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North Pole Heads South
blamanj writes "Things are not looking good for Santa. First, news that it's getting warmer at the North Pole, and now, scientists report that the (magnetic) pole itself is on the move. 'Earth's north magnetic pole is drifting from North America at such a clip that it could end up in Siberia in the next 50 years.'"
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Is it true that we are overdue for a reversal in the polarity of the Earths magnetic field? Would this be a Bad Thing for us humans if it happened soon?
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Is this a part of the cycle of the reversal of Earth's magnetic field? I always though that this cycle took much much longer ( but 1/3 of the way down in under 50 years?).
Quick, we have to act fast.. Lets assemble a crack team of scientists to drill into the center of the earth and re-align it using nuclear explosives...
Coming soon to a cinema near you!
Quick, call G.W. Bush that the russians are stealing the pole to hide weapons of mass destruction in siberia !
We haven't found them in Iraq, so they MUST be some else.
i don't think it's news that the north pole is getting warmer, but the actual magnetic pole moving?
well now that i read about it the poles moving seems pretty normal.
"They found that the north magnetic field shifted significantly in the last thousand years. It generally migrated between northern Canada and Siberia, but it sometimes moved in other directions, too."
Santa doesn't live at the magnetic North Pole, silly.
In Soviet Russia, north pole switches you!
"In the game of life, someone always has to lose. To me, if life were fair, that someone would always be Oklahoma." -DKR
50% of compass owners wouldn't know it pointed to Siberia
no one can use a compass/map anymore or we would have a problem
Soon we'll have to flip our maps upside down...
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The magnetic poles have been moving for what, millions of years, and science has known about this for many years now. Magnetic history found in rock has shown the poles have actually completely switched places several times in the past.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
When I went to school I was taught that the magnetic poles swap places once every 23,000 years, so I guess the NP (or should it be SP - who knows?) is just getting ready to leave.
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I always knew global warming would have an effect on the Earth's magnetic poles despite the fact that it COMPLETELY DEFIES THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF PHYSICS. Oh...and I just LOVE how they managed to wedge the buzzword "terrorism" into this article. Lovely. I'll refrain from making a statement about ultra-liberals as I'm likely outnumbered in this forum.
The so-called "North Pole" is actually a south magnetic pole. Think about it: the north pole of any bar magnet you use as a compass points "North", but with magnets, opposite poles attract, so the north magnetic pole of a magnet points towards the strongest nearby south magnetic pole, so if it's pointing North, there must be a south magnetic pole up North somewhere! Likewise, the South Pole is a north pole.
qntm.org
Does this mean the South Pole will shift to Chile or Argentina as well?
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
Hmm, I can't imagine why...
... is it called pole-vaulting?
This does not bode well for our sources of travel...We have all depended on the compase on everything and with the movement it could cause catostrophic damages for plains, boats, and any other form of travle that depends widly on a compus. Then of course there may be those who would worry about the earth having violent reactions to a polarity change...imagine violent earthquakes, volcanoes erupting, tsunamis, and any other kind of major disastor we can imagine. All of this effected by a change in polarity...
I wonder what will happen when I flush the toilets
Will it still flush counter-clockwise on northern hemisphere ?
But this site sure has them and this site has some too.
Read them. They are worth it.
It looks like there are two magnetic norths on the planet. Our current one looks like it is just the additive of the major and minor magnetic fields of the earth with their collective strengths oscillating over time... hence the apparent movement.
Those crazy stoners. They're always analyzing something...
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1. The north pole is defined by magnetic north. If the magnetic north shifts, so does the north pole. It isn't moving south because it's the definition of north.
2. Even if you interpreted it as the author intended, Siberia is not south of the US. It's to the west, east or north (through the north pole is the shorter route), but not to the south.
This just proves that so-called "global warming" is simply a natural phenomenon caused by the migration of the magnetic poles.
Go ahead, mod me funny now, but you just wait until the intellectual elites on radio talk shows start claiming exactly that.
Ok but the poles flip fairly often, geologicaly, to quote new scientist
"Records of the field direction, frozen into sediments laid down on the seabed, show that the magnetic field has reversed hundreds of times in the past 400 million years."
as for killing us due to a reduction in the magnetic field. Nope
"Their simulations show that the solar wind - the million-kilometre-an-hour stream of hydrogen and helium nuclei from the sun - wraps itself around the Earth in a way that induces a magnetic field in the ionosphere as strong as the original field."
makes sense really as the earth isn a dried up husk.
stroy here
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4985
The magnetic North Pole has never been a single point.
It has always been a general area, and at any given point of time, the *actual* North Pole would be somewhere in that area.
So, given that, this is not really surprising.
North pole is always the north by definition. So no matter where it goes, it can't 'head south'.
First, they were trying to steal the Internet. And now this! America needs to let the rest of the world know that we will NOT give up control of the magnetic North Pole. The Nation's security is at stake!
Great. First control of Internet, now this!
now i'm going to have to relabel all my magnets.
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Thursday December 8, 2005
The Guardian
Of all the myths that have grown up around open source software, perhaps the most pervasive is Eric Raymond's aphorism that "Many eyes make bugs shallow", suggesting that if lots of people can view a program's source code, they will find and fix its errors more quickly than commercial products whose code is jealously guarded. The only problem with this is that it's not true - certainly not in one of the flagship projects of open source, OpenOffice.
This project is most often quoted as the threat to Microsoft's cash-generating Office suite. The free suite comprises a word processor, spreadsheet and presentation program; and graphics, equation editor and database programs if you want.
OpenOffice is the only free and open source product competitive with Office, able to read and write Microsoft format documents almost flawlessly. For Linux desktop users, it is the only way to communicate in the universe of business. But it also vividly demonstrates the limitations of open source as a way of producing software, and its futility as an ideology.
I like OpenOffice. I used it long before it was usable, out of a mixture of perversity, stinginess, and vague anti-Microsoft sentiment. When I started writing books, I had Microsoft Word 97, which could not print a 60,000-word manuscript without crashing. I have written numerous macros (which automate less obvious, or screamingly obvious, tasks), including the word count for version 1. I have done quality assurance work, submitting reports on bugs and testing those reported by others. So I know something about the open source "community" and the enormous gap between myth and reality.
Improbable assumptions
The reality is that any computer user probably depends on open source programs every time they look up anything on the net. But they don't know that, and they don't have to.
The myth of open source rests on two improbable assumptions. The first is that a significant proportion of users can fix bugs. That is true at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where the concept of open source was first formalised in the 1980s by Richard Stallman and others, and it is true in some of the geekier corners of the internet. But on programs intended for use by the non-programming public, it's a very different story.
This is important because of the second crucial false assumption: that even if not all users can fix a bug, they can help find them. They can't. Most users just think: "The computer isn't doing what I want."
Big commercial software companies know this well. When developing products for the public, they spend a lot of money on usability testing to find out what users expect from software, and how to meet those expectations. Companies lose from user dissatisfaction in a way open source software doesn't, and so have an incentive to avoid errors in the first place: the number of calls to a support desk grows exponentially with the number of bugs and users. Where's the support desk for OpenOffice?
Despite the open source rhetoric, OpenOffice actually started as a commercial product - StarOffice, from Germany's StarDivision - before being bought in October 1999 by Sun Microsystems. Almost all the work on it is now done by about 100 full-time Sun programmers. That is a tiny fraction of the armies Microsoft or Google can deploy to solve a problem.
But what about the innumerable volunteers who can download the code and fix what they like? They take one look at the effort involved and run. OpenOffice is an extremely complex mountain of source code. As far as I know, in the five years it has been available as open source, not one contribution to the program has come from amateurs. The outsiders who have provided input have been full-time professionals employed by Linux companies to help make the software
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that would be a very bad thing. The magnetosphere currently protects our planet from the solar wind. A significantly weakened magnetic field would allow the solar wind to ionize Earth's atmosphere and carry it off into space (read this NASA webpage for more info). Needless to say, that would be very bad. Polarity reversals have occurred frequently in Earth's history, and some argue that they coincide with mass extinction events.
Gamma rays are photons - i.e. light. They are not affected by the weak magnetif field surrounding the earth. Loss of the magnetic field would be devestating long term because it would make it easier for solar winds to slowly strip away the upper atmosphere.
But... a weakened field for a few decades will not send us all to early graves. The biggest impact of a changing magnetic field would be to:
- Navigation. I guess we all have to adjust to GPS and similar.
- Animal navigation. Sadly birds, fish, etc. haven't yet implemented and learned how to use GPS. They'll have loads of trouble.
In terms of dangers it poses to us in the next hundred or so years, should this be a continuation of the existing decrease/beginning of reversal in field strength, it's importance is way below things like climate change, oil reserves running out, etc.
Nuisance for us, a bitch for animals that rely on it to migrate, but as a race, the danger from it is effectively zero.
The article doesn't say the North pole might move to Siberia in the next 50 years.
What it does say is that movement of the pole over the next 50 years may mean the Aurora shifts from Alaska to Siberia. The Aurora is a result of the overall magnetic field position.
While it does often that a very long time to poles to shift and temperature to change when I was in school and looking at the historical data you will find the change in temperature and change in poles is not one of a current change. It seams to have in the past at certain times in history taken sudden changes and in fact we are currently behind in the shifting of both according to the historical records. How valid these records are is up for debate but I think all the earth is doing is just trying to equalize itself. Heck I'm in canada and its december and we haven't had snow yet or had to mitts! I'm all for this!
Edgar Cayce predicted this would happen and castrophes would ensue.
End of the world:)
North Pole Heads South
Well, it didn't have much choice, did it? The north pole is the only place on earth where no matter where you're going, you're going south. So what's all the fuss about?
(of course the fact that it is actually moving is quite a story)
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/gallery_np.html
Watch as the pole shifts oh sooo slowly...
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
I'm not realy concerned about planes, boats and other ways we travel (GPS), but what about the birds (or any other species that migrates).
Don't they use the magnetic poles to "navigate"?
Actually, since the North Pole is the northernmost point there is, no matter what direction it moves in, it's going south. So it was inevitable.
I knew it. It's all the Alternating Current power line pollution that not only cause cancer in cockroaches but is also altering the magnetic field of the earth and changing the location of one of the poles. We need the government to fix this. We can't allow the corporations to continue to profiteer off the backs of their investors.
All those boyscouts with compasses laughing at me when my GPS fails once in a while! All your compasses will fail you completely. JUSTICE!
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In Soviet Russia, the north pole magnetizes YOU.
So... if the NP is going S, where is the SP going?
Wouldn't it follow that if one is moving, the other is as well?
Man, ever heard about GPS? Its been quite a while since anything has relied on compasses to position itself!,
GPS is not an approved method of navigation for aircraft, it is only intended as a supplementary navaid to VOR/NDB, your charts and of course the compass. I've no doubt that it will become the primary method of navigation in the future, but at present it's not accepted by aviation authorities as being totally reliable. A big problem at present is GPS's vulnerability to solar activity.
For all intensive porpoises your a bunch of rediculous loosers
If you RTFA you'll see:
"Earth's north magnetic pole is drifting away from North America and toward Siberia at such a clip that Alaska might lose its spectacular Northern Lights in the next 50 years, scientists said Thursday."
Yet blamanj quotes it as:
"Earth's north magnetic pole is drifting from North America at such a clip that it could end up in Siberia in the next 50 years."
These are VASTLY different statements - nowhere in the article does it give an indication that the north pole will swing that far out of alignment - only that the aurora may relocate over the horizon from Alaska. An actual shift of the magenetic pole to Siberia would be catastrophic, but a circular wobble around the north is merely interesting.
I understand the need to make spectacular headlines but quotes are suppose to be LITERAL by definition.
since it's the north itself, doesn't any movement mean it's moving away from the north, hence south?
That comment seemed odd to me. That would seem to suggest that Siberia does not get auroras now. I also seem to remember parts of Europe getting auroras as well.
Alaska getting LESS auroras would make more sense to me.
From the link mentioned above:
"They've also learned what happens during a magnetic flip. Reversals take a few thousand years to complete, and during that time--contrary to popular belief--the magnetic field does not vanish. "It just gets more complicated," says Glatzmaier. Magnetic lines of force near Earth's surface become twisted and tangled, and magnetic poles pop up in unaccustomed places. A south magnetic pole might emerge over Africa, for instance, or a north pole over Tahiti. Weird. But it's still a planetary magnetic field, and it still protects us from space radiation and solar storms."
A man is strolling through the Olympic Village and he sees another man walking along with a great, long stick over his shoulder. He asks the man, "Are you a pole vaulter?" To which he receives the reply, "No, I am a German. How did you know my name was Walter?"
1. Somebody will claim they have a patent on this.
2. The RIAA will sue somebody over this.
The field reversals of the earth are in many ways similar to the solar sunspot cycle. Sunspots are places where the sun's magnetic field is "tangled up", and happen as the sun's field reverses.
The same sort of "tangles" will happen as the earth's field reverses - the only difference is that since the earth is not undergoing nuclear fusion, we won't see "earthspots".
However, I wonder what will happen to the earth's magnetosphere and ionosphere as the flux lines break and reconnect - on the sun that is what causes solar flares as the energy contained in the twisted flux lines is released. Will the released energy from the earth's flux lines reconnecting be dumped into the ionosphere? Will they cause even more dramatic aurora?
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What about that Auroral Research Program the government is running? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAARP )
I know there's a link here somewhere. But I don't want to think too hard about it while I'm not wearing my foil hat.It all comes down to individual costs vs. group costs. The Left is more concerned with long-term group costs - not to say that they're not concerned with individual costs, but they're more willing to pony up for stuff that makes long-term sense. Conservatives, for the most part AFAICT, can't be bothered with worrying about the group costs.
I'm not going to say that not worrying about group costs automatically makes you greedy and evil, although the Left would love everyone to think that (and I would too, insofar as it might get the system changed before we're all choking to death.)
But I DO claim that being concerned about individual costs more than group costs makes sense from an evolutionary perspective - the individual mind must be more concerned with its own survival rather than everyone else's too. One lone organism can persist to reproduce, etc even if all its clan are killed off. Clearly, this kind of mentality had to evolve prior to group selection.
However, it's been said repeatedly that the history of modern morality and cultural evolution describes an expanding circle, in which more and more people are encompassed within the region of "people we need to care about and grant rights to." In modern times this has surpassed individual humans and expanded to include the whole environment.
So conservatives aren't wrong, they're just not caught up with the rest of the world.
Now, is it going to make sense when those on the Left who are crazies (don't deny it, every side has got 'em) - when they start targeting oil executives (why aren't those pansies doing that shit yet anyway!), is that going to change how people think? Probably not - but it sure would make those revolutionaries feel better. Not that I'm advocating that - it would be better if they'd just realize the error of their ways and start giving a shit about other people. That'd make all that x-tian rhetoric all the more realistic...
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Well, I've spent over half of my adult life on this planet, and have yet to see a cosmic ray pass through me.
I think that you're full of -- oh wait! There's one!
Hey, there's another!
Never mind.
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China's scientists have found a low tech way to produce rare earth magnets in village factories.
"Each April, scientists funded by the national science foundation, take advantage of a three-week window -- when there's 24 hour daylight and temperatures hovering around freezing -- to probe the polar ice pack. The ice pack that has been thinning and retreating for several decades now." No wonder it's receding if they keep poking and probing it so much. I'd shrink back too :p
which is totally what she said
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I used to have a sig, but I set it free and it never came back.
We'll get those birds eventually, with the help of our wind turbines!
GPS is for positions, not directions. It doesn't give you any directional information until you move the receiver to a new point, and it can compare the new lat/lng to the old, and say which direction you moved. Even then, this is implemented by the receiver, not by the GPS satellites, and if you lose your real-world frame of reference for which direction you moved (ie, it's foggy, you stop and go to sleep, you're in a desert, etc), you have to keep moving to know which way is north. Normally that's fine, but in some situations a move in the wrong direction can be dangerous.
Compasses give you the direction just standing still.
The difference between Magnetic North and True North historically (magnetic declination) is constantly changing. Clued people who use magnetic compasses are well aware of the dynamic nature of magnetic declination and take it into consideration when determining compass directions. For more information see http://erg.usgs.gov/isb/pubs/factsheets/fs03501.ht ml and/or http://www.geography.wisc.edu/sco/maps/magneticdec lination.php
it is a great tool for detection of POSITION, but it is completely useless for DIRECTION
Direction can be derived from multiple positions. It's easy. And thats kind of the point of having multiple satellites. You get your position lock. You move. You get your new position lock. Your difference is a vector. Guess what... that vector points... in a direction!
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Direct quotes FROM the article:
Damn. Even our MODERATORS don't RTFA.
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We havn't seen this happening in the last 200 years! It _must_ be happening because of human factors! We need to stop poluting the world with little magnets!
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Earth's defenses weakened, are we too distracted by Iraq?
N.Y. Times: Magnetic poles moved, GPS companies suspected of price gouging.
L.A. Times: Poles on the move, how long has Bush known?
Washington Post: Earth's magnetic field shifts. Women and minorities hardest hit.
Women are like electronics: you don't know how damaged they are until you try to turn them on.
but I embrace it.
I came across the web archive of an experiment done by the guy who used to run fanaticus.com, before he was shut down by the DEA.
He had read about how UV lights had modified aquarium plants, which ended up causing an ecological disaster when they escaped into the sea, via the aquaducts...
So he put blacklights on a timer in his mushroom growing cabinet, and produced an albino strain, AFTER the mycelium had colonized the substrate, but before it started pinning.
And the spores from that first generation of albino mushrooms produced albinos as well.
I would not be surprised if this is how evolution works -- after a major change, the first batch of offspring of any given species changes to adapt to the new conditions.
If we get exposed to more cosmic radiation or if the Earth's environment changes as a result of a shift in the magnetosphere, I believe we will evolved to cope with it.
If the fact that the magnetic poles are moving is news, then this is news too. Google for Precession Nutation for more info. Maybe the original poster should have been more specific.
The only thing the left is concerned with is convincing themselves that they're right. Sadly it can be said for some poeple in other "directions" as well but it does seem like the left suffers the most from it (probably because most of them have a nagging suspicion that they're totally clueless, which they are of course) :)
Ever wondered why it's mostly people on the left who spend so much time shouting their beliefs, having protest marches and generally trying to make themselves noticed? The only on the right who do the same are the equally clueless ones...
If the US had signed the Koyto treaty this wouldn't have happened!
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I remember watching a show on something like the Learning Channel awhile back that stated that what we now consider the magnetic North Pole is actually the magnetic South Pole. And that this has been the case almost since the last Ice Age or the last pole reversal.
If that is the case then in reality the magnetic north is the magnetic south, and the magnetic south is the magnetic north.
If the "magnetic north pole" is drifting and possibly heading for a pole reversal then we would actually be setting the poles right for the first time in recorded history.
Euphemism, what is that a euphemism for something.
Who knew melting the polar icecap would cause the magnetic north pole to free itself up? It must be a Communist conspiracy. They don't want our compasses to work anymore. That's why they want us using them their orbital mind control GPS laser satellites to navigate. They made sure we had cheap oil so we'd pump out more CO2 because they knew that melting the polar ice caps would cause the magnetic north pole to become unstuck. Since it's moving to Sibera that means it's an old Communist conspiracy.
God, what fucktard approved that badly written blurb?
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
"the north magnetic pole wandered about 685 miles out into the Arctic, according to a new analysis by Stoner."
Yeah right. The polls not moving YOU ARE.
put down the bong man...
I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
Get a good cartographic map. Look at the margin. On a good map, you will see a reference to Grid North (the vertical lines on the map point up to Grid North), True North (where the North Pole, the top of the Earth, is), and Magnetic North (where the compass points). You should also see a reference to the magnetic declination which is a factor you multiply by the number of years since the map was printed , and then add to the printed value of the Magnetic North. This then gives you the value of where Magnetic North is this year.
In other words, my poppets, Magnetic Morth moves every year and always has! Indeed the article makes reference to this fact. But making the assumption that since it is moving in a specific direction, it will continue to move in that direction is without foundation. It is well know to scientists (and Canadians) that the magnetic pole wanders about (quite slowly) in a random walk.
Just more crappy science reporting.
So, how are we going to blame this on global warming as well? :)
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Every day, I hear about it. Global warming this, global warming that, doom, gloom, and FUD. Got a hurricane problem? Well, it's obviously because of global warming, not a long-term, unrelated trend. Hot day? Well, that's global warming too, not just a high-pressure system. Global warming is even getting blamed for allergies:
l ergy_rise.html
http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/051122_al
What's next, missing socks blamed on global warming?
Seriously, though, I'm not saying that there's no human factor in the current climate change, I'm just saying that the climate change is probably not as bad as some people are trying to make it out to be (FUD sells) and a significant portion of the climate change is probably natural. The fact is, we don't know for sure, and to make grandiose proclamations about climate change is unscientific.
And now, to the relevant portion, here's this link.
http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Arctic.htm
Yes, the Arctic has been warming, but then again, it also cooled for a while, (and the last few years haven't even been the warmest on record) according to these guys. Granted, they seem to be biased in the anti-global warming direction, but at least it's an alternative voice in a din of FUD.
As everyone knows a compass does not point to the north pole. A bit lesser known is that it also does NOT point to the magnetic north pole. It simply aligns with the magnetic field lines at the point where you put it. This should be no surprise because it can easily be deflected using a magnet (which locally changes the field lines). Even when no magnet is nearby the tangent to the field lines need not necessarily point to the magnetic north (e.g. when the soil contains a lot of iron ore) although it is general more or less in that direction.
Just wanted to get this fact right.
Santa's moving to Russia??
Now what will Canada do with our H0H0H0 postal code??!!?
ten-foot pole. Thank you.
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Assuming a 12 hour day, thats over 90 MPH!!!
What does it eat?-)
Thank God we have GPS. At least we don't have to rely on stupid compasses while the north pole is having a jaunt.
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By definition EVERY direction FROM the north pole is south. If you stand ON the north pole and walk in any direction your compass will show that you are heading south the northpole at your back.
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Fuck me, why are they posting this as news? I learned about this when I was a kid.
UK Ordinance Survey maps have shown the annual magnetic north change for donkeys years.
Anyone who knows anything about map reading knows that the Magnetic vs Grid North increases a couple of degrees every year. When taking a bearing off a map, you do a grid to mag conversion where you add/subtract the number given for the magnetic variation multiplied by the number of years since the map was produced.
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After a solar flare, if the interplanetary magnetic field points south it often causes geomagnetic storms which knock out radio communication. Relatively low lattitude auroras are also caused by the phenomenon.
> 'Earth's north magnetic pole is drifting from North America
> at such a clip that it could end up in Siberia in the next 50 years.'
God damn George Bush and the oil and car companies!
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Don't make me angry
I forgot to pay the magnetic bill.
The magnetic north pole is in the Arctic Ocean, just north of Canada (roughly 80 degrees north and 110 degrees west).
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It's been moving north over a hundred years. If it continues it will get to Siberia around 2050.
Here are a few links from the Geological Survey of Canada:
http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/nmp/long_mvt_nmp_e.
http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/nmp/long_mvt_nmp2_e
I challenge someone to point out one thing that Bush has done right. c'mon just one....
> North Pole heads South where else could it head?
...if they think that Siberia is south of North America.
Now, if the North Pole was heading toward, say, Ecuador, that would be news!
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Gotta love it!
There has been enough lying, cheating and stealing that we don't have to peg natural disasters on them. It will be interesting to watch for alternative scientific viewpoints. A denial of magnetic polarity or the existance of magnetism entirely. My ability to attach my kindergartener's drawings to the refrigerator with a cylinder of processed ferrous material is proof of God's abiding presence and approval of my parenting, not some hack theory of mysterious fields we can't see!
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
For the most part, parrots (and allies) and wandering birds (petrols, shearwaters, etc) don't migrate. They have defined terrorties (yes even albatrosses have staked out hunting areas, though these are huge).
Thus, we can conclude that song birds could live a lot longer, but those that migrate don't live as long, simply because of the movement of the north pole.
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Would this also effect the weather?
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This is happening because the cast on LOST did not punch in the numbers on the computer. That caused the magnetic pole to start shifting which will eventually result in total destruction of the planet.
I am surprised to see that no one seems to be blaming the current adminstration for this. I would have thought the Kyoto freaks would have been all over it. Repeat after me, "It is all a big cycle, it is our egos that make us think we have an effect over the whole planet."
Set up your lawn chairs and enjoy the show, folks...
$#!^ happens, but why does it always have to happen to me???
i sure do
One world: 2012 :/
The poles actually move around quite a bit with no real predictability although, fluid models of the Earth's inside have been able to reproduce pole reversal. this page: http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/nmp/long_mvt_nmp2_e. php
has some nice maps of where the Pole's been for the last few hundred years.
The way they figure out where magnetic north was in 1600 is by the magnetic polarization of sea floor near spreading areas. Each new piece of the sea floor cools with a record of the magnetic field when it was created.
The magnetic poles move YOU!
Oh come on, it's at least on topic. They're moving to Siberia.
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/1 2/0436204&tid=99&tid=14
Not the exact same article of course, but this is not the first time the subject's been discussed here and it's not exactly news anyway.
And the brethren went away edified.
That of course was your asshole talking with your intestines for a mind.
I'm sorry to have to put that so bluntly but it sounds like you're having an
intestinal fear reaction.
Using your head and thus your brain however, you will undoubtedly agree:
A You don't have sufficient data from the last pole shift to backup your claims
B We are exposed to gales of solar wind, high energy particles coming from the sun
that would kill off the biosphere within a handful of years if not stopped
For all we know the magnetic field could collapse from one minute to the next and then
take a hundred to maybe five hundred years to reach adequate protective levels in the
its reverse polarity. You, me, animals and crop would be exposed to nearly every
high-energy particle flung from the sun at us that didn't get stopped by the atmosphere.
We will get sun-burns and our crops will wither, cancer and food shortage will greatly
reduce our numbers.
On the bright side however, there wont be much of government left to harrass us wherever
we are on this planet.
If it all pans out like I think... hell maybe, maybe not. Like our reassuring pseudoscientitst I don't have the data to predict. A pole shift however is coming
and a loss of 10% of field strength over 150 years + this leap towards sibiria plus the
fact that we are already running late for a pole shift... it all adds up to one thing:
Our poles will shift polarity, sooner than we may like.
You don't have sufficient data from the last pole shift to backup your claims
We are exposed to gales of solar wind, high energy particles coming from the sun
that would kill off the biosphere within a handful of years if not stopped.
I'm an astrophysicist and I say you're wrong. what are your credentials?
> North Pole Heads South
;)
and later:
> Earth's north magnetic pole is drifting from North America at such a clip that it could end up in Siberia in the next 50 years.
Do you really want to tell me that siberia is near on on the south pole? Well then go look at a world map first. (Maybe better not one from the usa, as there you could not find it...
Btw: I live on the top of the "Gory Putorana" in Sibria, where the map looks at YOU, you insensitive clod!*
* Truth quality of statement measured to be comparable to an average slashdot post.
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Uh oh! Quick, call the DNC, we need to get on CNN and start blaming the president immediately!
So this begs the question, if the field is getting weaker, and more
radiation is hitting the earth, then is that putting more "heat"
in the atmosphere .
If so, could this be part of global warming .
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Why don't we just setup a giant electro magnet where the north pole belongs and pull the pole right back into place?
Also, I was wondering if that giant nuke the Russians set off up there a couple decades ago might have effected our poles as well..
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The real story is that the climate is warming.... Who cares if the magnetic poles shift - it has happened many times. I heard on NPR that the oceanic conveyer belt had started to slow and if this is the case, then add this, and you have pretty irrefutable evidence something big is about to happen. We have pretty much fucked ourselves in the worse case senario.... Makes me think that moving to the equator a little bit early wouldn't be such a bad idea - I mean, of all longitudinal lines, it has the most real estate, so prices should be cheap right? :)
Has been since it was discovered in the early 1800s (so it's not relaly that much of a story). Right now it's in northern Canada. It's headed towards the geographic north pole. When it passes that, then it'll be heading south, into Siberia.
Come on I know you wanna speak. Blame this on corporate greed or better yet tie it in with global warming so you get more bang for your buck.
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...all you have to do to protect yourself is just turn your tin foil hat inside out.
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It's Magneto. He's busy moving Asteroid M around, the freak. Has no respect for compasses whatsoever. Somebody call the X-Men!
This polar shift is obviously caused by excessive emissions. We're putting tons of pollutants into the atmosphere, and now the poles have started moving faster. This can't be coincidence.
Coming to an enfironmentalist's pamphlet near you.
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I'm an oncologist. If I can give you one piece of related advice: Stay out of the sun :-)
The fact that you're reading this is proof that primates have survived past pole reversals.
Does this mean that people living at lower latitudes (or even on the equator) will eventually see the northern lights?
here: http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/nmp/long_mvt_nmp2_e. php
Damn! I knew I shouldn't have lent the Russians my super magnet.