maybe http://www.ilovewindows.com is a better web site for you to frequent.
-mattyj
I guess it is a sign of the times, when the latest Opera versions for Linux are released much sooner then the same release for OS X.
Real men don't need signitures!!!
Yeah, Opera's also A LOT better than Mozilla. (Less buggy, more advanced e-mail filtering, less crash prone, you cango back and forward by just using the "z" & "x" keys instead of giving yourself carpal tunnel from using a mouse etc etc.
Finally Opera is free if you don't mind a banner ad.
Some people think television is "free" even though they pay double for things at the supermarket that have been advertised on TV!
Opera has a lot going for it.
In the past, Opera made a name for itself by being a smaller, faster browser. That's still true, but now it also has a superior feature set that elevates it above all browsers.
Som of the better features include:
Sessions - allow you to open up many different pages at once, either at startup or at any time;
Mouse gestures - semi-intuitive mouse click and movement patterns that allow you to go back (hold down right mouse button, click the left one), go forward (hold down left mouse button, click the right one), etc, that greatly speed up the browsing experience;
Notes - just what the name suggests; this lets you save and enter snippets of text to and from a browser window;
M2 mail client - integrated mail client with spam filtering and POP3, IMAP, and ESMTP support;
Wand - a fantastic password manager that saves lots of time when logging into sites;
Transfers - a decent download manager; and
Fast Forward and Rewind - lets you navigae forward automatically using the most obvious link (which can great but can also be a bit hit and miss sometimes).
That's not an exhaustive list, it's just some of the features that I've found in Opera that make me love it. Yes, some of these features can be found in Mozilla but, equally, some of them can't.
And while Opera might not be free, it's not exactly a rip-off either. True, there is an ad-supported version that won't cost you anything (and that doesn't impact on your surfing speed - check out the Opera website to find out why) but when a product's this good and "just works", why not support the developers by buying it?
If you haven't already tried Opera then do it right away. Give it a month or two and you'll never want to go back to MSIE, Netscape, Mozilla or whatever else you've been using.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
I uploaded 7.11 this morning, actually... and the differences are AMAZING! The rendering is VASTLY improved! Not giving up Mozilla completely, yet, but I'll be browsing with Opera for the next week to give it a fair shake.
-ZOD-
Rather than just some assertions?
Opera simply works in the vast majority of cases for me.
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
[checks to see if Satan is skating]
Please help metamoderate.
I just tried Opera for the first time. After 10 minutes of playing around with it, I'm ready to switch. It's free-as-in-beer, if your willing to look at a half banner ad in the upper right corner. Totally free software is great, but I don't mind closed source if you get what you pay for and the vendor doesn't try to lock you in or obstruct competition.
Such a user would just use the pre-installed copies of Mozilla or Konqueror much like the similar lemming-type winDOS user.
OTOH, one could just download the "static zipfile" and not have to worry about such issues.
Your blatherings would be more appropriately directed towards the Win32 versions of Opera or Mozilla.
Comparing 3rd party packages to bundleware based on "ease of installation" is just plain LAME.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Or you can use Mozilla and take out the word "about".
I tried this also on my RH9 system and yes, it forced the install but I still have problems. Only root can run Opera and I get a message complaining of a segmentation fault and it does not find my java installation which I have.
It seems very very fast but I also seem to have some font problems. The menu bar fonts are very small and the rest of the page seems a size or two large.
I really want to use Opera but these install problems are simply not acceptable. I had to pay up another $15 to upgrade from 6 to 7 and this shouldn't be happening.
Its speed maybe? Well, a different environment does take a while to get used to, but Opera displays most sites exactly like IE does, so there isn't a need to complain, after all, Slashdot still comes up in english whether you see it in Opera, Mozilla or IE.
What time is it/will be over there? Check with my iPhone app!
I've only got the Windows version to go on at the moment but Opera 7 can window every which way you like. Tabs, subwindows or top level windows in whatever mixture you choose.
In this respect Opera have done a great job in sidestepping any doctrinal war and just letting each user work however suits them best.
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
Not trying to be a troll here.. I really liked Opera 6.x, but I always found the fonts difficult to read, so I ended up using Mozilla more frequently. Have there been many (any?) improvements with 7.11 that don't require a lot of adjustments to the default settings?
It means that 36 keys or so on my keyboard that could be used for a variety of navigation/other functions are instead reserved for one single function. To me this seems an incredibly inefficient way of using the keyboard.
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
Cookie manager, password manager, skinning, fine, fine.
This is the part I actually care about:
The standards support in Opera 7 has been improved with added support for DOM level 2 and CSS2; improved ECMAScript and HTML 4.01 support; and complete WML 1.3 and 2.0 support. Opera 7 also handles non-standard pages using DHTML, giving Opera's millions of old and new users a hassle-free Internet experience.
That is what's important to me. What I ultimately want to hear is that Opera can render everything Internet Explorer 6.0 can, if not more. Most websites are designed with IE in mind--like it or not, the dominant browser drives website innovation, not the W3C. It's not right, but that's how it is.
The only way I would ever switch to Opera would be if I knew I was going to have the same, or better, viewing functionalty as IE. It looks as if they're finally making progress in this respect.
The coolest voice ever.
Ironically enough, my Opera crashed on me when I viewed this... Looks like there's still some work to do ;)
In 6.11 for Linux, you can go to File -> Preferences and in the first listing on the left (General), the very first option is to "Open windows inside the Opera workspace" -- if I understood your post correctly, unchecking that should provide the result you're looking for.
Linux is all right, but monolithic kernels are so .. 1998. Besides everyone knows the GPL is evil. Personally I'm using Mac OS X on my iBook.
Mac OS X uses the Mach 2.5 kernel, which is not truly a microkernel. It's more monolithic kernel than you think. Mach 3.0 reached true microkernel status. It also performed slightly worse than Mach 2.5 because of all the context-switching penalties.
I will not be upgrading to 7.0 any time soon.
Not just because i'd have to upgrade my registration key to get rid of the ads, but because the entire ui just feels dumb. They threw the baby out with the bathwater.
I don't like the new UI. If they release a skin that makes it look and behave like opera 6 (or, better yet, 5), maybe I might consider it then, but they also dumbed down the configuration interface.
Great to hear that it's a complete rewrite. I guess now they'll never fix the ECMA bugs in 6.12.
This is just like television, only you can see much further.
This is something I have been waiting for forever. I mean I dont mind the plain opt for scroll, but the opt-mod in transparency is JUST KICK ASS when attached to the left scroll device feature. Man it used to be gustures, but I can really see this taking aff as more users find ways to use it!
Hell yes! It's just like with indie bands and fanzines. Speaking of Apple, they've made Snobbish Hipsterism into an industry! For example: remember when the iPod first came out? It was all the "hip" geeks who got 'em first.
(well, they and Fox)
Is this just a swipe at a news channel simply because they actually include a conservative point of view, or do you have something to back this up?
"Warning! Opera isn't free software."
Warning! It's ad-supported so you don't need to pay cash for it!
(note: It's the good kind of ad-supported, i.e. no pop-ups/unders or anything like that. Just a reserved part of Opera's real-estate.)
"Derp de derp."
I use Opera 7.11 on Windoze and I can't make heads or tails of your post. What is opt-mod and what is left-scrolling?:)
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
I'm tolerant of people overestimating the Law of Accelerating Returns to say that we'll be in flying cars and talking to our quantum computers real soon now, but HURD working in 2005?!?
I found that an advantage of Opera gestures is that you use them by clicking the right mouse button. In Mozilla you have to use the left mouse button if you want to get anything usable out of the gestures which is still a bit awkward. Configuring them for the right button combines the gestures with the context menu which just doesn't work. Also Opera captures the gestures much better than Mozilla that doesn't figure out the gesture pretty often.
Unless disabling "Find as you type" enables the sort of rich keyboard interface that Opera provides that doesn't really get me anywhere though...
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
I made jokes about FOX long before it was fashionable to do so. As for the other three: 1) I own a Segway myself you insensetive clod; 2) MS's software is insecure? 3) Sports fans aren't brainless; they're just very small (their brains, that is). Happy?
Or the Linux version that you install by running "install.sh".
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
KrisplyKringle wrote: Well, they make up stories, but thats an exception (well, they and Fox).
And then newwave wrote: Is this just a swipe at a news channel simply because they actually include a conservative point of view, or do you have something to back this up?
And then I wrote: Fox doesn't make up stories, they just spread rumours that most other news sources would ignore. Oh wait a minute, Fox news does make up stories, but only when they support a conservative point of view. The rest of the time they are busy just manipulating the public. But of course, in the US, that is perfectly legal!.
I'm a writer, a poet, a genius, I know it. I don't buy software, I grow it.
Conservative point of view as in "Let's get a guy famous for lying to save the president's ass [Ollie North] and have him cover the Iraq war"? That's not a conservative point of view, that's just moronic. Well actually, I guess it worked out pretty well for them, but it completely removes any semblence of impartial journalism from their reporting.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
Not just that; I still haven't been able to make it run with my university's IMAP server. Which is a pity though; was playing around with it with another POP mailbox I have, and the M2 stuff looks terrific.
[Note that I'm not saying that it's unworkable with any IMAP server; just that I haven't been able to get it working. Time to buy a student licence and mail the developers, you'd think. ;-) ]
More than mere navel gazing.
Oh, and just to poke a bit more fun at Fox, do you remember the time they hired a retired lieutenant-colonel as a military specialist and then found out he had only spent 44 days as a private!
I'm a writer, a poet, a genius, I know it. I don't buy software, I grow it.
I don't understand where this is coming from. All I have for apt sources are debian mirrors and I have kde 3.1 available. Not that I would ever use it...
or, get apt-rpm from, say http://apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org, and then from the command line
sudo apt-get install openmotif21
and it will be magically installed.
I somehow can't see Microsoft adopting this.
You can't? They already have. If you are a Mac or Windows user, you can download MSN Messenger and MSN Explorer and get free usage with advertisements.
real soon now = a couple days ago.
Jeremy
It seems to work here. Oh, and it seems to work here too.
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
Try this:
.js. install flash. and restore your .js. Supposedly newer builds don't have this problem. Heh, what a build to pick of the .6 release.
flash installer ruins all.js
Essentially copy your
As a software geek I have one question about Opera 7: Did they improve the W3C DOM support which has been lacking in prior versions? I am mostly a back end Java programmer, but occasionally I am asked to write web pages and Opera compatibility is often a problem with DHTML because they support a relatively small subset of W3C DOM and lie about browser versions in the HTTP headers.
Oh, wait, I did.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Every win2k machine I have ever installed it on I have to turn of JAVA support or the broweser crashed constantly.. kinda sad actually.
Oh well..
"Consider how lucky you are that life has been good to you so far. Alternatively, if life hasn't been good to you so far
And how many sites actually use the ?
Opera uses both the link-tag, or if it is missing, links that have the text "next" in them (or in the case of image-links, the alt text). IIRC it uses multiple languages to find "next" links.
Oh yeah, and if a page has a bunch of links to images, fast-forward lets you view them as a slideshow.
From the same link:
Fox News would not be the first news organization to be deceived. The New York Times in March reported the account of a former Russian army officer who said he fled the fighting in Chechnya in 1999 to escape pressure to kill civilians. On Saturday, The Times quoted Russian officials and acquaintances as saying he was not serving in the army at the time.
Note that the New York Times is one of the most liberal of major newspapers in the country. It happens to all news organizations. Nice trolling!
Yeah, Opera's also A LOT better than Mozilla. (Less buggy, more advanced e-mail filtering, less crash prone, you cango back and forward by just using the "z" & "x" keys instead of giving yourself carpal tunnel from using a mouse etc etc.
FYI, Netscape, Mozilla, and IE support going backwards and fowards by using Alt+Left Arrow to go backwards and Alt+Right Arrow to go forwards. Works wonderfully, and doesn't require a mouse.
My question is why a closed, not free product gets a plug every time they put out a new release?
Because it's an alternative to a Microsoft product. Have you noticed Apple getting a lot of play? They're not free either.
Opera also support yet another innovative feature. If the feature is enabled, it analyzes web pages to present a navigation bar where possible. For example, when I browse this Slashdot topic, I have a small navigation bar with these links:
Home (goes to news page)
Search (goes to search page)
Previous (goes to previous topic)
Next (goes to next topic)
Author (goest to all Slashdot stories written by Timothy; i.e. the author of this topic)
Pretty cool, and the user can furhter customize the bar if necessary to have more buttons.
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Opera's an interesting browser, but under Linux it's slower to run and takes longer to start up than Firebird. In addition, I'm not entirely sure how to get anti-aliased fonts working on it, which is somewhat of a must. So for me, it doesn't meet Mozilla's standards. Does it start up any faster on Windows?
Note that the New York Times is one of the most liberal of major newspapers in the country.
Umm, what? Hahahahaha! That's the best thing I've read all night. Are you drunk, or just retarded? How often do you read the Times, anyway?
"If he thinks he can hide and run from the United States and our allies, he's sorely mistaken." Bush on bin Laden
Time to buy a student licence and mail the developers, you'd think. ;-)
You don't need to buy a license to report a bug. And you could also try news.opera.no and get some help there.
There's a bug in how Opera handles encrypted SMTP also - but we've posted a description of the error in their forum and it'll "hopefully" be fixed in 7.20 ..
(For the interested: Opera does not send a second EHLO after STARTTLS, thus quits since it didn't find an AUTH the first time around)
it's in my head
circa 2005:
Bob: I bet you use Opera don't you?
Bart: I certainly do. Version 10.0 finally supports CSS style sheets. I bet you don't even know what that is, trendmonkey.
You don't have to wait that long. Opera supports CSS today.
Not very surprising, considering that the CTO at Opera was the guy that proposed CSS in the first place.
How does this have anything to do with this?
You can get Opera for free much in the same way you could perhaps get some free pizza (beer is a more commonly used example). Sure, there are some ads, but who cares?
The original poster almost certainly wasn't referring to that kind of freedom.
He wants the Pizza recipe. He wants to be able to give it to his friends too.
Free software is really worth paying much more than proprietary.
This is possible because Opera has two great features: 1. On Windows at least (I have no idea about the Linux version), it installs cleanly to a directory. There are no hard coded registry keys or such. Everything is under the installation directory. 2. It has a great crash recovery feature. If a PC (or just Opera) crash for whatever reason, I just relaunch it and it will get me back to exactly where I was before the crash, and all the pages loaded from cache. If you want to do the same, here is the trick: 1. Install Opera to a directory in your USB flash card, ie, K:\Opera 2. Configure all that you want. 3. That is it. Now, the only thing that is hard coded in the installation is the drive letter (K in the example above), so when you go to the other machine, just issue the DOS command "SUBST G: K:\". This will give you a new drive named K: pointing to the actual USB drive, which is G: in the example. Have fun.
Okay. My mistake, I guess. Before version 6 of opera, the tabs you see now were shaped like buttons.
My point is that Opera supported both 'a zillion windows on your desktop' AND 'a zillion windows inside one interface', both of them, since before you were old enough to push a mouse. Tabs, buttons, it's worked the same forever. Sue me for misstating the shape of the freakin' buttons.
-mattyj
This is possible because Opera has two great features:
1. On Windows at least (I have no idea about the Linux version), it installs cleanly to a directory. There are no hard coded registry keys or such. Everything is under the installation directory.
2. It has a great crash recovery feature. If a PC (or just Opera) crashes for whatever reason, I just relaunch it and it will get me back to exactly where I was before the crash, and all the pages will load from the up-to-the-minute cache.
If you want to do the same, here is the trick:
1. Install Opera to a directory in your USB memory stick, ie, K:\Opera
2. Configure all that you want.
3. That is it. Now, the only thing that is hard coded in the installation is the drive letter (K in the example above), so when you go to the other machine, just issue the DOS command "SUBST G: K:\".
This will give you a new drive named K: pointing to the actual USB drive, which is G: in the example.
Now I have my favorite browser, my links, and the web papges I was reading last all in my key ring. Can't say I can do this with any other browser.
Have fun.
""We are continuing to work on the Mac version," said Tetzchner in an interview."
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Everyone knows that Opera is not spyware. Anyone can verify that as well, if they can be bothered to check the facts before throwing accusations around. They are not trying to hide the ad data at all, so a packet sniffer will show you what is going on.
Keep on trolling dude.
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Opera 6/Linux had always been substandard, IMO. The interface was clunky and unneccessarily big, the font management was bad, and it was very unsynchronised with the Windows version.
But Opera 7.11 final (not betas) is indescribably excellent. It is now almost a mirror of the Windows version, skinning support is excellent, fonts are beautiful out of the box, and everything is now suddenly very, very, very polished.
This alt-left/right almost requires the usage of both hands which is not very comfortable. I like to surf with one hand on the mouse, and one on the keyboard. In opera - almost everything has a single-key shortcut, which makes this perfectly possible. :)
There are also always the mouse guestures, which now almost every alternative browser has tried to immitate - but none of these implementations can match the comfort of them in Opera - in my opinion that is
"Warning! The slice of pizza I had for lunch wasn't free either."
... I'm sure you'll find the recepie if you search for it... try google.
Weird... a non-free pizza?!
I'm tired of all the "doh! yes you have to pay for some things in life"-replies to any "it's not free software"-posting.. There is nothing preventing you from paying for free software (free as in speach, remember?).... though paying to give away my freedom is not an option for me.
(Yes, Opera is a good browser... but there are equally good free software... I'll stick with the one who gives me the freedom.)
~andreas
post more opera stories!!!
It only downloads ads weekly.
I'm using opera for windows and it's adware. If they ever require payment, bye-bye opera, it was nice seeing you.
It's not like this is tha ultimate mega program it's worth paying for. Heck, if I give $10 for opera, then I should also donate $100 to gcc and $100 to KDE and $50 to GNOME, etc.
Mozilla has had a link toolbar since 2001. And Firebird users can get one here.
It's one thing to be duped by someone from a country half-way around the world, where they use a different language and a different alphabet, and aren't known for their openess.
It's a completely different thing when the person comes from your own coutry, where even the most basic of background checks would have shown that the guy had spent only a fraction (11/91) of a year in the military, and had never been an officer.
And in the case of the Russian officer, at least he really was a Russian officer, but had not actually served in Chechnya. I don't think it's fair to show those two mistakes in the same light.
I'm a writer, a poet, a genius, I know it. I don't buy software, I grow it.
NO who wants jpeg2000 it provides no real advantages for anything.
There is no god
So, you get what you pay for. (Well, actually I don't pay for Opera because I hae advert blindness so don't see the banner...)
As a user of Opera since v.3.something, I'm nothing but impressed by how it's improved.
I installed Opera 6 briefly, and wasn't that impressed. After using 7.0 for a few days, I ditched Mozilla. I filed a couple of (minor) bug reports and they were both fixed in point releases. I just wish they'd release 7.x for FreeBSD (currently they only release 6.x).
I don't do online banking, so I can't say how well it works everywhere.
It works fine on the Barclaycard, egg and Barclays online banking sites. The only site that's ever caused me problems with Opera is MSDN, which works fine as long as you tell it to identify as IE...
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Version 10.0 finally supports CSS style sheets. (emphasis mine)
Ah, so CSS is a recursive acronym like GNU? CSS means CSS Style Sheets?
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No, you're not alone. I was in the same boat. I'm all for Opera succeeding; I hope it's a killer browser. But 6 was such a bad experience for me,and Moz works so well, that I don't really have any incentive to give 7 a try.
P.S. Actually I like Konqueror the best of anything I've tried but it's awfully slow on my machines.
Mouse gestures are evil. After using Opera for a while, you start waving the mouse at other applications and wondering why nothing is happening. Then you feel silly, and often look silly as well if someone else happens to see you.
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As well as the ability to show structural elements (great for understanding how your HTML is being displayed), show a certain page in a high contrast theme (great for pages with a black background and dark blue text) and look like a C-64 (great for, umm, something?)
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That's fine. I'd rather have a simple to use, powerful, fast browser that renders all of the sites I visit correctly, even if I do have to pay a little for it. But then I value my time...
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about this sort of thing?
The opera-linux mailing list is amazing. (http://list.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/opera-linu x)
There's a couple of developers who are actively on the list. Report a (linux specific) bug, the developer checks it out, and fixes it, usually with only a one day turn around.
Mozilla developers on the other hand, (and most big open source projects, now that I think about it) aren't responsive at all.
File a bug report. They might get around to looking at it. Or not. The problem with scratching itches is that the festering gangrenous wound is ignored while the itch between the shoulder blades has been rubbed until raw. (mozilla/firebird is *still* a bloated dog (and becoming more so), but there's a *TON* of widgets that start the coffee pot based on a mouse gesture).
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Whenever I have submitted bug reports to the people at Opera they have always seemed very interested, although not necessarily being able to fix a problem there and then.
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okay, given that Opera doesn't have unlimited developers and resources, you can assume that their first priority would be to go after the Windows users, who make up what, 90% of the Internet? I feel your pain of course - not having a current Linux version for so long was a pain, but don't hold it against them.
i really don't understand why people take software so personally
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Because Mozilla runs like shit on old hardware. Opera runs great on this old P233 that I have. Sure you might say, "well that's an old piece of shit machine." I say, "Just because it's old shouldn't render it unusable." Opera runs freaking fantastic on it. Mozilla wishes it can run that fast on old hardware.
I understand what you're saying. Windows is their priority, but that doesn't help the fact that the Linux version was extremely sub-par in comparison.
Don't get me wrong. I like Opera. But I feel it's fair to hold it against them, because incomplete and buggy commercial software is not desired by most people.
I don't take the software personally. I just don't like being sold an incomplete program, only to get a "Woops. It's time to upgrade. You only purchased your 6.x license a few months ago, but we're going to stop working on 6.x. Will that be cash, check, or charge?"
So just what am I not supposed to hold against them? Is it wrong to be vocal about how Linux users were cheated out of a complete and reasonably stable program? I guess so, seeing as how I was modded as a "troll" in the previous post, merely for sharing my experiences.
Yeah, I'm wishing they release the new Opera for FreeBSD as well. I'm using the 6.12 version without much problems.
Well no problems untill I close opera which gives me problems and then dumps core. Funny though, it doesn't do it when I'm running twm as the window manager. Anything else though, it dies.
jpeg2000 does have advantages. It provides higher quality compression and smaller file sizes. Now for the web, it's usefullness is debatable. But for things like digital camera's it has many advantages.
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Wavelets are your friend, and the DCT is your enemy
Jack Valenti and Orrin Hatch will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
Neither opera nor phoenix(firebird) supports x86 Solaris. Ive tried building it but I'm still in the process of downloading yet another library to build successfully. My Solaris machine is a Pentium 133 with 64mb ram, so mozilla is not an option in its entireity, I'd rather use the ancient netscape communicator that comes with Solaris.
It would be nice if they can spend some time with the code to make it build once for Solaris x86. There are plenty of us around ready to buy the first browser for x86 Solaris that is NOT big and slow.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
Opera (I think) invented mouse gestures. - as an idea, mouse gestures have been around for at least 10 years, I went to the University of Toronto 1996-2000 and in my second year I took CSC318 - human computer interactions. We covered various types of interfaces including 'desktop metaphors' and mouse gestures were among them. Among the most innovative types of interfaces were circular menus that in fact work on mouse gesture principles. You click your mouse, a circular menu pops up. Instead of moving within a linear menu (people are not good at measuring relative lengths) you gest with the mouse without even clicking towards one of the 8 choices that are found on the circumference of the menue. Once you made a gesture towards your choice, another circular menu would pop-up and your cursor would be in the center of it, so you can do another gesture at some point arriving at your destination choice. Now, in the research they actually built a menu system like that and the test subjects learned to use it so quickly that the menu would not even pop up, (the graphical menu representation would not have time to render itself) when the human would do another gesture right away. So it would look like someone just moves the mouse erratically but an action would take place. I think they found that for most optimal use, depth of the menues should not exceed 4 levels.
You can't handle the truth.
With every Opera release, there's a small test I run. Go to the HOF on Slashdot click on the most active story (currently >4000 comments). This is the first version that loads the page with decent speed. Under 6.x/7 betas, long Slashdot stories (>500 comments) would choke the browser and make it unresponsive.
7.11 has finally fixed this problem, and to their credit, the Iraq story loads EXTREMELY fast.
There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
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1Mbit/s is quite fast enough for me thanks.
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This is bullsh*t. How the hell can linux ever gain some kind of presence besides servers if the packaging system is so screwed up that noone can create software and get it to install on a system?
I've created RPMs before, and it is a painful experience. I do not fault the opera people at all. I mean, they were able to port the browser to linux, but the whole effort has basically been wasted if it won't install.
I know of no other OS where installation of programs/files is this screwed up. Not to mention that designing for Linux (read: RedHat) is like shooting at a moving target. RH8.0 and RH9 are beta quality at best from mine and others experiences, yet their stable releases (7.X) are unlikely to even be targets of commercial developers since they are "old".
But thanks RH for making the login screen prettier. Now, can we get back to business and make a useable OS? Sheesh, I remember when these things were important instead of this stupid goal to get Linux "on the desktop". That will never become a reality until 3rd party software can be targeted for Linux.
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since MDI is crippled in itself (most HCI ppl seems to agree on that), a crippled MDI is nothing but good! :-)
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You're the retard. It's generally well-known that the New York Times is a liberal newspaper. Conservatives are frequently complaining about it (Fox News, Ann Coulter's new book, ... I could go on and on ... do a search on Google to see plenty of rantings). In fact, the NYT editoral pages rival those of San Francisco's major paper (Daily Chronicle?).
Maybe they're not liberal enough for you, but they are definitely pretty far left of center. I don't know where you're from, but try spending some time in middle America, and you'll see just how liberal the coasts are.
Oh come on, that's just anecdotal evidence in both cases. News outlets are duped constantly, all the time, everyday of the week. Sometimes they're duped on little things, sometimes they're duped big time. It happens to liberal outlets, conservative outlets, and middle outlets. All that can be concluded from any of this is that journalists need to start doing their research better and confirming things they hear. But that won't happen anytime soon since there is always a rush to be number one.
Come on MCSD...List 3 style attributes that the server objects generate that ONLY work with IE.
Again, the implication made is that ASP.NET was purposely developed to work only w/ IE, and that simply cannot be supported. ASP.NET is a server side technology unlike ActiveX, client VB Script, Flash, etc.
This is the first non-beta release of Opera 7 for Linux.
Does anyone know what "de gustibus non disputandum est" means? I'm guessing it's something like their boasts are not disputed, but I'd like to know what it really is.
>>My question is why a closed, not free product gets a plug every time they put out a new release?
My question is why every time there's a new MacOS version people hail it as the evolution of Unix and such while other closed, not free software gets shunned.
I guess, no opera for me...
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It's good software. Being closed or open doesn't matter to many people as long as the software is good.
This is not true at all. Opera is one of the most popular software packages on the bugtraq mailing list. It "features" a wide variety of javascript and buffer overflow exploits. That is not good software.
I work for a huge digital camera specialst company, heres the thing there are two types of photographer.
One wants perfect images and he uses jpeg no compression, TIFF or RAW. The other takes picture of the kids and prints them out for grandma. (2-3MPix) -- doesn't care about better compression his pictures are crap anyway.
There is no god
But if jpeg2000 offers better quality at an equal or lesser size, the companies will put it into their cameras to replace jpeg.
I also doen't remeber for certain, but I thought jpeg2000 also had a lossless mode that beat both TIFF and lossless jpeg?
Jack Valenti and Orrin Hatch will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
I'm not sure what to make of that rambling.
Ann Coulter has factual errors in her book and that has to do with what exactly? Lots of authors have factual errors. The point is she's a well-known conservative, and in her opinion, the NYT is liberal. That's all that matters. But she is just one of many.
I read the Times on average once every two weeks, and found it to be liberal. And I have read a few chapters from Coulter's book, and I found them interesting and agreed with most of her opinions.
Once again, try reading the some editorial pages from a newspaper in rural Kansas sometime. That is conservative. There's this game liberals play where they try to convince others that they're in the middle, not on the left. And it works relatively well on the coasts, were much of population is liberal. These people mistakenly believe they're in the middle (well they are, relative to the others around them), when in fact they're not (relative to the entire country).
Try right clicking the tabs...
BTW, couldn't the Windows taskbar be considered a tabbed interface (that looks like buttons)?
That fork has taken on a life of its own since the initial release. It may not be officially recognized or supported, but it has an active community that keeps developing and supporting it, and a helpful group of support people who are glad to point out problems and suggest fixes. It also has a much more viral license, and so is spreading to other languages a lot faster than the official version.
Unfortunately, the maintainers have a publically-writable CVS repository, so any ignorant fool who wants to can fork his own, incompatible version, and usually does. The viral aspect ensures that it infects everyone, everywhere.
I generally follow -AMERICAN_ENGLISH_STABLE, but I run -RELEASE_ENG for more formal situations.
What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?
I haven't had a lot of time to fully thrash out the new version. I'd been running the earlier Linux field test version. Just got the brand new Version 7.11 for Linux this evening. I had to download the static version; the shared version was incompatible with the libraries on my Debian system.
First time I started up the browser, I found it to start very quickly and also render pages quickly, as good as anything I've seen, including Galeon and MozillaFirebird.
However, a few minutes after starting the browser, I entered the Ziff Davis Extreme Tech site, a site I've used with lots of different browsers, including previous versions of Opera.
After scrolling through a few forums and looking at the Extreme Tech UNIX and Linux discussions, my browser abruptly quit without asking.
I restarted the browser and it offered to continue where I left off, so that wasn't terrible, but there do appear to be a few rough edges somewhere in this latest release.
It could be that I have some old content or configuration that needs to be changed, but from my perspective, a browser should behave itself and handle unexpected conditions without disappearing.
So though this browser is very fast, it seems to still need a bit more work. I tend to stick with Netscape 7+; it has been working very well and very stable for me on my Linux systems.
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I'm really excited about MozillaFirebird, too. To me it has many of the features found in Mozilla, Netscape, and Galeon, but with a much lighter footprint. What's nice beyond that is I've discovered that you can use soft links to share configuration information between Mozilla, Phoenix, and MozillaFirebird hidden directories. Usually, though, all it takes is to create your setup within the .mozilla directory, and the other browsers can read the information. For me, that's a big advantage, because each browser has desirable characteristics. Being able to share those characteristics is extremely valuable and useful.
Since the main conversation in this thread is about the new Opera release for Linux, my comments are that this version seems to be very fast, based on a very short set of tests. It also appears to have one or two flaws, at least. I was able to bring the browser down within five minutes by visiting a discussion forum at Ziff Davis Media's Extreme Tech Web site. Given that problem, I'll probably be using Opera mostly when I plan to be downloading software. I like the way Opera handles download transfers.
This new browser is on my keeper's list, but probably won't be my most frequently used browser, simply because I ran into problems so quickly. I will, however, give it a longer test drive, and use it along with many other browsers.
Brian Masinick, masinick at yahoo dot com Linux
Yes, of course, you are all-knowing, and I should educate myself. Thank you, sorry to have bothered you.
PS The population of the US is >260 mil. 9/260 = 3%
For those who haven't tried the beta...
This release is important for web developers because it supports
the full alpha channel transparency for PNG format images, both in
the foreground and the background. Gecko has had support for this
for some time, but Opera 6 was missing it.
KHTML (as of Konq 3.1.0) still needs this, and of course MSIE.
But when all the browsers you have to support have it, it makes
a lot of visual web layout design problems go away.
So, bravo to Opera for supporting the alpha channel.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
Ah, must've missed it then since it was never part of Firebird or Mozilla, but just as a downloadable plugin.
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
No, its been a part of Mozilla (the app suite) since 0.9.5 by default.
:)
View>Show/Hide>Site Navigation bar.
I've since learnt the Opera version does a bit more than just look at link elements though. Apparently if it finds an anchor with the text "Next" it'll offer that link in the link toolbar. Kinda neat
heh. I'll see your Ann Coulter and raise you a Noam Chomsky and a Michael Moore! I guess if both sides complain about your paper, you're doing alright. And having lived all over, I would agree the coasts are generally liberal. The important parts, anyway. :-P
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