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Secure Data Storage... On Your Fingernails

opticsorg writes "Secure optical data storage could soon literally be at your fingertips thanks to work being carried out in Japan. Yoshio Hayasaki and his colleagues have discovered that data can be written into a human fingernail by irradiating it with femtosecond laser pulses. Capacities are said to be up to 5 mega bits and the stored data lasts for 6 months - the length of time it takes a fingernail to be completely replaced."

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  1. Fingernails by ozbon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ironic that this comes up at the same time as a poll about "least favourite finger" - now they can all be useful again.

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    1. Re:Fingernails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Boss: "Johnson, do you have that report yet?"
      Johnson: "Sure do boss, it's right here!" *waves middle finger*

    2. Re:Fingernails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      pull my finger!

    3. Re:Fingernails by RailGunner · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also gives a whole new meaning to giving Windows the finger...

    4. Re:Fingernails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Apparently Nine Inch Nails were way ahead of their time for massive data storage.

    5. Re:Fingernails by indifferent+children · · Score: 3, Funny

      Also gives a whole new meaning to 'ThumbDrive'

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    6. Re:Fingernails by Asgaard · · Score: 1

      hehehe same line of thought here

    7. Re:Fingernails by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah ... the Pinky with the Brain.

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    8. Re:Fingernails by stfvon007 · · Score: 1

      Now criminals will embed readers in their palms and go around randomly shaking hands with people to steal their data.....

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    9. Re:Fingernails by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      ALSO gives a whole new meaning to "indexing a database".

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    10. Re:Fingernails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      And I came up with this variation, in case you're *really* pissed-off at your boss:

      Johnson: "Sure do boss. Right here. I even made a back-up" *waves middle finger of BOTH hands*

      J

  2. But what if by LrdZombie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You bite your fingernails?

    1. Re:But what if by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1, Funny

      rofl I do :P "Aghh! what happened to my report!? It was right here on my thumb?!"

    2. Re:But what if by lordsilence · · Score: 2, Funny

      Future homework excuses...
      The dog ate my finger!

    3. Re:But what if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      you need .par files on your toe nails

    4. Re:But what if by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Funny

      that's old and busted

      the new hotness is "I lost my finger while cooking in a restaurant and some lady is using it as evidence to sue my boss."

    5. Re:But what if by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >> You bite your fingernails?

      Obviously, your data is screwed.

      If there were a pressing need to store data physically on something the size of my thumbnail, why not store it on - something the size of my thumbnail? I mean you could burn it on the back of a watch, or jewellry. You could even set it up so the surface you're writing to is better protected than my thumbnail and easily replaceable.

      Just because we can do something doesn't make it a good idea. I'll keep my usb thumb drive, thanks.

    6. Re:But what if by mattspammail · · Score: 1

      Another headline might read: "Another government department experiences stolen data. Finger of blame placed on technology department."

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    7. Re:But what if by JPortal · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my first thoughts exactly. This is another reason for me to stop chewing my fingernails... better whip out the clear nail polish again...

    8. Re:But what if by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      And what if someone will decide to steal your super-secret data with a pincers?

    9. Re:But what if by jsight · · Score: 1

      I'll keep my usb thumb drive, thanks.


      So you already have one? :)
    10. Re:But what if by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a general rule, I think any method of data storage that could encourage someone to "Get Medieval" on you is just generally a Bad Thing (tm).

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    11. Re:But what if by giminy · · Score: 1

      Especially given today's poll...which finger is your least favorite? That's the one the data should go on...

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    12. Re:But what if by Robert+Borkowski · · Score: 1

      Don't do that then!

      Also, keep backups on your toenails.

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    13. Re:But what if by Rubikube · · Score: 1

      I DO =( its a bad habbit, I do it when I am understress. If I have data on my finger, I might be encouraged not to bite them so much,

    14. Re:But what if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Easy, just do RAID-5 on your 10 fingernails:
      - 9 active devices
      - 1 hot spare (your left hand thumb)

    15. Re:But what if by Nivoset · · Score: 2, Funny

      your report is ont he tip of your tounge...

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    16. Re:But what if by satat · · Score: 1

      now I can be extra creepy by keeping my nail clippings in a locked box and combing through office carpet looking for discarded nail trimmings ... I could call it carpet diving!

    17. Re:But what if by misleb · · Score: 1

      Pincers? LIke Dr. Zoiberg?

      -matthew

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    18. Re:But what if by Proney · · Score: 1

      As a general rule

      Would that be a rule... of thumb?

      I'm sorry...

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    19. Re:But what if by GafferFish · · Score: 1

      Considering that toenails grow at 1/4 the speed of fingernails (ref Wikipedia), using them for a backup is probably not such a bad idea. Considering the larger dimensions of the big toe, I wonder how much data could be stored on it? The other toes are probably too small to fit much.

  3. article text, you know it might go down! by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Japanese researchers are using femtosecond laser pulses to write data into human fingernails.

    Secure optical data storage could soon literally be at your fingertips thanks to work being carried out in Japan. Yoshio Hayasaki and his colleagues have discovered that data can be written into a human fingernail by irradiating it with femtosecond laser pulses. Capacities are said to be up to 5 mega bits and the stored data lasts for 6 months - the length of time it takes a fingernail to be completely replaced. (Optics Express 13 4560)

    Fingernail storage

    "I don't like carrying around a large number of cards, money and papers," Hayasaki from Tokushima University told Optics.org. "I think that a key application will be personal authentication. Data stored in a fingernail can be used with biometrics, such as fingerprint authentication and intravenous authentication of the finger."

    The team's approach is simple: use a femtosecond laser system to write the data into the nail and a fluorescence microscope to read it out. The key to reading the data out is that the nail's fluorescence increases at the point irradiated by the femtosecond pulses.

    Initial experiments were carried out on a small piece of human fingernail measuring 2 x 2 x 0.4 mm3. The writing system comprises a Ti:Sapphire oscillator and Ti: Sapphire amplifier. Pulses of less than 100 fs at 800 nm are then passed through a microscope and focused to three set depths (40, 60 and 80 microns) using an objective lens.

    Each "bit" of information has a diameter of 3.1 microns and is written by a single femtosecond pulse. A motorised stage moves the nail to create a bit spacing of 5 microns across the nail and a depth of 20 microns between recording layers.

    An optical microscope containing a filtered xenon arc lamp excites the fluorescence and reads out the data stored at the various depths. "We regulate the focus with the movement of the microscope objective," explained Hayasaki. "The distance between the planes is set to prevent cross-talk between data stored at different depths."

    Hayasaki adds that the same fluorescence signal is seen 172 days after recording.

    Although the initial experiments have concentrated on small pieces of nail, the team is now developing a system that can write data to a fingernail which is still attached to a finger. "We will develop a femtosecond laser processing system that can record the data at the desired points with compensation for the movement of a finger," said Hayasaki.

    Author Jacqueline Hewett is technology editor on Optics.org and Opto & Laser Europe magazine.

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    1. Re:article text, you know it might go down! by SimianOverlord · · Score: 1

      "I don't like carrying around a large number of cards, money and papers," Hayasaki from Tokushima University told Optics.org. "I think that a key application will be personal authentication. Data stored in a fingernail can be used with biometrics, such as fingerprint authentication and intravenous authentication of the finger."

      I'd rather a determined thief just took my wallet off of me to get my cards, money and papers.

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    2. Re:article text, you know it might go down! by bedroll · · Score: 2, Funny

      Add extra storage: don't cut your nails.
      Data backup: save your clippings.
      The new dumpster dive: behind the nail salon.

      what jokes did I miss?

    3. Re:article text, you know it might go down! by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 1
      you forgot :

      data-mining: pick your nose
      data-wharehousing: the morgue
      database-connection-strings: ewwwwww

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    4. Re:article text, you know it might go down! by bedroll · · Score: 2, Funny

      This one's a little iffy..but, what the heck..

      Raid 5: webbed feet

      While we're at it: If you thought it was hard to type with one hand.. what'll you do when you've stored all your pr0n on your fingertips?

    5. Re:article text, you know it might go down! by Parham · · Score: 1

      So now instead of taking your wallet, a thief will try to cut your finger off... the data is a little more secure, but your finger definitely isn't.

    6. Re:article text, you know it might go down! by hazzey · · Score: 1

      Isn't it sad when an entire article can fit into a post without having a Read More at the end of it?

    7. Re:article text, you know it might go down! by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      > Isn't it sad when an entire article can fit into a post without having a Read More at the end of it?

      Isn't it cool when an entire article and all of its comments can fit on your fingernail without a Continued On Next Finger at the end of it?

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    8. Re:article text, you know it might go down! by mikael · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they could etch the data onto a thin-film metallic paint/plastic layer and then glue that to the fingernail?

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    9. Re:article text, you know it might go down! by kryptx · · Score: 1

      or perhaps they could write the data onto a USB flash drive and then glue that to the fingernail.

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    10. Re:article text, you know it might go down! by EZLeeAmused · · Score: 1

      byte-ing your fingernails?
      digit-al media?

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    11. Re:article text, you know it might go down! by JLF65 · · Score: 1

      Biometrics is assinine. Thieves have already started chopping off fingers to get expensive cars with biometrics.

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/04/fingerprin t_merc_chop/

      I'm not about to buy ANYTHING that requires removing a body part to steal it.

  4. nail biter by senocular · · Score: 1

    but I bite my nails...

    1. Re:nail biter by klang · · Score: 1

      you "byte" your nails?

  5. Already got lah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've already got optical data storage on my fingernails.

    It generally tells me I've been rolling around in the dirt, scratching myself, and have had an inability to touch anyone of the opposite sex.

  6. would be a good idea except by kalpol · · Score: 5, Funny
    Talk about thumb drives.

    Imagine losing your data when you hit your thumb with a hammer.

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    1. Re:would be a good idea except by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

      So in the future people will probably have a jar with nail clippings next to their computers? The future suddenly looks so disgusting..

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    2. Re:would be a good idea except by InvalidError · · Score: 1

      Imagine installing Windows or Linux from a clipping set.

      Actually, if you do the calculation, this triple-layer nail reader/writer has data density (KB/mm^3) comparable to DVDs: both have usable densities in the 300-400KB/mm^3 range!

    3. Re:would be a good idea except by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      I worry about the process...

      from the article....

      Although the initial experiments have concentrated on small pieces of nail, the team is now developing a system that can write data to a fingernail which is still attached to a finger.

      That might cramp someone's style if they do not figure that one out.

      and how did they come up with this? a few guys screwingaroun in the lab... "Hyamoto! shoot the laser at this! AHA! that was neat!"

      Glad to see that Japanese scientists and engineers screw around in the lab as much as their american counterparts...

      when I worked in a chemistry lab we spent 4 days figuring out a way to detect which playing cards from a local store chain were winners without damaging them.... using all that lab gear to circumvent a 2 bit promotion was great.

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    4. Re:would be a good idea except by subtropolis · · Score: 1

      imagine losing your data when you hit your hard drive with a hammer.

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    5. Re:would be a good idea except by Kanasta · · Score: 1

      Imagine losing your data when the secret service pulls your fingernails off...

  7. One way to be sure it's secure by haaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...don't chew your fingernails.

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    1. Re:One way to be sure it's secure by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's not all. Now, in addition to having to worry about computer viruses, you're going to have to worry about nail fungus eating your data.

    2. Re:One way to be sure it's secure by spot35 · · Score: 1

      What!?! Worry about real life viruses and ailments!? Live in the now, man! Live in the now

    3. Re:One way to be sure it's secure by JPortal · · Score: 1

      Yeah, not many people will have data on their toe nails... ...Yeesh!

    4. Re:One way to be sure it's secure by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      If you had taken a few seconds to look, you would have seen that people can get fungal infections in their fingernails as well - especially women who use artificial nails or nail polish, both of which trap moisture under the nail.

  8. "completely replaced" by tyler083 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Capacities are said to be up to 5 mega bits and the stored data lasts for 6 months - the length of time it takes a fingernail to be completely replaced.

    i admit i didn't read the article, but what about when the nail is partially being replaced?

  9. Duration by Arthur+B. · · Score: 1

    Err.. the nail fully replaced... I mean, when the nail is half replaced, half of the data is lost. Does it implie that you should not cut your nails ?

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  10. Where's Keanu Reeves? by Wiseazz · · Score: 1

    I see another spy/action movie with bad dialog in the making...

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      A modal dialog?

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  11. Identity Theft by airship · · Score: 2, Funny

    The article goes on: "Criminals are said to be stocking up on pliers and practicing their nail-pulling skills."

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  12. Lost Data by alvinrod · · Score: 1
    Sorry boss, but I lost the Johnson file when I trimmed my nails last night.

    Pretty nifty idea though.

  13. Toes by kevin_conaway · · Score: 1

    I'd rather keep it on my toenails, they (seem to) grow slower and thus, I don't clip them as often.

    1. Re:Toes by systemic+chaos · · Score: 1

      So now my data could be corrupted by a virus or a fungus.

      Fantastic.

      In Other News, McAfee trademarks the name FungusScan.

  14. Uh oh... by Evro · · Score: 1

    After weeks of stealth and subterfuge, the double agent finally arrives in Moscow. As he's anxiously waiting in the lab for the equipment to decipher the data on his left index finger, he absent-mindedly bites off the data on his right finger.

    D'oh!

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  15. Breaking a nail by Cyphertube · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Damn it! I broke a nail. There went my passwords!

    I love how they reported the results in megabits. So is that 5000000 bits? Whee! I usually do my data in bytes.... Divide by 8, no?

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    1. Re:Breaking a nail by GrenDel+Fuego · · Score: 1

      I love how they reported the results in megabits. So is that 5000000 bits? Whee! I usually do my data in bytes.... Divide by 8, no?

      If you divide by 8 you get a smaller number, which sounds less impressive ;)
    2. Re:Breaking a nail by aussie_a · · Score: 4, Funny

      Whee! I usually do my data in bytes....

      I'm going to do mine in nibbles if it's stored on my fingernails.

    3. Re:Breaking a nail by Infinityis · · Score: 1

      My question is, is that 5 megabits per fingernail, or total? Do you get 50 megabits if you use all 10 fingers? Can we do toes as well for a whopping 100 megabits? How much can we expect bitrot to occur?

    4. Re:Breaking a nail by anagama · · Score: 1

      When you think about it, 600+ megabytes on a part of the fingernail is pretty good density. Compare that to a, very much larger, CD-ROM of similar capacity.

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    5. Re:Breaking a nail by Cyphertube · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? There's no 600+ megabytes on a fingernail.

      It's more like 600+ kilobytes. Better than an old floppy, but not better than my USB memory stick.

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    6. Re:Breaking a nail by lcsjk · · Score: 1

      The end of my middle fingernail is approximately 1.4 cm across. The length of the nail is about the same. The article says that each bit is about 3.4 um in size and I assume that means somewhat circular. Now 1.0 mm is 1000 um and 1 cm is 10 mm, so 1.4 cm is 14000 um. Now, 14000 divided by 3.4 is 4117, and assuming a square nail (mine is not) the total number of bits is 4117 x 4117 = 16955 megabits or 2119 megabytes (8bits/byte). To get 600 megabytes you only need 1/3rd of my fingernail.

    7. Re:Breaking a nail by anagama · · Score: 1

      megabytes .. kilobytes .. what's the dif?

      Ahem, thank you for the correction. ;-)

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  16. Hmmm by Tx · · Score: 1

    Shit, I just bit off the end of my thesis!

    Maybe it's just me, but seems like a bit of a sketchy idea.

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  17. femtosecond by Vamphyri · · Score: 2, Informative

    I wasn't sure what the measure femtosecond equated to so I Googled it.

    femtosecond - one quadrillionth of a second; one thousandth of a nanosecond.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/femtosecond

    1. Re:femtosecond by Lewie · · Score: 1

      Err... One thousandth of a nanosecond would surely be a picosecond. A femtosecond should be a thousandth of that. Or so I've been told.

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    2. Re:femtosecond by Mahou · · Score: 1

      that doesn't sound very powerful. are they at all worried about sunlight corrupting the data?

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    3. Re:femtosecond by jrcamp · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can also have Google convert it outright for you. Just query:

      1 femtosecond in seconds

      which returns: 1 femtosecond = 1.0 × 10-15 seconds

    4. Re:femtosecond by magarity · · Score: 1

      that doesn't sound very powerful

      So you're complaining the laser isn't cutting on your finger long enough??

  18. So instead of stealing your wallet..... by cheezemonkhai · · Score: 1

    They will steal your fingers instead.

    Good move guys!

  19. attached to the finger? by Se7enLC · · Score: 1

    the team is now developing a system that can write data to a fingernail which is still attached to a finger.

    Yeah, I wasn't really looking forward to having my fingernails peeled off...

  20. Ouch! by mattr · · Score: 1

    A new sense of the term "data retrieval". 2005: Computing can now be equated with torture

    1. Re:Ouch! by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Of course its not torture. Torture must result in death or organ failure. Just ask the most likely nominee to the US Supreme Court* - he's reviewd and greead with that fact.

      Pulling off nails is just data retreival. Nothing to get all concerned about, especially if its done in the name of national security.

      *Alberto Gonzales:
      According to Newsweek, the memo "was drafted after White House meetings convened by George W. Bush's chief counsel, Alberto Gonzales, along with Defense Department general counsel William Haynes and [Cheney counsel] David Addington." The memo included the opinion that laws prohibiting torture do "not apply to the President's detention and interrogation of enemy combatants." Further, the memo puts forth the opinion that the pain caused by an interrogation must include "injury such as death, organ failure, or serious impairment of body functions--in order to constitute torture."

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    2. Re:Ouch! by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      Those guys have to seem some movies :)

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  21. Hey, I've already done that for a while! by hoborocks · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've been doing this for a long time! I have part of a speech I made on my fingernails...lemme see if I can find it...

    Ah

    Good morning. I'm

    here today to tell

    you about the new

    \--_______________--/

    Well crud, it looks like I DID clip my nails last week.

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  22. Question is: by Arthur+B. · · Score: 3, Funny

    Will it support raid-5-fingers ?

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    1. Re:Question is: by jfengel · · Score: 2, Funny

      And if one fails, you can just swap it out!

  23. Bill Gates by rbarreira · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now we finally understand the full meaning of Bill Gates' quote "640K ought to be enough for everyone".

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    1. Re:Bill Gates by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      You know, this explains Zaphod's third arm :)

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  24. and finally by sathia · · Score: 1

    after 3.5 inchs floppy, we have 1 inch floppy.

    nice

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  25. Long Nails by Nytewynd · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll bet we start seeing guys with all of their nails at 7 inches long. How else are you going to fit all of your porn onto them?

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    1. Re:Long Nails by el_womble · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wouldn't that kinda defeat the whole point of owning porn?

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    2. Re:Long Nails by Nytewynd · · Score: 1

      Good point. Looking like Edward Scissorhands is not exactly condusive to utilizing porn.

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    3. Re:Long Nails by tgd · · Score: 1

      Ouch.

      Very, very ouch.

    4. Re:Long Nails by Asprin · · Score: 1


      No, wait... not that one... I'm right-handed.

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    5. Re:Long Nails by gavriel407 · · Score: 1

      I'll bet we start seeing guys with all of their nails at 7 inches long. How else are you going to fit all of your porn onto them?

      Long fingernails aren't just for cocaine addicts anymore...

    6. Re:Long Nails by kryptx · · Score: 1

      Well, you wouldn't really want the data on your "preferred" hand anyway, because you need to have it accessible for data access. Just put all the pr0n on your LEFT fingernails and do your ... ermh... other activities with the right hand.

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    7. Re:Long Nails by Oniko · · Score: 1
      I was gonna comment on how that would really suck for you guys, but then I realized it'd be worse for females.

      Owww....

  26. Image storage? by syntaxglitch · · Score: 1

    Gives a new meaning to "thumbnail"...

  27. Interesting Consequences by DanielMarkham · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Things to think about:
    Girls break a nail, loose last month's vacation pictures!
    Would you back up some of your nails on others? Perhaps you could use your toenails as "offline storage"
    Sounds like fingernail polish would "erase" the storage. So then could you write to them again? Are nails only WORMs?
    What would the readers look like? Would you stick your hand inside your computer? Gee. Hope there isn't any moisture in there.

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  28. Storing large amounts of data in a small place by ReformedExCon · · Score: 1

    There is a theory that says that it is possible to store any amount of data on a finely-machined metal rod.

    First, take any data (for example the text to Moby Dick) and turn each character into a digit. A=01, B=02, etc. Then string them all together into one long stream of digits. Once the text is translated into this long number, add a decimal to the front of the string.

    Now you have a fractional number. 0.0301...

    Measure out *exactly* that length in relation to the length of the metal rod and machine a line at that offset. Voila, you've stored the entire text on a metal rod.

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    1. Re:Storing large amounts of data in a small place by Arthur+B. · · Score: 1

      Quantum mechanics states that this is not possible with finite energy.

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    2. Re:Storing large amounts of data in a small place by Nytewynd · · Score: 1

      That makes sense in theory, but the decimal would border on being infinitely small and probably too small to measure with any technology we'll have for a very long time, if ever. The end of the book would be so precise that if you are off by the tiniest amount you wouldn't know whether Captain Ahab was eaten or went out for fish 'n chips.

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    3. Re:Storing large amounts of data in a small place by be-fan · · Score: 1

      If I recall correctly, that's coding theory, and the decimal thing is the principle behind arithmetic coding.

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    4. Re:Storing large amounts of data in a small place by Grotus · · Score: 1

      The problem is that each character gets smaller by a factor of 100. So even if you start with a rod one parsec long and can measure with an precision of a nanometer, you only get around 13 characters.

      Parsec ~3 x 10^16
      Nanometer = 1 x 10^-9

      That gives around 25 decimal places between the two extremes, and each character takes 2 of them.

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    5. Re:Storing large amounts of data in a small place by arete · · Score: 1

      Yeah, except that theory is wrong. You run out of universe, you don't have enough material, your rod collapses under it's own gravitational force and you probably can't get to the other end to measure it in your lifetime. For 18 characters. (math below)

      Put another way: There are many, MANY more efficient ways to machine information onto a rod. If you could machine and measure multiple etchings with 1/9 of the precision I mention below (1nm) you'd get 1 Gb/m using the simplest of binary bar coding. You could instead use pits in two dimensions to get more density, and then you could move them really fast to read them quickly, and then you could make them round so you could move them in a circular motion. Then you could make them a convenient hand-held size. And then you'd have a metal CD/DVD. In fact, many CD/DVDs are metal in the data area, they're just covered in cheap plastic for durability. Funny about that, we just reinvented the CD. Well, I did, you got it wrong.

      When fine enough, a line in a metal rod has a discrete number of positions.

      Given incredibly ideal circumstances and a clean crystalline structure you could at least theoretically measure the distance to the precision of the space between molecules of that metal.

      Given a known unclean crystalline structure or a guarantee of it being at a convenient angle - and even MORE ideal circumstances - you could theoretically "machine" a microscopically jagged edge and measure the average of those positions to get the length. At absolutely best, though, even given stable positions and completely perfect measurement and machining, you're limited to a precision of one molecular space / the number of molecules in the edge.

      Of course, this assumes you machine and measure with something with at least the precision of a tunneling electron microscope..

      It's simple to experiement with this at home - take the tube from a paper towel roll (or similar) fill it with marbles and try to see how many unique lengths you can get out of it.

      Furthermore, your encoding system isn't bit-efficient. As a simple example, each decimal digit is about 3.3 bits. It should only take 4.9 bits (not almost 7) to encode 26 values.

      Or put in a decimal-only way - all possible permutations of 2 letters is 676. You can fit that in 3 digits, so each letter should only take 1.5 digits, not 2. So each block of 3 numbers represents 2 letters. You can actually fit 7 letters in 10 digits (1.43 digits) (The ideal case is log(26) = 1.415 )

      Even using another post's parsec rod, this slight compression, and a 125 pm precision (the covalent radius of iron) ... You still only have 3x10^26, you still only fit 18 (18.7) characters in that parsec rod. (or 18 character in a 3x10^15 rod.)

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  29. mp3 player by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 2, Funny
    but where will I embed the fm transmitter and bluetooth??

    And with no display, could Apple sue for prior art with the Shuffle?

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    1. Re:mp3 player by BewireNomali · · Score: 1

      funny, but with the oh so salient kernel of truth.

      this is interesting proof of concept, but with so many variables in writing to a biological substrate, this is where implants come in. I'm so surprised that no one has started doing ports yet - meaning body modifications for things like data storage, etc.

      Someone will put a 12 gauge ring through his face but not augment with an upgradeable bluetooth flash drive? Interesting times we live in.

      Well, I'll google body mods to see if someone's doing it. somebody's gotta be doing it.

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    2. Re:mp3 player by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 1
      I agree, next time I'm in my local tatoo-parlor getting my arm covered in "I love Mom" (okay lets be real, "I love Will Wheaton") I would love to see the sign that says "Supersize your tatto with 1 gig of skin storage for only $99!".

      Even then you know the guy with the 12 gauge ring connecting his penis to his lip would look over and say "man I'm never lettin em put that sh*t in my body mein!".

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    3. Re:mp3 player by failure-man · · Score: 1

      Google found some 1GB flash earrings.

    4. Re:mp3 player by BewireNomali · · Score: 1

      oh shit. good fucking find.

      I'd actually consider implanting a weatherproof/body-proof storage mod. 4 gigs and up - small form factor... replaceable once a year? I'd do it if it existed.

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  30. Re:6 months? by wcb4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There should be continuous data loss as the nail grows. I would assume that the 5mb that they mention would be the entire nail, but part of that data would be lost as soon as you cut or bit your nails, or if they broke off.... Not really sure what you would use this for other than biometric identification, but you would have to be sure that the person did not allow the nail to grow out completely and then cut it off and use the nail as an overlay later.

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  31. suddenly that "total recall" scene makes sense by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    remember the receptionist in that movie?

    what she was doing to her fingernails?

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  32. broke a nail? by Se7enLC · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now we'll see men crying when they break a nail

  33. corporate spying by pin_gween · · Score: 1

    So what happens when this technology is more commonplace? Will you have to place your hands under a filtered xenon arc lamp when you leave work to make sure you didn't steal any sensitive info?

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    1. Re:corporate spying by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Will you have to place your hands under a filtered xenon arc lamp when you leave work to make sure you didn't steal any sensitive info?

      No, it'll be like mobile phones with cameras in them. Your fingernails will have to be left at the front desk.

  34. Tin Foil Gloves by danl125 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Everyone! Quick! Put on your tin foil gloves so they can't read your fingernails!

  35. Pull my finger? by Chunt620 · · Score: 1

    "Hey Jim can i get that TPS report from you....." "Yeah sure thing Doug, ill come over to your office and you can pull my finger" "er..."

  36. Now nerds will be less embarrassed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...to visit the nail salon!

    Oh, I'm just backing up some data...

  37. Did you clip your nails? by msoori · · Score: 1

    Is clipping your finger nails going to be the new way to loose your data?

  38. lusers by no_pets · · Score: 1

    Great. Now some luser will break a nail and it will be our fault.

    At least she might be hot.

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  39. "Why are you biting your nails?" by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Just defragmenting my disk"

  40. Re:Secure? by danl125 · · Score: 1

    And why would it be secure?

    Because they'd have to take your fingers to get it.

  41. bad news for manicurists by Avohir · · Score: 1

    can they read the data through a nice set of nail polish?

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  42. Great, my data lasts until I work on my car by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Great, so my data lasts until I work on something that chews up my hands.

    Will this survive being GoJo'ed after I change my oil? Or being scraped up working in the yard?

    What will the bit error rate be after I've painted the fence and scrubbed the paint off my hands?

    So now I'll have to wear gloves anytime I do anything remotely physical? Better hope I don't break down and don't have my gloves with me.

    1. Re:Great, my data lasts until I work on my car by Iriel · · Score: 1

      Well you have to think about this logically: Floppy discs have plastic cases on them, so I'll just use clear nail polish!

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  43. Technically, by KevlarTheSleepinator · · Score: 1

    5 Mbits is about 625 MBytes (5e6/8) so its more like a 0.5 inch CD-RW :)

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    1. Re:Technically, by ahrenritter · · Score: 1

      Your parent was correct.
      5 Mb = 640 KB
      5Mb = .625 MB

      625 MB = 5000 Mb

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  44. Re:6 months? by AllahsAvatar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How much do you think this guy could hold?

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  45. winzip by stontu · · Score: 1

    i got 10 nails, so 50 mb in my hands...yuuuuhoooo Imagine using winzip with it: please insert package # 4....

  46. In Other News... by Zemplar · · Score: 1

    ...Industrial Espionage See Rise in Rates of Hangings by Fingernails

    News at Eleven.

  47. Coming soon: $20 for a manicure and a HD backup by jason718 · · Score: 1

    Coming to a nail salon near you soon... :)

  48. Re:6 months? by rbarreira · · Score: 1

    Fuck, that's gross :O

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  49. Hey, waiter! by Speare · · Score: 1

    Now that's what I call "digital" storage! The article says that they're currently only working with fingernail trimmings. They have yet to work on fingernails which are "attached to a finger," raising issues due to natural movements. Go to the local Wendy's of Tokyo ("Wenudisu"?) to find an extra couple megabits in your ramen. No, it's not an official promotion, either.

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  50. Ouch! by thisissilly · · Score: 1

    I have visions of data thieves, coming after me with pliers!

  51. Resistence? by Spez · · Score: 1

    What I think is the most important question that we must ask is : Is this technology "hit resistent"? I mean, is it like a CD/DVD (a scratch, data is lost)? If they could write the data deeper into the nail, maybe it could withstand a couple of stratch and hits, wich is daily life. If it can't I cannot see the utility of this.

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  52. SD cards by The+Original+Yama · · Score: 1

    What does this give me that an SD card and some superglue does not?

  53. Huh. by mcc · · Score: 1

    It's like Johnny Mnenmonic, but with more polish

    1. Re:Huh. by KD5YPT · · Score: 1

      And minus the permanent memory lost.

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  54. longer nails = memory upgrade by jasonhamilton · · Score: 1

    Why stop at 5 megs? Just grow your nails longer and quit cutting them.

    Anyone know how much ram the woman in the guinness book of world records can store in her nails?

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    1. Re:longer nails = memory upgrade by MaxPowerDJ · · Score: 1

      She could probable get a job as a data center in IBM or something...

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  55. Someone please pass me the nail file... by yestertech · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, the other one...

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  56. backups by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    so then, does cutting your nails qualify as backups?

  57. I'm already carrying stuff... by Thunderstruck · · Score: 1

    I still don't understand all the fuss about putting data in or on my body. Rather than tatoo data on my hand, or embed it under my skin, why not just make the devices I already carry more useful?

    To whit: Why can't I get a combination .375 revolver / 1 gigabyte pen drive?

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  58. When I'm driving in rush-hour traffic... by blcamp · · Score: 2, Funny


    One finger conveys enough information already without laser etching or anything else.

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  59. Little creepy by wolfemi1 · · Score: 1
    ...the team is now developing a system that can write data to a fingernail which is still attached to a finger.

    Okay, that's just a bit Frankensteinian.

  60. Adds new meaning to... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Ya, I got your data right here!

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  61. Old news by elemental23 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's someone who's already doing this. Granted, she can't store very much data currently, but it's a start...

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  62. Nine-dimensional space... by troon · · Score: 1

    From TFA: Initial experiments were carried out on a small piece of human fingernail measuring 2 x 2 x 0.4 mm^3

    That's 1.6 nontic millimetres. Plenty of data storage space there!

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  63. Obvious next step... by swillden · · Score: 1

    ... is a Linux distro that fits on your thumbnail.

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    1. Re:Obvious next step... by gg3po · · Score: 1

      We need a BIOS that can boot from the reader. Then you'll be able to boot linux anywhere by giving "the finger".

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  64. 6 months for complete nail by Jeet81 · · Score: 1
    It takes 6 months for the whole nail but i clip my nails every week, so I would loose a part of data every week unless I become unhygenic to prevent clipping off my data.

    Well their slogan would be something like this "Nail your Data" or
    "Grow your nails, Save your Data"

  65. Re:6 months? by Keck · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ay, but a 2d-bar code like this could easily be printed in the center of the nail, as to be less susceptible to damage. Keep a copy on the other hand, for backup! This could easily be used as an access key for doors, computers, etc; a person's password could be the barcode itself, or some combination (right index, followed by left pinky, or some crap like that) of them. You don't WANT those keys to stay around forever anyway, so nail growth would enforce password changes!

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  66. Think of what could come out of this invention! by Psykechan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Jimmy, don't bite your nails especially if you haven't backed them up first.

    or

    Try our new nail polish colors. They won't currupt your data.

    or even

    Oh no, I broke a nail. Please help me find it because it wasn't encrypted.

  67. Terabyte by CountDoodu · · Score: 1

    With all the gunk stunk in my coworkers nails, he should easily be able to store a terabyte.

  68. Practical? by Wookie+Monster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How practical is this? Since this is optical technology, wouldn't a scratch or dirt on my nail interfere with retrieval? Then there's fingernail polish.

  69. has to be said by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can have my data when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

    Because if you took it while I was alive, damn, that would just be torture.

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  70. Re:6 months? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    You could use your toenails, they grow about 4 times slower than your fingernails.

    But toenails have their downside too. When that cute secretary asks you for your expense report and you whip out your stinky foot next to her laptop, you just lost all your chances with her.

  71. Link to actual scientific paper by geeber · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those interested, here is the link to the published Optics Express article. Best of all, the full article is free to read.

  72. Re:6 months? by meringuoid · · Score: 1
    Not really sure what you would use this for other than biometric identification

    I'm thinking espionage. You can smuggle your secret spied data around, even past a full cavity search...

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  73. Demon With a Glass Fingernail? by unassimilatible · · Score: 1

    Surprised there have been no references to the great Outer Limits episode. Of course, Robert Culp had the entire human race encoded in his finger.

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    1. Re:Demon With a Glass Fingernail? by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1
      True. Unfortunately, most /.'ers seem to have some irrational hatred of The Outer Limits. Sure, it has more cheese than all of France and Holland combined (especially the special effects), but it really is good once you get into it. The plots were very interesting up until the suits started to demand that they do a "monster of the week" (which then pretty much doomed the show). I guess most /.'ers are too used to CGI to appreciate it.

      Of course, I'm also surprised that no one mentioned the episode "The Sixth Finger" in the current poll. Their ignorance makes me ill and angry! :-p

  74. Not so funny... by jmichaelg · · Score: 1

    You've touched on a real problem with the idea of using it as a biometric id. Forget nail-pulling - just take the whole finger.

    1. Re:Not so funny... by mizhi · · Score: 1

      As soon as people started talking about biometric IDs to securing data, I thought: "Oh great, so now instead of worrying about someone guessing our password we have to worry about someone ripping off our fingers/fingernails/eyes."

      Yippee!

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  75. Blade Runner Tech by Quizo69 · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of the scene in Blade Runner where he identifies the snake scale by the serial number etched into it at microscopic level.

    Could be a useful and non-permanent way of providing identity or other pertinent info while keeping open the option to remove it if necessary (no, not by pulling the nail but rather by filing the top surface down a little).

  76. One more reason by layer3switch · · Score: 1

    I guess, I have one more reason not to pick my nose.

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  77. Oh what a great idea... by suitepotato · · Score: 1

    ...even more reasons for organized criminals, state torturers, and other miscreants to pull your fingernails out.

    Never mind your wife's addiction to nail polish.

    "I don't care what a deal they cut you it was! The mortgage records were on those fingers!"
    Hmmm... Fake nails, chips inserted, stylish data carrying mechanism... Back off! Prior art!
    Just try patenting that Bezos!

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  78. Raid and redundancy! by abstrakONE · · Score: 1

    Wow, write all the data on one finger (say the thumb since its bigger), then setup parity nails just in case something happens.

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  79. Re: scientific paper (opticsexpress.com) by Bronster · · Score: 1

    Not for those who live behind content filters that block all URLs with naughty words like sex in them.

  80. intravenous authentication by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    "Data stored in a fingernail can be used with biometrics, such as fingerprint authentication and intravenous authentication of the finger."
    - from the article

    What the hell is "intravenous authentication of the finger" -- ?!

    Scary!

    -kgj

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  81. Continuos Data Loss by brainnolo · · Score: 1

    Well, the data loss would be constant because even if the nail is not completely replaced, a part will still be missing. Maybe using toe's nails would be a better idea, they are a lot larger and grow much slower than hand nails. But then again, i find this thing to be pretty silly.

  82. star trek by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

    Just last night I saw the episode of TNG where a Klingon was stealing Star Fleet records and encoding them into amino acids, which are injected into the blood stream to smuggle data off the ship. They thought it was amazing that the human body was used as the conduit of information. If only the Klingons had this technology, perhaps they would not have been caught.

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  83. Quick Storage by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    How many "bytes" in a fingernail?

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  84. Perfect Use for this. by fdiskne1 · · Score: 1

    I hereby post this to a public board to prevent money-grubbing corporate types from patenting this idea and preventing others from producing it.

    I think I've come up with the perfect use for fingernail storage. Substitute it for passcodes, door codes and biometrics. This has all the advantages of biometrics and fewer drawbacks. Here's how it works:

    Imprint a code onto a fingernail. At a secure door, you have a fingernail scanner. Insert finger. Code is read off the finger and processed much like a door code or pass card. Door is opened. After a period of time, your code expires or if it gets stolen (logically or physically [ouch!]), disable the old code and imprint a new code onto another fingernail. The old fingernail grows out and can be reused.

    Unless it is physically stolen, in which case you have 9 more! Okay, some drawbacks of biometrics are still there.

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  85. Parole and Visa identification... by stienman · · Score: 1

    This would be great for IDs and checks that you have to renew occasionally.

    If you don't check in to renew your visa on time then leaving and re-entering the country becomes much more difficult. If you don't get re-etched every time you visit your parole officer it is obvious when you are next checked.

    Put the etching closer to the tip for shorter periods of time.

    Use it for "buy ten sandwiches, get the next free!" promotions.

    Etch a new credit card number on every month - you know if someone physically stole the nail, and if they only got the number then it won't be valid after a few weeks if you don't notice right away.

    Could be coupled with fingerprint scanners. The fingerprint would not be stored in a big DB - it's encrypted on your fingernail. The scanner checks that the info on the finger and the print match so it's more difficult for someone to copy - they need both the fingerprint and the numbers, and the fingerprint never leaves the scanner. No need to worry about some corporation "losing" your fingerprint like they "lose" other personally identifiable information - they never store it in the first place.

    Then add a PIN and you've got a reasonably secure system - something you are, you have, and you know. Don't want it anymore? A quick swipe of the nail file and it's all gone.

    -Adam

    1. Re:Parole and Visa identification... by Anarchitect_in_oz · · Score: 1

      Along the same lines I was thinking Medical Uses.
      Etch prescriptions or treatment information on to the nail.
      Finger scan at Chemist to get the prescription filled and any repeats.
      If your in a accident the paramedics and ER could have a detailed record of anything that may effect their treatment options.

      Sure you don't have enough space for an xray of a broken limb but more than enough for highly useful information.

      So the nail grows out but drugs also clear our systems over time, so the position of the information on the nail will also tell them how long since the treatment was taken.

      Also Less privacy concern as information is not stored on some random database, but in proximity to the person.

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  86. Obligatory 'Mark of the Beast' wisecrack by starglider29a · · Score: 1

    "to receive a mark in their right hand"

    So make sure you only use your left hand! ;-)

    "By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes." --From Macbeth (IV, i, 44-45)

  87. Now here is a question? by nexxuz · · Score: 1

    With sensitive data would you have to destroy the old fingernails, or just risk just tossing them out? or maybe more people are going to start biting their nails... =]

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  88. Obligatory "Mark of the Beast" Wisecrack by starglider29a · · Score: 1

    "to receive a mark in the right hand.."

    Make sure you only use your left hand ;-)

    pricking of my thumbs,
    Something wicked this way comes."

    --Macbeth (IV, i, 44-45)

  89. Re:6 months? by mxf8bv · · Score: 1

    There's no explicit statement of the capacity per area, but I assume they talk about storage on their 2x2x0.4 mm^3 fingernail piece.
    Then you could burn the information on the youngest part of the nail and have the full 6 months of lifetime.

  90. Ha! They left the best for last... by TheUnknownCoder · · Score: 1

    Although the initial experiments have concentrated on small pieces of nail, the team is now developing a system that can write data to a fingernail which is still attached to a finger.

    I'd rather walk around with cash and credit cards than with a pocket full of nail clippings.

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  91. Lee Press On Nails by jeepliberty · · Score: 1

    Soon to be available in the a storage capacity to meet your needs. Sample ad here.

  92. Vietnamese could make a killing in espionage... by IronChefMorimoto · · Score: 1

    ...what with all the nail salons in the US. Imagine a lax CIA operative leaving Langley with anti-terrorism plans on her "thumb" drive stopping off for a manicure.

    Or worse yet -- waking up in a bathtub in Mexico filled with ice. A small note pinned to your shirt -- "Your toenails have been removed. Seek immediate medical assistance. Not for the toenails. We took a kidney too."

    IronChefMorimoto

  93. Imagine getting raided by the FBI and... by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

    they have to remove your fingernails as they are evidence.

  94. Fake fingernails by JPortal · · Score: 1

    Now the geeks with really long, feminine fingernails will be the envy of everyone... and everyone will be buying those fake plastic fingernails.

  95. That's all fine and good... by iamjoltman · · Score: 1

    but will my fingernail run Linux?

  96. In All Seriousness by ArchAngel21x · · Score: 1
    Who is going to store mission critical data on their fingernails?

    How easy will it be for us clumbsy people to damage the data?

    Will this method of data storage be used by terrorists?

    How many illegal ways will this be used?

    I don't see a whole lot of positive things about this invention.

    1. Re:In All Seriousness by BewireNomali · · Score: 1

      also... can you scan that data remotely? even if encrypted, fingernail data is in plain sight.

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  97. Re:6 months? by Cyn · · Score: 1

    No, there should be continuous data loss as the nail is damaged or cut. You should be smart enough to offload your data before cutting your fingernails, then re-image it.

    A better question, though, is how the data will actually hold up on an attached fingernail. Their tests were with a piece of fingernail, which was not changing in shape or undergoing any stress. We might learn something interesting and unexpected about how fingernails grow with this - perhaps it's not as uniform as one thinks. At the sizes they're talking, you might be lucky that your data is still arranged properly at the end of the day, let alone 172 days later.

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  98. Re: scientific paper (opticsexpress.com) by geeber · · Score: 1

    Wow, and I thought OUR company's filters were annoying!

  99. Size of a floppy by Shamanin · · Score: 1

    This is only 625K, less than that of a low density 3.5" floppy disk and this is exciting news? Sure, technically it is cool but functionally?

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  100. That's the new FlashMemoryCard! by polemon · · Score: 1

    Just keep your Fingernails after you cut them! They'd make a cool substitute for common FlashMemoryCards! (We need a NailDrive Nail-Reader though...)

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  101. A Boon For Hollywood? by smug_lisp_weenie · · Score: 1

    Hollywood has always dreamed of having Media that automatically expires...

    Imagine if Hollywood could charge you for burning DVDs onto your finger nail- In 6 months, your copy of the movie would automatically expire!

    *mind explodes*

  102. Great news for beauty salons! by InvalidError · · Score: 1

    Now they can offer data backup and recovery services to go along with manicures and pedicures!

    1. Re:Great news for beauty salons! by planckscale · · Score: 1
      yeah and just like those DVD burners you can etch logos, colors and insignias into your nails as well. Super fabuloso!

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  103. Fingernail muggers strike again.... by Sedennial · · Score: 1

    So now instead of, "gimme the watch and the wallet man and nobody gets hurt!", it'll be..."ok, this is gonna hurt you a whole lot more than it'll hurt me....*YANK*".

    And could you get L&I insurance or disability insurance claim for a torn fingernails now? =)

    And a whole new movie plot method of hiding the secret informtaion....encode it on the parrot's toenail!!!!!

  104. Re:6 months? by pionzypher · · Score: 1

    So now we have to watch for people digging through our trash, not only for confidential papers... but fingernail clippings as well. Either that or we need to burn/shred our nails. Hmmm, new patent idea?

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  105. If you need more storage... by rat_love_cat · · Score: 1

    Make each finger a drive in a RAID-5 array. Still not enough for you? add in your toes as well.

  106. USB by bkruiser · · Score: 1

    Can I get a USB version?

  107. Then and Now by charlieo88 · · Score: 1

    Then: We will pull out your fingernails to get the information we want.
    Now: We will pull out your fingernails to get the information we want.

  108. Oh great... More bits to cut off... by TractorBarry · · Score: 1

    First we had the man who had his finger cut off to get past his cars biometric locks (see The Register for details...

    And now "the bad guys" (tm) are going to start pulling out my finger nails "just in case" I've had some important data encoded on them.

    So thanks very much you Japanese whizz kids... Now all you need to do is figure out how to encode data using my nerve endings, penis & teeth so I can really sleep soundly ;)

    (actually that's given me some good ideas... "What do you think you're doing with my wife ?" "Er... just duplicating some sensitive information for the office - honest")

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  109. Ingrown nails by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

    My wife is a podiatrist and removes quite a few ingrown toenails. Wonder if she should add a "not responsible for lost data" clause to her standard waiver?

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  110. Data Backup? by Capt.+Caneyebus · · Score: 1

    So if you clip/bite your nails and you collect them, is that considered backing your data up?

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  111. I'm all for fingernail data storage by multiplexo · · Score: 1
    but I want to use a RAIF, Redundant Array of Inexpensive Fingers, so I'd use my 10 fingers for a RAID 1+0 and then use my 5 toenails (I had my left foot cut off) as nearline storage. This way if you lose a finger you still have access to all of your data, plus you'll get better througput.

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  112. Johnny Mnemonic by Rich+Klein · · Score: 1

    Sweet! Does this make anyone else think of Johnny Mnemonic, where data was stored in a courier's brain?

    <keanu>Whoa!</keanu>

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  113. Re:6 months? by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    I will never understand why eye popping grosses some people out. When I see it, it just looks ridiculous. I'd say the fingernail thing is far worse because the guy has disfigured hands and has lost his hearing in one ear as a result. The eye popper just pushes her eyes back into their sockets and she's back in business. I have to imagine she's got really good peripheral vision though... ;P

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  114. now I have to worry about my fingers by bethel · · Score: 1

    great, now when someone try to rob me at the ATM, they might want to chop off my figer too.

  115. Nail bed length? by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1

    Consider this factor to capacity: how large is your nail bed? (i.e. compare the length of freshly trimmed big toe & pinky toes)

    Aside from all that, the only real application I can see from this is art. Imagine etching precise patterns into nails, kinda like hena for nails.

    -MrLogic

  116. Ah, I understand now by Knx · · Score: 1

    A few days ago, I saw something strange happening at the office. A secretary was sitting in front of my boss with her panties off, and the damn guy had put his finger into her ... er ... you know ...

    I was a bit perplexed.

    But now I understand that he was just doing a backup.

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  117. Watch your garbage. by richi(3) · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that we will need an alternative method for disposing our fingernails, like we do receipts and old paperwork? Trash digging for fingernail clippings is an all new low in data/identify theft. Also very interesting, there's less anonymity when disposing of the fingernail clippings... Better make sure your fingernails are encrypted.

  118. Re:But what if you chew your nails? by Krenath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Simple:

    Data you wrote there six months ago is destroyed. Data wrote more recently remains unaffected.

    I'd think that if you were interested in any kind of long-term storage, the parts of the fingernail that were written to would be close to the nail bed.

    Unless you chew your fingers down to the first knuckle, thereby eliminating all traces of fingernail, biting your fingernails shouldn't affect anything recent.

    Now, for women, colored nail polish is probably the greatest threat. And manicures are probably number two, what with the sanding and polishing of the nail surface. But depending on the depth the data is written, maybe it would survive a manicure...

  119. six months? by ALpaca2500 · · Score: 1

    they say it takes 6 months for the fingernail to be completely replaced? am i just a freak with fast growing fingernails? a while ago, i cut a little notch in the base of my thumbnail, and i'll be damned if it took more than two months to grow all the way to the edge...

  120. Useful in hospitals, etc. by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Engraving a person's ID or even his entire medical chart can help prevent mistaken identity later on.

    I can also see it for Dementia patients who are prone to wander.

    There's also a ready-made market for paranoid parents, who will engrave their kid's names and emergency contact numbers on their nails every 6 months.

    1) Scare parents
    2) offer a panacea
    3) PROFIT!

    Speaking of profit...

    If anyone but these researchers try to patent the ideas presented in this post, it flunks the obviousness and if the "invention" date is after today, prior art tests.

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  121. Blogicures? Pedcasting? by jamrock · · Score: 1

    So when will people be able to get a manicure and have copies of their favorite books or periodicals, or even blogs, inscribed on their fingernails? Nail Salon.com, anyone? Although truth be told, some materials are more deserving of a place of honor on one's toenails, down among the grunge and fungus. Matt Drudge and Rush Limbaugh come to mind.

  122. Great, now I'll have to shred my clippings! by crovira · · Score: 1

    Not only do I have to burn them to shield my DNA but I'll have to shred them really really tiny to shield my, uh, corporate data.

    I'd hate to have to get finger printed. All the pits would show up. You'd have to encode them with PGP. Has to be another way...

    Have your S.O. keep track of your unlisted bank account numbers under a layer of glossy pink.

    Just watch her go nuts when she gets a hangnail. "Oh dear ... We can't go to Montenegro anymore. I just broke that nail. How much was there in that back account?"

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  123. If only Howard Hughes were alive by buddachile · · Score: 1

    Now there's a guy that would get a lot out of this tech!

  124. Two things to emphasize by Optics+Geek · · Score: 1

    I attended a talk about this work about three weeks ago at the Optical Society of America's topical meeting on Information Photonics in Charlotte. There are two things about this work that I wanted to emphasize. First, this wasn't done using a nail on a person. Rather, a piece of nail that had been trimmed off and subsequently polished before being written was used. They hadn't demonstrated this with a growing nail attached to a living person. Second, they were able to write three different layers at different depths in the nail, which I thought was very cool. Anyway, it was very interesting work.

  125. I think by iminplaya · · Score: 1

    this person can hold more than 5 meg. I would love to see her work a keyboard or telephone.

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  126. What part next? by Allen+Varney · · Score: 1

    Seems like if you can do this with the keratin of a fingernail, you could probably also inscribe information on a single hair. This raises all kinds of ideas for future spy novels -- data smugglers carrying nothing visible, but the hair on their scalp holds all the source code for Microsoft's entire product line....

  127. Simple by PlacidPundit · · Score: 1

    We'll just use some parity bits. It works for CDs.

  128. In Soviet Russia,,,, by VoidPoint · · Score: 1

    ...the finger nails YOU.

  129. notice the media size by sd3 · · Score: 1

    Note the media size they're talking about: 2mm square by 0.4mm thick. That's teeny. So for everyone fretting about biting your nails and losing your data, each finger could probably contain multiple backups of its own data (or better yet, copies of all of the other fingers' data).

  130. The new security through obscurity... by realmolo · · Score: 1

    Mittens.

  131. Dumpster diving for fingernails by snower1313 · · Score: 1

    Will identity theives go dumpster diving for clipped fingernails? Probably.

  132. Silly people haven't movies taught us anything! by megarich · · Score: 1

    Yea that's all I need know is to have some wackjob cut off my finger so he can use my identity to break into some top secret area and use what's their to destroy the world!

  133. Emotion by Eunuch · · Score: 1

    Remember, try to keep away from emotional knee-jerk reactions. They had plenty of those when interracial marriages was allowed or slavery was abolished.

    "Creepy" is not a rational word.

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  134. Oh the dilima! by lcsjk · · Score: 1

    If you are a spy and you are caught by the enemy, should you bite off your nails or wait for your captors to take care of that for you?

    1. Re:Oh the dilima! by lcsjk · · Score: 1
      dilemma - I knew that!

      THat's what happens when you let your fingers do the talking.

  135. Link to Creator's Abstract and Paper in .pdf form. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Here is the link to the technical paper: http://www.opticsexpress.org/abstract.cfm?URI=OPEX -13-12-4560 Enjoy!

  136. Finally! by fanblade · · Score: 1

    A good reason to leave my clippings lying around!!

  137. Gives a whole new meaning to... by merreborn · · Score: 1

    RAID 5.

    Stripe checksum data across all 5/10 fingers, for when you lose some.

  138. Now you will hear geeks saying by mikefe · · Score: 1

    Ohh! I broke a nail!

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  139. Comparing Optical Storage devices for the hand by InvaderSkooge · · Score: 1

    FINGERNAIL OPTICAL DATA STORAGE:
    Pros:
    5 megabits of data
    Lasts 6 months
    Information can be encoded

    Cons:
    I can't scratch at my fingernails
    Probably prevents use of nail polish
    Requires laser to write/read (expensive)
    Where am I going to find laser?

    STRING AROUND FINGER:
    Pros:
    Does not require lasers
    String is cheap
    Securely encoded using memory encryption

    Cons:
    I have to have this string around my finger
    I don't like having string around my finger
    Requires string to write
    Where I am going to find string?
    Requires memory to read
    Encodes very little information
    Lasts only as long as I keep unsightly string tied around my finger

    WRITING ON MY HAND:
    Pros:
    Does not need a laser
    I usually have a pen with me
    Requires no special device to read

    Cons:
    Can only store 5 megabits with very very small handwriting
    My handwriting is terrible
    Washes off
    Not secure: Other people can read it

    WINNER (until I get a laser):
    Writing on Hand

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  140. Play Some Football With Your Buddies by SlothB77 · · Score: 1

    Land on your hand awkwardly, lose you presentation.

    How does this data hold up in the shower?

  141. Byting your fingernails? by Temsi · · Score: 1

    Gives it a whole new meaning...

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    1. Re:Byting your fingernails? by sargosis · · Score: 1

      holy crap, that's the worst pun i've ever heard. kudos!

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    2. Re:Byting your fingernails? by Temsi · · Score: 1

      Thanks

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  142. Next up, the Jell-o Drive? by Thedalek · · Score: 1

    Okay, since flavored gelatin dessert items are, essentially, the same suff as plain old fingernails (plus some flavoring), does that mean that this system could be applied to, say, a Jell-o cup? Since you have a larger volume, you could potentially store multiple layers of data.

    Keep in a cool, dry place out of reach of children. And if anyone tries to confiscate your data, just eat it.

    Alternatively, if the "jiggly drive" isn't stable, you could increase the gelatin saturation to a more solid point, and encase the whole thing in a hard, transparent, sealed shell (like acrylic). Oh, and leave out the sugar and flavoring.

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  143. Newborns could be marked by myth24601 · · Score: 1

    One possible application would be to etch the parents names on a newborns finger or toe nails just after birth. Could be a failsafe to keep from having a mixup.

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  144. I suppose the data last avg. 3 months by RedLaggedTeut · · Score: 1

    I suppose the data last avg. 3 months, after which fresh unfragmented storage space is available

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  145. I'm sorry by calyptos · · Score: 1

    "But my fingernail clippers ate my homework"

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  146. Or use nail polish. by infonography · · Score: 1
    A new fashion trend to for Men, required by law for Data Security.

    I can see the conversations now;

    "Black Nail polish, you must work in a high security company"

    "No, I went to a Goth club last night and forgot to take it off."

    Reminds me of a Gibson's Iduro, Blackwell who had been a Toe Cutter I will let you look it up.

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  147. Nice idea, but will it work? by JasonTik · · Score: 1

    How many cameras see your fingernails each day?
    People will find a way of taking high enough resolution pictures to read the data off your thumbnail without you ever knowing. Forgive me if I decide to carry around my CD-RW (in its case) instead.

    What if my sister likes to wear nail polish?
    Will she lose the data she stored on her thumb the previous day?

    1. Re:Nice idea, but will it work? by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1

      If you assume the information is stored in a square (not unreasonable), then 5 Megabits of information is roughly a 2200x2200 array of dots. If it covers one square centimeter of your thumb, that's 220 dots per millimeter.

      If I took a picture of you where your head and feet occupied opposite ends of the frame using an 8x10 large-format camera, I still wouldn't be able to read your fingernails. The best picture camera lenses and Ilford Pan-f 50 film can both resolve around 200 lines/mm. Assuming that you're 2 meters tall, you'd be .25m tall on film and your 1cm fingernail would be 1.25mm on a side and represented by 180-250 pixels.

      So assuming you stop long enough for me to take a picture using a camera so large it'd be impossible to hide (occupying a cubic foot and weighing at least 20 pounds) and stay perfectly still during an exposure at least several seconds long, I'll be about 70 times short of the # of pixels needed to read your fingernails (Despite a picture so sharp I'd literally be able to count every hair on your head). Or alternatively, I could read them if you let me focus my enormous large-format camera on an area 5 inches wide.

      Now consider the cameras you encounter everyday: They are small format, 35mm or high-res digital capturing 1/100 as many pixels as large format film, placing them 7000 times below the needed detail. Unless they are wide open, diffraction will degrade the image to 100 lp/mm or less.

      And even if a high enough resolution sensor of any kind were possible, to keep diffraction low enough you'd need a lens half a foot wide. No need to fear camera phones stealing your personal information from your fingernails (or from a CD, for that matter).

  148. Femptosecond *lasers* by Anti_Climax · · Score: 1

    I don't know if the status quo has changed since then, but the last time femptosecond lasers were mentioned on slashdot (in an article about storing a TByte in a 1cm^3 cube of glass), a researcher confirmed that they took up most of a room sizewise.

    You aren't going to see this in use anytime soon, if ever.

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  149. As Seen on TV by Jedi+Holocron · · Score: 1

    Lee Press-On Data Nails

  150. NiN by EnsilZah · · Score: 1

    Now you can store your Nine Inch Nails MP3s on your nine inch nails... =o

  151. Where's your presentation? by carlmenezes · · Score: 1

    Oh! I just cut it off this morning!

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  152. IT Parents.... by carlmenezes · · Score: 1

    "Don't bite your fingernails! Make a backup first."

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  153. LOL, good one on the "thumbdrive" comment... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Haha, very funny comment on the "thumbdrive", only a "dilbert type" might get it, but funny nonetheless!

    (And, it dovetails into this from 1-2 days ago about "King Billy saying 'NO' to implants... & the point I was trying to make - nanotech's the way, in addition to possibly having augments of various kinds built into clothing you wear...)

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=154725&thresho ld=-1&commentsort=0&tid=109&mode=thread&pid=129737 23

    * This is a whole NEW twist on it though... lol, we'll start seeing GUYS with nailpolish on (normal guys, geek types), with printed circuitry!

    "Pretty FLASHY"... :)

    APK

  154. They haven't got this working on live fingers yet? by GafferFish · · Score: 1

    So, they've developed a storage medium that works on fingernails *not attached* to a finger... If this is going to be used for authentication purposes, I for one hope the final implementation of readers includes measures to ensure the finger is currently alive. Surely it wouldn't be too hard to include sensors to monitor for a pulse and warmth. Don't those dodgy love tester machines work off a similar principle?

  155. it would never work... by t35t0r · · Score: 1

    cause I have a bad habit of biting my nails.

  156. SHIT I JUST BROKE MY NAIL!!! by xedicate · · Score: 1

    Whe knew the day would come when girls no longer hold monopoly for moaning about broken nails...

  157. Re:6 months? by JLF65 · · Score: 1

    Wow! That's great! Right up until a mugger removes your fingers (better get them all, don't know which one has the codes).

    It's one of those "seems good until you stop to think about it" ideas.

  158. Re:But what if you chew your nails? by steveo777 · · Score: 1

    Unless you chew your fingers down to the first knuckle

    Guess there's no reason to worry about anyone recovering your data.

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  159. thumb drive by ctlemonade · · Score: 1

    Here's a preview of what it will look like!

    ~J.

  160. Re:LOL, good one on the "thumbdrive" comment... ap by unitron · · Score: 1
    " Haha, very funny comment on the "thumbdrive", only a "dilbert type" might get it,..."

    Or perhaps anyone who's been in a Best Buy, Circuit City, OfficeMax, Staples, etc. in the past 2 or 3 years?

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