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IBM Sets Supercomputer Speed Record

T.Hobbes writes "IBM's BlueGene/L has set a new speed record at 36.01 TFlops, beating the Earth Simulator's 35.86 TFlops, according to internal IBM testing. 'This is notable because of the fixation everyone has had on the Earth Simulator,' said Dave Turek, I.B.M.'s vice president for the high-performance computing division. The AP story is here; the NY Times' story is here."

308 comments

  1. Damn, by scorp1us · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wish I knew what a Tecord was...

    Maybe /. shoud be using automatic text-box spell checking found in KDE...

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    1. Re:Damn, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed they shoud.

    2. Re:Damn, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A high number of TFlops, duh!

    3. Re:Damn, by Matt_UK · · Score: 1, Funny

      No It's just a way of stopping FRiST P0ST. look 6 comments and not one claiming firtst post, surely a new record (or Tecord)

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    4. Re:Damn, by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 0

      You know, a speed tecord, like when you measure your typing speed, you can set a new tecord if you sacrifice irrelevant consonants.

    5. Re:Damn, by sgant · · Score: 4, Funny

      Imagine a Teowulf Tluster of these!

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    6. Re:Damn, by cybergrue · · Score: 3, Funny
      It gets better.
      Due to the slashdot bug in Firefox, the second line of the summary reads

      eating the Earth Simulator

      The b was hidden under the dark green of the sections field on the upper left.
      Now thats an impressive feat of computing power.

    7. Re:Damn, by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      Makes you wonder whether they needed to check with the Patents Office or their mommies and daddies (at their place or work) for permission to do this ..

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    8. Re:Damn, by jayayeem · · Score: 3, Funny

      Problem is, running a spell checker would have used .16 teraflops of the machine's capacity and cost it the record.

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    9. Re:Damn, by jantheman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Just fly /. in 'Light' mode.

      you know it makes sense.

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    10. Re:Damn, by lpangelrob2 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      I also wish I knew what a tecord was. So I looked in Wikipedia. But it wasn't there. So I just decided to give it my best shot...

      (This better not get me banned from Wikipedia...) :-)

    11. Re:Damn, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so r is irrelevant while an extra t isn't? how insensitive...

    12. Re:Damn, by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Maybe slashdot should be using editors who know how to spell and who are willing to proofread story submissions before clicking Submit. This has the benefit of being a cross-platform solution :P

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  2. Tecord? by holzp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is that how they measure Records in Teraflops?

    1. Re:Tecord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny


      If it's a real tecord it'll be tanked first here..

      http://www.rop500.org/

    2. Re:Tecord? by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Informative
      I'm all for improving technology, but how do they verify their "tecords"?

      The top500 tecords are submited on an honor system. Most of the systems are thrown together with known processors and interconnects where the tesults should "make sense". Also, the systems teport their theoretical max performance and a measured tesult. It would be pretty hard to fudge a score for the top500 by much without many people questioning it. From this page the top500 people say:
      While we make every attempt to verify the results obtained from users and vendors, errors are bound to exist and should be brought to our attention.
      Its kinda like any tesearch field. Most people are honest, but anomolies can and do happen, and they are usually found out by others in the field. Two of the most tecent scientist scandles involved the guy from Bell labs, Hendrik Schön, who was found falsifying data, and he was fired, and I believe that he also lost his PhD. The other is from the US government funded tesearch on MDMA by George Ricaurte. Although I believe that nothing really happened in the Ricaurte case.
    3. Re:Tecord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think there is a rypo in your last sentence, you meant "teally", didn't you ?

  3. Tecord? by NetPoser · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Hmmmm..... TFlop + Record = Tecord

  4. What? by mrmagos · · Score: 0, Redundant

    IBM Sets Supercomputer Speed Tecord
    What exactly is a "Tecord"

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    1. Re:What? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 0
      Exactly the same thing as a record, but much more amazing.

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  5. It's a mew tecord! by JPelorat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone call Huinness' Nook pf Eorld Tecords!

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  6. Can't Compare to my Windows by kai.chan · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sorry, but those Supercomputers have nothing on my machine running Windows. It has a record of AlwaysFlops.

    1. Re:Can't Compare to my Windows by timts · · Score: 1

      actually I believe a gigantic PC farm should be able to run faster than those "super computers", also a whole lot cheaper.

      in the lib here we have a farm with cheap mac machines running java client/server program for parsers.

    2. Re:Can't Compare to my Windows by madprof · · Score: 1

      RTFA. This uses off the shelf components.
      Exactly how gigantic is your PC server farm going to be anyway? This used 16,250 processors and when installed and finished it will have 130,000...

    3. Re:Can't Compare to my Windows by timts · · Score: 1

      how about using the internet? there's a project where people download a software on their machine to help anaylsis data received from outer space.

      if there are many people using that and we measure the FLops for that, it might be the "fastest computer" ever.

      I remember there was a "super computer" built with 5000 absolete PCs a few years back. my company trash several hundred dual CPU server machiens each year as well.

    4. Re:Can't Compare to my Windows by madprof · · Score: 1

      As much as I agree that massively distributed projects conducted over the Internet have the potential to provide more processors than this type of project, it's hardly as reliable a way to do computing.
      There must be a good reason why stuff like SETI@home doesn't make lists of supercomputing but I don't know why.

  7. Re:Tecord == Record? by VistaBoy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd say rypo.

  8. wh0a by Cyco(k) · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Just imagine the gaming possibilities on it. Doom 3 would be sear child's play for it.

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    1. Re:wh0a by JoeBar · · Score: 1, Funny

      Unfortunately it will only play "Toom 3" and that hasn't been released yet..

    2. Re:wh0a by Cyco(k) · · Score: 1

      I guess I am going to have to wait and cry for a long time. Kinda like waiting for the release of Halo 2 when Microsoft/Bungie said it was first going to come out.

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    3. Re:wh0a by Vulture101 · · Score: 1

      it cant do 3D :(

      "However, other supercomputers can do things Blue Gene cannot, such as produce 3-D simulations of nuclear explosions, Hirschfeld said."

  9. But could it keep up with /.? by richy+freeway · · Score: 2, Funny

    It might be fast, but could it keep up with monitoring all the errors and dupes on /.? ;P

    1. Re:But could it keep up with /.? by jav1231 · · Score: 1

      Exactly, there's the true test. Put a webpage on it and link it to a /. article and wait for the TRUE test of speed!

  10. Tecord? by el_benito · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A new tecord?!? That's timpossible! But more seriously, does anyone know if there's an impartial 3rd party that ever confirms these measurements? I'm all for improving technology, but how do they verify their "tecords"?

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  11. Full Text of Atticle by The-Bus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hete's the full text in case of a massive slashdotting of theit setvets:

    IBM says Blue Gene bteaks speed tecotd
    9/29/2004, 7:27 a.m. ET
    By ELLEN SIMON
    The Associated Ptess

    NEW YOtK (AP) - IBM Cotp. claimed unofficial btagging tights Tuesday as ownet of the wotld's fastest supetcomputet.

    Fot thtee yeats tunning, the fastest supetcomputet has been NEC's Eatth Simulatot in Japan.

    "The fact that non-U.S. vendot like NEC had the fastest computet was seen as a big challenge fot U.S. computet industty," said Hotst Simon, ditectot of the supetcomputing centet at Lawtence Betkeley National Lab in Califotnia.

    "That an Ametican vendot and an Ametican application has won back the No. 1 spot -- that's the main significance of this."

    Eatth Simulatot can sustain speeds of 35.86 tetaflops.

    IBM said its still-unfinished BlueGene/L System, named fot its ability to model the folding of human ptoteins, can sustain speeds of 36 tetaflops. A tetaflop is 1 ttillion calculations pet second.

    Lawtence Livetmote National Labotatoty plans to install the Blue Gene/L system next yeat with 130,000 ptocessots and 64 tacks, half a tennis coutt in size. The labs will use it fot modeling the behaviot and aging of high explosives, asttophysics, cosmology and basic science, lab spokesman Bob Hitschfeld said.

    The ptototype fot which IBM claimed the speed tecotd is located in tochestet, Minn., has 16,250 ptocessots and takes up eight tacks of space.

    While IBM's speed sets a new benchmatk, the official list of the wotld's fastest supetcomputets will not be teleased until Novembet. A handful of scientists who audit the computets' tepotted speeds publish them on Top500.otg.

    Supetcomputing is significant because of its implications fot national secutity as well as such fields as global climate modeling, asttophysics and genetic teseatch.

    Supetcomputing technology IBM inttoduced a decade ago has evolved into a $3 billion to $4 billion business fot the company, said Simon.

    Unlike the mote specialized atchitectute of the Japanese supetcomputet, IBM's BlueGene/L uses a detivative of commetcially available off-the-shelf ptocessots. It also uses an unusually latge numbet of them.

    The tesulting computet is smallet and coolet than othet supetcomputets, teducing its tunning costs, said Hitschfeld. He did not have a dollat figute fot how much lowet Blue Gene's costs will be than othet supetcomputets.

    Howevet, othet supetcomputets can do things Blue Gene cannot, such as ptoduce 3-D simulations of nucleat explosions, Hitschfeld said.

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    1. Re:Full Text of Atticle by JPelorat · · Score: 1

      Brilliant =)

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    2. Re:Full Text of Atticle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > Brilliant =)

      You mean Btillant =).

    3. Re:Full Text of Atticle by JPelorat · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Or even possibly, Btilliant

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    4. Re:Full Text of Atticle by AnthonyPaulO · · Score: 1

      Fot a ptototype to do this is tematkable. Gteat, now we can celebtate!!

    5. Re:Full Text of Atticle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      going a little overboard. the guy typed a wrong key, you people act like you never did it my god.

    6. Re:Full Text of Atticle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First off, thanks, I'm still chuckling after some time...

      And here's IBM's PDF on the details of the system:

      http://sc-2002.org/paperpdfs/pap.pap207.pdf

      Note how they have two PPC cores with doubled FPUs, and L1, L2, and L3 (4MB) cache, and the node interconnect all on one 500 MHz chip. Then two chips (two compute nodes) and 512MB of RAM on one card... and 16 cards on an apparently 2U brick... and 2x16 bricks per cabinet. So 64 cabinets gives 65536 nodes = 131072 CPUs. A neat and tidy layout.

    7. Re:Full Text of Atticle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This story is not authentic! It was obviously typed on a type of machine used before the letter "R" was invented.

    8. Re:Full Text of Atticle by Darby · · Score: 1

      Or even possibly, Btilliant

      If you're already going to the trouble, why bother to only misspell a word in one way?

  12. Place your bets by glpierce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Place your bets, people!

    What percentage of posts in the first 15 minutes will be about the spelling of the last word in the title, and what percentage about the content?

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    1. Re:Place your bets by EvilNutSack · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Some of us sit all day on /. nailing F5 waiting for the opportunity to point out shcpelling errors. Don't take away our thunder :-)

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    2. Re:Place your bets by Baumann · · Score: 1

      No bet - didn't even bother to post origionally - for that very reason. (althought was surprised to see about a 70/30 split at the 10 message point - typo/content)

    3. Re:Place your bets by ThogScully · · Score: 1

      When I first checked, I initially thought it was all but one, that one being a repost of the story in case of a slashdotting... then I realized that the story had been filtered as per s/r/t/i and couldn't stop laughing...
      -N

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    4. Re:Place your bets by jaredbpd · · Score: 0

      Not me, I just happened to be in the right place at the right time. :)

    5. Re:Place your bets by Minwee · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Yes, we all know they spelled Laura Secord's last name wrong. Thank you. Now move along.

    6. Re:Place your bets by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I think slash "editors" deserve a good ripping. They should be college educted, such that they should be less likely to make a mistake and more likely to set up a system where another "editor" proofreads the work before it gets posted.

      And of course, the slash maintaners need a good ripping too because they refuse to make a comment page that doesn't have 100+ code errors (according to the W3C validator) that gives Firefox fits.

    7. Re:Place your bets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      educted->educated
      maintaners->maintainers
      HTH

    8. Re:Place your bets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how many post will be on Longhorn requirements??? We all know that a computer, no matter how super it is, that messures in at a mere 36.01 tera flopps isn't even close to meating tne mins for Longhorn

  13. BlueGene? Deep Blue? by fib2004 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I want to play chess against that one" - Kasparov

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    1. Re:BlueGene? Deep Blue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but i would rather to see him winning gainst BlueScreen (TM).

  14. I read all three articles but couldn't find... by halivar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...what operating system it uses. Anybody know?

    1. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably something derivative of SCO Unix!

    2. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by joib · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...what operating system it uses.


      It's a sort of two layer system. The compute nodes (2 cpus per compute node) run a IBM proprietary, very small and simple, kernel. 64 compute nodes are managed by an i/o node running Linux.

    3. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by Harbinjer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually I do think its linux. I live in Rochester and know some of the IBMers.

      I wonder if they let normal people see this thing? I'll ask.

    4. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by BlurredOne · · Score: 5, Informative

      A quick Google search has netted the following: OS - Linux, HPK (High Performance Kernel) Complilers - Fortran95, C99, C++ Math Library - a subset of ESSL If you would like to read the article, it can be found at http://www.llnl.gov/asci/platforms/bluegene/talks/ gupta.pdf

    5. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like the Atari ST?

    6. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by bhima · · Score: 5, Informative
      I've been facinated with this thing ever since I discovered it was using processors I could actually write assembly (and C) for. Each node is running an embedded linux kernel.

      Here's a bit more: each node has 2 cpus and 4 fpus, custom non-preemptive kernel

      application program has full control of all timing issues kernel and application share same address space

      kernel is memory protected

      kernel provides: program load / start / debug / termination file access all via message passing to IO nodes

      I could go on and on but it's all on Blue Gene's site http://www.research.ibm.com/bluegene/index.html

      I can't resist adding that GCC won't use the second FPU on each die...

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    7. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd imagine something that's Free as in beer. Imagine the per-processor fees that Microsoft could charge!

    8. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by Xpilot · · Score: 1, Funny

      Tinux!

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    9. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by joib · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Each node is running an embedded linux kernel.


      No.


      each node has 2 cpus and 4 fpus, custom non-preemptive kernel


      I see a contradiction with your previous statement here... :) Luckily, you got it right this time.

      As I said in my comment above, the compute nodes run an IBM proprietary kernel (apparently the kernel you're describing), and every 64 compute nodes are managed by an i/o node running Linux.


      I can't resist adding that GCC won't use the second FPU on each die...


      So what's the problem? It's not like anybody who could afford a highly specialized and expensive machine like this one couldn't afford to shell out some $$$ for xlf.

      Anyways, I'm sure that if this modified PPC core gets popular outside multi-million dollar supercomputers, the gcc team will figure out how to utilize the second FPU.

    10. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by killergreen · · Score: 1

      I just got back from the year 2012 in my time machine and found out that IBM had upgraded the OS on this machine to the latest Beta of Windows Longhorn.

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    11. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by bhima · · Score: 1
      I don't see anything wrong with embedded & non-preemptive it's not like the entire embedded world runs hard real time kernels, I don't on the PPC I use.

      Actually being that lifted every single fact from IBM's blue gene website (which I linked to) I feel comfortable saying there is no contradiction and that IBM is running a custom non-preemptive kernel, just like they said they did.

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    12. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by joib · · Score: 1


      I don't see anything wrong with embedded & non-preemptive it's not like the entire embedded world runs hard real time kernels, I don't on the PPC I use.


      I agree, but I didn't say anything about that topic. ;-)


      Actually being that lifted every single fact from IBM's blue gene website (which I linked to)


      What a coincidence, I also have read a lot of the material on that site.


      I feel comfortable saying there is no contradiction


      The contradiction I pointed out was that first you said that each node runs embedded Linux, in the next sentence you said that each node runs a custom kernel. Clearly both of these cannot be true at the same time.

      As I said, compute nodes run the custom kernel and i/o nodes run Linux.


      IBM is running a custom non-preemptive kernel, just like they said they did.


      Yes, but I didn't dispute that.

      HTH, HAND

    13. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by DigitalDreg · · Score: 1

      Normal people have seen the currently listed BlueGene/L, which is number 4 on the Top 500 list now. The currently listed machine is smaller (4096 compute nodes in four racks) and slightly slower than the final production version is supposed to be.

      It's also been on local TV news, and in some of the newspapers.

      You can understand that if there is something bigger floating around, we're not exactly allowing photographers in. :-)

    14. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      I can't resist adding that GCC won't use the second FPU on each die...

      GCC has never been considered an excellent optimising compiler. Its good enough for basic system tools, the kernel, etc. But when performance matters you use a compiler that comes from your CPU vendor. Typically an archetecure specific compiler can yield 100% speedup and beyond over GCC. Its too bad AMD does not ship a compiler.

    15. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by bhima · · Score: 2
      OK now that I'm not a work lets try this again as I misspoke in my first post and then totally misunderstood your reply.

      The example Blue Gene/L implementation begins with dual PPC440 chips (each die with dual FPUs), A Compute Card contains 2 of these chips, some number of Link Nodes and 512 meg of DDR RAM. There are 16 Cards to a Compute Node. Each Compute Node contains a IO Node. There are 32 Compute Nodes to a cabinet.

      Each Compute Card runs "CNK", an IBM in house kernel written in C++ and is connected to an IO Node

      Each IO Node runs Linux, is networked to the outside via Ethernet and the inside network is in a tree configuration.

      The interesting network configuration are handeled by the link nodes

      And to top it all off there is a JTAG connection to each die.

      So Blue Gene /L is running both some home rolled thing of IBM's (CNK) and Linux simultaneously. They also use both XLC & GCC for the Compute Nodes and IO Nodes respectively.

      What I also find interesting is that IBM is pitching these things to the "hundreds of TF/s" folks but also to the "ten TF/s" folks (as in just one or two cabinets).

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    16. Re:I read all three articles but couldn't find... by bhima · · Score: 1

      All in all I'd rather Intel & IBM just contribute their (hidden secret squirrel) work to GCC rather than AMD coming up with Yet Another Compilier

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  15. 36 TFlops ? by MadX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if that is sustained ??
    I know that when the Mac G5 Cluster was developed they claimed tremendous speed, but when the sustained rate was calculated, it turned out to be much lower ...

    1. Re:36 TFlops ? by joib · · Score: 1

      It's the result of the linpack benchmark, i.e. the number Rmax in the top500 list, as opposed to Rpeak which is a theoretical estimate of peak performance.

      I have no idea of what you mean by sustained.

    2. Re:36 TFlops ? by whitlock · · Score: 1

      I believe he means that is can sustain 36TF for a long time, as opposed to the highest it hit during a test. But yeah, a little explination would help.

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    3. Re:36 TFlops ? by Henriok · · Score: 4, Informative

      The peak of VTs System X cluster was about 17 Tflops, and the sustained rate was just over 10 (which rendered it the third place on the Top500 list). This peak/sustained ratio is significantly less that Earth Simulator's 90% efficiency, but compared to the cost it's extremely cost effective. ES cost 100 times more but have just 3 times higher sustained rate.

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    4. Re:36 TFlops ? by kfg · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have no idea of what you mean by sustained.

      He is refering to the fact that horsepower has a time componant. It's only in rare conditions that you're interested in the instantaneous force a horse can apply. What you want to know is how much work you can get out of it per day.

      A cheetah may be able to sprint to 100 kph, but I'll out distance it in 10 minutes driving my car at only 80 kph.

      Human hunters on foot can only run about 15 kph, but can chase down large prey that can run 65 kph, because the human can run at 15 kph all day, day after day, but the prey animal can only run at 65 kph for a very limited time before becoming exhausted and needing to stop.

      The amount of time you are expected to perform some function in is a critical parameter.

      Running a 4 minute mile is one thing, but there's a word for someone who can run 26 of them back to back:

      Loser.

      KFG

    5. Re:36 TFlops ? by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

      I know that when the Mac G5 Cluster was developed they claimed tremendous speed, but when the sustained rate was calculated, it turned out to be much lower ...

      Speaking of the Big Mac (lame name), where is it now? I don't see it in the list and the the news page on their site doesn't list it as coming back on the 24th edition in November.

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    6. Re:36 TFlops ? by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      I know that when the Mac G5 Cluster was developed they claimed tremendous speed, but when the sustained rate was calculated, it turned out to be much lower ...

      From what I know when Virginia Tech's G5 cluster's results were submitted they looked OK. You can see the results here. The measured result was about 58% of the theoretical peak which is on par with other similarly configured systems. Now, why Tech spent $5 mil and rushed to get this system put together for the November 2003 top500 list, and then dismantle the machine is another story. Maybe it was just an Apple advertisement like many /. posts. Dunno.

    7. Re:36 TFlops ? by jhtrih · · Score: 1

      It was taken offline for the upgrade to xServe G5's, allowing the system to take up much less space. I belive that they were still upgrading the system when the results needed to be submitted to the Top500.

      The new Army xServe G5 system should do well in the next ranking too...

    8. Re:36 TFlops ? by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

      they had to take down their system while they upgraded to Duel 2.3 GHz Xserves with ECC memory. the system is up and running now, and last month they were running simulations for the military.

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    9. Re:36 TFlops ? by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1

      uhh, because they are UPGRADING YOU MORON.

      is the obvious always lost on you or what?

      the VT cluster has been upgraded to the new and yet unreleased duel 2.3 GHz Xserves with ECC memory. last month was their first live month and they were testing it out by running stuff for the military.

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    10. Re:36 TFlops ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha. You misspelled "dual" twice.

      When I saw it in your previous post, I let it go as a typo. Now that the poor spelling is confirmed, I can make fun of you.

    11. Re:36 TFlops ? by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Your mother should have taught you better mannors.

      Anyway, I know they were in the process of "upgrading" the G5 system. Its not too common for people to build and completely disassemble a $5 million computer within a couple of months. Yes, I realise that the new systems will have ECC memory. This was the #1 question when the first system was built, and the Tech people said "Oh, we have validation routines in our applications, we don't need ECC memory". Now they are putting in machines with ECC memory.

      http://www.tcf.vt.edu/systemX.html

    12. Re:36 TFlops ? by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1

      The G5 Cluster was about power for money, not raw power. It's relatively cheap to make a supercomputer from G5 Macs connected with Xgrid.

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    13. Re:36 TFlops ? by ericbg05 · · Score: 1
      This morning's Wall Street Journal said that yes, the measurement is for "sustained" flops.

      Now wouldn't it be nice to see a definition of "sustained"?

    14. Re:36 TFlops ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grammar nazism and all, but it's "dual", not "duel". If it's a duel between two CPUs on the same node, there's something seriously wrong with the kernel ;-)

    15. Re:36 TFlops ? by Hoser+McMoose · · Score: 1

      and the Tech people said "Oh, we have validation routines in our applications, we don't need ECC memory"

      Actually I think the tech people were well aware of the fact that their cluster was damn near useless without ECC, they knew that they had to run everything twice at the very least, and they *DEFINITELY* knew that their validation routines had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with this correcting memory errors.

      Unfortunately many posters on /. are not nearly as intelligent. I saw LOTS of people here yelling and screaming about how these validation routines meant that the system didn't need ECC (which was always total bullshit).

      So, why was the first cluster put together? Well now that one should be obvious given the fact that we're still talking about the damn thing, despite the fact that it may still have never actually been used for real work. Don't get me wrong, I think the Xserve G5 systems make a great base for this sort of cluster, but the original setup with desktop G5 systems was a total joke.

  16. With a 95% confidence level by gutterandthestars · · Score: 3, Funny

    98% of posts will be 0.4 standard deviations away from one of the following:

    0. "fist pr0st!!!!!111~"
    1. "Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!"
    2. "But does it run Linux?"
    3. "In Soviet Russia, SPEED RECORD SETS YUO!"
    4. "1. Earth Simulator: 38.56 TFlops. 2. BlueGene/L36.01 TFlops. 3. ... 4. PROFIT!!!
    5. "I for one, welcome our supercomputer overlords."
    6. "Do either of the supercomputers run BSD? BSD is dying."
    7. "I didn't have enough time to read the article, but..."

    1. Re:With a 95% confidence level by gutterandthestars · · Score: 0

      Oh, how could I forget 8. "640 TFlops. should be enough for anybody."

    2. Re:With a 95% confidence level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      6. "Do either of the supercomputers run BSD? BSD is dying."

      ...no, but my machine is well versed in BSoD!

  17. Huh? by attam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From TFA:
    the Blue Gene/L system next year with 130,000 processors and 64 racks, half a tennis court in size.

    The prototype for which IBM claimed the speed record is located in Rochester, Minn., has 16,250 processors and takes up eight racks of space.

    So does this mean the finished product, with almost 10x as many procs will be much faster still? Or am I reading this wrong?

    1. Re:Huh? by CriX · · Score: 4, Informative
      YUP.

      "About IBM's Blue Gene Supercomputing Project Blue Gene is an IBM supercomputing project dedicated to building a new family of supercomputers optimized for bandwidth, scalability and the ability to handle large amounts of data while consuming a fraction of the power and floor space required by today's fastest systems. The full Blue Gene/L machine is being built for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, and will have a peak speed of 360 teraflops. When completed in 2005, IBM expects Blue Gene/L to lead the Top500 supercomputer list. A second Blue Gene/L machine is planned for ASTRON, a leading astronomy organization in the Netherlands. IBM and its partners are currently exploring a growing list of applications including hydrodynamics, quantum chemistry, molecular dynamics, climate modeling and financial modeling."

      -from the IBM website

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    2. Re:Huh? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2, Funny
      Just mean next year you will see this kind of announce on eBay:

      *** NIB * BlueGene prototype ***

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    3. Re:Huh? by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 1

      half a tennis court in size?
      wtf?
      in my days we used to measure supercomputers in multiples of football fields.

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    4. Re:Huh? by joib · · Score: 1


      So does this mean the finished product, with almost 10x as many procs will be much faster still?


      Yes. Assuming the machine scales linearly (might be possible with linpack) the real thing will have a linpack score 8x than that of the earth simulator.

      Impressive yes, but keep in mind that the earth simulator was 5x faster than the next fastest machine when it was introduced in 2002.

    5. Re:Huh? by Lozzer · · Score: 1

      Half a tennis court in size, and thirteen miles high.

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    6. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry Dr. Mauchly, ENIAC was not a "super"computer.

    7. Re:Huh? by tijsvd · · Score: 1
      Correct. BlueGene/L is a prototype for BlueGene. When I was doing an internship in IBM Research in 2001, they were already talking about this.

      Interestingly, the main argument to build this machine was: "Because we can." IBM assumed that research on building BlueGene would spawn a lot of interesting technology.

  18. Fast, but... by Wun+Hung+Lo · · Score: 0

    how does it compare to Shalmaneser???

  19. Off the shelf configuration by erick99 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From the article:

    Unlike the more specialized architecture of the Japanese supercomputer, IBM's BlueGene/L uses a derivative of commercially available off-the-shelf processors. It also uses an unusually large number of them. The resulting computer is smaller and cooler than other supercomputers, reducing its running costs, said Hirschfeld. He did not have a dollar figure for how much lower Blue Gene's costs will be than other supercomputers.

    This is the most interesting part of the article to me. Makers of supercomputers are going to go back and forth for the speed record. However, holding the speed record with off the shelf components seems like a separate achievement in and of itself. The article did mention, however, that the IBM system is not as capable as other supercomputers.

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    1. Re:Off the shelf configuration by TimeZone · · Score: 3, Informative

      Off the shelf is used loosely here. The BlueGene processors are indeed custom, but they happen to be based on the PowerPC 440 processors. That is, if you go buy a machine with a PowerPC 440 cpu, it's not exactly the same as what's in BlueGene. It is mostly the same though. What is pretty interesting is that each of the cpus is pretty paltry (the DD1 chips run at 500MHz, and the DD2 chips run at 700MHz), but the overall architecture seems to scale pretty well.
      TZ

    2. Re:Off the shelf configuration by stevesliva · · Score: 1

      Sure, and most ASICs with the PPC440 won't have embedded DRAM either.

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    3. Re:Off the shelf configuration by flaming-opus · · Score: 1

      You might have this exactly reversed. Blue Gene does not have ram embeded in the CPU, but rather soldered to the node-card.

      However, a lot of embeded applications don't need any more than a few hundred k of ram, and could theoretically have the entire memory space on-die. I haven't done that with an IBM chip, but I've used motorolla microcontrollers with 256K of SRAM on-die. I believe the entire executable fit in 8K, and the collected data in 32K, which left us with 6 32K buffers to use for debugging.

      If the asic is a RAID controller or a DSP, then yes, you need lots of external RAM.

    4. Re:Off the shelf configuration by stevesliva · · Score: 1

      Blue Gene does not have ram embeded in the CPU Actually, it does have a few megabits of DRAM (shared L3 cache) embedded on the die with the two CPUs. Yes, the non-cache DRAM is on the node card, but I was referring to the L3 embedded DRAM.

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  20. Actually... by RoninSix · · Score: 1, Funny

    More like Iuinness' Dook qf Yorld Tecords.

    The beginning letter of each word is two letters after the intentional letter.

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    1. Re:Actually... by the+unbeliever · · Score: 1

      Or one key to the right of the proper one :P

    2. Re:Actually... by soulsteal · · Score: 0

      Grnadparent post was commenting on the fat finger typing and shifting of fingers off home key to the right by 1 key just for the first letter of the word.

      Woooooo.

    3. Re:Actually... by JPelorat · · Score: 1

      No no, everyone knows that when you make a typo, instead of shifting a key on the keyboard, you always shift through the alphabet instead. =P

      Heh, I don't think even Rain Man would do a typo like that.

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  21. The most interesting part: by onetrueking · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the NYTime article:

    "The new system is notable because it packs its computing power much more densely than other large-scale computing systems. BlueGene/L is one-hundredth the physical size of the Earth Simulator and consumes one twenty-eighth the power per computation, the company said."

    1/100th the size and 1/28th the power. Now if that isn't a beautiful thing, I don't know what is.

    1. Re:The most interesting part: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      1/100th the size and 1/28th the power. Now if that isn't a beautiful thing, I don't know what is.

      If you like that I can show you a 486 I got in my closet. It's 1/10^6th the size of the Earth Simulator and only uses 1/10^8th the power.

    2. Re:The most interesting part: by 4of12 · · Score: 1

      1/100th the size and 1/28th the power. Now if that isn't a beautiful thing, I don't know what is.

      1/100th the cost?

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  22. Someone please explain this to me by onetrueking · · Score: 1

    From AP article:

    "However, other supercomputers can do things Blue Gene cannot, such as produce 3-D simulations of nuclear explosions, Hirschfeld said."

    They state that Blue Gene L has 16,000 processors, but it's a prototype for the real deal which is going to have 130,000 processors. So, how in god's name could a computer with that much power not be able to simulate a nuclear explosion? Is it just that it would do it too slowly to be useful?

    1. Re:Someone please explain this to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, how in god's name could a computer with that much power not be able to simulate a nuclear explosion? Is it just that it would do it too slowly to be useful?

      No, it's completely incapable of simulating nuclear explosions. You need a highly specialised coprocessor to do that. Basically, they embed 2 tiny lumps of plutonium in the chips together with a high resolution CCD. On receipt of a special command from the main CPU the plutonium is smashed together and the resulting micro-explosion is recorded by the CCD. The data is relayed to the main CPU which simply multiplies all of the data points by a bazillion times each in order to accurately model a real nuclear explosion.

      It's also possible that you need to go and lookup the meaning of the phrase "Turing complete".

    2. Re:Someone please explain this to me by The_Mr_Flibble · · Score: 1

      I dunno maybe they have passive cooling instead of active cooling :)

    3. Re:Someone please explain this to me by UWC · · Score: 1

      I heard on the radio this morning kind of vague but similar assertions. Essentially they said that BlueGene was more suited to solving "small parts of problems" than other supercomputers, which worked through complex simulations and the like.

    4. Re:Someone please explain this to me by Dutch_Cap · · Score: 1

      They state that Blue Gene L has 16,000 processors, but it's a prototype for the real deal which is going to have 130,000 processors. So, how in god's name could a computer with that much power not be able to simulate a nuclear explosion? Is it just that it would do it too slowly to be useful?

      My guess would be that it might have something to do with the fact that some problems don't scale well to clusters, simulations of nuclear explosions might be one of them. Some problems require a lot of calculations on relatively little data. Seti@home is a good example of this. Other problems require only a few calculations on lots and lots of data. In such cases every node needs to fetch a lot of data for every calculation. If the data/calculation ratio becomes too high, the connection between nodes can quickly become a bottleneck that supercomputers with fewer processors don't suffer from.

    5. Re:Someone please explain this to me by cyngus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Problems run on clusters have to be able to be broken down into small pieces that don't need to interact with the other pieces very much. This is so because of communication latency in such a system. Someone mentioned SETI, which runs great on a cluster, because looking at the signal from one piece of sky requires no information about the surrounding sky. However, something like a nuclear explosion, broken into pieces, requires lots of information about the surrounding environment. What's worse is that as you make the pieces smaller when simulating a nuclear explosion, your need for knowledge about the surrounding increases! Such simulations require a much more tightly coupled system, a 'traditional' super computer.

    6. Re:Someone please explain this to me by randominator · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing this has to do with whether the problems are parallelizeable or not.

      Crunching the tons of different possibilities for the folding of a protein and whatever is the computing-heavy problem in quantum chemistry, e.t.c. basically involves many independent calculations.

      In particle physics it is the same situation (IAPP). In our simulations we have many independent calculations that are repeated many times. Linux clusters built from off-the-shelf components are great for crunching these problems because of their parallelizability

      I don't know how they do the 3D modelling of nuclear explosions, but the processes going on in certain parts of the explosion are apparently not independent of what goes in other parts, hence the problem is probably difficult to break into smaller parts for BlueGene (or similarly designed systems) to crunch. I would have thought this was all done using fluid dynamics, and wouldn't be too different from the models used in weather simulation, something the FA mentions as a posssible application for BlueGene, but apparently my intution on the modelling of nuclear explosions is not too good (which is a Good Thing, probably :)

      These are just guesses (in other words, I'm just talking out of my arse here), but I seem to remember from earlier mentions of the computers the DoE (DoD?) have for simulating nuclear explosions, that they contain highly specialized hardware designed specially for this problem

      So to answer your question, I think if you ran Make -f topsecret_DoE_Makefile 3D_model_of_big_motherfscking_nuke_going_bang it would probably run, albeit slowly. Remember to apt-get install nuke-devel before trying this at home

    7. Re:Someone please explain this to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True supercomputers (particularly the Cray family) are not just ultra-fast cousins of the beige box under your desk. Of particular interest is the idea of a vector processor.

      True HPCs Also tend to incorporate tight integration between compute units. Where a cluster would have the processors roughly in a star topology, many of the true supercomputing champions arrange their processors into something resembling a crystal.

      As a consequence of these architectural differences, Cray and family are much more suited to work on large indivisible problems while super clusters excel at tasks involving easily separated components.

  23. Re:OS... by ImaLamer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    They fixed the typo, it's not funny now.

  24. Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But how does it stack up to Google's 100.000 CPU cluster?

  25. Look out world .. by z0ink · · Score: 1

    Here comes the best chess player you've ever seen!

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  26. More detail by erick99 · · Score: 3, Informative

    For a great deal of detail about this system surf over to this pdf

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    1. Re:More detail by mfago · · Score: 1
      Really great article. Of note:

      The desired MTBF of the system is at least 10 days.

      With 65k processors it makes sense that the MTBF would be small, but wow. Of course, IBM has accounted for this in the design: the system is able to automatically recover from a failed node etc.
  27. Typo fixed, get your screen shots here! by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yup, nothing better to do this morning but take screen shots of typos.

    Get your screen shots here!

    1. Re:Typo fixed, get your screen shots here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who modded this offtopic? It's about the headline of the article you retards.

  28. Aha! by unixbugs · · Score: 0

    However, other supercomputers can do things Blue Gene cannot, such as produce 3-D simulations of nuclear explosions, Hirschfeld said.

    Then what fun is it? Let me guess, it can simulate the growth of a 3000 year old Grand Sequoia though...hippy scientists... Fire up the glx mod and lets get fraggin!

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  29. It's fast because by SpermanHerman · · Score: 1, Funny

    they are not using websphere on it...

  30. Re:oh no! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Is beawulf the sister of beowulf?

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  31. What for? by RCulpepper · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the Washington Post article:

    "IBM's new system nudges past a nearly three-year-old computer speed record of 35.86 "teraflops," or trillions of calculations per second, with a working speed of 36.01 teraflops....The current record-holder, known as the Earth Simulator, is a supercomputer in Yokohama, Japan, designed to simulate earthquakes."

    Won't it be great when IBM announces that they built Blue Gene to simulate Japanese earthquakes? Neener neener.

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    1. Re:What for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or even simulate Earth Simulator simulation earthquakes.

      Just lends more credit to my theory that we all exist in side a computer (not like the Matrix, we have no physical body).

  32. Uh oh by JPelorat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The typo is fixed, it's just a matter of time before the Offtopic and Redundant bombs hit..

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    1. Re:Uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Q: Hey, how can you tell if a mod is a stupid fucker?

      A: You don't have to, it's a mod! Guaranteed stupid fuckerage!

  33. Smart machines by fionbio · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've heard that the neural network of human brain has calculation speed of 4.4 TFLOPS. How soon these machines will start to THINK? Seems like what we need now is just more storage capacity and some well-written "thinking" software...

    1. Re:Smart machines by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're getting into some pretty deep issues now. Can a computer ever think? How would we know if it was thinking? At what point does the computer start thinking instead of just following instructions. No matter how complex it's instructions are or how fast it executes them, isn't it still just following instructions? What about us? Are we just following instructions?

      Timeout-- my head hurts.

      Which brings me to my next point. If computer ever could think, it would eventually start to think about how it thinks... And then it would overheat or explode.

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    2. Re:Smart machines by Gil-galad55 · · Score: 1
      I think most estimates put the human brain on the order of 10-100 TFlOps. That having been said, the brain is significantly more parallel than even BlueGene/L will be... although I imagine that with 130,000 "neurons,", a pretty convincing AI based on neural nets could be developed.

      As always, I recommend Ray Kurzweil's "The Age of Spiritual Machines" for a non-technical but interesting outlook on the eventual synthesis of the human consciousness with machines.

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    3. Re:Smart machines by TheRealStaunch · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You could probably consider a program to be thinking if the initial instructions allow it to develop it's own instructions (derived from something) and delete the old ones so it isn't bound to them.

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    4. Re:Smart machines by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1

      thinking in human terms is more involved than processing power.

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    5. Re:Smart machines by nemexi · · Score: 1

      Hans Moravec (principal research scientist at the Robotics Institute of Carnegie Mellon University) estimated that the human brain has a processing power of around 100 teraflops. Of course we'll have to ask nonetheless (though a few days later): Will we be able to simulate the human brain? Will that be actual "thinking"?

    6. Re:Smart machines by Dutch_Cap · · Score: 1

      The problem is that brains work very, very differently from computers and I think it's hard to compare them speedwise. Unlike a universal computer like Blue Gene, the brain is a specialised device that performs very well at things like pattern recognition. I also believe that the fact that the brain is an analog system gives it a very big advatage in terms of speed with only a small pay-off in terms of precision.

      My hypothesis is that the brain performs much better than any computer at the tasks that are important in "thinking", while computers might excel at things like doing lots and lots of very precise calculations.

    7. Re:Smart machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which brings me to my next point. If computer ever could think, it would eventually start to think about how it thinks... And then it would overheat or explode

      This is where singularity comes into play. If we accept that X units of human thinking will make computers twice as fast, then what happens when computers can be substituted for humans?
      Performance doubling in 18 months, next double in 9, then 4.5, 2.25, 1.125.. ouch

      (of course it doesn't really work that way, but a cool idea anyway..)

    8. Re:Smart machines by Sir+Homer · · Score: 1

      The brain is the ultimite cluster. Each neuron is like a (weak) CPU and there are billions of them. Because of this, the brain is works alot differently then your average computer.

    9. Re:Smart machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's simple. Look at the Turing test. As long as any human interacting with it cannot distinguish it as being a machine and not a human, that's pretty much thinking. You really don't need to know the internals. In fact you don't know the brain's internals anyway.

    10. Re:Smart machines by Jonboy+X · · Score: 1

      Actually, a quick Googling reveals that the popular estimate for the calculation power of the human brain seems to be around 100 teraflops, but at least we're in the ballpark now. Maybe they could use it to simulate the brain of a lesser animal, like a raccoon or a Republican.

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    11. Re:Smart machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can a computer ever think? Just as much as anything else (humans included) can, yes.

      How would we know if it was thinking? The same way you know other humans are thinking. If you don't think other humans are thinking, then you won't think the computer is thinking.

      At what point does the computer start thinking instead of just following instructions. It is always following instructions.

      No matter how complex it's instructions are or how fast it executes them, isn't it still just following instructions? Yes.

      What about us? We are just following instructions.

      Are we just following instructions? Yes.

    12. Re:Smart machines by dunc78 · · Score: 1

      Or 100 Democrats. May be a new metric. 4 TFlops = 100 BOD (Brains of Democrats).

    13. Re:Smart machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've also heard that some scientists are full of shit and use terms like TFLOPS to measure immeasurable organic matter.

    14. Re:Smart machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we assume neurons are the basic processing unit, then we have 10 exp 3 ops/ neuron * 10 exp 11 neurons for a total of 10 exp 14. But if we consider, as Penrose thinks possible, the tubulin dimer as the basic unit, capable of 10 exp 6 ops/sec, each neuron carrying 10 exp 7 of said dimers, then the total computational power of the brain is closer to 10 exp 27. Far removed from this machine.

    15. Re:Smart machines by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      My definition would be if the computer knew it was thinking and if the computer can learn or do things without being explicitely told. Or in other words conciousness.

      For example we dont think about telling our hearts to beat. It happens automatically subconciously and I think this is how computers think today. However when we make decisions on our own that is considered thinking and part of our conciousness.

      A computer only does what a programmer tells it to do so it can not make its own choices nor would it even know how since they dont think.

      That is my own deffinition and I am sure many here have their own deffinitions that are different.

    16. Re:Smart machines by anderiv · · Score: 1

      Thinking? Don't computers already do that? That's what the hourglass means...at least according to my users! :-)

    17. Re:Smart machines by gadget+junkie · · Score: 1

      Isaac Asimov, the man who most analysed the conundrum of robots construction and programming, did go in the field of thinking computers.
      As far as I recall, in his book the computers, having freed man from want and aggression, realised that they had begotten a beast and by mutual agreement they all ceased to function at the same time.

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    18. Re:Smart machines by Dutch_Cap · · Score: 1

      Your description is not entirely accurate. Comparing neurons with a cluster of computers suggests that the processing is done inside the neurons. In reality, though, most, if not all of the algorithm is implemented in the structure and strength of the connections between the neurons.

  34. Re:Can't let this one slip by... by Welsh+Dwarf · · Score: 1

    It'd be able to deduce the existance of rice pudding and income tax before anyone could get to a switch to turn it off!

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  35. Re:Yeah, but can it run Sims 2... by Moby+Cock · · Score: 1, Funny

    I find it genuinely amusing that there is a disclaimer on the link you include that says the Earth Simulator is not to be confused with SimEarth. I wonder if there was a board meeting at Maxis to discuss the possible imapct of the release of the Earth Simulator...

    As far as the machine being sexy: Its got red spots, that is usually a sign to leave it alone...

  36. Just for a day... by jmcmunn · · Score: 0


    I think that they should take this computer just for one day and set it to run Seti@home...that's be a hell of a lot of searching for aliens right there. I bet they'd run out of packets to send you!

    1. Re:Just for a day... by StuartFreeman · · Score: 1

      according to this site SETI@home (which is already a distributed system) currently runs at around 15 teraflops, so running it on this machine for a day would only about triple their results for that day.

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    2. Re:Just for a day... by jmcmunn · · Score: 1


      Ok, good point, I had never seen a stat on it. But still, adding a single computer to the network and tripling the amount of work done! that's still pretty impressive if you ask me!

  37. The question is... by jals · · Score: 1

    Will it run Longhorn?

    Well no, the real question is, how many people beat me to that joke?

    1. Re:The question is... by The_Mr_Flibble · · Score: 2, Funny

      No microsoft will install a vanila version of redhat on it and compare it to a pc with windows server then write press articles about cost to run.

  38. Tecord by vurg · · Score: 0

    A few seconds ago I was having fun reading the tecords comments. Now it's corrected.

    Killjoy editors.

  39. New thing to be measure by sebol · · Score: 1

    Anyone have a list of TFlops/squarefeet top ten supercomputer?

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  40. way to catch up guys. by flaming-opus · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'll be very interested in seeing how well this thing performs on benchmarks other than linpack.

    Blue Gene is a very interesting design in so much as it uses IBM's 32-bit powerpc cores, normally used for embeded applications. They put 2 cores on a die, and integrated a memory controller, as well as the 4 different interconnect networks. The cores are only clocked at about 800mhz, and are thus pretty wimpy individually. However, that can be good. Since the processor cores are quite modest, the ratio of memory bandwidth to CPU flops is quite high. Similarly the ratio of interconnect bandwidth to CPU flops is also very high. Thus the CPUs should run very efficiently on problems that will parallelize to thousands of cpus. Some problems, on the other hand, will perform terribly. I expect a lot of this system's performance depends on the scalability of the system software, and the compilers / libraries.

    That said, the earth simulator is also really good at some applications, and not so good at others. Instead of 16,000 small CPUs, it uses 5000 massive vector CPUs. Each is clocked at only 500mhz, but has 8 parallel execution pipes, and about 50GBytes/sec of memory bandwidth. Problems that don't vectorize run through the very modest 500mhz scalar unit.

    Earth simulator has realized a large percent of it's theoretical peak performance on real world simulations (often up to 50%) while most large systems approach (10%). I'm looking forward to see how well utilized Blue Gene is. Earth simulator was a direct descendant from NEC's sx-series supercomputers, which have a 20 year lineage. Blue Gene is a radical departure from IBM's regular HPC product offerings, and uses a new microkernel OS rather than clustered AIX nodes. I imagine there will be some stutter-steps in the early days of this new product, which will undoubtedly work themselves out over time.

    Great work IBM.

    1. Re:way to catch up guys. by joib · · Score: 2, Interesting


      I expect a lot of this system's performance depends on the scalability of the system software, and the compilers / libraries.


      The blue gene is an all out MPI machine. System software scalability is not that crucial, since every compute node kernel only controls 2 cpu:s. With this modest number of cpu:s per node, I'd guess it doesn't require any extreme trickery from the scalability point of view to achieve near hardware performance.

      Software-wise, all the scalability problems lie in the design of the applications.

    2. Re:way to catch up guys. by flaming-opus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's only sort-of true. Blue Gene, like asci-red, cri t3e, paragon, etc use a microkernel OS to control the compute nodes. This is basically a couple of network stacks that allow the application to use the interconnect network, and some hooks for the larger OS which runs on dedicated OS-nodes. The microkernel mostly just gets out of the way, and lets the application run balls-out on the compute nodes. Blue Gene was even designed so cleverly that MPI barriers and all-reduce are implemented as part of the interconnect network.

      But then the application does something like write(file, offset, &buffer). That can't be handled by microkernel, and must be handled by an OS node. The system call might even be handled by a different node from the I/O node connected to the disk drive. The system call is performed by a "server" on the OS node that may be part of that node's operating system, or might be a user-space daemon. Since there is only 1 thread on the compute node, it blocks until the i/o request is serviced.

      This is not a hard thing to do if there are 60 compute nodes, 2 OS nodes and 2 i/o nodes. But with 100,000 compute nodes, there would have to be hundreds or thousands of OS nodes. Far too many to run with a monolith kernel. Scalability within this pool of OS nodes is a tricky problem. Previous MPP designs have demonstated that it's really easy to get the common case working, but much much harder for a few corner cases, like concurrent un-structured writes to the same file. (which tends to happen at the beginning and end of many big MPI programs. - Remember that you don't solve a problem any faster if the machine runs 30Tflops for 2 days, and then spends 25 days putting the output data together)

      On a machine that large, check-point / restart is a big deal. Node failures are going to be common when that many components are involved. You end up with huge amounts of data, all of which needs to be written quickly, while the machine sits idle.

      These problems are well understood. MPP designers have been wrestling with them for almost 20 years now. But any new system will have some kinks and bugs to deal with. I'm sure IBM is working hard to get them solved. Thay may have it all working already, for all I know.

      You're right though, that the performance of the inner loops depends a lot on the application developers.

    3. Re:way to catch up guys. by joib · · Score: 1

      Ok, you clearly know what you're talking about, a welcome change here on /. :)

      I thought your comment about scalability of the system software meant the traditional scalability woes of SMP systems, complicated lock hierarchies and the like. Clearly the problems faced by MPP systems are different, and not as limiting since we can build MPP systems with about 2 orders of magnitude more CPU:s than shared memory systems.


      But then the application does something like write(file, offset, &buffer). That can't be handled by microkernel, and must be handled by an OS node. The system call might even be handled by a different node from the I/O node connected to the disk drive. The system call is performed by a "server" on the OS node that may be part of that node's operating system, or might be a user-space daemon.


      IIRC the compute nodes on the BG do provide some subset of POSIX, which suggests that the compute kernels forward i/o requests to the i/o nodes, which run Linux. However, the disks are not directly connected to the i/o nodes either, the i/o nodes in turn access a parallel filesystem (GPFS) shared by all i/o nodes.


      Since there is only 1 thread on the compute node, it blocks until the i/o request is serviced.


      Actually, on the BG there's 2 threads per compute node (2 cpu:s). Depending on configuration, both can compute/communicate or one can be dedicated to computation and the other to communication.


      This is not a hard thing to do if there are 60 compute nodes, 2 OS nodes and 2 i/o nodes. But with 100,000 compute nodes, there would have to be hundreds or thousands of OS nodes.


      BG does have one i/o node for every 64 compute nodes, meaning that for the full system with 130000 cpu:s, there will be about 1000 i/o nodes. I don't know how many OS nodes there are, probably not that many.

  41. 36.01 What ? by JohnHegarty · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query =teraflop

  42. Believe me buddy You'll need this kind of power.. by twoslice · · Score: 0, Funny

    When Longhorn ships....

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  43. Re:a whole bunch of tecord jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Jesus Christ, that's a lot of "tecord" jokes. I mean, wow.

    Indeed. It must surely be some kind of tecord.

  44. Google vs BlueGene by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google has *at least* 50000 computers, each one having *at least 1GHz* processor. BlueGene right now has 16250 processors. I'd say that google can toast BlueGene right now. But read the following:

    "...Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory plans to install the Blue Gene/L system next year with 130,000 processors and 64 racks, half a tennis court in size."

    130000 processors is something Google can't deal with right now! I'd say any larger search company can get its hands on something like BlueGene. I can't see how is Google going to deal with supercomputers becoming almost a comodity... I guess I'll put my money on processor companies (IBM, Intel, AMD) and stay away from search "giants".

  45. What interconnect technology are they using? by chiph · · Score: 1

    With ~16,000 processors now, and over 130,000 when it goes into production, getting all those CPUs to talk to one another is quite a challenge. Did they use infiniband? Or a proprietary interconnect, perhaps?

    Chip H.

    1. Re:What interconnect technology are they using? by joib · · Score: 5, Informative


      Did they use infiniband? Or a proprietary interconnect, perhaps?


      Proprietary. Actually, it has 3 networks, one mesh network for point-to-point communication, one tree network for collective communication and a service network for disk i/o, control, health monitoring etc. The service network is ethernet IIRC, the other two are custom.

  46. Re:Yeah, but can it run Sims 2... by geekster · · Score: 1

    That looks like a bunch of HAL's.
    I can almost hear them chanting "I'm sorry Dave... I'm sorry Dave..."

  47. Virginia Tech Supercomputer by Station · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Virginia Tech Supercomputer (take 2) is due to be clocked soon, and its also a huge off-the-shelf system. I'd like to see how they compare.

    Also, I'll be big money its already been used for gaming. What college studeny could resist?

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  48. KDE spell checker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wouldn't help. If they had used a KDE spell checker, it would have been changed to 'rekord'.

  49. Seen partial towers by gaylenek · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been down in the basement of the building, see a few of the towers 1/2 loaded (at that time), along with the massive cooling system that was added to the building to keep those racks workings. Lift up a raised floor panel and the 95 LBS of me will get lifted off the ground (or so it feels).

    Sadly, all 64 racks will never be in Roch, just not enough space.

    Actually, StarTribune has one (crappy) pic of some towers.

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  50. OK, it sounds fast, but by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny

    How long does it take it to run an infinite loop?

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  51. Standards of Measurement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, but would that be measured from the top, side, or bottom? There's about an inch difference depending on which side you measure. And with such small differences, you'd have to account for differences in excitement level... {shakes head} Metrologists in locker rooms are really scary.

  52. think they could install distcc? by HBI · · Score: 1

    This box, distcc and a cross compiler sound like a Gentoo wet dream.

    Interestingly, why aren't they using Linux as an OS? I didn't see anything about exactly what they are planning on using.

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    1. Re:think they could install distcc? by painehope · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly from the presentations I've seen on it, they will be using Linux as on OS on the "front" nodes ( the ones that users log into to start jobs, compile, etc. ), and a lightweight kernel ( proprietary ) specifically designed for Blue Gene architecture on the rest of the nodes.

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  53. Obligatory post by ning · · Score: 0, Redundant

    But does it run Doom3? (or, for that matter, Longhorn..?) Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!

  54. Nice...logo... by blakespot · · Score: 1
    What in hell is the Blue Gene logo all about??


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    1. Re:Nice...logo... by Kippesoep · · Score: 1

      If the filename is anything to go by, the thingamajig in the middle represents proteines. If they look like that, I should eat less of them...

    2. Re:Nice...logo... by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Its a protein. Like in gene.
      You know, before they redirected its usage to designing nuclear weapons, blue gene was supposed to do life-science calculation stuff...

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    3. Re:Nice...logo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like a linear protein strand folding into its secondary (and tertiary) structure...

    4. Re:Nice...logo... by be-fan · · Score: 1

      Genes are made of DNA, not proteins. Genes control the production of proteins.

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  55. Correction by PingPongBoy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    That's spelled "thruster"

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    1. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that depends on how much rice you eat...

  56. From scrolling down the page ... by gstoddart · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    What percentage of posts in the first 15 minutes will be about the spelling of the last word in the title, and what percentage about the content?


    I would have to say 100% of them. I still haven't seen an actual post about the content. :-P

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  57. Needs a better video card... by jeephistorian · · Score: 1


    "However, other supercomputers can do things Blue Gene cannot, such as produce 3-D simulations of nuclear explosions, Hirschfeld said."

    Sounds like they need a better video card!

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  58. Uh, you misspelt by blorg · · Score: 1

    ...scandles.

  59. why not linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux would have too much overhead on the compute nodes. Since they have to write all the drivers for the proprietary stuff anyway, it makes more sense to write a lightweight operating system for the compute nodes that don't need extra stuff like disks, consoles, or complicated schedulers.

    Also, Linux doesn't run on non-cache-coherent SMP's, to the best of my knowledge. These machines have nodes that are coherent in L2 and L3, but not coherent in L1. Making that work with Linux could be a very big technical challenge.

    The machine does actually use Linux, but only for the I/O nodes, which have disks and stuff attached, and to which users can connect. It's really a case of using the right tool in the right place, and for most of the machine, Linux just isn't that.

  60. Earthlings by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    People are fixated on the Earth Simulator because of what it does, not how fast it does it. Geeks care about the specs, but the normals care that it's fast enough to model the weather, which is increasingly destructive and scary. The rest of these supercomputers are used for finding oil and "perfecting" weapons, not nearly as inspiring.

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    1. Re:Earthlings by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's not fast enough to accurately model the weather, though, since for that you need a system which approaches the complexity of the system being modeled. Projections only last a couple of days with much reliability before reality rears its ugly head and reminds you that you don't have enough processing power. Being able to accurately model weather would be a good thing in most ways.

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    2. Re:Earthlings by StuartFreeman · · Score: 1

      It's going to be used to model protein folding which could lead to a cure for cancer. What was that about uninspiring?

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    3. Re:Earthlings by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I'm echoing the sentiments of the geek on the IBM team, about past supercomputers. Perhaps Blue Gene will inspire more than just geeks. But protein folding is the province of giant pharmaceutical companies, which aren't too far from the hell cirlces of oil and nuke companies. I'm inspired by it, but the public generally isn't, because they're more qualified to talk about the weather.

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  61. Speed Test Accuracy by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

    In Win 2000 this might well be true. When I ran a test on the a speed of my latest program on a 2 GHz machine, the result was in a ratio of 2.2 to 2.7 with the task manager running in the former case. The task manager consumed about 20% CPU when the system was busy.

    I realize a spell checker ought to stop as soon as it finishes scanning while task manager never stops.

    A supercomputer class speed checker would undoubtedly be fully blown, in the industrial strength class. Such software wouldn't just do the garden variety dictionary compare. It wouldn't be satisfied until it determined whether you used the correct word relative to context, whether you used the correct phrasing, and should not stop until it determined you've elucidated the precise connotation and denotation within the realm of your intentions.

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    1. Re:Speed Test Accuracy by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

      Hell, just have it do our homework, they predicted way back in the 70's that computers would be able to do kids homework by 2000. While we're at it, let's have them work on how we can start engineering cities and vehicles so we can live like the Jetsons.

  62. But.... by Oaffy · · Score: 0

    But how many FPS will it get in Doom 3??

  63. Aliasing by PingPongBoy · · Score: 2, Informative

    When you have a machine this fast the sampler cannot keep up. As a result what you see is a total distortion of reality. You may have seen this phenomenon with wagon wheel spokes rotating backward when the cart is really rolling. Thus when you read "speed record at 36.01 TFLOPS" your eyes view the letters going backwards and forwards.

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  64. how many watts? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Some google references mention 10-15 watts per node, giving about 250 kilowatts for the 16K node test machine. They were trying to stay under two megawatts for the full blown 130K, 360TF machine planned in a couple years. That is the site power capacity.

    1. Re:how many watts? by bhima · · Score: 1

      Somewhere in all the power point slides they had an image claiming lower power dissipation than an equal volume of their latest laptop

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  65. I wonder..... by DownTownMT · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    How DOOM3 would look on this Piece

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  66. Which one is it - using it or testing it? by Donny+Smith · · Score: 1

    >the VT cluster has been upgraded to the new and yet unreleased duel 2.3 GHz Xserves with ECC memory. last month was their first live month and they were testing it out by running stuff for the military.

    "upgraded", "live", "testing it" - which one is it? What the fuck does that mean - is it ready or not? It's live but it's still under testing? How can it be? It's the tests first, then going live.
    And if they're done with it, why don't they publish another (higher, if the upgrade worked) benchmark?
    If they haven't finished upgrading it or if it's running slower than the benchmark they published last year, the last result means nothing.
    Not to mention that MPI-style clusters can be upgraded rack-by-rack or even node-by-node - if they're ripping it all apart, they haven't set it up properly in the first place!

    The same is with this IBM's announcement - the god damned thing is in a fucking lab - it will be a year or so before it's actually implemented. By the time when they actually go online, there well may be some faster cluster online.
    Just another piece of PR bullshit.

    1. Re:Which one is it - using it or testing it? by The+Infamous+Grimace · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Which one is it - using it or testing it? by Donny+Smith · · Score: 1

      Thanks.

      Here's another one:
      http://www.tcf.vt.edu/

      From the page:
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      System X Upgrade:

      *
      Assembly - Completed!
      *
      System Stablization - In Progress
      *
      Benchmarking - In Progress

  67. All those TFlops by Zlorfik · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    And it still can't run Doom 3 at 60 fps.

  68. Va. Tech cluster not on current Top 500 list by Troy+Baer · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The peak of VTs System X cluster was about 17 Tflops, and the sustained rate was just over 10 (which rendered it the third place on the Top500 list).

    Except that it's not on the most recent Top 500 list anywhere.

    Remember how Va. Tech replaced all 1100 G5 nodes with G5 XServes a few months ago? Well, when you do something like that, you have to rerun and resubmit the benchmark. Va. Tech were not able to get the machine back together soon enough to rerun the benchmark in time to make the last list; there's even a big caveat about it on the Top 500 home page.

    (It's also not clear that the original version of the Va. Tech machine ever did anything other than run that benchmark, but that's another matter.)

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    1. Re:Va. Tech cluster not on current Top 500 list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      (It's also not clear that the original version of the Va. Tech machine ever did anything other than run that benchmark, but that's another matter.)

      Does anything like that ever REALLY run anything other than benchmarks? We have clusters where I work, but they rarely see any real computations.

    2. Re:Va. Tech cluster not on current Top 500 list by Troy+Baer · · Score: 1
      Does anything like that ever REALLY run anything other than benchmarks? We have clusters where I work, but they rarely see any real computations.

      If anything, we have the opposite problem where I work. Our clusters are so heavily utilized (averaging around 80-90% for the last couple months) that we've had a hard time freeing up enough nodes to run benchmarks and do preventative maintenance.

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    3. Re:Va. Tech cluster not on current Top 500 list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I've run jobs on a supercomputer (one in the top ten on the top500 list...)

      Except during the first month or so of operation there was always a queue of jobs waiting to run. In fact, applying to use that computer is almost exactly like writing a grant proposal, except that the good proposals are awarded CPU hours instead of money.

      In scientific computation, researchers can always use faster computers. The accuracy and scope of the models will expand to fill available computational resources.

  69. When I first heard of Blue Gene by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

    Being innerested in protein folding I saw an article on Blue Gene being invented to be used for simulating the folding of a protein with the full use of quantum mechanic calculations. The computer was to be so fast it would take just one year of execution time to simulate a full fold.

    A few years the fastest supercomputers were being built to simulate atomic explosions including the first computer to break the teraflops barrier.

    The Earth Simulator was built for peaceful purposes. Blue Gene is in name motivated by genetics.

    I know atomic bombs explode and kill a lot of people. Those things work. I want to know how proteins fold. Are we to understand that funding for supercomputer research must be driven by the arms race?

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    1. Re:When I first heard of Blue Gene by Donjo · · Score: 1

      I wonder how long it would take it to surpass the top 5 folding teams? Heh, probably like a week...ish.

  70. Obligatory by taobill · · Score: 0, Troll

    1. This is an item about IBM, so someone has to mention SCO. 2. "All your Supercomputer are belong to us"

  71. Thats nice for IBM but real computing power.. by museumpeace · · Score: 4, Informative

    comes from building hardware for a specific task. Unfortunately most of you can't access this little bit of nerd heaven but some incredibly cool hardware architectures are being described at the High Performance Embedded Computing conference. Sky and Mercury have some of their hottest new designs here. How about a machine that can do a 256 mega-sample FFT in real time?, or a self configuring supercomputer on a chip? Of course most of these tricks will never escape the lab except for the speed-ups for rendering engines...one place where gamers and the DOD are driving technology in a dead heat race with lots of winners. Besides, in a few months, something will come along that will go even faster than blue gene.

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    1. Re:Thats nice for IBM but real computing power.. by museumpeace · · Score: 2, Interesting

      oh, if forgot to mention: I don't think you can fit Blue Gene into any UAV unless you count running a Boeing 747 on autopilot and stuffing it to the gills with computer and diesel generators. the computers proposed at HPEC are mostly very mobile.

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    2. Re:Thats nice for IBM but real computing power.. by cyberassasin · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you mean Sky Computer. Not the news network..... Other than that, right on....

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    3. Re:Thats nice for IBM but real computing power.. by museumpeace · · Score: 1

      hmmm, how embarrassing,...like the instruction says: "did you check the links?"

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    4. Re:Thats nice for IBM but real computing power.. by evilviper · · Score: 1
      don't think you can fit Blue Gene into any UAV unless you count running a Boeing 747 on autopilot and stuffing it to the gills with computer

      According to what I've read, it is only the size of a few refridegrators. At that size, even a small passenger aircraft could hold it. A cesna would probably be too small.

      and diesel generators.

      What's the point in this? A 747 already has 4 jet engines, which can generate huge ammounts of electricity if needed. At worst, you'd have to retrofit the jet's engines with a bigger electrical generator attached to them.
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    5. Re:Thats nice for IBM but real computing power.. by museumpeace · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, I shoulda checked my facts. But doesn't B/G need some pretty effetive airconditioning to operate? Maybe that bigger-than-a-cesna better run with the windows rolled down. (which wont't bother an autopilot much ;)

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    6. Re:Thats nice for IBM but real computing power.. by evilviper · · Score: 1

      A forward-facing duct would do the job very well. Not only is the wind going at great speed, but the air at higher altitudes is much, much cooler than on the ground. You'd have to have a series of filters of some sort, to reduce the windspeed down to very few MPH, but that wouldn't be very difficult to work out.

      That works while it's flying, but presumably, the computer would have to be up and running before the aircraft takes off. This would be a challenge. Either it would have to be worked-out so the aircraft are all based in cold-weather areas (Colorado, Alaska, North Dakota, etc) or they would need to find a way for the craft to tap into a stationary air cooling system on the premises. How expensive that would be, I don't know.

      It would have to detach from the stationary cooling system to take-off, but with engines at full throtle, the aircraft's own cooling system should be enough. Not having to pressurize the cabin would take quite a load off of it.

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  72. RAM... by God+speaking · · Score: 1

    If I remember correctly, the Blue Gene set up has comparitively little ram. 3-D numerical simulations, like I do, almost always need a lot of ram in order to store the values of the field at all the grid points. O(N^3) indeed...

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  73. Dick wagging by microsopht · · Score: 1
    "That an American vendor and an American application has won back the No. 1 spot -- that's the main significance of this." With regard to yesterdays story of Chandrayan-Moon mission ,To all those who asked if it was dick wagging competition , Looks like americans are indeed dick wagging.
  74. Mac Rumor Sites by Chief+Typist · · Score: 2, Funny

    So how long will it take before a Mac rumor site predicts that this CPU will be in the next PowerBook?

    -ch

    1. Re:Mac Rumor Sites by tubbtubb · · Score: 1

      I actually read a similar rumor a few months back, basically it was a powerbook with 4 PPC440s and the same SIMD FPU, not fully SMP but using a message passing interface.
      A quick google search reveals nothing, however.

  75. Thank you! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    If I had mod points I would let you have one but I don't so instead I must write this note. Thank you for specifying that your link was to a PDF. It's terrible having to wait for ages acrobat to load because you clicked a PDF in your web browser instead of just loading it in acrobat.

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    1. Re:Thank you! by Destoo · · Score: 1

      You're using adobe reader 6?

      Disable unnecessary plugins

      Adobe Reader 6.0 for Windows loads lots of unused plugins on startup. The Inquirer has a great article explaining how you can disable those unneeded plugins and make Adobe Reader load faster. Basically, you need to do the following:

      1. Install Adobe Reader 6.0 and notice where it is installed.
      2. Navigate to that folder in Explorer, locate the plug_ins subfolder and rename this folder to plug_ins_disabled.
      3. Create a new plug_ins folder.
      4. Move the files EWH32.api, printme.api and search.api from plug_ins_disabled to plug_ins.

      ##########

      With the files listed, you get half the load time on low-end systems, and a 2-sec load time on high-end ones. Still, you might want to prefer using Acrobat Reader 4.05 on old systems, since it loads in just seven seconds instead of 20.
      --the inquire article

      It's right in front of the faq but it took me ages to find that one.

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    2. Re:Thank you! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Using old versions of acrobat means you can't open some files. Additionally acrobat 5 and 6.0.1 and 6.0 have a security hole... Thanks very much for your assistance though, this ought to help considerably.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  76. How do u calculate human figure? by microsopht · · Score: 1
    How on earth does someone calculate the calculation speed of humans?

    There simply cannot be a perfectly correct method for doing it.You [not exactly you] measure power by comparing Human Neurons and Computer nodes ,huh? What is the proof that it is correct?
    And to top it, though all humans have essentially same structure of brain, a lot could vary.

    YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE POWER OF HUMAN BRAIN IS


    Probably Infinite.
  77. Processor Failure. by microsopht · · Score: 1

    So what happens when some of the 130000 processors fail?Will it continue to work properly?can they be replaced individually?
    And in a rare case that despipte the cooling provided a processor burns ,what could happen to the full system?

    1. Re:Processor Failure. by thpr · · Score: 2, Informative
      So what happens when some of the 130000 processors fail? ...

      You deserve some credit for using "when", not "if" (IMHO)

      The system is designed to work around failure. In the original protein folding simluation, the plan was (among other things) to checkpoint the system every hour in order to be able to restart if a failure occurred. In fact, the original expectation was that a processor would fail every few days (that presentation has since been taken down by IBM... was originally named "BlueGenePublic.pdf" ... I can't find it anywhere on the 'net anymore :( ). Failure detection is through a series of ECC bits attached to most of the data transfers and calculations. The software is also specifically written to check any points where conservation is true (meaning there is redundancy in the application and calculations are checked to ensure no errors). The mesh network that others have referred to also allows nodes which are not functioning to be worked around before they are replaced.

      The processors cannot be replaced individually, but the boards (with 2 chips and memory) could be. As far as burning, the processor will often fail in a detectable way (meaning produce incorrect results) long before the device goes (literally) up in smoke. So I would expect the system would be able to disable the failed device long before its a problem. This may be part of what the Linux OS (which oversees 64 of the small processors) is doing. On a wider scale, the designers are smart enough that there are likely temperature sensors in the system that will slow (or shut down) the system if a heat problem is encountered.

  78. Oh.. har-de-har-har.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The point of the article is that it's faster. The grandparent's comment combined with the article is: "hey, it's faster, smaller and uses less power!"

    You comment is asinine at best, abso-fucking-lutely stupid at worst.

    1. Re:Oh.. har-de-har-har.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In vacuum they both fall at the same speed.

      So it can't be faster.

  79. Re:Virginia Tech Supercomputer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, I'm sure they're all not playing Doom3.

  80. It only took them 2 years ... by BlueSteel · · Score: 1

    I feel it's worth mentioning that if you look at the Earth Simulator's event calendar, you can see the Earth Simulator was tested and working in April of 2002. It's amazing it has taken so long for someone to beat their Linpack score... Two years is an eternity in the computing world. Good job NEC, you had a great run!

  81. 36 TFlops. Great, but ... by Mark+Trade · · Score: 1

    ... how many FPS?

  82. How about a nice game of Chess ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > No.

    > Fine.

    Beginning Simulation...

  83. SOME SOME SENCE PLEASE! by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 1
    How many WAV-to-MP3/second is this?

  84. Re:Virginia Tech Supercomputer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually I heard it gets 1Quadrillion PetaFONTops, in that they are able to choose fonts 1 Quadrillion times faster than the average art major using a single Apple.

  85. IBM vs. SGI by nboscia · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder how this compares to the one NASA is building, which is being collaborated with Intel and SGI. Since you can't base performance simply on the number of processors, it should be interesting.

  86. Finally by evil+crash · · Score: 0, Troll

    A machine actually capable of playing Doom3.

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    "Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."-THG
  87. yeah, but... by demonbug · · Score: 1

    The bluegene may be faster, but the Earth Simulator sure looks cooler. Obviously, this proves that the Earth Simulator is the superior (superer?) computer.

  88. Re:More detail, Indeed! Thank you! by tubbtubb · · Score: 1

    I worked on it and I didn't even know this got published!
    Thanks for pointing this out, now I can add this publication to my cv:)
    (I'm M Tubbs, see page 1. I worked on the SIMD FPU)

  89. That will save a lot of space. by dreadlock9 · · Score: 1

    IBM only used 8 racks to accomplish that speed, while the Earth Simulator has 320 processor node cabinets and 64 interconnect cabinets. The ES's grid design looks neat though.

  90. "Farms" vs Supercomputers by r3jjs · · Score: 1

    Not all projects work well in a highly distributed kind of setting.

    Tasks that can be worked on pretty much independently such as finding primes or the SETI@HOME will work find on whatever system can be cobbled together. (To see if n is a prime you don't care of n-2 or n+2 is also a prime. Every integer can be tested for primeness regardless of other numbers.)

    Other kinds of computing need to share a great deal more information between the processors. Weather simulation, geological studies, etc. (To understand what data you have at point x,y it is useful to check the areas around that for something similiar.)

    For these kind of tasks, the best system we have come up with far is a super computer with the processors jammed as close to each other as we can put them.

  91. Moore's Hope by eamonman · · Score: 1

    IBM said its still-unfinished BlueGene/L System, named fot its ability to model the folding of human ptoteins, can sustain speeds of 36 tetaflops.

    Hopefully we will actually be celebrating 36 tetaflops in 10*18 months = 15 years. Maybe then they'll have the computing capacity to figure out why I can't wake up at 7 for work but I can wake up at 6 for golf ;)

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  92. Supercomputing 2004 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will surely be one of the main highlights at Supercomputing 2004 (Nov 6-12). Expect IBM to present a lot more data at the show. Many people will be interested in seeing their utilization numbers. I've heard a rumor that it may amazingly high. There's also a rumor that IBM has intentionally under-reported the TFlop number by a significant margin. Why they would do that is unclear, unless they were worried about someone else stealing their thunder before the show. We should learn a lot more in a bit over a month.

  93. Your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Karma tarts! These girls* will do anything for slashdot karma.

    * Not actual girls

  94. Wagging. by valder · · Score: 1

    In regards to the Virgin Galatic thread a couple days ago -- To all those who said they'd bet on Japan because they had the "fastest" computer -- looks like many should foot = mouth. Bah -- this has nothing to do with anything. Globalistic(global nationalism? facism?) mindset of everyone v. America is starting to get frighteningly trite. valder.

  95. IBM creates fastest super model in the world by xski · · Score: 1

    Yeah, this is all old news now (from yesterday, omg), but you have to love this headline:

    IBM creates fastest super model in the world

  96. SCO Unix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So pay up!

    -Darl

  97. Finally by lag10s · · Score: 0

    Finally someone beat the Earth Simulator! I'm surprised IBM's stock didn't go sky high.

  98. Obligatory Simpsons Reference: by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

    Marge: You know Homey, The "E" doesn't work on that typewriter.
    Homer: We don't need no stinkin' "E".
    Restaurant Review? ... no.
    Eatery Evaluation? ... no.
    Food Box: Go or No Go by Homer ... no ... Earl! ... no ... Bill Simpson.
    -- "Guss Who's Coming To Criticiz Dinnr?"

  99. High-End Crusader Responds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HPCWire

    On Wednesday, IBM claimed title to the world's fastest supercomputer by reporting that a Blue Gene/L system sited at the IBM lab in Rochester, Minnesota had achieved a Linpack-benchmark performance of 36.01 TFs/s, narrowly edging out the Linpack-benchmark performance of the Earth Simulator, which is only 35.86 TFs/s. Since the Earth Simulator has a peak performance of 40.96 TFs/s and this particular Blue Gene/L system has a peak performance of just over 45 TFs/s, the Earth Simulator is sustaining a somewhat higher fraction of its peak on Linpack. IBM has accomplished something. Still, before breaking out the champagne, we are advised to step back and try to gain some perspective about what these numbers mean. They certainly mean something but may not bear all the weight that is being put on them by the media and marketing people.

    In truth, the Linpack race is becoming a private party for Linux clusters. The winner is just the biggest cluster at the time that doesn't break and has a few robust locality mechanisms that exploit the abundance of local and global spatial and temporal locality in the Linpack benchmark. If the machine being developed at NASA achieves a peak of 50 TFs/s and does not sink beneath 80% efficiency on Linpack, it will beat both the current Earth Simulator and this particular configuration of Blue Gene/L.

    But just how valuable is it to win the Linpack race? How much, if anything, does this have to do with developing a general-purpose parallel computer that can tackle the full range of problems this nation needs to solve? What is a _general-purpose_ parallel computer anyway?

    The original working title of the most recent High-End Crusader article in HPCwire ("High-End Computing Needs Radical Programming Change" [108384]) was "High-Productivity General-Purpose Parallel Computing". The plan for that article was to combine two themes. First, as has been often argued here, there is a natural division between high-bandwidth applications/algorithms, which---in the _most_ demanding case---engage in frequent fine-grained long- range communication and thus require strongly parallel, high-bandwidth systems in order to be computed efficiently, and low-bandwidth applications/algorithms, which---in the _least_ demanding case---engage in infrequent coarse-grained short-range communication and thus may be computed efficiently on almost any parallel architecture, including weakly parallel, low-bandwidth systems such as Linux clusters.

    Second, as has often been suggested here, conventional parallel machines, i.e., clusters of scalar SMP nodes that communicate among themselves using MPI, have become increasingly burdensome to program. In particular, severe nonuniformity of memory access has led to tight coupling of control and data decomposition. This has produced an unfortunate tradeoff between locality and parallelism for high performance on a given architecture. The solution to this problem is a synergistic mix of architectural improvements and improvements in the programming-language system, in particular the design of new programming abstractions and language constructs for general-purpose parallel programming.

    Why does language enter here? Well, do computer architects need reminding that architecture and language are inextricably linked and that, to improve either, we need to improve both? Programming languages obviously need architectural support but they themselves lead to such things as 1) relieving the burden of parallel programming to enhance programmer productivity, 2) allowing fine-grained anonymous communication, 3) exploiting diverse forms of parallelism and locality, and 4) driving computer architecture in the right direction.

    Also, the current design thrust in high-bandwidth systems is to combine a broad range of parallelism mechanisms with a broad range of locality mechanisms---all compatible with each other---so that no form of parallelism and no form of locality need be left on the "compiler-room" floor. But given our fail