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Plugin For Winamp Allows Downloading From iPod
slicenglide writes "A newly released plugin for Winamp allows you to copy music from your iPod to your computer. Wired has picked up the story and includes a link to the WinAmp plugin page where you can grab yourself a copy. "
I think my grandparents use to use that back in the early twentieth century...
I for one never realised that iPods wouldn't let you copy music *off* them. Thank god I never bought one, that would annoy the hell out of me.
iPods store the music totally openly in the directory structure. You can download the music from any file browser that can see the disk - like the command line on OS X for example. It's hardly rocket science.
""Using it with third-gen iPod and Windows ME," wrote Brian Cape in the Winamp forum. "Absolutely superb, no problems at all." "
No problems at all with Windows ME? It's a miricle!
Of course I didn't read the article, so there might be something to it ... but I suspect it's not that hard to get the files via a Linux installation. The only platform I have that I have had trouble pulling the files off of the iPod on is Mac.
I talk about stuff.
fucking nerds
:-(
I wish someone would be.
To copy songs from your iPod on mac os x, open up the terminal and type:
/Volumes/name_of_ipod/iPod Control/music
:)
# Change directory to the ipod music directory. (I'm not sure if iPod Control is the exact name I'm not on a mac at the moment, but it's similar.)
cd
# View the files on the iPod
ls
# Then copy whatever the files called.
cp name_of_file
No plugins, downloads, whatever required
How long will Apple take to *fix* this?
I can copy music from my iRiver to my hdd without th e need for any such plugins, it's just like a removable hdd using the USB Mass Storage Device drivers.
I pity you fools and your shiny white shackles!
The problem with slashdot is that most of its users were bullied and stuffed into lockers as kids!
You failed it, nerd.
Maybe this is news for Winamp users - I doubt it, but I don't use it myself. But there has been software to download songs from the iPod to your harddrive for ages. The inability to do so is pretty much limited to iTunes, every other application dealing with the iPod (and there are dozens) enables you to do that. One popular example for Windows is EphPod. Lots and lots more can be found for multiple platforms at iPodlounge.
Personally, I use foo_pod, a plugin for the foobar2000 audio player. It's quite powerful, including such features as automatic conversion of formats the iPod doesn't know (e.g. ogg or shorten) and automatic generation of audiobooks. For what it's worth - Wired seems to care - foobar and foo_pod are yet half as small than Winamp and that plugin is. Hah.
Switch back to Slashdot's D1 system.
I might be wrong, but I believe an iPod just shows up as removable media when I connect it to my Windows machine via USB or FireWire. I can simply browse the drive, and copy and paste any files I like, music or not. Why is this new?
I have an Ipod and so also and FM radio. I find it easier to follow the songs on fm as they do all the work for me else I need to keep choosing my songs and after a while get bored of that.
Lazy BUM
India
But isn't that illegal?
You are going to make jesus cry.
N
"I used to have that really cool,funny sig
This is hardly new nor interesting. There are plenty of programs that work with the iPod other than iTunes. Behold just a few:
- Anapod Explorer
- PodUtils
- GTKpod
- GNUpod
And rhythmbox, for example, offers nice integration of music management and iPod operability -- if that's what is supposed to have made this newsworthy.
Ipod is a utility item everyone wants but how many of them use it?
Ipod! Ipod
I nod !
I nod !
and then I forgot!
There's always sufficient, but not always at the right place nor for the right folks.
Here is a direct link to the homepage for the winamp iPod plugin.
We have many other features than just copy to hard drive, mlipod provides fully fledged iPod management. Go check it out!
Will - Lead dev for mlipod
Why is this front page worthy, or even slashdot worthy?
First of all, winamp is great, ipod is awesome. but,
this plugin doesn't add anything you couldn't do in the first place. The wired article (yes I read it) gave one of the uses of this plugin for transferring songs from your work comp to your home comp via an ipod. I can do that already by zero compressing my songs into one big file, copying them to ipod and then to home computer. If I wanted to I could also run a crc checker on it to make sure nothing got corrupted along the way. something this plugin can't let you do.
Secondly, this plugin is windows only. if it ran on macs and linux as well maybe it would then be front page worthy
I think my grandparents use to use that back in the early twentieth century.
And yet, there's been no significant improvement over it since then. Pretty crappy showing, you youngsters.
Maybe you should spend less time posting dumb comments and more time coding, like the oldsters did.
And while I'm bleeding karma, how about this...
Google is now tracking which search results you click on.
Check it out for yourself.
Don't be evil my ass.
More like "About fucking time!"
Sorry, but how is this not just a blatant piracy tool?
For what possible reason would I need to use this? My computer can always access the same music the iPod can, seeing as it came from the computer in the first place. My other machines can access the same music either through Bonjour music shares, or by connecting to the file server the files are actually stored on. If I ever lose the machine, I restore from my DVD-R backups. If I'm away from home, it's still not a problem, since that's the whole point of the iPod.
The only use I can see for such a feature is to warez music off a friends iPod - the functionality is utterly redundant otherwise.
A friend of mine has been using this plugin for months, and prefers to use it in favor of iTunes. It's hardly new though, the earliest release listed on their Sourceforge filelist is from April 2004.
So you can move files off/on your iPod with this plug-in... you still can't play them any where else very easily!
Sure they are a few techniques out there that sometimes (depending on how quickly it is patched) allows you to copy the DRM protected files... but you are still locked in with evil DRM.
Copying the files around is not the problem, removing the DRM is the challenge.
I've been using this for a while, it works with Ipod Shuffles as well, just drag/drop, haven't tried any of the advanced features though
There is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men. -- Boondock Saints
People want to be able to use their music and their devices as they see fit and they will find a way to make that happen when companies try to cripple their otherwise good products. I bought my iPod thinking that it was probably locked down and the ability to transfer songs and files would be limited but I knew you people out there would fix the problem. It is annoying when locked down proprietary design locks the features down of a device I would otherwise buy and so I will look elsewhere when that happens -I'm looking at you Sony. (take your memory sticks and shove them) The iPod is popular despite it's attempted lockdown and they would do well to not follow the Sony example.
Enjoy your Karma, after all you earned it. Feel your Karma Joe, feel it burn.
You pissed off the joos no karma for you hee hee
OP is referring to the fact that you CAN take music off it, and clearly you've not done your research well in the slightest. Just use a program like ephpod.
There are a ton of programs that already let you do this. Perhaps the coolest in my eyes is a program called SharePod which runs directly from the iPod hard drive, and so requires no installation. It is for Windows only, however, which is the only limitation.
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http://sturm.t35.com/sharepod/
There are also about a dozen alternatives here, on iPodlounge.com
http://www.ipodlounge.com/index.php/ipod-software
Kudos to the WinAmp guys for doing this though, I'll probably check it out to see how they did it.
You can do what ever you want with your iPod.
Just like zombo.com.
...for Windows iTunes users. I guess anything is better than the status quo, but I've always wondered why people even use that service. Given the choice between an onerous and costly Apple/RIAA sponsered scheme and/or downloading free MP3s et al (legal in my country - Canada) or simply buying the CDs, I just don't understand how anyone can choose the former. People apparently have noting better to waste their money on...
In any case, can someone at least tell me how iTunes fits in with Apple's hip image? It's a sign of the times, I guess - everyone get in line, don't make a stink, and make sure the music you buy is DRM'ed.
they want to steal music from friends
Dude, it's called sharing!
If your going to steal music then your going to do it anyway, since when did directory structure matter? Music isn't going to be not-stolen just because you use the iTunes software.
This is Slashdot where Google can do no evil.
So in summary, you like the way iTunes does it, others prefer how WinAmp does it, and you're VERY VERY ANGRY about it.
Mod parent up!
Uhh... no. Imagine if you will that someone buys all of their CDs and transfers them onto their harddrive and their ipod. Then their harddrive dies. When they tried to sync their ipod with a new harddrive all of their mp3s are lost. Without the ability to copy back, the ipod loses its functionality as a backup source. I fail to see how piracy is in anyway involved with anything in this process.
Okay, he did seem a little worked upo about it but I don't think I'd call that a troll or flamebait.
The real Ralph Yarro posts as Anonymous Coward. Anyone else is an impostor.
1) any iPod, if initialized using Windows (meaning it's FAT32 formatted), is a standard USB Mass Storage Device that you can plug into any windows box that supports those and start using it as a removable HDD
2) nothing prevents you from downloading your DRM-free songs from your iPod using only Windows Explorer. However, iTunes arranges all music files in 32/64/128/256 (something like that) folders named 00 through FF (in hex). So your Metallica - St.Anger tracks would be scattered in some 10 folders or so... and it's not that easy to compile the whole album by hand. iPod uses its internal database to find files. All this winamp plugin provides is a convenient way to copy files from your iPod back to your hdd by parsing through this database file and renaming files using the template specified.
This also means that you can not simply copy mp3 folder to iPod and play them... you have to update the database. This is why you have to use iTunes (or this winamp plugin or similar util) to upload music to your iPod player.
Yes, it's stupid, compared to the way iRiver players handle files and folders.
3) I've been using this plugin for about a year now, this is hardly news. I recommend NOT to use it to upload files to your iPod, it once corrupted its database and I had to erase it and copy all the music again.
4) there is also a plugin for Total Commander (my shell of choice) that provides similar functionality:
http://www.totalcmd.net/plugring/ipod.html
iTunes by default rips your Cds to non-protected m4u (AAC) or optionally, Mp3. Only tracks bought from the iTMS will be protected by default.
I think this plugin is more intended as a utility to allow people to use their iPods to carry mp3s between PCs without the rigmarole of zipping them into an archive.
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
Total Commander can see the files on the iPod using this file system plugin. (link to download may be broken, but plugin can be found elsewhere...)
;)
TC is all you really ever need, and can replace explorer quite effectively with loads of added bonuses.
I've also used a neat OS X util called Senuti (iTunes backward) to be able to copy from and to the iPod and do all sorts of other cool things.
(Next to zsh and vi, it's the cheese!)
In double blind listening tests, users could still tell who the FUCKING NERDS touting Ogg were, as if they could tell the difference.
This is what I use EphPod for. There are times when my laptop and my PC have different music sets because I bought a CD while on vacation or something. Rather than re-rip, I just download from my iPod.
Thats why I got an Archos.... NO limitations AND its a MP4 encoder/player, voice recorder and digital camera. 3.1 MegaPixil. Oh yeah, and its NOT based on that damed Windows Portable Media Center crap.
I got pissed off because the little iriver player I had woudln't let me copy mp3's off of it to my hard drive when I upgraded its firmware to a newer version. It sucked because I wanted to use it to copy music from my house to my computer up at work. I have a fast internet connection, but it is for customers and research, not downloading music or streaming shoutcasts.
I don't have a portable music player now. I just copy my stuff to CD if I want to listen to it on my computer. It's annoying, but they aren't too expensive anymore.
Why is this informative? There is a checkbox in iTunes that lets you use an iPod the same way.
I pity you fools and your shiny blue screens!
Zipping into an archive???
On Windows, enable "View Hidden Files" and you can browse, explore, and copy the music folders at you leisure. It's how I copy music from home to work.
Hahahaha!
Awesome troll there!
My Site, My Life
I'v ebeen using this since last year, and if by slashdot posting this as news this stops the progress of this plugin, I'll be bullshit. I love my iPod, but I despise iTunes, this plugin made my life so much easier, because WinAMP PWNS!
As a sworn user of Winamp since back during the 1.x, I'll defiantly d/l a copy.
Link to winamp download: http://winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=138888
My grandparents have used ml_iPod for the last two years. It's hardly new like the original post claims.
It's recently included a lot of new features, but it's hardly new.
Your wrong, it's copyright infringement.
If you believe in privacy, and believe you have "nothing to hide" at the same time, you're a goddammed idiot
yes yes, 2nd troll of the same kind I catch this week, you can look at the other here
I bet this Troll has a template =o)
I did not get the URL of a third one I read before... but these two are saved for future reference =o)
Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'
It is not theft!
Copying files is just that - copying. Why is it that people are using euphimisms to discribe copying that have absolutely nothing to do with copying in the first place
Piracy isn't good, but calling copying theft makes it even more confusing.
Explain to me why again it is wrong to rip your music off the IPod back on the computer again? What about HD crashes, or the [music] files on the computer being accidentally deleted?
If you believe in privacy, and believe you have "nothing to hide" at the same time, you're a goddammed idiot
>> fucking nerds
:-(
> I wish someone would be.
Derek, meet Bubba...
You *can* get around this if you want. They just haven't put an automatic feature in iTunes. Why?
Think, really think, about what would happen if iTunes had simple functionality to move files back onto the hard-drive.
You'd go to all your friends and plug your iPod into each of their computers. They'd plug each of their pods into yours.
Given a normal group of five friends, you would have pirated perhaps five thousand songs in the space of fifteen minutes.
No company that's actually involved in selling music can afford to make a player that transfers music off the drive as easily as iTunes transfers it on.
Remember too that my estimate is based on current library sizes... if you could do this, pretty soon everyone's library would be the size of the average iPod, which is about 30 GBs right now.
Insanity.
So in the end, this is a fairly reasonable restriction. You can actually copy the music back off if you care enough, but they're also not selling the world's single most effective piracy device which would eliminate the music market in about ten weeks.
Someone will eventually make a popular player that syncs both ways, just plug it in and go. It's going to be a fun mess.
But of course, I still have no idea WTF that means.
RETURN without GOSUB in line 1050
They speak the truth
Of course you can. It's just that some people find the fact that the filenames and subdirectories are structured to be fast and efficient for the player that keeps track info in a seperate database file, rather than easily human readable. Winamp (and indeed anything else) reads the intact header info on the files to get that for you.
There's really a sliding 'geek' scale that goes something like this:
0: doesn't care what they look like on disc, as going looking for the files directory is magic voodoo stuff.
1: annoyed that the filenames are munged up, making it useless for most purposes.
2: not that bothered, since they can work around it with the id3 tags. However, possibly irritated that they should have to anyway.
"I Know You Are But What Am I?"
The most legitimate use is for if your hard drive got erased and you don't have back ups (for what ever reason, not everyone makes backups like you). In such a situation its highly unlikely Apple will refund your money/replace all your music, but you still have the songs in your ipod. i guess it should be legal to allow you to recover them
What I love is that this plug in is far from new, I've been using it for close to a year now. I think its called research, yeah, that you know, you do before you write a news story...
Just replace the firmware with the old version, very easy on the Iriver, it's just a .hex file that lives in the root of the drive. I've hacked my IRiver to pieces and back again, worked out the addresses and op codes in the file and got it doing all sorts of fun stuff. Amazing how much fun you can have with just a hex editor and some patience. Download a copy of your previous IRiver firmware and load it in or look about on the net for the many 'customised' .hex files that are out there which solve your copy problem.
No, I'm not joking. I occasionally want voice recorder functionality, and just about everyone seems to use some proprietary format or another for their hardware -- while Speex gets compression rates with the best of them, and works on all the platforms I use.
Once upon a time I might have bought a player with Vorbis support -- but my money's gotten tighter since then, so my requirements have gone up. Where's the dedicated hardware with Speex support?
Here's the Win98 iPod USB driver that I use to get it to talk to the Winamp plugin.
Berto
the plugin works pretty good. the problem is that WimAmp sucks ass at reading id3v2.4 tags created by iTunes.
I used this product for a while last year until one sunny day my iPod refused to show me any playlists. I mounted the iPod as a disk and took a look around...sure enough the music was all still there. iTunes wouldn't see my music, the iPod wouldn't see my music...not even ml_iPod itself would see my music. ml_iPod had corrupted my iPod database.
When I tried to leave forum posts to the creator for support, he was nowhere to be found. I discovered that many other users also shared my hardships. I had to download EphPod and use its recovery features to even get the iPod to show me anything. I then had to further download Anapod Explorer and use its recovery features to recover a bunch of 'lost' music. Since that day, I have vowed to myself to never use the ml_iPod plugin again.
FWIW, I have my doubts that something like this won't happen again. Be cautious people...you're putting your iPod database at risk!
My $0.02
"I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." -- A. Whitney Brown
copy music OFF you ipod. Just like you CAN organice music easily using folders and playlists in winamp.
Sure Apple doesn't make it a default feature of iTunes. But hey, with winamp nothing seems to be default.
It's not as imposible as the iPod haters would have you belive, it's just not standart. And since when does something not being standart make it imposible?
You know what would annoy the hell out of me? Having to manually manage the music on my music player. With iTunes and a few smart playlists, it automatically puts things on there that I would be putting on there manually. (And the second purpose of this is to have a backup of your player music.)
I have smart playlists set up as such, that always synchronize with the iPod every time I connect it to the 'puter:
1) A playlist that always has the latest 2gb of music I've added to my library
2) A playlist that consists of any songs I've rated 4 or 5 stars (note that ratings carry over from either the iTunes player or via the iPod interface)
3) An "audition" playlist of a random selection of 2gb of music from my library that I haven't listened to yet (playcount = 0)
4) A playlist of all music in the dance/techno/electronic genre, for working out
5) A playlist of just jazz
Etc. What a hellish task it would be to have to manually update these categories on a non-iPod music player.
iPod is not alone. Don't forget that the real power is the iPod + iTunes combo. And I think it's pretty damn amazing.
I must have the time travel plugin also, since I've had the ipod plugin for months now...
or else!
I'm not running WinShite. Is there a version for OS X, or FC3?
I don't normally reply in this fashion to my own posts, but this is ridiculous. I just had one comment marked flaimbait and one marked redundant in the same thread. Come on man, these posts are legitimate criticism.
Marking something down simply because you happen to disagree with it doesn't even come close to fitting the moderators guidelines. You are not helping to win me over to your cause with this kind of zealotry.
TW
...there are a host of programs for extracting music from iPods. The one I prefer is iPodRip.
You can find it and the others at VersionTracker.
gtkpod has been doing this for...years! So, if AOL comes out with something that's already exsist, it's news? Wow, what is our world coming to...
3: not bothered at all; thinks id3 is the right way to do it anyway due to cross platform filename hiccoughs.
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
You can download from you iPod by doing the following:
1. Set your iPod for use as a hard drive.
2. Make the music directories on the hard drive visible (they are default hidden). You can do this by making visible the folder iPod_Control and clicking on "Apply changes to this folder, subfolders and files".
3. Set iTunes to keep your music organized (a.k.a. copy them to your hard drive).
4. Go to Files>Add Folder to Library and add the music folder on the iPod.
This may take a little time if you have lots of music, but it will only copy the music that you do not already have.
The ml_ipod plugin has been out for a while now. I'm surprised it took so long for people to notice it. I've been using to manage my Ipod mini and it works great. Its good for a lot more than copying songs to a hard drive. Its a complete iTunes replacement.
I gather that officially you are not supposed to be able to copy music off the iPod.
My question is whether that only applies to music you buy from iTunes or to all music, even stuff you legally rip yourself?
If it applies to your own MP3 collection, I'm shocked there has not been more outrage about this. What right does Apple have to restrict how you use YOUR music?!
If it does not apply to your own MP3 collection, then it appears that Apple has at least some sense, which is rare in corporate America today.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
I've been using this since I got my iPod, it's very well designed and makes transferring files from the media library a breeze. I know it's kind of a big deal that it can take files back off, but in reality I haven't found it to be particularlly useful. Using the iPod you need to have the cord with you at all times, then the end machine needs the plugin... it's doable of course... I've found my DVD burner to be faster and easier to transfer music with though.
Let me see if I get this straight, you can't afford to buy a decent MP3 player and WE'RE losers?
The revolution will NOT be televised.
Intel didn't release the Blue Man Group. They escaped on their own using an elaborate, yet pleasant sounding series of PVC-lined tunnels.
I think the real news here is that people are still using WinAmp.
Wow, that takes me back.
Don't become a regular here -- you will become retarded.
Use one of the many iTune clones, most of which are free and/or open source, which can read and write to the iPod's music database and the steps go like this:
1. Import a CD to your music library.
2. Plug in your iPod.
Amazingly, just as simple, and not tied to that nasty ol'apple guy.
Me though, for now I'll use iTunes. The only real advantage I see to not using iTunes is to be able to brag to people that I'm not using iTunes... not exactly a big selling point to me.
Sex with multiple partners really is "everything it's cracked up to be."
Yeah, I like using both hands too.
Quick, cover yourself and your house in tinfoil NOW, and stop using the internet!
Ephpod will allow windows users the same ability. get it here!
Ephpod runs pretty well under wine.
Yes I know apple doesn't include that ability in iTunes. But that just leaves opportunities open for third party apps. The RIAA can now be more at ease with Apple and can concentrate on suing their customers. I'll bet the number of people who download mp3's and don't own CD's of any music is pretty slim. Lawsuits can only make people more determined not to get caught.
There are still people that use iTurds?
Wow, it is news if people are actually using that bloatd POS.
The iPod's Music folder is hidden only in the Finder. On a Mac you can still get to it easily enough via the shell or an alternative file browser; go here:
/Volumes/[iPod's name]/iPod_Control/Music/
There are a bunch of folders with names like "F00", "F01", "F02"If you want a nice GUI tool to do this, on Mac there is "iPod Access" and "iPodRip" (both shareware), and there is the free program "gtkpod", which I use on my Linux box at work to listen to my iPod songs.
Apple really doesn't lock you out of your iPod, which is one reason why I love it! Of course, mine's HFS+ formatted; is it hard to do this on Windows?
We apologize for the inconvenience.
On installing this plug-in, it formatted my iPod, deleting all my music. And after closing Winamp and relaunching, it no longer works. Wahoo.
That's why I don't have a $500 cell phone.
I would've stuck with the Creative Nomad because it had great battery life, then it died on me. But I have to say, if you're going to carry one around the iPod has a much better form factor. The rectangular size difference is large, but it's really the depth that helps so you can keep it in your pocket. Of course, mine was closer to $250US.
What makes the price in the UK so high, the VAT?
The revolution will NOT be televised.
I've already mentioned this before, and it looks like I'm going to have to mention it again. It was not Apple's original idea to "prevent" music uploading from MP3 players, but it was the natural result of two factors:
Apple's continued "hiding" of the song files from the rest of the file system is simply legal cover to defend themselves from the RIAA. Do you really think Apple could have gotten the Music Store off the ground if the iPod more openly supported uploading?
Those who complain about affect & effect on
The search feature in windows is beautiful for this. Just go to search, point it to the removable ipod, make sure the setting to search in hidden folders is on, search the string "" *.mp3 "" and voila, it will list all the mp3's in the ipod. Now just copy all with Ctrl-A and paste it whereever u want. cheers!!!!
this seems to have become quite the in troll recently. some versions seem to have more variation from the original that others but they are generally pretty easy to recognise
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
I am sure glad that I have not given up on Slashdot...I for now will throw out all of my non-drm riddled mp3 players and get a hip (even to the anti-hip) iPod if I can really copy songs from it.
/.
Take that all you sucky competitors to Apple -- let's see me be able to copy songs of off your antiquated ugly big ole' non hip-DRM'less shells.
Next thing you guys are going to tell me is that I can actually print from my screen to some automatic ink sucking gadget....Goodbye sore hands and high pencil bills. Long live
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
"Imagine if you will that someone buys all of their CDs..."
I guess there's always the "imagine" when you don't have any real arguments...
And Ml_pod has been able to do this for well over a year. Whoop de frick. Also it takes the knowledge of turning on "Show Hidden files and folders" to copy music manually off your pod. I bought an iPod cause a friend told me they were decent players. It had a nice capacity and it connected by firewire which was helpful in my ailing USB situation. I didn't see the adverts, see celebrities wearing them or any of that. I bought it cause I wanted to listen to my music and it had a recommendation.
I don't know what all the commotion is about, and how any of you claim you cant get music off of your ipod onto your computer
/ipod_control/music to desired location. Done that's it. Heck if you're on linux its even easier you should be able to deduce the two commands needed to do the entire job... (a mount command.. and
"cp /ipod_control/music/* / -r"
.... or maybe, just maybe, I might have something here, feel free to let me know either way
but who ever thinks so is sadly mistaken... Not only can it be easily accmplished without ANY SOFTWARE AT ALL, but you can do it inside itunes, and in under 6 mouse clicks (depending on how your prefernces are set)....
If you turn on the option to have iTunes automatically copy music into your itunes music folder all you have to do is plug in your ipod, click file->add folder to library, and then browse to your ipod and add the control folder to the library... In a matter of minutes (depends on how much you have on there obv) everything will be copied physically onto your hard drive.. thats it
Suppose your on linux or windows and dont wanna use itunes for whatever reason, just make sure that hidden folders are visible and copy the folder
It really boggles my mind that people a. cant figure that out. b. complain you cant do it. and c. bother with other useless audio players (see winamp, althouh i was a HUGE winamp fan in the pre itunes days, and for music i still think its infintely better than windows media player!) or seperate utilties entirely to do it..
So either im really confused as to what you people are talking about in which case I'll go run into a wall a couple of times and force myself to watch an ep of the simple life (that should be punishment enough)
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