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World Trade Towers and Pentagon Attacked
The World Trade Towers in new york were crashed into by 2 planes, one on each tower, 18 minutes apart. Nobody really knows who did it, but the planes were big ones. Normally I wouldn't consider posting this on Slashdot, but I'm making an exception this time because I can't get news through any of the conventional websites, and I assume I'm not alone. Update We're having server problems. Sorry. Updated info, both towers havecollapsed, pentagon hit by 3rd plane. Part of it has collapsed.
Yahoo has an article but right now it's only about 1 sentence long and just says that a plane hit the world trade center. I'm sure they'll post some good links though. I can't get to any of the other sites, all too busy.
~ now you know
apologies to cnn for ripping this off their site:
NEW YORK (CNN) -- What appeared to be two passenger planes crashed into the World Trade Center towers in Manhattan on Tuesday, leaving both towers in flames.
About 18 minutes after the first plane hit the northern tower, a second plane slammed into the southern tower, erupting into a huge fireball. The harrowing images were caught in live video.
Live pictures showed a gaping hole on the side of the northern building, several stories down from the top. Black smoke was billowing from at least two sides.
The second crash hit the second tower several stories lower than the first in a huge burst of flame.
Sean Murtagh, a CNN vice president, was in an office near the World Trade Center towers at the time of the first crash. He witnessed the crash.
"It was a jet, looked like a two-engine jet," Murtagh said. "It looked like maybe a 737."
Murtagh said he saw the plane "teetering back and forth, wingtip to wingtip" before the plane smashed into the side of the building.
Jeanne Yurman witnessed the explosion that followed the crash.
"At first it was like leaflets," she said, describing the debris that fell to the ground. "There was tons of debris and it continues to fall out."
Yurman said she did not see the plane.
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I can't get to www.abcnews.com, either
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I think that goes for OS's too
MSNBC has been saying that the FBI thinks one or both of the planes were hijacked.
Ok this is what I know:
8:55 one Plane or missile hits tower
9:05 secone 727 Passanger plane hits tower
Eye witnessess are pretty sure the first one was a plane, but some believe they saw a missile.
2nd crash caught on tape because news crews came to cover 1st crash.
Not sure if it is navigational error or deliberate attacks.
All I know, and could be erronous - everything is the first hour into an event like this
the washington post has a photo
http://www.sky.com/skynews/storytemplate/storytopp ic/0,,30000-1029102,00.html
This is the stopry on sky news
An unconfirmed report from a anonymous American Airlines employee said a AA plane was involved, possibly hijacked. Why do terrorists seem to go after the World Trade Center, anyways?
-Henry
"Useless organic meatbag" -HK-47
Well, take it for what it is worth, but the Today Show is claiming that both planes were hijacked. Like Taco said, the only size of the planes being reported is 'big'. But if they really were hijacked, that usually implies they were pretty good sized planes.
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It was 2 737-800's, possibly Delta Express. No word on hijacking, etc.
lots of people lost their lives today... this is one of the most unfortunate things to happen in a long time
This is the story at BBC.
I hope you all enjoy. The BBC ususaly is better at reporting anyway.
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It looks like a kamikaze terrorist attack to me. I was watching it on TV, and two planes hit, one on each tower, about 18 minutes apart, in crystal clear visbility. This was not an accident.
I was going over the Williamsburg bridge this morning...at that time, I saw that the first tower was on fire. I saw the clock at the Essex/Delancey station, it was about 3 of 9.
When I got to work in DUMBO, I saw that the other tower was on fire.
This is insanity.
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Damn... now Stephen King is going to have to deal with ANOTHER round of people blaming popular culture for inspiration to perform violent acts.
IF he did, he can rest assured that Afghanistan is going to become real hot, real quick. I would not want to be Osama if he is indeed responsible.
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As below, so above and beyond, I imagine drawn beyond the lines of reason. Push the envelope. Watch it bend.
They've got some footage at the BBC... Its the only thing I can access so far
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Yeah it was probably some Middle-Eastern terrorist like the guy that blew up the Federal building in Oklaho... errr, never mind.
Sky news has an article with pictures:
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http://www.sky.com/skynews/storytemplate/storytop
..until I post this that is!
Nick...
Realize that not everyone has access to a TV right now, and EVERY MAJOR NEWS WEBSITE IS UNREACHABLE for this story at the moment. OK - it's not NERDY NEWS, but news for nerds all the same. SOME people have SOME interest in things that happen outside their cubicle.
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Since so many appear to be slashdotted This is London also has it.
Avoiding the filter, etc, etc
Igor Presnyakov stole my hat
It could just be the sheer amount of people clicking in in shock - but there have been news stories in the past without the news sites going down.
Is there cyber attack being run together with the terrorist one?
Most of the NYC TV stations are off the air except for Channel 7 - ABC. We also have a report that some of the radio stations are off the air.
We're getting unconfirmed reports of one or both planes having been hijacked. And the timing was almost exactly 18 minutes apart on a clear, sunny day with no visibility issues. This was not an accident.
I can see the whole thing from my building window - one of the execs actually is temporarily relocating to deal with the influx of people through his office.
Brazil has decided you're cute.
Pray for those who have died and those that are trapped.
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I was watching CNN as I got ready for work when the the planes piled in - saw the second one happen live. I'm sure the news folks will have some better info out there shortly, but it looked like a 737 to me. Grey paint, so maybee Continental. It hit fast and they were too busy to show a re-run of the impact.
Man, I was just in that plaza last week. Tons of people on the street in that area. My heart goes out to those people.
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i used to work at a company in the world trade center, in the tower that was bombed in 1993. everybody used to remember the bombing in the back of their minds, but security was pretty tight everyday. however, there were hundreds of thousands of people who commute to the financial district everyday and the place is ripe for terrorism.
that said, i hope everyone is ok. the two towers make a great target for anyone. i didn't work that high up, but i can't imagine walking the stairs. they're plain concrete stairs without windows or anything. in a time of panic like this, it would be easy to get hurt simply trying to evacuate.
i really hope everyone is ok.
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OK, Generalissimo George. Explain to us how your space-based missile defense, AKA "Son of Star Wars", will protect us from THIS kind of thing.
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The second plane was shown crashing in. From the outline of the plane in the video, it was a Boeing 737 or 727. Midsized twin-engine jet, full of fuel.
Reports are confirmed of one hijacking; they are also sure that they were both planes.
I'm thanking God that my father didn't have any business in NY today. I'm also praying that none of my family were around there.
Planes Crash Into World Trade Center
NEW YORK - An aircraft crashed into the upper floors of one of the World Trade Center towers Tuesday morning, and black smoke poured out of two gaping holes, witnesses said. Shortly afterward a second explosion rocked the other tower.
There was no immediate word on injuries or fatalities in the disaster, which happened shortly before 9 a.m.
The plane was coming in low and ... it looked like it hit at a slight angle," said Sean Murtagh, a CNN vice president, the network reported.
Large holes were visible in two sides of the 110-story building, one of landmark twin towers.
There was no immediate word on injuries or fatalities in the twin disasters, which happened shortly before 9 a.m. and then right around 9 a.m.
The towers were struck by bombers in February 1993.
"The plane was coming in low and ... it looked like it hit at a slight angle," said Sean Murtagh, a CNN vice president, the network reported.
Large holes were visible in sides of the 110-story buildings, landmark twin towers.
The tops of the twin towers were obscured by the smoke.
Thousands of pieces of what appeared to be office paper came drifting over Brooklyn, about three miles from the tower, one witness said.
The center bombingon Feb. 26, 1993, killing six people and injured more than 1,000 others.
In 1945, an Army Air Corps B-25, a twin-engine bomber, crashed into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building in dense fog.
I really don't see how this could be an accident. The rule is that any airplane accident is a combination of at least three different errors/factors.
However. Any urban area, especially one with such a dense traffic, is at all times under radar surveillance and Air Traffic Control. Unless a number of people simultaneously had their braincells commit mass suicide, this could (or should) not have happened.
I fear that this is the result of terrorism. And if the news say different, I'll be very skeptical. After all, if it were terrorism, what does this show to the US public? That they're vulnerable at any time. Not exactly a sentiment the Powers That Be would like to instill to their voters...
And one last thing. Whatever this turns out to be, and as much as people all over the world are glued to their PCs or TV sets for news, there's one thing to remember here. It's not 'exciting', it's not 'fun'. It's tragic. These were real, live people...and the news channels are having a field day.
So long, and thanks for all the fish
Here are some more pictures, obtained from Sky News - scary stuff...
http://www.gimbo.org.uk/
There are also unconfirmed reports of an aircraft being hi-jacked shortly before the incidents.
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was an American Airlines 767 from Boston.
My guess (at 9:33am EDT) is that both planes were hijacked.
Reality has a liberal bias
what's next? sears tower? space needle?
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The site is loading relatively fast. www.boston.com has a picture and a one page story.
the FBI is reporting at least one of the two planes was hijacked -- an american airlines flight from boston to los angeles. nobody knows yet where the plane was in its travels when it was hijacked.
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I work at the far end of Wall St and there are ashes and papers falling everywhere.
I'm sure that there were many deaths. People are falling from the windows.
Those people that actually can extract the text, please copy and paste the info, DON'T LINK!!
(sorry for yelling)
Stop the brainwash
Has anyone heard the air traffic logs from around the time of the crash?
They are available live on
http://www.atlascomm.net/faaflyer/live.html
Maybe they have recorded logs.
James
As an interesting aside, days like this are something that our NSA and CIA are here to prevent. They monitor communications traffic (SIGINT) and attempt to forcast terrorist like events. My question is:
How many slashdotters will rethink their views on the necessity of CIA and NSA covert SIGINT after today's tragedy?
-jerdenn
Check USA Today's site. It still seems to be up.
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President Bush just spoke for two minutes. He confirmed that it was, indeed, a terrorist attack.
ABC News just said that there's been "an explosion of some kind" at the Capitol Building. No more information available now.
I don't often suggest them, but Florida Today has coverage.
http://www.floridatoday.com/
Apparently the Pentagon's been hit as well.
All of the US Government buildings have been evacuated.
One of the World Trade Center towers just collapsed on live TV. Calls for help just went out on the police bands.
All hell just bust loose.
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It's not just the World trade center that has been attacked. The Pentagon Had a huge explosion, and the Washington Mall is on Fire. All air traffic in the US has been shut down, and other major towers are being evacuated.
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And one of t he towers of the world trade center has just collapsed.
Marketwatches web site is up and is feeding in new stories very well:
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/defa
This kind of thing is, unfortunately, nigh on impossible to stop; given that the US has now barred all internal flights shows how seriously they take this.
ABC News reported (complete with smoke-obscured footage from a distance) about 20 minutes ago that there had been an explosion in the ___ Wing (I must admit that I don't remember which) of the White House. There hasn't been a whisper about t his since their 5-minute-long coverage (quite lengthy, IMHO.)
Anybody in DC that can confirm this?
If so, GET THE FUCK OUT OF DC!
According to CNN, The Pentagon and the Washington Mall were also hit!
This is definitely a carefully planned deliberate attack by some large terrorist organization!
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Although I'm *quite* wary of posting this here... I've mirrored a few of the news stories at http://www.helmetboy.com
What a nonsense. Seeing that America was attacked 3 times using (hijacked) planes, you don't wanna suggest a missile defense shield to shoot all planes down?
I intend to live forever, so far so good.
This is a terrible tragedy.
My sympathies go out to those innocent civilians who have lost their lives today.
I expect that there will be significant shifts in U.S. domestic and foreign policy to bring increased security at home and to bring to justice those responsible for the killing of these many people.
A somber occasion.
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I just watched World Trade center tower ?2? collapse. The top half of the building fell off into the street. Now there are unconfirmed reports of an explosion at the White House. The Pentagon, WTC -- what is next??????????????? This is a horrifying series of events. I just hope they were able to evacuate the top of tower 2 before it collapsed.
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N.Y., D.C. attacked
... it looked like it hit at a slight angle," said
Associated Press
NEW YORK (AP) - Two planes crashed into the upper floors of both World
Trade Center towers minutes apart Tuesday in what the President Bush said
was an apparent terrorist attack, blasting fiery, gaping holes in the 110-story
buildings. There was no immediate word on deaths or injuries.
Within the hour, an aircraft crashed on a helicopter landing pad near the
Pentagon, and the West Wing of the White House was evacuated amid threats
of terrorism.
The president ordered a full-scale investigation to "hunt down the folks who
committed this act."
One of the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center had been hijacked
after takeoff from Boston, a U.S. official said, citing a transmission from the
plane.
All planes were grounded across the country by the Federal Aviation
Administration. All bridges and tunnels into Manhattan were closed down.
The twin disaster at the World Trade Center happened shortly before 9 a.m.
and then right around 9 a.m.
Heavy black smoke billowed into the sky above the gaping holes in the side of
the 110-story twin towers, one of New York City's most famous landmarks, and
debris rained down upon the street, one of the city's busiest work areas. When
the second plane hit, a fireball of flame and smoke erupted, leaving a huge
hole in the glass and steel tower.
People ran down the stairs in panic and fled the building. Thousands of pieces
of what appeared to be office paper came drifting over Brooklyn, about three
miles away.
"Today we've had a national tragedy," Bush said in Sarasota, Fla. "Two
airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center in an apparent terrorist
attack on our country." He said he would be returning immediately to
Washington.
Ira Furber, former National Transportation Safety Board spokesman,
discounted the likelihood of accident.
"I don't think this is an accident," he said on CNN. "You've got incredibly good
visibility. No pilot is going to be relying on navigational equipment."
"It's just not possible in the daytime," he added. "A second occurrence is just
beyond belief."
Terrorist bombers struck the World Trade Center in February 1993, killing six
people and injuring more than 1,000 others.
Several subway lines were immediately shut down Tuesday. Trading on Wall
Street was suspended.
"The plane was coming in low and
Sean Murtagh, a CNN vice president, the network reported.
"I was watching TV and heard a sonic boom," Jeanne Yurman told CNN. "The
side of the World Trade Center exploded. Debris is falling like leaflets. I hear
ambulances. The northern tower seems to be on fire."
A senior government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the
agency is pursuing reports that one or both of the planes were hijacked and
that the crashes may have been the result of a suicide mission.
"It certainly doesn't look like an accident," said a second government official,
also speaking on condition of anonymity.
In 1945, an Army Air Corps B-25, a twin-engine bomber, crashed into the 79th
floor of the Empire State Building in dense fog.
In Florida, Bush was reading to children in a classroom at 9:05 a.m. when his
chief of staff, Andrew Card, whispered into his ear. The president briefly turned
somber before he resumed reading. He addressed the tragedy about a
half-hour later.
History has shown that the best way to unite the American People is to give them a common enemy. Whoever is responsible fucked up, and fucked up badly. If they're trying to scare me, they did a piss-poor job of it. My resolve is firm. If called upon by my country, I will do everything within my power to make sure this does not go unpunished.
You can run. You can hide. For a while, you may even succeed. But the United States of America will not forget. And we'll be waiting. Say hello to my little friends.
--Fesh
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This tragedy (and, unfortunately, Major News Event) really illustrates how not-getting-it ALL of the websites of major national news providers are. Instead of concise, light website design with a few carefully encoded JPG files, we get bandwidth-heavy Shlockwave and ActiveX "multimedia experiences" that, in the even of an actual story, quickly brings the likes of MSNBC down to its knees. In the meantime, we're left with AP wire stories and phonecalls from my mother.
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Congress typically feels the need to respond after some high profile incident like this. There is no way at this time to know what accually happened, or how to prevent this. (Much less how to prevent this without trampeling your rights). Still congress wants to do something, so they appear to have the ebst attentions. Odds are this will be used to trample on your rights.
They hit tower one of the WTC and *now toppled both over*. And got the pentagon too..
.. but we should
Now, a couple things.. this is bad, this is really bad..
Apparently it was Palestinian terrorists that
did it (so TV is reporting)..
If it really was Palestinians, as much as I hate to say this.. I sort of understand..
before I start, I am a normal American white guy, am open minded, and think every race in the world has a right to their own safety and piece (including Americans).. I have absolutely nothing to do with the Arab israeli conflict (I am not arab, or Jewish, or anything like that), nor do I know any of either side closely at all..
But I was in Isreal once on business, and I saw what the Israelies do to the Palestinians, and what I saw made me sick to be an American because of how our government supports what the Israelis do to those people..
Basically, the isrealis take palestinian land bit by bit to make settlements for Israelis only, and shoot/run over/kill Palestinians with the guns, helicopters and bullets that we, America give the Israelis.
We dont report these travesties on American news (though you can get it on the BBC, CBC and other foreign outlets, and watch Israelis shoot with machine guns, 12 year old arab kids throwing rocks).
It is worse than south Africa, and I go as far to say, that the Israelis have put the Palestinians in concentration camp like conditions for the last 20 years or so, bulldozing their houses for their land, shooting their kids, controlling their land, their economy and choking them off one by one..
And when other countries like the Africans try to tell the truth (yes, the Israelis are racists..absolutely, they have dual licence plates for Palestine cars, dont let them drive on the same roads as Israelis, and occupy their country).
And we, the United states government, give more money, bombs, guns and weapons to Israel than to any other country in the world in foreign aid.., knowing (and allowing0 the Israelis to shoot, maim and rob more palestians of there property, lives and freedom.
And we have been doing that for 20 years now at least..
What else should we have expected really?
This terrorism really sucks,
also look at what we have been doing too the last 20 years.. and why a people felt so driven to do this to us..
--one of the planes was an Am. Airlines 767 hijacked from Boston, and apparently this was the first one hit
--explosion & fire at the Pentagon
--fire at the State Dept in Washington
--pretty much all gov't buildings in DC evacuated, incl. the White House
--air travel suspended across US; no planes taking off or landing; airports closed
--*apparently* a Palestinian terrorist group claimed responsibility; this according to a TV station in Abu Dhabi (sp, I'm sure)
Carousel is a lie!
both buildings have now collapsed, and two planes have hit the pentagon. they believe that another plane has been hijacked and is headed toward Washington, DC
a large plane has also crashed north of a city in Pittsburg (no word if it is related.)
All flights are grounded, PERIOD across the entire US.
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Sept. 11 -- In a horrific sequence of destruction, two hijacked planes crashed into both towers of the World Trade center in New York City within minutes of each other today, causing both to collapse within an hour of the attack. A witness also reported seeing a plane crash into the Pentagon. Terrorism is suspected.
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President Bush called the events a "national tragedy" as an emergency government crisis team rallied in Washington D.C.
Shortly after the planes crashed into the World Trade Center towers, the southern tower, 2 World Trade Center collapsed in what witnesses described as a demolition crew operation. At 10:30 a.m. ET, the northernmost tower, One World Trade Center, also collapsed.
There were no immediate details available on casualties, but thousands of people work in the buildings affected.
The West Wing of the White House and the Capitol have both been evacuated, and the Federal Aviation Administration issued an order that no plane was allowed to take off anywhere in the country. All military bases were put on Threatcon Alpha, the highest level of alert, after the attacks, which came without any warning.
At least one military fighter jet patrolled the skies above Manhattan this morning in the wake of the tragedy.
"Today we've had a national tragedy. Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center in an apparent terrorist attack on this country," President Bush said.
Police in Washington blocked off a two-block perimeter around the White House.
Agents with automatic weapons, machine guns were trying to move tourists out of the area, locking down entire buildings around the White House.
Cell phones may have been deliberately turned off because of fear that cell phones could be used to detonate a bomb.
There were no immediate reports of how many were injured or the extent of damages at the twin towers, or at the Pentagon.
A government source requesting anonymity told ABCNEWS that the FBI was investigating reports of three plane hijackings. One of the flights was American Airlines flight 11, which departed from Boston's Logan International Airport at 8 a.m. bound or Los Angeles.
?It?s simply a jetliner, it?s extremely reliable flown by two [people], could have been three in the cockpit," ABC aviation expert John Nance said of the Boeing 767, the plane hijacked from Boston. "The door is flimsy anyone who wants to get through that door can get through that door.?
Nationwide Alert
All New York City area airports were closed down shortly after the second WTC crash, and armed military aircraft imposed a no-fly zone around the city to prevent further attacks.
In Chicago, the Sears Tower was evacuated and the police department went on heightened alert.
"Usually the building is so full of activity, and now there's no one in the hallways. It's creepy," Cathy Grable, a 31-year-old interior designer, told the Associated Press.
Witnesses speaking in the moments after the first crash told WABC that the first plane seemed to try to avoid the northern tower, One World Trade Center, but could not, plowing into the top floors of the north side of the northernmost tower at about 8:48 a.m. ET.
As television camera crews filmed the billowing black smoke, a second plane, which appeared to be a Boeing 737, flew toward the towers from the west and crashed into the southern tower, 2 World Trade Center, about 20 to 25 floors from the top.
The witnesses described the first plane as a small twin-engine passenger jet. The witnesses said it appeared that most of the jet stuck inside the building.
"Papers were billowing down and it looked like the wing crashed down to the street causing a panic on the highway and cars hit each other. People were in a panic. Things look in better control now," a witness from the Dow Jones offices in the neighboring World Financial Center said.
There was no immediate word on injuries or fatalities in the twin disasters, which happened shortly before 9 a.m. and then right around 9 a.m.
Police, fire and emergency personnel were already on the scene attempting to deal with the first disaster when the second plane struck.
Jennifer Tammi, 33, a doctoral student taking an elevated subway train from her home in Brooklyn to Columbia University in upper Manhattan, was watching the smoke from the first explosion when she saw the second plane hit the other tower.
"I was looking at the smoke and saw a plane heading low over lower Manhattan," she said. "It banked and headed straight for the middle of the other tower. It looked like it flew right through the building."
Large holes were visible in sides of the 110-story buildings, landmark twin towers, which were struck by terrorist bombers in February 1993.
The tops of the twin towers were obscured by the smoke.
Thousands of pieces of what appeared to be office paper came drifting over Brooklyn, about three miles from the tower, one witness said.
Commodity trading in the New York Board of Trade (NYBOT) shut down after the crashes.
"They've evacuated the building," Mike McDougall, vice president of the Latin American desk at FIMAT USA Inc., told Reuters.
Brokers said business in NYBOT, which is located in the WTC complex and trades raw sugar, coffee, cocoa, cotton and orange juice, has been suspended.
The World Trade Center bombing on Feb. 26, 1993, left six people dead and injured more than 1,000 others.
In 1945, an Army Air Corps B-25, a twin-engine bomber, crashed into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building in dense fog.
blah, blah, blah
Did anyone try looking at flight tracker?
h t_ tracker_home.xsl
http://www.trip.com/
http://www.trip.com/trs/trip/flighttracker/flig
with the flight number(s)???
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The sky will burn at forty-five degrees latitude,
Fire approaches the great new city [New York]
Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up
When they want to have verification from the Normans [French].
The Kamikaze strategy doesn't work. It takes the most fervent, dedicated supporters of the cause and kills them. These are the people who might have done something for their movement.
Seeing the smoke come out of the WTC reminds me of a smoking WW2 aircraft carrier... what was it, the Intrepid? Enterprise? Maybe both of them. They were hit by Kamikazes. It didn't stop us. It didn't win the war for Japan. It won't win the war for these guys. Stand fast America. This could be the last desperate act of a desperate band of dispicable international criminals. They know nothing. They create nothing. They contribute nothing, and now they are nothing.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
There have now been reports of a car bomb being exploded outside of the state building in Washington D.C. Also, another large aircraft, of unknown origin, crashing somewhere in summerset, PA.
they usually have up to date wire reports like
the AP. and they are not being slammed
I was going to post the same thing. This shows how incredibly foolish and shortsighted that it is of us to believe that this missle defense shield will do us any good. It has often been mentioned that anybody can get a suitcase-sized nuclear bomb into the country, but this shows that it doesn't even take that to entirely shut down the country.
Here we all are -- on Slashdot. I'm at home, and I bet that I won't go to work until late this afternoon. Most of the country is in similar shape. No missle defense shield could help this. In fact, I'm not sure that *anything* could help this. If half a dozen guys decide to hijack airplanes and crash them into major buildings, no defense shield or anything else will help.
Other English-language news sites still responding quickly:
-- The [Toronto] Globe and Mail
-- The Sydney Morning Herald
-- The [Hong Kong] South China Morning Post
--Fesh
Kill -9 'em all, let root@localhost sort 'em out.
NPR is reporting another hijacked plane is still in the air; flying along the east coast; being shaddowed by a F-16.
-*- Any technology indistinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced -*-
Constitution. Whenever a tragedy likes this occurs, the government always announces a get tough on terrorists policy that will have no effect on the psychopaths who do this, but will severely limit our rights.
The huge loss of life is bad enough. The subsequent loss of what truly represents what this country stands for will be intolerable.
-- Will program for bandwidth
From KFWB News (AM, Los Angeles)
... it looked like it hit at a slight angle," said Sean Murtagh, a CNN vice president, the network reported.
http://kfwb.com/news/nat/n091101.html
Car bomb explodes near State Department building
Unconfirmed report: part of Pentagon building collapses after explosion
Large plane crashes in western Pennsylvania, unconfirmed report
Unconfirmed reports: Another hijacked plane in the air in the East Coast
New York: both World Trade Center towers collapsed after attacks
All emergency operation centers activated in California
All international flights headed to Washington and New York have been diverted to Canada
All federal buildings in Washington D.C. are closed down -- Capitol Hill, Justice Department, State Department, White House, and other buildings
Military planes patrolling airspace above Manhattan -- told to shoot down any planes that don't leave area, unconfirmed report
Nationally, all takeoffs have been suspended
LAPD on tactical alert
Explosion at Old Executive Office Building next to White House
George W. Bush: "An apparent terrorist attack."
One of the planes was American Airlines Flight 11, 767 jetliner headed from Boston to Los Angeles, unconfirmed reports
(KFWB) 9.11.01, 7:44a -- In what the federal government is considering a terrorist attack, a number of apparent terrorist attacks took place in Washington, D.C. and in New York.
Two planes crashed into the upper floors of both World Trade Center towers in New York this morning at 6am Pacific time. Black smoke is pouring out of gaping holes which were blown into the two towers from the impact and subsequent explosions.
One of the two towers at the World Trade Center collapsed about an hour after the attack. There were eyewitness reports of people jumping and falling out of the upper floors of the towers.
Meantime in Washington D.C., the White House and the Pentagon, Capitol Hill, and all other federal buildings have been evacuated and closed down. There are reports that an aircraft crashed on a helicopter landing pad near the Pentagon within an hour after the first attack in New York. There is also a fire at the State Department building.
The Federal Aviation Administration has shut down all aircraft takeoffs nationwide amid reports that at least one plane was hijacked for the attack.
Military planes are patrolling a no-fly zone above Manhattan, where there are orders to divert or shoot down any plane above downtown New York.
President George W. Bush said that the crashes were "an apparent terrorist attack on our country." The president has cleared his day's schedule and is heading back to Washington D.C. to meet with advisors. Bush says there will be a "full scale investigation to hunt down and find those folks who have committed this act."
In New York, two planes crashed about 18 minutes apart -- one crashed around the 80th floor of one tower, the other crashed at around the 60th floor of another tower.
The planes are described as jet airliners.
CNN and the AP are reporting that one of the planes may have been a hijacked American Airlines flight, a Boeing 767 jetliner, from Boston.
A large amount of dark smoke is billowing out of the remaining tower. Debris is falling out of the upper floors of the tower and onto the streets below.
There are major evacuations in the area. KFWB's Erin Kotecki reports that a friend in one of the towers told her by phone that the World Trade Center is being evacuated, and described the scene as "chaos."
"Flood of folks escaping downtown Manhattan," an eyewitness reports. Emergency crews are having trouble reaching the disaster area.
The New York stock exchange was evacuated and trading is not expected to take place. A number of financial businesses are located in the towers.
"The plane was coming in low and
More to come on this breaking story.
Fucking trolls aren't funny today.
SHUT UP
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Link to the video of plane #2 crashing. Pretty scary, just like in the movies except it isn't.
w as hingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/msnbc/ms091101-2v.ht m
http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/15m/www.
No sig for me - too lazy to fill one in...
Can see it billowing smoke from the office
windows. We heard a second large explosion around 10:30. Don't know what it was yet.
One guy here was outside when the plane hit
the Pentagon, he heard the plane's engine, saw
the fireball. We had debris coming down in the
courtyard here from the explosion. Have a couple
people from the company over at the Pentagon, but
everyone's accounted for now.
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
i work in NJ about 4 miles from the world trade center. we just watched the towers collapse from the roof. theres just a bunch of smoke now. a few f-14s just flew by too. ill get back with more info if i get it...
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001314412, 00.html
TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 11 2001 AP
An aircraft about to fly into the World Trade Center in New York
America hit by terrorists
In a horrific sequence of destruction, terrorists crashed two aircraft into the World Trade Center and knocked down the twin 110-story towers this morning. Explosions have also reportedly rocked the US Defense Department and the State Department, spreading fear across the nation.
Another hijacked aircraft is on its way to Washington, DC. A fifth aircraft has also reportedly crashed just south of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
US fighter pilots are patrolling the skies over Washington.
President George W. Bush has ordered a full-scale investigation to "hunt down the folks who committed this act".
One of the planes that crashed into the Trade Center was American Airlines Flight 11, hijacked after take-off from Boston en route to Los Angeles, American Airlines said.
It is believed that another hijacked airplane is still on its way to Washington, DC.
The planes blasted fiery, gaping holes in the upper floors of the twin towers. The southern tower collapsed with a roar about an hour later.
"This is perhaps the most audacious terrorist attack that's ever taken place in the world," said Chris Yates, an aviation expert at Jane's Transport in London. "It takes a logistics operation from the terror group involved that is second to none. Only a very small handful of terror groups is on that list. ... I would name at the top of the list Osama bin Laden."
All airplanes were grounded across the country by the Federal Aviation Administration. All bridges and tunnels into Manhattan were closed down.
The twin disaster at the World Trade Center happened shortly before 9 a.m. (1300 GMT) and then right around 9 a.m.
Heavy black smoke billowed into the sky above the gaping holes in the side of the twin towers, one of New York City's most famous landmarks, and debris rained down upon the street, one of the city's busiest work areas. When the second plane hit, a fireball of flame and smoke erupted, leaving a huge hole in the glass and steel tower.
John Axisa, who was getting off a commuter train to the World Trade Center, said he saw "bodies falling out" of the building. He said he ran outside, and watched people jump out of the first building, and then there was a second explosion, and he felt heat on the back of neck.
Within the hour of the New York attacks, an aircraft crashed on a helicopter landing pad near the Pentagon and a car bomb exploded outside the State Department. The White House and all government buildings have been evacuated amid threats of terrorism.
"Today we've had a national tragedy," Mr Bush said in Florida. "Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center in an apparent terrorist attack on our country." He said he would be returning immediately to Washington.
Terrorist bombers struck the World Trade Center in February 1993, killing six people and injuring more than 1,000 others.
The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) was initially reported as claiming responsibility for the attacks. But a DFLP spokesman has denied these reports.
All flights in America have been grounded and flights are being diverted to Canada.
The London Stock Exchange and Canary Wharf have been evacuated.
Tony Blair, speaking at the TUC conference in Brighton, said: "I know that you would join with me in sending the deepest condolences to President Bush and the American people on behalf of the British people after these terrible events.
"This mass terrorism is the new evil in our world today it is perpetrated by fanatics. We, the democratic societies of the world are going to have to come together to fight it together."
So many people asked who could have done this. It makes me sad to see how ignorant and uninformed we (Americans) are. Have you all forgotten the World Trade Center bombing? Let me remind you it was Palestinines.
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The Jews and Palestinines have been fighting for thousands of years. Somehow the Jews have convinced Americans to keep them in supply with weapons. The Palestinines want their land back from the Jews and for thousands more years will continue to fight (unless one side dies first).
These terrorist are attacking us because they want us to remove our weapons from Israel and let them fight it out. Israel has been attacking the West Bank and at 6PM last night attacked again with US weapons.
http://asia.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/09/11/mide
Two planes have smashed into the World Trade Centre towers in New York and a third into the Pentagon in what is being described as the worst terrorist attack in history.
Both the 1,360-ft towers have now collapsed. More than 50,000 people work in the complex.
There are also reports of an explosion at Capitol Hill and of a fourth hijacked aircraft heading towards Washington.
A separate fire forced the evacuation of the White House.
Reports are coming in that another large plane has crashed south of Pittsburgh.
Hijack
It is reported two United Airlines passenger planes were hijacked shortly before the first plane struck the Trade Centre in Manhattan.
One was thought to be a 737 capable of carrying more than 100 passengers. The other was confirmed as an American flight 11 from Boston to Los Angeles. A Boeing 767 can carry up to 269 people.
A third plane has slammed into the Pentagon just outside Washington DC parts of the complex collapsed after fire engulfed the building. Much of the complex is in flames.
Gaping hole
The first plane smashed into the top stories of one of the Trade Centre's towers, leaving two gaping holes in the side.
Minutes later another aircraft approached, turned in the air and crashed into the lower storeys of the second tower - the footage was seen live on TV stations around the world.
The second explosion engulfed several floors.
A person who answered the phone on the trading floor at interdealer-broker Cantor Fitzgerald, located near the top of the World Trade Center, said: "We're f***ing dying," then hung up. There was screaming and yelling in the background. A follow up call was not answered.
"This has got to be one of the most horrendous terrorist attacks perhaps ever perpetrated," terrorism expert Chris Yates told Sky News.
Flights grounded
At least 1,000 people have been reported injured. The 110-storey towers are in lower Manhattan.
All flights to the US have been diverted to Canada. All flights in the US have been grounded. Telephone lines to New York are all down.
President Bush was in Florida at the time of the attacks but is now returning to Washington.
More follows .
Last Modified: 15:44 UK, Tuesday September 11, 2001
If people want an alternative site to post at feel free to hop over to www.libertynews.org. I've got lots of BW to spare, especially today. Please try to limit it to factual updates from around the country, limit the rampant speculation for now please.
Brian
Remember Lexington Green!
Sorry for the AC, but circumstances being what they are...
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Terrorists struck the United States Tuesday morning in harrowing, widespread attacks that included at least three commercial jet crashes into significant buildings.
? In the first attack, a plane smashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center in Manhattan shortly before 9 a.m., followed by another plane into the second tower about 20 minutes later. Both towers later collapsed. Sources told CNN that one of the planes was an American Airlines Boeing 767 that had been hijacked after take-off from Boston.
? About an hour later, a plane crashed into the Pentagon in Washington, part of which later collapsed.
? Sources say a second plane was heading toward the Pentagon; F-16 jets were in the air monitoring it.
? The Pentagon, the White House, the State Department, the Justice Department, the Capitol and all other government buildings in Washington evacuated.
? The FAA shut down all airports in the country, and all international flights heading into D.C. and New York airports were diverted to Canada.
? Israel has evacuated all its missions around the world.
? President Bush cancelled an appearance in Florida to return to Washington, calling the crashes "apparent terrorist attacks" and "a national tragedy."
? In Chicago, the Sears Tower was evacuated; United Nations in New York evacuated.
? The New York Port Authority said it had closed all bridges and tunnels into the city.
? New York's Bellevue Hospital was designated command central for handling the catastrophe. Several hospitals have already reported receiving victims with burns and head injuries.
? Large plane crashed 80 miles south of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, but it was unknown if this crash was connected to terrorist attacks.
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There is also a photo of one of the towers missing part of its top, captioned "Flames and smoke erupt from the World Trade Center after a second plane crashes into the New York City landmark." Given one of the holes is 7 stories large, it looks like some 20-30 floors are missing from the other.
Any word on the Pittsburg plane crash?
Me.
I'm on business in Pittsburgh, and CNN just reported another 767 crashing southeast of Pittsburgh in Somerset County. The city is on alert, and of course, all airplanes are grounded. I can't reach my family to let them know all is well with me because "all circuits are busy".
Religion is the opium of the people. Evolution is the opium of scientists.
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- Both world trade center towers collapsed
- at least one of the planes was a 767 en route from Boston to LA.
- a smaller plane has crashed into the Pentagon
- a 767 is down in Somerset PA
- a United Aircraft flight 93 is alleged by the FBI to have crashed at or near Camp David
- today is the anniversery of the Camp David Accords
- the state department denies a car bomb outside of a DC statebuilding contrary to early reports
I know it is early; but if this turns out to be Bin Laden, the US should give Afghanistan an ultimatum:
Give us Bin Laden in 24 hours or we oficially issue a Declaration of War and us ALL of our weapons available
Radical, yes? Emotional, yes? It is time to screw politics and use some brute force.
These people have not left Bush much of a choice. At this point, the only question is "Can the CIA/NSA track the attackers and supply enough data to nuke their leader?"
An attack this large is going to leave a ton of evidence to be analyzed. Getting away with a crime is inversely proportional to the number of people involved. The very size and nature of this attack eliminates most of the sane/reasonable world as suspects.
Having no reasonable options, Bush is not in a position to do anything other than hunt down the loonies and administer radiation therapy.
Perhaps Bush's real test will come in the form of unrelated international challenges, where the confusion of this attack is used a diversion. If China wanted to invade Taiwan, they won't get a better opportunity than this.
If you are wondering what you can do to help.
http://www.krmg.com/features/091101worldtradeattac k.html
All major downtown cities are being evacuated. All federal buildings across the country are also being cleared. The president is heading toward a secret destination with a squadron of fighter jets as an escort.
Both Trade Center buildings have totally collapsed. A plan has hit the pentagon building.
The FAA is reporting that SEVERAL planes are unaccounted for. No word on how many of those might be hijacked or their destination, although one Trans-atlantic flight is reportedly headed for Washington,DC. As a result, fighter jets are currently flying cover over the city as everyone evacuates.
No other word so far.
Natural != (nontoxic || beneficial)
I just heard that another plane has crashed near Pittsburgh.... I'm trying to get links but everything is down. Can somebody please post a copy?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp
So this is the first crash not involving Windows in quite a while. What a weird day all around.
PS- I'm not feeling too happy about being right next to CNN Center posting this.
Game... blouses.
www.globeandmail.com to start.
The Realmedia feed of VOA is one of the only things I can currently reach at www.voa.gov. The stream itself can be reached directly at www.voa.gov/streams/live/newsnow.ram . It goes without saying that they're covering this full-time.
I want the fire back.
My prediction is that they'll wait until the investigation has turned up some solid information before doing anything. I should point out, Clinton made a not very subtle threat against the middle east in the wake of Oklahoma City. He looked pretty stupid when it turned out to be an American anarchist. Still, given that something on the order of half a dozen attacks occured nearly simutaneously (two planes into the WTC, one car bomb nearby, some unknown means of attack against the pentagon building, and a crashed plane outside of western PA), this was probably the work of either a very large terrorist organization or a foreign government.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
To me it is obvious that he must literally have ben waiting for a chance like this to show off his all-new weaponry and proof why the military budget had to be increased beyond all sensibility.
Not to speak of the people no longer caring about how he fucked up the US economy.
Definitely some people's butts will be kicked as hard as possible for this - I am just afraid most of them will have not more to do with this than the poor souls that were caught in the towers.
shivering,
Fionn
Although FAA has grounded all flights, many (**) are past the point of no return coming from Europe (Schiphol, DeGaulle, Heathrow, et al), South America, or Asia... while others (=) have turned back.
_ tracker_home.xsl
Trackable here, with maps, direction, and air speed:
http://www.flightexplorer.com/FastTrack.asp
Track a random flight, or select one of particular interest.
Reports just gathered on random flights:
Continental express #4804 from GWB Intercon to Jackson Inter ETA 14:42 UTC
** American #14 from Brussels to JFK, ETA 18:28 UTC
American Airlines #2401 Dallas to Phoenix ETA 14:40 UTC
** United #26 Schiphol to Newark ETA 18:22 UTC
Delta #368 Seattle to Seattle ETA 14:34 UTC, turned back
** Air France #378 De Gaulle to Philadelphia ETA 16:17 UTC
** American #936 Simon Bolivar to Miami ETA 15:38 UTC
Northwest #1019 George Bush to Memphis ETA 14:54 UTC
Southwest airlines Kansas city to Will Rogers ETA 14:18 UTC
Southwest airlines Indianapolis to Albuquerque ETA 14:44 UTC
** Telford Aviation #106 Heathrow to General Edward Lawrence ETA 17:42 UTC
** Continental #37 Dusseldorf to Newark ETA 18:08 UTC
= Chataqua #4758 Gatwick to Orlando, has turned back
** Northwest Airlines #12 Tokyo Intl to Detroit ETA 19:14 UTC
Northwest Airlines #1843 Buffalo to Minneapolis ETA 15:13 UTC
** American #83 Frankfurt to Chicago ETA 18:33
= Delta #127 Barajas to JFK at 16:32 , has turned north
** Virgin Atlantic #27 Gatwick to Orlando ETA 18:32
= Delta #11 Gatwick to Atlanta ETA 19:33 UTC, now turned west
Flight International Jacksonville, Jacksonville circling.
** Delta #1852 Schiphol to GWBush ETA 18:14 UTC
** American Eagle #622 Frankfurt to Dallas ETA 19:53 UTC
Air Canada #993 from Toronto, turned back to Toronto
= Delta #1581 Heathrow to ? now turned north to Toronto ETA 14:17 UTC
= Unknown #LU Gatwick to BWI at 19:33 UTC, now turned back Northeast
= US Air #2296 Luis Munoz to Philadelphia ETA 16:06 UTC, now turned back south
Note that some flights may not have sufficient fuel to turn back or divert -- perhaps those from the Far East, Africa, or the Middle East are the most likely to need to land in the US.
Other options:
http://www.trip.com/trs/trip/flighttracker/flight
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First he wins the White House right when the US economy is spiraling into recession. Now we have the most significant terrorist attack on US soil in history.
Al Gore is probably having a big sigh of relief this morning thinking, "Maybe trying again in 2004 won't be such a bad thing afterall."
Why are you letting these clowns ruin our country?
2 items:
NEWS ALERT: FOX News is reporting that the Democratic Front For The Liberation Of Palestine is claiming responsibility for the destruction of the twin towers at the World Trade Center in New York City.
And an article:
http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSWorldTrade0109/11_scen
'I just saw the top of Trade Two come down.'
By HELEN O'NEILL-- The Associated Press
NEW YORK (AP)-- It was the scene of a nightmare: people on fire jumping in terror from the Trade Towers just before the buildings collapsed.
"Everyone was screaming, crying, running, cops, people, firefighters, everyone," said Mike Smith, a fire marshal from Queens, as he sat by the fountain outside the Supreme Court building, shortly after the second tower collapsed. "A couple of marshals just picked me up and dragged me down the street."
"It's like a war zone. There are many injured."
This was the horror unfolding in New York City in the wake of an apparent terrorist attack.
"I just saw the building I work in come down," said businessman Gabriel Ioan, shaking in shock outside City Hall a cloud of smoke and ash from the World Trade Center behind him. "I just saw the top of Trade Two come down."
Nearby a crowd mobbed a man on a pay-phone, screaming at him to get off the phone so that they could call relatives. Dust and dirt flew everywhere. Ash was 2 to 3 inches deep in places. People wandered dazed and terrified.
"People were jumping out of windows," said an unidentified crying woman. "I guess people were trying to save themselves. Oh my God!"
"I was in the World Financial Center looking out the window," said one woman. "I saw the first plane and then 15 minutes later saw the other plane just slam into the World Trade Center."
Another eyewitness, AP newsman Dunstan Prial, described a strange sucking sound from the Trade Center buildings after the first building collapsed.
"Windows shattered. People were screaming and diving for cover. People walked around like ghosts, covered in dirt, weeping and wandering dazed."
"It sounded like a jet or rocket," said Eddie Gonzalez, a postal worker at a post office on West Broadway. "I looked up and saw a huge explosion. I didn't see the impact. I just saw the explosion."
Morning commuters heading into Manhattan were stranded as the Lincoln Tunnel was shut down to incoming traffic. Many left their cars and stood on the ramp leading to the tunnel, staring in disbelief at the thick cloud of smoke pouring from the top of the two buildings.
On the streets of Manhattan, people stood in groups talking quietly or watching on television at ground-level network studios.
Joan Goldstein, communications project leader for The Associated Press, was on a bus from New Jersey at about 8:50 a.m. when she saw "smoke pouring out of the World Trade Center building. We said, 'Oh, my God! The World Trade Center's on fire!"
Perhaps 10 minutes later, "All of a sudden, there was an orange plume, a huge explosion. It shot out the back of the building. Everybody on the bus was just moaning and gasping," said Goldstein, who wept and trembled as she spoke.
The plume was from the second plane, but she didn't see the plane because of the thick smoke.
She tried to call friends who work there, but couldn't get through.
"It was the most horrible thing I've ever seen in my life," said Goldstein.
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I found this on an Australian news agency.. (The only news agency I have been able to view so far)
http://www.news.com.au
below is the article from them stating who has owned up to the atrocity of the World Trade Center plane crashes.
Group claims responsibility
11sep01
A PALESTINIAN group has claimed responsibility for the New York World Trade Center attacks.
Abu Dhabi television reports it's received a call from the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine abroad claiming responsibility for crashing two planes into the World Trade Center buildings.
Qatar-based al-Jazeera television reports FBI sources say one of the two aircraft had been hijacked.
In another article they hint that a fourth plane was hijacked and heading towards Washington and jets have been scrambled to intercept the plane.
IS
By FT.com staff - Sep 11 2001 15:35:23
US President George W. Bush said on Tuesday that the full resources of the US would be used to "hunt down" the perpetrators of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks.
The immediate assumption was that a Middle Eastern group must be responsible for an attack of this magitude and complexity. Palestinian militants made an immediate claim of responsibility. The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestinian, a militant splinter group, issued a statement of responsibility to a TV station in Abu Dhabai.
Analysts said the claim should be treated with caution. The DFLP has no history of terrorist attacks outside Israel and the occupied territories. The group was founded in 1969 when it split from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) and opposes the Middle East peace process.
The group conducted numerous small bombings and minor assaults, and some more spectacular operations in Israel during the 1970s, concentrating on Israeli targets. Since 1988 it has been limited to border raids around Israel.
Phil Butterworth-Hayes, the civil aviation editor with the Janes information group, said that aircraft attacks such as those on the WTC were very difficult to stop.
"The whole civil aviation system works on trust. In America,security systems are the responsibility of the Federal Aviation Administration. The first thing the FAA are going to have to do is completely rethink some of the security systems they have in place at the moment," Mr Butterworth-Hayes said.
"Terrorists are always one step ahead of the institutions that really need protection. Once you defeat one aspect of terrorism, you have to battle against something else," he said.
© Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2001.
Which is also flamebait.
How many americans who are pissed off about this would also (before today) have agreed with donating money to Sinn Feinn and the IRA cause? [Background info: these organisations are largely funded by americans of irish ancestry].
I'm genuinely interested - I think all terrorism is an evil. I just hope that what motivates people now is not "this is war" but actually "this and all things like it are disgusting - how do we get together and try to prevent all of them".
One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
Looks like Geocities cut off your bandwidth =(
Explain to me, in real empiracal facts, how he 'fucked up' the US economy. Come on man! Grow up and quit being some pathetic parrot. People like you are slaves to your own hate and malice, so that you don't realize that you are nothing but a puppet for those who wish personal power. STOP BEING HYPOCRITICAL! If you want to throw this or that accusation against ANYONE, then you had damn better be both judging yourselves and your pathetic little corrupt political parties by the same standards as well.
I pity you and anyone like you, as you are both slave and slave beater at the same time. Hitler loved people like you.
As for budgeting the military, then perhaps you can now follow that up by saying that ALL government programs that are NOT ALLOWED BY THE US CONSTITUTION should be abolished? Well? Oh, wait, that would be applying consistency, logic and reason. Instead you would rather be the yipping little chihuahua that only barks and maybe nips at heals of the real problem... You my tyrant loving friend are the PROBLEM not part of the solution.
They have video of the planes hitting and the towers falling.
marketwatch.com
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http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/worldtrade.crash/ index.html
Here it is from CNN, only a synopsis right now.
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Terrorists struck the United States Tuesday morning in harrowing, widespread attacks that included at least three commercial jet crashes into significant buildings.
In the first attack, a plane smashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center in Manhattan shortly before 9 a.m., followed by another plane into the second tower about 20 minutes later. Both towers later collapsed. Sources told CNN that one of the planes was an American Airlines Boeing 767 that had been hijacked after take-off from Boston.
About an hour later, a plane crashed into the Pentagon in Washington, part of which later collapsed.
Sources say a second plane was heading toward the Pentagon; F-16 jets were in the air monitoring it.
The Pentagon, the White House, the State Department, the Justice Department, the Capitol, the CIA and all other government buildings in Washington evacuated.
In the first ever national ground stop of aircraft, all flights nationwide have been stopped at their departure airports.
All international flights were diverted to Canada.
Israel has evacuated all its missions around the world.
President Bush cancelled an appearance in Florida to return to Washington, calling the crashes "apparent terrorist attacks" and "a national tragedy."
In Chicago, the Sears Tower was evacuated; United Nations in New York evacuated.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta was evacuated.
The New York Port Authority said it had closed all bridges and tunnels into the city.
New York's Bellevue Hospital was designated command central for handling the catastrophe. Several hospitals have already reported receiving victims with burns and head injuries.
Large plane crashed 80 miles south of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, but it was unknown if this crash was connected to terrorist attacks.
U.S. stock markets were closed after the New York attacks.
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Oh bother.
"LATEST NEWS: A United Airlines plane has crashed into Camp David, according to CBS, and a jet has crashed 80 miles south of Pittsburgh. Broadcast reports say several planes are missing. Acting Governor Jane Swift has moved her operations to the state emergency management bunker in Framingham in reaction to the apparent terrorist attacks."
Other attacks: Part of the Pentagon has collapsed following the crash, and a car bomb has exploded outside the State department.
The Times of India was reporting a third plane hitting the base of the World Trade Center, but that's been unconfirmed.
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I'm listening to National Public Radio. The host of Morning Edition, Bob Edwards, just interviewed Dr. Alice Cronin professor of Counter-Terrorism at Georgetown University. She said (I'm paraphrasing),
"We have liberties in the US that we cherish, but there may need to be some trade-offs of those for greater security. And those trade-offs will be on the table."
Look for those in government who always seek an opportunity to restrict civil liberties to attempt to use this as a pretext for that.
We have to be ready to counter that immediately!
The Twin Towers of New York's landmark World Trade Center came crashing to the ground Tuesday morning after terrorists crashed two airplanes into the buildings as part of an organized attack on America.
An airplane crashed into the Pentagon, collapsing a portion of the five-sided building, and an explosion rocked the State Department.
A large aircraft also went down outside Pittsburgh.
CBS reported that intelligence sources told them that a total of eight planes have been hijacked, five are still in the air, and only three have carried out their mission so far -- the two at the World Trade Center and the one at the Pentagon
There was no immediate word of the fate of those at the World Trade Center. Authorities had been trying to evacuate the 50,000 people who work in the Twin Towers, but many were thought to be trapped.
President Bush ordered a full-scale investigation to "hunt down the folks who committed this act."
Within an hour of the 9 a.m. twin crashes into the World Trade Center, an aircraft crashed on a helicopter landing pad near the Pentagon, a car bomb exploded outside the State Department, and the West Wing of the White House was evacuated amid threats of terrorism. And another explosion rocked New York about an hour after the crash.
Authorities went on alert from coast to coast, halting all air traffic, evacuating high-profile buildings and tightening security at strategic installations.
FNC
Evacuations were ordered at the United Nations in New York and at the Sears Tower in Chicago. Los Angeles mobilized its anti-terrorism division, and security was intensified around the naval facilities in Hampton Roads, Va.
One of the planes that crashed into the Trade Center was American Airlines Flight 11, hijacked after takeoff from Boston en route to Los Angeles, the airline said.
The planes blasted fiery, gaping holes in the upper floors of the twin towers. A witness said he saw bodies falling and people jumping out. About an hour later, the southern tower collapsed with a roar and a huge cloud of smoke; the other tower fell about a half-hour after that.
Firefighters trapped in the rubble radioed for help.
"Today we've had a national tragedy," Bush said in Sarasota, Fla. "Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center in an apparent terrorist attack on our country." He said he would be returning immediately to Washington.
The crashes at the World Trade Center happened minutes apart, beginning just before 9 a.m.
Heavy black smoke billowed into the sky above one of New York City's most famous landmarks, and debris rained down on the street, one of the city's busiest work areas. When the second plane hit, a fireball of flame and smoke erupted, leaving a huge hole in the glass and steel tower.
John Axisa, who was getting off a commuter train to the World Trade Center, said he saw "bodies falling out" of the building. He said he ran outside, and watched people jump out of the first building. Then there was a second explosion, and he felt heat on the back of neck.
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WCBS-TV, citing an FBI agent, said five or six people jumped out of the windows. Witnesses on the street screamed every time another person leaped.
People ran down the stairs in panic and fled the building. Thousands of pieces of what appeared to be office paper drifted over Brooklyn, about three miles away.
Several subway lines were immediately shut down. Trading on Wall Street was suspended. New York's mayoral primary election was postponed. All bridges and tunnels into Manhattan were closed down.
David Reck was handing out literature for a candidate for public advocate a few blocks away when he saw a jet come in "very low, and then it made a slight twist and dove into the building."
Terrorist bombers struck the World Trade Center in February 1993, killing six people and injuring more than 1,000 others.
"A second occurrence is just beyond belief," said Ira Furber, former National Transportation Safety Board spokesman.
"It's just sick. It just shows how vulnerable we really are," said Keith Meyers, 39, of Ohio. "It kind of makes you want to go home and spend time with your family. It puts everything in perspective," Meyers said. He said he called to check in with his wife. They have two young children.
In New York, "we heard a large boom and then we saw all this debris just falling," said Harriet Grimm, who was inside a bookstore on the World Trade Center's first floor when the first explosion rocked the building.
In Florida, Bush was reading to children in a classroom at 9:05 a.m. when his chief of staff, Andrew Card, whispered into his ear. The president briefly turned somber before he resumed reading. He addressed the tragedy about a half-hour later.
The Associated Press contributed to this repor
this is truly awful. my heart goes out to those who have died, and their families.
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So far, the US gov. pressured Israeli gov. not to act upon terrorist attacks. It all gets a new perspective when stuff blow up in NYC and Washington and not just in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
The TV is reporting that a Palestinian group conducted these attacks. No matter who did it many Americans will believe that it was done by Palestinians. Over the last 5 years public opinion in the US has been turning toward the Palestinians and away from the Israelis.
But now, this attack will rate up their with the loss of the Battleship Maine and the attack on Pearl Harbor. Who ever has done this has doomed themselves, and they have destroyed Palestine as well.
If you are religious this would be a good time to pray that no nukes are used in retaliation. There will be retatliation. Even God can't stop that.
Stonewolf
9th month. Today's date is 911. It's listed in several of the "how to be a crazy freaking terrorist" manuals out there, I guess.
Confirmed report from United Airlines officials stated that Flight 175, a Boeing 767 en route from Boston to LAX is still MIA flying around out there. Also, A flight from Newark to LAX from United is the one belived to have crashed in Penn.
Trying to keep you all updated...
this all courtesy of KCBS
Pittsburgh flight is confirmed as United flight 93, 757 plane. 911 cellphone call from the plane points at hijacking.
United's site just has a press release, but I think they said flight 93 was from Newark to San Fransisco.
I know the area where it crashed, and it's just where the allegheny mountains begin, _nothing but trees_, so obviously they didn't acheive what they were aiming for.
There are still planes unaccounted for by airlines.
What a mess.
First plane had 81 passengers and 11 crewmembers. Second plane had 58 passengers and a crew of 6.
I work right across the river from NYC, and around 9 someone told me that a plane had hit the WTC. I ran down to the conference room and saw a huge cloud of smoke. There was a giant hole in the building, and i could see the flames licking out. A few minutes later, the second airplane hit in a huge explosion. I went back to my office to talk to co-workers, and about 20 minutes later, went back to the conference room. I just got there when there was this huge puff of dust and smoke, and I saw the building fall.
Please, if anyone wants to help, go see your local red cross, and donate a few pints of blood. We are going to need it.
NO!
Do not bomb them fast.
Figure out as best you can who did it. Do not follow this attack up by killing more innocent people. Period.
Fuck up the poeple who DID do it.
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James
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I don't feel like making any comments... None are necessary. Here are the last few news sites I can find that aren't flooded offline.
All news outlets on the Internet are shut down due to massive surge in traffic, so I am summarizing from reports collected via television, as well as friends in CNN , New York, and Boston. The best source for news is probably television broadcast, or your local city's newspaper website.
Around 8:00 AM, two planes smashed into one each of the towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, not more than twenty minutes apart. One of the airplanes was confirmed to be an American Airlines flight 11 from Boston to Los Angeles, which was hijacked and diverted. The other was also a hijacked American Airlines flight, this has not been confirmed.
Around 9:00 AM, the south tower of the WTC collapsed. People were seen jumping out of the 101-story building's topmost floors. At about 9:30, the second tower also collapsed. Both towers of the World Trade Center have been utterly destroyed.
At about the same time, a plane also crashed into the Pentagon building in Washington DC. That plane was also a hijacked passenger airliner. Another passenger airliner (United Airlines flight 93, enroute to San Francisco) has crashed in Pennsylvania, which may also have been hijacked. Car bombs have been reported at the US Capitol and the State Department.
The White House, State Department, Treasury, and Pentagon have all been evacuated. Manhattan island has been quarantined and Wall Street has suspended trading. Canary Wharf in London, The Sears Tower, Chicago Board of Trade, and John Hancock Center in Chicago, the John Hancock and Prudential Towers in Boston, and CNN Center in Atlanta have all been evacuated/locked down. Major downtown centers in cities across the United States are also being evacuated. The Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) has grounded *all* flights in the USA.
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News site: http://www.nwcn.com/ Video of second plane and buildings collapsing: http://mfile.akamai.com/1290/asf/norwest.download. akamai.com/1290/video/asf/80/terrorattacks.asx
If it was Bin Laden, a declaration of war on Afghanistan would not be out of line. The flattening of that backward terrorist-hosting nation can serve as a lesson to those who might consider similar actions in the future. Or, as someone else pointed out, they could hand over Bin Laden in chains and avoid being turned into a glass parking lot.
CEE5210S The signal SIGHUP was received.
You know, through all of this, I have been unable to find any solid news source besides Slashdot.
Thanks to all of you out there posting links and getting the news through to those of us without televisions or radios!
Wooden armaments to battle your imaginary foes!
No travel, domestic or international. Wust wear badges. Leaders must account for whereabouts of employees at all times. No visits to government buildings. Employees not allowed to leave.
;)
I hope the "not allowed to leave" the building is temporary.
99.9999 of Arabic people in the US are here because they love the US. They may express it differently, and sometimes have odd viewpoints, but at the end of the day, they are here and love the USA.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
CNN.com has dropped all of their advertising and replaced their main webpage with a short bulletted listing of the incidents and status so far under the headline "AMERICA UNDER ATTACK", and the single link on their main page takes you to another advertisement free page with the fully info so far (http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/worldtrade.crash /index.html).
It's absolutely amazing that these attacks managed to get pulled off, and it really redefines the word "terrorism".
All I know about Bush is I had a good job when Clinton was president.
You Slashidiot.
Everywhere you look, even in the face of disaster, you've got to bring up your pet cause. Forget it for a moment and think of what's prudent. Every flight landing in my state is being thoroughly searched, and I'm just peachy-fine with that.
I got my Linux laptop at System76.
I saw a woman who said she made it out from the 56th floor of the second tower (the 2nd to collapse, that is) by walking down the stairs along with everyone else.
At least a decent number of people made it out.
Hopefully.
You can feel the terror and intensity, it's scary watching it on CNN.
A snapshot of some of pieces and reports I've seen:
A boeing 747 has crashed in Pittsbourgh, it is thought to be related.
Helicopters are patrolling air space over the pentagon expecting another possible attack ... earlier breaking news reported another (FOURTH) hijacked plane headed for a second attack on the Pentagon (within a 3 minute time frame is was thought at one point), this did not eventuate ...
One plane, United Flight 175, travelling from Boston to LA is now also thought to be hijacked, with another attack on the Pentagon possible.
JUST IN: POSSIBLE BREACH OF SECURITY, APPARENTLY A SENIOR AMERICAN POLITICIAN MAY BE INVOLVED WITH THE TERRORIST GROUP
That would be the difference between "pull" and "push" technology. *ANY* pull technology -- newspaper boys hawking the morning edition on the street corner, telephone calls to the hospitals, flagging down taxis -- is going to fail when *everyone* tries to make use of it.
So, d-oh. Nothing like stating the obvious, Register.
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If you are concerned that you may have friends in the area, unfortunately the Port Authority of NY and NJ site ( http://www.panynj.gov/ ) now reports:
"All facilities are closed due to a state of emergency."
However, see this inside page at the Port Authority:
http://www.panynj.gov/wtc/wtcfram.HTM
Directions appear here:
http://www.panynj.gov/wtc/directions2.htm
"The World Trade Center is located in lower Manhattan, stretching from Church Street on the east to West Street on the west, and from Liberty Street on the south to Vesey Street on the north."
Best vicinity map:
http://www.panynj.gov/wtc/wtcareamap7-00.gif
Other interior maps:
http://www.panynj.gov/wtc/mallmapframe.html
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Dear Citizen,
Please refrain from using the Internet, we need it for it's original mission - sending lauch codes to missles.
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Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
My first visit to the States (from England) was last Thursday to New York City.
These photos were taken of and from the World Trade Center (building 2) on Saturday early afternoon.
I'm not an emotional guy, but it's shocking to believe the devastation and loss of life that would be caused by an attack on these building.
"Mary had a crypto key, she kept it in escrow, and everything that Mary said, the Feds were sure to know."
well it's to freaking late.
We screwed up sometime after WW2 and created the Israeli state and later gave them guns. US diplomacy under Democrat (Clinton) leadership was saving our buts. There was a cease-fire and that was no BS. Then Bush was elected and the Israeli's and the Pallestineans started killing each other. AND BUSH WENT ON VACATION!
Maybe if we deported the whole Israeli state to someplace like Nevada or Utah and moved our own damned people around so that they could have a home. That would solve it and get the US OUT of this crap.
We are turning our business into an emergency blood donation center for the red cross. I ask that anyone who has a business that has a large amount of free space to donate it as an emergency center for the ARC to setup at.
If you cannot do that please just go and donate blood. It is desperately needed.
Prospecting Stinks. Stop Wasting Time on Cold Calling.
The fact that anything would get modded funny today is really sick...
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I know this is horrible but my first thought when I heard about the plane crash was 'gee, I hope everyone there has off-site backups'. At the time, I was mostly joking and didn't know how serious the damage was.
Now, while I'm struggling with the human toll, I am also wondering about all the data centers in the World Trade Center that are now dust. Looking over their client directory, I found at least half a dozen companies that did just data hosting. It also looks as though most every Fortune 100 company had a major toe-hold in the building.
I can't help but wonder what sort of data has been lost and how this is going to screw up finantial records for months if not years to come.
InitZero
You are recommending violence as an answer to violence.
Do you have any thought that this might be a mistake, and just invite further violence?
The U.S. government has a history of thinking that violence is the answer. The U.S. killed 2,100,000 people in Vietnam and maybe 150,000 people in Iraq.
The Bush administration recently increased U.S. support for the violence of the Israelis.
No matter how violent a country is, there is still an inexhaustible supply of people in other countries who also want to engage in violence. Violence can be unending. Do you want that?
No matter how angry you are, there are thousands of people who are more angry than you. Do you want them to attack you?
Bush's education improvements were
THE BOMBS HAD TO BE INSIDE THE BUILDINGS... IT LOOKED LIKE THE WERE DESTROYED FLOOR BY FLOOR.
The Planes were just to say "LOOK AT US!" and to divert emergency personnel to the area.
The Bombs went off after so as to maximize the damge to government agencies responding to the area.
This was very coordinated and very expensive... getting that much explosives inside the building was very expensive.
Of course this is all purely speculation... but as I said... IT LOOKS LIKE A CLASSIC IMPLOSION.
"Smokey, this isn't Nam, there are rules." -Walter
Talking with a Pearl survivor about these acts of terrorism I got the comment that this was worse than Pearl. At least there the targets were military. Here they majority of the deaths are civilian. Hope we (US Gov't) has the cohones to adequately retaliate, make it obvious that terrorism against us is just to damn expensive to try again. Suspect that we won't and as a result will suffer repeated terroristic acts in the future.
At times like these, personal politics can go straight to hell where they belong.
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
Why palestinians think it's okay to take others' lives, civilian or not:
They are told that it is a holy mission, from the time they are children. They are taught that they will go to heaven, and that there will be 71 virigins waiting for them.
When this question has come up from Trolls in the past, I've responded by asking, how do you deal with a terrorist threat within your own borders, where even children are being used as pawns?
here is a mirror with pics that seem to have been taken from a digital camera.
As well as video of a plane hitting a tower and one of the towers collapsing.
I wish my server luck...
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Nothing to see here
No. I think the US government believes that it is in its best interest for as MANY people as possible to see this live. Whatever they end up doing, they want the support of the population. Better to have a nation forged together by fire, like it was in WWII, than fragmented, weak and apathetic like it was during Viet Nam.
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.. reportedly also has some hijacked aircraft flying around, but since every newsagency is focussing on the US tragedy, this hasn`t been confirmed and is just a rumour. I must say that during the past 6 hours, I`ve only seen our national airport BrusselsX, which I can see from work, release 1 plane for takeoff, all other traffic is apparently shutdown. The NATO in brussels has been evacuated.
From somebody at the stockmarket, insureance shares have crashed and oilshares are sky-rocketing.
With great power comes great electricity bills.
And NONE of that is an excuse for what the terrorists did.
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Do I look like I speak for my employer?
This is war. Innocent people get killed in war. There is only one response that can be made to something like this: All out war.
I hate to be unsympathetic, but quite frankly, I don't give a shit. This requires an awesome display of power to ensure it NEVER happens again.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
For what it's worth, it would likely be prohibitively expensive to design tall buildings to withstand the impact of a large passenger jet.
[sarcasm] I'm sorry, but your voice of reason has no place here... [/sarcasm]
I think I heard that one before.
Did it work then ?
Well... Bin Laden DID use encryption to conceal his plans from the CIA... We should probably outlaw any form of encryption, and backdoor the existing variety...
Where is the bugtraq advisory regarding this security flaw?
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Any useful leader would long ago have turned away from terrorism, and toward realistic efforts for peace. Arafat has been the singular roadblock to this.
By local standards, Arafat is a positive dove compared to some. It sounds very much as if you quote his name just because it's the only one you know!
Secondly, what has Israel been doing in the last few weeks ? Regular helicopter and tank attacks on Palestinians, with little thought as to civilian casualties.
America has supported Israel in this. It has not castigated Israel for any over-reaction (when many other non-Arab nations have)nad it has done nothing to distance itself from these actions. Whether you support these actions or not, this evident support will have consequences for the safety of Americans.
You might regard Israel as justified, you might regard America's support for it as reasonable, but you should not be surprised when others don't feel that way and response by an escalated attack.
Part of the horrible nature of terrorism is that by striking at the heart of civilian life, every civilian starts to look for the enemy in their midst.
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HTF is this an "insight" ? It's one viewpoint, and it's understandable. It might even be morally justified (you have to ask yourself that). What it clearly isn't is "Insightful". What's an "insight" ? It's a new and novel view of something that makes it clearer and opens up a new path through some problem.
This is just the same old "Eye for an Eye" strategy, justifying itself because America has all the guns.
It's no new and smarter approach to solving anything.
Expect, within the next 24 hours:
*All Govt services closed
*Limited mobility
*The closing down of all cellular communications
*Limited Internet based communications
*Semi martial law
America is under attack, and the world is NEVER going to be the same.
Yeah, but in those days Democrats had some guts, but to tell you the truth, I agree with you. I shouldn't have pulled in Democrat or Republican. I don't take back what I said about Gore, though. :)
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
I sympathise with your desire for revenge. But please try to bear in mind in the days and weeks to come that revenge against a large group of people will hurt many innocent people. Those responsible for this attack are unspeakably evil individuals, but don't get so caught up in your desire to punish them that you end up hurting yet more innocent people - for example the civilians of another country. God forbid this tragedy should get any worse; that's what will happen if the US seeks revenge against an easy national target such as Palestine or Afghanistan rather than hunting down the individuals responsible for this awful attack. Please don't add your voice to those calling out for blood. Enough blood has been spilled already. Let us find and punish the individuals responsible, but let us not make an easy scapegoat out of innocent civilians, whatever their nationality or religion.
IS reporting that " The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine initially took responsibility, but later an official from the organization denied any involvement. Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat condemned the attacks.
A U.S. official said there had been no advance warning of an attack. "It's clear that this is terrorist-related, we're not sure who is responsible," the official said.
Israel evacuated all its missions around the world. Defense Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer hinted that the attack was carried out by Islamic terrorists, saying that "the threat of radical Islam is the central threat to the free world because its goal is to destroy everything connected to the values of western democracies."
Ben-Eliezer, who cancelled a scheduled trip to the U.S. which was to begin Wednesday, confirmed that an Israeli rescue team was being sent to the U.S. to help with the rescue operation.
Three weeks ago, arch-terrorist Osama Ben Laden warned that he would carry out an unprecedented attack on American interests because of their support for Israel. "
and that palestinians on the west bank are celebrating our tragedy: palestinians celebrate
Palestinians in West Bank celebrate attacks on U.S.
By Amos Harel, Ha'aretz Correspondent and Agencies
Palestinians across the West Bank on Tuesday celebrated the series of aircraft attacks on New York and Washington. There were scenes of celebration in the West Bank cities of Nablus, Tul Karm, Bethlehem and the Balata refugee camp.
While Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat condemned the attacks which levelled the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City and struck the Pentagon in Washington, hundreds of Palestinians distributed sweets in Nablus.
"I feel I am in a dream. I never believed that one day the United States would come to pay a price for its support to Israel," said Mustafa, a 24-year-old Palestinian gunman.
Several dozen Palestinian youths gathered in East Jerusalem to celebrate as well, honking out wedding tunes on their car horns. "We are so happy that America was hit. America is against us in supporting Israel," Suleiman, one of the demonstrators, said.
In Nablus, motorists honked their horns and gunmen fired into the air from assault rifles to cheer on the attacks which unfolded in the space of a few hours.
You really are a moron, aren't you 8-(
You can't even spell half their names, and I assume you meant Iraq, not Iran (probably you just wanted to go for both).
I wish I wasn't even the same species as you.
You think people who crash planes into buildings
are going to be *deterred* by revenge? No, your
only hope is to solve the problems that lead to
such hatred in the first place. See how
successful the military solution has been in
Northern Ireland?
There are a lot of injured people who will need blood. The state of New York can't handle the demand. Please help by going out and giving blood. Help others to do it too.
The only DDoS going on right now is people like us using our Mass-Web-Browsers-Of-Destruction (tm).
You've already missed it bub.
Pan
I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
FWIW, I'm not a citizen of the U.S. nor do I live there.
Violence induces more violence. Retaliation will only lead to more deaths. If you are a citizen of the U.S. of America, please write your representative right now and ask him to join a plea for peace. Historically the U.S. reaction to this kind of attack is to counter strike. It's highly probably that it's already being planned or even carried on. That will solve nothing. You might get even, but that achieves nothing. The death will not come back and the attack has been already recorded on the books of history. At this point in time, counter attacking is irrational and puts not only the lives of U.S. citizens at risk, but those of lots of people all arround the world, too.
Jews have been living in the area that is now Israel for thousands of years. They didn't just go clear out a bunch of Arabs and move in a whole lot of people from Europe, the people were ALREADY THERE. It is their land, which they deserve.
It's not Israel's fault that the idiots they have for border countries tried to invade them. It's not Israel's fault that they won each and every time. They defended themselves against armies five times their own size, and won. The ARABS attacked when Israel declared independence. The ARABS struck first in 48, and in every conflict since. They may have a case, they may have a cause, they may deserve a certain amount of pity, but by and large they are the aggressors.
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To get us to change our lifestyle. To get us to live in fear. That's the real purpose of terrorism. If we take this as a cue to crack down on personal freedoms, the method will be proven effective.
The best thing we can do is to continue going about our lives as we always have. Let the appropriate agencies find who did it and bring them to justice. (Note: I can't imagine "justice" in this case being anything other than swift execution of all involved.)
This is not to deny that we may have engendered the hatred much of the world has for us.
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I suggest that you get some of your friends together and try throwing rocks at the local cops. Let me know how it goes.
The Arab nations attacked Israel numerous times intent on total genocide, vowing to 'push the Jews into the sea'. They acted, then, in a unified fashion claiming that 'all arab nations were one'(panarabism). Against all odds they lost, no American aid involved. Then the Arabs couldn't give a shit about the palestinians. Sure, the nations like to complain, but has Syria allowed the Palestinians to move into Syria since all Arab nations are one? Prior to the creation of Israel, there was no such thing as 'Palestine'. What hypocracy. Palestine was what the Romans tried to rename Israel when they wated to destroy it. The Arabs got 99% of the land in the Middle East. Israel got 1%. And apparently this was too much for the Arabs.
Israel tries to keep Palestinians from settling near Israeli millitary establishments because it would pose a national security risk. They can't get permits in those areas (so it's very difficult for palestianians to get building permits anywhere, since Israel is such a small place- the size of New Jersy, for god's sake.). They build anyway, and then get pissed off when the buildings are bulldozed.
Keep these things in mind;
1. It's easy to judge others, but name one nation in all of history that has had its very existance continually threatened for over 50 years and maintained such a high degree of personal liberty. An arab Israeli citizen still has more freedom than a Palestinian, an Iraqui, a Syrian etc.
2. While Arafat claims to have given up on the destruction of Israel he gave as a condition of 'peace' what he calls the 'Palestinian right of return'. Any Palestinian who wanted to could become an Israeli citizen. Israel, unlike it's neighibors, is a democracy and would not survive intact. No nation should be forced to submit to its own destruction.
3. If you think Syria or Iraq is better than Israel you should seriously go live there. If you're feeling really frisky, try telling your neighibor about your religious beliefs if you have any. Find out what the government thinks of that kind of behavior. Iraqui and Palestinian broadcasting stations make up facts wholesale to support the government's chosen political beliefs. Oh yeah, they don't even bother to rebroadcast the BBC.
4. A person watching WWII late in the game might have had difficulty telling the Americans from the Germans. They may have pointed out that there were concentration camps in both nations. Reading history, it becomes clear who the agressors were. Israel made huge concesions during the peace process. What have they gotten to date? More bombings. The only thing that has prevented the wholesale slaughter of all Israelis has been the use of force in self defense. In that situation, I'd make the same choices that the Israelis have.
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It's the end of my comment as I know it and I feel fine.
I am sickened by this morning's horrible acts of terrorism, and I morn for what will surely turn out to be thousands of dead.
We, in the technical community, need to make sure that this event is not turned into a political opportunity for other groups that seek to undermine our freedoms, also for what they see as the greater good. If we yield to them, then we will have also lost. I am talking about not one specific group, but many: those who seek to trade away our rights of privacy, our relatively free access to information, and due process.
For example, I don't know if it's true, but I remember hearing a rumor that then-FBI director Louis Freeh told a congressional committee in closed session that if cryptographic export restrictions were loosened that he would finger those who voted for it at the next terrorist incident. Louis Freeh has his own political problems right now, but you can bet that others of similar mind will articulate this view in the news and talk shows over the next week.
Fortunately, while there is probably little you can do to help the victims of this morning's attacks if you are not in the affected areas, there are things that you can do to help defend our freedoms from opportunist political attack.
If you have some relevant credentials and are well spoken, consider contacting reporters and just offering yourself as a resource for some quotations on why we should not ban cryptography, require hard ID's for internet access, etc. For example, taking the perspective that a good offense is the best defense, you might want to make the point that we need ubiquitous strong cryptography to impede cyber cracking, especially when you consider that stolen information is often of a nature that it cannot be made secret again once the information is out. These terrorists must have gotten access to some information that they should not have had at some point in the course of their preparations (we'll see what the details turn out to be). That might turn out to yield a few examples of the sort of thing that could have benefitted from ubiquitous encryption. (I imagine there will be speculation in the other direction that these terrorists used might have used strong crypto themselves.)
You might consider submitting letters to the editor of print media (some people still get their information that way, I hear). Finally, you might want to write your representatives and senators know. I imagine that congress is going to get so much mail over this that letters on this topic will not be read in detail by anyone, but some consideration is but I imagine that attention will be paid to how many letters say, in essence, "don't put the constitution in the paper shredder yet."
I can accept that some institutional changes may have to be made to reduce chances of something like this happening again, and I certainly don't mean to detract from the significance of the tremendous tragedy to that has occurred today. Let's just make sure that this does not turn into a second tragedy with respect to the way our society works.
Besides, the U.S. now has reason to fully commit its troops and other resources. In Somalia and even the Gulf War, no U.S. lives were at risk, other than the soldiers themselves. In this case, thousands of U.S. civilians were killed, and more may be at risk in future if the perpetrators aren't neutralized.
It's as the saying goes: what doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~yodio/WTC.html
-Lkb
Sorry for the bad joke. At the time I posted it looked (well, to me) far less serious than that, something like "a cesna had a problem an crashed into WTC". ...and my IQ at that time in the morning is not too high either...
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One side-effect of the Gulf War was that it gave the US Military a chance to try out all their neat new hardware under real wartime conditions. I wonder if we'll get a chance to see if you really can land a military jet on a US Interstate highway...
Your Servant, B. Baggins
They are celebrating because they are fools. They think that hurting the US will make the US treat them better. In fact, the video of those celebrations will be shown all over the US for days, and the vast majority of the citizens of the US will react with horror. They will come away believing that the Palestinians are a deadly threat to the US. Over the last century we have seen many cases where countries and groups took actions against the US that showed that they had no understanding of the basic psychology of the American people.
Historically the US has reacted to deadly threats not by backing away from them, but by near total destruction of the threat. The last time someone hurt us this badly we nuked two of their cities. At the time we only had two nukes.
I live in Fort Greene, Brooklyn; just a few blocks from both the Manhattan and Brooklyn bridges. The lower Manhattan skyline is visible from the end of my block and most of the route to Manhattan.
This morning a little after 9 am I heard a bang. I later learned that this was the second plane hitting the South tower.
I got a call from my mother in Chicago who wanted to warn me that 'the World Trade Center is under attack by planes.' I turned on the radio as President Bush acknowledged an 'apparent terrorist attack.' Immediately, I got off the line, grabbed my camera and my girlfriend's Walkman, and hopped on my bicycle.
The plume of smoke, an immense black ribbon stretching toward Manhattan, was visible the entire route down Flatbush Avenue, which terminates at the Manhattan Bridge. This same roadway then becomes Canal Street after reaching Manhattan.
I tried to take the pedestrian walkway over the Manhattan Bridge, but it seemed at the time that the police weren't going to allow me to pass. So I went to the next best vantage point.
So I rode into DUMBO; Down Underneath the Manhattan Bridge Overpass, to the park in between the Brooklyn and Manhattan bridges. Buildings obstructed the World Trade Center itself until I reached that point.
Link to map of my vantage point (my spot between the bridges marked with a red +):7 3.9943&size=m&s=25
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=40.7042&lon=-
As I came out from under the Manhattan Bridge, I was moved to revulsion at the sight of the gutted twin behemoths. Several floors of the buildings seemed to have been reduced to black girders, consumed by flame as gouts of black smoke spouted from their interiors. Still too large to fall, or so I thought.
There were fewer than 50 people watching with me, similarly aghast. They opened their car doors and played their radios as loud as they could.
I watched and shot video from this vantage point as the reports came in: Another plane hit the Pentagon. A plane was missing in Pennsylvania. Another DC Police plane was unaccounted for. I watched reviling at the horror as objects fell from the cracked and fuming edifice.
The city seemed uncharacteristically quiet. Sirens could be heard over the East River in Manhattan, and occasionally an escorted emergency vehicle or two would cross the Bridges toward Manhattan.
And then the South tower collapsed.
It started at the break about 3/4 of the way up the building, the black smoke overcome by white, milky dust. I thought merely the top of the building would fall off, but the entire length of the building splintered open, shattering and unfolding like an explosion at a crystal chandelier factory.
A solid, white pea-soup fog enveloped downtown. I could only see the very tip of the North Tower's antenna.
Incredulously, I tried to imagine New York with only one World Trade Tower. Skylines would have to be revised. The remaining tower would be an icon of American resolve and determination over adversity. Musing this kept me from considering the real losses.
And then the North tower vaporized, unfolding in a shattering parasol of black, then white dust.
I felt growing dread about my proximity to a remaining landmark, the Brooklyn Bridge, so I unlocked my bike and started home. Nothing more to see.
It was then I noticed the refugees- throngs of people pouring over the walkways of the bridges above me. Streams of pedestrians walking FDR Drive, the highway running along Manhattan's East side. I even spot a few police trucks headed North on FDR, trailing eddies of debris and dust behind them.
F-16 fighter jets prowl the sky on high, while Police helicopters and boats trawl the lower strata. All powerless; unable to change the condition of the city; only manage the aftermath.
I deftly ride my bicycle home, streets gridlocked in car traffic. The police on the streets in Brooklyn are evidently reserves; I spot several uniformed *school* policewomen standing on corners, directing traffic.
The city is closed south of Canal street. The bridges and tunnels are closed. The subways are closed. Every payphone I can see is in use. Storefronts are shuttering. Now I am safe at home, but I fear for my girlfriend.
She works in Times Square in a relatively high-profile building. I had several messages from her on my return. Amazingly, I am able to get through to her in the office and she informs me that her office has closed. She is walking to a coworker's apartment 29 blocks away. I don't know when we can... er, UPDATE: She's made it to her coworker's apartment without incident. No word yet on when she can cross over the East River to our home in Brooklyn, but she's safe for now. So friends and family- we're OK!
I still don't know what to make of all this- it seems like a movie.
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Oh, great! This sort of revenge attitude is precisely the kind of thing that which whe terrorists want, and the kind of thing that leads to more of these terrorist attacks.
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We get attacked, and innocent people die, so
- we go out and 'punnish' innocent people who are vaguely associated with the cause of the killers.
- switch sides and go to step one.
Hatred and random violence are not the appropriate responses to violence. Hatred comes from fear. Generating fear in random people on the other side is only going to create an opening for those who wish to generate more hatred against us.Most notably: attacks against innocents only vaguely associated with the terrorist only helps the cause of the terrorists. It makes more people desperate and angry -- feeding the machinery of the terrorists. This is the last thing we want.
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
Will this affect the stock market????
I expect so. Gold, Sterling, Oil and Defence stocks will go up. Airline stocks will go down. Of course, that's all academic, the trading floors in NYC and London are shut...
Our sympathies to the relatives of the victims of the World Trade Center collapse.
Now do the right thing, Mr. Bush -- if Osama bin Laden was behind this, find him and his henchmen and blow them into the next dimension.
The problem with the "Never Again" defense is that no sooner had they suffered their own attrocities then they started INFLICTING THE SAME ATTROCITIES in the land they unilaterally decided was theirs and theirs alone.
Israel COULD have had credibility as an idea if they'd tried to create a Switzerland of sorts, a promised land flowing with milk and honey where people were free to worship as they pleased and proudly declare their heritage without fear of persecution.
But instead, they decided to found the nation on principles of xenophobia and entitlement and death and suffering to anyone who opposed them. That's the main reason why the arabs detest them.
It's sad, because I am sure that not all Israelis are like the guy who killed Yitzak Rabin, or Ariel Sharon. They are most likely human beings who would like to live out their lives as best they can and let their neighbors do the same. Most palestinians are probably like that, too.
Frankly, I don't think any power in that region is capable of fairly governing it.
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oh, you're right... Bush Sr. did a great job too didn't he?
The buiding shook. And they broke into my office screaming "The World Trade Center got hit by a plane." Which is especially frightening to my company, a corporate travel agency.
We saw them fall. I still haven't heard from several people who worked down town.
You cannot know how horrible this is.
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Timothy McViegh was *NOT* an anarchist! You are disrespecting the memories of millions of anarchists, such as the Industrial Workers of the World, Emma Goldman, the CNT/FAI and other anti-fascists, and many, many more, when you make a false statement like that.
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Timothy McVeigh was a murderer who had vaguely anti-government beliefs, true. But he was absolutely *NOT* an anarchist.
Dominion
All the attackers would need to do is to threaten to kill the passengers if the crew doesn't open up the security door. I imagine that's why such a system was never used in the first place. A locking door would be useless.
Your hatred of the UN is irrational and at the moment, a non sequitur in relation to the very small army of anational commandos who carried out this operation. The UN is the only global organization capable of bringing disputants together, monitoring DMZs, bringing food and medicine to the helpless. Demonization of such thing because of a fear of world domination is hysterical, especially since WE are for all intents and purposes the UN nowadays.. even tho we don't pay any of our dues, we still insist on setting its agenda.
Stick with the real. We have, I'd guess, religious psychotics who want to kick our ass for supporting Israel. Staying home and sticking our head in our collective asses will get us killed a lot faster than maintaining liason with the planet. At least we get good spy posts.
Sorry for posting something meaningless, but damn I'm upset. Hopefully justice will be served, tenfold.
I'd like to offer an unreserved and humble appology for the above post.
Osama Bin Laden is the only nutter with the will and resources to pull this off. Lone psychotics like McVeigh do not hijack four aircraft.
Please don't get me wrong. Those who committed or aided the horrible terrorist act have sinned beyond my imagination.
I just want to know why. Most people I've met are generally good... and when they exibhit bad behavior it is often circumstances which have pushed them there.
We must consider the root cause of this problem if we are going to fix it. Sometimes it requires an inward look, walk in the other person's shoes for a bit and ask youself... really ask your self, would you act any differently?
I agree... the *specific* individuals involved are evil -- the problem is the *environment* which has created/encouraged/supported those individuals. If we are even partially responsible for that environment it is our task to clean our own house before we may demand the same of others.
Sorry, but this mirror is now down...
Nothing to see here