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Transgaming releases "WineX" 4.0 "Cedega"
visy writes "Transgaming has opened a new site at today and are announcing WineX 4.0, now dubbed Cedega after a unique variety of grape. Transgaming claims Cedega allows "Windows ® games to seamlessly and transparently run under Linux, out-of-the-box, with outstanding performance and equivalent game-play". Will we see a new era of game compatibilty?"
does that mean that wine is now an emulator? ;-O
arrrrr
Or a new era of litigation
A psychopath can't tell the difference between right and wrong. A sociopath knows the difference - he just doesn't care.
Anyone care to discuss how well City of Heroes runs under Wine and it's offspring?
Some friends have been trying to get me to get a PC for this game, and I'd rather run Linux on it as opposed to Windows.
I buy Codeweavers products. They give back to the community, unlike Transgaming.
It's really a shame I won't ever get to use this, since Transgaming forced Gentoo to pull the packages for WineX from their distro.
Will Transgaming ever learn to work with the open source community instead of mearly tolerating its existance as an annoying necessity to business?
Cedega (Se-day-gah) - [noun] - a unique variety of grape used to make some of the finest Port Wines in the world;
I got here with only 4 postings and transgaming was already /.ed... good work team!
--Coming up with something clever... please wait...
I was curious as to what was going on at Transgaming - they had a large banner on their site yesterday with today's date on it and "Where will you be?". Had a funny feeling something was brewing. :)
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Isn't that what Sean Mondavi wines used to produce their fine line of wines?
Will we see a new era of game compatibilty?
Yes, as soon as games are compatible with platforms other than Windows, not before.
You've probably noticed that people's noses get bigger as they get older. That's because old people are huge liars.
How seamless is it?
My main problem with games in X is that I have to change the screen resolution myself. Most applications I'm quite happy with seeing in a window, but games I want full screen, often at a much lower resolution. I also want cutscenes to be displayed fullscreen.
Does this solve that problem?
When are we going to see a shared memory wineserver. This would be the best way to see a significant speed increase in Wine, rather than it having to launch a new Wineserver process for each application run. Transgaming were working on this some time ago but seem to have ditched the idea.
meridian at tha.net
The only way that we'll see a new era of Linux gaming is with direct support from all of the big boys. As long as Linux users have to jump through hoops to get their game running, as long as those games are less than 100% compatible, you won't see much changing.
People want their games to work, not to pay for something (or deal with cvs) to get their stuff to partially work. Most people with a computer good enough to play DX9 games have a Windows disc anyways and a hd big enough to keep both. Transgaming will never be anything more than a niche company servicing a very small niche.
Until Slashdot fixes the funny modifier, use insightful or interesting. The poster knows your intentions.
X-gamings site seems to be more fluff than substance. Having a hard time determining what games they support. I've got a couple of little ones and, if I can get games like "Freddy the Fish", "Reader Rabbit", "Blues Clues", that would make it worth looking into for me.
However, I'm also looking at Crossover Office (or the SuSe "Wine Rack") for office compatability. Can I install both this and Transgaming's software or will they stomp on each other?
Thanks,
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"Windows ® games to seamlessly and transparently run under Linux, out-of-the-box, with outstanding performance and equivalent game-play"
They forgot to mention that small detail about all the bleeding-edge hardware you need to run the latest games.... THAT will give you the biggest part of the oustanding performance....
Codewearves gives back to community as much as Trasgaming: almost nothing.
Don't forget that Codeweavers products are closed source, different from Transgaming.
OK, Winex CVS version is not that compatible as commercial, but it is because of the proprietary parts.
The only true OS project is Wine.
I'm still torn as to whether or not to pay for winex. I tried using the free/cvs version and it kind of worked. Of course, I didn't actually get any games to work correctly, not even simple ones, so it didn't work at all. First off, if I pay for winex and I get version 4.0 can I just never pay again and keep using 4 forever? I mean, as long as there aren't any games that come out for windows that I want (very very few lately) it shouldn't be a problem right? Also, is there a computer limit on winex? If I pay for version 4 once can I install it on 3 linux boxes without paying 3 times?
All I really want to do is to play Steam and all of the mods and stuff that go along with it, in linux. If I can do it for a really low one time fee and never pay again, then I think this is a good deal.
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Has anyone used this product in the past? Do all games run seamlessly or is it restricted to certain ones? Will it allow me to get rid of my dual boot? Are they offering full directx compatability?
It is impressive if it works. But I fear for how well it could work. I remember downloading a game demo from EA recently that required a certain version of Internet Explorer.
Based on my experiences with winex, not fcking likely. I suppose if you bought games you knew worked with winex, you'd be happy. Picking games you like, and trying to get them to work with winex is another problem altogether.
Of course, I haven't tried this grape thing yet, but I have a month left on my Transgaming membership. Maybe I will be bitchslapped by reality, but I am low on optimism....
Nice work, but hasn't Transgaming heard that PC gaming is dead? :-) Call me back when I can play XBox and PS2 games under Linux!
Seriously, if Transgaming can make money with WineX, then more power to them. They may only be serving a small niche, but if Apple has taught us anything, it's that niches can be profitable if you're smart. Go Transgaming!
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Even if TransGaming is not software libre, those who would use it have already made the choice to give up some of their freedom of use in exchange for enjoyment--very few games that would require WineX are themselves libre. However, one may wish to support the developer of a game without supporting an evil organization that they are associated with.
An analogous situation might be, for example, going to a live performance of a band rather than buying their CD in a store, as, presumably, the live performance gives a minimal amount, if anything, to the RIAA, while giving plenty to the band.
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Well I suppose we can't complain.... much.
:E
I suppose the transgaming crowd put a lot of work into this.
I have noticed though, that games are the one area where open source/FSF hasn't really made inroads. They're aren't a lot of high quaility games for linux and the emulators on it seem to be almost always inferior to the win32 application from whence they came?
I suppose this is due to the high cost and workload associated with making a modern game. Makes you wonder though? How long until the cost and workload of 'regular' apps strays outside the domain of open source?
Though I propbobly just whinging because I have to pay. Not something a fedora user like me is used to!!
May the Maths Be with you!
Right now, I'm looking at building a new computer and taking my existing one and making it into a computer for the kids. My children are very young so I'm kinda waiting for KDE to do some more work on this "Kiosk" mode. It would be great if Transgaming's software would support thier windows games "Finding Nemo", "Freddy the Fish", "Blues Clues", "Hot Wheels", etc. My son also likes TuxKart, TuxRacer, Frozen Bubble, Tux Pinball, and Pingus. He's kinda into penguins nowadays....I'm sure that's just a coincidence ;)
Anyway, a KDE-Based Linux box with the ability to run thier Windows games as well would be an ideal solution for me.
A goal is a dream with a deadline
Does "cedega" sound like a Final Fantasy spell to anyone else? Stronger than Cede and Ceda...
But anyway, I used to think things like WINE would hinder "true" GNU/Linux game development, and while that may be true, the games are going to be proprietary anyway, so really what's the difference between running a locked-up native binary and a locked-up WINE-translated one? And in the case of WineX, even the program doing the emulation/translation is non-Free. Folks who don't care that PC games aren't open-source shouldn't complain that the closed binary is for the wrong platform.
I was lucky enough to grab the new version before the /.'ing, TG says that this version adds support for some DirectX 9 features, like Pixel Shaders.
I've tried a couple of new DirectX 9 games, and so far I'm quite happy with the results, first game is Far Cry, it used to work with the previous version, but now the performance is much better, with less artifacts and more effects.
The other game is PainKiller, it runs quite well too, I had all kinds of problems trying to get this game running with the previous version.
I know I'm going to be flamed for this post, but I wiped my Windows partition a while ago, and WineX (Cedega whatever) is doing a very good job giving me my gaming needs, it's still much better than having a Windows gaming partition.
The IT section color scheme sucks.
Is there a mod for stating the blatantly obvious or towing the slashdot line. This guy said absolutely nothing new, interesting or insightful. He might as well have copied his post from 16,000,000 other posts just like it.
It isn't "necessary" for linux to play games, just as it isn't necessary for an apple or windows to play games. It is what some people want to do though.
Basically what you're saying is that if I want to run linux AND play games, I should spend more money on more computers and more consoles so that I can have 500 different pieces of hardware to do all the things I want to do. If my computer can do linux and games and I don't have to buy anything else, thats more economical and more money for beer later.
Why is it necessary for Linux to play Windows games? Linux games will come out when people are good and ready for them. In the meantime, frustrated linux users can use one of the many fine gaming consoles (PS2, XBOX, GameCube, even PSOne to some degree).
I already have thousands of dollars' worth of Windows games. I can't play them on any of the "many fine gaming consoles" you enumerate, and I don't know why I'd want to buy another machine when I already have a perfectly good PC, anyway. Are you suggesting I just throw them all away now I've switched to Linux, or will you concede that I might have a legitimate reason to be interested in something like WineX?
If computer gaming is something you can't do without, use Windows. Why not devote a small partition to Windows/games, and use the rest for linux?
Because I might only want to play for ten minutes in my coffee break, and constantly rebooting is really rather a drag?
If you don't want to play Windows games in Linux, good for you - don't use WineX then. For the rest of us, this is one more step towards making a permanent migration possible. That's a Good Thing, in case you didn't realise.
Also, game's loading times are long enough without the time to shut down Linux, close all your applications, and boot Windows.
Lastly, lots of times I play single player games while doing something in the background (downloading, as one example). Following that basic example, youd have to move the download link (torrent or whatnot) to Windows, then copy the file back it back to Linux... sounds like pain in the butt.
Adding a whole new Operating System just to play games becomes rather annoying. I'm sure setting up Linux for playing a game is as well. The difference is, you only have to configure WineX once while you'd have to boot to Windows everytime you wanted to play a game.
I agree, to a point. In this house we have OSX boxes ( another game impoverished platform... ) as well as an Xbox, a Gamecube, a PS1, a Dreamcast, an N64, a SNES and an NES, as well as a GBA or two depending on who is home. And they're great fun.
The remaining problem can be eloquently summed up in one word - Counterstrike ( and don't suggest the XBox version, I need keys and mouse ). Sadly, to totally rewrite Herbert, he who controls the Counterstrike controls the multiplayer gaming world.
One god, one market, one truth, one consumer.
Why would it be a troll? I think the original poster is raising a valid question.
Some people wish to enjoy at least a small portion of the cornucopia of applications developed for the Windows platform without supporting what they see as an evil company
I get so sick and tired of this anti Microsoft lobby. Microsoft is not an evil company, it's a company. Period.
But to answer the original posters question: there are reasons why someone would insist on running anything in linux:
It's the place where you might do most of your work. Maybe you have only one computer and rebooting frustrates you because it is slow.
You might feel safer from viruses etc.
But really, that's all I can think of. Me, I have four computers. Most run linux exclusively, but one is reserved for the few things I do in windows. Crossover and Transgaming or really no issues to me. I have a much better chance of getting windows programs and games working on windows than on linux, so why bother? Because I am supporting an evil company this way? Get real.
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Booting windows is just a pain in the arse.
I've got a perfectly comfortable environment in Windows already. It does everything I need to do. But when I want to play a game with a friend, I have to boot Win2K, and hope it loads because sometimes for an unknown reason it will BSOD on startup. Then I find I'm in a rather foreign environment, where the browser is not set up the way I like it, the IM works worse...
That's why I prefer games that can run on Linux. They make playing so much easier. For example, Neverwinter Nights.
Another point to consider: do you think tech support will help you, in the eventuality that the game has random problems?
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Sure, why not? I'll just call up Looking Glass, Dynamix, Papyrus. .
Oh, well. Looks like I'm on my own anyway.
I must admit that I did actually call Microsoft for game support once and they quite pleasantly told me to reboot and if that didn't work reinstall, have a nice day.
KFG
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Toronto/Ottawa -- June 22, 2004 -- TransGaming today unveils the milestone release of version 4.0 of its flagship product, WineX, which has been renamed to Cedega. Cedega allows Windows ® games to seamlessly and transparently run under Linux, out-of-the-box, with outstanding performance and equivalent game-play. Cedega 4.0 includes support for Microsoft ® DirectX ® 9.0, significantly broadening the scope and availability of the latest triple "A" titles for avid Linux gamers. The landmark release of Cedega 4.0 adds support for new blockbuster DirectX 9.0 titles such as EA's(TM) Battlefield Vietnam(TM), Eidos'(TM) Hitman: Contracts ©, and LucasArts' © Star Wars(TM)Galaxies(TM), bringing the total number of games supported under Cedega to well over 300. Furthermore, Cedega features unprecedented support for NCSoft's ® recently released massive multiplayer online game, City of Heroes ® and Blizzard Entertainment's ® unreleased but highly anticipated World of WarCraft ®.
Cedega (Se-day-gah) - [noun] - a unique variety of grape used to make some of the finest Port Wines in the world; an innovative portability technology developed by TransGaming that allows Windows games to run on Linux.
"Cedega 4.0 represents an amazing evolution of our Linux product. Thus, it was only fitting to give it a new name; a name that is representative of our product's maturity, complexity, sophistication, and elegance. The new name, Cedega, is meaningful and reflects the significant growth that both the product and TransGaming have enjoyed over the last few years," comments Vikas Gupta, Co-CEO and President of TransGaming Technologies.
From a technical standpoint, this release sets a new benchmark for the support of games on Linux. "The Cedega 4.0 release contains more technological innovation than any previous TransGaming release and truly represents a milestone in game software portability. Cedega 4.0 supports titles that make use of the DirectX 9.0 API as well as advanced Pixel and Vertex shaders. Cedega 4.0 also includes a new advanced inter-process communication architecture that can double the speed of games which make heavy use of Win32 kernel synchronization primitives," remarks Gavriel State, CTO & Co-CEO of TransGaming Technologies.
To keep pace with the growth of Linux worldwide and to more effectively meet consumer demands internationally, TransGaming is also pleased to announce the European launch of Cedega 4.0. European customers and subscribers can now pay in Euros, a feature that has been much anticipated and will cater specifically to the rapidly growing Linux community in European countries. Cedega 4.0 includes an updated version of its user friendly interface, Point2Play, with multiple language support for English, Dutch, Danish, Portuguese and German.
About TransGaming Technologies Inc.
TransGaming Technologies is a global leader in the development of software portability products that allow game developers and publishers to develop games for one system and deploy them across multiple platforms - faster, cheaper and better than anyone else.
TransGaming's flagship Linux product, Cedega, supports hundreds of the hottest and most popular games on Linux, out-of-the-box, including hit titles such as Max Payne 2(TM), Battlefield 1942(TM), Battlefield Vietnam(TM), Medal of Honor(TM), Diablo II ®, EverQuest(TM), Star Wars Galaxies(TM), City of Heroes ® and many more. TransGaming has also ported such blockbuster titles as TRON 2.0 ®, James Bond 007(TM): Nightfire(TM), Law & Order(TM), Indiana Jones ® and The Emperor's Tomb(TM), just to name a few.
TransGaming has a research and development center in Ottawa, Canada, with business, strategy, and operational activities conducted at the Toronto, Canada office. TransGaming was recently honored with inclusion on the Branham300 List of top IT companies in Canada for the second consecutive year. More information abou
Between native released games/ports for Linux, WineX, DOSbox, DOSemu and vmware I have nearly full access to my 12+ year collection of games. It is a little more work to use the older games and some new ones, but to me not having to reboot to play any of these games is a huge plus
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson
No, I said you COULD buy two different pieces of hardware. The other option is dual-booting Windows and Linux!
Just to be clear: I have no qualms with playing games for Linux, like NWN which has been ported AFAIK.
I'm being defeated here... I'm just saying that I'm not going to install this, considering it ISN'T GUARANTEED to work.
but if I have to pay for it
Let me quote a page that ALL linux users should read and know by heart: "WHAT? You mean to say you own enough hardware to run this stuff, yet you're too lousy to pay 15 bucks for binary packages? Get real."
(or at least not use it with Portage
The ebuilds are there. Just pay the money and you can use it within portage with no trouble.
Your lucky, if you only have one computer to play with rebooting can be frustrating, stops you from being online and playing games at the same time. Something which is possible with winex, as your free to keep on skipping between the virtual desktops. That incidentally a feature I hate in some linux games, they block the virtual desktops so I can't do something else inbetween when I want to.
Quickshot
Hello gamer. Welcome to new era compatability of gaming. New era, but just like old era gaming compatability. The games that run are old, they run slow, and people don't really take it seriously. Compatability is barely the problem, when games do run, they are slow and low resolution.
The problems that cause this are fundamental and buried in the graphics architecture. Give me new graphics subsystem and I'll give you era of linux gaming.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
This is excellent news for those of us who have been trying to convice our friends to give Linux a try but have been shot down due to game incompatability.
Textbook karma whore example this is.
:wq
And banking applications. When my wife can run Quicken and do online bill paying in Linux, then I can move her machine over completely.
Agile Artisans
I am paying for this product, and when thiese guys finally release a new version, you guys /. the server :(
(I am only paying because I want to play Anarchy Online in Linux, but they will never support it anyway, so I dont know why I bother...)
TransGaming's flagship Linux product, Cedega, supports hundreds of the hottest and most popular games on Linux, out-of-the-box, including hit titles such as Max Payne 2(TM), Battlefield 1942(TM), Battlefield Vietnam(TM), Medal of Honor(TM), Diablo II ®, EverQuest(TM), Star Wars Galaxies(TM), City of Heroes ® and many more. TransGaming has also ported such blockbuster titles as TRON 2.0 ®, James Bond 007(TM): Nightfire(TM), Law & Order(TM), Indiana Jones ® and The Emperor's Tomb(TM), just to name a few.
I was a subscriber for many months, and quit my subscription. I cited that the only game I was interested in was SW Galaxies, and that until it was supported, I would no longer subscribe. I contributed a chunk of change, and now I'll have to put my money where my mouth is and re-subscribce to run the game I want.
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There's only 2 games I have a Windows machine for:
Counter-Strike
Eve Online
Neither of which work under wine/winex. You'd think that given CS is the world's most popular online game, they'd have made running it a priority?
I tried running Eve the other week from CVS. Still falls on its face because it uses DX9.
WineX still has a long way to go before I'll be paying for it.
While games and other apps are part of it, much as I hate to say this having app compatibility is not a silver bullet and doesn't guarantee Linux being the dominant desktop OS.
Things like inertia and useability also have to be considered.
You fail to take into account that fabulous force called "inertia". Even if all reasons holding back Linux on the desktop (LotD) are solved and it achieve feature/quality parity, people will still continue to use Windows massively. Something about the comfort zone. For people to switch, you would need bring some pretty substantial advantages, not just parity. If people choosed software on quality and features, the world would have switched from IE to Mozilla/Firewhatever a loooooong time ago.
:wq
Because I work with it, live breath eat with it, I damn sure well dont want to have to futz with it on my computers at home. Evil company or not, I tire of dealing with the issues I deal with every day at work. So yes I'm more than happy to "futz" with transgaming winex at home instead of having a windows partition. For me linux with winex is and has been in particular the last six months a nirvana of computing. Futz really, I download point2play and click install for when i want a game patch installed, OMFG wheres my windows disk. I tire of the "linux is to hard to bother with crowd", I'll continue using what i want in my house and telling others how i like it, you can continue telling me what a pain it apparently is
Two articles on the front page:
"Software Ubiquity - A Dire Need"
"Cross Pollination = Technological Synergy"
Its like an parody page of a dot.com site.
Here's the info from the site:
Toronto/Ottawa -- June 22, 2004 -- TransGaming today unveils the milestone release of version 4.0 of its flagship product, WineX, which has been renamed to Cedega. Cedega allows Windows ® games to seamlessly and transparently run under Linux, out-of-the-box, with outstanding performance and equivalent game-play. Cedega 4.0 includes support for Microsoft ® DirectX ® 9.0, significantly broadening the scope and availability of the latest triple "A" titles for avid Linux gamers. The landmark release of Cedega 4.0 adds support for new blockbuster DirectX 9.0 titles such as EA's(TM) Battlefield Vietnam(TM), Eidos'(TM) Hitman: Contracts ©, and LucasArts' © Star Wars(TM)Galaxies(TM), bringing the total number of games supported under Cedega to well over 300. Furthermore, Cedega features unprecedented support for NCSoft's ® recently released massive multiplayer online game, City of Heroes ® and Blizzard Entertainment's ® unreleased but highly anticipated World of WarCraft ®.
Cedega (Se-day-gah) - [noun] - a unique variety of grape used to make some of the finest Port Wines in the world; an innovative portability technology developed by TransGaming that allows Windows games to run on Linux.
"Cedega 4.0 represents an amazing evolution of our Linux product. Thus, it was only fitting to give it a new name; a name that is representative of our product's maturity, complexity, sophistication, and elegance. The new name, Cedega, is meaningful and reflects the significant growth that both the product and TransGaming have enjoyed over the last few years," comments Vikas Gupta, Co-CEO and President of TransGaming Technologies.
From a technical standpoint, this release sets a new benchmark for the support of games on Linux. "The Cedega 4.0 release contains more technological innovation than any previous TransGaming release and truly represents a milestone in game software portability. Cedega 4.0 supports titles that make use of the DirectX 9.0 API as well as advanced Pixel and Vertex shaders. Cedega 4.0 also includes a new advanced inter-process communication architecture that can double the speed of games which make heavy use of Win32 kernel synchronization primitives," remarks Gavriel State, CTO & Co-CEO of TransGaming Technologies.
To keep pace with the growth of Linux worldwide and to more effectively meet consumer demands internationally, TransGaming is also pleased to announce the European launch of Cedega 4.0. European customers and subscribers can now pay in Euros, a feature that has been much anticipated and will cater specifically to the rapidly growing Linux community in European countries. Cedega 4.0 includes an updated version of its user friendly interface, Point2Play, with multiple language support for English, Dutch, Danish, Portuguese and German.
About TransGaming Technologies Inc.
TransGaming Technologies is a global leader in the development of software portability products that allow game developers and publishers to develop games for one system and deploy them across multiple platforms - faster, cheaper and better than anyone else.
TransGaming's flagship Linux product, Cedega, supports hundreds of the hottest and most popular games on Linux, out-of-the-box, including hit titles such as Max Payne 2(TM), Battlefield 1942(TM), Battlefield Vietnam(TM), Medal of Honor(TM), Diablo II ®, EverQuest(TM), Star Wars Galaxies(TM), City of Heroes ® and many more. TransGaming has also ported such blockbuster titles as TRON 2.0 ®, James Bond 007(TM): Nightfire(TM), Law & Order(TM), Indiana Jones ® and The Emperor's Tomb(TM), just to name a few.
TransGaming has a research and development center in Ottawa, Canada, with business, strategy, and operational activities conducted at the Toronto, Canada office. TransGaming was recently honored with inclusion on the Branham300 List of top IT companies in Canada for the second consecutive year. More information about the c
I read that and I got all scared inside, and then I realized that the offensive motto was "Where do you want to go today?"
Whew. That was a close one.
How easy is it these days to install NVIDIA or ATI drivers in Linux? I'm a Linux occasional user, and the last time I installed it in my home computer the instructions for the driver install were a little complicated and being a bit lazy never took the time to do it, since then I deleted linux partition( to make more room for games :)).
So before entering in the emulation department I think a few basic steps should be made in the user friendly department before gaming could be widely used in Linux.
I think we agree here :-)
:-)
I have the pleasure of having a job in which I work with linux almost exclusively. I love it, but the one thing I don't want to hassle with at home is installation, tweaking etc
At home things should just work as fast and easy as possible, without looking at long term solutions. I might be an insensive clod here, but for me money is no issue. If I have the choice between spending two days google'ing, reading howto's and editing config files versus buying a new computer with win2k installed, I'll go for the latter. I can tell you my girlfriend really appreciates this approach. I'm a lot less grumpy now
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This guy said absolutely nothing new, interesting or insightful. He might as well have copied his post from 16,000,000 other posts just like it.
Well, we have "redundant", but we need something which is "The opposite of insightful"
I might suggest (-1 Banal)
I wonder since it plays ncsofts city of hero's if Lineage 2 will run. I Went back to windows beceuase the games i did play were dx9 and wouldnt play (star wars galaxies, lineage2, guildwars (e3 for everyone).
I might actually get a subscription now..
Excuse me, but how on earth would you sue someone for accessing a public CVS archive for the purpose of downloading a CVS build? Remember now, you (the user) access it with an ebuild, not the Gentoo group.
What would the argument be, exactly? "You're honor, we only meant that CVS tree for people that wanted to do free work, not everyone else. That's why we made it publicly available"? They essentially threatened to pull the CVS tree if Gentoo didn't remove their ebuild. Real nice. HUGE believers in OSS and "giving back" to the WINE project.
You're reading Slashdot. Of course you like Linux and pc hardware
So my wuestion is about Avalon.
...
In 05/06 Window$ will release a new OS with a brand nre API - Avalon - based on a completely new file system/table... WinFS (or whatever its called)
I've no doubt they will make this the most convoluted file system ever seen with no chance of proper reverse engineering or even emulating.
So, shouldnt we be pushing for new and smarer ways to develop more sophisticated OpenGL render engines faster and better so Linux can compete eith Window$ in gaming rather than living off M$ scraps?
Microsoft is not an evil company, it's a company. Period.
So what's your position on companies that break the law because it is cheaper than abiding by it? I guess you think that is ok, since all companies would do this, right?
Personally, I think we should hold companies (and the people who run them) to a higher set of standards.. I mean, they could at least honor the laws, even if they don't honor the spirit of them sometimes.
Why do I keep typing pythong?
I'll give you even a better reason...
What happens when you want to play some of your MP3's (or Vorbis or whatever) while you're playing a game? Well if you have your music on your linux filesystem, you're probably out of luck. You can have a shared FAT32 fs, but then you need to guess how much space you should assign to that and its a pain in the ass to get working at first anyway.
Of course you can work around that, but then maybe you want to check your email quick under Windows without booting Linux...now you have to setup your email client there, or live with webmail. Its just not worth the struggle when its easier to just stick with Linux or Windows, not both. I personally tried using just Linux, and then a dualboot, and as much as I like Linux and using open-source software in general, I had to go back to Windows because of annoyances like I listed above. Although I still use as much open-source stuff as possible (Firefox, openoffice, Cygwin, and so on)
In response, the games you buy aren't guaranteed to work even if you meet the hardware and software requirements on the box (just last week my friend bought Jedi Knight 3 and it wouldn't read on his CDrom... because of the copy protection. I doubt he's getting his money back and because of this I'm pretty sure he sees this as more reason to download the game instead of buying it).
thanks
A goal is a dream with a deadline
...it's been /.ed, and there was me wanting to update my subscription details. *sigh*
I've been using Transgaming's WineX for a while now, and I can quite happly say what a wonderful achivement it really is!
I can play all my games under it, including Call of Duty, Farcry and more.
To get the official binarys, you need to be a subscribed member, and I'm quite pleased that I did. It works as it should and it does the job.. and the support for InstallShield is good.
Dude, this is Slashdot.
If you say you've wiped your Windows install, you are going to be lauded, and held on high.
Burnination only occurs if you were to say that you wiped your linux install, put Windows ME back on there, and then went out and keyed Linus's car.
Okay, maybe not that far, but you get the point.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
[Assumption]
;)
You are running Gentoo, you have compiled your kernel with module support, your system is installed and you have already installed XFree86/X.org...
In other words, you've got your Gentoo installation going...
[/Assumption]
At this point, it's pretty much a simple emerge.
# emerge nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel
In all fairness, there are a few other steps, loading the module (# modprobe nvidia) and updating X. But the entire procedure is pretty damn simple, really.
=)
#SickNotWeak
so Mac Linux users are still SOL when it comes to game playing ;-(
Best Buy can have you arrested
Oh, sound in a game is minor?
Until you stop bitching and contribute or run your own open-source business, shut up.
yes, native alsa support is not a big deal, since a) most people still use OSS, and b) Alsa OSS emulation works perfectly fine
!
^_^
For myself, the only Windows program I still run frequently is Listen.com's Rhapsody. This allows me to access a ton of music through their streaming service for a monthly fee.
Trying to get this running under Wine or WineX (yes, I do know how to use CVS thank you) has been nigh on impossible. I'd love to hear that someone who has paid for this has gotten it running, so I could justify the subscription fee for WineX.
TIA,
Ewan
I just hope to see "gaming editions" on the rise again. Bundle the best hardware detection (or, best, pre-install) with Cedega, some basic productivity tools as usual (OOo, mail, www), keep a low-profile WM like XFCE4, put in every great free (as in speech) game, a lot of free (as in beer) demos and maybe some discount on a set of popular propietary games which will run (either natively or through Cedega), and there you have a nice linux distro (or box) that runs enough games to be fun and enough software to be productive. No viri, no spyware, no problems! Of course, real gamers will need their Windows boxes, as well as PS2, Cube and XBox, but for a lot of people this would be "good enough".
My journal. Mainly about freedom.
The last time I played Diablo 2 and other older games, EAX wasn't supported and the performance wasn't so great compared to Windows on an Athlon 2200 XP system. Has this this been resolved?
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
We seem to still have a few companies porting games to Linux, so I guess the scene isn't terrible. I still lament the days when some kids could get together and hack out a game like xtrek without having to hire bunches of artists and music people. Modern game developers seem to have forgotten that if you have great gameplay you don't need great graphics.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
I recently uncovered my Baldurs Gate II CD collection I'd bought a few years ago and realized I'd never gotten more than halfway through the game and decided to a swing at it again. I figured, this is a fairly old game with no required use of 3D, let's see what I can do to get it running on Linux (I dual boot) and I'd never used Wine.
I found Transgaming's version of Wine and figured, this seems like this would be the fast, easy way to go - and found a page which listed BG II as basically "mostly working" with Transgamings version of WineX - with the notable exception the expansion pack (Throne of Bhaal) did NOT work. Then I ran into the fact to just make the attempt to getting Transgamings Winex to work "fairly well" with this 3 year old non-3D accelerated title, I'd need to fork over $5/month. Needless to say after spending half an hour tracking this info down, I just rebooted into windows and installed it there.
I might consider paying $5/month for something I used very often, but a one off shot at a 3 year old game - I don't think so. Honestly it'd take a rather high level of gaming to justify even considering it, and my impression from researching the ability to run BG II left me with the impression there would likely be a lot of issues with plenty of games out there. Anyway, emulating games doesn't seem to lend themselves to a subscription based model at all, but what do I know.
Knock off this CVS access FUD. Yes, TG told Gentoo and others to remove links to their CVS archives not because they don't want people to peek around at their free code but because... CVS GIVES THEM AN INCOMPLETE PRODUCT!
The special sauce in WineX isn't Wine or the wine-derived code... it's the binary-only, proprietary, closed-source DirectX shared objects owned by Aladdin. The WineX CVS is little more than plain old Wine with a nip and a tuck. In fact, Wine alone will do MORE than WineX CVS without the shared objects because, absent DX sos, it's useless.
So all the Gentooians go pluck the CVS version of WineX thinking they're getting real WineX, the damn thing doesn't do, well, anything at all and they're forever soured to WineX and possibly Linux in general. Removing that option is good for Transgaming and the community in general and isn't, believe it or not, a nefarious plot to stop people from easily getting what's freely available anyway.
LilMikey.com... I'll stop doing it when you sto
I am subscriber of WineX for a while now and I download and install every new release.
Everytime I do so, there is a thought crossing my mind.
It says: "why do you support this?".
The question is not originated from my opinion that WineX still have a long way to go to support really all games, especially the newer ones, and have a good way to install these (still have my troubles).
it is merely founded on the idea of motivating the gaming industry...
why "serving" them with emulators so that they dont need to port the games ("hey, linuxuser, dont whine, you got wineX")?
Just a second later, the question is:
would have they ported the games if winex doesn't exist??
in my opinion its a full circle of "do it" and "dont do it".
I would love to see more games ported to linux as I see it as a future desktop OS...but the mere thought of companies like EA makes me shudder and lets me download the newest winex again...
my 2 rappen
scheuri
And no, AFAIK, they do not send a lot of patches upstream. They said they would, but have so far failed to send any patches that are of significant value.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
I have been messing around with warcraft 3 in WineX since the Reign of Chaos BETA and it has NEVER worked "properly" for me.
... that was the last time I was a subscriber. I gave them so many chances and I was disappointed beyond belief that I had to jump through so many hoops to use a commercial product.
Oh sure, I can play the game... but I have to do the following steps:
a) delete my ~/.transgaming directory each time I want to play
b) log out of Gnome 2.4/Sawfish and start a barebones window manager (otherwise the startup splash logo stays in the middle of the screen permanently making the game unplayable)
c) forcefully kill the winex process after warcraft 3 is finished (because it won't return to the command prompt otherwise)
(and incidently, hard drive access in war3 under winex is significantly slower than windows... it is pretty hard to micro when every time you click a unit it takes 1 second to cache in the audio for that unit! maybe instead of adding new games, some time should be spent optimizing?)
I subscribed to winex for 6 consecutive months once, not to mention 3 other non-consecutive months and I feel like their support was utter crap. Sure, warcraft 3 is playable, but having to quit my window manager is almost as bad as having to reboot to windows in the first place. Also, the fact that alt-tabbing doesn't seem to ever work is ridiculous (I don't care what software limitations there are... with the source code to X available, it should be possible to make this work, dangit).
Admittedly, the last version I have tried was an early version of 3.x
Big thumbs down for WineX.
Computers aren't very different from anything really and no matter how much of a need there is for standard, there never will be really a standard.
Have you ever dreamed installing a big block hemi in your shiny WRX impreza or Ford Focus ?
If that's the case, keep dreaming, it'll never happen. Because chevy stuff are for chevys, ford stuff is for ford stuff. They're not compatible and there isn't a lot we can do to change it.
Computers, like I said, aren't very different. Don't try running windows programs directly in linux, you won't get very far (well...we all know that).
But! in computers we have the advantage of being able to change that somehow by creating "emulators".
Companies won't create a game for all possible platforms, it would cost way too much so they aim for the most popular ones - such as
Linux isn't a profitable platform yet, because not enough people use it to profitably make programs for it, not to mention no company will be willing to release their game in an open source manner, because yes, it would inevitably come down to asking them to release their latest game in an open source because that's what Linux is all about.
And besides the whole "profitable" side of it, think of WineX as the bridge no other sector could create.
Think of it as the ultimate option given to the consumer to finally choose the game HE wants and play them on HIS platform no matter what the game is intended for.
To come back to my chevy/ford example. I doubt we'll ever see any kind of device to allow us to put a hemi engine in my ford impala. It's because cars are bound by mechanical pieces, physical pieces. There are space constraints, tons of fittings would be inserted everywhere.... not a very reliable technique.
Software on the other hand, is an abstract product, something you can't touch see or smell... or taste (?)
We must use that advantage to build bridges that allow us to use what we want, on the platform we want, where we want.
I applaude WineX for their initiative and you be damn sure I'll buy their product once it is matured.
If you look like your passport photo, you're too ill to travel. - Will Kommen
Maybe it was 199 a few years ago but Newegg has them for sale for 87$ Check it out. At 5$/month, if you play for more than a year, its cheaper to go with the dual-boot. And if you don't have 1gb to spare in this day and age...
data from a source other than the publisher ? Sounds ever so promising, maybe a little too sweet, but I can't help but hope :)
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
That you won't see even remotely the same level of performance with WineX on the same bleeding edge hardware. Typically, you don't need bleeding edge to be able to play the game under Windows- middle of the line usually will do. However, you'll need near bleeding edge or right on the cutting edge just to be able to play the silly thing under WineX in many cases.
There IS a distinction there.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
I hope you aren't using a sound blaster live based sound card. If so then you are limited to only one sound at a time in linux. For example if you get a sound from gaim right in the middle of a song switch in xmms, xmms will complain that you don't have a sound card! I'd just stick with windows if I were you.
The only game lately that I've been hankering to play (enough to add a dual-boot box to my Mac/XBox menagerie) is X2, the most recent (and best according to most reviews) iteration of the all-time classic Elite.
Is it supported yet? In multiplayer?
Not to be an advocate.... But... I do love SuSE
If you get the SuSE Wine Rack, ($39.99)
You get,
Codeweavers Wine,
Codeweavers WinePlugin (doesn't exist anymore, integrated into Codeweavers Wine)
Transgaming WineX,
Integrated into SuSE, and with updates through YaST.
Pretty cool, and cheaper to boot.
I don't mind the $5 month plan, either, and I was subscribed to it for some time.
Its hard to make money with few customers, and they, for the most part, produce a product that works pretty damn well.
If transgaming could get several major distributors to license WineX for inclusing into their distribution, or get several major gaming houses to fund WineX development, I'm sure they would GPL it.
They really are good guys, but if they want to have a team working full-time to produce software, someone has to feed them.
WhiteWolf666 an exBush supporter. All you new-school,compassionate,save the children Republicans can rot in hell
Quicken 2002 works great in wine. And if you don't want to run wine, check out a program called MoneyDance, which is a native Linux application (actually I think it's Java) that does online banking flawlessly.
Can you explain to me how Transgaming is supposed to make money if they don't put some restrictions on the distribution of their software? This isn't something for the enterprise market where they could make money on consulting and support, this is for Linux gamers. Linux gamers are the kind of people with the technical know how to completely abandon the commercial package in favor of downloading and compiling themselves. That doesn't lend itself to making money.
Now you might say these are greedy corporate gluttons or some such, but really, are they making a lot of money here? I kinda doubt it. It seems like they are making enough money to pay people's checks so they can afford to continue this work.
The contribution that they make to the community is somewhat indirect. They are making it possible for those of us who are gamers to get completely out of the world of windows. No, they aren't purists, but unless somebody's going to start funding developers to do this work out of the kindness of their heart, I don't think they can afford to be purists.
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You mean, like Xbox2?? :|
Pat
Yes I hear about that, but that only applies in the E.U. - my neck of the woods.
And..unfortunately, it also means that MS can probably end up charging money for its API's specs they give out. This could have nasty implications for Linux running Transgaming-like emulators etc. without paying a high cost and as I understand it Transgaming's API is already not free...
Once we have reached our subscription goals, we plan to release all of the WineX source code under the Wine license, which will allow it to be directly integrated with the core Wine project code hosted at www.winehq.com. Until then, we will periodically submit selected portions of our code for integration with the Wine project.
Anyone having concrete numbers of the subscription goals? - A goal must typically follow these 3 criterias:
1) Be measurable (Concrete numbers subscriptions must be presented)
2) have a deadline (no company will run a loss project forever without reaching their goals)
3) The goal must be achivable by the organization, not based upon external unknowns.
To me it seems like Transgaming goal is not a real goal.
Wouldn't the LGPL allow them to link with a binary-only copy protection module?
Chu vi parolas Vikipedion?
Here's the thread that started it:
http://boards.lineage2.com/tm.asp?m=243940
I forget the main URL for the patch download, but you can get it from irc on freenode's #lineage2linux.
1GB to spare is sort of a lot when you're planning a whole partition just to play games... I had only set aside 10 when I was dual-booting to XP(I crapped a brick when Unreal Tournament 2004 installed to ~6GB)
Up up up!
Do you see what I did there?
/doh
:( :( :( Thanks /.
/cry
I can't get on transgaming.com to download the new Winex.
For just one moment, drop all that bloat in your brain about how everything should be free no matter what and you have the right to everything. The real world still works on money. A business cannot start up, hire code monkeys, and pay them money to write code if they do not have any money coming in.
So with that in mind, why should transgaming give all their work back to WINE? I'd love to see you get enough funds to pay for code monkeys and other business expenses without actually selling any sort of product. At least Transgaming is giving something back... sure its not a lot, but more than they have to give back.
If for some reason you feel that Wine should be as good or better than WineX, because Wine is open source and free and all that good stuff, then why haven't you contributed yet to Wine? What have you given back to Wine??
Microsoft is not an evil company, it's a company. Period.
Microsoft is not an evil corporation, it's a corporation. "Evil corporation" is a tautology...
I love C++
I am a Linux idiot, but I want to join the fun. I have enjoyed my Knoppix CD.
Is it possible to build a Knoppix-like CD-R or DVD-R that would have Linux, WineX, and the Game so that you boot from the CD right into the game?
If so, could you save game to a thumb drive?
I could definitely see a benefit of having a CD-R or DVD-R that I could boot up, play my game, save to thumb drive, and reboot to get back to Windows. Copyright issues would require this to be a "roll your own" solution, but could it be done? If so, how does a moron like me go about doing it?
Hi,
Some office suites seem to use OpenGL or some card-related code. I know there was a tech support issue regarding redrawing some widgets in one of the SmartSuite applications. It was traced down to refreshing or something in the video processor board.
That said, I want to know if Transgaming's software would support running Lotus SmartSuite.
Is there anyone who's tried to load ms office or Lotus SmartSuite or some complex app that is not specifically a game?
Or, would I be better off using Win4Lin 5.0? It's time for me to upgrade from W4L 3.0, since it is not supported beyond 2.4.18, which I use with KDE 3.1 via 2 or 3 layers of MDK upgrades (8.2, 9.1, 9.2...Now, I need to dump the legacy kernel and go clean-current...)
Thanks!
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
Indeed, Cedega is not software libre. We've never claimed that it was. It's a commercial product that includes components dereived from Wine and ReWind.
Despite that fact, and despite the fact that we have not yet reached the 20,000 subscriber number in our original plans, we have contributed and we continue to contribute to the Wine project in a number of substantial ways. These include major contributions or rearchitectures of: 2D DirectDraw, DirectSound, DirectInput, DCOM, RPC, the WIDL IDL compiler, and wininet code, including SSL support. Additionally, we continue to maintain the X11 licensed ReWind tree, we've contributed code for a DIB renderer, and the Shared Memory WineServer.
Overall, we've contributed tens of thousands of lines of code under Open Source license term.
In particular, our DCOM, RPC, and WIDL work - required for use of InstallShield based installer - is extremely substantial work, and we are actively continuing to contribute that work to Wine and ReWind. We have probably spent as much engineering efforts on this as we have on our closed source Direct3D support.
If you want to see some of what we've contributed, just browse the wine-devel and wine-patches mailing lists.
-Gav
Gavriel State, Co-CEO & CTO
TransGaming Technologies Inc
customer: My geek friends are always telling me how great Linux is, and how they hate Windows. This machine with Linux pre-loaded looks like it comes with more software and seems to be a pretty good deal.
salesman: Yes, but will it be able to play the games you like? You can be certain that this Windows machine can.
customer: I read an article about a software called "Cedega" that allows "Windows ® games to seamlessly and transparently run under Linux, out-of-the-box, with outstanding performance and equivalent game-play"
salesman: Yes, but can it run Windows games out-of-the box? And what about performance and game play?
Transgaming has been concentrating on DX8.1 when the should have been primarily focusing on DX9 the minute it came out.
As a result they'll be halfway through working on DX9 when DX10 comes out.
I'd believe option 2 bob. If windows were to lose significant market share to linux then COffice is a godsend to Microsoft.
It's hard to say how much of Microsoft's profit is from office rather than windows (the numbers are usually grouped together and compared to server + server apps). But I'd wager it's quite a bit. Considering their massive cash surplusses, it might even be enough by a hair to keep them in business if they lost their desktop monopoly on windows.
Coffice is perfect for them, allowing them to reach another platform without the PR damage porting would do.
There's a big difference between "it runs" and "it runs flawlessly without waiting for a compatibility update" or even "it runs with all the advanced features such as pixel/vertex shaders or 3d sound."
If it's already to the state where I can pull a brand-new release off the shelf and get the same user experience as Windows, then I'm interested. Otherwise, count me out.
Transgaming promises to release their code under the wine license. They have never done, and they've also removed all mention of the promise.
The promise was specifically tied to the number of subscribers. That was my only motivation for subscribing (I'm not a gamer). I imagine there were others who subscribed for the same reason.
It can be said they never reached that number... maybe, maybe not, only they know. But their developers have posted in their forums that WineX will NEVER be released under the wine license because it conflicts with their "interests".
Seriously, instead of trying to get a buggy emulator to work why don't you just install the games on a Windows partition.
Well, I'd rather not have to dual boot (ruins my 500 day uptimes), and in any case having a windows partition is a bit of a security risk. I used to run windows, but switched to linux, because I prefer the whole unix way of doing things. linux provides all the power and flexibility I crave, and the freedom is just the icing on the cake.
I play games, probably a bit too much of the 3D FPS, and I make a point of buying native linux games. I have no interest in buying any microsoft-only game, but prefer to keep my wallet closed until the game is available natively for linux.
Cedega is broken. I have several games that work in WineX 3.3 but when I "upgraded" to cedega, error city. No worky. I think I'll go back to straight wine. WineX is dicked, will continue to be dicked, and it adds nothing to the desire to run windoze games in linux. You're better off with the WineHQ versions.
In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq as they increasingly merge the two in America.
From the members section; the release notes: (note the installer support, new cd switching fix, as well as the infamous fix they used "alice" to represent) http://crache.org/cedega-4.0_releasenotes.txt
Weird day.
You're nothing; like me.
Indeed, I can play 90% of my dosgames under dosbox (granted, it needed a dual and mp 2200, but who cares :p) and more and more Windows games start to work for me under wine and winex. wine is overall better when it comes to directx 1 to 7 games. winex becomes much better at directx 8/9 games every release!
Because I don't want to reboot.
I don't want to reboot because on my system, rebooting takes 3 minutes. ECC scrub and memory test on 2 GB takes a while. I just want to play the game, not wait 3 minutes to reboot and then 3 minutes to reboot again.
I'm probably also running P2P apps like BitTorrent, or FTP downloading huge files. I don't want to shut all that down to play a game.
I can play Master of Orion 2, Warcraft III, Civ III and Knights of the Old Republic in WineX. Quake 3 and UT2004 run native in Linux. I have all the games I need right there.
imho are just crutchs.
they allow companys to say "sence they are doing it for us, why should we even bother to spend money to make a native version?"
the only way to get a native version of the game is a letter/email writeing campaign.
or nicely point out that linux has hosted the majority of servers for the game, it worked with epic and the unreal series.
Transgaming got hit hard by this one. Any mirrors would be appreciated. I didn't get to the article in time.
John Hancock
How am I supposed to try it out when all of you are trying to do the same thing?
On a serious note, I have recently standardized all of my computers to SuSE 9.1, with the exception of one that duel boots to Win2K. If I can get Warcraft III to function at the same level on linux, as it does on windows, my family will allow the Win2K install to die, and I will finally be M$ free.
Say what you will, but games are critical to all of us, hence the absolute destruction that the transgaming webservers are suffering now. I have been a subscriber of Transgaming for more than a year now, and have never really tried it out yet since it was not yet there, if it works now, life will be good.
Most people aren't willing to "leave their comfort zone" and just go Linux, and I'd say that most of them (that were willing to try Linux in the first place, but not stay) are gamers.
If you're a PC gamer, don't whine about Linux not working for you... stick to Windows. Most friends I know use their PC as an appliance. It lets them talk on Aim and play games.
I never understood people's missionary attempts to "recruit" people to Linux. Who cares? Stick with what you like, try something else when you get tired of it.
DrPascal: Not the language, the mathematician.
In addition, rebooting is annoying. I tend to leave certain programs running constantly and rebooting the system disturbs that.
We run multitasking operating systems for a reason!
For lots of things, VMWare and similar can provide a hack solution until a real solution arises, but VMWare isn't designed to run games.
First of all, don't feed the trolls. Second of all, that's fine and dandy if you've got four up-to-date computers, one of which you can dedicate exclusively to Windows. I, on the other hand, use one computer because:
1) I pay my own electric bill
2) I don't have the floor space for more than one computer
3) It's hard enough hauling ONE computer back and forth from school
4) I already have lots of RAM, a good CPU, and a fast video card in my Linux desktop machine. I'm not going to pump more money into a second computer with lots of RAM, a good CPU, and a good video card when I already have one. Likewise, I'm not going to run my Linux desktop apps on a slower second computer because I've already got all the apps I like on a computer that runs them fast and efficiently. Besides, I'm not getting a second computer for the other reasons above.
So, as it is I do a lot of rebooting so I can play the games that don't run in WineX. However, I'd like to keep that rebooting to a minimum so that I don't have to switch back whenever it's time to listen to MP3s, surf the web, check my email, or God forbid get some productive work done. Hence, I spend $5 for a WineX binary which runs at least half of my favorite games almost perfectly, without the need to reboot. And my electric bill is maneagable. Sounds like a good deal to me.
The whole point in not buying a Microsoft product is that you are taking the moral high ground, and standing up for what you believe in, by not supporting what you believe to be an immoral corporation.
By using a "war3z" copy of anything, you completely void your "moral high ground" policy, and you simply become a thieving hipocrite, which makes you just as bad as Microsoft.
----geppy -
ScummVM, a virtual machine that runs games developed for LucasArts' SCUMM engine, has been adding support lately for older games (Putt-Putt, Freddi Fish, etc.) released by Humongous Entertainment. (http://www.scummvm.org/demos.php has some examples). ScummVM is extremely portable and runs on everything from most unix systems to game consoles and palmtops.
It's a moot point as far as I am concerned. I can't get 3d support to work properly for my Radeon 8500 using ATI's drivers. I can't get my CMI 9738 sound to work properly either. Both drivers work, but just don't work nearly as well as they do in windows. Not only that, getting the drivers to even work at all was a pain in the butt compaired to the ease of install on windows.
Until drivers install and work as well in linux as they do in wondows, it will never be mainstream.
Transgaming's WineX 4.0 is useless without good drivers on the linux side.
"He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
My questions:
"You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help" -- Calvin
Has anyone tested Dark Age of Camelot/Trials of Atlantis on Winex4 yet? I would be able to make the switch 100% if I could run DAoC.
I keep forgetting my place. Jesus is for losers. Why do I still play to the crowd?
Could you please flick this to someone who can answer it - does European Air War work under the new release?
To the best of my knowledge there is no widely played Air War game for linux and EAW is widely played and cheaply available.
If so please have them email me or reply to this.
Many thanks.
The Singularity is closer than you think
Quant
If this game works under Cadega (WX4), they have a new subscriber!
This wasn't just plain terrible, this was fancy terrible. This was terrible with raisins in it. - Dorothy Parker
CTRL + F7 = Decreases frameskip
CTRL + F8 = Increases Frameskip
CTRL + F11 = Slows down the game
CTRL + F12 = Speeds up the game
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson
I'm currently running WinXP Pro. I've played with Red Hat and Mandrake in the past, but in order to move to Linux I need to be able to:
1) run Microsoft Money 2004
2) run Outlook 2002 or fully equivalent
3) sync the above (all of it: Notes, Tasks, Contacts, Calendar, and Inbox) with Axim Pocket PC running Pocket PC OS 4.20 (not interested in reflashing to Linux).
I already run Open Office 1.1 since I can save in Office-format and use the files on my Pocket PC. Aside from the above there's nothing that's really keeping me from running Linux. Until Doom 3 comes out.
Any luck?
Alsa's OSS emulation works better than native OSS does, in my experience.