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Finally: Broadband for the Commodore 64
GP writes "Now even die-hard Commodore 64 users are able to enjoy the benefits of broadband Internet connectivity. A newly announced Ethernet card together with the Contiki operating system lets you surf the web, send e-mail, host web sites with the built-in web server, and soon even play LAN games on your good old Commodore 64! All this with a computer that is old enough to drink."
Now I can play Tank! With my friends in Iraq!
A C64 will hardly be able to push 2kbps, which makes broadband seem useless to me. It would seem that beyond the "coolness factor," the most realistic thing to do would be to just simply run it through your PC using serial, and save a buck. Maybe if we can just figure out how to overclock a C64 to 250mhz, we could saturate a T1!
The Protocols
It'll be the first ever time the CPU bus is a bottleneck to the Internet connection
All this with a computer that is old enough to drink
Am I the only person who has no idea just what in the hell that is supposed to mean?
And oh yeah, good job on the ethernet stuff for the C64.
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
As we all know, the standard is whether or not something can "flood a 10BaseT network". Anyone who has read the networking HOWTOs know that Pentium 100's can "do this easily".
So...can it? If not, how much traffic do I have to send it to bring it to a crawl? :-)
Please help metamoderate.
"...All this with a computer that is old enough to drink." uh....to drink? since when do things get so old that you can drink them?
Does this mean that some day, following a screwy bit of logical progression, I'll be able to run WindowMaker on my TI-56?
I can hardly wait! *hop*
Everything in the Universe sucks: It's the law!
I was beginning to fear that I would have to upgrade at some point!
E.
Never rub another man's rhubarb - The Joker
Okay, start posting "C= 64 was the 'my first'/'last real'/'first real'/'best' computer/piece of crap" messages.
I finally got networked play going for my Atari 2600.
I gotta tell you, being able to play "Combat" head-to-head over the Internet is an absolute revolution in gaming!
When's the Dragon 32 port of Contiki and ethernet card coming out - I've still got 2 gathering dust in the wardrobe :P
I don't read your sig, why do you read mine?
So I can finally, after all these years, play some head-to-head Gianna Sisters deathmatch?
I'll be honest, we're throwing science against the wall to see what sticks. -Cave Johnson
any DSL modem or router is probably at least a hundred times faster than a C64.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
You can see the AMD square/arrow logo on the corner of one of the chips. Cool.
Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
(Anonymous non-karma w***e posting.)
13.09.2003: Retro Replay and RR-Net available
In time with the announced date, the new production run of the Retro Replay is finished. Compared to the old cartridges, only cosmetic changes have been made: The most significant change is the colour: Blue instead of black. After many requests by users, the jumpers are now mounted straight, not to the side. To ensure proper mounting in our new cases, the mounting hole has been moved and changed in diameter to perfectly fit the transparent cases.
At the same time, the networking card RR-Net is going on sale. The card is plugged to the expansion port of the Retro Replay, and allows connecting the C64 to an intranet. Although the operating system Contiki is freeware, we have an agreement with the author Adam Dunkels: He gets paid for every RR-Net unit that's sold. Contiki is an operating system that offers many features in very small space: A TCP/IP stack, a web browser, a webserver, a VNC-client and of course a graphical user interface. It is included on a 5,25 inch disk for the C64. To make use of all features of Contiki, an intranet with router should be available.
As an introductory offer, there's a network-bundle. It contains:
# Retro Replay
# RR-Net with Contiki
# transparent case
# worldwide shipment
together for only 100,- EUR!
Please use the contact form for your order. Unfortunately, our domain ami.ga does not work at the moment, because the republic of Gabon is currently migrating their internet connection from satellite to undersea cable. Even with our server in Germany, both the website and email addresses are affected, but the contact form works reliably!
It's been done before: http://www.dunkels.com/adam/tfe/
I met these guys (and gal :) at CGE 2k3, they are good people with some neat products. He's also made Amiga ethernet adapters as well as what looked like a homebrew Catweasel (or maybe these are the people who made it to begin with?). Also these are the guys who sponsored Jeri to create the C-1 modernized C64 motherboard.
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Get ready for lots of 40-column width formatted Slashdot postings! :)
Wow, and the way that the contiki webbrowser is designed you can even view site like slashdot who's html is larger than the amount of RAM in the machine itself!
Your junk C=64 machine sucks. My Atari rules. ATASCII is soo much better than that ugly ASCII you have to use.
I was going to post this in all caps like any kid back then would have, but I decided to save everyone's eyes. (I think the lameness filter would have stoped that)
I wonder if they will port Mozilla to the C64, or at least Lynx or Mosiac? Nothing like browsing the web in 16 different colors, but MIDI/MOD songs will sound great on the SID chip.
:)
I wonder if Adobe will port Acrobat Reader to the C64? Imagine if Apple did a Quicktime port? How about Shockwave Flash too.
I remember that a company bought out the C64 and its games and had a web portal to buy them. Imagine if they created a subscription service to download and play C64 games over this broadband device for an actual C64? Best use I can think of an Ethernet adapter for a C64. Has to be faster than loading the games from a 1541 drive or tape.
C64 users, welcome to our world.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
Yipee! Soon they'll have a way to hook up my solar powered scientific calculator. Then I can trade formulas and answers (wait...that would be wrong) with friends from Carnegie Mellong AND MIT. Awww yeah!
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts...for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang
How is the parent offtopic again?: "I agree with the FP. 20% of the people in the world do not have enough to eat. Want something interesting to do? Help feed one or more of the hungry. If you care about being relevant, case mods, games, and broadband C64s are OFF TOPIC. Don't mod this down just because you disagree. Look at the logic."
imagine a whole beowulf cl....ahh forget it.
Go read some bible: nubible.com
That was also done by Adam Dunkels, the guy behind Contiki and the RR-Net Ethernet card.
In a shocking fit of synchronicity, I stumbled upon a java aplet version of Lords of Conquest, and have been playing for the last hour...an hour before this story was posted...
Ah, the good ol days. Who said you could never go back?
Why?
The same reason dogs lick themselves. Because they can.
What a great idea to limit bandwidth usage. Hookup up a C64 as a firewall and *presto* you are blocking ports and keeping the P2P usage down to 2K/sec. Burn the firewall code to a start-up cartridge ROM, make the C64 run off a 12V battery with a DC-DC converter for the needed +/-5V. Throw the whole thing in a black box with a solar panel on top and sell it as the next big thing in network security.
20% of the people in the world are hungry.
Shouldn't you be out feeding them instead of:
1) reading slashdot
2) reading a story on slashdot you don't think is worthy
3) reading, and then commenting on a story on slashdot that you don't think is worthy
By your line of reasoning, nearly everything is offtopic and not relevant except for the bare necessities of life. What a very painful existance you must lead.
I and (perhaps) all the rest of the Europeans out there thought: Old enough to drink... For a nice burgandy that probably means '94.
D.
use Blunt::Instrument;
The important thing to learn from this is that when it comes down to what the average user wants to do with a computer, the new ultra fast Xtreme P4 is not necessary. Surfing the web, email, and word processing can be done with a sub $100 computer system given the correct software.
This also brings up the sheer amount of unneccessary bloat in alot of software today.
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Squirrel
Circuit Cellar has an article on building an Ethernet board here.
The CS8900 is capable of being used with an 8- or 16- bit cpu. Perfect for interfacing with small computers.
All that is necessary for the triumph of good is that evil men do nothing.
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"Don't mod this down just because you disagree. Look at the logic."
Some of us make a living from this geek stuff. Can't feed people if I have no money. Your logic is faulty.
"Derp de derp."
It's not in manual but let me reveal:
you can connect an original arcade(r) stick to the internet adaptor. By wiggling it left-right really fast you can help the adaptor process packets, thus upgrading its speed.
There must be somebody out there who's really desperate for a good Slashdotting of their Commodore 64.
We could hang out and play "Raid over Moscow" on my Commodore 64 (no broadband yet, sorry) and enjoy some cold war nostalgia when we all stood side by side against the communists...ahh, those were the days...;-)
According to this timeframe we only have to wait a couple of years before we can surf the internet on our regular ol' PC's. Woohoo!
Fat people are harder to kidnap.
nah, back then they would have haxorizedf the entire message, asnd then gone on to flame people for 20 more messages...
... hi bingo
It seems to me that if those things are OFF TOPIC, then any recreational activity is as well. Should we do nothing in life except sustain ourselfves just enough so that we can follow worthwhile causes? If that's the case, then I must be a pretty terrible person, since the only hungry person I help feed is my room-mate.
"20% of the people in the world do not have enough to eat."
Wrong. 18% of people in DEVELOPING COUNTRIES don't have enough to eat, according to the Food and Agriculture Organization. 12% of the global population is malnourished. The numbers are huge enough as it is without getting them wrong.
"Don't mod this down just because you disagree."
No, mod it down because it's wrong.
I can't wait to see all that pr0n in crystal clear 4 colors! Talkin' about a Cheese Box!
I'm just sitting here watching the bits go round and round.
If you open your mind too wide, people will throw trash in it.
It's bad enough that people who try putting their C64 on the Internet will probably lose all of their valuable data. What really worries me, though, is a plague of dozens of zombie C64 machines under the control of hackers bringing down valuable services like Google and Yahoo with DDoS attacks.
A plain modified tape player! Of course! Was it given to himher by his dadmum?
It means that, in order to run at a decent speed, you have to overclock the C64's 6502 so much that it requires a water cooling setup.
HIV Crosses Species Barrier... into Muppets
So basically I'm just glad to see there are people who are still focused on this kind of development, for the C64 specifically and for computers in general. If it can be made to work on a small scale, it should be usable on powerful systems as well. I think this was the genius of Linux--from PDAs to mainframes, the same system works. And frankly I'd really like to try this on my old C64s (I have two because a friend gave me his when he got tired of it, which was a good thing because my power supply gave out). But I wouldn't want to shell out the 100 euros....
How about old enough to run for President?
Can it run Linux?
Wow, another bleeding heart telling us we should feel bad if we don't spend all our waking hours taking care of the poor people.
You say case mods, games and broadband are not relevant or on topic? This is slashdot, this is not 'SaveTheWorld.org'
How totally pissed off and white do you have to be in order to walk around 100% of the time consumed with guilt that others are hungry? How arrogant must you be to come to a tech site and tell us how uninlightened we are because we are speaking about technical things.
Go preach your tree hugging gospel elsewhere please. This is "News for Nerds" not "Articles about Social Issues" as your site claims to be.
Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
Great. Cuz this iBook/Jaguar was just waaaaay too fast, man.
This is like climbing Mount Anthill. Because it's there. Well, it was when I started...
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
You think my comment was reasonable? Oh boy.
Funniest.
Thread.
EVER.
El riesgo vive siempre!
I would compare the stock 64 speed with it to about a 600 baud terminal connection (not bad for 1mghz displaying in hi-res mode), easy enough to read without stopping the stream (there is no buffer in the web browser, sice contiki uses a lot of the 64's 58k or so of accessible memory.)
With the C64 20 mghz accellerator, SuperCPU (by CMD - now offered by Commodore Key,) the speed matches a modern PC - albeit a slower one.
To sum it up, given the tight memory and small amount of hardware needed now - it sure opens up opportunities for some low-end internet projects. (even grander ones when people with RAM expansions start developing for it) I hope one day someone makes a Commodore C/G BBS and C64 Telenet Client using them or maybe a internet variation of the old Commodore Q-Link network (Q-Link was AOL before they became AOL).
Also with the eventual release of the ultra-cool reconfigurable computer - the C-One (which can use the RR-Net card) and Jeri Ellsworth's (she created the C-One) work on an Apple II interface which I believe also has similar capabilities - you are proably going to hear about a lot more 8-bitters on the internet with their little computers. :-)
But realistically I am hoping 'The Final Ethernet' card (which is just the Ethernet adapter interfaced to the 64) gets developed though, using the Retro Replay Utility Cartridge as an intemediary ads a buch of $$ to the price (I'm a Commodore fanatic, I had to buy one, not everyone would like those prices though.)
"Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
why not
Now to find a tcp/ip stack for my CPM computer.
No, and we can't drink alcoholic beverages either. We can't just get along until we've agreed on just what it is we are going to get along on, and we haven't done that yet so, no we can't get along!
You said:
All this with a computer that is old enough to drink
so I poured a beer into mine, and now it doesn't work...
It's just not the same as the feeling I got when my 300 baud modem finally came in the mail that fateful day, now that was broadband back then. I remember dialing up to Q-Link, which I believe became AOL. I remember picking up a Basic game programming book and not leaving my computer room for 3 days until I had programmed and saved them all. I may have to dig out the old keyboard and try this for myself. I think my monitor is wonky though. And I do have that sweet 128 cartridge that plugs into the back of the keyboard. Blue screen=good, green screen=even better.
I hate sigs.
Anyone remember This article by our favorite blowhard Jon Katz about a boy in Afghanistan that supposedly was on the net with his Commodore 64?
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
If I had a C64, I'd be happy to hook it, (or anything else), up to broadband. If it was available where I live, that is.
Thanks for nothing Verizon...
"A revolution without dancing is... a revolution not worth having"
The downside is that you'll fill up the harddrive in 5 seconds!
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Hello,
I'd have to say that perhaps their buying out of the NYC public school system and assimilating the schools into the M$ collective is probably more interesting of a topic.
Even more interesting is that Joel Klein (who was the head of the JD's antitrust division and responsible for prosecuting M$) ais now the schools chancellor. He's reported as saying he'd made up with good ole Bill-Borg.
Very interesting.
BTW, go troll elsewhere.
rr
In the spirit of an ethernet card for the C64 I'm working on the following:
1. Climbing with gear from the 1800's
2. Souping up a Model T
3. Creating a fully automatic muzzle loader
4. Compression scemes for 5.25" floppies
5. Teaching a VERY old dog new tricks
It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
Ah yes, it was the guy at humanclock.com that said he was using a tandy trs 80 as a webserver
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that the network card has more computing horsepower than the motherboard?
Subject says what he means.
(If at first you don't succeed, do it different next time!)
Great, just what I need - to be surrounded by a bunch of drunk German computer nerds.
I think I'll wait for the Berlin techno festival; at least there'll be cute girls there.
Faster to do what? To boot? Maybe. But then again, who boots SparcStation more than once in a month?
I say we agree where that Raid over Moscow is one of the best games. ever.
Needle Nardle Noo
He's not being cold, he's being real. If you give an average slashdotter $1000 what do you think he'll do with it?
1. Feed the hungry.
2. Buy a phat gaming machine.
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Calling all trolls! Calling All Trolls! Masters of the NNTP Protocol, we need your trolls in the comp.sys.amiga.games newsgroup.
Goatse, Tubgirl, spin.gif, we need it all. Amiga is dying posts!
If you dont post in comp.sys.amiga.games then your a nullo! Body nullification
I take it that your Sun workstation is partially disassembled, awaiting the replacement of a critical component.
Thats fantastic now even my granpa can download PrOn
Doctors do Massage in Longview WA now, who knew?
That's because its CPU doesn't have Intel's NetBurst technology!
Comment forecast: Bits of genius surrounded by a sea of mediocrity.
Now BIFF will be spamming Usenet 24/7 with his new broadband connection. Am I the only
I am very easy to get along with, but I don't have time to waste being nice to people who are being stupid. -Theo
The worst part was the errors in the listings of source code in the magazines. A whole lot of typing just to see the program not actually work.
Ah, yes, those were the days...
It made a dorm mate's Macintosh seem nothing short of miraculous when I went to my first year of college a couple of years later.
Using a C64 to cruise the Internet? That would be a strange experience indeed!
Quoth he
"It's all academic anyway..."
"this is like sticking a V8 engine in a go-cart..." sounds like something you would see on Home Improvement
Doctors do Massage in Longview WA now, who knew?
I don't understand how people have the time, energy, and money to do stuff like this. I have about half the time I need as a student, I can't imagine it gets much easier when you get a job. And even if I did have lots of free time, I can't imagine wanting to do THIS of all things.
I, for one, welcome our 40 column retro Commodore 64 overlords..
"You lied to me! There is a Swansea!"
Just let it go, people. _Let it go_ already.
I had one of these machines when I was a kid. I outgrew BASIC fairly rapidly and started coding in assembly. My blue 6502 Assembly book was so dog eared that it made neighborhood beagles jealous. While I was taking calculus in college, I wrote a crude ray tracer that output 16 colored blocks and attempted to use screen refresh rates to eek more than 16 colors out of each text cell. I'm as big a fan of the machine as anyone, but it's time has passed.
Now, however, both the CELL PHONE AND PDA IN MY POCKET have more beef than a C=64.
I mean, if you're going to mod something from that era, at least use a C-128D. There's so much more room in the case.
so, anyway.
now that i can download the next screener of 'return of the king' on my C64, how many cassette tapes would it take to save a divx?
f64 : bringing crack to all the children of the world
You make your living off of modifying C=64s?
Where can I get a cool job like that?
Avoid Missing Ball for High Score
The referenced website obviously is hosted by a Commodore64, because it hasn't crashed yet unlike those diesel-powered Rackmount Quad Pentium4+Extreme Xeon servers that can't handle a slashdotting.
;-)
This brings the bigger questions:
Could the age^H^H^H maturity of a computing technology [Commodore64] be the deciding factor of how well it outperforms this much younger technology Intel and AMD shoves in everyone's server rooms?
Could anyone provide any benchmark scores on an Imaginary BeoWULF cluster of Commodore64's? I heard some number, like about 750 [giga]Flops, but I don't want to spread rumors...
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My puny 20 antique RPN calculator collection and I worship at your feet.
Quattuor res in hoc mundo sanctae sunt: libri, liberi, libertas et liberalitas.
im still waiting
Erm, that's why they make ADAPTERS. Or, you could take some coax cable, cut off the end, and put that on a Cat5 cable...
At least, I hope one day I'll be able to connect my Atari XL up to the 'net. ;)
-bill!
As long as BT works, I'll take a C64.
"You make your living off of modifying C=64s?"
I make a living by finding hacks like this generally useful. My company hired me to be the web master and I ended up finding other interesting stuff to do as well, such as maintaining machines and solving technical problems. I'm a systems analyst today and I've survived 2 rounds of layoffs despite lack of a college degree.
"Derp de derp."
I always knew it. World War III won't start in Iraq, or Afghanistan or wherever. It will start from a flamewar on /.
btw to heat up the discussion a bit:
Once a friend of mine had some visitors from the U.S. and we showed them around town and they seemed to like what they saw. Then the other day we wanted to take them to Dachau and they replied: "Well, Munich is all nice and stuff, but we don't really appreciate what you are doing to the jews!" - Those folks believed we were still holocausting the jews, all the time. Wow, that was creepy!
Does Compuserve offer broadband?
...was my first computer, though I remember playing around on a Pet computer (my Aunt's) and a color Trash 80 (my cousin's). But the ZX-81 was mine. I used to subscribe to a magazine for ZX-81 owners, with code listings that people would submit. Spent hours typing in games like Minefield and others.
They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
I had a Commodore 64 when I was a kid. I didn't have a hard drive... I had a cassette tape drive.
:)
Yeah, but that was then - this is now
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
(kidding of course... but I'll bet someone out there does.)
Quoth he
"It's all academic anyway..."
Is it possible to run this under VICE and still get broadband connectivity (DSL)?
-Cnik
Is to figure out how to install a ATI card in order to play Half Life 2 w; maximum framerate...
how long until
I remember sitting and war-dialing the local BBS waiting for the guy who was hogging the line to finally log off.
Heh. BBS's for one user at a time... Man that takes me back.
Clear, Dark Skies
??V?\lo all. please support my project to bring divx quality movies to the C64. i need cassettes. lots of cassettes. like, really really lot of cassettes.
contact me for shipping info.
f64 :
Weird but kinda neat... how many computers do you know where you can write an upward-slanting diagonal, multi-coloured string with a single PRINT statement?
This reminds me of the only single-line animation program I've ever seen... It was basically (no pun intended):Where {cX} are cursor codes for up, down, left, and right.
Ahh.. those were the days. Reaching for the power switch was the longest part of bootup time, and nary a bit was wasted. BASIC interpreter in 8KB, DOS in 8KB, and a complete graphical OS (GEOS) in 64KB. And a dozen games on a 170K floppy
I think it's time to dig up an emulator and play some Impossible Mission, Space Taxi, and Jumpman
"Mind, as manifested by the capacity to make choices, is to some extent present in every electron." -Freeman Dyson
Too Bad with the C64's 1mhz 6510 CPU at 56k modem speeds this almost causes a bottle neck in itself! :P
Over exaggerating! Me? No way!
Modesty is one of life's greatest attributes
That reminds me of the story about the American tourist visiting a stately home just outside London.
She was so impressed she commented to the tour guide "Oh, it's beautiful... but why did they build it so close to the airport?"
Your premise of "my line of reasoing" is based on your three questions. Well ,here is a reality check:
No one really gives a rat's rectum what you think and I will bet YOU are the one with the "painful existence"
LOAD"CONTIKI",8
(wait about a minute for the file to load if no fast loader)
RUN
(set IP Addresses from Contiki menu with Net config if not done already before)
Use RUN option from the Contiki Menu
Enter www.prg - press return.
Once loaded enter a website address, cursor over to GO and press return. (use return to stop mid stream. Cursor over to links and/or fields. etc.
"Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
Man, I feel old. The TS/1000 was also my first machine, and I just turned 30 a couple of days ago. Ouch.
Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
RJ45 socket
8 little wires in it
plugs into my 10BaseT hub...
Maybe I'm missing something by owning one.... :-/
"Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
From a cursory glance at the board, it looks like it plugs into the user port. That means it has access to the data lines from the 6526 VIA, which yields a single memory-mapped address for I/O.
...I think that adds up to 3 + 3 + 1 + 2 cycles per byte, and an overhead of at least 6 more cycles per page crossed. You could shave off two cycles out of the loop by using addresses in the zero page, but since some of those addresses are reserved, you wouldn't be able to use all 255 bytes.
That means the fastest you could write a page would be something like this:
STA 56579, 255
LDX, #0
LOOP:
LDA $BUFFER,X
STA 56577
DEX
BEQ LOOP
In order to do DMA, the controller would need to plug into the expansion port, which gives you direct access to the address and data lines of the system bus. But as another poster pointed out, you have to blank the video during transfers to achieve maximal throughput due to the VIC-IIs habit of stealing cycles for itself.
Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
Are you sure? I think some instructions (NOP, NMI?) are one clock. But it's been ten years since I've looked.
Of course, your point is still valid, IIRC most of the indirect load/store instructions were three clocks, more if you cross page boundaries, one less if you're dealing with zero page.
Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
As Coktiki OS has a webserver, does this mean I can build a webpage for the C64 that loads up a SID file when the other user hits the site with a C64?
I mean, I'm tired of all those lousy MIDI files I heave to listen to on other people's sites, but a SID would be really cool!
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
...but Atari is still better. You can use SIO2PC to use your desktop or server as Atari floppy, you can also use Atari as console. But most important, obvious reason why Atari is just better: best multiplayer strategy game on 8-bit computers was about planet IRATA. If you don't know what game is it, then you lost your best years, trust me :)
All this with a computer that is old enough to drink
I drank my C64 many years ago. Sold it and bought beer.
I'm just sitting here watching the bits go round and round.
If you open your mind too wide, people will throw trash in it.
There are no viruses for C64s. How do you put a virus onto a computer that boots from a read only floppy? I believe its more dangerous to the internet to run PCs with Micro$oft OS and software. Had any nice worms lately? Debian rules!
user name so i'll break it down for you
americans drink oil; lots of oil
think about it
Old satellites have a significant processing time as well. Getting from Europe to US through a satellite connection takes about 500->600 ms, where light only accounts for ~200ms of them (satellites are at ~40K Km - 100ms for light). Good ol' traceroute.
The Raven
-Chris
--an unbreakable toy is useful for breaking other toys--
We're so stupid, it's almost amazing the we lead the world in technological innovation and our military stands unchallenged as the greatest ever. Go figure.
The commodore and I have been drinking buddies for years.
http://mediagoblin.org/
would I want to drink a C64??
I'll care if someone can make one of these for my Apple //e.
-uso.
What you hear in the ear, preach from the rooftop Matthew 10.27b
Has anyone gotten Netscape to run under GEOS? :)
Now all I need is some telnet software and I'm all set... I really gotta get my C128 outa the basement and back up and running. I bought a 20mhz super cpu for it, and still have yet to install it. Damn. Gotta do.
-- Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Besides, you wouldn't want to be known for murdering the baby u's, would you? Of course not. Some insist that it's mean to enslave them, but I say they have a right to work just as hard (or taste just as bad) as all the other vowels.
[Wondering how someone who knows honourable spellings wound up on my freaks list??!]
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
More seriously, isn't this just a slightly souped up Minitel running on a bit more computing power than the original?
the first C-64 virus!