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MSIE To Adopt Firefox Feed Icon
An anonymous reader writes " Forbes article is reporting that Microsoft 'forthcoming Internet Explorer 7 browser will adopt Firefox's RSS feed icon, the company announced on a blog--effectively making the orange square with white radio waves the industry standard.' "
I'd like to see dupe control on Slashdot..
They look identical to mind control waves to me.
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WOW- that's embarrassing...
I really like seeing Microsoft conforming to a standard instead of attempting to create one. It may just be an icon, but it's something!
This is one of those articles that should be deleted real quick
I'm sure Microsoft has sued for less.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/15/165523 4&tid=154&tid=113&tid=95
Story is a dupe...original story can be found here.
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Open source stuff or not, I would throw a fit to stop that out of sheer general principles due to the way microsoft behaves over that crap.
After thinking a second...
IANAL but isnt the software free, but not neccesarily the artistic assets?
Only with Microsoft is it the icon that becomes the standard and not the technology. It's funny because now this "standard" will represent both Mozilla's normal RSS and Microsoft's embraced and extended RSS.
...when it was new 4 days ago.
Please read your own website, CmdrTaco...
Any copyright issues with the use of those icons?
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4 trolls a trollin' 3 goatse links 2 mods asleep, and a dupe from only 4 days ago...
Ok, time for the mods to drink from the kiddy egg nog. Lay off the stiff stuff.
Since this is a dupe, I'd like to know if anyone has any experience with decent Bluetooth PC Cards. Windows 2000 and Windows XP support is all I really need. Low power usage is definitely a plus.
I'm using various USB dongles, but they constantly get broken off or lost. A permanent addition to my cheap laptops would be great.
I had thought this was not a dupe, and in fact my time machine had worked =\... Back to the drawing board!
this is some real interesting news. stuff that matters.
... I'd prefer it if they went with Safari's blue rectangle with "RSS" written in white on it.
;-)
The "cone of spherically propagating waves" design is so overused (and mostly associated with wireless networking) and has nothing to do with RSS feeds to me.
Maybe MS got tired of copying Apple and decided to Think Different for once
Isn't that true of just about everything Microsoft does?
All your RSS are belong to us\
This article is like deja vu all over again.
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Hmmm... :)
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Is there a dupe icon in FF for slashdot to adopt?
I'm sorry Mr Monkey, you have just posted a duplicate comment.
And not just any dupe!
1) AC beates TMM
2) Broeken beates TMM
3) Weenis beates TMM
4) Junky191 beates TMM
So what do we call your post? A quintadupe? I hope you're asking for a new subscription for christmas!
Seriously - so what if Slashdot posts the odd dupe - its not like they can post what 20 odd links a day without occasionally covering the same ground.
And I for one like to see the odd story revisited...
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In typical Microsoft style, they'll probably change a few pixels making their version of the logo completely incompatible with the industry standard logo.
Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
IE And Mozz Collaborate On RSS Icon *sigh*...do the editors even read this site anymore?
Wait, what are we talking about again? WHY does there need to be a standard RSS feed icon anyway? =p
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If karma was scored for stories, cmdrtaco would be posting at -1 ATM
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Slashdot to adopt all previous stories.
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An anonymous reader writes " Forbes article is reporting that the Slashdot website will adopt The new Digg.com dupe system, the website announced on a blog--effectively making the duping of stupid articles a standard practice in the tech news industry."
It's great they didn't feel the need to DUPElicate efforts!
So close and yet so far from the world's perfect ID number
Now, back in the day, they ran this site as a standard tech blog, not really making any money off it. Just a side hobby. However, when it got purchased, and the popularity really flew off, the Slashdot team discovered they didn't actually need to work anymore.
Now personally, if I'd discovered that what was a fun hobby now fed and clothed me, and there was practically no work involved, would I spend as long as possible on it, carefully checking each thing?
Of course not, that would invalidate the whole point. Instead, I'd look through the titles and occasionally the summaries of submitted stories, and let through whichever ones sounded vaguely interesting. Then I'd spend all my free time and money pissing around, and relaxing.
I don't hold it against them, Slashdot still works, we still get good comments, and damn, I'd do exactly the same thing.
Kudos to you, Taco and the rest of the gang! Live the dream! I know I would...
/. should follow suit and commit to a standard duped-article icon. This way, those outcasted and humilated articles can display their mark of shame right on the front page!
Microsoft and Firefox agree on standard "dupe" icon!
If only there was a technology that the editors could use that would show them a list of current Slashdot stories prior to posting... A real-time feed of some sort would be nice.
What I don't understand is people who post "DUPE" after it's already been posted 50 times.
Slow typists, I guess.
I've had plenty of the christmas spirit today (actually a couple of bottles of wine (blanc et rouge) rather than spirits, with the traditional turkey)
WILL YOU STOP IT WITH THE DUPLICATE ARTICLL;ES PLEASE
Thanks,
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PS. Fx me that word=in=the image thing is hard.
Another great innovation from Microsoft.
How do they press charges though?
Well, if you're going to post duplicate stories you might as well post duplicate comments...
Is it the fact that Forbes covered this or just the fact that you thought we forgot? It's bad enough that I constantly watch /. for the next story, but when it's a dupe... you're *really* wasting my time now.
Now I feel like a super-shab for having my "Google announces m.gmail.com gmail access from mobile devices" story rejected. http://www.google.com/glm/gmail
I hope IE7 will adopt the "dupe" standard from slashdot. That way they don't have to reinvent the wheel and confuse users with multiple "dupe" standards.
You have a point there, but could you please elaborate on this? We all have our opinions on Microsoft's handling of things, and though they generally conclude the same thing, it's still not a bad idea to tell us in great lines what exactly is the problem.
Where's the slashdot dupe icon for both?
I mainly use Safari.
There isa blue icon with white letters RSS on it in the URL component (at the right edge).
I can't get why everything needs to be an icon?
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So the story ran twice. Big fat deal. We all slip from time to time. Big Media papers print retractions all the time; (the ones they catch, at any rate).
Slashdot is SOOOOO much better than almost any Big Media news outlet you might point to; their agenda and editorial biases aren't designed to suck up to their ad clients or to advance the forces of evil through the spread of government and corporate propaganda. Yeah, they make mistakes from time to time, and they avoid touching directly the really hot issues, but they do a good job of walking a fine and dangerous line; they allow for open and honest discussion among their readers where the editors themselves would be hog-tied for even suggesting an opinion.
So give a little slack, guys.
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Mozilla Firefox is released under the GPL license and, as such, its copyright content is governed accordingly. For Microsoft to take and, it would appear, try to appropriate the icon used by Firefox, is a violation of the license granted in the GPL, unless Microsoft conforms to the license. GPL I.E.? I expect not. But then it might be the only way that POS would improve (besides Microsoft taking other people's property for its own).
Of course, this was duped on Digg too. But their story rating system took it off the front page quickly.
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You will need IE8 service pack 1a to view the icon.
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2005-12-15 16:29:46 Standarized RSS Icon For Mozilla and IE 7 (Developers,Mozilla) (rejected)
Just reading over the front page, Gmail for mobile use? I read that 3 days ago on Digg. I think that my old "tech news" place has just become outdated. I mean seriously, I find most of the links I'm interested in on digg, and then 1-3 days later, it appears here.
Soon, we will have stories about a three pound apple notebook, hackers changing election results and I can't wait until Slashdot see that Bill Gates was named person of the year by Time Magazine, imagine the page refreshes on that one topic alone.
Nah, I hate to say it, but its Slashdot, Old news, Nothing Matters now.
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Last week called, it wants its story back!!
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WTF is everyone's problem with 'dupes'? I think I can feel a palpable geek ecstasy from the collective egotism of pointing out the dupe. Yes, you're all better than Monsier Taco, because you can identify a 'dupe'. Get over yourselves.
I think they misspelled assimilate
VERY true.
Ahh, their just too lazy to get up and draw their own... We all know that feeling....
Hej, let's publish this icon under, you know, that viral, cancer-like, mind-destroying GPL license. Before they know, they'll have to open up IE. But wait, isn't it bundled into something? Oops, do I see GNU IE running on GNU Windows?
Most recently, I downloaded Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition. I dabbled in MFC/Visual C++ for a couple of years of my career, and I like keeping up on the latest technology, good or bad. I had read a review of Visual Studio .NET, and I was from the opinion of a former MFC/Visual C++ user--which convinced me to stay away from the MS development products for a while.
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The interface was confusing for someone who generally liked the old Visual Studio interface. So, I did what any newbie would do. I started a new project. The whole C++/CLI additions threw me off:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/homepageheadlin
more on C++/CLI:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/05/02/Pu
Something smells here. I just can't qualify it... this is C++?
static Point^ operator+(Point^ a, Point^ b);
This site model does work reasonably well, assuming you have some conscious editors behind it. When did our esteemed /. gatekeepers become the equivalent of Jack Elrod and Johnny Hart from the comics page, coasting on their few laurels and not paying much attention?
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
They'll find some way to make it evil, or claim ownership. It's in their genes.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Shouldn't there be a "Dupe" category for these kinds of articles?
They should be slapped. I submitted a very interesting story about Google using MySQL a few days ago and they does it show up? No... but they dupe a very UNINTERESTING story... figures.
This just in! 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the population.
Yeah, that'll send MS a message! Specifically, "we're more interested in annoying you just for the sake of being contrary, rather than doing something that will benefit people!"
Come on, at least TRY to be professional.
This is a nice bit of cooperation between MS and OSS. I'd like to think the positive reaction to this would support the idea that MS should consider working much more with Mozilla.
To the point of basically moving on to Mozilla-based tech in their browser.
Why not?
We have all to gain. The last thing MS needs to worry about is updating IE. Mozilla is already there, and where not, getting there quickly, openly, and fairly.
Microsoft could compete as effectively in a Mozilla-browser based world as in any attempts at IE lock-in.
Representatives of giant Microsoft's Redmond, Wash.-based IE7 team took a vacation in California on the company dime, pretending to have intense negotiations over using part of a GPL'ed product
Can't we all just get a long ...... ?
OSGGFG - Open Source Gamers Guide to Free Games
...will stand for "Really Stupid Standardization"?
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If it happens, Taco, post a story about it, because it'll be bigger news than most of the shit you post.
I'm pretty sure my money's safe.
No, it's C++/CLI, an ECMA-standardized extension to C++ for CLI (aka
Of course, you can still write normal C++ with VC++ (and if you don't want to use
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This is old news, not new news. I'm writing characters so that Slashdot allows me to post this commend immediately. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ....
> OTOH I don't know if VC++ still lets you compile non-.NET applications).
Yes, I believe you can still compile non-.NET--to the extent that you can always incorporate other DLLs/libs. You can even enforce ANSI C++ via compiler settings. Of course, if you're looking to write a good, moderately portable C++ program--there's no help from MS. Of course, the Java debacle, Microsoft's Frontpage Extensions bloat, etc. proved that.
"The next Slashdot story is visible early to free day pass visitors."
Or you can go back a few days and read it when it was originally posted.
I used to have a subscription here, but I'll be damned if I give Slashdot any more money till their editors start doing their jobs. I'm blocking ads too. Oooh.
This is about as relevant as Firefox using CTRL-C, CTRL-V, and CTRL-X
This was also on Slashdot last week, they're just reposting it for guys like you who missed the first iteration
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There is no other news to report today, so we're going to report a news story about an Icon because anything involving microsoft is big news to the linux loving crowd of slashdot.
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If you've turned off all of Zonk's postings.
CmdrTaco, do you want to admit something???
When MSIE 7 comes out the marketing department will announce how they have invented the break through idea tabbed browsing and implementation of RSS feeds and the associated icons. Thanks to Microsoft for leading the way in the internet experience.
...it's a really bad dupe of a story that doesn't matter. At all. To anyone. Come on, it's like an 8x8 pixel icon for a feature that your average clueless user doesn't even understand. The day IE has less vermin craling through it than a NYC sewer pipe I'll be interested in a story about it. At no time will I be interested in a story about a little orange icon.
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It was posted here a day or so after it reached digg, this is just the dupe.
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Was anyone else really annoyed by the extreme bias imparted with the opening sentence ?
"Its just one minor battle in a war it likely won't win, but Mozilla's Firefox has tasted victory--and it is little and orange"
Sounds like someone who sees Firefox as a small upstart instead of the serious competetor that it is. Either that, or a MS Shill. (I'm more likely inclined to say that its someone who's not very in tune with technology)
Comments?
And Netscape didn't mangle HTML? I think MSFT are just part of a long tradition in that regard.
i thought radio waves were orange, and the ether was white. Didn't any one follow the Michelson/Morley experiment????
Kenneth, what is the f'n dupe icon?
Managed C++ isn't really C++, it's just CLI using C++ syntax (with other stuff as well).
You can still compile standard, binary C++ applications in VC++ 2005, with or without MFC. It's also very standard conforming (though it doesn't support C99 from what I know, but then again few people really seem to care).
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Very true. Every HTML reference has to have NS2, NS3, NS4, IE2, ... IE6, WebTV, Opera, and whether or not an attribute is valid for any of the above.
However, I will still blame Microsoft. Microsoft published that worthless excuse for a web site building app... Frontpage. By the time you realized it was worthless, your pages were so hopelessly bloated with MS Frontpage tags... () Those tags took up a third of the space if you were looking at a website that used MS Themes.
There is an inherent side-effect to making something that is naturally complex more accessible: the discipline involved in skilled craftmanship gets watered down by the masses who can now magically build:
I have no doubt in my mind that dupes like this one are pure and simple FLAMEBAITS on the parts of the editors.
/.er.
Come on guys, they're sick and tired of hearing your complaints about duplicate news stories. Why waste your time complaining about them? If you've read it or if its a dupe, you're still going to check the comments at the very least and see if some better insight has been typed out by a fellow
If I were an editor and saw how quickly all your panties got in a twist with a simple reposting of information, I would do it just as much as they do.
On a personal note: I see them more as forum "bumps" than mistaken duplicates.
Microsoft adopts the RSS icon, they then create their own raft of extensions (embrace and extend) to RSS and add them feverishly to IE and convince everyone that their RSS is the standard one. Afterall, they use the right logo, right?
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MS seems to be borrowing items like the OS X 'busy' icon, and rounded-corners on windows (with metal/candy effects).
Such flattery.
I'd like to see dupe control on Slashdot..
I'd like to see dupe control on Slashdot..
Representatives Spike and Brutus, of giant Microsoft's Redmond, Wash.-based IE7 team, took a business trip - complete with their beloved baseball bats - down to tiny Mozilla's Mountain View, Calif. offices to deliver the news of Microsoft's latest image acquisition...
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So, what's the icon for Atom feeds then, if that one's allegedly for RSS ones?
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
I mean we have dupes here. A dime a dozen. What about tripes? I think we should make a sport of scoring tripes.
Here's the deal:
Whenever you notice a dupe, modify the Bulletin a little and submit it.
If every slashdot user does this we'll have a nice lineup of users-enforced tripes in no time.
We could even maybe aim for real quads. Maybe we have some allready?
At least then this dupe thing would get a new twist and we'd add some fun and interactivty to it.
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http://yro.slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20051119
They were posted back to back, by two different editors, in the same section.
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So where is this supposed orange radio waves icon in firefox? Mine has the blue box with white letters saying "RSS". Did they change it in 1.5 or something?
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Dupe Dupe Dupe.
Dupe Dupe dupe dupe, dupe dupe dupe. Dupe dupe? Dupe.
The IE v7 Blog
Apparently the next Outlook version will be using the same icon.
welcome our new Firefox loving RSS Icon using overlords.
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Can somebody explain it to me how this is a dupe?
I've seen the previous article too. That one was about IE team getting together with FF team to collaborate on the RSS icon. This article is about the result of the collaboration: IE team agreed to adapt FF's RSS icon.
While this result may be trivial, it could've been that they didn't reach an agreement on the icon, or they could've even created a new one.
This article is the result of the actions that were described in the previous article. I don't see how this is dupe.
One of the key changes is an article submission sandbox. Not as open as Digg but not as closed as /. Basically editors would still select stories but they would modded up or down prior to being posted, again by an editor, to the mainpage.
Or you could have users approve stories democratically. This is the approach of Scoop sites such as K5 and K6.
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There isa blue icon with white letters RSS on it in the URL component (at the right edge).
Are you sure it doesn't say "ASS"? bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261354
I want the logo changed to a burning IE logo.....and then petition MS to make good on their word to "create an industry standard." Then I would be impressed.
I read that 3 days ago on Digg.
But were the comments at Digg any good?
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All the complaints about the dupe, yet I can't see anything to answer the obvious question raised by TFA:
"While the software is free, it is now managed by the Mozilla Corporation, a for-profit organization established in August."
Did I miss something here?
So, are they going to pay a licence fee for use of the Firefox icon? ;) I know, it isn't like that, but I'm sure if it were the other way around, M$ would be screaming to the courts over copyright infringement.
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