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iTunes v6 FairPlay DRM Cracked

luaine writes with an Engadget article claiming the cracking of iTunes v6 FairPlay DRM. From the article: "[A] new app called QTFairUse6 looks like it can now be used (with some amount of difficulty) to dump iTunes version 6.0.4 - 6.0.5 files of their chastely protection." At present this is a Windows-only tool for those who are "not afraid to get [their] hands dirty with a little python." Engadget does not provide a link to QTFairUse6, and neither will we. We've run several DRM stories recently, but it's been 19 months since Cracking iTunes' DRM with JHymn.

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  1. Uh... by Parker703 · · Score: 2

    Any why won't you provide a link to the software?

    1. Re:Uh... by IflyRC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe to keep from violating the DMCA?

    2. Re:Uh... by rob_squared · · Score: 5, Informative
      Any why won't you provide a link to the software?

      They won't, but I will: http://hymn-project.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=155 3

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    3. Re:Uh... by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 2

      ...it's not censorship when we do it!

    4. Re:Uh... by fuzz6y · · Score: 1

      it is when we do it under duress, or out of fear of reprisal.

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    5. Re:Uh... by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was actually referencing a popular, sarcastic photoshop (http://www.pensitoreview.com/images/art-gop-fasci sm-poster.jpg)

    6. Re:Uh... by LexNaturalis · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Any why won't you provide a link to the software?
      The editor(s) actually lied (or are ignorant). Engadget has a link to the software so all you have to do is go to the Engadget story and click "Read" and it sends you straight to the forum where you can download the software. It seems that Either the editor(s) or the submitter didn't even both to follow the link from Engadget.
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    7. Re:Uh... by fuzz6y · · Score: 3, Funny

      So that's what that whoosh sound was.

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    8. Re:Uh... by HeroreV · · Score: 3, Funny

      I recently heard about an amazing new concept called "link". Somehow stuff can be associated with a location, and activating this particular stuff will allow you to travel quickly to the associated location! I'm not yet sure if such a crazy idea is even possible, but it's a really exciting idea.

      http://www.pensitoreview.com/images/art-gop-fascis m-poster.jpg

    9. Re:Uh... by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      because the slashdot clientiele may have an aversion to seeing the site-checker script say what appears to be "penis reviewer"

    10. Re:Uh... by Fordiman · · Score: 4, Informative

      It works, and works well.

      Also, it doesn't actually require any mucking about in python; it works out of the box, once python's installed. If you're mucking about, it better be to add 'faad -a dump_xx.decoded.aac dumpxx.aac' to the end of the dump process.

      Meanwhile, the link in the forum linked by the engadget article is to rapidshare.de. I hate these things, and I assume most others do. Additionally, that zip doesn't have FAAD in it. So, I took the liberty of putting it in and hosting it myself. It's not offshore, and I'm nothing like anonymous, so the first Cease and Desist will get it off my site. If I get a lawsuit instead, you can be sure I'm going to grab the EFF's attention on the matter.

      QTFairUse w/ FAAD
      Python 2.4.3 (required)

      Enjoy!
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    11. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You shouldn't have done that. Hope you like it in PMITA.

    12. Re:Uh... by andreyw · · Score: 1

      Fuck the DMCA. Do you know what happens to stupid laws when everyone follows them? They become not only de jure, but de facto.

  2. Another Stupid Headline by devjj · · Score: 0

    iTunes wasn't cracked. Fairplay DRM was cracked.

    1. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      iTunes wasn't cracked. Fairplay DRM was cracked.

      Or

      iTunes wasn't cracked. The DRM shackling people to itunes was cracked.

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    2. Re:Another Stupid Headline by dschuetz · · Score: 4, Informative

      iTunes wasn't cracked. Fairplay DRM was cracked.

      And it wasn't even that. According to this forum entry, all the hack does is tie into the audio "output" side of iTunes and skim off the decoded AAC stream, writing it to a file. One step above grabbing it at the sound card, but certainly not a crack of the DRM itself.

      What's astounding is how many people seem to consider this "a step in the right direction," when it's really a "step in a totally different direction that will do nothing for actually breaking the DRM itself." Then again, maybe I shouldn't be *too* surprised.... :(

    3. Re:Another Stupid Headline by devjj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Complain to the executives that mandate DRM on all purchased media. Why do so many people act as though Apple invented DRM?

    4. Re:Another Stupid Headline by tritonman · · Score: 1

      Yea that's not a crack at all, especially if it still takes the time of the length of the song to convert. Any newbie programmer could write something that plays a song in iTunes and records it with the soundcard in a batch process.

    5. Re:Another Stupid Headline by ericdano · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yeah. And JHymn hasn't worked since, like, 18 months ago. Certainly hasn't worked in iTunes 6 nor do I think iTunes 5 either......

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    6. Re:Another Stupid Headline by kdawson · · Score: 1

      Correct, thanks for noticing.

    7. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple is the biggest vendor of DRM-laden music and video files today. It doesn't matter if they invented the technology; by foisting it upon its customers, Apple opens themselves to criticism.

    8. Re:Another Stupid Headline by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative
      all the hack does is tie into the audio "output" side of iTunes and skim off the decoded AAC stream,

      Not quite. It grabs the audio when it is decrypted, but not yet decoded. I.e. it grabs the raw AAC frames. These can then be inserted into a proper container file and tagged with metadata. This process needs to be automated, but it should be soon.

      The good thing about this approach is that, unlike capturing the audio, it accesses it before the AAC stream has been decompressed, meaning that you don't have to recompress it, adding artefacts.

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    9. Re:Another Stupid Headline by dirty · · Score: 1

      Except that's not what this does. It grabs the decrypted, but still encoded file from iTunes' memory. You get an exact copy of the file without the encryption (or any of the meta data, but that's probably just a matter of time).

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    10. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was always one of the people who never really cared that iTunes music was DRM'd. I figured that (shortsightedly) I would always use an iPod or burn CDs. I was wrong. When I go running, I like music so I take my iPod- but I dont like extra weight so I dont take my wireless phone. So, despite spending about $1000 at the ITMS, I am considering getting a Chocolate, so I can have my phone and MP3 player with me in one package. (I would have gotten a RokR, but seriously, why would I spend a ton of money for a phone that holds 100 songs?!?!) If I get a Chocolate, would it be wrong to convert my DRM'd iTunes music so I could use it with the Chocolate? Should I just eat the $1000 I spent at ITMS? (Please save the sarcastic comments about how I shouldn't have bought DRM'd music- I admit it, I was an idiot to do that...) And another point, I am not a marketing expert, but if they made a white iPod phone with at least a few gigs of memory, do they not realize that they would sell a ton ofthem? Why cant they just make an iPod phone? 90% of college kids would buy them.

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    11. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is it wrong? No.
      Is it illegal? Probably.
      Was it really dumb to spend $1,000 on DRMed music? Yep.

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    12. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Why cant they just make an iPod phone? 90% of college kids would buy them.

      Wired had a good print article on that a few months ago. Summary: you have to get a cell carrier to distribute the phones, and none of them want to let you upload music to your phone for free instead of making you pay to send it through their data network.

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    13. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why cant they just make an iPod phone? 90% of college kids would buy them.

      Blame the wireless providers that want their version of lock-in.

      Seriously, why don't we have a phone market like Europe? I shouldn't buy my phone from Verizon Wireless -- I should buy my phone at Target and then pick a compatible provider for that phone. No contracts, no provider lock-in.

      If we had that sort of market nothing would stop Apple from making a CDMA iPod phone for VZW/Sprint or a GSM iPod phone for T-Mobile/Cingular.

      Fat chance in hell the cellular providers give up their device lock-in until regulation forces them to do so.

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    14. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Landline phones in the US used to be rented from your telephone provider. If you wanted another phone, you had to call them and they would be out sometime "between 8am and 6pm." Most people under 30 don't believe this, and even to me, looking back, it seems ridiculous.
      I hope that very soon kids will look at us the same way with the same disbelief and say "wait, you mean you had to get your cell phone directly from your wireless provider?!?!?"
      Yes, you can get a cell phone and manipulate it in the same way that in the old days you could get an "illegal" extra landline phone, but this is rare.
      Anyhow, you are right in your post. But keep in mind that songs for the Chocolate are $1.99 if you pull them right out of the air onto your phone, but 99cents if you buy the songs from your computer and wire them onto the Chocolate. So I am hoping we will see an iPod phone someday, i.e. and iPod with a phone, not a phone with sort-of-an-iPod-that-only-holds-100-songs like the rokr was (is? Are they still making that thing?)

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    15. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Funny

      and the headline never stated this. It says "iTunes v6 FairPlay DRM Cracked". Jeez, most people don't read TFA but come on, at least read TFH.

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    16. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Landline phones in the US used to be rented from your telephone provider.

      You are talking to somebody whose Grandmother and Father worked for Ma Bell. I know all about those days!

      Yes, you can get a cell phone and manipulate it in the same way that in the old days you could get an "illegal" extra landline phone, but this is rare.

      How? VZW won't even activate a phone for you nowadays unless you get it from them. Even a completely unlocked CDMA phone direct from Motorola. If you get the phone from them it's crippled to their network (even if you pay full price for it!).

      Anyhow, you are right in your post. But keep in mind that songs for the Chocolate are $1.99 if you pull them right out of the air onto your phone, but 99cents if you buy the songs from your computer and wire them onto the Chocolate.

      What if I already have the mp3s? Can I transfer them over for free? My experience with VZW tells me that I probably can't.... but I've been wrong before.

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    17. Re:Another Stupid Headline by tritonman · · Score: 1

      oh ok, sort of like the old cracks that would sniff the file contents while being downloaded before the DRM was placed on the streams. Thanks for clearing that up.

    18. Re:Another Stupid Headline by devjj · · Score: 1

      It originally said iTunes v6 Cracked. See the author's acknowledgement below.

    19. Re:Another Stupid Headline by devjj · · Score: 1

      Whoops.. it's above, now. ;)

    20. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Ok, that makes a little more sense then. Bad headline authors!

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    21. Re:Another Stupid Headline by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      The good thing about this approach is that, unlike capturing the audio, it accesses it before the AAC stream has been decompressed, meaning that you don't have to recompress it, adding artefacts.

      Yeah but the bad thing about this approach is it further encourages companies to dream of a future Trusted Computing world. While it's nice to be able to remove the DRM, it would be much nicer if that was done by actually cracking the DRM and releasing the code. THAT would help to prove to companies that DRM is fundamentally insecure and encourage them to drop the whole idea.

      Hacking an applications or OS vulnerability = OKAY
      Cracking the DRM itself = much better

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    22. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, we Americans don't want any of that Socialist crap like they have in Europe! We're all about capitalism here, and free markets with businesses unfettered by government regulation! If the market wanted unlocked, non-crippled phones, we'd have them. But the market has decided, and it wants crippled phones!

      Pah! Those Europeans and their "free choice" crap... Next thing you know, they'll be talking about how they need more than two political parties to choose from!

    23. Re:Another Stupid Headline by base3 · · Score: 1

      And people talk about how Apple's DRM is "kind and gentle." Of course it is--they've got to get the camel's nose underneath the tent and get people thinking that "DRM isn't all that bad" before they start to turn the screws. And I don't buy that "but it's the record industry" crap, either. They're not going to leave money on the table, and for the future, their choices are to sell music online for a reasonable price or die.

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    24. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 1

      You are talking to somebody whose Grandmother and Father worked for Ma Bell. I know all about those days!
      Cool- but tell some under 25s how you used to get a phone, and you will get a blank stare and disbelief... Kids these days also dont understand how a phone could be a murder weapon in so many old movies- Hitting someone over the head with 2 pounds of plastic doesn't have the same effect.
      How? VZW won't even activate a phone for you nowadays unless you get it from them. Even a completely unlocked CDMA phone direct from Motorola. If you get the phone from them it's crippled to their network (even if you pay full price for it!). Anytime I say that you have to buy a phone from your provider, someone gets on my case and provides a long post about how you can solder this connection and add this card or that and use any phone for anything. My comment was just to appease those people
      What if I already have the mp3s? Can I transfer them over for free? My experience with VZW tells me that I probably can't.... but I've been wrong before.
      You bring up something I hadn't considered- can I add all my old unprotected MP3s to a Chocolate. That would be a deal breaker. I cant find an answer on Verizon's website.

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    25. Re:Another Stupid Headline by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "How? VZW won't even activate a phone for you nowadays unless you get it from them. Even a completely unlocked CDMA phone direct from Motorola. If you get the phone from them it's crippled to their network (even if you pay full price for it!)"

      I'm not familiar with Verizon, but, not sure why you couldn't. I have the Samsung Blade from SprintPCS. And while they don't make it easy for you, or give you instructions, with a little research on the web, I can easily bluetooth upload mp3's, images, ringtones I make..etc to the phone.

      I can't understand why you couldn't do this with about any phone out there, regardless of carrier. Maybe try to do a little research, I found tons of forums out there with information. True, you gotta sift through a good bit of it..but, it is findable.

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    26. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Abjifyicious · · Score: 1

      If it's the only reason the iTMS uses DRM is because of "the executives", then why don't labels get to choose whether or not they want DRM on songs they sell through iTunes? Every single song sold on iTunes has DRM forced on it, whether the artist/label wants it or not.

      Furthermore, look at it from Apple's point of view. From what I've heard, Apple makes a relatively small amount of money directly from iTunes, whereas they make a huge amount of money from selling iPods. Now think about it. What company wouldn't kill for the opportunity to artifically force consumers to keep buying their product forever? What happens when it's time to buy a new portable music player and the hundreds of songs you bought won't play on anything that's not an iPod?

      And to think people wonder why Apple won't license FairPlay to other companies.

    27. Re:Another Stupid Headline by VertigoAce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is nothing fundamentally insecure about DRM except for the fact that it needs to be decrypted on the client. So a tool like this is taking advantage of the insecure aspect of DRM by waiting until the client decrypts the audio. Cracking the encryption algorithm just shows that there is a weakness in the algorithm (or in the protection of the keys, as seen in the WMA case).

      The solution to stopping pure digital copies (ie not digitial -> analog -> digital) is to do all of the DRM and audio/video decoding in hardware (your private key is generated and stored in the sound card and can't be retrieved). Portable devices can use schemes like this, but computers won't unless somebody decides to break backward compatibility.

    28. Re:Another Stupid Headline by JonTurner · · Score: 1

      And JHymn hasn't worked since, like, 18 months ago. Certainly hasn't worked in iTunes 6 nor do I think iTunes 5 either......

      Which is precisly why many people have not upgraded their iTunes install.

    29. Re:Another Stupid Headline by ThatNamesTaken · · Score: 1

      I had the same problem. I did not want DRM music and my pants keep falling down from all the crap in my pockets. I had a phone and MP3 player and a PDA - which is just stupid. I got a Treo 650, a 2 GB memory card, softick audio gateway for the music and pocket tunes. I since have started using the provided realplayer on the Treo. It is a PDA phone and MP3 player. As for the Itunes part Try AllofMp3.com. 10 cents a song, no DRM. Supposedly legal, I dunno. If it seems to good to be true ..... Have not found a problem yet. They seem to have everything I look for. Maybe the Treo 700w would be better? It has Windows on it, and I know how everyone loves that.

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    30. Re:Another Stupid Headline by devjj · · Score: 1

      "The iPod makes money. The iTunes Music Store doesn't." Apple won't die (in the music industry) as long as the iPod does well, and it's plainly obvious that iTunes has virtually nothing to do with the success of the iPod. I don't like DRM any more than the next guy, but I'm not about to claim it's the sole reason Apple isn't six feet under.

    31. Re:Another Stupid Headline by base3 · · Score: 1

      The sell music reasonable or die dichotomy was meant to apply to the music industry, not to Apple. Reading over what I posted, I see I could have made that less ambiguous.

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    32. Re:Another Stupid Headline by ericdano · · Score: 1

      Which is dumb, cause the iTunes store won't let you buy things with iTunes 4 anymore......

      Look, there are a ton of ways to get unprotected files if you REALLY REALLY want them rather than going though this slow process here...

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    33. Re:Another Stupid Headline by devjj · · Score: 1

      As I just posted in another comment, the average iPod owner purchases 21 songs from iTunes. Compare that to the thousands the iPod actually holds, and it's obvious that iTunes isn't selling iPods. iPods are selling iTunes.

    34. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And to think people wonder why Apple won't license FairPlay to other companies.
      Last time I checked, Motorola wasn't Apple.

      And no, Apple shouldn't license FairPlay to RealNetworks (or whatever they call themselves these days).

    35. Re:Another Stupid Headline by cybereal · · Score: 1

      You can get a 2 GB MicroSD card for this:

      http://www.cingular.com/SLVR_iTunes/

      The phone has a horrible keyboard and is huge. Really, it's huge. It's as big as a razr unfolded, and those phones are much larger than people realize. However, it still does what you want.

      Most people, quite possibly yourself included, don't realize how big it is until comparisons are made, so perhaps you could just avoid that. It comes with an adapter to use your own headphones, and if you look around on eBay you can find one unlocked for your carrier (assuming it's a GSM carrier).

      This isn't new, btw, it's over a year old.

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    36. Re:Another Stupid Headline by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      Apple should buy a cellular provider.

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    37. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      I can't speak for your specific model of phone, but I can use Bluetooth to send files, including mp3's, to my Samsung D407. Samsung even has a free Windows program that lets you do some useful phone management (contact list, etc.) over Bluetooth.

    38. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      you have to get a cell carrier to distribute the phones, and none of them want to let you upload music to your phone for free instead of making you pay to send it through their data network.
      What do you mean by that? There are already several phones that work with iTunes...
    39. Re:Another Stupid Headline by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Or, to go back further, back when an entire game fit in 48 KiB of memory, when a cracker would install special cards in his Apple II that would dump the memory to a binary file on an unprotected disk to defeat the various copy protection schemes of 5.25" disks.

      I'm feeling old.

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    40. Re:Another Stupid Headline by solitas · · Score: 1
      Audio Hijack, and Audio Hijack Pro, work the same way for OSX: http://www.rogueamoeba.com/.

      ANYthing that generates sound in OSX can be saved to a file in many different formats.

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    41. Re:Another Stupid Headline by vialation · · Score: 1

      I think you are trying to make a sarcastic remark on how we all want capitalism (I'm American), yet despise this DRM situation. However, one important note is that legislation like the DRM is hardly capitalistic -- if anything, its socialism, enforcing a policy. With a more pure system of capitalism, you would never find the government essentially protecting corporations with legislation -- that leads to monopolies.

    42. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      However, one important note is that legislation like the DRM is hardly capitalistic -- if anything, its socialism, enforcing a policy. With a more pure system of capitalism, you would never find the government essentially protecting corporations with legislation -- that leads to monopolies.

      Right, but ask patriotic Americans if we're a socialist country, and they'll outright deny in spite of all the evidence. Meanwhile, any comparison with European countries (e.g., European cellphone customers apparently have far more freedom than we do) will just bring remarks about how they're "Socialist".

      As for monopolies, look how many Americans (especially the right-wingers) were upset about the Microsoft monopoly trial. In America, if you do anything to reign in a monopoly, you're "punishing success". Just watch; I'll probably have 5 replies to this very message saying this. So under your definition of capitalism, monopolies may be bad, but according to most Americans, monopolies are great and shouldn't be bothered. Heck, I still here people complain about the Bell breakup, wishing we had a single phone company again so they wouldn't have to be bothered with having to choose between different providers.

    43. Re:Another Stupid Headline by azuretek · · Score: 1

      Seriously, why don't we have a phone market like Europe? I shouldn't buy my phone from Verizon Wireless -- I should buy my phone at Target and then pick a compatible provider for that phone. No contracts, no provider lock-in.


      I've been using unlocked phones with cingular for a long time, I just walked into the cingular store a couple days ago and got a new sim for free and put 20 bucks on it for yet another phone. Free mobile to mobile (cingular network only of course) and it's pretty cheap and easy to use. I wish it were cheaper with data plans n such but still, it's getting there.

      Maybe in the next 5 years we'll see a more open market for cell phones, keep in mind cell phones are a fairly new technology and most people don't know that you can get a "non-cingular" or "non-tmobile" phone. It's odd for me to hear "have you seen that new tmobile phone?" but hopefully soon we'll hear more of "hey have you seen that new sony ericsson phone?".
    44. Re:Another Stupid Headline by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Is it illegal? Probably.

      What makes you think this would be illegal? Removing DRM is not illegal in and of itself. Having tools to remove DRM is not illegal in and of itself. Cracking encryption is not even illegal, in and of itself (although this just uses your already owned key to decrypt and make a copy of the content of the files, it does not actually break the encryption). The only thing illegal in this scenario that I can think of is publishing the tools used to do it, which may or may not be illegal according to the very vague DMCA. So, download the tools, but don't use bittorrent or redistribute the tools and I don't see how anyone can claim you did anything illegal.

    45. Re:Another Stupid Headline by kimvette · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Doesn't the interoperability clause in the DMCA allow for bypassing DRM for the express purpose of interoperability? Hmm, let's take a look:


      [...]

      The six additional exceptions are as follows:

      [...]

      2. Reverse engineering (section 1201(f)). This exception permits
      circumvention, and the development of technological means for such
      circumvention, by a person who has lawfully obtained a right to use a
      copy of a computer program for the sole purpose of identifying and
      analyzing elements of the program necessary to achieve interoperability
      with other programs, to the extent that such acts are permitted under
      copyright law.

      [...]


      However, much like the Fair Use clause in copyright law, the proponents of DMCA invariably choose to overlook this clause in the DMCA. DVD Jon is in the clear when it comes to the DMCA because of this clause, only it seems that no cases have been defended citing this clause. I do not worry at ALL about ripping DVDs for use on my PocketPC and posting about it on here because that clause specifically allows me to use DeCSS to bypass DRM for the purpose of interoperability with other software (Windows media Player on PocketPC 2000), and it allows me to use DeCSS (and derivatives) to view DRMed video on alternate software such as Linux. Note that it does NOT allow me to bypass DRM for the purpose of violating copyright law, but making backups and transcoding and/or timeshifting (e.g., bypassing HDCP when I buy an HDTV) are all specifically excepted from liability/prosecution under the DMCA.
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    46. Re:Another Stupid Headline by infofc · · Score: 1

      As usual americans don't have to brains to distinguish detail. The post was really about monopolies and dominance of business interests over consumer interests. Refering to consumer/citizen interests as socialism is just the usual hawkish bullcrap.

    47. Re:Another Stupid Headline by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Indeed Verizon wants you to pay $4 per song, with crumy (ie, less than mp3) quality.

      Fortuantly for my wife (especially since i didn't know vcast isn't even available here) you can buy some software to unlock the phone (v3m razr) and do whatever you want with it. Check out http://www.cellcables.com/.

    48. Re:Another Stupid Headline by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      How? VZW won't even activate a phone for you nowadays unless you get it from them. Even a completely unlocked CDMA phone direct from Motorola. If you get the phone from them it's crippled to their network (even if you pay full price for it!).

      Unicel and most others are willing to do that though. To uncriple your VZ crap phone, check out cellcables.com.

    49. Re:Another Stupid Headline by john82 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If it's the only reason the iTMS uses DRM is because of "the executives", then why don't labels get to choose whether or not they want DRM on songs they sell through iTunes?

      RIAA is the one insisting on DRM.

    50. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Ahnteis · · Score: 1

      Tell it to the DVD Shrink folks.

    51. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      Depends on how you interpret / how far you want to trust the DMCA's Reverse Engineering exception. To my knowledge, it's never been tested in court. Without precedent, it's a bit of a murky path to go down. Then again, one hopes that the FBI has better things to do than chase down people who are transcoding their music from one format to another for their own use. (Actually I think they have better things to do than any sort of copyright enforcement...why don't they come back once the Wars on Terror, Drugs, and Poverty are over?)

      Anyway, my point was more that regardless of whether it's legal or not, I think it's morally defensible, and therefore whether to do it or not is a straightforward risk/benefit calculation, based on your odds of getting caught and the resulting punishment.

      Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's wrong to do, if the law is wrong in making it illegal.

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    52. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Buran · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not all artists who publish via the iTMS are part of the RIAA. (or their labels, or whatever is the best description).

    53. Re:Another Stupid Headline by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Depends on how you interpret / how far you want to trust the DMCA's Reverse Engineering exception.

      Not at all. The DMCA makes illegal the distribution of tools that can be used to break encryption used in copyright protection schemes, not creating or using said tools.

    54. Re:Another Stupid Headline by stinerman · · Score: 1
      However, one important note is that legislation like the DRM is hardly capitalistic -- if anything, its socialism, enforcing a policy.

      Don't make the mistake of calling anything coercive "socialism". DRM and the legal framework that protects it is about ensuring profitability of a narrow interest at the expense of the public will. This is more properly defined as authoritarian and corporatist.
    55. Re:Another Stupid Headline by BalanceOfJudgement · · Score: 1
      Last time I checked, Motorola wasn't Apple.
      Have you ever actually held a ROKR? Damn thing feels like it will fall apart if you look at it wrong. Not to mention that it has basically bombed as a cell phone with flat sales, which is all the better for Apple - they don't want any serious competition to the iPod.

      And why shouldn't Apple license FairPlay (to Real or otherwise)? Not doing so only opens them to monopoly charges and infringes on consumer Fair Use rights.
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    56. Re:Another Stupid Headline by fossa · · Score: 2, Informative

      I did this. I bought an unlocked GSM phone and moved my SIM card to it. Worked fine, but was quite expensive and required some research to get the proper North American dual band phone (tri-bands with two European bands and one of the two North American bands are much more common and typically sold as "world phones"). Try convincing your friends (the ones who haven't lived in Europe long enough to buy a cell phone there) that this is the way to go when they get a new phone "for free" every few years. (Indeed, one of the big reasons I finally did it was that my locked phone broke a month out of warranty with seven months left on my stupid contract. I'm currently trying pre-paid + VoIP.) So, yes, it won't happen due to the will of the general public.

    57. Re:Another Stupid Headline by MS-06FZ · · Score: 2, Funny
      Just watch; I'll probably have 5 replies to this very message saying this.


      this.
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    58. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Myth of American Capitalism is one of the cornerstones of the Great American Mythos. The particular example (copyright) is not, however, a good example of socialism as the other poster implies, but simply government intervention. Not all government intervention in the economy is socialist in nature.

      The United States is of course not a capitalist country, and there are no first-world capitalist countries because all first-world countries intervene in their economies for more than establishing free markets. The United States heavily subsidizes various agricultural concerns; certain manufacturing concerns; the aerospace industry; intervenes on the behalf of and establishes local monopolies for telecommunications companies; implements various protectionist tariffs; provides a public school system; has various social programs providing for the general welfare of disadvantaged residents; has traditionally held an estate tax, subsidizes higher education through low-interest loans and grants; has a progressive federal income tax; offers tax incentives for various behaviors; heavily regulates gambling; and so on and so forth ad naueseum.

      The Myth of American Capitalism is perpetuated by two things: old us vs. them sentimentality from the Cold War (despite the U.S. actually having certain things called for in the Communist Manifesto), and right-wing and Libertarian political rhetoric. Politicians of course know how to push the buttons of those that resent taxation or "being told what to do" when it comes to taxes and related matters, and then simply take the money for their own causes when they're in power. They may lower various taxes, or they may not, but it matters little when deficit spending of future tax revenues threatens to collapse the fiat currency.

    59. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Zenaku · · Score: 1

      Never held the ROKR, heard it sucked, but Motorola also makes the RAZR and SLVR, both of which boast compatibility with iTunes.

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    60. Re:Another Stupid Headline by smcdow · · Score: 1

      ...so I can have my phone and MP3 player with me in one package.

      Um..., why?

      When I'm strapped in to the iPod I have the perfect excuse for not answering the phone -- couldn't hear it ringing.
      If your player is your phone, you lose that excuse.

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    61. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, yes.

      Capitalism -- the best government money can buy.

    62. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Montag2k · · Score: 1

      I have an LGVX8300, and it was a trivial effort to turn on MP3 functionality. You just had to hit "menu" and then "zero". Enter in all zeroes for the service code. The service menu has an option to turn on MP3 functionality.

      I believe that the Chocolate runs a very similar OS to the 8300, so you should be able do the same thing to enable mp3 functionality.

      Good luck,
      Montag
    63. Re:Another Stupid Headline by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      Next thing you know, they'll be talking about how they need more than two political parties to choose from!

      Speaking as the Brit, I think we'd be happy to just have one that was electable.

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    64. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Really? Even in the Soviet Union, they had one party to choose from--the Communist party!

    65. Re:Another Stupid Headline by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I don't think the Russian Communist Party falls into my definition of 'electable.'

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    66. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yep, that's what I was attempting to make fun of in my earlier post. Around many Americans, if you try to point out that something is done much better in Europe, you'll just receive a nasty reply about how Europe is Socialist, so by extension, doing anything in a way that emulates Europe is apparently Socialistic.

      Your comment about brains is the crux of the problem in America, and why maybe America should get rid of its representative government and move to an authoritarian one. Democracies, historically, only work with an educated populace. America is mostly uneducated, much like rural China, so that form of government just doesn't work here as we're currently seeing. That's probably why originally, only landowners were allowed to vote. Maybe we should require a college degree to vote. Or at least a high school diploma. Heck, even a basic skills test (what is 10 divided by 4? What does the word "benevolent" mean?) would probably weed out most of the voting-age population (including many who have high school diplomas).

    67. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Yvan256 · · Score: 1
      Just watch; I'll probably have 5 replies to this very message saying this.
      this.
    68. Re:Another Stupid Headline by technos · · Score: 1

      The Chocolate sucks as a phone, fails as a music player, and it's from LG to boot.

      So your options are.

      1. Jog without a cellphone. Cost zero.
      2. Buy a new cell that plays music but lose all your itms tracks. Cost $1400+

      Why not just buy a Shuffle for jogging? You'll be able to carry your cell, and at a hundred bucks, it's the cheapest way to go since you've locked yourself into iTunes.

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    69. Re:Another Stupid Headline by HeroreV · · Score: 2, Funny

      Better yet, let's just merge all companies into one.

    70. Re:Another Stupid Headline by jonwil · · Score: 1

      If you buy an E1 ROKR, a V3I RAZR or an L7 SLVR, you can put iTunes on them with a hack that unlocks it to have more songs.

    71. Re:Another Stupid Headline by kimvette · · Score: 1

      They need a lawyer and a judge who bothered to actually READ the DMCA.

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    72. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Millenniumman · · Score: 1

      The people have decided they are okay with crippled phones. If they weren't, the CDMA providers would lose a lot of sales. People still buy from them, though.

      Most people would probably rather just buy a phone and have the service anyway.

      I guess that whole thing about "the people" having the power is foolish, and we should give it all to our benevolent overlords to tell us what we want.

      The people have decided to mainly vote for two parties. No reasonable legislation can change this.

      Remember, the market reflects what the people really want, and are willing to work for. Pure democracy represents what the people write down on a piece of paper that they want, without ever doing anything to get it. Socialism, assuming everyone is a good person, reflects what the rulers think the people want. If they aren't all good, it reflects what the rulers want.

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    73. Re:Another Stupid Headline by kabz · · Score: 1

      Dude, just burn your purchased music to a regular CD-R and re-rip it. [[ Like it says in the iTunes help ]]

      The trip to Red Book Audio and back removes the DRM. It's tedious, but easy. Use a CD-RW for economy.

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    74. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      Can I transfer them over for free? My experience with VZW tells me that I probably can't
      my VZW LG vx8100 also unlocks mp3 with "menu 0000", and has a miny SD card, either a SD card reader, and the adapter that comes with most minysd cards to dump mp3's, or the USB adapter, and the free bitpim
      you can solder this connection and add this card or
      maybe I was just lucky, I bought a phone from ebay, pulled the cdma card located under the battery (pops right out) shoved it into the new phone (pops right in), then started calling.

    75. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1
      (your private key is generated and stored in the sound card and can't be retrieved)
      the generated part is what might make this work, but not mass sell-able.
      IE, the music must be encrypted for your private key, if anyone's private key works for all downloaded music, then once one person cracks one sound card, all the music ever drm'd for anyone with that key could immediatly be freed of DRM.

      If you encrypt every file for every individual player, at purchase, then it truly only works on one player, thats got to be too much for most of your music purchasing crowds.

      Seams to me for DRM to truly "win", it needs to displace all easily reproducable content for sale, which means selling to the IPOD crowd is a fun example for the industry to play with/look at, but not a way to use DRM to stomp piracy.
      In my opinion the only thing the IPOD drm does is lock the itunes store to the IPOD, by making all other players more difficult to use Itunes with. IF Itunes reduces piracy, I think DRM has nothing to do with it, it has to do with giving a really easy/fun way to get find and get reliable music. Perhaps making it non-trival to share your ipod collection reduces sharing among ipod users, but has no effect on the amount of music available for download.
    76. Re:Another Stupid Headline by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Complain to the executives that mandate DRM on all purchased media. Why do so many people act as though Apple invented DRM?

      Maybe because Apple uses the DRM to lock people into the iTunes/iPod combo?

    77. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Kjella · · Score: 1

      However, much like the Fair Use clause in copyright law, the proponents of DMCA invariably choose to overlook this clause in the DMCA. DVD Jon is in the clear when it comes to the DMCA because of this clause, only it seems that no cases have been defended citing this clause.

      No, DVD-Jon is in the clear of the DMCA because he's not from the US, and that defense has been cited by DVD copying apps. The defense didn't hold and they were found not guilty of copyright infringement, but guilty of violating the DRM protection clauses. You haven't heard of anyone successfully using that defense because it does not work

      I do not worry at ALL about ripping DVDs for use on my PocketPC and posting about it on here because that clause specifically allows me to use DeCSS to bypass DRM for the purpose of introperability (...)

      No, here's the catch-22. Distributing DeCSS has been decleared illegal. Hell, even linking to DeCSS has been decleared illegal (2600 case). And while I don't have a specific case to quote, even posessing DeCSS is illegal under the DMCA. Hell, even source code (a creative expression and copyrightable) is illegal, the first amendment defense has also been tried and struck down.

      The interoperability and reverse engineering clauses are meaningless because they require you to do it using fairie wings and pixie dust. Now, that might not be the way you read the DMCA, but it is the way it is enforced in courts of law. That is the essence of DMCA, you have the rights to fair use, but it's in a DRM safe so you can't do it (DMCA). You have the right to open the safe (DMCA exceptions), but you need the key so you can't do it (current precedent).

      Let me try to make the following as clear as possible: If you could legally have the tools to break DRM, then the courts would have to decide afterwards what was legal or not based on intent. That would essentially render the whole DRM protection clauses meaningless and reduce it back to pre-DMCA copyright law. The whole point of the DMCA is to outlaw decryption tools, making tools like DeCSS ex facto (well, at least before any copyright infringement) illegal to posess.

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    78. Re:Another Stupid Headline by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1
      Socialism, assuming everyone is a good person, reflects what the rulers think the people want.
      Not quite. Democratic socialism reflects what the people think other people want.
    79. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it dumb to pay $10 for an album's worth of lossy mp3's when you can buy the real deal from a used cd store like this one for $8?

      I'll go with a resounding "yep". (Seriously, I have nearly doubled my music collection by purchasing used cd's from online stores. I have never bought a lossy music file and never will -- there's just no good reason to when you can get the real deal for the same or less.)

    80. Re:Another Stupid Headline by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      Not here in China. China is a free market- there are still carrier subsidies for service plans, but the phones are sold unlocked (not sure how that works, but it sure is a great thing). There is also an open market for cell phones so that you can pick the one that suits you best without having to buy directly from the carrier (but subsidies don't apply unless you do) unless you're in CDMA. You can still load MP3s just like a normal MP3 player and features are hardly locked down at all, but one carrier has a monopoly on CDMA. This may be because neither carrier has network speeds fast enough to try to sell music through, though. Also, something I wish that carriers in the US would implement is escalating subsidies- buy a pricier service plan, get a bigger discount on the phone (taking note that all local cell phones are sold unlocked). The problem with this is that you are locked to a service plan- you have to pay a fee to change your service plan before your contract is up (2 years everywhere- no 1-year contracts).

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    81. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, the US economy is among the most heavily regulated in the entire world. If there is any aspect of "free" trade left untouched by the US government, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

      DRM, for example, is only "evil" because the DRM producers are able to buy laws and get the coercive power of government behind them.

    82. Re:Another Stupid Headline by VP · · Score: 1

      Cell carriers do distribute phones with mini- and micro-SD card slots, and the ability to load your mp3 files without a problem. Here is an example.

    83. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      "The interoperability and reverse engineering clauses are meaningless because they require you to do it using fairie wings and pixie dust."

      Not exactly. Some dude in another country did the heavy lifting on this one, and if I were to, say, finish up the work (by making it transparent, for example), and it took me no reversing work to do so, it's technically 'clean' so far as the DMCA and Apple's licensing goes. I am, after all, not reversing iTunes; that work's been done for me. All I'm doing is packaging the end result.

      Also, if you look at the QTFairUse6 code, iTunes itself is unlocking the data; you're just copying it out just after it gets decrypted, but just before it gets decoded. You don't need the keys at all; you're sneaking it out from under the gatekeeper's nose.

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    84. Re:Another Stupid Headline by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      CDMA card? Does this card look like a SIM card? If so, then I thought that only China did that. It would make it possible to buy the Korean LG Chocolate from China which comes MP3-capable and put in the CDMA card to start using the phone.

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    85. Re:Another Stupid Headline by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      Expensive? Oh right, you want BOTH North American bands. That's what's keeping your cost up- if you can get by with only 1900MHz, it'll be much cheaper for you (I can find the V801SH- the Japanese version of the Sharp TM150- for less than $70 here in China if I look on eBay (Chinese site only), and about $110 if I were to go to a store.

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    86. Re:Another Stupid Headline by uab21 · · Score: 1

      I have a Verizon Wireless Chocolate phone, and I was able to put MP3 files on the microSD card and play them without having to do *anything* to the phone. I pulled the microSD card out, put it in a SanDisk reader and plugged it into my PC. a simple drag and drop later I had a bunch of MP3 files on the card which when re-inserted into the phone showed up on the menu and played just fine from the phone. No Windows Media Player. No translation. Just played. Now getting something other than VCast applications to work.... that appears a bit harder. Somehow I think that the world of Trusted Computing where every app must be signed is going to be just like the BREW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BREW) world of Verizon phones.

    87. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      ya, sim card is the proper term, thanks.
      my understanding is that all CDMA compatabile handsets must use the same SIM card (doesn't have to be easily removed though.)
      Again, my understanding (whoping success rate of 1 success out of 1 attempt) is if you got any CDMA capable handset from VZW, that can be placed into any other CDMA phone, and your number goes with it (compatible network blah blah blah)

      That choclate phone is really pretty (and linux, whatever), but with only a 128mb of shared memory, I am not about to trade in my stereo mp3 playing VX8100 with a 512MB compact-sd for less than $150 (picked phone up on ebay for total price of $85 + $10 shipping + $50 for 512 MB sim card, no contract required...)

    88. Re:Another Stupid Headline by jwo7777777 · · Score: 1

      ["Now all restaurants are Taco Bell."]

    89. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You're right, of course, but try telling that bit about the US economy being heavily regulated to the "free trade" right-wingers out there. They won't believe you. Or they'll blame it all on the Democrats.

    90. Re:Another Stupid Headline by fossa · · Score: 1

      Is there an easy way to find which one you need? I was under the impression that most of the US was covered by a single band, but that a few areas did use the other one; since I move around a bit, I thought better safe than sorry. It isn't all that hard to find a cheap dual-band phone that's been unlocked, which is what I should have done rather than purchasing a never-been-locked phone, but it requires some research.

    91. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Millenniumman · · Score: 1

      In a democracy, the rulers are the majority (what you labeled as "the people")

      In a perfect world, democratic socialism reflects what the majority think everyone wants. In the real world, it reflects what the majority immediately desire.

      Freedom is the only system that truly reflects what the people want, and takes into account how much they want it.

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    92. Re:Another Stupid Headline by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Is it wrong? No ($0)
      Is it illegal? $500,000 and five years in prison
      Realizing it was really dumb to spend $1,000 on DRMed music? Priceless.

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    93. Re:Another Stupid Headline by epee1221 · · Score: 1

      Even so, the RIAA probably has enough clout through the content that does involve them that they can demand blanket DRM-ing.

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    94. Re:Another Stupid Headline by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      All I can say is that California is all 1900- for everyhwere else, the general rule is that "middle of nowhere" areas are covered by 850 while urman areas are covered by 1900.

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  3. So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    yeah, i broke it too - burn to cd, rip to MP3. Done and done

    1. Re:So what by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      You lose quality by re-encoding it using a different lossy algorithm.

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    2. Re:So what by doxology · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder if it's possible to create a sort of virtual CD-writer that'll trick iTunes into thinking it's burning to a CD but it's really just writing it somewhere on your HD.

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    3. Re:So what by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      Only if you re-encode it to another lossy algorithm. Every platform has a lossless compressed codec available at this stage (although sadly there's not really a clear standard across platforms). Just recompress to Apple Lossless or FLAC and you've got a DRM-free file that's the same quality as the original DRMed one.

      Given the way that hard disk space is increasing, I think the reasons for using lossy compressions are less compelling every day. I've said elsewhere that the killer feature of the next jukebox program I use (i.e., this is what would get me to switch from iTunes) would be the ability to seamlessly transcode songs on-the-fly, only when it's necessary because you're putting them onto a capacity-restricted portable device.

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    4. Re:So what by Yvan256 · · Score: 1
      Given the way that hard disk space is increasing, I think the reasons for using lossy compressions are less compelling every day.
      Not really. Even if you were able to sell a 80GB iPod nano, people would still use lossy CODECs. Taking the default AAC@128kbps as an example, you get 11 times more storage by using AAC vs Apple Lossless.

      Of course, there will be a point where everyone will own enough storage capacity to store every song/tune ever made, but we'll also have other things to store, and compressing that music library to 1/11th of its size is still a good thing.

      Lossy audio is crap, you say? Well, if most people were able to listen to 128kbps MP3s, then they should be ok with 128kbps AACs.
    5. Re:So what by fat+man+with+a+monke · · Score: 1

      Would it be possible to tell Alcohol 120% or a similar program to mount "blank media" and then tell iTunes to burn a disc to it?

    6. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And metadata

    7. Re:So what by Bungopolis · · Score: 1

      There is a $40 German application called Virtual CD (http://www.virtualcd-online.com/) that does just this. It works with iTunes but requires a patch (see http://www.virtualcd-online.com/vcd/apps/support/c forum.cfm?forumid=105768 for a discussion of burning from iTunes and links to the patch). The program was quite buggy when I tried it, but it did successfully allow me to burn and rip a CD's worth of songs from the iTMS without making a coaster. I have not found a free or OSS equivalent, or even another commercial program that will actually emulate a CD writer (there are, of course, many that will emulate CD readers).

    8. Re:So what by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is true, to an extent. You are almost always going to want to use a lossy codec on your portable player. However, there's really no reason that you should store the music in your library in the same format, when you have a hard drive that's many times the size, and easy to expand, and gets upgraded more frequently. (If you have a flash-based player, then your HD is definitely going to be far larger; if you have a HD player, it might or might not.)

      What I'd like to see is a system where the music is storted on the computer in the library in a lossless format, and then when you sync your player, if it can fit on as lossless, then that's how it goes. (There are a lot of people running around with half-full or less iPods!) If it can't, then it would start to compress it using the codec of your choice.

      Obviously, this could increase sync times a lot -- if you had a player that was filled to the gills as lossless, and then you wanted to add more music to it, you would need to clear the player, and add all the music on as compressed files. (Or at least some of it.) But I don't think this is a deal-breaker; you could do the updating as a batch process at night, when most people just leave their player sitting on its charging cradle.

      Computers are fast enough now that I really don't think that the performance hit you'd get during copying, caused by the on-the-fly lossless to lossy transcoding, would really be that big a problem. It's a pretty easy process to multithread, meaning that you can easily take advantage of modern architectures (you have separate threads for at least the decoding and reencoding of each file, and you do multiple files at the same time). In a few more years, we'll probably get to the point where the process would be I/O rather than processor-bound anyway, if chips keep getting faster and computers keep getting more cores. (Unless they start using faster hard drives or memory in portable players.)

      Anyway, so I'm not disagreeing with you; people are always going to want to get the most from their investment in a portable player. However, in some cases, getting "the most with what you have" might indicate using a lossless codec instead of a lossy one (if you have a player big enough to fit your music losslessly); I'm just proposing that we make software that's intelligent enough to do the optimization.

      Although you do have a point; most people think 128kbit MP3 sounds good, so they might not care. :-/

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    9. Re:So what by misleb · · Score: 1

      You coudl use Audio Hijack on the Mac to intercept the digital audio (not analog) and save it to a file or even re-encode it direct to mp3. Audio Hijack creates a virtual sound card. But I suppose that would be a little slow. You couldn't encode faster than the song plays. A virtual CD would be nearly ideal.

      -matthew

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    10. Re:So what by vertinox · · Score: 1

      yeah, i broke it too - burn to cd, rip to MP3. Done and done

      Yeah... The quality is crap too after going from lossy AAC to cd and then back to lossy.

      Personally, AAC is a horid format and OGG and MP3 are 100 times better if you are an audifile.

      I will have to credit with Apple keeping the file sizes down though with AAC.

      Besides the DRM and bad quality I don't buy iTunes AACs because they screw the artists.

      Its still easier for me to go to my indie privatley owned local CD shop and buy the CD and then rip it at highest quality MP3. It sounds better and I feel better by giving more money to the artist and local folks.

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    11. Re:So what by danielaborg · · Score: 1

      No you didn't.

    12. Re:So what by BalanceOfJudgement · · Score: 1
      Given the way that hard disk space is increasing, I think the reasons for using lossy compressions are less compelling every day.
      Storage isn't really the only concern for compression - an equally (if not more important, at this point) concern is transmission. Despite broadband internet connections, there are still slower connections, like cell phones; and although I might be able to download at 3mbps at home, if the other 400 users at my cable junction are doing the same thing, traffic will slow to a crawl.
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    13. Re:So what by tirefire · · Score: 1

      1. AAC has its flaws (compatibility), but MP3 sounds awful at any bitrate compared to AAC or OGG. And OGG isn't compatible with iTunes / iPod. Winner: AAC.

      2. iTunes screws the artists just as much as buying their CD in the case of both indie artists and RIAA slaves.

    14. Re:So what by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

      What I'd like to see is a system where the music is storted on the computer in the library in a lossless format, and then when you sync your player, if it can fit on as lossless, then that's how it goes. (There are a lot of people running around with half-full or less iPods!) If it can't, then it would start to compress it using the codec of your choice.

      Obviously, this could increase sync times a lot --

      There is an existing codec that can do pretty much what you ask WITHOUT transcoding: Wavpack.

      Wavpack is a pretty neat little codec that does both lossy and lossless compression. It also has a "hybrid" lossless mode that creates two files: one is fixed bitrate lossy audio (.wv), the other is the "correction" file (.wvc) which contains all the discarded data from the lossy compression and together the two files comprise a lossless track.

      So for your scenario, you could have your home library ripped with hybrid Wavpack and have lossless goodness, but to load to your portable player you could load only the lossy portion to save space. No extra transcoding needed.

      The only drawback is that Wavpack is not supported by any hardware devices out of the box, though the Wikipedia article says that players that can run Rockbox can play Wavpack.

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    15. Re:So what by doxology · · Score: 1

      Hmm.. it doesn't seem particularly difficult to write a program that:

      -Mounts itself as a CD (or DVD) writer
      -Creates an .iso or similar file instead of actually burning a disc
      -Optionally automatically rips audio files off .iso into $format and then deletes the image.

      Does any actual programmer want to start an OSS project to do that? =P

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    16. Re:So what by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      Taking the default AAC@128kbps as an example, you get 11 times more storage by using AAC vs Apple Lossless.

      I don't know how you work this out. CD audio is 150KB/s (1264Kb/s). 1264/128=9.875, meaning 128Kb/s AAC (or MP3, or whatever) is just under one tenth the size of raw CD audio. Apple Lossless typically shrinks files by about a half, meaning that you get about five (maybe six) times more storage space using 128Kb/s AAC than Apple Lossless (or FLAC), not eleven.

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    17. Re:So what by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      iTunes screws the artists just as much as buying their CD in the case of both indie artists and RIAA slaves.

      This is only half true. iTunes 'screws the artist' the just as much by directly paying them the same (small) fraction of the money from the sale. About 60% (as I recall) of the money goes directly to the record label. The difference is, with most indie labels, the majority of this money goes to the artist, while RIAA labels tend to spend it on 'publicity.'

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    18. Re:So what by Stone+Rhino · · Score: 1

      From Wikipedia:
      Bit rate = 44100 samples/s × 16 bit/sample × 2 channels = 1411.2 kbit/s (more than 10 MB per minute)

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    19. Re:So what by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      My mistake.

      You get 11 times more storage by using AAC@128kbps instead of the original audio (in the case of CD audio at 44.1KHz, 16 bit stereo). You get 5.5 times more storage by using AAC@128kbps instead of Apple Lossless (with the typical/average 50% compression).

      And by the way CD audio is not 150 KB/sec. CD audio data is 44100 x 2 (stereo) x 2 (16 bit) = 176 400 bytes per second or 172.27 KiB/sec.

    20. Re:So what by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      And by the way CD audio is not 150 KB/sec. CD audio data is 44100 x 2 (stereo) x 2 (16 bit) = 176 400 bytes per second or 172.27 KiB/sec.

      Yes, you are quite correct. The 150KB/s number comes from the data rate that ISO9660 achieves at the same read speed (i.e. the speed of a single-speed CD-ROM). I forgot that the framing was different for Red Book CD Audio.

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  4. Behold... by crazyjeremy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...the power of Python.

    1. Re:Behold... by growse · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It'd crack it 10 times quicker if they'd done it in perl :p

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    2. Re:Behold... by doxology · · Score: 5, Funny

      Steve Jobs: Get these mother$@%@#$@ snakes off my mother%@$@#@@# OS!

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    3. Re:Behold... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because there is no other way to do this... [rolling of eyes]... moron...

    4. Re:Behold... by legoburner · · Score: 4, Funny

      Programming language handles file input, processing and output. News at 11.00.

    5. Re:Behold... by 'nother+poster · · Score: 1

      Ruby, you fool. Yes, Ruby... On Rails. Yessss. ;)

    6. Re:Behold... by crazyjeremy · · Score: 1

      I was actually being a big sarcastic. Python is great and all, but I think this could have been done in many other ways that would be faster or more efficient.

    7. Re:Behold... by cptgrudge · · Score: 1

      Programming language handles file input, processing and output. News at 11.00.

      Sounds like a bizarro world Ric Romero headline.

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    8. Re:Behold... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "mother$@%@#$@" is Perl, not censored English!

    9. Re:Behold... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      No-one expects snakes on a plane. Their main weapon is surprise!

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    10. Re:Behold... by Tennguin · · Score: 1

      And WHY exactly would you want this code to run faster? Its bottle necked by the fact that it has to wait for iTunes to decrypt the file as it plays. The application is simply grabbing frames from memory using an attached debugger. Tell me why you would want to optimize such a trivial operation? To eek out another 100th of a millisecond? I love C but there is NOTHING wrong with using interpreted languages in most cases.

    11. Re:Behold... by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 1

      NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!

    12. Re:Behold... by pdbaby · · Score: 1

      And the award for redundancy goes to...

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  5. I wonder.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    I wonder how many of the itunes fanboys (who crowed in the story about playsforsure being cracked) are going to be here hanging their heads in shame?

    1. Re:I wonder.... by Alzdran · · Score: 1

      My guess? Not many, since the fallout is significantly different with a subscription model.

    2. Re:I wonder.... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      You count them, and get back to me, OK?

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    3. Re:I wonder.... by GweeDo · · Score: 1

      My guess is 0. People that use/enjoy iTunes Music store do so because it is easy, fast and of good quality (in their book). I can't think of one person that buys music of iTunes because it has FairPlay DRM on it.

    4. Re:I wonder.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love iTunes!
      I have over 60,000 tracks in my iTunes Library!
      Not a single track I own has DRM because I bought the CDs.
      I've never purchased a single song from iTunes Music Store because I prefer full quality AIFFs w/ no DRM.
      Most of the CDs I've bought were bought used and cost less than the new album from the iTunes Music Store.
      To hear people bitch and moan, you would think there is not a choice... BUT THERE IS!!!!

    5. Re:I wonder.... by dorianh49 · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I can imagine the conversations now:

      "My restrictive, DRM-encumbered, overpriced music files are more secure than yours. Neener neener."

      "Nuh uh. Read TFA."

      "Oh. I hang my head in shame."

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  6. Macs have this ability - via iMovie by cultrhetor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You don't need a special software tool if you own a Mac. This is a fairly old trick - and time consuming - but it works pretty well. If you have the license for the piece of music (if you're on one of the five computers licensed to listen to the track), you can open it without problems in iMovie, save it as an AIFF file (uncompressed audio), and then import it into iTunes as an mp3 or whatever you choose. It works pretty well - and it's a bit of a lifesaver if your wife happens to crash her Windows box on a regular basis, forcing a reformat and reinstall about once every six months.

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    1. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by crazyjeremy · · Score: 1

      Seems like a lot of hassle, but effective. Is this workaround something Apple could/would disable in the future?

    2. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by joe+155 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hate to sound like a troll but why do you use iTunes when you have these problems and say yourself that the fix is time consuming?

      I want a legal system, so I use allofmp3 (because it is legal in my country (the UK)), but isn't there any alternatives for you to iTunes without DRM at all?

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    3. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by localman · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that's not what people are talking about. You can do it with a CD as well, but in either case you lose some quality. True that most folks won't notice the difference between a re-encoded mp3 and a decrypted AAC, but some will. So for those folks this is pretty useful.

      Cheers.

    4. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Sure. Buy a used CD and rip to whatever format you want. Much cheaper than iTunes though you have to wait for the CD to be delivered.

      Or buy songs from Allofmp3.com. Either way, you get all the music without giving a penny to those selfish artists who have the audacity to record music you like to listen to.

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    5. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Well, here in the US as much as we'd like to think allofmp3 is legal, it either isn't or at the very least there's the chance that eventually the RIAA will manage to intimidate them somehow and seize their records. Personally I don't want to bother with the RIAA ever getting ahold of their records and serving me; even if I have a better chance of winning the lottery, running outside, and getting struck by lightning while I cheered being a millionaire.

      Personally, I don't care that much about the iTunes DRM in its present state. I'm not big on portable mp3 players anymore so it doesn't affect me there, and my car (while new) doesn't have an mp3 player (just an indash 6CD changer) so if I really need to I burn some mix CDs. And I don't have enough PCs to use up my activations (and if I did I'd just deactivate the least-used-one). And I like the UI well enough, so in all I don't have any reason to take these annoying steps.

      Sure, to some people the iTunes DRM is probably quite annoying. And if I had a portal mp3 player or one built into my car I'd probably start doing something. But in its current state it's not even a nuisance to me.

    6. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Dr_LHA · · Score: 1

      That "hole" in iMovie was closed a long time ago, so that only works if you have an old copy of iMovie from before the fix.

      However what you're talking about is no different from burning to a CD, just without producing the coaster. Its far from removing the DRM from a AAC file.

    7. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by joe+155 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      come now, this has nothing to do with "stealing" from artists, this has everything to do with people wanting to be able to use what they have bought in what they consider to be a fair way (which I would say is me being able to put it onto every computer/player I own so that I can listen to it where ever I decide). It also has a lot to do with me wanting to be able to buy music in a format which suits me best and in a quality which I choose.

      I would also disagree with the tone of your post which seems to suggest that you think that the artists get the lions share, or even a reasonable amount of the money which is paid for a song/album - which simply isn't true.

      Finally I would say that as far as I am aware artists can get money from allofmp3 is they register with ROMS (although this might be wrong... someone will have to say either way...)

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    8. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the same as burning to CD and re-ripping.
      Going from AAC to AIFF then back to MP3 degrades the audio substantially.

    9. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe it would just be easier to get another wife...

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    10. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you about iTunes. My daughter got an ipod for Christmas last year. I also let her buy about $15 worth of music from iTunes to go with it. At the time I did not realize that the music I "bought" would be limited to only playing on a couple of computers. What a crock of s###!!! I paid for the music, I want it in a format that allows me to play it in my car or on my home stereo or wherever I want. Steve Jobs will NEVER get another penny of my money for ANYTHING.

    11. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Andrewkov · · Score: 1
      eventually the RIAA will manage to intimidate them somehow and seize their records.

      and their CD's and tapes too!

    12. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want a legal system, so I use allofmp3 (because it is legal in my country (the UK)), but isn't there any alternatives for you to iTunes without DRM at all?

      allofmp3 is not legal, get over it. I will be glad to call it legal when we (an exclusive digital distibrutor of a number of artists on allofmp3) and/or our labels and/or artists see a single dime from them.

    13. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by sabshire · · Score: 1

      Actually, this doesn't work in the latest iMovie. You have to have video attached. You can no longer just add a sounds track, and then export to aiff.

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    14. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      "you get all the music without giving a penny to those selfish artists who have the audacity to record music you like to listen to."

      You really don't have an understanding of how the music industry works do you?? The biggest artists on a label are extemely lucky to ever see 10% of the profit form record sales. That's profit, not gross. After all other bills are paid and everyone else gets their cut (managers, promoters, advertisers, pressers, radio station payola, etc.), if there is anything left, it goes to the artist. Typically a "big name" band will make less than 50 cents from every CD sold. If you want to support an artist or band, go see their live shows and buy merch directly from them. Thoses are the two biggest money makers for the actual musicians. If you buy a CD or T-shirt from a band at a show , they will typically make a few dollars - way more than the label selling their CD.

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    15. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you'll use up a ton of cd's...

    16. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Because AllOfMP3's selection (especially with regards to Christian music) is poor?

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    17. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by peragrin · · Score: 1

      You do realize that iMovieHD plugs that hole right? you are required to install a video file as well. I haven't tried seperating it out later but combining the two would result in quality and tme loss. Burning and then ripping would be faster.

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    18. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      You really don't have an understanding of how the music industry works do you?? The biggest artists on a label are extemely lucky to ever see 10% of the profit form record sales.

      I'm sure they'd much rather have the reward of that 10% than fuck all.

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    19. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry dude, from every account I can gather it is legal in the UK. So just because its not legal from where you come from doesn't mean you're welcome to whine about it to the rest of us. So pucker up.

    20. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feeding the troll, but don't you just have to apply for the money you're owed from either Allofmp3 or the Russian government's copyright ministry (I don't remember exactly which one)? Not that I think Allofmp3 is legal, but I was under the impression that the argument that no artists are being paid is unfair, since the RIAA labels refuse to apply for their cut to avoid giving the impression of legitimacy.

    21. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, they would actually rather have you come to their shows and buy stuff. That way they get 100% of the profit. I manage bands and talk to musicians all the time. They would rather you illegaly download their music and have you exposed to it - that increases the chance that you will come to see them live, where they can actually make money. Most bands I know don't see CDs as money makers, but as the way to get you to the money maker.

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    22. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by moyix · · Score: 1

      One thing I would love to see is something similar to Daemon Tools, only that emulates a CDRW/DVDRW drive rather than a CD/DVD-ROM, and writes info out to a CD image. That would at least eliminate the "coaster" byproduct of the iTunes download/burn/rip/encode dance.

    23. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bzzzt. Wrong (at least in the case of used CDs.)

      The fact that CDs have resale value when you come to the realization that the music is crap supports prices in the original sale market. It is indirect, but by buying a used CD, you allow folks to charge more for new CDs, and therefore are putting monye in the artists pocket.*

      * This formulation works in a universe where market forces are allowed to act on prices and are not just made irrelevant by monopoly practices. And also (in the same universe) CD salses must result in measureable payment to someone who can be identified as an "artist" (Hint: Lawyer for the label != artist) We don't live in such a universe, but there is nothing that the consumer can do about that.

    24. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are several such applications available including Nero!

    25. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

      It can be played on 5 computers - not two (that's usually what a "couple" means). As for the rest you could - um - burn a CD like I do to listen to it everywhere else. Nice try at FUD though. And I'm sure you'll make a huge dent in iTunes' sales. Just like that blockbuster hyped on the internet - Snakes on a Plane! Free music joins the ranks of free beer quite a bit around here don't it?

    26. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Devalia · · Score: 1

      Legal in the UK? Still seems a bit of a grey area

      BBC News
      Of course thats basically the BPI saying its not legal in russia, and thus not legal here -- An earlier article (I'm sure theres loads more than this, seems to suggest at the very least it is legal in Russia at the moment, here.

      IANAL though, and I have no idea how importing laws etc work if it is legal in Russia, has it even been tested in courts etc how the internet and geographical location of server/company etc - It seems logical for the registered office of the country to be where the sale originates from? (as if flying to russia and buying from a record store there?)

      Food for thought anyway!

    27. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "Christian music is poor."

      I fixed your punctuation there. I should also qualify by saying "modern Christian music is poor". I love me the Jesus, but boy do I ever not love "contemporary Christian" drivel.

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    28. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Bzzzt. Wrong. I buy good music on used CDs. Somehow I don't expect many new releases from, say, John Coltrane.

      Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. Slashdot is like a game show now. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt.

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    29. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by joe+155 · · Score: 1

      I would say it is legal in the UK because of a rather obscure law from the 80s (yay, another thing to thank our beloved Maggie for!) but if you read http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_1988004 8_en_3.htm#mdiv22 and consider the phrase "otherwise for his private and domestic use" then I'm not sure if you could think of a way of looking at it which wouldn't make it legal...

      Although as a side point about it's legality in Russia, which will ultimately have the biggest impact on how it operates, I think it might become illegal on sept. 1st, which would be bad... best spend the balance now and wait it out... it might be ok ;)

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    30. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by moyix · · Score: 1

      I think you may be misunderstanding what I mean--I'm talking about something that creates a device that looks to every other app like a standard CDRW device, but when burned to, creates an image instead. As far as I know, Nero can't do that.

      Since I posted this, though, I did find Original CD Emulator

      , which purports to do what I want. Anyone heard of any other software like this, possibly even something that can also emulate a DVD-R/W device?
    31. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by shark72 · · Score: 1

      "Feeding the troll, but don't you just have to apply for the money you're owed from either Allofmp3 or the Russian government's copyright ministry (I don't remember exactly which one)? Not that I think Allofmp3 is legal, but I was under the impression that the argument that no artists are being paid is unfair, since the RIAA labels refuse to apply for their cut to avoid giving the impression of legitimacy."

      These are webcasting licenses. Record labels get a cut of webcasting royalties (as opposed to 0% of royalties from terrestrial broadcasting licenses), but artists get the big chunk of the pie.

      It's been estimated that allofmp3 pays ROMS about $200 a month for the webcasting licensing. If they sell 50K tracks a month, that is four hundredths of a cent per track.

      So, in short, even if I were an artist I would not bother trying to get the money to avoid giving them a sense of legitmacy. And, even if my guess was that they sold a thousand copies of my track, I would be owed forty cents (vs. perhaps $100 that I would make on 1,000 sales on the iTMS). I would likely pay more than forty cents on the postage for the paperwork.

      Additionally, unlike every other online music store in the world, allofmp3.com does not tell artists or record companies how much of each track they've sold. Artists have tried, and been denied. And, frankly, why would allofmp3.com tell them if they're not legally obligated to? If you're a signed artist it's hard enough to get sales figures from your own record company.

      So, if you guesstimated that you'd sold 1,000 tracks on the site and figured you were owed $0.40, getting that money would pretty much be contingent on the honor system. "You just have to apply" is simplifying it too much.

      I know we like to tell musicians "suck it up and face the future" and "nobody guarantees you success" etc., but expecting them to apply to a Russian agency to get $0.004 per track may be a bit much. Use allofmp3.com if you think it's a good deal. Nothing wrong with trying to get the best deal for your dollar. But don't make the mistake that assuming that artists will see any of that money, even if they apply directly.

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    32. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 1

      Why get a CDRW emulator? Why not just get a CDRW? Now if you had said CDR I could see...wait, no I couldn't. Why would you want a CDR emulator when you can get a CDRW?

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    33. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      It depends on how you look at it. The obvious, sensible interpretation is that when the customer buys from AllOfMP3, AllOfMP3 make the copy and the customer imports it. Clearly that would be legal according to the law you cite. A twisted interpretation, which I'm sure the BPI would consider using, is that the customer makes the copy through the act of purchasing, despite not actually ever coming into contact with the original. Since it would be the customer making the copy and not merely importing it, the law you cite wouldn't apply.

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    34. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by joe+155 · · Score: 1

      actually I had never thought of that line of interpretation, and I wouldn't put it past them to try, although if they did would it not have massive effects on other areas... just thinking about it they argued that when people used a system called CHAPS then the money was created anew so I suppose this might be able to be argued that way... if they did do it it might open up more piracy because of the law being a bit of a delicate balence and with anything new you can get new loop-holes...

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    35. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      There are two competing questions here. What is legal, and what is ethical. Legal is easy; there are written laws to base things on. Ethical is a trickier question, but here is my definition: What form of behaviour will, if followed, have the greatest chance of creating the kind of world in which I want to live? Since I enjoy music, some form of financial restitution for artists (both writers and performers) that I enjoy seems in order. Paying money to RIAA-affiliated record labels does not seem ethical (not much of a problem for me, since I tend not to want to listen to many RIAA-signed acts, and I can quite easily live without the few that I do consider any good). Here's a possible solution, assuming that allofmp3.com is found to be legal in your jurisdiction (it's currently awaiting the outcome of the BPI's lawsuit in the UK to determine this here):

      Buy your tracks from allofmp3.com. This gives you a legal copy of the music, and satisfies the first condition. Next, send a cheque to the artists in question, with a covering letter thanking them for producing the music.

      It's a short term solution. In the long term, I would rather pay a small fixed-rate every month to be distributed amongst artists in exchange for being legally able to acquire music from any source. A small script could scan my iTunes library and send off my ratings and play counts, and this would determine who got the biggest share of the money.

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    36. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      They can't have it both ways. If the downloader makes the copy, then sharing files on filesharing networks is legal (but downloading is illegal). Actually, I would prefer this interpretation. It should be the responsibility of the downloader to ensure that they have a license for the material they are downloading; the uploader is simply providing a service for those who have lost their physical media.

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    37. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      allofmp3 is not legal, get over it. I will be glad to call it legal when we (an exclusive digital distibrutor of a number of artists on allofmp3) and/or our labels and/or artists see a single dime from them.
      I wouldn't really say iTunes is much better.
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    38. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by shark72 · · Score: 1

      "Here's a possible solution, assuming that allofmp3.com is found to be legal in your jurisdiction (it's currently awaiting the outcome of the BPI's lawsuit in the UK to determine this here):"

      FWIW, I believe that the Russian sites will be found to be legal in the UK under existing law. However, the BPI et al. will lobby to have the law changed.

      "Buy your tracks from allofmp3.com. This gives you a legal copy of the music, and satisfies the first condition. Next, send a cheque to the artists in question, with a covering letter thanking them for producing the music."

      I would not assume that all musicians would be happy with this arrangement. Here's why:

      1. Several people get paid royalties for each sale. In addition to contractual royalties that the "name" performers get, there are statuatory royalties, called mechanicals, that go to composers, lyricists and the like. You are putting the burden on the "name" performer to take your check and divvy it up among everybody who would otherwise get the royalty. This puts the "name" performer in a tough situation: do they waste their time doing busywork cashing your $5.00 check and writing out a bunch of smaller checks, or do they keep all the money and short the composers and lyricists out of their share? Not all musicians want to be accountants and, in fact, that's one of the benefits of having a recording contract -- there are accountants to handle all of that busywork for you, so you can just worry about performing.
      2. When they get your check and they know you have pirated the music, they will know that they are (likely) one less step away from their record being profitable and (even more likely) one less step away from their record company renewing their contract for another album. While I am sure that there are some artists who desparately want out of their contracts and desparately hope that their record will fail so they can proceed to, say, sell their next record on Magnatune or CDBaby, I think it's best if we assume that your average musician of whom you're a fan is an autonomous person with at least as much as intelligence as you, and that they have a recording contract because they want one. The "by pirating I am actually helping the artist by freeing them of the shackle of an old-model recording contract" is a perfect example of the broken window fallacy.

      "In the long term, I would rather pay a small fixed-rate every month to be distributed amongst artists in exchange for being legally able to acquire music from any source."

      At least one "authorized" P2P service startup is trying out that model. I agree, it may work. We'll see. There are lots of as-untested models out there for selling music that allows everybody involved in the creation of the music to be paid fairly.

      This is the approach I use:

      1. If I like a piece of music, I buy it.
      2. If I don't like it, I don't. I don't pirate it, either.

      Like you, it just so happens that the majority of the music I like is put out by smaller indie labels, so I'm not primarily funding the media conglomerates.

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    39. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1
      The biggest artists on a label are extemely lucky to ever see 10% of the profit form record sales.

      U2 seem to be doing okay for themselves. Estimated to have earnt $1.1B over their career.

    40. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by sumdumass · · Score: 1
      It should be the responsibility of the downloader to ensure that they have a license for the material they are downloading

      Thats just a wrong way to look at it. Would you want to be responsible for all the music you bought from walmart when they discover thier discounted Korean distributer is just passing pirated copies?

      If you go into a store that gives you the impression of a legit business, It should in no way be on you to know if the CDs they sell are legaly produced or if the smokes came thru proper channels instead of falling of a truck destined for somewhere else. Thats the purpose of going to a legit store or place of distribution. In the real world, recieving stolen property needs a qualifyer of you knowing or should have known the stuff was stolen. This means if you walk into walmart and buy a stolen TV, you don't have much to worry about, if however, you bought it behind walmart from some guy passing out the back door or in an alley in the middle of the poorest section of town, then you do.

      And anyways, in most jurisdictions, If you did recieve stolen property and there isn't good reason to believe you knew it ws stolen, the rigthfull owner has to make resitution in order to get it back. I doubt the *AAs could make you delete the music without compensating you for it.

      Lets keep copyright violation were it is, with the distibuting of the material. Yes there is a thing about making copies but that is only for people who don't have a right to have the material. This is why it is fair use to record radio and television and has already been addressed in the sony-beta max stuff. It is not a copyright violation for you to tape a record album or CD or a television program or a radio program as long as itr is for your personal use and you own the medium or have rigths to the meduim. And yes listening to the radio give you a legal right to that medium. It is however a violation for you to show it comercialy or distribute those copies. You couldn't split the cost of a CD with a friend and give him a ripped copy under the law. You could share the cost and let him have it on tues and thurs, every other weekend and every other holiday. except fathers day and the fourth of july. /but neither of you should be held acountable if the store sold you a pirated CD.
    41. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Weird.. for a second I thought your post said "Hi, I just created a Slashdot account yesterday to announce that I speak for all musicians. For the record, they all like exactly the same thing, so please address your comments directly to me in the future and I will tell you what that is."

    42. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by BobTheLawyer · · Score: 1

      Section 22 applies to the importing of physical objects. When a person in the UK downloads an MP3 then he is copying a file, and section 17(2) means that he is breaching section 16(a) if he doesn't have authorisation from the UK copyright holder. Whether allopfmp3.com has authorisation from the Russian copyright holder is not relevant to this.

    43. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      And for every U2 there are hundreds of bands who make nothing.

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    44. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Weird...for a second I thought you had something to offer to the conversation. For the record, you are exactly the same as all the other stupid juvenile Slashdot posters, so please address comments directly to you in the future, and you will reply with something stupid.

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    45. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you get the name "Stikypad" becasue of all the jerking off to gay porn you do?

    46. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Eccles · · Score: 1

      How about I buy FLACs (or whatever) off of allofmp3 and then send the artists some cash?

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    47. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by PRMan · · Score: 1

      If you go by what's played on most Christian Radio stations, I would agree with you. But there's tons of good stuff out there, but to the point of the article, none of it on (Most)OfMP3.

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    48. Re:Macs have this ability - via iMovie by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I appreciate the distinction you've made. Me? I haven't found much written after 1900 that I don't find saccharine and icky. Seems like lots of acts nowadays have sincerity, and righteousness, and not a heck of a lot of talent.

      Out of curiosity, what are you looking for?

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  7. A Link to a download by smitingpurpleemu · · Score: 4, Informative
  8. wonder if works for itunes video by schnikies79 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    burning to a cd and ripping dosen't quite for that..

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    Gone!
  9. Why not Napster? by robpoe · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    14.99 / month for Napster 2 Go.

    $15.00 one time charge for WMAConvert software..

    All the unprotected MP3 files I could ever need.

    Yeah, ok, so I'm listening to sound quality that's less because I went from one lossy to another. BFD - I can't hear the difference anyway.

    As long as I have my Napster subscription -- I can download all the stuff I want, and I'll rely on Fair Use Copyright Law to rest my conscience. No, I don't upload or share.

    I just can't stand slow assed .WMV files...

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    = Grow a brain...
    1. Re:Why not Napster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how is that guy offtopic? were talking about drm ...

    2. Re:Why not Napster? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      If everyone did this, as you suggest, Napster would go out of business.

      Better for you NOT to advertise this solution and instead take advantage of the fact that not everyone does this.

    3. Re:Why not Napster? by JonTurner · · Score: 1

      >>If everyone did this, as you suggest, Napster would go out of business.

      What? If everyone did this, Napster would have a lot of customers and recurring income.

    4. Re:Why not Napster? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      Um, well, it goes like this:

      1) Subscribe, pay for a month or two
      2) Download every track available
      3) Strip DRM from every track
      4) Stop subscription when all tracks are downloaded
      5) Wait until more music is available

      On the way people will be distributing and sharing the unprotected tracks, too, further decreasing the need for a Napster subscription.

      If there was a way to instantly photocopy books, it is like you advocating everyone go to the library, copy every book you want, and never buy another book again, at least until a sizable collection of new books is available.

    5. Re:Why not Napster? by edmicman · · Score: 1
      Um, well, it goes like this: 1) Subscribe, pay for a month or two 2) Download every track available 3) Strip DRM from every track 4) Stop subscription when all tracks are downloaded 5) Wait until more music is available On the way people will be distributing and sharing the unprotected tracks, too, further decreasing the need for a Napster subscription. If there was a way to instantly photocopy books, it is like you advocating everyone go to the library, copy every book you want, and never buy another book again, at least until a sizable collection of new books is available.
      I think I'll wait for

      6) Download entire Napster library via bittorrent.
    6. Re:Why not Napster? by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      Why any service? Why would I want to actually purchase music that is by definition not the real thing since it is in a lossy format? Why don't the record companies simply charge a fair price for CDs, people will buy them and encode themselves? I download here and there. If it's something I like, I usually go find the CD used and buy it so that I can encode it to MY tastes.

      I don't understand why people buy stuff that isn't lossless.

    7. Re:Why not Napster? by robpoe · · Score: 1

      Because not everyone is Mr. Sonic Ears.

      I can tell a crappy MP3 encode of something.

      But I'd bet that if I did a double blind test with you, you would not be able to pick out which file was which.

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      = Grow a brain...
    8. Re:Why not Napster? by robpoe · · Score: 1

      By stopping your subscription, you've lost your license to the music. If you still subscribe, you still have a license to use the music.

      I don't mind paying to keep a perpetual license on the content I use.

      The book analogy isn't a good one.

      If I could download ALL the books I wanted for $14.99 a month, and there were a way to de-drm them (so I could read them on whatever little LCD device I wanted), I'd probably subscribe to that, too..

      Photocopying the book destroys the format (and familiarity with) the book.

      Your analogy is more (but not totally) like someone taking a laptop to the library, "borrowing" the CD's and ripping them on site. That's stealing. You do not have a license to copy that.

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      = Grow a brain...
    9. Re:Why not Napster? by robpoe · · Score: 1

      No, Napster would become the de-facto standard. You can download basically an unlimited amount of music for $14.99 a month.

      It could feel glamorous to unsubscribe and keep all the MP3 files .. however why? It's ONLY $14.99 a month. That's less than I spend on almost anything else. In fact, it's more than I saved by switching to Vonage. Just pay the $14.99 a month .. and you're legal.

      It's one less premium channel on the cable box (which, btw I watch very little of).

      The software I use is closed source, however it's FAQ says that it is not actually defeating the DRM. My guess is that it uses the Windows Media Player codec to decrypt the file, and then runs the digital output of WMPlayer to another file.

      WinAMP will play a Windows Media file. You think they use their own code to do so?

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      = Grow a brain...
  10. They won't, but I will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google is your friend.

    Rhythmic Harmony

  11. No, they don't. by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Informative

    iMovie works by decompressing and recompressing the music, resulting in a loss of quality. Apparently, this new software works by extracting the compressed stream after it has been decrypted, giving it the distinct advantage of being lossless.

    Of course, it doesn't do me any good, since it only works in Windows...

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    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    1. Re:No, they don't. by Takeel · · Score: 1

      iMovie works by decompressing and recompressing the music, resulting in a loss of quality. Apparently, this new software works by extracting the compressed stream after it has been decrypted, giving it the distinct advantage of being lossless.

      AIFF uses uncompressed PCM. You can choose to apply lossy compression after converting to AIFF if you want to, but nobody's got a gun to your head.

    2. Re:No, they don't. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Okay, fine, but you're missing my point: whether you recompress it or not, you still don't have the both high-quality and small file you started with. Therefore, the conversion was not "lossless" (according to my no-longer-standard definition).

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  12. Oh, NOW you won't link to it? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sure, everybody will link to the tool that cracks Windows Media DRM, but when it's time to crack FairPlay people start getting self-righteous.

    1. Re:Oh, NOW you won't link to it? by 3mpire · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Seriously, I thought the same thing. Situational ethics RULE.

    2. Re:Oh, NOW you won't link to it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because they know that Steve Jobs is strives to be most lawsuit-happy executive on this planet. They just don't want to get sued.

    3. Re:Oh, NOW you won't link to it? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Name me one person (person, not community) that espouses such a distinction. You can't, because they don't exist.

      A large group of people with differing opinions are not hypocrites.

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      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
  13. DRM by daeg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As much as I hate DRM, by buying the music from iTunes in the first place you are clearly stating your position that you will tolerate DRM. It's like buying a Ford and ripping the Ford emblem off the car and thinking that you're "sticking it to Ford." I have news for you: Ford (Apple) is laughing all the way to the bank.

    1. Re:DRM by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If every iTMS track you have has either been from a Pepsi cap or the weekly free download (as mine is), you can still make use of the software without having compromised your ethics.

      (On another note, isn't it a nice coincidence that I'm wearing my EFF t-shirt today? I had just chosen it randomly, but now I can say I'm wearing it in celebration!)

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    2. Re:DRM by spud603 · · Score: 1

      Except that you've given your money to PepsiCo, which in my book is ten times worse than FairPlay.

    3. Re:DRM by Flooded77 · · Score: 1

      Not to nitpick or anything, but the record companies are actually the ones laughing all the way to the bank (and are ultimately convinced that people will buy DRM-encumbered media). Apple doesn't make any money from ITunes, rather they use it to sell IPods.

    4. Re:DRM by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's like buying a Ford and ripping the Ford emblem off the car and thinking that you're "sticking it to Ford." I have news for you: Ford (Apple) is laughing all the way to the bank.

      Actually, it's not like that. It's like... the opposite of that. Or not really, but it's just not like that.

      There are a bunch of differences here, the first being that I don't know how a Ford logo is anything like DRM. You might not like the Ford logo, and ripping it off might be a cosmetic improvement (or not, depending on your opinion), but it doesn't inhibit your use of the car. Second, I can't think of a reason why Ford's suppliers would stop selling to Ford if their cars didn't have a Ford logo. It's generally believed, on the other hand, that Apple fought with the record companies because Apple didn't want to use DRM, but for the RIAA, it was a deal-breaker. No DRM, no music, hence no music store.

      In any event, I don't think people want to remove the DRM so they can "stick it to Apple". They buy from Apple because they like the service Apple is providing, and they strip the DRM because they don't like the DRM.

    5. Re:DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      better then the alternative. . . . Coke

    6. Re:DRM by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      How so?

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    7. Re:DRM by TheGreek · · Score: 1
      If every iTMS track you have has either been from a Pepsi cap or the weekly free download (as mine is), you can still make use of the software without having compromised your ethics.
      As long as you didn't pay them for it, you didn't compromise your ethics?

      That says more about how committed you are to your ethics than it does about anything else, frankly.
    8. Re:DRM by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If iTMS were a subscription service, I might be more inclined to agree with you. But it's not - you're buying the music for keeps, so it doesn't really matter ethically whether you strip the DRM or not, as long as you don't then go and violate copyright law.

    9. Re:DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree with the idea of what you're saying, that's not always the case. I have only bought maybe a dozen tracks off of iTunes, but only because they offer "iTunes Exclusives" for my favorite artist that isn't available elsewhere. If I can buy the media or get DRM-Free downloads elsewhere, I'll do it... but some artists and record labels will release exclusives on iTMS... alas, sticking me with DRM AACs (yuck).

      In you example, that'd be like me saying I'm a Harely Davidson freak and I want everything Harley Davidson. Maybe I hate Ford, but they're the only one who offers a Harley Davidson edition truck.

    10. Re:DRM by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      It's like buying a Ford and ripping the Ford emblem off the car and thinking that you're "sticking it to Ford." I have news for you: Ford (Apple) is laughing all the way to the bank.

      Yeah, but if enough people rip off the ford emblem off their cars, maybe Ford will make a car without their emblem on it. It's not that people are ripping DRM music to "stick it to Apple" because they dislike Apple. They're doing it because they want music that doesn't have DRM on it.

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    11. Re:DRM by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      Amen. I'm of the moral persuasion that fair use rights are inalienable, and are impossible to sign away even through contract (whether this is legally true or not is another question entirely). Thus, in my morality, if you download a song from iTunes, no amount of "Hey, you agreed to our DRM terms when you 'bought' the song from us" from Apple will alienate my fair use rights.

      So I started law school today, and was anxious to use the term "inalienable" in a /. post. Sosume!

    12. Re:DRM by FireBreathingDog · · Score: 1

      Maybe he's a Jobs disciple who's still pissed at John Sculley...?

    13. Re:DRM by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      But you are violating the DMCA (copyright law).

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    14. Re:DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the original guy, but among other things (they fight dirty against local companies, like "buy the city's water supplier and turn off the competitor's tap" dirty) Coca Cola and Pepsi are in a big brouhaha over pesticides in their products in India. Of course, no fight with an American duopoly would be complete without the US Government getting involved, and it's causing a problem to the degree that the Indian government is suggesting that perhaps India doesn't need any more American money or investment.

      On a related note, it's funny how a lot of people see the war in Iraq or the war on terror as "Bush destroying America", but if Bush doesn't back down from trying to protect these two companies, the one thing that really will destroy America is if the rest of the world begins to quit accepting our money.

    15. Re:DRM by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
      They buy from Apple because they like the service Apple is providing, and they strip the DRM because they don't like the DRM.
      But... the DRM is an integral part of the service (iTunes) that Apple is offering.

      If someone doesn't like the DRM.. do they really like the service?
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    16. Re:DRM by nine-times · · Score: 1

      DRM isn't any part of the service Apple is offering-- it's a restriction on the service. Calling DRM a "part of the service that Apple is offering" is like calling, "not delivering" part of the service that Pizza Hut offers.* Now, you might still eat at Pizza Hut in spite of the fact that they don't deliver, but if Pizza Hut starts delivering pizzas, nobody is going to complain that Pizza Hut stopped offering the "not delivery" service.

      * yes, I know some Pizza Hut locations deliver, but it's the only big pizza chain i can think of that doesn't generally deliver.

    17. Re:DRM by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself; the UK hasn't implemented that particular crock of shit yet.

  14. Why nobody post the link ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  15. Google: QTFairUse6 (no results?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yahoo and MSN show results. Google does not. Good to see they're doing no evil.

    1. Re:Google: QTFairUse6 (no results?) by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yahoo and MSN show results. Google does not. Good to see they're doing no evil.

      Haven't you heard? Google CEO joins Apple Board.

      Google have given up on 'do no evil' in favour of joining Apple ;-)

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    2. Re:Google: QTFairUse6 (no results?) by ncalsmitty1369 · · Score: 1

      It worked for me.

    3. Re:Google: QTFairUse6 (no results?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found it by using Scroogle. Worked fine.

    4. Re:Google: QTFairUse6 (no results?) by VP · · Score: 1

      Not true - a Google search shows plenty of results (even in Spanish), including the direct link to the download...

  16. Here's the deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sort of a port of the original QTFairUse to iTunes 6 using the excellent pydbg package by Pedram Amini.

    Requirements: Python 2.4 pydbg and ctypes packages (included)

    Supported iTunes versions: 6.0.4-6.0.5

    Usage: 1) Start iTunes 2) Start QTFairUse6.py. 4) Play your protected track(s) in iTunes. Each track will be written into a separate dump_NN.aac file. 5) To make them playable in winamp, convert the raw streams to ADTS using FAAD: faad.exe -a output.aac dump_NN.aac

    Download: http://rapidshare.de/files/31103061/QTFairUse6-1.0 .zip.html

  17. been there, done that by jltnol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think this was tried before.... and the response from Apple was that if the file was downloaded, it was paid for. So, deleting the DRM, while not in Apple's best interest, isn't exactly the same as the WMA subscription problem, where songs that are "rented" could be owned. Let's face it, if you really want something for free, there are lots of places to get it... I just don't see the point of removing the DRM from a paid for iTunes file, because FairPlay does seem pretty generous with what you are allowed to do with it.

    1. Re:been there, done that by ericdano · · Score: 1

      Indeed. All the work required to strip the DRM off iTunes files, one could go to a myriad of P2P programs and find what they are looking for, at a higher bitrate as well.

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      I moderate therefore I rule!
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    2. Re:been there, done that by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Informative
      I just don't see the point of removing the DRM from a paid for iTunes file

      Two reasons:

      1. Sooner or later you will either lose your decryption key or want to use the file on an unsupported platform.
      2. It's the principle of the thing!
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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    3. Re:been there, done that by Kamots · · Score: 1

      Because you want to be able to execute your fair-use rights without having to resort to obtaining an illegal copy?

      It's the same reason that I download no-CD cracks or (rarely) an entire copy of a game that I've already purchased. I don't like having to hunt up the play CD every time I want to play a certain game. I like being able to space-shift the game from the CD onto my harddrive. It's convinient.

    4. Re:been there, done that by TClevenger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I want to put it on my Creative Muvo. Fairplay isn't THAT generous.

    5. Re:been there, done that by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I just don't see the point of removing the DRM from a paid for iTunes file, because FairPlay does seem pretty generous with what you are allowed to do with it.

      I agree that the fairplay restrictions aren't very restrictive relative to other DRM that's out there. However, it's the nature of DRM that it doesn't feel restrictive so long as you're doing things that the DRM allows, but it's very restrictive to those who want to do anything the DRM doesn't allow.

      If there were an easy way to strip the DRM without any negative side-effects, I'd do it to my iTMS-purchased music. Just because. I haven't run into a problem yet where the DRM stopped me from doing something, but all things being equal I'd rather have the piece of mind that I won't run into any in the future, either.

    6. Re:been there, done that by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

      That doesn't change the fact that you SIGNED AWAY your fair use rights when you LICENSED the file you downloaded. You didn't BUY anything upon which to excercise your fair use. It sucks, but that is what you agreed to when you signed up for iTunes and clicked the "Accept" button on the license agreement.

      If you don't like it, you don't have to use it.

      I just don't understand people saying: "Gee, I don't like the terms to which I freely agreed. I will now proceed to break them."

      It doesn't make sense. It just doesn't make sense.

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    7. Re:been there, done that by base3 · · Score: 1

      What opportunity did those who signed up have to negotiate those terms? Even though some judges have upheld "clickwrap" agreements, there's not much moral argument against breaking an agreement that's a take-it-or-leave it Diktat.

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    8. Re:been there, done that by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      I can play AAC files on my XBox 360 by plugging in my iPod, but it won't work with the DRM AAC files from the store. By removing the DRM and allowing me to play my music on my game console, value has been added. This bears repeating...the removal of DRM adds value to my purchase of music from iTunes.

    9. Re:been there, done that by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Or worse, you'll get that 6th computer and realize you can't register it with iTunes under your name unless you unregister an existing computer, and you can only unregister a few times a year.

      Or you want to play the files under Linux/FreeBSD with the existing AAC library and just need to strip the crypto off to make it work.

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    10. Re:been there, done that by plumby · · Score: 1
      just don't see the point of removing the DRM from a paid for iTunes file

      Because I want to be able to play the DRM'd music I bought off iTunes (not making that mistake again) on my wireless music player without having to burn it onto a CD and then re-rip it to mp3. I know this is against the terms that I agreed to when I bought the tracks, but I struggle to see how Apple benefits by preventing me from being able to do this.

    11. Re:been there, done that by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

      there's not much moral argument against breaking an agreement that's a take-it-or-leave it

      certainly there is. if someone offers to sell me a car at price X, "take it or leave it" I can't take the deal then stop payments after a few months.

      What opportunity did those who signed up have to negotiate those terms?

      Apple has a contact page with plenty of nice e-mail, snail mail, and phone addresses.

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    12. Re:been there, done that by base3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A car is different. I don't get asked to sign away constitutional rights such as fair use when buying a car. And there is no way Apple would really negotiate, so the contract remains a one-sided Diktat that I would feel morally free to break.

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    13. Re:been there, done that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or... your wife will leave you. You purchased music while being married. Now you don't have access to her account, but all of the music files. What do you do?

    14. Re:been there, done that by fuzz6y · · Score: 1
      I just don't see the point of removing the DRM from a paid for iTunes file, because FairPlay does seem pretty generous with what you are allowed to do with it.
      Why would that bird ever want out of that gilded cage? It's so shiny.
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    15. Re:been there, done that by kwerle · · Score: 1

      I want to put it on my Creative Muvo. Fairplay isn't THAT generous.

      Sure it is. "burn" it to a CD image. Rip the CD image to any format you like. Presto.

      Ripping out the DRM won't get you any closer unless you can convert from AAC to better than through CD audio.

    16. Re:been there, done that by Nrbelex · · Score: 1

      If by generous, you mean you can only play it on an Apple MP3 device... then yes, it's extrememly generous...

    17. Re:been there, done that by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

      A car is different. I don't get asked to sign away constitutional rights such as fair use when buying a car.

      Many of your car's systems are "protected" against your being able to service them yourselves through various patent and other laws. You require a government license to operate the vehicle on a public roadway. You require insurance to be allowed to drive it. There are all kinds of limitations on your car.

      And there is no way Apple would really negotiate, so the contract remains a one-sided Diktat that I would feel morally free to break.

      So if I don't think the government will "really" negotiate on those pesky limitations like having to be licensed and insured before driving the car, I should feel morally free to break it? Hell no. You should feel morally free to either (1) get the law changed or (2) not drive.

      Bottom line is that you accepted an offer; and now you want to renege, and are blathering on about being "morally free" to do it. That's fine, that's your conscience, not mine. That doesn't change the fact you're wrong ;]

      (There is no moral justification unless you need to hear this song outside the stated agreement or suffer serious consequences. I fail to believe that there are any serious consequences for not listening to ANY single song on iTunes whatsoever. You are morally free to break a Diktat which *must* be broken. There is no reason other than indulgence and entertainment to break the iTunes agreement, and the sanctity of agreements is higher than the sanctity of consumeristic entertainment. If you need to break the iTunes agreement to save a life: by all means. Otherwise you're just saying that "contracts don't apply to me when I decide they don't apply to me" which is amoral.)

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    18. Re:been there, done that by TClevenger · · Score: 1
      You can't sign away your fair use rights, any more than you can sign away your rights under labor law when you sign an employment contract.

      Besides, I BOUGHT the files I downloaded. At least according to their site.

      "Always your one-stop music shop, the iTunes Music Store now features music videos and TV shows to buy and own forever."

      "Buy songs and albums by your favorite musicians."

      "Buy the entire season of a TV show at a discount."

      I would say that either my fair use rights are quite intact, or Apple is guilty of false advertising. So which is it?

    19. Re:been there, done that by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

      I know - everyone I know buys more than 5 computers around here every year. It's amazing the stuff piling up in the dumpsters. Amazing!

    20. Re:been there, done that by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

      From the mouth of babes:

      http://www.overclockers.com/tips907/

      The words "fair use" do not exist in the Constitution. They are not listed as "inalienable" anywhere I have looked. "Fair use" did not even appear in copyright law at all until 1976.

      By the way, if you wish to get DMCA overturned, please do so. I and many others would like to see this happen. But for now it is the law and if you would like to pick and choose which laws apply to you and which do not, then I exhort you to do so publicly in a spirit of true civil disobedience and not privately in the hopes you won't get caught.

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    21. Re:been there, done that by base3 · · Score: 1

      You're mixing government regulations with contracts, and muddying the water. Bottom line is that I'm morally justified to break it, and you believe otherwise.

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    22. Re:been there, done that by dr.badass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sooner or later you will either lose your decryption key...

      Which you can recover.

      or want to use the file on an unsupported platform.

      Which doesn't require breaking the DRM.

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    23. Re:been there, done that by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

      Once you've crossed into the land of "it's morally justified to break this contract for my own convenience" then you can break any contract at your convenience, and this is not a morally universally externalizable ethos.

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    24. Re:been there, done that by multisync · · Score: 1
      I just don't see the point of removing the DRM from a paid for iTunes file, because FairPlay does seem pretty generous with what you are allowed to do with it.


      Other than, say, playing it on the music player of your choice.

      DRM, like region codes in DVDs and the DMCA itself, has nothing to do with copy prevention and everything to do with the media cartels attempting to exert control over what we do with the cds, dvds and computer files we purchase.
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    25. Re:been there, done that by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1
      I just don't see the point of removing the DRM from a paid for iTunes file
      1. playing iTunes music on my modded Xbox
      2. if Apple vanishes off the face of the Earth, I still have my music
      3. playing iTunes music on my computers that aren't powerful enough to run iTunes (memory hoooooog), but can run something like VLC or Foobar
      4. playing iTunes music on Linux
      5. playing iTunes music without running memory hog iTunes
      6. Apple has already shown that they can modify the number of computers you can play iTunes music files on. What if they decide to (or are pressured to) make the number of computers ONE? Recall that they can legally do this. I'd prefer not to be at the mercy of anyone but myself with respect to something that I consider MY property. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they have the contractual right to disallow ALL playability of the downloaded tracks. Has anyone analyzed the contract for this yet?
    26. Re:been there, done that by base3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not about convenience, it's about that it is morally impossible to sign away fair use rights. It's like selling oneself into slavery--it's legal in some parts of the world, but if someone does it, then runs away, he's not acting immorally.

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    27. Re:been there, done that by FireBreathingDog · · Score: 1
      What opportunity did those who signed up have to negotiate those terms

      The terms are negotiated by the market. If the terms are too onerous for individuals, those individuals will not sign up. If too few people sign up to make the business profitable--and if the business is smart enough to figure out that the onerous terms are resulting in poor performance in the market--then those terms will change or the business won't last long.

    28. Re:been there, done that by jandrese · · Score: 1

      It's 5 computers period. I'm right at the limit myself with a couple of computers up in the room (one is my wife's), the laptop, my work machine, and the media PC in the basement (just used to play music down there when we work out). We also have an Airport express hooked to the stereo, but fortunatly it doesn't count against the PC count. While I don't have plans to expand that anytime soon, it is a little worrying to know that if I wanted to authorize a different machine for whatever reason, something would have to go. Because of the "you can only deauthorize a couple of machines a year" policy, you can't even switch your licenses between them easily.

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    29. Re:been there, done that by ad0gg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My nano losses its decryption key on a monthly basis. And it always seems to happen when i won't have access to my computer for a couple days to change the ipods name(weirdest fix i've heard of) which fixes the problem. It just recently did it a couple days. Its quite an annoyance and i'm seriously contemplating using something to rip fairplay off my music. Also just recently purchased a phillips boombox type mp3 player for $20(slickdeals.net ftw), and it can't play my itunes purchased music but it will play aac just fine(aac is what i rip all my cds too). DRM needs to go away, and after experiencing the above issues, i will no longer purchase DRM'ed music.

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    30. Re:been there, done that by assassinator42 · · Score: 1

      What do you mean using the file on an unsupported platform doesn't require breaking DRM? Let me guess, you're going to say burning and re-reripping? Why should people have to do that?

    31. Re:been there, done that by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      Sure it is. "burn" it to a CD image. Rip the CD image to any format you like. Presto.
      You forgot to note that the downside of this, is that you lose quality in the sound.
      ipping out the DRM won't get you any closer unless you can convert from AAC to better than through CD audio.
      Ripping out the DRM will get you closer, because the sound isn't put through another lossy codec. Seeing how many devices can play non-DRM'd AAC too...
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    32. Re:been there, done that by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

      The deauthorization thing isn't quite accurate though:

      http://playlistmag.com/weblogs/ipodblog/2006/01/de authorall/index.php

      You can deauthorize all of them at once if you wish. I don't see "a couple a year" anywhere in iTunes help either. Just a tip.

    33. Re:been there, done that by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      Sooner or later you will either lose your decryption key...
      Which you can recover.

      Sure, if Apple still exists at the time that that happens. Remember, Apple claims that you're "buying" the music, which means you should have the right to use it in perpetuity. What happens if Apple goes out of business 20 years from now, and then you lose your key?

      or want to use the file on an unsupported platform.
      Which doesn't require breaking the DRM.

      Alright then, tell me how to play an .m4p file in Linux.

      Can't do it, can you? Thought so!

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    34. Re:been there, done that by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      aac is what i rip all my cds too

      Why not something lossless, like Apple Lossless of FLAC?

      DRM needs to go away, and after experiencing the above issues, i will no longer purchase DRM'ed music.

      I'm glad you've seen the light. Perhaps you should spread the word about it to others who have yet to do so! : )

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    35. Re:been there, done that by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 1

      So, you really believe that?

    36. Re:been there, done that by dr.badass · · Score: 1

      What do you mean using the file on an unsupported platform doesn't require breaking DRM?

      It's funny: You ask this question and then you immediately answer it for yourself. It's almost as if you've made up your mind to ignore reality in favor of holding a strong opinion on an issue that doesn't actually effect you.

      Why should people have to do that?

      Let's say you're in a room and trying to get out. On one side of the room is an open door. On the other is a locked door. Assuming you want to get out, which way should you go? For bonus points: Which way would you go if, instead of wanting to get out, you wanted to make rhetorical arguments about being oppressed by evil corporations in order to make yourself feel smart?

      Oh, by the way: Since you can't purchase the music on an unsupported platform, why would you need to play it on one? Perhaps because of a certain man, made of straw?

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    37. Re:been there, done that by Cederic · · Score: 1


      To make your analogy more perfect, consider yourself to be in a room with two doors and you want to get out. One is open, but if you go through it, someone will punch you in the face. The other is locked.

      Someone offers to throw a key to the lock through the window. Do you:
      - get punched in the face
      - use the key

      As for not purchasing the music for an unsupported platform, why should I be prevented from buying just because iTunes doesn't sell music specifically in a format it supports? Maybe said device includes a DAB radio tuner, satellite TV reception and full PDA and mobile phone functionality in a pocket-sized form factor. That's an attractive device, but if it doesn't support Apple's DRM then I can't use legitimately purchased music on it directly. So given the choice I'll remove the DRM rather than re-encode the music in a lossy manner - see analogy above relating to getting punched in the face.

      All of which is irrelevant and merely a direct response to your fatuous arguments. The real question is, why are you so strongly against people making these choices for themselves?

    38. Re:been there, done that by dr.badass · · Score: 1

      One is open, but if you go through it, someone will punch you in the face.

      Since you've strained the analogy this far, I'd might as well posit this addition: A bigass sign outside the room indicating to all of those who
      choose to enter (i.e. you) under exactly what circumstances they will be "punched in the face", as it were.

      On the other hand, if you're equating lossy re-encoding with being punched in the face, I would suggest a re-evaluation of your priorities.
      The two are not comparable. No, really, they aren't.

      That's an attractive device, but if it doesn't support Apple's DRM then I can't use legitimately purchased music on it directly.

      Um, no. You can use all the legit music you want. It just won't be from iTunes.

      So given the choice I'll remove the DRM rather than re-encode the music in a lossy manner...

      Good luck finding a non-iPod device that will play even unencrypted AAC. You'd might as well do a lossy conversion. Or better yet, buy music in a format that you actually want to use instead of blaming the seller for not giving it to you for free.

      The real question is, why are you so strongly against people making these choices for themselves?

      I'm absolutely not against people making these choices. I'm against people spouting bullshit.

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    39. Re:been there, done that by Cederic · · Score: 1


      >> better yet, buy music in a format that you actually want to use instead of blaming the seller for not giving it to you for free.

      Which is exactly what I do. I never bought into the iTunes DRM shit to start with. But I do have some sympathy for those that did.

    40. Re:been there, done that by Yer+Mom · · Score: 1
      Good luck finding a non-iPod device that will play even unencrypted AAC.

      The Sony Ericsson P910i, for one. Or how about an Xbox 360, which will play the unencrypted AAC files on your Mac just fine (if you run Connect360) but won't touch the encrypted ones? It may very well play them if you plug an iPod in — but if you want to play your music through your Xbox without buying an iPod to enable it, stripping the DRM would be quite useful :)

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    41. Re:been there, done that by blueskies · · Score: 1

      I can also dub my DVDs using my video camera but why would i want that hassle? Why wouldn't i want to break the DRM and come up with a nice automated way to prepare all of the music I *purchased* for an unsupported platform.

      For example, what if i want to have my MythTV box, which is hooked up to my stereo system to be able to play my songs?

      Anyway, you just want to be argumentative, since you have no need for breaking the DRM.

    42. Re:been there, done that by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

      Um, no. We sign away all kinds of rights all the time. I do it on a weekly basis through NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreements) and other confidentiality waivers, which limit my "right" to free speech -- which actually is in the Constitution, unlike "fair use". Trying to equate "playing my music where I want, when I want!" with slavery is repugnant.

      Also, my grandfather emigrated to this country (the United States; well, then it was the British Colonies) in the 18th century by paying for his passage from Germany via an indentured servitude contract. Which he did of his own free will, worked off the contract, and now 6 generations later, here I am. If you sign *yourself* into servitude, then no you don't have a moral ground to stand on if the other side of the contract is upheld, unless the contract should be voided for other reasons such as degrading treatment, or if you can plausibly say that you did not understand the contract.

      What you can't do, ever, is sell others into servitude. Why? Because they are not yours to sell.

      Contract law is the only moral law. When two parties freely, knowingly, and without coersion make an agreement, the sanctity of the agreement stands above nearly all else. This is, for example, how marriage works. (Disclaimer: I'm married.) You give up some of the "inalienable" rights to "liberty and pursuit of happiness" when you "forsake all others". You know what breaks a marriage contract? Either one of the sides violates its terms, or, "death parts you".

      Freely formed contracts should be held above almost everything else. Without reliance on contracts, which existed before any government, society would break down entirely.

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    43. Re:been there, done that by base3 · · Score: 1

      So you're in support of the enforceability of indentured servitude? No wonder you're in favor of DRM.

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    44. Re:been there, done that by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      > So you're in support of the enforceability of indentured servitude? No wonder you're in favor of DRM.

      Trying to equate slavery with indentured servitude is alone quite a stretch; trying to equate either of these with DRM is an absolutely crock of shit. The former two are absolutely matters of life and death, the latter (DRM) is an insignificant detail to a largely affectless area of human interaction.

      Absolutely, 100% I should be able to offer my services as a well-treated, housed, fed, respected indentured servant for a limited term of service. In fact this is how almost every single modern military operates.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Foreign_Legion
      http://www.goarmy.com/
      http://www.marines.com/

      etc.

      You will find that you will commit to some number of years of service (e.g., servitude) and that there are penalties for breaking this initial contract. If you feel you are mistreated or that the other side (e.g., the Air Force for example) is not living up to their part of the bargain, you go before a court, argue this, and have the contract annulled. It happens literally nearly every day.

      Welcome to the real world, where there are bullets and pain, not just quibbles and bitching about whether you can play your iTunes on your Network Walkman.

      Please: do not equate slavery with DRM. You insult yourself and the actual atrocities of real slavery, which still exists quite in a quiet proliferated fashion in our world. Women are kidnapped and sold into horrible sexual slavery. Political prisoners are sold as slave labor into desolate wastelands to mine and work as loggers. The world is a fucked up enough place without your demands that freely accepted terms of contract should be able to be willy-nilly ignored if you feel like it. You place far too high an importance on your "fair use" to listen to something that can be found for sale in the ITMS for $0.99 USD and not enough on the vast chain of consequence that wanton disregard for contracts would incur.

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    45. Re:been there, done that by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_Servitude

      I'll admit being somewhat irrational when this topic comes up. Were it not for indentured servitude contracts (NOT the same as involuntary servitude!) I would not exist. Thus it would be moral suicide for me to object to it.

      Amusingly enough, indentured servants count as a "whole person" in the Constitution for purposes of Representative count.

      Yes, there were abuses of this system. But these were, really, involuntary servitudes and the contracts should have been annulled as void.

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    46. Re:been there, done that by base3 · · Score: 1

      I didn't "equate" slavery and indentured servitude, or indentured servitude and the ITMS Diktat "agreement"--you did. They are the same in principle, but obviously not in degree. I enjoyed the hyperbole of comparison of the ITMS Diktat to real contracts, particularly the marriage and military enlistments. Note that those agreements require signatures, witnessess, and multiple affirmations--there is a bit more to those than clicking an "I agree" button.

      As for the implication that repudiating an unenforceable waiver of fair use leading to the downfall of society itself, well, that's nice rhetoric but a little over the top.

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    47. Re:been there, done that by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

      It is, indeed, the principle.

      People get together, record some music, and offer it up under a contract. Maybe it's not even in writing, it's a "social contract" that is perhaps only said in passing: "Hey, dude, please don't hack around with the song download. That would be, like, rude, man. just enjoy the music. if you can't handle that, no worries, man, there's lots of music elsewhere. Just, like, don't be a jerk, okay?"

      In the end, you are picking and choosing what agreements you want to offer and now throwing it under the blanket of "unenforceability". There are a lot of things that are unenforceable. Pretty much everything except, so far, things like the law of gravitation and most of the other laws of physics. Everything is pretty much fair game under the system you seem to propose. "I don't like the terms of the contract, besides it's not really enforceable anyway"; in other words "I can get away with breaking it, so why shouldn't I?"

      The blather about the "ITMS Diktat" is a little silly. An Apple representative didn't come door to door, break it down, and force you to install their software, subscribe to any service, or click "I agree" to anything. Using fancy fascist-sounding words like "Diktat" doesn't make the ITMS some sort of essential monopoly that without it you would suffer.

      If you don't like the terms of service; don't use the service. I don't see how that is hard to understand.

      But feel free to have your cake and eat it to. I'm really not trying to judge anyone; going back to the beginning I should have said "This is my personal morality; your mileage may vary". There likely isn't an absolute to be found in the area of copyright law, because in the end all IP is a fiction of society. But it's a society that, like it or not, and apparently you do not, is founded on contract law and going what you agree to do. When people stop doing what they agree to do, the cycle breaks down.

      Obviously you or a hundred thousand other people hacking around ITMS lame DRM doesn't hurt anything. And personally I couldn't give a shit about any of the artist's rights on ITMS. Most of them won't be largely effected in the long run by you or me or a hundred other tech geeks parading around with our FairPlayHackz version 7.5 or whatever, excercising our "fair use" rights.

      It is indeed the principle of the thing; that people who produce a good or offer a service are doing it under the framework of a society and its laws; and those acting outside the society and its laws are, here, apparently, hoping to benefit from the goods or services in a manner counter to the framework under which it is offered.

      There is a huge difference between civil disobedience and quietly hacking around "unenforceable" contract clauses. The former is laudable; the latter is laughable. Probably not as laughable as me, attempting in any manner to appeal to contract law and copyright as a potential good thing for the people in a venue such as Slashdot; but laughable nonetheless.

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    48. Re:been there, done that by base3 · · Score: 1

      Sorry you think it's a "fascist-sounding word," but I can't think of a more appropriate word for the one-sided, unilaterally alterable, waiver-laden license "agreements" than Diktat. When someone claims to be "selling" a song, and attaches digital restrictions to it, the buyer is free to break those restrictions. The non-enforcability of a waiver fair use rights is a moral non-enforcability, as well as a practical one.

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    49. Re:been there, done that by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

      But it's not a Diktat. (Almost) every single track on iTunes is available through other methods, such as on CD, or various other webstores, for a variety of price and contract structures.

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    50. Re:been there, done that by base3 · · Score: 1

      Being able to choose which vendor demands you waive fair use isn't a choice.

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    51. Re:been there, done that by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

      There are still, to my knowledge, many vendors that cell non-DRM CDs. Choose them. This I cannot encourage enough.

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    52. Re:been there, done that by base3 · · Score: 1

      I agree that's the best choice, particuarly if they can be purchased used. Finding out which ones are DRM-infected and which ones aren't is hit or miss these days, though. Shame to have to Google the artist and title first instead of being able to just pick up a CD in the shop.

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    53. Re:been there, done that by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

      the myspace development allowing myspace musicians to sell "vanilla" mp3 downloads is pretty interesting. there are a few good artists on myspace, have to see who buys into this model. (jose gonzalez, alexi murdoch, sufjan stevens, etc.)

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  18. nothing was cracked by vafada · · Score: 5, Informative

    FairPlay wasn't cracked.. this python script attaches to iTunes.exe..... reads the memory when you play a track and creates a dump for the AAC file... its a very nice scripts... but again... nothing was cracked

    1. Re:nothing was cracked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Semantics. The DRM algorithm itself may not have been cracked. The DRM system has definitely been cracked. What else is it when you can get a copy of the file without the DRM restrictions?

    2. Re:nothing was cracked by Cederic · · Score: 1


      Actually those semantics could get very important if the DMCA starts getting involved.

  19. Re: Haha by in2mind · · Score: 1
    Engadget does not provide a link to QTFairUse6, and neither will we.

    They wont give the link,but will give the software's name for everyone to find! Haha.

  20. With some amount of difficulty? by MDMurphy · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's the part that makes it worthless.

    Music from iTunes is already compressed a fair bit. Yes, you'll lose some fidelity, but the copy to CD and re-rip has always been there if you're not too picky but seriously DRM-phobic.

    But other than single-track purchasing, the whole point of the ITMS is convenience. If you want music a single click away it's there. If you want it a click away, but are willing to go through hoops to remove the DRM you kinda lost the convenience part, so what's the point?

    If you wanted cheap music, at least an ablbum at a time, borrowing or buying used CDs, ripping them yourself then returning ( or re-selling ) them is an option. If you look at the price of a used CD, minus the price you get selling it back the next day, it's going to be cost competitive with ITMS purchase. Heck, splitting the price of a new album with 2 friends and you all rip it before selling it is going to be a better price. Illegal, yes, but no more so than de-DRMing

    So if that's an option, why would you buy from ITMS in the first place if you're going to go through pains to de-DRM it? Poor impulse control? If you can get it for the same price ( or cheaper ) by getting the CD and ripping yourself AND less hassle than removing DRM, why not do just that?

    Which is why I think any DRM removal that is more than a single click just silly.

    1. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by sobachatina · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Illegal, yes, but no more so than de-DRMing

      I disagree. I personally feel that copyright infringement is dishonest. I don't feel that breaking the DMCA and circumventing DRM for fair use reasons is dishonest. I want to be able to honestly pay for the music that I want for a reasonable price. iTunes is one way of doing that. I also want to be able to play that music on whatever player I want. This requires the DRM to go away.

      the whole point of the ITMS is convenience.

      I agree that convenience is a big selling point but for a lot of people it is not more convenient than finding the torrent file. It is much more honest. The best solution would be a convenient service through which I could buy the music I want unencumbered by DRM. I don't know of one.

    2. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by argent · · Score: 1

      So if that's an option, why would you buy from ITMS in the first place if you're going to go through pains to de-DRM it?

      Because people don't want to buy an album at a time, and they've been burned by DRM in the past, and the "with some amount of difficulty" is almost sure to be a short-term problem anyway.

      Me, I'll keep using "Mix, Rip, Burn" as well, but I think you're being wilfully blind here.

    3. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      Illegal, yes, but no more so than de-DRMing

      About ten thousand times less ethical though. And no money goes to the artists.

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    4. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by MDMurphy · · Score: 1

      Legality, honesty, morality. These are three separate things.

      You may disagree with honesty or morality, but that's different than arguing about legality.

    5. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by sobachatina · · Score: 1
      You make a good point.

      I suppose I wasn't arguing with you so much as betraying my own biases. Usually I consider legality and morality to overlap a lot. When it comes to the DMCA I don't. I just don't feel like circumventing copyright protection for fair-use is dishonest or immoral.

      Thanks for clarifying the discussion.

    6. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by Beefslaya · · Score: 1

      Most of today's artist don't deserve money for their CRAPtastic music.
      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0385296//
      Maybe the record companies should be a little more selective of their artists?

    7. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by Beefslaya · · Score: 1

      Link Correction... LOL

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0385296/

    8. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      So, do you use P2P to download recent music? If you do, you know that saying that makes you an asshole, don't you?

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    9. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by flooey · · Score: 1
      Illegal, yes, but no more so than de-DRMing

      17 USC 1201 (c)(1) Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title.
      I don't know that the legality of stripping DRM solely for personal use, without transferring the non-DRMed work to others, is significantly in question. Transferring that non-DRMed work to someone else is certainly illegal, but despite what the RIAA would like you to think, I don't believe it's illegal to strip DRM for personal use.

      Note that there is no basic right to distribution, so distributing software that strips DRM is also illegal, regardless of what your intended audience is, which is a nice little chicken-and-egg issue. Using it, though, is not illegal from my understanding.
    10. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by jb.hl.com · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh yeah, and Paris Hilton deserves to be paid for her music just as any other artist does. The quality is irrelevant, if you don't like it you don't HAVE to buy it. If you want to listen to it though, you should.

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    11. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by Beefslaya · · Score: 1

      No I don't, I actually buy my music from iTunes and from used CD stores.

      Artists that I feel deserve my money get purchased. Those that don't, don't.

    12. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      Ah, sorry, I had you marked down wrong there...I thought you were one of the many people here who justifies downloading recent music by saying recent music is shit. Very sorry about that.

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    13. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by Beefslaya · · Score: 1

      I should be marked as the type of person that thinks 98% of all recent music is shit.
       
      But when someone new shows up that I think is talented and would like to purchase their song...I do.
       
      It's been YEARS since I've purchased a new album in it's entirety. Not because I pirate it...just because most music is pure shit these days.

    14. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      You may disagree with honesty or morality, but that's different than arguing about legality.
      Doesn't fair-use make it legal?
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    15. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      That clause does not mean what you think it means. Removing DRM *IS NOT* a case of copyright infringment. It is a new crime called "circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work". Circumvention of DRM is not copyright infringment, so obviously "Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title.".

      The confusion here is that the new crime is copyright related, and estabished in a bill that deals with copyright, but it is still a seperate crime.

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    16. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Fair use applies to media. DMCA applies to copyright protection. Two different things.

      Fair use means, among other things, that you can time-shift a broadcast and listen to it at a different time or in a different place (home recording, etc). You may also do this with DRM'ed media any time you like, so long as you don't circumvent the DRM in the process. Legally, they are two different things: fair use is fine and dandy, circumventing DRM is verboten. Two different things.

      It just happens that you simply CAN'T enjoy all of your fair use rights without circumventing DRM. So legally fair use still intact, but in practice it's next to nonexistant.

      It's a bit like saying defendants have the right to an attorney, but attorneys who provide advice to criminals will be prosecuted (think "terrorists"--this already happens today). Your "right" still exists, but it's meaningless, because nobody can exercise that right without violating a different law. Welcome to the 21st century.

    17. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by trawg · · Score: 1

      allofmp3.com, baby!

    18. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      No. Fair use applies to media. DMCA applies to copyright protection. Two different things.
      Not that the DMCA exists where I live, but sure, I'll play along..
      Fair use means, among other things, that you can time-shift a broadcast and listen to it at a different time or in a different place (home recording, etc). You may also do this with DRM'ed media any time you like, so long as you don't circumvent the DRM in the process.
      Pretty sure it means a bit more than that.
      It just happens that you simply CAN'T enjoy all of your fair use rights without circumventing DRM. So legally fair use still intact, but in practice it's next to nonexistant.
      Section 1201 of the DMCA does make it illegal to "offer to the public" technology that can be used to circumvent DRM. But I saw nothing saying that said removing the DRM is illegal.
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    19. Re:With some amount of difficulty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose "among other things" wasn't enough of an indicator that I was only providing a limited set of examples. Sorry I wasn't clear enough.

      Section 1201 says: No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. (http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/hr2281_dmca_law_199810 20_pl105-304.html)

      Just a little bit above the part about offering to the public. Read the whole thing.

  21. "We" ? by alexhs · · Score: 1

    I wondered who was "we". The editors or the Slashdot community ? I guess you answered ;)

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  22. That, or... by patio11 · · Score: 1

    ... print "Just another Perl hacker" and run a web server. Remember to carefully check that you typed &$'$_ and not &$"$_ . Perl syntax gets me every time.

    1. Re:That, or... by Jahz · · Score: 1
      Remember to carefully check that you typed &$'$_ and not &$"$_ . Perl syntax gets me every time.

      Perhaps it 'gets you' because you never actually took the time to figure out the syntax. For example, I am far from an expert on Perl, and I could see immediately that neither of those statements has a usable interpetation.

      & is used to denote subroutines (er.. functions). It is almost always left out because Perl can tell if mysub; is a subroutine or something else in almost any case.
      $' is part of the last regex string evaluated.
      $_ is the default value that many functions set to their return value if no lvalue is specified. It is fairly generic and the use varies.

      In C, you might write "if (pet == 'dog') { return true; }" while the Perl equivalent could be "return 1 if $pet eq 'dog';". I personally think the Perl version is much easier to read/write. Perl syntax can get ugly, but only if you let it get out of hand. Unreadable or confusing Perl code outside of an obsfucation contest, is a reflection on the coder, not the language.
      --
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  23. Psst... here ya go by JazzLad · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't tell anyone *looks over shoulder* I found this site... you can find darn near anything here... it's called Google.

    Here's a link: www.google.com

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    1. Re:Psst... here ya go by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Here's a link: www.google.com

      <span style='voice: Mick Dundee' >

      That's not a link, that's a link

      </span>

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    2. Re:Psst... here ya go by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      Here's a link: www.google.com

      You call that a link? This is a link: google.com

    3. Re:Psst... here ya go by Gareth+Williams · · Score: 2, Funny
      That's not a link, that's a link

      Ah. I see you've played linky spoony before.
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      --Gareth
    4. Re:Psst... here ya go by Eccles · · Score: 1

      That's not a link

      Right-click->Open selected URL in new tab

      Looks like a link to me. Perhaps you need to upgrade your browser.

      --
      Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
    5. Re:Psst... here ya go by i_finally_got_an_acc · · Score: 1

      I see you've played Textsies Linksies before...

      --
      "I'm not religious, but at the same time I don't get why science always has to have something to prove."
  24. Bollocks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure it was, it's a perfectly valid protocol implementation attack.

    "Oh, sure. So you disolved the epoxy, drilled through the chip and attached a probe on the bus to read out the memory, so nothing was cracked". WTF.

  25. AllofMP3 - fantastic music in ANY format by Z-MaxX · · Score: 1
    If you wanted cheap music, at least an ablbum at a time, borrowing or buying used CDs, ripping them yourself then returning ( or re-selling ) them is an option.
    That's an option. Also, I'd suggest looking at AllOfMP3, a Russia-based company where you can buy tracks, pay a VERY reasonable fee per megabyte, and have them custom encoded on-the-fly. You can choose Ogg Vorbis, MP3, FLAC, or WAV (why anyone would use WAV when FLAC is in the list is beyond me...). It's really awesome.
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  26. Re:DRM v GPL by MattW · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The GPL exists to protect rights; DRM exists to take them away. Duh.

  27. Engadget double-standards?? by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Engadget had no problem posting links to the WM-DRM crack, in multiple articles, including advocating its use, showing how to use it, and urging MS to not patch the hole. Yet, now they refuse to post a link to the FairPlay crack? What's the deal?

    --
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    1. Re:Engadget double-standards?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do give a link. Click on "Read" below the article.

  28. Re:DRM v GPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you kidding? This isn't even comparing apples and oranges.... More like apples and starfish.

  29. Link vs. Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can find the link in the comments above, but Google isn't intent on giving it out. Try searching for "QTFairUse6". Thankfully there are other search engines...

    1. Re:Link vs. Google by base3 · · Score: 1

      Wow, no DMCA notice, just plain suppressed. Can't say I'm surprised.

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    2. Re:Link vs. Google by Senzei · · Score: 1

      I just searched for it, appears to be indexed now. Evidently the googlebot was just slower on the draw than the other two.

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      Slashdot: Where anecdotes and generalizations can be freely substituted for facts, logic, or intelligence
    3. Re:Link vs. Google by JasonTik · · Score: 1

      I found it very easily on the first page of google.

  30. Or could it be. . . by n2art2 · · Score: 1

    Or could it be that, the number of people willing to brake the law, and circumvent(steal) reciprocation to the artists, are those who prefer Microsoft for use then those who prefer Apple.

    Could the higher percentage of people willing to use a tool to crack Windows Media DRM, over those people who prefer to use software (itunes) made by Apple, actually relate to a higher percentage of people with lower moral standards are those who prefer Windows over Apple software????

    I find it an interesting corelation. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

    --
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    1. Re:Or could it be. . . by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      You're making a very big moral judgement there, i.e. that Apple users don't break DRM, only Microsoft users do. Quickly shown as bollocks when you realise that FairPlay cracking tools have been in development and use for years now, and Fairuse4wm was released...a couple of days ago.

      I love how you try and make out that Windows Media is the choice of people with low morals, that sort of bullshit always makes me laugh. Funny how there's lots of Linux users here who love P2P, isn't it?

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    2. Re:Or could it be. . . by n2art2 · · Score: 1
      I only stated that out of those on this website, there is a higher percentage of those who prefer Windows software that would be willing to do such things, based on the statement made by the parent of my original comment.
      You're making a very big moral judgement there, i.e. that Apple users don't break DRM, only Microsoft users do
      Sounds to me like you are the one making sweeping generalizations and readying something that wasn't there. How does "higher percentage" mean all, and only?
      Wait, should I add in some choice vulgarities to make my post more sarcastic and demeaning????? Or is it only fair to attack those who make a comment about those who prefer Apple software over Windows, like the parent of my original post?
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    3. Re:Or could it be. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow.. though you are in effect saying you think window users are scumbags and apple users are paragons of virtue.. just with less hyperbole and more indirectly (or discreetly if you prefer).

      I think you can't support your claim, "there is a higher percentage of those who prefer Windows software that would be willing to do such things"
      This is because you are confounding this with the fact that there are more windows users in general, thus it seems that although there may be a higher absolute number of unscupulous windows users, PERCENTAGE-wise they may in fact be equal to or less than the unscupulous mac/linux/unix users.
      Thus I argue that the OS you use has nothing to do with morality.

      However, I think ad hominin attacks are an indication of rather low moral standards, don't you?
      (and yes i do quite realize the hypocrisy, and that is the point I am trying to make)

      -A. Coward

    4. Re:Or could it be. . . by n2art2 · · Score: 1

      Coward. . . please realize that I specificly stated, among those on this website. Which I would wager, the linux, mac, and windows user percentage numbers are close to even, if not much more so then the general public. But, I did of course specify use of Apple and windows software (ie: WMP or iTunes, since that is what we are talking about), and not that of the prefered OS in use. So I wasn't speaking about OS usage numbers. Also my comment was using, as a basis, the premise of the person I responded to to begin with.

      . . . and for ad hominen*(correct spelling), I agree with you completely. I guess that is why I didn't attack the original poster personally and only attacked the merit of his/her comments. But I also see your irony. Don't you just love it.

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    5. Re:Or could it be. . . by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      In cse you haven't noticed, Windows has a HUGE lead over Apple in market share. So, of course, more people are going to be using Windows to crack DRM. More people are using Windows for everything else too.

      -Eric

      --
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    6. Re:Or could it be. . . by Sancho · · Score: 1

      There are multiple issues here that everyone is confusing.

      1) Microsoft DRM, a crack for which was released and linked to on Slashdot.
      2) Apple DRM, a crack for which was released a few years ago, which prompted a race between Apple and the cracker to fix the problem/re-crack.

      and

      1) Using a Windows tool to crack (Windows users).
      2) Using an Apple tool to crack (Apple users).

      Microsoft has a huge lead in the OS market, no doubt about that. Nevertheless, Apple has a huge lead in the downloadable-music market. For the purposes of talking about "who is more likely to break DRM", it's definitely Windows users because they have the marketshare in that department. But for the purposes of "which DRM is more likely to get cracked", Apple 'wins'.

      Of course, from an analytical standpoint, it's moot. The two tools on which Slashdot reported ran Windows, I believe, meaning only Windows users would be doing the cracking. Therefore we only care about which type of DRM is being cracked. Far fewer people are likely to crack Microsoft DRM because far fewer people use it. Releasing information about that tool is, in a sense, less dangerous.

      Or maybe I just like to argue.

    7. Re:Or could it be. . . by n2art2 · · Score: 1

      ok, in case you don't read english very well. . .

      I was responding to someone who was talking about cracking Windows software DRM or cracking Apple software DRM. . . This has nothing to do with what OS you are using, because iTnues for Windows OS is still an Apple software, and the DRM is still Apple's. And sorry Microsoft does not have any where near the market share that Apple has in this market. (again, who is talking OS?????? Man, you can't say anything about Apple or Microsoft without someone thinking it is an OS flame war.)

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  31. ed2k link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    remember to remove spaces
    ed2k://|file|QTFairUse6-1.0.zip|112618|E3BEE68DD29 6F9FA88AC9BBCD121D129|/
  32. Re:[Russian Mafia]- fantastic music in ANY format by argent · · Score: 1

    It's really awesome.

    Also illegal unless you're in Russia, and if you think iTMS is ripping off the artists... oy veh.

  33. Don't bother with that link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free download limit already reached...Rapidshare.de blows for file hosting.

  34. For uncensored search results (incl. this) by RareButSeriousSideEf · · Score: 2

    http://clusty.com/search?query=QTFairUse6

    I would also provide a link to /files/31103061/QTFairUse6-1.0.zip.html on rapidshare.de, but that would be wrong.

  35. ... and here's a legal and ethical alternative. by argent · · Score: 1

    The best solution would be a convenient service through which I could buy the music I want unencumbered by DRM. I don't know of one.

    That reminds me, I just got a refresh on eMusic, time to download some legal MP3s for 25c each.

    What were you saying?

    1. Re:... and here's a legal and ethical alternative. by sobachatina · · Score: 1
      I suppose the key phrase from my quote would be "the musice I want"

      Based on your reply to my comment I signed up for the free trial of eMusic and searched for some of the music that I would be interested in buying. I tried a variety of genres that I like:
      Simon and Garfunkel- Only covers by violin players I've never heard of.
      Coldplay- Nothing.
      Winton Marsalis- Nothing.

      I gave up at that point and cancelled the free trial. The point is not just to download some random music and get to pay for it.

    2. Re:... and here's a legal and ethical alternative. by argent · · Score: 1
      I suppose the key phrase from my quote would be "the musice I want"

      You didn't say "all the music you want", and based on your choices (and your missing the Coldplay tracks) you didn't look very hard for music you wanted.

      And, look... eMusic carries music that the artists themselves make available DRM-free. That's obviously going to be a lot smaller selection than any DRMed site, but if you've got a beef with that, talk to the artists. Nobody can possibly create a legal site that carries DRM-free music without their say-so, so this is as good as it gets.

      Simon and Garfunkel- Only covers by violin players I've never heard of.

      I don't know how you'd get in touch with Paul Simon, but if you care whether Simon and Garfunkel is available without encryption, I'd start there. That's the only way you're ever going to get the music you want DRM-free, if that's "the music you want".

      Coldplay- Nothing
      Coldplay - Brothers and Sisters
       
      1. Brothers and Sisters 4:05
      2. Easy to Please 3:02
      3. Only Superstition 3:48
       
      Help - A day in the Life (compilation)
       
      22. How You See The World #2 (War Child) 4:04
          Artist(s): Coldplay
      Winton Marsalis- Nothing

      There's no Winton Marsalis, but there's Lee Rittenour and John Coltrane and Django Reinhardt and Dizzy Gillespie. Surely at least one of them has created music you like. I guarantee you Winton Marsalis would agree. :)
  36. Re:DRM v GPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mmmmmmm.... starfish.

  37. Re: Haha by JonTurner · · Score: 1

    Find, how? With a search engine. Just remember, Google and AOL (and others) are keeping a history of all your searches... which I'm sure the RIAA would love to subpoena at some point. Because everyone with this tool is obviously a criminal. Right? Right???

  38. one off, still the same thing. by Travoltus · · Score: 2, Funny

    How badly can a song REALLY degrade even if you compress it with *cough* *choke* *wheeze* mp3? *gasp* (eh, not for me, thank you very much; if I go lossy I go ogg) Not much, really, actually. It's certainly tons better than copying to audio tape.

    Once you do it, you lock in that DRM-free quality level forever and it never degrades again.

    Of course you can use APE or FLAC and bypass the loss of quality altogether.

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    1. Re:one off, still the same thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I certainly can tell the difference.
      mp3s sound like crap.

  39. GSM and SIM cards by tepples · · Score: 1
    Summary: you have to get a cell carrier to distribute the phones, and none of them want to let you upload music to your phone for free instead of making you pay to send it through their data network.

    Then why not sell multiband GSM phones on the Open Market(tm) and then have other carriers' customers yank the SIM card and stick it in your phone? Besides, I've read that the major nationwide GSM carriers in the United States (Cingular and T-Mobile) aren't nearly as restrictive with phone function lockdown as the CDMA carriers (Sprint and Verizon).

  40. Re: Haha by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Which is why it's important for as many honest people as possible to download this and check it out. Then the criminals might just slip under the noise floor.

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  41. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a revelation:

    If you don't like reading this sort of comments, DON'T GO TO SLASHDOT, ASSHOLE!

    Nobody's forcing you to post here. Get a life.

  42. Re:[Russian Mafia]- fantastic music in ANY format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll feel bad buying from allofmp3.com when a company that has a deal with record label offers the same thing. Until then it is obviously morally right to buy mp3s from allofmp3.com.

  43. No money from used CDs either by MDMurphy · · Score: 1

    And no money goes to the artists from used CD sales. The artists get screwed left and right. But you don't hear anyone arguing to ban those sales. ( Well, maybe the RIAA now and then )

  44. Re:[Russian Mafia]- fantastic music in ANY format by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 1

    But if it's morally OK to buy from allofmp3 (where the artists get nothing), then isn't it equally OK to just download music from Gnutella/Kazaa/whatever (where the artists also get nothing)?

  45. Whew by leoPetr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I stopped buying iTunes music after upgrading to version 6 and finding out that jHymn no longer worked. If I can't play it in Winamp, I am not going to buy it. Once this is incorporated into jHymn, I will be able to give Apple money again. Thank you.

    And, no, I can't take my money to eMusic or AllOfMp3. iTMS has artists that those two do not (and vice versa). Copyright is a temporary monopoly. If a label doesn't have a deal with a store, I can't get its stuff.

    --
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    1. Re:Whew by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      And, no, I can't take my money to eMusic or AllOfMp3. iTMS has artists that those two do not (and vice versa).
      You could at least gives us the names of the artists you can't find so we can verify.
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  46. Link dated October 16, **2003** by Ahnteis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Back in 2003, Itunes music store probably WASN'T making money -- but it's no longer 2003.

    There's a reason Apple won't license their DRM to other music stores -- and it's not because they lack the technical expertise to do so.

    1. Re:Link dated October 16, **2003** by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      It's because their DRM locks iTunes users into using the iPod. Dead simple, there.

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  47. Re: Haha by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 1

    Where 'ya gonna find any honest people in the wretched hive of scum and villany that's slashdot?

  48. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are both Cock Goblins...

    Get lives.

    ---Kick In Afterburner...Flame ON!

  49. Frankly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both software should be linked to. It seems to me that linking is NOT a crime, but if you (Slashdot) ACT like it is (or could be) then you give fuel to the intimidation campaigns by conceding to their anti-link demands by hook or by crook.

  50. CDs Anyone? by mrxoliver · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the UofK I can get myself most of the non chart (read non-crap) CDs for £5 in my local HMV, the fact that iTunes charges £7 for a DRMed version of the album without the little shiny jewel case seems a bit silly and I'm amazed how thick the ipod generation seems to be.

    1. Re:CDs Anyone? by Buran · · Score: 1

      the fact that iTunes charges £7 for a DRMed version of the album without the little shiny jewel case seems a bit silly and I'm amazed how thick the ipod generation seems to be.

      I'm sure there are people out there who would call you thick for cluttering your house up with CDs, jewel cases, etc., wasting space storing them, etc.

      People aren't thick for having different preferences than you do. That casual dissing just comes across as elitist.

    2. Re:CDs Anyone? by xtracto · · Score: 1
      Are you serious?
      The only reason why I have not bought a CD for the 2 years I have been on UK is that I refuse to pay ALMOST two times the PRICE for a CD.
      Xe.com:

      10.99 GBP United Kingdom Pounds = 20.9513 USD United States Dollars

      Prices in UK are ourtageusly fucked. Your head would explode if you saw all the music you can get for £4.5 or LESS. (including double CDs like Satriani Anthology)
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  51. "Trusted" CD-RW by tepples · · Score: 1
    I wonder if it's possible to create a sort of virtual CD-writer that'll trick iTunes into thinking it's burning to a CD but it's really just writing it somewhere on your HD.

    I wonder if It's possible for Microsoft to create a sort of digital signature for drivers that will verify that your CD writer is actually a CD writer, not a hard disk redirector.

  52. Go away, you're not 21 by tepples · · Score: 1
    If you want to support an artist or band, go see their live shows

    So what if your favorite band is playing at an establishment that the state has deemed a bar and you're not old enough to go into a bar?

    1. Re:Go away, you're not 21 by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Contact the band and tell them to play an all ages show. A lot of the bands that play where I live do this - they play an early all ages show, and a later "drunk" show. Or some shows are 18+ and you get a wristband if you are over 21 so you can drink. Bands make more money at bars because they get a cut of the liqour sales. (Sorry, but kids just don't drink up $40 worth of Coke at all ages shows.) I was once under 21 too and I still managed to make it to at least 5 or more shows a month back then. (Or invest in a fake, like I did, to see 21+ shows)

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  53. Here's your point, buddy! by bitbucketeer · · Score: 1

    My wife's U2 iPod won't play iTunes purchased songs when the battery runs down. It takes a full re-format/re-install and frankly I'm sick of doing it for her. Apple suggested that I just purchase another iPod since her's was out of warranty. I told Apple I had a much cheaper solution that involved not purchasing from iTunes anymore. I'll have to give QTFairUse6 a try to see if that fixes the problem since my wife wasn't too keen on my first solution (see seems to think the "convenience" is worth it).

  54. Implementation of Apple DRM MS DRM by amichalo · · Score: 1

    I don't see this as nearly as big an issue...you buy a song for $0.99 ... then you rip off the DRM (instead or re-ripping from CD)...net to Apple? You paid $0.99 for a song and did what you want with it.

    Now mvoe to Microsoft DRM...you pay $5.99 for unlimited access to a million Napster songs. You then rip the DRM. Net to Napster? You paid $5.99 for 1,000,000 songs.

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  55. Not Really by wbean · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, if you wanted to crack the drm this would be a big first step. Now you have the encrypted text (the original file) and the clear text (the AAC frames). That should make it much easier to break the encryption.

  56. Re:DRM v GPL by Smallest · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >The GPL exists to protect rights; DRM exists to take them away. Duh.

    you're kidding, right?

    DRM, whatever its form, exists to protect the rights of publishers. remember, the same laws that give people fair use rights also give publishers the right to profit from their creations. but people have proven conclusively that they won't honor copyright laws when it comes to music and movies, directly impinging on publishers' rights. and so the media companies keep racheting-up their technological schemes, trying to protect their publishing rights. yes, their schemes sometimes (often) encroach on our rights in the process. but, that doesn't mean that's the *intent* of DRM.

    and if people treated source code the way they treated music, the GPL (which also, yes, protects publishers' rights) would be considered as quaint as the 'copyrighted' flag in MP3s - we'd all look at it and chuckle, as we copied the source for our own GPL-violating uses.

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  57. God Loves DRM. by ElboRuum · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Always a fun topic.

    I always wondered what would have happen to some of the world's major religions if copyright law in its current convoluted form existed at the time of Moses. Would the Ten Commandments be copyrighted? Would Gutenberg have had to pay royalties? Would he have had to pay God? Check or money order? Would churches now have to get a volume license to relate the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah? Would Cain and Abel have gotten 'points'? Gross or net? And when Cain killed Abel, who bought up his rights from his estate?

    If the first letter of Paul to the Ephesians was read out loud to the Ephesians by someone other than Paul without Paul consenting in writing, could Paul sue for damages? Or does this qualify as fair use?

    If God liked DRM, would the first Bibles be like a big sheaf of blank pages, and when you pay your licensing fee, the words magically appear (only partially illegible due to compression loss)? Or would he just temporarily blind you every time you looked at it until you paid.

    Along the same lines, you know how people like to quote scripture? Would God give you a case of laryngitis if you tried to quote scripture without accepting a EULA first? Does the fact that God is omniscient and knows what you're thinking constitute a 'rootkit'?

    DRM, always a fun topic.

    1. Re:God Loves DRM. by mh101 · · Score: 1

      I know you're only joking, but the sad thing is that some versions/translations of the Bible actually can and are copyrighted. Try going to biblelookup.com and select New International Version. Rather than getting that bible verse in the NIV translation, they show you the nice C&D letters they got from the publisher.

      It's a sad day when the Bible, of all things, can be copyrighted.

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    2. Re:God Loves DRM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh. The bible's not a bad read, but it's no Lord of the Rings.

    3. Re:God Loves DRM. by Alsee · · Score: 1

      I always wondered what would have happen to some of the world's major religions if copyright law in its current convoluted form existed at the time of Moses.

      You'd get Scientology.

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  58. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, I love reading this sort of comments. Sorry to disappoint you.

  59. The lesson being - never delete DRM'd files by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    Even if you can't play them now-- sometime- probably within 24 months, you will be able to strip them of DRM.

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  60. Re:Easy compression rule by bhaberman · · Score: 1

    Fair use doesn't mean that you can violate the DMCA in order to copy a file for personal use. Bad analogy: the fact that you own a copy of a CD doesn't make it legal for you to "borrow" someone's CD drive in order to listen to it, even though fair use would allow you to play it on you own computer. Similarly, although fair use allows you to copy an DRM'ed song in order to listen to it, if you can somehow do that legally, it does not give you permission to violate a law in order to do so. Decrypting DRM'ed stuff is illegal, plain and simple. The DMCA is a LAW, same as copyright laws. What you're saying is "what I'm doing is legal, because although I am violating one law, I am not violating another."

    On the other hand, if your moral code doesn't coincide with the legal system and you don't have moral qualms breaking the law, be my guest. But don't think that your justifications have any legal meaning. When the DRM Gestapo come to your door to arrest you, you will have nothing to say.

    Disclaimer: I watch DVDs on my Linux machine, which is just as illegal :-).

  61. Re:[Russian Mafia]- fantastic music in ANY format by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
    But if it's morally OK to buy from allofmp3 (where the artists get nothing), then isn't it equally OK to just download music from Gnutella/Kazaa/whatever (where the artists also get nothing)?
    Of course if record companies are getting paid, but artists still getting screwed, it's "OK" to use iTunes too?
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  62. I can do that on my Mac WITH iTunes! by rgspb · · Score: 0

    I was desperate to get some German music for my mom's digital frame. I downloaded two cd's from iTunes MS and then remembered they can't be played on the frame because of the DRM. So, i did some experimenting. I opened the files in a program called Sound Studio. Saved them as an AAC file. Imported them back into iTunes. Converted them to MP3, and wallah! An MP3 that is unencoded. I'm not really sure what it did to the quality, and for my purpose it didn't really matter as they will only be played on the digital frame.

  63. Re:been there, done that - errata by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

    Hang on - I'm wrong - I found it:

    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=930 14

    "Make sure you deauthorize your computer before you upgrade your RAM, hard disk or other system components. If you do not deauthorize your computer before you upgrade these components, one computer may use multiple authorizations. If you find you have reached 5 authorizations due to system upgrades, you can reset your authorization count by clicking Deauthorize All in the Account Information screen. Note: You may only use this feature once per year. The Deauthorize All button will not appear if you have fewer than 5 authorized computers or if you have used this option within the last 12 months."

    So yes you're totally right. Still to keep files from flying all over the P2P I can get the gist of it. I've never had to juggle that many pc's myself, and I've got quite a few (but only 2 are my workhorses).

  64. that doesn't make sense by artifex2004 · · Score: 1
    Which is why it's important for as many honest people as possible to download this and check it out. Then the criminals might just slip under the noise floor.

    Why would honest people want to help criminals?
    1. Re:that doesn't make sense by Fordiman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because getting your iTunes downloads to play on stuff other than your iPod, without spending time burning a CDRW, is not criminal. You've paid for it, after all.

      Does wanting to format-shift my paid content easily constitute dishonesty? If you think so, I would kindly say, "Fuck you."

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    2. Re:that doesn't make sense by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, some people look at DRM, the 'AAs and a missguided interpretation of the law based from user forums and people with something to gain and come to some strange conclusions. They think that because you bought one thing you cannot use it with, as, or by something else.

      This notion, if applied to any other object you legaly own and use in the privacy of your own person could make it "wrong" to bake a cake with the surgar you just purchased for sweetening your breakfast cerial. Or more to the a simular end, It might make it "illegal" to crush your vitamins and drink them from your orange juice in the morning because the bottle says clearly they intended them to be swallowed whole with water. Simply absurd!

      I wonder if people realize this when they try to support the idea of "you can only do what someone else wants you to do after you paid for something?" Can i joins in on saying "Fuck You"!?

    3. Re:that doesn't make sense by artifex2004 · · Score: 1
      Because getting your iTunes downloads to play on stuff other than your iPod, without spending time burning a CDRW, is not criminal. You've paid for it, after all.


      You must have missed the quote I was responding to, entirely.

      Does wanting to format-shift my paid content easily constitute dishonesty?


      I never said that, as you surely know.

    4. Re:that doesn't make sense by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      Bravo! You managed to put it so clearly there.

      I've nothing to add to this, till the next instalment.

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    5. Re:that doesn't make sense by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      No, but your post implied that anyone wanting to use QTFairUse6 would be in some way dishonest.

      Meanwhile, I've been playing with it. I've been able to make it auto-fix the dumped files, name them properly and tag them. Also, rather than failing if run without iTunes running, it makes a fair effort to find iTunes before giving up.

      Once I've worked out the bugs and figured out how to use py2exe properly, I'm going to provide the modified version (source and binary) as an upload off my website.

      I'm not saying I'm doing anything special; the real work that Igor did in finding the backtraces is phenominal compared to my web-hunt-and-implement work in using the iTunes scripting interface.

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    6. Re:that doesn't make sense by zootm · · Score: 1

      To be fair, you've paid for DRMed content, and presumably agreed to obey its rules. As good as things like this are at proving that DRM will always be circumvented, it's no excuse for being so bloody stupid as to actually pay good money for crippled content.

    7. Re:that doesn't make sense by Tsiangkun · · Score: 1

      To all the people who think I paid for the file and not the music, I'd like to join the chorus and say
      Fuck You !

  65. CD's, radio and P2P by lullabud · · Score: 1

    My solution to DRM is simple: Don't buy DRM'd products. Buy the CD and rip it. You can usually get CD's on the cheap off Amazon.com. This doesn't work for the super-duper new music that's coming out, but there are a lot of great old CD's too. However, the chances are good enough that if a CD isn't cheap on Amazon then it's probably being played on the radio, and if it's being played on the radio I never feel bad about time-shifting my listening experience courtesy of P2P or friendly sharing.

  66. Re:[Russian Mafia]- fantastic music in ANY format by shark72 · · Score: 1

    "Of course if record companies are getting paid, but artists still getting screwed [slashdot.org], it's "OK" to use iTunes too?"

    Slippery slope. Getting $0.10 a track is infinitely better than getting zero. Even income of a couple of hundred bucks a month from online sales can make a difference when it's time to pay the rent.

    Perhaps a couple of hundred bucks a month might not make a difference to you. Or, perhaps you are of the belief that your favorite artists are wealthy enough that they don't need the extra couple of hundred bucks. But those are dangerous assumptions to make, particularly in regard to somebody else's livelihood.

    Pirate if you want -- but don't assume that the artist won't miss the money.

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  67. Re: Haha by geminidomino · · Score: 1
  68. Re:DRM v GPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The GPL protects the rights of authors by abridging the rights of others. You don't like it? Fine. Just don't use it.

    DRM protects the rights of authors by abridging the rights of others. You don't like it? OMIGOD WE MUST CR4CXOR1 IT IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE FREEDOM BLEEEEAAUAAAUUGH!

  69. Re:[Russian Mafia]- fantastic music in ANY format by argent · · Score: 1

    Of course if record companies are getting paid, but artists still getting screwed, it's "OK" to use iTunes too?

    There's always eMusic. :)

  70. my little python by snafu109 · · Score: 1

    get [their] hands dirty with a little python

    Am I the only one who was thinking something entirely unrelated to a programming language?

    1. Re:my little python by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah and I think slashdotters should be pretty used to getting their hands dirty with a little python.

  71. Why not let iTunes *give* you the data... by kabz · · Score: 1

    Interesting discussion. It had crossed my mind that you could pull the data straight off the iTunes visualizer, but a quick peek at the relevant docs shows that whilst you *can* get the data, it's downrezzed to 8 bits. OTOH, it does also pass a 512 point FFT to ya ... Heh. There's always a catch.

    Seriously, just burn the playlist to a CD. It's legal and easy.

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  72. Advanced Deauthorize Computer by Foerstner · · Score: 1

    it's a bit of a lifesaver if your wife happens to crash her Windows box on a regular basis, forcing a reformat and reinstall about once every six months.

    Do that before you format.

    In the event of a catastrophic crash (well, five catastrophic crashes) then log into the Store and click Deauthorize All.

    And next time, come up with a better excuse. Like, "if your wife happens to own a non-iPod music player" or "your wife wants to play her music on her Linux box."

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  73. Re:DRM v GPL by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

    Actually, both are there to protect the rights of the content creators/publishers. The GPL protects certain rights by a license (the right to demand that your code always be freely available). DRM does it by technology (the right to keep people from making your product freely available).

    Only public domains gives away all rights.

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  74. DRM is Dumb by Arcady13 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    DRM is dumb. And paying for digital bits is a waste of money. (No matter what the RIAA shills in the thread have to say.)

    But if you bought the thing on iTunes, you knew it was a DRM-encumbered low-bit-rate POS when you got it. Don't whine to me now about how the DRM sucks. If you feel that way, then you should have bought the fucking CD. At least you get a nice case with artwork to put on your shelf. (Of course, if it is a DRM-CD, then fuck 'em. Download it from allofmp3.com.)

  75. Cracked? Not quite... by kernelistic · · Score: 1

    Without meaning to sound anal, I do not think that the term "cracked" is adequate in this case: The encryption cyphers have not been compromised or factored.

    This Python program fishes for frames in iTunes memory after the decryption and before the decoding process and writes them out to a file. This does yield an unencoded AAC file in the end, but the process is real-time and therefore very time-consuming for large libraries.

  76. Re:[Russian Mafia]- fantastic music in ANY format by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
    Slippery slope. Getting $0.10 a track is infinitely better than getting zero.
    Or you could buy from another medium that pays more to the artists if you care so much.
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  77. Re:Easy compression rule by robpoe · · Score: 1

    Fair use allows me to use content that I purchased.

    I don't distribute.

    I don't download via torrent.

    I pay for the content. And I should be able to use it where I please.

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  78. Stop lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If you look at the price of a used CD, minus the price you get selling it back the next day, it's going to be cost competitive with ITMS purchase."

    The price of a used CD on Amazon is less than the price of buying crappy, DRM, lossy music on iTMS.
    And I belong to Sony/BMG where I'll get new albums for $7.50 (once a month they go on sale).

    So iTMS is for the same people who buy those small dogs because Paris Hilton owns one.

  79. Re:Easy compression rule by bhaberman · · Score: 1

    Yes, well, just because you think it should be legal doesn't mean it is. You might be doing something justifiable, and I have no problem with you doing it, but don't think that "fair use" gives you the right to do it. "Fair use" gives you the right to legally use content that you have purchased, but it doesn't override the fact that bypassing DRM is illegal. DMCA is a Very Bad Law BECAUSE it effectively eliminates the concept of Fair Use by making many fair uses illegal. Fair Use is not some kind of inalienable right. It is not as if the constitution says "Congress shall not make any law that prevents consumers from doing what they please with their own music, as long as they don't distribute it."

    Of course, if you mean "fair use" in the sense of "this is what I think I should be able to do", then of course it's fair use. But then "fair use" becomes synonymous with "conscience": My conscience allows me to use content that I purchased. Fair use, in the legal sense, does not allow you to do anything forbidden by the DMCA.

    One of the big problems in America is that the general public fails to see how bad of a law the DMCA is.

  80. Automated script, including tagging by teridon · · Score: 1

    I wrote a script in Perl to automate the process. It includes tagging the DRM-free files with the same tags as the original. This includes artwork, lyrics, etc. Download the script here

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