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First Preview of GIMP 2.0 Ready for Testing
molnarcs writes "The first preview of GIMP-2.0 is available. It can be installed side-by-side with GIMP 1.2 - so there is no need to uninstall 1.2 to test it. According to this README, some parts (gimp-perl and GAP) were removed from the main package, and will be released as separate modules. Use the mirrors listed on the homepage to download the source code. (Also available for FreeBSD via ports)." Apparently the GIMP is finally adding CYMK support, for those of you working in the print world.
Does it allow me to copy money? I hear programs like this are in short supply. :)
-1, "1337" speak
...is will it let me print out scans of money?
Does anyone have any screenshots?
I guess they included a fully optional and expandable banknote detection system in order to compete with other leading graphical suites.
I want my karma, and I want it now!
I am happy to hear that there is a Gimp 2 on the horizon. PhotoShop is becoming a parody of itself and anything else (PSP, etc.) is not really up to snuff. Hooray.
"We are accountable for not only what we do, but also that which we don't do." -- Moliere
Does GIMP let me create currency ? It has recently come to my attention that i can no longer use adobe photoshop . .
-n
There's a screenshot of the GIMP 2.0pre1 for Mac users here.
http://tinyurl.com/4ny52
I like it..but GIMP always has been and still is quite lacking in the vector department. Combined with sodipodi, though, it's everything I could wish for.
.. is its User interface.
Until they fix that (ie., complete redesign), forget it. Its window bloody hell, a window for every freaking control nearly. What happened to the MDI model. Works great on Photoshop, until then, GUMP can suffer on userbase. GIMP is for fanboys only until then.
isn't it ironic .... Michael, the biggest gimp of them all, reporting on the Gimp!
Awesome! GIMP catches up with Photoshop 4.0
Hooray for the Open Source development model!
I haven't used image manipulation programs and would like to learn the basics. There are courses for Photoshop. Would it help me to take one of them?
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Having CMYK support is all fine and dandy but it won't get you far in the printing world without support for colour profiles and colour calibration. Linux sadly lags behind others (Windows, MacOS) in this area, and having Gimp support CMYK is like fitting racing wheels onto a horse and shoving it onto the Indycar track ...
Mod away...
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
:)
I thought it was, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets."
*slight crashing sound*
This will be modded to hell, but I don't care.
I realize GIMP is better than nothing, but its clunky, clumsy, and JASC paintshop pro for $40 seems a better deal overall.
Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
For anyone that hasn't tried it out, the interface is much improved. Great news since this is most peoples biggest gripe.
toolboxes are now dockable with the main toolbox, so you just have one toolbox window, and a window for the image. Also, the image window has a menu bar now.
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So, will there be a Windows version anytime soon for us Windows users (over half of ./), or are we stuck with the ancient 1.2.5? I would like to try it out, since the newer versions are said to have a less sucky UI making them actually usable, but the Windows port of the GIMP seems... dead.
(and no, don't even think about saying "upgrade to linux" or something similar - some of us have to stick with the platform, some of us simply prefer it, and in no way are you going to get people to switch to Linux because it is the only thing that runs the GIMP)
Though I can't verify it (all my old Photoshop floppies went bad some time ago), I'm pretty sure Photoshop had CMYK support (though I'm not sure about color profile support) pretty much from the get-go. But then again, it was (IIRC) _intended_ for print-publication use from day 1 as well...
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purr!
Gimp and Cinepaint should merge. Why not? The Cinepaint guys roadmap shows some items being pulled across from GIMP and development of new stuff that would certainly be welcome in GIMP. The main difference is Cinepaint was restructured to support the deeper color depths required by the studios. It seems to me that GIMP may actually have more active development going on. The fork just seems unfortunate to me - I suspect politics at work, which can't be productive.
Go to Easy Urpmi and add a Cooker contribs source if you don't have one already. Then type urpmi gimp1_3 and you're done.
God I hope I'm not going to be fired...
What happens if you try to copy money with Photoshop CS?
The reason I ask is, we just bought a $25,000 Canon color printer. It might print some fairly realistic -looking- money, but it wouldn't fool anyone if they touched it, even if they had the right paper.
Our copier salesperson told us a story, that sounded like an urban legend, it went like this:
"A few years back, we sold 5 color copiers to some Arab guys in the Detroit area. They paid for them in cash, didn't want a service contract, and wanted them delivered to some abandoned warehouse. At first our VP of sales didn't want to do it, but we stood to make so much money on the deal it wasn't funny. So we did it.
Apparently, they were using them to make counterfeit money! We talked to Canon and they have a anti-counterfeitting chip inside, where if you put a $20 bill on the glass, it will lock the machine up, and notify the local Secret Service office. A half an hour later, the feds are at your door!
In theory, wouldn't you be able to buy some real printing equipment for the price of a couple high-dollar color lasers?
I wanted to clarify one point from this slashdot posting: GIMP 2.0pre1 has plugin or two that can handle some CMYK functionality, but this is not the release that uses gegl, or the generic enhanced graphics library. GEGL is the project that will bring all the bells and whistles necessary for proper colorspace support.
http://tinyurl.com/4ny52
Will this bundle a somekind of currency image detector (US and EURO)? >:)
I fuse with Mercer every single day...
- Apparently the GIMP is finally adding CYMK support, for those of you working in the print world.
Whew! What with PhotoSTOP and all I wasn't sure how I could keep the boss happy with his funny money needs. Things sure work out in mysterious ways. Whew!-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
I've been using photoshop for about, eh . . . 2.5 years now. I'm currently using 6 on a Win 2K box here at work.
:)
It nice, but it can be an enormous resource hog. it also likes to occasionally lose all of the styles i've loaded or created myself.
anybody out there using both that can tell me how they differ in terms of performance or ease of use? photoshop can be damned cryptic sometimes.
also, i can read the specs all day, so if your answer is "RTFS" or "photoshop suXX0rz" then you can just shove it. I'm asking more about perceived differences.
i've got mandrake at home, so i COULD load it up there and play with it, but i HATE taking my work home. anyone using it on windows? don't flame me, i don't have a choice here
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The GIMP development version has had a completely new interface for a while now, so before complaining about non-existent annoyances, check your facts. With its innovative dockable palettes GIMP really sets the par above Photoshop and likes.
I'm not even going to explain how bad MDI is, there's a reason why MacOS applications (including Photoshop) don't have such thing. Get rid of the few MDI apps all together and learn to use virtual screens!
What's up with all the jokes about coping money? What'd I miss? :)
http://www.gnome.org/~drc/gimp-rpms/ - here you go...
Cheers.
At last, I can ask slashdot without being too off-topic! Gimp, like photoshop, is just too much for me -- I've recently made a full-time switch to Linux at home, and the one thing on my list of needed software is a SIMPLE photo editor (for fixing red-eye and not much else). I was pretty happy with PhotoImpression under Windows, but haven't found anything close to that level of simplicity under Linux. Anyone got any suggestions (preferably aside from Wine and Gimp) for something that runs well under Linux?
Here are some decent screenshots
-ghostis
Computer Science is all about trying to find the right wrench to bang in the right screw. -T.Cumbo?
It's an online book, best I've ever read on the GIMP. The instructions for how to retouch photos is fantastic. You can also buy a hardcopy.
Is there a Win32 binary (installer?) available for GIMP 2.0?
It's everyone's favourite gaping anus (not Michael!)
I mean, no sense making it airtight. What happens if one of Adobe's biggest clients came running to them bitching about this new "feature". They'd have to have some technical work-around to tell them. (At least they'd be sure they weren't counterfeiters)
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Here's the `winmpified' version of TheGimp 1.3 on XP: http://www.golem.de/screenshots/0310/gimp/gimp-win xp.png
I mean, how else could they "call the local Secret Service Office"... kinda hard to do if you let's say: ship it halfway across the country without the copier knowing.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
There ain't any Goatse links, asshole.
I'm a fan of window-in-window MDI, and any time I ask why it's not considered for interfaces in most Linux/UNIX apps, I'm told that
a) It's really bad.
and
b) Microsoft has stopped using it.
Can someone explain why it's so bad? Because it sure seems like a great way to associate windows and tools together into one cohesive group. The fact that MS does something is never a good enough reason for me to do something, that they stop doing something won't make me stop either.
I'd just like some clarity on why this interface is shunned - is it a technical problem preventing nested windows under X, as a random person told me in irc one day - or are there some hard-fact usability reasons?
Is there a version 2.0 for win32 ?
Yes I know this is slashdot, I really should be running linux. I like to play games okay ?, please don't make me hand in my slashdot id...
http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/
Anyone have news on when the 2.0 port to windows will be available? What is the average turn around time?
The image is the easy part. Getting your hands on the right kind of paper is what's tricky.
All's true that is mistrusted
We discuss here Gimp-2.0 remember?
The answer to the grand-parent - no win32 gimp-2.0 available yet - unless you compile it and debug it yourself :)
Less is more !
I use it, but not on Windows. In terms of performance, I use an old box for my web stuff and it's plenty responsive enough for me.
In terms of ease of use, it's quite a different interface, although it sounds like 2 can be made closer to PS in MDI/floating terms. I understand that many people *really* didn't like the original The GIMP design of 'all windows float so there', but I got used to it really quickly. The tools system is very similar, but the menus are set up completely differently. It's like switching between Windows and KDE for example: a competent user of either will find it frustrating for a while.
I'd say *really* strongly "try it" - not just for your own potential benefit, but because people like you can offer feedback to the project that is vital: if you believe in FOSS, use it and report back what you thought.
Justin.
You're only jealous cos the little penguins are talking to me.
Before i had actually switched to photoshop proper, i used to use some gimp and some psp and some his and some that.. but several things make me wish that photoshop were open source and available on linux and i have to think thrice abt switching back - cos i luv photoshop for these:
L AB/CMYK/RGB/Multichannel yes channels and yes LAB (4)gamut alert this colour can't be represented in CMYK (5)pantone colours? (6)argh can't remember offhand (8)oh yes did i mention shortcut keys? the ones that pop up my palettes (methinks freehand sucks at this) only when i want them? oh yes and the ones that make me forget that people actually use the tool palette :P (9)ah fullscreen mode always makes me like a pro :PP
(1)factory preset shortcut keys: these make sure I can be productive on just anybody's computer - esp useful when i have to fix someone else's artwork, though sad to say, i prefer to work on a PC 'cos Mac has its menu bar out of reach of the keyboard (2)more shortcut keys like space bar (temp switch to the "hand" tool), multiple ways to zooom in/out without needing to click on the zoom tool etc (3)filters,(quick)masks,paths(PS7),curves/levels,
yeah but i do have lotsa complaints too - (1)photoshop's a bit too dummy at times. where're all the DIP tools like 2D FFT and convolution matrix? (2)text on path. does Adobe not do this in PS so that they can sell you Illustrator as well? (3)Text - can't they store vector data as well so that on comps without those fonts i can still safely resize based on vector data? (4)sharks i can't nest layer groups (5)shit that drop shadow and inner glow effect i used on my layour didn't scale automatically when i resized that layer just now. (6)crap i need a 2-colour artwork that separates easily for my printer. gotta do it in illustrator again (7)the colour prints weird. oh no wonder it's CMYK artwork, gotta print it in Illustrator or Pagemaker. (8)can't i resize my canvas and not get my bitmap layers cropped??
ah well. sometimes i also wonder if Photoshop secretly aspires to be Illustrator. But that's a different thread altogether. i'm on PS7 btw. and ya, to add on to the other thread i read, there's colour profile, monitor calibration and PPD's too - but thankfully half of those are my printer's worries.
http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/WindowsInstall
It must suck to have to do everything by hand. I mean, even Photoshop has the semi-cool "Actions" feature.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
I don't know what you heard about me...
... which, if I remember correctly, is the last time I tried it and dumped it. I'll give it another shot when the v2 windows binary shows up.
Why can't any modern program be smart enough to figure out you've gone down the maze of menus to select the same option 600 times and then put a button for it some place reasonable or assign an automatic keyboard shortcut?
For what little PhotoShop-type work I need to get done, The GIMP does the job. I don't have any complaints for it. There was a bit of a learning curve, but now I can get to the commands I need fairly quickly.
What I really need now is some kind of Illustrator-killer. I miss the Vector-based graphics. And for the lettering stuff I do, the lack of Illustrator for Linux is a sore spot. Are there any vector-based graphics programs out there I'm missing that might help fill the gap?
-Augie
from the INSTALL notes ...
1) you need pk-config
2) you need GTK+ version 2.2.2
3) PangoFT2
4) libart2
Looks like you need a latest and greatest distro
or some slogging through the mud upgrade to get
up to speed.
rrrggghhh.
this the only crap i hate about linux.
I've been using 1.3 as my main graphics tool (on Solaris) for a good while now. Even when it was a little unstable it was worth the odd crash because it's so much nicer to use than 1.2. The interface is very different, simpler and more intuitive, paths are vastly improved, as is the text tool. Apart from that though, I've been a little disappointed at the lack of new features.
I understand the priority was the internal rewrite, so now that's done, fingers crossed that the developers will start giving us some nice new things to play with.
Having said that, let's get this clear: gimp is *not* a Photoshop replacement. In terms of functionality, it's just not in the same league. But what people forget is that PS is kind of like Word in that the core of it - the things everyone uses - was finished years ago. Now all they do is pile on more and more stuff that few of us will ever even learn.
If you make a living from graphics, you *need* Photoshop. If not, GIMP will serve you admirably, especially this new incarnation.
Did anybody else notice that the new file dialogue shown here:
http://scr.golem.de/?d=0310/gimp&p=7
includes a form for toilet paper? My god I love open source software!
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article, but have they finally put in adjustment layers?
-- the cake is a lie
perhaps they should just leave 'the gimp' in the the box, where it belongs.
Anyone know what the ETA is for Gimp 2.0 on Win32? Can't wait to get my hands on it.
Look at the grid ticks touching the label digits while there is ample space to move the label up.
Just a detail, sure, but it shows a lack of attention to $3.
As I say, I'll take a look, anyway...
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I think Gimp is great. Of course, I prefer Photoshop, but Gimp is definitely catching up in a big way.
The one thing that peeves me about Gimp, however, is the tool selection box. It's like 7 icons wide by 4 deep, which means you end up with a large box, rather than a taller slimmer one like in Photoshop. This causes problems when editing images, as with Photoshop you can shove your thin toolbar over to the side of the screen, but the Gimp one takes up valuable screen real estate. A totally customizable toolbar would be even better, of course, and make it better than PS!
One thing I would really really like is if the tool palette hotkeys were mapped to the same tools in the GIMP as they are in Photoshop. I do pretty much the same tasks with the GIMP as with PS6, it all depends on what OS I'm running at the time, but I hate hitting a key which gives me the right tool in Photoshop, but something completely different in the GIMP (having to focus the pallete window first is another, minor, gripe). Does anyone know if the GIMP's keymap has changed for 1.3/2.0? Or, alternately, are there directions anywhere on how to change this mapping? When I googled, all I could find talked about changing menu shortcuts. Any help is appreciated, thanks!
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adjustment layers Survey says: no. Various reviews I've read say there are no adjustment layers, and the adjustment layers bug has not been closed. Too bad.
I love gimp, but latey it seems to be falling farther and farther behind the windows alternatives, at least in the area of digital photography manipulation. Don't get me wrong, it can still do all the things that it needs (I think), but the ease of use and UI from programs such as photohop, elements, and even ms pictureit/digital image pro make it pale in comparision.
A couple of quick examples of things I'd like to see (which aren't in the last gimp 1.3.2x version I have installed):
- crop which dims the area outside the crop to give you a better feel of what the cropped image will look like
- a "straighten image" function like MS has in their product, where you simply click a line on the horizon (or whatever) and the image is rotated and cropped automagically
- auto-[levels,colors]
Though I'm not sure if the gimp needs this sort of functionality, or if a branch using it's libs for digital imaging (gimp-elements?) needs to be branched off and started.
I've done professional work with both Photoshop and GIMP and I believe they both have things to offer.
Difficulty aside, I don't think it is very realistic to say that people will be switching to GIMP anytime soon. Simply put, Photoshop is the culture of the Graphic Design world. You're also forgetting that there are products like Illustrator that are used just as much and integrate quite well with Photoshop. Sure, not much has been added lately to Photoshop, but maybe that's a sign that Photoshop pretty much has it right.
Photoshop has tons of books, courses, etc. Every office that does serious design uses it. Sure for your simple webpage, GIMP might do the job, but in a professional environment people need something with existing tools, support, namebrand, etc. We hear the same arguments regarding linux v. all the time.
I think many of the people on here have trouble negotiating the fact that if A is better than B, we should use A. That's not the real world.
There are plenty of compelling reasons to use both products as others have mentioned. No one is forcing you to use either. However to state that people wills switch to GIMP is an outright joke IMO.
I can't imagine the day I walk into a professional and skilled graphic designer's office and see them using GIMP. Face it, we might want everyone to use the best tools and run linux, etc but then there's the reality of doing business, working with others, and getting things done. Culture is so important in the workplace and incredibly hard to change, so tools like GIMP, OpenOffice, etc won't ever make a dent if they can't find good ways to become part of office culture.
There should really be a way to easily translate all menus in Gimp to various languages. But, I could not find any information on their homepage. Any tips?
You mean, "A local news station here did a story on this very phenomenon about a year ago." "Phenomena" is the plural of "phenomenon."
if you ever want to get well into digital photography where you print out your own photos on your photo printer, calibration is a must have if you have at least a passing demand of accuracy and quality.
You will never get your printed output to look exactly like whats on your screen without profiling. In many cases, the colors may be quite off because of variations in screens, video drivers, printer ink, printer paper, printer drivers etc.
Then again, I doubt any modern USB 2.0 photo printer is supported on any non OSX or windows system so perhaps the whole idea of printing in general doesn't get much attention from the gimp team.
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Script-Fu seems to have been in limbo for quite a while. Personally I feel Scheme is just to alient for most hobby programmers. Not to mention the tons of dead scripts due to version incompatabilities. Perl-Fu seems to have never gotten off the ground. It would be nice if someone would develop a Javascript like interface language. I'd bet the intersection of graphics app users and web developers is pretty big.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
So they took out the perl bindings. The reason (as I understand it) why there's no working gimp-perl under Win32 is that the bindings don't work right in that environment. Are they changing the way it works so that it's more Win32-friendly? Or just taking out something that not enough people used?
Yo dawg, I heard you like the Ackermann function, so OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD
I got this bad boy running pretty quickly after I heard the news, and I've been experimenting... but, alas, I've got a few big gripes about Gimp 2.0. 1) That toolbar is rediculous (i'm referring to the one where you select tools... i know "toolbar" could technically mean a number of different UI aspects). The fact that the items are arranged in a more square-like grid instead of something resembling the PS column means that you have to move your eyes back and forth to find the tool you want, rather than shooting down the list with one quick nod. All those different shape rotations as individual tools? I use Photoshop frequently thoughout my week and I only have to use those once in a while (but when I do use one, w/ the exception of transform, I usually use the rest of them too). So a) do they really need to be a tool thing and not just a right-click thing? and b) any particular reason why they're not made into one button where you click-and-hold for various other options? 2) The selection arrow. It just makes sense, visually. 3) Gimp seems to be very slooow. I'm running a P4 2.4 Ghz, 512 RAM and editing a measly 32 MB picture causes some lag unheard of with photoshop. That's all I have to say for now. Nonetheless, i'm going to try to use it until it makes sense.
The GIMP has been around a long time, but it's just now bumping against 2.0. In contrast, my company has product younger than two years old which are already hitting 2.3, and will go to 3.0 in a few months.
At least with our products, and I'm sure many other commercial products as well, major version number changes are used to indicate large-scale changes to the infrastructure. In the case of our 7.0 product, our entire rendering infrastructure has been rearchitected. We don't bump the version willy-nilly, and we don't have a competitor with whom to play "version tag" or anything like that.
So what's with free software? Most free software projects never bump past the 0.99 mark, and hardly any ever pass 2.0. KDE and GCC being prime counterexamples. However, this doesn't mean that major development doesn't go on! Things are constantly being redone -- even rewritten entirely -- and yet these major changes come with only a slight version change, say from 1.2 to 1.4 or something like that.
My question is, why not use version numbers more vigorously, as a way to actually indicate the degree of change from the previous version? A few bug fixes shouldn't take a project from 1.8 to 2.0... Nor should a major rewrite of a vital portion of the code only bump it from 1.8 to 1.9.
Anyway, why the difference?
The standard "This is not a Troll" disclaimer applies here.
I keep hearing and reading about how great the GIMP is, but I've yet to see any online galleries of GIMP made stuff that looks really professional.
Most of what I found is either very basic like a fuzzy edged Tux, or some simple text effects and gradients or art that looks it was made in Deluxe Paint in an Amiga circa 1990.
For all the junk talked about Corel Draw in the professional graphics world, Corel backed up their product with some amazing world class galleries and showcases or Corel generated art. Is there any really good collections of "Made with GIMP" art in the web?
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That's CMYK, dear /. editors, not CYMK. :)
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[Support for other color spaces] won't get you far in the printing world without support for colour profiles and colour calibration.
We're still waiting for the patents on efficient, accurate color calibration and conversion, such as the PANTONE patents, to expire. Just be glad that nothing like the Cher Act has passed.
its still a bit of a voodoo science to get the colors "just right", even with OSX and windows, but canon for example distributes its own photo print tool that uses canon provided profiles (based on their OEM paper and ink).
You still need some sort of monitor calibrator though to get the right colors. This can be as simple as the adobe gamma software, or the more accurate colorimeter packages which come with a sensor that suction cups to the monitor.
I just can't take a photo editting package seriously if it doesn't have at least some support for color profiles. Joe Point n' shoot might not use them, but Joe Point n' shoot doesn't use Linux either.
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hehe hehe gimp. I like that. GIMP! Hey GIMP! hehe hehe or is that gimPEE!
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Am I seeing this correctly? (screenshot #6 Does The GIMP 2.0 support SVG? HALLELUJAH!!! That's fantastic! I Googled around and found this article (translated from German).
This is wonderful, but a bit strange. I once inquired around about why The GIMP was so lacking in vector art tools. Why wasn't there a tool for making basic shapes, for instance? The answer I found (by Googling around) was that The GIMP is based on the old Unix philosphy, which focuses on small, reusable components. Designing in this way made components highly portable, and separated the work of creating a GUI from the core work. The GIMP did not support vector art because that was the job of a vector art authoring tool. The GIMP was a rastor image manipulation tool. This answer didn't satisfy me, because the GIMP itself is a huge conglomerate of tools, some of which are hardly related. The GIMP is the GUI wrapper which coordinates all of the little components (which are individually accessible through script-fu). So why insist that it was only for rastor image manipulations?
OpenOffice.org Draw can import/export SVG, but I don't like the interface very well. I prefer the spartan interface of a text editor for SVG. :) But I'd be willing ot try a GIMP tool.
There was a GNU project (which apparently failed) that was trying to create a vector art authoring tool. I can't remember the name of it.
Are there photoshop-like skins for it? I'm sure that would go a long way to mass-adoption as we're all too lazy to learn new things. Afterall, KDE/Gnome have no problem looking like Windows.
The GIMP is as byzantine a program as has ever been written. Features are haphazardly stuffed into menus anywhere they can be made to fit. File management is a horror, with stale motif-like file manager widgets that lack sensible defaults, and don't remember where you are. And that's just for starters. Using The GIMP is not just a matter of being accustomed to something else. It's just plain diffcult, nonintuitive, an example of lousy GUI design. I can only hope the new version is better.
The problem with MDI is that it seems like it's got a bunch of windows when it really doesn't (they're just inner-windows). The best solution (the one the GIMP supports well and is often used under X) is to use virtual desktops. This allows the user to group windows from different applications, move them between desktops, etc.
Tabbed interfaces suffer from the same problem, but since they actually save quite a bit of resources, they're actually very helpful on slower machines.
I was just looking at this stuff yesterday. Feel free to google for "MDI virtual desktops" or "application tabs window manager tabs" and such. Many of the people working on Mozilla had quite a bit to say against a tabbed web browesr...
True story.
So please, give it a try before you bitch about it.
The latest version of the GIMP available for Microsoft Windows operating systems is a 1.2.x.
And yes, I have given Linux a try, so per your comment, I assume that I likely have the right to female-dog. Last time I tried to install Mandrake (9.2 RC1), I couldn't get it to start X with my Radeon 9000 video card. When I selected Radeon in the installer's list of video cards and clicked Test, it "couldn't find a usable mode" or something like that). I don't feel Linux is worth running unaccelerated in 640x480 pixels with 16 colors (VGA driver). Should I wait for the next Knoppix to include this version of the GIMP?
Will Knoppix, SuSE, Gentoo, or FreeBSD be able to read and write my NTFS C: drive safely, to draw to my ATI Radeon 9000 video card (which Mandrake's installer couldn't handle properly) with 2D acceleration (so I don't see menus painting pixel by pixel), or to read images from my SANE-unsupported Microtek Scanmaker 4850 scanner that I received as a gift?
I think perhaps you should go and read up on what an OS is.
The word "operating system" means more than just a kernel. As commonly used, it includes at least the window system, which ideally should support color management.
For logo design, you'll probably need a vector program. Does GIMP integrate with Sketch the way Photoshop integrates with Illustrator?
For logo design, you'll probably need support for PANTONE colors, which are patented.
where're all the DIP tools like 2D FFT and convolution matrix?
I agree. After having done some of that 2D FFT crack in a college image manipulation course that used MATLAB, I want some more in GIMP as well.
Text - can't they store vector data as well so that on comps without those fonts i can still safely resize based on vector data?
In theory, Photoshop could turn text outlines into an Illustrator vector layer, but it'd probably violate many font packages' EULAs. Vector data is copyrighted, and an embedding license (for use in e.g. PDFs) often costs extra. Remember that in this case, Adobe sells licenses for both programs and fonts, making it as schizophrenic as Sony Electronics vs. Sony Music.
I chatted with a counter guy at a coffee shop the afternoon after they'd taken a counterfeit $20 and discovered it later. He showed it to me, and, yes, it sucked, but I could see how if you were slapping out drinks with a line out the door you'd just look at the denomination and drop it in the till.
"Good enough" is the point of counterfeiting, and there are lots of ways to offset the difficulties of obtaining good paper or getting the colors exactly right by trying to spend it in places with uneven lighting and rushed staff.
Handy because I've always preferred '+' over '=' as the zoom in key.
I learned GIMP on a laptop, where + requires a shift key and - doesn't. Still, I have changed a few GIMP key bindings myself to give GIMP and Cool Edit (Audacity isn't there yet) similar shortcuts.
A home inkjet printer can see only about 50 to 100 scanlines of the image at once. How do you expect it to spot banknotes in all rotations?
> With its innovative dockable palettes GIMP really sets the par above Photoshop and likes.
Uhhhhhhhhhh.. these "innovative" palettes have been around since Photoshop 3.0.. I beleive it was Aldus who first implemented it in PageMaker; Adobe later bought Aldus (and sold off FreeHand, since it competeted with Adobe's own Illustrator)
stop whining
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I have been playing around with Gimp 1.2 and tried v2 last night (I like it much better than 1.2). With both programs (without a plugin)you are out of luck if you committ your text to a picture. You can't edit it or move it later. Thats probably the most frustrating thing I have when working with the Gimp. What are your thoughts on this?
Have they finally put a circle around the brush pointer to tell you how big the brush is and where exactly it's drawing at?
And have they finally removed that rediculous brush size limit?
Both of which should have been done from the start.
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It's CMYK, Cyan Magenta, Yellow and K=Black, as not to be confused out of the 16 primary colors with Blue.
They are the interopposites of RGB Red Green Blue which is on the light scale, not the print scale. If you point a blue light at a green light, you get Cyan, and on and on and on. When RGB all point at each other, you should have white, and if CMYK point at each other you should have black. The black that is ut in there is a bit of a cheater, if you don't add K, you get a muddy brown, and that wouldn't look good for print, so they throw in black because they can.
if you have ever used photoshop on a mac you would understand why the gimp does what it does. MDI is a sick joke in the usability world.
I've managed to figure out almost every UseNet acronym I've ever seen with just a bit of contextual hint. This one, however, has baffled me for years.
Just what is HTH?
Thx from a puzzled geek who really should know better.
I don't quite get your last point about mozilla.
I mean, last time I checked mozilla firebird does support tabs. The advantages are obvious.
I thought it was, "If you can't dazzle them with dexterity, baffle them with bullshit."
to say that colour matching *should* be part of the OS is overstating the importance just a tad.
In a graphics system whose requirements include displaying accurate color across all makes and models of applications, where lies the responsibility to handle various color spaces?
does anybody have pointers to any real discussion about the new features in this release? This slashdot discussion is nothing but "interface sux" and "I'm not moving from photoshop until gimp does x" crap...
That "intuition" you think was free, was actually forced on you over at least 5 years of training, during which you were confused, hungry, scared, tired, and working for free. Then you entered kindergarten, and the real work started - training your classmates. All these GUIs are less intuitive than say, peeling a banana. As for the intuitive PS GUI, "it's intuitive, once you know how".
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How do I draw straight lines, squares, and rectangles?
That sounds silly, but I haven't been able to figure it out. I've discovered that you can hold down shift to draw straight lines, but that only works when you're already drawing... not much help for starting a line.
Why is this relevant to the discussion?... well, either I'm an idiot, or it's an example of where The GIMP doesn't quite cut it on the interface front...
I look forward to trying version 2, though.
There is first party (I assume unsupported) virtual desktop action for those on Windows XP. It's the MSVDM, and it give you four desktops, with hotkeys, and different desktops, and shared or not shared space on the taskbar.
read the other replies and mod this the rest of the way up.
I find The GIMP (and other OSS packages) to be much more powerful and much more flexible than their commerical counterparts.
I also find The GIMP (and other OSS packages) to involve more learning curve than their commercial counterparts. More quirky, too.
For me, the power, flexibility and price are worth the learning curve. Besides, I like to learn!
Monday, I was speaking with a friend that created our website for the company we work for. He was complaining that MSPaint was a horrible tool for editing web graphics, but the company wouldn't pay for adoobie pornoshop. I demonstrated The GIMP (windows version) for him, gave him a copy of the executable, and invited him to use it.
The description I used was "Free, Powerful, and kinda hokey." I believe that's accurate for most OSS.
No, I didn't give him a copy of the source. So, I guess I'm in violation of GPL. If he wants it, he knows where to get it.
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With MDI you have a Z-Axis. Keep the sub windows maximized and ctrl-tab or ctrl-shift-tab between windows. The tools stay in the same location and have a key, like tab, that hides the tools occasionally.
What gimp really needs is something like expose.
Does it allow use of Photoshop compatible filters yet?
Interesting point, although personally I have a passionate dislike of MDI. Here is a window manager that preserves windows Z orders and has a task swiching mode that, for some, apparently beats Expose. Using this may meet your objectives without using MDI.
the coolest thing about the gimp, and the thing that i wish ALL applications did is this:
if you go to the menu amd highlight an option you can press a key combination (say ctrl+alt+b) and it automagically assigsns the key combo. you don't have to go to some stupid settings screen.
that is just about the coolest thing ever.
Whilst you can create art with it, its generally used for photo-editing and any gallery is a tribute to the photographer and not the tools.
Some of corels demo stuff was very impressive, but i doubt there's much that can be done in PS that cant be done in GIMP, but personally i think PS is a more productive tool.
I see you constantly bitching about how terrible open source is without contributing anything positive. But then again, your pure hatred of anything open source seems to have blinded you to the fact that the knife cuts both ways.
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Go google for some of the Mozilla developers' comments against supporting tabs, they're not hard to find. Their points are very valid under X11 but they do not make sense under Windows (I think I forgot to mention this before).
Yes the advantages of a tabbed browser are obvious, but the problem is already solved under UNIX with virtual desktops. There is no need for tabs within the browser except for the one I described in my earlier post. The Mozilla team is thus duplicating work and introducing inconsistency to the so-called Linux desktop.
True story.
My point is that MDI already implemented by top-level windows. There should be no distinction between inner and top-level windows. This is why virtual desktops make more sense than MDI and tabbed interfaces in almost all cases.
True story.
GIMP's main target is Joe Point and Shoot? It seems a bit too complex to be targetted at them. That and the fact windows isn't supported yet...
But without profiles, its simply not useful for anyone else, much less graphics professionals or even semi-amateurs who may, at some point, want accurate reproductions of their work. A properly calibrated monitor (and software that can recognize it) is essential to anything thats non-toy graphics work.
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I also like not being left in doubt as to an author's opinion, and there are no lingering questions here. (-:
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
I am not aware of patents covering the CMYK->RGB conversion. There may be some patents about the RGB->CMYK conversion because it is not always easy to find the best way to generate the right amount of K (black), but even for this case I am not sure that any valid and relevant patents exist in that area.
As a software developer, it is better to ignore patents anyway: do not waste your time checking if an area is covered by patents, unless your lawyer tells you explicitely that some patents cannot be ignored. There are many reasons for that:
So I doubt that there are any patents in this area that would prevent the GIMP from having a good CMYK support. And even if there are any, then I will not actively look for them and please do not tell me about them.
-Raphaël
It looks interesting. But, if I were to switch window managers I would want something that could have a giant virtual desktop that I could scale, in fine increments, to fit my screen. So, if my windows were taking up 100% of my screen i could zoom out, say to 90% giving me 10% more work area. Slashdot really needs a scribbler inline with the posts. If each message could get a 4 kilobyte black and white drawing surface to illustrate ideas that would ROCK.
=D> The windows version of GIMP 2.0 pre 1, I founded at: http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/gimp/unstable.html So, windows users, try and buy! :D
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