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How to Make a Starship Enterprise out of a 3.5" Floppy
Wow, there is absolutely nothing good to post in the bin today, so you get to enjoy this little gem:
Here are some simple instructions for making an Enterpris from
a 3.5" floppy disk. Remember those? Before CDRWs cost next to nothing?
Thanks to Ant for digging this one up. Update Removed the link when the original content was removed.
An honest post if ever i saw one.
:)
That's about all floppy disks are good for anyway
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something about this is just wrong.
yes somewhow, it seems to be sickly intriguing.
damn.
i must be a geek.
The enterprise may go at light speed.
But the grinding of the server's harddrives as we slashdot them only travels at the speed of sound
Cheers
Hey you two people who actually got to see the page, rip that thing out of your web cache and share it please.
Call me when we can make a Death Star out of a roll of CAT 5.
the site is slashdotted, I have put up a mirror at
chaz6.com/enterprise/
Wow, there is absolutely nothing good to post in the bin today
It's not like that's ever stopped them before. Heck, they could always post a dupe.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
Really, go outside or read a book.
Now, what in the hell could be made from a DVD? Borg ship perhaps?
With some duct tape and an old towel MacGyver could make a gun!
I just saw this on a message board, before it actually got to Slashdot. This is odd. Well once you get good at that then try this
Wicked. No longer will my flatmate's tape-reel millenium falcon and punchcard x-wing dominate the living room.
For the first ever, I am mad that my Macs don't have floppy drives. Now how am I supposed to waste five minutes of my day?
Oh, right. I forgot.
Masturbate!
How many of you grabbed a floppy and ripped it apart within 1 minute of reading that page? Admit it. You know you did.
-S
--- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
this is "stuff that matters"!
It's exactly the antidote to a morning of reading the news from around the world...
we speak the way we breathe --Fugazi
Now I have a copy of this 3.5" floppy disk Enterprise...
The only problem is how to get it fit in the floppy station so I can post a copy of it to the /. crowd.
Damn it. Didn't solve that one. Move along.
I demand the Cone of Silence!
it worked!
You KNOW it's a really slow
Grandparent: Wow, there is absolutely nothing good to post in the bin today...
Parent: How exactly is it different from other days at
Cover your eyes and click this link!
Thanks to Ant for digging this one up.
Did anyone else notice the url starts with www.asciipr0n.com ? Imagine a colony of ants transfering ASCII pr0n, char by char
Oh, shut up!
getSexySig();
Are you afraid of the magnetism or the plastic?
Your answer is: Anytime you don't know if you should wash you hands or not, wash them. Teach your kids this, too.
... Stuff that matters.
Uh...
I made one as soon as I read the post... only to discover that the top didn't fit. If anyone else encounters this problem, just try folding the thin end of the floppy cover thingy (does it have a name?) in half.
- m4. f0x
"Don't let your schooling interfere with your education." -Mark Twain
And for Bonus Points, after building your Enterprise, re-assemble the floppy disk into working condition!
It's times like this that I keep slashdot around to remind me that there's always someone out there nerdier than I. Thank you, slashdot.
/.:ing is a nasty thing... :) ;)
Oh well they survived for an hour. Not too lousy. Apperantly dangerous to post this stuff on a site where >75% of the visitors love StarTrek
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<center><h6>SLASHDOT SUCKS</h6></center>
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OK, this was an amusing method of dealing with the Slashdot Effect.
Believe nothing, not even if I say it, if it violates your sense of reason -- Buddha
Now make 3 of these, and with the remaining plastic bit, you can make a borg cube to annoy your nice little fleet.
Its still not a patch on putting cd's in the microwave and making pieces of art out of the interestingly patterned results.
(I would make a comment about shoving the enterprise in the microwave and ion storms here, but thats going a bit too far)
http://www.rasher.dk/cam/ -- Look some loser already did it.
Now reads "Due to the people at slashdot.org linking to this site without asking the owners or the hosters, asciipr0n.com is offline until further notice. Maybe you guys should start mirroring the sites you link to..."
Ouch!
And the link from the article just reads "Slashdot Sucks"
Thats what i get for reading articles i guess.
When in doubt, parenthesize. At the very least it will let some poor schmuck bounce on the % key in vi. (Larry Wall)
I think they really, really, really didn't like finding out about the
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
Yeah, would have been nice if I (the hoster of asciipr0n.com) would have gotten some notice before being effectively DDoSed.
I too find it woefully irresponsable that small websites that can't handle traffic don't inform slashdot when they are shutting down right after slashdot links to them. It harms slashdot and all of their users. A little warning would be nice.
The Internet is generally stupid
When you make such nice web sites, full of such valuable and unique information, you have to anticipate getting linked from major news sites. When the editors get something as good as this, they just have to post it, and who can blame them for that?
So I guess I'm wondering, what have been your experiences getting slashdotted... did your site go down? What server software were you using, and what kind of bandwidth did you have?
Miko O'Sullivan
Important!
Shouldnt the first step should be "back up your data"? Be forewarned - I lost a year of important financial statements by trying this stupid little "trick".....
Seriously though, looks like all the Mac and (soon)Dell users are SOL on this one.
Escape Pod out of a USB Pen Drive anyone?
You didn't say it could possibly render the floppy unusable! I'm gonna sue you now! :-\
Due to the people at slashdot.org linking to this site without asking the owners or the hosters...
What, do these guys work for the Dallas Morning News?
These things actually fly pretty straight, if you throw 'em.
:)
These instructions could probably use improvement (for instance I was thinking snipping the neck where the saucer section attaches at the front might make it fit on better). Anyone feel like reworking the design a little, or providing more clarity?
Also, if anyone has ideas as to how one would make a Bird of Prey from the same parts, that would be appreciated.
Here I sit in a room with 6 PC's surrounding me. I figured I'd reach in to my desk and grab an old floppy and do this. None there. Look in the closet behind me....none there. When's the last time I actually used one? Musta been building a tomsrtbt disk about 8 months ago. Now i've got to really scavenge so I can build this useless little puppy.
If it ain't a Model M, it's a piece of crap.
Some additional instructions so you can make the U.S.S Enterprise 1701-D.
Well first don't remove the media from the medal disk thingie.
When the ship is assembled the media will cover the nacelles so just trim the saucer into an off-center oval with the metal disk thingie to one side.
If done somewhat correctly the saucer section will now be in somewhat accurate proportions to the hull.
As soon as I remeber where I put my camera, I will post some pics.
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I hope that they formatted the disks first!
There's a difference in people coming to a site and people swamping somebody's bandwidth for what really amounts to nothing. If slashdot wants to mirror it, I don't care, just don't rape my bandwidth.
You caught me.
you have to anticipate getting linked from major news sites.
Most major news sites will ask you before posting an article with a link to your site. I know this, because I've gotten asked by major news sites several times. (The exception to this rule was MSNBC, but go figure.)
Site owners budget their hardware and network capacity to handle the traffic they expect (or empirically determine). If they can afford to budget for a traffic spike of three orders of magnitude, they may do that. But the "little guys" obviously do not necessarily have the funds to do that.
With sufficient warning, the site owners might have been able to make arrangements in advance of the posting so their site could have survived.
A mirror sounds like a perfect idea, and wouldn't even suffer the artificial problems presented in the FAQ if you did it right. All you need is Apache configured to be a caching HTTP proxy and a regular web server at the same time. Using the ProxyPass and ProxyPassReverse directives, it would appear to users like any other mirror, except it'd be using HTTP caching rules to specify what can and cannot be mirrored/cached. So long as sites are using good cache-control policies, they'd never get Slashdotted...
Slashdot editors are just lazy.
Entry in the /. FAQ for this one:
http://slashdot.org/faq/suggestions.shtml#su900
Due to the people at slashdot.org linking to this site without asking the owners or the hosters, asciipr0n.com is offline until further notice. Maybe you guys should start mirroring the sites you link to...
Methinks they don't appreciate the attention.
If you can't see the value in jet powered ants you should turn in your nerd card. - Dunbal (464142)
and the whole point is that people come and see it.
Yes, and when the level of traffic spikes one day because of a Slashdot posting, and it makes your server and/or network link unable to service those requests, people will be unable to come and see it.
put up a password site and only let in those that you want in.
Or use an Apache::Throttle-type technique and limit the traffic to what your server and bandwidth is capable of. In this situation, they more or less did that (by hand), just by blocking the content that was being requested by the Slashdot readers. The rest of the site is up to service requests for "real" visitors.
slashdot should mirror the pages - but that in itself is nearly as retarded as the first complaint.
How is that retarded? It allows their article to remain available to Slashdot readers in the event the origin server is no longer able to serve it. Do you want an article with lots of interesting comments about a topic, or do you want an article with a bunch of comments saying "slashdotted!" A mirror would solve this problem. (A mirror can be created that doesn't suffer from the artificial problems discussed in the FAQ by combining a caching HTTP proxy with a web site front-end. To users it would appear as a mirror, but the server would treat it as a proxy, so it'd always be following HTTP caching rules and the site owner couldn't/wouldn't ever have grounds to complain.)
the fact is when a site is slashdotted nobody sees the ads
The "we don't wanna cache" reasons given in the FAQ are mostly artificial. There's no technological reason behind their decision not to mirror sites.
HTTP is designed such that resources can be cached. If they were to exploit that HTTP caching functionality and stick a mirror-like front-end on it, they could effectively cache most of the content and even preserve the ad-serving functionality of the target. (Assuming they had their cache-control headers set up properly.) To the site owner, they'd see a handful of their pages requested by the proxy, and a bazillion requests for their advertising (since that probably wouldn't be marked as cacheable). This is HTTP at work.
Something like this has been suggested for a while, and nobody's ever really explained why this isn't workable. IMO, the Slashdot editors are just lazy/insufficiently staffed. (For the record, most major news sites will inform you when they're about to link to you.)
Has anyone posted instructions how to make a mirror-site out of a 3.5" floppy?
;)
Hey, I'm inviting you all slashdot-readers to CommanderTaco's house, everyone is invited, and please take all your friends with you. Let's try to visit him together next sunday at noon, and ask if it might be possible to mirror those sites..
love slashdot. populate it. use it. abuse it. hate it. kill it. miss it. stop following links, they only kill servers.
So what disk did people make their Enterprises out of? Blank one? Windows boot disk?
I found a Redhat 3.0.3 root disk to make it out of. I don't think I'll be needing that anymore.
Being part of a community involves give and take. /. has done its fair of giving, so far as links to news and a place to comment is concerned. This has also involved more than a fair share of taking.
As a responsible net-citizen, though, the editors need to be far more considerate of other people. This is a clear case of inproper net behavior, something I would expect the newest AOL-newbie, spam producing, weenie to do.
Instead of complaining about how much spam you get everyday, Taco, why don't you do the community something useful and mirror the websites that you link to. We whine and complain about bad patents, spam, copyright abuse, monopolies, and then treat the net community with disrespect by effectively dos'ing random servers? It isn't funny anymore.
What are CAT 5's?
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
"I could try asking permission, but do you want to wait 6 hours for a cool breaking story while we wait for permission to link someone?" This does _not_ qualify as a breaking story, sorry. I just can't see slashdot's position on this one.
Recursive (adj.): see 'Recursive'
Its tough if they run a server on a 486, but its a very bad president if you have to ASK permission to link to websites... of course if someone were to make a bit torrent webserver..
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Ok, I'll go lease some rackspace in a nice multi-homed colo house and pay out the ass for bandwidth just so I can throw money away because of being put on slashdot. That sounds like a jolly time, jackass.
Excuse me, but I thought the point of putting up a webpage was so people could find it and view it. If you don't want it viewed without permission, shouldn't you password protect it? What is the differnce between slashdot handing out the link versus say... Google? Maybe they should have a disclamer on all their pages, "If you are reading this, please stop and send a message to the our webmaster and CC: our hosters to make sure you have permission. If you do not agree to these terms, please close this page now and flush your cache."
Just ripped apart 2 perfectly good floppies before succeeding in my mission...some words of advice from Science Officer Spock:
Exercise extreme caution while making "make little snips halfway through the metal". A slightly careless snip there and I managed to lob off half the neck. A kitchen knife's a better choice than scissors here.
\\// Live long and prosper
Also, some saucers have a thicker rim, in which case a slightly wider cut helps make sure the rim fits snugly in the snip. Otherwise you'll end up with a lopsided bridge.
I'm currently in severe pain... :-(
On Google!
Wow.. what a loss to the world (sensitive people avert your eyes before clicking)
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
The difference is two or three hundred views per day versus twenty thousand views in half an hour.
If I had something interesting enough on a webpage to drive massive amounts of traffic to it, I'd be happy, pround even, not whinny.
I just made a flat black flying saucer out of a floppy diskette. It is really cool. Here are the detailed instructions:
1. Take the square covering off
2. Done!
Table-ized A.I.
Sure, and what happens the first time that someone complains about mirroring their site without permission (or, more precisely, has their lawyers do it)?
As for asking permission, um, sure, as long as you want the stories to be days old, they could, I suppose, get permission first from every single place they link to.
You'd be proud until you saw the bandwidth bill. I don't give a shit if people look at it, I'd just like some common decency when sites that have a very very high readership, like slashdot, post a link to a site that's on a machine of mine. I highly doubt cnn.com would just blindly link to an external site knowing that the link would hit that site with boatloads of unexpected traffic. You're crazy to suggest that everybody that's ever put anything on the internet has taken into consideration getting a hundred thousand hits in one day, and that they should just smile and foot the bill for the bandwidth, happy as a damn lark.
Due to the people at slashdot.org linking to this site without asking the owners or the hosters, asciipr0n.com is offline until further notice. Maybe you guys should start mirroring the sites you link to...
How to summon the Borg with an old tampon.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Doesn't this harm the Microwave oven though?
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
There was this company that did EXACTLY what you are describing- and for the reasons of sites being Slashdotted. They burned some 70 million dollars in one year's time partly because they couldn't figure out how to sell the service (They kept trying to sell the dynamic content handling features when they should have been going directly after Akamai's business and then some...) and partly because the whole system was kind-of pricey to implement.
Why do I know about all of this? I used to work for this comany in question (epicRealm) and they laid off most of thier staff so they could change business plans from a content delivery network to an app accelerator (which the idea in question DOES work well at).
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Ok, so, wait, the hosters of the original site DON'T have to use any bandwidth AND they get the ad revenue? B.S.
Why put the Onus on Slashdot to fix the problem? If you can't fork up the bandwidth, you shouldn't get the $$$. If they let slashdot mirror Without ads maybe.....
Oh bull. A group of (image-laden) pages on my site got posted to Slashdot last year and it wasn't that big of a deal. Yeah, I had a few hundred thousand visitors, but that's why I have a hosting company that doesn't suck. So that people can actually -- gasp! -- get to what I put online.
If you don't want people to access their content, either don't put it on the Net or restrict access to it.
Buncha friggin' whiners...
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
A lot. Slashdot will never provide mirrors of the sites that they crush though. Why? Certainly not because of all of the technical issues listed in the FAQ... not even because of laziness. The simple reason is money. With a single post on slashdot being able to rapidly crush the allotted bandwidth of a midsize site, can you imagine the cost if Slashdot had to pay for all that bandwidth themselves? Furthermore, Slashdot can ONLY make money by collecting ad revenues for content links, without ever having to generate/host any content themselves. I.E. 1) Some guy put's a funny thing on the internet for his small loyal band of friends/admirers to laugh at. 2) Slashdot posts it, in order to generate more pageloads on their site for viewing the story and comments on the story. 3) The burden/cost of serving the content is born by the third party, who is often times noncommercial, and in some cases bears an EXTREME cost for exceeding his allotted bandwidth. 4) Slashdot makes money, the person who provides the content to allow them to do so loses out. 5) I imagine it's only a matter of time before the first person decides to do the research and find an approach which would allow suit for damages. In summary, Slashdot's business model as a .COM instead of a .ORG is grossly abusive. Think of it as a grand version of those people who build a porn site entirely from offsite image links. Were I a webmaster with anything accessible to the public, I would definitely reconfigure my server to redirect anyone with a referer from Slashdot to a very tiny ascii picture of my wang.
Of course, this doesn't mean I'll stop reading :)
a set of Appple OS 7.5.2 disks. The best part is minus disk tools there are thirteen disks.
Thirteen disks , thirteen Constitution Class Starships from the original show.
Damn I am such a dork.
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Isn't there any module to apache that would look up the HTTP referrer header of the request and if it comes from slashdot, display a minimum bandwidth ("slashdot sucks") version of the page?
i did heheh :D
...they could have been smart about it, and quickly changed it to a page of advertisements. That would probably have helped with their bandwidth bill.
Thanks for this mirror. When I saw how light the page was, I wondered how the site could have been slashdotted. Well, this is how:
This is still waaay under the bandwidth caps of most hosting accounts, but is probably more than anybody wants to serve in an hour. You've still got the rest of the month to go!
It all goes downhill from first post
Amazing but true...
John
I think anyone posting web pages/sites should be aware of the potential for the site attracting large numbers of viewers.
To think any other way is incredibly short-sighted!
Whether it's a surge in traffic brought about by one's "2 minutes of fame" on Slashdot, or simply because your new business starts catching on and everyone wants more info on your latest product - it's always a situation to consider.
I understand some people might simply be hosting their site off a home DSL connection, using personal web server or whatnot. Still, I'd expect these people to simply take the site down completely if it was innundated with traffic the bandwidth couldn't handle - and perhaps to seek out folks to kindly mirror it for them. Swapping your original pages with a page attacking Slashdot (or anyone else) for linking to it is in bad taste.
Yeah, we all complain about so-called "link nazis," jumping up and down about seemingly superfluous complaints about "deep linking," but we hop to the other side of the fence when Slashdot is involved.
Sure, it's technically possible to mirror a site easily enough, but your post doesn't even touch upon three other issues:
- Legal. As we've seen over and over again, mirroring a site qualifies as republishing that site, which is generally considered a violation of copyright law. Just ask the Scientologists what they think about that. Hell, they put legal pressure on Slashdot just for hosting an AC post.
- Philosophical. I'm sorry, but if you don't want anybody to see your website, what the heck are you doing publishing a website to begin with? People publish on the world wide web with both the knowledge that anybody could see your page at any time and the intent to take advantage of that. If you want to limit the people seeing your site, put a password on it. Or put a EULA on it. Better yet, put it on a VPN subnet. Hell, maybe you shouldn't be using HTTP to begin with.
- Economic. Guess what: Hosting a website costs money. I'm sure the admins at asciipr0n are well aware of that. Mirroring a page also costs money. Why should Slashdot (apparently barely able to keep their heads above water to begin with) take on the financial onus of re-publishing your material when you already implicitly agreed to handle that yourself when you published to begin with?
You want to publish freely on multiple servers without having to worry about administrative overhead? Post on a newsgroup. Want to control who has access to what files? Use FTP. Want to have a say in the order that pages on your site are viewed? Use gopher. If you decide to use the world wide web, you and only you are responsible for what happens because of it, no matter how much you whine.Sure, the author may say "yes," but he may also change his mind to "no" five minutes after you publish the mirror. And Slashdot would then be legally obligated to take down the mirror as of five minutes ago. If that's nto a bureaucratic clusterfuck in the making I don't know what is.
The world wide web is a pull media, meaning that the users decide what they want to see, when, and how much. If you want to have some sort of control over the user's experience that extends beyond your own servers, you're foolishly using the wrong media and in my opinion deserve what ever you get. I fail to see why Slashdot should be held responsible for the domain admin's foolish choices.
(Oh, wait, I just linked to their site without their permission! Should I have set up a mirror before I composed this post?)
Apppently some people do see Slashdotting as a DOS attack.
http://slashdot.org/faq/suggestions.shtml#su900
It doesn't look like the Enterprise to me, the warp nacelle pylons, warp nacelle, and engineering hull are all wrong. But I'm a picky ship critic.
Slashdot: Playing Favorites Since 1997
I don't get it. These guys put up a site, /. links to it, the site goes down do to heavy traffic. Perhaps they shouldn't have put the site up in the first place? The web is a *public* place folks. If they wanted to prevent it, they should've password protected it.
/. has prevented viewing of important stuff.
Anyways, I think it is funny that these guys act like
-Sean
Sorry but thems the breaks. You don't have to ask to link to someone's page. If you put up something in public space, people are free to link to it. I thought most services just refused access to your page if you went over your bandwidth anyways.
I hope you're not pretending to be evil while secretly being good. That would be dishonest.
If one more IRC fuck-stick uses /me again I'm gonna hunt them down and bitch-slap them.
/me hands btlzu2 a trout
People replying to my sig annoy me. That's why I change it all the time.
If you're tempted to do something like this at work, be aware that your cow-orkers may make fun of you over this. Be ready to defend your Trekliness if fighting breaks out. And by all means, if you do respond to any teasing for your devotion to all things Trek, please make sure that your cow-orkers know who to forward the mail to. The world will thank you :-)
DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL
I have yet to have a microwaved harmed by tossing a cd into it. I've done it a lot since it makes some cool sparks and a sweet looking pattern on the cd though.
It's also a good way of freaking out coworkers.
...so, why does people replying to your sig annoy you?
Zed's dead baby. Zed's dead.
Here's a link to how to make it on this Geoshitties page.
"Due to the people at slashdot.org linking to this site without asking the owners or the hosters, asciipr0n.com is offline until further notice. Maybe you guys should start mirroring the sites you link to..."
Now, how lame is that? "Without asking the owners", oh please...
1 Earth is warming, 2 It's us, 3 it's royally bad, 4 we need to take action NOW
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 17:55:40 +0000 From: Bob To: bonnie@asciipr0n.com Subject: No link?? Due to the people at slashdot.org linking to this site without asking the owners or the hosters, asciipr0n.com is offline until further notice. Maybe you guys should start mirroring the sites you link to... Maybe you should stay away from the internet you stupid fuck! Wait.. Maybe you got something there... Let's remove all links and pull the fucking plug on your weak ass host, bitch! Stick to making shit with floppies and forget about posting anything to the web you fucking retard. yeah thanks bonnie i made the site, it got slashdotted, the host got whiny
Set the oven for 'warp' factor 9.
http://sloth.flatface.net:441/~flatface/ent.jpg
This is the most useful thing I've done with a floppy for the past 3 years.
I can't believe this. This is the web, buddy. People will visit your site. Suck it up. Get a decent hosting solution. How hard is it? My site's been semi-slashdotted once, but my hosting provider didn't even flinch. Served over 12,000 files in a few hours. And if I hit my bandwidth limit (6 gigs), they don't just start charging me more, they stop serving until either the end of the month, or I buy more bandwidth. And I'm hosting photographs!
.htaccess file is for.
Hyperlinks are the reason the web works. Nobody needs anybody's "permission" to link to your page! If you put it up on the web, it's fair game. That's your implied consent - nay, invitation - for people to come visit your site. Why would you put something on the web if you didn't want people to see it? And even then, that's what a
Cripes.
Like woodworking? Build your own picture frames.
The difference between CNN linking to a site and /. linking to a site is that there is no such thing as the "CNN Effect" while the "Slashdot Effect" is such a well-known phenomenon it has been written up by a university physicist.
We're not talking an occasional spike in traffic: everytime /. links to an article, that site is hit and hit hard. With the current linking policy (i.e. none), /. inadvertently becomes a DoS portal with us slashdrones the zombified clients.
/. should have taken care of this a long time ago.
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mirroring their site without permission
This is a non-issue. If your site is expressing HTTP headers that indicate a willingness to be cached, HTTP proxies should be free to cache! The fact that a proxy can have a web front-end (making it look and act like a mirror) doesn't make it any less of a caching proxy.
If they're that anal about their content and want to prevent it from being cached by HTTP proxies, they're more than welcome to do that by expressing a "no-cache" flag in their cache-control headers, which would make a mirroring solution based off of HTTP caching technologies impossible for them, which means they'd get Slashdotted, and they'd deserve it.
Why put the Onus on Slashdot to fix the problem?
Because Slashdot is causing the problem. Because Slashdot readers are unable to view the articles that Slashdot is posting. Because comments about pages that are now offline are invariably less interesting than comments about pages that the posters can read.
hosters of the original site DON'T have to use any bandwidth AND they get the ad revenue?
HTTP was always envisioned to work like this. Every ISP could have a set of HTTP proxies for both inbound and outbound HTTP requests. The proxy would cache in either direction, honoring HTTP's cache-control headers while doing so. Static content would invariably be cached at one or more proxies between the origin server and the end user, while more dynamic content would be passed through.
As unfair as it may sound to you, HTTP was meant to work this way. It's a shame that the real world hasn't implemented things that way. All I'm really talking about here is a non-conventional HTTP proxy.
And on top of that, what is the point of immediately hearing about something if it takes 6 hours for the page to load?
I've suggested this but Taco Shot it down.
I personally think every story posted should go into a users journal.
That way people can develop fan clubs and post good info all day long instead of being shot down by the editors.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
mirroring a site qualifies as republishing that site, which is generally considered a violation of copyright law.
If you're publishing a document through HTTP, you are implicitly agreeing to allow your document to be redistributed as the HTTP specification designed. If your web site is providing a document, and providing cache-control headers that indicate that document will not change in the next 5 minutes, you are implicitly allowing for servers acting as caching HTTP proxies to cache that document and serve it up to clients that request it, until that 5 minutes expires and the proxy has to re-request (or just re-validate) it.
If your "mirror" acts as a caching HTTP proxy, in that it's following the HTTP caching specifications, there are no legal issues whatsoever.
If someone wishes to defeat the mechanism, all they have to do is express a "no-cache" cache-control header, and the "mirror" ceases to function as a caching proxy.
if you don't want anybody to see your website, what the heck are you doing publishing a website to begin with?
They do want people to see their site. When Slashdot readers bring it down due to the large volume of requests, nobody can see their site. In order to restore service, they have to somehow mitigate the damage, which I believe these guys did by taking the page down. Their site recovered.
I fail to see why Slashdot should be held responsible
I look at the situation differently than you do. I'm not holding Slashdot "responsible" so much as I'd like to see Slashdot be a little more courteous towards those that they link to, and towards the readership who might like to read the articles Slashdot is linking to.
The mirror/cache idea is meant to combat the availability issue. I'm not trying to save the site owner so much as I'm pushing for a way that Slashdot readers can still have access to the articles. The result is the same, but my motive is a little more selfish.
So CmdrTaco picks a sleepy Sunday Morning to /. a site. Well, it is disseminating information to individuals; each had to click on it to get it. All CmdrTaco did was to bring the link into public view. Kinda the same thing businesses pay advertising agencies big bux for. If the site admin does not want the publicity, no biggie, but blame CmdrTaco for it?? nah. Not in my book. Not at all.
Its well known in the /. community that /. is extremely current; that is that things often get on the system within hours, if not minutes, of its occurrence, often beating out other well-known news agencies, as the very people involved in making the news are often /.'ers themselves.
Well, its a public site. The sysadmin has the option of closing his site if he's getting far more traffic than he wants. No biggie. Just bookmark the site and visit later when the hordes are gone. Sports venues do this all the time when traffic exceeds capacity. Its called "sold out".
You usually put stuff on the net if you want to expose it publically. I think CmdrTaco did them a service by exposing it to /.'ers. I can not find /.'ing a site any more offensive than storming a Burger King with several busloads of kids during a summer outing. ( Yes, I've done that. )
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
Yep! asciipr0n.com sure showed Slashdot! Now the Slashdot readers will never get to know the true pleasure of boring digitized images of Playboy models circa 1970. What a blow to boredom and lameness everywhere!
But there's an additional, ultimate irony about this. They're complaining that Slashdot linked to them without permission, asciipr0n.com has a link to ASCII Art Farts but never asked for permission themselves! Um, a little hypocritical, maybe?
You should try making things out of those old coaxual terminators (like these ones http://www.d-m.com/images/coaxcon.gif ) You can make heaps of cool things like robots out of them and lots of places have them left over as they have moved onto cat-5.
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"Maybe you guys should start mirroring the sites you link to..."
That would be the polite thing to do. You wouldn't have to mirror the entire site, just the first page that is linked to would be fine (including images of course). The mirror should stay up as long as the original page is linked from the front page of slashdot.org. After the story moves off the front page the mirror could be deleted and the link would point to the original site.
I know this could be expensive for slashdot.org, but maybe it would lead to some Quality over Quantity for stories that actually get posted here.
Sounds familiar, matter of fact, I said the very same thing :)
damn these guys guys are touchy .....crap about mirroring sites and permission to link.
Whats the world coming to?....repsonilbility?(sp)
lick the cancle button (at least thats what our Chinese QA says)
This happens all the time. While slashdot itself doesn't mirror, ever noticed that several readers may mirror the article/whatever so *we* still get to read it while the original site owner is off trying to sell their children to pay for the bandwidth bill. Mirroring by proxy, basically.
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Because the text is a small percentage of the bandwidth of the page. This case is like 1k. The real bogging down comes from the image links, making up over 50k. Lots and lots of hits will make that a real problem.
And that would solve the 5000 pound gorilla problem. --People getting hammered with unexpected $500 over-run fees? That'd screw some people pretty badly. (Does this still happen? Do Hosting companies still nail people like that?)
Either way, the Gods Of Slashdot should look into it. It think it's a solid idea. It's responsible.
And anyway, I sooo wanted to see a starship made out of junk. It is a slow day. .
-Fantastic Lad
Everyone's griping about the whole mirroring situation and lack of a policy.
;) Sound good?
This story presented a good way for ISOs to be distributed.
Everyone and their grandma is looking for a way to "legitimize" P2P sharing without involving music.
Why doesn't slashdot start a P2P mirror. Simple gzip the page that's cool to look at, and host it via bittorrent or kazaa. Bandwidth gets shared among the slashdot community, and no site gets hit too hard (except google, which will invaribly be linked to by people who insist on posting google cache links in nearly every discussion
The problem with mirroring sites is the whole copyright issue. In order to mirror the site, slashdot would have to make sure they were not displaying any copyrighted information without permission. So they would have to not only obtain permission from the site author to copy his information, but to be safe, they would have to make sure they weren't displaying any copyrighted information themselves.
By the time the process was done it wouldn't be news anymore.
-> Fritz
Spooooon!!!!!
I just made a Klingon battle cruiser out of an old Zip® disk. Picture below:
Woops. I guess it's cloaked.
Not anymore it's not!
--civil disobedience has an honored and checkered past, both of those things. The civil rights movement as a recent example. Under these new laws, you would have needed to put millions of people into "camps". Would that have been correct? Which was truly the larger crime, millions of people victimized for generations by government, or some of the protests they did? The beginnings AND the end of liquid drugs-alcohol-prohibition were accompanied by mass protests that at times "blocked the streets". Arrested those millions, 25 to life? Women's suffrage for the vote, so they actually could be represented in a representative republic (it's not a democracy in the US in theory). US veterans after ww1 camping out in washington DC, "blocking" this or that as they strove for anything, any scraps, to ease them through the depression. Lots of examples, would we put all those people in camps from 25 years to a life sentence? You would, because they blocked your street in a protest? Or breaking a window? Hmm, I am thinking, say i was some black guy way back then, I am told I can't vote, even though the law says I can, I know i can be caught in the white side of town and beat up or lynched, even by members of the government, and no one will care. personally, I would have thought stronger things than just marrching and breaking glass were in order, thnakfully millions more just took it, kept it to a more civil manner, and shamed millions of other americans into finally admitting that perhaps they had a point or two to make. Was it really all that wrong?
Now , conversely, why is it "legal" that 50,000 people are "allowed" to completely "block traffic" and generally screw it up at all the surrounding streets at professional sports stadiums? Because there's money involved? Suppose you don't like that sport or team, suppose that you have business, need to get someplace, and just wish to get from point A to B across town, but the roads are hoplessly blocked artifically? I happen to like individual sports of some kinds, but I detest team sports, professional or (ha ha) non professional college team sports. Can't tell ya how many times I have been blocked by those yahoos. Oh, the diofference is they never get drunk and stupid and violent and trash cars and stores over a freaking ball game? Hmm, well, yes they do a lot of times. How exactly then is that different? Under this new law, 25 to life for the entire crowd at the stadium under the oregon law, re-read the fine print in that thing again, it's in there. Or some concert, pick any genre, just the big crowds, again, artifically blocking somone's "way", and definetly planned and organized in advance,a "conspiracy" if you will, but still, a hassle if you don't want to participate and just be on your way? What gives them the right to do that, to subvert government, impede others business and travel, and get away with it? Oh ya, "money", the organizers pay bribes or "permits" to the government so that they can infringe on my rights, but see, with the bribe it's "legal" then, and a lot of people think it's cool, but a lot more DON'T, but the blocking still occurs, yes? How about when some bogus fatcat VIP and his equally bogus entourage have the roads blocked so they can cruise by in their Limos? Is that "legal" to do? It happens, why is that not "blocking the normal traffic"?
The reason why mass "civil" disobedience needs to be tolerated occassionally is, even if that particular action is not one of anyone "yours" pet peeves, is quite simple, it's usually about the last straw for redress of grievences that some x-huge numbers of people have after exhausting all other normal legal avenues to be heard,when "the vote" and letters to the editor and haranguing their reps and yada yada just plain hasn't worked, and them desiring to become "unvictimized" or for some other reason of serious import. This "civil disobedience" comes as the last step before before mass "uncivil" disobedience occurs, as a general historical note of data. Look around the world, places tha
Accually your very correct.. The site didn't crash, everyone got to see his little tirad about "not asking Permission" If the guy get's a bill for going over his Bandwidth limit it's the price he pays for not just pulling the plug... :)
Just Limin' Mon
Ouch! Hit with the -1 by a rabid Trekkie. :)
I could comment on how that reinforces my argument...
But, sheesh, can't anyone take a joke?
"Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
On April 1st, two DJs were arrested after announcing that eminem would be appearing at a local biglots, causing a huge number of people to show up at biglots.
The DJs were charged with both fraud (because it was an april fools joke) and deprevation of business (because they effectively shut down biglots)
It's only a matter of time before slashdot gets sued for slashdotting a website.
If anything, slashdot is repeatedly guilty of orchestrating DoS attacks.
i bet hundreds of floppy disks are now dead because of you people! how would you like if come one came and turned you into an Enterprise! I my self would like it very much. :P
>can you imagine the cost if Slashdot had to pay for all that bandwidth themselves?
Yes and no. Slashdot has already posted bittorrent files before. If the editor thinks the site might fail he could zip it and torrent it. Put it up on a some server and let the slashdot community swarm.
Slashdot could do a lot to raise awareness for the bittorrent project.
Read this comment A ddos attack is just that, an attack. Linking is perfectly legal and it's part of the framework of the internet.
I hope you're not pretending to be evil while secretly being good. That would be dishonest.
There is a difference between who is "at fault" for an event, and the primary cause of the event. The mere act of one person clicking on a link is insignificant. The primary cause is the posting on Slashdot.
The facts remain:
As far as rallys and protests go, those against the war are far less attended than those who support the war. [glennbeck.com]
Poll after poll after poll [washingtonpost.com] has shown an overwhelming support for the President and the war.
The war protestors are in a clear minority, are being dealt no injustice, and want to circumvent the political process with violence and economic disruption. This should be very illegal. All of these protests you mentioned were heald because there was no other way of correcting an injustice. The law-breaking done by anti-war protestors is the result of a minority wanting to write foreign policy, undermine the current elected government, and force the will of the minority on the rest of the people. That's the difference.
Facts? Propaganda pushed by a small cabal of high ranking public and private people to distort, deny and obfuscate some of the origins of the 9-11 attacks, to keep some of the high level involvement by white guys in suits out of the US consciousness as much as possible? We are supposed to ignore the evidence that exists that show this? Facts like both saddam and osama are creations of and funded by these same people? That the KLA we armed, trained and supported was just another example of a narco terrorist gang being used as mercenaries, and that these people were in fact "al queda bad guys"? We are supposed to reward the people and shadowy political/military/industrial groups who armed and supported and trained the various "terrorists" we are fighting now? We are supposed to ignore the fact of trillions of dollars and mass political command and control as being part of the over-all big picture? Past overwhelming evidence of high level scams and lies being used to nudge nations into actions?
The hegelian dialectic is alive and well, and is part of the new "war on everything" which means the very rights we are supposedly "protecting" in the middle east are now seriously being trampled on and denied to the US people. Exactly how dumbed down are some of us supposed to go? Is there a bottom cut off limit anyplace?
Yes, the polls do indeed indicate a majority of the US people are not aware of any of that reality and awreness and information, and that they can be easily swayed with jingoism and advanced and sophisticated advertising. I am not lauding that as some sort of proof or something to be proud of, in fact, I am seriously embarrased over my own nations over-all level of awareness and sophistication.
Yes, osama and saddam are some serious badguys, no argument there. I think first we should prosecute the white guys in suits who armed and supplied them for years, to expose all the evidence, not just bits and pieces of the evidence that "they" want us to be focused on, then we can show the world the US is both honest and righteous again. Go to war then if needs be, do it legally and according to our real laws, but not before then.
Do that, and do it honestly, you'll see "the polls" reflect a slightly different set of "beliefs".
The URLs for all I have said and allude to have been posted repeatedly on slashdot, no need to repost them. Even a simple google search on "government prior knowledge, 9-11" or similar will take you to any number of places that have the evidence, said evidence not being shown to the US public in any meaningful way. There are deliberate lies, and lying by omission, those "polls" show what happens when both those techniques are used on a mass scale against a targeted audience.
You want a war against the "badguys", I can agree. Before that war though let's do a bit more "uncovering" of some basic truths, and not go off half cocked in reichstagg induced mania version 2.0. Let's not stop looking at just people who speak arabic and farsi, let's keep looking at people who speak american english, british english, russian, chinese, hebrew and yiddish, german, french, spanish and so on, at whatever level it takes, and let the chips fall
Everythings a conspiracy, isn't it? Sounds like the mind confusing tactics of a Dictator hell bent on denying the facts and explaining them away with fuzzy logic and conspiracy theories.
Also, where do you get off calling everyone stupid. This country was founded on the principle that the public could be trusted to rule themselves. Your comments are proof of the fact that you hate democracy and you hate America.
Whenever you see pro-war rallies, you see Americans wrapped in American flags singing American songs. Whenever you see anti-war protestors you see foreign flags, and hatred for our American leader.
Excuse me for believing in the American vision that a people could rule themselves. Will you please be my dictator?
This isn't the sig you are looking for... Carry on...
ONE friking diskette in the hole office!
hmmm... what's that?
"HP Laserjet Drivers"?
hmmmmmmmmmmm
"If I have been able to see so far, It is because I went out and bought a damn binoculars" - Ze da Esquina
This certainly is "News for Nerds"
now, how about some "Stuff that matters" ?
What? Me? Worry?
you can turn the floppy into a starship WITHOUT using scissors if you wrap the head mast supports "wrapped around the top from the bottom and putting the 'very thin' strips through the center hole in the ship bridge/head"
-- Betting on the survival of the media industry is a serious risk. I advise investing elsewhere.
--I don't deal in theory, I deal in data. Data. Facts. Not reactionary and racist jingoism. Insults gain you nothing, and I have no desire to rule you, but the contrary is true, don't even think about trying to rule me, even if they give you a nice new brownshirt uniform.
Basically, take your political ludditism and shove it, now go play with the other "good germans" in your "neighborhood watch group". And by all means keep waving those plastic flags made in china, that's just so patriotic.
You want civility, offer it, you offer a closed fist and demand I kowtow to some absurd 6th grade level drunken political analysis, wrapped in a flag that you claim as your own but deny to anyone not a lock stepper with your own points of view, well, you can have it. I don't support dictators, especially dictators in my own nation. You can support them all you want to, and stay ignorant of verifiable data. Rah rah rah go team, nuke those filthy ay-rabs, right?
Oh, that doesn't apply to you, but "my kind" are..whatever you think? Like how dare anyone expend an effort to go beyond a surface level understanding of events?
I dare, too bad.
Go ahead and get your "das fatherland security" last word. I'm done on this thread, keep on trolling, hey, maybe a job will come up you can become an interrogator, get to use those nifty "stress and duress" techniques, just like saddam's bully boys and the bully boys at gitmo use? Right up your alley, good luck in your new career!
This country was founded with checks and balances on the populace itself, hence the electoral college. Sorry, but we were *not* "founded on the principle that the public could be trusted to rule themselves".
-uso.
Dreams, dreams, don't doubt dreams, dreaming children's dreaming dreams. Sailor Moon SS
http://hellspawn.no-ip.com:85/slash/enterprise.htm
./'ed site. Most ./'ed folks wouldn't ahve bothered.
which, BTW, I got from a link posted at the
Mirror: http://students.washington.edu/koogunmo/starship/
The black write protect tab can double as a shuttle pod.
Regards,
Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
I think copyright lawers were sent here to put a stop to all the good things humanity might do if left to its own devices. --I think they were the ones who, as Douglas Adams once put it, nailed to a piece of wood the guy who suggested that everybody be nice to everybody else for a change.
-Fantastic Lad
I think it would also lower the number of dupes, which is one of the reasons it won't happen.