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Sony Develops 25 GB Paper Disc
jaaron writes "TOPPAN Printing and Sony today announce the successful development of a 25GB paper disc based on Blu-ray Disc technology. Yes, that's right, *paper*. Details will be announced at the Optical Data Storage 2004 conference to be held from April 18th to April 21st at Monterey, California."
I thought IBM had done this already.
PDF on Blu-Ray Disk.
Seems like they would be very easy to damage.
It's not like the penny or two per plastic disk is a major expense.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
Wow, it must write in REALLLLY tiny letters.
Objects in the blog are closer then they ap
I mean, that's the natural next step from their post-it notes after all.
Paper, I guess that "erasing data" has a whole new meaning now.
---- Take the Space Quiz!
Now you can pass notes with BANDWIDTH!
There go my plans for a paperless office.
Since a paper disc can be cut by scissors easily, it is simple to preserve data security when disposing of the disc".
Since the disc is made out of paper, and the current number of optical discs is about 20 billion per year, it is easy to use even more trees.
Since a paper disc can be cut by anything easily, it is simple to destroy data when handling the disc.
Man, that punchcard has gotta have teeny-tiny holes.
When I was in college, I could cram 50GB of information on a 3x5 crib sheet by writing really really small.
so much for the paperless office
Well, I guess that's one way to ensure a bit more privacy...
Your warez stash being raided? Eat the evidence!!
I wonder how this new disc would deal with heat, though. Since most reading devices--and just being inside a closed space--produces heat. Heat and paper aren't necessarily a Good Thing.
i dont know if i can write small enough on the paper to beat the storage capacity. Can I at least use the backside?
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A paper disk huh?
Sounds like yet another Sony product to wipe our asses with...
Here's a picture of the 25GB disc. It's a little big right now, but once they up the density, I'm sure you'll see it in more consumer products.
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Archeologists ten thousand years from now will wonder why the march of civilization ended in the twenty-first century. They really should be working on a STONE disk, don't you think?
We can recycle our old disks, and the iminent AOL distributions, at bars!
This would be very cool! The idea of dumps full of plastic disks is a bit disheartening.
what will happen if someone, like my little brother, starts writting random things on a disc on the table like he does to some spare papers that are always there.
Here's the full text, but you can see it by simply copying & pasting the URL into a new tab/browser window:
TOPPAN and Sony Successfully Develop 25GB Paper Disc
Tokyo, Japan, Apr 15, 2004 - (JCN Newswire) - TOPPAN PRINTING CO., LTD (TSE: 7911) and Sony Corporation (TSE: 6758) today announce the successful development of a 25GB paper disc based on Blu-ray Disc technology. Details will be announced at the Optical Data Storage 2004 conference to be held from April 18th to April 21st at Monterey, California.
Using the disc-structure of Blu-ray Disc technology, the new paper disc has a total weight that is 51% paper. The two companies jointly began this optical disc project approximately a year ago. Blu-ray Disc is commonly known for allowing more than 2 hours of high-definition program recording.
Hideaki Kawai, Managing Director, Head of Corporate R&D Division, TOPPAN CO., LTD commented: "Using printing technology on paper allows a high level of artistic label printing on the optical disc. Since a paper disc can be cut by scissors easily, it is simple to preserve data security when disposing of the disc".
Masanobu Yamamoto, Senior General Manager of Optical System Development Gp., Optical Disc Development Div., Sony Corporation said: "Since the Blu-ray Disc does not require laser light to travel through the substrate, we were able to develop this paper disc. By increasing the capacity of the disc we can decrease the amount of raw material used per unit of information."
The worldwide production of optical discs is approximately 20 billion per year and optical discs are being adopted widely. The combination of paper material and printing technology is also expected to lead to a reduction in cost per disc and will expand usage.
TOPPAN and Sony will continue development of the disc for practical use.
About Sony Corporation
Sony Corporation (TSE: 6758) is a leading manufacturer of audio, video, game, communications, key device and information technology products for the consumer and professional markets. With its music, pictures, computer entertainment and on-line businesses, Sony is uniquely positioned to be the leading personal broadband entertainment company in the world. Sony recorded consolidated annual sales of approximately $62 billion for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2003. For further information, please visit the Sony Corporation home page at: www.sony.net/
About Toppan Printing Co Ltd.
Toppan Printing Co., Ltd. (TSE: 7911), since its founding in 1900, has played key roles in worldwide leadership of the printing industry, generated global acclaim and US$10 billion in revenues. Today, the Company's operations extend beyond conventional lines of printing and show strong performances in each field, including securities and cards, commercial printing, publications printing, packaging, industrial materials,and electronics. Especially in the electronics field, Toppan boasts the largest share of the world market for liquid-crystal color filters. For further information, please visit the Toppan Printing Co Ltd. home page at: www.toppan.co.jp/english/
Contact:
Sony Corporation
Gerald Cavanagh
Gerald.Cavanagh@jp.sony.com
Tel: +81-3-5448-2200; Fax: +81-3-5448-3061
Spirograph.
exactly how long will this paper last before it starts decomposing in some way?
How many paper discs would you need to fit the Library of Congress? Oh, nevermind.
sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
funny how technology is circular (yeah, ok poun intended)
With the right technological and scientific aproch it is posible to strore data on anything including my packet of Duck sauce i didnt use at lunch...u can write data and read data from anything and to anything...this also dosent strike me to be more reliable than a floppy disk if not even less reliable...but for the hell of it this is kinda cool...
TOPPAN and Sony Successfully Develop 25GB Paper Disc
Tokyo, Japan, Apr 15, 2004 - (JCN Newswire) - TOPPAN PRINTING CO., LTD (TSE: 7911) and Sony Corporation (TSE: 6758) today announce the successful development of a 25GB paper disc based on Blu-ray Disc technology. Details will be announced at the Optical Data Storage 2004 conference to be held from April 18th to April 21st at Monterey, California.
Using the disc-structure of Blu-ray Disc technology, the new paper disc has a total weight that is 51% paper. The two companies jointly began this optical disc project approximately a year ago. Blu-ray Disc is commonly known for allowing more than 2 hours of high-definition program recording.
Hideaki Kawai, Managing Director, Head of Corporate R&D Division, TOPPAN CO., LTD commented: "Using printing technology on paper allows a high level of artistic label printing on the optical disc. Since a paper disc can be cut by scissors easily, it is simple to preserve data security when disposing of the disc".
Masanobu Yamamoto, Senior General Manager of Optical System Development Gp., Optical Disc Development Div., Sony Corporation said: "Since the Blu-ray Disc does not require laser light to travel through the substrate, we were able to develop this paper disc. By increasing the capacity of the disc we can decrease the amount of raw material used per unit of information."
The worldwide production of optical discs is approximately 20 billion per year and optical discs are being adopted widely. The combination of paper material and printing technology is also expected to lead to a reduction in cost per disc and will expand usage.
TOPPAN and Sony will continue development of the disc for practical use.
About Sony Corporation
Sony Corporation (TSE: 6758) is a leading manufacturer of audio, video, game, communications, key device and information technology products for the consumer and professional markets. With its music, pictures, computer entertainment and on-line businesses, Sony is uniquely positioned to be the leading personal broadband entertainment company in the world. Sony recorded consolidated annual sales of approximately $62 billion for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2003. For further information, please visit the Sony Corporation home page at: www.sony.net/
About Toppan Printing Co Ltd.
Toppan Printing Co., Ltd. (TSE: 7911), since its founding in 1900, has played key roles in worldwide leadership of the printing industry, generated global acclaim and US$10 billion in revenues. Today, the Company's operations extend beyond conventional lines of printing and show strong performances in each field, including securities and cards, commercial printing, publications printing, packaging, industrial materials,and electronics. Especially in the electronics field, Toppan boasts the largest share of the world market for liquid-crystal color filters. For further information, please visit the Toppan Printing Co Ltd. home page at: www.toppan.co.jp/english/
Contact:
Sony Corporation
Gerald Cavanagh
Gerald.Cavanagh@jp.sony.com
Tel: +81-3-5448-2200; Fax: +81-3-5448-3061
But what if there are hanging chads? Is that bit a one or a zero?
I talked about this with a friend, though not Blu-Ray. I think we figured it using a 300 DPI printer with 8.5 X 11 sheets of paper. A dot of black ink would be a 1. No dot would be a 0. It turns out that the capacity is pretty low. I'd post the math, but I'm pretty sure I'd mess it up somewhere.
I think we decided it would get interesting if full color was used and different colors meant different binary combos.
Anyway, good on them if the discs can be made for cheaper than current DVDs.
Imagine what this could do for the rental business. Now, I'm not about to get rid of my DVDs, and I hope they don't stop selling them: I rather like "owning" a movie I can play whenever Iike.
But getting on an airplane, and instead of "renting" a movie, I just but the cheap $2.00 one. This is what DiVX could have been without the annoying DRM and phone calling back method.
If I want to try out a game, such as "Jak and Daxter 14: Goatees for Everybody", I could get the cheap $5 full version paper demo, try it out, and when the disk finally breaks down say "Well, I can either buy another $5 version and finish the game, or pay $30 for the full version".
Either way, Sony doesn't come across looking evil, and I get what I want.
52 Weeks, 52 Religions with John Hummel
Paper?
Does this mean our office Xerox is a illegal device?
thx alot...now I can't use toilet paper....gotta find some leaves from now on.
From the article:
The worldwide production of optical discs is approximately 20 billion per year and optical discs are being adopted widely.
What is it minus AOL?
Extending this thread, it's too bad Sony didn't work on this with P The "Bounty" version of the AOL disk could pre-emptively clean up those annoying coffee drips and the "Charmin" version, well the AOL disks would finally actually be useful.
myke
Mimetics Inc. Twitter
Awesome! One third of the way there.
Now all we need is a Rock based disk and a Scissors based disk. Then have them fight it out for world dominance.
"good old rock, nothing beats rock!"
no
I'm reminded of the old Commodore 1541 5.25" floppy disk drive, that could format a paper plate without errors.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
"Using the disc-structure of Blu-ray Disc technology, the new paper disc has a total weight that is 51% paper"
Its kinda like saying WinBlows is better then Linux, but after reading the fine print: "the systems were judged by 100 people, 51 being microsoft employees..."
Yes its paper under the text books (congrats on pulling it off) but then again its also 49% not paper, probably good old plastics...
.. accessorize my Paper PC (ZDNet announcment)
John gets to work, and first thing, verifies the data backup from last night.
John inserts the paper disk into his 32x CDrom, waits for it to spin up, then promptly evacuates the building when his machine erupts in flames.
"Inattention makes clowns of us all" -Bean
>since a paper disc can be cut by scissors easily,
Yep. Scissors cut paper disc, paper disc cuts fingers, fingers bleed on scissors, causing them to rust.
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size is great but do Blue ray drives perform ?
How long is the data on these discs supposed to last? Data retention on writeable CDs and DVDs is a big issue.
So if the burn doesn't work, we can still call them coasters, right?
So Dilbert was right, smaller fonts can save on disk space.
This will certainly make partitioning much easier being able to use scissors instead of software. Partitioning on the hardware level. Imagine that. ;-)
while true ; do echo this is my sig; done
They're merely blocking the referrer.
I'm saving that because it's my backups!
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So will we still call them CD burners? It'll be like Farenheit 451. CD burners will be used to destroy data and some of us will remember when CD burners actually wrote data.
"People that quote themselves in their signatures bother me" - athakur999
the old mantra from the days of holerith cards ...
Do not fold, spindle, or mutalate still apply?
If they can solve the problem of data loss from folding a disk. (I guess it can be done using massive redundancy).
We can send share data by throwing paper air planes at each other.
How cool is that?
Just have to use that eraser carfully.
Why in Monterey... The Sea Otter is going on this week, and Sony Playstation is a co-sponsor, but I didn't think Sony had much of a presence around here. I wonder if I could noodle on over and sit in on this...
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Achille Talon
Hop!
How to store computer data on paper
What's next? The return of mainframes?
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A medium with the longevity of paper and the price of computer hardware. I bet they tought long and hard on how to get the best of both worlds.
If you get it wrong can you jsut use an earser to format the disk?
Rus
Cheap UK and US VPS
OK, 25GB isn't quite DVD size, but it's enough to put a movie on. So think disposable DVDs. Or non-return rental DVDs. Or "environmentally friendly" consumer DVDs if you prefer, that just happen to wear out so you can buy a new one every year or so...
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
You know you've been on slashdot too long when you ready that game title and think
"oooh. that's nasty"
oh wait, goaTEES.
Steven V.
I patented screwing your mom. But it got revoked for "prior art."
again!
Now, we know what the media format for the PS3 will be.
Now my new set of AOL coasters will be absorbant!
The math is pretty easy: 300 bits per inch * 300 bits per inch is 90,000 bits per square inch, or 10,000 parity bytes per square inch. So, more-or-less, 10k per square inch.
8.5in * 11in = 93.5 in^2. That's 935k. Less than a meg.
Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.
My Fahrenheit 451 divx.
after Sony releases the new College-ruled version.
The office toilet is always out of paper - now Sony has finaly provided a "backup"...
Do you think it will come in extra soft? 3 layers?
We can now put information down on paper!!!
Just think of what we can do now!
You could like....put a whole book or something on it!
Nah...that'll never work.
"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.
So is this good or bad for the environment? Can these disks be recycled? Can they be made from recycled paper? Do they contribute less to landfills, or do they result in more trees getting chopped?
use your turn signal! you people act like it's divulging information to the enemy
I'm honestly having trouble coming up with a practical application for this. I RTFA and learned (I think) that they're using "DVD-like" technology, but that the substrate is (51% by weight) paper, not acrylic and aluminum. The advantage? "It's easier to cut with scissors," states the article.
What possible benefit does this present. Someone help me out.
The cure for cancer is coming: Reovirus
If someone had a way to benefit from this,
It's AOL.
just fold it properly and throw it next door...
Achille Talon
Hop!
"(AP) As part of its future plans. Sony will find a way to encode data on a fresh Supreme "Pizza! Pizza! from Little Ceasars. This is expected to appease the DRM crowd as purchasers of these sauce-covered discs will be tempted to eat the media before they have a chance to consider copying it."
My hard drive is on fire! Literally!
Then, if you get raided by "the man" your can simply ignite them like a magician. *POOF* No more incriminating evidence!
Double-wide?
true 25GB isn't enought space for the LoTR super-extended-extra-long-aren't-you-glad-you can-pause-it-to-go-to-the-bathroom edition
There is no need to get up to go; as the movie is printed on its own toilet paper.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
So I could make copies at Kinkos?
Fritz
_______
Huh?
Data storage on paper is nothing. They're called books. but seriously there was in the 80's a magazine that published it's programs in the form of a bar code.
Then, if you get raided by "the man" your can simply ignite them like a magician. *POOF* No more incriminating evidence!
You mean.... your illicit copy of "Cheech and Chong Up in Smoke"... up in smoke?
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
They tried stuff like this, it sucked.
Note, that's not to be confused with the DivX standard used by those nasty "pirates". There are other types of disposable DVDs floating around. The main one that comes to mind now is the one that oxidizes when you open the package.
Anyway, it especially pissed off the Slashdot crowd.
Down with Saudi Arabia!!!
Google's not fessing up any lore.
I don't think so. DVDs don't cost $30 because of the cost of plastic.
it's not the cost of the recording media that makes movies and music expensive, otherwise CDs would've come down in price like the industry promised (ha!) when the technology first came out.
if it was possible, you could come up with digital video disks made from cow chips, and they would still charge the same price for a movie.
ooo...but then Sony just needs to set up the Blueray tech to destroy the media if it is being copied.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
Now movie rental stores will be asking...
"paper or plastic"
There goes the paperless office.
And just when I had migrated all my paper tape to DVD too.
Today is a gift. Save the receipt.
Sony may be on to something here. Imagine encoding information onto the paper using some sort of symbol system that humans could be taught to interpret just by looking at the sheets? No computer necessary?
Sheets of paper encoded like this could be cut square (most efficient use of space) and then bound by the edge so datasets larger than one-sheet's-worth could be looked at in a sequential fashion.
These things are likely to be kind of bulky; if it ever takes off, there might be public buildings where people could borrow from a large repository of these paper-encoded datasets.
This is kind of mind-boggling; it is likely to be years before Sony or anyone else takes it to this next step.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Since the disc is made out of paper, and the current number of optical discs is about 20 billion per year, it is easy to use even more trees.
so you prefer to use hydrocarbons to make the disks rather than trees? Last time I checked, it's faster to grow a tree than conjure up oil from biomass.
Blaze a trail to the New World
Man, I'd be afraid to rip my data. What if the disc gets folded and tossed in your wallet? Or if someone rubs it really hard. Can you smudge the data away?
Now I can pirate movies with a fax machine and some scissors. ... and then eat the evidence.
I wonder if they're flushable?
25GB on paper. Wow. Wonder how long it will take before AOL converts to those and starts inserting them into local newspapers.
I'd have a personalized plate on my car, but "toxic bachelor" won't fit into 7 letters.
Question: "Where is your database homework?"
the return of "my dog ate my homework' excuse. With operating systems getting more reliable, we'll need to return to this old standby.
Crushing my karma one post at a time.
Apparently, there's an official industry consortium for the technology, with the list of on-board companies including Dell, HP, Hitachi, Pioneer, Sony, and many more. I also found this short intro on the underlying technology, which explains:
Large recording capacity up to 27GB:
By adopting a 405nm blue-violet semiconductor laser, with a 0.85NA field lens and a 0.1mm optical transmittance protection disc layer structure, it can record up to 27GB video data on a single sided 12cm phase change disc. It can record over 2 hours of digital high definition video and more than 13 hours of standard TV broadcasting (VHS/standard definition picture quality, 3.8Mbps)
dumbass. it already exists its called "books"
Hey, is that a spam server I see?
.. *swallow* !!
Not any more..
*eject*
My dog ate my presentation and backup of quicken.
I heard 007's boss placed an order to sony already.
the fact that now we're gonna have to worry about parercuts when getting the disk out? Fortunately tho, now you don't have to worry about the drive closing with your finger stuck in a disk
I hear they have to take down an entire rainforest for each 100-pack spindle.
Look how far we've come from paper tape to paper disc!
www.timcoleman.com is a total waste of your time. Never go there.
What is the seek time and transfer rate? Floppy mediums have always had trouble with spinning fast enough to transfer large amounts of data quickly. Usually you have to go with a rigid medium.
Although if they used enough heads in an array they could have high transfer rates even though the seek time would still suck.
Person 2: "NO!!! Dude what are you doing?! That's my porn archive!!!"
Person 1: "Yes, you see, the curve goes around the box..."
Person 2: "You asshat!"
-asoap
Treat me like a marketing stat, and I'll treat your movie like a series of ones and zeros
Hey won't it be nice to roll a fat one with a longhorn logo on it.
Got Code?
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Font sizes down to 10e-7!
We might as well store data on ice cubes, bananas... or hell, even magnets!
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books.
That tickles me in a way that if Loretta were to tickle me in that way, I'd say 'Oh. Oh yes, that's nice. That's the spot'
Dammit, somewhere between my mind and google is a 5:Funny waiting to be claimed...
What was that toy camera/slide-show thingy called... View-finder? With the paper discs - lol, need a picture of that here
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I read the article and the Blue disk pdf.
From what I understand, the blue disk is made from three parts. The top is the support for the media, the thing that give it its physical solidity. Then there is the reflective layer, with the data. Then a very thin protective layer. The main difference from CD and DVD is that the physical support is over the recording layer, not under it. And because of this configuration, the laser doesn't have to go thru the physical support as it is the case for CD and DVD. From this I understand that the part with paper is the TOP of the new "paper disk" since the recording layer and the protective layer can't have any paper at all, (Unless they found a way to use the paper to record directly on it).
I guess they cannot use only paper for the support of the "paper disk" because paper would wobble excessively at I don't know how many friggin rpms. Since they will use paper, I guess it won't be long before they add some color dye into them and start making them any color. Maybe, if enough paper is present at the surface, I could use my crayons to decorate my future Paper CD.
But anyway, a disk with 25 gig on it? Who cares what it is made of! (Even if it is cool) Think about the 25GIG PER CD!
This time if RIAA catches you with some illegal music you can eat the evidence.
Warping and wobble. A paper disc has much less structural rigidity than a plastic disc, and bending or exposure to moisture (even just high air humidity) would be serious problems. Spinning an even just slightly warped disc at DVD speeds could easily ruin the lens assembly of the player in the long run, and would most likely instantly corrupt the data layer of the disc with concentric scratches.
dumbass.
Yes, that's right, *paper*.
Never has a Post-It note held so much vital info on a fridge as the day Sony ruined my life and made my grocery list 40 times as big...
it's funny... trust me
Business \Busi"ness\, n.;
A scam in which all people involved perceive as beneficial...
How about a mobius strip
It's spelled sarcasm, genius
We would have never known this. Thanks, hero!
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Yeah as long as we are only using it in the vacuum of space we should have no problem.
Im not here now... Im out KILLING pepperoni
Next thing you know, they'll make the disc readable by the naked eye, patent it and then start suing printers.
if it was possible, you could come up with digital video disks made from cow chips, and they would still charge the same price for a movie.
You haven't seen much of what's come out of Hollywood lately, have you?
Any sufficiently well-organized Government is indistinguishable from bullshit.
Great idea. I'll get ready right now to file the patent for "encoding data into paper using symbols that can be interpreted by looking at the paper."
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Can I use scissors to partition the drive?
What about the little paper dust that builds up in anything that move paper rapidly? The copiers here at school build up an impressive amount of powder over time. I guess Sony's not using copy paper, but still...
RaviWhen the axe came to the forest, the trees said, "Look out - the handle was once one of us."
Of course, they'd probably just use the labels and keep the disks blank.
I can see it now. Before we showed how much paper was stacked up that would a equal a CD now how CDs will stack up to equal one ream of paper.
Sorry Prof, the dog ate my Disc.....
How is this going to secure Sony's dominance in terms of future standards related to the DVD Forum? Microsoft's WMP9 has already been chosen as the encoding form for the next generation HD-DVD format. Will Sony be able to use these advances as leverage to remove Microsoft from the lucrative standard? Or will we see a format war on HD-DVD just like what we've seen for recordable DVDs?
Ultimately, I'd think Sony would want Microsoft expelled from the platform. I'd also wager that Sony would expell Windows from the Vaio platform if 1. Linux was viable for Joe Consumer, or 2. Sony purchased Apple and OS X became Sony's operating system of choice. #2 would add to Sony's OS "mess." They'd be supporting OS X for computers, Symbian for Sony Ericsson mobile phones, and Palm OS for their PDAs. That's pretty funny, actually.
"Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
Ok... so if you made discs out of all the books in the Library of Congress... how many Libraries of Congress could you store?
Has anyone posted an item recently on the latest audio encoding advances which make it difficult to make digital copies?
The music industry is working on a new type of CD. It is not that compact, actually: I am guessing that the "medium pizza" size is to make it difficult to actually steal from music stores.
The discs are black, and instead of being encoded with laser-readable bits, the surface is covered with one very long spiralled indentation (or groove). Information engraved in this indentation can be read through a tiny stylus and converted into sound.
To further thwart the digital p2p "rip and post it on Kazaa" world, the audio technology is actually analog instead of digital.
The technology required to burn these things is rather bulky and expensive. Prototypes have been produced by a new audio company called "Decca" (Digital Encoding Concern Company - Advanced), some of the prototypes have turned up at garage sales. These are typically stamped with very old dates (1938? 1941?) to confuse people.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
"If I want to try out a game ... I could get the cheap $5 full version paper demo, try it out, and when the disk finally breaks down..."
They could use PD-RW (Paper Disc Rewritable), which uses disappearing ink instead of regular ink that is used for PD-R. As a bonus, the burner doubles as a disc label printer.
I guess advances in technology still can't help mother nature.
s/head crash/no ink/g
Please, oh please, tell me I dont have to wrangle through OfficeDepot looking for ink cartridges for my disks now.
Intelligence is like four wheel drive, having it just means you'll get stuck in more remote places.
There goes the rain forest.
Is there nothing it cannot do ?
Brings new meaning to ripping a disc.
ooops... uh, it's fire-resistant! sorry. well, it's, aaahhhhh, archival, yeah, that's it, archival! oh, not that either? mold-resistant? kid-tolerant? oh, I see.
well, they make good coasters.
next time, try stone and chisels.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
You're old school? I beta tested the motherf***ing abacus!
You know, we could use this things to determine who wins an election! It would be foolproof: no one would arguing over where the holes are and if they are punched out or not. The possibilities are boundless.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
kilobyte is 1000, not 1024.
1024, or 2^10, is kilobinary, or kibi.
2^20 is mebi, not mega. This has been true since 1998, so get with the program.
Symbols for them are officially supposed to be Ki and Mi, but use of capital "K" for kibi in computer circles is at least unambiguous.
Vreejack
"Will future ages believe that such stupid bigotry ever existed!" -- Ivanhoe
I hope this takes off! I can't wait to wipe may ass with Microsoft Windows! I'll let you know just how soft it really is!
Wait, isn't that the same... Oops, I forgot! I said Music Industry.
I meant that now AOL can reduce the price of their CDs.
...until they can write on my tin-foil hat!
That one side would have inifinite storage capacity!
...The Photocopier.
-JT
So instead of AOL coasters we'll now be receiving AOL kleenex?
Nyo nyo, the Neko Boy has spoken.
This disc will self-destruct in 5 seconds. Good luck, Jim!
Those who can, do. Those who can't, consult.
"good old rock, nothing beats rock!"
Howzabout very sharp scissors?
Apone reading the following material drop in water to destory.
hehe :)
"The latest RC has passed QA and gone gold paper!"
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
Someone beat you to it back in the 80's.
Mail? Put "slashdot" in the subject to pass the spam filters.
no further comment really except i suppose we've come full circle now!
What everyone seems to be missing is that these discs are good for printing on - much easier, cheaper, and better looking than current "printable" DVDs/CDs.
That is the real benefit in my opinion.
Natural != (nontoxic || beneficial)
And the suspect tosses 4000gb of disgusting kiddy sickness into a 2hp shredder. Bzzzzzzzzzt!!
DA: Sorry your honor, we have no evidence on this slime except paper shreds.
Judge: Case dismissed...
I think this may end up being a bad idea.
Last year my 30 year old daughter informed me of how much data a 7th grade student could put on the six sides of a new yellow pencil. From a few feet away it looks like it has been chewed on so the teacher asks no questions. Use only three sides and it even stays hidden when you put the pencil down.
If IBM had been able to use this technology, no telling how much data they could have put on paper disks! About 2 gigs along the edge even.
lessee here, let me get out the trusty pencil...
.5 cm, or .1 m * .005 m = .0005 m^2
.0005 m^2 = 25 e 9 bytes / x m^2
quick experimentation shows I can get ~5 bytes into 10cm x
5 bytes /
10,000 bytes/m^2, 25 e 9 bytes -> 25e5 = 2.5 e6
2.5 million square meters.
No Problem! Disk access takes a while tho.
This comment lost a score point in going to the next higher level. I don't understand!
You know that some joke company will come out with Flash paper-based discs.
Personally? I can't wait until some sucker asks if they can borrow a Paper-Rom (or whatever we'll term them), and he hears a "Whumf!" coming from his drive after he starts trying to burn something to it.
The present CDs are very close to 1.1 mm thick, although I do have one that is close to 1.5-mm thick. THe diameter of a thick black hair is about 0.11-mm and that of a blond (natural) is about 0.08-mm. When I pick up a (0.12 x 0.050)-mm particle (I work with those) I cannot tell which side of the tweezers if sticks to, and my tweezers are needle sharp.
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We can do SO MUCH with this. We just need an open standard for the way computers read the data from a scanned page.
IMAGINE: You could put this on business cards, with your PGP key, your contact information, everything on it.
You could make it so that you could make fliers, with large letters, readible by humans, viewable from a distance.
But inside the "gigantic" letters (say, 24pt letters), you could have encoded a bunch of computer readable data..!
So someone could take the flier, and then scan it, and then there would be all this semantic information that the computer could read as well!
So, you get directions to something, and embedded in the human instructions themselves, are the computer interpretation information..!
You could do ALL SORTS of stuff with this..!
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If they do this right, they could set up the reader to support lower resolutions of data as well. That would allow for very cheap consumer level printers (and cheaper mass production) and disks Blu-Ray-DVD-Rs that could still play back on devices. Also, lower resolutions would presumably be more durable since it would take more to destroy a bigger dot.
Well, I was all for some of the other technologies out there, but this sounds pretty darn good. Here's hoping they update the DVD protocol to support everything they should have supported in the original:
- arbitrary data (XML based) and arbitrary code (interpreted?) to allow for functions and services not invented yet. Possibly doing away with the current structure entirely such that players provide the ability to decode and render the main types of data and run code for everything else. Among other things, this would allow for highly customized menus, widgets, and popups. Of course you would probably want a default interaction.
- Unicode-based text tracks with embedded fonts in full color (preferably keeping the timing and typesetting and animated positioning data separate), sprites and secondary video tracks for more complex additions (censoring, sign replacement, etc.)
- the ability to use online services to extend disk function, or allowing small programs/files to use data on the disk, which is particularly useful for letting people write their own subtitle tracks for the disk - or even automatic machine translations of the native one.
- the ability to read, record, and erase small amounts of data to the disk itself, allowing for settings to be saved. Specifically, things like activation codes, saved games, and when the disk was last stopped. In other words, doing away with the need for memory cards. Authentication services would probably be necessary for this.
- Better provisions for direct use by computers, a directory structure and file format that makes sense, just because. I'd like for it to be such that each section can be separately copied and played but fair use goes against the business model doesn't it?
- Single releases meant for a world market, with broad language support, no region coding, and low prices. Also, smarter players that choose the default settings you want (like native audio plus subtitles, except when audio is in english).
---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?
But what if when you burn the CD, you burn the CD?!
- self healing DVD-RWs: having many Reed-Solomon code based parity blocks of for arbitrary data recovery and error detection (a parchive, allowing the player to find and compensate for errors in the disk media on the fly, possibly even repairing them in the process.
---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?
It's called photographic paper.
Can I use my sharpie on it?
Wow, just wait till the shrink that down to something like....toilet paper....errr...ya. Then again, it would be nice to make a backup of SCO software and wipe my ass with it.
Life is not for the lazy.
"dog ate my hard drive"
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
"I have a new computer with one of those new Paper-ROMS and it seems to be acting up"
'What do you mean?'
"I went to staples and picked up some computer paper and cut it into a disk shape and put it in and now there is a burning smell coming from the drive"
And all this time I've been recycling STORAGE SPACE! ARGH!
Hands off my 3-ring binder, that's my new RAID controller. If I doodle in the margins, am I considered a hacker?
Blog,Twitter
more like AOL toilet paper
If a job's not worth doing, it's not worth doing right.
ah, but the hackers(in the true sense of the word, not script kiddies) always win. it just seems that nothing like that ever works for very long before somebody cracks it. decss, daemon tools, linux on xbox, etc. i will admit that the tech to get dvds to not line out to vcrs is very cool and sofar as i know has prevented low-tech copying of dvds in that manner.
use your turn signal! you people act like it's divulging information to the enemy
but it doesn't record to paper plates
My wording could have been more clear. The 1541 ACTED like it formatted a paper plate. You'd have to cut the plate, or other piece of cardboard to size, place it in the drive, and then run the format operation. This would proceed and conclude with no error message. This does not mean that the resulting paper disc was ready for Commodore data storage!
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
The smaller (physically) and the bigger (data capacity) that magnetic media gets, the harder it is to destroy (by magnetic field). ....until you get ultra-tiny media that is nearly impervious. I think I have one of those 33-gig Hitachi bean-drives around here somewhere... Hold on a sec....
Damn, I think it rolled into that crack in the floorboard.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Please visit the Paper Talk wiki to organize around making Open standards and implementations of this sort of technology, or just to watch.
A digital camera can be a scanner, and automatically pull out digital information.
You can encode computer data inside of big letters, readable by humans.
You can do a lot with this technology.
Those Rastafarians will have a hard time keeping their data safe when they run out of zig zags.
Which would still be susceptible to moisture wicking and bloating.
Microsoft Office has been succeptible to bloat for many years now. This wicking thing, that will be a new phenomemon.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Yomiko Readman will no doubt benefit from this invention. Now she can use disk drives as weapons in addition to books!
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
On an 8.5x11 page, you really don't want to print all the way to the edge. The registration is too difficult (down to 1/300 inch). Plus, edges get more easily damaged. Additionally, you'd like reference marks that a scanner would use to determine alignment.
:)
Of course, I know this all academic anyhow.
So how many LoC's is the LoC, if we count using the paper in the LoC like this? That's a lot of info...
And then, once we try to run away with "stolen" paper discs, the electric hound will come after us, right?
ZX2C4
Wrong, paper does not kick rock. Paper wraps rock, rock smash scissors, scissors cut up paper.
No point in asking why you had 75+ copies of Gigli, is there? (much less why you chose to shred them).
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
"They're very GOOD scissors..."
or will you need to use "white-out"?
(or will an eraser work too?)
Now I'll be able to do something useful with the AOL cds. Wipe my butt!!
what KIND of paper? There are thousands...some are made of synthetic materials, too.
At the rate things are going, however, we're likely to run out of both at about the same time.
With trees, there's also the factor that forests are a good deal more than just trees, and trees do more than just stand there (like oil generally does). Problem is that nobody ever managed to put a price on oxygen manufacturing, pollution abatement, flood/drought/weather moderation or many of the other things that forests do.
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
..against AOL for "dumping" product on the market. ;)
The dog ate my paper disc!!!
The more things change, the more they stay the same...
Thank you for your sincere, well-intentioned advice. If I had known that you were a licensed psychotherapist as well as a RPG developer, I would never have deigned to "defend my ego" from an obviously astute critique of my signature line. My response to your obviously correct criticism (after all, your ad hominem argument MUST prove that you were initially correct, as all such arguments do), was completely unnecessary.
In addtion, I would probably have *never* been able to understand my lack of "sincere friends" without your probing analysis. Please contine to bless the world with your deep insight into irony and its consequences and accept my sincerest apologies.
I offer a complete retraction of any statements you may have found incorrect or offensive in any way.
P.S. Should we actually meet and talk sometime so that when you offer insight into my personality, you won't have to talk exclusively out of your ass?
Yes, because we need to evaluate new technology on the possibility of it empowering criminals rather than the massive amount of good it could do.
I would do that with the AOL cd's if they were on paper.
What is PD linux, you ask?
It is Paper Disk linux.
Why is it so special...
It is a roll your own distro.
Bah-dum ching!!
Have you read the moderator guidelines? Well, have you, PUNK? (and I want a Karma: Gnarly option)
Soo... can I now back up 25 GB in 4 seconds using the nearest Kinkos or Xerox?
(50 GB in double-sided mode)
HSHS!
Paper Storage!? Now there's an idea that won't hold water.
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Mobius tape. A whole 85kb. Which was huge at the time. Tasword could only handle about 10k-20k at a time.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
The technology required to burn these things is rather bulky and expensive.
Sorry, but Vestax have devised a rather cheap, portable, and excellent vinyl cutter to duplicate this newfangled analog vinyl technology of which you speak.
Da Blog
AOL cd's on paper?!?!?! My gawd the power they would have! THE MASSES THEY WOULD CREATE! But I bet they'd be much easier to burn (No sick pun intended)
...I thought I'd join in on it to ask another technical question:
What's the point?
No, really? What is the point? How is this better than existing disks? The article mentions easier labeling, that it's scissorable, and some vagueness about a higher information-to-raw-material ratio.
As far as I ever knew, labeling has never yet been a problem.
You can cut it with scissors? So what. There are plenty of easy wasy to destroy regular disks.
That ratio? Um...I'm supposed to care WHY?
Am I just missing something basic here?
"A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
What archive?
Those storage papers man.
Oh yeah, those papers. I smoked them!
I wonder how many lil name-on-rice street-vendors they use in their manufacturing facility.
<emeril> I don't know where you get your punch cards, but where I get mine, they don't come with 25GB on 'em! </emeril>
Downmodding is the refuge of the weak. Don't downmod, make a better argument!
Remember our old friend DRM? Now DVD stores can make DRM'd DVDs, which only work once, and which also don't pollute the environment.
You would probably remember the original complaint about the single-use DVDs coming from the environmental groups, about the waste of unrecyclable plastic.
Well, now your single-use disk can be thrown in the recycling bin and become something else, which is awesome.
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
Couldn't we do this already, by simply making the bottom half of a DVD out of paper?
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
When a disk has expired or otherwise found in violation of the IP license. Your new optical drive will ramp the disc up to full speed and engage a spurred wheel which will be run back and forth over the disk surface. Upon completion the now destroyed disk will eject.
On the down side, your drive will occasionally start wheezing until it coughs up a paper hairball.
Sombody mod that one up. That is the best unintended I have seen in ages.
Co-worker: Hey, who left this paper scrap of trash on the floor?
*Crumple*
Me: You stupid ass! You have just destroyed my entire life's collection of pr0n!
Paper is meant to be crumpled. Dear God, don't turn my lifelong quest of destroying paper and typing it into digital form against me!
Another "archival media" that can be destroyed by crumpling it up...
First it was eight-inch floppies that became worthless if you bent them, then it was CDs that become worthless if they get a fingerprint on them, now this.
Anybody with any brains out there that can make an archival media with large storage, high speed, and Superman's invulnerability?
Geek Morons! Jesus Baron von Christ!
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
2880dpi is the square root of 2880, (assuming both height and width had the same # of dots) which would be 53.66563145999496, hardly feasible. However, 48*60 also equals 2880dpi, which is much more feasible.
Width*Height=Area so: 46*60=2880
Also, 7 color != 7 bit. If you include white, you get 8 color, which would be 3 bit. [ 100 == 8 ] However in the calculation 8 is correct because each dot represents 8 values.
To finish the calculation,
2880dpi * 93.5 sq in [in an 8.5" X 11"] * 8 colors = 2154240 bits
2154240 bits / 8 = 269280 bytes
So, 269,280 kilobytes is all that fits on one side of a sheet of paper.
I'm thinking only one thing. paper jam. zeb
http://www.zebpalmer.com
So instead of AOL coasters we'll now be receiving AOL kleenex?
more like AOL toilet paper
Or you can get a cross-cut shredder and have AOL confetti.
Windows is as solid as quicksand.
Paperless office. :).
Cowboy shoots Bear. ;-)
Bear eats Ninja.
Ninja uses his mad kung fu skills to block Cowboy's bullets and kick his ass
-- My signature is my passport. Verify me.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
..that now when we get a buffer underrun when we're burning these paper disks that we now have the option of recycling, or rolling our favorite tobacco, or tobacco-like product so we can really "BURN" a disc?....lol Or we'll hear things like, "No really, my dog really did eat my homework, it was on disc."
Who cares about the ozone layer?...thanks to CFC's I can write my name......IN CHEESE!!!
You're right. I have one of those in my 5.25" drive bay in my tower. It really is compact.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Elephants??
...and he grinned, like a fox eating shit out of a wire brush.
dead horses flying and beating me up.
A variation on this theme would be that the problem of disposing of worn-out paper AOL CDs will be worse than the problem of disposing of worn-out automobile tires! I can see it now: "Yet another paper-AOL-CD dump has erupted in flames. More at 11!"
buy a TV with RCA out and you can tape DVDs just fine ;-)
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