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Stargate Universe

Last night I finally scraped together the two hours to watch the premiere of Stargate Universe. Since the last two series really ran their course and deserved to end, I was skeptical. At first blush it appears that the show is just Atlantis + Voyager, shot in the documentary style that practically every sci-fi show since Firefly uses. But I enjoyed it, and figured we should have a place to discuss it. The TV landscape needs more real, good sci-fi: there's not a lot of it left, even on the moronically renamed Syfy channel. But maybe this one will have a solid season. I just hope that future episodes don't have so many commercials. I couldn't believe how many ads appeared during this thing.

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  1. firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Firefly wasn't shot documentary style, the special effects had some panning and zooming that first started in star wars episode II

    1. Re:firefly by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I suspect they meant TV-based series.

    2. Re:Firefly by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      It even had the potential to be the next Star Trek-like franchise.

      Star Trek stopped having potential somewhere around 1995. Now it's all about recycled plots, recycled characters, reset buttons and lens flares.

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    3. Re:Firefly by mrdoogee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It was on Fox.

      I wish it was more complicated, but there it is. US network TV has no patience for a new show, especially Sci-Fi or Fantasy. If it doesn't get good ratings (top 3 in time slot) within its first month, its more or less dead in the water.

    4. Re:Firefly by Canazza · · Score: 4, Funny

      If Firefly had been called Starfly it'd have suceeded

      Look at the 3 biggest Sci-fi franchises.
      Star Trek (5 TV Spin-offs, 11 Movies, countless books, 40 years old)
      Star Wars (7 Movies, 1 TV series, countless books too, 30 years old)
      StarGate (1 Movie, 2 DVD Movies, 3 TV Spin-offs, lots of books too, 15 years old)

      Then you have BattleSTAR Galactica, 2 Spin-offs and one in the works, also 30 years old.

      Next time you're pitching a script, put STAR in the title name somewhere, it'll go far!

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    5. Re:Firefly by mrdoogee · · Score: 1
    6. Re:Firefly by Sancho · · Score: 1

      It's a little more complicated.

      First of all, they moved the timeslot around. You had to be seeking out Firefly in order to watch it. You'll never attract new viewers this way.

      Second, the show was expensive. It's not enough for a show to just make money--it has to make more money than another show would in the same timeslot. Firefly started airing when reality TV was really starting to get popular, and reality TV was cheap to produce compared to traditional fiction series. The numbers just didn't work for Firefly.

      Third, the types of people who were interested in Firefly were also early adopters of DVRs and other technology that don't get counted when you start looking at ratings.

      Firefly was immensely popular in the geek and Whedon crowds. It was not that popular with everyone else. The ratings were poor, it wasn't bringing in enough profit, and so it got canceled. That Fox is particularly bad at only giving new shows a few episodes to prove themselves is really only part of the equation.

    7. Re:Firefly by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Interesting

      From what I have read, I am pretty sure that someone at the network didn't want Firefly to succeed. I don't know why, but showing the episodes out of sequence and pre-empting it for special events are a pretty dependable way to ensure that a show will be a failure. I don't have any idea if the show would have been a success if they had broadcast it in order and with a regular schedule, but I am sure that someone at Fox wanted it to fail. I loved the show, but I never even heard of it until after it was canceled. The first I heard of it was when the movie was released, but then the only network shows I watch are sports.

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    8. Re:Firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was popular among geeks and trend-setting.
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      Not when it aired it wasn't. It didn't become anything resembling popular until the DVD releases.

      Granted, the main reason it wasn't popular during airing was because Fox constantly changed the broadcast time, aired the episodes out of order, and so on. But the point is, it wasn't popular then so it got canceled.

      While it does appear to have been trend-setting, that's only partially true. After Firefly, the FX company responsible for much of Firefly's distinctive-at-the-time style went on to do the effects work for BSG, whose runaway success cemented that style as the new style of choice for scifi. Firefly was influential but did not in itself set the stylistic trend.

    9. Re:Firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get why Firefly was canceled. It was popular among geeks and trend-setting. It even had the potential to be the next Star Trek-like franchise. I suppose bean-counting overrode "buzz".

      Bean counting had even less to do with it than popularity and trendiness.

      It was cancelled because of office politics. Fox is famous for it.

      Fox exec "A" likes something, so rival Fox exec "B" decides to destroy it. The problem is that other execs like the show, so he can't kill it directly. The solution? Screw with it as much as possible so that it gets lousy ratings. So, instead of airing the episodes in order, don't show the pilot until four weeks in. Also, have it pre-empted by sports shows, and move it to a different timeslot for every episode. Fans won't be able to find it, and it will go away, and exec "A" gets reprimanded for pushing something that didn't garner enough viewers.

    10. Re:Firefly by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Well, there's only roughly 200 basic sci-fi plots known. Once you cover those 200, the rest is simply re-combinations of them and/or different crew members under similar circumstances.

    11. Re:Firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not always true

      The Amish... in... SPAAAACCCE! Now that premise was surreal, and I mean it in a good way.

    12. Re:Firefly by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Well also, unfortunately, sometimes this stuff ends up dying because some executive doesn't like the show. I don't know about Firefly in particular, but sometimes it's not even about ratings, but it boils down to politics and some guy's personal taste.

      Like let's say some executive signs a deal for a new show and then shortly after moves on to another job. The next guy to take the executive's position didn't like the previous executive, so he basically sabotages the shows that guy signed. Or maybe it's not personal, but the new guy wants to get his own pet project in to the choice time-slot, so he kills the show that was already there.

      Or there's the case of Quantum Leap, which eventually lost its ratings after repeatedly being moved to new time-slots. Rumor is the head of NBC at the time just didn't like the show and was trying to kill it.

    13. Re:Firefly by Reziac · · Score: 1

      "First of all, they moved the timeslot around. You had to be seeking out Firefly in order to watch it. You'll never attract new viewers this way."

      This is what networks do when they WANT to deliberately kill a show, but need a valid-sounding excuse (like "not enough viewers") to pawn off its irate producer.

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    14. Re:Firefly by Asclepius99 · · Score: 1

      I'd also suspect that Fox didn't do much to advertise the show since I hadn't even heard of it until Serenity was coming out.

    15. Re:Firefly by vlm · · Score: 1

      Next time you're pitching a script, put STAR in the title name somewhere, it'll go far!

      Remember The Last Starfighter? No? Didn't think so.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Starfighter

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    16. Re:Firefly by LatencyKills · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd agree with you, and yet struggle with the fact that the incredibly mediocre Dollhouse managed to get a second season and is also on Fox. I can't help but recall the story of Gilligan's Island and how it was cancelled as a top rated show to make room for Gunsmoke which was a favorite of someone in the programming head's family. I think more than any diabolical plot or general statement about shows that will or won't survive on TV, it comes down to literally one or two keys guys at a network liking a show - so it lives - or they don't like it - and it dies.

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    17. Re:Firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      starzinger...

    18. Re:firefly by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you trying to imply Firefly was some sort of fiction?

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    19. Re:firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the pan and zoom where first used in Babylon-5.

    20. Re:Firefly by Churla · · Score: 1

      Another thing which hurt Firefly was that Fox decided to air the episodes out of order. Watch them in the boxed set and they make more sense. Fox just figured that the whole explaining things and setting up plot parts wouldn't do good for the firs episodes, so they aired one with more action first. Then apparently split what was supposed to be the premier into two parts...

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    21. Re:Firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can't *really* be asking that in a thread about a show in which a major character was found because he beat a video game, eh?

      I half expected the computer to say "You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the Frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan Armada."

    22. Re:firefly by joposer · · Score: 1

      I suspect they meant TV-based series.

      Which, for the record, was first used on Homicide (in the mainstream, that is)

    23. Re:Firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefly cost to much. You could do a whole season of reality tv crap for the cost of ONE episode of Firefly.

    24. Re:Firefly by nine-times · · Score: 1

      the incredibly mediocre Dollhouse managed to get a second season

      I've wondered if the reason Dollhouse is getting more of a fair shake is because of Firefly. Maybe someone realized that they might have blown something good in not giving Firefly a chance to catch on, and so they're not being too quick to drop Wheadon's new show?

    25. Re:firefly by Code+Master · · Score: 1

      According to the commentary on the Firefly DVD of episode 2, "The Train Job", Joss did indeed want the show to be in documentary style. (I just happened to have watched it on Wednesday) He said they had to give the camera crews a lot of encouragement to actually get some wobble and lack of perfect focus. He also comments that he thought they would be the first to do it but then saw it in Star Wars after they had shot, but before they had aired. So Star Wars independently beat them to it and neither copied or inspired the other.

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    26. Re:Firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whilst I fit into the minority, I couldn't bear to watch Firefly. I tried to sit through a few episodes. The things that killed it for me were
      - The "western" style music
      - The acting was at best mediocre (note: I really appreciated Mark Sheppard, but 1 good actor in several episodes is not enough)
      - The stories dragged on and not much interesting happened
      - I didn't care about the characters
      - Predictable plot
      - Too many cliches for my liking

      For what it's worth, if I worked for the network, I would have cancelled Firefly on the above points too. The network needs to make money, so you invest the time/effort/money in series that you believe will be worth it - not because they have a personal vendetta.

      AC

    27. Re:Firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will never understand the short run of Firefly. Heck Titus lasted three seasons. I am thinking someone on the show pissed off a network exec.

    28. Re:Firefly by NoobixCube · · Score: 1

      I heard of it when a friend gave me a disc and said "Here! It's an awesome sci-fi series, pity it got cancelled!" After watching the 13 or 14 episodes (I forget how many right now), I thought he'd played some sort of sick joke and was withholding the rest of the season from me.

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    29. Re:Firefly by hardedge · · Score: 1

      Fox did the same thing to Space: Above and Beyond. As for SG:U - the premiere sucked royally. First episodes almost always do but this is going to have to get real betterer really fast.

    30. Re:Firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was on Fox.

      And it wasn't a cartoon.

      Don't watch any new series on Fox til they are at least 3 seasons in.

    31. Re:firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NYPD Blue did the crappy camera stuff long before B5.

    32. Re:Firefly by S-4'N3 · · Score: 1

      No. It should have been called Law & Order: Intergalactic Unit, or better yet CSI: Space

    33. Re:Firefly by HannethCom · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that they put it in the 8pm on Friday time slot originally. You know the time where most people who would want to watch the show wouldn't be home.

      Also at least here in Canada I read about it about a year before it was out, then the next thing I read is that it has been canceled. Nothing advertising that when it was starting, when it was on. I was looking forward to watching it, but didn't know it had started until after it was already canceled. I agree, someone didn't want it to succeed.

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    34. Re:Firefly by Professional+Slacker · · Score: 1

      A topical counter point to this is the first episode of SG1, which kicked all kinds of ass, and in my opinion was better than the movie. And yes Fox does love to kill good sci-fi, bastards.

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    35. Re:Firefly by Ifandbut · · Score: 1

      I remember The Last Starfighter and I liked the military-test-in-a-video-game reference to it at the beginning of SGU.

    36. Re:Firefly by NovaHorizon · · Score: 1

      better than me. I didn't hear about it until last year. and I saw Serenity a couple years ago. My friends who bought the movie didn't even know about the series.

    37. Re:Firefly by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      You forgot to mention showing the series out of order.

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    38. Re:Firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what the Fox network does, lots of things wrong. I can't believe Fox hasn't ended up killing some of its other shows due to there improper scheduling and other bone headed decisions.

    39. Re:Firefly by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      I'd agree with you, and yet struggle with the fact that the incredibly mediocre Dollhouse managed to get a second season and is also on Fox.

      I actually really enjoy Dollhouse, but that aside:

      It has been presented as common knowledge to me that Joss would only agree to another Fox venture if he was guaranteed the show wouldn't be cancelled after the first season based only on ratings. It still got screwed over for a timeslot, and I sure as hell haven't seen any ads for the second season. Ran across it on Hulu, fortunately. Screw Fox, man.

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    40. Re:firefly by UID30 · · Score: 1

      I can kill you with my mind.

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    41. Re:firefly by GravityStar · · Score: 1

      Star wars documentary style? What do you mean?

    42. Re:firefly by Code+Master · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I meant that the CGI space shots in firefly had zoom, lack of focus, and wobble to match the rest of the shows doc style which Joss had never seen done before, but Star Wars released with the similar feel in their space shots.

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  2. Hulu? by Drahgkar · · Score: 5, Informative

    One way to get rid of many of the advertisements is to watch it on Hulu. Granted you have to wait before episoded become available and the entire season of a given show isn't always available, but in general it's a lot better than sitting through lots of useless advertisements.

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    1. Re:Hulu? by Deus777 · · Score: 1

      SciFi.com also has the episodes of Stargate Universe online after they air. That's where I watched the premiere, since my DVR was apparently recording two other things when it aired.

    2. Re:Hulu? by magsol · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also, if you can put up with iTunes and its idiosyncrasies, the episode is available in HD for download...and it's entirely free. Not sure if that's an iTunes pricing bug, but at least right now it's totally free.

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    3. Re:Hulu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try to keep an open mind before modding troll but...

      Why not leave the adverts to stupid people? They are totally untargeted and irrelevent anyway, so just torrent.

    4. Re:Hulu? by Junior+Samples · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I downloaded the 720p High Definition Bit Torrent version Saturday morning and watched it with commercial free with my friends that evening.

      The SiFy logo and animated banners, however, are still annoying.

    5. Re:Hulu? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a better way is to build a mythTV box and simply let it strip out the commercials.

      far better to watch it in HD on my 42" plasma than the tiny 22" monitor on my computer at a less than SDTV resolution from HulU.

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    6. Re:Hulu? by hemp · · Score: 2, Funny

      I watched a show on Hulu using Chrome and it threw up a blank screen everyonce in a while apologizing for not being able to load a commercial.

      I forgave it.

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    7. Re:Hulu? by nametaken · · Score: 1

      And SG*U was posted quickly on Hulu. None of that 8 day crap they do for other shows.

      "Availability Notes:Season 1 episodes are posted the day after they initially air on TV. The final five episodes will remain up until the next season begins."

      http://www.hulu.com/stargate-universe

      Anyway, saw the premiere, would call it more of a BSG meets Atlantis than anything.

    8. Re:Hulu? by Baricom · · Score: 1

      iTunes (or the producers?) generally offer premieres and catch-up videos free of charge so people get into the series. It's not a bug, but it most likely is for a limited time.

    9. Re:Hulu? by BriGal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It detracts from the ratings. Unlike movies, where they claim torrents steal money from their pockets, shows depend on their viewers. The more legitimate viewers they get, the more likely the show will stay on the air. They can watch the viewers on TV, adding in +3 and +7 for DVR counts, and find out how many times it's been watched on iTunes and Hulu, along with other websites. What they can't count is how many people have torrented the show. More people torrenting mean less people being counted, which means lower ratings, which means cancelled shows. Torrent may be great for people outside of the country who won't see it, but within the viewing areas (in this case, US, Canada, and the UK), it hurts more than helps.

    10. Re:Hulu? by AshtangiMan · · Score: 1

      I saw it as BSG meets Voyager . . . but was impressed at how quickly I liked the characters. It took me a couple of years to be interested in Atlantis, and (7of 9 aside) never really liked Voyager. I wonder how long the show will be able to keep up a story line that is not way too predictable while also keeping a strong primary line (getting back to earth) in play. I mean, the ship has a stargate, and is going to stop at planets that have stargates. Once their location relative to earth is known (with all of those gates and the ancients (admittedly ancient) ship it seems quite likely that they can figure it out sooner than later) then they are home. So perhaps the device is not set up as BSG or Voyager where the primary goal is to get home, but rather we have not been shown the primary line yet. I remain hopeful but a little wary.

    11. Re:Hulu? by vcleniuk · · Score: 1

      It's also available on Playstation Network in SD and HD for a couple of bucks -- both without ad. interruptions. I use it to catch up on missed episodes... don't have a HD DVR yet. Watched the pilot, it was good. Reminded me very much of BSG -- at least the shot styles. I'll be watching it as regularly as possible. (Was really getting into Defying Gravity, more so, though.)

    12. Re:Hulu? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      One way to get rid of many of the advertisements is to watch it on Hulu.

      Now if we only had some way of getting rid of Hulu recommendations. Hulu only works in the US.

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    13. Re:Hulu? by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 1

      It's actually common for a 'large-hype' show to have it's first episode free on iTunes, either for just a week or for longer. They are trying to get you to watch and like the show. (The rest of the episodes won't be free.)

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    14. Re:Hulu? by mweather · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What they can't count is how many people have torrented the show.

      Then how do they come up with all those estimates about how much piracy is costing them?

    15. Re:Hulu? by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 1

      I downloaded the 720p High Definition Bit Torrent version Saturday morning and watched it with commercial free with my friends that evening.

      The SiFy logo and animated banners, however, are still annoying.

      These two things are related.

    16. Re:Hulu? by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      And how exactly do those ratings get recorded? I don't think my cable box reports back to Nielson everything I watch yet. Even if it does I know my TV doesn't if I watch without the cable box. If you are really worried about hurting the ratings of your favorite show then when you get one of those Nielson Family envelopes in the mail fill it out and participate. Just fill in whatever you watch off of bittorrent as though you watched it on regular TV.

    17. Re:Hulu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waaa!!! I got free TV without commercials. But the logo is Sooooo anoooying. Waaahh. I'm a little baby. Somebody feed me!!!

    18. Re:Hulu? by renimar · · Score: 1

      A lot of shows will be free for the first episode on iTunes, a sort of 'loss-leader' to suck people into buying the whole season if they think it looks interesting. It's usually temporary (the first couple of weeks of the season) before it becomes a pay episode again.

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    19. Re:Hulu? by wiredlogic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're probably of the LCD generation but go and set up a CRT with interlaced scanning and get back to us when you figure out that viewing 540-line fields is inferior to a progressive scanned image.

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    20. Re:Hulu? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      That's what VPNs are for. With a little clever programming of the router you an make it totally transparent.

    21. Re:Hulu? by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      No, they don't report back to Nielson, they use their own ratings.

      And if your cable box isn't reporting back your viewing habits now, it soon will.

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    22. Re:Hulu? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Does anyone know a free VPN server in the US that had sufficient bandwidth to watch Hulu?

      Well even if they did I guess it wouldn't have sufficient bandwidth if they posted it here. Catch 22!

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    23. Re:Hulu? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      SciFi.com also has the episodes of Stargate Universe online after they air. That's where I watched the premiere, since my DVR was apparently recording two other things when it aired.

      The first encore airing too?

      I ended up recording the Sunday morning airing. My Switched Digital Video box from Time Warner Cable decided it couldn't get the signal for the second airing Friday night and the TiVo Series3 wouldn't tell it to retry despite having a USB connection to the box and is otherwise hip to the situation for live TV by asking the user to hit Select to retry.

      BTW, has any Ancient/Alteran/Lantian/Ancestor/Ascended ever come out and said that they were the gate builders?

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    24. Re:Hulu? by artemis67 · · Score: 1

      BSG meets SG:A meets ST:V meets ST:TOS, but more BSG than anything else

      The camera work and the editing is very BSG, as well the relationships of the characters and the whole military-vs-civilians structure of the story. And some folks seem convinced that Rush is Baltar.

      ST:TOS is coming into play here because the ship will drop out of warp each episode as it finds the next stargate, and the crew will explore strange new worlds and new civilizations, and boldly go where no one has gated before.

      The problem there is that most sci-fi franchises seem to be at their best when there is a frequently-recurring antagonist. ST:V tried to create recurring villains, but how do you do that when the ship is traveling at warp speed in one direction? The stargates may alleviate that problem somewhat.

    25. Re:Hulu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same story, just different location. The premise was just too convenient. Formula:

      1. Someone dies.

      2. Sexual tension between a bad boy and female.

      3. Always has to be one hot head, carrying a gun(in this case the black actor, military soldier; Hollywood seems to think big-black-actors make good antagonist).

      4. Nerds versus jocks.

      5. And absolutely no gay characters, because apparently there are no gay people in the future, except for the occasional lesbian relationship(hold on nerds its on its way soon) to hook all those hard up nerds.

    26. Re:Hulu? by JeffSpudrinski · · Score: 1

      I watched my DVR'd copy last night and was immensely grateful for the "30-second skip" feature.

      However...I have to ask. I saw about three minutes of clips with Lou Diamond Phillips when they were on the base. They plastered his name *all over* the ads for that show. I wouldn't call myself a fan, but I do consider him an "B-Level" actor easily. He's always done solid acting and reminds me of a younger Edward J. Olmos and would be a good "anchor" actor for the show.

      Did I miss something? I didn't see him make it onto the ship? Did the actor have a falling out with the producers and get edited from the show or something?

      -JJS

    27. Re:Hulu? by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      I wonder how long the show will be able to keep up a story line that is not way too predictable while also keeping a strong primary line (getting back to earth) in play.

      The thing that bugged me most about Voyager was how often they were utter morons about the chances they had to get home. Two times, in particular, where they were stupid: the first episode, and the Slipstream episode. Both times, it would have been relatively trivial to get home quickly. I will elaborate if you can't come up with a solution inside 30 seconds on your own.

      Once their location relative to earth is known

      It is known though - they looked at a map of the ship's travel route, from where it embarked to current position. The ship knows exactly where it is relative to the Milky Way. The immediate problem (aside from the lack of oxygen) is not that they don't know where they are, it's that the ship doesn't have the power to create a wormhole all the way to the Milky Way (at least, not after such a long time without maintenance). They even know what address they need to dial to get back home - the computer told them.

      but was impressed at how quickly I liked the characters. [...] So perhaps the device is not set up as BSG or Voyager where the primary goal is to get home, but rather we have not been shown the primary line yet. I remain hopeful but a little wary.

      That's my feeling exactly... though RDA's brief appearance was a little jarring. He's getting fat :(

      On a completely unrelated note, was anyone else a little weirded out by the commercials for Sanctuary, in which Amanda Tapping (SG-1's blonde, American Samantha Carter) is a brown-haired Brit? She looked similar enough to be eerie, but different enough that I had to go look it up on IMDB before I'd believe it was her...

    28. Re:Hulu? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Syfy HD isn't much better. In high-action scenes, particularly those that include fiery explosions in the foreground, the image gets extremely blocky. Upscaled SD may be preferable.

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    29. Re:Hulu? by ReverendLoki · · Score: 1

      BTW, has any Ancient/Alteran/Lantian/Ancestor/Ascended ever come out and said that they were the gate builders?

      Yes, they have.. linky for more info than you need.

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    30. Re:Hulu? by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      (Was really getting into Defying Gravity, more so, though.)

      Me too. It makes me sad that it got canned. That seems to happen to sci-fi shows a lot. It makes me wonder if sci-fi fans are underrepresented in the rating polls...

    31. Re:Hulu? by IrquiM · · Score: 1

      Think it was said by a great man a few years ago....

      The answer my friend, is blowing in the wind....

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    32. Re:Hulu? by zakureth · · Score: 1

      >more of a BSG meets Atlantis than anything

      I was more thinking Space:1999 meets Doctor Who.

      Think about it. They will travel along on a huge craft they cannot control, repeatedly pop into entirely different/unrelated environments, get mixed up in some local drama, eventually solve somebody elses problem (while supporting some underlying story arc) and then move on. Eventually the stock arc will come to a cliffhanger at the end of the season.

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    33. Re:Hulu? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Only if you're in the USA, it seems. In the UK, you can buy the (2 minute, 44 second) trailer for £1.89 on iTunes. No thanks...

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    34. Re:Hulu? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      RDA's brief appearance was a little jarring. He's getting fat :(

      Cut the general some slack. It's hard to keep slim when they stick you with a desk job...

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    35. Re:Hulu? by The+Mgt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      but was impressed at how quickly I liked the characters

      I thought they were all pretty awful apart from Rush and Eli, although Eli did have that godawful 'a man died today' line. *shudder*

      Oh, and that math puzzle in the video game thing was just idiotic.

    36. Re:Hulu? by simcop2387 · · Score: 1

      I too see some promise in the show, but after seeing the premier I have decided that it deserves another moniker; Stargate: The last delta flier. (i some someone can figure out both of the references there)

    37. Re:Hulu? by tepples · · Score: 1

      540-line fields

      If a work broadcast in 1080i HDTV is shot on film or is otherwise <= 30 frames per second, the TV can (in theory) perfectly deinterlace the signal to 1080p.

    38. Re:Hulu? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I haven't had cable for a while, but when I did, I never had a "cable box". It just plugged into my TV. Obviously, I didn't get the premium channels, but I didn't miss much. Anyway, this idea of ratings is bogus: the networks have no way of really knowing how many people are watching their show, so if you're not one of the Nielsen Families, then you might as well just use BitTorrent.

      Besides, why can't they just get ratings directly from BitTorrent? Every time I look up a torrent, it tells me how many seeders and leachers there are. Monitoring a torrent continuously should give you a lot of information on exactly how many people are downloading it, including their IP addresses, which would also give you their geographic location (accurate to country at least, which is all you really need for this purpose).

    39. Re:Hulu? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be so annoying if they spelled their name correctly: "SciFi". It's only become annoying recently because they changed to such a moronic spelling, in an attempt to get more morons to watch the channel apparently.

      I think it's a perfectly legitimate gripe.

    40. Re:Hulu? by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      Sounds more like Sliders meets... Sliders.

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    41. Re:Hulu? by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Is it as annoying as people who use 'she' as a gender-neutral pronoun in a desperate act of political correctness?

    42. Re:Hulu? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally, I think it's more annoying, but it probably depends on the person. As a lifelong Sci-Fi fan, the new "SyFy" name really irks me, and I suspect a lot of people here on Slashdot would agree with me. If you go ask a bunch of random people on Facebook, you probably will find they don't care.

    43. Re:Hulu? by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 1

      I watched my DVR'd copy last night and was immensely grateful for the "30-second skip" feature.

      However...I have to ask. I saw about three minutes of clips with Lou Diamond Phillips when they were on the base. They plastered his name *all over* the ads for that show. I wouldn't call myself a fan, but I do consider him an "B-Level" actor easily. He's always done solid acting and reminds me of a younger Edward J. Olmos and would be a good "anchor" actor for the show.

      Did I miss something? I didn't see him make it onto the ship? Did the actor have a falling out with the producers and get edited from the show or something?

      -JJS

      He did not. I missed it the first time too, but upon re-watching it (torrent rather than commercial ridden broadcast this time), I saw what became of him. He hopped into a 302 and took off to defend the base from the gliders. He ended up landing on the Hammond and going back to Earth when the planet blew up. He is intended to be a recurring character, who will make appearances when they "travel" back to the SGC via the ancient long range communication device.

    44. Re:Hulu? by LordNimon · · Score: 1

      I'll just wait until next year when it comes out on DVD. No commercials, no logos, and I'll just rent it from Netflix. It may even be made available online.

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    45. Re:Hulu? by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      They changed it for marketing purposes. They can trademark "SyFy" but not "SciFi".

      [John]

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    46. Re:Hulu? by EdIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I downloaded the 720p High Definition Bit Torrent version Saturday morning and watched it with commercial free with my friends that evening.

      The SiFy logo and animated banners, however, are still annoying.

      These two things are related.

      Which is why I say FUCK EM.

      I wrote a letter to them awhile ago, quite awhile ago actually, where I bitterly complained about the fact I was paying for the SciFi channel and they were RUINING the experience of Stargate Atlantis with that stupid overlay of the SciFi logo constantly and those advertisements.

      Seriously? Advertisements for their own shows, animated no less, that take up 20% of the lower screen?

      It's the stupidest thing I have ever seen. A movie costs approx. $11 and they don't pull that crap. I was probably paying around $10 a month for the SciFi channel on a few digital receivers.

      Well I canceled. Told SciFi I canceled too. I don't even have an interest in pirating SciFi. Actually, the interest is the same amount of interest I have in German gay scheisse porn. Zero.

      If Stargate Universe really is that good, then the whole 1st season will be out on DVD soon enough. I will get it through my Netflix account and watch it then. If it is really good, then I will probably buy the 1st season for my collection. Have SG-1, and Atlantis already.

      So you know what? SciFi channel wins. I won't pirate their content, I won't watch their content, and I won't pay for their content either.

      Fuck EM. Deep and Hard.

    47. Re:Hulu? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      They can most certainly trademark "The SciFi Channel". No, they can't trademark the word "SciFi" since it's a common term, but then again, "Food" is a common term too, but I don't see The Food Channel complaining that they can't trademark it, or trying to change their name to "Fude" or "Fued" or "Fewd" or something else stupid like that.

      Why on earth do they need a trademarked name anyway? As long as the entire channel name is protected, that's all they need. Just like you tune to the Food Channel if you want to see cooking shows, or Animal Planet if you want to see shows about animals, or Discovery Health if you want to see health-related documentaries, you tune to the SciFi Channel if you want to see sci-fi shows and movies.

      The executives stated this back when this was a Slashdot story: they changed the name to "SyFy" to try to appeal to people who don't like negative associations with "sci-fi", even though tons of extremely popular and high-grossing movies in the last 40 years have been sci-fi: 2001, Alien, Star Wars 1 2 & 3, Aliens, Terminator 1 & 2, and far more, too many to count. If someone doesn't want to watch "The SciFi Channel" because they think it'll be too geeky or something, then this is someone that probably doesn't have any interest in any kind of sci-fi, and would rather watch Survivor or American Idol, and isn't worth pursuing anyway.

    48. Re:Hulu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure you meant Quantum Leap. Yeah.

    49. Re:Hulu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Stargate Universe really is that good, then the whole 1st season will be out on DVD soon enough.

      According to people on Gateworld, they're releasing season 1 in two parts.

    50. Re:Hulu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly why(?!) does the "sci-fi" now gay-gy channel have to ---rape every IP that they've managed to acquire with their gaya-s filming process and crap script writing?

      They've already managed to destroy Battlestar Galactica into Gaystar Gaytica, and now they're moving in on Stargate?!

      What next?! They manage to some how find the cash to buy the Star Trek and/or Star Wars franchises and turn them into Gay Trek and Gay Wars?

      If they managed to come up with their own independently created and produced shows I'd at least have some slight recognition for them, but this a-s raping of otherwise good IPs needs must end ASAP. Their corruptions of the IPs are absolutely horrendous, and hopefully soon they'' have Farscrape and their other old crappy shows to focus on as it's just the way they handle this and the scripts... they're so awful that it's WAY beyond a disgrace, especially when they "decide" oh hell let's ignore everything before our "wonderful" "new" show that will wow the gullible... aaaaagghhhhh

    51. Re:Hulu? by Curtman · · Score: 1

      No, they can't trademark the word "SciFi" since it's a common term

      Yeah, that would be rediculous. That would be like a trademark on windows.

    52. Re:Hulu? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Funny

      At least it's not bluediculous or greendiculous.

    53. Re:Hulu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It passed spell check.. It's good to go.

    54. Re:Hulu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the issue isn't being able to deinterlace perfectly.

      the issue is that

      a 720p screen has updates of 720 lines 60 times a second.

      while

      a 1080i screen has updates of 540 lines 60 times a second.

      for scenes with low movement, a 1080i stream will approach a 1080p in actual resolution, while for a stream with high movement inside of it, it will tend towards 540 lines of actual resolution.

    55. Re:Hulu? by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      I won't watch it on the Syfylus channel cause it has STD's. I'd pay for and watch Hulu if they weren't asshats to Linux users. I doubt I'll ever own cable again. I've seen enough slide ups, popups, slide down, splats and other vomit that I'll wait for the fucker to come out on DVD first.

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    56. Re:Hulu? by rogerdr · · Score: 1

      Wishful litigation?

    57. Re:Hulu? by rogerdr · · Score: 1

      The video recruitment via video game is straight from The Last Starfighter. You have been recruited by the Star League to protect the frontier from Xur and the Kodan Armada...

    58. Re:Hulu? by qmaqdk · · Score: 1

      Oh, and that math puzzle in the video game thing was just idiotic.

      Exactly. I turned off the TV at that exact moment.

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    59. Re:Hulu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get this - ESPECIALLY with TV shows. When you're stuck having to be in a specific place at a specific time for a specific length of time, torrenting is a good way to catch up with shows that you missed because you were a) at work, b) at school, c) in the shower, d) asleep, e) outside the country, f) insert your own. Torrenting, then, is what people who wouldn't have added to the ratings anyway do; thus, they're not detracting from the ratings.

    60. Re:Hulu? by Alamais · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Going by the names of the initial episodes, it is _very_ BSG. Air. Power. Water. Food. Some of the same things BSG dealt with. Not that this is a bad thing--these are legit issues for both situations, and provide a good way to flesh out the characters. As for a recurring antagonist, I'm going to guess that the mysterious attacker who did all the damage to Destiny may eventually take that part.

    61. Re:Hulu? by Alamais · · Score: 1

      Tapping in Brit mode pwns.

    62. Re:Hulu? by bk3759 · · Score: 1

      The SiFy logo and animated banners, however, are still annoying.

      Agreed. The logo/peacocks plus the teasers on the bottom third for other show amounts to commercials while watching a show. Adam Carrola was right; its only a matter of time before the peacocks are use for commercials. i.e. coke ad on American Idol. or Jones Soda while watching Leverage on TNT; Age of the geek. Will this lead to shorter commercial breaks.... *checking* nope, not one second less.

    63. Re:Hulu? by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

      If you watch on a digital HDTV capable of 1080i (which ALL of them are), various filters and post processing magic removes most of the interlacing. 1080p is superior in detail for static scenes to 720p. That's why they televise golf tournaments in that resolution - the postcard like backgrounds of a golf course look much more detailed at 1080i.

      However, despite the post processing, 720p shows motion better than 1080i - 60 fps instead of 30, and less artifacts introduced by the interlacing.

      For a show like this one, it doesn't really matter. The sets and backgrounds and computer graphic shots aren't really detailed enough to look better in 1080 resolution.

    64. Re:Hulu? by Skreems · · Score: 1

      That sounds about right, especially since now the major networks are outdoing them even at hard sci-fi. Defying Gravity, FlashForward (adapted from a book, granted, but still nicely done), Fringe, the upcoming V remake, Dollhouse... hell, between Firefly and Kings, Fox alone has prematurely canceled more top-notch sci-fi shows than the Sci-Fi channel has created, and ABC is trying really hard to give them a run for their money. The only thing I've seen come out of the new "SyFy" is that insufferable mess called Warehouse 13. Battlestar was an aberration... they'll be back to programming 22 hours a day of Tremors: The Series reruns soon enough.

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    65. Re:Hulu? by mR.bRiGhTsId3 · · Score: 1

      I thought he looked old more than anything. That was the most jarring part for me. Still, the classic O'Neil humor was there, which made me happy.

    66. Re:Hulu? by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      iTunes is great if you're watching the video on some kind of iPod, but the quality isn't competitive for desktop viewing.

    67. Re:Hulu? by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      No, but it is as annoying as people who use "he" as a gender-neutral pronoun in a desperate act to appear manly.

    68. Re:Hulu? by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      At least Eli looks like a real geek unlike Dr. Jackson who looks like a leading man when he takes off his glasses.

    69. Re:Hulu? by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      You mean that if a character doesn't proclaim he's gay in the pilot, he can't be one? Something like "Wait, I'll use my gay powers to repair the life support".

    70. Re:Hulu? by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      I didn't get the sense that this series was supposed to be in the future. SG1 and Atlantis both tracked with viewer time.

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    71. Re:Hulu? by cujo_1111 · · Score: 1

      I thought iTunes gave you HD content now?

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    72. Re:Hulu? by cujo_1111 · · Score: 1

      RE point 5. How do you know there were no gay characters? Or are you stereotyping gays into high fashion and a lisp? Rush could be gay Eli could be gay (although being that big a nerd, likely that he has never touched a woman other than his mum, so jury is still out) Intense black dude could be gay The console operator guy does look gay with his silly blonde/white hair...

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    73. Re:Hulu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If people would stop referring to the silly ads and logos as bugs and start calling them cum stains maybe we can get the religious right so offended by them they for the FCC to ban them.

    74. Re:Hulu? by Fizzl · · Score: 1

      Oh, and that math puzzle in the video game thing was just idiotic.

      Yeah, the concept made me cringe.
      It makes you feel that their key demographic is basement dwelling, college drop-out, fat losers who play MMOG's all day, who fantasize about some kind of miracle changing their miserable lives.

    75. Re:Hulu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then how do they come up with all those estimates about how much piracy is costing them?

      They've got asses, just like everyone else. And they have enough motor skills to pull stuff. The result follows as a weird kind of synergy effect, I suppose.

    76. Re:Hulu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't blame the actors for bad lines. They killed off the senator, leaving his daughter and Eli to hook up, which of course would never happen in real life, but stranded aboard an alien ship millions of lightyears from home....who knows?

    77. Re:Hulu? by hesiod · · Score: 1

      The Biggest Loser -- a "reality" show -- has commercials in the show itself, where a trainer whores some "health food" product, acting like they are doing it to help the person, and not selling out their profession.

    78. Re:Hulu? by Taevin · · Score: 1

      According to the page on Wikipedia, Camile Wray "is the first openly gay character in the Stargate franchise. Her long-time partner back on Earth, Sharon, will first appear in "Life" in a possibly recurring role." Of course it's exactly as you said: a lesbian relationship. This should be no surprise though because lesbianism is well tolerated, even encouraged, in this country.

      You can currently only have gay male characters on mainstream television if they are the "flaming queen" type for comic relief. Given the level of homophobia in this country, if you were to portray a realistic, loving relationship between two men you would have moral outrage from the religious right and basically instantly kill your show (simply because so many people would stop watching).

    79. Re:Hulu? by hansonc · · Score: 1

      Just because the lawyers claim it to be true doesn't mean that the advertisers are going to believe the made up numbers.

    80. Re:Hulu? by rilian4 · · Score: 1

      That's my feeling exactly... though RDA's brief appearance was a little jarring. He's getting fat :(

      On a completely unrelated note, was anyone else a little weirded out by the commercials for Sanctuary, in which Amanda Tapping (SG-1's blonde, American Samantha Carter) is a brown-haired Brit? She looked similar enough to be eerie, but different enough that I had to go look it up on IMDB before I'd believe it was her...

      Add to that she was playing Sam Carter on SGU w/ blonde hair and then they'd cut to a commercial of her in Sanctuary showing her w/ brown hair...freaky.

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    81. Re:Hulu? by JeffSpudrinski · · Score: 1

      Ahhh...gotcha. I remember that now, but I don't remember it being very clear about him landing on the Hammond.

      I was hoping he was going to be more than a "recurring character". He's a pretty solid actor and they need some solid actors to take the lead on this show.

      Not that I didn't like it per se, but it wasn't quite what I was hoping. However, it took Atlantis a season or two to grow on me (not like a fungus) and I actually enjoyed it by the end of the run. It got cooler when they started flying the city around.

      I just hope this doesn't degrade into "breakdown of the week" where the old ship has another critical system failure that almost kills everyone until they find what they need on a planet at the last second.

      Thanks for clearing it up for me, though.

      -JJS

    82. Re:Hulu? by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      Except there's zero artistry to it. In BSG at the beginning, you had those beautiful shots of the admiral drinking water in his office while waiting for news on the state of water.

      In this, you just have cheesy shots of air getting sucked out of doors.

    83. Re:Hulu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (This Years Revenue - (Last Years Revenue + Estimated Growth)) * PF = Estimated Loss to Piracy
        - PF is the piracy factor, anywhere from 1.0 to 2.0 depending on how evil the company is

    84. Re:Hulu? by Alamais · · Score: 1

      Hey, they can't all be works of Ron Moore, and frankly who would want that? BSG was great, but it was also more than a bit.....emo.

      The effects of Destiny wafting through space were beautiful, so there's -some- visual artistry at least.

      Actually, I'm rather hoping there's -more- 'cheesy' shots like that. Something that definitely felt different about Destiny when compared to Atlantis and SG1's worlds was that it made me feel a little claustrophobic.

      Lots of SG1 took place outdoors, and Atlantis had plenty of open rooms and balconies and etc, and a brighter color scheme. Destiny, with its dark halls, dead ends and traps and the bulk of the ship unknown and closed off feels more like a labyrinth. Where's the Minotaur?

      I also like the fact (and I hope they stick to it) that weapons are limited. Let's see some improvised Kino-launcher weapons, and swords and spears! I know, I know, unlikely--they'll probably find an armory or something in episode 5, but I can dream.

    85. Re:Hulu? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      a digital HDTV capable of 1080i (which ALL of them are)

      Wrong. 720p was the limit of many consumer sets just a few years ago.

      1080p is superior in detail for static scenes to 720p. That's why they televise golf tournaments in that resolution

      Nothing is broadcast in 1080p, in the US anyway.

    86. Re:Hulu? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      The entire SG-Anything series blew. Hard. Poor scripts, acting, story, and effects. What less could anyone ask for? How could any aspect of the show have been worse? There were *zero* redeeming qualities, from continuity to plausibility, from fugly actresses to washed-up has-been guest stars. The series would have been cheaper & more exciting if they spliced in mashups of MacGyver. I would rather eat a burger from Jack in the Box than watch that show ever again.

    87. Re:Hulu? by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

      Sorry, wrote that comment in a hurry. I meant the following :

      1. Basically all HDTVs sold today post process the video digitally, and remove the interlacing. Some remove it more effectively than others.

      2. 1080i is better for golf tournaments than 720p.

      With the interlacing removed, 1080i is kind of like 30 frames per second 1080p. For a lot of content, that's pretty good...film is only 24 fps, and there's various processing magic you can perform to get content to look very good at 1080i.

      It's not a bad format. It is a pity they didn't wait until h.264 encoding was available, and make the high def broadcast format scale higher, with all the available resolutions in a progressive format. But, at least it is available.

      1080p "broadcast" is entirely practical on a fiber optic TV network...there may be some channels like that in the U.S.

    88. Re:Hulu? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      There goes my idea 2^2 using math problems in the middle of my posts. :(

      OR DID IT?!?

    89. Re:Hulu? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Go into the Apple Store and check out the HD content on display on the AppleTV.

      I didn't find it terribly impressive myself.

      The displayed (on iTunes) filesizes alone should be a good
      clue that their idea of HD is severely restricted. You can
      only gut the bandwidth requirement of the files so much
      before it's HD in label only.

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    90. Re:Hulu? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Most consumer sets that do/did 720p were also capable of 1080i.

      It was 1080p that was "a step up".

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    91. Re:Hulu? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Actually: it's "Food Network".

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    92. Re:Hulu? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Yes, SGU is much like NeoBSG but it sucks remarkably less. It has less of the
      sort of gratutious "emotional toxicity" that plagued NeoBSG from the start.
      The characters are all remarkably more sympathetic as are the setup for the
      story.

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    93. Re:Hulu? by Danathar · · Score: 1

      Curious as to why I was rated Troll.....

  3. Troubleshooting skills. by eNygma-x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I liked the show... but they they still need some thinking writers. Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!

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    1. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I wondered the same thing! Strap any random object to the Keno and use it to punch the correct button to close the hatch. But hey, that wouldn't be nearly as heroic, would it?

    2. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by chasmosis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thought the same thing. tape a pencil to it and have it press the "button"

    3. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!

      Because they don't have the ancient activation gene, or arms for that matter.

    4. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Barny · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But, someone would still have to die, who would hold the "shakey cam" while it presses the button?

      Seriously, bad focus + shakey cam can just fucking die imho.

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    5. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think they explained this in the show. The ship had a 'safety mechanism' that required a person to be inside (i guess so it doesn't lock people out).

      Or something

    6. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

      I liked the show... but they they still need some thinking writers.

      They don't need writers. What they need is more lens flares. You can't have a Sci-Fi show without them, ya know?

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    7. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!

      They stated that it had a safety measure to re-open. I believe that they had tried triggering the button while outside the door, but the door just re-opened. My brain decided that a human had to be present to push the button. The only problem then... wouldn't the door re-open once that person died?

    8. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I liked the show... but they they still need some thinking writers. Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!

      My kingdom for a mod point!

    9. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, for a show that features Richard Dean Anderson, you would think they could have "Macgyvered" something to shut the hatch.

      All and all a good show though... stargate... check. sex... check. explosions... check. I will definitely be tuning in for episode 2.

    10. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by zebadee · · Score: 1

      I liked the show... but they they still need some thinking writers. Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!

      They mentioned in the show there was a "safety mechanism" which they suggested required a person to be in the ship/room to close the door.

    11. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by tmosley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stargate always had problems thinking imaginatively. For example, once they developed the cloaking device, I would have used it as a proxy teleporter to make nukes appear in the center of Ori ships. When they had the ship with all the Asgard technology, they could have frozen time, reconfigured the ship so that it had a hole in it through which the beam weapon could pass and thus destroy both of the pursuing Ori vessels without issue. That is, rather than waiting until they started dying of old age. Sure, it would have taken a few months, or maybe even years to get through that battle, but they would have made it without a problem. Etc.

      Similar lack of thought has plagued a lot of other shows. For example, why didn't anyone in the Star Trek universe ever come up with the idea of using warp drives as weapons in a systematic way? A runabout crashing into a borg cube at warp seven would do quite a bit more damage than a photon torpedo, I would imagine. I guess kinetic energy just isn't "futuristic" enough. Hell, Picard tried to use ramming speed with the Enterprise on at least one occasion that I remember, one would think they would have realized that would be a hell of a weapon, and that they could store hundreds or even thousands of them on a ship like the enterprise (assuming they removed the crew compartments).

    12. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by eNygma-x · · Score: 1

      No the "safty measure" was that the door could not be blocked open.

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    13. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by JustinOpinion · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'll have to rewatch it to be sure, but my recollection is that the "safety mechanism" prevented the door from being propped-open (they said "like an elevator")... I don't think they said it had to be a person pressing the button.

      On the other hand we know from previous shows that Ancient technology seems to check "who" is pressing buttons. Many pieces of tech require the "Ancient gene" specifically, but it's not too far-fetched to suggest that various controls have to be pressed by an actual person (to prevent, for instance, random pieces of debris pressing important buttons).

      At a minimum, it would have been nice for them to mention this possible solution. One of the most amazing things about the Stargate series is how for most problems, they will discuss/try a wide variety of solutions before finally finding the right one. In this sense it's much more like real engineering/science... which is satisfying.

    14. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly I can't log in due to weirdness with the proxy at work, but it did make sense given what they said. There was some sort of "safety" protocol in the shuttle, so that the door would not close unless someone was inside it. After all, in the event of a leak, the airlock door itself was supposed to close, but the mechanism was broken so they couldn't close it. The safety protocol is actually the exact same thing my car does if you lock the door and close it with the key inside (door instantly unlocks). It was supposed to make it so you couldn't accidentally lock yourself out of the shuttle by closing the door. The sensors didn't pick up anyone inside, so the door opened. It seems dumb, but the Ancients obviously didn't count on the shuttle developing a leak and the airlock door breaking at the same time. Would there be a solution without sacrificing someone? Probably, and I'm sure the Ancients could've done it fast, but this was a human expedition with only limited knowledge of Ancient technology, and they were up against a time limit. Fix it in an hour, or everyone suffocates. They simply didn't have time to find and disable the shuttle's safety protocols in the time allotted. And the guy who sacrificed himself was going to die anyway.

    15. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Deus777 · · Score: 1

      My gripe was not so much with the hatch closing problem as with a few other things.

      First, why did the point of origin for the 9 symbol address have to be Earth's symbol? They weren't on Earth, and they weren't using the Earth gate. There has been no indication that stargate addresses are relative to the point of origin throughout the rest of the series, in fact, there is some evidence that the addresses are absolute (for short time scales). The only way the 9 symbol address makes sense is if it is some kind of special code instead of a gate address. After all, the ship is moving around all the time, so normally it's gate address would also be changing all the time too.

      Second, if no one has been on the ship since it was launched, why are the CO2 scrubbers full of gunk? What's been causing CO2 in the air that needed to be scrubbed out?

      Third, if the air has been leaking out of the ship since it was damaged, where is the new air coming from?

      Possibly a fourth, didn't the ship that had the Asgard technology on it escape back to earth? I don't remember which ship that was, but you'd think that they would have upgraded the shields an weapons on the Hammond by now. If so, it should've had no problem taking on 3 Goa'uld motherships.

      That said, I'll still watch the show for a few more episodes, at least. I'm looking forward to the explanation they come up with for how the ship can travel faster than light without using hyperspace.

    16. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by axor1337 · · Score: 1

      ok let me start with the physics of startrek warp drive. (you can warp through things, when in warp you are out of normal space time. DUH so a Run about would pass through the borg cube. jeeze read a book. they couldn't nuke the ori ships like that due to shields. as for reconfiguring a ship in space of that size with only 6 people ya right ok if you say so. the point of the storyline was to develop the characters specifically Daniel and Vala. you just don't get it go Back to your Dungeons And Dragons

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    17. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by ReverendLoki · · Score: 1

      Myself, I'd be more than willing to allow some skin to be cut from my arm or whatever to stick to the end of a pencil to be taped to a Keno to save someone from having to sacrifice their life.

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    18. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      You're using a camera in an environment with extreme contrast. You're going to get a lensing effect.

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    19. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      It was designed by typical "dead man switch" idea. It looked like you needed to press one button to close the door. That could be managed done from distance with a anykind stick or small rope and stick top of the button what allows you to drop an object over the button. What would have something bigger on it so the object would only hit that one button.

      But, it was part of the story and very clear one. Even one of the oldest ideas.

    20. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Shakey/bad focus cam was invented to hide really REALLY bad CG or incredibly bad choreographed fight scenes. They did it first on the Borune Supremacy because they did not want to hire real actors or peopel that could actually choreograph a fight. So they shook the hell out of the camera and basicvally did the "I cant use a camera" filming style to hide that the movie actually sucked.

      Now everyone uses it because you can spend 1/3rd on your CGI if you shake the hell out of the camera. Several of my friends that do CG on hollywood movies hate it, because they dont get to do their craft, they just do the half assed cheap version with shakey cam. It saves nearly 1/2 on the cost of CG compared to doing it right and having the guys compost it perfectly.

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    21. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      Interesting that they weren't artificially added in post-production, seems like something easy to add later on. Well, easier than coordinating a team of guys carrying around giant mirrors and powerful flashlights.

    22. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by commodore64_love · · Score: 0

      >>>a Run about would pass through the borg cube. jeeze read a book.

      Would I find this book about imaginary technology in my college library? ;-) Oh and by the way photon torpedoes are warp-driven vessels filled with antimatter - they don't pass through the ship when they impact, even though they are traveling at warp speed.

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    23. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Picard tried to use ramming speed with the Enterprise on at least one occasion that I remember, one would think they would have realized that would be a hell of a weapon,

      I remember captian kirk trying to ram everything he could with the ship....

      KIRK:"Scotty! There's a giant hole there, let's RAM The ship in it!"

      McCOY:"Dammit Jim you can to around screwing the entire universe!"

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    24. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it doesn't. You need the Ancient Gene to ACTIVATE a device. After that, anyone can control it.

    25. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      "they couldn't nuke the ori ships like that due to shields."

      I do not remember did they explain the Ori's shield technology enough, but at least it prevented the beaming nuke inside the ship. But they could do the same thing with 302's as Jack and Sam did for Anubis, they opened hyperwindow to pass the shield and shot then.

      It should be easy enough to make a enough big Nuke missile what has somekind remote control to warp short period trough shield and explode inside the shield. Even causing bigger explosion.

      And as far I remember, the difference with Star Trek and Stargate to the Star Wars, was that on SW you needed to calculate the route so you would not hit to the planet or star.

    26. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >>>First, why did the point of origin for the 9 symbol address have to be Earth's symbol? They weren't on Earth, and they weren't using the Earth gate.

      Precisely. Which is why it didn't work until they changed their point-of-origin to the new planet. Please pay closer attention to the fake, make-believe magic incantations. ;-)

      >>>if no one has been on the ship since it was launched, why are the CO2 scrubbers full of gunk?

      For the same reason why your car's engine oil would turn to with gunk if you left it sitting-around for 10,000 years.

      >>>if the air has been leaking out of the ship since it was damaged, where is the new air coming from?

      Good point. It's funny how all these problems just suddenly "happened" on precisely Day 3.6 Million of the ship's log, and humans just happened to be there.

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    27. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Magic5Ball · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In Startrek physics, Ek would be close to 0 at warp since space-time moves rather than the ship. However, causing a warp field to transect a vessel rather than form around it would likely cause the wholesale destruction you seek.

      Back to SG:U - The opening shots documented the ship turning parts of itself on to receive the people coming through the wormhole. Engineers who could design an intergalactic vessel would not design the CO2 scrubbers to be always on for tens of thousands of years (much less maintain atmospheric pressure), but to activate based on atmospheric composition or life-signs sensors. So, why don't the human engineers/scientists realize this and ask what else has been respiring on the ship? Also, why would such a vessel go into space without all internal hatches sealed?

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    28. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm. The only time in startrek that you can pass through stuff is when you have the special cloaking field from the one episode of Next Gen.

      Warp you still hit stuff: that's why they have a deflector dish.

    29. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      to hide bad CG? Shaking makes CG 10 times harder to track.

    30. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to read/update the series bible?

      In SG-1, it was shown on-screen that each stargate has a unique symbol on it for point of origin as the last symbol, with the first six symbols representing physical coordinates in the local galaxy. Atlantis established that a seventh symbol before the point of origin (and with enough energy) encoded information about connecting to coordinates in another galaxy.

      Anyone who watched the "Daniel Jackson teaches stargating" videos would have clued in that the angstrom symbol for Earth's Egypt gate shouldn't appear on any other gate in the galaxy, and also that the gate on the nuclear planet didn't have any symbols they had not seen before.

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    31. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      I liked the show... but they they still need some thinking writers. Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!

      'Cause he'll probably head-butt you and rip your heart out, is why!

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    32. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Damek · · Score: 1

      Stargate has plenty of problems but, there was a 10th season episode where they did send a Goa'uld mothership slamming into an Ori ship. It crashed all over the shields to no effect. Soo... cloaking a nuke to fly it into the middle of an Ori ship would have had the same effect: blowing up when it hit the shield and doing little if anything.

      Sorry, I couldn't help it! There are plenty of holes and bad writing in Stargate, but for what you brought up, it's been covered (to some extent).

    33. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As you know NOTHING about CG I'll leave it up to you to cite something that proves me wrong. until then, it is 10 times easier to deal with, when the footage is shaking all over the place. Camera tracks are so easy now that it's freaking automatic in AVID, the platform that all real stuff is edited under. I have been a CG editor for broadcast TV and Film industry for 10 years. You don't even have to track accurate with "shake cam" crap. you can be off by at least 5-10% and nobody will notice.

      Lumpy is right, we do it to save money. nobody cares about doing a wonderful job, they care about how cheap can we do it.

    34. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by natehoy · · Score: 1

      Maybe the 9th chevron deals with objects in hyperspace, and objects in hyperspace might need a clear point of origin to resolve.

      In which case, it does beg the question of "why Earth", other than geocentricity on the part of the writers. Possibly the ship originated from Earth?

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    35. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by PietjeJantje · · Score: 1

      Stargate always had problems thinking imaginatively.

      No shit, Sherlock. Stargate was a cheesy pulp sf movie. Fun, but all of the previously mentioned. As a b-film it was more successful than anticipated. Which is the only reason for the existence of the series: to milk to cow. Not because a writer had a story to tell. Hey, like the last 4 seasons of BG. I'd like sf fans to be more critical of the stuff they get being served today. It is all really bad, and it ain't gonna get better if the bad is endorsed by sf fans because they love and protect everything with sf tacked to it unconditionally.

    36. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by AshtangiMan · · Score: 1

      I wondered that too. Once the senator died, I think the door should have re-opened. Otherwise they could just have a bag of sand in the chair and an amputated finger dangling from the Keno.

    37. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by iPhr0stByt3 · · Score: 1

      There is mention that Ancient shielding technology wraps around the hull, acting like armor skin, rather than a bubble around the vessel.

    38. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      Similar lack of thought has plagued a lot of other shows.

      Maybe it's because Zerg Rushes don't make for very good plots.

      "Captain, we just destroyed the Borg by crashing a big vehicle into it. What now?"
      "Aw hell, I don't know..."

      Why not just watch the guy from Doom blowing apart demons as a TV show?

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    39. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Keno's" probably didn't have the Ancient gene (If they are still using the same technology as before).

    40. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by mR.bRiGhTsId3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is funny, because I thought the ships looked more impressive in this than in any of the previous series. I thought the Destiny traveling through hyperspace shots from the outside were particularly beautiful. Its like they took the best ideas from Star Trek (stars streaming by and bright colors) and Babylon 5 (mists in hyperspace) to make something that looked awesome.

    41. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by iPhr0stByt3 · · Score: 1

      Star Wars and Star Trek warp drive does NOT pass through matter in my understanding. In Star Trek, space is streched and "actual" movement is minimal, so "ramming" an object with a warp drive would effectively be a "slow" ram. In SG, the ships actually do exit "normal" space-time and travel through objects (shields, planets, whatever). At least... this is MY understanding.

    42. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

      The ancient gene isn't even brought up here, and remember all these people aren't supposed to be here so it's likely most of them wouldn't even have the gene. But any of them that try to operate the consoles seem to have no problem.

    43. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by ejtttje · · Score: 1

      When they had the ship with all the Asgard technology, they could have frozen time, reconfigured the ship so that it had a hole in it through which the beam weapon could pass and thus destroy both of the pursuing Ori vessels without issue.

      FWIW, if they could move large chunks of the ship around like that, they could probably just move the ship itself out of the way.

      Or alternatively, if that section of the ship was non-vital enough that a handful of people could "reconfigure" a hole through it for the beam to pass through, then it probably wouldn't matter so much if the beam just burned through itself.

      For Star Trek warp stuff, is it ever really explained how the ship interacts with normal space? It's always seemed to be in some kind of alternate dimension with the "warp bubble" retaining normal space around the ship. So they might just pass through normal matter without effect. Otherwise general debris would be a big problem for the ship navigation even in "empty" space. But still, I bet you'd get some fantastic fireworks if you come out of warp inside another ship's engine core... ;)

    44. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should be easy enough

      I know! And for that matter why are we talking about this? Why are we not exploring the space on our own right now? It should be easy enough!

    45. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by curmudgeous · · Score: 3, Informative

      They made a big deal out of the ship "waking up" during the opening credits. My guess is that things like life support were shut down until the ship detected someone trying to connect to the gate.

      My big complaint about the plot is that any race planning to send an automated ship on a multi-thousand year trip with no crew would surely have built some kind of automated repair system. Where are the little R2D2-equivalents that should be running around patching stuff? Maybe something similar to replicators, but carrying containers of goo that can be turned into spare parts as needed.

    46. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Nasser · · Score: 1

      they need more cowbells.

    47. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      In Startrek physics, Ek would be close to 0 at warp since space-time moves rather than the ship. However, causing a warp field to transect a vessel rather than form around it would likely cause the wholesale destruction you seek.

      Back to SG:U - The opening shots documented the ship turning parts of itself on to receive the people coming through the wormhole. Engineers who could design an intergalactic vessel would not design the CO2 scrubbers to be always on for tens of thousands of years (much less maintain atmospheric pressure), but to activate based on atmospheric composition or life-signs sensors. So, why don't the human engineers/scientists realize this and ask what else has been respiring on the ship? Also, why would such a vessel go into space without all internal hatches sealed?

      Trek: I'm sure the borg would have something to say about you taking half their ship to warp 3.

      SGU: I expect to see the question asked and possibly answered sometime this season. Meanwhile, the unsealed hatches have so far been a result of damage. The ancients build a ship that can run on autopilot for 10,000 years - you think they'd forget to close the door?

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    48. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by jasenj1 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. There were holes in the plot big enough to drive a truck through. Of course, there are always ways to fill in those holes. Like perhaps the refugees are wrong about the ship. Maybe it had people on board (thus atmosphere) but everyone left (abandoned ship in the battle the ship has apparently been in), and the ship just kept going. That event could have been hundreds or thousands of years ago and the ship might not have crashed into a star - yet.

      I'm waiting for the episode where they reveal the camera balls are really "drones", i.e. super-powerful explosive weapons. As with Atlantis, they pulled the old "the ship is ginormous" so they can conveniently find anything they need later on.

      The first few episodes should focus on getting a sustainable living environment going - air, water, food, sanitation.

      I'm not excited about the whole passive-aggressive, dysfunctional group dynamic. But with such a small pool to pull from, they have to generate conflict somewhere.

      As others have said, I'll watch it because there's not much other Sci-Fi around. It'd be nice to see them take a bit of a "hard" sci-fi angle, but I won't hold my breath.

      - Jasen.

    49. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

      I find it annoying that they haven't come up with the idea of keeping Stargates on their battlecruisers yet. It would make it possible to evacuate the ship easily in case they were cornered. Disabled and ordered to surrender by the Lucian Alliance like in that one episode? OK, agree and then activate the self destruct and flee through the gate. Problem solved!

      The Goauld did it waaay back in the season finale of season 1, after all. The wraith did it in the Atlantis series finale. Somewhere in last SG-1 Season 10 Baal started collecting a sizable quantity of gates on his ship, and SG-1 used one to escape. Actually, many of those gates were reclaimed by the Odyssey so we know they could carry a gate around if they wanted to.

      Eli asks why they couldn't use the gate to travel to Icarus base. Because the writers didn't think of putting a gate in orbit to allow for incoming wormholes without risk of destabilizing the planet core (I think that was the excuse)! Actually based on how Scott explained it, they could have just used a separate, unmodified gate in the base for travel and one dedicated to the ninth chevron experiments.

      Oh yeah one more thing... WHY did they have anti-beaming tech on Icarus base? Which of their enemies have Asgard beaming tech now? We have the Lucian Alliance as the only real enemy left... and they don't have it. So all it does is keep the Hammond from pulling everyone out of there, so they can go to see Destiny.

      Don't get me wrong though, I did enjoy the two hours of "Air", despite some of the excuses they used to set up the show (and in this case, to show off the USS George Hammond) being a bit thin.

    50. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking the same thing, and not just at that point. The entire sequence of events that lead to the Lost In Space scenario*1 was just too sketchy, however as I reply to this it occurred to me that maybe you need an ancient injection to operate it. The mental leap and lack of previous suggestion of such a thing is a bit Plot-hole-tastic though.
      It'd kind of nullify the point of gene-locked system if all you had to do is poke it with a pen instead of touching it; so the explanation is there, but why didn't they use it?

      I do hope they don't market the whole thing based on the assumption we've all seen every freaking previous episode of it's predecessors. You know what I got forced to watch instead when Stargate was on sky? Big Brother. No seriously. Women! Can't watch tv with them, can't do anything other than watch tv without them. Unless...you like your own gender. Then I guess your biggest problem is who goes and grabs the drinks.

      It was kind of painful to watch Robert Carlyle, an awesome actor, be dumped into this thing with no real support actors*2, sub standard camera play, and editing. I'm sure the 'open with people tumbling into each other' looked great on paper. For a book. But if attention grabbing was the aim then they should have started with the planet exploding, or maybe with the attack for tv.

      Totally not convinced, but I'm not an expert. Just a guy, who watches tv when he can, and likes what he likes.*3

      *1 Voyager? Pfft. Kids today. They were beaten to the punch a generation ago. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP-s3OqCGhA )
      *2 Pre-jailed black marine has more character than the new O'neal/Sheperd
      *3 and also cba making an account.

    51. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by JSBiff · · Score: 1

      I think part of this is that they are trying to create engaging stories, not solve every problem with a clever technical solution. I've been watching Stargate SG-1 on Hulu lately (I wasn't watching much TV during the early years of SG1, and have a hard time getting into a show that's already 3-4 Seasons into it's story, so I'm catching up now).

      One thing I've noticed about SG1 is they have a lot of episodes where they do something once, and then they never do it again, or even think to, even though it might be appropriate. Now, plausibly, some of that could be attributed to the Go'auld and Jaffa (I have no idea if I spelled those correctly) learning from previously used tactics, and not falling for the same thing twice, but still. There was one episode where they used missles launched from a UAV, and we basically never see those again (there's one other episode where it sort of comes into play - one of the missle bearing UAV's gets shot down, and Carter MacGuyver's the thing to fire manually.

      But, I can respect that somewhat from a story-writing standpoint, because if there were a simple, easy answer for everything, the show would get pretty boring pretty fast, no?

      As for your argument about using warp to crash into another ship with a runabout - what does kinetic energy have to do with Warp? We know that Warp violates both Relativity/Newtonian physics, which is where we get the concept of kinetic energy from. For all we know, inside of the sub-space warp bubble, the thing is only travelling a few hundred or thousand kilometers per hour. That is to say, we have no reason to believe you have *more* kinetic energy when warping, than you would with good old-fashion sub-light impulse engines.

      I mean, if you are going to play "why didn't they" with Star Trek, one has to wonder why they bother firing photon torpedoes after an enemy's shields have been disabled. I mean, once they are disabled, you can use transporters, right? Just transport a photon torpedo into whatever part of the ship you want to attack, instead of 'firing' it at the ship, right? Why not use transporters as weapons, systematically? But, some answers, maybe, are just 'too easy' for good plot?

    52. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by mR.bRiGhTsId3 · · Score: 1

      We already know the Ancients suffered from hubris since they failed against the Wraith only because they let the Wraith capture a bunch of their ZPMs. I think Todd described it in detail at some point. They probably assumed that since they can make a CO2 scrubber that works for 100,000 years, it would be no big deal. Instead, they never visited the ship, so they never replaced the scrubbers. The same thing with Ancient cities. Dr. Weir from alternate timeline had to manually cycle the ZPMs. The most advanced race in the Universe can't figure out how to enable basic power saving?
      I think the problem is the Ancients knew how badass they were so they never bothered to think of the simple things to extend the lifetime of their creations since everything they built lasted so long anyway. Regardless, the Ancients have a track record of showing a remarkable lack of foresight when dealing with simple things.

    53. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by colonslashslash · · Score: 1

      Remember that, according to SG canon, the Ancients inhabited Earth for a long period of time (and perhaps even originated here?), it's entirely possible that Destiny was launched from Earth before Atlantis migrated to the Pegasus galaxy. Icarus base / the Ancient database containing the reference to Earth as the point of origin could have been created during this time.

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    54. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah. Shooter McGavin was a jerk on the golf course. Good riddance.
      Also, the only thing more expendable than a politician is... hold, it... Senator pieces are more rare, so that makes House Members definitely more expendable.

      Full disclosure: Still haven't scraped together the time to watch the premiere.

    55. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by SlayerofGods · · Score: 1

      Well assuming theyâ(TM)re sticking with the same rules from Atlantis you normally have to have the ATA gene to run the ancients stuff.... Would have been nice if they had actually said that since Iâ(TM)m pretty sure every fan thought the same damn thing about the probe, but that was the most reasonable explanation I came up with.

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    56. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by bumby · · Score: 1

      So, just cut someones finger off, tape it to one of the "keno":s and off you go! :)

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    57. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by natehoy · · Score: 1

      My first thought the instant they introduced the issue - hey, Fat Gamer Boy found a bubblegum dispenser full of these little "point of view" cameras - have one of them bump against the CLOSE button - may even be time to fly the little gizmo out, but best to leave it there in case they ever come up with a way to repair the windshield on the shuttle, that way they can open the hatch back up...

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    58. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Oh and by the way photon torpedoes are warp-driven vessels filled with antimatter - they don't pass through the ship when they impact, even though they are traveling at warp speed.

      That's because they recombobulate the warp field phase dynamic tensors.

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    59. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

        uh Big ball. Small buttons. You should think first.

    60. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by mweather · · Score: 1

      Would I find this book about imaginary technology in my college library?

      Yes, actually. "The Physics of Star Trek" by Lawrence M. Krauss.

    61. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by natehoy · · Score: 1

      >>>The only way the 9 symbol address makes sense is if it is some kind of special code instead of a gate address. After all, the ship is moving around all the time, so normally it's gate address would also be changing all the time too.

      As to this bit, I think gates are all addressed absolutely. So you can take a specific ring to a new place, install it, and it'll still have the same Gate address. Its gate address wouldn't change just because you moved it.

      Otherwise, all the gates would be useless given orbits, Galactic movement and expansion, etc...

      I suspect the 9th chevron is like a Country code, indicating that the Gate may be found in hyperspace (just like the 8th chevron was for something in another galaxy)?

      Stargate IPV6? :)

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    62. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Why not just watch the guy from Doom blowing apart demons as a TV show?

      If you can cast Summer Glau as the Doom guy I reckon you'd get that idea green lit.

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    63. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by X3J11 · · Score: 1

      Star Wars and Star Trek warp drive does NOT pass through matter in my understanding. In Star Trek, space is streched and "actual" movement is minimal, so "ramming" an object with a warp drive would effectively be a "slow" ram. In SG, the ships actually do exit "normal" space-time and travel through objects (shields, planets, whatever). At least... this is MY understanding.

      Star Wars didn't feature warp drive, rather hyperdrives. Hyperspace in SW is a bit like subspace in ST, where objects (effectively) move faster than light. Large bodies in realspace extend into hyperspace (something to do with their gravity), so flying through a star in hyperspace is just as fatal as it would be in real space.

      In Star Trek, the warp drive creates a bubble around the ship that compresses space in front of the ship, and expands it back out behind. The warp bubble around the ship keeps the vessel in normal space. Ramming a vessel while at warp would instead be a "fast" ram, as the distance between points A and B while at warp speeds is reduced due to the compression. (Warp Drive).

      Neither warp drives or hyperdrives provide any sort of protection against flying into large objects. In the former case, the ship is still passing through space with all its bits and bobs floating around, while in the latter the gravity of planets and stars is projected into hyperspace.

      Star-Gate hyper drives seem to operate similar to those in Star Wars, but are much more powerful as they can also cross the space between galaxies. I'm not certain if their behaviour is identical to those in SW with regards to gravity, though.

    64. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      as for reconfiguring a ship in space of that size with only 6 people ya right ok if you say so. the point of the storyline was to develop the characters specifically Daniel and Vala.

      And then they hit the reset button to bring them all back (except Teal'c) to their normal age. Cheesy, if you ask me...

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    65. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ancient technology requires a gene, so just pressing a button with a metallic object wouldn't work.

    66. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by KC7JHO · · Score: 1

      Because the politician HAD TO DIE! Seriously, That guy needed it... some one would have shot him in the next episode anyway!

    67. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ship must have started it's mission from Ori Galaxy before Alterans aka Ancients left. It was from Earth, it would have a hyperdrive. Or it does have a hyperdrive but it's broken and the ship is doing what Ancients did to try to reach earth from Pegasus galaxy.

      There is so many plot holes in the first episode, one can be rich if it was worth money.

    68. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Chaos+Incarnate · · Score: 1

      I mean, if you are going to play "why didn't they" with Star Trek, one has to wonder why they bother firing photon torpedoes after an enemy's shields have been disabled. I mean, once they are disabled, you can use transporters, right? Just transport a photon torpedo into whatever part of the ship you want to attack, instead of 'firing' it at the ship, right? Why not use transporters as weapons, systematically? But, some answers, maybe, are just 'too easy' for good plot?

      Transporters (unlike photon torpedoes) would require the Enterprise to lower its own shields, rendering it vulnerable to being attacked during those few seconds.

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    69. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!

      FYI, the captions spelled it "Kino", which jives with the explained derivation.

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    70. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by jpmorgan · · Score: 1

      You're thinking yourself in circles. Most ancient technology is durable. Having a ship full of ancient repair robots would be weird since I don't think we've ever seen anything similar. The problems presented in the show are that: 1. certain consumables are well past their design life (CO2 scrubbers). 2. The ship has taken battle damage. 3. It's running low on power. And if you watched the end of the show, you'd see that the plot point is the ship didn't need automated robots to replace CO2 scrubbers because it wasn't supposed to have been left unmanned long enough for that to be a problem. Yes, it's a setup for episodic adventures, but it also makes internal sense.

      SG isn't perfect, but one thing I'll say is that the writers have always made a lot more effort to maintain internal consistency than most other sci-fi shows do.

    71. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Here's my understanding of Stargate history. It's convoluted and filled with holes, but here it is:

      - The Ancients originated on earth as the first homo sapiens. They were highly advanced.

      - A large chunk of them moved to the Pegasus galaxy, which is why the gates look "newer" than the Milky Way gates.

      - The blood-sucking bug bit some humans, evolved into a bug-human hybrid called the Wraith, and forced the Ancients to leave Pegasus and come back home.

      - The Ancients launched the exploratory vessel from Earth, perhaps looking for new galaxies to conquer.

      - The Ancients ascended.

      - Some stayed behind but a catastrophe forced them to "forget" their knowledge and devolve into us. Then the Go'auld arrived at some point and became the new masters in Egypt. We kicked them out, buried the gates, and without the Ga'ould controlling our population, we rapidly grew from 0.2 to 6 billion.

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    72. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      I find it annoying that they haven't come up with the idea of keeping Stargates on their battlecruisers yet. It would make it possible to evacuate the ship easily in case they were cornered.

      Strange, the 'canon' is, once you move a gate, you need to recalibrate it. You can't connect a wormhole to a gate in hyperspace, per Season 1 SG1 Ep 21 Within The Serpent's Grasp. Remember, Hammond tried to redial that address and it wouldn't connect because the mothership carrying the gate was moving.

      How they managed to make the 9th Chevron work using the Earth symbol 21 lightyears from Earth is beyond me. Serious plothole. Didn't somebody read the Stargate bibles???

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    73. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Stargate always had problems thinking imaginatively. For example, once they developed the cloaking device, I would have used it as a proxy teleporter to make nukes appear in the center of Ori ships.

      These are problems of inconsistency and unconsidered ramifications, rather than problems of imagination. I do think SG* (especially SG:A) had imagination problems, but the earliest SG-1 seasons were actually quite thoughtful and imaginative, in how they explored different human cultures and their possible origins/progressions, etc. Where they did have "imagination" problems, I think they were really problems realising their imaginations, given the budgets available. All in all, SG-1 did a great job.

    74. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by artemis67 · · Score: 1

      Well, they sacrificed the politician, so no harm done, any.

      I'm sure those Keno's ain't cheap.

    75. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      They had less than an hour before the air ran out. They were short of oxygen.

      Maybe they just failed to think of using the magic ball?

    76. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by cthulu_mt · · Score: 1

      And your anecdotal evidence is somehow better than his?

      How about this? I know someone that knows Olivia Munn. That makes me a better human being than you.

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    77. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>>>First, why did the point of origin for the 9 symbol address have to be Earth's symbol? They weren't on Earth, and they weren't using the Earth gate.

      Precisely. Which is why it didn't work until they changed their point-of-origin to the new planet. Please pay closer attention to the fake, make-believe magic incantations. ;-)

      Actually, IIRC, Earth was the final *home* for the Ancients before they Ascended and some fled back to the Pegasus Galaxy.

      As soon as Eli (or Rush?) realized that they had to use Earth as the point of origin chevron instead of the Icarus Base planet, my wife and I both had an "Ahhhhhh!" moment for the neat continuity easter egg there.

    78. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Stargate and Star Trek both talk about plotting courses to destinations; one would assume that they're doing this to avoid obstacles.

      Remember, just because they don't talk about it doesn't mean it isn't happening ;)

    79. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      I was wondering why they couldn't just stick a piece of plywood in front of the door and figure it all out later.

    80. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Scyber · · Score: 1

      I thought in Atlantis they developed a shot that allowed people w/o the gene to operate Ancient technology. If so, it is probably standard for all SGC personnel to get the shot. Of course, I doubt the senator would have been included in that group, so that theory is pretty much gone. It is also possible that the consoles could only be operated by living beings. They don't require the ancient gene, but the require an actual being to operate. I was more confused as to why such a large ship was needed if it was to be unmanned? Or why a ship of this size wasn't mentioned in the Atlantis database already.

    81. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      The ancients build a ship that can run on autopilot for 10,000 years - you think they'd forget to close the door?

      I got the impression that it had been a lot longer than 10,000 years. Do I need to rewatch the episode?

    82. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by ardor · · Score: 1

      At least Stargate remained more or less consistent with what they discovered in earlier episodes. Found nice alien device X? Expect X to appear sometime later. Perfect example: the Naquadah generator. In Star Trek, on the other hand, things just vanish. They had a kickass cloaking device that allows the ship to travel through matter, like a ghost. Disappeared. They got experimental Slipstream drives and Coaxial warp drive stuff from Voyager. Disappeared. Etc.

      Unfortunately, Stargate got cheesier in the latter seasons, and didn't make much sense by the end. On one hand, I like it that Earth actually got to deploy shiny new tech and ships, and didn't get stuck with current technology forever (sci-fi shows often seem to go this route). On the other hand, things got seriously out of control, and now Earth is the most powerful civilization in at least two galaxies.

      What I would have liked as a spin-off is Stargate in the near future. Say, the Stargate has been revealed only a month ago, and there are riots and panic all over the planet. The Wraith finally make a bold move and start invading the Milky Way galaxy (perhaps let them find a few ZPMs). Maybe throw in remnants of the Ori fleet, who degenerated to a (huge) bunch of raiders pillaging and terrorizing whole worlds. Show how the population on Earth deals with this situation, produced in a Space Above & Beyond style.

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    83. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      In SG, the ships actually do exit "normal" space-time and travel through objects (shields, planets, whatever). At least... this is MY understanding.

      Come to think of it, they used that property to keep some asteroid or other from hitting Earth.

    84. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Detaching one of the warp nacelles just as it transitions to warp, launching it at an enemy vessel at supralight speeds, is called the "Hiller Maneuver", after D.T. Hiller.

    85. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      Otherwise general debris would be a big problem for the ship navigation even in "empty" space.

      Isn't that what the deflector shield is for - to keep space debris from damaging the ship while at warp?

      But still, I bet you'd get some fantastic fireworks if you come out of warp inside another ship's engine core... ;)

      As I recall, there was an episode of Star Trek: TNG where a Federation ship with an experimental cloaking device got itself stuck in an asteroid by decloaking inside the asteroid. I guess it's a good thing the antimatter in the warp core decloaked in a hollow space in the asteroid...

    86. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In order to operate the "Ancient" devices, the DNA marker for the "Ancient" gene must be present. Also, they probably needed some drama to add to the situation.

    87. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by knight24k · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh and by the way photon torpedoes are warp-driven vessels filled with antimatter - they don't pass through the ship when they impact, even though they are traveling at warp speed.

      Incorrect. They are warp-capable not warp driven.

      "The propulsion system of the torpedoes is a warp sustainer engine. The engine coils of the torpedo grab and hold a hand-off field from the launcher tube's sequential field induction coils. A miniature matter/antimatter fuel cell adds power to the hand-off field. When launched in warp flight, torpedo will continue to travel at warp, when launched at sublight, torpedo will travel at a high sublight speed, but will not cross the warp threshold."

      http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Photon_torpedo

      So, when fighting in sub-space the torpedo will remain in sub-space and hit its target. When fighting in normal space it will remain in normal space and hit its target. It will not cross the threshold either way which would make it unable to hit its target.

      Sigh, I am such a geek.

    88. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by hot+soldering+iron · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I first thought that, too. But even if there was some stupid, unspoken reason why it couldn't be used, some sticks, tape, and string would have done the same thing. I'm not holding out for too much f*cking intelligence or cleverness from this season. The premier may be the only episode I bother to watch.

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    89. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      I dunno - it was a while, and 10k years is sufficiently longer than we've been able to make something last to be really impressive. I'm waiting for the good doctor to get himself killed through some stupid callous remark - he just can't talk to people.

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    90. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      I thought the idea was that there has to be some lifeform in the shuttle before it would allow you to close the door. The idea being that the lifeboat shuttles are never locked hence the comment about a safety switch.

      Of course, that theory got tested when the senator died and stopped being a lifeform. Or at least a living one.

    91. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I liked the show... but they they still need some thinking writers. Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!

      They needed to kill off that annoying Senator Armstrong....and quickly before he channeled the spirit of Fred Sanford Ad nauseum.

    92. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      That struck me too. Adding realistic lens flares has been possible with consumer-grade editing packages for, what, a decade? And yet a multi-million-dollar movie is doing them the old fashioned way?

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    93. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      JustinOpinion is simply noting that if some Ancient equipment can check the user for a particular gene, more should be able to make sure that the user isn't a flying piece of shrapnel.

    94. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      There are several inconsistencies with transporters that they never really address. One is replicators vs transporters. If they can make transporters duplicate matter flawlessly, why do replicators have flaws? Are they simply cheaper, less accurate transporters? We know replicators can be modified to act as small transporters (it happens in Deep Space Nine, anyway). If transporters work the way they say they do, how could a person "interact" with something in the "matter stream" (as in TNG)? If it is, in fact, simply a method of transmitting matter, how could the transporter be used to change child-Picard into adult-Picard? How could they result in duplicate-Riker, if they're simply a matter-stream? Wouldn't losing part of a matter-stream result in Riker's death, rather than in two copies? Doesn't the computer have to direct the rematerialization process, so the duplicate Riker should not have materialized?

      But yes, I agree that the transporters were an underutilized resource.

      Unrelated: is there anything that explains the internal economy of the Federation? I only ask because in the episode I just watched, Jake Sisko refers to his father using "transporter credits"... Also, how does that internal economy interface with external economies? Quark accepts latinum for food at his bar, but while Star Fleet officers often eat there, you never see them hand Quark any payment at all... in fact, the only time I can recall seeing any Star Fleet officer with latinum is when Dax beats the Pharengi at that market-like gambling game they play after-hours. (Memory-alpha.org says little more than I've said here.)

    95. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So pull a Sheridan -- plant a couple of nukes onto an asteroid and gently push it so it drifts to where you expect the Ori to drop out of hyperspace. When the Ori ships have arrived, scanned for enemy ships, and dropped their shields (to save power) since they didn't detect any enemies, detonate.

    96. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that wouldn't work?

      The hatch only closes from the inside, so it only closes if there is someone inside. Otherwise it would shut people off of the shuttle.

      Why it doesn't have a button on the outside is anyone's guess.

    97. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I find it annoying that they haven't come up with the idea of keeping Stargates on their battlecruisers yet.

      Every time you move a gate, you need to recalibrate it. The symbols, in the film and first episodes, were meant to refer to stars or constellations to give the gate address. This would make sense if the wormhole targeting system was not very precise; you just aim it at a star and have the receiving end do the fine tuning, so they may not work at all away from a star. Remember also that you can't have two working gates on the same planet (it's not clear in Atlantis whether any of the space gates are around planets with gates on the ground, but I don't think they are) and you probably can't have two gates in the same solar system. With the coarseness of their dialling, you probably can't have more than one gate in a star system. Of course, this only applies to incoming wormholes, not outgoing ones, so you probably could have a dial-out-only gate, unless it needed a large gravitational field nearby to stabilise the end of the wormhole. In that case, the gate would only be useful when you were near a star which didn't have a gate; a rather unusual occurrence.

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    98. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1

      Maybe there were other ships similar to Destiny launched from other Ancient-inhabited planets and the 9th chevron indicates to which of those long-term exploration ships you wish to travel (with the symbol they tried first corresponding to a ship that had been destroyed or a planet that had not launched such a ship)? Alternately, the image of Destiny's route seemed to show all the legs going in more or less the same general direction -- maybe the Earth symbol in this context meant "the ship traveling that way/to that location"?

    99. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      As to this bit, I think gates are all addressed absolutely. So you can take a specific ring to a new place, install it, and it'll still have the same Gate address. Its gate address wouldn't change just because you moved it.

      Otherwise, all the gates would be useless given orbits, Galactic movement and expansion, etc...

      The gates in the network communicate with each other to address such issues. Since SGC's gate had been off the network and had no DHD, they could initially only reach Abydos using its canonical address due to it being close to Earth (retconning its extragalactic location of the movie), and Ernest's planet. The computers at SGC compensate for the lack of a DHD and has since accounted for such drift the way the gates with DHDs would do normally.

      Difficulties with calibrating the SGC's system was the cause of people initially coming through cold or with excessive velocity on the other side, though the latter sometimes was caused by overriding the gate's safety protocols.

      Also, note that at times when the ship's gate is active, the ship is not traveling FTL (specifically stated not to be hyperspace). Normal operation still prohibits travel to moving gates.

      This is also not the first time a gate has been active on a ship. Apophis' invasion force had a ship with a gate on it. SG-1 dialed in just before it left for Earth. They escaped by dialing out to the alpha site as if the gate was Earth's gate when the ship was in orbit around Earth. (Thus Earth has had three gates: Giza, Antarctica, and the gate brought by Apophis.)

      There's also the gate Samantha Carter used to blow up a star, but only stellar material traveled through it.

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    100. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by ejtttje · · Score: 1

      Isn't that what the deflector shield is for - to keep space debris from damaging the ship while at warp?

      Ah I see my understanding of trek physics has been incomplete, I thought this was for sub-light operation, but reading up now you are right :)

      I saw a few suggestions though that warp works by reducing the apparent mass/inertia of stuff in the warp bubble, so the interaction might be one way: stuff in the bubble can be harmed by interaction with normal matter, but the normal matter doesn't notice the interaction with inertia-less warped matter? *shrug*

    101. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's got nothing to do with imagination and everything to do with keeping interesting storylines. Once you open an idea like that up, it becomes a magic bullet. Romulans giving you a hard time? Power up a shuttle - collision course. That'll teach them. Klingons harassing you? Open that shuttle bay and fire off a couple runabouts. That'll shut them up. Thorian's drawing a web around your ship? Open... well, you get the idea.

    102. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1

      In one of the first episodes, didn't Carter or Jackson realize that the gate addresses needed to be adjusted to take into consideration galactic movement, etc? Checking, I see this Wikipedia article confirming that Carter needed to program the computers to account for stellar drift.

    103. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It had so much vignetting it looked like they were using a pinhole camera made of cardboard or something.

    104. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by KahabutDieDrake · · Score: 1

      Not to be pedantic, but they weren't in "hyperspace". The Destiny travels faster than light without hyperspace (unknown how yet). Rush made a comment about it early on.

      Which goes a little ways to explain why it looks so damn cool.

    105. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by JSBiff · · Score: 1

      I thought Star Trek shields had a concept of "modulation", which is how they are able to shoot phasers out through the shield - and that if an enemy knows your modulation sequence, they can penetrate the shield with their own energy weapons by matching the sequence? Shouldn't you be able to send your own transporter beam out through your own shield because you know your own shield modulation? I guess, perhaps, that works with phasers but not transporter beams, being two slightly different things.

    106. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Kino" - as in the Russian word for cinema, just like was stated in the show. "Keno" is something different entirely, being a gambling game or diversion.

    107. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A runabout crashing into a borg cube at warp seven would do quite a bit more damage than a photon torpedo, I would imagine. I guess kinetic energy just isn't "futuristic" enough

      There's at least a plausible defense here in that warp drives might not generate much in the way of kinetic energy. It seems like maybe if you could warp space-time you could make weird pockets of gravity or whatever to tear a ship apart, but then maybe it'd be hard to project a warp field very far, and another ship with warp engines might be able to counter the effect easily....

      Um.... erm.... I mean.... god, did I really just write that? Sorry.

    108. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      warp works by reducing the apparent mass/inertia of stuff in the warp bubble

      This is exactly how they moved DS9 from Bajor's orbit to the wormhole using only the station's positioning thrusters... they used some generator or other to create some sort of field similar to a warp field that lowered the inertia of the station. (That's just the most recent episode I've watched where they talk about that sort of thing.)

      I won't claim to have even an above-average understanding of Star Trek physics, though, so I won't even hazard a guess at whether the in-bubble matter's interaction with "normal" matter is one-way or two-way...

    109. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      What I would have liked as a spin-off is Stargate in the near future.

      I suggested this a couple of years ago, around the end of SG:A season 1. My idea was that some information about the gate had leaked and the governments had decided to announce it before the leaks went public. Limited private use of the gate (and off-world technology) would be allowed and the SGC's mission would become more of a police force, making sure that human exploitation of the galaxy remains legal. Rather than keep introducing 'big bad alien of the season that we kill off for the next season' you'd have human (with alien allies) against human (with other alien allies) on a galactic backdrop. You'd develop several sets of characters. Some would be working for the SGC, some would be working for private enterprises looking to acquire alien technology for competitive advantage (not exactly evil, just with slight flexible ethics), with similar objectives but very different strategies. Somewhat like The Trust, but less comic-book villain.

      You'd also have the social impact back on Earth. Most humans still wouldn't be able to travel off-world, just as most never flew in Concord. Some changes would be dramatic. With the secrecy off, the US government would be able to license the technology for Naquadah generators to private companies. Large nuclear power plants would be replaced by boxes small enough to carry, one per city, and the US dependence on foreign oil evaporates overnight as does all middle eastern influence on world politics. Suddenly oil-rich countries are irrelevant third-world nations.

      Meanwhile, you've got infighting among the Jaffa, rich humans setting themselves up as emperors using Gua'uld technology, an understaffed SGC trying to mediate, corporate interests pressuring the governments for unlimited access to the stargate, and various nations citing strategic arms limitation treaties demanding that the gate and the spacecraft operated by the US military be turned over to UN control.

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    110. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by IronChef · · Score: 1

      I think that they said that wouldn't work. They braced the door open so someone could push the button and leave, but as soon as they left the compartment the ship opened the door again. It needed to detect a living thing inside the shuttle.

      The Ancient engineers blew it, the writers were just accomplices. :)

      Weakest plot point of the whole premiere, IMHO.

    111. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by KahabutDieDrake · · Score: 1

      The ATA therapy only works for 1 out of 10 people (per atlantis episodes).

      Going a bit off cannon, but it's not hard to imagine that this ship didn't have the ATA requirement because the ATA gene requirement was developed for Pegasus galaxy ancients due to the wraith, which were created by the ancients, most likely an eon after this ship was launched from the milky way. At least, that's how I rationalized it.

    112. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand we know from previous shows that Ancient technology seems to check "who" is pressing buttons. Many pieces of tech require the "Ancient gene" specifically, but it's not too far-fetched to suggest that various controls have to be pressed by an actual person (to prevent, for instance, random pieces of debris pressing important buttons).

      So somebody has to lose a thumb to tie to one of flying cameras... beats dieing.

      I was more annoyed with all the story establishment through smash cut flashbacks. In LOST it was a story element and interesting (if a bit confusing), in SGU it's just annoying backstory filler.

    113. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by curmudgeous · · Score: 1

      Nope, I'm not thinking myself in circles, just pointing out a plot device that I see as a plot hole. It's obviously not the first Ancient ship to travel through that part of space because it connected to a local stargate at the end of the pilot. It was even commented on that ships had been sent ahead to scout good planets and manufacture/place said stargates. Maybe they're trying to imply that the Ancients were so arrogant as to assume their stuff never breaks (possible), but I think it was just a case of Hollywood writers reaching into a bag to pull out ideas that they haven't thought through properly. Kind of like the "...one shot stuns, two shots kill and three shots disintegrate..." bit with the zat guns. They even made fun of themselves over that one in a later episode.

      "...Having a ship full of ancient repair robots would be weird since I don't think we've ever seen anything similar..."

      By your reasoning there should have been no Kenos either because something that useful should have been all over Atlantis. :D

      I found the pilot interesting and will definitely give the show a chance, but I saw too little Stargate and far too much BSG in it for my liking.

    114. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by jnaujok · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So, in other words, the Ancients were a lot like us.

      Consider this. We could build cars, boats, airplanes, etc, with 100+ year lifespans. They'd need a lot of redundant systems, over-engineering, and be massively expensive and power-hungry.

      Or, we can assume that we'll still be around in a 100 years, and still able to build newer, and better system with the technology we've discovered in 100 years.

      This is actually a recent phenomena, roughly coincident with the Industrial Revolution. Before that, things were built to last, because people didn't want to go through the massive effort of redoing it every few years. Buildings were big, massive things (think castles, pyramids, cathedrals) and made to last centuries. No expense was spared, because you had hundreds of years of living in it before you'd need to worry about doing it again.

      Today, even our most advanced structures (skyscrapers, stadiums, bridges) come with lifetimes. We build *exactly* as strong as it needs to be. We build with materials that are exactly as sturdy and long-lived as they need to be, but no longer. What's the point of putting titanium/molybdenum panels that will not corrode in a 100,000 years, on a building that, if it's lucky, will be torn down in 50 years to make room for the newest skyscraper?

      To me, it's amazing, given that propensity, that Las Vegas isn't made from paper mache and spit-wads. There's barely a building there over 20 years old now.

      With the ancients, you have a race that can, more or less, build anything, with technology that lets them warp space and time to their liking, and you think they're going to waste time engineering a vessel to last 100 millenium? I'd imagine it was a standard, galaxy-limited ship that they built for seeding the Milky Way with stargates, which they then modified for inter-galactic travel, along with a system whereby they could go visit if it ever found anything "really cool". They sent it towards Andromeda to seed that galaxy with gates, and then on to Pegasus, etc, etc. I imagine they retro-engineered and patched the ship up so it could survive quite a long trip, but then they ascended, so there was no need to go check on it any more. Which means that, according to Dr. Rush, the ship is 100,000 years old, and hasn't been maintained in at least 10,000 years.

      The only thing on Earth that humans made even close to that age is the great pyramids, and look at how damaged they are.

      Overall, I think the ancients did a darn good job given the circumstances.

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    115. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by jabelli · · Score: 1

      No, it was explained. It's more like a combination (as in lock) rather than an address.

    116. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Quarters · · Score: 1

      That's easy to explain away. The control panel in the shuttle has an Apple-esque multitouch screen. It wouldn't register input from a keno bumping in to it.

    117. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by KahabutDieDrake · · Score: 1

      Actually, little ancient repair bots would have been a really good tie back to the replicators. Since the ancients created the replicators in the first place. (well, the Pegasus ones anyway). However, given the apparent timelines, the repair drones would have to be a precursor technology to the replicators. Which could easily be made to work. "Hey, I found a bunch of little robots patching hull plates over here, see if you can get them to fix the air systems"

    118. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by KahabutDieDrake · · Score: 1

      The timeline is probably off, but who knows?

      As for humans vs Ancients... Humans are the "second evolution" of the ancients. Nothing made them forget, they simply all died/ascended. However, they did seed many many worlds, and humans on earth are the most advanced of these seeded races (ostensibly).

    119. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by daveywest · · Score: 1

      The 9th symbol was still the origin point: Earth -- just in a less specific way. With this jump, they are moving between galaxies, not planets. Its like saying you live in New York. Is that a city or a state?

    120. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by KahabutDieDrake · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. The DHDs automatically calculate drift and orbit as a matter of course. Normally, if you move a gate from one world to another, it gets a whole new address based on the constellations of it's new home. This is why the earth gate didn't work except between adabadoss and earth (very close together), until they discovered the list of addresses, and Carter figured out that stellar drift would change the addresses over time.

      Stargate addresses (until SGU) are based on the position, and nothing else. The 7 symbols are 6 coordinates and a point of origin. Ostensibly based on the constellations visible from the planet you start from. Interestingly, this implies that every planet has different gate symbols on it's gate, but they ignore that except in the first episodes because it's too complicated to deal with. In the first couple episodes, they make a point of having Jackson "figure out" how to dial home. Later they just have a single address that always means earth.

    121. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Inakizombie · · Score: 1

      Okay putting my Stargate nerd hat on here.. Most of the Ancient tech works on the presence of a person. It'd need to be an actual hand pushing the button (which was more like a touchscreen than a physical switch).

    122. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the same thing. Picture Eli painting one of the Keno's with "1812" on the side, while whistling the overture...

    123. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by ReverendLoki · · Score: 1

      I acknowledge your politicians are expendable, Senators slightly less so, and I counter it with the argument that Natalie Portman is hot. This argument has been shown to be valid despite the precedent that the prequels suck.

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    124. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't recall the exact deal, but it was supposed to fly out for a few thousand (hundred thousand?) years and then the crew would gate onto the ship. Problem is...the ancients ascended before that happened and the ship kept flying. It was never meant to fly uncrewed nearly as long as it did.

    125. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Sephollyon · · Score: 1

      I thought the same thing, however this could leave a nice opening for a scene in the future when someone thinks about that and realizes that because of their impaired thinking they didn't think of it in time. Perhaps a nice drunken fit scene with lots of breaking stuff, and someone else can come in and comfort said person(probably one of the smarties).

    126. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by JTsyo · · Score: 1

      >>>First, why did the point of origin for the 9 symbol address have to be Earth's symbol? They weren't on Earth, and they weren't using the Earth gate.

      Precisely. Which is why it didn't work until they changed their point-of-origin to the new planet. Please pay closer attention to the fake, make-believe magic incantations. ;-)

      >>>if no one has been on the ship since it was launched, why are the CO2 scrubbers full of gunk?

      For the same reason why your car's engine oil would turn to with gunk if you left it sitting-around for 10,000 years.

      >>>if the air has been leaking out of the ship since it was damaged, where is the new air coming from?

      Good point. It's funny how all these problems just suddenly "happened" on precisely Day 3.6 Million of the ship's log, and humans just happened to be there.

      They were entering it with the planet's symbol but needed to use Earth's for it to work. I'm guessing the 9th symbol doesn't work like the rest.

      With the new gates they find, can't they use a 8 symbol code to open a gate back earth or do you need extra energy?

    127. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by treat · · Score: 1

      And your anecdotal evidence is somehow better than his?

      How about this? I know someone that knows Olivia Munn. That makes me a better human being than you.

      Someone who actually used an application for their profession should have better "anecdotal evidence" about it than someone who has never used it at all.

      How would being acquainted with an actress be relevant to this at all? It's really not related to post-production work. And why would that be related to being a "better human being"?

    128. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anything that obscures cg in movies is a good thing buddy, whether its blurring or shaking.

      tell your mates who work with CG on hollywood that they're a bunch of fucking idiots. cg effects with the exception of firefly and a few others such as starship troopers have been a load of crap, and are most unwelcome

      part of the reason the bourne films are so good is that they don't have any shitty special effects in them. you berk.

    129. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Majestix · · Score: 1

      ROFL...and i thought i was such a geek while explaining to my wife that there were whole fleets of ships in ST. She'd only seen (and thought) there was the enterprise.

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    130. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by TheGeniusIsOut · · Score: 1

      Would I find this book about imaginary technology in my college library? ;-) Oh and by the way photon torpedoes are warp-driven vessels filled with antimatter - they don't pass through the ship when they impact, even though they are traveling at warp speed.

      1) The Physics of Star Trek by Lawrence M. Krauss is a very enlightening book, if a bit outdated, that discusses the physics behind the warp drive, inertial dampeners, transporters, and other things. Warp drive is a localized warping of space-time which allows the vessel to travel faster than the speed of light relative to distant objects, local objects within the warp field are relatively stationary with respect to the vessel.

      2) Photon torpedoes use an impulse drive for propulsion, not a warp drive. If they used a miniaturized warp drive, there would be no need for a warhead, just initiate a core breach, and no variable yield to the torpedo either.

      I do agree there were some solutions to problems that could have made the ship more powerful, such as combining replicator and transporter technology to beam replacement parts into place as soon as they were damaged, but this is a fictional show, and would grow quite boring if the ship was nigh indestructible.

      As for SG:U, the Senator's sacrifice was a dramatic plot element, which will have a greater impact than just cutting off one of the air leaks. The ramifications will reverberate through the characters' relationships, and will serve as motivations for the future. If you insist upon a technological explanation, consider that the Ancients were an intelligent race of engineers, who would not want something as important at the rear hatch of a shuttle to be opened or closed by a falling object, and would likely include biometric sensors to determine if the contacting appendage was living or not. For remote operation of the door, there were internal systems of the ship itself, that have obviously degraded over the hundreds of thousands of years the ship has been traveling.

      Destiny is not traveling through hyperspace, as I have seen some say, rather it is moving faster than light through normal space. Some would say this is impossible as it requires infinite energy to accelerate any mass to the speed of light, and they would be correct except that Destiny does not appear to accelerate at all. From the visual effect used, I would venture a guess that there is a form of transporter beaming technology being used to shift the entire ship instantaneously from sub-light speeds to FTL without acceleration.

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    131. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think warp drives add kinetic energy to the ship? It's all technobabble, so it's something of a silly discussion. But it's just as likely that a warp drive moves you through "subspace" without having any "realspace" component of motion, thus no KE for use when ramming.

    132. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      (you can warp through things, when in warp you are out of normal space time. DUH so a Run about would pass through the borg cube

      A Runabout passed through a Borg Cube's shields. That's different from passing through the whole Cube. And they weren't at warp.

      Why? Because they had to get through the shields before they could use the transporter.

      I don't think there's a canonical instance of ships at warp speed intersecting with anything in Star Trek. But they certainly didn't try warping through things that surrounded them like Dyson Spheres, Tholian Webs, Space Amoebas, or Q Fences.

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    133. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My big complaint about the plot is that any race planning to send an automated ship on a multi-thousand year trip with no crew would surely have built some kind of automated repair system. Where are the little R2D2-equivalents that should be running around patching stuff? Maybe something similar to replicators, but carrying containers of goo that can be turned into spare parts as needed.

      Maybe they all broke down. ;)

        And since they're (presumably) smaller than the ship they're fixing, they could be blasted off the outside of the hull by an impact with space junk.

    134. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Unless the button was heat sensitive or electrically sensitive. In which case poking it with a pencil would have done nothing.

    135. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Hundreds of thousands actually, possibly much more as the ship was built before the ancients got into the whole ascension kick.

    136. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by TheGeniusIsOut · · Score: 1

      >>>First, why did the point of origin for the 9 symbol address have to be Earth's symbol? They weren't on Earth, and they weren't using the Earth gate.

      Precisely. Which is why it didn't work until they changed their point-of-origin to the new planet. Please pay closer attention to the fake, make-believe magic incantations. ;-)

      Apparently you were not paying attention, as they were using the planet's symbol for point of origin and it did not work until they changed to the Earth symbol. The 9th chevron was obviously not a point of origin, rather a code lock, as was stated in the episode,

      >>>if no one has been on the ship since it was launched, why are the CO2 scrubbers full of gunk?

      For the same reason why your car's engine oil would turn to with gunk if you left it sitting-around for 10,000 years.

      Over 100,000 years, not 10,000, this was launched long before the Ancients even left for the Pegasus galaxy, which was, interestingly, the first leg of Destiny's journey. The scrubbers were using a chemical reactant for cleansing the air, which would degrade over time even if not used, though with the amount of damage to the ship, it is likely there have been inhabitants on board in the past.

      >>>if the air has been leaking out of the ship since it was damaged, where is the new air coming from?

      Good point. It's funny how all these problems just suddenly "happened" on precisely Day 3.6 Million of the ship's log, and humans just happened to be there.

      The ship would only have to stop by a planet with a suitable atmosphere and remotely dial the gate on the planet to get an incoming wormhole to the ship, pressure differential would allow air to flow from the planet to the ship..

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    137. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      The symbols are not the program. That is, just because a symbol means something to one computer, doesn't mean it means the same thing to a totally separate system. In this case the symbol stood for the Milky Way a.k.a., where the ancients who built the ship originated from. That's why they used the same symbol.

    138. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as I know: 1. phasers are 'kinetic' weapons. 2. a ramming ship might not work because Star Trek vessels survive space at warp (they seem to already already have shielding against collisions with debris at high speed). 3. Photon torpedos do generate a warp field (or something like that)... that's why they work at warp (phasers supposedly do not).

    139. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by BikeHelmet · · Score: 1

      I know how you feel. I've often wondered why they can't open a hyperspace portal inside/around an enemy ship, ripping it to shreds. After all, the shields are probably down, and the enemy's hyperdrive isn't activated and keeping things under control, so it would be catastrophic, wouldn't it?

      And for that matter... Asgard weapons were awesome against the Ori - but as soon as they went to the Pegasus galaxy, they were almost totally ineffective against Wraith vessels. Their excuse? Thick hulls. @_@

      Well jeeze - the Daedalus gets in enough battles that I really wonder why they didn't slap a hull a few metres thicker onto it! I also wonder why the Daedalus is so weak in "The Daedalus Variations". It gets ripped to bits by an alien ship, which was hiding from the wraith...

      And I wonder why they never used those Asgard battle suits or Ancient personal shield emitters that they picked up. And where did the Zat guns go? Those things disintegrate!

      Maybe some stargate geek will give me an answer - but most are probably just TV tropes. Because, y'know, at the end of an episode the state of the universe has to return to exactly the way it was.

    140. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Eil · · Score: 1

      Stargate always had problems thinking imaginatively.

      This was always my problem with Stargate. After a season or two, the writers seem to get lazy because they know they'll have a fat paycheck at the end of it, as long as the ratings don't fall too badly. They'd much rather recycle old, safe plots and keep the show relatively mundane than risk rocking the boat over an edgy new idea. SG-1 was pretty good at first. They took the premise of the Stargate movie and expanded it very effectively and imaginatively. But the series as a whole just lost more and more steam as it went on. For awhile there, the only thing keeping me watching it was Richard Dean's (admittedly sporadic) comedy moments. And then he stepped down from the lead. Atlantis was one recycled plot after another and none of the characters had even the slightest depth.

      I haven't watched SGU yet, but since the production team seems to be unchanged from SG-1 and Atlantis. Given this, I don't really have much hope that SGU will be much different from its predecessors: a soap opera with flat characters, little action, and terribly predictable plots.

      And I'm sorry, but the whole "stranded far away and trying to get home" thing has been done to DEATH in science fiction.

    141. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by sanosuke001 · · Score: 1

      No, the point of origin symbol for the radioactive core planet was the Orion constellation symbol. That didn't work because, as they stated in the show, "maybe it isn't a point of origin but more like a code and only one code is correct to open the gate" so they switched to the Earth point of origin symbol and it worked.

      They also said that "maybe the ship has been going on far longer than it was expected to" which could be why everything is in dis-repair. If it was expected to be populated 5000 years prior (they ascended 10,000 years ago I believe) then 5000 years is a plausible time frame for stuff to not work once it's turned on.

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    142. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      Ascension happened more recently than 10,000 years before present, as established by the Atlantis episode where Weir time-travels to pre-Ascension Atlantis and chats up some Ancients to volunteer to become cryo'ed and rotate ZPMs every few thousand years.

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    143. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It didn't say when the ship was damaged.

    144. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Urban+Garlic · · Score: 1

      > A runabout crashing into a borg cube at warp seven would do quite a bit more damage than a photon torpedo, I would imagine

      Depends on how you think the tech works, but you can make a conservation-of-energy argument that Trek-universe ships at warp don't actually have that much kinetic energy, based on a (rather rough, of course) estimate of the energy inputs. The old rec.arts.startrek.tech explanation was that the "warp field" made the inertia go away somehow. Since photon torpedoes use the same power source (matter-antimatter annihilation) directly, they may well be more effective.

      Which is to say (hauling this back on-topic...) that this kind of thoughtfulness is sometimes a quick way to get bogged down in the tech details of the universe in question, which can compromise the storytelling.

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    145. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      I think the problem is the Ancients knew how badass they were so they never bothered to think of the simple things

      The Asgard, who were only the "scientific-not-spiritual" branch of the Ancients, suffered from (and ultimately became extinct because of) exactly this problem. I don't find it a stretch of standard suspension of disbelief to buy into this theory.

      Strong materials and a robust system resulted in products that had a functional lifetime many times greater than the duration of a generation, even at the extended life expectancy of the Ancients (pre-Asgard cloning and mind-transition adoption, anyway). It makes sense they didn't invest many resources in efficiency. It just wasn't required.

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    146. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      I find it annoying that they haven't come up with the idea of keeping Stargates on their battlecruisers yet. It would make it possible to evacuate the ship easily in case they were cornered.

      Strange, the 'canon' is, once you move a gate, you need to recalibrate it. You can't connect a wormhole to a gate in hyperspace, per Season 1 SG1 Ep 21 Within The Serpent's Grasp. Remember, Hammond tried to redial that address and it wouldn't connect because the mothership carrying the gate was moving.

      How they managed to make the 9th Chevron work using the Earth symbol 21 lightyears from Earth is beyond me. Serious plothole. Didn't somebody read the Stargate bibles???

      I believe this was actually addressed in the show. The Tau'ri symbol was being used not as a point-of-origin in a dialing system, but as part of a passcode.

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    147. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the risk of sounding like a hopeless sci-fi nerd, the door would only close if the sensors detected a living human being in there. Of course, this only begs the question, why would the door stay closed after he died? Also, why would a computer smart enough to open a door if there is no one in the shuttle stay closed while someone died a slow, agonizing death?

    148. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      Stargate always had problems thinking imaginatively. For example, once they developed the cloaking device, I would have used it as a proxy teleporter to make nukes appear in the center of Ori ships.

      These are problems of inconsistency and unconsidered ramifications, rather than problems of imagination. I do think SG* (especially SG:A) had imagination problems, but the earliest SG-1 seasons were actually quite thoughtful and imaginative, in how they explored different human cultures and their possible origins/progressions, etc. Where they did have "imagination" problems, I think they were really problems realising their imaginations, given the budgets available. All in all, SG-1 did a great job.

      Except for handling language differences. Turns out, no matter where a culture originated, or how many centuries they spent totally cut off from Earth, they all developed directly to some form of modern English that had not concept of conjunctions.

      For a show that went to the trouble of including a linguist on the team, they hit the problem of communication far too few times.

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    149. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by tmosley · · Score: 1

      No, no, I'm not talking about the visual cloaking of the G'ould, but the Ancient cloaking device that removes the affected ship/building/planet from physical reality to the extent that it was undetectable by Ori technology. If their shields interacted with the cloaked object, it would be easily detectable.

    150. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      Some stayed behind but a catastrophe forced them to "forget" their knowledge and devolve into us. Then the Go'auld arrived at some point and became the new masters in Egypt. We kicked them out, buried the gates, and without the Ga'ould controlling our population, we rapidly grew from 0.2 to 6 billion.

      This isn't quite right. The Ancients "seeded" planets with life, evidently. We are meant to be re-evolutions of the Ancients, not direct descendants. I think the same is true of the Wraith - they evolved from the seeded "new" humans and the big bugs. Presumably, the Ancients pre-seeded Pegasus before moving there, and re-seeded the milky way as well.

      There is some suggestion that they are not from either galaxy originally, I believe, but you may be right about Earth being their true origin.

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    151. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by LandDolphin · · Score: 1

      You could assume that the scan for a lifeform only happens when the door originally shuts and does not constantly scan for life forms.

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    152. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Jarnin · · Score: 1

      Joe Mallozzi, former showrunner of Atlantis and a consulting producer on SGU, has stated on his blog that the "Ancient Technology Activation gene" won't be featured on Universe, or at least hasn't been mentioned in the currently filmed episodes (of which I think there are 19?). It sort of makes sense, since Atlantis and all of that stuff is much newer than the Destiny and the gate-building ships in the franchise.

    153. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      I was wondering why they couldn't just stick a piece of plywood in front of the door and figure it all out later.

      I'm not a material scientist, but can plywood hold integrity against a near-vacuum? They might need a little saran wrap and duct tape to make it work.

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    154. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by tmosley · · Score: 1

      You can't do that because you have to lower your own shields to use the transporters. You could only do that if you disabled their weapons, at which point it hardly matters.

      As for the Warp thing, I would expect SOMETHING crazy to happen when a bubble of space containing a ship moving at 10000c+ hits a stationary ship. Perhaps the warp drive would grab anything in its way and pull it into the warp field. It seems to me that there are two possibilities, either the space in and around the targeted ship starts moving around, destroying the ship regardless of technology level, or there is a physical impact, in which case you would have to have the explanation that the amount of kinetic energy is either absorbed by the warp bubble (destroying the missile with minimal damage to the target), or that the impact is of a magnitude that can be easily absorbed by even weak shields.

    155. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by tmosley · · Score: 1

      The internal economy of the Federation is characterized by the abundance of free goods provided by the technology of the replicator. Only those things which can not be replicated have any value, so services like transportation must be limited somehow. However, it is likely that even those services are so cheap due to inputs that can be redirected from the replicators. There comes a point where it is simpler to simply stop trading goods for money. The only rare resource at that point would be land, or space, which is traded for the one commodity that is not subject to replication--latinum. Obviously, latinum is traded for services which are not unlimited, ie those that require a human service provider.

      Thus, the only thing that really costs money is interaction with people, and a piece of land on some planet somewhere. All other needs and wants are met automatically and with little to no effort. Much like air, or internet downloads, there is no charge MOST of the time.

    156. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by S-4'N3 · · Score: 1

      I've been told my friends that do effects that shaky cam is harder because animating 3D and tracking camera motion is more difficult than just animating something in 3D for a non-moving camera.

    157. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      My guess is that the scrubbers were organic and died.

      As for the air, why keep the ship pressurized with no-one on it? It's not like it couldn't pressurize when it detected the gate activating. Maybe that's why the scrubbers died :P

    158. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      Alright. Another question, then - when Sisko purchases lumber from Bajor to build his solar sail ship, what did he use to pay for it? I doubt Bajor would accept Federation credits, since they're not part of the Federation (yet), so one would assume he either traded something for it (but what?), got it as a favor from someone (plausible) or paid in latinum, which leads to my question: where would he get the latinum? Would Star Fleet provide latinum/credit exchanges when necessary?

      I know this kind of question probably isn't answerable. I'm just curious :)

    159. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the same thing I often wonder if a large enough group of technically minded people could write a better television show than the writers that are on the payrolls of some of the production houses.

    160. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Quarters · · Score: 1

      If they are lifeboat shuttles, which I don't think was mentioned, just 'shuttle', you'd hope that the lifeform scan conditions would not be satisfied with (#_of_lifeforms_on_shuttle #_of_lifeforms_on_ship) && (#_of_lifeforms_on_shuttle max_capacity_of_shuttle). One person should not be able to just make off with a lifeboat if there are other people who need rescuing, also.

    161. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by SheeEttin · · Score: 1

      Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!/blockquote That occurred to me as well. It's easily made impossible by requiring the controls to have a person touching them (e.g. they detect specific changes in electrical resistance).

    162. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Interesting theory, but if you'll recall, they've used that same effect for hyperspace transitions on goa'uld motherships.

      It'll be interesting to see what BS they make up to explain it. It appears that ship is moving at unimaginable speeds... they jumped from one galaxy to another in a few hours (assuming they were in a galaxy when they gated aboard.)

    163. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Alamais · · Score: 1

      More fun that way. :D

    164. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by kelleher · · Score: 1

      Star Trek was filled with goofy little inconsistencies like that. For example, they could regrow kidneys, but couldn't cure Picard's baldness. Some failing component of 7 of 9 couldn't be replicated yet they had no problems sending her through a transporter. Etc.

    165. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Alamais · · Score: 1

      1) Need Ancient gene to activate? 2) Maybe Ancient touch screens are of the capacitive sort. Need a living finger to poke it. Though yeah, I guess then an amputated finger might work. :P

    166. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Except that in good shows the "shakey-cam" is hardly ever used in scenes which are CGI intensive. If you watch BSG and SGU, it's mostly used in action sequences or "tense" moments, to add atmosphere to the shot. BSG also used the effect in parts of the space-battles, but had plenty of sequences where they obviously didn't skimp on CG. Also, the views of the fleet at rest were gloriously done and, likewise, the external shots of the ship in SGU are gorgeous.

    167. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

      In general, the problem with the Borg is that they have subsumed a stupendous diversity of species and technology. They have a tech toy or a countermeasure for nearly ANYTHING you could try against them. Sure, you might be able to ram starships into Borg cubes and blow up one or two. But, if you tried to do it on a large scale, the Borg would communicate among one another and search their data banks for a countermeasure to your attack.

      That rule goes for virtually ANYTHING you might try...in the series finale for Voyager, the Borg were even able to counter a super weapon specifically designed for killing Borg brought back in time from the future.

    168. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      So, when fighting in sub-space the torpedo will remain in sub-space and hit its target. When fighting in normal space it will remain in normal space and hit its target. It will not cross the threshold either way which would make it unable to hit its target.

      Well that's stupid. I know Picard wasn't the brightest bulb in the pack, but you'd think even he could have figured out that the best way to avoid a sub-light torpedo would be to go to warp, and the best way to evade a warp-speed torpedo would be to drop out of warp. Either the Star Trek universe is filled with morons, or someone didn't think that explanation all the way through.

    169. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hint: Shakecam is done in post-processing.

    170. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thought the same thing too. I figure that they intended to gate to the ship at some point ( granted 1000's of years after it launched, but was still in proper condition ), but became more interested in ascending than the ship they sent off, and said screw it.

    171. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty much a given that they're going to find out something is already alive on the ship in a later episode. Most certainly in the first season and probably before they're half-way through it. Sci-fi stories are a little bit stale in some ways.

    172. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by gullevek · · Score: 1

      Sanitation is something which is never ever talked about. Seems you do not need to take a crap in the future at all.

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    173. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I don't get the lens flare fetish. If there's a lens flare they should show some poor sucker floating in space with a camera. External shots are to move the story along, they shouldn't make you think about how it would be filmed if it were real.

    174. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      Stargate and Star Trek both talk about plotting courses to destinations;

      I don't find it unreasonable to use "navigate" to mean "dead reckoning" or the like.

      one would assume that they're doing this to avoid obstacles.

      In the episode "Fail Safe", SG-1 extends a cargo ship's hyperspace window around an asteroid that is approaching Earth and drag it through the planet. It would seem that carefully choosing your exit point is more important than what is in your way.

    175. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by ProKras · · Score: 1

      why didn't anyone in the Star Trek universe ever come up with the idea of using warp drives as weapons in a systematic way? A runabout crashing into a borg cube at warp seven would do quite a bit more damage than a photon torpedo, I would imagine. I guess kinetic energy just isn't "futuristic" enough.

      According to some of the best speculative physics out there, warp drive must operate by either manipulating space-time itself, or by creating an artificial wormhole or some other means of traveling in extra dimensions. Within your local frame of reference your velocity would be quite low, as would your kinetic energy. You could also move at EXACTLY the speed of light by reducing the relativistic mass of your vessel to zero. Still no kinetic energy weapon there.

      Using warped space itself as a weapon is a possibility, but who is to say that phasers don't already do some of that. Phasers certainly can't work merely by firing a beam of photons at the target, like a laser. If they did work like lasers, you wouldn't be able to see the beam.

      Sublight engines, on the other hand, might be a possibility as the basis of a kinetic energy weapon. IIRC impulse drive could move a starship somewhere around 1/2c.

    176. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      In TNG:"Deja Q", Geordi managed to *tech* a warp field around (part of) a moon to reduce the moon's gravitational constant for the purpose of changing its orbit. It worked, but not very well. It's unclear how this mode of generating a warp field field is related to warp travel, or if it's related to the DS9 bubble which was generated without warp engines.

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    177. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      In TNG: "The Wounded", 'Brien beamed through the Phoenix's shields using a timing exploit analogous to what used to be possible with the old retail anti-shoplifting systems...

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    178. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Kj0n · · Score: 1

      I don't know why I bother replying, but anyway.

      The gate addresses do change with galactic drift. That's why in the Stargate movie they could only connect to a single gate. Normally the DHD takes care of recalculating the address, but they didn't have one on earth.

      The ninth chevron is for selecting a location that is even farther away than a single galaxy. The stargate didn't connect to the ship while it was in hyperspace: if you watch the intro sequence, you can see that the ship drops out of hyperspace before the wormhole connects. After the gate was closed, it entered hyperspace again.

      As for the death of the senator: they just wanted to get rid of him :-).

    179. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      Presumably, Starfleet would stipend its officers a reasonable amount of local currency so they are less tempted to sell their knowledge or skills in local economies.

      It seems that the limit to replication (but not transportation) is somewhere less than living or otherwise dynamic systems, so many things of that nature could work as tradables. In TNG: "Code of Honor", Enterprise was not able to replicate a particular vaccine. In TNG: "Starship mine", highly volatile "trilithium" warp core gunk couldn't be replicated by the terrorists. In various TNG and DS9 episodes, "Bio-mimetic gel" was illegal to produce, and obviously many plot points would have been spoiled if dilithium crystals and other engineering pieces could be replicated easily.

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    180. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      Even modern fingerprint readers can distinguish between living and dead fingers.

    181. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by master_p · · Score: 1

      Hey, it's captain James T. Kirk! he can screw the Universe and multiple times!!!

      well, if Chuck Norris let him...

    182. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funniest post i've read today lol

    183. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a scientifically edjucated guy who loves the physical and particle sciences but just can't help being SG fanboy. Even though the pseudo-scientific things they do sometimes makes me laugh I'm prepared to blame that away on the 'Fiction' part of sci-fi.

      But one thing about SG:U worries me and I hope they can explain it adequately in the upcoming episodes, and it's this; The ancients i.e. the gate builders ascended thousands of years ago leaving this ship traveling faster than light all this time getting further and further away from known pre-ascencion Ancient space. How are they able to gate to planets where there can't be any gates? I'm afraid that this could be a serious blow to my SG fanboyhood if they can't come up with a convincing/plausible explanation. My hope is that the fourth ancient race, the Furlons (or whatever they were called), finally return to the saga and explains it somehow. But still, the ship is insanely far away from the home galaxy and has been going full speed for thousands of years. The chance that gates have been placed so far out in the universe seems very slim to me.

    184. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Darundal · · Score: 1

      Where are you getting the whole "asgard are ancient offshoots" thing. Sure, we may have seen a preserved asgard from way before they had modified themselves to their current state, but that doesn't mean they started out at ancient.

    185. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by atamido · · Score: 1

      Yes, but subspace was still apparently affected by real space such that traveling through a star or black hole was a bad idea.

    186. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using warp speed projectiles would only work well as a weapon in Star Trek. In Star Trek, faster than light travel is accomplished through warp engines. The same goes for Star Wars. They have to do calculations to make sure they do not run into anything while at warp speed. In Stargate, this is done through the use of hyperspace. The ship uses a hyperspace generator, which allows them to enter hyperspace, at which point they remain in hyperspace so long as it is active. The exception to this is of course the destiny, which is the only known Stargate ship to use warp engines rather than hyperspace generators. Also, ftr, Stargates use subspace transmission, which of course is nearly instantaneous, but requires immense power output, which is why they are so small, with the exception of the Aurai supergate which needed a collapsed star or planet to feed it.

    187. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Veretax · · Score: 1

      I never liked that they called it a cloak. I know in ST:TNG they had a ship they went to find that had something similar, but technically what it does is Phase shift.

    188. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    189. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by tmosley · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. The replicator has to use (at least) as much energy to produce an object as that object contains, so replication of dilithium crystals would be essentially worthless, as it would drain as much or more power from the ship's systems than the shiny new crystals contained.

      Of course, it could be used to REFINE crystals that are contaminated or dispersed in some other material.

      As for the living things, you're right, that is a bit of a plot hole. If they can transport a living thing, they should be able to reproduce one, much in the way Riker was cloned. Likely, replicators simply have some form of limiters installed on them to stop replication of living things, for moral reasons. They might also just be less precise in their assembly protocols, so that a perfect replica isn't possible, but a mass of fats, proteins, and carbohydrates resembling a formerly living thing can be easily reproduced. That probably explains why many people still prefer fresh meat to replicated.

    190. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by rilian4 · · Score: 1

      Matter of fact, an SG1 eppy detailed what happened if a wormhole from a stargate went through a star. The star got all weird and red-shifted nearly killing off a primitive planet and the Asgard had to flick their magic technobuttons to fix it...

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    191. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then you simply chop off the senators finger and duct tape it to a Keno...I would much rather have a 9 fingered dad then no dad at all....Simple problem solving really plagued Atlantis and drove me absolutely batty to the point where I stopped watching it. Hope this is just a fluke and this doesn't become overly dramatic easy-to-solve-if-you-had-half-a-brain problem of the week a la Atlantis.

    192. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      I think you misunderstood the chronology. There were four ancient allied races - scientifically minded races: the Ancients, Asgard, Nox, and Furriers (who are never mentioned.) They are not related, just allies.

      There was however a split among the ancients, in which half went to the Milky Way, and half stayed in their Galaxy. The scientific half are the ancients of Earth, who ascended and occupy the higher plane in the Milky Way. The Ori were the other "spiritual" branch of the ancients. Both branches ascended, the only difference is the Spiritual branch called themselves gods and fed on the energy of the lower planes.

    193. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      The distinction was very clearly illustrated. And I think they generally did refer to it as phase shift, from when it was first used with the Ritu and all that jazz.

    194. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by emoseman · · Score: 1

      They desperately needed a way to get rid of Christopher McDonald (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001520/)!

    195. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      Star Trek and Star Wars are similar in this regard: the problem isn't actual collisions, but rather the effect that gravity has on warp fields / hyperspace. Get too close to anything with sufficient mass to affect the FTL drive and Bad Things Happen. In Star Trek the warp bubble, and anything inside it, gets pulled into the gravity well, never to return; in Star Wars gravity distorts the correspondence between hyperspace and real space in unpredictable ways, and interferes with the separation between hyperspace and the bubble of real space maintained inside the ship's hyper field.

      In Star Trek it's impossible for there to be an actual collision between a ship under warp drive and an object in normal space, since the warp drive works by creating a complete separation between the real universe and anything inside the warp field. This is tempered somewhat by an EM "bleed-through" effect when multiple, overlapping warp fields are employed, which is why—aside from the first few attempts at warp travel with a single field—those inside the ship can see the outside universe. (There is some inconsistency on this point, however.)

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    196. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      Precisely. Which is why it didn't work until they changed their point-of-origin to the new planet.

      This is a point that bothered me during the show. In every prior case, the point of origin has been the one symbol on the DHD/stargate which isn't a constellation, and when a DHD or gate is moved to a new planet the symbol doesn't change. For that matter, there were two original Earth-based DHDs with different symbols. These points all argue for the point-of-origin being a cosmetic placeholder for "wherever the gate is right now". So (a) why would it make any difference what symbol they used for the point of origin, and (b) how did they input a symbol into the DHD which shouldn't have been on the DHD's keys in the first place?

      If they'd said it was just another constellation, that would make sense in the context of a code rather than an address. However, they claimed it was still the point of origin, and showed the symbol from Ra's Earth gate (which wasn't even on Earth when the Ancients were here) on the monitor.

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    197. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well a lot of the ship is closed off due to damage, the little repair bots might be around somewhere... Or they might have already broken down themselves. I think they said that the ancients were planning on going to the ship a long long time ago but they ascended first. The ship is probably far past it's life expectancy.

    198. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      Crystals are not a fuel source but a catalyst for the matter- anti-matter reaction. Dr. Leah Brahms, the GCS warp engine designer, complained that Geordi *tech*ed the crystals placement to enhance regeneration of the crystals.

      If the crystals were an energy source, a handful of which could be converted into enough energy to move a starship, they would have to store sufficient chemical bond energy to the extent that whacking it with mining tools would be a bad idea, or enough quantum *tech* that they wouldn't play well with organic or other matter, or so much density that it would not be readily available to be mined from the crust of planetary bodies (or, say, liftable by hand as has been repeatedly shown on screen).

      Also, other species undoubtedly had replicators which could employ different interlocks on prohibited goods. If the Romulans could replicate tribbles, or if the Borg could replicate biology (they have been exposed to replicator technology from the entire galaxy...), some problems would have been solved differently.

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    199. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      Not all of them, but the high quality ones can.

    200. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ship didn't wake up. A keno or similar was flying down hall activating lights as it was heading to gate room. They may also have a bigger roll in fixing the ship. I do agree they should have shown scene trying to use keno to fix door problem.

    201. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, if you read the premise, or even listened closely to some of the dialogue in the first ep, you'd know the ship they are on was set to follow behind another unmanned ship whose purpose was to look for habitable worlds and drop stargates on them. Whether these gates are close enough to each other to form any kind of network remains to be seen. Though it would be kind of silly if they weren't. Destiny's mission was to stop next to each gate and let the future crew (of whoever dialed aboard once it got out to a certain point) do a little exploring. So the point is they have to keep searching these one-shot planets for some way to get home (expect this to take several seasons and end with some sort of enormous deus ex machina, possibly literal).

    202. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your ship technology needs repair after 1000 years, wouldn't your ship-repair-bots need repair too?

    203. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, no. Shakey cam was invented to give better immersion, which is a result of most people perceiving it to be more realistic because thats how their home movies look.

    204. Re:Troubleshooting skills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I rationalized the non-use of the 'Keno' to close the hatch by assuming the controller can't make the keno collide with anything, or Eli hadn't figured out how to cut off its levitation system so it would fall on the button, or he can't control it finely enough to have it stop directly over the button and touch it, or the button needs to be touched be a living hand.

  4. SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The death of the California senator was utterly pointless. They should have taped a pen to a camera droid and had it push the airlock button on the shuttle.

    1. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by rilles · · Score: 1

      unless it is a touch pad only sensitive to a finger. But I guess cutting off a finger and gluing it to a Keno would be better then total self termination.

    2. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Barny · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Call me out of touch, but this is actually the first stargate thing I have seen since the original movie.

      So it transports matter well, I get that (humans and objects can move through), but what about air? Couldn't they just open the new gate to any planet with a good atmosphere and just top up the ship with breathable air?

      The people I was roped into watching this with kept shouting at me to stop picking on it, but I want to know how they are limiting this thing...

      "oh yes you can put any matter you want though it so long as it is solid or liquid" but then how do their bodies get through it when all the air is displaced out of their lungs?

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    3. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Canazza · · Score: 1

      Nice idea, It'd have been a more visceral scene too. Might not have passed the muster for it's timeslot though :P

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    4. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Deus777 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't have any official source for this, but just from watching the show, it seems like anything requires a little bit of a "push" to move through the gate. I suppose if the wind was blowing directly to the gate they could get some fresh air. The problem is, they are in another galaxy and don't know any of the gate addresses for that galaxy. I don't even know how they are going to get back to the ship after they arrive on the planet in the next episode. How do they know the symbols to use to get back to the ship?

    5. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Arcady13 · · Score: 1

      The stargate transfers matter in one direction only. If you open a wormhole to another planet, you can only send matter to that planet. Air and water do not generally flow through the gate in any case, since the mechanism does not allow it (see about 20 episodes of SG-1 for a reason.) The only thing that travels both ways is a radio signal, or other waves of energy, like radiation.

    6. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 5, Informative

      as explained in season 1 of SG-1, particles (such as air)are kept from traveling through the event horizon by the cool ancient technology as a way to help protect both ends from the environment on the other side.

    7. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by DudeTheMath · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that the automated ships that seeded the universe with gates had instructions to leave gate addresses somewhere around the DRD for the exploration ships that (like "Destiny") were expected to follow, on autopilot, opening for twelve hours when they found one of the seeded gates. Rush & Wallace are going because they know what to look for and should be able to find the return address. Hey, that sounds just like the premise for a movie...

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    8. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Early in the sg1 series they covered this, supposedly the stargate can sense when something actually wants to pass through, pressure alone wouldn't count. So when they opened the gate to come back from a planet that was mostly submerged the water didnt flow through.

    9. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by SilentMobius · · Score: 1

      The gate is one way after its dialed, and transports contiguous lumps of matter, it normally waits until one item is completely in its "buffer" before sending it. I guess you could say the stream is gas-delimited. If they had canisters it would work fine (did they have canisters, could they dial back? I haven't seen it yet)

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    10. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 0, Troll

      Couldn't they just open the new gate to any planet with a good atmosphere and just top up the ship with breathable air?

      I can think of two reasons:

      1. It's been established frequently in the other two series that matter will only travel in an outgoing direction through a stargate, so you'd need somebody to dial in instead.
      2. The ship was (I think) in motion, faster than light. I don't think they've ever said whether it's possible to dial in or out from a gate moving that fast.

      And then there's the consideration that they wanted to kill somebody off in the pilot for dramatic purposes, so a stuck door and air loss is as good a MacGuffin as anything else. It is consistent with the established rules in the series, though.

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    11. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have not seen this show. But it is likely one of two things.

      1: its an outgoing wormhole? stargate wormholes are one directional, with the exception of a feedback signal from the destination gate.
      2: its programmed into the bios of the stargate to filter what goes through. The standard programming prevents atmospheric pressure from venting through the gate for a variety of reasons (some gates are miles below the ocean at huge pressures and some are in the vacuum of space)

    12. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rules of the stargate are quite strange and often "expanded" to create some plot. But I give them that their explanations are often quite clever.

      Concerning your issue I think it just couldn't work.

      First, a stargate only transports matter from the source to the destination, not in the other direction. So they at least have to open the gate from a planet to the ship.

      Second, the event horizon of the stargate actually push stuff back a bit. This way the atmosphere doesn't pass through. This also applies to liquid. If the stargate is opened in water (and that has happened) the water doesn't flow through it.

      And this is imho a very clever and important thought. I mean you have seen what happens if some window in a space ship breaks and all the atmosphere is sucked out. The atmosphere is actually pushed out. If the stargate would not have such a mechanism it would have the same effect. If the stargate wouldn't push back all the atmosphere would be pushed trough it with equal effect like a big hole in the wall of a space ship.

      A third point is that a stargate actually has a way to recognize objects. It only sends the object if the whole thing passed the event horizon. Otherwise it just would rip people and stuff apart when they try to pass. There was an early Atlantis episode where this was very important. So I conclude, yes, it recognizes solid objects and it even can seperate them, which means it has a way to determine what belongs to the object. I have not the slightest idea how that should work, but I think if that is possible it is not that hard to detect the blood in the veins and air in the lungs.

    13. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by lymond01 · · Score: 1

      I'll take a stab: the Stargate mechanism exerts pressure on either side using a sort of surface tension. A person can move through easily but air, even if there is a huge pressure differential between areas, can't pass -- the field acts as a wall unless you actively press against it. Perhaps you could blast air through, but air won't flow through on its own.

    14. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      First, the gates only work one way (per connection) in regard to matter transport, so they'd have to open it from the planet, not to the planet--and the ship itself would need to be in orbit of a planet itself to establish contact (otherwise it has no address). Second, the gates aren't simple conduits; only elementary particles can actually travel through the wormhole, so the purpose of the gate (besides opening the wormhole) is dematerializing objects for transport and rematerializing them on the other side. The gate itself discriminates between different kinds of objects, and presents a certain amount of resistance at the event horizon to differentiate between an object being sent through (e.g. a human) and accidental contact (e.g. atmosphere)--see the "water gate" episode for a clear example of this, or any of the several episodes where they open a connection between a planet-based gate and one in space--so just opening the gate wouldn't be sufficient to bring air across; something would have to force it through. The gate also transports objects in discrete "packets", fully dematerializing each object before transmitting it, which isn't really consistent with transporting an unbounded mass of air.

      Assuming they could send someone across to open the gate from the other side, however, they could package up some air in containers and send the containers back, air and all. The gates will readily transport air, provided it's enclosed in something.

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    15. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Ark42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The rules of the stargate are quite strange and often "expanded" to create some plot. But I give them that their explanations are often quite clever.

      A third point is that a stargate actually has a way to recognize objects. It only sends the object if the whole thing passed the event horizon. Otherwise it just would rip people and stuff apart when they try to pass.

      I've never figured out what is really supposed to happen when you shut off a worm-hole in mid-transit. In one episode of SG-1, some heavy material re-materializes inside of the nearby planet's sun (causing/solving the red sky and eminent doom). In another episode, Teal'c is trapped inside of the buffer, and his atoms are not just randomly lost at some point in space between the two gates. Also, there is at least one episode I can recall where a Jaffa retreating through a gate has his staff weapon cut in half when the gate shuts off. Also in the 2nd episode of the entire series of SG-1, Kawalsky had his head cut in half by them shutting down the gate while his head was partially in the wormhole. So the whole thing about transporting entire objects as one packet seems to be not true all of the time.

    16. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by JustinOpinion · · Score: 1

      So it transports matter well, I get that (humans and objects can move through), but what about air? Couldn't they just open the new gate to any planet with a good atmosphere and just top up the ship with breathable air?

      Assuming this show follows the cannon established in other Stargate shows... The stargates were designed very specifically for inter-planetary travel (they are not just open wormholes but rather the active devices). Gates are one-way. The originating gate lets matter travel to the remote gate, but you can't travel back without closing the connection and opening a new one. But, furthermore, the gates do not allow the latent atmosphere to leak through the gate (e.g. in some episodes where they gate to/from water or the vacuum of space). In some way the gates can differentiate between latent objects in the environment and things that are actively trying to go through the gate (remember these are devices built by the Ancients for exactly this purpose). (I guess this explains why the gates usually disengage shortly after the last person walks through... since there is no activity around the source gate anymore, it closes the connection.)

      Also worth noting is that stepping through a stargate does not mean stepping through a magic wall that you span. For instance if you put just your arm through, it is not yet coming out of the gate on the other side. Instead only once you've completely stepped through (and been dematerialized) are you transported to the other side, reformed, and step out. The stargates in fact contain internal "buffers" where matter is accumulated before being sent through the wormhole. For instance in the episode where the small "puddle jumper" ship got stuck was it was flying through the gate, the ship wasn't sticking out from the destination gate.

      In other words, the Stargate series has gone into considerable detail about how the gates work. They have been remarkably consistent with the details, and I certainly hope that this series lives up to that standard. So far, they have not contradicted anything we know about established alien technology in the Stargate universe.

    17. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Lumpy · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Yet particle and energy weapons shoot through just fine.

      EPIC FAIL!

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    18. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      The Goauld who originally programmed the gates have a vested interest in keeping atmospheric venting to a minimum during standard transport due to the potential for accidents. They do however have a vested interest in being able to kill people attempting to flee through a gate, even after they have physically passed through.

    19. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > 2. The ship was (I think) in motion, faster than light. I don't think they've ever said whether it's possible to dial in or out from a gate moving that fast.

      Why do you think there was the whole introduction section - when they started dialing the gate, it dropped out of lightspeed, and when they had come through it jumped back

    20. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      The gate really sense someway who or what is going trough it.
      Example.

      On SGC side, they need to issue a close command to disengage the worm hole. And it should do it automatically after 38 minutes (+ the special cases when so did not happend).

      But, when ever SG-1 is coming back from outworld hostiles behind them, the gate gets closed usually automatically after they have passed trought back to home (sometimes few bad guys gets in same time).

      You could not close the wormhole from the receiver side any way (thats why the 38 minute safety limit).

      That is one kind mystery all the times.

      Like there are episodes where SG-1 is going trough stargate without permission. And when the first person arrives to control room, they can only see last SG-1 person go trought and gates gets closed just after it. While the person on control room just curses that he could not see the address because wormhole did disengage, even that no one did it.

      Small stupid thing if wanted to pick but hey... nice stories they have.

    21. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      And didn't they even on the original movie and first SG-1 episodes explained how it was better go trough by keeping breath? So you have air on your lungs, but you keep it there so stargate does not "remove" it. And it is still inside the object what is going trough ;)

    22. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Torne · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've never figured out what is really supposed to happen when you shut off a worm-hole in mid-transit. In one episode of SG-1, some heavy material re-materializes inside of the nearby planet's sun (causing/solving the red sky and eminent doom). In another episode, Teal'c is trapped inside of the buffer, and his atoms are not just randomly lost at some point in space between the two gates. Also, there is at least one episode I can recall where a Jaffa retreating through a gate has his staff weapon cut in half when the gate shuts off. Also in the 2nd episode of the entire series of SG-1, Kawalsky had his head cut in half by them shutting down the gate while his head was partially in the wormhole. So the whole thing about transporting entire objects as one packet seems to be not true all of the time.

      Can't believe I'm being this nerdy but everything you mention there is consistent in the show's canon :)

      As you push things into the event horizon, they are dematerialised and stored in a buffer in the stargate - so if you stick the staff weapon (or your head) halfway in it's not "there" any more. Once the stargate decides the whole object is inside, it sends the data in the buffer to the other stargate via Sci Fi Awesomeness. It's sorta established that this is *not* instant. When the data gets there, the receiving stargate receives it into the buffer, and once the whole object is in the buffer, rematerialises it out of the event horizon.

      So what happens when you shut the gate off depends what stage in this process you are at: if you shut off while a object is partly into the stargate then the bit in the stargate vanishes, no part of it was sent yet (the other half I guess is left in the buffer, but the buffer gets cleared when the gate connection *opens* at least). If you shut off while the 'signal' is in transit between the gates then you get the materialising in space scenario, which rematerialises it without its actual structure (just dumps the fundamental particles back out into 'reality'). Teal'c gets trapped in the buffer because the gate is malfunctioning and is refusing to rematerialise the objects it receives; they have to get him out before anyone else dials into the gate because this will clear the buffer and destroy his stored pattern.

      So yah, it basically does transmit each object as a single "packet", but there is a buffering phase inside the stargate at each end to allow this, and the gates don't bother to push partially buffered objects back out if the connection is cut (guess the ancients weren't too big on safety).

    23. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by CRiMSON · · Score: 1

      It's also called Science-fiction for a reason, and not Science-fact/documentary...

      Sometimes you just need go with it and not want to know the why's or how's because it's simply not that 'important' to the story.

      BTW, people like you usually end up ruining shows for the people who like to watch them for the story, hence the being told to shut the fuck up.

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    24. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 1

      I thought of that, just didn't mention it. I didn't recall any instances of dialing in or out from ships in hyperspace or otherwise FTL, but I know I've missed a significant number of episodes over the years, so I didn't think I could conclusively say they'd never done it.

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    25. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The stargate keeps the atmospheres on the two sides separate, but if you want to ferry air back and forth, you can do that, just seal it in a container or something like that, and then the stargate will not prevent access. So we should find in the next episode that they now have a full tank of breathable air in the ship. That's not good enough, though, since they have not figured out how to make the ship stay where it is, so after a few hours it will sever the stargate connection and move on. At that point they will start running out of breathable air again, so they need to fix the air filter. They also need to find water, which they didn't bring any of onto the ship.

      I do agree that it would have been good if someone explained this in the episode, even if it possible to deduce it from what we have been told. They probably even filmed exactly that, but then it was cut because the episode was too long.

    26. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by EverydayBS · · Score: 1

      Let's not forget that the Stargate can only go one way at a time. You can only travel from where the wormhole was initiated.

    27. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      meh matter only moves in the direction the gate was opened from, so they'd have to gate from the planet to the ship to move air.

    28. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

      Stargate has some sort of a built in safety mechanism to prevent this. Like when they opened a gate to planets that had liquid atmosphere or were underwater, the water did not go into the gate. Also when they open the gate from places that have toxic atmosphere, the same is true.

    29. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      Except, that we know the environment of one such case affected the environment of another, which is why they could not close the wormhole...because a blackhole was in the alternate gates envrionment ...seriously though I think so far they have been pretty cool with coming up with ways of explaining such things especially things like mythology.

      They could create a sort of tubbing that pierces the event horizons protective layer, and let the hole in the tube sticking through both sides fillup the air they need...but then again this is just a show, and not real life, so maybe there are x * x reasons for not being able to!

    30. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Also, there is at least one episode I can recall where a Jaffa retreating through a gate has his staff weapon cut in half when the gate shuts off. Also in the 2nd episode of the entire series of SG-1, Kawalsky had his head cut in half by them shutting down the gate while his head was partially in the wormhole. So the whole thing about transporting entire objects as one packet seems to be not true all of the time.

      Their treatment of the event horizon varied according to plotm but...

      They *attempted* to address this in an episode of Atlantis.

      1/4 of a Puddle Jumper (shuttlecraft) made it through the gate in outer space before it got stuck as its engines were partially deployed before entering. And the gate wouldn't "transmit" until the whole ship entered.

      Rodney said that if left as-is, when the wormhole deactivated the front-part would remain in the buffer so technically the whole crew would go into the event horizon and wait for help much like what happened Teal'C in an episode of SG-1. Meanwhile the rest of the ship would be cut in half (or 3/4) and would vent atmostphere.

      HOWEVER, the instant someone dialed that gate the buffer would clear and they would be lost / deleted. Since (at that point) they didn't have an FTL ships on-hand the crew would be SOL since they had no way of getting to them. So they couldn't even send the crew in there as stasis since they could never reach them without gating them.

      In the end, they managed to retract the engines and open the rear hatch so the atmosphere blast would scoot the shuttle completely through the gate so it could transmit.

    31. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by NfoCipher · · Score: 1

      You're 10 years+ out of touch with the series. The gate is one way for the place that opens it. So if someone on a planet dialed the ship and pushed air at the gate - yeah. Not the other way around. Electromagnetic radiation flows in both directions.

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    32. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Couldn't they just open the new gate to any planet with a good atmosphere and just top up the ship with breathable air?

      I can think of two reasons:

      1. It's been established frequently in the other two series that matter will only travel in an outgoing direction through a stargate, so you'd need somebody to dial in instead.
      2. The ship was (I think) in motion, faster than light. I don't think they've ever said whether it's possible to dial in or out from a gate moving that fast.

      And then there's the consideration that they wanted to kill somebody off in the pilot for dramatic purposes, so a stuck door and air loss is as good a MacGuffin as anything else. It is consistent with the established rules in the series, though.

      They could not dial out themselves because they didn't have any stargate addresses for the galaxy they were in, and they also speculate in the episode that the ship cannot sustain stargate connection while in FTL, and they didn't know how to put the ship out of FTL. Note that there was a FTL-shift right after they arrived, which implies that the ship was not in FTL when they gated in.

      It is completely false that stargates can only have matter going one way. Every stargate connection is two-way. However, it is possible to put up a so-called iris right next to the event horizon of the gate, which doesn't prevent matter coming in, but it does occupy the space that the matter materializes in, so anything coming in will be destroyed. This may be what you are thinking of.

    33. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by monksp · · Score: 1

      I remember one episode of SG1 where Hammond was passing through the gate for the first time, and the leader of the SG team he was going with told him that his first instinct would be to strongly inhale. So maybe the gate actually does push the air out of people's lungs. You get reassembled air free, and your body's first priority is getting air in.

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    34. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by rbanffy · · Score: 1

      "just from watching the show, it seems like anything requires a little bit of a "push" to move through the gate"

      I always marvel at how all planets appear to have the exact same atmospheric pressure all over the galaxy... It's every bit as surprising as how well most aliens speak English.

    35. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Bruha · · Score: 1

      Gate dials out, IE one way xfer. So for air to come from somewhere else you have to dial into the ship.

    36. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by mR.bRiGhTsId3 · · Score: 1

      Notice the energy weapons are traveling in the correct flow direction and likely have a great deal more energy associated with them than normal atmospheric pressure.

    37. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      One general issue with wormholes between two atmospheres is dealing with unbalanced air pressure on either side of the portal. Measures have to be taken to prevent the higher pressure side from flowing into the other end. Presumably the gate technology incorporates some manner of force field to prevent air flow.

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    38. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 1

      God...I suppose I'm transforming into Comic Book Store Guy here, and you might even be trolling me, but...

      It is completely false that stargates can only have matter going one way.

      Um, no? There's no shortage of instances where the "you can't send matter out through an incoming wormhole" thing was a key feature in the main plot thread. EM radiation can travel both ways, matter can't. Just off the top of my Comic Book Guy head:

      1. Team of redshirts stuck on a world adjacent to a black hole. Black hole keeps wormhole from earth to said planet open indefinitely. Team can't just step back through the gate -> enough story to fill an hour.

      2. Carter goes looking for info to help O'Neill when he's got the Ancient database downloaded into his head. DHD on the planet is borked, earth can dial in to video chat, but Carter's team can't step back through the gate. O'Neill has to draw up instructions for a fix so Carter can repair the DHD and come back home.

      3. Anubis dials in and dumps energy through the wormhole in an attempt to blow up earth's gate. They could have just shoved a nuke through the gate and put a big honking block of lead in front of it. Problem solved. Oops, that conflicts with canon -> we have a story that will fill an hour again.

      I'm sure there are more. And now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get some real work done so I don't feel so much like a basement-dwelling loser for knowing so much Stargate lore. :)

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    39. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Twanfox · · Score: 1

      Except, that we know the environment of one such case affected the environment of another, which is why they could not close the wormhole...because a blackhole was in the alternate gates envrionment ...seriously though I think so far they have been pretty cool with coming up with ways of explaining such things especially things like mythology.

      Thing about a black hole causing a disruption in the wormhole is that you're almost merging two of the same types of phenomenon. A Stargate warps space-time in order to bridge the gap between them. A black hole also significantly distorts space-time in the area around it. It is conceivable that when these two distortions interact that the wormhole itself is affected by the result. However, this does not need to break the idea that a resistive barrier is present to stop particles that are not under a constant motive force from bridging the barrier.

      They could create a sort of tubbing that pierces the event horizons protective layer, and let the hole in the tube sticking through both sides fillup the air they need...but then again this is just a show, and not real life, so maybe there are x * x reasons for not being able to!

      You're thinking misses a problem here. A tube between the ends would not open up a window, as you're thinking it would. Instead, the tube would be cut in half with the event horizon occupying the middle of it as well as surrounding it. Additionally, it's been described in a few episodes (One in the Atlantis series is one I can recall easily) that there is a safety mechanism to transfer items 'in whole'. If you're not fully within the event horizon, it will not transfer you to the remote gate. A tube used as you describe will not have gone completely within the event horizon, and would not be showing out the other side. Even in the Stargate SG-1 series when O'Neil was after some tech thieves, when he was 'holding the gate open' by keeping his arm within the remote side, it did not remain on the originating side of the wormhole. It is a nice thought, but precedent has been established that this would not work.

    40. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      In the red-sky episode the situation was caused by the wormhole passing directly through the sun; there was no disconnection. They attempted to fix the problem by disconnecting the wormhole at a specific time, but the implication at the end is that it didn't work--it just gave the Asgard an opportunity to intervene without getting caught and risking the Protected Planet treaty. One might ask why they thought it might work, but then their understanding of the gate system evolves over time. Anyway, in the episode where Teal'c was trapped in the buffer the remote stargate was actually destroyed, not just disconnected, so the situation isn't exactly the same.

      As for transporting whole objects: The gate does transport objects in discrete packets, but any object which has already been partly dematerialized at the time it disconnects is split at the event horizon. The dematerialized part is transmitted as-is, followed by a completion code, and the part outside the gate is left behind. Where "discrete packets" comes in is that no part of the object is materialized on the other side until that completion code is received (which is where Teal'c problem came from--with the remote gate destroyed just after he passed through there was no completion code, and--absent a real DHD to compensate--he was never materialized). No object is ever partially materialized on two planets at the same time.

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    41. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      > Couldn't they just open the new gate to any planet with a good atmosphere and just top up the ship with breathable air?

      Now this, THIS is how to troll slashdot...

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    42. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      And part of the reason the humans have so many issues is that they cobbled together a control system for the Earth gate. The dialing devices have some safeguards that the Earth system doesn't, like the event that messed up the sun with the heavy metals or whatever it was. I seem to remember the Asgards saying something to that effect in that episode when they asked for help with it. And that the gate isn't supposed to shut down with an object half way through it, unless you hit the time limit, a little over 30 minutes IIRC. You see people "holding the gate open" sometimes on either side somewhat often. Overall, Stargate does a decent job of maintaining "the rules" once they establish them. They do break them sometimes, but they usually try to make up an explanation. Sometimes the explanations actually make at least as much sense as the idea of wormhole generating circles.

      Of course, they did find a dialing device on Earth, 2 of them IIRC (The Russians had one, and there was one in Antarctica). So they COULD have switched to using a real one. I don't think they ever really say why they didn't. Probably just because it would then be harder to make crap up. :)

    43. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But entirely predictable. I mean we knew he was going to die anyway with his heart problems. It was good to have him die a hero.

    44. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If SG1/A taught us anything it's that the ancients are a bunch of arrogant pricks who couldn't see their own shortcomings even when they smashed them in the face.

      "Hey isn't there a chance the Star gate could cut out when someone's only partially through and kill them? Maybe we should add some safety features..."
      "Are you kidding? We're not stupid, we're the ancients, that'll never happen, stargates are perfect! Now help me build this doomsday weapon that we know no one will ever try to use because it's just awesome to look at!"

    45. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Haxzaw · · Score: 1

      Yes, except for radio waves, those can somehow travel both ways.

    46. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Air cannot pass through or there would be a tornado every time you opened the gate. The air pressure varies significantly even on our own planet, and this would be drastically increased if traveling to other planets.

    47. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by stonefry · · Score: 1

      Shhh.... It make the show work.

    48. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by daveywest · · Score: 1

      I would assume the address for the Destiny is specifically coded in the gate system to always dial the ship when the 8 chevron address is input with the planet's home symbol for a total of 9. (I'm interested to see if this holds up in upcoming episodes.) That would mean Destiny doesn't need a home location or be orbit of a planet to dial in or out.

    49. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The Plot Device effect. You want to tell a story, not explain volumes of made up science. So you do some hand waving. The earliest Stargate episodes, including the original movie, required having Daniel Jackson as the interpreter. But that got cumbersome very fast, and it's not very interesting to have Dances With Wolves style dialogue all the time.

      Compare to the Twilight Zone; you don't see hordes of fans complaining about how the science on those episodes was never explained.

    50. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      I always marvel at how all planets appear to have the exact same atmospheric pressure all over the galaxy...

      That's not really a problem. Stargates were placed exclusively on Earth-like planets intentionally by the Ancients.

      It's every bit as surprising as how well most aliens speak English.

      That's a very serious, show stopping problem that very few people seem to notice or care about. It's also a problem other science fiction shows lack, or solve adequately. Congratulations, in a thread with over 500 comments, you were the first and only person to mention it (so far). :(

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    51. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      The earliest Stargate episodes, including the original movie, required having Daniel Jackson as the interpreter. But that got cumbersome very fast, and it's not very interesting to have Dances With Wolves style dialogue all the time.

      That's a very, very poor excuse.

      They could have come up with a perfectly adequate rationalization in season one of SG1 had they just taken the time to think of one and then stick to its implications. Now it's impossible to retroactively think of an adequate rationalization without some facet of the canon violating it.

      Lazy writing, plain and simple.

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    52. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually to be more precise, matter can travel only one way through a Gate, but energy can travel in both directions. I remember that being firmly established, but cannot cite the episode.

    53. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the particles and air in your lungs and blood? Does that go through? Cause, you know, a collapsed set of lungs isn't so easy to recover from.

      Is your bladder and colon cleaned out during the trip also?

    54. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      However, I seem to remember an episode, where a rope, had been lest trailing through from one side of the hole to another ...which to my knowledge of inanimate objects might not fall under that rule, maybe organic objects living, that could be severely damaged by such and act would not be allowed, where as a rope, or in this case a tube would be ok...???

    55. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by nosferatu1001 · · Score: 1

      Series 3, where T'ilc fires a rope through to attach to the "cave" roof while he is still on the SGC side, indicates that this safety mechanism nicely fails whenever they need it to :D

    56. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because radio waves do not travel, they vibrate the aether and spread like ripples on a pond.

    57. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by nosferatu1001 · · Score: 1

      You missed the first point - it would be sliced in half, with the event horizon in the "middle" of the tube. essentially at no point would ther be a hole from one side to the other.

    58. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Habitable planets would have similar atmospheric pressures, and it wouldn't be that difficult for the stargates to be programmed to deal with any variance.

    59. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Also, there is at least one episode I can recall where a Jaffa retreating through a gate has his staff weapon cut in half when the gate shuts off. Also in the 2nd episode of the entire series of SG-1, Kawalsky had his head cut in half by them shutting down the gate while his head was partially in the wormhole. So the whole thing about transporting entire objects as one packet seems to be not true all of the time.

      Did you get to see what happened at the other end of the wormhole for those events?

      Ring transporters can sever heads and send the severed head to the other side (though only when they come from above and pin you underneath them, not from below like most ring platforms in the series). Stargates don't. Ring transporters also allow bidirectional travel unlike stargates.

      Unless you're the animated series where your 'gates can have from 6 to as many as 12 chevrons depending on what angle you're viewing it at.

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    60. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Barny · · Score: 1

      Actually I wasn't trying to, but apparently I did.

      So they are one way, they discriminate particles based on excitation level, but are omni-directional for purposes of electromagnetic spectrum?

      So the best way to secure the area around where your gate lets out is to scout with a UAV first, then, if hostile, aim a huge magnetron into the gate, since the bad guys on the other end can't possibly come through...

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    61. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      Things do not come out of the destination gate until they have been completely disassembled by the source gate. It was covered in an episode of Atlantis at *least*, with a puddlejumper stuck half in a gate.

    62. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      That would be interesting. I haven't seen the pilot episode myself yet, so I was basing my argument on the SG-1 and SG Atlantis episodes. On the other hand, I do recall a few episodes where they were able to dial a (fixed) gate which wasn't in orbit of a planet... the Ori super-gate, for example, and all the gates making up their "Midway Station" corridor between Earth and Atlantis. In these cases, however, they always knew exactly where the remote gate was in space.

      The main problem would be that the gate has to know the precise physical location of the remote gate's planet to establish a lock. The gate address isn't an arbitrary identifier, but rather a set of spatial coordinates giving the location of the planet--as of when the gate system was set up--which the DHD translates into current coordinates to account for interstellar drift. That's why they could only dial Abydos originally; the Earth gate's translation tables were some 10,000 years out of date, and only Abydos and a few other planets were close enough to have remained at nearly the same location relative to Earth. To connect with a moving gate would seem to require that (a) the DHDs are somehow kept apprised of the target gate's location, or (b) the dialer knows the location and is able to bypass the DHD and input physical coordinates directly.

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    63. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOW,
      imagine the packer header on that protocol!

    64. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by daveywest · · Score: 1

      Based on traditional addresses, they would need a new address for the ship for each episode since the ship is supposed to be constantly in motion. That's why I'm assuming there is something special about the 9 chevron address to the Destiny.

    65. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by happylight · · Score: 1

      How did it fail? Teal'C shoots a hook with a rope through the stargate and then went through the gate himself. The hook, rope and himself were then transmitted together to the destination gate where they were integrated in order, hook first attached with rope, then Teal'C.

    66. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      > Actually I wasn't trying to, but apparently I did

      Actually the a good troll is indistinguishable from someone asking a question with a known answer.

      > So the best way to secure the area around where your gate lets out is to scout with a UAV first, then, if hostile, aim a huge magnetron into the gate, since the bad guys on the other end can't possibly come through...

      Actually there was an episode where someone aimed a particle beam at a gate.

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    67. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure they can't. Weren't there episodes where they were trapped on various motherships, but couldn't use the stargate on board to escape, as the ship was en route?

    68. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Barny · · Score: 1

      But surely, particles can only travel one way through the gate?

      Considering that a "particle" weapon would likely use some form of plasma or other highly excited form of matter for its charge, I would think the same thing stopping air getting through would stop those too.

      Guess I am too used to Science fiction that has an emphasis on Science with very little to no fiction (damn you Elizabeth Moon, damn your realistic space battles to hell).

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    69. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Barny · · Score: 1

      Even worse, imagine the MTU ;)

      So from the (pretty good) explanation...

      The stargate surface is not actually the event horizon at all, its just the part of the machine that breaks things up and puts things together, its a Modem to put it simply, the crystal circuits inside the gate interface with an event horizon via a buffer system to send and receive matter.

      What I don't understand is that presumably it breaks things up into energy, transmits it, then re-constitutes it at the other end, what about conservation of energy? What is lost in the process? Why doesn't it take MUCH more power at the receiving end to "make matter" than it takes at the sending end to break it apart?

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    70. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they're all speaking Ancientese, a language perpetuated and reinforced by an as-of-yet unknown mechanism inside the stargate. This mechanism fails on some planets due to lack of maintainence, so there's linguistic shift, and soon a need for a translator. Earth's language reinforcement mechanism failed early on, but the stargate teams have picked up ancientese over the course of the show, allowing them to speak the archetypical dialect, though they still need a trained translator for worlds where the mechanism malfunctioned or broke.

      It's never mentioned because everyone takes it for granted. The course is taught in the uninteresting backrooms of the stargate project complex, right next to the toilets and barber shops.

      There.

    71. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      Why doesn't it take MUCH more power at the receiving end to "make matter" than it takes at the sending end to break it apart

      Conservation of energy. They're very efficient with the "breaking people apart" step.

    72. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Barny · · Score: 1

      Yes, but moving the broken apart stuff from A to B without getting too much signal noise and hopefully no dropped packets should be a concern.

      And yes, efficiency at breaking apart and putting back together would be of paramount concern.

      Its not a "move" function so much as copy-delete I guess.

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    73. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      Half the puddle jumper was on one side, the other half wasn't?
      I will have to rewatch that episode, I seem to remember that half was one side,
      the other half on the other side, but I could be wrong...

    74. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Giant tank sucks and compresses air into it on the other side, is then pushed back through. That's not even futuristic technology; we can do it now (y'know, minus the Stargate). If you're really going to argue that the gate somehow cleans gasses from the traveller (which, coincidentally, would instantly kill a human by robbing their lungs of oxygen and collapsing them), cool the air enough that it becomes a liquid.

      Yes, I know, for the sake of the plot and all that.

    75. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by VShael · · Score: 1

      Matter can only move one way through the wormhole. (Energy, like radio waves, is bidirectional)
      So if they dial a gate address, they could bring air from the ship to the planet. They'd have to be ON the planet, and dial the ship, before they could bring air from the planet to the ship. And it would not just flow through, since they've dialed in the past to ocean worlds, and vacuums, and there's no influx due to pressure differentials. As someone else said, the gate doesn't allow for that. They'd have to bring it back somehow. (Pressurised containers?)

    76. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      You're wrong. If it was the way you described, they could've just all jumped through the gate and waited till it shut down. As it was, the people already on the other side would've died if they shut down the gate - thus the problem.

    77. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      The one in Antarctica was busted, the Russians owned the other dialer (and they broke it to save Tealc's life when he was trapped in the gate.)

    78. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      The wormhole draws power from subspace.

    79. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh. The Gua'uld didn't originally program the gates... the ancients did...

    80. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (guess the ancients weren't too big on safety)

      This was explained by Carter in one of the 'malfunctioning gate' episodes. Basically, we just hacked around, disabling any protocols we didn't understand that were stopping us doing stupid stuff, while trying to get the Earth gate working. Turns out they were the safety protocols.

    81. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Barny · · Score: 1

      What happens when subspace runs out of energy in an area then? Is that bad?

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    82. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      uhh... the rope was used in the black hole episode. it was not dangling through the event horizon, it was being used to lower a naquida bomb to the black hole.

    83. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      momentum is conerved so the hook flys through teh stargate and hooked onto the cave when t'ilk enters.

    84. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      um.... I didn't say that it removed things from one environment that were transported across the event horizon. I said it keeps the environments separate.

    85. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      Lack of maintenance doesn't really explain the linguistic shift scenarios such as the Jaffa and Goa'uld randomly switching between Goa'uld and "Ancientese." Surely they've all traveled through at least one gate with a working mechanism and should be fully fluent in "Ancientese." I suppose a conscious choice could be made to use one language over another, but then there's no mention of that whatsoever. On top of that, never mentioning this "Ancientese" mechanism at all because it's "taken for granted" is not acceptable. Someone would most certainly mention this. There are plenty of moments in season 1 of SG1 or the pilot where it surely would have been mentioned by at least Daniel if this were the case.

      Also, if the gate teaches everyone the Ancients' language, why is the Ancient language then constantly depicted as a distinctly separate language that nobody but Daniel (and a few others) can understand? Why would the Ancients' gate mechanism teach every gate traveller a distinctly different language than the one they used for everything else? See? There are just too many holes. Don't get me wrong, I wish it could work. I love the show. Maybe if some day there's an episode where they try to make us swallow something to the effect of this I might, maybe buy it if it's thought through well enough and covers up most of the holes. Sort of like the Klingon forehead problem on Star Trek and Enterprise's hysterical solution in season 4.

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    86. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by rbanffy · · Score: 1

      "That's not really a problem. Stargates were placed exclusively on Earth-like planets intentionally by the Ancients."

      But all at the same air pressure?

      Remember - a stargate pair at sea level and Mexico City will have quite an atmospheric effect on both sides.

      Conceivably, you could have airtight doors on the stargate room that would have to be locked before the wormhole is formed.

      And, BTW, it's very weird light can't travel through a wormhole when radio waves can

    87. Re:SPOILER!!!!!! by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      There's no reason to assume there isn't something in the Stargate that prepares you for air pressure changes. Same can be said for filtering certain parts of the light spectrum (visible light) but not others (radio). They could have designed the gates this way on purpose.

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  5. Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Hercynium · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stargate: Why simply beat a dead horse where it lay, when you can transport it anywhere in the universe?

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    1. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by ConallB · · Score: 1

      I agree. There is nothing new to see here... move the budget along to something better.

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    2. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      I find it difficult to believe that any SG-1 fan could be as happy as the submitter.

      I find it difficult to believe that any fan of Atlantis could be as happy of the submitter. Atlantis had its faults, but it was at least true to the series. This feels a lot more like the "Enterprise" of the Stargate world than the "Voyager."

    3. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wasn't fond of SG1 or Atlantis, despite having loved the film, but I thought that Universe was a decent pilot. Remains to be seen whether it will continue to keep my attention.

    4. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by H3lldr0p · · Score: 2, Informative

      FLAW: It's only about 50 million LYs from here to the edge of the universe. (suspension of disbelief just broke)

      You're off by a factor of a thousand.

    5. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "FLAW: It's only about 50 million LYs from here to the edge of the universe."

      Seriously? I think you need to go look at some astronomy textbooks from the last century or so.

    6. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Deus777 · · Score: 1

      I got the impression from the route they showed that the ship wasn't traveling straight out from the source, it appeared to zig-zag around a bit. That could make up the extra distance.

      Plus, how do we know how big the universe is? My understanding is that we only know how large the visible universe is, which is restricted by the speed of light and the length of time since the big bang. If space expanded faster than the speed of light following the big bang, how would we know how much space is out there?

    7. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by UziBeatle · · Score: 1

      I'll probably reveal how old I am in this post.

        I watched the new version of Stargate with some trepidation on Friday.

        It was good enough for a 3 out of 5 rating for me however that said.....

        It was the ending that revealed to me this was a boring rehash of a premise from long ago..

        Space 1999. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_1999 for you kids out there.
            (Yah, verily, I'm old enough to have watched that series when it was 'new' and we LIKED it. Just like
      gramps in that SNL skit).

          However this new rehashed SG-1 version has more 'scientific merit' which is a perk, plus better special effects.

        That said, this rehash has lackluster actors and nothing to remotely resemble
        Barbara Bain or Victor Bergman (that science adviser.)

        So, by the end of the show when I fully realized the premise it dawned on me it would be
      painful to watch any further episodes.

        So, in summary. Yawn.

       

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    8. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Weedhopper · · Score: 3, Informative

      Good summary. Here are the random thoughts that popped into my head during the premiere:

      - That ship traveled the distance of about ~50 galaxies in 10,000 years. According to scientists there's about 3 million LYs between each galaxy, so the ship covered that's 150 million lightyears. FLAW: It's only about 50 million LYs from here to the edge of the universe. (suspension of disbelief just broke)

      O RLY?

      The lower bound for the diameter size of the universe is 78 BILLION LYs.

      The VISIBLE (observable) universe is a little under 50 (again) BILLION LYs in any direction.

    9. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 13+ Billion LYs to the edge of the observable universe.

    10. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ``edge of the universe'' as we know it (how does one define that anyway? farthest object we can see is not the edge. heck, maybe there's even something beyond that microwave radiation).

      The ``seeding stargates'' concept is actually pretty neat. If you wanted to have every planet in the universe to have a stargate how would you do it? You can fly one by one, and plant one (this would take forever), or you could have 100 ships sent to 100 planets, each of those would use local resources to each build 100 ships and send out to other planets... with such geometric rate, you can cover the universe fairly quickly (essentially faster than speed of light---since you're doing it in all directions at the same time, while you're traveling at the speed of light [or in stargate universe, probably faster than speed of light]).

    11. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Getting the diameter of the universe wrong is perfectly understandable. I certainly can't remember every fact like that off the top of my head.

      The odd thing is that when doing the math, the conclusion that the universe is less than 50 galaxies across didn't strike you as... obviously wrong. I mean, you've seen the Hubble Deep Field, right? There are tons and tons of galaxies between us and the edge of visible space.

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    12. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Ooops. I read too fast and thought it said million not billion.

      Okay so the ship is still inside the universe. Interesting. That means it would take that ship about 3 million years to go from the Milky Way to the edge. It would have needed to be launched back when the poles were still ice free, and the dominant lifeform was an ape that ate raw meat (and therefore got smarter).

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    13. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      The VISIBLE (observable) universe is a little under 50 (again) BILLION LYs in any direction.

      Citation needed. My recollection is that the Universe is approximately "only" 15 billion years old.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe/

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    14. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Weedhopper · · Score: 1

      Citation needed and you site a wiki page? Why don't you just type "wiki size of universe" into your location bar?

      Oh, fuck it:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe#Size.2C_age.2C_contents.2C_structure.2C_and_laws

      Although the universe is only 13.5 billion yrs old, the universe is bigger than 13.5 billion light years due to the expansion of space itself.

    15. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Somehow, I don't think this episode is reason to say one way or another. They have beaten various enemies for 15 series now of SG1 and SG:A, it's getting old. Last in the movies they defeated a race of ancients called the Ori, where do you go from there? I don't know, but at least this episode gave me hope they'll find something inventive to do with the series. They're back to a small crew, far from home and without backup from earth. Let me put it this way, if they pull a SG:A and start doing gate and hyperspace travel back to the Milky Way this series is over. And maybe they please find more decisive enemies than the Cylons? Great series, but definitely a season too long.

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    16. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by vlm · · Score: 1

      That ship traveled the distance of about ~50 galaxies in 10,000 years. According to scientists there's about 3 million LYs between each galaxy, so the ship covered that's 150 million lightyears. FLAW: It's only about 50 million LYs from here to the edge of the universe.

      You remember that scene from "the wrath of khan" where Spock said Kahns behavior indicated two dimensional thinking, so Kirk maneuvered in the third dimension to sneak up on him? As a side issue, the entire ST world seems to be two dimensional and in addition all ships and lifeforms share the same "up" dimension, which makes it weirdly unwatchable after you notice it...

      You can quite easily travel over a one dimensional path 150 units long, in a three dimensional cube 50 units on a side, assuming the galaxies aren't all lined up conveniently in a straight line...

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    17. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      cite. Of course, the stuff past the edge of the universe (such as that means anything) is a complete unknown - the big bang theory is speculation and without FTL and a lot of time, we simply don't have any idea if we're right about a lot of things. It may be that the universe we know is 15B years old and that it's simply something that happens from time to time - could be that 100B light years in some direction, there's another big bang forming now.

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    18. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Barbara Bain or Victor Bergman

      Just an FYI for the kiddies out there (as I'm sure you're aware of it). You're mixing up your actors and characters:
      Barbara Bain was the actress. She portrayed Dr. Helena Russell. Barry Morse portrayed Moonbase Alpha's lead scientist, Professor Victor Bergman

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    19. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Weedhopper · · Score: 1

      That's also a misunderstanding what the term "observable universe" means as well as a strange definition for the term "speculation." And no, that's not how it works with the "big bang," either.

    20. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      I'm calling it speculation because we as a species don't really have the perspective to know what's really going on at this scale and probably won't know until we have outposts that span the galaxy. I don't follow your reasoning about the observable universe being a misconception - current cosmology assumes light speed as the absolute limit for us humans, so discovering FTL in some form could extend our ability to observe past the stated 50B ly.

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    21. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Weedhopper · · Score: 1

      Your use of the word speculation indicate to me that to you, science is nothing more than highly organized magic.

      Our understanding make this no more or less speculation than what makes your GPS function accurately or the semiconductors in the computer on which you wrote sending electrons in the right direction. This is done through observation, experimentation, et al.

      This is a rigorous process and not just speculation. Because YOU can't understand or wrap your mind around supercluster scale structures and size doesn't mean there are others than can't.

      As for the observable universe, please review your definition of "universe" because I fear we're not on the same page and don't have much of a basis for a meaningful discussion.

    22. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if you could SLIDE to a THOUSAND DIFFERENT WORLDS? And what if you couldn't find your way home?

    23. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I just rewatched some Space 1999 and the things I found cringeworthy as a child are now just painful. They are moving fast enough that they can get between star systems (conservative estimate, a couple of light years apart, so at least 2C, probably closer to 20-40C, but still somehow possible with a reaction drive). When they get close to a planet, their Eagles can take off, land on the planet and then match speed with the moon, but somehow these same Eagles were not able to take them back to Earth when they were still within the solar system. You don't just need willing suspension of disbelief, you need willing suspension of cognitive function for that show.

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    24. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Hardly. GPS is accomplished via a process that, while abstract, is verifiable. Cosmology is a bit different - we can make predictions and confirm them (or not), but our perspective is so limited as to be a point source. We will probably require significant revisions in our theory once we have the ability to move to other parts of our spiral arm at the least.

      I can wrap my head around supercluster scale objects, but it's fairly clear that we have a lot of things that are poorly defined, and that's largely informed by our being stuck in one place.

      As for the observable universe, please review your definition of "universe" because I fear we're not on the same page and don't have much of a basis for a meaningful discussion.

      Well, let's see, the universe is everything, and the observable part is what we can possibly interact with. We're pretty sure that we aren't seeing the whole thing, and we won't be able to change that without Ancient-class FTL tech and a lot of time. The edge is 50B light years or so off, and that's a lot, even if you can get to the next galaxy over in a year or two.

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    25. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by NoobixCube · · Score: 1

      Just wait until the next episode where they inadvertantly anger a powerful league/race/empire of beings who will dog their trail at every step.

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    26. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation needed. My recollection is that the Universe is approximately "only" 15 billion years old.

      I hate use my own name in vein but, God damn your old!!!

      Anyway...
      Citation needed. My recollection is the Universe was created 5700 to 10,000 years ago.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

      I was there. I created the damn thing.

      -God

    27. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... given the universe is estimates to be 14billion years old, seeing something 50 billion light years away would a rather clever trick.

    28. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The big bang has not been proven to have taken place and almost certainly never will be due to the extreme levels of energy required to recreate the singularity that is thought to have been the origin. However, observing the expanding universe tells us that rewinding time ~13.7 billion years back everything in the universe collapses in to one single point. And to all creationist nuts out there, this is why it's called a Theory. Because it's impossible to prove. Just to prove the existence of Strings (string-/m-theory) you would have to build a particle accelerator the size of the milky way itself in order to reach the incredible amounts of energy required to do so. To recreate the big bang singularity near-infinite amounts of energy would be required.

      And another point I'd like to make is to the earlier comment about the universe not having a radius of more than 14 billion years because of the known age of the universe vs the fixed speed of light. We know that the universe is expanding. And observations tell us that the expansion is in fact accelerating despite of force of gravity pulling everything together. And presumably has done so since the very start. Scientists attributes this on something called Dark Energy. There's nothing evil, magic or occult about it, it just needed a name. We know that some kind of energy is accelerating the expansion, we just can't see it. Hence, Dark Energy. Which leads me to the point that I was going for, the universe has a radius that is vastly larger than 14 billion lightyears. Since the initial speed of expansion was light speed, and the expansion has constantly accelerated it is obvious that the universe is much much larger than R=14 billion LY. You might bring relativity into this and say that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, which is true. But when the universe itself is the thing that is traveling faster than light, relativity remains intact. Don't bother arguing with me about it without reading up on advanced particle physics and current astronomy/cosmology first.

      As for the observable universe defenition I would define it as the part of the universe relative to us that isn't expanding away from us at the speed of light or faster. Whether we can see that far or not is just a matter of optics. Further than that it's all black because all the light is traveling away from us.

    29. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      Plus the whole concept of the observable universe stops having any bearing when you consider the sci-fi scenario of travelling faster than light, so likely their observable universe depends entirely on the top speed of that ship.

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    30. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by rossdee · · Score: 1

      And then you end up with all the planets eaten up by stargate creating robots.
      (If you make replicators, you'd better design them with an off switch)

    31. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Good summary. Here are the random thoughts that popped into my head during the premiere:

      - How many stargates did the Ancients "seed" if the ship was only one day away from one of them? There must be trillions of them scattered around.

      - Stargate Atlantis is to Star Trek DS9, as Stargate Universe is to Voyager. I'd rather have season 6 of Atlantis.

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    32. Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. by GravityStar · · Score: 1

      You mean galaxy, not universe. Universe is *everything*. And the Milky Way is the way we see the plane of our galaxy.

      Anyway, Destiny has been traveling from galaxy to galaxy during its mission. So, it's no longer in our galaxy.

  6. babylon 5 by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd still like to see a B5 feature film. Too bad that JMS hasn't been up to it since the passing of Andreas Katsulas and Richard Biggs. I still think that B5 is rather underrated/unknown in the general population (although it has a large following here on /.) and suspect that it could do very well at the box office with the right storyline.

    I've watched a lot of Sci-Fi but I always wind up coming back to B5. It's the only series that I care enough about to invest the money to buy up all the DVDs. I can still pick up new things when I re-watch the series. How do you go wrong with characters like Londo, G'Kar and Garibaldi?

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    1. Re:babylon 5 by _PimpDaddy7_ · · Score: 1

      B5 WAS an excellent show.

      I borrowed a co-workers VHS tapes to watch the show because at the time, I missed the first 2 seasons or so.

      I was extremely hooked on the show. It's characters, the writing, the time arc - it was very well done. Some day I will own the whole show and rewatch it.

      I wonder if it would be possibly to do a new show post B5, maybe set 100 years later or something.

    2. Re:babylon 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      B5 WAS an excellent show.

      I borrowed a co-workers VHS tapes to watch the show because at the time, I missed the first 2 seasons or so.

      I was extremely hooked on the show. It's characters, the writing, the time arc - it was very well done. Some day I will own the whole show and rewatch it.

      I wonder if it would be possibly to do a new show post B5, maybe set 100 years later or something.

      Well a follow-up series was attempted, but for various reasons only about 13 episodes were made.

    3. Re:babylon 5 by Sockatume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This whole thread is off-topic, but I'll bite. B5 has had several straight-to-DVD feature films, trying to tie events in the mythology together into an entertaining story. The trouble is that they have to be moments away from the main mythology, or which were overlooked in the main story for presumably very good reasons, and are generally not as satisfying as the series itself was. You could re-do the main plot as a film, but it wouldn't be an epic any more.

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      No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
    4. Re:babylon 5 by gedrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm a huge B5 fan, but we just can't keep looking for it to come back. The show, I'd even argue the entire setting, was built to run its story, and it did that job very well. Given the quality of what's come after, I'd be very wary of a B5 feature. That said, don't let your love of B5 blind you to something good that might come along. Before B5, nearly every sci-fi out there lived in the shadow of StarTrek, and B5 suffered for that shadow. I think it's fair to compare SGU to SGA and SG-1. It's probably just as fair to compare it to a recent contemporary that likely will share some of the same character dynamics (There's a Gould on the ship.), BSG. However, just like not everything can/could be StarTrek, not everything can/could/should be B5.

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    5. Re:babylon 5 by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Informative

      >>>I still think that B5 is rather underrated/unknown in the general population

      Actually B5's Nielsen Ratings (viewership) were only 1% below that of Star Trek DS9, and equal to Hercules and Xena, so it's about as well known as those shows in terms of how many people saw them.

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    6. Re:babylon 5 by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be the same. The War against the First Ones only happens once in the entire span of the universe. Anything other time period in B5 History simply wouldn't be as interesting.

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    7. Re:babylon 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I wonder if it would be possibly to do a new show post B5, maybe set 100 years later or something.

      All you have to do is find the funding, give JMS complete creative control, and somehow pry him away from all the other movie writing gigs that he's landed since Changeling. Oh, and make sure he doesn't direct; he's not that good at it (witness The Lost Tales; several shots where the camera follows the person who isn't speaking in a conversation). You need to get Mike Vejar to direct, at a minimum.

      The loss of Biggs and Katsulas hurts, but it is not crippling. It was established that everyone went their separate ways at the end of the series. Also, several spinoff pilots were made (Crusade, Legend of the Rangers), so it's not like there aren't plot hooks. And, of course, I'd bet that Walter Koenig would sign up in a second.

      Money and time, that's all you need. Like for everything.

    8. Re:babylon 5 by TheReverandND · · Score: 0

      B5 is without a doubt the most underrated Sci-Fi show. And come on what about Zathros? And I really could have done without Sinclair, but the story couldn't have.

    9. Re:babylon 5 by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wonder if it would be possibly to do a new show post B5, maybe set 100 years later or something.

      They tried at two spin-offs.

      One was Crusade which took place either a couple of years after the final season or concurrently with the final season. It was alright but got messed around by the network and was cancelled after 1-2 seasons.

      The other was Legend of the Rangers. I believe this took place further down the line after Crusade, as GKar was done with his walk-about from the series finale and his telepath companion had left him. However this attempt only made it so far as a pilot TV movie. It wasn't bad and attempted to bring in a new race of antagonists whose followers believed they were were "somehow" older than the Vorlons and Shadows.

    10. Re:babylon 5 by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually I found the Shadow War to be much less compelling than the Earth Alliance Civil War. One can only imagine what JMS would have done with that if he had devoted Season 5 to it (as originally planned) instead of compressing it into Season 4.

      I wouldn't mind seeing a story where the megalomaniac Sheridan got his comeuppance. Rebelling against Earth because a dictator comes to power and shreds the Constitution is one thing. Creating your own private army filled with outsiders and imposing "take it or leave it" terms on Earth after said dictator has been dealt with is another thing entirely. If Sheridan had any loyalty to Earth whatsoever he should have turned over some of his toys after Clark ate his own PPG.

      In the same vain it would be nice to see Delenn knocked down a peg or two. There are quite a few Minbari in the B5 story that I found it easy to sympathize with (Neroon). Delenn was not one of them. At best she was a religious fanatic willing to condemn billions of people to death because of prophesy. At worst she was every bit as delusional as Sheridan and saw herself as being fit to rule the Galaxy and "keep the peace" (at gunpoint, interesting concept that) between the younger races.

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    11. Re:babylon 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I wonder if it would be possibly to do a new show post B5, maybe set 100 years later or something.

      It was only set a couple years later, but there was Crusade, and it was bad. (Who's to blame can be debated, but the end result I think we can agree on.)

      If you want more B5 your best bet are the books -- the Legions of Fire and Psy Corps trilogies are excellent. Every other B5-related thing (except for In the Beginning) has been, frankly, disappointing.

    12. Re:babylon 5 by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Actually B5's Nielsen Ratings (viewership) were only 1% below that of Star Trek DS9, and equal to Hercules and Xena, so it's about as well known as those shows in terms of how many people saw them.

      That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Suppose 1000 people per week tuned into both shows. Further, suppose B5 appealed to rabid fans who tuned in every week, and Xena appealed to a crowd of people who watched only one episode. That would mean that at the end of the year, there would be 1000 people who knew of Babylon 5, but 52,000 people who knew of Xena.

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    13. Re:babylon 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      JMS was royally ripped off by WB. Even the 'low budget' DVD that he came out with last year 'lost money'. I doubt he is in any hurry to play with it anymore. I think after writing/producing/directing large portions of the show he wants his cut which is owed to him. WB has taken the money and ran with it and gave him a pittance in return instead of the percentages he is owed. There is a reason Hollywood is devoid of good ideas. They rip off the people with the wherewithal to come up with coherent ideas. They realize this and move on to other things.

      He also stated if they do make anymore they are going to do it right. Instead of penny pinching it like they did on the last DVD.

      Also the 'story' is done. At this point it would be beating a dead horse. I enjoyed the spin offs an what not but they just are not the same and just serve to remind me that there is no more 'b5'.

    14. Re:babylon 5 by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Informative

      >>>One can only imagine what JMS would have done with that if he had devoted Season 5 to it (as originally planned) instead of compressing it into Season 4.
      >>>

      No need to imagine since JMS already answered this question a couple times. He:

      - Moved the season 4 cliffhnager (where Sheridan is betrayed by Garibaldi and captured) from episodes 422 to 418.
      - He moved episodes 501, 502, and 503 to the end of season 4.
      - He left the rest of the season 5 story intact.

      >>>I wouldn't mind seeing a story where the megalomaniac Sheridan got his comeuppance.

      Except in the official B5 history, Sheridan stepped down as president and handed the reins over to somebody else, just as George Washington peaceably handed the control over to John Adams, rather than turn himself into a king. The ISA is supposed to be a democratic organization, much like the United Federation of Planets in Star Trek. ----- And turning over your whitestars or galaxy-class cruisers to Earth's president would make about as much sense as the U.S. giving nuclear weapons to the State of Texas, so Texas could go-around conquering Kansas and Arizona and Colorado. No. You don't turn-over your central weapons to the lower-level member states, else how would you keep them inline?

      One story that might be interesting is circa 2700 when the Earth devolves into an anti-alien, fear-mongering society and effectively secedes from the Alliance.

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    15. Re:babylon 5 by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Xena fans are just as rabid as B5 fans, so your idea doesn't really make much sense. \

      Anyway the actual numbers would have been 4 million U.S. homes watching B5/Xena/Hercules and about 5 million homes watching DS9, week-after-week. Star Trek TNG had a loyal following of 10-11 million homes each week; ditto Star Trek TOS.

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    16. Re:babylon 5 by Dadoo · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be the same. The War against the First Ones only happens once in the entire span of the universe.

      Why couldn't they do one set a few thousand years in the future, where there's another up-and-coming race, and we become the "First Ones", or at least the Shadows/Vorlons. It would basically be the same story, from a different perspective. History repeats itself.

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    17. Re:babylon 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny you should mention it, as I've actually been rewatching it recently. Half-way through season four atm.

      That's a shame about Andreas Katsulas and Richard Biggs; I hadn't heard. It's rare to find scifi acting of that caliber, and it really helped make the series what it was. :(

    18. Re:babylon 5 by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Sheridan stepped down as president and handed the reins over to somebody else, just as George Washington peaceably handed the control over to John Adams

      Except George Washington didn't hand the Presidency over to Martha, did he?

      And turning over your whitestars or galaxy-class cruisers to Earth's president would make about as much sense as the U.S. giving nuclear weapons to the State of Texas, so Texas could go-around conquering Kansas and Arizona and Colorado.

      Except the ISA isn't the same as the United States. The ISA as I understand it takes no position on the internal affairs of it's members. It exists to keep the peace between them. The Centauri were initially members of the ISA and they had slavery of all things. Hardly compatible with the lofty notions expressed by G'Kar, is it?

      You don't turn-over your central weapons to the lower-level member states, else how would you keep them inline?

      Except that Sheridan swore an oath to Earth. He didn't swear an oath to some interstellar alliance designed to keep Earth "in line". It's arguable that he was following his oath when he rebelled against Clark (the US military is sworn to protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic, Earthforce probably operates under a similar oath). It's his actions after Clark was defeated that I take issue with. He set himself up as above his home planet and threatened it with his private warfleet to get it to go along with his designs. That's many things but I don't think it's particularly Washington-like.

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    19. Re:babylon 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is stated a few times that humans and the other "younger races" won't be up to "first ones" status until a million years have passed. One episode also revealed that Earth got smacked down to a pretty primitive state a few hundred years after the events of Babylon 5.

    20. Re:babylon 5 by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      B5 helped break episodic television. Everything was like Seinfeld and Star Trek: the Next Generation. What happened last week doesn't have anything to do with whats going on this week, or next week. Whereas now you'll even see pre-planned story arcs on freaking prime time dramas (Desperate Housewives).

    21. Re:babylon 5 by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I'd still like to see a B5 feature film. Too bad that JMS hasn't been up to it since the passing of Andreas Katsulas and Richard Biggs.

      As much as I like B5, it's dead jim and it needs to stay that way.

      The premise behind B5 was good as well as seasons 1 to 4 although 4 was a little rushed (this was due to the studio's, the 2nd half of season 4 was meant to be season 5 at least according to JMS's commentary on the DVDs). B5 was campy, terrible scripting, acting was OK but nothing special so why do we remember B5 with such fondness? Well the stories were great, long story arc's were practically unheard of, characters were well written (although I still maintain that everyone except Londo were 1 dimensional), It was ground breaking sci-fi (or Space Opera if you prefer) which set the ground rules for long story arc's in every sci-fi show since then.

      But all this being said his later works weren't that good. Season 5 was barely watch-able, the TV movies were slightly worse and the latest one (a call to arms) is not worth watching at all. B5 needs to stay dead and a reboot will be any better. What we need are more original stories in Sci-Fi but that wont happen whilst hollywood maintains it's stranglehold on creativity.

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    22. Re:babylon 5 by master_p · · Score: 1

      Oh please...can we have a true sci-fi series? one that the captain does not save the universe, there are no love stories and nobody has drinking problems? one that does not involve a war and aliens fighting for supremacy?

      I like B5, but it's a long way from a proper sci-fi series...

    23. Re:babylon 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, I want to see the epic saga of amino acids forming over 100s of years, just to be wiped out by a stream of lava.

    24. Re:babylon 5 by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>Except George Washington didn't hand the Presidency over to Martha, did he?

      Only because of the time period when women were forbidden from running. However in today's U.S. I could easily imagine a situation where Hillary Clinton won the presidency after Bill had retired from it.

      >>>ISA exists to keep the peace between them.

      Right... and that's why the ISA kept the whitestars rather than share them with Earth or any other member.

      >>>Except that Sheridan swore an oath to Earth

      Yes, and then Earth turned its back on him, and tried to imprison Sheridan after the civil war was done. QED I consider that oath to be nullified... just the same as a contract is nullified when the opposite party violates its terms. ----- Also did Sheridan swear an oath "to earth" or to the Earth Alliance constitution? There's a difference. A government that violates the constitution need not be obeyed.

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    25. Re:babylon 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the UK more people watched Xena and Hercules than B5 by far.

      I think that B5's strength was also its weakness. The continuing story, massive story arcs, made it very difficult to join the series part way through, yet also made it such good TV.

      Series like DS9 tried to emulate this to an extent, but the popularity of shows like TNG etc are more due to the stand-alone nature of the episodes - you can dip in and out of the series without losing too much.

      Scheduling is a common problem for sci-fi and fantasy, and some of the best show seem doomed to failure by the stations before they are broadcast - Firefly is one example, and somehow Farscape got through 4 seasons before being scrapped prematurely.

      Sadly, I think networks do not really care for sci-fi.

  7. I loved it! by ionix5891 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have to say it kept me on edge of seat grinning, the detail and visuals were stunning, the music was very very well done!

    As for the characters, the acting was quite good, i can see some of them growin

    Im delighted to have a new Stargate to watch, and this new direction
    lets be honest SG1 last seasons and SGA got very tired and boring

    Thats what i love about this, I dont feel like im watchin yet another McGuiver episode or can predict the ending by watching the first few minutes

    Stargate Universe has what was lost about Season 2 of SG1, not knowing what happens when you step thru the gate! last few seasons of Atlantis were diabolical imho

    Its different and i like the new direction :)

    1. Re:I loved it! by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      ... i like the new direction :)

      I was highly disturbed when they brought in the Ori as a contemporary enemy equivalent to Iraq/Afghanistan and Muslim terrorists ... an evil religion -- but finally they see the light and reject their path? I mean how far can they go with bias and simplification?

      I wonder how they'll bring Obama in. Maybe I'm just over-interpreting.

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    2. Re:I loved it! by decep · · Score: 1

      I wonder how they'll bring Obama in. Maybe I'm just over-interpreting.

      Ra and Apophis' other brother Obama? Glowing eyes, god-like voice, throwing words around like "insolence" all the time. Hey, I would watch it...

      Sounds like you have yourself a pilot.

    3. Re:I loved it! by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      SG lost the plot when they had to keep stopping them using the technology or powers they had to make the plot last 50 minutes ....

      It became either how do we cripple them this week, or how do we make even more powerful enemies ....

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    4. Re:I loved it! by ionix5891 · · Score: 1

      Yeh :(

      it become more about flying around in spaceships than going thru the bloody gate

    5. Re:I loved it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to spell... "MacGyver".

    6. Re:I loved it! by tgd · · Score: 1

      Did you miss the first eight seasons?

      Stargate (movie) and SG-1 were always about the power of religion to control people. The Ori were more in line with that then the Replicators were.

      Atlantis missed the boat on that whole subtext as well, but was a "fun" series, IMO.

    7. Re:I loved it! by JSBiff · · Score: 1

      "As for the characters, the acting was quite good, i can see some of them growin"

      At the risk of speaking heresy on /., I'd like to point out that it's hard to judge a show by the first episode, sometimes, or even the first season of a show. I recently started watching SG1 on Hulu, and I gotta say, I almost didn't make it through the first season. The first season was, really, not that interesting to me. But, the show kept growing, and somewhere in the 2nd Season, started to seem a lot more interesting. The characters got more interesting, the acting and effects got better, and most importantly, the story lines started getting more entertaining.

      Heck, I've been watching some early Episodes of Star Trek: TNG lately (via Netflix DVDs), and I gotta say, the show seems pretty hit-or-miss in the first season. The pilot episode seemed very lame and contrived to me. Too much 'preaching' by Jean-Luc (of course, the contrivance of the "Q" character forced this). I don't remember disliking the Deanna Troy character this much (although, when original ST:TNG was on air, I didn't really start watching until later seasons, so, quite possibly, the character improved in that time). I've since heard other people say they disliked the first couple seasons of TNG, so I'm not alone.

      Let's hope that, maybe, SG:U lasts long enough to grow into a great Sci Fi show.

    8. Re:I loved it! by mR.bRiGhTsId3 · · Score: 1

      Really? Because I see parallels between the Ori and the Crusades. A backward and primitive people (Ori home galaxy residents vs. Peasants) are shuffled off far from their homes to make war against a socially and technology more advanced society (Humanity/Jaffah vs the Arabs) for the betterment of the Church (Ori vs the Catholic Church), where they are initially successful, but ultimately repulsed.
      I can completely understand your viewpoint, but I don't think it necessarily what they are thinking. People doing bad things for the sake of religion is an age old problem as well as those few realizing that its not the right thing to do. I remember a great scene between Tolen and a Prior where Tolen starts to question the wisdom of the Ori's path.

    9. Re:I loved it! by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      I sort of agree you can't judge a show by its first episode.. Encounter at Farpoint was deadful. OTOH 2-3 episodes in the actors should be getting into their parts, you've discerned where the show is going and inflicting much more than that of a bad show on yourself is just not worth it.

      There's a number of shows that haven't got their feet yet.. Warehouse 13 is on the third (ish) episode here and I've already decided to leave it until the second series. Flashback(? forget the name.. just came out last week) had a really lame first episode but I'm giving it a couple of weeks to get interesting. Fringe is starting the third (I think) series here and may be worth a second look after I abandoned it halfway through the first series, to see if it's got any better.

      My worry about SGU when it shows here (Thursday IIRC) is that there's so much backstory they've got to live up to even if it's reasonably good it'll feel like a disappointment.

    10. Re:I loved it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watching it with my brother, when the guy grabs the suit case we speculated over what it was.

      "Nuclear device, they seem to solve everything with a nuke".

      "Naa, it is a Dell XPS laptop. They use them to solve everything."

      Seriously, last season of SG1 they were just short of throwing the XPS laptop through the stargate at teh start of the show and have it wipe out the Ori on it's own. At least one episode it had more airtime then some of the main cast.

      Personally I liked the show. I hope they keep it dark, and somewhat sinister. Not all cartoony "solved in 60 minutes" type shows of Atlantis or final seasons of SG1.

    11. Re:I loved it! by breeze95 · · Score: 1

      "Thats what i love about this, I dont feel like im watchin yet another McGuiver episode or can predict the ending by watching the first few minutes Stargate Universe has what was lost about Season 2 of SG1, not knowing what happens when you step thru the gate! last few seasons of Atlantis were diabolical imho"

      You are basing a lot of assumptions on a pilot episode. let's wait and see if they will fall back to the old tried and true stuff.

    12. Re:I loved it! by vu2lid · · Score: 1

      I thought it was disappointing for a pilot episode. I know it is too early (may be it will improve). A combination of the bad elements from SGA and BSG ! Stereotyping of people who work in technology and science. Looks like they plan to stretch it like BSG.

  8. Commercials, What Commercials? by k0ldsh4d0wz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who still wastes their time watching commercials?

    1. Re:Commercials, What Commercials? by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

      I need to stay informed about products relevant to me! Like basement flood insurance (with all this technology down here in my Mom's basement, it could be catastrophic!), weekly PathMark specials (once in a while Hot Pockets are buy one get one FREE!), and of course new breakthroughs in acne medication (One day, I too shall have a girlfriend).

  9. Evil Doctor by StarWreck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dr. Nicholas Rush seems to just be playing the part of D. Zachary Smith from Lost in Space.

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    1. Re:Evil Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      An effeminate pedophile?

    2. Re:Evil Doctor by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 1

      But it's been so long since Lost in Space came out that most people either don't remember Dr. Smith, or don't even know who you're talking about. :)

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    3. Re:Evil Doctor by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Sadly, I do remember Dr. Smith... from the first run!

      The really evil thing is, he was the most memorable character in the show!

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    4. Re:Evil Doctor by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      But it's been so long since Lost in Space came out that most people either don't remember Dr. Smith, or don't even know who you're talking about. :)

      Oh Woe is Me! Come along you despicable robot!

      Oh god no, please do not resurrect that show. they even screwed up a possibly good Movie that could have had a sequel with the horrid writing they used in that series.

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    5. Re:Evil Doctor by Genom · · Score: 1

      He does seem like a cross between Lost in Space's Dr. Smith and Baltar from the BSG remake, only for some reason less fun to watch.

    6. Re:Evil Doctor by StarWreck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure the Robot was the most memorable character on the show

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    7. Re:Evil Doctor by Zen_Sorcere · · Score: 1

      I thought the first episode was like BSG crossed with Voyager. Dr. Rush appears to have too many similarities to Baltar for my comfort. I, for one, thought the premise was a little weak. Didn't grab me, nor did any of the characters seem that interesting. I was completely bored with the Senator's sacrifice moment, too. I'll watch a couple more episodes to see if it comes together.

    8. Re:Evil Doctor by jpmorgan · · Score: 1

      Evil Doctor? I would think most denizens of /. would like Dr. Rush. Sure he has his own agenda, somewhat, but he doesn't strike me as evil. Most of the show consists of him running around trying to figure out how to keep everybody alive while everybody else gets in his way because they're pissed at him.

    9. Re:Evil Doctor by cashman73 · · Score: 1
      If the character development can come through with this show, I think it'll be good. But that's key. Part of what made SG-1 and Atlantis successful was the presence of good, compelling, and "likeable" characters -- O'Neill, Carter, Daniel Jackson, Rodney McKay, Shephard (just to name a few). They made those two series. It was good to see O'Nell, Carter, and Jackson at the beginning here, but a couple of cameos aren't going to define Stargate Universe. And I think we need a few more episodes to help shape the new cast, so I'm not judging. What I've seen so far, I think there's some good and bad. I wasn't all that impressed with the Senator -- he was mostly a bumbling idiot and I'm kind of glad to see him killed off. His daughter has potential, and it'll be interesting to see who she hooks up with on the show -- but they have to be careful not to let her scenes turn into Stargate 90210. The fat, mother's-basement-dwelling nerd is, actually, kind of a "likeable" character, and could develop more. He's one to watch, oddly enough. Dr. Rush, so far, seems quite mysterious, and I'm not sure what to make of him yet. Will he be able to work with the others, or will he always be kind of on the fringes of things, never really truly accepted by the rest, kind of like Baltar? So, I'm not sure if he's a "good guy" or a "bad guy" yet,... As for the others, I can't say much. We'll see how they fit into things.

      Bottom line: SG-U is watchable, and somewhat entertaining for now. As for how long it will last, and whether it will live up the same as SG-1 and Atlantis; that has yet to be proven. We'll see.

    10. Re:Evil Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never fear! RUSH is here!

    11. Re:Evil Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Oh the pain, the pain of it all!

    12. Re:Evil Doctor by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Rush seems like a much more interesting and complex character than Baltar. He clearly has an agenda that doesn't involve money or the nearest attractive woman. I'm suspecting based on the photo that it's some sort of "beloved died and can only be ressurrected by Ancient technology" thing. But in any event, when the MIT kid asked him if he wasn't even bothered by people dying, Rush didn't sound like the typical "I'm evil for the sake of evil" bad guy.

      And for those folks who think BSG had a better story arc than SG, no way. I think the world of BSG, it was really well done, but a while back by happenstance I saw an ad for the SG original series for about $140 on DVD, bought it, have been watching it ever since, and love it. The story arcs are just brilliant.

    13. Re:Evil Doctor by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      Rush seems like a much more interesting and complex character than Baltar. He clearly has an agenda that doesn't involve money or the nearest attractive woman. I'm suspecting based on the photo that it's some sort of "beloved died and can only be ressurrected by Ancient technology" thing. But in any event, when the MIT kid asked him if he wasn't even bothered by people dying, Rush didn't sound like the typical "I'm evil for the sake of evil" bad guy.

      Go'auld. /mystery

      In all seriousness, he definitely seems like a moustache-twirling villain, right down to the opportunistic powerplay right from the start. Whether he's a Baltar or a Ba'al clone, dude's up to no good.

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    14. Re:Evil Doctor by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      I thought the first episode was like BSG crossed with Voyager. Dr. Rush appears to have too many similarities to Baltar for my comfort.

      I, for one, thought the premise was a little weak. Didn't grab me, nor did any of the characters seem that interesting. I was completely bored with the Senator's sacrifice moment, too. I'll watch a couple more episodes to see if it comes together.

      Bored with the sacrifice moment?! My friend and I both cheered! I hated his character, and thought I'd have to suffer multiple episodes watching him. Then he died, and now he's gone. Dead and gone forever!

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    15. Re:Evil Doctor by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Oh, Rush is not mr. nice guy. I loved when they try to dial the gate the first time, it doesn't work, and Rush looks at the kid and says "let's see what's wrong with YOUR equations". The classic "I'm a guru, this must be someone else's fault" response.

      BUT I still feel that he's going to be more complex than "I want to be nasty and hurt people because that's how the writers write me" kind of character. I've got my doubts, because it does look like they are trying to do Lost-In-Battlestar-Gate, and I can't see how it's going to work. But I certainly wish them luck. The original series really ran on thoughtful writing and wonderful chemistry between the characters, and I'd love to seem the create a successful followup (Atlantis was just awful).

    16. Re:Evil Doctor by RivenAleem · · Score: 0

      He strikes me as the kind of character who will cut the corners and dodge the red tape (like Sheppard or O'Neill) but without the "I'm a military man, I can't be bothered with the details" sort of approach. What he seems to be doing is more calculated, because he's 4-5 steps ahead of everyone else and doesn't want to have to wait for people to catch up with him before he does what he considers to be necessary.

      *spoiler*
      Hence the scene where they think they can dial back to earth, but he, who knew this already, decided not to let anyone know or even try, because he knew there would not be enough power to do it.

      His intentions seem grounded in keeping everyone alive, but he's not going to wast time explaining everything.

    17. Re:Evil Doctor by gabri22 · · Score: 1

      He is diabolically dull. At least Gaius B was a sexy, smart and hilarious character. Rush should piss of back to playing Hamish Macbeth ans smoking pot. I have never been able to handle any of the stargates and from the trailers I finally thought they may have learned something from BSG re-imagined and got some brilliant writers and amazing actors on board. But NO.. it was JUST boring. boring boring..a waste of time and talent. Hanging out for Caprica..

  10. Fewer commercials are possible by ITRambo · · Score: 1

    Watch it online to avoid the long commercial breaks.

    1. Re:Fewer commercials are possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in the USA.

    2. Re:Fewer commercials are possible by NoobixCube · · Score: 1

      In every country where bit torrent is possible. It hasn't aired here in Australia yet (at least on free-to-air), so no harm no foul. I just saved myself a late night before work when it finally does air.

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  11. Bad Commercial Breaks... by TypoNAM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I couldn't believe how many ads appeared during this thing.

    Yeah really, luckily I watched it via DVR after it had started recording for at least 40 minutes before I began watching it. I haven't seen so many badly (and annoying) placed commercial breaks in a pilot airing since the Star Trek: Enterprise premier. After getting a 720p torrent of the show and then watching it again, it is far more enjoyable (Thanks SiTV!).

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    1. Re:Bad Commercial Breaks... by TheReverandND · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I think the BSG miniseries was similarly commercial laden. BUT you know the SyFy execs knew that they were going to get a majority of the Stargate fan base all in one place at one time and had to capitalize on it. I'm sure they will loose many of them after this. I am NOT one of them and I will be interested to see where the story goes. Besides I needed something to watch on Friday nights besides Real Time.

    2. Re:Bad Commercial Breaks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't believe how many ads appeared during this thing.

      Yeah really, luckily I watched it via DVR after it had started recording for at least 40 minutes before I began watching it. I haven't seen so many badly (and annoying) placed commercial breaks in a pilot airing since the Star Trek: Enterprise premier. After getting a 720p torrent of the show and then watching it again, it is far more enjoyable (Thanks SiTV!).

      enjoy that crappy segmented x264, sitv should die imo

    3. Re:Bad Commercial Breaks... by quest47484748 · · Score: 1

      I watched it via dvr too; you only have to wait 20 minutes in (at most, usually 18 is fine) before you can watch it all the way through while zipping past all the commercials.

  12. Is Stargate any good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I liked the Stargate movie alright. I have never watched a single episode of the TV series. Is it actually worthwhile? Looked kind of stupid to me.

    1. Re:Is Stargate any good? by jedidiah · · Score: 0, Troll

      The movie is pretty worthless compared to the series.

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    2. Re:Is Stargate any good? by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      I genuinely liked the series. It seemed to get a little tired around season 4 (or was it 5), but then picked up again. Overall, it was highly entertaining, at least to this viewer and his family.

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    3. Re:Is Stargate any good? by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      Its average. Its not as good as Babylon 5 or firefly. Its better than 80% of the sci fi shows I have seen recently. Its was worse than the new Battlestar Galactica (that I enjoyed, but was not enthusiastic about) and better than Star Trek: The Next Generation (that I enjoyed as a child and then realized it was crap).

    4. Re:Is Stargate any good? by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      I never got what was the big deal with Firefly. I watched the movie and one episode of the series. It is basically a western with spaceships... Meh. It is neither good as a western nor as scifi.

    5. Re:Is Stargate any good? by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      It had a refreshing character, good actors and a decent storyline. It didn't rely on techno-babble or inventing new fields of science to solve every problem.

    6. Re:Is Stargate any good? by Z1NG · · Score: 1

      Firefly was very character driven. Sure, it was a western in space - but with cowboys you cared about AND spaceships!

    7. Re:Is Stargate any good? by NoobixCube · · Score: 1

      Like all good series, it had it's tired patches. I stopped watching when the Ori came into it, I was just that sick of Daniel Jackson dooming the galaxy by angering godlike beings.

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    8. Re:Is Stargate any good? by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      Like all good series, it had it's tired patches. I stopped watching when the Ori came into it, I was just that sick of Daniel Jackson dooming the galaxy by angering godlike beings.

      Any series that can put out an episode like Wormhole eXtreme is worth watching. The best part about SG1 was its own sense of humor and self-awareness.

      Granted, it wasn't always present, but it was there and hilarious.

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  13. Potential by Canazza · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's taken alot of stuff from Battlestar Galactica and Lost - not nescesarilly a bad thing - The previous series rather relaxed attitude to Sci-fi is still there, albeit reigned back slightly in favour of what seems to be a more character-oriented series. Notably the lack of any 'big bad' in the first episode bodes well for the focus being on internal struggle rather than on any kind of external threat.
    One of my biggest gripes with the final series of SG-1 (and most of Atlantis) was the reliance on Deus Ex Machina to save the day (Especially in the closing episode of Atlantis) and the constant ressurection of characters through various means, Dr Beckett's clone, Dr Wier's seemingly endless robot clones and Daniel Jackson's repeated Ascensions/Falls.
    Stargate's been one of my favourite series since I was a teenager (I've been watching SG-1 since series 3, and having watched Series 1 and 2 on repeats) - The audience has grown up, but the show really hasn't. SGU will hopefully fulfil that role, without alienating any newcomers

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    1. Re:Potential by dargon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Blame fan support for Danial Jacksons repeated reincarnations, if I remember correctly they originally didn't plan to bring him back after his first "death" but a large percentage of fans kinda freaked out.

    2. Re:Potential by oracleguy01 · · Score: 1

      It felt like the leadership conflict between the SG team leader (Scott then Young) and Doctor Rush once they were on the Destiny was a bit forced and artificial feeling. Especially when you contrast it to Rush before they went through the gate.

      However despite a few small flaws like that, it was pretty good. But the real question isn't if this episode was good or the next one, it is what they will do with the premise, that will be interesting to see. Hopefully they don't waste it.

      And they better not do many "We found a way home!!! Oh crap it didn't pan out at the last second!!!" type episodes like Star Trek Voyager did.

    3. Re:Potential by Canazza · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I get the feeling that we'll find out it was actually Rush that contacted the Lucien Alliance in order to attack the planet, so that it'd free enough energy from the core to dial the gate. If I'm right then I'll likely stop watching it, as me guessing a major plot point like that was par for the course for Atlantis :P

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    4. Re:Potential by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      It's taken alot of stuff from Battlestar Galactica and Lost - not nescesarilly a bad thing -

      Yeah, they took mostly the bad parts. I had to watch fifteen minutes of some hysterical young woman crying because her dad was a diseased and overweight US senator who decided to throw himself out of an airlock in some misguided sense of justice. Was I the only one who was thinking "if all you have to do is push a button, there's about fifty better ways to do it than this -- like drop one of those floating camera balls on it maybe?" Hey, you're in a ship made by a super-advanced civilization. I'm willing to bet there's a Plan B that doesn't involve dramatic (but stupid) death. Can I have some intelligent death with my drama, pleeeeease? Also, if they wanted to take something from BSG, why not take the idea of a stronger female role model, rather than reverting to the Hysterical Idiot Woman cliche that pervades almost all science fiction? :(

      Oh, and could we do a little less wholesale borrowing of the Baltar character in this series? I half-expected this Rush guy to start masturbating to visions of a long-lost love the moment he realized they were running out of air. Also, since this is the 3rd generation of the series -- us long-time Trek fans know where this puts it: Deep Space Nine. Cue groaning in 5...4...3...

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    5. Re:Potential by dysan27 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I though that the Dr. Rush taking control was actualy more pragmatic on his part. He wants to see what is out there, at any cost. This can be seen before they leave in his disappointment in Eli want to to go eat instead of work, and dialing the gate even though it means they will probably be stranded. He tries to take control to make sure they stay out there, instead of going back right away, if they could. as he "knows" they can't dial back from the milky way galaxy. At least that's the way I read it.

    6. Re:Potential by Vrallis · · Score: 1

      I also half expected the silver briefcase hastily retrieved at the last moment of evacuation would be yet another nuke (naquadria-enriched, of course) to be used by the military commander to eliminate some potential threat.

      Wow, I was wrong, they didn't re-hash that theme yet again in the SG series. Amazing. It actually gives me hope for SGU.

    7. Re:Potential by Escape+From+NY · · Score: 1

      Funny, as I was watching I thought it should be called Lost in Stargate Galactica. But the Lost I was thinking about was Lost in Space, with Robert Carlyle as Dr. Smith.

    8. Re:Potential by daveywest · · Score: 1

      It's taken alot of stuff from Battlestar Galactica ...

      I also caught the "FTL" comment and was waiting for someone to ask "What the frack is Dr. Rush doin up in the CIC?"

    9. Re:Potential by Fri13 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually Michael Shanks was the voice of Tor. And the story was written well to bring the Jonas there who would give the rare element to build even more powerful weapons and generators. What were needed on later parts.

      From beginning the Daniel Jackson Character was key element what could not be replaced.

    10. Re:Potential by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      I usually gives a new series about 6-7 episodes time to proof and build the characters.

      That is the good thing on series, you can build the character in time and well. Without need to push everything out like on movies. And later the character is even better because you can just point on newer episode to history just simple small joke or tip. That was one great thing what made SG-1 so great, characters had something what keeped their personality alive even after 10 seasons.

    11. Re:Potential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well, as it was pointed out already (spoiler), the energy was not the problem but the address. They had all the power what was needed to build a stable wormhole.

    12. Re:Potential by AshtangiMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We found a way home!!! Oh crap it didn't pan out at the last second!!!

      Gilligan!

    13. Re:Potential by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Gee, my first impression was Stargate: Voyager

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    14. Re:Potential by sammy+baby · · Score: 1

      I had to watch fifteen minutes of some hysterical young woman crying because her dad was a diseased and overweight US senator who decided to throw himself out of an airlock in some misguided sense of justice. Was I the only one who was thinking "if all you have to do is push a button, there's about fifty better ways to do it than this -- like drop one of those floating camera balls on it maybe?"

      I was expecting the tubby video-game playing kid (oh lovely, like I needed that stereotype resurrected again) to say, "Hello? Can't we duct-tape a pen to one of these camera things and punch it in that way?" I was all set to be annoyed at them for doing something that obvious, and they surprised me by doing something less obvious, but way dumber. So, hooray, I guess.

      Anyway - I never really liked Atlantis, and got pretty tired of SG-1 about two seasons before they finally killed it off. But I'll probably wind up watching this because it seems like they want to take it in a more "grown up" direction, and I can get behind that.

      PS: a pox on your house, DS9 was better than Voyager and Enterprise, and at times better than TNG..

    15. Re:Potential by boombaard · · Score: 1

      It's taken alot of stuff from Battlestar Galactica and Lost - not nescesarilly a bad thing -

      Yeah, they took mostly the bad parts. I had to watch fifteen minutes of some hysterical young woman crying because her dad was a diseased and overweight US senator who decided to throw himself out of an airlock in some misguided sense of justice. Was I the only one who was thinking "if all you have to do is push a button, there's about fifty better ways to do it than this -- like drop one of those floating camera balls on it maybe?" Hey, you're in a ship made by a super-advanced civilization. I'm willing to bet there's a Plan B that doesn't involve dramatic (but stupid) death. Can I have some intelligent death with my drama, pleeeeease? Also, if they wanted to take something from BSG, why not take the idea of a stronger female role model, rather than reverting to the Hysterical Idiot Woman cliche that pervades almost all science fiction? :(

      Oh, and could we do a little less wholesale borrowing of the Baltar character in this series? I half-expected this Rush guy to start masturbating to visions of a long-lost love the moment he realized they were running out of air. Also, since this is the 3rd generation of the series -- us long-time Trek fans know where this puts it: Deep Space Nine. Cue groaning in 5...4...3...

      I have to say I agree almost entirely with your post, though I found his death less misguided than a Deus Ex Machina plot device to be milked again and again (and I fear not for the last time, either). The 'daddy I'm a PolSci graduate (and presumably something like 22+), but I'm really dependent on you and I will cry lots when you even mention wanting to be left alone so that you can try to think about sacrificing yourself for the greater good (something I'm sure lots of responsible father figures/politicians do) without being distracted by my crying' person annoyed me to tears. And that was before I was dragged through a harrowing 9 minute scene of her crying and then bonding with young_soldier_boy_in_command, because we had to have character development, or something resembling it.
      The first ep was decent if not earth shattering, but the second really had way too many boring action-lacking scenes that weren't setting up any of the later story (apart from the probable oncoming suicide of $whiny_daughter, or something similarly predictable that nobody cares about because nobody has been drawn into the story line yet). And then they end the pilot at the worst possible moment, and tell you to finish watching next weekend, leaving you on a horrible (s)low note that pervaded most of the second episode. Gods, the planning for this broadcast really was terrible.
      Then there's Dr. Rush, and everyone refusing to be under his command, there's a "don't patronize me, boy" senator who suddenly decides to be heroic off-screen, 2 IOA members who shout "who made you boss" without having any regard whatever for trying to survive first, before executing the grunts trying to save them (God I'm tired of the 1-dimensional incompetent self-important politician stereotype that so pervades TV), and the general fact that almost every scene took 50% too long, along with the fact that they spent about 3 scenes on the same 'life-threatening issue' where one would really have been enough. How often can you say "shit, we're fucked unless we miraculously fix this" already? Sure, you can portray helplessness of the ad-hoc crew nicely by letting them wander around aimlessly, but it all mostly just seemed badly directed to me.
      PS. I apologise for the rambling and meandering nature of my post, but I'm having trouble generating a coherent plot from the episodes.

    16. Re:Potential by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2, Informative

      One of my biggest gripes with the final series of SG-1 (and most of Atlantis) was the reliance on Deus Ex Machina to save the day (Especially in the closing episode of Atlantis) and the constant ressurection of characters through various means, Dr Beckett's clone, Dr Wier's seemingly endless robot clones and Daniel Jackson's repeated Ascensions/Falls.

      One of my favorites lines from SG-1 was in Season 7.

      Scientist: Dr Jackson is going to die when he sees this.
      Soldier: What!? Again?

      Counting the movie, and not counting the Virtual Reality where either he or an NPC was killed a LOT, he's probably "died" (or been presumed dead) at least 8 times.

      Dr Beckett's return was worthy of an eye-roll, and was almost not worth it since he was only in a handful of episodes after his return.

      Weir, eh sort of. She's no Dr Jackson but she did come back 3 or 4 times thanks to replicator nanites.

      O'Neill had a few deaths plus the repeated resurrections at the hands of Ba'al but it was known to the viewer ahead of time he was going to be put through the rinse cycle a few times for torture's sake.

    17. Re:Potential by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Blame fan support for Danial Jacksons repeated reincarnations, if I remember correctly they originally didn't plan to bring him back after his first "death" but a large percentage of fans kinda freaked out.

      Define "first death."

      He died a number of times (and/or was thought dead by the main characters) a number of times before the death that made the SG-1 fanbase freak out in Season 5.

      The Wikipedia entry doesn't actually list all of them.

    18. Re:Potential by broken_chaos · · Score: 1

      Daniel Jackson's repeated Ascensions/Falls

      What made this acceptable, even enjoyable, is how this was played with and referenced. Even early on in the series he had a tendency to get killed and revived (initially using the sarcophagus) -- and the references made by the whole team, particularly O'Neill, made the entire thing into a running gag, as opposed to a running annoyance for me.

      That's part of what made SG-1 and Atlantis so enjoyable for me -- the humorous, somewhat self-aware edge to the characters and the series as a whole.

    19. Re:Potential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's been dying and coming back to life since the original movie.

    20. Re:Potential by weber · · Score: 1

      Yep, they did the same thing with Jebus.

    21. Re:Potential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's taken alot of stuff from Battlestar Galactica and Lost - not nescesarilly a bad thing - The previous series rather relaxed attitude to Sci-fi is still there, albeit reigned back slightly in favour of what seems to be a more character-oriented series. Notably the lack of any 'big bad' in the first episode bodes well for the focus being on internal struggle rather than on any kind of external threat.
      One of my biggest gripes with the final series of SG-1 (and most of Atlantis) was the reliance on Deus Ex Machina to save the day (Especially in the closing episode of Atlantis) and the constant ressurection of characters through various means, Dr Beckett's clone, Dr Wier's seemingly endless robot clones and Daniel Jackson's repeated Ascensions/Falls.
      Stargate's been one of my favourite series since I was a teenager (I've been watching SG-1 since series 3, and having watched Series 1 and 2 on repeats) - The audience has grown up, but the show really hasn't. SGU will hopefully fulfil that role, without alienating any newcomers

      The problem with your premise here is that SGU alienates it's present (and past) viewers by moving to a "Battlestar Galactica" format. It's always been the "Sci-Fi" that has attracted me to the series. To over emphasize the characters - as they have done, turns the whole thing into a giant soap opera. It's too "real". If I want reality, I'll go to work and deal with my asshole boss and co-workers; please spare me the reality and give me more entertainment when I turn on the T.V. - in and of itself - an attempt at an escape from the "real".

  14. Firefly by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...style that practically every sci-fi show since Firefly uses.

    I don't get why Firefly was canceled. It was popular among geeks and trend-setting. It even had the potential to be the next Star Trek-like franchise. I suppose bean-counting overrode "buzz". They didn't give it time. Shame
         

  15. SG-1 by Gotung · · Score: 1

    Just started watching SG-1 for the first time on Hulu. About mid-way through season 5.

    Is there any reason I should I finish out SG-1 before watching this?

    1. Re:SG-1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Except for the fact that they now have a fleet of ships powered by Asgard technology and that Don S Davis died last year, that is really all you need to know. Oh, Atlantis is in the Pegasus Galaxy, O'Neill is a General, and Carter is now a Colonel. That is about it.

    2. Re:SG-1 by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

      ehh not really, you'll get to see some new tech that humans developed/cobbled together, but it won't give you any super huge massive spoilers. At least none that you'll recognize as spoilers.

    3. Re:SG-1 by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      this makes a clean cut with most of the later mythos of SG-1, save for some ancient tech stuff.

      SG-1's ending was still interesting to watch so you might as well.

    4. Re:SG-1 by GundamFan · · Score: 1

      Other than SG-1 being a really fun take on Sci-Fi no not really. SGU is very newbie friendly.

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    5. Re:SG-1 by Canazza · · Score: 1

      Once you get the whole Ascension thing and have watched "Prometheus" (So end of Series 6) you're pretty much up to speed on what's needed for SGU tech-wise. Maybe watch the first Series of Atlantis to get some Ancient tech ideas, but it's not really that worth it.

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    6. Re:SG-1 by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      You could start watching without finishing. In time, there will likely be references made to "tip the hat" to the orginal SG-1 and Atlantis fans. If you like SG-1 and have the time, keep watching. I felt things got better in seasons 6-8 again, but the series ending was a bit too much of a hurry for me. I really enjoyed Atlantis and was disappointed that it was axed so early. I felt it could have gone another four seasons without resorting to yet another new enemy-there were many threads that could have yet been wrapped up.

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    7. Re:SG-1 by Unending · · Score: 1

      Don S Davis died last year

      Ah that explains why Carter's ship was called the Hammond.

    8. Re:SG-1 by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Gen.Hammond was my favourite Stargate character. The others went forth every week and saved (or demolished) the universe, but Hammond was the *glue*: The sort of commander every unit would like to serve under; the focus that everyone could always trust.

      I remember an episode where the SG-1 unit began doubting their own behaviour solely because Hammond doubted -- their trust in him went that deep. It was an amazing bit of character definition, on both sides.

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    9. Re:SG-1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sg1 peaked at about season 7, and season 8 still had some goodness, but after that really went downhill.

    10. Re:SG-1 by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

      You'll get maximum enjoyment (basically from seeing references to stuff from the other shows) if you watch everything chronologically. SG1 1-8x02, then watching alternating episodes from SG1 and Atlantis from 8-10/1-3, then the SG-1 Ark of Truth, then Atlantis 4-5x01, then SG-1 Continuum, then Atlantis 5 and then Universe.

      At least that's my order.

      It's not necessary though. As an example, in Universe, a new viewer learns the USAF has spaceships. Cool. A long-time viewer will recognize that the space ship was named after General George Hammond from SG-1, whose actor died after the filming of Continuum, and that the ship was renamed from the Phoenix, which was also featured in an alternate timeline on Atlantis, also commanded by Colonel Carter!

      ... :)

    11. Re:SG-1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would finish SG1 till season 8, this will take a lot of the amazement out of the episodes where earth really gets their act together in the seasons after season 5, I would say you are up to speed.

      Also I would watch the first season of Atlantis, then skip every episode that isn't a two-parter, and be done.

    12. Re:SG-1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, after about season 6 or so, there starts to be a lot of rapid development and acquisition of alien technology and we learn a lot more about the ancients (who will probably be very important in this series. It's probably also a good idea to watch some of Atlantis too since it features heavily on the Ancients.

    13. Re:SG-1 by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 1

      Don S Davis died last year

      Ah that explains why Carter's ship was called the Hammond.

      This was explained in the last episode of Atlantis. Carter was given command of the newest BC-304, the Phoenix. In an alternate timeline (see "The Last Man, Atlantis season 4 cliffhanger), it kept this name. That was the last anyone had heard of the ship until the last episode of Atlantis. Carter mentioned to Sheppard that she was being given command of the new ship, he said "the Phoenix?" Then she said "It's being renamed to the George Hammond." Then Sheppard said "Ah, I heard about that." Then Carter said "Yeah, heart attack. He was off-world at the time. He was a great man." So basically, they made Hammond meet the same fate (off-screen) as his actor, and then dedicated the episode (and the new ship) to him. I thought it was very touching myself.

  16. FEH! by macbeth66 · · Score: 0

    and mindless.

    Another season long running episode in x parts. Who has the time to see every single episode. And, with this quality, why would I want to.

    For quite a few years now, I've waited until the show is on DVD. Then I can watch at my own pace. And if it never shows up on DVD, it most likely sucked anyway. I stopped watching Lost and Heros as they both really started to suck after the first season. And God forbid you missed an episode. Sheesh. TV is supposed to be an escape, not a way of life.

    1. Re:FEH! by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      If Lost was episodic, it would be another gilligans island.

    2. Re:FEH! by macbeth66 · · Score: 1

      At least Gilligan's Island was funny on purpose. And Mary Ann was a lot hotter.

  17. 3 thumbs up by rossdee · · Score: 1

    I think the new series started very well, though I don't know how long they will last with the good plots.

    The Keno is cool, but if this is really Ancient ancient technology, why haven't they showed up in some other ancient places , like atlantis.

    1. Re:3 thumbs up by Mr.+Arbusto · · Score: 1

      The Keno is cool, but if this is really Ancient ancient technology, why haven't they showed up in some other ancient places , like atlantis.

      They weren't needed. The plot was able to move forward with M.A.L.Ps instead of expensive CGI Kenos. :)

    2. Re:3 thumbs up by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Well this seemed more like an exploration ship, so it makes sense that they'd want to check out the planet before going through the gate. Atlantis was more of a settled base where they already knew about the other gates in the network so it wouldn't be something you'd put in your stylish gate room.

    3. Re:3 thumbs up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      retro installing ancient tech into an old series? easier just not to mention things like "why haven't we seen this before".

  18. Appallingly mediocre. by FlyingBishop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All the contrived, pointless tropes of Stargate with none of the cheeky self-deprecating humor.

    Also, Gaius Baltar has no place in the Stargate Universe. Honestly, practically every sentence that came out of Robert Carlyle's mouth it felt like he was being fed his lines by an invisible woman in a red dress. Only he wasn't. His character just has zero definition, and there's no way to sympathize with him.

    Sadly, it's all we have.

    1. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes stargate 90210 sucks.

      - camcorder style shots just remind you that ur watching a tv show and pull you out of it.

      - what was the point of the sex scene other than to alienate family viewers - just dumb.

      - Carlisle can do much better which just shows what idiots are running the show.

      - young cast have no style, and they are not even that good looking

      - It will probably run for a log time because of lack of credible competition and it fits the studio exec's 'formula'

      - IMHO Connor Chronicles was the last almost ok Sci fi production...

    2. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      the touch of comedy was what made SG-1 good.

    3. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by imgod2u · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. I wish I had mod points atm for you. What made SG1 and Atlantis good shows was entirely in its "oh wow...another sci-fi cliche huh, ya well let's get it over with" style of meta-humor. Let's face it, the stories, plots, acting, etc. weren't ground-breaking. They were cliche, guilty-pleasure sci-fi elements.

      The "big bad guy" each season; the unfaltering hero; the strong-but-secretly-vulnerable female lead who had constant, unspoken sexual tension with the unfaltering hero; the comic relief side genius guy who would develop a spine throughout the series. Atlantis and SG1 was pretty much just this over and over. But it was fun, it was still compelling and most importantly, it didn't take itself too seriously.

      McGuiver was classic. Towards the end, you could almost see that he wasn't in character at all. It was like he was reading his lines in this "God, this again? Really?" voice. Even the unfaltering hero had a goofy, self-deprecating wit about him. This is what made Mal of Firefly so endearing and it's something that so many writers these days don't seem to understand. The days of the Rambo-like tough guy hero are over.

    4. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by Mr.+Arbusto · · Score: 0, Troll

      - IMHO Connor Chronicles was the last almost ok Sci fi production...

      It was, until there was a 4 - 5 episode run of stupid in season 2 that made it unbearable to watch. Pair that with the extremely mediocre Dollhouse at there was no incentive to watch it.

    5. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No way to sympathize? Until I read that he belongs to the regular cast, I was wondering whether the character would survive the next episode, not because of some tragic accident, but some 'tragic' accident.

    6. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the contrived, pointless tropes of Stargate with none of the cheeky self-deprecating humor.

      Also, Gaius Baltar has no place in the Stargate Universe. Honestly, practically every sentence that came out of Robert Carlyle's mouth it felt like he was being fed his lines by an invisible woman in a red dress. Only he wasn't. His character just has zero definition, and there's no way to sympathize with him.

      He is dissociated from the people around him because he is completely focused on his research. That makes him speak as though he is thinking about something else, only interacting with people when it is required to further his research, and then only paying enough attention to what he is saying so that he will say the necessary thing to move things along, which indeed is reminiscent of the way Gaius Balter spoke, but for a different reason. He is a man completely driven to do something through his research. We don't know what that thing is, but I suspect it has something to do with the picture of the woman he looked at in his room after the first experiment. I very much doubt he is just looking for knowledge for its own sake in the way the archeologist from SG1 was. It's not that there is nothing to him, we just haven't been told yet, and you may yet find yourself sympathizing with him.

    7. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 1

      THIS. Every line he delivered I kept thinking "great, Baltar without a good script or acting".

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    8. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by mR.bRiGhTsId3 · · Score: 1

      Wow. Its the first episode where they have to introduce all the characters. They set up future episodes to show his motivations, i.e. why he is such a jackass and who's picture he was holding and being sad about. I think its a little bit early to judge him as having no definition when there hasn't been an opportunity to build any yet.

    9. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by jpmorgan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Eh, it feels to me like you're stretching to fit characters into pre-alloted roles/tropes. I don't get that sense from him, personally.

      And to be honest, if you can't sympathize with a smart guy running around trying to put out fires while everybody else is running around like a chicken with their heads cut off because they don't know what to do... you probably don't belong on /. :D

    10. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      He's the equivalent of someone who installed Slackware on his mother's box and is confused as to why she's mad at him.

      And not Slackware of today, when really, assuming he set it up properly (he didn't) she'd be just fine.

      This jackass installed Slackware on his mother's box in 1999, somehow thinking that could possibly be a good idea.

      Except for instead of the relatively harmless, but useless Slackware, he's stranded a bunch of people in a situation where they could die at any moment. It could be a really funny show. Unfortunately they decided to try and play this bullshit as if it were a good plot.

    11. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by Braedley · · Score: 1

      Completely agree. We haven't even fully figured out what Rush's ulterior motive is (if he even has one)! Let the guy grow a bit first. Creating a spin-off that's still accessible to a new audience is a tough act to pull off, especially in sci-fi. TNG managed to do it, but they had some lackluster season 1 episodes before really picking it up later on.

    12. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I actually liked his performance, I think the lack of definition you are referring to is how cold he acts on the show. I have a feeling he will be understood a lot better by the audience in later episodes...or dead.

    13. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by sanosuke001 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the exact same thing about him; he even kind of looks like him...

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    14. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by S-4'N3 · · Score: 1

      You're not thinking of James Callis?

    15. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll? TTSCC was axed because it was awful. It had the potential and I was angry for its ultimate demise, but the scriptwriters had bought all the tickets for the cancellation lottery. Too little Cam, too little John Henry, too little hot redhead, too much emo savior, too much Riley, too much hallucinating Sarah. By the end of the series you really hope the Connors will get terminated soon. And whatever to Derek's death. It would be cool if it had been happening since episode one. "Death is easy!(once the scriptwriters know the show is going to be canceled, before that good guys will never meet a bullet's path)"

    16. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as they don't kill the Slash*ot user, everyone here will be watching it. He is our hero. He didn't manage to keep the girl away from charisma boy even in the premiere, but at least he tried. Now we know fornicating girl is on the Death Row and that Sla*hdot user will stay virgin until a goa'uld girlfriend is retconned in Season 5.

    17. Re:Appallingly mediocre. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought he was the only interesting character standing out. The rest of the pilot felt like material for half an hour at most, stretched out to two episodes.

      As for sympathy, I found it hard to sympathise with any of them. Some dude they recruited off a video game? Seriously? A criminal soldier, some political bigwigs, the only sane person in charge was incapacitated for the most part and so on.

      As many have written: there's no alternative. Anything looks good besides the rest of the current so-called sci-fi shows.

  19. Commercials? by CRiMSON · · Score: 1

    What commercials? I didn't have any in mine....

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  20. Not bad, but too many commercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the show was OK, and the concept reminded me a Star Trek Voyager, which was one of my favorite shows.

    The only thing I didn't like was the amount of commercials. It made it unbearable to watch. I know they spent a lot of money promoting it and wanted to soak up as much advertising money as they could, but DAMN! I actually took out a timer and found that there was a repeating pattern of about 5 minutes of show followed by about 4 minutes of commercials.

    It the real show has that many commercials, I'll be watching it on bittorent.

  21. Excellent by BingmanO · · Score: 1

    I have to say i enjoyed it as well. Although since i watched it online i got to play Discover Card memory game...which in of itself is ultimately lame. I'm very excited to see the direction they take. The one part i'm not happy about is the "humanized" long range communications device so earth knows where they are and can stay in regular contact. It seems to me the show would be more edgy if everyone on earth thought they were dead. I also have to say that Dr. Nicholas Rush is the equiv of Baltar from BSG, although so far he hasn't done anything outrageous (unless he contacted the Lucian Alliance to force everyone into the gate. ???)

  22. Alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only occasionally watched the other Stargate series (loved the movie though) and am only partly familiar with the storylines. So, I guess I'd be less likely to be bored of the franchise. I thought it was decent, though they'll have to work to keep it from being a Voyager knockoff. Admittedly, at first I was watching just because the congressdude's daughter is sort of cute, but the story has potential if the writers can inject some originality. Otherwise I suspect it'll linger like even bad shows seem to on SciFi (I refuse to use the retarded new channel name).

  23. My thoughts by Dyinobal · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought the visuals were good, I liked the 'ancient' star ship and the way it was rendered. It's nice to see something the ancients made that isn't 'pretty'. I didn't really care for the actors but I may grow to like them, the shaky camera stuff was really annoying though and irked me. The sex scene was just randomly thrown in and made me roll my eyes, it was a pointless grab for the crotch thinking audience. A few concerns is how they are going to butcher ancient tech. There is a lot of opportunity to expand on the story of the ancients, but with that huge opportunity is a massive chance they are going to kill it. I'm hopeful it will be a good addition to the Stargate series.

    1. Re:My thoughts by LandDolphin · · Score: 1

      The best advice is to resist the urge to try and compare it to previous Shows/Movies and jsut take it for what it is.

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    2. Re:My thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It uses shaky cam? I couldn't watch BSG because of that, even though I wanted to. I always got a headache after five minutes. I know I'm not the only one. For crying out loud, why do people insist on making their shows unwatchable by a whole portion of their potential audience.

    3. Re:My thoughts by moniker127 · · Score: 1

      I don't think that they will really expand that much upon the ancients. I think that they mostly wanted to do something voyager-esque, and figured that the ancients were the only ones around long enough ago to have made a ship that would be far enough away to not be able to readily get back.

      My guess is that they will run into the bad guys who control the *delta quadrant* or whatever- and that most of the story will be about them. I really hope i'm wrong though, because that would be very boring. I thought that the wraith were a bit of a stretch- introducing another bad guy would be hard.

    4. Re:My thoughts by carrieleighc · · Score: 1

      The sex scene irritated me, too, but it was later pointed out to me that the fraternization was not just between two members of the US Air Force (definitely a no-no), but between an Officer and an Enlisted -- a prosecutable offense in the Air Force. It just goes to show the fallibility of the young Lieutenant who was pushed into a command position much before he was ready, just only hours after the supply closet scene.

    5. Re:My thoughts by FlyingBishop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mckay was a much better stand-in for the viewer. He was sort of an aspirational stand-in, what the annoying fat gamer dude could be in the best of all possible worlds. Eli just feels like what the gamer dude actually is in this world, except he magically is a genius motivated to solve problems and not play silly games all day.

    6. Re:My thoughts by jnaujok · · Score: 1

      The sex scene was obnoxious. Both my kids love Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis, and I had to sit poised over the "Skip" button when I let them watch Universe.

      It was ridiculous, and could have been played just as well with them fully clothed and embracing/kissing without making it into a moment where I had to jump the show.

      It was there only for the "titillation" of showing "We're like Battlestar Galactica!" rather than just keeping it a bit more wholesome.

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    7. Re:My thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Stargate SG1 premiere had tits in it. Wholesome tits. Get a grip.

    8. Re:My thoughts by Taevin · · Score: 1

      Did you also skip over the part where the guy was bleeding out from a neck wound? The part where the unstable soldier who was in detention "for good reason" was threatening to kill another character? What about the part where one of the main characters starts plotting the execution of the least useful human on the ship?

      Why are any of those more "wholesome" than a very short, very tame sex scene (where the actors were basically full clothed anyway)? Seriously, I've seen "embracing/kissing" scenes that were more pornographic.

    9. Re:My thoughts by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      witty comic relief- like when Jack O'neal made some wise crack at the big scary aliens

      Two Ls.

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    10. Re:My thoughts by jnaujok · · Score: 1

      Ask me again when you have a 9 year old daughter, and a 15 year old son. One will ask what the two are doing, the other will fantasize about it for the next three nights.

      As for the neck-wound scene, the daughter was out of the room, and the son got an explanation of carotid artery/jugular vein biology during that scene.

      The "execution" scene was nothing of the sort, it's a demonstration of the logical meeting the emotional. He understands that. Heck, even the nine year old understands that. It's a dilemma. You can approach it from the emotional viewpoint of "No human can be allowed to die for us, they're too precious" or from the coldly logical, "Someone is going to die. To preserve the best chances for the rest of us, who is the least likely to be needed in the immediate future." Having to make hard decisions is a *great* lesson for young children, and I'm happy to have them learn it early.

      In either case, they got rid of a Senator, so he's not only useless (and obnoxious to the point of being a detriment), but, given the recent activity of politicians, is arguably less than human as well. (That's satire, maybe I should point that out, since you missed the point of the scene.)

      And threats of death show up in everything from G rated movies on up, or did you miss the part in Toy Story when a sadistic lunatic straps high explosives to a soldier and tears him into small, chunky pieces, clearly displayed on the screen. That got a G rating.

      Sex isn't just about what's shown as far as "tameness", it's about the moral underpinning of the scene. A lieutenant is having pre-marital sex (moral turpitude) with an enlisted personnel (disregard of chain of command) while on duty (dereliction of duty) and ignoring commands from a superior (lack of respect) and is doing so in such a way as to objectify the woman (she's just a quick shag in the closet) and demonstrate, in the end, that she's just a diversion (grabs clothes/gun and walks out.)

      There were so many problems with the deeper context of that scene as to make it ridiculous.

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    11. Re:My thoughts by isorox · · Score: 1

      Dunno if it was just really tame and didn't register (it takes a while for me to work out who's who), but did anyone in the UK see this scene (on sky One)? Where was it? If I remember rightly, they beamed down from the Hammond, went to the gateroom, failed the experiment, went to dinner, got attacked?

      Or was it a flashback?

    12. Re:My thoughts by Taevin · · Score: 1
      In light of this:

      ... having pre-marital sex ...

      I can see I have no chance of convincing you of anything.

      You didn't answer my question (although admittedly, it was more of a rhetorical one). My point was to underline the ridiculousness of the situation. Violence, death, and gore? Wholesome family entertainment. A hint of sex? Sinful, obnoxious, and must be blocked from anyone under the age of 21.

      I will say this though: Your son is 15. By your own words, he's old enough to desire and fantasize about sex and I'd be willing to bet money that he knows why you fast-forwarded through the show. So ask yourself this (and you don't have to answer to me--I'm just some guy on the Internet): do you really want to teach him that he has to hide his sexuality from you?

    13. Re:My thoughts by jnaujok · · Score: 1

      You have every chance of convincing me of something -- if you can make a salient point. I chose the term "pre-marital" rather than "casual" because it was part of the point I'm trying to make. I went back and forth over which of those to choose, but I settled on "pre-marital" because it makes a better point from a discussion of morality, and that's what this is. You decry my moral choice to hide what you call "a hint of sex" from my children, while exposing them to "Violence, death, and gore."

      I am my children's father. They will learn their morality from me and from their environment. When the environment disagrees with the moral choices I am trying to show them as "correct", and I can control that exposure, then I will act to shield them from that exposure when I can.

      Clearly you missed my whole point. I can have frank and open discussions of sexuality with my son, however, what I'm complaining about is not the "sex" itself, it was the way it was presented.

      I have spent time teaching my son that having sex is a major, life-changing decision. The repercussions of being sexually active are large and important. Were they to have shown a loving, caring, relationship, culminating in a physical relationship, I'd have had far less issue with it. What they chose to do, however, was to show, as acceptable and correct, what used to be called a "back-alley stand-up".

      There was nothing there but the physical act of sex. It reduced both participants to nothing more than animal passions. That's what I find unacceptable and inappropriate. I can always turn on the Discovery Channel if I want to watch two animals with brains the size of walnuts participating in the reproductive act.

      I have spent time teaching my son that physical love-making should be exactly that -- *LOVE* making. What I objected to in that scene was not the act, but the fact that it was *way out of line* because it was presented in such a way as to make the Lieutenant look like "the smart one" in a situation in which he showed extremely poor judgement. Broom closet sex is just about physical gratification. Do you think he (and her) are thinking about repercussions? By the time you reach Lieutenant in the Air Force, you most likely have done 4 years at the Academy where you are drilled with "I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate anyone among us who does." (The AF Academy creed.) Now, if any airman walked in on those two, he's up on Court Martial, dishonorably discharged, and since it's with an enlisted personnel, he's probably looking at serving time as well. She's gone with a dishonorable discharge as well. That was never shown as the massive consequences. Nope, just a quick, consequence free bang in a closet.

      And yes, he knows *exactly* why I fast-forwarded over the scene, *because I told him* -- and he agrees with me. Because he said so, and we talked about it. In fact, his response, when told why we were hanging over the "skip" button was, "Why'd they have to go and wreck a good show like "Stargate" by putting in stupid scenes that don't advance the story?"

      In fact, since you seem so worried about my kids, can you explain to me why this scene was in the story? What did it advance? What dramatic tension did it create? How does it improve the characters? As far as I'm concerned, even though it's clear from the rest of the show (the scene where the Lieutenant asks "Chloie" (the Senator's daughter) to talk about her father) that we're supposed to view him as a deep, feeling, empathetic character. So, they are basically setting him up as a "hero" figure. Yet, then we're supposed to just accept he also likes having casual sex with women who are required to say "Yes Sir" to his every order. That's why fraternizing across ranks is such a bad thing. That's why we spent ten years watching Sam and O'Neill tiptoeing around each other. That's a fact of the military. Deal with it.

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    14. Re:My thoughts by Beliskner · · Score: 1

      I have spent time teaching my son that having sex is a major, life-changing decision. The repercussions of being sexually active are large and important. Were they to have shown a loving, caring, relationship, culminating in a physical relationship, I'd have had far less issue with it. What they chose to do, however, was to show, as acceptable and correct, what used to be called a "back-alley stand-up".

      So you're teaching your children to be exactly like you, you are imposing a patriarchal system on them. You're also teaching your children to follow morality and rules to the letter, that's Communism - not US democracy and that is out of line with the spirit of the Constitution of the United States. Let me tell you after your kid leaves home and has a 8 beers he's gonna get his ass whooped. Even heroes have dark sides - just look at the atrocities committed by United States troops in torchering prisoners at Abu Gheraib prison in Iraq. Those soldiers that committed the torcher could just say "Heck I was just following orders", do you want your kid to end up like that?

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    15. Re:My thoughts by jnaujok · · Score: 1

      Wow, you sure threw a real haymaker at that straw-man. Remind me never to have another battle of wits of with you... or at least to let you write both sides of the conversation like you're trying to do here.

      Look, I understand you feel some desire to be justified in your sad little part of the borders of reality, but you really need a few lessons here.

      Number one, every child has parents, you may not understand this, since you seem to think that sleeping around has no consequences. Apparently your mommy and daddy, or your mommy and mommy, or your daddy and daddy, or your aunt, uncle, third cousin, or foster parent, whomever or whatever group of the above it was who raised you, never explained the whole birds and bees thing to you. However, at least until the last 50 years or so in America, the tradition has been that a man and a woman get together and have children through a physical act, which I won't go into here, since you seem to understand that part, at least given your desire, in previous writings, to have it displayed happily to every three year old in America.

      Now, here's the part you don't understand. Traditionally, when that man and woman had a child, they took what is called, "Responsibility" for the raising of that child. In other words, as part of having a child, they accepted that it became part of their required actions, to raise that child so that they would become a healthy, and productive member of society. Now in Feudal Europe, that meant teaching the child to be just like you, so if you were a farmer, your child was a farmer, if you were a baker, your child was a baker, and if you were a blacksmith, well, then your child was a blacksmith. The system worked, in a manner of speaking, because it assured a steady stream of labor for most of the jobs available at the time.

      The system, however, was wasteful, as the children do not have the same set of abilities as the parent. Perhaps one son make a lousy blacksmith, and one son couldn't bake bread that didn't taste like bricks. And let's not get started on the girls, since all they were good for was costing a dowry to marry off. In any case, a large part of the work force (Usually around the third generation) weren't exactly happy doing what granddad did just because that's the way it was.

      Eventually this system failed due to lots of social pressures, plagues, and generally, the slow scientific improvement in knowledge and the wider dissemination of books and learning.

      What replaced it were other systems, parliamentary democracy (although the "democracy" in a "House of Lords" is debatable), socialist systems, quasi-socialist states, and in one country, a Representative Republic. Now, this country was a mainly a bunch of ne'er-do-well's that had been expunged from the good folk of Europe and who eventually got so surly, they kicked out their own, rightful government, in order to be "free" and establish that Republic.

      Now, since they were all a bunch of people who couldn't listen to authority, were ornery, and resented a large, overarching government, they then laid out a system, written down, that basically said, "Look, we have to have some government to run the country, and by "run it" we mean, deal with foreign countries on our behalf, defend the borders from invaders, build a reasonable system of immigration, build a navy, and generally make sure one state inside the country isn't screwing all the others, oh, and anything else you need to do to make those things possible, like run the capital city.

      In the meantime, we, the people of this nation, will fulfill the other half of the "social contract" as follows. We will be upstanding citizens, for those that aren't, we'll build jails and throw them in it. We will take responsibility for our actions, both legally and civilly. And we'll do it all ourselves on a local level, city, county, state, whatever is most acceptable to us, the people. If you don't like that, well, tough, because we passed the Bill of Rights, and number 10 says you ca

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    16. Re:My thoughts by Beliskner · · Score: 1

      I see soldiers every single day, and I try to thank every one I meet for their service in support of their country.

      A cousin of mine used to be in the Army, thanks that's great! Now he's a civilian and has a huge Mercedes which he loves.

      As for the Stargate Universe soldier having sex - you should show that to your son, because it's an obvious plot line that he could be discovered and disciplined and/or blackmailed in later episodes, he should not absorb every act that an actor makes on TV, otherwise he just has to watch Arnold Schwarzenegger in Commando to work out it's ok to procure Army equipment and fight a private war by invading another country without orders to do so. If I was writing Stargate Universe I would have that crazy marine who was locked up going and discovering him having sex with the female soldier, taking a picture, and saying "Yeah now I got you" then he goes on some sort of rampage, going to other worlds and killing aliens for their technology, all the while blackmailing the soldier that had sex saying "I have a picture of you having sex while on duty - I'm going to show it to the Colonel unless you cover up my crimes". And then all 3 get discovered and then bam you have one hell of an intergalactic Court martial yes yes yes! And your son won't be able to understand any of that if/when it happens because you pressed the skip button.

      and have happily kicked the ass of several people who have tried to "whip my ass after 8 beers." I personally find drunk people amusing, especially since they so overestimate their physical prowess

      I know a few people that can't control their violent urges when drunk, it's funny sometimes but they've come close to hurting themselves badly which is a shame cos when sober they're very nice people. I just tend to hug people when I get drunk so yeah I'm a bit of a wus unfortunately.

      My son has training in martial arts, and participates in several sports. The difference between him, and any progeny that might be sorrowfully produced by your loins, is that after winning, or losing, my son will walk up to your son, and shake his hand, and say, "Good Game" and mean it. While your offspring will be the one who shouts back at him, "F*** YOU A**HOLE!" And I can say with some assurance, that this most often happens when the opposing team is from "Christian" schools, so don't try to tar and feather me with some religious brush either, because you can't. I've studied and read and possess every major holy book from every major religion, Torah, Bible, Koran, Nag Hamadi, Veda, Five Pillars, Tibetan Book of the Dead, etc, etc. Religion is a wonderful thing, but the people who practice it are flawed, and the institutions they build tend to reflect the people rather than the religion

      I know a guy that used to change the rules of the game whenever he lost a point, like "You have to double-check the ball, it's the rules" and I'm like "Dude, we've been playing basketball for the last hour, that's a new rule dumbass!". Honestly, I don't know how my kids are gonna turn out cos I don't have any yet.

      Number four, in spite of your criticisms of me, you apparently can't understand the simple basis of this nation, and if you can't understand the freedom that I have to raise my children with critical thought and a moral basis behind decisions, in any manner I desire, then you, sir, are part of the problem.

      Ah ha! Got ya there! Suppose it was just the military that ended up on that spaceship, then if the spaceship takes more than 100 years to return to Earth, then everybody on the spaceship would be dead, and unmanned perhaps the spaceship would crash into Earth killing millions of Americans. If the orders were relaxed and the chain of command was relaxed, then the soldiers could take procreative actions amongst themselves and some actual real living people would arrive back with the ship when it returns to Earth, and these grandsons and gr

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  24. Stargate Voyager by mhajicek · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nothing new, just a couple old plot devices shaken together. Still might be worth the watch; we'll just have to wait and see.

    1. Re:Stargate Voyager by crazytisay · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I was thinking more along the lines of "BattleGate Univoyager" not so boldly leaning towards an edgy SG series. I don't know about you but I wasn't impressed by Dr. Gauis Rush, token bad boy Starbuck-esque soldier, Admiral badass, and the sniveling brat with the Harvard degree. Not to mention fatty McGamer Boy our delightfully quirky super genius who remains surprisingly cool in tough situations, and I'm not a real doctor Hottie McNursemaid. I would have much preferred an entirely new series, something legitimately dark and edgy like Battlestar, not a rehashed and poorly acted SG soap in space. But there aren't really any other new sci-fi options at the moment. I'll watch until I can't think of any new jokes or snide remarks during the episodes, or something better comes along. And who the hell on slashdot watches commercials anyway? I thought this was a congregation of intelligent people...

  25. Typical intro to a spinoff by metoc · · Score: 1

    It was typical for a spin off series. Lay down the ground work for the viewers new to the series, throw in some background on the individuals, add cameos for the stars from the previous series and hint at whats to come. Most importantly don't mess with the formula.

    As for the episode. It still amazes me how the writers handle "The Ancients". Come on. Someone sends out a robot spaceship for a indefinitely long journey and it doesn't have a way to repair itself? "The Ancients" are so omnipotent that they don't need spacesuits, supplies or tools to make repairs, but they do need spaceships? Either "The Ancients" are so overrated or the writers need to think before they write. Oops. I forgot we were talking about Hollywood.

    1. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff by oracleguy01 · · Score: 1

      As for the episode. It still amazes me how the writers handle "The Ancients". Come on. Someone sends out a robot spaceship for a indefinitely long journey and it doesn't have a way to repair itself? "The Ancients" are so omnipotent that they don't need spacesuits, supplies or tools to make repairs, but they do need spaceships? Either "The Ancients" are so overrated or the writers need to think before they write. Oops. I forgot we were talking about Hollywood.

      Yeah, you would think they would have left supplies on board, maybe not tools but at least a few spare parts for critical systems. But I guess as they explained in the episode, the Ancients were planning on coming there and logically when they did, they would have probably brought spare parts. However despite that, as they said in the episode, the ship is huge and they had only explored a small part of it, there could be spare parts some place on the ship.

      Isn't the ship supposed to be like 100k years old? If so, the fact that it would be working at all would is amazing.

    2. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 4, Informative

      The ship has been flying a lot longer than the Ancients planned. That's because they learned to ascend, and never ended up using the ship.

    3. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 3, Informative

      When they were digging through the supplies which came from Earth, there were Ancient crates right there too. So not only have they not looked all over the ship, but they've not even opened boxes which they've seen.

    4. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prolly should've filled the ship with... amm... replicators! (or is that episode3 ?)

    5. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff by tehfeer · · Score: 1

      I was also a little irritated by the handling of "The Ancients" They sent the ship out without anyone on it why the hell would the life support systems be on? They were smart enough to send the ship out unmanned and deploy stargates ahead of the ship but they left the life support systems on the whole time. This same stuff bugged me back when Atlantis came out and I was thinking cool they found the main city of the ancients its ZPMs are low on power well they should be able to create more ZPMs. Nope. Your telling me these tiny research labs in caves have ZPMs but the main city of the ancients doesn't have some type of ZPM factory in it? However I will continue to watch it because I am a huge stargate fan!

    6. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Ancients are omnipotent NOW that they have ascended. When mortal their body were just a frail as our are. No, the writers are fine. You just need some critical thinking skills (and maybe to actually watch the show you're bitching about).

    7. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff by LazyBoot · · Score: 1

      Didn't I see some ancient crates in one of the scenes, that they just hadn't gotten around to check if are safe to open?

    8. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff by SlayerofGods · · Score: 1

      If it's been flying a lot longer than they planed why did they have the foresight to send the automated stargate building probes to the galaxy that the ship is currently in?
      I'm sooo waiting for them to explain that one ;)

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    9. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're not talking Hollywood. We're talking Vancouver. [/nitpick]

    10. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff by sorak · · Score: 1

      But they were also able to create Stargates that could last kajillians of years, without having to recharge the batteries, but they chose to skimp on the space ship.

    11. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the troubles the Atlantis expedition ran into when they first entered the city, it seems prudent not to have kitchen staff and random civilians opening crates full of Ancient technology before they've fully taken stock of the situation. I'm sure they'll get to it soon enough, hopefully with trained scientists who will still manage to screw things up for the sake of a good plot.

    12. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      It's been flying a lot longer than they planned without a human presence on board to monitor and repair things. That's why the computers and large mechanisms are mostly still working. It's only the modular components that are tending to break.

    13. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't the ship supposed to be like 100k years old? If so, the fact that it would be working at all would is amazing.

      IIRC Atlantis was millions of years old and seemed to be working fine. Well, aside from the batteries being dead.

  26. Depends on your definition of "real" and "good"... by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "The TV Landscape needs more real, good sci-fi: there's not a lot of it left, even on the moronically renamed Syfy channel." You can argue "real" and "good" if you want, but there's more new sci-fi television coming out now than there probably ever has been. I'd call both Lost and Heroes sci-fi. And they're both major shows on network television. Also, on the other side of the pond Doctor Who has had a revival in a very big way. It's on hiatus for now but will be back on or near December. But the two spin-offs are both airing new shows. There's a BSG spin-off. Dollhouse survived another year. The V revival is coming. The aforementioned Stargate... The biggest dearth of Sci-Fi television right now comes from the channel that used to be devoted to it.

  27. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ghost hunting is my interest.

  28. Flashback format getting old... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1
    I enjoyed the show and have hopes for a quality series, though it does seem like a mash-up of other Sci-Fi shows, so my hopes are measured. I will say that I'm getting a little tired of the flashback format that's being used more and more (Lost, Defying Gravity, SG*U) to fill in recent history.

    Using a flashback for things further in the past, sure, but stuff that happened two days ago? Give me a break. I'm sure the writers (or network) want to get on with the action, but is a linear story so bad, especially in the premiere episode?

    I think I would have enjoyed a little more foreplay before the real action started...

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  29. Stargate B-Team by gedrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I didn't like it. Seemed as if they rounded up the disfunctional people; from military personnel with discipline issues to an MMO geek who's living with his mom (who seems like a Wesley Crusher stand in for the show), and decided they'd be an exciting group of people to sail across the universe on a ship that's about as functional as its crew. I find the makeup of the "crew" absurd, and expect they'll spend the time SG-1 would have used to explore the galaxy, make friends, and fight bad guys to backstab each other and generally angst their way across the universe. Say what you will, but with Jack, Sam, Teal'c and Daniel doing their job, I felt like the people of their universe could at least know they had quality people on the line. Even the Atlantis group seemed to be made of folks with extraoridinary levels of competency in their fields. These guys...well...these guys open sealed doors with flashing red lights on busted up spaceships.

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    1. Re:Stargate B-Team by kbmxpxfan · · Score: 1

      Agreed

    2. Re:Stargate B-Team by HikingStick · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The bizzare mixture of people that are on the ship did seem contrive, yet it also seemed plausible. After all, the base came under attack during a political visit, and the survivors are only those who made it to the gate room (though, from the sound of the reports on Earth, very few were lost and only 80 were MIA--about as many as made it through the gate). Such visits often bring an enterage of extra people along for the ride (I'm surprised we didn't have any chroniclers or archivists along). For those who followed the other two SG shows, the other beuraucratic types had been trying to exert civillian oversight and control over the Stargate program for many years. It makes sense that they were now in a place to have more "useless" people among the refugees. There were two primary things that bugged me about the pilot (apart from the sex scene that did nothing to support the plot and was a lame way to show character relationships):
      1. if the ship had a video drone system and the game geek was using it to record his perceived final hours, why didn't anyone think of trying to play back the ship's own video or other logs?
      2. in SG-Atlantis, in order to activate most Ancient tecnology, at least the first time, it needed to be handled by someone with the Ancient genetic marker. They may have decided to drop that bit to lower the tech content, or they may be operating under the premise that all SG team members now must receive the genetic marker via injection before going through a gate. That leaves you to wonder about the boy genius...

      Overall, it seems interesting enough to pull me back again, but we'll have to see how well it maintains my interest. As to the person who questioned the premise of the inmanned, unarmed (or poorly armed) ship that was bouncing between galaxies, it does seem to be something that would fit the mythology of the Ancients as presented in the other shows. If the Ancients presumably seeded life across multiple galaxies, they might have used a ship like the one in the show to do some automatic (manned or unmanned) journeys to find suitable sites. It's possible that, when the ship was fully operational, that even things like the drones could have been dispatched automatically to check and record conditions. Then, if the ship's programming was set (or got switched to autopilot during a crisis) to travel through a number of galxies in a circuit, it might have cycled back through Pegasus Galaxy, where Atlantis could have called it home to load up with a crew. It obviously did support a crew at one point, so they will probably find some means of affecting repairs and making food on-board. My guess for the first season plot progression is that it will include the following elements:

      • discovery that, if repaired, the ship's shields can prevent the venting problems
      • That the ship might possibly be able to self-repair, if well-powered
      • the need for augmenting,repairing, recharging, and/or replacing the power system will be a significant arc
      • They will encounter some people groups planted by the Ancients in other galaxies
      • The concept of returning to the Milky Way will become a veritable quest for the Holy Grail

      The one thing that will be interesting about this show is if and how they could introduce a common enemy or villian (apart from an internal one). Since it seems they will be spending only 12 hours at a time in each location (each galaxy?), that would make it hard to have a series-long common enemy (e.g., Goa'uld, Wraith), unless they use the most overused sci-fi plot device of them all: they just disturbed a super-advanced race that is now aware of their presence and will follow them at all costs because they want to get back to the source of the meat buffet (e.g., Wraith, Borg). I'm also interested in learning more about Rush. It seems he already has alterior motives.

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    3. Re:Stargate B-Team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't you tired of watch a show where all the characters are the best in their field, and so perfect in every way? How many people are really like that? And what is the chance that they will all be on the same team in in the same group?

    4. Re:Stargate B-Team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was one of the goals of SG:U... Its a far cry from the hand picked professionals of Atlantis; where McKay would know instantly what needs to be done right and can get it done right away. Here the characters need to learn and can make mistakes. Its mostly about people who really should not have gone but now have to force themselves to learn and adapt

    5. Re:Stargate B-Team by gedrin · · Score: 1

      I don't find the combination contrived, I just feel like they're less than professional. Military personnel with discipline problems. Military personnel stealing food. CO who volounteers to decapitate his detatchment and hasn't checked in with his superiors. Scientist who disobeys orders and risks the lives of the entire lot of them. There's probably also a traitor/spy. It seems like their best hope for turning the decaying ship into a stable home is a guy who wasn't able to turn his lingo/math/computer skills into a job. The fact that an emergency evacuation makes for an odd group of people doesn't surprised me at all. Seems pretty reasonable. The fact that the evacuation supplies prepared by the military didn't include guns-water-food in any reasonable quantity seems less reasonable.

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    6. Re:Stargate B-Team by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      I believe the supplies were to be expedition supplies, rather than evacuation supplies, and those would have had water and food, but probably only enough for a five day expedition team of 5-8 persons.

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    7. Re:Stargate B-Team by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      From what I was able to get in the show, the MMO geek went to MIT and plausibly stopped because he had to take care of his mother and her medical bills. Admittedly, he was failing at this at the start of the show, but assuming the lack of completion of his MIT schooling, that's not much of a surprise.

    8. Re:Stargate B-Team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, lets open the door to the room that we have no clue about what's going on inside of while were looking for a air leak. WTF are these people doing near anything that has anything to do with anything. These kind of characters are the type to really screw the pooch.

    9. Re:Stargate B-Team by Veretax · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who thinks we may find the fourth race (the furlings?) maybe? maybe? And let me go back. There was once an alliance right? of four races, the Nocks, the Furlings, the Ancients, and the Asgard, but one thing that never made sense to me is why those races were once allies.

      We know the Asgard had enemies in the replicators during SG-1, but consider this, what brings people together more than a major enemy? However, there was the Wraith but they had been sleeping for quite a while in pegasus and the asgard reportedly had left or been wiped out there near as I can tell. So I cannot help but wonder if there is another boogie man out there that was so powerful that the combined power of the ancients, asgard, Nocks, and whoever the furlings were was needed to be able to keep them in check.

    10. Re:Stargate B-Team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn you sir for bringing up the name Wesley Crusher !!! Very bad memories are coming to me right now ! Things I never wanted to see again

      Damn you !!!

  30. SyFy is well known for by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

    introducing a great concept for a new show, letting it get popular, then letting it wither, then killing it before its time.

    This has happened before and this will happen again.

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  31. soap opera in space by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

    This is yet another "sci fi" show that's just a soap opera that happens to take place in space. The people behind the show said it themselves, they're trying to make it into a show that's more interesting to everyone, not just sci fi geeks. They're lowing the sci fi content and focusing on inter-character relationships and drama. Just looking at the future previews in the commercials, it's obvious it's going to be like Battlestar Galactica x 100 when it comes to over the top drama and it's going to have a hell of a lot lower sci fi content. They might as well have named it Dawson's Creek in space or The Hills in space because that's what it is.

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    1. Re:soap opera in space by gedrin · · Score: 1

      They'll even have a Gould (spies revealed the Icarus base location to the Gould) to stand in for skinjobs.

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    2. Re:soap opera in space by Asclepius99 · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen SGU yet, but that's not really surprising. I'm actually surprised they even did the show as Syfy has consistently said things along the lines of wanting to do "earth based" television series and generally not wanting to do strictly scifi programming. I don't see why they don't just do make some kick ass science fiction, if it's a budget thing they could cancel 5 or 6 awful Syfy Original Movies that we wouldn't miss anyway.

  32. My thoughts by moniker127 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Personally I look forward to every episode in the stargate series. I was a big fan of SG1 for a while, and while I didn't like atlantis at first, I eventually did- realizing that it was its own thing.
    At first I was kind of scared with the direction they were taking it with stargate universe. I don't like watching drama shows. I thought back to the new battlestar galactica- which was okay- but honestly not my favorite series.
    I just hope they don't try too hard to copy what battlestar galactica did. I kind of have the feeling that they want to- given the similarities of characters- Nicholas Rush is a over emotional long haired scientist guy who is possibly evil possibly insane- just like gaius baltar. I have a feeling that they're trying to adama-fy Col. Everett Young- but that wont work. Edward James Olmos defined that character. They cant duplicate him.

    What i'm hoping is that they will realize they're going to fail if they copy another series, and they warp the characters a bit so that they're not the same. I'm hoping that once they do that- i'll lose the sour taste in my mouth.
    Anyway- I do like the gamer dude- Eli Wallace- but I feel like it was kind of an obvious ploy of them to put him in- they know most of the people who watch the show are fat male gamers who went to college (like myself). Regardless- that should inject some humor into the series- and that is the main reason I loved the series- because of the witty comic relief- like when Jack O'neal made some wise crack at the big scary aliens- or when Rodney Mckay yelled at the other characters for forgetting something that was blatently obvious to the viewer- but would've been left in the background in any "first generation" sci fi series - like startrek and such.

    Anyway- I feel like i've geeked out enough for one blurb, I may as well be the fat comic book guy at this point- so i'll cut my blurb short.

  33. Brown's Orthopedic Supplies by Jumpin'+Jon · · Score: 1

    Will we ever see an episode where the SG team visit Brown's Orthopedic Supplies I wonder?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Mitchell_and_Webb_Sound

    For UK /.ers, you can listen again That Mitchell and Webb Sound on iPlayer.

    1. Re:Brown's Orthopedic Supplies by Lemming+Mark · · Score: 1

      Hopefully they won't upset the Alions by misusing the Star Gate!

  34. Stargate + Voyager + Battlestar Galactica + Petra by pudge · · Score: 1

    That about sums it up.

    I'll keep watching for now.

    In case you missed the final reference ... compare SG:U ship to Not of This World album cover.

    Oh, also, with all the kids in SG:U, I keep wanting to call it "Stargate University."

  35. The bold new face of science fiction! by Mad+Quacker · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Scientists are evil scheming power hungry liars that screw everything up.
    2. Politicians are selfless and caring human beings who will gladly give up their lives for you.
    3. Thirty year old gamers living with their mom are solving for the Grand Unified Theory by playing Warcraft 18 hours a day.

    Well, at least they didn't leave out the patronization.

    *sigh* to me it feels like the era of good science fiction is over.

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    1. Re:The bold new face of science fiction! by Lemming+Mark · · Score: 1

      1. Scientists are evil scheming power hungry liars that screw everything up.

      And yet, no matter how long I work at my PhD, I don't get the chance to gain power or influence, destroy the world or control people. This sucks, it was seriously mis-sold to me.

      2. Politicians are selfless and caring human beings who will gladly give up their lives for you.

      When watching BSG that hadn't occurred to me but ... yeah. *boggle*

      3. Thirty year old gamers living with their mom are solving for the Grand Unified Theory by playing Warcraft 18 hours a day.

      Well, at least they didn't leave out the patronization.

      *sigh* to me it feels like the era of good science fiction is over.

      Fortunately, now that economic and epidemiology research is being conducted on WoW, Everquest, etc they can at least claim to be furthering science in some sense!

    2. Re:The bold new face of science fiction! by curmudgeous · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." George HW Bush

      I knew there was a reason I never liked that guy.
      - card-carrying atheist, and proud of it

    3. Re:The bold new face of science fiction! by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      It is doubtful that the former President ever said this.

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    4. Re:The bold new face of science fiction! by curmudgeous · · Score: 1

      I just did a quick Google search on the quote and found the following. Don't know if it's true or not, but it makes for good reading.

      http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.htm

    5. Re:The bold new face of science fiction! by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that is the quote and what started the firestorm. Problem is there is not corroborating evidence. Others have chimed in and claimed that the exchange never occurred. So did it happen? Maybe. but if one is claiming to be a skeptic, then one needs a little higher standard of proof before tagging a quote onto someone like that.

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    6. Re:The bold new face of science fiction! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i could go by with all that for a while if they left out the shaky camera and exagerated drama soap opera.

    7. Re:The bold new face of science fiction! by curmudgeous · · Score: 1

      I agree. The guy I was replying to was using it as his tag line and it was the first time I'd heard it. It wouldn't really surprise me, though, to find it was true.

    8. Re:The bold new face of science fiction! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Scientists are evil scheming power hungry liars that screw everything up.
      2. Politicians are selfless and caring human beings who will gladly give up their lives for you.
      3. Thirty year old gamers living with their mom are solving for the Grand Unified Theory by playing Warcraft 18 hours a day.

      Well, at least they didn't leave out the patronization.

      *sigh* to me it feels like the era of good science fiction is over.

      Dude, you took the words right out of my mouth.

      Don't forget about the attempt at "Galactican" behavior right after going through the gate - It appeats that the mad dash through the gate made me so hot that I just had to have sex in a completely foreign and unknown environment - fits neither Science Fiction nor drama accurately or tastefully.

  36. Re:So? by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    Yeah seriously, I wiped Syfylis from my Tivo.. They can keep their ECW and stupid "haunting" show crap..

  37. Syfy - Not moronic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but being able to create a channel brand by fiat is something they should have done EARLIER. What it was, is largely irrelevant.

  38. Macgyver by MarkvW · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Stargate worked because of Macgyver. His wry humor made it easy to take the logic faults of the show. Tilc also evolved into a very interesting character.

    But in the end, it was Macgyver who made Stargate. If Lou Diamond Phillips doesn't end up being as wooden as Edward James Olmos, I'll be (pleasantly) shocked. The good space shows need to have an actor who can portray inspirational leadership. People would follow Macgyver, Kirk, Picard, or Janeway anywhere. Avery Brooks and Scott Bakula, not so much.

    1. Re:Macgyver by Spad · · Score: 1

      I always felt it was the humour - of which Richard Dean Anderson was the main proponent - that made Stargate really stand out for other similar Sci-Fi shows. It never took itself too seriously (like Star Trek) and the whole of the main cast were very Genre Savvy (Except where the plot required it) which made for a lot of the entertaining exchanges with what would otherwise be horribly clichéd villains.

    2. Re:Macgyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry, but unfortunately Shatner killed kirk with his own ego. Janeway was killed by bad writing, Bakula too... Brooks was killed by those annoying bajorians.

    3. Re:Macgyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People would follow Macgyver, Kirk, Picard, or Janeway anywhere. Avery Brooks and Scott Bakula, not so much.

      Picard? Are you nuts? Just for allowing the likes of Crusher ( mother or son ) on his ship, he should have been court marshalled. Bleech! And Troi? Oh puhleeze!

    4. Re:Macgyver by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Tilc also evolved into a very interesting character.

      Indeed.

      (a joke, if you're a fan of the show)

    5. Re:Macgyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Avery Brooks and Scott Bakula, not so much.

      Don't talk shit about Hawk and Dr. Sam Beckett.

      DS9 was a good show, it just started slow. The problem with Enterprise was with the writing, not Scott Bakula. He made the poor writing in the first two seasons watchable.

  39. Re:Depends on your definition of "real" and "good" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You forgot Eureka! If genre mixing shows like Lost and Dollhouse get included as sci-fi, then so should Eureka.

  40. Sliders! by Nick+Fel · · Score: 1

    Lots of likenesses being thrown around here and elsewhere, but nobody seems to be mentioning Sliders, what with the limited time on each world before the get whisked off automatically, opening up countless opportunities for team members to get stuck in stupid places and risk being left behind... remember Sliders? No?

    1. Re:Sliders! by Spad · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My thoughts exactly - it's Voyager (Stuck in the middle of nowhere) + Sliders (Limited time window to explore planets without any control of which ones).

      That's not to say it's bad - I enjoyed the first episode(s), apart from the annoying flashback (they'd better be one-offs because if it turns into Lost then I'm out) and I think it's got a lot of potential if they're clever about it.

      One thing that gets me though; the ancients built thousands of Stargates with 9 chevrons - 6 co-ordinates, 1 point of origin, 1 "area code", 1 apparently special one - and then only ever use the 9th one to allow them to get from one specific Stargate (that was seemingly in the wrong place) to one specific ship. Why the hell didn't they just give the ship its own "area code" instead?

    2. Re:Sliders! by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Uh, no.

      Sliders was about traveling to the same "Earth", but in alternate universes. The whole show was about the multi-verse theory involving quantum physics.

      The book Time Line was based off the same idea. It was an alternate universe of which the timeline lagged behind their original universe. The concept allows for traveling back in time (sort of speak) without invoking a paradox.

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    3. Re:Sliders! by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      Maybe there are other ships...

    4. Re:Sliders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eli explained why near the beginning of the episode. It was like a code to keep the wrong people from using it from the wrong location. It was a sortof "internal use only" or a local area network between the origin and the destination.

    5. Re:Sliders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably like IPv4 versus IPv6. 9 chevrons provide you with a huge number of addresses, but do you really need all of them? They didn't have to use the ninth for the ship, but since it's there why not use it for something really special? Or maybe the ninth chevron has something special about it that allows it to easily connect to a constantly moving Stargate. I haven't seen much of SG-1, so I don't know if it's ever explained exactly how a Stargate reconnects to the network. Maybe you can search for gates. Maybe the ninth chevron is a value that says, "Search broadly in this area." If there's only one Stargate that far out there you could search a pretty broad area of space and be fairly sure you'll hit the right one.

    6. Re:Sliders! by fhaq · · Score: 1

      I think there's more than just that one "unique" stargate, and probably more that just that one ship. There's probably a couple of them at least, all on ships running around the universe each with the "unique" stargate, and they each need a 9th chevron to dial.

    7. Re:Sliders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it was the first (or second) address at the 9th chevron?

      Maybe 9th is RSVP for extensive power drain gates.

      PS: my cap. is hookers.

    8. Re:Sliders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My intuition hints to 8 coordinates for a stationary target, and 9 for a moving target?
      Well actually they mentioned that the address wasn't really an address but a 'code' of some sort... that's why it worked with earth as the origin although they weren't on earth.

    9. Re:Sliders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basically just said the same thing in regard to Sliders and Voyager.

      As for the 9th chevron ... perhaps 0 for planets and 1 for ships?
      Who is to say that this was the only ship they planned on (or have) launched? This could have been the only ship they launched form earth which is why it required the earth chevron.

    10. Re:Sliders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My thoughts exactly - it's Voyager (Stuck in the middle of nowhere) + Sliders (Limited time window to explore planets without any control of which ones).

      That's not to say it's bad - I enjoyed the first episode(s), apart from the annoying flashback (they'd better be one-offs because if it turns into Lost then I'm out) and I think it's got a lot of potential if they're clever about it.

      One thing that gets me though; the ancients built thousands of Stargates with 9 chevrons - 6 co-ordinates, 1 point of origin, 1 "area code", 1 apparently special one - and then only ever use the 9th one to allow them to get from one specific Stargate (that was seemingly in the wrong place) to one specific ship. Why the hell didn't they just give the ship its own "area code" instead?

      Dude,

      Then the characters would have never noted any discrepency and thus, the entire thing would have eluded their attentions - the whole reason the group of characters were gathered there in the first place.

      That's the beauty of SciFi - just make something up. After all, it's SciFi, which means we can come up with anything we want - as long as it's consistent within it's own "Universe".

  41. Defying Gravity by axor1337 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I real look forward to seeing how the develop the story line and characters, but it does seam like a stargate version of Voyager. I am wanting the rest of Defying Gravity to Air soon, I think it is the best new original show on any of the big 4 broadcast networks,(FOX CBS ABC NBC)

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  42. Re:So? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

    Troll? For defending the honor of geekdom? You fanboys are more uptight than the Teal'c at the Vagina Monologues.

  43. I'm reminded, surreally of Space: 1999 by Lemming+Mark · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Wikipedia article on SG:U seems to imply that, whilst they're stuck on a starship they can't actually drive the thing where they want to go and are restricted to hopping on and off via its onboard stargate when they get near interesting things. So it's a bit like Voyager but somebody stole their steering wheel.

    Space: 1999, a British sci-fi (60s or 70s, I'd guess) had a similar setup but it was based on the slightly more bonkers-sounding premise that the crew were stuck on a moonbase and that the entire moon had been catapulted across the galaxy. When the moon went through an interesting neighbourhood they'd sometimes hop off and take a look around, then they'd jump back on again before it left. Surreal stuff! Despite the dodgy science and costumes they actually had some quite good episodes with interesting plot ideas.

    As an SG1 fan, I'd just like to say "Please let it be good! Please let it be good!". That is all.

    1. Re:I'm reminded, surreally of Space: 1999 by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      Space: 1999, a British sci-fi (60s or 70s, I'd guess) had a similar setup but it was based on the slightly more bonkers-sounding premise that the crew were stuck on a moonbase and that the entire moon had been catapulted across the galaxy. When the moon went through an interesting neighbourhood they'd sometimes hop off and take a look around, then they'd jump back on again before it left. Surreal stuff! Despite the dodgy science and costumes they actually had some quite good episodes with interesting plot ideas.

      What do you mean 60s or 70s? Space: 1999 is as seventies as you can get! I haven't seen SG:U yet either, but if your description of the premise is accurate, I would consider the premise sillier than what the S:1999 premise was for mid-70s audience. I mean, apart from the "ship stuck on auto pilot" convenience, using a Stargate to visit "interesting things you get near to" is the lamest use for a wormhole that I have heard of. Ok, it could still be a good show though, silly/convenient premises are sometimes put to good use.

      PS. When comparing a show to Space:1999 be aware that the latter will always win in at least one category. The opening sequence of the funkiest 70's beat alternating with the pompous symphonic theme and all that over the preview scenes of the current episode, cannot be topped!

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    2. Re:I'm reminded, surreally of Space: 1999 by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      I remember seeing some episodes of that in 2000 and thinking the name was out of date :)

    3. Re:I'm reminded, surreally of Space: 1999 by Lemming+Mark · · Score: 1

      Yeah, OK, I was leaning towards 70s as being "pretty darn likely" then had an attack of self-doubt ;-)

      And the opening music - yeah! My friends and I spent quite a lot of time randomly pulling out imaginary musical musical instruments and launching into the theme. It was awesome.

    4. Re:I'm reminded, surreally of Space: 1999 by lennier · · Score: 1

      "When the moon went through an interesting neighbourhood they'd sometimes hop off and take a look around, then they'd jump back on again before it left."

      Man, the delta-v would be a pain.

      "Hi guys, we're just passing through this solar system at 0.998 C. Whee, colours! Okay, we've got about a millisecond to explore so don't say we never get shore leave. Also, if you so much as touch a paint fleck it'll hit you with the force of a small nuclear explosion. What, back already? Well, it's a week till we get to the next star, so back to playing Hearts."

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    5. Re:I'm reminded, surreally of Space: 1999 by Lemming+Mark · · Score: 1

      With Space: 1999 it was better not to think about the science. Even by TV sci-fi standards it was ... erk.

      Like how the explosion was (if I recall correctly) on the dark side of the moon, yet propelled them away from the Earth instead of wiping out humanity. Or, heck, the fact that the explosion involved "magnetic radiation"! ;-)

      Your comment about delta-v reminds me of the very first ep tho - they were all jammed into their seats / onto the floor as the moon blasted away. Eventually they were able to get up and move around again - fair enough - then one of them comments "we're decelerating!".

      No - just no! Argggh, make it stop.

  44. Must.reply.to.thread.about.Babylon5..... by B5_geek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are many things that make B5 awesome, but the single most compelling reason for its awesomeness is the cohesive storyline. It is the only video (tv/movie) that feels like you are watching a book. Great arc episodes, fantastic writing of dialog, and growth of characters that you have never seen before make it unique and memorable in TV history.

    The StarGate Universe however has always felt like a high-school writing class in comparison. SG:U could develop into a good show, and as my TV sci-fi choices are limited I will watch it.

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    1. Re:Must.reply.to.thread.about.Babylon5..... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I was about to reply with the same thing. A B5 film would not capture what made B5 great. A B5 film would be two hours long. Babylon 5 on TV was over 70 hours long and, for the most part, was one compelling story. Crusade tried to put an episodic series into the same universe and it just wasn't very good. Some things (the apocalypse box, for example) were never developed and might have gone somewhere if the show hadn't been cancelled, but too much effort was spent making the show approachable to new viewers every episode and it suffered as a result.

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    2. Re:Must.reply.to.thread.about.Babylon5..... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      What was different in B5 from most other science fiction television, is that it tried to be just one author's vision, where JMS wrote most of the shows and kept a strong editorial control over other writers. Most other shows had a stable of writers, and used the show as just a vehicle to tell self-contained stories, and that led to a lot of inconsistencies. However it is very difficult to do it B5's way and keep to a schedule.

    3. Re:Must.reply.to.thread.about.Babylon5..... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      The StarGate Universe however has always felt like a high-school writing class in comparison.

      Stargate isn't that bad, it is nowhere near B5 level of good but it really isn't that bad. Yes it's horribly formulaic but the characters normally work well together (Oneill/Daniel and Shepard/McKay competitive relationships). Comparing SG to B5 is like comparing McDonald's to a nice steak restaurant. Whist the steak is obviously superior McDonalds will do in a pinch if you're really hungry but they cant be compared because they just aren't in the same class. Plus the first season of the first two stargate series weren't that good, SG1 didn't get going until season 3 and SGA started to get good about half way into season 2.

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  45. The Lost Room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Lost Room was left wide open for a regular series (or sequel). The movie sets the stage for a complex, intertwined plot, and one that doesn't rely on cheesy effects to make it work.

  46. I hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the guys fall out of the spaceship and the rest of the show is about all the girls living it up on the planets surface. Maybe they'll find Scotty's whip?

  47. BattleStar-gate by ZonkerWilliam · · Score: 1

    or Stargate Galacitica, Seems that it's Stargate meets Galactica, all with an old ship that people are fighting for survival on. Personally I'll keep watching, but if it becomes more like BSG, then its only going to be a poor re-hash, as it could never out do BSG.

  48. Lou Diamond Phillips was beyond compare by leftie · · Score: 1

    Literally.

    The character was so absent from the 2 hour premiere you are unable to compare it.

    Stan Lee has played bigger roles in the Spiderman movies than Lou Diamond Phillips played in the SGU pilot.

    1. Re:Lou Diamond Phillips was beyond compare by Unending · · Score: 1

      Seriously, why would they use a guy like him for a two line character.

    2. Re:Lou Diamond Phillips was beyond compare by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Well, he's in seven episodes so far, so I would assume he plays a big part back in the milky way somehow.

    3. Re:Lou Diamond Phillips was beyond compare by spidey3 · · Score: 1

      Thank the maker!

      Lou Diamond Phillips has to be one of the worst actors ever.

      Seeing that he was cast was definitely a downer for me. The fact that he is unlikely to appear in any further episodes is definitely a plus.

    4. Re:Lou Diamond Phillips was beyond compare by RivenAleem · · Score: 0

      Clearly because they have bigger plans for him, as is seen in EP3

  49. Gratuitous sex scene?? Really by jag7720 · · Score: 1

    Is this really necessary?!?!

    You know, one of the things I really enjoyed about about the SG series was the fact that I was NOT subjected to the gratuitous sex scene of some skank getting porked in the nearest mop closet. These scenes have absolutely no relevance to the show and really show the writers lack of ability to write a dramatic sci-fi without degrading the entire series... just another smut show.

    Writer: Scene opens... great story ensues... cant quite fill the entire time slot.... uh... hmm... oh, I know... skank in mop closet.... ya.

    Thoughts to self..."Man I am such a great writer... I hope they don't catch on."

    SG-U ... if this is what your are going to offer, just shut it off. Either that or get some better writers that don't have to fall back to flashing trash because they can't fill a complete 45 minutes with quality writing...

    1. Re:Gratuitous sex scene?? Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is it with you idiots today and your 20,000 fickin' periods? Don't they teach proper sentence structure in school anymore? Maybe you were too busy dealing with your suppressed sexuality.

    2. Re:Gratuitous sex scene?? Really by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I've not seen SG:U, but I suspect you're right. The tension between Carter and O'Neil worked really well in SG-1, especially in the episode where the Tok'ra thought Jack was a spy because a mind probe indicated that he was lying when he talked about Sam. Imagine how it would have been if they'd hooked up in the first season. Ditto with Mulder and Scully in the X Files.

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  50. The world needs SG:U by Eudial · · Score: 1

    There's something to be said for a crew on a space ship traveling aimlessly in space.

    Since Star Trek has all but died, it is up to more or less blatant Star Trek clones to carry on the torch, and since they have been running somewhat scarce the last few years, SG:U is just in time.

    It may not realize it yet, but it must become Star Trek. The Star Gate franchise has already stolen basically all of the Star Trek technology* without as much as lamp shading the fact, it is my hope that this will subtly influence them into becoming Star Trek. Someone's ears will over time grow pointy, and the women will have a sudden urge to wear mini skirts. Mark my word!

    * They have different names, but it's basically the same. Almost in a federation starship has an equivalent in a Star Gate starship.

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  51. I will never understand the attraction of Stargate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have yet to find any of these shows in this franchise watchable in the slightest... And I can happily watch pretty much any other science fiction series happily...

  52. Re:Stargate + Voyager + Battlestar Galactica + Pet by Spad · · Score: 1

    That's not the SG:U ship, that's the Hammond (Or any other ship in the same class). This is the SG:U Ship a sort of bastard child of the Millennium Falcon and that ship from Crusade.

  53. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That scene was pure genius. I thought my daughter was going to die laughing.

  54. Heroes by phorm · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing you didn't watch the premier for the current season of heroes then. I have never seen so many fricking commercials in my life. The two hours could likely have gone down under one if they'd been cut out.

  55. Directtv views don't comcast take this away by nbc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Directtv views don't comcast take this away by buying nbc.

    It would suck to have torrent this with comcarp takes it away.

  56. Re:So? by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

    The same can be said for any channel. Or movie producer. Or music label. If you want to avoid giving money to hucksters in suits who hold you in contempt, you're doomed to a mass media free existence.

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  57. is the world ready for another Star Trek series? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    One based on Academy life, like in the most recent movie. Roddenberry had proposed such, but never implmented it.

  58. Re:Only 42"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Real home theaters have a 120" plasma. Only the poor people or wanna-be's use a projector. Stop trying to act like you have money. you just look silly when you cant do it right. Bet you don't even have any Crestron gear in your home.

  59. Not for me by hawk1975 · · Score: 1

    I agree. I loved SG-1. I was skeptical of Atlantis until I watched it; and then loved it. I was skeptical of Universe but willing to give it a chance. After watching the opener of SGU I am extremely disappointed. I nearly fell asleep in the middle out of boredom. If it was bad but tolerable I would still watch it, but its not even tolerable. The problem is that its not Stargate. The show is obviously designed for a different demographic. To accomplish that they took everything about stargate that I like out and put everything about tv that I hate in. The biggest draw of Stargate was adventure and discovery. All SGU seems to have is forced angst. I don't get it. If they wanted another BSG why not just make another BSG? No need to drag stargate into this mess.

  60. Re:Stargate + Voyager + Battlestar Galactica + Pet by pudge · · Score: 1

    Oh yeah, you're right. I just picked the first image I found. That's the one.

    Looks like a guitar to me.

  61. Re:Only 42"??? by mweather · · Score: 3, Funny

    You need to get yourself a girlfriend.

  62. Lost meets SG-1 by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    My wife and I watched the first episode - we're both fans of SG-1 and Atlantis. Neither of us particularly liked this first episode of SG-U. I know I quickly tired of the "let's have every single person be involved in at least one interpersonal conflict" writing style, and the repeated use of "the more quick camera cuts centered on a single event, the better" direction. Oh, and that opening scene just dragged on and on and on... I found myself talking back to the TV "All right, we GET it already!".

    We'll probably watch one or two more, but based on that first episode... I'm afraid they realized going into this new series that they had no new ideas at all. Faux-gritty writing and direction rarely end up producing good television. Can it be popular? Obviously - just look at 2/3 of what comes out of the big three networks anymore. But after a while all that sameness blends together and is eminently forgettable.

    It's too bad, because the concept itself seems like it could be interesting - in more skilled hands...

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  63. All I can say is... by bbroerman · · Score: 1

    At least there is one SciFi sort-of space type show on TV... That's about it... no other reason to watch it... It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great... I'll watch because there is nothing else on...

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  64. gamer lamer as accidental hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    How original and fresh are the writers using such a time worn premise....
    really, that's the only way you can bring the slob/couch potato/ipod lover into the story line....

    >Sadly, it's all we have.

    True. But that's the kind of talk that allowed Enterprise to last through 4 sorry seasons..

    I want Carlyle to stand out (i wished he was the next Doctor) but the material is awful and cliched beyong belief (and not the good Dr Who kind).

    I dont want soap opera in space but sadly we have mediocre acting being upstaged by even more mediocre writing.

    Please kill E-lie.
    Have him lose his bodily functions like Pike and just get him to stfu.

  65. Time scales don't jive with the rest of the SGvers by plasmacutter · · Score: 0

    its simple.. in atlantis they travel from one galaxy to the next within about 2 months.

    The "course" shown on the pilot indicates this "amazing new wonder" the ancients created was in fact defective by design.

    by all rights, even if it crossed half the universe, this spaceship should have only taken a couple decades, not several hundred thousand years.

    Welcome to the world of gross continuity errors! For other examples see this parody of the crappy 09 star trek movie.

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  66. Not liking some characters by puddles · · Score: 1

    Dr. Rush: should learn to submit the hysterical Chloe, maybe learn a choke hold or two.

    Matthew Scott: I see we're going to have several episodes of him goofing things up ... sigh.

    Eli Wallace: "The holographic doctor", without the humor.

    Ronald Greer: somebody please blow this homicidal maniac out the airlock already, before he blows up the ship.

  67. 1080p? by eav · · Score: 1

    Is SG:U available anywhere in 1080p? I've seen it in 720p, but I want all the eye candy.

  68. Gatestar Galactica? by alexwcovington · · Score: 1

    Making the pilot itself a cliffhanger? Edgy. But this one seems to push all the envelopes, now doesn't it? Main characters that aren't good have not been a staple of the Stargate series, and I'm just not getting into it. They say that people are going to get left behind on this show? Dr. Rush and Sgt. Greer need to be the first ones.

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  69. Re:is the world ready for another Star Trek series by Samgilljoy · · Score: 1

    I don't think implementation was Roddenberry's forté. He had a large number of rather vague and disconnected ideas about things.

    I think Star Trek on television is pretty much dead. For all its cheeziness, DS9 was a real step forward, having embraced the concept of long story arcs. Enterprise just took things backwards and nosedived. The writers seemed to resent the idea of long story arcs or consistency. They constantly gravitated towards the episodic and attempts at striking moments.

  70. Re:is the world ready for another Star Trek series by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    yes yes please! more fodder!

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  71. Re:Depends on your definition of "real" and "good" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dollhouse is worse than fail. I've given it two honest chances, but it just plain sucks.

    Eureka is lighthearted and fun.

  72. Atlantis sucked too.. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    The premise of the entire series is the search for these over-grown AA batteries they called zpm's.

    They had one at half capacity, and they had a machine that could xerox any object!

    I have a book and a xerox machine, but no pens! I think i'll go to the store for some pens so i can copy the book by hand!!

    of all the stupidity....

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  73. Meh... coulda been worse I guess by morgauxo · · Score: 1

    "Since the last two series' really ran their course and deserved to end"

    Why so? OK, SG-1 kept re-inventing new villains often enough it did give the impression they were trying a bit too hard to keep an old series new. Still, there barely even started to explore the Lucian Alliance. And as for Atlantis, that ended with pretty much nothing resolved. OK, so they are supposed to come out with movies. Still, their movies seem to be little more than a season's worth of episodes condensed into a single show. I'd rather watch the show.

    As someone else mentioned, way too much interpersonal conflict. So far there is no character I can really like. Eli is too much of a mama's boy. He was beamed into a spaceship and looking down on earth all he wanted to do was call mommy. Come on! Dr. Rush is an @ss and I can't figure out if the military people are too whiny about it or not angry enough given the situation. I think they should either congratulate Dr. Rush for figuring it out (he did do all the groundwork, even if Eli put in the last piece or two) or shoot him for pretty much eliminating all chance they will see their families again. The whiny bs just isn't a good fit for soldiers. I guess this is all part of the remake for a younger audience. Does this just indicate we have a generation of whiny mamas boys reaching the age where they watch ads and buy stuff?

    I'll watch a while longer. It isn't nearly as bad as I'd feared and it will probably get better when they actually get off the ship and do something. Speaking of which I was rather disappointed that in an hour they never really got beyond setting up the plot we all knew was coming a year ago. Very slow start.

    1. Re:Meh... coulda been worse I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eli is there to appeal to us specifically. He is us, the average Anonymous Cowardon, basement-dwelling unemployed virgin gamer genius.

  74. Re:Only 42"??? by michrech · · Score: 1

    Between my experiences with Extron/AMX and Crestron at work, I can tell you that Crestron will *never* have any gear in my home -- ever.

    To tell a guy that just spent thousands on automation gear that he can't have the software because he's "just an end user" is crazy. I bought the hardware. I'm not leasing it. There was no "license" for how I can use the hardware. It's *MINE*. If you're not going to let me have the software to program it, you're also not going to get any cash from me.

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  75. Been there done that by Seawitch · · Score: 0

    I found it to be predicable and boring at best. As far as I am concerned, it was a remake of Battle Star with a Stargate. Poor lost humans looking for earth. I'll give it 3 more runs but I don't expect it to get any better. Don't get me wrong, Battle Star was the bomb. We don't need another rehash of an all ready played out story line. I mean really, the uniforms even have the same style!

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

    1. Re:Been there done that by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      I found it to be predicable and boring at best. As far as I am concerned, it was a remake of Battle Star with a Stargate. Poor lost humans looking for earth. I'll give it 3 more runs but I don't expect it to get any better. Don't get me wrong, Battle Star was the bomb. We don't need another rehash of an all ready played out story line. I mean really, the uniforms even have the same style!

      That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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      Sorry, I'm still so pissed off about it.

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  76. Better yet... by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wait for someone to re-edit it into chronological sequence and download it off the 'nets.

    Jumping back and forth with the flashbacks was annoying as hell.

    1. Re:Better yet... by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      Jumping back and forth with the flashbacks was annoying as hell.

      I didn't like it either, but I'm not sure the episode would have been any better in chronological order. They needed to do it to maintain some sort of tension (how'd they get here? who's that guy? why are they angry? etc) and to make it feel different from "just another SG-1 episode". (Though I did feel like most of the characters were being deliberately stupid about the situation.)

      They could have done a lot to make the flashbacks feel much more different from the "present", though. It was hard to tell which was which. Defying Gravity did the flashback thing very well. (Apparently Lost started the flashback trend, but I don't watch Lost, so I can't compare.)

    2. Re:Better yet... by mR.bRiGhTsId3 · · Score: 1

      The flashbacks worked for me, and I think it makes sense. They need to tell 2 stories in the episode. By doing the time splits, they get to have rising action that matches together in each story line, instead of having a first hour that builds and is over followed by a second one. I think it was a great way of building tension across the entire hour.

    3. Re:Better yet... by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      I didn't mind the flashbacks themselves so much as the incompetent attempts to distinguish between flashback and present which were almost always confusing. Most of the time the flashbacks made me wonder if my TV's color settings had gotten messed up somehow (i.e. it looked washed out) instead of looking... flashback-ish.

    4. Re:Better yet... by Hybrid-brain · · Score: 1

      the washout thing was on my laptop as well, an I use an HP.

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  77. Re:Only 42"??? by artemis67 · · Score: 4, Funny

    A girlfriend with a MythTV box.

    Hey, as long as we're fantasizing here, might as well go for broke...

  78. Commercials by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    I've pretty much given up on watching series on TV because of the commercials making it a so hard to enjoy. If I want to see a series I generally now just wait until it comes out on DVD or Blu-Ray and rent it on Netflix.

    No commercials, watch it at my convenience, no cable TV glitches, and in the case of Blu-Ray, higher quality picture.

  79. Re:Only 42"??? by StarWreck · · Score: 1

    Real home theaters have a 240" OLED. Only people who don't go golfing with the CEO of Sony use plasma. Stop trying to act like you aren't nouveau riche. You just look like a yuppie when you don't have connections. Bet you don't even have HDMI 2 in your home yet.

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  80. I enjoyed it. by Viewsonic · · Score: 1
    I didn't care much for the other SG series. Everytime I tried watching them, it was just too cheese. This comes from someone who loved LEXX. I think the fact that the people on board were not over the top cliches is what kept me watching this episode. It started out seeming to be just that, with the basement dwelling computer nerd and all, but when the episode went on, he wasn't much of a nerd at all, and seems like a normal guy along for the ride. It was surprised because I kept expecting him to pull a Wesley Crusher and save the world or something. It never happened. Despite the glaringly obvious plot hole of using the damn floaty ball to push the door button instead of letting some politician sacrifice himself (Another plot hole!).

    Anyways, I enjoyed the cast, I enjoyed the unknown, I like that no one knows much about anything and they get to ride this ship on the other side of the universe. I just don't want the cheese. I don't want to see Mr. McBigHead Egyptian guy. I don't want to see much of McGyver. I just want to see a solid cast explore the unknown that I can grow to love. Maybe they'll find an android somewhere along the way....

  81. Wow, the bitching... by Graymalkin · · Score: 1

    Contrary to the prevailing opinion here I actually really enjoyed this premiere. For starters I bought the season on iTunes so I didn't have to put up with the commercials that many people did, commercial breaks every ten seconds would have pissed me off too. It seems this season there's several high budget shows premiering and the networks are trying to make all of their money on the first few episodes in case the viewership wanes later in the season. Unfortunately that tactic is likely to backfire and cause a drop-off in live viewers because no one wants to be assaults by dozens of super loud commercials over the course of an hour. Way to shoot yourself in the foot Syfy, if that's even your real name!

    On to the show itself, I enjoyed the premise and I think the show will be done well. SGU is obviously influenced by shows like Lost and Battlestar Galactica and that is fine with me, I like BSG though I have never gotten into Lost I have seen a few episodes. Stargate needed a little more creative camera work and less stable/professional characters. The SG-1 team were all highly trained experts in their fields and that made sense since they were usually the first group of people to go through a particular Stargate. Atlantis was meant from the get-go to be an expedition where they knew they would be out of contact with Earth for a long time.

    Both SG-1 and the Atlantis teams were meant to be self sufficient A-teams. The personnel of Icarus Base were third stringers on garrison duty or scientists/civilians with rudimentary if any survival and combat training. They were also not prepared to be self sufficient or separated from logistical support for any period of time. It'll be interesting to see this group survive and how well they do so, they have a fairly large cast of extras so they can potentially mow through bodies before getting to the title cast.

    The camera work I didn't really mind as it gave Stargate a different look. Both SG-1 and Atlantis were very bright and often had unobstructed camera views while SGU went for more obstructed views and a darker overall look. I think this works because they're supposed to be on a ship that is millennia old and is slowly breaking down. To me the odd camera angles and focal lengths of BSG gave a better illusion of size. Even though the set might have been forty feet across the short focal distance made the blurred background look farther away and provided the illusion of space. The darker set also helped out in this illusion. I think SGU using this technique will help make the ship look more realistic as Atlantis looked like painted wood paneling as did every planet SG-1 visited except some parts of their base.

    I think Atlantis missed the opportunity to use the darker broken down look, Atlantis like the Destiny was supposed to be old and busted it shouldn't have looked freshly painted and unworn. I hope SGU stays with the old and busted look for the Destiny. Planets they go to can look new and maintained but I'd like to see them come back to their worn down rust bucket ship at the end of the episode. This like the untrained crew could also make for some good episodes, marginally habitable planets might look pretty good to the crew compared to their broken down ship but then they have to consider they'll be stranded on that planet forever as the Destiny isn't going to be coming back for them.

    I also didn't mind the minor plot holes in the episode because they at least threw a line in afterward to give an explanation for them. Some things just have to move the story along. The Senator with a heart condition and badly broken ribs who was dying anyways decided to press the button and save everyone. I don't know why people have a problem with that. Unlike SG-1 and Atlantis there's no central decision making group (yet) that vets all solutions before deciding on one.

    I think they went to great lengths to show that the civilian and military leadership were not a unitary body and that some groups were acting with semi-autonomy from the others.

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  82. Re:Richard Dean Anderson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Stargate worked because of Richard Dean Anderson. His wry humor made it easy to take the logic faults of the show. Tilc also evolved into a very interesting character.

    But in the end, it was Richard Dean Anderson who made Stargate. If Lou Diamond Phillips doesn't end up being as wooden as Edward James Olmos, I'll be (pleasantly) shocked. The good space shows need to have an actor who can portray inspirational leadership. People would follow Macgyver, Kirk, Picard, or Janeway anywhere. Avery Brooks and Scott Bakula, not so much.

    Fixed it for you! Seriously, IMHO if you enjoy and respect the guy's work so much isn't it worth a minute to find-out his real name? Oh and I left the last "Macgyver" intentionally, because that sentence was clearly about fictional characters.

  83. Ob. Clod by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    I am not American you Insensitive Clod!

    Yes I am aware you can hide your country of origin by various means to get around this, I just can't be bothered. I will just torrent it anyway.

  84. Re:Stargate + Voyager + Battlestar Galactica + Pet by mR.bRiGhTsId3 · · Score: 1

    And here I was gonna go for bastard child of the Millenium Falcon and the Valdore from Star Trek: Nemesis.

  85. Cynical attempt to milk BSG and Stargate franchise by guidryp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I watched it without reading a single review or press release. I had no expectations of what was to come. Warning some vague spoilers may be below.

    Within 5 minutes it is clear that this is an attempt to graft BSG onto SG and in an attempt to milk both fan bases for the combined monetary gain. No doubt this idea seems brilliant in the board room.

    But the execution is the worse of both worlds. It sucks all the fun, and chemistry among lovable characters out of Stargate and replaces it with a superficial BSG veneer of angry distrust and melodrama. Nothing is left of Stargate, but the gate mechanism and some tired cameos.

    The have nothing of BSG world that made it great. Instead they assume dark, dire, angry, whiny = deep. It doesn't. It just equals annoying.

    This seems like what you would get if your made your writers watch a few episodes of BSG and make a list of BSG items. Then crib the ones you can get away with (IE nothing to do with Cylons).

    So we get dark dingy sets, angry distrusting characters, angry mob scenes, obligatory pointless sex scene, heavy flashback, heavy melodrama. None of the the heart and soul from either show.

    After seeing this appear to be a cheap BSG knockoff a quick bit of googling revealed that they at least admit this is what they were trying to do.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/08/tca-press-tour-stargate-universe-producers-aiming-for-battlestar-galacticalevel-quality.html

    "creators of "Stargate Universe," the upcoming spinoff of the long-running "Stargate SG-1," took the stage today, panelists promised a fresh, more "Battlestar"-like take on the space opera."

    I am annoyed by the cynicism and lack of originality in trying to give Stargate a BSG makeover and by the end result which felt like punishment to watch.

    YMMV of course. Some people apparently loved it.

  86. Re:Time scales don't jive with the rest of the SGv by Ksevio · · Score: 1

    They said it wasn't going through hyperspace so maybe it was a lot slower?

  87. Missing the target completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The magic of Star Trek, the original Battlestar Galactica, Bab 5, the successful SG series, and the like is the ability of people to empathise with the characters. The harmony of the Enterprise Bridge Crew, the loyalty of the Bab 5 command crew, the sacrifices of the SG1 and SG:A teams for each other. People watch because they want to belong, to respect, and admire honorable and respectable characters striving together, an escape from a real world where slimey lawyer tricks, grasping politicians, and all too many strangers would kill and/or take all you have if they thought they could get away from it. This is where the new Battlestar missed with most of the fans from the original, and why I hope to hell thas SG:U doesnt turn into a bunch of venal characters trying to survive a slow motion train wreck. Unless these characters pull together and fight what the Universe throws at them, it will crash and burn slowly, riding on the fading embers of fan loyalty.
            Remakes are tough. The remake of Battlestar was a good story, but it would have been just as good if it hadnt desecrated the original. This remake of Stargate, if it goes for all the quick cheap and easy plots based on internal conflict and human character flaws instead of true science fiction, might as well be another soap opera.

    1. Re:Missing the target completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The remake of Battlestar was a good story, but it would have been just as good if it hadnt desecrated the original.

      I still say, the only problem that BSG had was the name. If it would have been called anything else it wouldn't have gotten all the shit it did. I liked the original series (Lorne Greene kicks ass in everything he is in). I Downloaded the first season of the remake and it was good. Now I am waiting to buy the series on DVD before I get back into it.

  88. I was disappointed. by delvsional · · Score: 1

    I think I just expected a little more. Hopefully it gets better as the season goes on.

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  89. Fringe by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    I have recently gotten into the TV show Fringe. There is good science fiction out there if you look. It is hard to find and doesn't come around very often but it is out there.

    Not all of it involves spaceships and wormholes. If you are looking for specifically for spaceships and wormholes you will fall into one of two categories (unless a third gets created), that of star trek, and that of star gate. If and when a new one is created everyone will complain that it is too much like the two prior universes dispite this being the reason why people want to watch it anyway.

    Dollhouse is another that isn't bad that is new. There is of course the last season of LOST also.

    I love a good space opera just as much as the next geek, but there is more out there than just that. Having said all that I think we are ripe for a new one, Trek is gone, Star gate is gone, Scrabblestar Metallica is gone, people fondly remember Firefly, I think we are ready for the next big thing. crosses fingers.

    1. Re:Fringe by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I have recently gotten into the TV show Fringe. There is good science fiction out there if you look.

      It seemed more like fantasy when I watched it and I hate fantasy.

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    2. Re:Fringe by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Not sure what you definition of Fantasy is, however this is specifically a show about multiple parallel universes and rogue science gone amok. Many of the pieces of science are highly improbable which makes it interesting.

      Fantasy to me involves, elves, dragons, knights, magic, etc... none of which are in Fringe. The only bit of fantasy might be Pacey having an IQ of 190.

    3. Re:Fringe by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I found the majority of content on that show was indistinguishable from randomized magic, including the explanations.

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    4. Re:Fringe by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Yes, because the rest of the science fiction shows, such as Stargate and Star Trek really do science justice. How about Doctor Who, or Far Scape, X-files? Actually I would be hard pressed to find any to be quite honest. I challange you to name 3. So in that respect pretty much all science fiction would be called magic and fantasy to you.

      Its a TV show, just enjoy it. Otherwise watch Bill Nye the Science guy or some serious documentary on science because you obviously do not enjoy the genre anyway.

    5. Re:Fringe by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Yes, because the rest of the science fiction shows, such as Stargate and Star Trek really do science justice.

      I found far more logic following them - A rather consistent universe. That said, there are always exceptions, plot holes and such. I found Fringe was just over doing it completely.

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    6. Re:Fringe by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Well both have over 10 years of fictional cannon to build upon. They make up stuff consistently and use the same stuff in later episodes, or ever series. By simply repeating the use they give credibility to it. Hell I am surprised I can't find a hydrospanner at the hardware store now. It has also been explained away to death, and over time the inconsistencies filled in where possible.

      Fringe has been around for 1 year. They are still making stuff up, it is all new.

  90. Actuallty, they are stealing from Poul Anderson by old_fortran · · Score: 1

    The basic concept - send out a starship on a very long voyage of discovery with a "transmat" / "teleporter" / "stargate" on it so you can beam in and out - I vaguely remembered when I watched the pilot. That concept is the basis for the book "The Enemy Stars", by Poul Anderson (copyright 1958), and the ship's name in the book was the "Southern Cross". (My fragile paperback copy says it cost $0.50US back in 1968 or so.) Would have been a nice tribute if this ship had been given the same name (since it originated on Earth, the Southern Cross constellation would have been visible to the ancients that launched it). Don't know about the intellectual property situation, however.

    Yes, there are elements of BSG, SG-Atlantis, ST-Voyager (except this ship is heading outbound), and even ST-DS9 (since this is an alien ship that is somewhat trashed / remember the first episode of DS9?). At least this time the Colonel didn't die like he did in SG Atlantis 1-1, and leave the mission to the "young hotshot". Also, you know the rules of pilots - the B-list actor with a recognizable face gets the ax, right? Finally, the Senator would have been S-O-L once his pills ran out, so I think he made the smart move in saving his daughter's life.

    The cast has promise, they appear to be reusing lots of SG1 concepts effectively, and it is at least newish (if you can ignore that ST-TNG episode when the "Traveler" took them to the edge of reality / the first "Wesley is **really** special episode). Hey, being 7 BILLION lightyears from Earth is a bit farther away than the Pegasus galaxy.

    What else can I say? I liked what the SG Production Team did with Atlantis (died two years early in my opinion), and how the DVD movies wrapped up both the Ori and Baal story lines for SG1. It's not yet another teen vampire show, and I like the Eli character (again, his role shows their humor, using a game to find him - like "Last StarFighter" - then beaming him out of his own house to grab him).

    So SGU production team - please steal as much as you can from "classic" SciFi; we will all be thankful.

    Other random comments:
    - B5 was great, mainly because of the people. What other US SciFi show lets people have drinks, sit around in their rooms, cry like they mean it, and try to live real lives? DS9 did a lot of the same things, but B5 still seems more likable (and I liked DS9; but I own B5). Still, as much as I liked B5, I can't see it continuing without G'Kar; it just wouldn't be the same.

    - Sliders / more stealing from my favorite books; this time from Keith Laumer's "Imperium" stories (except his device was the size of a 1950's phone booth or bigger, not a handheld remote control).

    - Everyone steals, so why not SGU? / remember the ST-Enterprise episode with the derelict timeship that was "bigger on the inside than the outside"? (Someone should have just said: Q. "What model is it? A. Type 40!")

    - Dollhouse / I hate to say it, but as much as I enjoy the hell out of it, I just know Fox is going to kill it as soon as they can. Why can't they sell this kind of show to NewsCorp / SkyNET (perhaps they do, but it may not be enough). While it is still a fairly original show (relatively / not about space, time travel, or robots), it is likely too expensive for its own good (**cough** Farscape **cough**).

    - Someone find Claudia Black and Ben Browder some new work. I suggest Robert Heinlein's "The Glory Road". Read it and see what I mean.

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  91. SGU Or BSG VOYAGER by forestwalkerjoe · · Score: 0

    Notice a lot of BSG crewin the Mix- UNEmpoyment Line must have been near the SGU cattle call, Lets hope this is not Just a show Bootie Sci-fi. Remake of BSG with atlantis tech. Bootie Soap with high tech Shoots and Ladders.

  92. Babylon Five Virgin by FrozenFrog · · Score: 1

    There's an excellent blog (disclaimer: Author is a friend of mine) that details the journey of someone who has never seen Babylon 5 before (a B5 "virgin").

    She writes a blog entry for every episode of all 5 seasons. Excellent read, and made me want to watch it all again from the start.

    Babylon Five Virgin

    Frog

  93. Dollhouse has more naked skin. by quax · · Score: 1

    I really think they are that shallow.

  94. Adam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I watched the first hour and a half. By then I actually was too bored to finish it. It didn't seem to offer anything new. The characters were so bland it was hard to tell which would really be the main characters as the show continues. I don't think the plot would have made much sense to anyone who had not previously watched sg1 and atlantis. Overall I'm disappointed, but not surprised.

  95. My brief two cents... by antdude · · Score: 1

    ... I watched its series premiere, and wasn't impressed. It felt like Star Trek (spaceships), Battlestar Galactica, etc. but worse. I still prefer SG-1. Atlanta wasn't that good either.

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    1. Re:My brief two cents... by UncleBex · · Score: 1

      Dude... don't pick on Atlanta. That's not cool. I hear that they have an awesome airport and in the future, hopefully, it will be underwater and inhabited by mer-people.

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  96. "Keno" vs. Keyhole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the phrase was "Keyhole". As in the spy satellites that the US uses (used?).

  97. Caveats by DerWulf · · Score: 1

    [spoiler] I can't be unique in being annoyed by "drama" involving characters I barely know. Unfortunately SC Universe insisted that someone had to play the tragic hero and die in the first 50 minutes. The next 10 minutes were, surprise, filled with a hysteric woman, related to the dead "hero", crying, screaming, yelling and waxing nostalgically. I fucking hate that. Why do writers think they need these cliches and emotional breakdowns to give their story meat? Is this really what they think the audience had in mind when they turned on science fiction? [/spoiler]

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  98. Re:Time scales don't jive with the rest of the SGv by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    I've not seen it yet, but another comment mentioned that the ship had been seeding planets with stargates. If that's the case then it would have spent most of its time in galaxies, doing short hyperspace jumps between star systems, which would explain a relatively small total distance travelled.

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  99. Adds are great for a TV show. by Forge · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I couldn't believe how many ads appeared during this thing.

    Unlike Taco, I would be very happy to see ridiculous numbers of adds during every episode of SGU. The reason is quite simple. Adds pay for TV. The shows exist as a way to get people to watch adds.

    This means that a show on Network TV or "Basic Cable" will survive as long as it attracts enough adds to cover the cost of production and give the station a tidy profit. So I want adds on all the shows I love. Lots and lots of adds.

    PS: This is true, even if I don't actually watch those adds.

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    1. Re:Adds are great for a TV show. by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > Unlike Taco, I would be very happy to see ridiculous numbers of adds during every episode of SGU. The reason is quite simple. Adds pay for TV. The shows exist as a way to get people to watch adds.

      Right, and any nerd worth his propeller hat skips over them anyway.

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    2. Re:Adds are great for a TV show. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know how mathematics falls into things. Maybe you mean ADS

    3. Re:Adds are great for a TV show. by MrLint · · Score: 1

      They could have 1 ad for every 1 minute of show. The budget will be cut and the production values to follow, and we'll be left with what was left of sg-1 and SGA, poor meatginder plots.

    4. Re:Adds are great for a TV show. by Flentil · · Score: 1

      You don't get it. They could have 10 commercials for $1 each, or 2 commercials for $5 each (scale up accordingly). We don't need more commercials, just higher advert rates.

    5. Re:Adds are great for a TV show. by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      I don't know how Active Directory Services falls into things. Maybe you mean ads

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    6. Re:Adds are great for a TV show. by Forge · · Score: 1

      That doesn't mean you should trumpet this fact. If it gets around far enough, then geek programs will disapear from Network TV or Basic Cable.

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    7. Re:Adds are great for a TV show. by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, to any TV execs who may be listening, I watch every commercial with my shopping list in my lap.

      Seriously, in a time when the Tivo sounds (bo-beep, be-boop, donk donk donk) are immediately recognizable to much of TV watching America, is there any point in pretending anymore?

      Yes, I know the usual arguments, but I think Sanctuary, Doctor Horrible, et al, have proven that an engrossing story can be had through unconventional means.

      And really -- I've only seen the first fifteen minutes of Stargate Universe so far (daughter wanted to watch Big Bang) but everything I've seen so far could be accomplished with a high school gym, a cast of unknowns, and a row of Macs. Maybe a small render farm on the back-end. It's the writing, not all the other stuff.

      And interestingly enough, writers are the ones so often pissed on by the industry. This leaves the people responsible for the guts of the shows you watch looking for different business models where they can maybe get a larger slice of a smaller pie.

      I think all that's holding together the old TV business model are the non-technical boomers who grew up with the old TV watching model -- climb into the barcolounger, remote in one hand, sixpack in the other, and let the TV connect to your brain from the beginning of prime time to the end of the 11:00 news. Once they start to die out, conventional TV is going to be in big trouble.

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  100. Re:Only 42"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry about your penis.

  101. Interesting Premise, Uninteresting Characters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a whole I think that the premise of the show has real promise, but original premises isn't what made the other Stargate shows a hit. The situations that they where in and the solutions weren't original in the least. What made those shows where the characters and character development. So far there isn't a single character on the show that I really could get behind. As a rule I will give a new show at least 3 episodes to get established before passing judgement but unless they can do some character development to make at least one character likable. The closest they got was Eli and he was more pity then like for me. The other concern for me is if they are traveling through out the universe with a FTL drive randomly jumping here and there, there is a real danger that it become a planet of the week show not really having anything to tie the entire show together. The other Stargates have had a 'big bad' to tie things together I can't see how they can do this randomly jumping in and out of FTL travel all the time.

  102. Re:Time scales don't jive with the rest of the SGv by jnaujok · · Score: 1

    They claim early on in the show that they are doing, "Faster than light travel, but not though hyperspace."

    The ship has been traveling for 100,000 years, so you have to use Ancient technology from Atlantis minus 90,000 years. So, that's the equivalent of pushing the human race from space-flight back to before the Clovis Point culture.

    So, it's entirely likely that this ship is not the "latest and greatest" intergalactic hyperspace super-cruiser capable of the Kessel run in under 5 parsecs. (Sorry, mixing metaphors.)

    The ancients were sending these ships out to other galaxies because it was prohibitive for them to make the journey in ships, that would indicate years, decades, or centuries to do inter-galactic travel. The course they showed on the monitor -- "Billions of light years" -- took 100,000 years, that's a speed roughly 10,000 times the speed of light. That sounds fast, but still represents a 3.4 hour trip from Earth to Proxima Centauri (3.8 light years). Fast enough for interstellar travel, but nothing like what you'd need to hop galaxies.

    So, just like we send unmanned probes out to Pluto (New Horizons), the ancients sent an un-manned vessel to other galaxies. Then, if it takes 50 years, who cares? It's not like anyone has to ride it.

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  103. Spin off from the Spin off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ironically, I find the plot device more interesting the actual show.

    The scene with the lushen alliance using guo-uld motherships had more potential than the broken down lost in space plot they are rolling with.

  104. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff *spoilers* by ansel1 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but wait...There are rings ahead of them. That means either: - The ship has reached it's "destination", in the galaxy where the ring builder ships were programming to start building rings, in which case, you would expect the ancients to have built the ship to survive at least long enough to get to its planned destination in good shape, OR - the ring builder ships have been building rings in all the galaxies along the way, in which case, you would expect the ancients should just have programmed the ring builder ships to build galaxy rings, and then jumped directly to the galaxies, rather than jumping to the ship. They would have hopped from one galaxy to the next to catch up to the ring building ships, kind of like the inter-galaxy ring bridge in SG:A. Or, the ship was in a battle, which was suggested in the show at one point. And what about the CO2 scrubbers? Why would the ship have had any atmosphere at all in transit? It would make much more sense to fill the ship with atmosphere just before the ancients jumped to it, not to have been maintaining atmosphere for 1000s of years for no reason. I mean, they didn't have the lights on that whole time, we saw the ship turning them on because of the incoming worm hole, wouldn't the air work the same way?

  105. Re:Depends on your definition of "real" and "good" by gilbert644 · · Score: 1

    With all the talk of bittorrent and avoiding ads from it's core audience group it seems that their isn't any profit in sci-fi anymore.

  106. Re:Only 42"??? by tacarat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Real home theaters involve a large stage and having the program's actors re-enact the show you're trying to watch. Sometimes they only require a fee to do it, sometimes you have to kidnap them. I have a list of impersonators in case something I'm watching involves somebody who's passed on.

    Ever since I upgraded to this system, even my porn collection is considered high art.

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  107. It's a SERIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, why don't the human engineers/scientists realize this and ask what else has been respiring on the ship?

    Sounds like an episode 7 or so.

  108. Re:Depends on your definition of "real" and "good" by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

    Lost was merely philosophical douchebaggery. Heroes is crap because none of the good guys has ever come up with the solution of blow the bad guy's head off from 100 yards away. Dollhouse could actually be quite good, except Dushku, while a good actor for certain roles, isn't all that great at the ever-changing personality of her character.

  109. Re:Typical intro to a spinoff *spoilers* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Why would the ship have had any atmosphere at all in transit?"

    Who's to say it didn't? It could have been a vacuum until it's gate got dialed and then filled up the cabin really quickly. The CO2 scrubbers could have just failed right when life support came back on. The crew could have just been wrong about it operating all this time. It's not like they know enough about the tech to make it themselves.
    That, or maybe the ancients just had the ability to make stuff that lasted really long and didn't worry to much about it. The ship is already operating a thousand years longer than was originally intended, after all.

  110. 10 reasons why Stargate Universe sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Wrong name - should have called it "Lost Battlegate Atlantica's Anatomy Voyager".

    2. Confusing - Scrambled the sequence with unnecessary flashbacks and cause confusion, this only works if there is a big mystery, not the 15 minutes tiny mystery in SGU (Trying to copy Lost)

    3. Lacks originality - Tried too hard to please everyone and ended up being a pile of nothing. As if the writers are beginners writing their first show, copying a little bit from every popular shows out there and calls it a day.

    4. Trying too hard - Unnecessary sex scene which had nothing to do with anything else and screams "me-too", to think we'll buy this crap just because you put it there is quiet insulting (Trying to copy Galatica)

    5. Annoying - Way too much arguments, yes tension is needed between characters, but some idi0t decided it'd interesting for us to see people argue every step of the way (over common sense) from beginning to the end. Dude, just STFU and move on already.

    6. Boring - Characters don't stick, because they're all average losers and a loud mouth, everyone hates loud mouths.

    7. Shaky cameras - Dude, stay the **** still.

    8. Careless - With plot holes the size of Texas.

    9. Too greedy - Crossed the fine line between bravery and stupidity, introducing new stuff to reach wider audience is understandable, ditching everything that was good and piss off loyal fans to the brand itself is just plain stupid.

    10. Bad acting - Soulless characters, cardboard acting, but what can you expect from a pilot with a lame script.

    Obviously the guys running this project has the same mentality as the guys who renamed SciFi to Syfy (Syphilis) just to get paid.

    Syfy, have fun shooting yourself in the foot.

  111. Re:Cynical attempt to milk BSG and Stargate franch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, that is what it looked like to me. A tired attempt to graft the emoting and darkness of BSG onto the Stargate universe that totally failed. Seems the writers are having a hard time coming up with ideas. I confess that I watched part of it and was bored after about 5 minutes (of show, not commercials -- of which there were many). I am expecting this one to fade as fast as that other new turkey -- Defying Gravity. Instead, I am going to watch my collection of Babylon 5 DVDs.

  112. Space 1999 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seemed more like an adaption of Space 1999 to me. The radioactive power of the planet throws them into a situation where they are traveling to star systems without much control or permanence. Let's hope it doesn't suck as bad.

  113. Film has low movement. by tepples · · Score: 1

    for scenes with low movement, a 1080i stream will approach a 1080p in actual resolution, while for a stream with high movement inside of it, it will tend towards 540 lines of actual resolution.

    Under this definition, anything shot on film has "low movement" because film runs at 24 fps, which less than half the 60 Hz field rate.

  114. Re:Depends on your definition of "real" and "good" by witherstaff · · Score: 1

    I saw the dollhouse DVD only episode and that was actually very good. It made the whole first season worth it. But I doubt it'll get past the bad filler episodes quick enough to allow the show to last.

    You're right about Eureka - it's one of the few original shows made by Sci Fi that has lasted well. Fun hero saves the day type of geeky fun.

  115. New Name by rogerdr · · Score: 1

    Battlestargate Galactiverse. `Nuff said.

  116. Horrible Camera Effects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In all honesty aside from the Senator being selfless and a few random scenes that were not quite nessiary it was not bad.

    What really got to me was the shaky camera effects and horrible placement of the camera. Behind a wall, a box, a person, etc.

    Where did the quality go from filming? Not everything has to be a documentary when its fiction in the first place... Good well designed shots go a long way.

  117. The last Starfighter by celtic_hackr · · Score: 1

    Ah, yes it's so good to see an original Sci-Fi idea. Not. Corny as they were I enjoyed Star Trek. Why, because it was upbeat, funny and new (well in respect to TV). Now Sci FI TV and movies is mostly Crush, Kill, Destroy. Death, Kill, Death Death, Kill Kill Death. At least this one added sex. What I wouldn't give for a Sci Fi show that wasn't all about Death, War, Killing and Hate. God, if I want that all I need to do is turn on the freaking news. At least there's a lot more originality with real killers. Which is kind of sad, considering these artists are supposed to be like creative geniuses. I guess schizophrenia beats genius everytime.

  118. SG:U = Sliders for a new generation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trapped impossibly far from home. A bloody ticking clock and a new world that you can explore up until the timer expires. They even called it a wormhole back then too. Haha.

    Now I love SG1 and SGA, and I hope this show turns out to have some interesting stories, just it doesn't seem to have any original bones in its body to start. Not an auspicious beginning.

  119. 9th Chevron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Im going to guess that the 8th Chevron is the "Galaxy" code. That is why it worked on that planet, but still needed Earth's point of origin. Maybe each galaxy has a home planet that servers as that galaxies symbol.

    1. Re:9th Chevron by BearRanger · · Score: 1

      Yes, the 8th chevron is the "galaxy" code. Go all the way back to the SG-1 episode "The Fifth Race" to see how that came about. However the Earth point of origin chevron seems to be inconsistent with the established mythology. Then again I haven't seen SGU yet (downloading the free ones from iTunes now) so perhaps this is explained.

  120. The show felt 'cheap' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just can't get by the feeling the show was cheap. It looked like it was more CG than built sets, which results in a cheap cartoonish look that I just can't stomach. SG1 was getting cheap looking in it's last season, as if they had a $25,000 budget for each episode. They probably make $100,000 a week selling the DVDs if not more.

    Sorry to say but ABC's FlashForward looks like they spend a million dollars more per episode than this Stargate disaster.

  121. Its stargate -- thats enough by martijnd · · Score: 1

    Seriously, I am not looking for high brow entertainment. Budget special effects, plot holes are all part of it. -- (of course he needed to close the door manually and die -- same as with my iPhone, touch screen them pencils don't work either)

    Stargate is on TV, and that is enough to satisfy my craving for galactic exploration.

  122. Lamenesses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Why embed a MATHEMATICAL puzzle into a game when the sgc has access to not only the computer on board atlantis but also the Asgard computer core? Surely the combined computing power of some Cray IIs and all those should be able to solve pretty much any straight maths problem.
    2) When leaving the ship by gate to visit a planet, how do they get back to it if there was only one known gate capable of the 9 chevron address. If it has a 7 chevron address while in a galaxy then how do they know what the address is?
    3) What are they going to do about the now dead Shooter MacGavin inside one of the shuttles that is still attached to the ship
    4) Why can't the ancient ship be reached from Atlantis? Surely now they have 3 fully charged ZPMs on board they should be able to generate enough power needed for the wormhole, the Ancients wouldn't have made it inaccessible from their own outpost especially since they would have still been living there when the ship was launched.

    All this aside, I thought it was pretty good! Looking forward to seeing the story develop beyond the obligatory "introduce the characters and situation" show.

  123. Re:Time scales don't jive with the rest of the SGv by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

    The ship has been traveling for 100,000 years, so you have to use Ancient technology from Atlantis minus 90,000 years. So, that's the equivalent of pushing the human race from space-flight back to before the Clovis Point culture.

    So it's Ancient tech, but to compensate it's also ancient...this series is gonna be confusing :/

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  124. yes and no by catbertscousin · · Score: 1

    That's true, but the other side of the coin is, when the original image is shaky/blurry, you can use lower resolution CG on it and most people will never know the difference. Shaking makes good CG harder and cheap CG easier. Unless your CG really stands out from the original image, the eye interprets the deficiencies of detail and proper tracking in the CG as results of the camera's movement. Sounds backwards, but the brain doesn't always interpret visual data like we think it should.

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  125. Re:is the world ready for another Star Trek series by Kredal · · Score: 1

    Yup, I don't remember a single long episode arc in Enterprise...

    Oh wait, the entire bloody third season!!

    (which all sucked, btw) The 4th season two-parters were much better.

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  126. Gritty. I want gritty. by smchris · · Score: 1

    None of the characters especially captivates me. Torture a few. Kill off a few. It's all the same to me like playing with plastic soldiers. On the bright side, it's an opportunity to do Stargate as Battlestar Galactica.

    Seriously, it's been so long ago, I can't begin to recall my first impressions of the original cast, but I see some problems with Universe if the 2-hour premiere didn't make me care about what happens to the characters. Similar to, but considerably worse than, Enterprise.

       

  127. Sliders + Voyager + Atlantis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This show is basically TV's Sliders (Before the prof character was killed) where you have X hours here and then you have to leave or get stuck there ... in combination with a mix of Voyager (far from home in a spaceship) and SG Atlantis (stuck in a ancient structure falling apart).

    I hope they take the "repairs" much slower in this series then they did in Atlantis. Seems like in Atlantis it went from "this machine doesn't work!" to ... "We just don't have enough power to run it right now." The entire series went from finding information/material to fix things to searching for ZPM's.

    I also pray they don't turn into lost with these darn flashbacks.

  128. dAtlantis + Voyager + Lost by Mybrid · · Score: 1

    I watched the premerie and the flashbacks with a "airplane full" of people game me the Lost feeling. Each week they can draw in a new character that has yet to be introduced.

  129. Re:Gritty. I want gritty. by Mybrid · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately is appears to be something fluffy on the order of Sanctuary. Only instead of the mutants being caged by humans, the humans are caged by the aliens. Ugh. They should let Sanctuary be the "feel good" show and turn this show into death, mayhem and destruction. I'm with you on that.

  130. Derivative! by spidey3 · · Score: 1

    Let's see from how many other movies or shows they have stolen ideas:

    1) The Last Starfighter [video game prowess leads to gig as savior of the universe].
    2) Voyager [stuck in the middle of nowhere, limited supplies, trying to get home].
    3) Wagon Train [stuck in the middle of nowhere, limited supplies, trying to get home].
    4) Sliders [time limit on stay in any one location] [stuck in the middle of nowhere, limited supplies, trying to get home].
    5) Battlestar Galactica [Rush ~= Baltar] [stuck in the middle of nowhere, limited supplies, trying to get home].
    6) Lost In Space [scientist with sometimes questionable ethics at odds with military command].
    7) Red Dwarf [stuck in the middle of nowhere, limited supplies, trying to get home].

  131. Lets see what the future brings. by TheMaTrIxBEL · · Score: 1

    I have to say that I didn't like the concept and was (still am a bit) of the opinion that the series is doomed if they don't bring someone or multiple people from SG-1 or Atlantis into the mix to get the series started (kinda like with Atlantis, where we all knew Dr King already). I do think several caracters are seriously miscast. The leading scientist genious caracter is just wrong, not only have I never liked that actor, but his acting style, accent and looks are more suitable for a crazy MD, history professor or classic english professor. Not the science type. For the "geek" they just choose a goofy looking fat bloke, rather then a geek/nerd. I personally don't know a single geek or nerd that looks even remotely like that guy, most of them are actually skinny or well built. None of them are fat retards. The main soldier is cast ok, the military head isn't. I do however like that they put the military commanders wife in the mix, so we'll see a softer kind of military man. I think we should see where the series takes us and if it picks up as well as Atlantis did after a few episodes, I'm sure we'll be seeing at least 5 seasons of this. With an entire universe opening up, there's plenty of stories to tell. I also hope that they brainstorm seriously about all the kinds of biological and non-biological life forms the universe could theoretically produce, so that we can be wowed about the wonders of the universe, instead of being stuck with more Grey Aliens, Insectoids, snakelike parasites and killer androids. Oh, yeah, lets not forget energy beings .... I do have 1 question about the concept of the series. Is the stargate on the Universe ship bi-directional? The gate dials automatically and disengages at a certain time. How are the ones that go trough supposed to come back? And if the gate disengages, how are the ones that went trough supposed to know what adres to dial to get connected to the ship?

  132. Re:Only 42"??? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    MythTV is great for the WAF.

    Loads of capacity and easy expandability.
    Automatic tagging and skipping of commercials.
    The ability to have her favorite show all online.
    A client-server architecture that allows you to play anything anywhere and pick up where you left off.

    Good WAF with the MythTV led to me getting carte blanche on computing purchases. ...bought 3 minis without any need to ask permission or forgiveness.

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