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LiveCD Lets You Try Out Project Looking Glass
remember_beos writes "Sun created Project Looking Glass (LG3D) as a 'proof of concept' not long ago. It is an environment for Linux, like KDE or Gnome, but with some really great 3D functionality. More than just eye-candy, LG3D provides functional use of an extra spatial dimension on your desktop. Now there is a LiveCD for us all to try it out."
Here is a link to the video: http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/demo.xml
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I have been licking the same screenshots on suns site for the last few months. Now I get to play with it! I cant wait to download it tonight!
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To me this says all show and no productivity. I'll get a live CD and play with it, but I doubt it'll be worth using to actually get something accomplished.
Isn't it rough on the video card to have it 3D rendering at any point the the OS is loaded?
From what I understand of this project it is very cool. With that extra spatial dimmension you will take what is already a cluttered desktop and make it mess in 3D. Now my computer can look more like my apartnemt.
In all seriousness though this is really a neat concept. I use a lot of space for my video editing programs. They require a title program, an animator, a sound mixer, a couple of editors, etc. Now this will take my ordinary 15 inch screen and give it dimenssion which will make my life a lot more producitve and a lot oless facinating.
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What speed are you guys getting at the moment? Looks like the "maintenance" has come early.
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http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/details. xml
Check it out, very cool looking
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I tried something similar for Windows XP some time ago, I didn't really see any advantages over using a normal, 2D interface. Perhaps this 3D interface is different, but the whole thing seems pretty gimicky to me. Kind of like having a 3D interface, just to say you have a 3D interface, not because of any inherent benefits of using it.
Also, is this a window manager akin to Gnome or KDE, or does it run on top of either one? The window decorations and stuff look pretty fugly IMHO.
The site is already slashdotted, so I can't RTFA, but does anyone know how this works? Does it have drivers ready to go from nVidia, ATi, or the DRI project? Is it a full Knoppix like system, or can I just load the 3D environment on top of an already running Linux installation? Will it also work with Solaris for x86? I simply must have answers.
The site just loaded and I'm am too lazy to use my backspace key, so I'll share what I can see before it is completely slashdotted. It uses GamesKnoppix and let's you pick between KDE and lg3d, the looking glass 3d environmnet. Also, the ATi drivers are crap, but that's to be expected.
This is what Microsoft is trying to achieve in Longhorn. I'm sorry Bill, somebody just beat you at that...
fuvoo: watch something
every time sun convinces me to never go back they do something that sounds cool and i have to give it a try.
a plague upon your servers, sun!
The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.
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It looks like looking glass is gonna be slashdotted... heres the ISO link.
http://66.194.210.2/lg3d.iso
Not going very fast... torrent anyone??
Please, someone introduct them to torrent before it's too...er, nevermind...
I want to install it on my computer.
Can I do that? I can't find any information about doing just that.
A LiveCD is good, because it shows people what a properly set-up environment can do, but why not let us set it up, ourselves?
Licensing issues perhaps? Whatever the reason, a note on the page would be nice.
The iso directory is empty!
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https://lg3d-livecd.dev.java.net/servlets/Proje
come on fhqwhgads
Awwww, before I was able to put off those projects like building a 5 panel 1600x1200 64bit TFT Immersion Helmet with built in 10.1 sound and my 12,000,000 sensor VR suit complete with fleshlight plugin...
here's to hoping somebody on /. publishes a torrent of this soon, I can't d/l from sun's link at all
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the "strap-on" logo kinda creeps me out.
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It seems that Netcraft cannot find the site! How can a curions Slashdotter know with certainity, what a particular site is running?
Not karma whore, my karma is already excellent, I don't need any better then that. I just like the screen shots and think its a neat program. It is a genuinly informative post.
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If someone can get their hands on it I will mirror it. The University has a 200 megabit pipe to lay to waste, but we're on I2 so edu connections will fly. (I've done this in the past for /.ed things)
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Does anyone get the impression that there is some subtle but real competition going on between Sun and Apple? Apple seems to be moving in on the server/blade market, and Sun is attempting to do cool GUI tricks. I wouldn't mention this but Sun has made so much of Project Looking Glass that it's kind of hard to not wonder if one of their primary targets here is not Apple and the users who are using it as their preferred UNIX OS.
I don't understand why Sun doesn't have a clue about Bittorrent yet. I went to download Solaris 10 and gave up after the first CD took all day over an OC3 connection.
moofdaddy is correct. The grandparent post WAS informative especically since the video is slashdotted. At close glance they appeared to be the same link, but that is not so and I am glad that was pointed out (and modded up). Would you prefer to NOT have seen the screenshots???
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Oooh, shame on you! I had my hopes lifted for a moment, before being ripped to shreds by cruel reality.
Damn. RIP, Looking Glass Studios.
"Internal Server Error"...
that is kinda creepy, come to think of it.
Bears don't normally eat things that talk and move backwards.
And having their own servers Slashdotted sets a better example?
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Gee, and you'd think SUN would actually be able to handle the load!
As for "Why no torrent?" You obviously do not know how Bit Torrent works. A single person or company cannot just plop something on torrent and expect it to propigate in a timly fasion unless there are THOUSANDS of people DLing it in a short period of time.
This usually requires that the USERS of torrent want it bad enough and in effect distribute it themselves.
I couldn't get the video, but from the screenshots and other stuff I've seen I don't see anyone making a compelling case for this. I admit it has promise, but I don't see any examples of actual utility that cannot also be found in just having two or three monitors. Right now it just seems like eye candy and an interesting concept the developers are waiting for someone else to capitalize on, not a viable alternative to the current 3D (e.g. stacked windows) desktop paradigm.
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After reading about 15 requests for a torrent, I got to thinking about the /. effect and bittorrent.
Wouldn't it be a decent idea to set up a torrents.slashdot.org and if possible, before releasing a story with a large 'attachment', set up a torrent for it?
Then again, I don't know how hard this would be logistically, considering that one must obtain a copy of the file ahead of time. However, IMHO I think it's worth a shot.
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-- George Orwell
So the post is redundant because the first link contains info about the demo movie and the screenshot link.
I've seen screencaps from longhorn which show your desktop as basically a 3d view from the inside of a cube. You can rotate the cube and the icons held on it, etc.
Coincidentally, with the passing of Jef Raskin recently, there is fear that the concepts of his Humane Interface will go largely ignored and unnoticed, despite there being a desperate need to simplify the user experience while being intuitive without being intrusive, and still allocating the option of low-level interaction demanded by hackers.
While drawing the connection between Raskin and Project Looking Glass may seem distant, it is surely a nice example to see such a major organization funding open revolts against the norm and doing so in a public arena.
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Saw this and thought it might be helpful. It appears to be a forum for configuring Looking Glass among other things.
http://www.gcclinux.com
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Sweet jebus, put up a torrent tracker and post the link!
Does this LiveCD include any applications which take advantage of the third dimension natively? Rotating browser windows is a cute diversion while an intelligently designed, three-dimensional file/query manager or development environment would actually be useful.
They blocked BT around here because they got too many MPAA, RIAA, BSA letters. They got so many they were facing the need to hire a new employee just to manage the letters and responses. Things like these may be good argements to get it back ;)
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So, I emailed the address presented on the 500 error page, and actually received a quick reply from the site manager.
Contents of the emails with names/addresses removed:
From: removed
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:11:04 -0800
Subject: FW: https://lg3d-livecd.dev.java.net/ 500 Error
To: removed
Thanks for the heads-up. We're working on the issue.
name removed java.net Site Manager
-----Original Message-----
From: removed
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 5:07 PM
To: webmaster@dev.java.net
Subject: https://lg3d-livecd.dev.java.net/ 500 Error
C'mon guys - you're supposed to be the best hw/sw in the world... why the 500 error? Can't handle a simple slashdot effect?
For years I've recommended Sun/Solaris to support high volume sites. This is shaking my confidence.
At least it's good to see such a quick response!
I'm in GMT -0700.
is counter-productive.
Managing their rotation axis and depth is more waste of time.
Windows should either be auto-maximized or auto-tiled by the windowing system, with the user and application cooperating to define which parts in the visible output of the application are important to the user at every given moment so that those are automatically displayed to the user. Simple example: Newly created messages about errors or events should not be placed on top of some text I am reading, but on some of the all-gray or all-white area that the screen almost always contains. For this to happen, it must know that text is more important than "dead" areas that contain nothing.
This silliness of attributing physical traits to non-physical entities is counter-productive, even if it is very visually appealing.
Lets let go of the overlapping windows crap and solve the division of screen-space problem in a more intelligent way.
But what's to stop them from providing a standard FTP/HTTP link as well as a .torrent on the download page, in this case anyway.
.torrent's to distribute your wares, the setup of such links could be configured autmagically.
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There is a big issue with cheaper systems in relation to video cards with 3d. At a school I once attended they had a bunch of really fast, but really cheap desktops. They all intergrate video cards. Once after playing counter-strike for about an hour artfacts would appear. This would be even scarier with your windowing system. I would predict most PC sold today would have this issue. There is a big problem with being "too hard" (aka not enough cooling) on the video of cheaper systems. I would say the issue isn't with the normal slashdot user since most of them would likely have atleast cheap gaming video cards that have atleast some sort of cooling. I attest almost all of the video cards I have bought would be able to handle playing long hours even overclocked.
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Hopefully the fed-ex guy won't have a hernia delivering it.
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anyone able to rip looking glass from the livecd, so i can use it on my gentoo box?
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When I looked at the screen shots, I am seeing something that reminds me of some of the new Longhorn gadgets... or things that have been said to become new Longhorn features.
Transparency, 3D positioning of windows.
10 bucks says that Sun offering will have about 1/2 the system requirements that Longhorn will have when it finally comes out.
I like the looks of this. Very clean. Very fresh. This will make potential Longhorn customers take a 2nd look.
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What's wrong with RealOne BBC edition? No spyware there. Also the Linux and Mac OS X version of the standard non-BBC edition seems to lack the advertising you find in the Windows version.
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http://www.gcclinux.com/linux/viewtopic.php?t=92
This thread shows you how to get Looking Glass running on XP.
This is getting silly.
Seriously, if anyone here has downloaded the iso, torrent it pronto.
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Many posters are already bashing the concept of a 3D desktop. But if you listen to Jonathan Schwartz's description you will see that looking glass is not trying to be the definitive 'next-generation' desktop. Rather, it is an experiment, that is leveraging a collaborative, open-source development model in order to discover the next-generation desktop. I applaud their vision: they are generating an open, cute toy in the hopes of encouraging programmers to get involved, and help develop future GUIs. This project will help us figure out what features are useful innovations, and what features are just eye-candy that is wasting the CPU/GPU's energy.
Is a post considered redundant when it's the first post to mention the redundant material?
Site is now up, but download ISO is still slashdotted. Strange message under the download link, "Please note that this "release" is probably not functional." Why even release something that the people who created it don't think it's going to work in the slightest?
Too bad they couldn't make use of that extra spatial dimension for more bandwidth.
still offtopic though: Why not create a hybrid of html/bittorrent? Let everybody host the page they are currently on:)
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I can't host a torrent tracker because Washington University in St. Louis isn't friendly to torrent traffic, but as soon as my download finishes, I'll post another link to the ISO.
Do I really want to spend 40 hours downloading a 600MB file only to risk finding out it got munged because its MIME type is given as "text/plain". I do not think so.
Yes it's written in Java, and uses the Java3D API.
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No we're down to a ? KB/s and an estimate of 80 days so I'm off for a world cruise. I'll send you guys a postcard:)
http://www.titaniumforums.com/torrent/software/upl oadfile.php
Just do what the instructions say and there will be a torrent in less then 10 minutes
I tried something similar called Windows some time ago, I didn't really see any advantages to it over using a normal commandline . Perhaps this 2D windowing interface is different, but the whole thing seems pretty gimicky to me. Kind of like having a 2D windowing interface, just to say you have a 2D windowing interface, not because of any inherent benefits of using it. And the mouse can you imagine having to take your hands off the keyboard. think of how the typing speeds will suffer.
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I guess I'm the only person who thinks this looks really fucking stupid.
I guess if this ever became mainstream I could always shove hot pokers in my eyes.
Wait a second, what will this do for Pr0n?
As a linux user (that is user, not developer) I am pained when I find it very hard to google up why my keyboard input it pausing every 1 second for a split second, eating a key. It i enogh t rendr m txt unradble.
;-) mv just doesn't do it for me!
:-)
I am psyched about trying the 3d desktop, I am downloading it, I am happy that they did it. I am just sad they had to!
I went into a couple #linux places and I got some great advice, but the overwhelming advice was, have you tried slack? debian? red hat? do you get this problem in puppy linux? slax? vector? dsl? ubuntu? Wait, I am writing a script for you now... you need ruby installed though... (ruby to basically do rename S* K*... GNU people, please write a rn command! (or 'rename'))
Or the great: run GentOo!!11 reply, as if magically architecture optimised builds are going to magically fix whatever mod conflict is causing this.
Anyway, I realise that this is great, but also that even programmers like me have an issue where the redundancy of thier machines and time isn't always enough to stretch to trying new things on linux, and when something breaks a new distro isn't always the answer.
Enough about that, give me my 3d desktop!!!!
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but in the longer term i'm not convinced many people are going to want to watch movies back to front.
Might be better if we had something other than a mouse for navigation.
this is not a flame but a real comment, all videos I watched of this gave me nausea, the idea that the background move when my mouse does is very disturbing and not a good idea to locate items on the screen since everything moves not just the foreground or background. Each graphical element is way too big and actually nulify the idea, if you wanted more space out of this realize you don't because every object on the screen is now bigger, turning them aside doesn't provide much more space than windowshading does (the ability on the mac to collapse a window into its title bar), actually it provide less space because of the drop shadow and extra thickness, plus, now, you have too read from up to down instead of left to right, basically it is less usefull and more clunky than windowshade, but since it is a feature of a software that runs on Linux people will go nuts over it and call it usefull 3D even if its nothing but glitz and wizzbang...
Actually, Looking glass is like when you give Windows a resolution the display can't handle, it just shows you part of your desktop and now you have to scroll the desktop to go to each corner, imagine this concept in 3D, you have Looking Glass...
and then take a screenshot of a bittorrent client in 3d, and then post it to the java.net guys and say 'thanks for saving my upstream, and the upstream of 100,000 others, PS: I hope your network cables cool down soon.'
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TORRENT IT NEXT TIME!!
#hostfile 0.0.0.0 primidi.com 0.0.0.0 www.primidi.com 0.0.0.0 radio.weblogs.com
And it just seems to crash just before it loads the desktop. I have tried it on a 2100XP and Geforce 3, I will try it on my A64 and X800XT later to see if it works any better on that (but considering they say the ATI drivers suck, I am not holding out much hope).
I have shutter glasses that are great with flight sims, racing games, and some FPSs, but AFAIK it's a Windows-only thing, as it relies on nVidia's supplemental drivers for it... Does anyone know if they'd work with this for a *real* 3D experience?
(Shutter glasses are the 3D tech IMAX uses, vs. the polarization method from Captain EO, T2 3D, etc...)
LAAAAG! laaaaag! The great thing is - bringing users to linux... pause a game... switch to X... and have the characters jump out and blast each other...
spawn-kill processes...
My idea of a computer is an optical device that projects a virtual desktop any chape and size... projects it into your mind as if it is on the side of a building, the newspaper you are looking at... a particularly sexy ass on the subway...
also a virtual keyboard you can type on... just don't type when chekcing out a lasses chest... the funny finger movements aimed her way might be misinterpreted... the next thing you know our slapd.
#hostfile 0.0.0.0 primidi.com 0.0.0.0 www.primidi.com 0.0.0.0 radio.weblogs.com
After watching the demonstration video, I have to say that this looks pretty cool. However, I did notice one thing in particular bugged me about the interface. It seems that every time you open a new window, a thumbnailed version of that window also opened along the bottom of the screen. These thumbnails were contantly sitting on top of the bottom edge of the windows that were open on the desktop. From an aesthetic point of view, that would annoy the hell out of me if I were dealing with this windowing system on a regular basis. Has anyone here played with Looking Glass enough to know whether or not that feature can be turned off, hidden, resized, or otherwise made less annoying?
I haven't had the opportunity to try looking glass, but being a Gentoo user, it is available in the portage tree. The only downside to installing it in Gentoo is that it requires the sun jdk 1.5.0 which is a masked package, and according to documentation behind installing it: "1.5 defaults to -target 1.5 making downgrading to a 1.4(/1.3) impossible" meaning that once you install 1.5.0, you can't go back to a more stable 1.4, which is something you wouldn't want to lose only because it works almost flawlessly in Gentoo.
If anyone actually read the download page for looking glass it notes the following bugs:
# Bad ATI-drivers
# The 3D configuration scripts of GamesKnoppix will have to be completely rewritten, as at least on ATI cards they have no effect.
In other words, us ATI people (once again) will have difficulty getting 3d hardware support with the live cd running. I haven't been able to try the livecd out yet (still waiting for a tracker) but ill keep my fingers crossed.
Considering what I knew to be project Looking Glass
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They're claiming this is "Java-based". Never heard of this kind of stuff running any way except as native code. A breakthrough in VM technology, or more abuse of the Java "brand"?
The Schwartz demo provoked lots of applause, but I was pretty underwhelmed. There are a few cool-looking visual effects, like turning a window over so you can write on the back. But no case is made for this making anybody's job easier. Just a lot of noise about "community computing" and other warm and fuzzy concepts that don't particularly relate. Oh yeah, and of course Microsoft doesn't have this and doesn't want you to have this! Please.
The screenshots are 1mb bitmaps.
No torrent available.
Java.
All 3 terrible inefficiencies.
Kramer did it [watch out for the suites]. Just return to sender all thier mail, but smear it with shit first.
#hostfile 0.0.0.0 primidi.com 0.0.0.0 www.primidi.com 0.0.0.0 radio.weblogs.com
Has anyone got a link, torrent or anyway of seeing this ?
This is a UNIX system! I know this!!
I guarantee if this had been released for Linux or had originated from an OSS project, the messages on this board would be decidedly more favorable.
I don't see the connection between offering a torrent and decrease in server sales.
Internally, Sun is more of a software company than an hardware company, even though everyone outside of Sun sees them as a hardware company with a little software.
In the long run, sun sells software to sell hardware. So if they did offer a torrent, it could lead to more hardware being sold (even though SUn doesn't sell many desktop workstations these days)
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http://www.gcclinux.com/
Installation instructions for linux and windows xp in their forums.
that's not a mirror, it's just the IP address to the same server. try again.
but do we REALLY need something like this piece of shit right now in the linux world?
first, no linux distro widely supports even 2-d graphical effects that, beside being pretty, would be the logical first steps in enhancing productivity through gpu-based graphical effects (expose, for example, speeds up my daily routine extremely well now that i've gotten the hang of it (i just use the F-buttons, not those all-too-sensative screen corners)).
my second criticism i can sum up in three words: drivers, drivers, drivers.
we all should know that one of the biggest problems in acheiving a useable, friendly linux desktop environment right now is the overabundance of perfectly fine apps devoted to the same task out there, and getting them to ALL work together seamlessly.
IMHO, our path should be toward getting the basics of slickness down first (see xorg, freedesktop.org), figuring out original ways of using those technologies to better the linux desktop experience (as oppsed to copying expose, which could definitely be improved upon), and THEN work on candy-coating everything with the third dimension.
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Someone who has this, contact me over AIM[RichardDCrowley] or email [rcrowley@danville.k12.ky.us] and you can discreetly ftp this to me so I can host it. I can't get a connection to the IP above, and I'm sure a lot of you are in the same boat.
Here is the torrent so you can take some load off my servers. http://www.titaniumforums.com/torrent/software/ind ex.php
hurry and get it!!!
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http://www.titaniumforums.com/torrent/software/ind ex.php
Your welcome slashdot and thanks to http://www.x1communications.com/ for giving me the file.
This is really a must have if you're serious about your editing. You'll become a lot more productive. I've done some editing on my PB, but for that sort of work I rely prefer to stretch out on my desktop machine. I was happily using two 17 inch monitors for a while, but I eventually coughed up the cash for a refurbed 22" flat panel with 16:9 aspect. It's great to work on; I can have the timeline stretched out along the entire bottom of the screen.
OK, that might be overkill for you, or more than you want to spend. But seriously, even if all you can manage is another 15" monitor, do it. It will make your work so much easier and quicker.
And when this Looking Glass stuff is finally ripe, just think. Instead of having just one virtual room to fill with junk, you'll have two!
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
http://www.titaniumforums.com/torrent/software/ind ex.php
All day you have been asking so here it is Thank X1 Communications for hosting the only server with the iso we survived getting slashdotted!!!
"People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard
Where is the source code? Is it on the ISO? If not, we have the right to demand source code NOW, according to the GPL, and not whenever they decide to "fully release it to the community".
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
Some one please mirror this file. Im sure this site will go down fast.
Here is the site that i found serching through the sun forms..
Get it while its up. lg3d.iso.torrent
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http://www.titaniumforums.com/torrent/software/ind ex.php
good luck
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Found a torrent link on the java desktop forums. its pretty fresh yet, so get this thing cookin'!d ownload.php?type=torrent&file=lg3d.iso.torrent
http://www.titaniumforums.com/torrent/software/bt
What's your footprint?
no--looking glass is essentially abandonware.
waits patiently for Sun's servers to recover
I say we change it to SlashDDoS.
You know, the president the US admitted to abusing both cocaine and pot, and look where he is now. Where exactly are you going that would "tarnish your reputation" from lifting a file from a P2P network?
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If the site gets slashdotted then so does the tracker,since we host that too, but thanks for helping host the .torrent file
Unfortunately, after having used the posted torrent to obtain the ISO image file, K3B doesn't recognize the obtained ISO image as a valid image file.....such a nasty waste of time!
If anyone else has this problem as well, please post here and confirm this issue. I has just remembered to check to see if there was a checksum provided on the original java.net site, but I was unable to find one..
The title pretty much says it all - even if the above link works you're going to spend the next 4 hours downloading a shiny new drink coaster.
I got 2 coasters out of it.
Despite coming from Sun, the project is almost completely useless and goes in the wrong direction.
What they claim is efficient way to organise the workspace in 3D is a big fat lie. It's just an ugly and useless hack that doesn't even have the "wow" factor.
There are proven GUI technologies that work. These are
1) Expose
2) Virtual desktops, which you can switch between
3) Smoothly scrollable desktop, preferably with a zoom feature.
If someone implemented these (rather simple) ideas in one window manager, that would be almost a perfect environment, without any need for 3D (other than to use the 3D card acceleration and for cool visual effects). It doesn't make sense to rotate windows or workspaces, when you can zoom and scroll.
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If they can't handle a Slashdotting (this was announced yesterday, they've had 12 hours to get additional backup in) then it's not a brilliant advert for them.
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What Sun has tried is to give more room to the desktop by making use of the extra dimension. There are several points, bad and good, that are worth mentioning:
Overall, I don't see this type of 3d desktop as very important. If I want lots of information on the screen, I'd rather get a good 21 LCD monitor (or a 16 to 9 like the Apple Cinema screen): it's much faster to have all windows open at the same time, than having to click for windows to come into view/rotate them.
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Mod parent down. It's randomly generated data.
Why would I want to lick my monitor?
I think this might shed light into whats wrong with mac fanatics.
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I took down the torrent as soon as I found out about this. Here is a picture of the e-mail exchanges we had. http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeejvh7/sitebuildercont ent/sitebuilderpictures/assmonger.jpg
Seems like we slashdotted the tracker as well, as the torrent is now banned! At least thats the message Im getting.
From the tracker: "ERROR: rejected by tracker - This torrent is not authorized on this tracker."
First time for everything I guess.
Not Buzzword 2.0 compliant. Please speak english.
Sun has a couple of nice things worked into Looking Glass, but where are the cyberpunk-style 3D interfaces? You know the ones, where corporate web sites are displayed as virtual 3D buildings and you can fly between them. Where data is continually streaming by in various windows. Where you can instantly slide semi-transparent windows out and back into intuitively organized banks of thousands of data windows. It seems strange to me that Hollywood can constantly come up with cooler concepts for 3D computer interfaces than programmers can. Even though those same programmers have watched all of Hollywood's stuff!
Serving your airship needs since 1995.
Hi, here the official statement: Please do not expect too much from the LiveCD. It is at a VERY early dev stage There were some problems concerning the torrent images. I apologise for this and hope you did not waste too much bandwidth on downloading useless stuff. We need MIRRORS. Write me an email if you can offer one Thanks Christian Ost LG3D-LiveCD project founder
The posted torrent contains a faulty file check this forum for ISO links, MD5 hashes, and a new torrent.
How is this OT? You can't download the damn file because the FTP site is crammed full (or down). My observation is on the worthiness of a download - why is THAT OT?
Or is this about my politics?
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
http://javadesktop.org/lg3d/livecd-isos/lg3d-3-mar -05.iso.gz
Andrew
2 days later, the original link isn't responding and all the torrents have been taken down.
How do you get this iso now?
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Does this version not hang when X is starting ?
I downloaded the file from the official site, varified it with the following md5 hash, created a torrent and posted it on demonoid's tracker.
4 69/lg3dlivecd.www.Demonoid.com.torrent
Torrent detail:
http://www.demonoid.com/torrents/details/77469/
Torrent file:
http://www.demonoid.com/torrents/download/HTTP/77
MD5 hash:
5b6eeed5909b8b66cfbd28f98456e852