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Big Bang Really a Big Hum
benna writes "The New Scientist reports, 'The Big Bang sounded more like a deep hum than a bang, according to an analysis of the radiation left over from the cataclysm. Physicist John Cramer of the University of Washington in Seattle has created audio files of the event which can be played on a PC. "The sound is rather like a large jet plane flying 100 feet above your house in the middle of the night," he says.' Apparently the idea for the project came from an 11 year old."
Sound doesn't travel thru space (a vacuum) right... so how can you hear the big bang?
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I guess it just didn't know the words.
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So, tell me again how jet planes sound different in the middle of the night as opposed to, say, at 10 am?
And how do you verify what it sounded like. This seems like the jumped a few steps in the scientific method.
Even if sound can't travel through space due to the the sparse particles to set in motion... their should still be some particles set in motion after all they were created in pretty much the same instance as the sound itself were created...
I win. :)
This came up on the BBC Radio 4 interview with the scientist responsible, incidentally. I believe you can discover his response at the BBC website, assuming this is the interview that was broadcast this morning.
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So are we standing outside the universe to hear this sound, or are we in the vacuum of space?
Right.
AFAIK, the density of matter approached infinity as you went back to the moment of the big bang (since the volume approached 0.) I don't know how long it lasted, but for at least awhile there would have been enough density for sound to propagate.
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This is what, the fourth time this has been posted? Mod it down please.
I would never describe a jet plane passing over my house as a "hum".
I used to camp in an area where Air Force F-16's and A-10s would fly very low to approach a target range about 10 miles away. An F-16 sounds more like screeching, earth-shattering death at 100 feet than a "hum".
And if the afterburners are on, forget it. YUO = Temporarily deaf!
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Duh, of course it needs oxygen. How else would it breathe, let alone hum??
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What is amazing is that Prof. Cramer used only a 16 line Mathematica notebook to produce his simulation of the "sound of the Big Bang. This summary gives you more details on his work and his writings. You also can read his column, "BOOMERanG and the Sound of the Big Bang," It has been published in January 2001 and amended in September 2003.
Juat a WAG? (Wild Ass Guess?)
there is no way in hell you can get any data off of the actual event, all you can gather is the residual effects that are still lingering.
so this is what it's like now, 20 bajillion years later and we are trying to extroplate back to the event horizon based on a infentecimal amount of data.
great.
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Jesus fucking Christ! Stop it already you retards!
You won't? Well, let me get in the game then. Definition of sound is not "pressure variations in air". It is: "pressure variations in matter (solid, liquid or gaseous) interpreted by our ears and brain as sound". Nitpicky enough?
From the article:
From these variations, he could calculate the frequencies of the sound waves propagating through the Universe during its first 760,000 years, when it was just 18 million light years across. At that time the sound waves were too low in frequency to be audible. To hear them, Cramer had to scale the frequencies 100,000 billion billion times.
I don't get this (but then, this isn't my cup of tea either). If the universe started out as a small dot how can it be 18 million light years wide after only 780.000 years? Did it expand at a rate greater than the speed of light? I thought that was impossible...
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Off the point but: John Cramer is the author of one of the most intriguing interpretations of quantum mechanics. You can find the Reviews of Modern Physics reference in Carver Mead's (yes, that Carver Mead) Collective Electrodynamics, aka the book that made every ex-physicist in the Valley wish they still were...
How long will it take this to be sampled and appear in the charts? How much free publicity could be generated by "our latest single includes the start of the universe"?
And more to the point, how can the RIAA make more money out of it?
There was no big cluster of mass that exploded like a bomb. It is simply that space itself expanded, meaning that the shift to the red has increased for the light travelling between two disctinct points in the universe.
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In Yoga, the mantra "Om" (or Aum) is supposed to represent the sound the universe makes. The "vibration of life" as it were. Those old yogis were really ahead of their time! Ommmmmmmmmmm...
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Close but sound is a compression wave through some medium. It does not have to be air. It could be air as we commonly experience. It also could be water, iron, or any other element on the periodic table. in other words it is the compression and expansion of matter that is what we experience as sound.
Sound is what brain calls the netural signal that was picked up by a audio reciever that is listening in medium, normally air. The wave in air moves around 700 mph, in other mediums faster or slower.
1) Who was listening?
2) What was the medium at say 1 light year from "bang"?
3) Did the listener get killed because the light pulse got there first? Hence never hear the sound, so what sound?
4) Do bear use the woods as W.C.s?
By definition sound is pressure variations in air.
Not quite, sound can be pressure variations in any medium. For example, this is how whales communicate over distances of hundreds of miles - but producing sound in water.
No, the whole thing is misleading because of something else. Apparently the pressure waves in the early universe didn't have the right frequency to be heard at all - this is why Cramer decided to play them back faster than they actually were, thereby not only making them audible but also altering those waves to have qualities that they originally didn't have.
Cramer had to scale the frequencies 100,000 billion billion times.
You know, if you start playing around with frequencies, you could just as easily make a high ringing noise out of it all rather than a deep hum, it makes no difference because in both cases those are not the "original" sound waves anyway.
The soundwaves that were found are an impression of quantum scale energy fluctuations carried to earth by cosmic microwave background radiation. Scientists were able to measure the waves by looking at cosmic microwave background (CMB). These early soundwaves are thought to have created super and giant clusters of galaxies with their travel. The soundwaves are actually contained in primordial plasma. They are effectively overtones or harmonics of the big bang explosion that is said to have created the universe.
I did a story that posted on Kuro5hin some time back about this that goes into just a touch more detail about ramifications for this sound.
OK so as 50 people have already pointed out, sound can't exist in space because sound waves are vibrations and there are no air molecules in space for a 'sound' to vibrate, but has it occured to anyone else yet that there wasn't any space for this sound to exist in either?
If the big bang was the creation of the universe (aka everything), then it happened not in empty space, but in nothing so how is it even remotely meaningful to talk about the sound of the big bang when the event itself was (at the time) all that existed - there was nothing for it to make a sound into other than itself,
so what we're really talking about isn't the sound of the big bang at all but the frequency at which it is thought to have been resonnating? which that humming sound (I'd already heard it on Radio 4 when the Today programme ran this story this morning) doesn't really illustrate very well since our ears aren't sophisticated enough to hear 90% of it.
surely it would make more sense to look at a waveform diagram of this than turning it into a funny noise...
Uh...I don't know about you, but when I stick my head under water, I can still hear. There's no air, and I can only hear what vibrates through the water, but I can still hear. Jeez...I learned this in the bath tub when I was 5...
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There is nothing really philosophical about it. Hearing is what you do with your ears. Stating the big bang sounds like this is just crap. You can't tell what a "sound" which would let the (logarithmic) dB scale "explode" sounds like. (And remember how hypothetic all that is: there is no consent if there really was a big bang. Sure, steady state isn't too well supported among physicists, and the big bang is a great thing to talk about for those not really knowing much (I admit that I'm not too deep in the matter either).
But a physicists wants to attest a sound to a hypothetical event, happened 15 billion years ago, where there are still many unknown factors in the universe (think dominance of matter over anti-matter etc.) and far off the scale not only a human can hear but also what he can measure if he was there.
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I wonder what the sound of the dying server will be like? A bang or a hum?
How did the universe get 18 million light years across in just 760,000 years? Seems that something would have had to travel faster than light to get far away.
There is no sound in space. Slashdot told me so. Even though they all love star wars, which has lots of sound in space.
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I get your point, but what I don't get is why the frequency should be so low. Wouldn't it have to be unbelievably high? At the time of the big bang, the universe was a small fraction of the size of a proton, so any vibrations in the primordial soup at the time would have to have a wavelength even smaller than that, and hence a frequency with a value so great as to beggar the mind to even think about. If there was a sound wave whose wavelength was greater than the size of the universe at the time, wouldn't it eventually destructively interfere with itself, no matter what the topology of the universe as a whole was at the time?
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No one was there to listen to it, but we've proven it was a hum. Let alone, we've never proved that there was a big bang to begin with.
People will believe what they hear if they hear it over and over and over and over and over...
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They want to rename the start of the universe to the Big Hum? I don't see this name becoming popular.
I think thats pretty good...
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RTFA:
"From these variations, he could calculate the frequencies of the sound waves propagating through the Universe during its first 760,000 years, when it was just 18 million light years across."
Right after the big bang in astronomical time, not human time.
, 'The Big Bang sounded more like a deep hum than a bang, according to an analysis of the radiation left over from the cataclysm.
Kinda like on pork n' beans night when dad decided to let off one of his big ol' stinky farts. This is just silly to say the least.
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Can this be correct? If the universe was 760'000 years old and 18 million light years across that would mean that the matter was traveling over 10 times the speed of light. If it travelled at the speed of light surely it would only reach 760'000 light years in each direction. That doesnt add up to 18 million to me. Did i miss something?
The reason you can't hear sound in space is because it's almost a vacuum. Back around the time of the Big Bang, matter was packed much closer together and density was far higher. Much higher, for example, than the density of the Earth's atmosphere. So yes, sound vibrations could propagate around in the early universe.
All you people who keep complaining that 'You couldn't really hear a TIE Fighter like that!', or 'The Death Star couldn't really make a shockwave like that--it's in a vacuum!'--this is why.
After all, it was, "A long time ago..."
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This whole thing just smacks of 'pretty picture' science like that commonly practiced in astronomy. The idea being that science needs to produce meaningless crap that people can download to their computers, so they can think they're getting their money's worth (c.f. SETI@Home).
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FYI: Sound travels very effectively (in fact faster) through water or steel also. Lots of trolling and misinformation on this thread. May as well add my own...
Sound is generally defined as a compression wave through a medium, therefore any material capable of bearing a compression wave will transmit sound.
For example, you could imagine that the waves lapping up on the beach are sound. You just have to transpose them to a pitch high enough for human ears to detect.
I haven't read the details of the article yet, but based on similar stories I have read recently, I think the author is probably describing this kind of excercise, taking a wave propogation phenomena that we would not perceive as sound (remember lots of things beside sound are wavelike, e.g. the electromagnetic spectrum) and transposing or amplifying it into the range of human audiological sense.
Do a google for Fiorella Terenzi. She has done some really neat recordings based on transposing and manipulating audio data from astronomical sources.
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in the vacuum of space you can't hear a slashdotted server scream
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Remember the sound of the Universe is:
Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
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This is just taking energy fluctuations and "resampling" and scaling into the narrow band of frequencies (approx. 20Hz-20KHz) that we perceive as sound.
You can do this with anything--I wouldn't be surprised if some site somewhere lets you "hear" the Sun's recent plasma ejection.
This is not what you would have heard if you had "been there", folks.
This kind of pseudo-science is even more useless than the "what color is the universe" articles. I guess people love to be able to relate to hard-to-comprehend things with their senses.
Nothing to see here, folks, lets just move along and go back to our arguments about whether the universe is shaped like a donut or a soccer ball.
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Please stop downloading this material or the RIAA will be contacted. If that doesn't work, then the world will end in with plaques and fire.
Ooh, scary plaques.
Sorry.
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I have been known to pride myself on the useless information I know, and I dont know about you guys, but this is just stupid. You gotta wonder what kinda stuff could have ben done with that computing power and money...I wonder how much further cancer treatment couldve gone...but then again it is amazing to see what kind of BS someone can come up with when avoiding real work:-D
Here's an ogg format of the sound file:
http://tools.waglo.com/bigbang.ogg
Sound: jet engines
Distance: football fields
Mass: Volkswagons (a 16" gun can shoot a volkswagon 20 miles).
Amount of data: Number of Library of Congresses.
You know, all the copyrighted music in existence is really just variations on the original sound produced by the Big Bang. I say they ripped it off and that we can pira^H^H^H^Hshare all the music we want now.
The RIAA's lawyers are suing physicist John Cramer of the University of Washington in Seattle for violating their copyright.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
So if a universe suddenly springs into existence, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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We can debate the validity of sound in space, but keep in mind. This is not fact, yet. Scientific Fact is achieved only when enough scientists accept a theory constituting a large enough quorum as to make any opposing view appear to be of little significance.
There doesn't have to be any 'before' since time doesn't pass without space. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if the big bang was the culmination of a previous collapse of loads of matter into a single point. God doesn't have to necessarily be in this picture.. it's hard enough to do science without religion interfering.
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Both Richard Feynman and Albert Einstein were believers in such simplicity. Feynman believed that one never really understands a topic unless he can prepare a freshman lecture on it. Einstein, also in support of simplicity, said that one does not really understand something unless he can explain it to his grandmother. So "pretty picture" or not, it sounds like this reduction to simple terms is good for both the layman and the scientist alike.
As for SETI@Home, I can't think of very many better uses of CPU time. Even if your specific computer never finds a candidate signal, you know that your electricity is spent benefiting humanity instead of entertaining idle CPU calls.
Cheers,
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"Physicist John Cramer of the University of Washington in Seattle has created audio files of the event which can be played on a PC" The next time someone is talking about back when they were a kid and had to walk 10 miles up hill to school in the snow wearing ratty old worn out shoes.
I'll just reply with something like 'O yea? well this John Cramer guy was making audio recordings back when the universe was created..'
All of this high-fallutin' physics speculation makes my very happy, in that in keeps some very intelligent individuals gainfully employed as fizzisists, and our of the engineering job market.
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Setting aside for a second all the technical details about no sound in space, and speed of light and such, this is still an interesting concept- but not a new one at all.
One of my favorite passages in Tolkien's work is his story of the creation in The Silmarillion, where Middle Earth flows from the Music of the Ainur. As somebody else already posted, Aslan of C.S. Lewis's Narnia Chronicles sang Narnia into existence. And many Eastern religions have associated sound with creation. Even in Genesis (and later on in John) the creative force was the "Word of God".
I'll leave conclusions to the reader, but it does make one think- why do so many people (and now add some physicists) associate sound with the beginning of the Universe?
Have you noticed that as physicists gain more knowledge about the universe they always end up supporting what is written in the Bible ?
For example, Genesis 1:3 reads, "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." The Bibles says right there that God make a sound which created light and caused the universe to take form. If you read between the lines, John Cramer is saying the same thing!!
How will atheists explain this away!!?!?
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Ho hum...
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Drop that wave in an editing app and speed it up from 8kHz to 44.1kHz, and I swear it sounds exactly like a sound effect from your typical scifi flick.
Not that this clip sounds anything like an ohm. But it's a fun connection all the same.
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The less electricity your computer uses, the less coal the local plant has to burn, and the less pollutants in our atmosphere. That's a better 'use' than analyzing crap data from some quack psuedoscience, yes?
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The Buddhists were right!!
For those who may not know, the "AOM" sound that people make when they are meditating (you know, "a-ummmmmmm") is supposedly the sound the universe made when it was created.
Chalk one up for them, I suppose.
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in space noone can here you scream. So, a hum you say? no, don't hear it. (yes, theoretically it's not completely vaccuum especially back then, so of course it could have been one)
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so i assume then that it's now scientifically established that the big bang happened...
No, it's been scientifically accepted that the Big Bang happened. Scientists trust models that best explain experimental obeservation, and the Big Bang model has been doing pretty well.
well... what was there before it...
Time and space were created at the Big Bang, so your question doesn't make any sense. You may as well ask "What is North of the North Pole?"
and where does god come into the picture...
Anywhere you like. There are scientists who feel that the Big Bang was a divine act (i.e. "why" the Big Bang occurred is a philosophical question and believing that "God" created the universe via the Big Bang does not contradict the theory -- nor does it contradict one's faith).
Turns out the Universe just had a hummer.
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The real question... did the universe make a sound during the Big Bang if life had not yet formed to hear it?
The days of an idle CPU simply running endless NOP instructions went out with Windows 3.1 and the 80486.
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The universe originated from the biggest and best "hummer" of all time!
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First of all, this sound is based on observations of the microwave background radiation, which didn't come into existence until 300,000 years after the big bang. You will note that the article states "when it [the universe] was just 18 million light years across" Imagine beating a drum that big, and you'll see why the pitch is so low. So the big bang may or may not have been a "bang" but 300,000 years later, the sound made was a hum.
:) Some folks seem to be trying to detect it indirectly via the microwave background.
Really, the relevant signal to listen to is the background signal of gravitational waves. These actually correspond rather directly to (faint) sound waves, since they induce mechanical disturbances as they pass through matter. By now, of course, most of these will have stretched to the dimensions of the universe, and be more or less undetectable, even in principle. Some theories predict the existence of higher frequency waves going back to the first moments of the big bang. We can look forward to detecting some higher frequency waves in the next five to ten years, from the various interferometers coming online. This is serious science, and could provide insights into not only the origins of the universe, but also supernovae, and the dynamics of black holes and neutron stars. Not to mention curiosities that may occur unheralded. Something akin to the advent of radio astronomy may be in store for us.
There's also (presumably) a neutrino background, from about one second after the big bang. This will be very hard to detect, until we build a big sister to AMANDA covering icy orb, perhaps ganymede
Physicists are entitled to a little fun now and then, anyway. It also helps to bring cosmology a little closer to the general public. It certainly isn't as if this researcher had to get a peer reviewed grant of many thousands of dollars to produce such "trivial" results: he simply did some starightforward processing on data that was already available, quite possibly in his spare time on his own computer. Oh, and I would definitely classify this as more useful/pertinent then that (admittedly a bit silly) "color of the universe stuff"!
It is not the case that "any" sound can be created, or that there is no relationship to the original, when scaling by 100,000. Many (most) relationships are preserved in this sort of operation. Indeed, a familiar example would be to speed up or slow down normal speech; it remains understandable.
Science starts with the presumption of ignorance, and then proceeds to discover what the universe can tell us about itself. Many slashdotters could take a lesson from this.
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There arn't to many similarities for it to be beyond coinsidence, but there are enough similarities to make the atheistic position a simple preponderence of evidence, rather than an open-shut case. The spiritual/religious movement does have a decent point, so long as they put away a literal interpretation of their religious works as being incomplete renditions of what a primitive mind could understand of the truth thousands of years ago, not a verbatum transcript of the Truth.
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Except one would have to change a couple words. Because that's the way the world begins, not with a Bang, but with a Whimper.
Yup...
Yeah, maybe at Mach 1 Trillion. *bang*
If God role less relevant, why is the world getting so much worst off? I think the world is so bad off right now because of the decrease of faith in God.
Remember, start off by believing the earth is not flat and the sun (and everything else) does NOT go around the earth.
The catholics church tought that junk. If you didn't know, they didn't allow their following to read the Bible. When the King James release the first english translation of the Bible, the church told their fellow not to read it. The only problem
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What did the big bang smell like?
"4 parsics, close enough to smell them!" - Checkov
"Ensign, smells do not propagate through the vacuum of space" - Spock
For anyone keeping score, that's what Siddhartha Gautama was teaching 2500 years ago...
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The University of Washington's Nuclear Physics Laboratory's web site has received so much traffic from people trying to find the sound that it is unreachable. I was about to post it and supporting material on my web site, but thought better of it since no server on which I have space can really sustain the kind of traffic at issue. I can email people the sound, the Mathematica application and the supporting data. If you can't get through on the NPL site, email me at kec@panix, and I will send them to you. (John Cramer is my dad.)
Shouldn't that read: 'A 16" gun can shoot a Volkswagon 352 football fields'?
It was either a science fiction writer or a math proff who asked his son what to call 1x10 followed by a hundred zeros, his reply was "googol" Well I just looked it up in the dictionary and the term is credited to to American Mathematician Edward Kasner (1878-1955) but I did read about him asking his son (he may of been younger 5-6), and his son should have credit, like the 11 year old in this post.
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I'm sorry, but the RIAA won't let you listen to recordings of the big bang without buying the CD from them. If you missed the original concert, tough luck for you.
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For those interested in cool quirky profs, the guy is also a decent sci-fi author. For my part, though, reading a sex scene written by a prof I see around the department for is a bit odd.
So the Universe is basically a huge vibrator. That must mean [insert pr0n star or your mom here] is God!
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Interesting article about the sound of the Big Bang, but...
The writer has some numbers that doesn't add up: "From these variations, he could calculate the frequencies of the sound waves propagating through the Universe during its first 760,000 years, when it was just 18 million light years across."
Now, if I can calculate, after 760,000 years, the Universe would have a radi of 760,000 light years, not 9 million light years unless the expansion happened at a rate many, many, many times the speed of light (Which I honestly doubt!)
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It's a Big Hum now until they find out it was a Big Sneeze.
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1) Anything that lasts a finite amount of time creates an infinite frequency response.
2) Anything that creates a finite frequency response lasts a finite amount of time.
3) Nothing lasts forever.
4) Everything creates an infinite frequency response (hummmm).
Ok not quite a proof as #3 is of our perception, but you get the idea. Nothing special.
So if a giant ball containing all the matter of the universe explodes, and no one is there to hear it, it does in fact make a sound. Remember that.
Must get lunch now...
Madness takes its toll. Exact change please.
i've been looking for a good logical distinction between law and theory for a while -- this gives me good fodder for arguments with my misinformed creationist friends.
If all the matter in the universe hurtles out of a sigularity, and nobody is around to hear it...
Well, you know the rest.
Well, it _is_ a valid complaint. It makes about as much sense as wondering what the big bang smelled like (um... nevermind).
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I prefer a hummer to a bang anyway.
...www.npl.washington.edu made when we all hit it. It took quite a while for it to finally return a little html page replacing the .wav, telling where to get the actual file.
Scientists have discovered that moments before the "big hum" there was a brief mysterious reverberating sound that due to the wonders of modern technology can now be simulated.
The Big Bang was a Troll against catholic physicits pushing a scientifically viable theory to creationism: the primordial egg was proposed by a gesuit priest. Try reading E. J. Lerner's "The big bang never happened", it's a wonderful book and gives pretty sensible explanations to cosmological data; shame that no scientific institution wants to question the enstablishment... perhaps those that run the business built their careers on these theories?
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I fhte universe is created, and there's no one to hear it,
does it make sound?
I don't belive in the big bang, but it seems strange to me that they think it had any "sound" at all if, according to that theroy, there was no air to carry it.
I didn't do it! Unless I was supposed to do it. . . (hmm. .
Actually it should've been, "A 1/225-football-field gun can shoot a Volkswagon 352 football fields" since we're being pedantic.
"Well, there goes the neighborhood..."
-11-year-old boy
Given a choice between free speech and free beer, most people will take the beer.
It was probably an 11 year old that came up with the big bang theory in the first place!
Besides breaking fundamental laws of physics, the big bang can't be proven in a lab setting or any setting for that matter. Fah.
On the other hand "the sound something makes" is a different kettle of fish.
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It is interesting how the basis of macro evolution rests on a big bang, and now a big hum... both are sounds... In conjunction with the "Theory of Everything" (aka the Strings Theory) it seems like evolution itself may be an attempt at filling what was never a missing link. Am I the only one who thinks that evolution is merely an explination for the unexplainable? The fact that the hum itself could have originated reality period... that there was no macro evolution needed, merely micro. What everyone should really be thinking about is: Who hummed? everything else is documented history... people really need to remove thier blinders and acknoledge God for who he is and what role he played, and still plays. Science is the study of what God made, not the method needed to discredit him.
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Has anyone measured the movement, or are we counting on red-shift alone? There could be other explanations for a red shift, such as a flat tax or something which would reduce the energy in direct proportion to distance travelled. I've heard talk of cosmic respiration, but not seen any scientific treatment of the topic.
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Check out the Transactional Interpetation of Quantum Mechanics. Critiques of all the well known interpretations (CI, MWI) and others you may not have heard of.
You will not drink with us, but you would taste our steel? - Walter Matthau, The Pirates
...would it make a sound, and would anyone exist to hear it?
The question I'm trying to answer is:
What did the big bang *feel* like?
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Because it didn't have the worlds.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Stephen Hawking in A Brief History Of Time starts with the anecdote. A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a
public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant
tortoise."
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?"
"You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down."
(ripped off from http://www.the-funneled-web.com/hawking.htm)
Carthago delenda est!
I wonder what the first sound was.
I heard it. In BigBangSound_1.wav, you can hear God taking in a very deep breath (before he hummed the Universe out).
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Anyone else think of the THX sound before anything else?
Your brain is not a computer.
Er...no. A HLT instruction brings the CPU to a halt. It does not use any power. The gas is not being burned, the engine is off.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
The problem with this is that as the report says 'Giant sound waves propagated through the blazing hot matter that filled the Universe shortly after the Big Bang.' This means that the sound waves could have tried to 'escape' the infinitely curved universe and got reflected back. Now if most people remember their wave physics then when the raised part of a wave meets another raised part of a wave then it creates a bigger raised part of the wave. Similary so for the bottom parts of the wave. But when a raised part meets a bottom part the effect cancels itself out.
This recording of a deep hum sounding like 'a large jet plane flying 100 feet above your house in the middle of the night' is the probable reason for this sound i.e. the loud part is two raised parts of the wave, the bit where it sounds as though the 'plane' sound 'is directly over the house' is where a raised bit and a bottom bit meet and the last bit is were two bottom bits meet.
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But remember that the wave will be attenuated with each reflection, so this will only work for fairly low multiples of reflection.