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William Shatner to Star in New Reality TV Series

Gildor writes "The small town of Riverside, Iowa has long billed itself as the birthplace of James T. Kirk. So they were thrilled when William Shatner came there to film a Star Trek prequel about the early life of Kirk. Except there was no movie. After about 9 days, Shatner announced they were actually filming a reality TV mini-series."

271 comments

  1. Too much reality tv by benna · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When are people going to stop allowing the networks to shove this filth down their throats?

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    1. Re:Too much reality tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      benna, You're Fired!(tm)

    2. Re:Too much reality tv by sgant · · Score: 4, Funny

      But Shatner is already in a series...Boston Law or whatever it's called now. Comes on tonight on ABC, check local listings.

      No, it's not that TJ Hooker hung up his gun and became a lawyer either...though that might be interesting.

      Shatner won an Emmy last year...yeah, hard to belive. The Emmy's are still kind of sort of legit (please insert indignation about what show you loved that didn't get nominated) but at least they're not like the "Throw-in-every-catagory
      there-is-so-everyone-get s-an-award-no-matter-what" that is the Grammys. If you put out a record, you get a Grammy.

      Ok, I have NO idea how I drove the topic right into a ditch...what were we talking about again?

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    3. Re:Too much reality tv by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 3, Funny

      When are people going to stop allowing the networks to shove this filth down their throats?

      Yeah. Better get all those millions of people who enjoy reality tv to write in and tell the networks to stop broadcasting what they want to watch. dammit.

    4. Re:Too much reality tv by iamcf13 · · Score: 1

      When are people going to stop allowing the networks to shove this filth down their throats?


      Won't hapen. Reality TV shows are cheap to make and are (usually) profitable. Just look at the success of the TV shows COPS, Survivor and it's coincidental big-screen 'offspring' Cast Away (2000).

      Well anyway, I think the reason why Reality TV is so popular is due to the part of a vicarious desire to either live life in a manner depicted on the reality show (The Osbournes ) or see how 'the other half lives'. The current crop of Reality TV shows probably owe their existence to the long-running MTV Reality TV show The Real World.
    5. Re:Too much reality tv by nuclear305 · · Score: 1

      "When are people going to stop allowing the networks to shove this filth down their throats?"

      Answer: When it stops making money. Networks don't make shows to entertain us...they make shows that make money for them.

      The sad thing is, even those that hate this kind of programming will likely still watch it out of curiosity...which keeps the ratings up.

    6. Re:Too much reality tv by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      There's one way to get this kind of TV production to stop even if there is ratings... get executive producer Rhett Reese arrested on fraud charges.

    7. Re:Too much reality tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When are people going to stop allowing the networks to shove this filth down their throats?

      You mean like, All Bran?

    8. Re:Too much reality tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      William Shatner took the Challenge and said: I Felt Really Good.

      Wow, he's really giving the product the hard sell.

    9. Re:Too much reality tv by rootofevil · · Score: 1

      perfect shaun of the dead quote:

      "ill do it when you stop laughing"

      ie, when people come around and see it your way itll stop. until the ratings drop, however, its all about the time slot, and the benjamins.

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    10. Re:Too much reality tv by istewart · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, chances are it'll still be better than Enterprise.

    11. Re:Too much reality tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've allowed it for 70 years, why would they stop now?

    12. Re:Too much reality tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had exactly the same thought

    13. Re:Too much reality tv by jaaron · · Score: 1

      When are people going to stop allowing the networks to shove this filth down their throats?

      When the viewers realize that they are not the customers of the networks, they are the products of the networks to be sold to the advertisers. Take a look back at Rusty's article on kuro5hin from 2002.

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    14. Re:Too much reality tv by barks · · Score: 1

      When are people going to stop allowing the networks to shove this filth down their throats?

      I have to say I love how SpikeTV does their reality shows as it sort of pokes fun at the whole reality TV genre (i.e. the 1st Joe Shmoe). From the sounds of this show they're doing it again by taking how the effects of Hollywood on people are amusing as well.

      I suppose not everyone has the sense of humour to see why these sorts of phony situations are hilarious. As long as the show pokes fun at themselves and the joke is really on those that buy it....well then I don't mind. It's when I hear about these Bachelor-style horsecrap shows that're suppose to be serious.

    15. Re:Too much reality tv by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "When are people going to stop allowing the networks to shove this filth down their throats?"

      Uh, how exactly are they 'shoving', as opposed to simply providing?

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    16. Re:Too much reality tv by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I choose not to smoke.
      I choose not to snort cocaine.
      I choose not to watch TV.

      Why do you give a shit what I choose? Feel free to fuck off and mind your own business.

    17. Re:Too much reality tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll have to agree with you on this. The reason why SpikeTV came up with the Joe Schmo show is to parody other reality shows. It's one of the more well thought-off series. And judging from the reality tv message boards, well-loved as well. Except for the ratings, but that's another story.

    18. Re:Too much reality tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno.

      This is exactly the kind of crap I will *NOT* watch--Dr. Phil, Wife Swap, Trading Spouses, Amish in the City, etc.

      Each new show encourages me to watch less and less TV.

      It's not helping when they put those damned LDS conferences on the local stations all morning, too. Just seeing those come on makes me want to dropkick the TV out the window about as much as the rest of that "reality" crap...

      Rest assured that I was on the Internet within minutes, registering my disgust throughout the world.

    19. Re:Too much reality tv by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      But what ISN'T reality TV these days?

    20. Re:Too much reality tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The news?

    21. Re:Too much reality tv by vrai · · Score: 1
      Yeah. Better get all those millions of people who enjoy reality tv to write in and tell the networks to stop broadcasting what they want to watch. dammit.

      Slight problem with your plan; it's very unlikely that people who enjoy reality TV possesses any degree of literacy. In addition, such people do not watch TV shows because they enjoy them, but because the commercials told them to.

    22. Re:Too much reality tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's very unlikely that people who enjoy reality TV possesses any degree of literacy

      YOUR RIGHT!!! theY ARE TEH SUCK BECUZ US coMPUTER TYPPES ARE THE BESST WRITTERS

    23. Re:Too much reality tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds funny to me. Shatner has a good sense of humor. Personally I think reality television is much better than situational comedies.

    24. Re:Too much reality tv by ChodaBoy · · Score: 1

      ...at least they're not like the "Throw-in-every-catagory...

      They're not? Then how why do they have a reality tv category? Why do they have "Daytime" Emmys?

      Face it, the Emmys are just as bad as the Oscars, et al., a useless award show for self-important people to strut about while someone else strokes their ego for a bit.

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    25. Re:Too much reality tv by Austin+Milbarge · · Score: 1

      I agree with you however, look at how much new educational stuff is on cable now.

      Discovery Channel
      Discovery Civilization
      Discovery Health
      Discovery Home & Leisure
      Discovery Kids
      Discovery Science
      Discovery Wings
      Tech TV
      Ecology Channel
      Food Network
      Biography Channel
      Black Entertainment Television (BET) ...

      Don't like it? Just flip the channel.

  2. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kahhhhhhhhnnnnnnn

    1. Re:Obligatory by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's Khan. As in "KHAAAN!"

    2. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....... or maybe "Khan'd"?

    3. Re:Obligatory by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Maybe Mr. AC is all worked up about the hotdog that violently disagreed with him.

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    4. Re:Obligatory by quantaman · · Score: 3, Funny

      NITPIIIIIIIIICK!!!!!!!!!

      (yeah I agree with you but it was just too tempting)

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  3. Star... Wars? by emazing · · Score: 2, Funny

    Did anyone else read: "William Shatner to Star in New Star Wars Reality TV Series." I was about to say..

  4. A new low for Shatner by Nehi+the+Ganchark · · Score: 1, Funny

    DeForest Kelly must be rolling in his grave...

    1. Re:A new low for Shatner by Chicane-UK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I got a better one for you.. Shatner is starring in some TV commercials for breakfast cereal here at the minute.

      I could barely believe it when one came on this evening..

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    2. Re:A new low for Shatner by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      Yes, it was for Kellogs Bran flakes, I was waiting for the punch line as well but it never came, i think it was Shatners first serious role, gobsmacked i was, BAFTA he should earn i say!

    3. Re:A new low for Shatner by TimothyTimothyTimoth · · Score: 1

      I love the bit where he takes that suspiciously personal looking leopard skin garment she is ironing/folding, and tucks it under his arm with a: "Why thank you, Anne!"

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    4. Re:A new low for Shatner by mlmurray · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Much as I loved Deforest Kelly, I doubt he's rolling in his grave.

      Don't forget, Mr. Kelly had a role in "Night of the Lepus" - a film about mutated giant Bunny Rabbits!!

      DeForest was obviously a little desparate for work after the original series.

    5. Re:A new low for Shatner by Nehi+the+Ganchark · · Score: 0

      Hey, I like awful B-Movies... so my statement was probably biased. I don't think DeForest ever had a bad toupeé, though...

    6. Re:A new low for Shatner by jfandre · · Score: 0

      I live about 20 miles away from there. The sad part was that the locals put a lot of their own time and money into promoting Shatner and his Capt Kirk character, and this is the thanks they get.

    7. Re:A new low for Shatner by iammrjvo · · Score: 1


      No kidding. What a jerk.

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    8. Re:A new low for Shatner by mlmurray · · Score: 1

      Even more interestingly, Janet Leigh was also in this gem...

      She died yesterday.

  5. cross fingers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...and hope he doesn't sing in it or there will be an outbreak of ear bleeding and insanity.

    1. Re:cross fingers... by monk · · Score: 1

      ...and hope he doesn't sing in it or there will be an outbreak of ear bleeding and insanity.
      You think that's bad? How about this? Regis sings!

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    2. Re:cross fingers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IMO his cover of Pulp's Common People that came out recently is pretty cool.

    3. Re:cross fingers... by catellie · · Score: 1

      I think you are thinking of the results of reciting poetry - you'll have to wait for the H2G2 film, or perhaps Shatner has some Vogon friends? ;-)

  6. Born in Iowa? by Narmi · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought he was Canadian.

    1. Re:Born in Iowa? by Evangelion · · Score: 5, Informative

      Kirk was born in Iowa, not Shatner.

      Jeez, geeks these days just aren't what they used to be...

    2. Re:Born in Iowa? by PepsiProgrammer · · Score: 1

      The fictional character of kirk is to be born in iowa, not shatner himself.

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    3. Re:Born in Iowa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah but does it say anywhere that Iowa won't be part of Canada around the time of Kirk's birth? :-P

    4. Re:Born in Iowa? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      gawd, its one thing when posters don't bother reading the article, but when they don't read the original post what have we come to?!!

      for the very, very lazy:
      The small town of Riverside, Iowa has long billed itself as the birthplace of James T. Kirk. So they were thrilled when William Shatner came there to film a Star Trek prequel about the early life of Kirk.

    5. Re:Born in Iowa? by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      Yet another reason I prefer Stargate SG-1 over any Star Trek series. Both Richard Dean Anderson the actor and Coloner Jack O'Neill the character are from Minnesota (they also both like The Simpsons, which is very funny if you think about it) :-P

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    6. Re:Born in Iowa? by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 1


      Ah but does it say anywhere that Iowa won't be part of Canada around the time of Kirk's birth? :-P

      If all goes to plan, it will.

    7. Re:Born in Iowa? by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      You must not have seen the "lowdown" and other specials about the series... ;-]

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    8. Re:Born in Iowa? by niko9 · · Score: 1

      Tell me about it, they're all IDE and no SCSI!

    9. Re:Born in Iowa? by madfgurtbn · · Score: 1

      The small town of Riverside, Iowa has long billed itself as the birthplace of James T. Kirk.

      Be sure to clear your calendars for the Riverside Trekfest always held the last Saturday in June! Party in the future birthplace of Capt. James T. Kirk!

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  7. reality? by lawngnome · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um, Id perfer to get my scifi without any reality at all. Perhaps a show about space cops saving kittens or something like that. We need more programming that allows celebs to go freakin crazy...

    1. Re:reality? by DragonMagic · · Score: 1
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  8. So? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Based on the Shatner name this is News for Nerds? It certainly can't be Stuff that matters!

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    1. Re:So? by antiMStroll · · Score: 1

      If I were you I'ld be checking my brake lines before driving home tonight.

    2. Re:So? by pigscanfly.ca · · Score: 1

      I think theres an implied or in the slashdot title
      "news for Nerds" or "stuff that matters" :-)

    3. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's neither.
      Welcome to bashhack, leave your brain at the door.

      (And now to get modded +5, My Idol)
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  9. shitener by s4m7 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I've never seen any celebrity with so much contempt for the fanbase that made him famous as Shatner. It's pretty friggin funny though.

    I wonder where the guy is who's sitting around thinking "you know what our fall lineup needs? another reality show!"

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    1. Re:shitener by Kardnal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You obviously haven't seen Spike TV's Joe Schmoe, or Joe Schmoe II They're not 'real' reality TV shows. They're set up so that most of the 'stars' of the show are actually actors. There are one or two people on the show who have no idea they compatriots are actually actors, and assume they're just regular people on a reality show like they are. I have a feeling this is going to wind up be Joe Schmoe III. The first two Joe Schmoe's were hilarious, and well written. Defiantely worth checking out (though I haven't been able to find them on BitTorrent)

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    2. Re:shitener by forkboy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      That's because his fanbase is a wad of pedantic, overbearing, irritating nerds. And have you ever SMELLED a trek convention? Yeesh.

      As for reality TV, those of us with an IQ >= 100 find them inane and pointless, but that still leaves over half the country drooling for them. They're great for networks because they dont have to pay for writers or actors.

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    3. Re:shitener by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh, that's not really fair. Have you read his "Get a Life"? Contempt is the last word I would use to describe his feelings towards his fans. (The book title is mocking his (in)famous joke on SNL, btw.)

    4. Re:shitener by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      That's nothing, there's a new reality show called "Drawn Together" that's, get this, animated!

      It's so funny what they can lump under the rubric "reality" these days. Obviously it's not real if it's animated, but it's billed as "real"ity. That's so funny I've already programmed my ReplayTV (not as cool as saying "I'm tivoing it"; oh well, I chose wrong 5 years ago, but at least it's lasted this long!).

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    5. Re:shitener by forkboy · · Score: 1

      $0.01 to the first person who correctly guesses whether it was the treknerds or reality show fans that modded me down. buahaha, do your worst nerds, I have karma to burn.

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    6. Re:shitener by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I liked the bit where they said they invented this "soap opera" bit where Shatnere acted like a jerk to all his co-stars.

      Yeah, must have taken them ages to invent that little "fiction".

    7. Re:shitener by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      You actually read his book? I bow to your higher geekiness.

      Were you listening to "Mr. Tambourine Man" at the same time, only breaking to hear "If I Had A Hammer" whenever he mentioned Leonard Nimoy?

      I liked Star Trek, too, but to read the book? Oh, man, you've got me beat.

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  10. predicting the future by ilikeitraw · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should team Shatner up with Hasslehoff.
    A Space / Beach setting with the Olsen twins thrown in as well... with a reality twist maybe ?
    Money baby... money.

    1. Re:predicting the future by Alkivar · · Score: 1

      now that really is a "surreal life"

    2. Re:predicting the future by barks · · Score: 1

      Damn!!!! That's really is a good idea.....the Olsen twins might not be realistic....but that Hasslehoff and Shatner would sell, so long as there was KITT in it.

    3. Re:predicting the future by coopaq · · Score: 1
      They should team Shatner up with Hasslehoff.

      That be more horrible than Shatner starring in the re-release of goatse.cx!!!

  11. I...Can't...Wait... by vwjeff · · Score: 1

    I....can...not.....wait...to..see.this..new....sho w.

    1. Re:I...Can't...Wait... by shirai · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you're gonna make fun of his speaking rhythm, do it right.

      I... cannot... wait... to see... this... new show.

      He doesn't break at every single word. It's more like 1 syllable, 2 syllable, 1 syllable, 2 syllable... ;)

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    2. Re:I...Can't...Wait... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tannoy: Captain Kirk, this is Big Brother.

      You have been voted off the Big Brother starship, please collect your belongings and beam down to the surface immediately.

      Kirk: DEVINNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

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  12. Let me guess... by XanC · · Score: 0
    You're from outer space.

    Kirk: No, I'm from Iowa; I only work in outer space.

  13. When people stop watching them? by brunes69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The networks are out to make money, not be your friend. They wouldn't be airing reality TV if they didnt make money at it.

    However, the profit margins on a reality TV show are MUCH higher. They don't have to pay expensive actors, they don't have to build or maintain sets, they don't need to hire extras from the screen actors guild, etc. They can even usually do product placements *on* the shows to make more money.

    Then you have shows like American Idol - not only is the show cheap, but afterwards, they have an artist that is guaranteed to sell at least a few records - and they don't have to spend any money promoting them!

    The marketers that convinced the masses to watch these shows are pure genius. And the networks are laughing all the way to the bank.

    1. Re:When people stop watching them? by benna · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats why I want people to stop allowing this shit to be shoved down their throats...I know its the people that watch who are at fault.

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    2. Re:When people stop watching them? by Nehi+the+Ganchark · · Score: 5, Funny

      "They don't have to pay expensive actors..." Can I assume that is why they called Shatner?

    3. Re:When people stop watching them? by LemonFire · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thats why I want people to stop allowing this shit to be shoved down their throats...I know its the people that watch who are at fault.

      I agree totally with this statement.
      I really miss the quality TV programming we had about five years ago, it was so much more enriching and educational.

    4. Re:When people stop watching them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care what the networks want to make, but it's refreshing to see all the shows that have crews building houses for people, or in situations like this, where $100K is being given to the town, or $12k to the library.

      I'm sure many of you will say I'm just being suckerred in, but frankly, I don't care.

    5. Re:When people stop watching them? by antiMStroll · · Score: 1

      You could also argue it's closer to their mandate when granted a broadcast license. Though the situations are artificial the parcipants aren't, they're not actors. Even a gem like Elimidate closer reflects daily living than decades of daytime soaps.

    6. Re:When people stop watching them? by darth_linux · · Score: 1

      so you're saying it goes: 1) exploit the public 2) put it on TV 3) profit I have to admit I'm becoming skeptical about the quantity of "reality" in modern reality TV....

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    7. Re:When people stop watching them? by TheGavster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's one actor. Most shows go with a much cheaper star, but even with Shatner on there the whole season probably costs about as much as an episode of Friends.

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    8. Re:When people stop watching them? by Nyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you are the one missing the point, benna. People watch it because they enjoy it. You do NOT obviously enjoy it, so I assume you do not watch it. If people didn't watch the show, they wouldn't make it, or if they did make it, wouldn't make money off of it (because networks wouldn't show it if they get too many complaints). That how tv works.

      But crying about peoples bad taste, and trying to tell others not to watch it because YOU don't watch it is lame and selfish.

      I personally don't watch much reality shows because I think they are stupid. So I watch other things on TV. Very simple, I just change the channel.

      Everyone has different taste, the networks try to make money by showing stuff the appeals to some majority of people ('cept niche channels, like food, so on). They cannot please everyone all the time. hell, they can't please most people most the time. That's why there is feedback and Nelson ratings and so on.

      So it's very simple, you don't like a show, don't watch it, complain to the network hosting the show, complain to the company producing the show.

      But DO NOT try to blame people for watching the show. People are allowed to watch what they want, even if you do NOT like it. I know it hurts to hear that the world does no evolve around you, but it's true. I'm sorry.

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    9. Re:When people stop watching them? by PowerEdge · · Score: 1

      I pretty much only watch The Wire, for TV programs. Of course is it TV? Or is it HBO?

    10. Re:When people stop watching them? by benna · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Through my complaints about peoples tastes im really complaining about the state of our culture. It really says alot about our culture that people watch these shows.

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    11. Re:When people stop watching them? by hai.uchida · · Score: 3, Insightful

      However, the profit margins on a reality TV show are MUCH higher. They don't have to pay expensive actors, they don't have to build or maintain sets, they don't need to hire extras from the screen actors guild, etc. They can even usually do product placements *on* the shows to make more money.

      You are right, but one thing I would add is that the networks are really sealing their own doom by moving to reality TV. They're going after the ratings and profit right now without creating new shows that could potentially live forever in syndication-- and that, along with DVDs, merchandising and whatever on-demand system may evolve in the future, is where the real profit is... As well as the love of the viewers.

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    12. Re:When people stop watching them? by packeteer · · Score: 1

      Yah i totally agree... KCTS (the local public station for seattle) had been having money troubles and they were MUCH better 5 years ago. Im sure thats what you meant right?

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    13. Re:When people stop watching them? by mikael · · Score: 1

      I really miss the quality TV programming we had about five years ago, it was so much more enriching and educational.

      The problem is the explosive growth in the number of satellite/cable channels. For every new channel, there are fewer viewers to go around each channel. For every new cable channel that appears, another two will merge or go off the air.

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    14. Re:When people stop watching them? by Thing+1 · · Score: 4, Funny
      That's why there is feedback and Nelson ratings and so on.

      For your typo: " Ha -ha!"

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    15. Re:When people stop watching them? by jpop32 · · Score: 1

      People are allowed to watch what they want, even if you do NOT like it.

      Nope, people are allowed to watch what the networks feed them. They think that they want to watch it simply because it's there and there's nothing else on. Look up 'prolefeed'.

    16. Re:When people stop watching them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      667 neighbor of the beast

    17. Re:When people stop watching them? by Xaria · · Score: 1

      I have to agree here. In Australia they recently did a show where they built a "fairy garden" for a little girl who is seriously ill. It was beautiful, and quite frankly I couldn't care less about the product placement. More of this, thanks!

      That said, all those Survivor-type shows and these new "Swapping spouses" shows just bug me.

    18. Re:When people stop watching them? by Babbster · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It may say something about "our culture" (I'm unsure if you mean Americans or the world - the "reality show" trend started elsewhere in the world, of course) but it's not saying anything new. Tabloids, for example, have sold for years upon years. Tacky TV has been going on for a long time as well - 60 Minutes has been popular for a long, long time, and has done some pretty shoddy journalism at times, like Mike Wallace's confrontational ambush interviews.

      It just so happens that TV networks had quite a bit of trouble with their writers in the years before the reality TV explosion, which threatened to shut down their entertainment programming. This, along with the popularity of the reality TV style overseas, made the environment ripe for a change. And, I know it'll be hard to accept, but some of the reality shows are indeed entertaining, and not just to the lowest common denominator. A compelling situation is no less so just because it hasn't been fictionalized and filtered through a writer's word processor. True, some of it is garbage, but when someone loses a 1/10 chance to win a million dollars based on an interview by three second-graders, that can be pretty interesting (and hilarious) - I watched some Benefactor because of Monday Night Football...they got me on that one. :)

      I consistently watch about two hours of primetime network TV (apart from football) per week these days. Most of the current programming doesn't do anything for me, either - but, then again, I attribute that to the hack sitcoms more than to reality shows. If I were forced to choose between Survivor (which I don't watch) and Everybody Loves Raymond (which I don't watch), I'd end up seeing a torch ceremony.

      Oh yeah, and your clarification was pretty weak. Complaints about the "culture" are just complaints about people's tastes in a pseudointellectual disguise.

    19. Re:When people stop watching them? by freakmn · · Score: 1

      My address is 665, and across the street is a retirement home...

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    20. Re:When people stop watching them? by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Reminds me what a friend of mine (salesman, no coincidence), would say: "People don't know what they want until they see what's being sold to them".

    21. Re:When people stop watching them? by JudgeFurious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So true. I personally won't spend any time whatsoever watching anything even remotely close to "reality television". I'm well aware that one viewer isn't going to make much difference of course. I just can't bring myself to watch any of it.

      My wife was watching one of them for a while. I don't know which one it was (or care) but when she asked me why I would leave the room when she turned it on I asked her if she liked all of the new reality shows that were coming out. The answer was "Well, no but this one....".

      If you're watching one of these things (any of them) then you're part of the problem IMO. She complains of course when scripted shows she likes are cancelled and replaced with "Who wants to be a Bartender and choose from 40 single models who thinik you're worth a billion dollars and working for Donald Trump on an island with two tribes of golddiggers" but still I can see her getting slowly suckered in.

      Television before "Reality TV" was pretty bad but it was better than this. Not much better but at least a little.

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    22. Re:When people stop watching them? by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      One thing the networks don't realize is that they've given proof positive that you can produce a popular show on a shoestring budget. Mark my words, some enterprising college kids are going to clue into this fact and start selling their own 'reality show' over the internet, making their money off the advertising revenue their site will bring in. And this show won't be subject to any of the restrictions that regular network TV has to abide by.

      If there's one thing that would sell better than the current crop of reality shows on TV, it's a reality show that doesn't have to play by the rules. The TV execs have unwittingly paved the way for future competitive ventures.

      Can't wait to see what they do when this happens. Perhaps buy some Congressmen and ban internet shows?

      Max

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    23. Re:When people stop watching them? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      Wrong again benna. It really says a lot about you being ignorant and close minded.

      No matter how you rephrase it, you still convey a message of "its crap because I don't like it". If you think about it peoples tastes dictate the state of our culture, and the majority of people have decided that reality tv is a good thing (for now).

      So who is right in this situation? You or the popular vote?

      Now, I personally hate reality tv as well, but the difference between you and me is that I don't go around judging people for the shows they watch, I just changed the channel.

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    24. Re:When people stop watching them? by shfted! · · Score: 1

      My faces is turning to horror realising he might put out another album...

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    25. Re:When people stop watching them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'm unsure if you mean Americans or the world - the "reality show" trend started elsewhere in the world, of course
      That's simply not true. The reality show a spin off of Star Trek (it's about Kirk after all) and Star Trek is definately American in origin.
    26. Re:When people stop watching them? by BlueTooth · · Score: 1

      Its still something that can lead to a diminished state of affairs. If the show costs 1/10 the money to produce (the mini series in the article cost $1 million for the whole series... compare at millions per episode of some shows), the network doesn't need as many people to like it. Spend 1/10 as much, make 1/2 as much, you're still getting a better return on investment. Reality TV seems to polarize audiences. More people don't like reality shows than didn't like the standard format shows of 5 years ago. And of course you'll often be talking to someone who says "yeah, reality TV sucks, but I have a soft spot for [insert reality show here]".

      The networks have found a way to be more profitable. These shows are so low risk that they're turning them out at an incredible rate, and its that that has brought the bar down. Its not as simple as "well people like it so that's what they play".

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    27. Re:When people stop watching them? by evilpenguin · · Score: 1

      While I sympathize with what you are saying, I think, if you will forgive me for saying so, you are making a classic blunder. I don't think there is an "American culture." We do not and never have had a monoculture. There have always been people who go to Opera and ballet, and there have always been people who like to watch two dogs maul each other to death.

      Reality TV is voyeurism and scopophilia, but those too are nothing new.

      While I think a person can make judgements and decisions about culture, I think it helps to try to develop an almost anthropological detachement when comes to making the next step: Judging people to be inferior because of their tastes. That is a dangerous leap, from judging culture by your tastes and predjudices to judging people by their tastes.

      I have found that most of the people I have met are good and thoughtful people, no matter whether they like Edward Albee or Eddie Albert. You'd be surprised how intelligent some people are who like to watch "The Bachelor."

      Of course you can judge culture, and you should. Of course aspiring to a mature asthetic is a good thing. But condescension based on relative sophistication is nothing but arrogance. To trot out a handy cliche: There is no accounting for taste.

    28. Re:When people stop watching them? by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > people are allowed to watch what the networks feed them

      Ignoring On-Demand, pay-per-view, movie rentals, etc...

      There are 200 Channels or so on my Digital Cable. I'm not exactly force-fed all that stuff. Sure, a lot of it is crap, but I don't buy for a second that you know that every single show on every single channel is prolefeed. As a matter of fact, I don't think there's anything more than your luddite-like egotism at play here. Or maybe you just judge everything on a small sample. What do you want? Everything ever produced and even not-yet-produced available on demand? Do you want 5 billion channels so everything is on all at once?

      The bottom line is, regardless of what bullshit words you attach to it, it is a personal choice. If you don't like it, good for you, here's a fucking cookie. Just don't watch it -- you'll save a lot of money on the cable bill. Either way, stop complaining about other peoples' choices. Just because you are 100x smarter than them does not mean your tastes are any better. Perhaps more refined because you enjoy more intelligent programs, but not better.

  14. Sounds like a good thing all around. by lonesome+phreak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to the article, Shatner, when he announced it was a hoax, gave the town $100,000 as a gift. The crew of the "film" donated $12,000 to the library. Most people where just happy to have him in town...and Shatner said it wasn't going to make fun of anyone - the reality TV show was when a big Hollywood production company comes in to a small town.

    They also spent $1,000,000 to make the show, much of that going into the towns economy. What would be REALLY cool was if the reality show went over well and Shatner decided to actually make the movie into a real movie. That could be pretty cool, and it would already have tons of publicity and marketing started for it.

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    1. Re:Sounds like a good thing all around. by celeritas_2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The show is stale news if you can call it that. The evening news was very excited about it at least, they were interviewing people who hoped it would portray their positive values or something lame like that. Lame.

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    2. Re:Sounds like a good thing all around. by fermion · · Score: 1
      General Disarray: The Simpsons did it! The Simpsons did it!

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    3. Re:Sounds like a good thing all around. by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think you get it. Rhett Reese is a TV producer who is turning out to be a serial fraudster. His best known project is "The Joe Schmo Show" which also airs on SpikeTV (the former TNN) and ends on the same theme of $100,000 and a "We're sorry" party supposedly making good for the fraud.

      This guy's turning into a serial con artist creating scripted annoying situations to get the reactions on tape. Now, that's a concept as old as TV itself in the form of Candid Camera... but Candid Camera's stunts always were quick and relatively painless such that the victim would always be willing to smile for the camera once the hidden camera is pointed out... Reese's setups are longer and lead to people reacting in shock rather than surprise. If you're ever on a TV show and your realize Rhett Reese is involved in the production... you might as well start asking questions and ruining him the same way Ingrid Weiss did.

    4. Re:Sounds like a good thing all around. by Zathras11 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, if we've learned anything from this it is
      that money makes everything better. Lie to
      people, use them, then throw your wallet at them.

  15. Early life of Kirk? by dougmc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So they were thrilled when William Shatner came there to film a Star Trek prequel about the early life of Kirk. Except there was no movie.
    So, what role would Shatner play here? Kirk's dad? Shatner is almost 40 years older than he was when he first played Kirk. I hope you weren't thinking that they could pull off 40+ years off of Shatner to make him seem even younger than he was when Star Trek started (he's 73 now. He was around 35 when Star Trek started.)

    I guess it would make sense for Shatner to have a cameo in whatever Trek show they might make about Kirk, but he won't be playing Kirk in any prequels :)

    But reality TV? Blech. I'd rather have a 73 old old Shatner trying to play a 30 year old Kirk :)

    1. Re:Early life of Kirk? by 77Punker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Kirk could be re-visiting his hometown, or, perhaps he's telling the story about his early life as an old man much as Indiana Jones.

    2. Re:Early life of Kirk? by davandhol · · Score: 1

      Don't you remember Richard Dreyfuss in "Mr. Holland's Opus"? Makeup can work wonders to take the years off.

    3. Re:Early life of Kirk? by dougmc · · Score: 2, Funny
      Kirk could be re-visiting his hometown, or, perhaps he's telling the story about his early life as an old man much as Indiana Jones.
      Sounds fine, except that Kirk was killed in Star Trek Generations, made in 1994. Could they make Shatner look 10+ years youger with makeup? (It might be hard, but it's more in the realm of possiblity.)
    4. Re:Early life of Kirk? by Xaoswolf · · Score: 1
      Unless he get's stuck in a time bubble, and get's to go back in time and talk to himself as a kid.

      or if he get's sent to the future, and get's to play with a child version of himself on the holodeck.

    5. Re:Early life of Kirk? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      * Unless he get's stuck in a time bubble, and get's to go back in time and talk to himself as a kid.

      or if he get's sent to the future, and get's to play with a child version of himself on the holodeck.
      *

      this being star trek both are equally as possible!

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    6. Re:Early life of Kirk? by corngrower · · Score: 1

      Wasn't Opus a fat little penguin?

    7. Re:Early life of Kirk? by Xaoswolf · · Score: 1
      but also remember, that in generations, Whoopi wound up being in both places.

      So there's always a chance of another kirk sitting in the ribbon,clone, or even a transporter twin.

    8. Re:Early life of Kirk? by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      Sounds fine, except that Kirk was killed in Star Trek Generations, made in 1994.

      Did you see the corpse? There's a good rule of thumb "Nobody who's died inside a temporal-paradox pocket-dimension is ever truely dead"

  16. It mau have been worse... by Skiron · · Score: 3, Funny

    He perhaps could have brought along a few Tribbles...

    1. Re:It mau have been worse... by rishistar · · Score: 1

      It may have worse...he could have sung the theme tune.

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  17. Don't forget the infamous URL! Crank up the sound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  18. There's nothing good about another reality show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Especially one that has Shatner. Please tell me he doesn't try to sing in it.

  19. it went something like this by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1, Funny

    You see! It was! A Joke!

    *wave hands awkwardly*

    I'm! Sorry! For the mistake!!

    *ends up upside down in a wagon, still flailing*

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    1. Re:it went something like this by worst_name_ever · · Score: 1

      And then he continued: "You've! Been... punk'd!"

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    2. Re:it went something like this by grolschie · · Score: 1

      Wanna hear a real joke? Download "Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds" or "Rocketman" sung by William Shatner years ago. These tracks are sooooo embarrassing for Shatner! You will laugh until you split your sides.

  20. Redundant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is it that a first post can be redundent?

    1. Re:Redundant? by OneDeeTenTee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How is it that a first post can be redundent?

      Because *every* article has a first post.

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  21. Grammar Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kirk was born in Iowa, not Shatner.

    This sounds like a case for Dr Dan Streetmentioner.

    I think you meant to say "Kirk wioll haven be born in Iowa, not Shatner"

    1. Re:Grammar Nazi by Griim · · Score: 1

      I think you meant to say "Kirk wioll haven be born in Iowa, not Shatner"

      Well, you see Star Trek was a STORY written in the past and NOT REAL, therefore he won't actually be born.

    2. Re:Grammar Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you see Star Trek was a STORY written in the past and NOT REAL, therefore he won't actually be born.

      This is an interesting point EXCEPT that you don't explain how this will affect conjugation of the relevant verbs. What is the correct phrase to describe where someone would have been born in the future had they come to exist, which they won't?

  22. How about this for a reality series? by Phigrin · · Score: 2, Funny
    In terms of reality TV, what would it be like to have a reality show with trekkies participating in the same studio that the actors normally play in? What would make this one interesting, is that you could have the ship actually being piloted though VR space with internet participants.

    Then, just to make it interesting you could, in the same way they do for MUDs, allocate points to internet participants who (via videoconferencing) have the most convincing characters, and then have them participate with greater ships, which they got by using their points.

    Of course there would have to be some 'mission' to the whole thing (pick your trekkie episode), or perhaps a second crew on another ship (another studio).

    Finally the studios would have to be modified to allow the participants to actually live there for a while...

  23. When it stops being cheap. by solios · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Reality TV is about as cheap as infomercials and cooking shows, if not more so. Quality Programming, on the other hand, is a lot more expensive.

    We've been told America Loves Reality TV when the Reality is that the networks LOVE it because it's PURE PROFIT.

    1. Re:When it stops being cheap. by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      *Reality is that the networks LOVE it because it's PURE PROFIT.*

      it wouldn't be profit unless people would be watching it.

      people WANT to watch realityshit.. sad truth.

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    2. Re:When it stops being cheap. by UnrepentantHarlequin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      people WANT to watch realityshit.. sad truth.

      Actually, I think more people than not want to watch something, they don't really care what it is. I know people who just flip through the channels trying to find something worth watching. They're not in front of the TV because there's a show they want to watch -- they're there because it's their default mode of existence, and they try to find a show they can tolerate watching. I suspect a fair percentage of the "reality" TV watchers are the same: they're watching it because it's what's on, not because it's anything they would watch if there was something better competing with it. The creators make it because it's cheap and easy, so it's what's on. The viewers are making a choice between "reality" TV and no TV, not "reality" TV and something else worth watching.

    3. Re:When it stops being cheap. by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      no no.. people really get off from following the survivor series and others - they like them. i don't like them, you might not like them.. but people in general do like them. they follow how the tensions build up between people and so on. like soap.

      remember, shitloads of people watch springer as well.. when they could watch something better.

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    4. Re:When it stops being cheap. by JudgeFurious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Possibly the most insightful comment I've read in weeks. Blinding flash of the obvious it may be but that's it in a nutshell.

      If there were only two networks and they both showed blank screens with the sound of fingernails scratching down a chalkboard then the one that was the least grating would probably get an Emmy and get ratings nearly equal to what your average episode of "The Bachelor" pulls.

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    5. Re:When it stops being cheap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. They are the same idiots who don't know how to use a computer. I used to watch an average of 8-11 hours of TV a day. When computers came on the scene, I played computer games and watched TV at the same time, sometimes two channels on two sets while playing a game. Today, I log onto slashdot, or play a video game. My TV viewing time has dwindled to an average of 30 minutes to an hour a day - most of it on the weekends with the occasional episode of Nova. I'm loathe to turn on anything on TV anymore. For 17 years, I avoided cable TV, but there was still something worth watching. When UPN and WB came on as the new networks, that was the end of an era. There really wasn't a need for any new networks until then. UPN and WB took over two great stations. The station UPN took over actually had uncensored movies over the public airwaves. There was no need for cable except to get rid of commercials. I didn't need the Sci-Fi Channel because the station WB took over frequently ran the original Twilight Zone marathons. I should have spent some money to record more of those. The station UPN took over frequently had Star Trek marathons. Now, they broadcast only informercials instead of having some of the good old shows during the off hours.

      I wish ABC could still have the Late, Late, Late shows where the old movies could still be shown. Instead, there were many fun to watch movies that no longer can be shown because they're not profitable. Now, they'll never be shown, and they never will be shown. Instead we have misleading advertising tricking the unwilling public to buy items they don't really need.

      Capitalism sucks. I wouldn't mind capitalism if the products sell on their own merits. Instead, we have corporations gaming the system, squashing the competition unfairly, and cheating their way into public consciousness. Capitalism is about chaos. You don't make money unless you do damage to something else. In fact, in the current setup, it is more profitable if somewhere in the world people suffer. The oil barons make money if oil prices go up. Oil prices go up if war continues. It is a corrupt system, when corporations can take control of government to stifle competition and start wars for profit.

      Too many people don't know enough history to realize, that corporations had much more power and had to be brought under control because of their abuses. I guess history will have to repeat itself yet again.

  24. The Joe Schmo show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Rhett Reese is the producer of the Joe Schmo show, a show that spoofed reality shows by setting a few people up to think that they were on a reality show.

    This seems like the same thing in a way, and the Joe Schmoe show was quite funny. You can read Rhett's blob here. No information yet, but that might change soon.

  25. From the article... by carou · · Score: 3, Funny

    "They also said they created their own little soap opera where Shatner pretended to be a jerk to his cast"

    Good thing they didn't try to make him act.

  26. Does this mean he won't be acting? by FrankieBoy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Khaaaaaaaan!

  27. More real than Startrek? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    How is that possible?

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    1. Re:More real than Startrek? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add fuses so your instruments won't shoot out sparks everytime your hull gets dented!

  28. For the love of Spock... by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 1, Funny

    Will we never get a break from all this Star Trek nonsense? It'e enough already with the 8 series and the 10 movies and the endless string of reruns, books andconventions. I mean sure, GR did great stuff but aren't people done making money off of his franchise yet?

    1. Re:For the love of Spock... by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 1

      but aren't people done making money off of his franchise yet?
      no. They take example from George Lucas.

    2. Re:For the love of Spock... by Plaid+Phantom · · Score: 1

      Actually, Lucas probably takes a cue from them. Star Trek came first, if I'm not mistaken.

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    3. Re:For the love of Spock... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, there are only 6 series.
      Star Trek
      Animated Series
      Next Generation
      Deep Space 9
      Voyager
      Enterprise

      I wish George Takai would have gotten his Exelsior series! My god... Sheilds! SHEILDS!

  29. Fraudian readslip by Sindri · · Score: 1

    I read the title three times before I realized it was not about a Star Trek Reality TV Show. Guess Im used to William Shatner apearing next to Star Trek.

    1. Re:Fraudian readslip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can just see it now. Survivor: Risa. A Human, a Romulan, and a Klingon are abandoned in the wild backwoods of Risa. There, they must struggle to survive with nothing but their wits, the clothes on their back, and the resorts all around them. Er...scratch the resorts part. You didn't read that.

      Unfortunately it would flop instantly. The Romulan would trick the Klingon into killing the Human, and then he would stab the Klingon in the back, take over the producer's position in a bloodless coup, and then proceed to use the film crew to gather information on other Federation planets, in the guise of filming reality shows.

      But that's what they get for making the show's shirts red.

    2. Re:Fraudian readslip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please get a life.

      Oh, the humanity!

  30. He's also been recording music by RiotXIX · · Score: 1

    It's in stores tomorrow!!!!!
    http://www.nme.com/features/110018. htm, and you can even hear songs from it!!

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    1. Re:He's also been recording music by soccerisgod · · Score: 1

      Fascinating.

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    2. Re:He's also been recording music by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      OMG Shatner is ruining Pulp's Common People. (WMA stream)

      ShatneeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

      NO NO NO NO!

      This goes down as the absolute worst rendition ever.

      Makes me wanna go n dig out my album.

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  31. Fraud in the name of Television by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This seems to be a going trend for TV producers to claim they are working on project A in order to get people to unwittingly participate in project B... here on Slashdot not to look ago there was a warning story about MTV Networks fooling experts into appearing on a Comedy Central project called "Crossballs"

    MTV Networks seems to be making a habit of this. MTV itself fooled a half dozen college students who thought they were interning on a music video project into being the stars of Faking the Video. And let's not forget TNN/SpikeTV's project called The Joe Schmo Show.

    There oughta be a law against these things... because apparently basic fraud hasn't caught up to when fraud is being done in the name of TV.

    1. Re:Fraud in the name of Television by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The show was produced by Rhett Reese. He also produced The Joe Schmo Show (which ran for 2 seasons) which had the similar premise. Schmo's were convinced they were on a reality tv show. All of the other contestants were actors with "reality show stereo-types" and this was always revealed on the last show. With the "Schmo" or "Schmos" (season 2 having more than one) getting $100 000 plus all the trips and prizes that were awarded throughout the show. I found those shows hilarious and can see a similar thing happening with this one.

    2. Re:Fraud in the name of Television by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Yeah. I'd get a good lawyer, not take the money.

      Many years ago, the first "reality TV show", "Candid Camera", actually did get busted. They were operating in a store, and when a customer put his hat on the counter (this was a long time ago), they tried to sell the hat back to him. During the dispute with the customer, a cop walked in. Listened to the participants. Said, to the Candid Camera guy, "That's not a new hat. You're under arrest". The Candid Camera people came out from hiding, showed the camera, and said they were filming a TV show. The cop told them "It doesn't matter. You tried to steal the guy's hat. You're still under arrest", called for backup, and sent the whole crew to the lockup.

      This was back when New York City's official policy on filming was "This city is too busy to make way for film crews". Now it's "Free permits, free locations, free police assistance". And tax credits.

  32. Acting skills.... by ShatteredDream · · Score: 1

    Behold.... for I am

    William Shatner

    I got canned

    really fast by priceline..

    dot com

    Now I am

    an overrated washed up actor

    Whose only claim to fame is

    acting in Esperanto and

    being the first white man

    to admit to kissing a black chick

    Now I can be me

    Not competing with

    that damn vulcan nemoy.

    1. Re:Acting skills.... by losinggeneration · · Score: 1

      I got canned
      really fast by priceline..

      I thought he had been the spokesman for over four years.... Is that really fast to you?
  33. "...and the red barn by the baseball diamond" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ahh... local news for a community of about 930. ;)

  34. No, THIS is William Shatner's Low-Point by Nova+Express · · Score: 4, Informative
    Reality TV? (scoff)

    No, THIS is his low-point, William Shatner's Spplat Attack, a DVD of a Star Trek-themed day of paintball. A friend bought this and brought it over one night.

    It was painful.

    Very painful.

    How painful was it? There was actually a moment when I wished I was watching Star Trek V instead.

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    http://www.lawrenceperson.com/

    1. Re:No, THIS is William Shatner's Low-Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I wished I was watching Star Trek V instead.

      Not like this. Not like this

    2. Re:No, THIS is William Shatner's Low-Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't knock Shatner for Shatnerball, that paintball event is a charity fundraiser that brings people in from all over the country.

      Just this last year was the third annual event and set a new record in people and funds raised.

      The DVDs are intended as souvenirs of the event, not as reality based entertainment. IMHO, that Shatner allows these videos to be made and sold should be regarded as a positive thing. He's diminshing his (already diminished) star power for the enjoyment of a few people, and for a good cause.

      And Shatner does get on the field to play, something very few men of his age attempt.

      More info at http://www.celebritypaintball.com

    3. Re:No, THIS is William Shatner's Low-Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...I wished I was watching Star Trek V instead.

      "Row, row, row your boat..."

      In Hell, that's on a permanent loop in surround sound...

      TFOAE.

  35. Yeah, and merge it with Knight Rider too by cliveholloway · · Score: 4, Funny

    It would be very appropriate for them to drive the "Shatner / Hasslehoff Industries Two Thousand".

    cLive ;-)

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    1. Re:Yeah, and merge it with Knight Rider too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shatner / Hasslehoff Industries Two Thousand

      Watch out for the 'Turbo Boost'. Very messy.

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  37. Principles? by spiralscratch · · Score: 0

    When Shatner called the movie his "passion" and swore that he wouldn't sacrifice his principles moments after arriving nine days ago, she believed him.

    Someone actually believed Shatner has principles?

  38. Kirkacatecas by Baldrson · · Score: 1, Interesting

    They should have done a reality TV show about how the real Kirk will be from a long line of Mexican-Iowans.

  39. Offtopic, but... by idiotnot · · Score: 2, Informative

    His new CD, Has Been comes out on Tuesday. Here is a review.

    I'm still looking for a copy of Transformed Man if anyone knows where to get one.....

    1. Re:Offtopic, but... by AnonymousCowheart · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Offtopic, but... by idiotnot · · Score: 1

      Note the price....they're all used from $50! I want the record, but not that much!

    3. Re:Offtopic, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm still looking for a copy of Transformed Man if anyone knows where to get one.....

      Just out of curiousy, why do you want it? You are aware it is one of the most painful things to listen to in the history of the world, right?

      Perhaps a gift for your boss?

  40. Shatner? Reality? Seriously? No.... by fu_yosemite · · Score: 1

    William Shatner to Star in New Reality TV Series

    What does William Shatner know about reality? I've had the feeling he's not been so with it since he decided to cover "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds."

  41. Obligatory Futurama quote by brilinux · · Score: 1

    I am reminded of that Futurama episode where they are stranded on the planet with the energy being and the cast of Star Trek; the energy creature is yelling at the cast during his fan script rehearsal, and Leonard Nimoy says, "You must respect your actors. When I directed Star Trek IV, I got an excellent performance out of Bill because I respected him" and Shatner responds with "And when I directed Star Trek V, I got an excellent performance out of me, because I respected me so much". Yeah, good old Shatner.

    1. Re:Obligatory Futurama quote by ari_j · · Score: 1

      Welshie!!!

  42. Sig XHTML compliance by EnormousTooth · · Score: 1

    I think in order to be XHTML compliant, you need a .

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    1. Re:Sig XHTML compliance by iantri · · Score: 1
      Looks like Slashcode ate your (X)HTML, but

      or just /> (with no closing tag) are both satisfactory.

      However, since Slashdot declares its' pages as HTML 3.2 (I'm surprised they even do it at all; cehck the source), attempting to make it XHTML compliant is unfortunately totally pointless.
  43. Better Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best reality tv show would be to send the producers and hosts from all of the other reality tv shows to an island without any food or supplies. The person who lives the longest would win money so they never need to work again.

    1. Re:Better Idea by ari_j · · Score: 1

      I think they should have Survivor: Siberia. Everyone is dropped off in whatever they were wearing when they showed up for their interview in the middle of Siberia in the autumn, with no assistance or guidance whatsoever. Whoever is the last man living wins ... his life, should he choose to claim it by returning to society before he dies, as well.

  44. Shatner can't do reality by binarybum · · Score: 1

    Shatner has a temper as short as a Klingon's. He would be a wreck in a reality tv kind of situation.
    Have you heard him freak out about his hairpiece?
    If anyone can find a link to the radio interview I am referring to, please post it here.

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    1. Re:Shatner can't do reality by BaltikaTroika · · Score: 1
      "Shatner has a temper as short as a Klingon's."

      Yeah, like that time his wife was complaining about his hairpiece while she was lounging outside near the swimming pool...

      BaltikaTroika

  45. Dammit by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 1

    This kind of crap really bothers me. The first few times it was done, it was funny, ha ha. But now this kind of shit is just as annoying as all of the "cowboy neal" and "in soviet russia" stuff, just not as funny. However, here is my real problem with it. Spike and others seem to think it's OK as long as they smooth everything over with a little cash. Bullshit! When are people going to wake up and realize that sometimes, money just isn't worth being made a fool of? The problem here is that most people have been conditioned to basically bend over when offered a decent amount of money. This needs to end. There MUST be some way of pointing out to people that it is not a good thing to check the essence of your being at the door and do just about anything that will scar your dignitiy for cash. un-America needs to get its dignity back. What a travesty.

    1. Re:Dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But now this kind of shit is just as annoying as all of the "cowboy neal" and "in soviet russia" stuff


      In Soviet Russia Cowboy Neal annoys you!

      LOL!!!!!!!
  46. Piece of shit.. ner? by TidyKiller · · Score: 1
    I don't know what Shatner's problem is. He's been a has-been since before he stopped starring in Star Trek films. He can't act worth a damn. He's not the pretty Kirk he used to be. He's trying to hard to have an actual career, and it's making him look worse than he already did.

    Shatner needs to just retire.

    1. Re:Piece of shit.. ner? by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1
      You're missing the point. Shatner slipped into a kitsch alternative reality decades ago (have you never heard any of his spoken-word recordings?), and is now the SF fan's equivalent of a freak-show exhibit. The world would be a poorer place without him.

      Anyway, he's marginally more interesting than Leonard Nimoy and his arty nude photos.

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  47. Re:Shatner Not from Montreal? by Rick+Genter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Riverside, Iowa is the alleged birthplace of James T. Kirk, not William Shatner (though sometimes I think Shatner himself gets the two confused ;-) ).

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  48. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I'm not sure why your lame attempt at a joke is modded "funny" since it is not.

  49. Re:No no no by ArcticCelt · · Score: 1
    No no no, the one who died was finally the evil Kirk from the alternate universe, he was just pretending to be Kirk because he is evil. The real one is still waiting in the bubble until they call him for another movie.

    (or something similar that they could pull out of their ass)

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  50. Why lie? by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    Why bother lying to a community that you want to film a movie in their town? There are zillions of movies being filmed on locations all over the world, so why not just pick one, tow cameras around all over the place, and record what the real reactions of people are to the real-life situation of having a big production come to their town?

    Oh, wait. That's not reality TV. That's a documentary.

  51. You sort of are mistaken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Star Trek the Motion Picture came out in 1979, two years *after* Star Wars. The resurrection was inspired by Star Wars' success.

    Until then it was mostly a cancelled 1960's sitcom. There was a choppy cartoon, but that hardly counts as milking the franchise.

  52. People are not merely means by gilroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This isn't a "good thing all around". It's a terrible thing. Basically, a bunch of people in "the biz" decided it would be funny to fool a small town community. They came in, lied, manipulated, and essentially disrespected these people, then decided that their trust was worth about $100,000. The donated money is a bribe, plain and simple, to buy off the feeble stirrings of conscience in Shatner, et al.

    I see this happening more and more, and it's starting to get to me. People aren't here for your entertainment. Real people aren't the Sims, for Pete's sake. They don't go about their lives just to relieve the tedium of yours. It's a bad thing to treat people as if they were just means to be used in achieving your ends, whether that's something cartoony grand or as mundane as filling half an hour of that gaping void that is your life.

    People are not means only.

    I don't care that they got "genuine reactions" and "true feeling" and all that other crap that producers of shows like this believe justify their deceptions. In the end, a bunch of Hollywood types decided that small town people can be easily duped for the entertainment of a jaded national audience.

    And for all those who asked, back when the reality craze fist hit, what harm Survivor etc. could do... well, here we are. These people didn't volunteer for the reality show; they were impressed into service, kidnapped.

    1. Re:People are not merely means by lonesome+phreak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think it's interesting. The town doesn't seem to mind all that much. There's only 930 people in the town. Now their famous.

      And what if the movie ends up being made? It might if things go right.

      Think about a bit bigger picture. And actually, if your religious, we're here for God's entertainment. :)

      One person got paid $5,000 for nine days. The town made $100,000. In two weeks. Not bad. Let's just ssee how it plays out.

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    2. Re:People are not merely means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now _they're_ famous. Learn to speak English or get out of America. Move back to France.

    3. Re:People are not merely means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People are not means only.

      Go tell it to Donald Rumsfeld and his finely graded methods of torture.

    4. Re:People are not merely means by shadowbearer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Now their famous.

      Yeah, being made fools of can make people famous in todays entertainment. Briefly. Very briefly. Yay.

      I'll pass, thank you.

      Does anyone seriously think a movie will come out of this? Come on...

      SB

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    5. Re:People are not merely means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      English is spoken in England. Whatever the language mumbled or shouted by Americans is, it ain't English.

    6. Re:People are not merely means by Quixotic137 · · Score: 1

      I'm from a small town in Iowa, and I would say that the vast majority of people around here would find this sort of thing pretty funny, even if they were (kind of) the butt of the joke. Not only that, but the people who don't think it's funny wouldn't participate in the movie or the reality show to start with. The fact is, there's not a lot going on around here, and a little variety is a good thing. Of course, my opinion will probably change if they are malicious in their portrayal of the townsfolk. However, I doubt that will happen because I think a lot of people would have your reaction in that case, and it wouldn't be fun for the audience either.

    7. Re:People are not merely means by gilroy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Blockquoth the poster:

      One person got paid $5,000 for nine days. The town made $100,000. In two weeks. Not bad. Let's just ssee how it plays out.

      It's not about the money. It's about the license taken by the producers. Those people weren't paid for their reactions on a reality show. They were paid for help in producing a movie. If they had known the ultimate destination of the footage, they might have been OK with it. Or they might have demanded more money. Or they might have chosen not to participate. The point is, they were denied that choice. In essence a fraud was perpetrated on them.

      (And don't give me any of those "people play pranks on their friends all the time" lines. These people weren't friends; they were business associates. It matters.)
    8. Re:People are not merely means by lav-chan · · Score: 1

      Being a teen-ager who's spent 17 years in Iowa, i think i'm qualified to speak on this~~~


      Really, the worst part about this is that Riverside is just too north. I'm worried that the show is going to portray Iowans as red-necked bumpkins, and unfortunately the town of Riverside is not down south enough for us to blame any red-neckedness on the Missourian contamination that has infested southern Iowa.


      I'm only partly joking. :/

    9. Re:People are not merely means by metamatic · · Score: 1

      What about the reality show where they got a bunch of gold-digging shallow women to compete to marry a man they thought was a millionaire, then turned around and told them he had no money? I thought that was a marvellous idea, a karmic payback worthy of the Twilight Zone. Sure, the women were manipulated, disrespected and used, but I think they deserved it.

      I don't think there's enough info in the article to say whether these people are being unfairly used or not. Perhaps they ended up in the show because they smelt the Hollywood money and were desperate to get their snouts in the trough? Or, yes, perhaps they were genuinely selfless fans who were tricked into taking part against their better judgement. I'd like to know before passing judgement against the show or William Shatner.

      By and large, we see people being degraded on TV because people will willingly do horribly degrading things just to appear on TV, and will thank the networks afterwards. If they're happy, what's it to me if I think they've lost all dignity? All they had to do was say no.

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    10. Re:People are not merely means by wedg · · Score: 1

      I'm sure someone in pre-Nazi Germany was saying "Let's just see how it plays out," too.

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    11. Re:People are not merely means by jgoemat · · Score: 1
      "And what if the movie ends up being made? It might if things go right."

      One of the guys that was "cast" for the movie said it was absolutely the worst thing he had ever read. I can't wait to see the show just to see what the ridiculous movie was supposed to be about :)

    12. Re:People are not merely means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dating: while( 1 ){ call_girl(); get_rejected(); drink_40(); } return 0;

      Offtopic; but your programming style could do with some improvement. I notice that you have
      drink_40()
      Wouldn't it make sense to have the 40 as a param, then you could decide how horribly drunk you were going to get?

      The 'return 0' will never be reached, so why bother including it?

      Finally, if you replaced call_girl() with call(bool girl), you could have your choice of girl, or otherwise, if you were curious, or just desparate ;-)

    13. Re:People are not merely means by cobyrne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's only 930 people in the town. Now their famous.

      Yes - they are famous for being duped. It remains to be seen, but they may yet become famous for being people that the nation laughs at. Fame isn't always a good thing. Fame isn't for everyone. Fame usually doesn't live up to the expectations of those that want it.

    14. Re:People are not merely means by cybpunks3 · · Score: 1

      Beheadings are better?

    15. Re:People are not merely means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Wouldn't it make sense to have the 40 as a param, then you could decide how horribly drunk you were going to get?

      40 is the slang name of a drink, not the number of drinks he's going to have. It could have been, say, drink_martini().

  53. Heard this a few days back by Fallen+Andy · · Score: 1

    I think he's made a *big* mistake. Nobody is
    going to want to know him in his *own home town*
    anymore.

    Imagine, the next time he goes into a bar.
    (call 911).

    1. Re:Heard this a few days back by mh101 · · Score: 1

      It's not Shatner's home town. As the poster (and the article) states,

      The small town of Riverside, Iowa has long billed itself as the birthplace of James T. Kirk.

      (emphasis added)

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  54. They'll stop shoving this filth... by Rufus88 · · Score: 1

    ... when there are no more people left who are willing to participate in reality TV shows anymore. I mean, it's not like they can make a reality TV show without real people, right?

  55. Since noone has done it... by Sekoku · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cut back to Peter and William Shatner dancing barefoot in puddles by the side of the road. Meg comes along the road, and spots them.

    Peter: Aaaargh!
    William: My God! Look out!

    The car skids to a stop, but knocks them both down. Meg and Lois get out.

    Meg: Oh, my God. I hit William Shatner.
    William: Light... growing... dimmer... can't... breathe. Beam me up, God.

    He lays flat on his back, his shirt pops open and his gut pops out. Ensign Ricky and a crowd of people stand watching.

    Ensign: Whoo. I did not see that coming.
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  56. I agree with you,... by Blaede · · Score: 1

    ...and I would like to discuss this further, but I'm late for my shift at McDonalds!

  57. Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    From the article:
    She is hoping Shatner is telling the truth about the series, that it won't make fun of the town she loves so much. Yet she isn't keeping her fingers crossed.

    "We've been fooled once, we can be fooled twice," she said.
    I shouldn't feel too bad if I were them. As a famous one-time resident of their town once said, "May fortune favour the foolish".
  58. Shatner's Career by midnightcandidate · · Score: 1

    1. Star in classic, overly-campy sci-fi series. 2. Host over-hyped drama-rescue series. 3. Perform insult to music for a badly floundering dot-com. 4. Profit!

  59. Re:Fraud in the name of Television - Crossballs by JimMarch(equalccw) · · Score: 1

    Re: Crossballs: remember how there was that "gun nut" that got all upset?

    Yeah, that would be me :). And yes, I'm the same guy suing Diebold so hey, I ain't JUST a gun nut :).

    Anyways. They never ran my episode :). Swear to God - they pulled it at the last second. My lawyer's two letters about how they didn't have permission appear to have sunk in.

    [/blows rassberries towards NYC and the Viacom corporate office:ON]

  60. Sample dialogue by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 3, Funny

    [shatner mode="kirk"]You don't understand why we must have such diversions? Do not your own people ... seek enjoyment in their own way? So it is with us. You see, we humans ... we need to ... relax ... to entertain ourselves. All of the great leaders in history have realized this: Caesar, Napoleon, Darius of Rigel IV. That's why ... we created ... television. If. You. Deny us. The chance to relax ... we will grow weary of our lives ... our less human lives?[/kirk]

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    1. Re:Sample dialogue by wicka_wicka · · Score: 1

      You, sir, are a god.

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  61. Re:Fraud in the name of Television - Crossballs by moofdaddy · · Score: 1

    Re: Crossballs: remember how there was that "gun nut" that got all upset? Yeah, that would be me :). And yes, I'm the same guy suing Diebold so hey, I ain't JUST a gun nut :). Anyways. They never ran my episode :). Swear to God - they pulled it at the last second. My lawyer's two letters about how they didn't have permission appear to have sunk in.

    What a coincedence. You know that guy on the debates the other night? The really irritating one? That was me. And yes, I'm the same guy running to be president.

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  62. Heart opening by base_chakra · · Score: 1

    From the article: "They don't understand that we opened our hearts to them," Simon said.

    There's the problem right there. Never, ever open your heart to TV executives!!

    1. Re:Heart opening by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Yeah they prefer your wallets (and your souls for that matter) ;).

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  63. Damn it Bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a reality show, not Star Trek!

  64. Hey, I SAW him in Iowa by rlthomps-1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hey hey! He was at the University of Iowa on Friday to use our satellite uplink for interviews. I work in the same building and we tracked him down and got a pic.... here's the scoop

    1. Re:Hey, I SAW him in Iowa by wedg · · Score: 1

      Go Hawkeyes! (-- Fellow Uiowan.)

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  65. Hey, I think I heard about that about a week ago by losinggeneration · · Score: 1

    Yeah, my roommates here at college are from Riverside. So I have been hearing about it for a bit now. My roommates do point out that the people of Riverside are kinda strange, but that people in the Midwest in general would probably react similarly if a big star like that came to film a movie there. One thing that is nice to point out is they gave the town of Riverside about $100k. (from what I've been told)

  66. Set Phasers to 'Ridicule' by Mulletproof · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I guess you can look at this two ways... One, a good ol' boy playing a friendly prank on his old town, or the one I'm favoring at the moment; Galaxy Quest primadonna trying to make it off the dying embers of his career. I mean, why his town? Why not some other middle America? I'm thinking because that's where his name was the strongest and would be least likely questioned. In otherwords, the easiest marks they could find. Yeah, so they gave em' a $112,000... BFD. That's called a bribe in order not to litigate Shatner's ass for being played the fool, like every other "you're a fool and we secretly know it" show out there. Besides, only $112,000 to the entire town? They're obviously hoping to make $$$ off it's syndication, which means $100,000 divided by 903 people is fucking peanuts.

    I know they could portray them as decent folk as Rev. Rich Adam hopes, but these shows don't get viewership off folks being good and decent. They get it by putting people in tight spots and making em look like fools. Oh hey, Guess who didn't attend James Doohan's (suffering from Parkinson's disease, diabetes, lung fibrosis and Alzheimer's disease) annointement to the Hollywood Walk of Fame? Probably too busy getting a great hotel rate.

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    1. Re:Set Phasers to 'Ridicule' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One could argue that a small town that tries to pin its hopes on being "the future birthplace of Captain Kirk" (which happened long before this shenanigan was ever conceived) deserves to get ridiculed.

  67. Wow by srcosmo · · Score: 2, Funny
    William Shatner and reality TV, together at last.

    I think I'll go weep for the fate of the world now.

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  68. Ah, another family guy fan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It truly was a dark day when Family Guy went off the air.

  69. You.. people are.. just.. jealous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

    Ahem.. sorry, I'll go back to my star trek dvd's now.. ;)

  70. What next?.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe a Leonard Nimoy reality show in Vulcan, Alberta?

  71. Reality is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It may be spamming but a band called TISM said it best -


    If you love it, you deserve it.

    If you watch Reality;
    Got your crotch on Reality;
    If you act on Reality;
    Know a fact from Reality;
    If you make up Reality;
    See a break up on Reality;
    If you produce Reality;
    Don't want to reduce Reality;
    If you costume Reality;
    Know a better rest room than Reality;
    If you write on Reality;
    Do the lights on Reality;
    If your ad's on Reality;
    Follow fads from Reality;
    If you grew up on Reality;
    Didn't throw up on Reality;
    If you write about - bring about - fight about - sing about;
    admire it - inspire it - hire it - acquire it;

    If you love it, you deserve it.

    If you make Reality
    If you fake Reality
    Get your face on Reality
    Product placed on Reality
    Your song's on Reality;
    It belongs on Reality;
    You relate to Reality
    You fellate Reality
    Gay or straight on Reality
    Celibate on Reality
    If you renovate Reality
    If you decorate Reality
    If you argue 'bout the stinking
    Body Corporate on Reality
    If you cook on Reality
    Even look at Reality
    Give garden tips on Reality
    Give me the shits on Reality
    If you program Reality
    Don't wanna pogrom Reality
    If you're addicted to Reality
    To who's evicted from Reality
    If you getaway on Reality
    Not get away from Reality
    Find a match on Reality
    Not put a match to Reality
    Cameo on Reality
    Funniest video Reality
    If you do a deal on Reality
    If you keep it real on Reality
    If you vote on Reality
    Cross-promote on Reality
    Like the cast on Reality
    Don't wanna glass them on Reality
    If you don't can it - bash it - ban it - trash it;
    If you follow it - observe it - swallow it - "lurve" it:

    If you love it, you deserve it.
    Hold on, this is bullshit!

  72. Wanna make a bet? by initialE · · Score: 1

    10 dollars say that if the show generates enough interest (oh, maybe get /.ed or something) you'll be having to face the horror of a real Star Trek prequel in the works sometime soon.

    A Ka-mai

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  73. Re:18 to 34 yr old males by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems that network tv has been curious over the loss of 18 to 34 year old males, suggesting it is a problem with the survey. Seems like this might fit the profile of many people on Slashdot. Considering the types of shows that the networks have cancelled in the past and are making now, go figure.

  74. A Quote. by builderbob_nz · · Score: 1

    I've said it before and I'll say it again... To quote Macaulay Culkin:

    ARRRGH!!!!!

    Shatner's speach is bad enough to try and follow, but to mix it with a "reality" show is going to be murder.

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  75. They're just Common People by dwrugh · · Score: 1

    They're all just Common People; Shatner's singing about them in his new CD
    Has Been

  76. Kill Your Television by tcs · · Score: 1

    Calling All Nerds: You Don't Have Time To Waste On Television!

    My wife and I gave away our TiVo and television and haven't looked back. I don't know and don't particularly care how long it's been since we unplugged from the Matrix, but I promise you this:

    If you kill your television, the rest will follow.

    But I swear I can stop /. any time, really! I swear!

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    1. Re:Kill Your Television by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Off-topic, reply to your sig:

      Many seem to think it's spelled "viola" as well. Ain't that disheartening?

  77. ,,,and the people screamed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CON!!!

  78. Crap TV by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    They will quit shoving it down our throats when people quit watching it! It's like a d**n car wreck, everybody has to look. I'm sick of it too....if it wasn't for Fox News, the history channel, discovery, TV-Land, I wouldn't watch TV any more.

  79. Generator? by emilng · · Score: 1

    DeForest Kelly must be rolling in his grave...

    Maybe we can use his body to power a generator then.

  80. From The Horses Mouth... by NormAtHome · · Score: 1

    Actually I just got back from Cherry Hill, NJ where William Shatner gave a talk and signed autographs at a Star Trek Sci-Fi show. First off (he talked about this for a few minutes) this is a one time only mini series (just a few episodes, not a full season), I guess unless it makes enough money and they talk him into doing something like it again. And he called it something like MTV's Punked, just practiced on the entire town... from his description it actully sounds funny. In general I really, really hate reality TV... I get enough reality all day every day.. but again from his description of some of the practical jokes they played on the town it sounds like a great laugh so I'm willing to reserve judgement until I see one or two.

  81. I live here by Pieces · · Score: 1

    I live about 15 minutes from Riverside ... and I havn't heard much about this whole thing. I no sorta what happened, and all that, but there havn't been massive angry newspaper articles about it, that I have seen.

    I easily could have missed alot, but it seems to me that the people around here didn't take it too seriously, and its not that big of a deal. What was a huge deal was the vote on having a casino in Riverside 2 months ago... that brought an uproar.

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    1. Re:I live here by Tanmi-Daiow · · Score: 1

      i live there too, and there have been newspaper articles about it, but it was a good thing b/c it put like $1 million dollars into the local economy, which aint so bad, and that casino isnt official yet. (darn, i wanted shatner's autograph too...)

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      "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." - C.S. Lewis
  82. there's a promise not worth a plug nickel by Robocoastie · · Score: 1

    in the article Shatner assures the town that they won't be made fun of. - There's a promise not worth a plug nickel. When's the last time Hollywood portrayed rural life in a good way? NEVER. It's always farm dad is either a drunk, rapes his daughters at night, or both and the town that all knows it but doesn't do squat because they are just as guilty. Sorry but I'm sick of Hollywood's stereotypes.

  83. The ultimate Shatner series by Magickcat · · Score: 0

    We need an Enterprise episode where the crew are transported into a TJ Hooker alternative universe.

    - pure class, and Shatner stays happy.

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    Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses. If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.

  84. Jewish Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please. Let the Kapitan pass into history. Even Gene Roddenberry let go. Everyone remember seeing his memorial at the start of the second greatest Trek film to grace the theatre (Star Trek VI).

    I know your wife drown, and it really shocked the living hell out of me too. I can't even imagine going through that.

    Please just let us remember you the way you used to be. I always hear that you were a real asshole on the set, but I just concentrate on the character.

    No matter else, thank you for giving us your acting career. Some people are always stigmatized by one character; Judy Garland will always be Dorothy, Clint Eastwood will always be the shootingest mutherfucker that ever lived, Arnold Schwarzenegger will always be Conan...um...and the Terminator.

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    You will always be Captain Kirk. Please just let it go...

  85. Ahem... by pjt48108 · · Score: 1

    Denny Crane!

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    Mmmmmm... Bold, yet refreshing!
    1. Re:Ahem... by sexylicious · · Score: 1

      Isn't it "Danny Crane"?

  86. There should be a test. A geek test. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    http://www.innergeek.us/

  87. Show could have been worth while... by JumperCable · · Score: 1

    If they were the first unwitting participants to Tar & Feather Kirk, cast & crew. Revenge on @sshat reality show j3rckoffs would be sweet.

    Let's face it. They are told they aren't going to be made fun of right now. Wait until their show comes out. They were used through & through.

  88. Is it funny? Does it really matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm from Lone Tree, IA. How many of you have heard of Lone Tree? It's about six miles east of Riverside. Just the discussion (two-hundred-some-odd posts so-far) about Riverside, a place most of you had never previously known about, can't be a horrible thing. And communities do humorous things all the time. At least Riverside can claim that the egg that is theirs was done in good faith.

    jg

  89. And the award for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Biggest Showbusiness Whore goes to .....

    "William Shatner!"

  90. OT: Your sig by mdielmann · · Score: 1

    Back666Back: Two-backed Beast

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  91. It's not just bad taste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not just because people watch these shows that they make money. As has already been mentioned, they are also very cheap to produce, meaning more profit.

  92. Fox News? by muntumbomoklik · · Score: 0

    Fox News is reality TV at its worst.

  93. "Reality TV" on the Internet predates that of TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mark my words, some enterprising college kids are going to clue into this fact and start selling their own 'reality show' over the internet, making their money off the advertising revenue their site will bring in.

    You mean like "Naked College Girls' Apartment Webcam"? Been done.

  94. Reality TV is totally unreal. by master_p · · Score: 1

    There is nothing 'real' in reality TV shows...not for a bunch of people sitting closed in a house all day long, not for a bunch of people thrown without food in the wilds, not for a group of youngsters trying to make it as pop stars.

    By the way, wouldn't 'Kirk' be too old for reality TV?

  95. Mean Spirited by airship · · Score: 1

    I live in Iowa City and can tell you the entire area was very excited about them "making a movie" here. Riverside, Iowa, is a tiny town with no real claim to fame other than the fact that they are nice people. Their mayor got the bright idea a few years ago that they should claim to be the Iowa town where Captain Kirk was born. They even raised $10,000 to erect a bronze statue of Kirk downtown by the barber shop. At first, Shatner wasn't going to allow it, but his mother asked him to let them because she wanted a statue of her boy. He didn't bother to attend the unveiling ceremony. In fact, the first time he ever set eyes on the town was when he moved in with an entire crew to scam them.
    These people are huge Star Trek fans. Shatner and company really took advantage of a lot of very nice small town people with this scam. They didn't deserve it, and everyone there feels foolish and badly used.
    Sure, Iowans are trusting small-town folk, but that's what I love about Iowa. It's one place that hasn't become cynical and mean. It's the opposite of Hollywood, where everyone is phony and it's all about making a buck, no matter what the cost.
    I know one thing - this "reality" show won't have very high ratings in Iowa.

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  96. Re:OT: Your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you know that '999' is the number for the emergency services in the UK? Surprises me that some rabid nutcase hasn't made a deal about this yet, given the obvious connection with '666'.

  97. Agree with that by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I don't think the parents point about the networks doom coming from redily syndicated reality shows is quite right - reality shows are a form of entertainment that I think would decay fairly quickly over time. Are there that many people that would want to see the first Survivor again?

    I agree the real peril is that ANYONE can make a reality TV show, as they take almost no money to put on.

    However the quality of compettion is directly proportional to the value of the reward at the end - people just are not as interesting when they are fighting for a small plastic trophy or "the glory of the win" as when $1 MILLION real dollars are on the line.

    There are a lot of cheaper kind of crappy reality shows that show this principal at work, from ones somewhere in SCotland I think competing teams against each other for scientific tasks to ourdoor kind of challenge things (like King of the Pride on Animal Planet). They never come off as interesting as when the people are going for something really huge.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  98. Get off the high horse by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    So what do you think is so bad about reality TV?

    Seriously, you and others like you are constantly deriding this form of TV. But is it really so bad compared to just about any other form of entertainment, including a good book?

    If you think about it reality TV is a scripted framework, on which you get to watch how real people react against whatever scripted event occurs and how they react with each other.

    There is some degree of pandering to show a bit of T&A or whatever, because they feel they have to. But if you'll notice the really popular reality shows are mostly devoted to capturing the essance of people reacting to unlikley events and each other within them.

    Just because you might see these as having no intelligence to them does not mean there are not interesting elements you can draw from them.

    In the Apprentice, I enjoy thinking of how I might approach tasks and analysing perceived flaws in strategy the teams put together. That actually takes a bit of thought, and you can learn some interesting things from what goes on there. For one thing, all business people can be just as dumb as anyone - they just have more money to play with.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  99. How so? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't the people have to sign releases to be shown? Anyone that appears is going to sign a release saying they are OK - if someone feels angry about being duped they can just not sign and fottage of them is gone.

    The people that were supposed to be in the movie, why would they care if the footage was for a movie or not? They were being filmed and who cares where the footage goes.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  100. Not at all true by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Some people will just watch anything. But I have found that viewers of reality TV really get into them, as much as they get into anything - I only watch a very few TV shows (about six hours a week at most), and the only ones I watch regularily are The Apprentice and The Amazing Race.

    Reality TV is some o fthe most educational TV around, if you come at it from the standpoint of learning about human nature and a study on how people react to each other.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  101. Generally I agree, but not in this case by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Generally I agree those shows where they trick people are more annoying than not, and hard to watch.

    But this at least seems like it might have a more good-hearted motive in mind, if good can ever spring from trickery...

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  102. Scare Tactics by serutan · · Score: 1

    In the one episode of Scare Tactics that I saw, they convinced a chimney cleaner that he was confronting a murderer who had stashed a decomposing body in the chimney. The poor guy was plainly terrified, and took it amazingly well when they told him it was just a setup. Had it been me, I think I would have been mad enough to break a few skulls before calming down. That one episode was enough to convince me that at least a few TV executives are completely insane.