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Ubuntu 6.06 'Dapper Drake' Released
BBSeXoDuS writes "Ubuntu Dapper Drake has been finally been released. Run on over to the download site while it's still hot. From the announcement: 'Ubuntu 6.06 LTS introduces functionality that simplifies common Linux server deployment processes. For system administrators setting up large numbers of web, mail and related servers, Ubuntu 6.06 LTS offers the fastest and most consistent path to deployment, combined with the availability of global commercial support where needed.' "
It is... *sniffs delicately*... brown?
OK, we got the post of "almost" released, and I was waiting for the "released" post!
Anyway, I moved to the 6.06 RC from Breezy 5.10 and it was smooth. My laptop is loving the new Network Manager and updated Xorg with Gnome 2.0. It is a very nice package. I think Ubuntu will be on the forefront of competitive alternative OS's to Windows, especially if Vista keeps slipping!
To convince your friends to try it, order 10 PC-edition CD's delivered at your door for free and give them away to people mildly interested.
It's live-CD installer style. Will probably impress many.
https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
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It should go pretty smoothly! I was actually impressed, since Linux and "smoothly" are not used in the same sentence very often, that is, until now!
So what software versions are supported by Dapper out of the box? Theres Gnome 2.14, Xorg 7?
Anyone know of a list?
For those of you dreading a long, drawn-out upgrade process, Ubuntu can upgrade using update-manager from many previous Debian builds. It's a seamless transition that can run in the background while you continue to work. One (count 'em) reboot is required, and you're done.
Congrats to the Dapper team.
At last it is on Slashdot. I've been refreshing the front page all day:) And no, I am not a sad sad geek. Ok, maybe a little:)
I have been running it on my dell b120 for a week with no problems
I already fill my functionality needs with RHEL and CentOS but it would be nice if this release of ubuntu could perform the same tasks (plus comercial support) and on top of that "looks good" and is easy to use. This will surely raise the bar even higher than already set by Fedora5.
The best test environment is production. - Me
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Bother. I just installed Ubuntu a few days ago. Now I'll have to test its upgrade procedure :-)
:-)
I've been tracking Dapper since flight 3, its as easy as:
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -yqq dist-upgrade
(and wait)
Alternatively, you could just boot & wait - the updater will update everything in the background for you
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As a Dapper user since before it was cool I'd like to warn everyone using Apple products, especially iBooks and other slightly more supported hardware, against upgrading just yet. A severe bug was introduced having to do with the ATI cards in laptops on May 29 that causes persistant systems freezes. (Why would you upgrade all of xorg two days before release?) The errors are unrecoverable and require a system reboot. There hasn't been much in the way of response, as everyone seems to be celebrating the release of Dapper.
More information can be found in the forums and launchpad.net.
What if the entire Universe were a chrooted environment with everything symlinked from the host?
After installing dapper, I highly reccommend grabbing easyubuntu - it's a little package to get mp3s, wmvs, flash, java, crappy non-free nvidia/ati drivers etc all automagically installed.
Takes one of the niggles out of ubuntu.
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Hmm, the servers seem to be a bit... slow for some reason. Even mcs.anl.gov. That says something!
Heh, I'm sitting here on my laptop at USENIX, waiting for the talk to start. How many of you out there are doing the same?
More useful information for geeks... although the support is indeed the real news.
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/releasenotes/606
I actually managed to fully upgrade from breezy (5.10) to dapper (6.06) without having to wipe the system. Of all the distros I have tried I have never used (IMHO) one that had such a painless upgrade process for major revisions.
They are doing a really great job on this.
Upgraded from latest Breezy to Dapper earlier today. Only had to download 594MB of archives, and it took 95 minutes in total (download+unpacking/configuring).
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Thanks but I plan to let the servers cool down for a few days before I hit them.
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Having used Dapper for the last few months as a desktop user, I can say its a pretty neat system, but carries a few flaws. It boots far quicker than Breezy, seems to close down faster as well, has a smartend orange look (albeit resembling Vista a little but dumping that uniform Brown look for good), while the new shutdown dialog is quite cool. It remains the free easy-to-use distro of choice, at least for me.
So what sucks? SAMBA's graphical configuration is still useless for setting up Linux-Windows shares. The new Gnome Screensaver actually seems a retrograde step, losing RSS, per-screensaver settings and several popular XScreensaver hacks - supposedly in the name of ease-of-use. I can imagine users will fall over themselves with hacks to get XScreensaver working again.
Simply use Update Manager. 5.10 will say that the new release 6.06 is now available, with a button that will download an upgrade tool that will handle the repository and package transitions plus the postinstall stuff for you in a safe manner. If you've been running a 6.06 beta, just download any new package updates. If you've updated the beta in the last two days, you're basically already running 6.06 LTS.
Alternate (amd64)
Alternate (i386)
Alternate (powerpc)
Desktop (amd64)
Desktop (i386)
Desktop (powerpc)
Server (amd64)
Server (i386)
Server (powerpc)
If you're running a 6.06 beta, you don't have to do anything. Boot up, log in & wait for the update manager to let you know its finished updating.
If you're running 5.10 (or earlier), the short, easy instructions are available here - cli instructions are:
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i386
amd64
powerpc
p.s. you're getting the Dekstop version here. Described thus on the download page:
It's no more brown ! It's orange ! There is even a Dapper Car ! Of course, this was before! If you look closely, you will see that the car has 4 wheels. This is not true anymore as we are now all using flying cars.
BTW, there's even Ubuntu in Belgium now...
Ploum.net.
You should be able to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list without any trouble. Change all instances of "breezy" to "dapper". Do an apt-get update and then an apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade.
Yeah, I actually installed Breezy for the first time... Yesterday.
However, I'm sure the upgrade process is pretty smooth for people who haven't mucked around in things yet. =)
I'm quite happy about this upgrade, because I hear that there is greatly increased Mac PPC support (wifi, sound, etc.) Maybe it'll help with the heat issue I'm having as well...
This would surely help in these early days, when everything you need can be downloaded at one time, via bittorrent.
Mmmmm, Burberry windows :-D
Congrats to Ubuntu and all the ubuntu-folk, however the only thing that's going to REALLY put a dent in windows is being AHEAD of the game, and that would mean XGL and compiz long before Vista comes out. And no txt file hacking in the terminal, either...... Just drag and drop or install automagically.
When is Linux going to be AHEAD of the other OSes? All my average-joe friends would switch now if XGL and compiz came pre-installed!
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Will my wireless G with WPA-PSK work on the liveCD? I've got a Dell 600m....I hate having to go upstairs and hook into the wired internet to be able to do anything.
The package isn't a real program. It's a meta package to group other packages together. It's best use is allowing you to change between ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu and edubuntu.
:)
There's no harm in removing that package (even though it's not very user friendly and doesn't tell you)
On the plus side though, Firefox 1.5.0.3 is already installed!
Ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package - it installs default ubuntu desktop components. It doesn't have to be there, inless you are using a development version and wish to follow changes to the defaults as they are made. You can happily remove it if you need to.
Ubuntu Desktop is just a metapackage. It's safe to remove and will not affect anything. I stumbled on that one, too.
[RIAA] says its concern is artists. That's true, in just the sense that a cattle rancher is concerned about its cattle.
ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage that has dependencies to basically all desktop apps that are installed by default in Ubuntu (so that for example if you do a minimal install you can later on just do a "desktop installation" later on very easily (e.g. sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop). So you can remove ubuntu-desktop safely and everything will work just fine (which you would find out also if you read the package description of gnome-desktop).
Also, one particularly useful feature I've found with ubuntu/debian package handling is in cases where you need/want a slightly newer version of an application that's not yet available in the repositories with the version you want, you can do "sudo apt-get build-dep foobar" and then very easily compile your foobar yourself without having to worry about finding every header package that you need for compiling the app (something I find incredibly annoying on e.g. RHEL). Also, you can for most of the time install debian unstable packages as well if you're very impatient with getting packages not yet available for ubuntu.
Do you still have to run the automatix script in order to getr all the media codecs, etc?
if (!signature) { throw std::runtime_error("No sig!"); }
Red Hat drops their free version of Red Hat Linux. They had mind-share. They owned the grass roots Linux movement. They created a huge void.
:)
Debian is plugging along quietly producing a great, but somewhat difficult to use (for newbies and non-unix geeks) distro. Ubuntu comes along, works closely with the Debian project to produce a polished version. Now, we're back to the good old days of Linux
Red Hat *really* screwed-up, but I'm glad that Debian and Ubuntu have filled the void as they'll never pull a stunt like RH did.
I understand the major.minor.patch system. It makes sense to me. But I've always wondered what numbers like "6.06" are supposed to mean. Do we ignore leading zeros (i.e. 6.6 - 6th release of version 6)? Are we supposed to assume a separator (i.e. 6.0.6 - 6th bugfux of version 6)? Or is this a different system of some kind altogether? It's not just Ubuntu - Opera (and others) do this too.
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This is great. I've been waiting for this. Now what is the best way to upgrade my two FC4 machines and one RH9? Can I install over top without any sort of reformatting?
I'm generally amazed at how easy it is to get things working under Linux, so I'm
interested to know what things prevent you from having a "smooth" experience with
Linux.
Care to embellish your original post?
*sigh* back to work...
apt-get dist-upgrade is better for upgrading between releases. It can handle situations where new dependencies have been added or old dependencies removed. apt-get upgrade is good for upgrades where dependencies don't change (like getting security updates for the stable release).
Nice rant, anyway.
Well, I switched to Dapper Drake from Breezy Badger on April 14th. Breezy Badger had run flawless the entire time since it was released up until April 6th.. I then recieved an i915 irq wait error where X would crash and wouldn't come back up without a reboot. This would repeat itself every couple of days, and all the information I could find on it said that it was fixed in the kernel in January of 2005 by the Ubuntu devs. With no explanation of what caused the issue and with it already having been "resolved" 16 months before by the same team who produced my distro, I decided to switch to the (then) alpha of Dapper Drake. I haven't had the problem since.
This release is the most polished and the nicest version "out of the box" that the Ubuntu team has ever released. It's a fantastic distro and one that has worked amazingly well since the alpha versions with one major glaring exception. The printing subsystem is a giant leap backwards . Cups 1.2 seems to be a large part of the problem, with the Ubuntu/Gnome print manager as the the other part. I've lost my ability to print in duplex mode which worked in Warty, Hoary, and Breezy. Print jobs now print one page at a time (rather than one continuous feed), like it's sending a 30MB per page document to the printer. Some printers don't work at all anymore. We have a Cannon ImageRunner at work that you could identify as a "LaserJet 6". I've tried every which way to get that think to work (including trying different printer models and/or drivers) and print jobs will just spool indefinitely. Right click on a printer and go to properties and it takes 7-8 seconds with 100% CPU utilization before it opens (1-2 seconds with normal load under Breezy). I don't see how this made it out the door with the printing subsystem in this state.
Hopefully for others sakes, I'm just surrounded by the 4 or 5 models of HP and Cannon printers that suck with this version of Ubuntu and it's not a widespread issue. It's a huge disappointment and one that I hope they can fix in the coming months. Since this is my work machine, I was very excited about the 3 years of support on the desktop and I wanted to stick with this version of Linux for quite some time. Without a fix to these printing issues, it's going to be painful.
I have a laptop with a Broadcom 4306 and my AP is set for WPA-PSK (TKIP) and it works great with the new Network Manager (there were a couple of very minor gotchas that resolutions to are in the forums). The cool thing is that it now does WPA personal, enterprise (PEAP, LEAP, etc.), and WPA2, so it is ahead of Windows on this one.
You might want to verify your card is supported (there is also ndiswrapper to use windows drivers but it is a lot more hands-on) before installing, however. Hey, if they can do Broadcom's, they should be able to figure out anything.
[RIAA] says its concern is artists. That's true, in just the sense that a cattle rancher is concerned about its cattle.
Automatix has not been ported to Dapper yet. Use BUMPS. Its is simple and just works.
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"Just try and remove any application using their package manager."
I have removed apps several times on my Ubuntu-machine, and I haven't seen this problem you describe. Am I missing something here?
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It's a metapa... no, just kidding, I know many people have already said that. However, if you look at the description of ubuntu-desktop (rather than just going "aah! stopit!" and reaching for a Windows CD) then it does tell you that it is not, in fact, the entire desktop.
I do recall a time once when Ximian Red Carpet (remember that, RPM fans?) decided to remove libc and everything that depended on it when I ugraded Galeon.
That wasn't fun.
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Automatix is also highly talked about similar to easyubuntu but if you compare the features in easyubuntu.
Pick for yourself but after trying ubuntu and the multimedia fiasco trust me and WMF, you will want one of these.
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I know I may be hacked to pieces for asking this but here I go.... since I don't have a broadband connection to upgrade my previous version of Ubuntu (dial up is OUT of the question), is other way to upgrade to the new Ubuntu? By the way I installed it on a HP Pavillion ZE4300 and it worked like a charm!!!! If this keeps going I'm seriously thinking of dumping Windows and give it a good "vista" of the recycle bin :)
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.deb package) I end up trying to build and install the source code. This rarely "just works". This is the biggest pain in the ass. I am a software engineer and am quite familar with makefiles and compilers, etc. But sometimes after a long day of solving problems I just want to come home and not have a fight with my Linux box. There are several software apps that looked cool as a moose, but I couldn't get them to build and install from source.
Just could not get the DRI drivers to work right under Breezy 5.10, until about a month ago when Breezy released an Xorg update, then things went smoothly. Under Dapper things are even better, woooo hooo!
Wi-Fi
Wireless and wired networking was flaky. Was constantly dropping to a term session to restart or reconfigure networking. The manual setup for WPA access points sucked. All is forgiven in Dapper, since the new network manager rocks!
Sound
Could not get Breezy to record sound from my line-in at all. This sucked. Haven't tried this yet on Dapper
DVD
Playing DVDs was a bitch to figure out way back when (when I was a real newbie). Ripping DVDs on the other hand still sucks. DVD rip is cool, but combining ripped tracks into one new DVD title then burning back to a disc just doesn't work under linux. DVDAuthor is the best thing I have seen, but it doesn't work and is a pain to use, even the GUI for it, QDVDAuthor, sucks.
Windows Programs
I have several applications in Windows that I just need to run. I bought Crossover Office from codeweavers and this gets me several programs that I need, but falls short. Granted, this is a bit outside the scope, but it gets honorable mention.
Automount
Settings in my fstab file just get ignored. I have a FAT32 partition that I use to share crap between my Windows NTFS boot and my Linux boot. I added all the appropriate settings to fstab, but Gnome (or whoever) still mounts the FAT32 partition as read-only even though I commanded it to allow user mounts and RW mode.
Installing Any Application From Source
Since many applications out there only exist in source code (i.e. no
It is also worth mentioning that I started reacquainting myself with Linux about a year or so ago after abandoning Red Hat in the late 90's. Back in the 90's Linux was a real pain in the ass, hell getting my printer to do anyting back then before CUPS was like brain surgery... So I still have the stigma here and there. I have said this before, and I will say it again. Linux is today what Windows 95/98 was back when it came out, that is, for the most part things work, but every now and then you have to fight with something in a terminal window. I think the next 5 years will bring Linux to level that makes Windows look like a costly alternative to Linux, rahter than the view of Linux as a free alternative to Windows.
You are indeed missing something. The same CD now doubles as both an installation CD and a live CD. What's more, unlike ordinary Debian, the packages are right there on the CD; so you don't need a working internet connection just to install it.
Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
.torrent files are on all the mirrors. Well seeded and screaming fast right now.
No need to wait!
That said, I will be trying Dapper Drake and hoping for the best.
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.-TJ
I tried installing Dapper on an external firewire drive about a month ago and it couldn't finish install (couldn't install bootloader). I found out this was a known issue.
Is it possible that this has been fixed? I want to give Linux a real world try by seeing if I can do my job in it for a week or so but I have a laptop with precious little space on my internal drive.
i read the review posted under vista yesterday. it appears easy if you know all the commands. (like on windows and finding icons) my eyes glazed over when i read a bunch of small text, sudo apt-get... it feels like i just have to *know* the name of an app when i want to upgrade something. at least with icons i can search around until i find what i need.
i am willing to give this new one a shot. can i just fire up the hedgehog and update? does broadcom wireless work under the new AMD64 build? if i could get wireless to work quickly i would start using this OS.
always mosh clockwise
Dunno. I'm upgrading via Synaptic, and it's pulling down at about the max my DSL can handle.
Program Intellivision!
I don't have the one from today, but downloaded a live CD last week. Couldn't install it on the drive trying to do a manual partition because the partition editor was broken. Was this remedied in the last week? Did anyone else see this problem?
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Yes, there are lots of things that are easy to get running on Linux. Getting a LAMP webserver setup takes minutes. A samba server is a quick and easy way to interact with a windows network. I've found lots of tools that are cheaper and easier to use in Linux than they are in windows, that's why I have a Linux desktop, but there are certainly enough challenges for it to be a bit disconcerting.
Yeah Ubuntu is smooth as butter. Have been using it since Hoary and never reinstalled or had problems with it. To upgrade I just always did "apt-get dist-upgrade"
I've at least a dozen of original Ubuntu 5.04 CD-s over I've been giving to friends, family and so on.
:(
I was pretty excited since this is the first Linux distro that I could just boot and it gives me internet connectivity, nice true color desktop, firefox, irc and so on and so on right out of the box, without me touching anything.
It was relatively intuitive to use too.
Now however I downloaded the 6.06 ISO and it won't even run here anymore. It just run it, it shows the cursor and get stuck there forever.
I hope the next releases work better
(my system btw: Celeron 3GHz, 1GB RAM, Audigy 2, GeForce 4MX)
>> What's more, unlike ordinary Debian, the packages are right there on the CD; so you don't need a working internet connection just to install it.
You are wrong. Also Debian's installer CDs have the packages right there on the CD; in this respect Debian is just like Ubuntu. And both Debian and Ubuntu want to fetch the latest security updates from the Net right after installation -- so you're wrong also there. :-P
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -yqq dist-upgrade
As easy as that, huh?
I just don't understand why Linux has not caught on with non-technical folks.
Well, Ubuntu, as Windows, has a graphical update manager, called synaptic. You should change the repositories it uses from breezy to dapper. By the way, this is not doable in Windows, not without the not-so-quick-and-easy way of buying the upgrade, inserting the CD/DVD, and updating from there. This is not just "Windows Update".
"I think it would be a good idea!"
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What? Ubuntu isn't mature enough to use its official logo on slashdot? We have to use Debian instead? (disclaimer: this is in no way negative toward Debian. Debian is great, fine, etc, etc.) Someone get the logo updated.
Indeed. The command line is hard! (For most people, not for me...) There is however no reason that they couldn't add this as a cron-job in the default install.
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Well most people will have to update their apt-get sources.list. This is how:
/etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_bkup
/etc/apt/sources.list
Change your sources.list to reflect the sources.list as shown on [WWW] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666:
sudo cp
Then:
sudo wget http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d6666 -O
Save the file and then type this in a terminal:
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y
Yes, as easy as that. Given that you're updating an entire operating system plus all the applications, I don't see how much easier it should be. Plus, this is possible also from a GUI, with synaptic.
The OP left out the part in which you modify the package repositories list to point to dapper instead of previous releases, though.
"I think it would be a good idea!"
Gandhi, about Internet Security
As much as I'm drooling at the prospect of upgrading to Dapper (Kubuntu), I can't understand why they keep pushing Adept as a package manager. Using the version shipped with 5.10, it seems like a defanged Synaptic...without the ability to see what files are installed with packages (which is helpful when you're trying to troubleshoot). Has Adept improved since then?
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Please, it's not as if theres any need or reason for rivalry.
Both can co-exist, and it's only childish coments such as these that encourage the rabid fanboyism that this community suffers from.
Well, for Kubuntu, the process is easy. Go to webpage, read instructions, change "breezy" to "dapper" in the GUI package manger (Adept), click "Apply", then "Full Upgrade" then "Commit changes". When download/install is complete, reboot.
Compared to the process for Windows major version upgrades, its actually a lot simpler. Unless the Vista->XP upgrade process is better than any previous Windows upgrade I've seen, quicker and probably far more reliable, too.
We need the cooperation of the video card companies. The only thing preventing what you describe is the lack of a Free Software driver for nvidia/ati cards.
I'm not sure about this, but it might be possible to reverse-engineer the proprietary drivers to see what they do, and build a Free Software driver based on that.
Compromising the principles of our community just to get more people into our community is pointless, though.
Call me a lazy windows user
:-)
Yes, I will - 'cause you didn't finish reading my post:
Alternatively, you could just boot & wait - the updater will update everything in the background for you
Oh, and upgrading between major releases of windows has always needed physical media as far as I can tell, no updating via windows update for you!
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funniest thing i've seen all day. An I live in Texas
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I don't know. I installed Dapper a few days ago just to check it out, and while it's much better than Suse 10.1 for hardware support, I still use FC5 because, out of the box ALL my hardware (LS120 etc) work correctly without any voodoo rituals. I just couldn't get the hardware support from Dapper that FC5 gives.
I just don't understand why Linux has not caught on with non-technical folks.
I gave technical advice for a technical forum. Here's how you do it if you're non-techie:
1) Boot.
2) Go to update manager. It will tell you there's a new release.
3) Choose upgrade.
Can you tell me any other operating system that's easier to upgrade between major releases? I seriously fucking doubt it.
Looking over your comments history, I'd say you deserve my nickname more then I do (have you read my diary yet?)
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Friggin' XP asked for a reboot yesterday after installing the genuine windows advantage check whatever " critical update." WTF? XP might be ready for the desktop, but it's almost ready to be hurled against a hard surface too.
The world is made by those who show up for the job.
The Update Manager should automatically notify the user when a new release is available. You can either wait for its daily check or launch it from the "Administration" menu and click "Check". It will then notify you that there is a new release available, you click "upgrade" and it downloads and upgrades everything. I'm in the middle of downloading the upgrade right now (its a 700 MB download which is going to take close to two hours to download on my connection), but from what I've heard, the upgrade from breezy to dapper is um a breeze.
:)
I somehow doubt that Windows' automatic updates will get you to Vista quite as easily
I haven't checked but it seems likely that mozilla-firefox is filling a dependency for a virtual package called like "web-browser" or something. The system wants a browser so that it can handle web content. Anyway, the solution was just to leave the old one alone and install your own firefox to /usr/local until the one in the OS was updated, which usually doesn't take very long at all.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
One dead machine. I'm burning a rescue CD whilst typing this, should be able to get it back by removing anything to do with PCMCIA. But still, you get the level of annoyance.
Cheers,
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What is the official way for those with a pathological fear of the command line and/or a fixation on doing everything via the GUI ?
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
The MANUAL GUI way to do this (the update-manager will do it automatically) is to run the "Synaptic Package Manager", click on the update or refresh or whatever it is button with the circling arrows icon on it... Then you "Mark All Upgrades" and finally "Apply".
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Amen to that! I used to use redhat as well, and I stopped using it on principle when they cancelled the normal redhat and moved to the fedora model. Unix/Linux geeks in general have been bitching out Microsoft for making us be their beta testers forever, but then thousands of them jumped on Fedora, which is the exact same thing! Fucking sheeple. I feel that Red Hat broke a covenant :) with us when they dropped the free stable Red Hat. As soon as Fedora gets stable, they upgrade a bunch of stuff, because the ENTIRE POINT of Fedora is to provide beta testing for RHEL. There is NO OTHER POINT. Those who use it are SUCKERS.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Did Netcraft told you that ?
If you're back on a hoary hedgehog build, you'll have to update to Breezy Badger before updating to Dapper Drake. Both are reasonably straightforward operations, but my undestanding is that it works best if you upgrade one version at a time.
If you don't have much invested in your current install, though, it might be worthwhile to download a Dapper install disc and start from scratch. The upgrade path "shouldn't" cause any problems, but a clean install is just a touch more likely to go smoothly.
As for the broadcom wireless... I don't have first-hand experience, but I hear good things about Dapper's wireless support. I know some people have, in fact, been able to get wireless working quickly under Dapper. Someone else may be able to give you more details about support for broadcom adapters, specifically.
No, don't do that! The "Ubuntu Way" is to use the upgrade manager, it will take care of upgrading you safely from 5.10 to 6.06, with all the little hitches taken care of automatically.
I recognize people by their sigs. Is that a bad thing?
I have tried to install Ubuntu in the past, I think it was the Breeze version (about october last year) and everything was going smooth until the first reboot when everthing (I mean everything!) freezes when the splash image comes up. I tried it on another computer and the same thing happened. I later found out that it was because both computers have ATI graphic cards...Any word on this?
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Long version of upgrade notes is here.
Short version: running Update Manager from System/Administration menu should take care of everything
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Not quite. You have to upgrade to the intermediate Breezy Badger first. Wifi should be better, my Atheros-based card didn't work in Hedgehog but worked fine in Badger. I'm going to be curious to see how things go with Drake...
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Will Update Manager be able to use CDs, for those with poor connectivity?
Just because you can't, doesn't mean you shouldn't.
Check this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
A good thing to use to get newer versions of packages than the offical one is klik.
http://klik.sourceforge.net/
I too have switched from FC4 to Ubuntu, and I'm sure that a lot of others have too. After FC2, I was looking for a better distribution, but decided that Gentoo(takes too much time), Mandrake(Mandriva whatever) & Suse(or Novell or whatever) was a step down. But Ubuntu is a step up from Fedora, esp synaptic for software updates is miles better than yum.
I don't see any fanboy-ism in the other AC's posting - he is probably right, it may not be the death, but Fedora will be the one losing out as Ubuntu gains.
Another AC.
god n. : the Supreme Being, indistinguishable from a good random number generator.
Just stick the CD into the drive, it will ask if you want to upgrade (assuming you didn't mess with System/Preferences/Removable Media, I guess)
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
It's easier than that. If you have a breeezy system that's fully updated, you should be able to run the graphical update manager and click a button to upgrade to dapper. Not only is this easier for non-technical users, but it also takes care of dependency issues and upgrade needs that apt-get alone isn't sophisticated enough to detect. Even if you're a command line guru, use the graphical update manager to upgrade to dapper.
1. Doing an apt-get upgrade (as opposed to dist-upgrade) when upgrading the install to a new version is a recipe for disaster
2. Debian now recommend aptitude, not apt-get, to do dist-upgrades - it's smarter
3. In Ubuntu, dist-upgrade is deprecated (at least for newbies), read the upgrade guide. The Update Manger takes care of it automatically
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
Kubuntu 6.06 has also been released and is fully supported by Canonical. You can download it and order free Kubuntu CDs through Shipit.
Kubuntu features the latest version of the ever popular and advanced K Desktop Environment, which has killer apps such as the AmaroK music player, the Kaffeine movie player, the Konqueror file manager and web browser, and the KOffice suite.
Automount
Settings in my fstab file just get ignored. I have a FAT32 partition that I use to share crap between my Windows NTFS boot and my Linux boot. I added all the appropriate settings to fstab, but Gnome (or whoever) still mounts the FAT32 partition as read-only even though I commanded it to allow user mounts and RW mode.
Are you it's actually read-only and that you just don't have permissions to write to the partition? Try mounting it with -o umask=000.
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> does broadcom wireless work under the new AMD64 build? if i could get wireless to work quickly i would start using this OS.
I have Suse10.1 on the Presario V2630 which has the Broadcom 4318 mini pci - I'm using ndiswrapper plus the acer 64bit driver. Doesn't work under NEtworkmanager, NM *sees* the accesspoints but trying to connect it just times out - so on the commandline if I issue the command 'dhcpclient wlan0' I can connect.
Hopefully, after Dapper finally downloads (nobody is > 18kbs and I'm AT a university) I'll take it home and give it a try.
"Most of the forums I have seen assume the user is already adept at the environment, and asking a 'n00b' question will normally just get my flamed by a linux troll. Good times."
Flaming of a 'n00b' is rare at the Ubuntu Forums. And since Ubuntu attracts a lot of n00bs, most beginner questions have been asked multiple times already. So if you are capable of using the forum Search....
Actually, I have no idea what the cause is. I know I can't open the drive in Gnome and do any write-related operations. I can't even umount the drive by right clicking in Gnome. I have to do it from terminal as sudo and then if I mount again as normal user I can write to the partition. /etc/fstab? And, forgive the stupidity, what exactly does this do?
Would the -o umask=000 be something to put in
Well, as I stated I'm very very familiar with RPM. And the corporate suits are comfortable with the Red Hat business model - up2date is just a wonderful wonderful thing in a large heavily regulated business.
But you're right as far as debian being a nice solid server platform. Don't know about Ubuntu for that yet, it will be interesting to see if they can match debian's stability.
at the bottom of http://www.ubuntu.com/download you wanna change this:
/ dvd// dvd/
http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release
to this:
http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release
i figured it'd really torque me off if i downloaded 3+g only to notice after the fact that it's the previous release - so i tried posting a bug, but it just kept replying twith the oh-so-useful "an error occurred".
oh well - emailed 'em, i'm sure it's somewhere in their queue. maybe posting it here will help somebody out, maybe not.
> Run on over to the download site while it's still hot.
While it is 1.4 K/s hot?
(Can't use a torrent on my network).
It'd be in the options section of that line in fstab. Same place as your "rw" and other options, separated from the others by a comma, just like any other.
/dev/hda3 /mnt/windows")
:)
Leave off the -o part, that's for if you're mounting from the command line (i.e. "mount -o umask=000
So, the line would look something like:
/dev/hda3 /mnt/windows vfat rw,users,umask=000 0 0
where the first part is the device, the second part is the path where you want to mount it, the third is the filesystem type, the fourth is options, and the last two zeros... I have no idea, I've never really gotten what those do, just leave them as zeros. Something to do with the order in which things get mounted, I think. Never been an issue for me.
That's all from memory, so you might check it before you use it
Maybe you uninstalled something that was required for the meta-package "Ubuntu-Desktop", thus causing it to be removed as well.
I've noticed oddness with updates in Dapper if you don't have that package installed. Never showed up in Breezy, presumably because that was all security updates and not major changes to the whole desktop.
Or maybe not. Just throwing out one possibility.
When I was updating, I had a problem that the update option stopped appearing in update-manager.
There's a bunch of possible reasons. One may be that the mirrors haven't updated yet, in which case you'll have to wait. My problem was that when I rejected the update for the first time, update-manager for some reason stops displaying the update for 24 hours or something. (Devs, this isn't very smart behaviour...)
I found the way to solve this issue on the forums:
Run:
sudo update-manager -d
(I'm not sure what this does, and update-manager shockingly lacks a manpage, but it worked for me.)
I set up a MythTV server using the "Breezy Badger" release not too long ago. It's still fairly clean, so I can fairly easily just wipe the system and install 6.06 from scratch. But, I'm wondering if this is really necessary.
What are the pros and cons of installing from scratch versus an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' on my existing box?
Ubuntu's Live CDs have always sucked. I downloaded the Hoary Live CD and it never seemed to work properly. Today, I spent all morning downloading the Dapper CD...twice! Both times the ISO crapped out on me and didn't boot properly on start up. It displayed an insert curser and hung for 2 minutes. Then it went to Grub. I am now using Bittorrent to download the alternate install CD which hopefully will work.
I love Ubuntu, but this live cd graphical installer, IMHO, is a complete and utter failure. Shame on Ubuntu for putting this kind of crap out. I've wasted half a day trying to get the CD to work. I'm not using weird hardware...I have a common Asus Mobo and an Athlon 64 chip. There is no reason for this not to work. I consider myself a sophistocated Linux user, and if a newb had to go through all this trouble, they would have quit by now. Arg.
I am usually an Ubuntu FanBoy, so please, feel free to mod me down as a Troll. But its true. Dapper seems to be sucking pretty hard right now.
Good call. I've been trying to download this since it was released this morning using the best GPL download manager I've found for OS X (Camino, lol!) but I keep getting cut off/super slow downloads (=7kbps). This is faaantastic.
Only yesterday I convinced my officemates to try Ubuntu as our new server's OS... We spent the day playing with it, and this morning we noticed the new release. Hand + Forehead action ensued. Thankfully the upgrade process doesn't look too difficult... once the upgrade gets released to the channel.
You obviously haven't seen windows command line apps. They're MUCH worse, and just as common when you get into the few equally powerful things that windows actually offers. TIP: this *isn't* one of them; to do an upgrade like this on windows is *impossible*. The closest equivalent (upgrading via a CD you waited on, from windows 2000 to XP or something) takes longer, is less reliable, and breaks software.
Wait for Edgy Eft flight 1.
"Hello 911? I just tried to toast some bread, and the toaster grew an arm and stabbed me in the face!"
Exactly. I can just go to windows update and BOOM! I update from windows 98 to XP. No disk, no reboot required. Absolutely free.
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"Hello 911? I just tried to toast some bread, and the toaster grew an arm and stabbed me in the face!"
You installed the beta. the normal install was released today. try downloading it again.
"Hello 911? I just tried to toast some bread, and the toaster grew an arm and stabbed me in the face!"
"i am willing to give this new one a shot. can i just fire up the hedgehog and update? does broadcom wireless work under the new AMD64 build? if i could get wireless to work quickly i would start using this OS."
I'm running the AMD64 build on my laptop and my Broadcom wireless card was detected by the install and is working perfectly. This is the first Linux distribution where I didn't have to setup ndiswrapper for the wireless card. I suggest playing around with the live CD first if you're planning on doing the install and are a little hesitant.
The main problems with 64 bit is that there is no flash plugin, no Java browser plugin and no win32 codecs available. If those items are really required they can be setup in a chroot environment which can be configured to be completely transparent to the user.
I decided to liveboot the cd just now on my el-cheapo Compaq pressario 4000 laptop expecting a load of problems and it booted right up.
My system is a hackers nightmare.
The intel based wifi, the winsoundcard, touchpad, and even the mmc card reader works!
I switched to FreeBSD from Linux around 2001 after countless alpha and beta quality linux distro's that were supposed to be stable kept fustrating me. Isn't this why I left Windows and yet w2k doesn't have this problem??
But so far ubuntu beat my expectations.
Even the crappy intel based 945G graphics chip is smooth with the video with great color and zero clipping. My athlonXP+2400 with its nvidia 6600 is a little clippy with video under non ubuntu distro's.
I only found one bug that is the fault of compaq since it uses a PS/2 filter in software to save $.15. The text will move randomly across this post as I type but I have seen this with a default install of XP. There is a software linux version of a ps/2 filter I have to install but other than that its flawless. Good work
http://saveie6.com/
I wonder if anyone knows why burning CDs is such an issue with this particular release.
I was finally able to burn the alternate ISO to CD in Linux using Breezy's Nautilus Burning Utility. Simple as right clicking on the disk image and selecting burn to CD. Why on earth I couldn't create a disk image under XP is beyond me. I used three different ISO burning programs with no luck. This is a serious issue if we want Windows XP users to switch over to Linux and Ubuntu. I think a powerful GPL ISO burning program for Windows should be linked to in the download section. A lot of people only have access to the OEM version of Nero and not the more powerful Nero Burning ROM...so, something needs to be done. And its not as if I haven't burned ISOs before, I've done tons! I did 8 CDs for Debian for chirsts sake, with no hitches.
So, is there a special burn procedure that needs to be used for these CDs under XP???
The OP left out the part in which you modify the package repositories list to point to dapper instead of previous releases, though. Upgrading via apt takes care of that. My repos were all updated to the Dapper ones automagically
"This calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence" - Vyvyan "The Young Ones"
OS X is that easy, with the caveat that the updates come on DVD and you have to stick the disk in first and double-click the icon.
But anyway, if the GUI way is so easy... why would you bother giving the techie instructions? "Click update" is going to be a hell of a lot faster than opening a terminal window, whether or not you're a techie. So why bother with the sudo crap?
This is pretty much my entire criticism of Linux users: they always recommend the hard way of doing things so they can look 1337 and get geekcred or whatever. It's basically the "high priesthood of technology" all over again.
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Sadly, this failed for me on my Ubuntu 5.10 server (no gui installed)
dpkg failed with a message that the file system was read-only and wouldn't proceed.
Now I'm waiting for my cd image to finish downloading.
This isn't really true. Canonical has "stable" and "testing" branches, just like Debian. Red Hat has a similar process, except RHEL would be considered "really stable". Just because "Fedora" and "RHEL" are different names doesn't mean they're separate.
Except that he did mention the simple way, in the very same post. The only downside being the rebooting part, which is of course obligatory for OS X.
Switch back to Slashdot's D1 system.
The first Linux install EVER for me to properly detecect my mouse, video card, lan, and screen sceen resolution and I tried Mandrake back in the day when you needed top know sectors and cylinder numbers, and Ubutu 5.04 two different times, this one just works, yah! It's the first Linux I would recomend to a Windoze or Mac user. While I still need my Mac for Final Cut Pro and Photoshop and Windoze for games I think this is a big leap forward for Linux on the desktop, congrats to the developers for a fine effort.
Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
while (!asleep()) sheep++
The dpkg --configure -a did, as it seemed, fix the PCMCIA hang, and all I had to do to fix the video problem was apt-get install nvidia-glx. Relatively painless upgrade with minimal downtime. I'm happy.
What does the "LTS" stand for?
Here is the article from ComputerWorld: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com mand=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyId=12&articleId=9000 831
But anyway, if the GUI way is so easy... why would you bother giving the techie instructions? "Click update" is going to be a hell of a lot faster than opening a terminal window, whether or not you're a techie. So why bother with the sudo crap?
Well... it depends. I like to use CLI for updating software because it's more flexible and powerful than doing the same thru GUI. For example I was in Ireland a while ago visiting my friend and I needed to update stuff on my home puter. (Which is in Helsinki, Finland) So I simply logged in using SSH on friend's laptop and ran # apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Job done. If I knew only how to "click update", then doing it from 2000km away would be a tad harder thing to archive.
I haven't done updating software in GUI way for a some time. When I really started with linux I used Synaptic (GTK GUI for apt-get), but soon switched to using command line because for me it is simply a faster way to search and update software than clicking, pointing and scrolling with mouse. Once you know the commands it takes few seconds to type them and you're done.
Here's the procedure which I would use to see if there's a program called cplay and install it via CLI:
Alt-t (this opens aterm window in my system)
apt-cache search cplay (searches apt database for program named cplay)
apt-get install cplay (installs program named cplay)
Doing the same with Synaptic GUI:
right click (opens menu)
move mouse to fileutils->synaptic
click synaptic (starts loading synatic apt GUI)
move mouse over search button
click (opens search box)
move mouse to searchbox
click
type cplay
move mouse over search results
click icon next to cplay
move mouse over "Apply" button
click
First way is much quicker. There are even simpler GUIs for apt than synaptic though. One example being update manager in Ubuntu, but more you simplify, more you lose features.
You have a point though. People who use apt-get from CLI surely know the commands, but it's hebrew to people who never used it. I agree...I'd first show my mum the GUI way of doing it too. (Though my mum isn't reading slahdot). But you're wrong if you think using command line is about showing "high priesthood of technology". Most people who use CLI use it to get things done easier/quicker/more effetively etc. It's all about choosing the right tool for the job.
I tried telling my Interweb Explorer
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -yqq dist-upgrade
and it didn't work. The Internet is broken I guess, and there's no Linux for me.
Oh You POS
Sadly, it doesn't seem so, although if you stick the CD into the drive and register it as a source, then cancel Synaptic popping up, and then run the release migration tool, it might pull the unchanged files from the CD. I didn't get time to run this scenario in VMware, though.
Ati has some serious bugs with their linux drivers, at least for my hardware configuration (9600 (agp8x) on Intel 845 (agp4x)). DRI freezes X. have to reset. I know this cause i've tried suse 10.1, kororaa, kubuntu5.10 and ditto 6.06, with all available configurations. OSS driver doesnt freeze, but no DRI, no tv. Ive installed kubuntu with fglrx, xinerama overscans monitor and i cant see. no way to change resolution. In suse 10.1, xinerama works just fine. A similar bug in xinerama existed also in kubuntu5.10(there was no way to move to second display). So, what would take to a man to watch movies in his tv? buy a new computer? switch to windows? switch to suse?
i read the review posted under vista yesterday. it appears easy if you know all the commands. (like on windows and finding icons) my eyes glazed over when i read a bunch of small text, sudo apt-get... it feels like i just have to *know* the name of an app when i want to upgrade something. at least with icons i can search around until i find what i need.
Some people prefer apt-get, but there's graphical programs to do the same things. To add programs, just go to Applications->System Tools->Add Programs. It's a simple gui with categories on the right, programs on the left, and a search box. If you want a less simple gui with a better search, click the Advanced button and it opens up Synaptic. When programs want to update/upgrade themselves, a little orange icon appears in the panel (kinda like Windows Update) and you click it and they update (you can turn off notifications if they annoy you, and you can just open Synaptic and click the Update button to update).
Most things in Ubuntu have a graphical way to do them, though occasionally there are things that do require the command line, but you can usually find a web site that will tell you what to do and then it's just copy and paste. If you're really command-line adverse, however, I recommend Mepis. The new version is supposed to come out June 18th. It's got good hardware support, comes enabled with mp3, dvd, etc support so you don't have to mess with that, and it's based off Ubuntu. Try the live cd and see if you like it.
"What is Internet Explorer 7? Are you saying we can't access the normal internet?" - I love tech support. Really.
Dear Troll,
The most trollish of trolls are often clever, subtle and biting. You, dear sir, a simply a twit with no skill and too many commas. To be quite blunt about it, you are the worst troll I have ever read. I hope that sometime very soon you find yourself cornered in a dark alley way by a man named Bitsy who intends to sodomize you with a rake. I hope that rake is rusty. I hope that rake has also been used far too many times for this purpose, infecting you with all sorts of vicious diseases.
After the sodomy it is my sincere hope that you'll look back on your life, gape in terror at the shortness of your future and realize that your time here on earth could have been much better spent.
Grow the fuck up and learn how to structure an insult.
Hoping you get ass-raped with a rake,
goofyheadedpunk
What if the entire Universe were a chrooted environment with everything symlinked from the host?
Wow, that really is quite bad. That really may be the ugliest UI I've ever seen.
Maybe you are unsure about what a "major release" is. A gigantic pack of patches to fix security holes discovered years ago doesn't count as a "major release".
Maybe you are referring to the Service Packs. If so, maybe you should read up on all the problems associated with that.
"People who use apt-get from CLI surely know the commands, but it's hebrew to people who never used it."
:).
Hebrew is not such a hard language to learn, I did that myself
Here in Israel we say "chinese" when we mean "something hard to learn"
Where in the world is the SPARC support, especially for the T1 Niagara, that was promised for 6.06 just this last week?
Yes, ubuntu and debian share lots of packages.
But the approach is radically different and differences between them are growing day by day.
On the other hand, where is that support?. In spain where I work for there is nobody who works for Canonical (as far as I know) so if you want an onsite support you're dead.
Long way to go for canonical to be a real competitor of Red hat and Suse (from the commercial and support point of view, not from the technical side)
When a ubuntu topic in Slashdot?
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