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Gameboy Advance Clone Superemulator

Aluminum Tuesday writes "During a raging internal debate over whether to fork out for the new Gameboy Advance SP, I came across the Korean GP32, a handheld console that looks superior to the GBA in every way. It's capable of emulating the GBA, Super Nintendo, Commodore 64, etc. plus there's a SCUMMVM engine for Monkey Island games and a Java VM. Seems to have a huge online following. It runs its own OS, and there are programs capable of playing divx/mp3 files, though there's also a Linux port on the way. Not too expensive either. (99UKP / 149USD) That's a UK supplier; they ship worldwide, though I found this more expensive American supplier too. (179USD)" Gotta catch 'em all!

410 comments

  1. One thing not mentioned in the submission... by mattrix2k · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is it's ability to link with up to 4 other SP32's wirelessly: http://www.gp32news.com/?page=showpage&lang=en&id= 6

    1. Re:One thing not mentioned in the submission... by ThatMadeNoSense · · Score: 0

      Is it's ability to link...

      That made no sense.

    2. Re:One thing not mentioned in the submission... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now only if you could find 3 other people who GP32.

    3. Re:One thing not mentioned in the submission... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, you're a moron, and it did make sense. 'Is it's ability to link...' is a continuation of the subject of his post, 'One thing not mentioned...'

      Sigh. I guess there's nothing like feeling superior, except for feeling superior when you're not.

    4. Re:One thing not mentioned in the submission... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The author of the post was pointing out a grammatical error in the parent post. Let me spell it out for you:

      it is == it's

      it (possessive) == its

    5. Re:One thing not mentioned in the submission... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The explain to me the sentence: Bob's GP32 works very will. Is this more of that crazy american unglish?

    6. Re:One thing not mentioned in the submission... by JebusIsLord · · Score: 1

      it's is a special case. It's could be a contraction of "It is" or refer to "it's" ownership of something. Because of this, the latter useage is infact incorrect, and "its" is used instead.
      Follow?

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    7. Re:One thing not mentioned in the submission... by redwood2 · · Score: 2, Funny
      yeah, my favorite line in that section:

      you can play games even when your lovely puppy is standing in front of you wagging his tail, blocking your view.

      awwww...

      "Aint no way to put it subtle, when I want the butthole." Slick Rick

  2. Re:Cool emulator by sogoodsofarsowhat · · Score: 5, Funny

    You should title your comment .... 'I CANNOT EVEN READ THE SUMMARY OF THE ARTICLE' It clearly states that Linux port is in the works. Nice to see that reading is still a specialized skill.

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  3. ./'d already .. gimme lcd specs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LCD resolution .. what is it? tnx.

  4. Can you also use it as a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Controller/VeiwScreen for a GameCube like a GBA?

  5. uh... by ziggles · · Score: 0, Troll

    What's next? Slashdot posts stories about warez releases?

    1. Re:uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot posts stories about warez releases?
      HELL YEAH! "Stuff that matters."

    2. Re:uh... by BFaucet · · Score: 1

      This product is not illegal in the slightest from what I can tell.

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    3. Re:uh... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "What's next? Slashdot posts stories about warez releases?"

      Emulation != warez. As a matter of fact, emulation is a valuable tool when developing games for something like the GBA. Or did you think they used a GBA with an on-screen keyboard to program? ;)

    4. Re:uh... by Babbster · · Score: 1
      No, emulation doesn't necessarily equal warez, but the implication and likelihood is there, anyway. Unless you're dumping your own ROMs of GBA games (via something like the Flash Advance Linker which will set you back at least $150), you're going to download ROMs. Those ROMs are copyrighted and therefore aren't supposed to be distributed. Given that GBA cartridges are being produced and can be purchased at standard retail (unlike old games for the Commodore 64, NES, etc.), there's not even a decent excuse for said distribution.

      Even GBA development isn't an excuse, again, because of the availability of the Flash Advance Linker mentioned above.

      Anyone buying a GP32 for the purpose of playing GBA games is doing so because for whatever reason they think it's a better financial deal for playing pirated games (for the cost of a SmartMedia card) since a GBA SP is cheaper and a GBA is a lot cheaper.

      All of this SEEMS to be moot since the link given in the story to GP32 emulators doesn't seem to include a GBA emulator, only GB/GBC.

  6. DRM/DMCA/Profit? by st0rmcold · · Score: 0, Redundant


    Great, but I still wonder how long it will last until they get nailed for making a better product than the original :)

    DRM in the GBA games will surely be here soon to force only a real GBA handheld can play the games.

    Don't get me wrong, I think it's great, but big corporations don't like competition and tend to crush them everytime the oppurtunity comes along.

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    1. Re:DRM/DMCA/Profit? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Great, but I still wonder how long it will last until they get nailed for making a better product than the original :)

      It's not a Gameboy though. It's an entirely different platform, one which GB emulation software has been ported to.

      As for "better" product, let's drop this and an official Gameboy from 4ft up and see which one still works afterward... :)

      DRM in the GBA games will surely be here soon to force only a real GBA handheld can play the games.

      The original Gameboy hardware (and possibly later versions too) had bootstrap code that compared a bitmap of the Nintendo(TM) logo in hardware to a bitmap on the cart, and if they weren't identical, the cartridge's code would not be run. So in order to release GB software without breaking the law, developers had to get Nintendo's permission to put their logo into their ROM.

      That's as close to the DRM scheme you fear as anything, and it's been around for fifteen years now.

    2. Re:DRM/DMCA/Profit? by secolactico · · Score: 1

      So in order to release GB software without breaking the law, developers had to get Nintendo's permission to put their logo into their ROM.


      Holy crapola! Actually I shouldn't be surprised. Nintendo can go to great length to control what gets and what doesn't get released for their platform. Do the have a restriction like this on the Gamecube? (Almost) all the games I've popped into mine start with the Nintendo logo (I said also because I can't swear to it, but I'm almost positive). Maybe a licensing restriction on the media type?

      Do you have any links regarding this? A superficial search on google turns up nothing. Will search more, tho, it's an interesting subject.

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    3. Re:DRM/DMCA/Profit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I put a "Nintendo sucks" bitmap logo on my own cartridge ROM, do I still infringe the copyright law?

      I remember some VGA vendors put strings like "IBM XXX -> This is not a IBM product..." on the BIOS ROM to make it compatible with some IBM softwares...

    4. Re:DRM/DMCA/Profit? by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "DRM in the GBA games will surely be here soon to force only a real GBA handheld can play the games."

      You do realize we're talking about a media that doesn't even have region encoding and hasn't for over a decade, right?

    5. Re:DRM/DMCA/Profit? by Luke-Jr · · Score: 1

      Actually, even the original GB cartridges had a region. They're either Japan Region or Everyone-Else Region. The GB consoles never checked any of it though.

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  7. Catch ? by zeoslap · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Come on there has to be a catch right ? Surely this violates untold numbers of patents or weighs three tonne, something! If not it's a very impressive little bit of kit.

    1. Re:Catch ? by t0qer · · Score: 1

      Hardware emulation isn't illeagle. No honest to god it isn't.

    2. Re:Catch ? by zeoslap · · Score: 1

      Alrighty, however the list of emulators only list the Gameboy/Gameboy Color and not the advance.

    3. Re:Catch ? by brandorf · · Score: 1

      The GP32 does have a faster processor than the GBA, it does not have the special graphics hardware that the GBA does, so this has to be emulated in software, so the gurrent GBA emulators are bound to be pretty slow.

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    4. Re:Catch ? by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      The GBA emulator is in the works. A (very) private beta is out. Supposedly the frame rate is still low (10fps) but some re-writting in assembly should speed it up.

  8. Woot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where is the link to the man's online store so that I can purchase it from him for a low, low price.

    1. Re:Woot by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      I used Craig's Store in the UK. Got it in 10 days via airmail, to the souuth central US.

  9. I give this thing 1 week... by ArchMagus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    before Nintendo's lawyers are beating down the distributors doors demanding they halt immediately importing this thing.

    Get 'em while you can! :)

    1. Re:I give this thing 1 week... by grundy · · Score: 1

      Well, considering this was on /. last year, when they first got Linux to boot on it successfully, I gotta imagine someone at Nintendo knows about it.

    2. Re:I give this thing 1 week... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess how much of a fool you look like right now?

      Oh, and I just read through a couple of your latest posts, and have concluded you're just as lame as I'd guessed when I saw your name.

    3. Re:I give this thing 1 week... by kauff · · Score: 1

      >I give this thing 1 week...

      Well, it has already been around for about a year, soooo....

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  10. specs by slyguy420 · · Score: 5, Informative

    cpu 32 bit risc cpu
    screen 3.5" tft
    rom 512 kbyte
    media smc(smart media card)
    sdram 8mb
    communication usb port
    sound 16bit stereo sound
    4 channel wav mixing
    resolution 320 x 240 pixel
    power supply 2 batteries aa
    display colors 65536 colors

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  11. tech specs by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dimension/Weight 147mm X 88mm X 34mm(163g)
    Display 3.5" Reflective TFT LCD(65,536 concurrent colors)
    Resolution 320 X 240 pixel
    CPU 32-bit RISC CPU(ARM9)
    RAM 8MB SDRAM
    ROM 512K
    Sound 44.1Khz 16 bit Stereo Sound / 4 Channel Wav Mixing, 16Poly S/W MIDI Support / Earphone Port / 2 Speakers
    External Storage Medium Smart Media Card (SMC)
    Wireless Multiplayer Gaming 4-Channel RF Module PC Connection USB Port Connection
    Power Supply 2AA batteries (12 hours use time between charges) / DC 3V Adapter
    Option Rechargeable Battery
    Controls 8-way directional pad (joystick) + Durable 6 key button
    MP3 Capability MPEG ( , )
    Audio Support Other Add-on Applications
    Image Viewer, Text Viewer, Media Player, E-Book Viewer
    RF Module 2.4GHz ISM Band

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    1. Re:tech specs by Piquan · · Score: 1

      Alas, no backlit LCD! That's the biggest flaw that the GBA has. I have a GBA, and have considered picking up the GBA SP just for the backlit LCD!

    2. Re:tech specs by Merlin42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      But remember that the backlight took up the room needed for the headphone jack.

    3. Re:tech specs by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      A version with front light (like a GBA afterburner) is due out this month. Kits for updating existing GP32s will be available also.

    4. Re:tech specs by meringuoid · · Score: 1

      Sold! Console emuing and MP3s in something that size is damn sweet. And £100 is a nice price too.

      Well, maybe. Smart cards, is it? Why not a USB interface direct to a PC? I'd like to be able to just plug in and dump my Massive ROM Collection (tm).

      Oh, and that Linux port can't come too soon. I have a whole lot of .oggs I can't be arsed to rerip.

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    5. Re:tech specs by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      It actually DOES have a USB interface. Direct to a PC.

  12. It's cool an all but.... by zeoslap · · Score: 1

    It doesn't emulate the Gameboy Advance, just the gameboy and who knows how well it even does that.

    1. Re:It's cool an all but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does this only get a 1? It's pointing out a blaring error in the original post, that the device does NOT emulate the GBA.

    2. Re:It's cool an all but.... by elite+lamer · · Score: 1

      There is a Gameboy Advance emulator in the works. The Gameboy Color emulator works at very good speed with sound and saving supported; I've had my GP32 for a long time and can attest to this. You have the option of playing with GBC's little letterboxed screen, or having it stretched to fit GP32's big screen.

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    3. Re:It's cool an all but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I expect the GBA emulator will require frameskip to be turned on in the extreme, since the GBA's video hardware is superior in several ways to that of the GP32.

  13. BUT by 1nfern0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    how can you run a good emulation of SNES with only 2 buttons.

    1. Re:BUT by Eamon+C · · Score: 1

      I don't know -- ask somebody who's played a Game Boy Advance!

    2. Re:BUT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the GBA is supposed to be around the same performance as the SNES, which is why you see so many SNES games being ported to the GBA. Both this device and the GBA use the L and R buttons to replace the other two buttons. You might then comment about how the SNES used L and R as well. Im not sure how to emulate those buttons, but most games didnt even use them, and for the most part, wont be a problem for most people.

    3. Re:BUT by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      I haven't had any problems with SNES games on my GP32. Maybe I just haven't tried the right ROM to see the problem.

    4. Re:BUT by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      It has shoulder buttons too... just like the GBA.

      So any game that was ported from SNES to GBA would also be playable on this device.

    5. Re:BUT by elite+lamer · · Score: 1

      There are two SNES emulators available for GP32. Snes9xGP allows you to map your buttons, so if you need to, you can have two buttons (like A+B or L+R) equal one SNES button (like X or Y). I haven't tried the other SNES emulator so I don't know if it allows button-mapping or not.

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  14. but that's just me by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm quite happy with the tetris on my cellphone...

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  15. Reading the article made me think.... by hobbesmaster · · Score: 1

    But wait! There more! Thats a $500 for only $170 USD! Call now!

  16. Emulation and DMCA by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Insightful
    How well does the emulation work? If there's any emulator for PC that emulates all the SNES games (or whichever kind) in existance, i've yet to hear about it. And does it have enough processing power to run the non-native code without any slowdown or such?

    I'm also curious if Nintendo is going to try to kill this thing. Although I'm sure Nintendo is making a profit off of GameBoys, I'm also sure they make most of their profits from the games themselves, so logically they'd have a reason to look the other way if this encouraged more people to buy gameboy games. However since when has logic ever raised it's head in legal/piracy issues?

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    1. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actualy Snes9x and zSnes are both decent SNES emulators for the PC and run MOST of the good games(if it doesn't workin Snes9x, it probably works in zSnes and vice versa). Snes9x even has a Linux port. Nintendo has been successfull combating hardware based emulation, but on the software front, it's been a bit more difficult.

    2. Re:Emulation and DMCA by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

      ZSNES can run every rom file I've thrown at it. The SNES is pretty old and pretty well understood. Also I doubt they would look the other way if they had a way to stop this as it has no native interface for the GB and GBA carts so most people will play pirated roms.

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    3. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What?

      I have been playing SNES, NES, Genesis, Atari, and Turbographix 16 games on my computer for years. Literally. No slowdown whatsoever. The Super Nintendo chip was what? 4 Mhz? Anyway.

      Have you ever done a google search?

    4. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there are many snes emulators.

    5. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Sancho · · Score: 1

      That may, in fact, be it's saving grace. If it could physically interface with current cartridges on the market, Nintendo might actually have a legitimate case against these people. I'm not sure if such things have been tested in courts. But for sure, pure emulation has been and, more often than not, found legal.
      Right? Or is that just FUD?

    6. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      Which one aren't able to be emulated. Everything I've tried with SNES9x has worked ok.

      Jaysyn

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    7. Re:Emulation and DMCA by spinkham · · Score: 1

      zsnes also has a linux port.
      http://www.snes9x.com/
      http://www.zsnes.com/

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    8. Re:Emulation and DMCA by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Some of the later capcom titles still have problems (Megaman X2 and X3, Street Fighter Alpha 2) because of the 'C3' custom graphics chip that noone has any info about. There's a kludge to make SFA2 play, but it's not really an emulation because it uses predumped graphics as it cant read the actual graphics from the 'rom'.

      Short of that, everything plays now. DSP and SuperFX emulation have been solid for awhile, but SuperFX requires some hefty CPU time, I doubt Super Mario RPG or Yoshi's Island plays very well on the GP32.

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    9. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of the NHL hockey games work.

    10. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Com2Kid · · Score: 4, Informative
      • How well does the emulation work? If there's any emulator for PC that emulates all the SNES games (or whichever kind) in existence, i've yet to hear about it.


      Zsnes

      and of course the sourceforge page for it.

      Ok ok granted there are like three SNES games it does not fully emulate.

      So freakin what.

      But for portability you REALLY want snes9x

      Unfortunately their provider is complaining to them about bandwidth usage, doh!

      Luckily you can still download the latest binaries and source from Zophar's Domain

      So, yah, the SNES has pretty much been owned by the EMU community. :) With brief periods of mad translation going on (followed by seemingly long fallow periods. . . .) a ton of the Japanese only games have come over to the SNES as well.

      • And does it have enough processing power to run the non-native code without any slowdown or such?


      I know the minimum requirements for most simpler SNES emulation are about a Pentium II 266mhz with 64 megs of RAM, the FPU seems to be rather important as I have heard of users with far faster K6-2s and K6-3s not being able to run very many games full speed.

      Of course platform specific optimizations should take those requirements down even further, and obviously it was a fairly long time ago when I was using those system specs, so all the additional speed encasements that have made their way into both SNES9x and ZSNES may have brought the requirements down a tad bit more.

      Reading around a bit seems to indicate that there ARE problems getting the SNES emulation on the GP32 up to full speed, and IIRC the GP32 does not have a dedicated graphics unit, making it unlikely to be able to ever accomplish all the nifty real time effects of the GBA or even the SNES.

      Then again, it does have that rather fast main CPU. :) Nintendo tends to love their tricked out dedicated co-processors, the GP32 is more of a general purpose machine (as can be seen by the MP3 players and even video players out for it).

      One must also take media costs into account though, Memory Cards are expensive!

      Then again, at least with the GP32 you have the CHOICE of being able to play MP3s and everything, with the GBA you end up having to buy third party accessories to get those same types of options.

      I am so tied to my desktop now days that (and this is a bit of a surprise given how much I used my original Game Boy and my Game Boy color 'back in the day') I do not even own a 'modern' portable gaming system. ^_^
    11. Re:Emulation and DMCA by ecchi_0 · · Score: 1

      In the latest version of ZSNES for windows (don't know about any other emus/platforms) Megaman X2 and X3 both work fine. That's true about SFA2 though (but the SNES version isn't that great anyway :P)

    12. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I knew there were issues with StarFox, but I thought that had been sorted out. Didn't know about the Capcom chip.

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    13. Re:Emulation and DMCA by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "I have heard of users with far faster K6-2s and K6-3s not being able to run very many games full speed."

      It'll be easier for the GP32, they won't have to do an expensive resizing operation because the display's only 320 by 240.

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    14. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Umm... you don't have to do that on a K6-2 or a K6-3, or any PC for that matter, either. You do realize you can get a 320x240 video mode on a PC, right? :)

    15. Re:Emulation and DMCA by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 1

      The only rom I know of that has problems is Star Ocean, but it's been awhile since I checked it out.

      Even the ones with special chips are supported by ZSNES (Capcom has a special chip, superFX chips, others?)

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    16. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Everlasting+God · · Score: 1

      Unless there's been a *lot* of progress since I stopped following ZSNES development, you can't play Star Ocean.

    17. Re:Emulation and DMCA by The+Other+White+Boy · · Score: 1

      there is, and you can. search google for DeJap and you should find your info.

    18. Re:Emulation and DMCA by ShadowDrake · · Score: 1

      Two things:

      1. 320x240 full screen at a 19" monitor, typical viewing distance == headache city.

      2. 320x240 window on same monitor running a 1024x768/1152x864/1280x1024 desktop == squint city.

      Pick one, pass the rest back.

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    19. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Everlasting+God · · Score: 1

      DeJap appears to be down (again), so I can't check this for myself. Is there actually a normal, playable rom of Star Ocean now, or is it still the hacked up version?

    20. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, the actual thing is totally runnable.

      The only thing you have to do has have a graphics pack from DeJap to run it in ZSNES. Works perfectly.

    21. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, if FPU speed is so important... i will try compiling this on my alphastation :)

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    22. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Wandering+Idiot · · Score: 1

      It's quite playable, although some of item names and such are still scrambled, at least in the version I downloaded a while ago. You can get the original Japanese rom from Cherryroms and the patch from Zophar's Domain I'm honestly not sure whether or not that's the most current version, but like you said, Dejap's down at the moment. Personally, I think it's worth downloading for the cheesy Star Trek rip-off in the intro alone...

    23. Re:Emulation and DMCA by lvdrproject · · Score: 1

      I'm totally going off on a tangent here, but i just thought i might like to express my immense dislike of ZSNES. I mean, it's got great compatibility, and the sound and graphics emulation is fairly excellent, but the interface SUCKS HORRIBLY. I don't understand why everyone loves it so much. I can't bear to use that program, the interface for it is so incredibly awkward. This is why i sacrifice a bit of speed, compatibility, and precision, and use SNES9x.

    24. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 1

      Star Ocean now works fine. It's even translated, though DeJap's page seems to be gone. So I'd say ZSNES is about 99.9999% compatible with the SNES, which is good enough for me.

    25. Re:Emulation and DMCA by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      Why would it be headache city.

      Blocky yes... headache no.

      I've never found a dos prompt or low res (full screen) screen on a PC to flicker - ever.

    26. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nintendo have yet to try and kill this - and its been out for 2 years. They might well do, but the stance of the manufacturers would make it a little difficult - about as hard as suing PC manufacturers to making chips that can emulate SNES or PSX would be; you go for the dev'rs instead, if they're going to do anything.

      The emulation itself works varied... TG16 emu is near-perfect, as is SMS/Gamegear. C64 and Plus/IV is pretty good (albeit without saving), ScummVM is fine, as is Sarien... Wolf 3d, Heretic... both good (if unfinished) along with doom (again, unfinished).
      Its only the things like SNES and GENESIS that are slow as yet, and they're gradually speeding up. One day it should be as compatible as, say, Snes9X - since that's what the snes emu is based on

    27. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Haeleth · · Score: 1

      "Dark Law: Meaning of Death" had a few fatal crashes in ZSNES last time I tried it...

    28. Re:Emulation and DMCA by rudiger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      how about i pick TV-Out, sitting on my couch, and playing w/ my gamepad?

    29. Re:Emulation and DMCA by ShadowDrake · · Score: 1

      > Why would it be headache city.

      My experience is playing a REAL NES on a 19" monitor, and for space constraints, I can't sit that much further away from the monitor than I usually do.

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    30. Re:Emulation and DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, apparently, you haven't been in the emulation "scene" long... There are emulators for the SNES (ZSNES), Nintendo 64 (Project64), NEOGEO (NeoRageX), NES (Nesten, Nester, LoopyNES, Nesticle), GBA (Boycott Advance, VisualBoy Advance), and more! The list goes on and isn't limited to what I've already said... Genesis, Commadore64, Atari, Sega Saturn, PSone.... blah, blah, blah....

  17. Excellent game titles by dpille · · Score: 5, Funny

    The game titles alone make me want to own it:
    Little Wizzrd
    Dyhard Infinity
    Kimchi-Man
    Astonishia Story R
    Her Knights - "Forcing break-out"
    Hany Party Game
    Tails of windyland

    Especially "Kimchi-Man". Is he really made of pickled cabbage?

    1. Re:Excellent game titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you sure it isn't "Astonishia Type R"?

    2. Re:Excellent game titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kimchi-Man isn't made of pickled cabbage, but he does eat a hell of a lot it. That's why the sequel to "Kimchi-Man" is the last one on your list.

    3. Re:Excellent game titles by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Kimchee isn't necessarily made from cabbage. I can't stand the cabbage kind, but I like zucchini and scallion kimchee.

      It also isn't what you probably think of when you think "pickled." It is traditionally coated with a pepper paste, sealed in masonry jars, buried, and allowed to ferment.

      It is really just this side of rotten.

      The bigger treat than eating kimchee is riding on a bus with thirty people who eat kimchee daily.

      But then, they insist that westerners smell like warm milk.

      -Peter

    4. Re:Excellent game titles by garcia · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Her Knights - "Forcing break-out"

      Sounds like a porn horror movie.

    5. Re:Excellent game titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for your off-topic, uninsightful, waste-of-time-and-electricity post, Peter. You have proven that indeed, you and people like you smell like warm milk.

      Now, to continue what you have started, a recipe for a delicious turkey pot pie:

      Turkey pot pie recipe

      Thanksgiving demands a glorious feast of succulent meat or poultry with piles of tender vegetables. This pie honors those brave souls.

      Serves 4

      INGREDIENTS:

      8 oz. thawed shortcrust pastry, rolled out to 1/4 inch thick
      1/3 cup turkey meat, diced
      1/3 cup crispy bacon, diced
      1/3 cup water chestnuts, shelled and diced
      1/3 cup cranberry sauce, pureed
      1 garlic clove, crushed
      1 tbsp. butter
      1 large mashed sweet potato
      1/3 cup mangetout
      1/3 cup French beans, chopped
      1/3 cup Cheddar cheese, grated
      1 cup fresh garden herbs (parsley, rosemary and chives), finely chopped
      1 egg
      1 tbsp. butter
      1/3 cup cream
      1 cup mashed potatoes
      1 egg, beaten

      METHOD:

      Preheat oven to 400 F (200 C). Half pastry and line a pie dish. Reserve the remaining pastry for the lid. Set aside.

      Combine turkey, bacon and nuts. In a separate bowl combine garlic, butter and sweet potato mash. Combine cheese, parsley, rosemary, chives, egg, butter, cream and mashed potatoes.

      Using thirds, layer ingredients as follows: meat and nuts, cranberry puree, sweet potatoes, mangetout and French beans and creamed potatoes. Repeat until finished. Be sure that mixture completely fills all the space.

      Moisten edges of pie shell with half the beaten egg. Put on pastry lid and crimp edges to seal.

      Using remaining egg, brush lid to glaze. Bake for 45 minutes or until golden. Serve hot with a light salad and soft rolls.

      Translating the ingredients to Korean for easy shopping in the cultural wasteland that is South Korea is left as an exercise for the reader. Bon appetit!

    6. Re:Excellent game titles by jjsoh · · Score: 1

      Good lookout. You are correct about the references to the kimchee fermentation process, instead of "pickling" (well, in the sense that Westerners are more accustomed to).

      Depending on the type of vegetable used for kimchee (and you didn't mention one of my favorites veg used: korean radish), sometimes, I like it when it's just made.

      As for rotten, well, hopefully you'll have eaten it before it got that bad. Then again, if it gets left out too long in the fermentation process, you can make excellent tasting kimchee jigae (with SPAM [please note the CAPS], naturally)! ^_^

    7. Re:Excellent game titles by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      Motherfucker! gotta wait 60 seconds before posting,.. and it was a long post too :(

      Anyhow

      Kimchee is fantastic stuff as is Korean food in general, dare I say I think (at least in Melbourne, .AU) that the Korean resteraunts here might have some of the best flavours of all the asian resteraunts around by far...

      Anyhow - it's great stuff, but for the love of jebus, take some gum or something - Korean tastes good but the breath afterwards is evil.

    8. Re:Excellent game titles by hyphz · · Score: 1

      Shame most of them aren't very good. I have several of them.

      Dyhard Infinity (full title "Dyhard With Infinite Stairs") seems to be about jumping a little guy up some platforms and not falling off the bottom of the screen. Think Icy Tower.

      Her Knights Forcing Break Out was marketed with the name "All For Princess Deadline" and is a Final Fight game that's way too hard because many enemies kill you in one hit.

      Little Wizard is a fighting game that would actually be pretty cool if it ran at more than 6 frames a second.

      Personally, I tend to use mine for playing C64 games. A bit of Iridis Alpha on the train doesn't hurt a bit. And before you say it, the game company doesn't object - they've been giving their ROMs away for years.

  18. New on Slashdot! by Psykechan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The GP32 has been out for well over a year now. I wouldn't hold your breath for a US release though.

    The next time this makes the /. front page, you might want to include the standard legal emu disclaimer. Support legal emulation! Only emulate those games that you own.

    1. Re:New on Slashdot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wouldn't have been new on slashdot either, if my story about it last year hadn't been rejected in typical stupid /. fashion

      but it's actually been featured in other /. stories - and it has been pointed out many times that it is actually not as powerful as people like to claim, what with its poor graphics hardware

    2. Re:New on Slashdot! by bogie · · Score: 1

      "Support legal emulation! Only emulate those games that you own."

      Why bother? Most people who are into roms pirates them anyway. Oh sure there's a tiny part who only emulates games they own, but let's not insult people's intelligence. The vast majority pirate them.

      That's like talking about how great MP3's and P2P is while at the same time trying to lamely claim your one of .000001% that never downloads music you don't already own.

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    3. Re:New on Slashdot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of the ROMs people pirate for things like MAME, unlike most MP3 traders 'warez' are things that aren't available commercially anymore. It is a lot harder to say that artists (or even corporations) are being harmed when someone pirates, say the ROM for a 1980's arcade machine than when someone pirates a new release CD...

      Not that it is legally any different, but that is part of the problem with the current laws. There are just a lot of realities that aren't reflected very well in them, and most of the current legislative push will make things worse rather than better.

    4. Re:New on Slashdot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, I'm totally legit.

      I'm heavy into the C64 emulation scene. The only games I play are the ones I warezed fifteen years ago.

  19. I stand dumbfounded. by ArchMagus · · Score: 1

    If it is as wonderful as it is played up to be in the article, I am shocked I've not heard more about this before. Why would anyone buy a GBA when you could get this thing (an obviously superior piece of equipment) for not that much more cash?

    1. Re:I stand dumbfounded. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      because it's from a small Korean company with no global presence.

      It costs as much as it does because they make their money off the hardware sales, thus there is a very active homebrew comunity.

    2. Re:I stand dumbfounded. by Cheesy+Fool · · Score: 1

      Looking at the specs it only appears to emulate the GB and GBC not the GBA.

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    3. Re:I stand dumbfounded. by shepd · · Score: 1

      Because unlike the GBA-SP, this has a headphone jack. A necessity for such a unit.

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  20. Excuse me? by Cutriss · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nowhere in that list does it say "Game Boy Advance" or "GBA". Considering that it lists the Game Boy separately from the Game Boy Color, I think it's a bit presumptuous to say that it supports GBA games just because you see that category there.

    So, seeing as how it does not actually support GBA games, I don't find it superior to my GBA, which *does* play GBA games.

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    1. Re:Excuse me? by stratjakt · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      No you didnt read the submitter correctly.

      It's the typical free-as-in-im-not-paying attitude.

      Here's how to read it.

      "Emulates games for $SYSTEM" = YOU DONT PAY FOR THEM.

      Just like

      "Has OGG support" = YOU DONT PAY FOR MUSIC

      or

      "Has DivX support" = YOU DONT PAY FOR MOVIES.

      See? It's all about piracy, err, excuse me YOUR RIGHTS ONLINE. But noone will ever admit it.

      They'll give you the standard "I only legally emulate games I buy" horse crap. But who buys GBA games if they dont own a GBA, just out of some sort of moral obligation to do so?

      BTW, all you budding l33t 0-d4y-r0mz kiddies, you can emulate the GBA on your PC if free games is all you're after.

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    2. Re:Excuse me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, *you* didn't read it correctly. There *is* no GBA emulator for the GP32 yet. So you can l33ch your r0mz all day long, and they'll sit on your computer. They aren't doing anything on the GBA but taking up space.

    3. Re:Excuse me? by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      LOL, I was thinking the same thing. How can it be "superior in every way" when it doesn't even play GBA games. Never thought we would have to tell submitters to RTFA :)

    4. Re:Excuse me? by irritating+environme · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it emulates the SNES, I think the performance specs of the GBA is about as powerful as a SNES, and with a similar architecture, which is why the emulators came out so fast for it, and so many SNES games are being ported to it

      But, I could find no hard specs or architecture to back this up, so it is admittedly conjecture

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    5. Re:Excuse me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Never thought we would have to tell submitters to RTFA :)"

      What? Haven't you been reading slashdot for the past six months?

    6. Re:Excuse me? by edrugtrader · · Score: 4, Informative

      it plays GBA games. i own one.

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    7. Re:Excuse me? by extrarice · · Score: 1

      [quote]
      If it emulates the SNES, I think the performance specs of the GBA is about as powerful as a SNES,
      [/quote]

      Actually, the GBA is more powerful than the SNES. A buddy of mine is a GBA developer, and he's constantly amazed by what the little guy can do.

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    8. Re:Excuse me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it does not play GBA games. i own one.

    9. Re:Excuse me? by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 1

      It does not play GBA games. It plays Gameboy Games, and to limited extent, Gameboy Color Games. There is an entire world of difference.

      While I will give credit to the GP32 for being a nice machine, I will definately say I have seen no proof that the machine is actually THAT much superior to the GBA, and it's main real advantages come from having a vast amount more memory.

      The GP32 prides itself on being an opened platform to develope for, and that's a good thing. Yet, if you take a look at the homebrew dev scene on the GBA, you will see that it appears quite some degree more active than the GP32 ( See for yourself. )

      Taking a look at PD roms available from just one good source you see that the GP32 has 115 while the GBA has a whopping 521. That's not counting GB/GBC roms as well (302).

      Given that the GP32's strong point is the opened developement that it relies on, even that advantage doesn't weigh in well when you consider that the scene is much larger on the GBA.

      The GBA also has a much stronger commercial following, and a whole slew of other advantages (GC connectivity, lower price, and easier availability, etc) it isn't so easy in the end to say that the GP32 is "superior" to the GBA.

      A great machine, yes, but not a GBA killer. Not by far.

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    10. Re:Excuse me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP32 has an ARM9 clocked at 133MHz.

      AGB has an ARM7TDMI clocked at 16.67MHz.

    11. Re:Excuse me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not yet (its a private released emu only). I own one too (Tobriand, on GP32 Xtreme if you want to quibble).

    12. Re:Excuse me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GBA has a sophisticated, dedicated graphics effects engine.

      GP32 has nothing of the sort.

      Or were you one of those guys using PCs instead of Amigas for video work 15 years ago?

    13. Re:Excuse me? by edrugtrader · · Score: 1

      exactlly... who do you think is testing the emu? of course i also own a GBA and GBA SP and all the link crap, as well as code my own GBA and GB32 games. i'm knee deep in this crap.

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  21. Ogg by Den_onda_kotten · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I won't buy it unless it plays ogg!

    1. Re:Ogg by J.+T.+MacLeod · · Score: 1

      And it does!

      Install Linux, play yer oggs.

    2. Re:Ogg by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1
  22. YES by shepd · · Score: 1

    >What's next? Slashdot posts stories about warez releases?

    Old news. Sort of.

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  23. Will it also wash my dishes? by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, yeah, OT.
    meh

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  24. Always beautiful translated manual copy by Featureless · · Score: 4, Funny
    "GP32 uses radio signals to communicate through solid barriers such as a building (unlike infrared signals that require an unobstructed line of sight to make a connection), you can play games even when your lovely puppy is standing in front of you wagging his tail, blocking your view."

    :)

    1. Re:Always beautiful translated manual copy by SoCalChris · · Score: 1

      This needs to be submitted to Engrish.com.

      The quote in question can be found at http://www.gamepark.co.kr/tmp_english/GP32/func.as p

      It definately looks like a super happy mega game playing type device to me.

    2. Re:Always beautiful translated manual copy by jjsoh · · Score: 1

      This needs to be submitted to Engrish.com

      Why? I find it grammatically correct, though a bit odd in the reference to the tail-wagging puppy.

      Sorry for being nitpicky, but the purpose of engrish.com is to poke fun at what people or companies put up on display to pass off as normal English as a means of design, rather than function (i.e. to look "cool" and/or more "contemporary," rather than trying to communicate/translate).

      Not for trying to be humorous, which, in this case, I think they were aiming for.

    3. Re:Always beautiful translated manual copy by blowhole · · Score: 1

      But how do you play the game AND eat your lovely puppy at the same time?

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    4. Re:Always beautiful translated manual copy by radd0 · · Score: 1


      (from http://engrish.gamepark.com/)
      I personally can't wait to "Sign Up to be GP32 Mania!"

      -r

    5. Re:Always beautiful translated manual copy by stuffman64 · · Score: 1
      GP32 offers total gaming experience, with its mixture of globally appealing humor, addicive game-play and a myriad of game modes and options.
      Of course, when I buy a portable videogame system, the first thing I consider is its globally appealing humor. Next, I consider if my friends think it is cool when I play it on my smorking break.
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    6. Re:Always beautiful translated manual copy by Chemical · · Score: 1
      I got this translation of the RF features by running the Koren page (http://www.gamepark.co.kr/gp32zone/feature.asp) through Babelfish:

      With the radio communication which is stabilized (obstacle or it shakes it does not woo) it is 1, ~4 the person li el the water supply shoes will do a time data in one group and it will be able to embody a network game only the bay it knows there is a possibility of enjoying the game whose 4 groups are different each. ¦ Superior proof of the short distance radio data communication technique which does not write the base country.

      I've got to wonder how Babelfish comes up with these Koren translations. "Water supply shoes"?

  25. Whoo Hoo!! by Wynns · · Score: 4, Funny


    Slap a cell phone into this thing and I'm ready to sign up!

    1. Re:Whoo Hoo!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..or just get a SE P800. Beats this thing in almost every way. (except for control) ;-)

    2. Re:Whoo Hoo!! by mzo23 · · Score: 1

      Not sure of the exact specs but maybe what you want is a Nokia N-Gage then ;)

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    3. Re:Whoo Hoo!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there is a cellphone/gp32 combo unit in the works from gamepark, its supposed to be launched this year

    4. Re:Whoo Hoo!! by The+J+Kid · · Score: 1

      But could you live without OGG support?

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  26. I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Viewsonic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Everyone I know who has bought one thinks it was a waste of money so far. It sounds great on paper but the unit is very cheaply made, and emulation is sub par. Not to mention it's total piracy. Wonder why Slashdot posted a blatant piracy article?

    1. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by SlightlyMadman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, I certainly appreciate the information on the construction quality, but your piracy comment is a bit out of line. IANAL, but I believe emulators are legal. Posessing a ROM for a cartridge you own, as a backup, is legal. Posessing a ROM for a cartridge you don't own is illegal.

      A perfectly legitimate use for this unit would be consolidation. Say I own a Game Boy and a NES. I could get the ROMs for all of my carts, and put them on this thing, so I'd only have to carry around the one unit, but still play all of my games that I legally purchased.

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    2. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by nomadic · · Score: 1

      That's what emulator sites like to say, but to be honest there isn't really a definite law on this. A physical device that performs the same function as another, patented device may in fact be illegal.

    3. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by unicron · · Score: 1, Troll

      Um, that arguement is flawed and constantly brought up time and time again on /.

      The company has to take some responsiblity knowing that 99.9% of the people that buy this our going to do illegal things with it. If I stand out on the corner in south-central LA and give away hunting rifles, I'm DEFINATELY contributing to murders. No way in hell "but hunting isn't illegal!" is flying with anyone.

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    4. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      Patented, yes... but nobody claimed patent infringement here.

      We don't need a dfinite law: I purchased a SNES cartridge. I can now do whatever the heck I want with it, including fry it in the microwave, sell it, rip it apart, re-use the parts in my toy robot, or extract the digital information out of it.

      The only IP law involved is copyright, which says that hte data on the thing is copyrighted, and that limits what I can do with it... I can't make copies and sell them, etc.

      This isnt'a grey area thing... I can do what I want with hardware I own.

      The only exception to this rule is the DMCA

    5. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      >> Posessing a ROM for a cartridge you own, as a backup, is legal. Posessing a ROM for a cartridge you don't own is illegal.

      Not so. There is a 'masked rom' protection for catridges that makes a hex dump of a ROM not a backup in the legal sense. Basically it boils down to a chip being a device, and not a pi

      This is why SNES/Genesis/GBA copiers are and have always been illegal for sale in the US.

      You can argue it should be legal, but it isnt.

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    6. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Threni · · Score: 1

      "The company has to take some responsiblity knowing that 99.9% of the people that buy this our going to do illegal things with it."

      No they don't - neither morally nor legally.

    7. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by swtaarrs · · Score: 1

      Posessing a ROM for a cartridge you own, as a backup, is legal.

      Like others have said, that's what the emulator sites tell you; it's just not true!
      Exact quote from the back of one of my GBA game manuals:

      WARNING: Copying of any Nintendo game is illegal and is stricly prohibited by domestic and international copyright laws. "Back-up" or "archival" copies are not authorized and are not necessary to protect your software. Violators will be prosecuted.

      There you have it.

    8. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      Posessing a ROM for a cartridge you own, as a backup, is legal. Posessing a ROM for a cartridge you don't own is illegal.

      You are correct. I bet there is some legalesse that states it is illegal to use that ROM on anything but the intended system though. Owning a ROM then d/ling it to your computer would be legal. Playing it with an emulator on your computer would then be illegal.

    9. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by swb · · Score: 1

      I like the not necessary part. Does that mean they'll replace them for free if lost, stolen or damaged?

    10. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Rayonic · · Score: 1

      You bring up a good point, Unicron, however I feel that Copyright Infringement is several degrees of severity lower than Murder.

      A similar argument could be made further up the ladder -- that the government allows you to buy guns, but doesn't let anyone have their own atom bomb. I mean, what gives? They both kill people.

    11. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by koh-der · · Score: 1

      crappy product or not, technically gamepark (manufacturers) are not involved in the piracy from what i can tell. The emulator is not written by the company but rather by an independent developer.

      if a snes emulator ran on mac, is apple responsible for it?

      but then again i could be wrong here....

    12. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "If I stand out on the corner in south-central LA and give away hunting rifles, I'm DEFINATELY contributing to murders."

      Doubtful.

      1.) Rifles are easier to get than handguns. For example, you can purchase one at 16 vs. 21 for handguns. Despite that, there aren't very many murders by hunting rifles.

      2.) People aren't stupid. They don't buy guns then run around shooting other people. There are lots of people with guns that aren't murdering people.

      3.) The manufacturer of a gun involved in a murder cannot be held responsible for what somebody elects to do with it.

      "Um, that arguement is flawed and constantly brought up time and time again on /."

      It's not flawed. It's perfectly justified. The GP32 is a general purpose machine with optimizations made for gaming. It has games being made specifically for it. If the popular use for it is playing emulated games for it, that's fine because people can do that legally. The company who manufactures the device has no responsibility to prevent that from happening. Realistically it can't. How can it be a general purpose machine if you put inhibitors on it to thwart emulation? That'd be like trying to make a gun that can't shoot when it's pointed at somebody.

      In any case, I don't agree with you. The argument is quite valid and is well supported by the law. We have VCRs and cassette recorders and a slew of other devices that have likely spent a good deal of time violating copyrights. The court says they're okay, so why's this different?

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    13. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by swtaarrs · · Score: 1

      Another quote:

      If a defect occurs during the three (3) month warranty period, Nintendo or a NINTENDO AUTHORIZED REPAIR CENTER will repair the defective product, free of charge

      So it doesn't cover loss or theft, but it covers (limited) damage. :-)

    14. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, cause the best source to ask if you can legally make a copy of a piece of IP instead of paying for a second copy is ALWAYS the IP owner!

    15. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "A perfectly legitimate use for this unit would be consolidation."

      Slightly OT, but consolidation's the reason a friend of mine has downloaded a huge collection of MP3s. He got sick of messing around with his 100-disc changer. Pity the RIAA would rather inconvenience the people that enjoy their music the most.

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    16. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      Hunting rifles are rarely used to commit crimes because they're big and can't be concealed like handguns. Still, even handguns have legitimate uses like sport target shooting (pistol shooting is an Olympic event). If you run a legit gun store and run the usual background checks on customers, the contribution to murders and gun violence is minimal.

    17. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by GuruJ · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but just because a company says something is illegal doesn't automatically make it so.

      Think all the legal wrangling we've have over 'shrink-wrap' licensing agreements.

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    18. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by mzo23 · · Score: 1

      "2.) People aren't stupid." I'm afraid i'm going to have to respectfully disagree there good sir. The rest however, i'm not going to touch.

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    19. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by garcia · · Score: 1

      how was this modded up? You are insane.

      My computer is a device that can be mostly used for piracy!!! How could you possibly sell computers! You insensitive bastage!

    20. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by abiogenesis · · Score: 1

      Why didn't your friend ripped his CDs instead?

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    21. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by unicron · · Score: 1

      Your computer wasn't invented specifically to do illegal things. This was. And the funniest shit is you actually believe them when they claim otherwise. It was used to play roms, end of story. Anything else they say is a marketing technique developed so they could legally sell them.

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    22. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I stand out on the corner in south-central LA and give away hunting rifles, I'm DEFINATELY contributing to murders

      What??? So what you're saying is that by giving out licenses to drive, the state is responsible for all DUIs?

      Or that giving away sets of kitchen knives, instead of hunting rifles, is _DEFINITELY_ causing more murders? How about giving away baseball bats causing more assualts and property damage?

      You probably want to use the argument that "99.9% of the people that buy" baseball bats or whatever don't use them for illegal purposes. Okay, then try this: A large percentage of people that use MP3 files are doing so illegally (they don't own the original). So I guess we should ban MP3's, right? But then there's Vorbis, so we'd better ban all audio compression. Right?

      This isn't even radical extrapolation from your stance. I haven't made a slippery slope, this is a direct application of your principle.

      Never mind the fact that audio compression has a great many legitimate uses, any company that deals with audio compression ought to be held resonsible for subsequent copyright infringement. What sort of reasoning is that?

    23. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 1
      The company has to take some responsiblity knowing that 99.9% of the people that buy this our going to do illegal things with it.

      And what exactly is their responsibility? Especially if that 0.1% really appreciates the legal uses? Perhaps many emulator users are just interested in piracy, but I'm happy that I can again play old Lucasarts games that I've purchased over the years. I love my Dreamcast, but I know that it will eventually wear out and I'm glad that I'll be able to use emulators to continue enjoying the games I'm purchased for it.

      If the developer genuinely wants its product used in a legal and ethical way, and there are customers who want the product to use in a legal and ethical way, the existance of people who would use it illegally is irrelevant, no matter if there is just one such person or a million. It's a free country (well, it used to be), demanding that I stop doing something that is legal and that I feel is ethical is an insult to that freedom. Insisting that the developer spent time and money to add "features" that complicate the product and remove options is just stupid.

    24. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      gp32 makers are endorsing piracy just as much microsoft is, or sharp is with it's zaurus, or apple is. they're selling a system that _you_ can code for.

      the thing is that gp32 is way much more (amateur) developer friendly than what gba is, thus lot's of different(emu&other) projects are underway. as i see it you don't need anything 'extra' to get into developing for it, where as you need to have a flash-cart and flasher for gba, and lots of patience(it's being done anyways.. primitive 3d and all).

      emulating older systems(and homebrewing) is of course bad news for publishing houses that just thought that they'll do fast remix versions of older games and cash in(for example, many classic series of games are pretty trivial to code well enough to be fun, just about anyone with (some) time could code beefed up version of boulderdash, bomberman or others.. and have fun doing it). like, omg(!!!!!!!!!) they'll (publishers) have to come up with new game ideas!

      just bought a dreamcast about a month ago because of all the cool homebrewed stuff(and the fact that it's cheap, dead consoles rule).

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    25. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Why didn't your friend ripped his CDs instead? "

      Probably because with Kazaa you can just fire in the band names and highlight + click the songs you want to come down, as opposed to getting all the CD's out, ripping them, then loading them back in.

      At least that's my guess, I never asked him. I haven't talked to him in over a year.

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    26. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you ever actually seen one? Held one? Played one?

      Mine is better built than my son's GBA. The games rock. My son prefers the GP32 to his GBA. He's nine and a hard core gamer, so his opinion matters.

    27. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by asscroft · · Score: 1

      While I'll admit that the company probably will profit based on people who will buy it and then obtain stolen roms to play on it, it's incorrect to suggest that they can't make and sell such a device because some people will do such a thing. Your argument is totally absurd. That's like holding the soda straw manufacturers guilty because people use them to snort cocaine. Or holding the digital camera manufacturers responsible because child-pornographers prefer digital cameras. Or better yet, holding a CD Player guilty because someone will play CDs that were shoplifted. Hell, OJ killed his wife with kitchen knives, should we outlaw kitchen knives. 911 - box cutters. Should we outlaw box cutters? Woman drove car with children into ocean. Outlaw driving? or outlaw cars? or outlaw access to oceans? Get a grip on reality. The only person responsible for piracy are the pirates. Piracy is already illegal. We don't need to bad legitimate devices to make it "more illegal". Likewise, murder is already illegal. Murderers don't care if it's "more illegal" to do so with a banned weapon.

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    28. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by dabootsie · · Score: 1

      You'd get arrested because you don't have government approval to sell/give out (or even carry) the rifles on a street corner. Not because people are going to run around shooting each other with them (they won't).

      This is ignoring the fact that murder is so far beyond copyright infringement in severity that it should not even be used as a basis for comparison.

      Um, that arguement is flawed

      Pot, meet kettle.

    29. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by unicron · · Score: 1

      You misseed my point, like everyone else on here. From the absolute beginning, this product was created to play pirated roms. The company knew they could turn a profit with a product like that. It has ALWAYS been the major, primary purpose of the product. 99% of the people that use this purchased it to play pirated games. .001% of people that use straws sniff blow with them. See the difference?

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    30. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by aardwolf64 · · Score: 1

      COPYRIGHT laws deal with the right to copy. On a cartridge game, you do not have the right to make a copy (even a backup.) Besides, backups aren't used so that you can play a game somewhere else. The sole acceptable purpose for a backup of software is so that the original can be restored if it becomes corrupted. Remind me again how playing your GBA games on a black market emulator fits into that statement?

    31. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Slashdot+Insider · · Score: 1

      Like any other thing you own, if you lose it, you better have insurance. As for damage, that's not likely unless you decide to toss it into an open fireplace. These cartridges are tough and can go through washer cycles and still work perfectly.

    32. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, in the US there is a special 'mask' copyright which protects the layout of a chip. Meaning you're not allowed to take a photograph of a chip under a microscope and then duplicate the exact wiring pattern in your own chip.

      None of this has anything to do with reading the rom data.

    33. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how do you come to the conclusion that this device is illegal, but a computer isn't? This is a handheld game system and you can BUY games for it from the company. What more do you want??

      Is it because it's not from a big name company like Nintendo or Sega? Are you that brainwashed by the corporations to believe anything that isn't mainstream must be illegal?

    34. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by muffen · · Score: 1

      ...I'm DEFINATELY contributing to murders

      ... because everyone that has a hunting-rifle will use it to shoot people??

      I agree with you that the primary use for this seems to be to play illegally copied games. However, it doesn't mean that everyone will use it for that reason. I actually thought of getting one, just cause my NES is broken, and I have like 30 games for it. I would love to play a little SMB and Ice Climber again!! Playing it on the PC just doesn't feel right :(

      The company has to take some responsiblity knowing that 99.9% of the people that buy this our going to do illegal things with it.

      Going back to your rifles... if you sell them (legally), you should be well aware of the fact that one of them could potentially be used to kill another person.
      If you can sell rifles or guns knowing this, and if a company can produce them knowing this (not to mention pay a lot of people to influence the government), why do you belive this product should be stopped? Why should we stop the production of this product and not all product that are morally wrong?

      You argument is the argument RIAA used against Napster...

      Sorry for ranting on like this, but then again, I'm sitting with my laptop VPN'ed into work at a quarter past midnight, just finishing my fourth beer on a thursday evening :/

    35. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by ShadowDrake · · Score: 1

      >Remind me again how playing your GBA games on a >black market emulator fits into that statement?

      A reasonably close example can come from my experience with my NES. The cartridges are getting old. The machine is getting old. Sooner or later, one or both will fail. Emulation comes into play there.

      BTW, I thought it was actually commonplace at one point to USE the backup everyday, and keep the originals in a safe place. Back when floppy drives were all the rage.

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    36. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by shdragon · · Score: 1

      Yes, however most money in the U.S. has traces of illegal drugs on them. Does that mean that paper money should be illegal? By your logic it would be. Directly though, I am against companies, or anyone for that matter, making money off of emulators. They should be created and used b/c people have a genuine desire to run stuff they no longer can. I use RockNES for the simple pleasures of great old games like contra and mike tyson's punch out.

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    37. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Besides, backups aren't used so that you can play a game somewhere else.

      Backups do not have to be used on the original device. Look at music CD's for evidence of this. If I make a legal backup of an audio CD which I purchased, I am not required to only play this disk in my home cd player.

      I feel that cartridges contain software. It should be legal to play them on any device which is capable of playing them. If I bought a GBA game from the store, but do not own a GBA console, can i attach a cartridge reader to my PC and play the game with an emulator? I do not see why I should not be allowed to do this.

      If I download the ROM and play it with an emulator, and I never bought anything, its clearly illegal.

    38. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by coupland · · Score: 1

      Here's another legal use:

      I happen to collect games and own many GBC and SNES games, but not a console. If I ever want to play those games I can buy a GP32 instead of needing to buy both a GBA and SNES. Or I can play my SNES games on a PC emulator. I also own hundreds of PC games in the shrink-wrap with receipts but I usually download a copy so I don't need to open the pristine box. Legal all around.

    39. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      3.) The manufacturer of a gun involved in a murder cannot be held responsible for what somebody elects to do with it.

      Explain why courts have, over and over again, upheld lawsuits against gun manufacturers alleging that they have some amount of liability for gun-related deaths.

      I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying the law as it currently exists in many jurisdictions allows such questions to be raised in the courts.

    40. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been reading this thread, and it seems you are losing this battle.

      Maybe if you keep repeating your arguments over and over, people will just give up and agree with you.

      I like the gun selling argument. Keep using that one. Though, you lost points on the straw-sniffing argument.

    41. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      Your computer wasn't invented specifically to do illegal things.

      You mean like execute IBM BIOS functions without having a licensed IBM BIOS chip???

      (Yes, I know that's not illegal, but aren't the circumstances surrounding gaming hardware emulation pretty much the same as the circumstances of reverse-engineering the BIOS?)

    42. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      From the absolute beginning, this product was created to play pirated roms.

      Prove it.

      You can't, and neither can anyone who tries to prosecute the manufacturers.

      When "everyone else" is missing your point, it probably means that your point doesn't have any merit to begin with...

    43. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      I bet there is some legalesse that states it is illegal to use that ROM on anything but the intended system though.

      Nintendo's lawyers don't decide what is illegal. Lawmakers and courts do.

      Time-shifting and format-shifting are both legitimate cases where copyright law permits a user to make a copy of a work.

    44. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Informative

      On a cartridge game, you do not have the right to make a copy (even a backup.)

      bzzzzt.

      The sole acceptable purpose for a backup of software is so that the original can be restored if it becomes corrupted.

      bzzzzt.

      You know, your arguments would be more credible if you were actually familiar with any of the law you're attempting to interpret.

    45. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by SlightlyMadman · · Score: 1

      BTW, I thought it was actually commonplace at one point to USE the backup everyday, and keep the originals in a safe place. Back when floppy drives were all the rage.

      Yeah, I remember buying games on 5.25" floppies, and the manual would clearly state that you should never play the game directly from the disk, but from a copy of the disk. I guess the argument is that CDs are less fragile, so this is no longer valid. I disagree, as I scratch & break CDs all the time.

      Those code wheels were also a much more entertaining copy prevention device than the DMCA.

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    46. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by elite+lamer · · Score: 1

      I've had mine for quite a while and I like it. Just how many people do you know have bought a GP32? It's not exactly common to find people with them. Mine doesn't feel cheaply made...and what do you mean, "total piracy"; there are commercial games from Gamepark and various third parties available. You can buy a GP32 and use it solely to play commercial games, without ever downloading and installing an emulator.

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    47. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by elite+lamer · · Score: 1

      When it was developed, there was not a single emulator for it. You seem to be missing this point. Amateur developers ported emulators to GP32; the company that manufactures GP32s (Gamepark) had nothing to do with that. Therefore, "this" (GP32) was clearly not invented specifically do do illegal things.

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    48. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by asscroft · · Score: 1

      I don't think I missed your point. I think your point is limited, wrong, and leads us to a dangerous way of looking at things. Hear me out.

      See, I got your point:
      quote:
      While I'll admit that the company probably will profit based on people who will buy it and then obtain stolen roms to play on it, it's incorrect to suggest that they can't make and sell such a device because some people will do such a thing. :end quote

      never the less, as others have mentioned unless we can prove that thier intention was to profit from illegal uses, it doesn't matter how many people percentage wise use it illegally or not. They aren't the ones breaking the law.

      If it can be used legally, than the fact that it can be used illegally is not worthwhile.
      Likewise, whether it is used legally or illegally, and by what percentage of users, not what percentage of times, is not of legal concern to the developer...UNLESS they planned for illegal use and plan to benefit from illegal usage.

      You'd have to find evidence that they planned for illegal use as their primary use. Just because you think that's the "major, primary use of the product" doesn't mean that they do. And unless you can show intent, it's not a crime to produce something that others use illegally.

      Even if 99.9% of people that used straws sniffed blow with 99.9% of the straws used, unless I as a straw manufactured counted on that and planned for that I wouldn't be guilty of any crime.

      It's a technicality, sure, but it's a very important one. If we started interpreting intent of one person based on the actions of others we'd be wronging the first person.

      In this case we can't hold the manufacturer of the device guily of piracy simply because users of the device committ piracy to aid their use of the device. We can only punish the pirates for piracy. And that's already illegal. That case is covered.

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    49. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to be honest there isn't really a definite law on this.

      Except Sony v. Connectix.

    50. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by ParnBR · · Score: 1

      Physical device?

      You mean, like a computer?

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    51. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by bigmattana · · Score: 1
      WARNING: Copying of any Nintendo game is illegal and is stricly prohibited by domestic and international copyright laws. "Back-up" or "archival" copies are not authorized and are not necessary to protect your software. Violators will be prosecuted.

      This reminds me of an incident in which I was mistakenly under the impression that you could install each copy of Windows XP on 1 desktop as well as 1 laptop. When I called Microsoft to activate it, they informed me that this was only the case with Office XP. I asked the the lady why this was the case, and she replied, "Because its illegal." I then preceded to tell her that this should have been clear on the box, and how she shouldn't even be talking about what is illegal considering she works for Microsoft. Corporations have this idea that they can tell you what to do and automatically that is the law.

      If you pay for the physical cartridge/package/cd, then why do these compainies try to say that it is "illegal" to sell them used, as if they are on the list of controlled substances. If you are really paying for the right (for you personally) to own the and use the code, then making as many personal copies as you want should be perfectly legal, as long as you don't distribute them.

      If companies had more respect for consumers, most consumers would have more respect for them, and the the whole piracy thing would be less of an issue.

    52. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Because as we all know, it`s not morally wrong if it has big money backing it, or its not harming those with big money.
      The side with the most money will usually get their way.
      Large corporations dont care if you shoot a few people, and gun companies want to continue selling guns. People don`t matter.
      However a product that could potentially hurt sales for a large influential company, well that`s a whole different matter.

      It truly is a corrupt world we live in. Corporate dictatorship, atleast with saddam you have a single target to assassinate.

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    53. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Mitchell+Mebane · · Score: 1

      1) The term is ROM image, not ROM. A ROM is a microchip.

      2) According to Nintendo (the bastards), ROM Images are illegal even IF you own the original cartridge. Here's what they have to say:

      Can I Download a Nintendo ROM from the Internet if I Already Own the Authentic Game?

      There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.


      Even though that makes no sense. Are they saying carts are indestructible? Hell, I'm gonna keep on using zSNES and Project 64. They can sue me if they want.

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    54. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where have these courts upheld lawsuits against gun manufacturers alleging that they have some amount of liability for gun-related deaths?

      Last time I checked, every single one of those suits was thrown out. It's like claiming that everytime somebody is run over by a car, it's a car manufacturer's fault...

    55. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      Lets assume for a second that a EULA is a binding contract. When you buy the game you agree to that EULA, and wouldn't contract law then state you must follow what you agreed to?

      I guess you could argue fair use, but I read in a recent /. story that Apple has in their OSX EULA that it can only be used on Apple hardware. It seems that Apple has also successfully defended this part of their EULA before. How would Nintendo stating that gameboy roms can only be used on allowed hardware be different?

    56. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by mdwebster · · Score: 1

      It's not, but they haven't. There is no click-through license on install (since there's no install) or 10-page EULA (the game would have to be sealed for this to work (break this seal signifies acceptance of EULA...)) in any console game that I've ever seen or purchased.

      And you don't agree to a EULA at the time of purchase. It's during the install when you click 'I agree' or when you break the seal on an internal package when the EULA is printed for you to read external to that package (a la a set of Lotus AmiPro disks I have sitting around here).

    57. Re:I'll pass. It really flimsy and stinks. by Windcatcher · · Score: 1

      You sound like Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-SC). The guy who wants general-purpose computers banned because they can be used to commit piracy. The guy who says computer manufacturers need to "take responsibility" for the piracy that's going on by putting DRM technology in everything they manufacture. Excuse me, but my liberal alarm is now flashing red. People need to take responsibility for THEIR OWN actions, not for the actions of others.

  27. Not illeagle... by somethingwicked · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hardware emulation isn't illeagle. No honest to god it isn't

    Honest to goodness, that's good to hear...I mean, we had a parakeet when I was a kid, and it got sick once and it was pretty bad the mess it made.

    But a sick eagle?!! THEY ARE HUGE! And with their diet, you would have mice carcasses and such everywhere, it would be a bloody disgusting mess, honest to god

    *grin*

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    1. Re:Not illeagle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a childhood friend of mine had a parakeet. it died trying to lay an egg.

    2. Re:Not illeagle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      must have been a male one.

    3. Re:Not illeagle... by agentkhaki · · Score: 1

      Thank you. That made my day, as sad as that sounds.

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    4. Re:Not illeagle... by PegLegPete · · Score: 1

      Is that the most serious case of post partum depression you've ever heard of or what? Certainly in an ill-eagle...

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  28. No, it's not... not quite. by Viqsi · · Score: 1

    There is no Gameboy Advance emulator for this thing as far as I can tell. There's Game Boy Color and original Game Boy, but no Game Boy Advance.

    So, you *could* play LoZ4: Link's Awakening on this thing, but not the recent LoZ3 remake. (Although the SNES emulation could sort of cover that, too... :) )

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    1. Re:No, it's not... not quite. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the new GBA remake is pretty cool when you link it up with Windwaker on the GCN. The person with the GBA can control a second playable character, tingle.

      The GBA game also includes a pretty cool gamelink title called the 'four swords'. Multiplayer Zelda... too cool.

      I've played a link to the past a zillion times on the SNES, and didn't think Nintendo could ever convince me to buy it again, but they did. Tons of value added to the GBA version.

  29. Possible operating system for the device? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Slashdot reported about a graphical operating system for various small systems (Gameboy, Commodore, NES) a while ago, which perhaps could be used on this device as well? It had a TCP/IP stack, web browser, web server, etc: here is the Slashdot article, and here is the OS homepage.

    1. Re:Possible operating system for the device? by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Interesting idea as a hack, but not really much of a point. The OS you mention is designed to run on 8-bit machines, most of which had less than 100K of ram in them.

      This thing on the other hand, is a 32-bit risc processor with 8mb or ram.

      Slight difference :)

      Note the talk about linux being ported to it. There's no need for a tiny OS like there is on a Commodore 64.

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    2. Re:Possible operating system for the device? by adri · · Score: 1

      Yes there is..

      Because you can.

  30. That's not funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, REALLY it isn't funny!

    Why are you still laughing?

  31. 2 Buttons? by SlightlyMadman · · Score: 1

    I think you might have a little bit of trouble with the SNES emulation, with only 2 buttons.

    A portable NES emulator is still pretty cool, though. It'd be nice to be able to crank up Mike Tyson's Punch Out to alleviate a little bit of aggression when sitting in a traffic jam.

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    1. Re:2 Buttons? by Kenja · · Score: 1

      Good thing its got four buttons then. The other two are on the top endge where your index finger rests.

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    2. Re:2 Buttons? by Sancho · · Score: 1

      And SNES controllers actually had 6 buttons, 8 if you count Select and Start.

    3. Re:2 Buttons? by PunchMonkey · · Score: 1

      Good thing its got four buttons then. The other two are on the top endge where your index finger rests.

      Now, if only it had 6 buttons, which is how many the SNES controllers really have (A,B,X,Y,L,R), 8 if you include select and start, which many games make active use of too.

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    4. Re:2 Buttons? by SlightlyMadman · · Score: 1

      Good thing its got four buttons then. The other two are on the top endge where your index finger rests.

      So it does. I should have RTFA'd a little closer. My point still stands, though, as the SNES controller has 6 buttons. I suppose you could map the L&R buttons to the other 2 buttons on the front of the SNES controller (I think they were X&Y, but I'm not positive), but that would make for a really awkward layout for most games. Also, you still wouldn't have the L&R buttons on the SNES controller, which are occasionally used.

      So, yeah, it's better than 2, and might work for some games, but it would be a lot better if there were 2 more buttons.

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    5. Re:2 Buttons? by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      A portable NES emulator is still pretty cool, though. It'd be nice to be able to crank up Mike Tyson's Punch Out to alleviate a little bit of aggression when sitting in a traffic jam

      So it's a portable NES you want, is it?

      Pick up one of those (and dont forget a JAP->US adapter while you're at it). I got one, and it's really pretty damn cool for a 'bootleg' famicom.

      (aside)PunchOut is one of those screwy titles to emulate. There are weird glitches with it in pretty much every emu I've used (/aside)

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    6. Re:2 Buttons? by !splut · · Score: 1

      Really, GP32 has 4 buttons, counting the L and R.

      Which is still too few, as the SNES controller has 6 buttons counting the L and R, 8 buttons if you count Start and Select, 9 if you include the direction pad, 12 if you list each major direction separately, and 19 if you throw in several buttons that it doesn't actually have.

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    7. Re:2 Buttons? by SlightlyMadman · · Score: 1

      You bastard! Not only do you build up my hopes of getting a portable NES, only to let me down when I see that there's only 1000 of these in existence, but you follow it up by letting me know that I won't even be able to play one of my favorite games on an emulator?

      What's next? Are you going to shoot one of my cats?

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  32. Not worth it. by ultor · · Score: 1

    The thing has sucky games, doesn't emulate at full speed, and don't forget the ethical implications of downloading and using roms illegally. Not to mention that the screen won't have the correct aspect ratio to emulate half these systems without some method of scaling/bilinear interpolation to make it ugly/fuzzy. I saw this awhile ago and it obviously didn't impress me. I think the biggest turnoff is a lack of decent first-party games. I mean, look at what a lack of games did to the XBox. If you want an obscure handheld, try the defunct Wonderswan color.

    1. Re:Not worth it. by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      >> try the defunct Wonderswan color

      Nah, Neo Geo Pocket Color. What games that exist for it are pretty cool (Sonic Pocket, Samurai Showdowns and other fighters) and actually in english. I love mine.

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    2. Re:Not worth it. by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      The GP32 has working WSC and Neo Geo pocket emulators.

    3. Re:Not worth it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The way they designed it was great. Instead of a lame dpad you basicly had a stick like control.

      IMHO that made it the best system for fighters. You could actully pull the moves off on that thing.

    4. Re:Not worth it. by elite+lamer · · Score: 1

      If you want an obscure handheld, try the defunct Wonderswan color.

      There is a pretty good WonderSwan Color emulator available for GP32, plus, since GP32's WSC emulator uses ROMs instead of carts, the games can be patched to English.

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    5. Re:Not worth it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but the click on the ngpc stick was so damn annoying that i smashed mine against my wife's head. they both died instantly.

      and all those fighter games were superdeformed garbage.

      fuck neogeo pocket and wonderswan.

  33. SMR and such by DanThe1Man · · Score: 1

    They say that it can play divx movies, but who wants to split up a 700 meg movie onto 128meg smart media cards? I want someone to port that low quality SMR movies that are downloaded of Kazza. Maybe someone from slashdot could do that.

    1. Re:SMR and such by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.pdatweaks.com/howto.php?itemid=6

      I used this method works like a champ, spiderman at 120 megs ;)

    2. Re:SMR and such by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      I use the "Future Tense" episode of Enterprise to show off my GP32 at work. It is pretty watchable. 42 minutes of video and sound at about 50MB, not too shabby.

  34. Re:2 Buttons, NES emulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >A portable NES emulator is still pretty cool, though

    There's already NES emulators for the GBA, and you only need a special link cable for it (the emulators and games use the GBA's multi-boot capability)

  35. This is temporary Website by Merlin42 · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else notice that in the lower left hand corner of every page on the GP32 site it says "This is temporary Website". What exactly does that mean ... is this thing going away, or are they going to upgrade to a better site eventually?

    1. Re:This is temporary Website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the English web page is temporary, or at least a bit out of date. If you can read it, the Korean page looks a lot better.

    2. Re:This is temporary Website by Zero3K · · Score: 1

      It means that they are going to upgrade to a better site eventually...

  36. Why not use an iPAQ? by ciryon · · Score: 1

    iPAQ + Familiar Linux dist and you can run SNES games and even Quake. :)

    But, ok it's a bit more expensive.

    Ciryon

    1. Re:Why not use an iPAQ? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, a "bit"... as in 2-4x more expensive. Besides, there's something exciting about coding for raw hardware. :)

    2. Re:Why not use an iPAQ? by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      I had an iPaq running Linux. The GP32 is so much better at snes it's not even funny. The GBC emulator is WAY better too.

    3. Re:Why not use an iPAQ? by umai · · Score: 1

      An iPAQ doesnt have a decent microswitch joystick and 6 buttons easily in reach. This is in my eyes a must for a decent gaming session. Also some PDAs have problems when you press several buttons at once, they cant recognize "chording".

  37. transflective benefits by E.+T.+Alveron · · Score: 1

    no backlight necessary if you play outdoors in the natural light. get some sun!

    1. Re:transflective benefits by JebusIsLord · · Score: 1

      Ahh Slashdot... where peoples' idea of enjoying the outdoors consists of playing gameboy in the sunlight :) I love you guys, seriously :)

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    2. Re:transflective benefits by arose · · Score: 1

      At least someone loves me...

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    3. Re:transflective benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as you're not black, gay, or an arab, I love you too...

    4. Re:transflective benefits by Piquan · · Score: 1

      If I'm outdoors, I'm not on my GBA. I'm climbing something, or diving, or walking, or something more active.

      If I'm playing my GBA, it's because I'm on a flight (I generally fly at night), or waiting for a meeting to start, or waiting for a compile to complete.

      When I can choose my location, I've got better things to do than play a scrolly with bad art and gaming ideas that haven't evolved since 1992.

  38. You knew it was coming... by MoeMoe · · Score: 1, Funny

    I don't have any thumbs you insensitive clod!

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  39. Lighting by Iffy+Bonzoolie · · Score: 1

    What I want to know is: what's the lighting situation on the reflective LCD display? Is it at least of Afterburner quality? All the pictures of it have the screen off.

    -If

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    1. Re:Lighting by wing03 · · Score: 1

      It's alright

      Not really the best.

      But it does play well in daylight.

    2. Re:Lighting by rattboi · · Score: 1

      The lighting situation is....there is no internal light. Sorry. Um, there SHOULD be a kit very soon (within 2 months). It is said to be very high quality, although I don't know that much about it, as I don't really care :) Here's a link to a movie in WMF format.

    3. Re:Lighting by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OK, side by side, my son's GBA and my GP32, both with Doom running, same scene.

      The GP32 has a much bigger screen. It is clearer and brighter. Maybe as much as twice as bright.

      The afterburner style light for the GP32 due out this month will be nice, but not needed nearly as bad as the GBA needs one.

    4. Re:Lighting by PeDRoRist · · Score: 1

      The Front Light Unit (or FLU) for GP32 is to be released on the 10 of April (6 days from now, yaï! ;)
      It will be possible from that day on to buy pre-modded GP32's.

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  40. OK, this i actually find unethical. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I have defended the whole idea of emulators for years now, on the basis that they don't defraud the game companies of any revenue they have a real right to. Whoo, i can download a SNES emulator, and nintendo has the lost sale on, um.. that used SNES that i was going to buy on ebay.. hmm.

    Alternately, yeah, people use, say, playstation emulators as a method of not having to buy a playstation and being able to pirate games, even though playstation is still on the market, and that seems a bit more like a moral gray area, but i'd still call the emulator itself an okay thing, i think. I mean, playstations are everywhere cheap used, and sony makes the bulk of the money on the licensing of the playstation games that a psx emulator will invariably caus eyou to buy. And the piracy thing is just like people pirating mp3s, if they really want to pirate something they'll do it whether you indirectly facilitate them or not.

    At the least, i have this thing about piracy of any sort: in general, i have a real trouble feeling bad in any way about someone illegally giving you something for free when they don't particularly profit in return, whether that something is an NES or Mum - Smell Memory.mp3.

    But this just feels ucky. It:
    • Is basing its existence on the hard work nintendo spent making games, pushing the game boy platform, creating the platform, etc.
    • It's copying a platform that Nintendo is still making money on
    • Is causing its creators to make money in place of Nintendo-- they are literally taking money from nintendo and putting it in their own pocket, something very different from a "lost sale".
    • It's copying a platform that Nintendo is still pushing money into, still doing active research and development on, still improving...
    • There is no functionality the GB provides that this doesn't-- a GBA emulator for a PC wouldn't be so bad in my mind because you're enticed to buy a GBA but you don't get the full value of the GBA, since you don't get the handheldness-portable-y features. This is a full-on copy.
    • It's stealing from a company that is legitimately facing some sort of problems; unlike, say, Sony, or Nintendo in 1993, it is concievable that the nintendo of today could eventually run out of money.
    • The Game Boy is nintendo's lifeblood. It's where the bulk of nintendo's money is coming from. I love my gamecube, but nintendo's right to call themselves a major player in the game market rests on (1) the fact they have a lock on the portable handheld market through nothing but sheer quality, meaning that anyone who wants to compete has to deal not only with market forces but with the fact it's very hard to make something more compelling to the consumer than a GBA, and (2) the fact they can point at that big figure of how many game boys they've sold and say to developers "look at how successful this is, you will do well if you release your game on our platform". Each purchase of this GBA clone is sucking away one unit from that big number, and just a bit more money from nintendo's warchest..
    --super ugly ultraman
    1. Re:OK, this i actually find unethical. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you check the sites at all? It can't emulate the GBA, it barely does the color. This is just as bad as a GBA emu on an IPAQ.

    2. Re:OK, this i actually find unethical. by Rubyflame · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Emulation isn't a gray area at all, IMO, if you only emulate games you legitimately own. For example, in the case of the Playstation, if you run an emulator on your PC and use actual game discs, you are not hurting Sony at all. Consoles are typically sold at a loss, and this loss is recouped through game sales. So if you emulate, they're actually making more money.

      Of course, the companies probably don't see it quite this way. First of all there's a loss of control involved. If you only emulate legitimately, they're not harmed, but of course this isn't the reality of the situation. The other issue is that they don't want people to play their old games. They want people to go out and buy new games. Consoles tend to break eventually, but with emulation there'll always be hardware to run the old games, and if you've already got plenty of old games you're less likely to go out and buy whatever's being released now.

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    3. Re:OK, this i actually find unethical. by be-fan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In fact, there is a very legitimate reason to emulate playstation games. Games that have significant amounts of 3D can look very good, because current emulators can run them at very high resolutions with full texture filtering and everything. For me, epsxe has given my PSX gaming library a whole new life, on my (Linux!) laptop :)

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    4. Re:OK, this i actually find unethical. by kotfu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wait a minute.

      s/Game Boy/Good Product/g

      There is a Good Product out there. Somebody decides that they can make a compatible product for less. They try. Their first attempts are inexpensive, but not 100% compatible. Owners of the Good Product say "It's worth it for you to pay us big money, because it's worth it to be 100% compatible". Somebody else finally makes a 100% compatible product. Owners of Good Product have competition. Competition spurs innovation. Prices drop. This is a Good Thing.

      s/Good Product/IBM PC/g

      Because this happened to IBM, the personal computing industry was born. Aren't you glad this is the Way Stuff Works(tm)?

    5. Re:OK, this i actually find unethical. by Cryptnotic · · Score: 1

      Each human life has the same worth.

      That statement is completely ridiculous. Some people are just better than others and therefore worth more.

      I'm all in favor of armies not killing each other, but to think that each and every life is of equal value is as silly as the idea that all ideas or opinions are of equal importance or that all cultures are deserving of equal respect.

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    6. Re:OK, this i actually find unethical. by be-fan · · Score: 1

      Dude. This isn't mathematics. You know perfectly well that I mean "An Iraqi has inherently as much worth as an American, and one dying isn't any better than the other." But the latter doesn't fit in 120 chars, so I tried to shorten it, and assumed that people would have enough of a grasp of the language to figure it out...

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    7. Re:OK, this i actually find unethical. by danrees · · Score: 1

      So are you saying that an American who has shot 20 people (or however many) with a sniper rifle in Virginia has the same right to life as an Iraqi who has had his leg blown off by a land mine? You simply can't generalise like that.

    8. Re:OK, this i actually find unethical. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The GBA emulator is currently in development - if you did your research then you would know this.
      I've seen it, it does decent for a C build. I believe the author is converting it to ASM, so look out.

    9. Re:OK, this i actually find unethical. by be-fan · · Score: 1

      I'm not generalizing. In my sig, the context of the second sentence is derived from the first. We're not talking about serial killers here. We're talking about people dying in a war. The vast majority of people that die in a war do not deserve it. An American soldier, who is killing because his government told him to is no different from an Iraqi soldier, who is killing because his government told him to. They majority of both are not evil, they are simply pawns in a game run by people so much larger than themselves. And the thousands of Iraqi civilians that will die in the war (and that's by the conservative estimates of the DOD) are no less important than the thousands of American civilians that died during 9/11.

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  41. Catch ! by mnmn · · Score: 1

    The catch is that it does NOT play GBA games.

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    1. Re:Catch ! by geordie · · Score: 1

      Hell, There's a PC Engine emulator for it, that keeps me happy :o) Gunhed and Victory Run here I come!

  42. Re:As this is from the world's scummiest country.. by Frnknstn · · Score: 1

    You are aware this is from SOUTH Korea, not North Korea?

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  43. Or not by cow_licker · · Score: 1

    If by GBA you mean Gameboy and Gameboy Color then yes it does. Nice try though.

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  44. Troll - It's not piracy if you own the game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It all fit in the subject line. Nothing else to say.

  45. Supremeulator? by worst_name_ever · · Score: 1

    No thanks, I'll just have a slice of Cheeseulator.

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  46. Gosh! by dark-br · · Score: 1

    12 links on a story! Now I see why my submitions are never aproved ;)

  47. There are emulators available, BUT by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Informative

    they're just simple ports of available open source emulators. just because it runs doesnt mean it runs well, and certainly doesnt mean its playable. Paying for a GP32 for emulation is like those doofuses who keep buying DC, PS2 and XBOX emulators for the PC.

    I doubt very highly that GBA emulation works well at all on the GP32. GBA emus are just barely playable on an 800mhz P3. Eventually it'd get better, but even the best emulator is never the same as the real thing.

    All in all its a cool little toy, but if you actually want to play the games you'd own both.

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    1. Re:There are emulators available, BUT by phorm · · Score: 1

      like those doofuses who keep buying DC, PS2 and XBOX emulators for the PC.

      It's all a matter of coding. I had some very nice emu's for the playstation. They're still working on them in fact... and one does very much appreciate the "instant save" "instant load" features that many EMUs have. Not to mention that many of the 3d graphics look 10x better on my PC video card... though the scaled 2d sometimes isn't wonderful. If they could get all the FX, then games such as RPG's etc (FF9 played through on an emu) would rock!

      I own a PS2, but if a decent PS2 emulator came out for a reasonable cost, I'd probably buy into that too. Of course... no decent emulation for PS2 that I've seen yet, but I'd imagine it will come in the future (probably when PS3 is out)

    2. Re:There are emulators available, BUT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I own a PS2, but if a decent PS2 emulator came out for a reasonable cost, I'd probably buy into that too. Of course... no decent emulation for PS2 that I've seen yet, but I'd imagine it will come in the future (probably when PS3 is out)

      I doubt it...PCs just don't have the bandwidth....the archetecture of the PS2 is so totaly different, that you'd get horrible slowdowns even on the fastest PC.

      The CPU emulation would probably be do-able, but trying to shove the data around from subsystem to subsystem via a PC's narrow little busses would be the problem.

    3. Re:There are emulators available, BUT by elite+lamer · · Score: 1

      Some emulators for GP32 are near-perfect. Not all of them, of course, but take the Gameboy Color emulator for example. Full speed, sound, and saving; what more could you want?

      GBA emus are just barely playable on an 800mhz P3.

      Are you kidding? Using my 400mhz P2 with a Voodoo3, I can emulate GBA games perfectly. Why don't you try out VisualBoy Advance (emulator) before you make statements like that?

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    4. Re:There are emulators available, BUT by ndnet · · Score: 1

      Um, I'm sorry, but that's a bit off. On my Celeron 566, when it only had a voodoo 3 and 128MB ram, both GBA and PSX games (that I own legally, my brothers own the systems and I maintain backups) ran beautifully. After some more upgrades (384MB ram, GF2MXPCI64MB, WinXP) it's sweet.

      Now, while this system may not have all that hardware, it also isn't dealing with windows. Also, there need not be repeated compatibility fixes (if the code works on a GP32, it'll work on any GP32). So while I'm not saying it's probable, it's possible.

      If anything, only having 8MB (or Mb?) of RAM would be the real limit, unless an emulator that ran the rom straight of the SM card could be made, but in that case SmartMedia becomes a roadblock to deal with. As for emulators never being as good as the real thing, I gotta disagree. It may seem cheap, but the ability to save states and bigger/better/higher res screens always are nice, and on a PC controllers are cheap and often rumble or are wireless.

    5. Re:There are emulators available, BUT by Des+Herriott · · Score: 1
      I doubt very highly that GBA emulation works well at all on the GP32. GBA emus are just barely playable on an 800mhz P3. Eventually it'd get better, but even the best emulator is never the same as the real thing.

      There's one big difference you've neglected to mention: both the GBA and GP32 are using ARM processors, so theoretically, the GP32 could run GBA code natively. Not sure how feasible it would be in practice, but a GBA "emulator" may be more along the lines of WINE, where the API's are emulated, not the entire CPU.

  48. Oops. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that i've posted, i see this comment. That changes things utterly. I'm not sure how i feel about it now, but that definitely changes things.

    The thing that drives me nuts about slashdot is that if you start writing a comment when there are 0 posts, by the time you're finished there will be 60 to 100 posts already if your post has any thought put into it, unless your post just makes one single targeted point. Blah.

    --super ugly ultraman

    1. Re:Oops. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another thing is that are you sure Nintendo aren't *making* money on this?

      The reasons people have put forward for the code signing on the XBox (apart from preventing game cheating) has been because they make a loss on the console, and get a cut of the games sold. If the same was the case for the GBA (if the GP32 did indeed emulate it), then as long as people bought the games, Nintendo would be making money on the games *and* not losing money on the Gameboy's.

      Just my 2pee

  49. No Backlight. by jetkust · · Score: 1

    And I also believe it doesn't support the afterburner type lights for the gba. Not having decent lighting is the main reason why my game boy advance sits in a bag collecting dust instead of being used for anything useful.

    1. Re:No Backlight. by octover · · Score: 1

      Get the SP. I have played my Advance games so much more since I got it. Castlevania is finally playable at times other than high noon. Or as you said, get an afterburner, I've heard that they are pretty good as long as you have (or know someone) with good soldering skills.

    2. Re:No Backlight. by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      Unless you play in the dark, the GP32 doesn't really need a light. I don't know how they did it, but the screen is much brighter than the GBA.

      There is an afterburner type light coming out this month for the GP32, though.

  50. English version of the web site by TaraByte · · Score: 1
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  51. DUPLICATE WHINER - IF YOUD QUIT SUCKING COCK etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one cares.

  52. This isn't news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The GP32 system has been out since 2001.

  53. C64 emulation?? by Garion911 · · Score: 1



    Mmmmm.... Portable M.U.L.E..... /me wonders how they emulate the keyboard? Or since it seems to have USB, you plug the keyboard into it?

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    1. Re:C64 emulation?? by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      There is an on screen keyboard built into frodo port. It works, but using the buttons works much better.

      GPfrodo also has a menu system that makes loading d64 and t64 images much easier.

  54. The Logo is also a copy.... by Andonyx · · Score: 1

    Anyone else notice their logo is a slightly altered Dreamcast logo?

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    1. Re:The Logo is also a copy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      did anyone notice the dreamcast logo is a slightly altered Cinnabon logo? I don't think so!

  55. Superiority? by Gudlyf · · Score: 1
    "superior to the GBA in every way."

    One of the things that grabbed me about the GBA-SP was it's smallish design and the clamshell design, allowing you to easily put it in your pocket and keep the screen protected.

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  56. Re:Cool emulator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trying to troll, eh? YOU FAILED IT!!!! Why don't you go back to making love to your linux machine, since thats all that you could possibly be good for. You're probably asking yourself, did this coward read the article? Hell no I didn't read the article. I come from the flames, I stay for the trolls. If not for crappy posts and, for that matter, crappy stories slashdot would be more of a wasteland than it already is!

  57. MAME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it have a MAME port?

    1. Re:MAME by wing03 · · Score: 1

      Not quite. But check out Xcade.

      http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/gp32.html

      It's not MAME but it's a start.

    2. Re:MAME by FauxReal · · Score: 1

      Thats too bad... But I can play MAME on my HP Photosmart 618 digital camera. :) http://digita.mame.net/

    3. Re:MAME by umai · · Score: 1

      Mame 0.66 is being ported by rlyeh, as seen on http://elportal2000.metropoliglobal.com/gp32/ . It currently runs pooyan and 1942 well, but without sound yet. So just wait a little and you will be able to play the older coin ops for sure.

  58. Not a flawed argument. by zipwow · · Score: 1

    Hunting isn't illegal. Gun shops in those areas are not illegal either. Anecdotal proof:

    Los Angeles Gun Club Indoor Pistol,1375 E 6th St., Los Angeles, CA 90021. Phone: (213)612-0931.

    listed on :

    http://www.webcom.com/gun_guy/rangesca.htm

    Determining intent in a purchase is extremely difficult, and generally doesn't get you anywhere. The "if guns are illegal, only criminals will have guns" argument is at least plausible. Making emulators illegal will guarantee that only criminals have emulators, obviously harming the market.

    Don't agree? Consider every CD ripper being illegal. Isn't that a harm?

    -Zipwow

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    1. Re:Not a flawed argument. by unicron · · Score: 1

      No, every CD ripper shouldn't be an illegal thing. But you've got your head in the sand on this one. You know full damn well the primary purpose of this product will be to play illegally-downloaded roms. Regardless of what the company says, or whatever the falsely altruistic people claim, EVERYONE knows this product will primarily be used illegally. Don't kid yourself on that. You're talking what could or should, I'm speaking of what is.

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    2. Re:Not a flawed argument. by zipwow · · Score: 1

      You've got no concept of the idea of "chilling effect" and "slippery slope".

      The primary purpose of CD rippers is to pirate music as well, so by your argument, these too should be illegal. There isn't any difference.

      Many products are primarily used illegally, but the cost of the chilling effect on the economy of making those things illegal is too great. That's why selling VHS filters is legal, selling copied tapes isn't.

      One could argue that a multimedia PC with a large harddrive with a DVD player and high-speed CD burner's primary purpose is illegal. Even if you buy this product with the full intent of breaking the law, you're not guilty until you've actually, get this, broken the law

      Think of the harm that policing products on 'intent' would do. What PC configurations are 'malicous'? What about combinations of hardware purchases? What are the fines for this? How do I prove intent in court? What are the opportunities for harassment? With this sort of approach, it doesn't seem like it would be difficult to show that any given person might be doing something illegal. (He bought a crowbar and a big sack! Get him!)

      How do you stop this? Bust the people providing ROMs. They are breaking the law, and do deserve to go to jail or be fined.

      There are cases of products that have *no* legal use (cable descramblers), and even in this case, it is legal to sell the plans, and even to construct the product. It is not legal to use or sell it. This protection exists so that electronics enthusiasts and engineers can continue to freely discuss ideas, without having to worry that even though they didn't break the law, they could be construed to be "intending" to break the law. Nevermind that "how does cable scrambling work" is a very legitimate question if you're an engineer working on encryption, probably as an example of what *not* to do.

      Have you read the arguments against the DMCA? These describe very well the problems that trying to police this "thoughcrime" introduce.

      -Zipwow

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    3. Re:Not a flawed argument. by Wolfier · · Score: 1

      > You know full damn well

      This is the flaw of your argument. In the court of law, you cannot say "I know what you think" unless you ACTUALLY have provable psychic abilities.

      > EVERYONE knows

      I don't think this has a leg to stand on, either.

    4. Re:Not a flawed argument. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      In the court of law, you cannot say "I know what you think"

      No, but you can propose that any reasonable person would come to a certain conclusion. That happens all the time.

    5. Re:Not a flawed argument. by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Lets see... I OWN an NES, I own a C-64, I own a broken SNES and a bunch of games, also I have a stockpile of GB/C games but not GBC/GBA...

      This is a godsend. Being that my NES is to big (and lacking a screen) to be portable, ditto on the C-64. I own game carts for the other system, but time has taken the actual systems from me.

      So this is VERY nice. I can play FFI, and MULE (C-64 version better than NES), and Zelda (I, II, and III! oh my!)....

      No piracy. Pure legit.

      Either I am .001% of the pop, according to you, or their are PEOPLE WITH DEAD SYSTEMS AND GAMES... Or people who don't want to carry a C-64, and drive wherever they go, they be heavy.

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  59. Old news... by LeoDV · · Score: 1

    Not to toot my own horn, but I knew about the GP32 long ago. They've been selling it on Lik Sang for a while now.

    The site is great because they offer all kinds of unusual gaming-oriented Asian stuff and, like TG it's always a blast to go there and check out the weird/interesting stuff they have to offer. I know I sound like an advertising bot, but it's a really great site (you may have heard of them because they got their ass sued to the moon by MS a little while ago for selling X-Box modchips).

  60. I'm still looking for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A way to play GBA games off a secure digital card. I've been wanting to develop games for the GBA but I don't want to shell out the extra $200 to get a linker kit that's good for nothing else. I'd rather just use a 256 mb secure digital card that I can use on my mp3 player, my camera, and to transfer files. And yeah, I know 256MB is overkill since a gba carts are currently 256mbit, but those mp3's take up a lot of space ;)

  61. Korea is "bringing it" by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

    Actually,Korea is making alot of cool stuff lately. Check out the Linux distro Hancom from Korea too, it's a company which employs 95 ppl and produces some bitchin' proprietary software to compliment their os.

  62. A cheaper solution to IR Inventory tracking? by mrmeval · · Score: 1


    Are there minimal PDA's handheld, maybe the core of this game, that could be made to wireless network and also have the capability to IR Scan.

    Indestructability is a must of course and running
    linux or something with a java VM would be a plus.

    I'd prefer a bright display solution. The boxes I've seen are hideous and dark a lot of the users keep flashlight around to view them. I say damn the battery life they can hire someone to keep'em charged.

    As cheap as this is, it'd be cool if something like it'd work, but I'd probably have to settle for something a bit heftier. But a game console would be super nice for some of the people in the warehouse, they could do much more than the rather braindead machines they have now.

    If I knew I could get linux on that little beastie I go ahead and buy it, heck I should anyway it looks cool.

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  63. This does NOT have a lit display! by kraemer · · Score: 0


    People this thing does NOT have a lit display so its just as hard to look at as the original Game Boy Advanced. Save your eyesight and get a GBA with afterburner or the new backlit GBA!!!!

    1. Re:This does NOT have a lit display! by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      The display is MUCH brighter than a GBA. I don't know how Gamepark did it, but it is bright.

      An afterburner type light is due out this month for the GP32.

  64. It dosent emit light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe where it says
    "Display 3.5" Reflective TFT LCD(65,536 concurrent colors)" means it dosent emit light thus defeating the main purpose of GBA SP. I bought the original GBA and theres no way I'm buying another unit that's display dosent emit light

  65. backlit? by smeg168 · · Score: 1

    It also says nothing about the screen being backlit just reflective tft like the origanal GBA which sucks ass, especially if you were to try to watch movies on it.

  66. clarifications in order.. by edoug · · Score: 1

    the link shown does NOT indicate GBA emulator, only GB also (as noted here it also is not backlit.... cool toy, but not as feature rich as the post suggests....

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  67. Re:2 Buttons, NES emulation by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

    Err... you don't *need* a link cable. It can take advantage of one for multiple players, but PocketNES runs quite nicely stand-alone.

  68. Contributory Infringement is real by Tom7 · · Score: 1

    I don't think they do in this case, since it obviously has some legit uses (they are developing their own games for it), but the US code has laws against such stuff. If you "with knowledge of the infringing activity, induce, cause, or materially contribute to the infringing conduct of another," then you are guilty of contributory infringement. If in fact they know that most people are buying this in order to play pirate roms, then it's pretty likely that they would be in legal trouble. (That is, if they were based in the US!)

    1. Re:Contributory Infringement is real by Threni · · Score: 1

      Fortunately i`m better at coding VB and C than dealing with legal issues, otherwise i`d be out of a job. But I understand that that sort of law is geared towards stopping people deliberately break the law. Otherwise you could stop people from selling debuggers. Are PC games still cracked with NuMega's WinIce program? Of course, they aren't breaking the law. Its an excellent product for debugging device drivers.

  69. Gamepark emmulator great for old arcade games by wing03 · · Score: 1

    The lighting is alright. It could be better (IMO). Controls are pretty decent.

    A friend of mine who wrote Xcade for Palm has ported it to the Game Park.

    Of course, standard disclaimer is that you have to have obtained your arcade ROMs legally...etc...

    http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/gp32.html

  70. This thing has 4 buttons by rblancarte · · Score: 1

    Not including the start and select.

    RonB

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  71. For the love of god... by Zenki · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't buy it from upstategames.com. If you bother to check with BBB and tons of forums (eg. a lot of people who ordered the Flash Linker fot Neo Geo Pocket from upstategames), you'll probably end up with $179 out of your pocket, your pants down, and your @$$ reamed with Dimitri's fist.

    If you must order a unit, then order one through lik-sang.com. At least, that's what http://www.devrs.com says.

    1. Re:For the love of god... by skintigh2 · · Score: 1

      Never buy anything online without checking resellerratings.com. Half the sellers on pricewatch are scam artists, and the BBB is usually a waste of time.

      Wow, upstate Games has a "perfect" 0.00 rating:
      http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2804 .html

    2. Re:For the love of god... by Destoo · · Score: 1

      Order one through lik-sang...

      Site does not work.
      either it's down for maintenance, slashdotted or just doesn't exist anymore and ms/nintento/sony won another battle.

      Damnit.. just when I had the money to buy that GBA cable dumper thingie... I hope they're back up soon!

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    3. Re:For the love of god... by Brandon+Sheffield · · Score: 1

      best place to buy GP32 is Play-Asia.com, they're very reliable and prompt. I've purchased one GP32, and several games from them, and it's always a pleasant experience.

  72. For those wondering by dirkdidit · · Score: 1

    GP32Emu is an excellent resource for Gamepark Emulation.

    That site mentions several SNES emulators as well as GB (no GBA, yet) and NES. Plus the site lists a few of the game ports for GP such as Doom, Descent, Wolfenstein 3D and some others. Worth a look for people who are interested in what these things can do.

  73. one other advantage over *any* nintendo product... by BrazenChippie · · Score: 3, Informative

    is that they encourge unlicensed 3rd party development, where nintendo does their best to squash independent coders.

    http://www.devrs.com/gp32/
    http://devkitadv.sou rceforge.net/index.html
    http://groups.yahoo.com/g roup/gp32dev/

    i'm thinking of picking one up explicitly for this purpose. anyone have any experience coding for one of these?

  74. Use a laptop instead! by neildiamond · · Score: 1

    If you want portable emulation, get a laptop. Then you can play whatever wherever. Hey you wouldn't even need to emulate. There are plenty of good PC games. Okay they don't fit in your pocket, but hey. ;)

  75. Emulators by the_danielsan · · Score: 1

    Here's an overview of emulators and how they perform:

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/joseph.lebrech/emulat ors.html

    It appears that only the 8-Bit consoles can be emulated well.

  76. No, backup copies are legal. by Tom7 · · Score: 1

    Well, I wouldn't take what Nintendo says as legal advice. Note how they are careful to say that "back-up" copies are not "authorized" or "necessary," but don't claim that they are illegal.

    In fact, the US Code (17 USC 117 (a) (2)) has specific exemptions for backup copies. Check it out. Backup copies are legal!

    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html

  77. The article's also wrong about GBA emulation. by dabootsie · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to the GP32 Xtreme site linked as source for the emulators, there's no GBA emulator for the GP32. It can currently emulate the Gameboy/Gameboy Color and even the SNES... but not the GBA.

  78. Afterburner by jafuser · · Score: 1

    Coincidentally enough, I just installed an Afterburner in my GBA last night... I even went out and bought a soldiering iron just for it.

    It doesn't take any really advanced solidering skills, but patience and a steady hand will go a long way. I did get some dust on the screen, but it's not the end of the world. I considered the "bathroom as a clean room" idea, but I didn't have anywhere to work with it in there =)

    The only difficult part I had was in laying down the AR film, as it was nearly impossible to get right, and I wound up being off by about 1-2 degrees, so there's a slight tilt to it, which bugs me, but I'm not sure I want to bother to try to buy a relacement, peel it off and do it again... it would probably do more harm than good.

    I'm quite happy with my GBA now. It finally makes the games playable, and I was surprised that my NiMH batteries were still giving a green power light even after six hours when I finally had to turn it off so I would get some sleep for work today =)

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  79. Mod parent up! by dabootsie · · Score: 1

    He's dead-on, and provides the proof to boot.

    If you want to know what's legal and what isn't, you read legislation or obtain professional legal advice. Simply believing everything you're told, especially by a company that's financially motivated to mislead you, is just foolish.

  80. This isn't a cheap GBA + more option by GweeDo · · Score: 1

    To use this as a replacement for a GBA you need more hardware than just the GP32. You also will need a GBA cart reader. This will get you a ROM image to run on the GP32....well this is where the law gets sticky. Technically you aren't allowed to run an official GBA ROM on anything but a GBA, so if you do this...be warned...it is illegal. Also, do note that the control scheme is different than a GBA, so you won't be playing your games the way you were meant too. And then there is the fact that it appears the GP32 is going to be phased out (not a suprise since the GBA has walked all over it).

    1. Re:This isn't a cheap GBA + more option by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you get your information.

      First of all, playing GBA ROMs on a PC, Mac, cell phone or GP32 is illegal (unless you own the cartridge). Duh.

      You can download GBA (and SNES and NES and...) ROMs off Kazaa, or so I'm told.

      You are right about the controls being different. The GBA is far superior. The D-pad on the GBA sucks. If anything, the joystick on the GP32 is too sensitive.

      The GP32 was never meant to compete with the GBA. From what I have seen, the GP32 is more popular than ever, and available in more places.

  81. Legal? Really? by tgibbs · · Score: 1
    Posessing a ROM for a cartridge you own, as a backup, is legal

    I've heard this asserted many times, but has any court actually ruled this to be the case? To my knowledge, there is no law that specifically allows making copies for use on alternative hardware. There are certainly legal issues here: Is it legal to use such a copy, not as a backup, but to play the game on different hardware, or must it be kept solely for use on the original hardware in the event that the original version fails? Is it legal to make a backup for a game that is distributed on a medium that does not have a significant likelihood of failure?

  82. Divx! by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 2, Informative

    not much mention of the Divx player. There are two Divx players, a free one and one you have to pay for: Moviepark. Moviepark is not expensive ($5.80USD) and works much better than the free one. Well worth the money.

    Using VirtualDub, videos have good color, good sound and fair to good motion.

    The Matrix would be a blur, but most TV shows look good.

    The Simpsons look great on the GP32!

    1. Re:Divx! by mark_lybarger · · Score: 1

      why is there all this popularity around divx formatted video streams? i spent some time learning to encode videos to divx; only for them to be playable on _some_ computers with the special drivers for the particular codec i used. then i found the vcd format and have never been happier. not only will it play on really crappy computer hardware (those old P166's play um just fine), but most home DVD players will play them fine. filesize is comparable to divx and quality seems about the same...

    2. Re:Divx! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      VCD is the same thing as MPEG-2.

      DivX is MPEG-4.

    3. Re:Divx! by kcurrie · · Score: 1

      VCD is MPEG-1, not MPEG-2!

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    4. Re:Divx! by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      If you know what you are doing, a Divx file can be created that has the same quality as a VCD (MPEG-1) file, but it 30-50% smaller.

      Also, the indexing (ability to fast forward or rewind) is often MUCH faster and smoother with the Divx file. I create keyframes fairly often (about every 50 frames). This makes the file bigger, but indexing is pretty much instantaneous. Very usesful for "private viewing".

      The GP32, with a 133Mhz CPU, plays Divx files quite well.

  83. JVM for GBA by /^Neil/ · · Score: 0

    Why isn't there a JVM for the GBA? It's almost as if the new MIDP 2.0 specification was designed for the GBA. It's probably a marketing restriction by Nintendo. They don't want others to make games for the GBA.

  84. It CAN emulate GBA, but not yet - Link Inside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The GP32 can emulate GBA, but the emulator hasn't been released. A page of screenshots can be found here:

    http://gp32club.consolemul.com/html/modules.php? na me=News&file=article&sid=33

    1. Re:It CAN emulate GBA, but not yet - Link Inside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      want to know why the current wip gba emulators for the gp32 can't be released?

      it's because the gp32 is not powerful enough to emulate the gba graphics system without serious slowdown, measured in spf, not fps.

      gba has dedicated 2d hardware that the gp32 can't match even playing games in its own native format

  85. Not likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Big N will have it's way with this device and I don't blame them. Hell if you're going to rip off other people at least include four face buttons. Jesus.

  86. Some problems I noticed while reasearching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You have to register your gp32 through their sight to activate it and its software. This seems to only effect you if you want to download games, programs, etc from them. I still can't tell if it is possible to back this stuff up incase something happens later.

    While there are about six buttons, I can see it being awkward to try to play emulators of systems like the SNES that have 6 buttons plus select and start.

    The mp3 playback is limited to 128 kps. The ID3 tags are limited as well, but that isn't quite that much of a problem.

    You can't play mp3s while playing games due to the fact that most of the gp32s power is used when playing mp3s.

    From what I can tell an offical compiler/devkit costs a lot. At least there are free ones out there.

    The games you can buy are usally encripted in one of two ways. An game encrypted on a SMC card to only that card but can be played on any gp32, or one that can only be played on just your GP32.

    Even with those problems I still am considering getting one, you can do some fun things with it.

    1. Re:Some problems I noticed while reasearching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MP3 playback is NOT limited to 128Kb/s, but that having been said, the sound quality through the speakers kinda sucks, and using earphones is difficult without an external volume control (volume is way too high from the unit, and you need to adjust the volume at the very bottom of its range).

      Once you flash a new firmware to the device, the encryption issues aren't really that important. It's just the hastle of getting a launcher program encrypted the first time to run the firmware flash program.

  87. Re:As this is from the world's scummiest country.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets hope we bomb them next.

    Learn some culture and know the distinction between the North and South. A good percentage of the electronic products you use or clothes you wear may have been manufactured from the country you wish to be bombed (unless you're referring to North, but judging from your replies, you probably don't care).

    And just so that you know, Korea was always a poor country for so many centuries before becoming the industrialized nation that it has turned into. So, meat was a rarity and vegetables were a large part of their diet. However, the "dogs" that they eat are not the same "dogs" that play fetch with you or lick your balls. They were a means of survival way back when, and have become a part of a traditional Korean meal. (And, no, not everyone eats it. In fact, the majority do not care for it at all, They just don't actively protest and disprove of it, that's all.)

    What's the difference between cows or pigs? These "dogs" are really a type of wolf that are raised on farms, just like the bovine and swine variety, for consumption. It's not American style, fine, but deal with the fact that not everyone is like America.

  88. I will say why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can hack it.

  89. Hmm Paying for a emulator?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a stuffed idea pcsx(3d card requird every thing else dies a hard death on what I have tryed) run ps games and it is free nsx under development is starting to run ps2 games and cxbx converts xbox games to pc nartive with a few flaws. All free.

    Note the main differences between a xbox and a pc is a different file format different bois and a slightly enhanced video card. Note pcsx saved my tail when my pcx died.

  90. Try reading the article by freeweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Moderators, pass the crack pipe.

    This thing cannot, repeat CANNOT emulate the GBA. Check the site, there's no mention of this. Even trying it would be stupid - go ahead, run a working GBA emulator on this sort of hardware. Have fun with your 2 frames per second.

    This isn't hurting Nintendo's current revenue stream at all, save for the fraction of a percent of original GameBoy games still being sold.

    Yikes, several dozen other posts have already pointed this out, yet it gets both posted and modded up.

    Oh, and for the record, Playstation emulators were popular years ago (everyone had Connetix's for a while), back when Sony WAS making hordes of money off the platform. And because the emulator didn't care what media you put in it, everyone used pirated copies of the games. So don't give me this horseshit that somehow PSX emulators are 'ok', when a system that doesn't emulate any currently sold system isn't.

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  91. I've been developing on the GP32 for a few days.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really love my GP32. Its a great unit, especially for hacking around on.. I had gcc up and going in a matter of minutes, and was able to port some of my Palm OS games to it in a few hours.

    (Plug: I've ported my XCade arcade emulator for Palm OS to GP32, so it now runs on DOS, Windows, various Unices, Palm OS, and GP32. One sourcebase. Ha!)

    The GP32 is great to develop for due to the open and encouraging nature of the company. SDKs free and easy to get, lots of help from other developers on the platform.. lots of forums and IRc channels. Great stuff.

    The machine is pretty powerful.. a Palm Tungsten T at 140MHz is a little slower than the GP32, and the GP32 has no OS in the way (and no weird 64k limits like Palm OS!). The GP32 screams at 132MHz, though it can software clock up and down...

    The trick is that the GBA is slow, but has some hardware graphics assists like built in rotation; so the GBA has some nice effects up its sleeves that the GP32 simpyl cannot do without killing its framerate, since its just an ARM processor doing all the work. So you write your own effects in C or assembly or the like, and your'e cool.. but the GBA is easier in that respect, and you can do some whizbang stuff that is hard to do half as fast on the GP32.

    Liek anything else.. its give and take. One platform isn't better than the other.

    Choice is good.

    That said.. the PCEngine and C64 emus on the GP32 *rocks* ;) Full sound, full speed.

    Emulating a GBA opn the GP32 is doable, and the one out there is about 10fps.. but its not goign to get much better than that for most GBA games.. emulating the effects is too slow :)

    jeff

  92. GP32 is old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    some ppl need to stop posting like they know it all cuz they researched for 5 minutes, the GBA emulator for the gp32 is still wip, but plz, bitch more about how its OBVIOUSLY fake even tho its not, morons

    and believe it or not, some ppl buy devices for the device, not cuz omfgz i can pir8 stuff woot! fags

  93. Too much talk about emulation. by mrseigen · · Score: 1

    The real strength of the GP32 is that anyone can write code, press it to a SmartMedia card, and execute it.

    I can think of about a million uses for a 32-bit RISC portable system that I can write my own games for, and to limit it to playing emulated games on other systems isn't doing the beauty of the "open console" concept justice. I thought /. was supposed to have a fairly high ratio of developers to content thieves but obviously I'm wrong.

  94. That is exceedingly not true by xenocide2 · · Score: 1
    First off, the emulation of the snes is not that good yet. Second off, people are porting SNES games because they're viable, not because they're similar. ARM is not Motorola. Vastly different, with superscalar execution and the like. Several titles perform polygonal computations without the need for an in ROM chip, like the SuperFX or SuperFX2.

    The GP32 is an interesting device, but its generally reguarded as undermarketed and insecure (it comes with the ability to download from your computer BUILT IN). In general, the GBA has similar emulators, though I don't believe anyone has been brave enough to port SNES emulators over to GBA. I would check but it seems that during the writing of this post PocketHeaven has removed its emulator database. I know that PocketNES is coming along finely, with the ability to save states and scale the screen differently with a touch of a button, and mappers being implemented.

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  95. Its still 2 Short by xenocide2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    They're missing 2 buttons on it. Thats something of a problem for bringing older titles to the GBA. Street figher? Total bitch to do without 6 buttons.

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  96. Virtual Boy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This thing's processor is almost identical to that of the much-maligned Virtual Boy. Though I suppose you'd need two of them and a stereopitcon to play.

  97. [OT] Re:One thing not mentioned in the submission. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Its" belongs to the pronoun family, like "my", "your", "his", "her", and "their", none of which have apostrophes.

    "It's" is a contraction for "it is", like "can't" is to "can not" and "don't" is to "do not".

  98. Um, SNES? by vjlen · · Score: 1

    How does it emulate the SNES with only two buttons?

    1. Re:Um, SNES? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has 6 buttons (4 on front and 2 shoulder buttons)

  99. that's not true! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    c64s are nice and light! It is only the drive that's heavy. Well....unless you want to actually hook up a c64 to power...then you'll need that big heavy transformer, too.

    ;-)

  100. Have to say this... by SnuSnu · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't worry about GBA emulation, since quite a lot of GBA titles are rehashed SNES games.

  101. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do realize that the comment you are making has already been made twice by repliers to the same post you are replying to? One of those two posts being made by the original poster?

  102. GP32 with cell phone and PDA by Masao-Kun · · Score: 1

    Actually, according to the FAQ here, there's supposed to be one in the works called the GPi. Unfortunately, the link they list for more info is dead...

  103. Good news about abandonware legality? by yerricde · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In fact, abandonware may have a distant shot at being legal, through an interpretation of two of the four factors distinguishing copyright infringement from fair use.

    First of all, a fair user can justify "the purpose and character of the use" by, for example, including the abandonware titles as specimens to be criticized in a work about the art of game design, establishing an "educational" nature.

    Another factor is "the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." In practice, the courts have weighed this factor more than the other three. If the copyright owner has refused to commercially exploit a work, this could be viewed as an admission of the absence of such a "potential market".

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  104. Source ports are the key by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Looking at the specs it only appears to emulate the GB and GBC not the GBA.

    However, even if it isn't possible to emulate the whole GBA on the GP32, it would be straightforward to source-port free GBA software by partially emulating the graphics and sound hardware.

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  105. Try TOD by yerricde · · Score: 1

    I'm quite happy with the tetris on my cellphone

    Tetramino games on cellphones look tame once you've played TOD. Imagine for a moment what a tetramino game would look like on LSD.

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  106. Even MegaMan X3? by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    That had the C4 chip, which (last I checked) no one emulated.

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    1. Re:Even MegaMan X3? by nitehorse · · Score: 1

      Actually, the last time that I played around with ZSNES (at least 3 or 4 months ago) X3 did, in fact, work. (It's one of my favorite games of all time, so I always check to see if it's playable :)

      And yes, I do own the original cartridge. It's sitting here in my SNES, plugged into my TV. However, my laptop is a lot more portable than my TV and SNES, so... yay emulation!

  107. No, excuse you. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    The GBA and SNES are as alike as the SNES and Genesis.

    The GBA is more powerful, has more sprite rotatation and scaling modes, has more colour display, can address larger cartridge space, has an ARM processer (instead of a 65C816), and happens to have a very shitty 8-bit sound processor. They are not very similar except that they both play games that are 16-bit.

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    1. Re:No, excuse you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite. The GBA has a very shitty 8-bit *speaker*, not sound processor. Try hooking up headphones to it and you'll get a lot better sound.

    2. Re:No, excuse you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inoshiro is generally clueless (but amusing, like a hobo clown with a machete), but YOU take the cake.

      8-bit SPEAKER? Shit, man, you're the fucking KING OF THE IDIOTS. Well, perhaps I'm being too harsh. You could easily just be drunk or retarded.

      NO.

      EXCUSE YOU.

      AHAHAHAHAHA

  108. Hardware rescaling by yerricde · · Score: 1

    1. 320x240 full screen at a 19" monitor, typical viewing distance == headache city.

    Actual coin-operated arcade games use a 19" display running at resolutions close to 320x240 pixels. So just sit farther from the screen, at TV distances rather than computer distances. A PS1 joypad connected to your USB port through an EMS USB2 adapter should help you sit back while giving you authentic console-style feel.

    2. 320x240 window on same monitor running a 1024x768/1152x864/1280x1024 desktop == squint city.

    At those display resolutions, pixels on a 1x display are about as big as pixels on the GBA or GP32. If you use a relatively dark desktop theme, the small size of the emulator's window shouldn't bother you.

    I'd suggest adding a third option, as found in several emulators I use for development such as FCE Ultra and VisualBoyAdvance:

    3. 320x240 rescaled 2x using hardware scaling of DirectDraw overlays == enjoyable SimCity.

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    1. Re:Hardware rescaling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add software scanlines to the list of features that help with the emulation of low-resolution devices. It's like playing on a monitor with bad dot pitch (like many arcade RGB monitors), but you eliminate jaggies imposed by the rescale.

  109. Re:Always beautiful trans... ENGRISH!!! by blakespot · · Score: 1
    Gotta love the Japanese -> English translations...

    ----> http://www.engrish.com -- to die for!!!


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  110. Is Kimchi-man actually made of cabbage? by rollie_tyler · · Score: 2, Informative
  111. 17 USC 117 allows adaptation as well by yerricde · · Score: 1

    There is a 'masked rom' protection for catridges that makes a hex dump of a ROM not a backup in the legal sense.

    You're thinking of Atari v. JS&A Group, which ruled that backup copies are not necessary to protect works stored on mask ROM media. However, it could be argued that a ROM image stored on a hard disk is an "adaptation" rather than a "backup copy", and 17 USC 117 specifically allows the owner of a genuine copy to make adaptations necessary to get the program to run.

    If you're still interested, you may want to read my speculation about the holes in the common "emulation is illegal even if you own the cartridge" arguments.

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  112. Freeware ROMs by yerricde · · Score: 1

    You know full damn well the primary purpose of this product will be to play illegally-downloaded roms.

    How again is it an infringement of copyright to download GPL'd or otherwise freely redistributable ROM images?

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  113. 17 USC 117 by yerricde · · Score: 1

    It was used to play roms, end of story.

    And how does this make emulator software automatically illegal? First of all, not all ROMs are illegal to redistribute. Some ROMs are even free software under the FSF's definition. Second, the owner of a genuine copy of a work who dumps the copy and adapts it for use on another machine does not infringe the copyright in the work (17 USC 117).

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  114. Depends on enforceability of EULAs by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Corporations have this idea that they can tell you what to do and automatically that is the law.

    If there's a binding contract, then this is true. However, under what conditions the EULA qualifies as a contract (offer + acceptance + consideration by both parties = contract) is still up in the air.

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  115. Title 17, United States Code, Section 117 by yerricde · · Score: 1

    To my knowledge, there is no law that specifically allows making copies for use on alternative hardware.

    Then what about 17 USC 117? It reads, in part:

    Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:
    (1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner, or
    (2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.
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  116. MBV2 by yerricde · · Score: 1

    PocketNES runs quite nicely stand-alone.

    Without a link cable, how do you copy PocketNES and the NES ROM dump from the PC to the GBA's memory?

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    1. Re:MBV2 by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Err... it's called a flash cart, which you need if you want more than one game on your GBA anyway. I bought mine from Lik Sang. Besides, without a flash cart, you're tethered to your PC (or, rather, you have to have a PC around so you can power up the GBA and copy the game over), so you might as well just use a PC-based emulator. *shrug*

    2. Re:MBV2 by yerricde · · Score: 1

      I bought mine from Lik Sang

      Who no longer sells flash carts after the lawsuit. Apparently, the preferred sources are gbax.com and success-hk.com.

      you're tethered to your PC (or, rather, you have to have a PC around so you can power up the GBA and copy the game over)

      Who reading Slashdot (other than those behind Macintosh computers) doesn't have a PC around? I can load a game into the GBA, leave the house, play it on the bus, then when I arrive, I put the GBA on sleep until I'm ready to play again or put another game in. Nintendo is using this technique to hide GBA games in some of its newer GCN games (such as Puzzle Collection) as well.

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    3. Re:MBV2 by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Who no longer sells flash carts after the lawsuit. Apparently, the preferred sources are gbax.com and success-hk.com.

      Heh, look at that, you're right. I didn't realize they'd discontinued those as well. I'm glad I got mine. :)

      Who reading Slashdot (other than those behind Macintosh computers) doesn't have a PC around? I can load a game into the GBA, leave the house, play it on the bus, then when I arrive, I put the GBA on sleep until I'm ready to play again or put another game in. Nintendo is using this technique to hide GBA games in some of its newer GCN games (such as Puzzle Collection) as well.

      Yes, but then you're forced to have your GBA on at all times, which wastes battery life. I'd much rather be able to load up my flash cart, and have it available whenever I feel like playing a game, without having the damn thing on all the time. And then I can carry around as many games as my cart will hold (in my case, about 25). Besides, if I'm going on a trip (the most likely time for me to use PocketNES), I most certainly *don't* have access to a PC with all my games on it.

      And what if I'm playing a PocketNES game and decide I want to play a different game for a while. Well, I'm buggered. Heck, what if my g/f decides she wants to play Tetris while I've got a game of SMB in progress? It's just waaay too much trouble.

      Sorry, but a flash cart is, IMHO, the only way to go. Get one... you'll be glad you did. Plus, then you can write your own stuff for the GBA! :)

  117. Nobody mentioned... by t0ny · · Score: 2, Funny
    I didnt scroll down all the way to the bottom of the postings, but nobody asked...

    Does it play Ogg?

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    1. Re:Nobody mentioned... by slim · · Score: 1

      It's an open platform. If it doesn't already play Ogg, you can hack until it does.

    2. Re:Nobody mentioned... by t0ny · · Score: 1

      I know. Its just that somebody asks this question for any hardware post. New AS400? Does it play Ogg? New computerized wrist watch? Does it play Ogg? New networked blender, dishwasher, or Fridge? Fax machine? Copier? Etc...

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  118. ...each major direction... by yerricde · · Score: 1

    12 if you list each major direction separately

    Which is, to set the record straight, actually the correct way to list them because this is how the hardware sees them, in the order B, Y, Select, Start, Up, Down, Left, Right, A, X, L, R.

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  119. RTFA, this thing has four buttons. by omarKhayyam · · Score: 1

    Gee, if you click on the link right in the article, you can see a pitcure of this unit, and can see that it has two buttons on the front and TWO SHOULDER BUTTONS, for a grand total of FOUR BUTTONS. Not two. Four. Cripes, you didn't even have to scroll down or actually read anything, just look at the picture.

  120. I've seen this thing do some fantastic stuff by crashx99 · · Score: 1

    one of my former roommates had one of these things, and I must say that he's quite an excellent programmer, and with a little work he got Quake and Descent running on it at about 5-10 fps. I'm sure that more complicated emulation is quite possible for that little machine. I always wanted one myself, but I was not that good at porting, nor programming like my ol' roomie :)

  121. A great gaming console by logout · · Score: 1

    I don't know why GP32 still does not make it into the US market. This gaming console is great in many respects; the CPU power, more memories, and especially, more open development architecture to attract third-party game developers.

    There are two problems the Korean console maker is facing. One is the brand power of Nintendo. I am afraid GP32 will need a huge amount of money to _at least_ display their consoles and games right next to Nintendo's at Bestbuy or Circuit City. The second one is small number of killer games for GP32. There do exist several killer games for GP32. However, they are ports of PC games which were quite popular among Korean users. No wonder American users never heard of them.

    Anyway, I would like to see GP32 displayed right next to Nintendo's Gameboy at retail stores. GP32 offers much better features than Nintendo's with lower price. Just adding several classic games into its inventory will surely make GP32 take off as a robust gaming platform. The Korean market for gaming is not suitable for GP32. The availability of Internet cafes in every block of the towns and the popular use of Internet is good for MUDs rather than console games. Personally I don't want to see a great gaming platform with the potential of exceeding Nintendo's Gameboy wither away at the small Korean gaming market without giving benefit to other gaming users all over the world.

    1. Re:A great gaming console by adri · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily - it just has to do well in Korea or a couple other asian countries.

      I'm sure there are a lot of geek products made out there - I've seen cell phones in Japan and Korea that I'm sure I'll never see in Australia or the US - which are just damned nifty.

  122. Re:Always beautiful trans... ENGRISH!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "to die for!!!"

    Okay, you've made your point, you can GO DIE NOW.

    GP32 is a product of South Korean design and manufacture.

  123. why is this better? by iamhassi · · Score: 1
    The new GBA SP has a rechargeable battery, a frontlight, folds up to be incredibly small, and plays ALL GBA games for less than $100 USD locally.

    The GP32 doesn't have a rechargeable battery, DOES NOT HAVE A INTERNAL LIGHT, is much larger than the GBA SP, doesn't play GBA games, and costs at least $150.

    So why exactly is this so great?? It's designed to be a portable gaming unit, and there's already a better/cheaper/BRIGHTER portable gaming unit, so why did /. even bother covering the GP32?

    If you want to cover something, cover this: new GPi

    It's the new GP32, adding:
    --16 Megs of internal memory
    --operates on Linux OS: Kernel 2.4
    --web browser
    --multimedia player (including Divx)
    --text viewer/editor program (aka word processor)
    --built in Li+ rechargeable battery
    --INTERNAL LIGHT

    That's what slashdot should be covering, the GP32 is about 2 years too late.

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  124. Are you nuts? Re: OK, this i actually find unet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't be ridiculous! Are you saying that just because Nintendo came up with the original Game Boy design, they have some sort of 'birth right' to the future profit from that idea?!

    Lots of people seem to have this idea. This is absolutely insane! It is like saying that you cannot retell Snow White to your kids because Hans Christian Anderson (or WHOEVER it was) doesn't benefit from his hard work in designing the story!

    Do you think that cloning hardware wasn't a benefit for the pc world? Just look at how things are today with clones!

    It's not just IBM anymore. Similarly, if someone can clean-room engineer a game boy clone, more power to them! Isn't that how capitalism works? I mean, if Nintendo wants a slice of the GB32, that's what patents are for, man. Get a grip! I can't believe you are advocating that idea creators should have total control over their ideas. There is NO NATURAL RIGHT for owners to their ideas. AT ALL. The only 'rights' that exist are those provided by the constitution and by people's kindness.

    You do NOT have to feel sorry for Nintendo or for any other company, because they will NEVER feel sorry for you! They will always focus on maximizing their revenue and gouging you to the maximum extent is one technique they use.

    I don't know where you got this idea that all creations are the natural property of their creators. This is generally a useful fiction for a short period of time (ie, copyrights and patents etc) but in the long term a very bad idea. If Nintendo didn't take out patents (or couldn't get any!) then they deserve what they get.

  125. Created equal... by wardred · · Score: 1

    From one of the greatest minds out there: Thomas Jefferson in the declaration of independence: "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal..." This is not, nor in my opinion has it ever been, a silly idea. It can be a somewhat difficult idea to wrap one's head around, since, as you pointed out, there are those who accomplish more than others. But these words and this idea does not speak to a person's accomplishments. It speaks to the idea that each individual is worthy of being treated with dignity, respect, and the rights granted to even those who are considered "leaders," "achievers," or any other name you'd like to conjure up. Without this as a governing concept, with only the idea that one's accomplishments and/or holdings makes one valuable, then it becomes okay to run sweatshops with children in them, or any number of attrocious things because that person who doesn't have as much money, or who hasn't accomplished as much as Mr. factory owner isn't worth as much as a human. Even with this idea as a governing philosophy, these situations can and do happen. Most of the founders owned slaves, and slavery, by definition, does not fit with the idea that all men are created equal. But if you discard this idea, or maybe ideal, then it becomes way to easy to think of all the grief and suffering that still happens in the world as okay because those people are not as equal as the ones with the money and/or accomplishments.

    1. Re:Created equal... by Cryptnotic · · Score: 1

      All men are created equal. All men have an equal right to the basic liberties we take for granted in the free world. All men are therefore deserving of a basic amount of respect.

      However, there are certain actions and decisions that a man may take in his life which make him less deserving of those rights. To a man who commits crimes, we take away his freedom to move around as he pleases.

      Similarly, there are rewards which are sometimes given to those who make different choices in their lives. To a man who selflessly risks his life to save others, we award certain heroic status.

      So anyway, criminals and heroes are not of equal value as far as I am concerned, even if they were created equal.

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  126. Should have added a disclaimer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saying I wasn't an expert.

    I thought I read something along those lines about the mp3 playback being limited to 128 kbps in a forum. I couldn't quite find it again and I do know that it could have been wrong.

    I tried to find more of a in-depth FAQ involving mp3 playback that would answer this but couldn't find one. Also the official English site is kind of scarce on information.

    Yeah I figured the encryption scheme was already broken and that there are ways to get it running with out going through gamepack's registration. The same can be said for games, if I download one I want to back it up to some other type of media. I was just thinking along the lines of those who tends to prefer using official installers, programs, and upgrades.

  127. Snes9x works great! by zapp · · Score: 1

    snes9x works great, and there are many ports of it despite the name.

    It appears right now the downloads page is unavailable though, but maybe some googling would locate it.

    www.vimm.net also used to have a *LOT* of SNES and NES roms, but took the SNES down due to bandwidth limitations.

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  128. Re:[OT] Re:One thing not mentioned in the submissi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, actually "my", "your", "his", "her", and "their" are adjectives. The possessive pronouns are "mine", "yours", "his", "hers", "its" and "theirs".

  129. It *IS* worth it. by umai · · Score: 1

    I have a GP32. It plays scumm games (Day of the tentacle, sam n max), sega master system, gameboy color, c64, c16, msx2 and pcengine games at full speed and full sound. Other emulators (mame, gba, etc) are under way and there are private betas out showing great progress. You also have heretic, wolfenstein3d and doom, full speed but with some minor problems still. I use my GP32 every day and my GBA just collects dust in a corner although I own 11 gba games. I hope that clarifies a lot :)

  130. Setting the record straight, you linux hippies! by inopia · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've read a lot of talk about the ethics of emulation and how it affects this system. Imho, this was written by people who just read the article, made some unfounded conclusions and started blabbing about the wrongs of it without really knowing what the hell they where talking about. Fairly standard internet behaviour.

    However, a few notes:

    - The GP32 is just a korean game system like the GB/C/A, wonderswan, or any other handheld. It doesn't indorse or support piracy in any way. They just released a GP32 SDK for home programmers to program their own stuff on it. I doubt they ever expected it would get the following it did. Saying the GP32 is unethical because of it's emulator scene is about as intelligent as saying the XBOX is an unethical system because you can play mame on it.
    - If you're interested in buying a GP32, let me before warn you about the emulation. Not all emulators are as good as you'd wish. The processor is an ARM920T running at variable speed from 20-133mhz. Consider that ALL gp32 emulators are ports from PC emulators, and you might understand why not evey emu is as good as one might wish. In my opinion only two emulators have been thouroughly optimized, and those are GPEngine (pc-engine emu, does about 70% of pc-engine games) and the SNES emu wich is being worked on. As a result some emulators aren't great, but the ones that are really good are the sega master system emu, beforementioned gpengine, gameboy(color), scumm VM (excellent sound!), sarien (it is a bitch to play leisure suit larry without a keyboard:) and the C64 emu. I guess you'll have to try em yourself.
    - It has flashable bios, and a homemade bios exists wich is actually better than the original :)
    - Why is the system so cheap? Well, the korean gov encourages cooperation between korean tech companies. As a result, the Gp32 is internally almost wholly Samsung. It has an all-in-one solution chip intended for handhelds (arm920t at max 133mhz, lcd controller, mem controller, etc), a samsung 240x320 screen (rotated 90 degrees to make it look like 320x240, but the mem adressing is still 240x320, wich makes for interesting programming:), 8mb samsung memory, and a uses samsung made smart media cards for storage. The games are encrypted using something called secumax (korean too?). The only thing non-korean in there is a philips 4 channel PCM chip. In short, this is so cheap because they didn't really have to develop anything themselves, they just hooked up existing technologies.
    - some say the thing is cheaply made. Well, it feels very study, and the 8-way stick (like the ngpc) takes a lot of getting used to. They only bad thing is the screen, wich scratches very easily. You'll have to smooth it out every once in a while.
    - Also, emulation is not even the main reason why I'm so happy with my Gp32, since I use it mainly as a media player. It can play MOD/XM/IT/S3M (listnening to old orange mods on the train is great) and even SID. It can play MP3 out of the box via the mp3 player in the bios, and there's a DIVX player that can play divx 4.12 movies (ideal for cartoons like ren and stimpy, duckman, etc). I have two 128mb SMC's wich I bought here in the netherlands for 65 euros each, and I have one filled with punkrock MP3, and the other with movies and programs. I have to commute between my place and my gf's every weekend and I have to spend 1.5 hours in the train. I do have a GBA and a flashwriter but I never use it anymore.
    - if you're a programmer gp32 is an ideal platform. The community is small and friendly and helpful, and for over a year now new programs have been coming out every few weeks. There's an add-on to devkitadvance that allows you to get programming with gcc in a matter of minutes. Also, ARM assembler is the best! :)
    - linux? They're working on it but I personally I can't see the point. WindowsCE ? They're working on it too but personally I really can't see the point. Quake? They're working on it. I can't wait :)

    anyway, that was my rambling for today, hope you enjoyed it. /Inopia

  131. PCEngine/Turbografx16 full speed stereo multiplayr by umai · · Score: 1

    Dont forget to mention the systems' only full speed 16bit emulation: The GPengine. http://www.gp32x.com/gpengine/ It blasts the pants off any gba. Games like R-Type, Sidearms and Mr. Heli are displayed at native 320x240 pixels and with 16bit stereo sound. I've shown this to three friends who are also into gaming and they all bought a gp32 immediately. A multiplayer GPengine is in the works, allowing you to play all your favourite shoot-em-ups wirelessly with up to 3 friends.

  132. Re:[OT] Re:One thing not mentioned in the submissi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my cock is about the size of a King Size Mars Bar

  133. Article is misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First of all GP32 is NOT a GBA super emulator.
    It wasn't created to be an emulator.
    It can't even emulate GBA! I frankly think it will never be able to do it well.

    It's just a habdheld console with some innovative concepts.
    It's cartridge is a CF card, so you can write freely data to it.

    Think about it: a company could sell a game on a CD (which has negligible production costs) and sell it. Or you could just download it from their site. The consloe acts as a USB CF card reader/writer so there's no additional cost.

    Isn't it brilliant? And it has great hardware specs. 240x160 color display, plus built in wireless link capability.

    Where's the drawback? It's sold in Corea only (though you can order it online) and has only a dozen of native games.

    Of course, since everybody can write software for it, there is a growing number of programs being developed by a big online community (expecially considering that the device is pratically unknown to the masses), and many of it are emulators, because, well, face it, is a handheld, so people want to PLAY with it ;)

    But there are also ports of freeware or full games, such as Doom, and various apps like MP3 and DivX players.

    Saying it is a "pirate gizmo" is like saying a pc is, since they have hard disks, which can hold emulators and roms.

    Final note regarding DivX: you don't really have to split your AVI in multiple cards: it's quite better to re-encode the movie ito 240x160 resolution. That way you can fit the whole file in just one card. You can find virtual dub profile files for that on various sites regarding GP32 ;)

    There's an emulator of GP32 that runs on Windows. So you could check out the thing and how fast emulators and apps would go on the real machine.

    All in all, I'm not going to buy it, because I own a GBA and a Zaurus, which can read MP3s and Divx, and even emulate my SNES and C64, so I would not have a real use for it.

    But, admit it, would it not be GREAT if the machine had a great success over the world? ;)

  134. Emulating the C64 ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since I dont (yet) own one, how is the C64emulation on that thing ? Since I have a load of those games it would be quite sweet to play em on a GP32 instead of a 20" monitor ;)

    1. Re:Emulating the C64 ? by inopia · · Score: 1

      Download the FRODO c64 emu for PC and see how you like it. The c64 emu for gp32 is a frodo port /Inopia

  135. GP32 buttons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The GP32 does not only have 2 buttoms it has a start button a select button, an A and a B button and an L and R button

  136. Review with screenshots and GBA emu confirmation by minipunk · · Score: 1

    http://www.gbax.com/gp32review.html

  137. Well... by PeDRoRist · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, the GBA emu is in private beta stage, but it's possible to get your hands on it if you ask nicely on #gp32dev (efnet i think).
    Currently, it does run reeeeeeeeeaaaaalllllyyyy slooooooow, but considering it is a straight 2 days port (100% C, no assembler), that is pretty good.

    Additionally, there is a list of other emus for GP32:

    GB/GBC (2 emus)
    GBA (currently in private beta)
    Nes (2 emus, both are Infones ports)
    SMS / GG (2 emus)
    PC Engine/Coregraphx (2 emus, one is near perfect, the other is discontinued)
    SNES (2 emus, one discontinued)
    MD/Genesis (hasn't been released yet, since there are negociations between GamePark and Sega, and the emu author doesn't want to interfere)
    MSX (really nice and complete emu)
    NeoGeo Pocket Color (currently in private beta)
    Wonderswan (discontinued?)
    Zx Spectrum
    Commodore Plus4
    C64
    Arcade (Oldies like Pacman, Space Invaders, and such, plus Mame 0.66 is being ported by rlyeh, author of the excellents fMSX32 and fNES32)

    Moreover, several classic games have been ported more or less succesfully to the GP32:

    Rick Dangerous
    Elite the Newkind
    Wolfenstein 3D
    Doom
    Heretic
    Descent
    LucasArts' adventure games via ScummVM
    Sierra's early adventure games via Sarien AGI interpreter

    Read more at gp32emu.com

    You should also know that some pretty neat stuff has been developped for this pretty neat handeld:

    3 MP3 players (one comes with the console)
    3 Divx (4.12) players (one has been discontinued, another on is commercial, the 3 of them are still a bit slow)
    an e-book reader
    Gif, Jpeg, PNG viewers
    Custom GUIs and Firmwares
    a Java VM and a Flash player are rumoured
    Linux and Windows CE are bieng ported over
    Lots of stuff i forgot to mention

    And i didn't even talk about commercial nor amateur games.

    (I own a GP32, I'm sure you guessed. The only thing i'm not happy with, is that it should be able to connect to the Internet, but yet this feature isn't availiable)

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  138. Is that a PG32 in your pocket . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or are you just glad to see me?

  139. *YOU* Try reading the article by NomNet · · Score: 1
    > Moderators, pass the crack pipe.

    > This thing cannot, repeat CANNOT emulate the GBA. Check the site, there's no mention of this. Even trying it would be stupid - go ahead, run a working GBA emulator on this sort of hardware. Have fun with your 2 frames per second.

    http://www.gp32news.com - check the article posted on Monday 21 February 2003 @ 02:59. You obviously have trouble reading, so I'll post you a transcript here :

    GBA emu underway, made in France
    Yes, gba emu is underway.
    Ok it's just a begging, so it only support 4mo roms, no sound, 5-10fps, but for a first private release it's a good start.

    The article is followed by three screenshots of Contra Advance.

    5-10fps is a very good starting framerate, and with further optimization, it ought to be able to hit full speed. This is standard fare for first-version emulators of/on other systems.

    If the GP32 can emulate a SNES at a reasonable speed, why on earth do you assume "2 frames per second" for a GBA emu ? The GBA is a very low-spec machine (similar to a SNES) - you don't need any more than "this sort of hardware" in order to emulate it !

    Score:4 ? HA !

    1. Re:*YOU* Try reading the article by freeweed · · Score: 1

      If the GP32 can emulate a SNES at a reasonable speed, why on earth do you assume "2 frames per second" for a GBA emu ? The GBA is a very low-spec machine (similar to a SNES) - you don't need any more than "this sort of hardware" in order to emulate it !

      The SNES is a 16-bit machine, the GBA 32. The SNES has but a fraction of the ram that a GBA does. Just because a lot of SNES games have been ported over, does not mean the GBA is just a portable SNES.

      There's a reason you can quite nicely play SNES emulators using a 4 or 5 year old PC, but it takes over a 1 ghz machine to play any GBA emulator that's out there.

      Try actually using the software, and do a little research on the hardware involved, before you go spouting off based on some news release.

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    2. Re:*YOU* Try reading the article by NomNet · · Score: 1
      There's a reason you can quite nicely play SNES emulators using a 4 or 5 year old PC, but it takes over a 1 ghz machine to play any GBA emulator that's out there.

      Yes, and that reason is that SNES emulators have been around, and in active development, for MANY years, and are heavily optimised. It's not because the GBA is much more advanced.

      Try actually using the software, and do a little research on the hardware involved, before you go spouting off based on some news release.

      FYI, I've been actively involved in the Emulation scene for about six years now. I'm well aware of what goes into making an emulator, and what affects it's speed. The GBA emulator for GP32, is no different to any of the other emulation milestones (Ultra64, Project Tempest, U64Emu, Impact, and there are MANY more) - they all started off slow and next to useless, to evolve into fast, genuinely useful programs. The initial version has no bearing on the eventual version.

  140. Yes, it emulates the GBA by fx-man · · Score: 2, Informative

    but only roms under 4mo, without sound and at 5-10 fps.

    actually, the emulator exists only in private version.

    have a look here : http://www.gp32news.com/index.php?lang=en&page_rec =40 for some screenshots

  141. Sleep mode by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Yes, but then you're forced to have your GBA on at all times, which wastes battery life.

    In case you're unclear on what "sleep mode" is, it's a GBA BIOS call that some games can trigger that turns off pretty much everything on the GBA board except the interrupt controller, which is needed to wake the GBA on a keypress.

    Heck, what if my g/f decides she wants to play Tetris while I've got a game of SMB in progress?

    If you switch from SMB to Tetris Worlds by turning the machine off and on, you'll lose your progress in SMB anyway. If you're at home, launch TOD in an emulator, and now your gf is playing tetraminoes and getting high at the same time. If you're on the road, switch PocketNES from SMB to either Tengen Tetyais or Nintendo Tetris. Or give her your other Game Boy. What? You don't have another Game Boy? You're missing out on two-player.

    Sorry, but a flash cart is, IMHO, the only way to go. Get one

    I have one, but I'm the only person I know who has one because they're still three figures, which is expensive for a neighbor who's still in high school.

    Plus, then you can write your own stuff for the GBA! :)

    I already do. No, before you criticize me for mentioning sleep mode and not having already implemented it in my public releases, I have implemented sleep mode in my own tree, but there are a few bugs blocking the next TOD milestone.

    --
    Will I retire or break 10K?
  142. Yeah, unlike the SP it has no internal light. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So... back to the world of excessively dark games or giant halogen lamps.

  143. GP32 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am not a coward but have so many forum accounts I just thought I would write something.

    I am neither biased or critical of the GP32 / GBA fight - I own both

    I have for a long time wanted to move my emulated stuff to a portable machine - so the GP32 wins hands down on that front. The emulation is at an early stage, but look at MAME in the 1st year and then look at it now - If you look at life with blinkers you will miss so much that life can give you.

    Emulation is the key and thats what a GP32 is for

    I love my GP32 and my GBA SP - I hope they both can live in the same market and be around for a while in the same way the CBM64 and Spectrum were

    Hope all of the above helps

    PS - a 133 htz processor is slow compared to a PC but remember it has to run a windows operating system which a GP32 does not - and if it runs a SNES (which it does)GBA could be round the corner - but hey - I own a GBA so I dont care about that

  144. Not yet! Backlit version coming in a week!!! by Brent_DS · · Score: 1
    "Also, Entware let me know that backlighted GP32 will be available on the 10th of april, and he confirmed me that JoyGP, the international MeGaGp will be opened during the second half of april." Link

    While I can't speak for the reliability of the source, Entware seems to be the supplier of a gp32 DivX player. Interesting...

  145. Some information about the GP32, from an owner. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I own a GP32 and would like to clarify some information about the best handheld system ever made.

    First off, it has six buttons. Not two. Similar in contruction to the GBA. It is certainly NOT flimsy or sloppily built

    You don't have to split up 700mb divx files to watch movies. Simply re-encode to the correct settings and you can store about three hours of divx movies on one 128mb SMC.

    Take it from somone who has watched all three Back to the Futures, Star Wars, and more Star Trek than I'd care for my mother to know on the GP32. The playback is great.

    Emulation side, it's a beast.

    There are two SNES emulators. One does not have sound, but plays 80% of the games I've tried full speed. The other has sound, is still being updated, and runs quite well with frameskip. Most games are definatly playable, I'm a long ways into Super Metroid. Supports saving.

    There are several GB/GBC emulators. Only one is worth mentioning. Again, about 80% of games work. Nearly all full speed with sound. I like to play the many Pokemon rom hacks on it. Ah yes, about the comment on strecting the game to make it work on the GP32 resolution, there are three settings for this, and two work great.

    There is a PCEngine emulation which runs ALL the games I've tried full speed with sound. Definatly worth the price of admission just for this.

    The NES emulator is full speed with slightly irriting tinny sound. High compatibility

    The Master System\Game Gear emulator has run all the games I've tried with it full speed with sound.

    SCUMMVM is great, I've played through Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis with it. Laggy at times, but fun nonetheless. DOTT, Sam&Max, and Monkey Island, while I haven't played to the end, actually run better then Indy. Sam and Max even have the voices in the introduction.

    With a Pocket PC type program called "Wind-Ups" you can read E-books and do things associated with Pocket PC's. Needs a keyboard though.

    A Genesis/MD emulator is in development. Not much information.

    THERE IS A GBA EMULATOR.
    http://www.gp32x.com/index.php?artc=218

    Old news, it's still in privite beta but runs about 10fps.

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