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Firefox 1.1 Boasts New Features
Distro Jockey writes "The Fedora Core Blog gives a review of the features we can expect from Firefox 1.1. Many uses have been running the latest trunk builds and seeing dramatic improvements in page rendering, managing many tabs quickly, and the much-anticipated fix for the /. layout bug. From the article: 'One major new feature in Firefox 1.1 is the "Sanitize" feature. This enables secure browsing with much more ease. Select the "Sanitize" option in the preferences and Firefox will scrub your profile of sensitive information (which you select in the preferences).'"
Huh, what rendering bug? I mean Slashdot looks like this to everyone, right?
(1) Does it finally fix that bug where sometimes images from certain hosts will stop displaying until you restart Firefox?
(2) Does it finally start to reverse the recent trend for firefox to become a huge RAM hog, or does it continue this trend?
RIP GOOG
Safari 2 still kicks its ass in speed, looks and general quality.
And back/forward can cache the rendered layout instead of having to re-render everything: http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=
Morphing Software
...it's called preview, not review.
So this will clear all my tracks automaticly when I, say look at the hardcore of porn?
Try hovering over a link in fark. It seems the text to display it is so complex, it overhwelms Firefox.
Funny, I just realized that firefox/mozilla created a rather messy layout of slashdot on my screen.
Maybe this shows that really only a site's content is important?
I for one hope that the MacOS X version properly supports the middle mouse button (apparently the nightly builds have before the 1.0.3 release, but that release doesn't). Additionally, I hope it also uses Emacs key bindings.
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http://www.funnyfox.org/
Sounds something like the "Private Browsing" feature in Safari.
Dashboard Widgets
My wife is an exclusively Linux user, and she does business with Candle-Lite. Unfortunately, their site is rife with IE-only garbage which makes it impossible for her to submit her orders online. If more people were using standards-compliant browsers, we really wouldn't have situations like this to begin with.
-AT
Working in a DevOps shop is like playing in a band made up entirely of keytarists.
But does it fix the memory leak? That's the biggest issue for me right now.
I like muppets.
Firefox 1.0 is very slow on google maps. Mozilla 1.7 is way faster, so are Firefox nightly builds. I wish there was a way to get Firefox 1.0 to work as fast...
So, how about that Firefox "feature" that keeps dynamically grabbing RAM as new images are displayed (at least that is where I am seeing it). Being a weather guy with my image looper adding new images every 5 minutes (and deleting the oldest one; the memory still isn't given up), I hate to see my browser using 500MB of RAM after a couple of hours. I was able to fix it with an entry in about:config called browser.cache.memory.capacity, but it would be nice to know if it is fixed by default since we will be rolling out Firefox on a bunch of desktops where I work in a few months.
Bryan R.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, or $12.50 as seen on eBay.....
Does it still have the f-ing annoying copy and paste bug where it won't let you copy things from the URL bar?
I haven't confirmed it myself, but this report says that firefox V1.03 is vulnerable to remote arbit. code execution.
Are you implying there was something NOT perfect about Firefox?
The Tiger version of Safari truly does load faster than Firefox now (this must have been a priority for Apple!) ... not sure if it's preloaded like IE is but it is quick now. Generally though Firefox is jus a better and more convenient browser.
There's only *one* area where Safari truly has a usabilty edge and that's RSS. The reader is *really* nice. Mozilla/Firefox could do something similar by improving Sage marginally (the article length slider is all that's missing it seems).
Is better syndication support (rss atom etc) being considered?
Or is v1.7.x end of the line that I read a while ago due to lack of resources?
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
See http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2005-05-07 for info on the javascript bug in 1.0.3 that allows remote code execution.
Doh.
My email addy? should be easy enough.
Nobody loves us. :(
Sounds like the "delete all private data" feature that Opera has had for several years.
Going down! Since this is Slashdot, I'll be modded flamebait for making an honest observation.
This isn't really so much a review as a description of features currently in the nightly. Firefox 1.1 isn't expected until June at the earliest. The roadmap (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.h tml) gives a rough overview of the timeframes involved right now, though it is not always accurate as it isn't updated frequently.
/. crew. Yes, an incredibly fast back/forward feature has been checked in to the latest nightly builds, but what they won't tell you is at present this feature is DISABLED. While that doesn't mean it won't be enabled in the future and might be enabled for 1.1, as it stands this feature is off by default and only accessible through a custom pref, so in its current state it changes nothing for the average end-user.
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Honestly, Firefox 1.1 isn't even in alpha-release yet. To take some highly unstable code and to "preview" it is a bit premature right now. I would call 1.1beta a better time to 'preview' things, as hopefully by then there will be a feature freeze and things will have stabilized a bit. I'm not kidding about the unstable bit either: up until a couple days ago themes and extensions wouldn't install in the nightly builds.
In fact, an article like this does a disservice because it's misleading the
This forums post gives a better idea of the new features to be expected in 1.1 with one line sentences: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=257
"Sanitize" sounds like having the X extension preinstalled but requiring several more clicks.
I actually found a "fix" for the /. rendering problem. If you go to https://slashdot.org, it never displays incorrectly. Curious that SSL should have any affect on what is displayed, but I've been using it for weeks with no ill effects.
Select the "Sanitize" option in the preferences and Firefox will scrub your profile of sensitive information (which you select in the preferences).
Pornzilla lives!
I think there are a few setbacks, UI wise, in the latest builds.
The new preference dialog sucks. I suspect it's design is an attempt to match what OS X users expect, since Firefox devs have this (IMHO) crazy notion that the product should look as identical as possible across OSes.
The whole thing looks much more cluttered, and it has the same bugs that the UI did in pre 1.0 where the text was rendered inside of windows all the time (Like in the toolbar customization pallete, or in the current prefs). Which makes me worry that actually it's an XUL problem. If text placement is a thing that's hard to get right in XUL, it makes me worry about it as a platform.
However, performance did increase noticably for me, and the sanitize feature could be handy. I don't offhand find it much more useful that the "Clear All" button under privacy now. But it is nicely customizable, and not loosing my login cookies is kinda nice . . .
The real question is wether it can pass the Acid2 test. Safari needed ~2 weeks to pass it. Firefox 1.1 is coming out like forever.
On a side note, if any FF developer is reading this: make it so that the download manager doesn't popup if you save _images_ (and other content which is already downloaded). Extremely annoying.
wait for the spyware slags get hold of this one
full remote execution of an exe with no user interaction
http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/397747/200
catching up with MSIE
...out of town.
Did you report it along with your fix? Because not everyone uses the image looper quite that much and this could slip through the cracks without someone pointing it out.
I'm sure they'd like to have as much working flawlessly as possible, so they'd probably really appreciate this kind of feedback. I'll assume you did report it (or at least verify someone else already had) and leave it at "this is the beauty of OSS" even the users have their part in the process (is IE displaying PNG's or CSS properly yet?).
Quack, quack.
Really "Private Browsing" and "Sanitize" should be renamed "Porno Privacy Browsing."
I'm sure people will use these new features to protect sensitive data and whatnot... but come on... most folks will use this new browse mode to keep their filthy habits on the DL .
"Things are more moderner than before- bigger, and yet smaller- it's computers-- San Dimas High School football RULES!"
Whenever I load a PDF in firefox it hangs somewhere during the initilization of Acrobat. It also hangs equally as long if I leave the pdf, and having firefox 1.0x shut down the acrobat engine.
But if I launch Acrobat as a separate program and just have it sitting empty in the taskbar, Firefox goes through PDFs just fine.
A strange bug. A frustrating one. One I hope they catch.
It's hard to make a good icon using an 'F'. The current red fox on blue world is pretty nice, it scales well. I don't use firefox much at all, but I recognize it instantly anyway.
True confidence comes not from realising you are as good as your peers, but that your peers are as bad as you are.
I really enjoy FireFox, but I still have two peeves:
1.) If I hit the middle mouse button and use auto-scrolling for something like this slashdot page, Firefox will use 30 to 40 percent CPU. And I wouldn't classify my system as slow(Athlon64 3200+ w/512Mb of RAM). Hopefully the can do something about this.
NOTE: Prior to making this post, I observed that IE holds at around 7 percent for the same action.
2.) Unexpected browser closing in v1.01 and above that wasn't present in the pre-v1.0 releases, such as when I'm holding down several keys or typing something in the browser and then switch to another page with the mouse, causing the browser to close (or crash, though I don't get an error message).
I'm all for open source and competition to IE7. But Maxthon seems to take less resources, can save flash files, and have little usability tweaks for tabs (i.e. activate or deactivate tabs for new windows, etc., location of new windows relative to original tab, and so on). Is there any tweak to make Firefox look like Maxthon since its UI is very "meh". Tips anyone?
Will it support ActiveX?
See my journal for slashdot ID's by year. Mine created in 2005. http://slashdot.org/journal/289875/slashdot-ids-by-year
http://blackbox02.cs.washington.edu:11223/cgi-bin/ firefox-1.0+.en-US.mac.dmg.torrent
Will they finally fix the title-tag bug that has been an issue in the browser for five years?
dinosaur comics
See you have the Microsoft mindset, that restarting stuff is a necessity. Doesn't matter if it is a small leak or a big leak, it's still a leak.
Will we have this old mozilla feature back? I want the URLs to be sorted based on the time they were last typed in the address bar as opposed to whatever sorting scheme that's being used right now in Firefox 1.0.x.
look at your location, slashdot just redirects the https to http, why bother having SSL and a cert enabled if you are not going to use it
perhaps this server is still running on a 486 but if mozilla can cope with the CPU load why cant slashdot ?
https would probably help those in opressive countries read this site )its blocked in quite a few)
but those freedom loving Americans wouldnt want to help if they cant make a an extra buck right ?
Yes.
X11 can use shared memory to accelerate communication between processes.
I have no idea how it's counted on which implementations though. It might be reported twice, it might not.
I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
And here we see the beginning of Firefox becoming just like commercial software.... they're working on new "features" to "sell" the piece of software faster/better/whatever instead of taking time to fix current bugs. If Firefox continues at this rate, it'll be no better than IE soon, and we (web developers) will be back to the drawing board, looking for another decent browser.
I've bought Nigel McFarlane's Mozilla and Firefox books (swell tomes, both) but what I'd like to see is a worked example using Python to script Firefox on the client.
Is it possible to do import the Firefox executable directly, or would you need to instantiate an HTTP server, and do everything against 127.0.0.1 ?
Firefox seems like an interesting angle on a lot of cross-platform development, or my name isn't Tiberius Claudius Drusus Nero Germanicus Caesar.
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
The Good:
- Back/Forward Cache: Yes! Yes! Yes! This brings Firefox one step closer to the way I feel caching should be done. Back/forward should always pull pages from the cache (ignoring meta expire), and clicking links should always load the page from the server.
- Interface speedups: Great news. I love Firefox's rendering power, but the UI is slow as hell. This should help.
- Rendering errors fixed: More good news. While I can count the amount the number of times I've seen the Slashdot bug on my hands, better rendering is always a good thing.
- Focus follows mouse: One of the best changes. I've had so many issues with the focus not being where it's supposed to be. For example, I'll switch to another window or tab, but the focus is usually still in the old one. If this gets fixed, I'll jump for joy.
- Sanitise: More privacy == A Good Thing.
The Bad:
- Preferences tabs at the top: I hate having tabs at the top--I'd prefer them on the bottom (the sole reason I installed TabBrowser Extensions was to get the browser tabs to appear on the bottom), but I don't mind them on the left side. But having them on top is just horrible. It looks prettier on the left too, especially with my theme, which places an image of a gecko in the background of the left pane. I'm also worried that my theme won't work with 1.1--I've been using an old version of the theme, as the author made a change a while back that uglified the icons, defeating the purpose of the theme (the version I use only uses two colours in the icons...). Officially, my theme only supports up to 0.9, but I've hacked it to allow 1.0 to install it--if 1.1 has any major UI changes like this one, it may cause my theme to choke.
- Live preferences: I hate these things with a passion. I like to be able to dick around in the preferences and not have to worry about screwing something up. It pissed me off to no end back when I used Galeon, and it'll piss me off in Firefox too. But, hey, I can tell that the Firefox devs have an agenda to screw up the preferences dialog as much as possible. They already moved it to the Edit menu a while back (WTF?), they already flipped the OK and Cancel buttons, and now they're adding these shitty changes too. If I wanted to use a browser with Gnome's horrible HIG, I'd use Epiphany.
I support the Center for Consumer Freedom
Never heard that one before.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Nah, it does not scale well -- the small Windows icon looks either like a "U" or just a blob of something.
If MS can make a good icon out of a "W", someone could make a nice looking "F".
Web Developer Extension
Here's another suggestion: use a browser, such as Opera, that supports disabling the referrer field. Granted, the last time I really used Opera was in the 6.x days, so I don't know if it still has that feature. Worst comes to worst, find an old copy of 6.x.
I support the Center for Consumer Freedom
Hm, I think it definitely looks more like a colourful sphere of some sort. Looks better than the small Opera icon, but perhaps not as recognizable. Where's the nice looking "W"?
True confidence comes not from realising you are as good as your peers, but that your peers are as bad as you are.
Awesome. Thanks for the tip.
I support the Center for Consumer Freedom
as you can see both follow a logical ordering
So why do Europeans need numbers sorted at all times? Are you all anal-retentive programmers or something? There are plenty of other things on this earth that are not sorted in the most logical manner by default...
It is a shame the world cant stick to one standard for display, but it seems to work out anyway. Thank goodness dates are all held as one number internally by systems that care to keep it straight.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
As long as Firefox is missing Sessions, User Mode, a lightweight and responsive Tab system, a Fit to Window Width function, a Zoom feature and the Magic Wand I'll stick to Opera. I always recommend Firefox as an Internet Explorer replacement, but for power users nothing works like Opera.
"The keyboard shortcut for this feature on Linux is control-alt-delete." - is this a joke?
and no mention of SVG rendering?
I've recently switched from mozilla to firefox and it's really frustrating not to be able to google search by typing my query into the url field and hitting the down arrow (like you would in mozilla). I'm sure this has been addressed before, but does anyone know how to make this work?
Ugh. Firefox is already too bloated. More features are the last thing we need. How about working on the CPU and memory usage? (Yes I realize those are Gecko issues, but with Mozilla Suite basiclly dead...)
Try using AdBlock to remove Slashdot's 1x1 spacer gif.
When opening multiple tabs quickly, it's much faster, such as when viewing Fark or College Humor. Firefox feels much more responsive now.
Be careful though because some extensions won't work with the trunk builds after the install, such as Adblock, though a simple reinstall will have you up and running normally.
There's an extension already (RiteOfTongue) that does spell-checking in forms in Firefox. I don't have it installed myself, but it's out ther.e
I don't see the problem with the Firefox icon, BTW.
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its been like that for months too
Have you seen this stuff?
l ist.php?application=firefox&numpg=10&category=Kios k%20Browsing
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l ist.php?application=mozilla&version=1.7&category=K iosk%20Browsing
http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips
https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/show
http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/pro/phoenix/kiosk.ht
http://malektips.com/firefox_0007.html
Maybe use moz instead
https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/show
You might also want to vote for this:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3341
The Singularity is closer than you think
Quant
free to download
free to alter
free of original thought
still doesnt work, mousedown reveals the leak but then it did anyway, hover still shows nothing in the status bar (i bet the porn sites are already exploiting it)
The newest version of Safari added something like the sanitize feature; here's TUAW's take on it.
a exploit is out. 1.0.3 spoof+auto dl
This is true. Just enable "allow websites to change status bar text" in the Javascript options in Firefox.
i THINK they are refering to Word or Works, but i dont have em on here, so not sure. last i remember it was a box with a big W in it.
Movies made by a crazy person
http://www.youtube.com/marginalpro
You can see the full instructions in Chase Phillip's weblog post.
I hope they finally gives us a new name...
imagine if MSIE did the same thing and made your plugins stop working after every update, people would be screaming for Gates head on a stick
once again thousands of plugin developers have to mess about updating their code (that is for the extensions that are still maintained) backwards compatibility is so important when 1 change means a lot of developers have to keep editing their "working" plugins just to change a version number or some minor change to the API
Maybe I'll see if I can send some info to the developer... It's such a useful extension. But I've never seen FF fly like this.
and since we're at it, let's give an emmy award to Chuck Norris and Steven Seagal :^
I certainly wouldnt mind an x64 win64 version. A proper one, not one that says "Gecko Browser" where extensions dont work, and plugins dont work (maybe it needs x64 plugins i which case I'm complaining about the lack thereof).
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
New features. Enhancements. Bloat. Then a minimalistic rewrite or fork will emerge. And the neverending cycle continues. So be it.
I didn't intend for my original post to come across as, "I'm mad because somebody wrote a page my browser can't render properly (wah!)" What I was trying to convey is that a large portion of MS's renewability of revenue comes from the fact that they have most people locked into propeitary (and often inferior) technology. This includes the way their browser renders, and from what I understand they don't plan on going 100% W3C compliant with IE7 either, for obvious reasons. This attitude only serves to hurt us as users of such technology, so I am all for the advancement of any technology that will support open and transparent standards. In this case, it means the well-wishing of Firefox.
-AT
Working in a DevOps shop is like playing in a band made up entirely of keytarists.
I wouldn't say tabbed preference screens fit in better with the Mac. Ideally, To be fully Mac-like, an icon bar should be used like Camino, System Preferences or the Finder. However, the current implementation is Mac-like enough -- icon lists like this have a long history on the Mac -- and arguably easier to use. I would rate tabs at a distant, distant third. Tabs on dialogs on the Mac are a sign that the designer didn't think things through enough (this from a programmer working on a producvt that uses tabs everywhere).
Well duh!
sweet! thanks for the info (and thanks for taking the time to look it up for people like me who are too lazy to do it ourselves).
The truth doesn't care what I think.
IMHO the most annoying 'feature' of Firefox is the requirement to be root to install search plug-ins. Normal users cannot add/change the plug-ins. This is covered by Bugs #123315 and #232638 in Bugzilla.
OLPC Australia
Doesnt seem that long ago that the goal was a lean mean stripped down version.
Maybe someone should fork a lean mean version and call it phoenix.
Can someone explain the slashdot/firefox bug to me? I have both FF and IE up on this page and they look pretty much identical to me. I don't see any problem in FF. What is it?
Thanks.
Does Mozilla have any sort of timeframe on which version will render this test properly?
Anyone?
/^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
Hmm, anyone with the latest builds know if they've fixed that annoying bug where if you have more than $X tabs open (varies with screen resolution), the icon for them in the tab bar is off of the edge of the screen?
ND
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when I read the news Firefox 1.1 !! But now I've gone flacid as I heard it won't be out for another 6 months! :'(
is anyone ever going to fix the div overflow mouse wheel scrolling problem? it has been around forever and really sucks.
Firefox desperately needs a better mechanism for pushing out critical updates. The little arrow thingy is easily overlooked. The Moz team is great about fixing vulnerabilities; it's just a matter of making sure everyone gets the fix in a timely fashion.
Mozilla proper is like a 25 MB download... Firefox is only 4.5 MB... and mostly does the same things as "just a browser". The memory usage is a sad but necessary thing... The devs are trying to get Firefox to true XHTML/CSS/SVG... as quickly as possible. The SVG nightly does really well with inkscape files... gotta make some demo pages to really try it out!!!
you rely on all the code that goes in to firefox to be developed by others, yet you complain about a simple icon? make it yourself for cryin out loud.
Right-click on it, click "customize", then drag it into the window that comes up. Now it's gone :)
For what its worth we (your Linux overlords) have the same trouble and I ended up running the 32 bit version on the 64 bit platform.
Meh.
Quack, quack.
is it going to be fixed up too?
some don't like FF's layout/key codes
A new version of Firefox has new features!
(As opposed to previous releases, which just had new version numbers.)
"Warning! There is no way to detect nor prevent this action, therefore the DMCA is a crock of shite. I can't wait until your Federal Appeals Court get their teeth into this one."
Warning! He's blowing smoke up your backside. The DMCA has nothing to do with the situation in question.
Yeah, yeah, everyone says it works for them, but I've tried everything to no avail.
So will it go through my browsing history and delete records of the porn sites, cache, and cookies that one may have accidently visited while innocently browsing through the internet?
It was something that all guys did. Commander Taco knew that he wasn't normal in most respects, but he knew how to wank. He wanked in the shower, in bed, and even in the forums once. He suspected that Anonymous Coward knew what he was up to, but he never said anything.
So, it was no surprise that when the rest of the school had gone home for the Holidays, and Taco and Anonymous were alone in the dormitory, they wanked. Not together, mind you, but they wanked.
The Commander had just slid his hands into his pajama bottoms when he heard Coward's voice.
"Taco? You awake?"
To say the least. "Yeah, Coward, what is it?"
Silence, then: "I can't sleep."
The bed sagged then and the Commander had a moment of sheer panic. Both his hands were still inside of his pajama bottoms; one hand wrapped loosely around his cock. He looked over at Coward and swallowed. "Oh."
"You do that a lot, you know." Anonymous said, matter-of-factly. "I can hear you."
Taco wanted nothing more than for the bed to swallow him up. "I... er... so does everyone else, Coward." He pulled his hands out and sat up, but his cock was still half-hard due to the attention.
Anonymous nodded, lying back onto Taco's pillow. The Commander could see that he wasn't the only one half-hard.
Oh.
"Since we both can't sleep, and we're the only ones here, I figured maybe we could do it together?" Anonymous asked him, watching him with a quirky grin.
He wanted to wank with him. He wanted to wank with him? "I dunno, um, if I can do it with someone watching."
Liar.
Coward apparently could, and before Taco could blink he was presented with the long, freckled expanse that was Anonymous Coward below the waist. Anonymous' cock bobbed up, out of the elastic, and he whimpered, eyes fluttering shut. "Sure you can, Taco."
Something inside of the Commander's brain was telling him that he shouldn't be finding this hot, but he just couldn't help it. There were only three buttons that closed on Coward's pajama top and Taco was suddenly compelled with the need to see more. He reached over, sliding the buttons out, and pushed the fabric open. Anonymous grabbed his hand, his blue eyes burning into Taco's own. "Your turn."
Right. The Commander's fingers felt too big and clumsy with his own bed clothes, but he managed to slide his bottoms off. Coward leaned over then, returning the favour by undoing the buttons on his top. "Relax, Taco."
Relax? How could he relax when Anonymous was hovering over him like that? "Um, I'm... trying."
Coward's breath tickled his ear when he laughed. "Don't try so hard, just feel." At that, Taco watched as one of Anonymous' large hands wrapped around his cock and started to move at a slow, casual pace.
Now, the Commander had never watched anyone wank before. He knew how it looked to watch himself do it, but he'd never really found it sexy or anything. This... watching Anonymous Coward... he felt like he could come from just this. Coward's free hand found his and moved it towards his waiting cock. "It's all right, you can do it."
Anonymous nodded and settled back, sliding his hand around his cock. It felt good. Actually, it felt amazingly good. He moaned and looked over at Coward. They were so close now, pressed together at the side, one of Coward's longer legs flung over Taco's. The Commander slid his hand up along it, and Coward gasped. "Taco, do that again."
He did, bringing his hand closer to Coward's cock. He wasn't sure what was compelling him to do this; as far as he knew, he was not gay. But this was Anonymous, and he wanted nothing more right now than to touch him. Anonymous seemed to understand and removed his own hands, leaving his cock quivering and in need of attention. He took Taco's hand in his own and licked the palm, causing the Commander to moan. "Go on, mate."
Coward's cock wasn't much different from his own. It felt warm and smooth inside of his hand and he loved the way Coward ar
So... maybe I just haven't used IE in such a long time I can't tell the difference... but, /. seems to render just fine for me. Can anyone possible post a comparison shot between Firefox rendering incorrectly and something else rendering correctly?
sig.
the two newest features of Firefox: Bugs and Bloat.
I think Firefox should have a REAL download manager, one where you can pause the download, DISCONNECT from the internet, RECONNECT at a later time, and resume the download. As it is right now, you cannot do this! Yes you can pause the download, but if you disconnect then reconnect, when you tell it to resume, the download dies and you have to start all over again. Firefox should have this functionality built-in without the need for an extension, for us who are forced to use dialup.
Did you report it along with your fix?
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Oh yes, because everyone is a C/C++ coder with the ability to decipher the gecko code tree.
Bad thing about OSS users: they assume everyone is like them.
Um, the original poster stated that he had a fix. Do you have a nerve issue with your knee or something?
No, not an Opera song :P
Sorry, but the fact remains, problems *STILL* have not been corrected on the MacOS. I know I'll be flamed, called a "herritic" and my karma will take a greater dive than if a Republican came out and said he was not only gay, but supported same sex marriage AND abortion, but here is my take.
Same crappy widgets, same crappy usage of QuickDraw when Quartz has been available for over 3 years. Same shonky memory usage (32MB, clean install on MacOS X 10.4) - good lord! Camino, believe it or not, is WORSE! Jesus Christ! when is someone going to knock these programmers heads together and get them to realise that demanding people have a machine loaded with a gig and a ghz processor is simply an insane demand, simply to get hald-decent performance!
My personal dream fix would be if they fixed the bug with OS X where if you are downloading something and you close all your browser windows (Not your download window) it will not let you open a new window until your download finishes.
I, personally, think the app menu is stupid. It was already handled. One edits one's envinronment, which is an edit, not a tool. But that's a subtle point. A tool does something. One edits one's world, everyday. But, whatever. I won't argue the point. It is too hard to explain to either th Gnome people, or you.
I forget what 8 was for.
that wasn't really a fix.. more like a temporary work around. A fix would be a patch for the memory leaks.
Help me take back Slashdot. When did 'News for Nerds' become 'FUD and Conspiracy Theories for Extremist Nutjobs'?
Thats fine But I dont care.
Can you configure your keybindings now? I mean, it sucks if C-a, C-k and C-u don't work properly. Of course it would be nice to have vi keybindings everywhere.
Remember the fresh madness of blind feature destruction before Firefox 1.0 as the Mozilla team tried to relaunch their geeky browser for use by the average windows/IE user?
/ 08/24/513-is-firefox-going-nuts-or-what
.rpm's for Firefox.
They took out the Javascript console, the stylesheet switcher, and even view source in some trunk builds. There was a huge uproar at this betrayal. Ditching the needs of the majority of the current userbase, loyal geeks, to make Firefox 'easier' for new users switching from IE. Petitions with hundreds of names were signed, and eventually, some of these were put back in.
We won some features back, but not at all. Many compromises were made, with features such as "find as you type" disabled by default (despite later winning browser feature of the year (even more impressive since it's not at all new)). These appalling default options make Firefox a pain to reconfigure a new profile from scratch. They don't make it easier for anybody. The navigation bar comes with giant icons, links are all underlined, and extensions are now a mission to install unless it's from update.mozilla.org And extensions are needed just to restore expected functionality - proper (XUL) error pages, a full tree in the add bookmark menu, copy image to clipboard, resumable downloads.
An old post, commenting on the fall of Firefox.
http://glazman.org/weblog/dotclear/index.php?2004
We need a Firefox forwards not back campaign. Firefox is in danger of becoming a dumbed down browser for Windows/IE users and perhaps no better (default prefs / no extensions) come IE 7. The Mozilla suite (Seamonkey) remained safe for geeks, but now it's discontinued and they don't even provide
We need a community fork of Firefox where the voice of the user is valued above media attention. Else we rely on the last remaining working Firefox developer not owned by Google to save us all.
As for the other poster, no we don't have to be C++ programmers. Just willing to help, which obviously your not. Thats the other great thing about OSS, your not required to do jack-shit. So relax and just sit there.
Quack, quack.
I have used firefox for years and this stupid unfunny shit makes me think it was made by microsoft to make people hate firefox...
Get this lame retarded shit off the internet and deny ever having anything to do with this abomination.
shouldnt /. fix the bug in the html code?
...given that Hyatt announced Acid2 compliance about ten days ago.
For those of you not familiar with it, the heap is where applications dynamically allocate memory at runtime. The problem is it is just one chunk of memory that is grown, and can only be shrunk if the memory at the very top is deallocated.
For example, you might be viewing a lot of large images in Firefox consuming lots and lots of memory. Firefox might then go ahead and allocate some dynamic memory during this period that gets tossed on the top of the heap. When you eventually close all those tabs, the memory where the images are stored are in the middle of the heap, so it doesn't actually shrink, and thus memory usage doesn't decrease. On the plus side, this wasted memory will be reused for future allocations, and may end up being swapped out (still bad, but better than being locked in memory that can't be used by other applications).
There's an interesting wiki discussion about this and other memory consumption issues for anyone interested.
Anyway, try closing Firefox and opening those four tabs again, memory consumption should be much less. Mind you, if it works you could just as well say it's a memory leak, so it doesn't really prove anything.
Also be sure you're measuring RSS, as that's a measure of what is actually in memory. VSZ just measures the address space size, a lot of which isn't actual memory.
If anyone is curious, my Firefox is currently consuming 56M with 22 tabs open (mostly /. articles and other morning news).
Failed to spot that grandparent was quoting a blog entry from a few weeks ago. Doh!
Hey, it's noon on a Sunday, I'm not awake yet.
-Turn the SOUND that plays when a Ctrl-F search screws up OFF by default (yeah I know you can toggle it in about.config but I'm tired of having to switch it off after every install/upgrade)
-Fix the memory leak (I go to work, come home, and the machine won't even run for 30 seconds when I click on Firefox, because I guess it is paging everything back into memory or something.)
-Headless proceses - If the browser crashes, the process should too, I shouldn't have to Ctrl-Alt-Delete and kill a process (Netscape flashbacks, please, no)
A lot of this seems to be devolving into semantic questions, as it should. This is semantics. A parallel might be to ask if you'd like the operating system to ask you the same questions every time you build [whatever it is you build]. If there is enough variability, then that might make sense.
I suspect, though, that settings for your app tend to default to certain uses. These changes are not something that simply installing the app on a blank machine (and sticking you in front of it) will provide you. This means that you have "edit[ed] your environment".
Applcations, today, are generally not (just) data, for modern organizations. One's preference options are extremely valuble. For instance, I can put a price on my .whatever files in my home directory. They are useful to me, and have taken me a long time to develop. I back them up, they are under version control, and they're insured.
When I used to work for other people doing layout, a part of my output was templates, in Quark format. That the app was both the nominal input and the eventual output tool was beside the point. Our actual output was printed paper, saddle stitched. I was building templates within our environment, which included output colour (down to custom setting for the plant we printed at), how we handled widows and orphans, hyphenation, custom fonts for headers, etc. Preferences, from the perspective of the application. If it had been a reasonable input, Tex would have been fine input for me. In which case, preference settings I would have been creating, and templates I would have been building, would all be much more easy to read, modify, and backup. It would have killed several important users, though. In any case, it would have cost serious money, had those Quark prefs ever been lost. To me, that is "editing my environment". Your kilomeratige may vary.
Applications may not be data, but they act on data that can make or, more frequently, break a company, if that company fails to notice what they're based on. I used to be a syadmin, too, and "loss of environment" scared me more than anything else -- environment, almost more than custmer data, defines a company. ( 'scared me', aside from "loss of raid", "loss of production environment", "loss of backup", "loss of sanity", "loss of trusted employees", in mostly that order. But you know what I mean.)
I may have mininterpreted your sense of urgency, and if so, I apologize. As far as the Mac aping goes, I have no inside knowledge, but it appears clear to me that Gnome developers find MacOS (less than 10) to be a model. I can't comment on the wisdom of ignoring OSX; I haven't used it more than briefly (we have a tiger box in the house, but I don't use it. I do kinda want to replace my Debian thinkpad, though...). There may be legal concerns, too. Jobs has been a prick there. In any case, I was only stating fact as I see it. As commentary, I would question the wisdom of the NeXT paned-open-dialogs and the over-reliance on flashy modal dialog effect, when providing a simple ssh tunnelling interface would be vastly more useful, but that may be me worrying what my company would like, more than what most companies would like.
In any case, the Edit->prefs vs. Tools->options, I thnk, is a subtle semantic point. Do you ask your hammer to behave differently, or edit the behaviour? I'm totally not saying one is right; but there is a subtle difference, which Gnome as seemed to have taken a side on. We'll find out if that was a good choice or not. In any case, for end users, I like that things are converging; I don't care if the prefs hang off the "Bite Me" menu, so long as they do so in every app.
Anyway, I'm just rambling. Fair thee well...
I forget what 8 was for.
Not mentioned in the Fedora Core aritle but according to Mozillazine, Firefox 1.1 will also include SVG support turned on by default. I'm told that they are allready turned on in the nightly builds for windows. Linux will join in later.
God is REAL! Unless explicitly declared INTEGER
Some 13 useful reasons for utilizing Firefox...
I have been getting more and more pop-up windows in Firefox lately. The pop-up blocker not longer works.
I'm not sure why, but obviously the marketeer morons figured out a way to break through.
the scroll-wheel-click finally opens links in a new tab on OSX! yay
Just installed the latest Trunk build (2005.05.07) and pages like http://www.warp2search.net/ scroll a hell of a lot quicker.
:)
I don't use tabs that much, so I can't comment on that
Thanks
Jan
Jan
SOLUTION [to a software bug]: Buy some more fucking RAM
You're a Windows user aren't you, Mr Pussyjuice?
I don't enjoy waiting. You perhaps do but I don't. Opera has had this particular feature quite a while now and I love it. Me like fast. You as we all know like turtles.
Yes, FF's memory cache does seem to grow without limit. If I leave FF running for a week then it can often hit the 200Mb mark :(
A bit of googling lead me to:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=1720 41
You can set browser.cache.memory.capacity to a lower limit and seriously curtail FF's rampant memory usage. It's really a whole lot better with a smaller memory cache setting.
Also, you're right about this being an argument over semantics, but in this case it's important: haven't you ever seen a newbie save their letter in the Word folder because they don't understand the difference between an application and data?
I believe that semantics are the defining features of most organizations. Face it, few companies do things significantly better than others in the same space - all you have is style, attitude and (importantly) connections. These are not strictly semiotically expressible things, but I think they hit the overall mold. Sfotware is an operationally important subset of this, but only a subset. I've been concentrating on part of that (namely, config), but configuration interoperates heavily with the core of companies, at least in my experience.
Here's my perspective: the application is the tool, and the document you're using it on is the data.
I totally understand your point. But tell me this: if we moved your office to blank machines (vendor defaults across the board, client and server), how long would it take you to get back to business as usual? And how much would the transition have cost you? That's what I was getting at as the value of preferences.
The value of a given business' IT is only measurable in customization, and the baseline of that is what we call "preferences". You go from there with neat tools.
I forget what 8 was for.
I think we may have diverged in the discussion. That's cool, it happens. I was, at least most recently, talking about the value of customization of a given app, within a commercial entity. Classification might be neat for later study, but money is on the line now.
Just trying to frame how I make choices. I don't do that anymore, aside from for myself. But metadata matters.
So you're saying that the tools are more important to the success of the company than the actual product? Interesting; I've heard others say that (in a different way), so I suppose it's true. I'll have to keep it in mind for later when I've got a 'real job' (I'm actually just a college student); thanks.
No, nearly the opposite. I'm saying that tool use and context matters for producing an interesting product. Then, you have to interest people in it. Plus, well, you know, context. I discounted that when I was in school, too. I used to think that being smart and having a good product was good enough. Heh.
I don't know what to say. Pay Attention, especially to money. You'll figure it out, if you want to.
I forget what 8 was for.
Status Bar is blank if the link has an onMouseOver with return true and your javascript prefs don't allow "change status bar text".
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40838