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Shatner May Return to Star Trek (Briefly?)
mfh writes "Apparently, William Shatner may return to Star Trek, after talks with studio executives for a cameo on the fourth season of Star Trek: Enterprise. Rick Berman did not disclose which role wants Shatner play, although I'm sure we'd all love to see Captain James Tiberius Kirk again, right?"
No.
I... don't know if... this... is a good... idea!
-Dizzle
"I most likely AM so interested in myself."
Wouldn't Shatner be just a little old to play Kirk in the "Enterprise" era?
-- Alastair
I thought today after Y2K, why do we need to be reminded of the 1960's?
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IMHO the new Star Trek, as of late, has fallen into an old formula that is fast making me lose interest.
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Bringing back James Kirk could breathe new life back into the series: after all, that's how it all started. Even just William Shatner playing someone else might do the trick.
We need old blood more than new blood.
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Is he going to have the same speech style, even if he doesn't become Kirk? "Hello. -pause- I am a cameo. -pause- "
How much would *you* pay to see him on Star Trek again?
If anything, he should play Kirk's great (great?) grandfather or however it works out...
although I'm sure we'd all love to see Captain James Tiberius Kirk again, right?"
As much as I'd like to see my grandma appear on new episodes of Baywatch...
Live in your skin. Keep changing the scenery.
No.
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
I THINK ... that ... this ... MAY ... be ... a ... bad idea!
You don't know? He will be playing Kirk's grandfather.
He should be T.J. Hooker. Space Cop
You know that there are too many links in a article when they link to Captain Kirk. This is /. for crying out loud!
How about if they tried to get the crew of DS9 + TOS + Enterprise in something like Trial And Tribulations? OK it would be overkill but would make for a classic episode
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Don't they know anything? Nothing pisses off a geek more than errors in continuity...
...bug the hell out of me.
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It will be intresting to see what role they get him to play, and how they work it in. As Shatner is to Startrek as Bill Gates is to home computers.
I'm all for it, so long as he sits on a stool and sings some lame ass song about how to best go about finding inexpensive airfare.
Oh, wait...
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RIP Deforest Kelley.
He may not be the best actor, but I always thought he did ok in Star Trek. He seems like a duck out of water in anything else. I'm sure he would want his retiring role to be Star Trek instead of commercials. ...now if they could only get Nimoy.
Why bring back Kirk when you could bring back evil mirror kirk.
And quasi-evil goati wearing evil spock too!
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Almost identical to the first and second posts, and yet this is the one that gets modded up. *Head Explodes*
Making the moon less necessary since 1998.
How pathetic. Enterprise needs more than Shatner to get back on track. Some real plot with real writers would be a good start.
Formulaic, cliched and low brow. That ain't the Trek that I remember.Let's face it - Shatner would do just about any gig going.
Berman and Braga should just step aside and leave the job to real science fiction writers who know their Trek universe. They should Lleave gracefully before they're carried out.
"No, sir, he's really just 18 - distortions in the space-time continuum have made dashing young Kirk look old and chubby and act like a condescending travel spokesman."
...but not on Star Trek. He's one of the regulars on next season's "Fleet Street" on ABC, a spinoff of "The Practice." I was never much for courtroom dramas, but I tuned in to see Shatner's guest role toward the end of the just-concluded season -- and kept tuning in week after week until the end. His role on that show must have been written with him in mind; it fits his acting style absolutely perfectly, and it's funny as hell. (James Spader and Rebecca de Mornay aren't bad either.) If "Fleet Street" can maintain anywhere near the goofiness and energy level of the last several "Practice" episodes, it'll be a must-see, and a few years from now it'll be what anyone under 20 thinks of when the name William Shatner comes up.
No offence to the older generation who reads slashdot but I am getting a little tired of being constantly reminded of the baby boomer generation (those people who could leave high school and almost be guaranteed a job that would put bread on the table, today going through colledge/university can't even do that). To be reminded of the Baby Boomers hedonistic glory days of free love, drugs and peace to all gets a tad revolting.
Wasn't Shatner who told a bunch of Trekie fanatics to "get a life"?
ZombieEngineer
How about a season where the crew of the Enterprise are plummeted into an alternative reality where all the crap writing that went on before this episode is forgotten?
the magical and always convenient thing called Time Travel... But for Kirk, that's quite a ways into the future.
I know you are psychotic, but please make an effort.
Get Leonard Nimoy to direct the episode.
Shatner can play Kirk's great-grandfather...
He doesnt have to be the young sex symbol anymore, he can be an old space dog.
Well, he needs the work since he was fired from Priceline.com.
The fact that he's found new work so quickly is a sure sign that the economy really is on the rebound...
It just hasn't stopped moving yet
Okay this is kind of off topic but anyway... My impression of STTNG was that it was pretty modern but then recently started watching it more frequently ever since getting a Tivo. I then realize that the first episode of STTNG came around 16 years ago! I look at many of the early episodes and it just looks so odd. There are people with afro hair cuts and women in short-short skirts like in The Original Star Trek. Geordi is not even the chief engineer... there are all these "nobodys" in engineering. The comm signal is the whistling note from the original. The computer special effects are still primitive since computers are still not prominent. It just looks so out of place compare to the more recent episodes that we see more often. Anyone get the same impression?
They need to replace the entire cast (sans T'Pol of course) with new actors.
I originally thought that Scott Bacula would make a good captian, but he doesn't. All his dialogue seems forced. The first officer is even more annoying; he's a terrible actor and the character doesn't help him out any being a country bumpkin mechanic/first officer/chief engineer.
They could probably get away with holding on to some of the of the cast, but they need to change the characters quite a bit. The crew of the ship is supposed to be like a Navy ship, that's what the heirarchy is supposed to mirror. These characters are so unprofessional that they would all be kicked out of the Navy in a moment. Now, I know it's the future and everything is all roses but c'mon..
In The Next Generation, the crew was definately more loose then the US navy, but you definately had more of a feel of the chain of command and the characters behaved like the officers they were.
I'm just not interested in these characters. They have very little depth. You don't feel as though you know them at all, even after a few years of being on the air.
Maybe I just miss the Picard/Riker duo. Or maybe it's because ever since UPN took over Star Trek it just hasn't been good. Voyager wasn't that good, and neither is this one. It also doesn't help that UPN puts in commercials every 4 minutes. TNG and DS9 were both very good shows, from the pre-UPN era.
Oh well. They will just never be able to bring back the quality and popularity of TNG. TNG was once the most popular TV show on the planet; Enterprise does all it can do just to stay on the air.
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Come on, guys! What plot mechanism is ST most known for running into the ground? Time Travel. James T. Kirk can come back to STE from waaaaay in the future. There doesn't have to be any continuity problems. ... I wonder if Joan Collins is available?
I'm sure we'd all love to see Captain James Tiberius Kirk again, right?
Yeah, about as much as we'd all love to see 60s-style Apollo capsules again.
They already brought him back (using old Star Trek clips) on an episode of DS9 where they go back in time to the "Star Trek" era to deal with some rogue time traveller that wanted to kill Kirk or something. Been there, done that!! :P
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God would I love to see an Enterprise Ep with Q in it! I LOVE that character! Maybe the real reason behind the cold war is that the continuem is getting antsy that us mere humans are starting to entroch on there territory, though that would be silly because all Q would have to do is wave his had and then we never would have exsisted, (unless of course Q wants to see Humans become on par with the continuem, err soo much to look into!)
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Bring back Q! Is there a petition I can sign somewhere???
Please don't bring him back - don't get me wrong, Kirk was good in the original enterprise but for show that is seeking new funding to survive past the next half of season four and is competing with all those zillion reality shows - the last thing we need is Shatner giving yet another re-rendition of a character that he theoretically should be too old to play.
Enterprise is my favorite star trek franchise series don't mess it up please !
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will be the voice over for the Captain's dog. Now we can find out what that mutt is thinking. I am sure we would all like to know...
I know you are psychotic, but please make an effort.
I can think of a few things more annoying than someone doing something "wrong" in a fictional world.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
I looked long and hard for Shatner, but i got nuthin'! Cheap skate.
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Shatner's character's wife dies after drowning in a pool after apparently drinking too much champagne. Shatner keeps a low profile for a couple weeks, figuring that having his friends (played by Leonard and DeForest) drive him down the 405 in a prototype Prius with full police escort would attract the wrong kind of attention. Shatner's patience pays off as he is hired by a business method patent whore to become the spokesman for a "dot solar system". Shatner's character goes on to star in a series of the commercials as the company avoids becoming one of a myriad of "dot black holes" that leave hundreds of thousands of engineers unemployed, attending angry meetings of Open Antimatter User Groups, and seeing their jobs outsourced to Romulus.
he's still got the "KHAAN!" in him! that will never die!!!
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but his acting was pretty good on The Practice, despite the ad nauseam "Denny Crane" bit. He's quite good in that courtroom. Then again, he's played lawyers before (Judgment at Nuremberg, "Owen Marshall, Counselor at Law", "For the People").
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I agree with you about 99% of the things you said, but personally I don't like T'pol as a character at all! a Vulcan addict sex fiend?! I just don't get it. IMHO, whoever decided to make the sexy character be vulcan was a big mistake...it spits on the legacy of Spock etc!
Also, personally, I like Phlox a lot...other than him (and Tpol when she's not snorting crystals or applying "vulcan nerve pressure" (BAH)) all the characters are just boring, badly acted stereotypes. Hoshi isn't terrible actually, but she has so few parts.
This series jumped the shark on the pilot episode. The rancid violation of Star Trek canon rampant through this series (i.e.: Romulan Cloaking Devices, The Borg, physical appearance of the Klingons) have completely killed this series, because nothing makes sense anymore. I refuse to watch it, I wish it would get cancelled, and I don't know if I'll ever watch anything having to do with Star Trek again while it's in the hands of CBS. The whole franchise has been going on a progressively downward trend in terms of creative ideas since about halfway through ST:Voyager.
I thought he'd finally gone senile and we'd never hear from him again.
Damn.
The story is obvious.
Grand Admiral Kirk will be commanding a join fleet of the Federation & their allies (Klingon, Romulan and Cardassian empires) in the last final battle against Borgs.
After the battle ends, whole alliance will face the futility.
There you are, staring at me again.
They could probably get away with holding on to some of the of the cast, but they need to change the characters quite a bit. The crew of the ship is supposed to be like a Navy ship, that's what the heirarchy is supposed to mirror. These characters are so unprofessional that they would all be kicked out of the Navy in a moment. Now, I know it's the future and everything is all roses but c'mon..
Think of them as more like the the army air force test pilots. Ever seen "the right stuff"? Those guys were a little loose. They did things like stealing planes without clearance, just to prove they had balls. The "marines" stationed onboard seem a little more lashed down.
At least, I can give them that bit of leeway. I think the show is still pushing suckage.
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What is this I am seeing?!?
We're talking about Star Trek and you're all complaining about the quality of the acting?!?
Ohhh the irony!!!
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He can reach out to 'normal' reality whenever and wherever he wants. Pecard probably created the 'Kirk' who left the NEXIS with him at the climax of Movie 7.
Or maybe a hemerhoid.
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Looking ahead to what we can all now confidently say is going to be ENTERPRISE's fourth season.
Season one, two three.... um, shoot. What comes after three?
Five?
But Best of Both worlds spanned seasons three and... um.... four?
Ok, let's go ask Trekweb.
(yes it's sarcastic, I know it's referring to the possible cancellation.)
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I don't think Shatner's been much good at anything since his wife died. Frankly, I don't blame him... if my wife died, I'd probably be a bit aimless as well.
All of that said, Shatner's milked the Star Trek thing long enough. Milking a role 10 years after a show ends might be ok for awhile, but the original Star Trek has been gone for a LONG time. The Johnny Carson show was as good as Star Trek, but you don't see Carson showing up everytime someone opens the curtains.
He's had a full life - he should stop embarrassing himself. There's nothing unique about a 1-role actor. He's a nice guy, but really... bury the role, and try something else.
You can't look at TNG/DS9 and tell me there are no decent actors! Picard in TNG for instance. In DS9, Quark, Odo, hell, I can't tihnk of any of the regulars that I would call bad. Sure, there is bad acting, but compared to enterprise, they're all thespians of the year (and you'll note I'm ignoring TOS! ;)
I haven't really ever watched a Voyager episode that I enjoyed. I quickly gave up on it. I've yet to watch an Enterprise episode. Just kind of lost interest due to Voyager. It was kind of a touchy-feely politically correct show rather than the frequent examination of philosophical problems that came up in the earlier Treks.
I did generally like TNG and DS9, though. Never watched much of The Original Trek.
I don't really understand why people get so rabid about Star Trek in general, though. It's reasonably fun to watch, yes. It elevates the status of science (well, at least pseudoscience, but one can generally put a plausible interpretation on things) and engineering, which is not very common in the media. There was some good acting -- I really do like Patrick Stewart. The makeup is *very* good. It's interesting to see positive predictions about the future -- a *lot* of movies seem to go in for futuristic dystopias. Finally, for such a long-running set of series, things didn't get too formulaic -- there was definitely good writing.
May we never see th
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There is an explanation for TOS klingons.
Tight budget and bad FX.
Fucking Andorians antennae didn't move in TOS though
I'm sure we'd all love to see Captain James Tiberius Kirk again, right?
No.
-Colin
Try the later Voyager episodes. I gave up on Voyager about half way through the second season and then years later I started watching in reruns at around season 5. It did get a lot better. The first few seasons are still painful to watch.
Enterprise is complete crap, don't bother watching it. It is not star trek. It's like sci-fi soft core porn but with less of a plot than most porno movies.
I had nothing but high hopes for Enterprise when it came on the air. Maybe I expected too much, but how about storylines leading in the direction of the founding of the Federation? I think they could do some very interested stories about meeting new alien races, overcoming cultural differences, and moving on towards a confederacy of planets.
While I didn't like the ongoing story line this past season, they could turn it around (noticed a little of that the past couple of weeks). If they bring the Xindi in as allies of the humans against the sphere builders, that could start things in the right direction for the Federation (gotta get the Vulcans involved first, though).
I did like some of the stories this season too, especially the one about Trip's clone and the one with Archer's quantum brain injury. Very creative.
Enterprise jumped the shark already. Bringing in Shatner for a guest shot is nothing more than a cheap attempt by Rick Ahab to drop some chum in the water... bring the shark back around for another game of chicken. It won't work.
If anything, this will only hasten the demise of a franchise that's been circling the drain for years.
Berman, flush twice on your way out -- it's a long way to the writer's department.
Perheps if you judged Enterprise on its own merits rather than how it compares to other Treks, you'd like it more.
I dont think enterprise has it in it for a "classic" episode. I cant even think of any voyager episodes approaching classic. A few ds9 eps (which was my favorite series) and lots of Next Gen...
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James T. Kirk hasn't been born yet.
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this!
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>>IMHO the new Star Trek, as of late, has fallen
>>into an old formula that is fast making me lose
>>interest. Bringing back James Kirk could breathe
>>new life back into the series:
The only problem with bringing back Kirk is that it will, by necessity, involve yet another freakin' time-warp episode. This is, by definition, more of the same ol' crap. There's an entire rich and diverse world of sci-fi literature out there that doesn't involve time travel that is just waiting to be ripped off! Why can't those hacks rip off something other than old star-trek for a change?
Then there's the obvious continuity errors that would arise if Kirk showed up on Enterprise. He's already been sucked into a TNG flick and even managed to die there at a much younger age than Shatner is now! Of course, it's not like Enterprise hasn't taken liberties with the time-line of the other series before...
As much as I'd like to believe the dynamic B&B duo are smart enough to realize this, they've done so many stupid things that I can't help but fear the worst. They must be getting pretty desperate now. Enterprise did get picked up for one more season, but given that it's being moved to Friday nights I wouldn't bet on it seeing another season after that unless it miraculously stops sucking gangrenous monkey balls.
He has not been fired. He is just *portrayed* that way in a Priceline TV ad to make the ad humorous.
Another thing that may be of interest to you is that, instead of cash, Shatner was paid in Priceline stock for being a Priceline spokesperson. This was because he did the deal during the heady dot-com days when getting paid in stock was the big rage. I wonder how he feels about that now.
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Earlier tonight, my mother was mentioning that Bill Shatner would be supposedly appearing on a show she watched. Wasn't this, though.
:(
I mentioned that if anything could kill finally kill Enterprise, it should be that the crew go forward in time to meet a fat, old Kirk and wacky hijinks ensue.
I didn't know they were going to do it, I swear.
Having Shatner guest star as a random alien villan is cheesy and dumb, but in the end harmless compared to the other stupidity that is Enterprise.
Having Shatner appear as James T. Kirk would be the final straw that would have me petition to have the "Star Trek" taken back out of the show's title, the show disowned as part of the Trek franchise, and a price taken out on Rick Berman's head.
I mean, come on. Kirk is in his what, 30s or 40s during the TOS series? Enterprise is set over a century before (early 2150s vs. late 2260s). Even with the overreliance on screwing with the timeline that Berman is so fond of, there's no way to make that work. Besides, Shatner himself is in his 70s now. He'd have to be playing an extremely old Kirk sent back in time or something. Of course, Kirk already died in Veridian III ("Generations").
Whoever speculated that Shatner would be playing Kirk either has an even lower opinion of Berman than I do (which is saying a great deal), or is even more of a moron than Berman and Braga (which is saying even more).
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Imagine Scotty popping in to help them whip their ship in shape. They'd be doing warp 10 in no time.
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It's the same reason I didn't like Andromeda - I don't want a feel good, moral of the story tightly wrapped in a future-flavored candy bar. I want a story. One that's got legs, so I can scoot up to the table and tuck in for the long haul.
That's what Farscape and Firefly promised, before short-sighted, microwave attention-spanned TV execs took away the only good sci-fi on TV. If I never saw another Star Trek episode again, it would be worth it for one more season of Firefly.
Could you elaborate a little more on why you think it doesn't make sense? I remember seeing the original trek when I was a little kid and then the movies and the TNG as I got older.
I say yes, but only if they kill the bugger off so we can just get it over with.
Personaly i dont think he is a very good actor at all.
In any case, "jumping the shark" refers to the lame TV you see when they persist in writing stories for a successful but worn-out premise. I think everbody with half a brain agrees that the Star Trek franchise has been in that mode for years now. The only question is: just how many years. You could make a case that they JTSed back in the third season of TOS!
What keeps Star Trek going is all the brainless Trekkies who gleefully swallow all the crap Paramount dishes out to them. Finally beginning to die off, thank God!
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he rancid violation of Star Trek canon rampant through this series
The original series paid no attention to canon, so who cares? They couldn't even keep straight a Romulan versus a Klingon ship, or the name of the planetary federation.
From what I've heard, most of the "canon" broken was never canon to begin with, and only implied in technical manuals, novels and so on. I wouldn't call myself a "trekkie", but I've seen every Star Trek and Next Generation, and I haven't seen anything ridiclous on Enterprise. It's actually cool to see Andorians and non-2D Vulcans.
I think Shatner's OVER-acting was great. Fit perfectly with the overly-dramatic music and the stark plot and character contrasts.
The problem with the new serieses is that they think too small. Small ships, small plots, UNDER-acting. Boring.
How about they do a star trek that shows how the Federation began and the first star ship?
You say this as though there's something wrong with it.
Who needs a plot when you have decontamination scenes?
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Oh my god -- you're complaining about Voyager being too politically correct, and in the same breath you praise TNG? Give me a break.
TNG was the most politically correct drivel ever seen in Star Trek. Just a couple off the top of my head: they started calling all superiors "sir", regardless of gender, instead of using ma'am for the women. Also, any admiral you saw in Starfleet was usually a woman and/or an ethnic minority. *Unless* that admiral was a bad guy, in which case he was a white male.
I could probably come up with a laundry list of other instances of PC-ness in TNG if I could stomach watching some reruns.
I'd get more enjoyment out of a five-second appearance by Shatner than I have from the last three years of what passes for Star Trek these days!
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The problem with Star Trek is the same problem with every show/movie/game/whatever in America: American entertainment has to be tailer made to reach the broadest audience posible and therefore maximize profits. The end result is watered down, strung together crap that's been run through so many focus groups it's lost all hope of every being really cool. Other contries don't do this, they've got all sorts of niche markets. The niche markets in the states are forced to go overseas for their fix (anime, hong kong films, french dramas, etc, etc).
It's like those old formulaic musical comedies from the 40's, only the art of creating mass produced crapola hadn't been perfected yet so that some of those where actually fun (and at least they didn't pretend to be well writen).
The last great Star Trek movie was Nemesis. It was cheesy, unapologetic space opera all the way. Gratuitous sex, violence and preaching was kept to a minimum. The focus was on plot and cool spaceship battles. Great movie for the Nerds out there. But it didn't have a protracted love scene, not nearly enough explosions, no long and important speachs. It hit one niche and it hit it well. Naturally, it bombed hard.
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I can't believe all these people dissing BS - sorry, WS. For anyone who watched the original Star Trek as a kid, I ask you:
... pauses ... weren't the way a normal person spoke, and all that high-drama music during the fight scenes was really there to cover up the lack of credible violence. If Shatner could do all this with an obvious speech impediment, then I, a mere kid, had the universe literally at my fingertips!
- who didn't want to be Kirk, tooling around the galaxy getting it on with alien chicks in nearly every episode?
- who didn't want to kiss Nichelle Nicholls?
- who didn't want to fight aliens on a regular basis, always win, get the girl and only token injuries, then do it all again next week?
- who didn't want to be boss of the Enterprise? Not some toy Apollo mission, this is the Enterprise!!!!
- who didn't want to have Spock as a buddy? Spock, the guy who knows everything, is super strong and would *never* horn in on your action
And, somehow, he did all this despite an almost total lack of acting ability. Even as a kid, I knew all those dialog
Bring him back, bring him back now. Cram the TV schedule with Shatner, and bring hope to a new generation of kiddies!
"In The Next Generation, the crew was definately more loose then the US navy"
What?! You have yet to see the nuclear navy!
he will return to past to sabotage the NX Enterprise on first voyage.
I'd like to see him appear as an inter-galactic travelling jester of some sort - he certainly has the musical background to pull of someone warbling in Klingon.
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I like this guy better.
"Kaaaahhhnnnnn!!!!!!" ::Exits the set::
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we're almost due for the Romulan Wars. maybe Kirk will play a Romulan that helps start the war?
or maybe he plays a human that brings about the Romulan Wars?
("Star Trek Chronology" 2nd ed. places the Romulan Wars in 2156. Enterprise 3rd season ends in 2154.)
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I think there is still enough room to continue with Crusade, and IMO it should continue in some way.
The Legend of the Rangers story is IMO a step back, it is more like the infamous ST Nemesis movie: we create a new enemy (out of nowhere) in few minutes with all the powers and "top secret" super waepons and defeat it within one episode. It is simply not plausible and does not make fun watching since it becomes rudiculous really soon.
The Crusade plot was much more consistent and followed the B5 example pretty close (they could drop the Lochley character, though...). IMO it would be easy to add the telepath war story to it in some kind of flash back episodes.
Don't know about Berman, but Braga is definately pants (babelfish.altavista.com - spanish to english)
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Nimoy is undoubtably well suited to Sci Fi. More so than most Sci Fi actors who seem to try and spout off quasi-scientific terms and come accross as total unbelievable.
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Strange you started liking Voyager just when they added the tits, but you think Enterprise is porn.
What if they made his books canon?
I mean the return of Kirk books... They aren't in continuity, but they could be if TPTB decide it would help the franchise. Probably it's the only way they could do it, and Shatner would agree to it. It would 'reverse' the TNG death we saw, I have no problem with that.
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"Get a life ... will ya, people? I mean, for cryin' out loud, it's just a TV show." -- William Shatner
Sure, I wouldn't mind seeing Shatner on Enterprise. If he's reprising his role as Kirk or playing Kirk's (great?) grandfather, then I'm going to be angry.
Looking at the Nielsen ratings and that Enterprise is moving to the "Friday Evening Timeslot of Certain Cancellation," I'd like the last season to be better than a retread of the Berman/Braga bag-o-tricks of propping up hack creativity with a cameo of a favorite character.
Here come da fudge!
It comes to different tastes I guess. DS9 is definitely my favorite Trek, then TNG, then TOS/Voyager, then Enterprise.
I do wish Firefly would have kept going...Whedon's great, and I'm sure he would taken it interesting places.
Also I agree about Andromeda not being that hot. I watched 2.5 or so seasons of Farscape, and got bored.
Especially the kissing part. ;-)
She was incredibly hot in the role of Uhura, even moreso if we think it was the sixties...
This was funny and cute and well worth listening to -- reminiscent of his priceline.com commercial work! XD (^_^)
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but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it, it's life jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it captain. It's worse than that hes DEAD jim, DEAD jim, DEAD jim, It's worse than that he's DEAD jim, DEAD jim, DEAD! Ye cannae change the laws of physics, laws of physics, laws of physics, ye cannae change the laws of physics, LAWS OF PHYSICS JIM!
Bad acting. Poor plots. Bad writing. A theme tune so excruciating that I want to vomit every time I hear it. And you're worried about "violating canon"?
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You're wrong. Andromeda (Lexa Doig... or something like that) is damn hot
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I don't remember seeing fucking andorians on the original series, just talking andorians.
Get all the cliche comments about his one liners and ham handed deliveries out of the way then look at the stuff he turned out. It is the best Sci Fi next to Dr. Who with Tom Baker. He was built for the shirtless scenes, interacted excellently on both dramatic levels (with Spock or Bones) and comedic levels (with Spock and Bones together)got to kiss green chicks with antenna and made you generally believe he was riding through space on a starship. He was even good in the movies, especially yelling "Kaaaaaahnnn!!!", and is hillarious when he appears on Howard Stern to listen to Sulu's interview from a week earlier where Sulu trashes Shatner! Oh my!
Romulan Commander: Halt! Federation vessel, you have violated Romulan space. Return, or prepare to be destroyed!
... screen. (to Commander): Denny Crane!
Kirk develops a pouty lower lip.
Kirk (to crew): On
I have enjoyed "The Practice" for a while now. Shatner does a fine job. I am looking forward to the new show.
My favorite so far is the episode where he is called to defend his friend with a handicap fetish. The poor guy is sitting in the trial worried about his reputation. (As he should be, based on the line of questioning Shatners character enters into.)
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Actually, the story arch from TNG is an 'unknown phenomena' in the planetary environment caused the physical transformation from the dark skinned humanlike appearence to faces today that look like the side of mountain cliffs.
Perheps if you judged Enterprise on its own merits rather than how it compares to other Treks, you'd like it more.
Perhaps if you judged the two new star wars movies on their own merits rather than how it compares to the other trilogy, you'd like them more too.
> although I'm sure we'd all love to see Captain James Tiberius Kirk again, right?"
Right.
CBS?
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To what extent has homosexuality been portrayed or implied in the ST series?
I'm thinking that it would have been in the latest series, if it all, but I don't watch it.
... when they're going to introduce the short skirts again
Does anyone now remember the seasons of ST:TOS. Kirk would spend an hour to spell his name, Spock would correct him. Kirk would punch someone, kiss someone and that was episode 1 of what seemed like thousands.. then [repeat until seriously bored]
IMO Kirk might as well be in this series as this continuation of repetativeness in the TOS/Ent. range never ends.
Get paid to search..It's geniune and
Agreed. It's boring as hell. The first season I was like: don't complain too much, it's their first season.. Second season - still waiting. Third season - worst of all. It's boring as hell. This whole xindi arc got boring ten episodes ago!
> Whoever speculated that Shatner would be playing Kirk either has an even lower opinion of Berman than I do (which is saying a great deal), or is even more of a moron than Berman and Braga (which is saying even more).
That would be me you're talking about. I speculated that Shatner would play Kirk because I can't see him playing anything else; seriously, can you? He's typcast, and even in other stuff he's done since I can't get the green chicks out of my mind, and the DUH-DUH DAH DAH DAH DAH DAH Duh-duh, music when he fights Spock, who is suffering from Pon Farr in the episode Amok Time.
I'm sure most people are dreading this, many will watch the episode with Kirk, and I'm guessing that is why Berman decided to do this. Like him or not, Shatner is an "anomaly off the port bow", and that means ratings, whether we like it or not, whether it's good or not; viewers will be a'plenty.
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Also Mel Gibson is far less associated with any specific role then Spock or Kirk. Picard has the same problem. Most people at least accept that Patrick Stewart is a good actor (not exactly something most people want to admit about Star Trek actors) and even he suffers from the fact that you expect him to go "Engage" when he is playing scrooge.
As for the TOS or for that matter any Star Trek cast being bad actors (including Shatner) just ask yourselve this. If they were truly that bad then why did we watch it? Why do we still watch it 30 yrs after? We know truly bad acting from totally flopped series and movies that are so badly acted you only watch them as a bet. Star Trek is not remotely like that.
I think the whole bad acting idea is something started as "joke" by those who don't like or get shows like star trek and become part of the legend. There are plenty of actors who only really play one role and yet never get slandered with being unable to act.
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Kirk the Jerk, on the bridge again?
James T. "it's 20 of the hour, and I haven't violated the Prime Directive or gotten laid yet" Kirk?
*NO* one could believe someone who got that many people under his command killed would keep his career. For that matter, how could *anyone* believe that Starfleet would put him in charge of a multi-gigabuck starship, and there were never 300 people on it.
Years ago, I figured out what it *really* was: Kirk was a buddy of McHale (as in McHale's Navy), and it was a spacegoing PT boat, with about 15 or 30 people on it....
mark "that I could believe"
There is a lot better fanfic out there then the shit called Enterprise. If I want *good* trek, I'll read something like the SCE books or Star Trek: Liberty. There's 12 year olds out there who write better stuff then B&B
Canon was invented by obsessive Trekkie fans, not by writers and directors. It ain't real, you know.
As someone has said, get a life.
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"which role wants Shatner play"
I'm having trouble parsing this bit, given the lack of any useful pronouns or prepositions. Could someone elaborate?
The new "enterprise" series does its very best to tear what remains of the timeline to shreds however. Faintly I can recall one book dealing with the launch of the TOS Enterprise under what might have been kirks dad or grandfather. Where the hell the current Enterprise series fits I have no idea and frankly I don't care much. I watch a couple of episodes and then just stopped. TOS was great, TNG became enjoyable after wesley was slaughtered (well I can dreame can't I) DS9 had 1 good episode (tribbles), voyager was Star Trek put through the same process as Britney Spears and Enterprise said it all in the opening episode. Notice that all the "historical" footage is of american space craft.
It is intresting to see the real world politics behind Star Trek. TOS was at the height of the Cold War and racial troubles and Gene Roddenberry was showing a series with a russian and a black WOMAN. Showing that he thought in the future we would all work together. Of course there were "the evil empires" of bot klingons and romulans but they mostly talked.
TNG was the touchie feelie America is best but lets talk others into being like us instead of blowing them up. Picard was never wrong and everyone wanted to be a human. Note the "aliens" on the ship were a barbaric klingon struggling to get rid of his "inferior" races aggression and a robot trying to be human despite running circles around the human race. The crew was also far whiter then before and they all seemed to come from america-europe. No chinese or russians or africans or australians or south americans.
DS9 went to warmode. It had plenty of enemies and Star Fleet was busily attacking them all or at least setting them up against each other. Making pacts and breaking them. Basically it was the america that created afghanistand and iraq wich it later attacks. If anything this show was even whiter then TNG.
Voyager continued the downward spiral and had Janeway make a pact with the worst enemy ever, the borg, to destroy the one enemy of the borg that had actually a chance of defeating the borg, just so that they could get home a bit faster. Janeway was right because she was janeway. It is kinda like how america is now saying that beheading an american is a great evil but torturing prisoners is perfectly acceptable. Janeway/America is right because it is Janeway/America.
Enterprise is just plain bad.
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shatner came back as james t kirks grandfather? you do know that genetic traits do come back over generations. i have known people to look like their grandparents when they were younger.
Maybe they're just going to have Bill sing the theme song!
That would rock!
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Shatner is a fine actor. He always brings something to the part. I love the orginal series. However, Kirk is f*cking dead. Ditto Spock. Ditto Scotty. I wish Berman would stop masturbating about action-figure sales and put PLOT first. Tell interesting stories. Have the characters make interesting choices. KILL a few of them.
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He could duet with *someone* and sing about Bilbo Baggins... and they could do a video for it.
All I would have to say about this whole sorry affair (and of Trek as it is now) is:
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Are you local? There's nothing for you here!
Zap Branigan instead?
Me neither. I think an exemplary example would be *SPOILER* the one where they finally get home. (Oh come on, you doubted it?) They all stand there on the bridge, looking at Earth - and NOBODY REACTS. Actually, I think some of them crack a smile. That's all they have to show for a seven year voyage home.
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What is it with that damn song??? 1980s Rod Stewert throwback. My first thought was "OH, that sucks" and the show itself has only done slightly better.
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This series jumped the shark on the pilot episode.
Tangentially, so did "The Next Generation," if a cameo from a TOS actor is enough to do that, as others have insinuated.
The rancid violation of Star Trek canon rampant through this series
"The Next Generation" violated Star Trek canon in its first episode, too. And most of the subsequent ones. In fact, "canon" is as difficult to establish in Trek as it is in religion, for the exact same reason - all the inherent contradiction can't be maintained indefinitely and still be interesting (or believable, even). If you really want to get down to it, I recommend you pick up Phil Farand's "Nitpickers Guide" series for Star Trek.
because nothing makes sense anymore.
If sensibility is a prerequisite for entertainment for you, you are better off avoiding Star Trek - as well as all other sci-fi - altogether. If you require consistency over time, you would be better off avoiding all television programs. The fact of the matter is, every TV show is subject to any change so long as it is seen as positive for ratings. (Remember Season 3 "Next Generation", where everyone swapped rank and the uniforms changed, and the plots were original instead of TOS rehashes, and the characters had new duties?)
I wish it would get cancelled, and I don't know if I'll ever watch anything having to do with Star Trek again while it's in the hands of CBS
You wish the actors, producers, writers, crew etc would lose their jobs and have a black mark put on their careers, and you wish to piss off all the people that do like Enterprise - and there are about 4 million in the US - just because you don't like it, huh? Isn't that a bit selfish? If you hate it, and refuse to watch Viacom Trek, why not just act instead of speaking? Stop watching it, and you'll have nothing to complain about. Why must it be killed to satisfy you? Do you lack the self-control necessary to stop watching anything labeled "Star Trek"?
The whole franchise has been going on a progressively downward trend in terms of creative ideas since about halfway through ST:Voyager.
My guess from this statement: you're a young person - mid 20s - and only started paying attention to Trek about halfway through ST:Voyager. Really, not much has changed.
Yeah, but most of the positive things you mention seemed to disappear.
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Dr. Sam Beckett travels through time (perhaps rescuing Kirk from the Nexus before Picard gets to him?), corrects all the inconsistencies in the Star Trek canon, and then quantum leaps out of Captain Archer's body.
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Er, mate... You have noticed that Enterprise is about time travellers fiddling with the established ST cannon timeline, right?
Violation of the cannon timeline is the whole point of the plot arc of the entire series.
I agree that the franchise needs to be "rested", though. Time for another classic sci-fi series to have a "next generation". By the way, Doctor Who returns early next year.
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The writers/producers of Trek shows seem to use time travel as nothing more than a convenient plot device, either to resolve or induce plot. In a show that's supposed to elevate science, the least they could do is write such that a given theory of time travel is canon. But no, every other friggin episode seems to change the time line, with no explanation. I'd have to think that if time travel were anything like the way Trek portrays it, some day soon at random the universe (well, the planet, anyway) is going to blink out of existence because some phuqnut screwed something major up.
I'm no expert on time theories but I know for a fact that Trek doesn't have one that's recognized.
Hell, at least JMS got it right in B5. Time is time, don't phuq with it. If something happens due to time travel, that's the way it always was, you use your story to resolve the wierdness - not introduce it and then drop all pretense of strangeness.
I talk about stuff.
From what I've heard, most of the "canon" broken was never canon to begin with, and only implied in technical manuals, novels and so on.
Well you heard wrong.
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I haven't really ever watched a Voyager episode that I enjoyed.
Never saw any episode with the lovely Jeri Ryan huh.
Mmm, I think tonight I shall have, hot Borg.
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What keeps Star Trek going is all the brainless Trekkies who gleefully swallow all the crap Paramount dishes out to them. Finally beginning to die off, thank God!
My absolute favorite trekkies are the ones who get offended if you call them trekkies. "I'm not a trekkie. I'm a trekker". Of all the groups to wrap themselves in Political Correctness, this are easily the most rediculous.
I don't think they ever got over Shatner telling them to Get A Life.
Yes they had voyaged (hehe) home for 7 years but right when they see earth it's a shock to the system. None of them actually believed they would make it. When they finally did it was a surprise. I believe I would react in the same way. Perhaps I am thinking too much about it, but also, for 7 years voyager had become their new home. I know I would get off the ship, but I would miss it, just like moving to a new city, you miss aspects of the old one you never thought you would.
Yes i am aware it is just a TV Show, but i just disagree with your interpretation of the final episode.
I agree that the franchise needs to be "rested", though.
I agree that Star Trek is far from the best science fiction. But sci-fi is a hard sell. Its fans are always in a minority. Sci-fi can sell, but it always needs a boost to gain mainstream attention and appeal. Even the original Trek was unpopular.
So once a "brand name" has been established, even if the die-hards think it's old and worn out, using it confers an advantage over an unknown, or lesser-known, property. (e.g. Stephen King has written under other pseudonyms during his career, and the books have always been flops, quality notwithstanding; the "Star Wars" prequels have drawn money hand over fist despite being universally panned)
It would be foolish to "rest" Star Trek in favor of trying another untested sci-fi show, from the POV of someone interested in the bottom line. If Trek is to be "rested", don't expect another sci-fi show to fill the void... look for something like "The O.C." or "24" to replace it. That is why I support Star Trek in all its incarnations, no matter how putrid.
Well, actually I never noticed that adminrals were apparently usually women and ethnic minorities.
I guess I wasn't looking as hard as yourself.
Interesting implications. Tiberius was a less-than-lovable Caesar, notable for his indulgence towards Caligula (who may have been responsible for smothering the old man) and his cruely towards just about everyone else. So who was responsible for naming Captain JTK and why did they choose the moniker for one of the more distasteful emperors ? Perhaps because Tiberius was also one of those emperors who whole-heartedly espoused colonial expansionism ? Hmmm...
And omigod was his mother something else !
This series jumped the shark on the pilot episode.
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*sigh*
Let me say this again--you probably missed the last four or five times I said it on
Enterprise is NOT a prequel to the other four Treks. It's the series that is latest in the timeline, we're just seeing it from a faulty perspective. The Federation won, conquered every threat they had, and achieved time travel--and we're seeing their latest conflict from a POV that we can better emphasize with.
I can sum up the current conflict for you, with oodles of spoilers, and you can tell me how creative you think it is.
A race of aliens, similiar to the wormhole entities of DS9, are using a network of spheres to alter our reality. The far-future Federation was more than capable of defeating these aliens, so the aliens have convinced a five-species "race" known as the Xindi that Earth is a threat, so that the Federation can be undone by a historical cascade.
To counter the Xindi, the temporal Federation alters the timeline by having the NX-01 not be destroyed, but rather explore the galaxy earlier than had otherwise happened.
As for your other complaints--Romulan Cloaking Devices have, IIRC, always existed as far as the canon cares (a few novels notwithstanding), the Klingons have always looked they way they look (a non-canon explanation from Star Fleet Battles is that the Klingons TV-Kirk fought were human/klingon hybrids), and the Borg were logical effects of the assault from First Contact.
Time Travel isn't an afterthought for Enterprise or a gimick. It's essential to the metaplot of the series, and it's easily as creative as TNG, DS9, or Voyager. (Moreso, even, considering that no one else has ever done quite this setup on TV.)
I mean, heck, they have the guy from Quantum Leap as captain--you don't think that's a little bit of a clue that time travel is important to the show?
If they could get Ricard Montalban as well, it might be interesting.
... have completely killed this series, because nothing makes sense anymore...
Yeah, all the aliens speak English and can interbreed, spaceships "fly" around, stars whiz past at warp speed and every planet has a breathable atmosphere. This is logic central.
I'm guessing your train of thought was something like this: "Hmm. This makes no sense. There are things more annoying than that. This poster has made a logical error which annoys me. I must correct him."
The fact that you took me literally and also took the time to correct me is proof enough.
Personally I'm waiting for James R. Kirk to come back.
Smeghead every day of the week.
That should qualify as a weapon of mass destruction.
Yea I agree, I like Phlox. He's the only character that you can actually like.
I do agree that the T'Pol character is a little odd. At first, her character was way too stone cold frigid. So then they decided to loosen her up a little bit but they ended up going a little too far.
Since the rest of the show can't hold my interest though, it isn't bad looking at her.
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The acting on TNG was really good. They got very lucky with the cast; all the actors were really great for their roles and they had a great dynamic with each other. It's what made the show so popular and why they made four movies once the show was over.
The original series had some good acting too; once they started making movies the overall acting improved ten fold. The old show was low budget and dramatized.
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Then along came Enterprise with it's complete lack of plot (don't worry, we'll have another "decontamination scene") and a theme song that, that, that... it almost defies description.
The way I see it, it could be used as a grounds for a justifiable homicide defense in a murder trial. Really. It is so bad it should be declared a Weapon of Mass Destruction. It makes Ipecac syrup seem like a mild regurgitant. I would rather stab out my ears with sharpened chopsticks, than voluntarily listen to it again. This song is so bad it makes you envious of the deaf - I'm pretty deaf in one ear all ready (damn chopsticks, lucky I only had one) but it keeps getting in the other one, dammit.
Then, after all that I got sucked into the current (third I believe) Enterprise series. They reworked the theme song (still abhorrent, less mass murder inducing), mostly cut out the decontamination, and got an interesting plot that is reminiscent of the Babylon 5 twists and turns. Quite enjoying it so far.
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I've noticed that I've never really SEEN the chef on Enterprise. Could Shatner be playing him? That might would make for a funny cameo, anyway.
I just hope that they don't go overboard and make an (Insert Van Damme movie here) style episode where the chef somehow takes over and saves the Enterprise from destruction. This whole series seems to be over the top, though, so I guess that it's bound to happen.
...Rick Berman did not disclose which role wants Shatner play, although I'm sure...
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"And as 5 people already told you, and you brushed off, Q-like, as if it were meaningless: there are a million similar devices in Trek."
Then you missed the point if you think "Q" is equivalent to "transporters".
Transporters are nonsensical and silly, but at its heart, it does a single thing. Oh sure, the writers bent the rules a little, but they're all within a single framework.
"Q" was inherently different because he was a plot device without any external or internal rules.
Externally, you could throw him into any situation and produce any desired result *because he is "Q"*. No more explanation necessary. Internally, even if you produce a plot that uses "Q" in a sensible way, he can still change thing to anything else at a whim.
When could the Holodeck make the "BORG" appear? THe answer: Its a stupid question, but not with "Q". He's the ultimate plot device, he can make anything into anything.
YOu can use "Q" once. Maybe twice. After that, he is the writer's ultimate crutch. He should never be used again. He spoils what sliver of storytelling remains in Star Trek.
If I remember correctly, Cloaking devices did happen to exist in Kirk's time, so why not before.
And if I remember the romulan episode correctly, they barely formalized contact.
Keep in mind how many times we seem to get history wrong with our own research.
The only thing that really pissed me off was the introduction of the Ferengi this early. How can you explain that they managed to duck the Federation or anything else beforehand for 200 years, expecially if you consider the fact that the whole point of Enterprise and other federation ships is to explore.
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Yes, Romulan cloaking device was a minor violation of continuity, as the Romulan Commander in *Balance of Terror* describes it as a prototype. The Borg continuity issues date back to *Final Contact*, so you can't blame that on this series - since Zephram Friggin' Cochrane knew about the Borg, there's no way the first TNG episode with the Borg can have been such a surprise. As for the physical appearance of the Klingons, that's just one throwaway joke in DS9, and there's an obvious explanation: at some point in Klingon history they chose to use plastic surgery to hide the things that made them so markedly different looking from the Vulcans and the Humans because they felt that their ridges made them look more primitive than their enemies. That's why Whorf won't talk about it, it's humiliating that at some point Klingons tried to hide parts of their bodies out of shame. (The fanbooks aren't canon, as they violate canon wantonly.) There goes that continuity problem. Yes, there are serious continuity problems with Enterprise; on the other hand, I'd say that based on the past 4 episodes, they're FINALLY starting to remember what made Trek so interesting (though a Captain turning pirate was pretty inescusable).
No. Even taken out of context they still suck....
It's like sending John Glenn back into orbit. Oh, we did that?
That way I wouldn't have to see him at all.
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Maybe his cameo could be Trip and the gang having one of their old movie nights and somehow they wind up seeing one of the two episodes Shatner hosted as chairman of Iron Chef America...and everyone leaves while commenting about how incredibly bad the show was.
Therefore, it should be obvious what sort of role he would play: one of Jim Kirk's ancestors.
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No, Shatner could just show up as a homeless old drunk living under a bridge, or something... Or as his own great-great-grandfather - after all, the young James T Kirk would the bear a stunningly good family resemblance. :)
Well, that makes sense. Most of the world isn't white, and in the Earth of the future, everyone is equally prosperous. With equal representation from the entire planet, probably most of the admirals in Starfleet would be black.
It's not politically correct drivel, it's mathematically correct fact.
This is America, damnit. Speak Spanish!
You've absolutely hit on the head what the original Star Trek was about and why especially the character of Captain Kirk still lives on in popular culture: he's the guy you want to be.
Kirk is right up there with James Bond, Rocky and Rambo (though those last two are a little dumb to my taste, Zorro, and John Wayne. Kirk is the image of a hero.The problem with the new series (and Voyager) is when I ask myself who would I want to be, I have no answer. I'm not sure anyone else does either.
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Well, the genetic clone of Kaless(sp?), an ancient figure from Klingon history, had the forehead ridges, so its reasonable to assume that the time of smooth foreheads was a temporary thing.
Presumably all Klingons know about the smooth forehead time (Worf does, and he was raised by humans), so when they created the clone, they would have taken that into account and produced a physical form that was as realistic as possible.
Its certainly possible that the skinny, smooth-headed Klingons we saw in TOS were some kind of experiment or something. The only canonical source I've seen that said anything about it was the DS9 tribbles episode where Worf just bristles and says "We don't like to talk about it." Perhaps there was some kind of weird experiment where they used these odd-looking members as the only contacts with other races so they could maintain some distance or anonymity. Kind of like the Vorta claiming to be the Founders in some early DS9 episodes.
As I recall from the first episode that introduced the concept of a "cloaking device" on the original Star Trek, the Romulans certainly seemed to believe this was a new technology.
Although thinking back on it they may have only been calling it an important state secret, which it of course would have been. Kirk et al seemed to think it was new, but if they only just met the Romulans, I suppose that would make sense.
I dunno, I stopped caring about Star Trek sometime during ST: the Next Generation. I only watched the earlier episodes to make fun. Of, Kirk. And, his. Dialog.
So there's a decent chance I'm completely wrong.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
Why, oh why couldn't ShowTime have produced this series...
When could the Holodeck make the "BORG" appear?/
Well, it created Moriarty, a truely self-aware entity on par with Data. Throw in a portable holo-emitter like the Doctors from Voyager and some replicator magic and you could produce armies of highly intelligent, nearly invulunerably beings who are by their very nature, evil.
Q is simply the ultimate version of technobabble.
Trek is like an amusement park. Its much more fun if you don't keep trying to look behind the curtain. Damn engineers.
Since when is the elevation of pseudoscience a good thing? People actually think that Star Trek's garbage is "realistic science fiction" when it's just as implausible as every other sci-fi series out there. TNG practically made a culture out of using bullshit science and fancy techno-terms to resolve the Problem of the Week.
And his species was already encountered in the TOS episode "The Squire of Gothos". Anyone remember Trelane, the spoiled-brat pseudo-omnipotent Napoleon-like character? He was the basic model for Q in TNG, and even though the Q species weren't defined in TOS, I believe Trelane was certainly one of them, and Star Fleet's first encounter with the species.
TOS klingons (smooth heads) resulted from a alliance between the romulan empire and the klingons; the romulans dominated the alliance, and klingons with romulan blood/features dominated the military; ridged klingons were around, but were such 2nd class citizens you weren't going to see them on a ship.
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> Hey! Maybe we find out that Kirk's an autistic in a ward on Babylon 5 who just dreamed the whole thing!
I. Think. It's. Statements. Like. This. That. Make. Me. Read. Slashdot. Every. Day.
Kirk. Might. Be. A. Dream. Some. One. Had. And. Bab. A. Lon. Five. Could. Be. The. Real. World. Which. Would. Be. An. Ex. Cell. Ent. Way. To. Re. Vamp. That. Old. Am. A. Zing. Series.
The. Head. In. A. Jar. Sounds. Won. Der. Full. And. Ber. Man. Will. Use. It. On. Star. Trek. The. Next. Next. Gen. Er. A. Shun.
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
Bucco de coulo fits him just right. Asshole just doesnt seem to do him justise.
Denny Crane.
With equal representation from the entire planet, probably most of the admirals in Starfleet would be black.
Surely most of them would be Chinese or Indian?
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Keep telling yourself that.
If you only look at him as a plot element, then yes. But if you consider him as a character, and try to extrapolate him out, then it can work on a plot and a character level. The writers didn't use Q as a crutch to solve things, they used him as an interesting diversion into what if questions (what would god do without god's powers).
i thought they actually explained part of this pretty well i some episode where it was revealed all these humin-alians-that-interbreed were planted by someone long ago.
I only saw a few initial episodes of enerprise...
I agree with you about 99% of the things you said, but personally I don't like T'pol as a character at all! a Vulcan addict sex fiend?!
Saaaaaaaay, you got her number? Or coordinates or something... I may need decontaminating
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I agree, the third season is actually quite good and the plots resonant.
Actually, I don't even think Patrick Stewart could make up for the absolutely pathetic writing.
It just feels like the cast has had to make up for so much bad writing / plot design, that it comes off heavy handed. I don't mind Bakula as a captain, and I don't even mind the "emotion" addicted vulcan. It kinda explains the whole vulcan distrust of humans (not cuz we are flawed, but emotion is like a drug).
I just think that it is sad that the writers ignore so much of what has been written / developed around the Star Trek universe. Of course, I have always disliked time-travel in trek, and that could be why this show grates on me so bad. It also could be the fact that the older ships seem to have the same technology as the later ships, just less power. It woulda been cool to see a Rail gun or something like that. Not to mention, Ablative armor seems a heck of a lot tougher than shields...
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This show jumped the shark during the opening song of the pilot episode.
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You're mixing future systems of demographic with the modern demographic. As reproduction wanes in other cultures and races, it stands to reason that the races will eventually balance each other. It also stands to reason that with enligtenment comes more interracial breeding, leaning more and more away from specific races.
Without getting into your theory about Enterprise and where it sits in the whole Trek scheme of things I think that no, the Romulan cloaking device has not always existed.
It was introduced to the Federation in Balance of Terror for the first time. This is made very clear.
Since Enterprise is supposed to predate TOS it's badly out of place. The rest of it (Klingon appearance, Borg showing up) I have almost no concern with. The cloaking device thing though's just plain wrong.
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I think that you're probably correct.
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Maybe Scott Bacula could re-discover the Nexus and meet Patrick Stewart AND Shatner and Shatner could make them all scrambled eggs, and then they could all ride horses together and chit-chat as Enterprise captains could only do...
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The former, I suspect.
Perhaps what is needed is an accident involving Berman, Braga, most of the writers and a light aircraft... followed by desperate and nervous studio executives grovelling to Robert Hewett Wolfe.
Not that I'd admit having watched any of that stuff - have you seen the people who attend conventions? Oh wait, I've been to more than a few... never mind...
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i can name a nubmer of little wrong items in STE (photon torpedos shouldn't exist yet for example) but i generaly don't notice them. i happen to be one of the seemingly few that like enterprise.
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is that before "Generations" Kirk gets caught in a transporter accident that sends him back in time to "Enterprise" during a major battle. Archer is not slick enough to win the battle, so Kirk gives him advice. Then they win, and Kirk teches them transporter technology from his century and they rig up another transporter to send Kirk back to his timeline. Of course Kirk does it with an ancestor woman of his and due to a contreceptive accident and becomes his own great-great-great-great-grandpa and now has two heads, three arms, and answers to the name Zaphod. ;)
;) Why are all the good Sci-Fi writers dead? ;)
Meanwhile Roddenerry and Adams duke it out in Heaven on pay-per-view there.
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If they bring him back, I vote lets get HIM to wear the red shirt this time!
OK, I haven't seen anyone mention it so I will. Shatner's current role on The Practice (it'll be called Fleet Street next season) is hilarious. He's the head partner at a large law firm but he is suffering from mild case of alzheimers. For those who have not seen it he is fabulous. I laugh for minutes at a time because whenever he starts a meeting and he can't remember what the meeting is about he simply states his name "DENNY CRANE!" with supreme authority. I would hate to see him leave the new series for the current Trek series. Of course if it was to replace Bacula I would be 200% for it.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
Personally the first officer and Phlox are the only interesting characters on the show. Trinner IS a good actor. Bacula's acting is forced and all the other actors just don't really get enough time to really be developed. Phlox, I first thought was going to be Nelix redone and in some ways he is but this performance is much better. He shows the proper emotion and out of world viewpoint that makes his character worth watching IMHO. All the Vulcans on the show are totally miss done. So much so that I can't seem to recognize them as such.
But you are correct about Trek characters in general. Except for DS9 no trek show ever gave any depth to it's characters and for the most part DS9 is the only show that I've liked 90% of the time. TNG only had two real good seasons IHMO the 3rd and 4th. Maybe some of the 5th. First two were chaos and the last two started to run dry.
Voyager was a joke and I've only seen about half of the episodes. It couldn't ever hold my interest. Enterprise is having the same problem with me. I've missed about a third of the shows yet I can still follow the plot. It is just a waste. If it dies it will not be a great loss.
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Logical error != error in continutiy.
study logic, for an error in continuity is a logical error, but a logical error is not always an error in continuity.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
Regarding the Klingon thing, I always thought it was that the Klingons were upset that they used to look so much like all the other non ridge faced races, and that they had performed some species wide genetic engineering to make themselves look more fierce.
They kept the ships straight just fine. The very first time a Romulan ship that looked like a Klingon ship was shown, they said they have reports of Romulans adopting Klingon design. They also were consistent about the name of the Federation and the ruling council. They also showed Andorians.
Ok, when you start referring to managed media entertainment as "canon", you are perhaps taking it all a bit too seriously. It is not religion, it is not life, and in the long run, it does not matter.
If you lose the holier than thou attitude of searching for flaws and just relax to enjoy the mistakes and gaffs as being inside jokes, you'll find it's actually a pretty good series. What many point to as "flaws", I see as a rather tongue-in-cheek nose-thumbing to the ravening fanatics who seem to live for the sole purpose of tearing apart their "favourite" series universe.
Let's face it -- the core ST universe is clogged. They are literally running out of ideas, so all that's left is to have fun with the characters and situations. I think they've done that, without creating completely unbelievable characters.
As someone pointed out, Scott Bacula (?sp?) with time-travel plots is hardly a shock. The ST universe also has a very long history of creating dead-end plot lines and pulling an "oops, never happened, it was all a paradox due to another time travel episode." Enterprise is far from the first to ride that plot escape.
Has no one ever noticed that the most popular and highest rated episodes from all the ST series had a high comedic or action content? Most of them were either standalone or two-part eps, too. Most people don't want a boringly realistic universe, they want to forget about realism and rules and be entertained.
Granted, it's nice when that comes along with a long-running coherent plot like DS9 had after the first season or two, or as Babylon 5 developed. Such series grab my attention because they do tell a story worth paying attention to. It's the story that works, not the "coherency" of the series universe.
Story-wise, I think Enterprise has a promising long-run plot line, but it's unlikely to survive the lambasting by zealots who confuse fiction with life-critical religious importance. It'll probably be the first ST since the original series that doesn't get the 7-season run.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
I'm surprised we never saw Niven's concept of "flatlanders" ...
I think the closest we came was the Next Gen episode about the society that only reproduced through cloning.
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Where were you the day they taught punctuation?
Same place as Captain Kirk.
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
Riiiiiight. So the fact humans are related to other animals on Earth is a coincidence? Or did we evolve from an ancient alien seed and yet somehow retained the ability to interbreed with alien races despite the fact we can't interbreed with our nearest related species?
I'm not dissing Star Trek for the dodgy science - I understand that the show is a modern mythology and suspension of disbelief is required - but to start to complain about logical shortcomings is like handing out a speeding ticket at the Indy 500.
Please, please, please! don't give these kind of ideas to Brannon&Braga
The return of Whoopi Goldberg to Star Trek, now, THAT would be a major disaster
What I personally don't like about Enterprise, is not necessarily the canon (which, as I am 15, I have no right to argue about,) But the odd ranking system. If it is only about 140 years in the future, how come a Marine Major is suddenly outranked by a Starfleet (which I liken to the British and American Navies) Lieutenant? Last I checked, This isn't realistic, considering how long our ranking system has been this way. Oh yes, and someone PLEASE do rant at me about how Starfleet is different, apparently, even though everyone and their 11 year old brother has lectured me, I have not seemed to figure out the difference.
I can't be the only one reading Sunday stories on a Monday- so I'll throw this one out there:
Remember the Temporal Cold War? What if the shadowy figure the Suliban have been taking orders from is Emperor James Tiberius Ceaser Kirk?
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Actually the "marines" are still under "earth" army ranking and the Starfleet is it's own elite thing.... Remember there is only 1 Enterprise! at this time it's the very top of the commands out there. Notice too how the "exploration"-oriented Starfleet "bookworm" officers are quickly catching up [and soon surpassing] the "trained professionals" at their own game. In the later series [think TNG or Voyager] the marines were beneath Starfleet ship officers in rank by a wide margin.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
as the other guy said, if you are on someone elses ship and you are not in the same COC then he is in charge unless he conceeded that you are.
if an Army General is on a Navy ship the commander of the ship is in charge of the general unless the general has orders from higher up on the navy command or above to the point where it is all one command (DOD)
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