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Firefox 2.0 Posted a Day Early
A number of readers alerted us to the [link removed] day-early [accidental] posting of Firefox version 2.0. At this writing the top page at mozilla.com still doesn't mention its availability. One reader pointed us to [link removed] a mirror and another recommended a comprehensive review of Firefox 2.0, with many screenshots, over at mozillalinks.org. Update by RM: - links above removed at request of Mozilla release people. They asked us to link to this note instead. They're only asking us to wait until Tuesday Afternoon (U.S. Pacific Time) for the official 2.0 download, which isn't long. (Patience is a virtue, etc.)
Linking to a 5.4Mb file directly on Slashdot. Nice!
And I just finished emerging 1.5...
No fp!1!? I guess everyone's rushing to download it first. This proves my theory: FF > random /. memes.
The Firefox team are assured never to suffer 0-day exploits by making -1-day releases. Clever, clever...
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
It's not on software update either yet. I think I'll wait until firefox wants to upgrade and then I'll do one last check that all my extensions have been updated.
the more they over-think the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the pipe
It beat itself to the internet!
Sweet move to link to the en-GB version. That's the flavour I like!
Slashdotting seems unlikely, though.
wft, mate. not everybody uses windows.
887321 = 337*2633
1) it quits crashing all the time with the mplayer plugin when playing videos
2) it finally has a sensible cookie blocking interface, à-la Mozilla, and not that atrocious settings tab that I have to scroll through to find the site I just blocked cookies from that I need to re-enable.
Otherwise the current 1.x version works well enough for me.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
The article links to the BRITISH version... Which sucks for all us American types.
So, don't just download that one and install it. It DOES matter, with the inline spell-checker.
Or else you'll end up doing your neighbour a favour by changing his tyre.
Related Links: "Compare prices on Mozilla"
Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
And where is the /crack directory? I guess they put a serial in the nfo.
Hopefully this will be ready and waiting for me in Ubuntu Edgy when I upgrade in (hopefully) a few days.
Summation 2
There is now Firefox 2 support enabled on all Wiki*edia sites. To use, navigate to http://en.wikipedia.org/ (or any other language/project), click the search engine selector button in the upper right corner, and click "add wikipedia". The added bonus is that auto-suggest is also working - as you type you search, it will provide a list of page titles that begin with the typed letters.
s .js, and edit the "_suggestionTimeout: 500" line. Something like 2000 works fine for me.
One note - the timeout is set to 500ms, which is not too long (especially when the entire slashdot visits wiki). To make it longer, open firefox_install_dir\components\nsSearchSuggestion
--Yurik / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yurik
Are there any differences between the two? I'm already running the RC3 ebuild and I'd really like to avoid upgrading if possible.
Pfffttt, no thanks. Let me know when IceWeasel is ready.
Where would we be if Wheel had hid her round rock in a cave instead of showing everyone how it rolls?
Page scrolling in FF2 in journals is really slow with the new comment system turned on.
:)
All in all, seems like a fairly good release. A bit slower here and there though, but pages appear even faster than before. Well that could very well be a UI illusion, but whatever, it seems to work.
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For crying out loud ! Can't we just leave those Mozilla folks alone for a day, so that they can prepare the release. They have to post 38 different executables, and do a very last check to see if they actually work.
The link above is to the English-GB version. For your convenience: US English installer, Win32.
Love sees no species.
It's payback for Mozilla's actually trying to assert its trademark rights!
When we tout the advantages of Open Source, the availability of extensions on time, is not something we should fail on. After all, there have been a number of betas and release candidates released before this major one. Tests could be done on those.
One problem I have seen with this new version is that its default theme is ugly! I appreciate that in consumes less memory and feels a bit more snappier than the older version.
The re-organzation that has been made in the preferences section is also highly appreciated. The same applies to spell checking - its best feature in my opinion.
I have one question though. Is Firefox a GTK application? I see it resembles a GTK application and uses its dialogs. If not, when shall we see a KDE like looking Firefox? KDE folks, do something.
Mean while, those who expect to get their hands dirty with this version will have to wait for their FTP site is already slashdotted!
Tab Mix Plus is not FF2-compatible yet; the author says a new version should come along within a week or so. This is proving mighty irritating. I used both the regular close-tab button *and* the per-tab close buttons; now I only have the per-tab ones. Gah. Add features, folks, don't REMOVE them. :(
Other than that, it's definitely faster (except for one area - switching between already-loaded tabs is MUUUUCH faster in IE7. And no, that's nowhere near enough to get me to use IE7).
And is themeability now gone, or am I just not looking in the right spot? I don't see any way to change the look of this thing.
Maybe Opera will one day have a decent interface, and enough features for me not to need Extensions (apparently now renamed 'Add-Ons', and I can use a fast & lightweight browser.
I have running this for half day now (the real one not rc3), it feels a bit smoother. The sitebar add-on does work and they change the ctrl-s key binding so sage kb short-cut foes not work. Everything else is working as expected and build0in spell-checker is doing its work. It's a great release/
I don't like the new icons at all, the old ones were a lot better. Does someone else agree with me here and have a fix available?
Just got it from their ftp server.
x /releases/2.0/
n dex.php
ftp://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefo
source
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/10/23/firefox/i
From the article, "Since its first release, back in November 1.0, the web browsers..." Apparently November 1.0 was a productive month for web browsers. I'd love to do November over again. November 2.0 here we come!
Please don't make the first link in a post a blind link to a Windows executable.
Why not use BitTorrent? This is the best legal use for it.
Download FireFox here
Tell your friends about xenu.net
But FF2.0 goes out and tries to find them and apply them automatically so it tells you right away what's no longer working. So far FasterFox and MediaWrap and Google Send2Phone don't work. I haven't worked with it enough to discover what it is that DOES work better. I hope general IEishness and compatibility are improved.
The latest version is quite nice. The integrated spell checker is worth it alone (I had been using an extension, but having it integrated is so much nicer).
I thought I might could do away with Tab Mix Plus now, however it was quickly apparent that the extension is still a must. As a developer I'm too used to switching through multiple documents by history, not by some arbitrary linear order. So with Tab Mix Plus I can easily CTRL-TAB back and forth between a couple specific tabs, even if there are a dozen other tabs open. So I'm waiting for the author(s) to update it because it is no longer compatible.
Happily, the other extensions I use all had upgrades for 2.0. That was my biggest gripe about FireFox in the past. Especially a previous upgrade that I think was security-related. The version went from like 1.5.0.2 to 1.5.0.3 and suddenly 90% of my extensions weren't compatible. That was unacceptable, especially with such a seemingly small change in version number.
Dan East
Better known as 318230.
Its tuesday here in Austalia, for all you who dont know, the main developer for Firefox lives in New Zealand!
SO it is ontime, not early.. you people of slashdot are just slow.
Does this mean we'll start hearing about "-1 Day Exploits" now?
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
I really wish it was out on Software Update already. That, in my opinion, was the best new feature in Firefox 1.5, and many more software programs should adopt it.
Does anybody know of a Session Saver equivalent that works with 2.0? That's my single favorite extension, bar none.
It's never just a game when you're winning. - George Carlin
People will pass up steak once a week, for crap every day.
...because RC2 for MacOS X had massive problems whereby ALL keystrokes (typing in text fields on a page OR the browser search/URL bar) would simply stop working. This was most irritating when filling out forms and a MAJOR bug for a "release candidate", in my book.
About the only way to get keys to work again was to select+copy some text and paste it into a field. That would give you a 1 in 3 chance of reactivating the ability to type...
Did I mention the problem pops up with almost every new release on OS X? 1.0 did it, 1.5 previews did it...
Please help metamoderate.
IE7 doesn't even work on my OS (Windows 2000). Guess it's going to have to be Firefox 2 then!
At this writing,
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
and
http://www.getfirefox.com/
and
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/
all only say Firefox 1.5. Come f-ing on, slashdot, after having jumped the gun several times on freebsd. do they really need emails from everyone that produces software saying "only announce things when they're really announced" before checking a single website or two to see if something's officially out?
I'm on a road shaped like a figure eight; I'm going nowhere but I'm guaranteed to be late.
Firefox 1.5 onslaught kills Mozilla. Firefox 2.0 side lined.
A Good Troll is better than a Bad Human.
Resuming your browsing session: The Session Restore feature restores windows, tabs, text typed in forms, and in-progress downloads from the last user session. It will be activated automatically when installing an application update or extension, and users will be asked if they want to resume their previous session after a system crash. To activate: Under "Options"- "Main" tab - from the drop down menu "When Firefox starts:" select "Show my windows and tabs from the last time". This feature is gold and alone make it worthwhile to upgrade.
It's wonderful but Magpie is not working.
Sniff.
-- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
Any way I can smooth fonts in my browser without having Windows apply it to every other app? Also, Windows doesn't always smooth enough for me.
One thing not really mentioned in the preview is that they definitely seem to have the memory under control finally. I've had up to 30 tabs open (only a dozen now) and have been using it all day and it's only using 75MB of memory. FF1.5 would be hovering around 250MB after the same use.
It also feels much snappier in general, if only because it's not sprawling all over the paging file (I don't know what other speed tweaks it has).
All my extensions except undoclosetab updated automatically (and that's built in now) so that was probably the smoothest upgrade I've ever had. Though I use the LittleFox theme and I was on version 1.5, which looked very strange in FF2.0. But after a manual 'look for updates' for themese it found LittleFox 1.7 which looks great.
So far I'm very pleased with it.
This is actually something that Opera has featured for quite a long time. I have always loved Opera's ability to save sessions, not just continuing from last time. You can save multiple sessions and use them whenever you like.
Please see http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=202228&cid=165 53166
The short version is that memory seems much more under control.
Meh. As a web developer, I'm more anxious for the release of Firefox 3.0. Firefox 2 uses the same rendering engine as 1.5, they just wanted to compete with IE 7. Bah! I want a new Gecko!
And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be bannana-shaped.
Is anybody else running into the problem of Google Personalized Homepage breaking in FF2? I'm running the en-GB version that was linked in the article. As far as I can tell the tabs on Google's Personalized Homepage don't work. I'm about to install FF2 on my Mac, I'll see if the error is there too.
-Grant
|grant.henninger.name|
Am I ever so glad that I grabbed my copy 30 minutes before somebody told Slashdot about it.
Mir tut es leid, Menschen daß Einfältigfehlersuchenbaumfolgendenaffen sind.
Woo woo fake trolls!
Official Mozilla BitTorrent site:
F inal_EN_USF inal_EN_GB
http://bittorrent.mozilla.org/
(2.0 is not there yet, but use that link when it gets updated)
Unofficial torrents (Website ads are NSFW):
http://torrentspy.com/torrent/891929/Firefox_2_0_
http://torrentspy.com/torrent/891930/Firefox_2_0_
(The first link is US version, second is GB version)
(posted AC to avoid karma-whoring)
There is no such thing as a mebibyte. A megabyte is always 1048576 bytes. You also never use megabits when referring to file sizes, only when referring to the speed of a network connection. A megabit is 1000000 bits but it's rarely seen not per second.
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
I'm on Firefox 2.0 RC3 for Windows (which is the same thing as 2.0 final), and Ctrl+F searches into the textarea that I'm typing this comment into.
Some people have voiced their concern that this release is not worth the 2.0 moniker. I however don't understand the point. If numbers are to be believed, this version is as incremental as 1.5 was for 1.0
This is an exceptionally bad argument. In version-land, 1.0-->1.5 != 1.5-->2.0. This is where things like "version 1.13" come from. It's simply not a decimal representation. So, unless there's some compelling change, whether it be to functionality and UI or to the underlying code base, there's no justification for bumping the major version number. (Chessmaster 9000 is, of course, a special case.) This is in no way to denigrate the efforts of the development team.
Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
0. Make a working directory. I called mine "fff." Make two directories in it: 1 and 2. Now you'll have ~/fff/1 and ~/fff/2. /chrome/classic.jar file from the OLD firefox version to your ~/fff/1 directory. For example, on Slackware it's /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.7/chrome/classic.jar /chrome/classic.jar file from the NEW firefox install to ~/fff/2. /usr/lib/firefox2/chrome/.
1. Copy the
2. Unzip the classic.jar file. Copy ~/fff/1/skin/classic/global/browser.css to your ~/fff directory.
3. Now copy the
4. Unzip the classic.jar file. Copy ~/fff/browser.css into ~/fff/2/skin/classic/global/browser.css. Just overwrite the file, because it sucks.
5. From ~/fff/2, you can just do zip -f classic.jar. -f is freshen; zip will report that it updated the one file.
6. Copy ~/fff/2/classic.jar back to where you found it in the NEW firefox install. I had mine in
7. Restart firefox, and let GTK render your widgets without any ugly gradients!
REM Old programmers don't die. They just GOSUB without RETURN.
and even the memes look different!
Does anyone know if Firefox 2 supports freetype 2 properly through its api? FF 1.5 has been a bitch to get to display Vista Cleartype fonts correctly.
See http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/preed/2006/10/the_a ntirelease.html for the Mozilla build team's take on articles like this one.
Firefox 2 has not yet been officially released. Please be patient. We still plan on launching Tuesday, October 24th in the afternoon pacific time. Linking to anything other than getfirefox.com or mozilla.com hurts us, our volunteer mirror network, and our ability to effectively serve up and guarantee availability of Firefox. Thank you! -- cbeard@mozilla.org
dec219811d989aeed2b8c7e338cc0b03 firefox-2.0.tar.gz
:-)
dec219811d989aeed2b8c7e338cc0b03 firefox-2.0rc3.tar.gz
don't think there's been that many changes
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
1. It clobbered by bookmarks.
2. Tabs don't work. I can open new tabs but not load anything in them or close them.
And that's just in 60 seconds of looking it over.
It's marginally conceivable that some extension I have is to blame but I am not using anything particularly exotic so even if that is the case many others would be in danger as well.
A MEGA-anything is a million. It has nothing to do with RAM manufacture, a filesize has no reason to be measured in power-of-two quantities.
Is this a bug or feature?
There is no long an option to block 3rd party cookies. Setting the network.cookie.cookieBehavior option in about:config to 1 is supposed to set the option, but it doesn't work. I loaded up the slashdot main page, and doubleclick.net set a cookie.
Except it deleted all my bookmarks from Firefox 1.5. Thanks.
It might be possible to do this by putting the relevant CSS rules in your userChrome.css file.
Yes. Mozilla finals are always identical to the most recent RC. So in a way, FF2 was released last week. And the nightly people had access to it two weeks ago when RC3 was first spun on the 10th. :P
This is a shameless attempt on the part of Mozilla to stave off the crushing mindshare defeat that Microsoft is about to hand out with Internet Explorer 7. With improved support for stuff and things, IE7 promposes to make Firefox 2 obsolete by nightfall on it's release date.
IE7 will ship with the patented Cure For Cancer toolbar and embedded network optimization that makes tastefully photographed adult literature download 50% percent faster than with the dinosaur browser.
And that's not all. MS didn't forget about you developers. IE7's javascript debugger provides error messages that are 83% more ambiguous than with Firefox.
It's a well known fact that FireFox's only real market growth is in the UK where people hate fire, but like foxes. Therefore, Firefox can only achieve 50% marketshare in the UK maximum. Elsewhere in the world where fire and foxes are both despised, the Firefox market is limited to people who like dinosaurs which is just 10 year old boys named Kyle.
Just kidding.
Firefox Rules.
You can make a difference. Donate to The LEEBY (Larry Ellison's Even Bigger Yacht) Fund.
First of all... YAY!! that FF2 is already available. I am using it to write this comment. Second of all... I didn't notice the download link was to the English-Great Britain version. I didn't notice until I saw that the Bookmarks menu said "Organise" instead of "Organize". Then I had to go through the hassle of manually "updating" to the EN-United States version. Is Slashdot English?
I don't understand why this warranted a /. article, doesn't Mozilla usually have the "mirror" releases available a few days before t hey announce it?
Wasn't 1.0 available about three days prior to official release, you just had to get it in the same manner as this?
I don't know about the en-GB or win32 versions but the en-US Linux version on this mirror is actually just the latest release candidate. I downloaded and installed but the build date of this version is 20061010, identical to the release candidate i was using before.
Ok, a favorite feature of mine has changed, someone help me figure out how to change it back. Traditionally in Firefox I could type a search phrase into the location bar and firefox would take me to the top google result (the I'm Feeling Lucky result). This was great for a lot of things. Now, sadly, when I type a search phrase into the 2.0 location bar, I get the google search page. No no no. That's no good. I've already got the google search bar for that, I want the I'm feeling Lucky result.
How can I get it back?
Please, help me.
--
RumorsDaily
Already downloaded Firefox 2.0 (from slashdot's link, thank you) and am posting this comment using the browser that is to be released tomorrow. btw, it is soooooo much better than ie7.
Used it for two minutes, and already I hit a bug. On OSX, if you right click the toolbars and hit "Customize", the pop-up dialog won't go away, my changes aren't saved, and most of the menu's are unusable. I can quit though, without having to use the "Force Quit" method.
.."toolbars" is NOT spelled incorrectly! 4 minutes, two bugs. Maybe they could have used the extra day for development, no?
Aaaand there's another bug as I'm writing this
See this demonstration (do NOT go here unless you are willing to crash your Web browser). It still crashes Firefox v2.0. This is related to this old security isssue. :(
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
a filesize has no reason to be measured in power-of-two quantities.
A filesize has lots of reasons to be measured in power-of-two quantities. If you don't think so, let us know which drives use powers-of-ten sector sizes and which filesystems read/write powers-of-ten block sizes.
(The SI guys can take a hike. The computer industry has been using kilo, mega, etc for powers-of-two since they got away from decimal computers almost 50 years ago now. It was the disk drive marketing guys who started pre-empting that so that they could advertise their eg 95.37 MB drives as 100 MB.)
-- Alastair
No, there are just about a million of them. Or 1,048,576 (or 1.048.576) to avoid another flamewar.
Free beer is never free as in speech. Free speech is always free as in beer.
Like you, I used to think disk manufacturers were behind this for the purpose of deception, but it turns out they've been correct all along (with a few exceptions, but we won't go into that here.)
When we enquire of a filesize, it's often to calculate how long it will take to travel a certain data link. Base 2 math is entirely irrelevant there, and it makes pure sense to treat Mega as meaning "one million, +/- zero".
Please don't fight it. It's important we make the distinction consistently so we can get out of this mess for once and for all. Regards, Ben.
Install this.
The default theme for FF 2.0 makes me want to scrape my eyes out. The default theme for 1.0/1.5 was bad, but it's gone from bad to actively offensive, in my opinion.
My eyes returned to happy land as soon as I got Qute for FF 2.0 installed.
http://www.cfa.ilstu.edu/ This page doesn't seem to like FF2. Anyone else find other pages with probs?
There is a technical reason to use 'megabytes' as a power of two. There is no technical reason to use 'insect' to refer to a spider.
There is no technical reason to use 'megabytes' as a power of ten. There is a technical reason not to use 'insect' to refer to a spider.
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
If you don't think so, let us know which drives use powers-of-ten sector sizes
I don't know what, if any, drives use power of ten sector sizes, but I guarantee you that no modern drive uses powers of 2 for its sector size. They often use it for sector payload size, but the actual sector consists of many more bits than just the payload.
For example, a DVD sector has a payload of 2048 but a total length of 2064 which includes 4 byte ID, a 2 byte IES, 6 bytes of CPR MAI and a 4 byte EDC. But, if you take it even further, the data gets reed-solomon ECC data included for each frame of 16 sectors (a frame being the smallest possible piece of data to write to a DVD) plus it all gets encoded in EFM with the end result that each sector is 38688 bits long, but interleaved with the other 16 sectors in that frame. See here: http://pioneer.jp/crdl/tech/dvd/2-3-e.html
Hard disks have similar funky layouts, although I don't think interleaving is usually part of it and the specs aren't so easy to hunt down because they are often unique to each model from each manufacturer.
You might argue that sector payload is what "counts" - to that I say you are making up an arbitrary distinction. If that were an acceptable argument, then one could say the same thing about networks - that it is the packet payload that counts and not the raw packet itself. After all, with the earlier MFM and RLL drives, the entire sector contents were exposed to the disk controller card on the system just like the entire packet contents are exposed to the network interface cards on current systems (presuming you don't have a tcp offload engine or the like, that is).
which filesystems read/write powers-of-ten block sizes.
Here you are correct. But the reason has nothing to do with the nature of disks, but rather with the binary nature of RAM and the data types used to keep track of the data on disk.
Maybe he doesn't have a Slashdot account? It's possible.
Maybe he was in a hurry and didn't want to spend time logging in before getting the message out?
He did sign the comment with his email address, so it's "Anonymous" in terms of Slashdot accounts only.
about:config, set browser.urlbar.hideGoButton to true
While we're at it, set browser.tabs.closeButton to 3 to revert the tab close buttons to 1.5's behavior.
Not sure about the search button, but for that you can download an extension that behaves in a way you prefer.
It's people like you who cause entire space missions to fail. "Mega" has meant a power of TEN for much longer than "the computer industry." Besides, computers are used outside the computer industry these days.
Get with the times an learn the difference between Mi M Ki K Gi G B b etc..
Any decent engineer would loathe ambiguity. You think "mega" should mean different things depending on context? What are you, a Perl programmer?!? DEMONS BE GONE!!
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
I've been using the beta for a while, and really like it. But one thing I don't like is that there is now a close tab [x] on every tab, rather than just one on the far right? Is it possible (without downloading source and recompiling, thanks...) to make it so that there's just one close tab button that is anchored to the far right (like 1.5)?
I like the recent tabs function, but I probably wouldn't need it but for the multitudes of "close tab" buttons that are suddenly between my the webpage I'm looking at and the address bar.
maybe
Use Delicious
Where I live, we'd actually write it 1 048 576, you insensitive clod!
Instant Karma's gonna get you, Gonna knock you right on the head (John Lennon, 1970)
Sorry, the SI guys were in before.
A MEGA-anything is a million. It has nothing to do with RAM manufacture, a filesize has no reason to be measured in power-of-two quantities.
It's because, as everyone knows, data is slightly compressible. If you define the height of a single bit as 1 arbitary unit, when you stack 1024 of them on top of each other, the weight of all those bits squashes them down so that the stack is only 1000 units high. As soon as you pull one out of the stack to look at it, it springs back to its original size.
More seriously, this "maybe-bytes" rubbish annoys the crap out of me. A megabyte has been 2^20 bytes for all of the 25-odd years I've been in this field, and has been understood to be so by the vast majority of skilled professionals. It's completely normal for specialised fields to slightly redefine some terms for greater utility, and, in computing, powers of two have far more utility than powers of ten.
Besides, SI deals with physical quantities. Bits are abstractions with no physical reality, so they don't fall within the scope of SI.
What would Lemmy do?
Any decent engineer would loathe ambiguity. You think "mega" should mean different things depending on context? What are you, a Perl programmer?!? DEMONS BE GONE!!
Well, it was different but atleast consistent until the marketing department of the harddisk manufacturers got involved and screwed it all up for the rest of us. And for the most part, they are the only ones still at it. My "512MB" stick of memory contains 536,870,912 bytes of memory, not 512,000,000.
The /. editors will never live up to their job titles. They usually don't read the links themselves.
Hail Eris, full of mischief...
E pluribus sanguinem
A filesize has lots of reasons to be measured in power-of-two quantities. If you don't think so, let us know which drives use powers-of-ten sector sizes and which filesystems read/write powers-of-ten block sizes.
That's not a good reason to use power-of-two quantities. We're past the time were user interface has to adapt to the computer so not to strain its CPU, versus the interface to adapt to the human, so not to strain him.
As I'm typing this to represent my thoughts, I am using Unicode sequence upon rendered vector fonts upon subpixel type rendering upon kerning, spacing and hinting, upon GUI layers mixing GDI, DirectX, upon application logic upon OS drivers, core, swapping and all chaos that keeps my machine running and looking relatively accessible to a human being, despite its cold computer internals.
I'm fairly sure my processor won't max out if, say, Windows starts displaying kilo/mega/giga etc. based on a widely accepted and universally understood decimal base.
The (US) 5.6 MG Firefox 2.0 Download can be downloaded via BT here:2 0Setup%202.0.exe.torrent
2 02.0.dmg.torrent
http://www.torrentbox.com/download/71866/Firefox%
The (US) 17.56 MB Firefox 2.0 Download for Mac can be downloaded via BT here:
http://www.torrentbox.com/download/71871/Firefox%
I'll leave my Macbook on all night, so enjoy!
This sig donated to Pater. Long live
You might argue that sector payload is what "counts" - to that I say you are making up an arbitrary distinction. If that were an acceptable argument, then one could say the same thing about networks - that it is the packet payload that counts and not the raw packet itself. After all, with the earlier MFM and RLL drives, the entire sector contents were exposed to the disk controller card on the system just like the entire packet contents are exposed to the network interface cards on current systems (presuming you don't have a tcp offload engine or the like, that is).
Well, at least on hard disks, any data outside of the payload isn't accessible or standardized in any way. The drive takes read and write requests in units of 512 byte sectors. That's the only unit of any meaning.
I don't know much about DVDs, but I do know CDs have odd sized sectors as well. At least with CDs, it was possible to read the raw sectors off. You would at least have a case there for non power of two measurements. That said, the sector size is a consequence of the intended payload size, so it's not like the power of 2 number is an accident.
which filesystems read/write powers-of-ten block sizes.
Here you are correct. But the reason has nothing to do with the nature of disks, but rather with the binary nature of RAM and the data types used to keep track of the data on disk.
Nope, that's entirely due to the fact that the minimum addressable unit of a disk drive is a power of two. It wouldn't make sense to allocate data in, say, 500 byte chunks if you can only read and write it in 512 byte chunks.
There is a new Tab Mix Plus version up for testing, and it does work on FF 2.0. So far, I haven't had any problems with it.
Actually it's 45.6 Mb
Nope, it's in fact 1.36 Gb, after you decompress it, open it in a hex editor and save it as a text file with "1"-s and "0"-s.
I just burned the inside of my nose with hot coffee, I'd mod you up but it's not my turn. That and PERL was a great language.
Ignoring for a second that "different" means "inconsistent", you're still wrong - it was never consistent even within the computer industry. Pop quiz:
Use the new definitions. "1 GiB" is much clearer, and eventually people will know that "1 GB" means something else in new software. This sort of switchover is not unprecedented - IIRC astronomy switched to use the same notation for the polarization of light as engineering. Papers around the time would carefully note which definition they used. Ones well before or well after are obvious. More complicated for the computer industry, but not impossible.
[*] - Massive extra credit for correctly considering the protocol overhead for...we'll say FTP over PPPoA VC/Mux over ADSL...but that's not the point of the question.
I read the blog post ...
"I promise it's worth the wait."
Kinda like a conservative girlfriend saying that we have to wait for marriage before the sex.
Wow, you found a collision in md5! Great work! There will be a *big* raise for you. Yes siree, jonasj will be going places now. Just picture it your name all lit up in neon lights with a mess of people fightin to get a look at the man that cracked md5!
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
That's why it's easier to call them arthropods, duh. I suppose you're one of those people that call Daddy Long Legs, spiders(or insects) when they're really in the Order Opiliones.
Now, what the hell was the OP about again?
Meh, most Engineers don't care. If I can say gravity is 10m/s/s, PI is 3, base current on transistors is 0, I can certainly be fine with 1000 ~ 1024
-Joey
Okay, I'm patiently waiting to find out if they've yet managed to actually enable clicking with the middle mouse button to open a link in a new tab on the Mac.
Well you can say it all you want but that doesn't mean engineers are ok with it. I can't say much about transistors as I'm a mechanical engineer but I never had a professor in 6 years of schooling that would have been ok with me using 10 m/s^2 for g and 3 for pi for calculations. Perhaps rudimentary back of the envelope deals but that's it. It's simply bad form, especially in these days of pocket calculators.
Thanks goodness! While this release is only one day early by Mozilla's standards, it's a full three days before it's due to be on Slashdot!
- RG>
Hey pal, this isn't a pleasantforest, so don't waste my time with pleasantries!
after i crash the error report gave me the following link.... kinda funny.
Upgrade for Firefox recommended
Thank you for submitting an error report.
Problem description
An error occurred in your Firefox. Firefox was created by Mozilla Firefox.
Recommendation
A solution is not available for the specific problem you reported; however, Mozilla Firefox has informed Microsoft that a new version of Firefox is available. The new version may not fix the error you reported, but Mozilla Firefox recommends that you install it. To learn more about the update, click the link below.
Mozilla Firefox
Additional information
If you are not familiar with Firefox and you are questioning how the program got on your computer, it is possible that the program was installed with another program. If you are wondering why Firefox is running, many programs configure themselves to start automatically every time you turn on your computer.
Microsoft did not create, nor does it provide technical support for Firefox.
If you have trouble installing the upgrade or the problem you reported persists, please contact Mozilla Firefox and alert them of the problem.
always mosh clockwise
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.htm l?product=firefox-2.0&os=win&lang=en-US get it here!
They're using their grammar skills there.
Ha, ha! Fixed it myself.
k y&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=
For anyone curious:
Go to about:config (type it into the location bar)
Select: Keyword.URL
Change the value to this: http://www.google.com/search?btnI=I'm+Feeling+Luc
All is well.
--
RumorsDaily
How do you pronounce GiB?
"there's no justification for bumping the major version number."
.5 every six months regardless of actual code changes, at least, until it has reached 7.5 (or one number greater than IE). Your average user's mind could see version 2.0 and version 7.0 and say to themselves, "Why should I trust those Firefox guys, it's only their second version, what do they know about the web?"
IE7. Marketing trumps numbering conventions every time. And FF3.0 will come out before IE8. If I were the guy handling FF numbers, I'd increase by
Just look at car comapnies. They rarely make a major break through within a model, so they go by the year giving the consumer the idea that every single year, the model improves. In fact, a big improvement will result in a new model, not "usually" within an existing model (unless the improvement goes company-wide, or the model is extremely popular and branding is at stake). Some models haven't fundamentally changed in over a decade.
I8-D
I am using Mozilla Debian Package 1.7.12-1.2. No problem!
Organization: alphabetical, sometimes numerical or messy
Because in the Internet world, market share == money. One metric for market share (and informed, interested users) is downloads within the first few days of a release. They measure a band's popularity in the same way: a record company will decide how much financial backing and marketting a band gets by how many CD's they sell within week one of an album's release.
You got modded funny but I honestly can't tell. I'll answer as if you're being serious. :-)
Words mean different things depending on context. Period. Nothing you can do about it.
If you want no ambiguity, you also have to provide a linguistic standard that people will like enough to actually use.
How about "1024 bytes", if that's what you mean. I think I could calculate the exact number of bytes in 2**20 bytes faster than I could remember how to pronounce the SI abbreviation.
It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
Gibibyte...
Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
The magnetic platter surface certainly doesn't care about the sector size, but controller chips that make it work certainly prefer working in powers of 2 instead of 10.
It's *much* easier for the software running on the CPU to handle arbitrary bases than it is for the disk controller to do it.
For all those Australians out there: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3099/
> I suppose you're one of those people that call Daddy Long Legs, spiders
;)
Yes, because they are:
because they are
Unless they're not.
Kind of make you wish they had different names, doesn't it?
Which is exactly the point of MiB vs MB - though I honestly have no idea if you're pro MiB or not, I lost track
Advanced users are users too!
Thank you kind sir, I'm glad you noticed.
I also wanted to note that people don't know enough about me and my life outside the Mozilla foundation.
My name is Farouk Bakoh, a Solicitor/Notary public, and very active in the legal practice in Nigeria. I am also an in-law to the late President, General Sanni Abacha. Now General Abacha is dead, and Mohammed the first son is facing a lot of persecution due to his involvement in anti pro democracy activities during the rule of his late father. Also there are alleged fraud activities that Mohamed has been linked to with the father and, the government of today is after the family to recover everything. They have claimed all the family's wealth and I am making this contact on behalf of my sister, Mrs. Miriam Abacha, the wife, not minding the consequences, but hoping that you would understand our predicament hence the need for your urgent assistance and co-operation.
My aim of contacting you is to crave your indulgence to assist us in securing some funds, abroad for safe keeping which incidentally is part of the family wealth. Fortunately with my immediate assistance, and contact, we were able to deposit the money in a security vault abroad pending when the whole situation will be calm. However, this security company does not have any knowledge of the content of the deposit, because it was done in the guise that the trunk contains precious stones. But owing the great risk we run presently due the new Democratic government's initiative to freeze and recover all monies supposedly misappropriated by the late President, we wish to relocate this fund in a foreigner's name to avoid any trace. Now that we are in a democratic government, this is our opportunity to remove the money, and we are willing to offer you 15% of the funds after the transaction for your co-operation. All I need from you is an assurance that you can handle the amount involved comfortably and that I can also trust you with this very arrangement.
Be rest assured that there is no risk involved since I have taken care of everything. I want you to immediately inform me of your willingness in assisting and co-operating with us, so that I can send you full details of this transaction and let us make arrangement for a meeting and discuss at length on how to transfer this funds. Also furnish me with your private e-mail address, Tel/Fax Numbers (Private) for a personal contact with you. Finally, I am trusting on your full understanding on this, hoping that there will be absolute confidentiality.
Awaiting with interest your response and hoping to develop good business relationship with you.
Yours sincerely,
Farouk Bakoh
--cbeard@mozilla.org
... then I lost my virtue a long time ago. ;)
What are you, a Perl programmer?!? DEMONS BE GONE!!
:-P
Hey now! Perl is better about working consistently regardless of context than a lot of other languages. It's just... well... sort of confusing to figure out how it consistently works, sometimes.
$x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
$x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
Yeah, with Perl there's more than one way to fly your multi-billion dollar space vehicle into the moon!
Of course, if you're British, that's 1,000 times more expensive a mistake than if you're American...
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
There's no such things as memes. Tell all your friends.
Cress, cress, lovely lovely cress
I was skimming this thread and noticing what new features are being mentioned, and I couldn't help noticing that they are all features that Konqueror already has:
- Spellchecker
- Wikipedia searching
- Autocompletion/suggestion for searches
- It's snappier than FF 1.5
- It uses way less memory than FF 1.5
The same can be said for various plugins that have been developed for FF (I'm talking about 1.x here): viewing non-HTML files inline, editing documents or images inside the browser window, speech synthesis; probably others.
I'm not trying to bash Firefox, I just thought it was something worth pointing out that Konqueror has some (apparently) desireable features. Obviously, Firefox has features that Konqueror doesn't have (yet), too.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
For some reason I internally pronounce it as "Gimpibyte", but I may have some issues I need to work out.
There is nothing inherently power-of-ten about those systems.
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
His instructions were just confusing. You could do all that in 3-4 quick steps, all done drag and drop too.
Memes are NOT the quiz things that are popular on teen blogs, just so you know.
And it also invites those pesky Sycorax.
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
Neither. 2 048 000.
I might be stupid, but E-mail seems to have been "disappeared" from my Firefox toolbar. WTF?
Goddamned kids! Get off my lawn!
Easily dealt with, though. We've got a bunch of incompetents in a bunker in Cardiff, who keep gas-based aliens in cells with holes in the door, casually throw sharp tools at each other, misuse alien artefacts for seductive purposes, and order pizza from a local store in the name of their ultra-secret organisation. THEY'LL sort out those nasty Sycorax!
Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
erm... I'm pretty sure they were using kilo and mega a bit before the invention of the computer....
First meme!
You are more than the sum of what you consume. Desire is not an occupation.
We all know that x.0 versions are beta.
I'll wait for 2.0.1, when it'll stop crashing (I tried 2.0, and it does crash often), the extensions will work, etc.
factor 966971: 966971
parent post appears to be a joke, british english firefox most certainly still uses the name cookie.
.exe for one [correct for one country, but mostly-wrong for everyone else] locale", in an international sense british english is just as valid as american.
personally i think the mozillazine block entry is very US centric in saying "directly links to an
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
I am waiting for the next artical from sombody saying about security issues because firefox 2.0 was released early because it was leaked.
I find it interesting that the /. editors decided to remove the links because the Mozilla folks asked them to. From the note, it seems that the reasons all boil down to "here's a bunch of reasons we are making up as to why you should post links to the publicly available sites to which we posted the stuff".
/. be so ready to remove the links because Steve Ballmer politely asked?
/. more of a fanboi site and news aggregator than an actual news site.
How are the mirrors going to have any less traffic today? I wonder that if Microsoft or some other comapny "released" something a day early, would
Then again, that's what makes
What has the that got to do with the price of fish?
For at least the last, ooh, 18 years or so, the paradigm implemented by most filesystems is to provide things called "files" which look like an array of bytes whose length can be any integer number of those bytes. Powers of two don't enter into it.
In My Experience, 'bit' is not abbreviated, and lower case 'b' is never used. So in this case it would be:
5.7 MB
5.4 MiB
45.6 Mbit
43.5 Mibit
Hmmm. I tried to use between the value and the unit, but Slashdot appears to elide that entity. Hmmm. Bad Slashdot. Must try harder.
Had to kill it three times, when writing non-English languages. no problems with English.
Can't tell if you're trolling or you're just really badly informed. Ah well, here goes:
Wrong. I could quote you a normative reference, but I can't be bothered. In contrast, you cannot quote a normative reference which proves that there is no such thing. Bad luck, try again.
Wrong. According to written definition a megabyte is 10^6 bytes. Historical computing usage has it as 2^20 bytes, but it is not wise to insist that that is the only interpretation. Indeed, if you really want to express 2^20 bytes, you are better off using the term mebibyte (MiB) because that is, unambiguously, 2^20 bytes, and can never be anything else.
"Never"? That's a bit strong. What if I were storing, say 128-bit MD5 digests? It might make sense to talk about my filesize in term of bits, at least for an intermediate value.
"only"? Again, a bit strong. If you're going to argue, you need to make sure everything you say is 100% factually correct.
OK, you have something there. Megabits are more commonly used per time interval than on their own.
So what do we have? One out of five? Doesn't really convince me that you have any idea what you are talking about.
No. Numbers do not mean different things depending on context. That is a terrible idea and and anyone who thinks that is a good thing should be shot.
kilo = 1000. universally.
how stupid would it be to say ten = 10, except when we are talking about industry X, then ten = 12? terribly stupid. kilo = 1000, kibi = 1024. if you hate the word kibi, then just write 1024. end of story. no context mystery. no ambiguity.
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
You've missed the point. I am not saying numbers should mean different things based on context. I'm saying this is the real world, and that's how it works in the real world. If you don't like it, come up with a better solution.
BTW:
10 (base 10) = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1
10 (base 16) = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1
Knowing the context is pretty important, I'd say.
It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
Your link is broken.
nothing
We aren't writing in hex. We are writing in decimal. "Ten" is a decimal word. "Kilo" is also a decimal word. You are correct in saying that "decimal" is a context. But, more practically, I was addressing the idea that 10=12 depending on the industry. That's whack, and some people seem to like that manner of whackedness.
The natural number 10 is 10 regardless of context.
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
No. No one would post links to M$ stuff early. Steve Ballmer would throw chairs through their computer screens if they did.
To split hairs, bits are not solely abstract. They are primarily so, to be sure, but they are physically measurable in all their forms. Disk? Patterns of magnetism. RAM? Transistor state. Network? Current state. Fiber? Photon patterns. Paper? ASCII text or images.
As such, I think SI ought to apply.
You are not the customer.
It's not the quantity that's being governed by SI, it's the prefixes.
The prefixes are defined for use with the units that SI measures. "Mega-" as a prefix for anything other than length, mass, time, current, temperature, amount of substance or luminous intensity is not defined by SI. People (in particular, HD company marketing drones) ignorantly assuming that it is defined for other things is what got us into this mess.
What would Lemmy do?
To split hairs, bits are not solely abstract. They are primarily so, to be sure, but they are physically measurable in all their forms.
True, but there's no direct mapping between the two. You can't say, for example, that: "0V = logic 0, 1V = logic 1, therefore 1000(1024?)V = 1 kilobit". There's always a context-dependent interpretation/quantisation layer between them.
What would Lemmy do?
It's *much* easier for the software running on the CPU to handle arbitrary bases than it is for the disk controller to do it.
Bingo. You have just said exactly what I said:
rather with the binary nature of RAM and the data types used to keep track of the data on disk.
Er, I guess not. That's what I get for reading too quickly and assuming a modicum of sense.
It's *much* easier for the software running on the CPU to handle arbitrary bases than it is for the disk controller to do it.
Since the raw disk is ALREADY not base-2, as I clearly demonstrated in explaining how DVDs are layed out, and by inference regular disks too, clearly the disk controller is ALREADY working with data layouts that are not base-2.
and just how much is a billion?
10^9 or 10^12
Numbers are the same in every language (as long as they are the same base). Words mean different things.
beat a gong and pray for Dee
IF you can't be famous be infamous. But for GODS sake be something
Ignoring for a second that "different" means "inconsistent", you're still wrong - it was never consistent even within the computer industry.
Of course, all your examples are fairly recent.
It's 1985:
How many bytes on a 20MB harddrive?
How much bytes can you fit on a 360KB diskette?
How long would it take it transfer the contents of said diskette over a 2400baud modem?
How many bytes of memory in a Commodore 64?
All of those questions have straitforward answers, because back then, kilo = 2^10, mega = 2^20, etc. when it came to storage (clockspeed has always used the standard definitions AFAIK. 1Khz = 1000Hz, etc.) Different, but consistent. Of course, you can argue that they should have never started doing things that way, but that's the way they did it.
But filesizes do have an inherent base. 2.
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
Oh yeah? Dozen. Means thirteen to a baker.
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
I used examples relevant today. If you want older ones, they're essentially unchanged:
Probably less long than you'd think, if any such modem ever existed. 2400 bps modems were 600 baud.
It's khz, small k. Now I understand why you don't see the problem. It causes headaches for people familiar with the SI prefixes outside of computing.
That phrase is nonsense. If they were consistent, they'd be the same, by definition. You previously said that the computer industry was consistent. I showed that only one of three situations within the computer industry used the definition you gave, and you agreed. It's not consistent, and there are many situations where conversions between these three situations causes confusion.
haha. ok. you win.
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.