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WWDC '08 Sees Slimmer, Improved, 3G iPhone
Many of us have been watching Apple's WWDC 2008 keynote unfold live. There are many exciting tidbits, but most of all is the announcement of the 3G iPhone. Featuring an even thinner profile, black plastic back, metal buttons, flush headphone jack, improved audio, GPS support, and improved battery life, this is bound to make quite a few people stand up and take notice. Update 18:54 GMT by SM: Best of all it looks like they really took the price point to heart, 8GB iPhones are now $199 and a 16GB model will be available for $299, coming to an Apple store riot near you on July 11,2008.
But can I get it on the Verizon network? Where I live, Verizon is the best provider so I'm unwilling to switch to ATT just for the iPhone.
I know people are excited about it and all, but I would think that we'd wait at least until Steve is done talking about the 3G iPhone on the stage before posting this on Slashdot... Digg is for posting announcements before they're even done announcing them. I'm pretty sure there's still some features that haven't been covered yet...
3G 8 GB iPhone at $199!!!
Galileo: "The Earth revolves around the Sun!"
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$299 for 16GB, now THAT's affordable!
Support for Word, Excel & PowerPoint? With Exchange Push, who the fuck wants a Blackberry? And, if you have an iPhone 1.0, how stupid do feel now? My guess is millions available on EBay this week.
Didn't even blink at the first entry, because of lack of 3G. Now, color my ears "perked."
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
Metal Buttons? I thought the iPhone didn't have any buttons.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Piss off just about every person who has purchased an iPhone.
$199/8GB, $299/16GB. Available 7/11 in 22 countries.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
Does it select text yet?
Let's face it, most of us are scoffers. But moments before zero hour, it does not pay to take chances.
First comment!
What is the data rate $20 /m $40 /m also 3g cap? 5gb may be too small for this phone.
Beat my expected $250 price. Nice going Apple.
Quick, somebody find a reason why it's not good enough yet, or I might have to absolutely freaking love it! This looks like a smash hit to me.
If senility was a race, I would win.
fp! hooray!
but part of me is standing up! I hope no one takes notice...
A music phone that can't play music wirelessly, a year after the competition delivered it? It is impossible to express the sheer quantity of FAIL.
and almost NOTHING about the mac....despite WWDC being billed as something for both Mac AND iPhone devs....who cares about mobile me? I guess it shows where Apple's priorities are, since given all the shit that has been wrong with Leopard, they certainly aren't on the Mac.
Monstar L
While at $199 you get great many features like GPS, 3G, full browsing along with fully functional phone, its the darn at&t lock-in for 2 years with $20 premium every month (on top of a typical smart-phone tariff) that I need to shell-out gets me thinking. Still a great bargain compared to my windows mobile phone with blue-tooth GPS dongle and third-party crappy applications.
The rock bottom price for a GPS device nowadays is $150. You can switch to the iPhone for merely $199. Can't beat it. Oh and for our european friends: It's merely â126, Four our british friends: it's merely £100
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True, but Apple customers are quite used to taking their yearly beating, and begging for more. No 3G kept me from the first iPhone, but I'll get one now, just so I can laugh at those who blew $500 on the first version, WITHOUT 3G. I intend much abuse.
Like with using Bluephone Elite to quickly type up a text message using a real keyboard and leaving my phone in my pocket...
Seriously, this is the only technological hinderance keeping me from getting an iPhone now that it covers everything that Sony Ericsson has to offer -_-'
Either way, it's damn tempting to get one now...
Omitting certain countries is in my opinion not the best way to make your coverage look better:
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/06/wwdc-keynote_185.jpg
Isn't there something missing in the North Atlantic?
Does Apple allow existing users to upgrade, possibly restarting their 2yr contract, or are they forced to hold to the terms of their previous contract with the old hardware?
- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
Depressing, still no video and no camera upgrade. Half what I was hoping for but the other half was a disappointment. How about charge another $100 and give me a better camera model and what's with the no video support???? Kind of a let down after waiting a year.
The main reason I would want an iPhone is to eliminate the need to carry around my phone and my iPod. Since I have just over 25GB of music on it at the moment, it looks like I'll have to wait a little longer. I'm not sure why they came out with a 32GB iPod touch and not a 32GB iPhone, but it's pretty disappointing to me.
Yes, you can dance to Radiohead.
No FM radio. Less space than a nomad. Lame.
I want to wait for android to be released, but with nothing on the horizon I'm willing to shell out a modest $200 for an improved iPhone. I've heard rumors that Google may make an announcement shortly after this one, maybe within a week or so? (I hope) Anyone know?
I am not upset about purchasing/owning the iPhone 1.0. It's been leaps and bounds above my Treo 650 and I needed a new iPod anyway.
I knew from day 1 that that price would come down on future versions. The Apple Lisa was $9,995 in 1983 which is around $21,000 today in 2008. That was the baseline model. As technology grows, things get cheaper. If you haven't picked up this, then perhaps you shouldn't buy technology products. You didn't "have" to buy an iPhone, and you should have seen this coming. You shouldn't also buy such a phone if you can't afford it.
At the same time, they are upgrading the firmware on the older phones still. My current one still gives me all the battery life I need for reasonable use. I am in a major city (Boston) with wifi almost everywhere. I don't drive, and thus the GPS is a non-feature.
Anyone that acts "upset" over the new features, and price drop, needs to grow up.
They didn't add any killer features for me. If they had added even something like the (much rumored, but obviously a lie) video chat functionality or something insane then maybe I'd have thought otherwise. Funny how those rumors/lies got around.
Tibbon
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The OS has had a full point release and there doesn't seem to be much for it.
Where's iChat or am I supposed to keep spending like $0.15 a text for SMS. Speaking of SMS, where's the damn MMS?
How about spam filtering on the mail client. This is supposed to be "just like the desktop OS X" so how hard can it be to upgrade the mail client to more completely resemble the functionality of mail.app on the desktop?
No discussion of how the 1st gen phones will handle location.
Nice one month slip on the OS and app store.
So as a 1st generation owner, the only major upgrade in my day to day is the ability to get 3rd party apps. Hopefully 3rd party apps will fill in the gaping holes.
A little adblock would be super helpful too...
Sheldon
From the apple site: "# Requires new 2-year AT&T rate plan, sold separately." In other words, there's no such thing as a $199 iPhone. Plans start at $59.99, so you're looking at a minimum outlay of $1638.76 plus tax over two years.
So, Phone Geeks. Your wisdom please:
Are people that do not live within a 3G service area completely SOL, or will it fall back to Good'ol Edge?
I suppose, when you drop the price of two 2.0 phones on the new model, your choices are to either bitch and moan or accept your fate, eh? Steve Jobs depends upon you suc-, uh you good natured folks. God, love ya.
Still no MMS support? Count me out. That's something I gotta have! Sending to email is not sufficient.
Colin Dean Go a year without DRM
Yes, but will it run Li... Wow, that's pretty cool. Sweet touch screen. Look at it flip, awesome! Gotta get me one of those!
Invenio via vel creo
Will over seas iphone be unlocked by law and will it work in the us.
What contract do you have to sign to get those prices? Do I have to pay $100/month to AT&T? For how long? Fifty years?
You can buy GPS's all day, as many as you want, for under $100. Here's one. Here's another.
And no monthly service fee, or penalty for early cancellation.
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as i sit here watching the live update on my iphone, all i can think of is how i cant wait to watch the live update of a future iphone 3 on this new iphone 2
sink, swim, score and be happy
Me no do feel stupid now, as me has do been using iphone for.... Oh, screw the witty reply - it's been the best phone year of my life, and you are dumb.
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Does this mean that the iPod Touch will be $99 and $199 for 8GB and 16GB? It's been stated by El Jobso before that the price points would be $100 less than the comparable iPhone capacity.
Before everyone goes on a diatribe about what the new iPhone doesn't have or what it doesn't do, remember the long history of the iPod. The first iPod isn't anything special compared to the last several generations. If there are features that you would like to have or features you don't like, just wait and a newer version might address it. It's funny watching the intensity of fanboys and naysayers. If you don't like it, don't buy it. In summary here's the history and the naysayers.
2001:
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Apple: Introducting the iPod: 1000 songs in your pocket.
Naysayers:"No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame." Seriously who's going to buy this? It is Mac only, uses Firewire, and costs $400!!
2002;
Apple: iPod 2.0: Touch sensitive scroll wheel. Now compatible with Windows. Up to 20GB
Naysayers: Okay, more space than a Nomad, but no wireless. Firewire only. Still expensive. Easily scratched
2003:
Apple: iPod 3.0: UI Redesign. Now USB compatible. Up to 40GB
Naysayers:Still waiting for wireless. Still expensive. No video or photo capability. Really I need something smaller, maybe flash based. Easily scratched. Still expensive
2004:
Apple: iPod mini: Smaller version of iPod. 4 or 6 GB disk based. iPod 4.0. UI Redesign. Clickwheel. Up to 40GB. iPod 4.1: now with color and photo capability. Up to 60GB
Naysayers:Still no wireless. Still expensive. No video. Maybe a phone/iPod combination would work. Easily scratched. Still expensive
2005:
Apple:iPod Shuffle: Ultra-portable iPod. Up to 1GB. iPod mini v2: New colors. iPod nano: Flash based. Color. Replacing mini. Up to 4GB. iPod 5.0: Now with video. Up to 80GB
Naysayers:No screen on the shuffle. Small video screen on the iPod. And it's not a touch screen. Replace the profitable mini, are they insane? The nano scraches too easily! Still no wireless. When is Apple going to make an iPhone? Still expensive
2006:
Apple:iPod Shuffe: Even smaller. Metallic shell. Up to 2GB. iPod nano: New scratch-resistant metallic shell. More battery life. Up to 8GB.
Naysayers:I can't use the new shuffle as a USB stick! Still no wireless or widescreen or touchscreen. No iPhone. Easily scratched. Still expensive
January 2007:
Apple:iPhone: multi-touch, widescreen iPod + mobile phone + internet browser + wireless
Naysayers:I wanted the phone part to be separate. It's only on AT&T. It's not 3G. I can't buy music wirelessly. It's frickin' expensive.
September 2007:
Apple:iPod Touch: iPhone without the phone. iTunes Music Store built in. iPod nano: New form factor. Video. Up to 8GB. iPod Classic: Metallic shell. Up to 160GB
Naysayers:iPhone is still only AT&T and not 3G. iPod touch is only 8GB and 16GB. And it's frickin' expensive.
February 2008:
Apple:iPod nano: new colors: iPod shuffle: new colors. iPouch Touch: 32GB available
Naysayers:iPhone is still only AT&T and not 3G. iPod Touch and iPhone are still expensive
June 2008:
Apple:iPhone 2.0: 3G, GPS, Slimmer, faster, more apps. 8GB $199. 16GB $299
Naysayers:iPhone is still only AT&T. Still expensive!!
Fast forward to the future . .
2020:
Apple:iPod femto: Size of a business card, but thinner. Direct neural interface. No charging, uranium battery last 5,000 years. Up to 500TB. iPhone X: Instantaneous, realtime language translation. Up to 20PB
Naysayers:Should be 1PB. Neural interface is only in HD and not Extreme-HD. Should have used plutonium batteries that last 10,000 years. iPhone isn't 6G. Language translation only covers "major" languages and not Swahili. Still expensive.
2021:
Apple:iPod femto: Plutonium batteries. 1PB. iPhone XI: 6G. Language translation now includes Swahili.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I'm surprised that it maxes out at 16GB's still. I was expecting 32GB's. I'm a bit disappointed that once again there is no camera on the front to allow for video conferencing. And it still looks like you can't use it as a modem for your laptop.
I'm using a Palm Centro right now and while I think it sucks compared to the iPhone, its pretty valuable in that I can connect my MacBook Pro to it to get Internet connectivity. And since I pretty much carry my laptop with me everywhere, the value of the iPhone is somewhat diminished for me. Plus, my wife and I are on Sprint's employee plan and we pay a combined $60 a month for unlimited data.
I'm an ATT&T customer, but I've got a Pay-As-You-Go plan. I'm guessing that I can't work that with an iPhone.
(The PAYGO plan costs me <$20 a month. I just don't use a cell phone enough to make it worth $60 a month, which was the cheapest plan available for iPhone v1.)
The iPhone 3G is NOT slimmer - not if you look at the depth. In fact it is a couple of mm's thicker than the predecessor The 3G tech spec page says Height: 4.5 inches (115.5 mm) Width: 2.4 inches (62.1 mm) Depth: 0.48 inch (12.3 mm) Weight: 4.7 ounces (133 grams Old tech spec: Height: 4.5 inches (115 mm) Width: 2.4 inches (61 mm) Depth: 0.46 inch (11.6 mm) Weight: 4.8 ounces (135 grams)
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I'm guess $99 for an 8gig model... LOL
No, it's actually a little thicker than the outgoing model. But hey, you can't expect to get all the details right when you post a keynote summary before the keynote has actually ended.
My wife and I both have prepaid phones that we use sparingly and our total cost is under $20/month. As we hit our 30s and started a family, our use patterns changed dramatically - we're no longer 20-something party animals who need to be yapping/smsing on the phone to everyone throughout the day. We saved almost $500 in cell charges last year without changing our behavior.
So, is *anyone* providing coverage of Snow Leopard?
Mod the parent up as informative for letting us know that the new version is thicker than the old one.
My question is: Does the new version support flash? Can it now use the real internet or is it still locked to the Flashless Safari internet?
"I zero-index my hamsters" - Willtor (147206)
no increased internal capacity = epic fail.
Er, no. Given past pricing strategies I humbly suggest that if the US tag is $199, it will in fact by £199 and â199.
The "Where to buy" page (http://www.apple.com/iphone/buy/) no longer lists it as available through the online apple store. Apparently it will only be available through apple or AT&T stores, so they will likely force you to sign a AT&T contact when buying the phone. It seems this is their answer to the hacks which allowed activation of the iPhone without getting a AT&T contact.
There's no "buy" or preorder button on the Apple store. I want this thing, but there's no way in hell am I going to rush some store for it.
I guess you missed the announcement of the next keynote, all about SnowLeopard... Starting right now, in fact :)
And who's covering it? Nobody.
I'm sorry, I'm 30. what the hell is mms?
Sweet, slick, good looking, and fully controlled by FairPlay DRM. No, not only music, but ALL apps on it. Thing twice, befor jumping into deep **^&...
Artur
They could show off to their girlfriends they were cool like Steve and had money to throw away.
OK, so the iPhone is or will be available in lots and lots of countries. But if I have an iPhone bought in one country, can I use it in another WITHOUT using horrendously expensive international roaming, by plugging in a country-specific SIM chip or some other means? THAT's what I need to know -- not that I can buy a brand new iPhone there.
New 3g iphone speed:
Time to download lonelyplanet.com.
Edge: 48 seconds.
3g: 20 seconds.
Comcast (!!!) 5 seconds.
Priceless?
Why do you think he put GPS in the new phones? So he could more quickly find dissenters like you. (I have visions of police from Minority Report descending from copters...)
I hate how cell phone companies bury the fact that you need ongoing service buried.
Dimensions from Engadget -
Model
Weight (grams) Size (mm)
iPhone 3G
133 115.5 x 62.1 x 12.3
iPhone (EDGE)
135 115 x 61 x 11.6
HTC Touch Diamond
110 102 x 51 x 11.35
HTC Touch Pro
165 102 x 51 x 18.05
Sony Ericsson Xperia X1
158 110 x 52.6 x 17
The best part has been the price. Let hope the iPhone dev team gets to work soon and comes up with a way to unlock this.
Apple listened to developers and enterprise customers in nailing the iPhone feature list. No objections or gripes here.
The 3G iPhone pricing is very un-Apple in being very attractive and without an obvious price premium. In fact, it is priced for mass-market consumption right now. That means there will be millions out there a year from now. And the ecosystem/market will flock to this high-profile platform, in turn creating even more pull.
The stock is down today about 4%. Why Jim Cramer is saying "sell on the news" is beyond me. AAPL is going to be a lot bigger and more profitable a year from now.
There is no technology risk here, so sit back and watch one of the great technology markets of a lifetime unfold.
GSM is much better than CDMA because of its interoperability.
Insert SIM card & talk.
Some overseas iPhones will be sold unlocked (France I know for sure), but unlocking the phone is so easy, I don't see why it should be a problem if it's sold unlocked or not.
[Fuck Beta]
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Last I heard, unlocked iPhones were being sold in France, but they're significantly more expensive than the locked iPhones. When I crunched the numbers a few months ago, I think the cost came to over $1,000 USD (probably even more now, since the dollar is still getting weaker compared to the euro).
In addition, Apple won't provide support for iPhones outside their country of purchase, so if anything goes wrong with it, you'd have to make an international trip just to get it serviced.
Is the end of the iphone? Its no longer exclusive, i can see it fading like the razr. Hell all good things have to come to a end.
Is this not the perfect platform for geohashing?
Just curious..
My wife has a 16GB iPhone and I have some craptacular LG CU575 flip phone. What will be the price for me if I'm already on the AT&T and just want the iPhone? (I'm betting full price of $500).
*sigh*
Ok, they listened to customers, but they didn't hear anything about MMS? Is it such a difficult feature to add? How about cut and paste?!
It looks like all this press isn't the best thing for att.com, they are "Down for maintenance"
Ok. So I hear the news on the radio that the new $199 IPHONE will be available in July. After trying mightily for a half-hour, I finally get through on Apple's overloaded website server. I have my credit card in hand, and I'm ready to buy - even if it means waiting till July. But there's no option to buy online. I don't need or want to find an Apple retail store, nor do I have the time, and I refuse to find a brick and mortar AT&T mobile phone retailer, where I will have to deal with a slick, commissioned salesman who won't know as much about the product as I do. I just want to buy the phone online, lock myself into a 2 year contract with AT&T, and wait for my new phone to come in the mail.
Apple has just made a critical error. Starting with the trouble I had accessing their website, and now finding out I can't just click and buy online, I've had enough time to take a cold shower, stop and catch my breath, and I'll just wait until the second generation of the new 3G phones comes out on the market, after all the bugs have been worked out in the first round of new IPHONES. Some other guy can be the first sucker to Woot. Nevermind.
does an iPhone 3G include internal maps and routing capabilities?
Or will routing be an additional cost from a third party? Will maps cost extra, or even be available internally, or will it depend upon pulling the local area from the web? How much good will that do if you're lost in the backcountry, where you're lucky to have cell coverage, let alone 3G data.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
Remember the jailbroken iPhones? There were a few software updates that bricked them, so unlocking a locked iPhone might be risky.
Apple claimed the bricking happened because the jailbreaking process damaged the iPhones in some way. A lot of people suspected that Apple in fact deliberately bricked them. I don't know if anyone conclusively proved it one way or the other (I don't have an iPhone, so I didn't follow it closely).
The Apple website says Canada is in the list of countries that get the 3G iPhone on July 11. I guess that means Rogers, since they're the only GSM network (since they bought Fido).
I read that the US AT&T unlimited data plans were $20/mo. Browsing through rogers.com I see that $25/mo gets you some text messages and 4MB of data. The closest to "unlimited" is $100/mo and you get 1GB of data. In both the AT&T and Rogers cases these are on top of your regular monthly bill for voice.
Rogers need to dial its prices back to about 1/10 of what they are now if they want to be in line with the US.
whoopty fucking do, another apple product, lets rush out and get it to make sure we're smuggier then the last fanboi
I can afford the iPhone itself. In fact, I could afford the old $399 iPhone. What I can't afford is over $60 per month for the minimum plan (over $60 when you add in the various fees they tack on for fun). If they offered a $30 per month plan I would probably buy one. If they had a $20 plan, I'd be buying one now. I don't need a lot of talk time. In fact, I'd be willing to pay for every call as I so rarely make calls. I just want the unlimited data. Hell, give me no voice calls at all, no SMS, just data and I'll use my pay-as-you-go phone for the extremely infrequent calls I need to make with it.
--- What?
Doubtful. And this is most likely a Flash problem, rather than an Apple problem. It's a mostly closed standard, and even the 'official' implementations aren't all that great.
Adobe's implementation of Flash is remarkably inefficent, and Adobe notoriously refuse to release the player for any non-x86 platform (apart for legacy support of MacPPC, which is pretty grim even compared to the other, better-supported versions).
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for flash on mobile platforms. You'd probably have more success developing your own standard and convincing the world to switch (I'm not kidding).
The various OSS flash implementations have been progressing at a snail's pace, although I wouldn't put much more hope in those than I would in WINE (ie. it'll never be stable enough to be useful). However, Adobe have recently relaxed their grip on the SWF specification, so we *might* see some progress.
Still, I wouldn't hold my breath. I don't typically count myself among the flash-haters, but the recent problems arising from the lack of cross-platform support and the absurd levels of CPU usage imposed by the player are a huge problem.
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Well, it's true that AT&T will have nationwide 3G coverage, for certain definitions of "nationwide" which exclude several entire states, and major portions of the country. Although their map shows presence in every state, this is a mirage. There are quite a few states where AT&T doesn't offer service at all. If you happen to be an AT&T customer from somewhere else, you get 3G coverage from a parter, but you can't get a local phone number on an iPhone (or any other AT&T phone) in those locations.
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This requires just one persistent connection and is extremely scalable.
On every phone I've used so far, maintaining an open connection destroys battery life. I wonder how Apple is going to pull this off...
AT&T's wireless Web site is down for maintenance.
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/site-map
Interesting!
Trying to find quick feature anwser...
I'm not an iPhone fanboi by far, but I do friends and clients that like them. (Yes I prefer Windows Mobile because of the massive feature differences, like remoting into my desktop or servers.)
However, does v2 have Voice recognition and digit dialing? This has been one of the biggest hang ups of people I know, most being bluetooth users and have been clicking their ear piece or stereo headset and saying "Dial Auntie Mame Mobile" or "Dial 555-1212" or other Start Camera and Lookup Contact commands Newer multimedia phones even let you do "Play Madonna" from your stereo headset.(My 80+ grandma uses bluetooth, and wouldn't drag a phone of out her purse just to look at the screen and find a contact to dial by hand anymore.)
I can't find it mentioned anywhere, if anyone has a heads up or tip on this must have feature, post a link...
* Too big.
* No disk mode.
* No possibility to add an external keyboard.
The new one is much cheaper, but, frankly, why pay anything at all for a device I do not want?
With the buzz on some other sites, it is conceivable that the handset will be free, but the contract is where they make the money. European mobile phones are sold in a very different way to the US. We will know soon enough.
It looks like their app store model is still very centralized, not at all well suited to installing arbitrary software willy-nilly, as open source DIY-ers are prone to do.
Of course, if someone makes a good ssh client for it, I'll probably buy one anyway.
There's no failure quite as dissatisfying as a complete and total solution to the wrong problem.
I'll bet $299. Who ever wins get the split the diffence ($100). You can't lose with that bet (the worst you'll pay is $399;-))
And it's under NDA. So no obvious live feeds.
Ah, apart from http://www.apple.com/ca/press/2008_06/snow_leopard.html then.
With a two-year contract, the price of an 8GB iPhone 3G will be $199; the 16GB model will be priced at $299
Unlimited iPhone 3G data plans for consumers will be available for $30 a month, in addition to voice plans starting at $39.99 a month
~~"Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong." ~~Dennis Miller
What cap? The current at&t plans are unlimited data, and I don't see any indicator that that will be changing.
A couple of things here;
1. It got uglier. It's slightly fatter than the original and the tapered edges make it look even worse! (This is the reason the MacBook Air is so fugly)
2. No 32GB! I'll pass thanks
From my perspective, these are the things I didn't hear that I had wanted to hear...
:-)
* No expanded capacity. I had hoped for 24Gb or 32Gb models
* No improved camera. I had hoped for more megapixels, maybe a flash, or at least better controls and options and editing
* No mention of copy/paste. Come on! Copy/Paste!
* No mention of rotatable keyboard, across all aps
* No MMS. Come on! Multi-media messaging is standard on most phones sold now!
* No mention of email search. Contact search is great, but let us search through everything. Pervasive search!
That said, I'm still buying one
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That depends on the state of your current contract with AT&T. If your contract is up, only the cost of a new iPhone and a new plan. If your contract isn't up, there's upgrade costs, fees, etc.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Well, not really. What its really about is spreading some of the interesting innovations in Leopard universally throughout the system. For example, the reference to multi core processors in the Snow Leopard press release is clearly about spreading the new NSOperation, among other things. Stuff like that. This goes pretty far beyond a "bug fix" release.
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Spectrum should not be owned. As long as the spectrum is owned by a small number of companies that don't really compete, we will all have to use the crap they allow us to use to connect to their network.
A half measure would be for regulators to devise reasonable standards for connecting to networks so that any device made could be used. This would give people the ability to guard their privacy but it would not save the economy from tremendous parasitic communications costs.
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If you're really experiencing lots of kernel panics on Leopard, you should check to see if you have a hardware problem. Bad RAM or a flakey disk drive can both cause that problem.
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Frankly, some of the announcements were just lame. Scientific calc? Oh wow, that took what... maybe five minutes in XCode... Why haven't they ported Grapher.app yet? Announcements for VoIP apps were conspicuously missing. So were P2P apps. Gee, I wonder why? </ sarcasm> Yet they can still manage to lob an "ActiveStink" joke... Hmm, maybe people with glass phones shouldn't throw rocks...
They launch a phone without many features people expect in free phones, and charge $600 a pop. Now companies like Samsung offer up serious competition with the i900, and suddenly Apple is charging $200 a pop.
Lesson 1: Competition is good.
Lesson 2: If you paid $600 for an inferior product, you were hosed.
I'm really curious to see the price point on the i900, which last I heard, will be available in January (a few months earlier than the 3G iPhone).
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Flash really isn't necessary for video if you have a decent browser, which leaves annoying adverts (the worst are these new ones that jump over half the page), annoying all-flash websites (those I am happy to live without), and flash games (meh). The only time I turn it on is for You Tube, and that's only because they don't offer alternative formats. The real internet is getting along just fine without flash, and is (IMHO) moving away from it to more open formats not controlled by one vendor.
This phone isn't being marketed to you! Turns out, not everyone on earth has your life, lifestyle, or priorities!
Also, I hit my 30s and started a family - and I'm likely to get one. Turns out not even all the people in your rough age and social cohort have the same priorities as you!
Data plans are now $10 more than they are now, so $30/month, with a $39.99/month minimum voice plan... (all in one convenient 24 month contract!) I'm sure that more than makes up for Apple's decrease in price, since they get a cut of that in their profit sharing deal with AT&T. Not dissing Apple or the iPhone, as I was an early adopter of the original, and will probably be an early adopter of this one.
There didn't seem to be any info on improved Bluetooth support. Does this one support stereo audio (A2DP) and/or OBEX? What about DUN, so it can be used as a bluetooth modem over HSDPA/3g? The DUN Bt profile is pretty basic.
Here in Silicon Valley, there used to be areas where the higher-priced homeowners didn't want ugly cell towers so coverage was bad; AFAICT, that's mostly no longer a problem with the major carriers, though a few of the hilly areas have spotty coverage, and nobody seems to be charging for roaming any more, so any gaps are pretty transparently covered. It's a big change from five years ago, and especially from 10 years ago. And text messages between people who use different carriers seem to work fairly consistently; it used to be that they might take a day to get delivered if you were unlucky.
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We've all read that Apple's relationship with AT&T hasn't gone swimmingly and gawd know plenty of people (me included) REALLY don't want to get cell service from them, if only for privacy reasons. Apple may do plenty of jerky things but they ain't dumb. Or slow. So it's only natural that they've created a routearound. I agree that the markets are *somewhat* different, but far from "completely". Plenty of overlap there, especially from the several year perspective.
So no, I'll be watching the iTouch and the iPhone as just what they are: devices from the same platform for the same general kinds of customers. No more "completely different" than buyers of BMW versus buyers of Mercedes.
It's all about the information. And what we do with it.
And how did one button is all anyone ever needs now become button(s)?
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I am in the market for a new phone and have been awaiting the release of the next iPhone and also the first Android phones. I think, based on this presentation and the earlier demo of Android, I am going to wait for the Android's release later this year. At the very least it won't be anywhere near as shackled as the iPhone. (Just my $0.02 - YMMV)
Forgive the pun.
A comparison was being made between the iPhone 3G and a "GPS." based on the iPhone having a 33% price premium. I pointed out that it was a 100% premium. Someone said that was for a GPS with no maps. I pointed out that an iPhone doesn't have maps at the stated price, either (you need to pay for service, too).
So, make a fair comparison, and add the minimum cost of service to the iPhone price, making it $199 plus $70/month times 24 months. Now you can fairly compare to a GPS with a map. $150 for the GPS vs. $1879 for the iPhone. Or, maybe you can find an iPhone 3G somewhere without service, and just use the GPS feature without service and maps. That's the comparison I made - $100 vs. $199.
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Remarkably inefficient; Now that's something that should be said again and again, and four times more if you're on a Mac. I cannot fathom why it takes one full 1.83Ghz core to decode FLV video in flash, when I can do 720p with less CPU usage when it's h264 in QT.
you can buy it at the new customer price as an existing customer once your upgrade period comes ( I think it's at 18 mnths).
If AT&T is going to subsidize these by ~$200, and with no advertised non-contract price point, they will likely make you sign a contract at the same time you purchase the phone. This is AT&T's solution to the unlocking problem.
Now I can download porn with my 3g iPhone from everywhere and 2x faster ! Thanks Apple !
I've seen unlocked iPhones for £269/336/$538 in Leeds, UK.
Looks like Apple has picked up on the slashdot meme and turned it from a bug into a feature -- look at http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/wireless.html on the bottom right it advertises the phone as having "More wireless. Less space." And given that iTunes is installed, they could have easily added, "LAME."
I, for one, am tremendously unhappy with this kind of temporal data plan recursion. Even if it is innovative, infinite pricing schemes relying on iterations of the present I find to be unacceptable!
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Why won't Apple or AT&T sell me the damn thing online and ship it when one is available? I just don't have time to go to a damn store and wait in some bullshit line in order to buy something that should be available from an online store.
Hi Apple! Hi AT&T! I'm your target market. Please make it easy for me to buy your product.
I don't care how awesome the phone is. Until I can pick my carrier, I won't buy one.
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Where's the 'ANY' key? I see Esk, Kitarl, and Pig-Up...
The most embarrassing bit is that, if you extract the .FLV, VLC can play it reasonably efficiently. QuickTime can do it too, given the proper codec (and many mac haters like to think of QT as the poster child of inefficient software!)
I'm amazed Apple hasn't developed their own specification. If they got their WebKit folks to promote an Open-Source flash alternative, there would be a reasonably good chance of it seeing widespread acceptance. Apple's history with OSS is a bit shaky, although it's clear that any sort of "flash killer" will need the support of the community if it wants any hope of succeeding. The backlash against Microsoft's surprisingly-not-bad Silverlight should be sufficient evidence to convince Apple to go the open-source route.
Heck.... thanks to the "Core" libraries, the underlying frameworks are already there.
Flash's days are numbered. That much is for sure.
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You may, for example, have friends who are not wealthy enough to have but the most basic phone service. Or maybe you have people who want to call you from their office, where local personal calls are kosher and non-local personal calls are not.
Not nearly the issue it used to be now that most people have cell phones that don't care about who you are calling, but still an issue.
paintball
Does the new 3G iPhone support Bluetooth Stereo headphones?
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silverlight: On the mac, it's almost as crashy: http://inessential.com/?comments=1&postid=3491
I blogged about the idea of 'transparent synchronisation' today.
I think it's interesting that the next killer mobile application may not be a mobile application at all, but rather, an application that makes it completely irrelevant and transparent that I am mobile. Regardless of whether I sit down at my desktop at home, my laptop in the airport lounge, or my phone on the go, I get the same, live, consistent view of all of my electronic stuff. This is a hard problem, that's been done quite poorly for the most part. I wonder if Apple has cracked it with Mobile Me?
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Still no phone as modem capability.
Wake up and open up Apple.
Plans start at $70/month (before taxes and fees) now. It's $40/month phone + $30/month data.
The $200 lower price for the phone hardly means much considering you'll spend over $2000 in service over the two year contract.
Yes, price. Nice point here.
If I am to wait for the Iphone to come to Brazil, I will have to pay something around US$ 850. EIGHT HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS, yes, thatÂs how much it will cost here. Well... US$ 200 in the US... so i guess IÂm gonna wait for some friend to go to the US and buy one for me. Jailbreaking is not a problem, I couldnÂt care less for AT&T anyway...
-Andre
Sorry, I *knew* I shouldn't have attended WWDC this year.
Notmysig
That's valid if you buy a full blown GPS packaged together with- / locked to- some expensive mapping function.
If you go to the bargain bin you can find very cheap GPS receiver. Which are basically just GPS antennas that communicate using serial cable / SDIO connector / bluetooth link to the device of your choice to be used with the application of your choice.
No fancy screen nor built-in software.
For even cheaper, you can find devices (from Parrot, for example) which double as bluetooth car handsfree and bluetooth GPS receivers. (And cost less than both combined).
Then you can use it with your EEE PC (hum... does google provide an API in Google Maps to use it with a GPS ?)
Or, if you hate Garmin that much, steal one of their Map application and run it on your PDA, just for the sake of stealing from those you hate.
On the other hand, given Apple's past stance toward bluetooth, you can pretty much be sure that iPhone 3G's bluetooth could only be paired with handsfree, and would never be allowed to function as a glorified bluetooth GPS receiver for your laptop.
On the other hand, I don't pretty much give a damn about Apple and thus haven't followed their speach. Maybe in fact Steve has announced that the iPhone 3G is going to be much more open than the iPhone 2G.
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Get over yourselves people, this is the BEST PHONE EVER MADE. Period. End of Sentence. The rest of you peeps need to shut yo face.
I've dropped my phone hard at least once a month for the past 14 months. It set me back about $800 so I try to take good care of it, but sh!t happens, and when it does, plastic bounces. It doesn't shatter like glass. Go ahead, read the comments at the flickr page. They illustrate the point nicely:
All you iPhone fans are just alike. You brag about how durable your glass phone is until you break it. Then you're crying because of the $200 repair bill... Funny how the 3G iPhone casing is no longer aluminum and now made out of this "inferior" material as well. Perhaps they should have replaced it with glass since glass is SOOO durable.
And then subsequent updates unbricked the phones.
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perhaps you should stop treating your phone like a horseshoe and more like the expensive electronic gadget that is. If the iPhone had a plastic screen I wouldn't have wanted one. The glass is superior to a scratched up crappy looking piece of plastic
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Have we heard anything on support for Flash files on the iPhones. I would like to view webpages built in Flash, or view flash advertisements... just curious.
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I bought the phone to use it, not to stick on a pedestal behind a velvet rope to admire its beauty. It's a phone. If you use it, you're going to drop it. Fact of life. Plan on it.
The glass is superior to a scratched up crappy looking piece of plasticThis really isn't a logical argument. Plastic, scratch resistant screen protectors are about $2 on the high end and they work beautifully. If you did somehow manage to scratch it, just peel it off and stick another one on in its place. I've had the same one for 14 months. There isn't a scratch on my plastic screen.
then it is bought/paid separately. Unless you can quote something concrete (I saw that at the bottom of Apple's site too) from Apple it is still dubious what the jailbreaking real price will be.
You needed to footnote your post.
How would you apply the subsequent updates to a bricked iPhone?
If you can't afford the plan, you're not in the target demographic. Yes, I know, it's shiny and all. Get over it.
I do friends and clients as well, but not based on their phone preferences. This reminds me of that one guy's sig around here, saying that the real iPhone killer is gonna be sex robots from Japan. He may be on to something.
It's going to come down to TCO. When Jobs first talked about the roadmap earlier this year, one point was that Crackberries require a server in between the phone and the Exchange server, while the iPhone won't. And I think Enterprise has standardized on Exchange a lot more than on Crackberry.
So it sounds like Enterprise can allow iPhones to trickle in, with direct Exchange access, and if there's a Crackberry server sitting there too, evaluate the cost over time of keeping it around.
It may very well end up being similar to the way in which Macs have recently infiltrated the Enterprise. A few employees ask if they can please, please, please have one; IT and management eventually say "sure, but you have to provide your own support," and next thing you know, one-third of the organization (or two-thirds, in some cases) have them.
Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
Where's the form for sending in my current iPhone for a cheap/free upgrade to the new one?
The iPhone goes to Latin America and there's something very interesting happening there: the Dominican Republic will have 2 suppliers!
Claro and Orange
http://www.apple.com/la/iphone/buy/
I know the DR is a trendy country (I lived there many years) but why would apple have 2 suppliers there?
My understanding is that the iPhone underground was quick to blame Apple for the "bricking" but then, as understanding of the firmware was increased, the general consensus was "Yes, the early unlocks did damage the firmware, not just unlock it." Later updates and underground tools were able to undo that damage, so most unauthorized unlocks have not resulted in permanent damage to the phone unless something went terribly wrong in the unlock process.
199$? They seem to aggressively push the IPhone into the market. Who else sees this move as a direct attack to Google Anroid?
That is just so 2005.
Actually that is the reason I did not buy a Sony Erricson P990 in 2006, instead going for a Vodafone branded TyTn (which I've done well by).
You'd probably have more success developing your own standard and convincing the world to switch (I'm not kidding).
Microsoft are trying to do something like that with Silverlight. Microsoft would do it, if Apple wanted to play.
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correct me if i'm wrong but isn't the the iphone 0.48" and the old one is 0.43" ?
I'd like to chime in and say that any way of watching video that uses up 90% of my processor and freezes when I multitask earns nothing but derision from me.
I like Adobe, and I do like Flash in some places, but not for video.
Apple is going after the mass markets, people who will not spend $500 on a phone. The early adopters, apple geeks, and phone=status luxury users are already in, and now it's time to sell to the big hump on the bell curve.
And let's remember that with an iPhone comes the necessity to use iTunes, which introduces the users to apple software and makes the transition to Mac computer hardware likely...er. I cheer for our white hard plastic robotic overlords! Oh, and don't tell me that Wall-e is not a plot to prepare the mass consciousness for their arrival!
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