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SCO To Counter Groklaw With 'Fair' Coverage
linuxwrangler writes "Tired of being 'flamed, dissected and dismissed' on Groklaw, SCO has decided to fight back. SCO's site, scheduled for launch on November 1, will be called prosco.net. Just yesterday SCO CEO and favorite /. whipping-boy Darl McBride gave a speech comparing the software industry to the 'wild west' and warning companies that they must protect their intellectual property or risk being 'sacked by open source-touting bandits.'"
And in tonight's news, Fox News is sueing SCO over the use of the word Fair! SCO allegedly plans to countersue saying they've got prior art on using litigation to stifle competition!
More at 11!
"The new gold is IP," McBride said. ...SCO soon to become ghost town, after unsuccessfully mining the Linux kernel and not finding one itty bitty nugget.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
McBride the sheriff of Naughtingham?
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Unix is very user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are.
that they'll have a public forum open long enough to get their comments debunked on their own site! :-D
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But can they get anyone to read them ?
It will be even better if they do comment on what groklaw is convering. The SEC takes a dim view about companies making false statements about their business.
...because they'll get sued by Fox for infringing on intellectual property.
Absolutely. Everyone's going to believe SCO's official version. Oh yes.
"The dew has clearly fallen with a particularly sickening thud this morning"
I guess when you can't fight on the side of truth then you can always try and rewrite it after the fact.
See Darl? This is why the old guard from Caldera warned you not to go after the 'open source crowd'. Your page of lies will be dissected by hundreds of others on Groklaw. The best thing is, this time instead of shooting off your mouth, your words will be in some web cache.
Choose your topics wisely Darl. You will be watched...
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
I thought it was supposed to be more like the High Seas... ya know with the pirates and all that!
How do these things keep changing on me??
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How long before they have to shut off comments or block users en masse because the comments and postings are all negative.
I'm betting that IF they allow user input to be posted it will be heavily censored. It would have to be. SCO has zero friends. That's what happens when you sue your own freakin' customers!
Actually his analogy can be quite true, well, not true about what he has claimed, but the way the whole software industry is working FOR the patents/copyrights/trademarks rather than channeling the resources into something more useful, like Practical Properties?
Uselessful technology (Air-Charged
darl left out why they got .net vs. .com and .org
basically, since shark^H^H^H^H^Hlawyer fees have gone through the roof, and licensing hasn't been too hot lately, they could only afford one domain. they drew straws, and bingo
vodka, straight up, thank you!
Darl McBride. F.O.A.D.
OK, we all knew the SCO guys were lacking a few parts of brain mass that most others posess, but this is really something. What marketing guy said "let's launch a site called ProSCO under the flag of 'fair coverage of the events', everyone will believe us!"?
It's a universal mantra of any company involved in litigation. "We are unable to comment due to ongoing litigation". Now they're going to be reguarly commenting on active litigation on multiple fronts. They are breaking yet another fundamental rule of the universe (the first being, don't piss off the entire world in a ridiculous attempt to enrich yourself).
I'm a big tall mofo.
Instead of saying:
They will say:
....a former "open-source bandit". The fact that SCO has turned around from being a Linux vendor to a software sheriff undermines every argument that they have. That and the fact that, the old west may have had bandits, but it was those same bandits that turned around and eventually settled down and founded Las Vegas. And who doesn't like Vegas ?
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As annoying and frustrating as it can be, idiots of this caliber must be allowed to demonstrate why those who know better, know better.
prosco.net
The SCO group
etc. etc.
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I read this as procto.net. I figgured maybe they were just pulling propaganda out of their butts.
I, for one, welcome our new by Open Source-touting bandit overlords!
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No, let's not.
Why don't we, instead, just completely ignore SCO and McBride and their ilk, and just let IBM pick their bones. The only press they are getting is when Linux supporters react to McMouth's gasings. So, NO responses to any 'news' articles, or anything else about SCO and their attempted theft of the Linux kernel and associated utilities will do more to make McBride look the fool he is than any of our responses. He's old news. Forget him.
anything from McBride. McBride is doing the flaming, stealing, etc, trying to tarnish IBM, Linux, Novell, and anyone else who might be "against" SCO.
A site by SCO supporting SCO using SCO facts. I am guessing that knuckle dragging Darl doesn't see the credibility problem with such a site. He continues to respond to his critics by morphing into an angry child on a playground yelling and screaming at the other kids who won't play fair.
http://www.busyweather.com/
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prosco isn't so bad, especially when you consider the alternatives:
o .comm .com
ilovesco.com
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chicksdigsc
mcbrideforprez.com
gaysforsco.com
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"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
If anyone actually reads this site it's only going to be for the comic relief.
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So when exactly is the next big event in the continuing disintegration of SCO's legal cases? Isn't a major ruling in the IBM case going to be handed down soon concerning IBM's motion to dismiss or whatever?
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This was posted on Yahoo recently. Elsewhere it's been noted that SCO doesn't currently own prosco.com or prosco.org. Any takers?
/tr-directory/subcat/proflist.idc?sequence=1161
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Here's a fun, and very, uh, fitting tidbit. The *previous* owner of the prosco.net domain was called Prosco Ventures, a sweatshop apparel exporter out of Sri Lanka:
http://www.tradenetsl.lk
Meanwhile, SCO may have a fight on their hands over their use of the "prosco" name. They've registered prosco.net, but there are a number of companies out there named Prosco, any of whom probably has a better claim on the domain than SCO does. I'm sure any of them could make a good case that their brands & trademarks would be harmed by the potential for confusion with SCO.
Prosco, Inc., is an industrial equipment manufacturer in the Chicago area.
http://www.prosco-inc.com/
There's also a Circle-Prosco, Inc., a maker of chemicals for the metal finishing industry.
http://www.circleprosco.com/
There's a company called PROSCO, for "Promotional and Supply Services Co.", in Saudi Arabia.
http://www.prosco.com.sa/
Prosco Internacional S.A. de C.V. is out of Mexico City. I'm not sure what they do, though their home page has a link titled "Candy Recycling". Hmm.
http://www.proscoint.com/
Chisholm Corp., formerly Prosco Products, Inc., does filtration products.
http://www.proscoproducts.com/
Isn't this like MSNBC reporting on Microsoft, or MSN.com having "News" about the great new features of MSN messenger?
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"The open source movement says that proprietary software shouldn't exist. They say that the operating system should be free, but that's a slippery slope," McBride said. "There's 12 million developers worldwide, are you gonna let their work be free?"
Yes?
Indeed it is the Wild West over here...
Only that it's the other way araund. Big companies sack the Open Source Community, ridicolously pateting things like double click, Autorun, or who know what the USPTO might bring us in the near future.
These companies are the real bandits, taking advantage of our lack of resources against their legion of lawyers...
is positioning for the role of "Robber Baron".
Somebody should tell him that Bill Gates has that job sewed up.
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At first I thought prosco.com was for pros. co., as in "A Prosecuting Company". That about sums it up.
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remember kids,
fair and balanced!
You've gotta be kidding me! SCO is going to open up a whole site mouthing off while they're still in the middle of a court case?
Quick! Some one start an egg timer to see how long it takes before the Judge sees something SCO wrote on there and takes their heads off for it.
"We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
The new web site will be known as... SCOfflaw.net
I think he meant it's the new FOOL'S gold."
-r
Just because something is free does not mean you have to take it.
Which is rather fitting. I imagine that Darl's putting on the rubber gloves right now for visitors to the site. Prosco - the only site on the web that offers a free rectal exam before they completely screw you over.
Slashdot - the place where you can look like a genius by restating the obvious
The name suggests that it will do little to fill the void in objective reporting...
He has huge stones, I'll give him that.
McBride saying that the FOSS community are trying to take away his precious IP is ... I just tried to think of an analogue and I couldn't.
What hulking brass ones! How does he walk?
sigs, as if you care.
The problem is that you just have to put the "pro-sco" meme out there, and it will lodge in some PHB brain, and force the underlings to repeat it in meetings.. and so the meme grows. Its sort of like the "any press is good press" idea. With the Microsoftie meme closely allied against the Open-Source meme, many offices will follow the sco thought... a shame, but true.
meh
It's got to be here somewhere....
Same old FUD from SCO.
Move along, nothing to see here.
$8.95/mo web hosting
comparing the software industry to the 'wild west'
"You poor excuse for a Cowboy, get your gun out and get to work."
- D. Holiday
Darl has it bass-ackwards - SCO is the bandit here... Maybe he's trying to position himself to run for POTUS (President Of The USa). He'd certainly fit in this year. 8^(
I actually corrected a typo in the article before submitting this story but the original was more amusing. It warned of "open souce" toting bandits. Conjurs up an image of a robber hauling around a public drunk.
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There's enough potential victims to go around.
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...companies that they must protect their intellectual property or risk being 'sacked by open source-touting bandits.'
As is so often the case, the question here is "how is this issue any more relevant to Open Source than it is to proprietary software?"
Is there any reason to believe that open source developers (who have every reason to believe that they would be caught) would be more likely than closed-source developers (who have a much smaller chance of getting caught) to "steal" someone else's IP?
Damn those evil open source developers! Always stealing my IP, and me with no way to tell, or prove it. You know, unless I look at the code or something. Damn them! And God bless the closed source developers, who don't show me their code, but whom I trust implicitly anyway.
Have to run netcraft server search on it when comes up to see if it's hosted on a Winders box using IIS and hidden in a Redmond bunker site.
Too lazy to create a sig...
Does that rhyme with Bosco?
Infuriate left and right
I guess they figured that it'd be a waste of money springing for a two-year registration. It's not like there'll be anybody there left to renew the domain next October after they've been left as a smouldering caldera...
Consultancy: If you're not part of the solution, there's money to be made in prolonging the problem
Darl has run this once innovative and successful company so far into the ground that they see 'the competition' as PJ/Groklaw.
So now it's not about IBM, it's not about UNIX, it's not about Linux, it's not about 'Intellectual Property'.
Now it's about a lone ex-paralegal who had the balls (and i mean that in the nicest way possible) to tell it like it is.
We can't have that, can we Darl? God forbid anyone actually accept a version of events that corresponds with legal and technical realities instead of simply believing whatever stupid lies you cooked up after another hard night on the Canopy crackpipe.
Whats next, are you going to come up with an alternate justice system because no court in the US will accept SCO's ridiculous legal 'arguments' either?
People *hate* what you and your company are doing, Mr. McBride.
It is wrong, and no amount of P.R. spin will change that. Shame on you.
I gots ta ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long
Nobody really cares about SCOX any more.
Nobody is going to buy SCO as an ongoing business because IBM has huge counterclaims against them. Remember, IBM is sueing SCO for stealing IBM code. IBM released IBM code into Linux under the GPL. Then SCO resold it, but refused to accept their obligations under the GPL. So IBM revoked SCO's implied license under the GPL, which the GPL allows, and is sueing them for major copyright violations. And IBM can show (and has shown) exact copying of megabytes of IBM code by SCO.
We're getting close to the day when some of IBM's summary judgement motions get decided. If IBM wins any of those, SCO is in deep trouble. At that point, no spin control will help SCO.
As long as we're comparing to American western history, let's take a more comparable example: General Custer.
1. Rumor has it the guy was a lunatic by the time he decided to attack the natives. Check.
2. He and his little army set out to battle against an opponent with a larger head-count. Check.
3. The natives didn't have a choice: Custer was pretty much set on attacking them no matter what they did. Check.
4. The natives were fighting for existence. Custer for glory. Check.
5. The end result was the glorifying of Custer and a signature point in the demise of the Native American population. Let's hope squashing SCO doesn't backfire into some sort of us against them attitude with big business.
You are checking your backups, aren't you?
Am I the only one who thinks this might just be one of SCO's biggest PR gunblasts to their own foot in quite a while?
I'm not sure if they could've given Groklaw more legitimacy if they tried.
Who are they aiming at? Certainly they must understand that they have no chance whatsoever at building up the kind of community and following Groklaw has?
So who, then? Journalists? Which journalist is going to quote 'pro-SCO.net' as a source? And if they do, in the future, it's hardly likely they'd do it without quoting Groklaw.. now that they're officially 'the other side'.
(The question of who, in such an exchange, is going to come out sounding more trustworthy is left as an exercise for the reader.)
McBride is right about it being the Wild West, but it's more like the railroads vs the farmers and small merchants. The rail roads would come in and pull all kinds of stunts to get what they wanted and at times wipe out entire towns, usually under color of law with the sheriff working to further their interests. I've lost count the number of Kevin Costner-type movies that were made about such subjects, with the good guys coming out as something less than winners.
... sort of thankful.
McBride is merely a sheriff working for his boss (Microsoft, Sun, etc) and looking to bring some good old "law" to The West on their behalf. I have no idea what to call IBM and Novell. They'd kill us tomorrow if it suited their interests, but I guess for the moment they are the gun slinging Clint Eastwood types that have a disdain for the townsfolk, but really, really, really hate the corrupt sheriff, his henchmen and the railroad goons. I guess we should be
So McBride's notion about it being The Wild West is actually pretty accurate, with SCO representing the interests of the railroads and robber barons.
Why do you think when you were getting shafted in the old days the term often used was "This was a railroad job" or "We railroaded those guys off the map" and so on... it was because the railroads had lots of power and generally screwed over the little guy.
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Expires on: 04-OCT-05
Last Updated on: 04-OCT-04
Obviously, SCO feels that they aren't going to be around after this date... or one would think they would at least have bothered to splash out the extra cash for a 2-year reg rather than just a 1-year reg.
"Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting wuntime ewwors!" - Elmer Fudd
that prosco.net was still available?
Meanwhile so far Darl's public statements have done nothing but hurt him in the actual courtroom. Recent IBM filings have used public statements made by SCO against them. I imagine in the coming months prosco.net postings will show up in legal filings against SCO as well.
That said, once this site goes up someone should start keeping a local mirror of it to make sure that if prosco says something that turns out to be embarrassing later, they can't just remove it.
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Okay, one more word: idiots.
Another one bites the dust
At least as far as HE is concerned. If there was ever a man who should be characterized as "all hat, no cattle", that would be Darl.
So, I ditch the eyepatch, get a slightly more modern pistol, and move the bandana from covering my head to just covering the lower half of my face.
Got it.
Raptor
"Procrastination is great. It gives me a lot more time to do things that I'm never going to do."
BWAHAAHAAHAAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!
*deeep breath*
BWAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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Come on... This is Oct 12th not April 1st!
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
I mean...naw...well, maybe...
Is it possible that SCO actually believes what they've been peddling? Is it possible that they're so gullible that they actually believe themselves?
They must be gullible if they think anyone will give credance to what they post on their own prosco site.
Isn't sco.com pro-SCO already? Need they register a new domain name to make it a point that the company is, in fact, pro-themselves? I guess they had nothing new to say, so had to do *something* to keep themselves in the news.
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You know it's just got to be a honey pot, right? I'm guessing they are trying to bait someone into hacking the new web site in hopes of making the Open Source community look bad to the press and to the courts. Remember, they already claimed Open Source advocates attacked their main web site a while back... but now they'll spin it as us trying to censor free speach. It's a setup to try and identify our Open Source community with the evil dregs of computing, script kiddies.
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Besides, if the site does get slashdotted McBride will just claim it was "hacked" by Linux zealots.
Obviously no one is going to go to prosco.com, surely not even the PHBs in SCO think that. Perhaps the purpose of this web site is just to dilute the DOSing they're constantly under by giving people more target.
Not that I suggest DOSing under any circumstances...no matter how stupid the recipient might be.
Kind thoughts do not change the world
SCO is a company with good intentions. Remember, fellas: they developed the original Unix from scratch with punch cards and tweezers and jumpers and things.
Now they're being picked on by all these dangerous firms on the edge of legality like "International Business Machines" (clearly a front for the communist and/or nazi party) and an irregular army of anarchist hacker geniuses.
I mean, seriously, if SCO doesn't turn this thing around, what WILL happen to Unix?
After all, they won't be the first to release a news portal defending their brand (see Microsft, above all), and it really can't hurt to have a little more on the other side of the story.
Well, I mean, maybe some of you slashdotters go around and read your news in several different forumbs, but I myself just stick to slashdot, Groklaw, and a few other completely Anti-SCO sites.
Sure, I can read the press releases when reported on their site, but the in depth coverage of the SCO trial, well, I follow it through Groklaw.
So, having a little more light on what Darl is saying, directly from his website, well, it really doesn't hurt anyone. At least it shouldn't, if we are so right and he is so wrong, and everything he says can be so quickly dismissed.
I'm confident hi's a dick, but I'd like a little more argument than the "I read it on an Anti-SCO site". I'd like to say: "I read his site and it's clear what a liar he is."
I am not a bandit. I prefer swashbuckling buckaneer thank you.
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> SCO To Counter Groklaw With 'Fair' Coverage
I suppose they can't really hope for "good" coverage.
Prosecute Sco ... Honestly, it's the fist thing that popped into my mind when I read "prosco.net". ;)
Or at least I think it would be fun to have a field day with this:
:)
Darl: I've learned something, too: selling out is sweet because when you sell out, you get to make a lot of money, and when you have money, you don't have to hang out with a bunch of poor asses like you guys. Screw you guys, I'm going home.
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Linus: Wow! That's a lot of seamen, Darl.
Darl: Yeah, I bought all that I could at this bank, and then I got the rest from this guy Ralph in an alley.
RMS: That's cool.
Darl: Yeah, and the sweet thing is, the stupid asshole didn't even charge me money for it. He just made me close my eyes and suck on a hose.
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Darl: Why is it that everything today has to do with things either going in or coming out of my ass?
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Darl: Now stop wasting Bill Gates' time, you little pussy prick.
Linus: Don't take that tone with me, kid. I'll kick your ass.
Darl: Yah. Well, I'd like to see you try. I'm, like, 6 feet tall.
RMS: Yah. Well, you sound like a little bitch to me.
Darl: Bitch! Don't call me bitch, bitch!
RMS: Bring it on then, bitch!
Darl I already brung it, bitch. I brung it, opened it, and set it on the table, bitch.
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IBM Executive: How would you like to go meet with our litigation counselor?
Darl: How would you like to suck my balls?
IBM Executive: What did you just say?!
Darl: Oh, I'm sorry (Clears throat and pulls out megaphone), actually what I said was, "How would you like to suck my balls?"
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Linus: The note (from Carly Fiorina) says to meet her at Stark's Pond after meeting.
Linus: Whoa, maybe you can kiss her.
Darl: Or slip a little tongue.
RMS: [mumbles] Or slide a finger up her pussy.
Linus: I didn't know she had a cat.
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Darl: That judge rulling has warped my fragile little mind.
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Darl: I hate linux hippies! I mean, the way they always talk about "protectin' the earth" and then drive around in cars that get poor gas mileage and wear those stupid bracelets - I hate 'em! I wanna kick 'em in the nuts!
Darl: Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.
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Darl: Don't worry, Tweek. Your family can go on welfare. RMS's family's on welafare and they're happy, isn't that right, RMS?
RMS: Fuck you.
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Darl: Linus, I am out of control. Yeah, I use drugs. I can do what I waunt, biatch! Yeah, I have sex, and I don't use protection! It's my hot body; I'll do what I waunt! I don't go to school and I kill people! What-evah! I'll do what I waunt!
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RMS: Does anybody know anything about corporations?
Darl: I think my mom is a corporation.
Linus (sarcastically): Yeah, that makes sense.
aah, it's just an excuse
You can't handle the truth.
I feel like Darl is the kid in grammar school who always got beat up in dodge ball but kept coming back for more because he thought the other kids thought he was cool.
Darl... GO AWAY!!!!
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A fox news for open source
Hey lets ask Al Gore, after all he is the one who invented it!
Don't you see, this is SCO's next step in their vexatious litigation strategy. They're going to launch their Pro-SCO site and open up the forums. Then when the masses of FOSS supporters flock to the forums to debunk all of SCO's claims, SCO will be secretly recording their IP addresses, personal information, etc.
Then they'll take their newly acquired information and track you down so they can sue you! Then they'll be rich Rich RICH!
MWAHAHA MWAHAHAHA MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Come on boys, lets sack us some code. Come on, don't screw around with those header files, go for the guts! I want sys.c, user.c, sched.c... what, io.sys, how'd that get there? I want it all!! Are we or are we not open-source bandits? Let's act like it then. Come on boys!!!
Do you see the sig? Do you have it in your sights? Why yes, Miss Moneypenny...
Can you imagine the (well-deserved) trolling this will generate if they have a comment forum? Any chance of reasoned pro vs anti discussion will be drowned hot grits.
If any real arguments on either side manges to get through, I'm going to guess the pro/anti sco ratio will be like 1 pro to 100 anti.
How much is Microsoft paying him to do all this? Seriously, how can someone who is obviously educated and had the capacity to read and understand all the points about open source software make the decision to be so avidly against it? He must be getting paid off by Microsoft.
There is, perhaps, a bit of irony in Darl McBride's choice of gold-rush metaphor. He seems obsessed with IP, and even states that "The new gold is IP". What he doesn't seem to understand is the old saying about how the only people who get rich in a gold rush are the ones selling the pick-axes and shovels to the dollar-sign-eyed prospectors.
It's clear from The SCO Group's lawsuits and 'SCOsource' licensing efforts that they are not in the mining equipment business in their gold rush. Indeed, they have invested heavily in trying to mine IBM, and others, through the courts and by their threats of litigation. How appropriate it is that they are based in the Rocky Mountains!
Freedom of expression includes the freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas expressed in software form.
I wonder if he's also waiting for aliens hiding behind a comet to come and rescue his business from all the 'open source bandits' who want to rob real developers everywhere of their work.
Has he not yet realized that open source doesn't mean that developers can't be paid. Does he not realize that there is a commercially viable business model for open source and free software? Doesn't he know that open source doesn't mean free?
Darl, wake up: you are crusading against something that will only end up helping people!
I bet that the '12 million developers worldwide' would prefer to see SCO invest their litigation costs in actual software development.
That kind of money (multibillion dollar lawsuit ) could produce a valuable open source software package. heh. With the right business model, they might even be able to turn a profit without suing the pants off everyone they can point a stick at. more heh.
If "the new gold is IP," why is it costing SCO so much to have enforced? It's alchemy they are after, not mining. Unfortunately for them, lead doesn't become gold without great expense.
1. A method to be flamed.
2. A method to be dissected.
3. A method to be dismissed.
Groklaw must pay license fees!!!
Of course, greed is nothing new, but "IP" is just a way for companies to milk something that isn't really there. To be fair, I do believe there is some innovative effort that deserves protection, but the key word here is "innovative". Amazon's "one-click" patent, for example, is in NO WAY innovative. Most of the patent applications coming from the software industry aren't innovative, they're just attempts to steal empowerment from the public at large.
I was thinking about this the other day - software is the only industry I know where an individual or company has the right to own common methods. What if, for example, I went to the hardware store to buy some lumber, nails, and a hammer so that I could build something that would add value to my life? What if I also had to consult a patent attorney before doing so, fearing that the method I use to construct this item might be covered by someone's patent? The idea is ludicrous, but this is the very situation that we now face in the software industry. Every time a developer puts an idea into code, there is a very real possibility that a patent violation is in the works - not intentional, not maliscious, but by mere virtue of the fact that the developer has the ability to empower both him/herself and others by what they produce. Any alleged infractions exist only because someone also had the same idea, and was greedy enough to claim ownership.
Let's face it - this isn't about IP. It's about greed, lockout, and theft of empowerment.
Now this is the equivalent to MotleyFool.
that the company that brought the first successful UNIX port to the pc, the ATT B1 doesn't count, to have fallen so low. They should be supporting open source and competing with Red Hat and other commercial suppliers by adding value to the operating system rather than trying to get their revenue from the court. Maybe they've been turned to the dark side by Emperor Bill.
When the site launches, and some wag *looks in mirror* finds a reason to submit a story about it every day for the first few months, one of 2 things will happen.
/. for using M$ based stuff...
Their servers will keep running at a nice, cool, 40 degrees c, and we'll all find out that they're running THEIR operating system, yeah, the one which everyone else has and THEY want to keep for themselves, or something, because they claim that it's theirs, although everyone else has it.
Or they'll be running windows..
Nice choice, effectively hang a sign around their necks saying "we're hypocrites" or have their site go down and get ridiculed on
Oh the dilemma, my heart bleeds for them...
FGD 135
It will run on their own POS (Not Point of Purchase) so it will most likely be down regardless of /.
Help fight continental drift.
"...What are they smoking now?..."
It must be some strong stuff. Look what they said:
"...There are, however, no plans to allow readers to discuss the documents on the Web site. "If we opened it up to that, it would simply become another one of the message boards that our detractors use to try and overwhelm us," Stowell said...."
No public comments. So it will be a one-sided story. And it sounds like they are only going to post their court submissions too! SCO will go to its death bed thinking it has the high moral ground on this case.Come on - "prosco.net"? At least they're not doing something like "fairandbalancedonsco.net"...
It should be fun to see what positive spins they can put on their case, and I'm sure the fellow over at GrokLaw will have a ball with what they post!
Sure it's propoganda, but it's way to late to do them any good.
--LWM
Nevermind the legalese and who can "win" lawsuits...
I was reading a recent review of SCO's Unixware. The review seemed fair, objective and Unixware didn't come out too badly, BUT it was amply clear that the MAJOR reason that Unixware is still a product that one wouldn't be totally crazy to deploy, the MAJOR reason that Unixware could be viewed as even somewhat competitive is OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE, the OSS packages such as Samba, Apache, Open-SSH, etc that SCO "grabbed" from OSS to make Unixware a credible product.
So here we have SCO borrowing HEAVILY from OSS, not paying a dime for key, strategic software that form the basis for whether Unixware is even slightly competitive on the market, and yet SCO is crying that OSS is 1) bad for the industry, 2) is stealing their oldy-moldy SysV code. I just find that APPALLING. Those guys have no shame, really. They should be GIVING BACK to OSS something for all the software they have taken into their own products, rather than trying to claim IP rights to this SysV, invalid as their claims are. This "all TAKE, no GIVE" approach of theirs to the community is the ultimate in despicable behavior.
SCO could get in trouble with the SEC if they misrepresent their standing in court on their website.
Besides which, the judges are noticing SCO's public statements, and if SCO contracticts what they're telling the judge, or what the judge is telling them, they could annoy the judge.
There should be a speech soon that:
compares the software industry to the 'wild west' and warning individuals that they must quit writing code or risk being 'sacked by proprietary robber barons claiming IP infringement but never offering any proof.'"
Behind every corporate website is a SysAdmin.
I'd like to hear their story -- are they just doing it for the buck? Do they believe what their web site is promoting?
"The purpose of argument is to change the nature of truth." -- Bene Gesserit Precept
Which "Fair" are they talking about? State Fair? County Fair? Or more like a "Carnival" sideshow? So Daryl, no comments from us allowed is it? How long do you think that site has 'til it's Hacked,Cracked and Pwned; you may get some of our "commentary" whether you like it or not. But for the time being, let's see how much Rope To Hang Yourself you can acquire with your FUD site.
Down With Slashdot BETA!!! I've been around the corner and seen the oliphant; you can only abuse me from your perspecti
Should be so-so...
Stop by my site where I write about ERP systems & more
Whoa! I see my surname in ohyesyesgimmesco.cmo, heheh... "syes".
That's weird, because back in 1985, as a radioman with the sub-specialty of teletype repairmain, I was testing a teletype after after reassembling it. I had to also to a "Red" patch panel and the "Black" patch panel line tests.
As I yanked out and reinserted the short patch cord between the receive and the coupler, the RYSGRYSGRYSG (the "RYSG" test) from the signal generator spat out "SYES" midstream.
Shit! I was scared. I was wondering if this ship (the John A. Moore (FFG-19)) was haunted. It was eery. "SYES" was not part of the signal generator program, nor was anyone locally or remotely using any teletype terminals.
Anyway, that was a digressive-intro...
I thought I ALSO "prosco" was one letter off from sco's true calling: "Self-Protology." Maybe darl and company can open up their own "Church of Self-Proctology" and preach ALL the fake shit they want. Hell, they can even incorporate as a church (heheh, of the poisoned/mined (or, okay, "mind")) and get organized religion tax write-offs.
Alternatively, my mind thought, Pro TCO (Total Cost of Ownership)... reasons to avoid the sco (sinister, conniving, and orgasmic) licensing scheme co-opting (program)).
I guess sco gets the 'scoop'. Now, if only they use that scoop to dig around in their upper and lower colons and their 5 sphyncters and find out what DNA switching set them back, ummm aback.
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
I'd not provoke them, they might go for roSCO.com and claim prior art on Hazzard.
---- MISSING MISCELLANEOUS DATA SEGMENT --- [sigdash] trolololol
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=6m/ 6 month graph
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=1d/ 1 day graph, with spike this afternoon
That's not funny.
MSN can't post links to Groklaw. SCO's anti-Linux FUD that M$ bought is failing. M$ needs a way to spin these latest developments and send up more FUD signals.
First SCO puts up a site to blow smoke up our collective asses. We don't bite, but we're not the target audience.
Next M$ has MSN announce "news" stories along with links to case analysis on SCO new sites. Again, the few of us who actually visit MSN to see the FUD shake our heads and laugh at the unbelievable remarks. Unfortunately the ignorant masses buy into it and repeat it as truthful objective news.
M$ ends up with much more FUD bang for their buck while SCO prepares to spin their bankruptcy in a way that squarely places blame on FOSS. FOSS killed SCO, you're next!
Hey, maybe SCO can charge MSN freelance fees for doing stories for them! That'll help resupply SCO's dwindling war chest!
I was just commenting the other day about how SCO hasn't been in the news much lately. After all, yesterday's interview with Linus Torvalds didn't even mention SCO. That would have been unheard of a year ago.
Just when I thought SCO had finally slinked into irrelevance, Darl's spouting off to the press again. Maybe it's attempted damage control against upcoming summary judgments with IBM.
I bet there's so many people trying to
take this site down that they wind up
interfering with each other.
I know that cooler heads here will caution
against any sort of illegal activity that
will give SCO further ammunition, but
frankly, I don't think it will matter much,
since they so obviously manufacture their facts out of thin air anyways.
Besides, the results might be hilarious if
the right person or persons (or dozens of
groups of persons) manage to 0wn the proscum
site. They could have competitions for the
funniest and most clever defacement.
If I were the fool responsibel for maintaining this site I would have a live person viewing
the site (with constant screen refreshes) 24/7.
SCO must be the band of train robbers.
The speechwriter of Darl McBride has been sacked. Anyone offering further commentary on the person who sacked the person who was supposedly sacked, will be sacked. This thread will now continue in a completely different manner and at great expense.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
prosco = scoopr (as in pooper).
Disclaimer: I'm sure that many companies are innocent of the following.
Which is the more likely scenario: That open source will steal and conceal proprietary code within OSS. Or, conversely, that proprietary software companies might "lift" open source code and insert it within closed sourced programs? Care to speculate on how many companies have abused software published under BSD licenses?
JMD
When all else fails, feel free to panic.
What do you mean don't fall for it? They can fake a DDOS attack or a hacked site without anyone actually even trying. Heck, they probably have the "linux rulz, sco sucks!!" hacked page already done up and ready to post when they need a stock boost.
Finkployd
Perfect Tommy: Look at all these members... Reno: Look at these names! Darl Yaya, Darl Many-Darls,Darl Bigbute... it's a joke!
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." ~The Honorable Daniel Patrick Moynihan
hope they do something fun with it.
Well i'd rather be a "bandit" than an evil banker.
:p
Really, this namecalling won't get us anywhere. Personally I believe SCO is just another dinosaur headed to extinction - just like the RIAA,MPAA, etc.
I mean, come on. They had their chance. Some guy decided to make his own version of minix, and it rocked. Maybe it's that they're jealous?
so it won't make any difference to me how much fake support SCO try to drum up.
I don't know the meaning of the word 'don't' - J
That's right, companies should protect their "IP". And how do we do that? Let's review:
he should see the beating SCOX takes everyday on the Yahoo SCOX message board:
-------- In Soviet Russia, "Soviet Russia" sigs hate Slashdot.
I'll valiantly sacrifice myself at the feet of Godwin's Law:
Darl McBride is comparable to Hitler.
There, it had to be said. I know I lose the debate, but it was worth it.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
Finally we have a fair and unbiased source of information about the evils of Linux and Open Source! It's about time someone stood up to those commie-loving baby-eaters! It's about time a neutral and disinterested third party got involved to counteract all the LIES being spewed by those satan-worshipping child-molesters!
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
n/t
You can't handle the truth.
How can it be "fair" if the website address already shows that its leaning to one side?
What a bunch of idiots.
From TFA :
There are, however, no plans to allow readers to discuss the documents on the Web site. "If we opened it up to that, it would simply become another one of the message boards that our detractors use to try and overwhelm us," Stowell said.
DUH!!! Because nobody in their right mind would defend SCO's actions without being a M$ shill!!!
Hi-larious. Pathetic. Everything we've come to expect from SCO...
Too bad they won't have a user feedback section, though, that would be hilarious for a whole 2 minutes...
Hey, I wonder what OS they'll be running the prosco.org webserver on ?!?
The gold in this economy is, as it was, shareholder value, not IP.
Courtesy of our gracious hosts - the SCO one year stock profile. Oooh. Aaaah.
http://ir.sco.com/stock.cfm
It Is the Nature of Information to Transgress Artificial Boundaries
This is going to bring in some real revenue for them. All they have to do is put some banner ads on the site, maybe some Google AdSense boxes... since everyone's going to be constantly visiting prosco.com to see what absurd things Darl is saying next, SCO can just sit back and let the ad revenue pour in!
It'll be more profitable than SCOsource ten minutes after the site launches!
Tired of FB/Google censorship? Visit UNCENSORED!
...is that bull shit I smell?? Man, these guys just don't get it do they? Let's see if the site can handle a /.ing ;-)
"Klaatu, verada, necktie!" -Ash
More importantly, is it really a good idea to post rants on a public Web site stating your position in a lawsuit that's still pending? Isn't that the very first thing pretty much any reputable attorney says to clients -- don't go running off your mouth about the case? "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law" is what the cops tell you in criminal law ... this certainly will apply to SCO as well.
Breakfast served all day!
Amazon's "one-click" patent, for example, is in NO WAY innovative.
"In no way?"
No. It might not be innovative enough to deserve patent protection, but it's certainly "innovative."
they got tired of sys-con.com sinking numbers after publishing..whoops regurtiating their pr statements...
The only high readership will bein IBM lawyers and the JUdges.. not exactly a pro TSCOG audience..
Don't Tread on OpenSource
Didn't anybody notice that spelled backwards, prosco is Oscorp, the evil multinational conglomerate that developed the Green Goblin flying wing and battle suit from Spiderman???
Oops, guess I got a little dyslexic. It's actually just an anagram.
These people looked deep into my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined.
The worst part is that virus writers probably used a DDoS on SCO as advertising for their Bot-nets, and the press told it like it was Linux enthusiasts doing it.
1. High profile DDoS
2. More criminals buy spam services and DDoS blackmail contracts from the virus writers
3. Profit for virus writers, PR for SCO
Irene KHAAAAAAN!
OK, so let's play along with Mr. McBride's crazy gold-rush metaphor for a minute...
In a gold rush, lots of get-rich-quick types run around trying to grab a nominally free resource (minerals lying on the ground) and peddle it as their property. Some of them are rather, shall we say, unscrupulous in their methods.
If we accurately apply this metaphor to the situation of IP, and more particularly to Open Source software and the IP rights thereto, the present SCO are a bunch of thieving claim-jumpers screaming "Mine! My Preciousss! Gollum!", and the Open Source community are out there giving the stuff away for free -- as long as you're willing to share it fairly.
"Counter-cultural," says Mr. McBride? Maybe so; I for one am totally counter to the culture he advocates. Let's counter that culture for all we're worth!
"My strength is as the strength of ten men, for I am wired to the eyeballs on espresso."
I see, so the idea is to employ a few SCO bods to put up a website describing every detail of the court case, transcribing all of the court documents and putting up articles describings SCO'S opinions and related news articles.
:-) ) but only now do they bother to even try and counteract it? I bet nothing that gets put onto their new toy will ever contain ever really important, most of it will probably be paid-for PR by either made-up persons like the MIT deep-divers or by known rubbish-talkers.
And you think that the little bit of money that you throw into that website is going to counter a huge base of dedicated people who work on the website on their own time, for fun, go to the courthouses of their own accord and get every little thing that's filed and publicly available as soon as it's released? That it'll make anybody think twice about whether they've misjudged SCO?
They seriously think that people don't already know what SCO think (we own the world, give us money, why not? Boo Hoo) and that anyone (except Groklaw and the terminally bored or mindless) will actually bother to rifle through their PR rubbish? This can only provide Groklaw with more ammunition to make the whole world laugh at SCO.
It's also far too late. They've been whinging about Groklaw's influence for months and always seem to manage to talk about it in derogatory terms (sponsored by IBM, you know
And what's worse is that the site ain't even up yet. By the time it does get up and get anything useful or vaguely interesting up, it'll all be over.
Do they intend to use this site like an anti-Groklaw, to take IBM's public statements and court transcripts and try to poke holes in them, to find inconsistencies, to watch the superb work of SCO's lawyers ripping the opposition to shreds? That'll be fun to read.
Do they intend to answer all those questions that everyone is just dying to know the answer to, like "Which lines of code?" or "Why can't you tell us which lines of code?" or "Why are you stalling so badly when you've publically claimed such good evidence that you haven't shown anyone yet?". That'll be fun to read.
It's just a ruse. They hope that some middle-manager somewhere, having heard about all of this legal thing that affects their software decisions, will see Groklaw as a collection of amateurs (which can obviously be safely ignored) but will see ProSCO as a glowing advert which closes their doubts because it's got pretty eye candy and some sort of statement which says they are in the right and it's got quotes from SCO's management on it. Maybe then a few of these managers will just ignore their doubts and go SCO.
Can't believe this will help their cause at all and can't wait to see the site when they actually get it working. IP may be gold but a good SCO quote can keep you laughing for the rest of your life.
It's a new Orwellian term meaning "unfair and unbalanced".
-------- In Soviet Russia, "Soviet Russia" sigs hate Slashdot.
And nowadays, you can replace these sayings by "This was a lawyer job" or "We sued those guys off the map". *sigh*
perception is reality
"If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If the law is on your side, pound the law. If neither the law nor the facts are with you, pound the table."
SCO has gone from pounding the table to claiming the table is biased against them.
If we are looking for a literary metaphor McBride is more akin to Snidely Whiplash.
Mcbride is the almost perfect villian and hollywood writers should take note - for inspiration if nothing else.
He is a consummate blend of hubris, arrogance, ignorance, knavishness casted into a tongue wagging, smirking package with just barely enough intelligence that you don't completely discount him.
Keep two tabs open in firefox - If everyone slastdots Darl's site at the same time they slasdot other sites - the slashdot effect will keep that server a crater.
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
Unfortunately, I don't really think this is true - it's just that in the computer industry we find out about computer-related patents more.
Lots of industries seem to have similarly absurd patents. Razor companies patent the design of the clip that holds the disposible blade to the handle, and then use the patents to prevent people making compatible disposible blades, for example.
The hot-air hand dryer in our bathroom proudly lists the patent numbers that protect its design of heating up air and blowing it out....
I nearly died laughing when I read this. Darl appears to be losing all the marbles he had left. How can he honestly believe that starting a SCO-sponsored propaganda site can gain SCO anything. Sure there won't be any discussion forums on the site, not because they will be flooded with anti-SCO propaganda; they will be flooded with real questions that SCO can't answer.
I'm sure Pamela is having kittens right now!
They must be doing it as some kind of exercise to make the most pathetic company legal case so far in the Millenium. Are they vying for som sort of prize for impossible lawyering?
In the first story I ever read about SCO suing IBM, I saw that they didn't know the difference between a trademark, copyright and a trade secret. I understood it, they didn't. I was a geek reading computer magazines. They are corporate officers.
Incompetence!
Irene KHAAAAAAN!
Domain Name: PROSCO.NET
Created on: 04-OCT-04
Expires on: 04-OCT-05
Last Updated on: 04-OCT-04
Obviously, SCO feels that they aren't going to be around after this date... or one would think they would at least have bothered to splash out the extra cash for a 2-year reg rather than just a 1-year reg.
You mean the extra $5.00?
They also, interestingly enough, made M1 carbines for the US war effort in WWII. I guess the new conventional wisdom should be that nobody ever got shot for buying IBM.
"Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is living in a state of sin." -- John von Neumann
Equating software to gold is an interesting insight into the guy's view of the world.
I guess he figures there are a finite number of dumb and obvious ideas to patent, so you'd better stake your claim ASAP before all the nuggets are gone. 0 sum game: the only way I can win is if you lose.
An alternative might be to consider the possibility of leveraging productivity between various and sundry things on the market, whether goods or services, rather than an attitude of "I own it, I own it all, back off!", which doesn't seem to fit the realm of abstractions like it does physical goods or specific blueprints for a widget.
Same old flame war...
Yow! I'm supposed to have a plan?
This has come too far. I feel really offended by SCO. I'm no bandit!
I'd like to know how can I sue SCO for this offence?
Not satisfied in offend the free software community SCO now is offending individuals. Enough is enough, it must stop NOW.
-=-=-=-=
I know life isn't fair, but why can't it ever be un-fair in MY favor!?
What if, for example, I went to the hardware store to buy some lumber, nails, and a hammer so that I could build something that would add value to my life? What if I also had to consult a patent attorney before doing so, fearing that the method I use to construct this item might be covered by someone's patent?
Actually you could go to the hardware store, buy all that stuff, and build something that violated someone's patent. The difference is no one is trying to patent, say, door openings just to keep other people from building houses at all.
"...they must protect their intellectual property or risk being 'sacked by open source-touting bandits.'"
Tux: *rolls a d20...*
Tux: "Sweet a 19! Does that hit?"
Dungeon Master Linus: "Yep, you've just destroyed the SCO creature"
Tux: "I kill the monster and take the treasure"
SCO creature: "Ahhh! Sacked by open source-touting bandits!"
Byzandula
What they need is a message board where editors excercised the unlimited privilige to moderate. That way, everything could stay totally one-sided while maintaining the appearance of balance.
Wh47 d1d j00 541, 31337 15n't t3h r0xor5 ne m0r3???
I'll check that Prosco Inc don't mind me having the domain first, though.
Does this remind anyone of Microsoft's nonsenical Freedom-to-Innovate campaign?
Well this shows just how clueless they are. Any statement they make on the website will just be telling IBM what they are going to try and bring up in court. That will give IBM's lawyers a chance to disprove the statement and then to bring up in court that SCO made a false statement further discrediting them. Any good lawyer would tell them to keep there mouth shut.
Why are they so clueless? My best guess is McBride and company never thought that they would be so villianized. Look at the Kodak vs Sun case. No one is calling who ever the head of Kodak a liar or a crook. I bet McBride thought that he would be hailed as a hero going after IBM. The money people would all think that they had a good chance of settling and getting a small mint handed over to them with out much of a fight or that they would bet bought up by IBM to shut them up. In the old days that is what would have happened. What they did get it IBM did. SCO does not seem to understand is that one person with a website can be read by as many people as the Wall Street Journal. They did not get that going after Linux would not just be "just business" but personal to thousands of people. They did not get that any vague claim made would be attacked by the same "million eyes" that look for security holes and bugs in Linux looking for any falsehoods. The world is a different place now.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
I guess this means we will get plethora of new SCO dissections via Groklaw from the distorted regurgitation spewing from prosco.net about Groklaw's dissections via... Nevermind. Erm.
What happened to: "I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it!"
I think most people are educated/intelligent enough to recognize corporate astroturf for what it is when its as blatiant as a SCO owned and operated website. And if they aren't, that's where our speech comes in, to inform Joe Average and criticize our enemies; but not to silence anyone.
"Mission Accomplished" -- George W. Bush May 1, 2003
SCO doesn't get it. They just don't get it. People who are monitoring the SCO lawsuits follow Groklaw...but why? Because it's the only voice out there? No...they also go to the SCO website for press releases, and to all other interested/involved parties as well.
No, they go to Groklaw because the content is GOOD. While Groklaw may not even pretend to be impartial, what they DO succeed in doing is sticking to facts. They start with the extant nature of our law, and apply it to facts and statements that are put forth in public documents. This analysis is what the people go to Groklaw to read. And while the analysis tends to support Groklaw's supporters' views, I think that is actually a chicken-and-egg thing; if SCO wasn't wrong, the law wouldn't work against them, and Groklaw's volunteers wouldn't so dearly relish the thought of McBride being sodomized by a gorilla.
So SCO is coming up with a dog-and-pony show equivalent to their press releases? So what? It's just the same content that couldn't compete with Grokloaw in the first place, just fluffed out into more pages.
For your security, this post has been encrypted with ROT-13, twice.
Dateline Utah, Nov. 1 2004
SCO spokesman Daryl McBride blames "FOSS wild-west vigilantes" for a DDOS attack on his web site shortly after it opened. SCO is looking into filing criminal and civil charges against the perpetrators of this vicious attack.
This follows this morning's announcement, carried on industry news sites including industry leader Slashdot, of SCO's new counter-Groklaw web site.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Maybe we should approach the battle against software patents the other way around. Instead of looking for ways to protect against patents and/or get patents for OSS, why not play the game out to its ultimate consequences. Start up a website and start matching patents with software products: when a likely match is found, notify the patent holder, the software vendor and possibly the software users of this potential patent violation. For the large fish (IBM, Microsoft, etc.) focus on the patents of patent trolls: litigation companies existing merely of a patent portfolio. If lots of companies are targetted, this would create a lot of publicity and when there's a website to back up the claims, there's a lot of proof about the untenability of the situation. Furthermore: it only takes work, not deep pockets to do this.
If the situation is as bad as is claimed, this would mean that any software vendor and/or webshop is forced to concede the fact that they can be put out of business overnight due to patents. Once this awareness is there it would just be a matter of time before the case law is overturned. As an example see this site. Imagine it targetted at real software products and real webshops. Probably we can match a couple of hundred patents to any particular product/shop, showing the seriousness of the situation, while at the same time confronting the potential victims with it. I know, this is a real weird proposal, but the question is: would it do the trick?
Uh, what about: www.sco.com?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
One-Click can only be defined as "innovative" if you accept the notion that taking a simple real-world noun and appending the phrase "on the internet" is a valid form of creative enterprise.
The essential concepts behind One-Click (pre-store the customer's credit information, allow them to purchase from you without hassle, then charge them later) have been in common usage worldwide for decades, if not millennia.
Persistent client interactivity, who would have thought that was possible with cookies? Apparently only the brilliant minds at Amazon (and the dim bulbs at the Patent Office).
Assuming they follow the license requirements and all.
Of course, there's EVERYTHING wrong w/ them talking dirty about FOSS while using it.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
You could go buy the wood and nails and everything to build your house but you could not follow someone elses blueprint if the blueprints are copyrighted.
The software industry seems to be trying to copywrite "Nailing four boards together to form a rectangular or square configuration".
Guess they don't expect to be using that domain name for very long ?
If they really want to get the word out, they should see if they can buy space in v14gr4 spam email.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
Voltaire died defending it.
Don't forget the Slashback at the end of the week which sums up all of these stories.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
Unfortunately most people _aren't_ bright enough to recognise astroturf. However, it's unlikely to be an issue in this case. I'd bet quids this proposed ProSco website will turn out to be vapourware.
What a long, strange trip it's been.
I'm all for Intelectual Property and Open Source. If you feel that you want to keep sole ownership of a program you wrote and not let it be copied, great. If you want to release your code to the world freely, great. If you used from someone else for your program, check with their license first. From what I have gathered, SCO doesn't have much ground to stand on. Even when they started sueing everyone and their cousin that's twice removed, I smelled something fishy. I found it uterlly stupid that they would make claims that their code has been illegally copied and not back it up. They could have a trusted third party review the diputed code to back up their claims in the first place, but they had to play ring around the rosey. I know it's old news, but they continue to use the same tactics. In my opinion, they're small organization trying to throw around weight they don't have with unsound claims. Instead of spending all of that money in lawyer and court fees, they could have spent it on making a better product. The last time I logged into a SCO UNIX box, 3.5 year ago, the whole OS smelled of crap. IIRC, not much has changed since then. If their code is actually being used illegally, and yes i know that is still in contention, lets factually identify it and get it out. Take the Linux for example. I know without a shadow of doubt the Linux community would much rather have the illegally used code removed pronto, than leave it in there so Linux can "be where it is today." I'm willing to bet that if it was true and it was removed, the Linux community would jump and write their own code to replace what the illegal code did. To me SCO seems like a company trying to unsoundly find money by sueing people.
Of course, it doesn't mean I'd agree with them. I still think SCO is full of shit and hope it gets what it deserves.
It is not our abilities that show what we truly are... it is our choices.
They'd do way better calling it something like blogs.sco.com ... it's not like they've got any kind of plausible deniability going for them. At least they could try and sound like they had a clue.
I mean, even Microsoft knows which way the wind's blowing.
The difference is about what the public knows. In the hardware store, the public understands how old the technology of putting lumber together with nails is, and they understand it would be ludicrus for someone to patent that because they all already know about it. Contrast that with software, where the average person has no clue how it is made, and no clue what is and is not already possible with it. Therefore the average person can't tell when something obviously "feels" like prior art. This is why people get away with patenting already-common knowlege in software - it's because it's only known to be common to those few who work in the business. To everyone else, it's like, "Wow! You can actually "compile" code now! Neat! What's that mean?"
Are you a roleplayer? If so, you can gain a lot of insight into how far off the average person's view of computers is by reading the rules for any computer-based activity in any RPG. You'll find such gems as "A compiler is a program that makes other programs run faster by making them smaller."
Oh, and as to your sig, the ability to retroactively alter a post after it has been seen by others opens the door for historical revisionism. That's why slashdot doesn't do it. Just get in the habit of using the preview button if you feel the need to edit things. If you want to edit things after they are responded to, too bad. (I might be okay with editing posts in the case where the post has not yet been replied to, but then there needs to be a locking mechanism to prevent people from replying to a post that is being edited.)
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
Right, and those are patents on their implementation of heating up air and blowing it out. They do not prevent you from coming up with another way to do the same thing. Patents were designed to protect the implementation of an idea, not the idea itself.
That's a patent on a thing. The proper analogy is if the razor company patented the process of shaving with the upwards stroke, or shaving the soul patch.
evil is as evil does
"I think it's clear to us that people can't give away things for free forever," said conference organizer Alex Vieux.
"Vieux" means "old." How appropriate. I don't blame these people for being scared to death of open source. It's bigger and better and it means less money for them. The new is clearly better, no matter how much les vieux hommes (the old men) want us to believe it.
ACs are modded -6. I don't read you, I don't mod you, I don't see you. Don't like it? Don't be a coward.
IBM is countersuing SCO about violating IBM patents. In this case SCO is one actually being accused of violating patents.
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sick. BTW what does this tell you about the so called journalists working at info-world. It may be time to write them a letter.
evil is as evil does
I come from a wild west family -- my great (x n) uncles were murdered by Doc Hollidy and Wyatt Erp's clan, at which point their brother, my great (x n) grandfather, a lawyer, realized that there was no justice in the west and ordered contracts on the lives of all involved, suceeding on several. (You can see the history of the gunfight at the OK Corral, as presented in the modern historic town of Tombstone, AZ, here.
Now perhaps it is true that the only connection I have to these days is blood and tradition, and perhaps it is further true that I'm studying to be a mathematician, well on the way to some distant ivory tower, but if Mr. McBride would care for a pistol duel at sundown for the honor of the old west (and to put a stop to his extortion campaign), I think I might have a hard time refusing.
I used to read Caltizzle. I was a lot cooler than you.
prosciutti = everything but the squeal
prosco.net = the squeal
coincidence? I think not -lol
With a name like "prosco"(.net) one must wonder if SCO is attempting to garnish public sympathy and if it will be possible for an unbiased jury to be found. Of course, alternatives like "scofacts.[com,net,org]" wouldn't help much either. Perhaps they should've just taken the bull by the balls and gone for "fuckgroklaw.[com,net,org]"...
Sound like they're trying to get a Groklaw+Tuxrocks+Yahoeuvre+Legal Scorecard, but without the commentary.
Losers.
Oh, well. Guess it could get hilarious if they add their spin to things.
Belief is the currency of delusion.
If Darl was smart, he would keep his mouth shut. Every time he says something he shoots himself in the foot. In this particular case, he's sending more of his audience to Groklaw to see what all the fuss is about. Meanwhile his own rebuttal site is still not up, and probably won't be for weeks.
Of course, if Darl was smart, he wouldn't have gotten himself into the predicament he's in.
"I could be wrong now, but I don't think so..."
I think grandparent's point stands. McBride would probably use the word "hacked," because it carries heavier connotations... and sounds better in a press release. Those damnable linux hackers...
Repetition does not transform a lie into the truth. - FDR
hmmm...
I'll take this the other direction. I'll draft a patent appliction for one-click shopping and checkout... AT THE OL' BRICK 'N' MORTAR!
yeah.
???
Profit!
Say it right: "Nuc-le-ah Powah".
Now, IANAIPL (I am not an IP lawyer) but I believe if you were to just take their code and use it in your own personal coding projects WITHOUT distributing it to anybody, they wouldn't be able to touch you. The instant you start doing it for commercial gain though is where they can sue you.
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Here's the payout matrix:
McBride | Lawyers
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STFU | Get paid
Talks | Get paid
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Where's the surprise?
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Everyone sees THIS.
Don't be a slashtard.
Have a nice day!
To get the truth about SCO vs IBM, we should go to prosco.net?.
Ok.
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Uh, to the best of my knowlege, SCO only controls one single patent. Infringing on that couldn't possibly be worth $3 billion. Info World must be mistaken, the litigation is obviously about a contract dispute.
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
wtf? Are they still around?
Evil Bandits (SCO Group) terroize (or in our case attempt to) an isolated village (Open Source Users), so the village brings in gunslingers (SCO, Novell, Red Hat) to fight them off.
Okay, so it's not excatly the same, but it's close.
Zagreus sits inside your head, Zagreus lives among the dead, Zagreus sees you in your bed and eats you in your sleep.
Up till now, I've been saying that Darl McBride isn't stupid, he's just crooked.
Their new website has proved me wrong.
Webmaster al Sahaf: We are not afraid of the Open Source infidels and neither should you be. They are stupid. They tell lies. Everything they say is lies. It is only Hollywood. They are in contempt. We defeated them yesterday. They are convicted and rotting in prison awaiting their execution. They are even now commiting suicide in the halls of the USPTO. We will encourage them to commit more suicides.
Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
I guess SCO proves that there is something worse than writing code that no one ever uses.....next time I feel sorry for myself because my code ends up in 'permenant storage' I will remember the much-abused UNIX system 5 and pray that my stuff rests in peace.
Qxe4
I suppose they settled for prosco.com since fud.com was already taken.
Honestly, could these pack of has-been sink any lower, or get any more sleezy than this? Probably, but it's beyond me exactly how. Imagine it, a couple of PR people, writing about how SCO are maximising profits, enhancing shareholder value, and serving it up to the Linux community. It's pure deperation, and makes me depressed even thinking about it, it's so pathetic. Throw in a web designer, and a graphic artist, there they are sitting around the table wondering, how they're going to save their jobs, and continue their corporate bullshit and thievery. One look at their share price, and that's all the information you need on SCO.
Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses. If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.
Correct metaphor would be that the goose pecks Darl to death...
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
Definitely an interesting idea - it sounds like it is based on the German tradition of lawyers independently following up on copyright and trademark violations.
Perhaps send a threatening letter, then give the respondent 60 days to justify why they are not infringing, then publish their names as suspected copyright infringers.
To celebrate the occasion of my 1000th post, I will post no more forever on Slashdot. Goodbye.
The essential concepts behind One-Click (pre-store the customer's credit information, allow them to purchase from you without hassle, then charge them later) have been in common usage worldwide for decades, if not millennia
Anyone have any record of the first time the phrase "Put it on my tab" was utterred in a saloon?
On the internet, nobody knows you're Darl McBride.
C|N>K
Costner movies? Hell, boy. This is Blazing Saddles!
The analogy sort of starts to break down here. For example, who's Bart and the Waco Kid (Cleavon Little and Gene Wilder)? Red Hat and IBM? What about Olsen Johnson, Rev. Johnson, and Gabby Johnson? Linus, Stallman, and ESR?
One thing's certain: that campfire scene with the cowboys eating beans and farting? Slashdot. For sure.
k.
"In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart." - Anne Frank
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
I'll bet it's more like no one in the press is going to print their BS anymore so they have to do it themselves. They might get one or two reporters to look at it, but that will stop when the reporters notice that there's no difference between the site and their nutty press releases. They won't stop reading Groklaw.
It's amazing, you tell lies and people quit listening to you.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
let's raise a glass to darl - the world's biggest douchebag.
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
SCO is definitely busted.
Just like SCO doesn't own Linux, they don't own the term "Fair" as it applies to the press - and such use is likely a violation of existing patents and/or trademarks.
FoxNews owns the terms "fair" and "balanced" in relation to the press and every day common American English.
The hot-air hand dryer in our bathroom proudly lists the patent numbers that protect its design of heating up air and blowing it out....
There is waaaay to much prior fart errr i mean art for that patent to ever hold up.
this sig is deprecated
I can think of quite a few things he hasn't accused IBM or the open source community yet, such as arson, ripping tags off mattresses, offering cigarettes to animals, possessing WMDs and tax evasion.
"We have got to make Stan understand the importance of voting, because he'll definitely vote for our guy." - South Park
SCO has hired Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, the former Iraqi Information Minister, as their new public relations officer. He reports that the infidel operating system Linux is being crushed and destroyed by the mighty SCO Army at this very moment.
A quick google search for prosco finds http://www.prosco-inc.com/index.html. I expect they will not be happy to be associated with SCO.
"I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it!"
I think that this was intended to be respective to people, not companies. However either way somebody has to actively view the SCO page to read this, so I don't see the issue. Now if there were spamming my email with "get the real scoop at poopSCOop.com" it might be a problem. Just a webpage, nah.
Groklaw has a respected following. SCO's page will just be like any other... you have to earn the following for anyone to pay attention to it.
However, off that subject, wouldn't comparing OS developers to highway bandits be a form of libel?
Nah. He'd just claim that SCO holds the patent for
"...Posting a link to a site with heavy traffic from technologically-savvy open source enthusiasts who disagree with companies such as SCO, and then directing said users to visit said site."
Then he would claim that it's called SCOdotting.
Now there's an obviously impartial site. Sheesh
:wq
Hey, it has been a long time since we had any news about $CO. I have very good news, someone posted on the internet "Samizdat", the little piece of shit published by ADTI. You can find it here
I say we give him a taste of his own medicine and sue him for slander.
In the contest for fiction.
Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
It's a damn shame, but prosco.com seems to be blocked by my proxy server. Apparantly it's on the porn blacklist.
:wq
I liked his post, you insensitive clod! It even had a +1-Informative-worthy link in it.
As to the question you ask, my next such scheduled event is November 20.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Mod me as troll, but I thought if you pay for something you have the right for it not be stolen out from under you by a load of other people.
Of course that is correct.
The issue is whether in fact anything was stolen.
SCO's case on this appears to be quite weak, by all objective analysis.
One would imagine that they thought they could bluff other companies, or at least get them to settle for less than their defense would cost. So far no one has played that game.
One could also speculate that a fraction of a percent of Microsoft's cash-on-hand was used to finance this whole kerfuffle, even though they never expected to win. The objective was to slow down Linux for a year or two. That, they seem to have accomplished in a limited way.
But that would just be speculation.
It's amazing how many motorbike parts and crates of food one can purchase by remote control after using a credit card there.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
apparently only SCO will be allowed to author content on proSCO.net. There will be no feedback areas, no forums, no bulletin boards, no threaded discussions, no nothing.
Yep, that's really going to compete with groklaw.net, which is a true community effort.
Puhleeze! Darl has simply become a caricature at this point:
Actually, he became a caricature months ago. This just makes it official. What a joke.
Every fiendish trick he tries blows up in his face and/or leaves him momentarily levitating over thousands of feet of empty air (followed by an amazing impact at speeds faster than that of sound in the rock he hit).
Wile E is particularly apt because he leaves everyone guessing about who is funding his unending stream of Acme contraptions, and because the bird is always too fast for him.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
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I guess they'll pay twice the price for their gear and get nice Apples instead - then suffer cardiac arrest when their users discover Fink.
Morons.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
'T'would be glorious to sneak "http://www.groklaw.net/" into their rego details. (-:
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
So far, it's been about almost everything else (copyright, contracts, the Constitution, criminal theft, destruction of the world economy, etc.), but I don't recall the issue of patents ever coming up in any of the cases or in any of Darl's rants before.
Oh, it's about patents all right, but I'm not surprised Darl isn't crowing about it... it's about SCO's infringement of IBM's patents. One infringed patent in each of SCO's major products, to be precise.
Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
Or they could just post to /.. Our mods are always even-handed and intelligent....
Sick of WoW? Try the thinking man's MMORPG: EVE Online
IANAL, but Voltaire always had a loophole with that one. He never actually specified whose death he was referring to.
"I disagree with what you say, but will defend to Darl McBride's death your right to say it."
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A new picture of Darl McBride has been posted over at LinuxStoleSCOCode.com . It is a visual representation of Darl's argument against open source.
www.antisco.com and www.antisco.org are still available. Any takers?
More importantly, www.antisco.net seems to send people straight to slashdot. Who'd have thought it...
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Perhaps SCO should focus more on litigating a real legal case of substance, instead of opening up their own propoganda machine to try and explain how their case has substance.
I mean really, you spend almost two years telling the industry, investors, and the court you have irrefutable evidence your IP has been stolen, and then when asked to produce this evidence you refusem to comply in any way? In addition, you THEN backtrack and change your charges. You do all this and then you tell people you are going to spend money developing a website to tell the TRUTH? C'mon Daryl. I know you don't have a clue how to run a company or develop a product, but don't tell people you are CREDIBLE!
"Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect."- Steven Wright
So why do we need patents on software, if the very thing that patents were designed to protect is already protected?
Isn't this an argument against all software patents?
Ceterum censeo subscriptionem esse delendam.
Far more useful would be a link the other way around; so that if someone typed 'SCO Group' into Google, they'd find the top link took them to a 'litigious bastards' site, explaining just why SCO deserved that title!
Ceterum censeo subscriptionem esse delendam.
scorgasm.com is not found on google (didn't bother with a whois)
Shall we play a game?
The truth about Led Zep should never be told on
My wife can't stand the words SCO, DRM, IP rights (and yes, she does own IP) and anything else I talk about. You might think that's because I'm a geek, and she's cool, and you may be right.
I guess slashdotter's would be better served by packaging themselves as "cool" to get their message across. Maybe we could write little ditties, or learn to play a guitar and join a rock band, and tatoo anti-FUD slogans around our private parts. Got FUD?
Just a thought.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
With SCO calling the IT environment the wild west because of OSS then the only way to look at proprietry software vendors is as feudalistic overlords. They have their walls of copyright and patents and treaties with other feudalistic overlords to keep the peasents in their place.
Do a whois on prosco.net. They've only registered it for one year. I guess they're not real confident they'll be still working this a year from now!
The registrar won't accept payment in SCO stock shares, IOUs, and probably especially not a personal check from Darl. They want actual payment, up front. The price of one year's registration is probably all the cash SCO had left
scoundrel.net
Unless it's really true that Slashdotters are like cowboys eating beans while farting...
Miss Stein: Just this urgent telegram from Rock Ridge...
Gov: Read it! Read it! You wild.... bitch...
/^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
Response number two can be countered with a vignette or two about identity theft. People tend to care a lot more when it can affect their bank account or credit score.
Y'know, you blow up one sun and suddenly everyone expects you to walk on water.
Prosco?
Sounds like something you should seek treatment for.
You aren't remembered for doing what is expected of you
So, is that quids pro sco then?
http://www.rootstrikers.org/
That Groklaw will do that, within the bounds of fair use. Not that you actually had any intention of doing it, of course, but it's always fun to come up with great ideas for less lazy people to implement.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
We're not pro-SCO, we just find you Lunix zealots so unbearably cute that we have to troll you just a little.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Which refers to something that you don't necessarily have to believe in in order to get paid for writing.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
You Have Been Trolled. You Have Lost. Have A Nice Day.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
The SCOX has a secret goal to
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(1) Take as much MS money as possible
(2) Advertize Linux
(3) Harden GNU/Linux's legal position and warn the developers
(4) Employ PJ (not directly, of course). And also make some noise here on
WYSIWIG, but what you see might not be what you need
totally offtopic, but there..
The whole site is a promo for Halo 2.
The wav files seem to be phone messages played on specific phones (you can see the coordinates, gps friendly, on the page) at specific times.
Marketing, don't you just love it?
But that's really what SCO is all about right now. Image. They probably need to release a game or two on the XBOX and everybody will love them. (sorry, just to steer back to the topic.)
People should not be allowed to post before their first coffee of the day.
Nouvelles de jeux et technologies en français. TC
I'm not seriously expecting anyone to hack WHOIS.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Amazon's "one-click" patent, for example, is in NO WAY innovative.
Wasn't amazon one click the first idiot patent on the wild? That's innovation
Sorry about my bad english, isn't my natural language
America starts in Tierra del Fuego and ends in Alaska
And this brings me to an interesting question...how many ways can you implement "one click"?
And this brings me to an interesting question...how many ways can you implement "one click"?
There are an infinite number of ways to implement this idea. Remember, the implementation is the software application that drives the site, not the user interface of the site.
Somewhere in the heavens... they are waiting.
Someone should record when prosco.net is made available for people to read and when the slashdotting takes it down. I'm guessing that it'll probably take no more than an hour or two for the site to grind to a screeching halt, and another hour or so after that before smoke comes out of the server.
Before you check no, trying to go to prosco.net doesn't do anything yet.
Y|
...there are more eloquent ways to state your case against everyone's favorite Capitalism Experiment Gone Awry.