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Bombing the Moon for Water
s20451 writes "In 1998, NASA scientists deliberately crashed the Lunar Prospector into the Moon, in a
failed attempt to detect traces of water allegedly hiding in deep craters at the lunar south pole.
Now the BBC is reporting a new proposal to attack the lunar poles with "Bunker Buster" missiles to liberate a detectable amount of water. Called Polar Night, the mission is being proposed as part of the "Discovery" series of probes."
They aren't going to attack the poles with "Bunker Buster" missles.
They're going to emplant "scientific equipment" "...a few meters below the surface of the moon."
Using "...probes are based on bunker-buster penetrators."
And when compared with the cost of sending up a [wo]man to dig a six foot hole for the same information, it sounds terrific. Let's Terraform!
What about those treaties about not putting weapons in space?
First Iraq, then North Korea, and now the moon! The Lunans are conspiring against our interests abroad! Conspiracy, I say!
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
new proposal to attack the lunar poles with "Bunker Buster" missiles to liberate a detectable amount of water.
We must free the water from its evil ruler Saddam Moonsein.
They should give UN weapons inspectors more time!
The Moon has been added to the infamous "Axis of Evil" group...
.....the US has to make up some stuff about how the moon has WMD, supports terrorism, and insinuate that it was somehow involved in 9/11.
I fail to see the benefits of exposing trace amounts of water from the moon at the cost of destroying a small portion of it. The fact that we've already detected it proves it's there.
Guess what I just found out! It ends up there is lots of water on earth, and it's not even protected by rocks. No need to blow the place up to get it! ^^
okay, anyway, the only purpose for looking for water is to find life on the moon. By using missiles to release the water, we blow up any life we may have found, just a thought....
YOU SUCK BALLS!
Really, my... fellow americans. *stares at camera* I strongly believe that the moon is currently harbouring all kinds... of weapons of mass destruction. They most definitely have nucular weapon facilities. They are a threat to our way of life, to our liberty... and to the liberty... of all the free people of the Earth *blank stare* And so it is with great sadness, but firmness of purpose, that we must carry on, with the help of God, and rid the solar system of weapons of mass destruction.
George
Carpe Diem
Simply put: if you didn't get any exciting results by hitting it, hit it again, harder.
(This was basically how I learned about ants, broken glass and blood as a tyke. Smack ants with a bottle. Smack them harder and it broken, cutting two fingers rather badly. Besides the lesson about how glass brakes into sharp bits, I learned the proper way to smack ants was with a hammer.)
So we discover bunker buster bombs (though delivered by jets and carrying large warheads) are pretty effective at turning over the garden, buildings, toppling dictators (he's not really dead, y'know, he just started the evening shift down the street at 7-11, relieving Elvis), etc. Fun, just like smacking ants! Now hitting the moon with a small probe was pretty exciting, but the novelty wore off. Hit the moon with a bigger hammer and see what happens! That's probably really and exciting idea, but like the ants probably felt (assuming they could) indigant about their fellows being hammered, I'm not at all down with someone smacking the moon just to see what color dust they kick up.
Maybe I subscribe (now that I'm older, don't hammer ants (as much) anymore) to the school of learn what you can without being destructive. I'd be someone bummed if after a few years of these rascals rationalizing and throwing bombs at the moon if it changed its appearance. In other words, there's gotta be a better way, try a little harder to figure it out without resulting to violence against my bud the moon.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
There is no moon. There never was a moon. We are winning the war. The moon is painted on the sky by evil Americans to confuse us. There is no moon.
And in related news, NASA officials recently announced an exploratory campaign will be taking place in Syria next week.
"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." -Voltaire
...to get all UN Inspectors off the moon before the ground assault begins?
one two three four five ?!! That's the combination on my luggage!
And after bombing the moon, I plan to extract oranges from the SUN with my huge beowulf cluster! YES! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
In Soviet Russia, beowulf clusters imagine YOU!
Bombing the moon? Finally: some astronomy that the Bush camp can get behind.
"I am so ashamed to be from the same state that Johnson space center is in." - Natalie Maines
Would you miss it? really?
"The crows seemed to be calling his name, thought Caw."
...pictured Slim Pickens on a bomb in a space suit riding towards the moon yelling "whoo hoo", a la Dr. Strangelove?
It's the one in the 'Shock testing' section.
I sure hope the safety is on... Either way, I don't think I would stand directly under that thing.
(Apologies to those of you who get there after the site has died and can't see the pictures. I'm just an insensitive clod.)
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
they will use bunker busting bombs.. the point is that these bombs are used against man-made structures.. and they are much easier to penetrate than solid ground.
The bomb might have to be a nuclear one. Another question is about the delivery capability. Moon does'nt have oxygen. Therefore this bomb will need to have its own oxygen system.
The place they bomb and the place where the spacecraft is located has to be some distance apart. The dust(?) created from this bomb will linger far longer than earth because of moon's gravity.
man, some people have too much monaaay. i thought we were experiencing global warming? the water'll still be good! and just how are they planning to bring it all back to earth if they find some? each missle costs $145,000 too!
They work better than the probes they sent to mars...
So long as they won't fire their probes in my property I'm fine with the idea. Altough it really does sound corny.
Yes Of Course!! The water on the moon floats on top of the oil....
My mother in law is worse than yours...and yes I will trade!
what a luna(r)tic idea ;)
Don't be a sentimental idiot. The moon is a big, sterile rock. Blowing up 1/10000000th of it won't have any negative effects whatsoever... meteors crash onto its surface regularly, you know.
occultae nullus est respectus musicae - originally a Greek proverb
When do the bookies start taking bets on which chain will be the first to expand to the moon? Hilton Storms? Best Western - Sea of Tranqulity?
Jason
ProfQuotes
..."Saddam Hussein is alive and well in a bunker on the moon, Mr. President."
Polar Night? It sounds like Nasa's been playing with the Military Operation Name Generator.
TAKE THAT MOON !
Crisis is the rule, not the exception.
They have to send in Hans Blix and his team of "weapons inspectors" to make sure that the Moonies don't have any WMD's.
No TiVo and no caffeine make me something something...
Let's say these "bunker buster" probes are fired, hit the surface of the moon, and shatter. What then? Or what happens when they don't penetrate? Hell, they might penetrate so well that this entire experiment becomes like the lost sopository scene in "Trainspotting". Why are they looking for water up there any way. We all know it's nothing but cheese.
I think they are really just trying to find a better source for cheese.
Little know fact: The cheese mines on earth are dwindling
Gotcha now, Saddam!! Thought you finally found a place to hide, well, you're in for a surprise now!!
Bet it's hard to get good hookers on the moon, too! eros guide has no "moon" section yet, and cel phone reception SUCKS!
Well Saddam, if you are up there, at least your days are numbered now, and you have no access to hookers.
"Fine, I'll go build my own lunar lander! With blackjack and hookers! In fact, forget the lunar lander and the blackjack!" - Bender
Compared to war, all other forms of human endeavor shrink to insignificance. God, how I love it. - Gen. George Patton
Aren't these bunker buster bombs a tad heavy?
funny munging
Iraqi intelligence officials are reporting that the moon intends on defending itself against the crusaders to the end, and has already prepared the graves for thousands of imperialist satans.
What a coincidence...didnt China just say very recently they were going to the moon to see if they could mine resources? Dont bother setting up an embassy on the moon China....because oops that pesky metric system always throws us off.
...they are so anti-US on the moon. I think this is also what will eventually cause the Martians to invade. I mean, after they see how we treat our own moon...
"So *that's* where Baghdad Bob is hiding", but with all the other comments, it's sorta moot.
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
This is just what we need as our first contact with the moon people!
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
Is anyone else having flashbacks to the book/movie "The Time Machine"?
So who gets to live underground and who gets to be food?
Natural != (nontoxic || beneficial)
I think you meant, "There is no spoon."
Laws are for people with no friends.
I can see the presidential press conference now:
"It is imperitive that we deal the Moonites a crippling blow in decisive fashion.
I can see them up there. They wave tubes of toothpaste at me.
They speak to me.
No! My thoughts are my own!"
Dewey, you fool! Your decimal system has played right into my hands!
(Reuters) In other news, NASA unveiled plans today to hit Geraldo Rivera over the noggin with a ball-peen hammer to see if any brains could be detected in the ensuing plume. Critics claim that the odds of success are too small to warrant the effort.
My
Limekiller
Look's like they've been pilfering evil plans from my filing cabinet again!
"One MILLION dollars!"
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
BOMBING the MOON for WATER.
I mean, holy crap, sure, sign me up! What's the worst that could happen, right?
dinosaur comics
So now they're bombing the Poles with bunker busters? Who knew THEY were in the axis of evil?
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
We just need to strike back at the Moon for what they did to the World Trade Center on 9/11.
That or attack those Moonenites for keying the Camaro on Aqua Team Hunger Force.
riding round the world on an old motorcycle
Tell Bush the moon contains oil. The 101st would be landing there in a week.
As for bombing it, Fsck the moon. I hope they blow that bitch into oblivion. It's always up there, looking down on me, trying to read my mind, telling me to do naughty things.
lobbing ordnance at the moon is probably the only way the US won't be able to either kill its own people or its allies. although i have a sinking feeling that the rocket will burn up somewhere ofer England and waste some british troops.
I think you meant, "There is no spoon."
do sporks exist ?
This is where we GO TO FAR and blow up our own moon and as it comes crashing down upon us I dive back into my time machine and go even farther into THE FUTURE
Ave Molech Setting
I guess we'll be seeing BUS carved into the moon's surface. No one will ever forget the President who tattooed the moon.
I am tired of the evil-eye that the Man on the Moon has been giving me.
Entropy just isn't what it used to be.
Well, one would hope that the good folks at NASA have a little more scientific background than you did as a child trying to whack ants with a glass bottle.
I suspect this is, as usual, a case of the news media not really understanding/grasping the whole story. They hear something about a "bunker buster missle" and the moon, and immediately say "NASA wants to blast the moon with missles!"
As another Slashdot reader already posted, the plan appeared to actually be using a few of these missles as an easy way to implant monitoring devices beneath the moon's surface. (Sounds a lot cheaper and more effective than trying to fly some sort of drilling/mining equipment there to get the job done, don't you think?)
Jupiter and Mars threaten to veto any resolution authorizing use of force by NASA to 'liberate' water.
In response to the administration's claim that Mars was a 'traitor', other planets and satellites stated "we will wait to see the if the next comment also comes from Uranus, and then make our decision."
Everyone will start to cheer when you put on your sailin' shoes.
They aren't going to attack the poles with "Bunker Buster" missles.
Yeah, they already did that about 60 years ago.
did anyone ever see "the Time Machine" ???
in the scene where the guy goes to the future and sum dumbass decides to bomb the moon to make underground living quarters.. the result of which ended up destroying civilization?
the moon is your friend!! who cares if there is water on it or not!
C:\earth\humans\del *.m0ronz
Anybody remember the episode of geeks in space that talked about "Nuking the moon".
Sounds like things are being predicted....
This must mean that Y2K has yet to happen...
Y2K+4?
I got nothin'.
Explosions are rapid combustions. They require heat, fuel and oxygen. Our atmosphere has oxygen, the moon doesn't even have an atmosphere. With oxygen missing, the bomb will simply drop and lie still forever and the mission will fail."Houston, we made a boo boo"
Whatever happened to the brilliant people who put the Pioneer probes into space? Now THOSE were feats of engineering!
Learn from the mistakes of others. There isn't enough time to make them all yourself.
didn't any of you see the movie of "the time machine" directed by H.G. Wells' grandson?
go U.S.A! we're totally going to KICK THE MOON'S ASS!!!
Does your mind not instantly flash to the scene from "The Time Machine" when the moon broke apart?
"Times may change, but standards must remain the same." - George Carlin.
I saw this once in a movie. I think it blows the moon into big chunks which come down on the earth. Or was that a children's breakfast cereal commercial? Mmm. Marshmellow moon chunks.
Job? I don't have time to get a job! Who will sit around and bitch about being broke and unemployed then?
We should probably promote this as a "Ravine Change."
M@
Krispy Cream is people
nuke the sun for chickens. We need more chickens.
"Where there's a pyramid, there's a pint of fish"
http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2003/01/13/tomo/s tory.jpg
http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/ LEAVE THE MOON ALONE. =/
actually I am happy to see you, however that is in fact a banana in my pocket.
As a Frenchman, I cannot support this unilateral decision to liberate water from the moon. We must give the inspectors more time so we can better cover up our involvement with the moon. In the mean time, we (in France) are boycotting lawn darts in protest because we will not glamourize lobbing missiles at the moon.
However, should the Americans find water on the moon, we'll completely reverse our position.
"Derp de derp."
Could you just hear the NASA people say, "darn knew we forgot something..."
They're NOT GOING TO BOMB THE MOON!
All the article said was that they're going to drop a few ground-penetrating probes from orbit... they just use tips engineered for "bunker-busting" bombs so the probe doesn't shatter into thousands of shiny pieces when it hits the surface.
In other words, there are NO EXPLOSIVES, just scientific instruments.
As for childlike, well, most adults will actually read the article before posting. :)
"The instruments were recently shock tested in the New Mexico desert by firing them at high speed into 2 metres (6 feet) of plywood, where they experienced 1200 G's of shock and worked perfectly afterwards."
Is that 1200 Earth G's, or 1200 Lunar G's?
And after their other fiasco, you would expect them to use metric units only.
Chip H.
(Whitehouse - AP)
Talks with the lunar polar ice caps have broken down. George Bush has added the lunar polar ice caps to the axis of evil. When questioned in a whitehouse news conference Ari Fleischer replied, "Well, with Saddam presumabley pushing up daisies we the state department decided that only two evil nations left, an axis it does not make. And it was either France or the lunar polar ice caps. Powell finally got George to declare for the moon."
(Pyongyang - AP)
Pyongyang has declared that war is on the horizon for the US and North Korea. Leader Kim Jong stated before crowd that the NKPA will destroy the imperialistic American pig dogs for the insult of being grouped with the lunar polar ice caps. "Screw the nuclear missile crap and extortion of cash from the US cause our economy is failing, this final insult means war. We will send more plane to harass those spy planes flying over the ocean we don't control!"
(Iran - AP)
No word from Iran today, presumabley because they are too busy beating their women and oppressing their people.
Norris/Palin 2012
Fact: We deserve leaders who can kick your ass and field dress your carcass.
Just how exactly do you expect a Massive Ordnance Air Blast to work without the air? For those that need to be reminded... read
Have you thought for yourself today?
David: We have the technology; The time is now; science can wait no longer; the children are our future. America can, should, must and will blow up the moon.
Bob: Yeah. And we'll be doing it during a full moon so we make sure we get it all.
I don't need large brains to have a good time.
Too bad they screwed that all up. The moon is drifting away from the Earth and there is nothing we can ever do about it. Ever.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
Isn't earth like 3/4 water already? We have plenty. Why do we need to mess with the moon?
Most Definitely!!!
And I'm only 18.
its...uhhhh...ummmm....
Is it me or does this story make you want to play Scorched Earth?
when he said the US was going to act against the moon.
Did anyone actually read the friggin article? They don't want to bomb the moon. The bombs will not be filled with explosives. They will be filled with scientific equipment to detect water. They're just going to drop them into crevices.
Ok... string me up for not reading my own linked article through... its not the best description... an air blast weapon gets most of it's explosive power by dispersing a fine mist of a highly reactive agent over a large area using the oxygen in the surrounding atmosphere as the oxidant. Thus... no air... no boom, in all reality I would bet that most if not all conventional explosives would fail to detonate in space due to the lack of atmospherically supplied oxygen... any demolitions experts here that can answer this?
Have you thought for yourself today?
Not to pile on or anything, but dust settles very quickly on the moon because, as you may have heard, there's NO ATMOSPHERE there.
You're absolutely right! It doesn't instantly flash to the scene from "The Time Machine" when the moon broke apart!
Hitting the moon with a bunker buster is not dissimilar in scale to hitting the Earth with a low-yeild nuclear device. And we've done that bunches.
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
Ah yes, mankinds neverending quest for places to "liberate" goes on.
Yeah they needed it to have an excuse for a large military. Lucky for them though 9/11 came and so they had an excuse to start a new war, "on teror". This is just the cold war of the new age. Another excuse for a large military.
"It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
I can see how NASA plan came into effect, it was a simple meeting between George Tenet(CIA Director) and Donald Rumsfeld.
Rumsfeld: Tenet where is Osama Bin Laden?
Tenet: I have no clue! Maybe he's on the Moon? Hah.
Rumsfeld: Really?
Later that night...
Rumsfeld: Mr. President, I know where Osama Bin Laden is.
Bush: Where?
Rumsfeld: On the Moon!
Bush: BOMB THEM!!!
...of today....all the references are to the crappy "Time Machine" remake.....
What about "Space:1999" ???!!!
NO! It should become a the new, "in soviet russia" joke.
"It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
...the French say they will not support such a project. Rather, the UN should send in inspectors to determine if water is on the moon.
(insert sig here)
I can already see the headlines... Bombs headed for the moon fell on the Red Sea, Turkey, Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Iran. And then the Pentagon denis, FOX doesn't report it all the rest of the World laughs about it and a week later, after showing a successfull attemp of bombing the moon, the Pentagon admits that some bombs fell slightly off-target (Sun, Mars, Alpha Centauri....)
are they bombing the American or the Soviet part of the moon?
Perhaps NASA should make some type of explosive standard on future probes in case a similar feat is desired. Of course there is the weight issue.
Perhaps just a container of (compressed) gas would be sufficient to cause quite a bit of disturbance?
(insert sig here)
The Lunar Information Minister denies that the Moon posesses water, and was quoted as having said, "There are no Earthling infidels on the Moon. Never! We welcome them with cheese and shoes!"
-you can see almost all of the moon's 'BUSH' tonight..."
There's no wrong way, to eat a Rhesus...
why does this conjure up images of bugs bunny hanging from a tip of a crescent moon with marvin the martian and his dog clinging to each other's legs?
"GET ME OUTTA HERE!"
What will they name the resulting crater?
Tuus crepidae innexilis sunt.
"Y'all, I've got an anouncement. I have decided to hold the moon hostage for..."
*Dramatic Pause*
"ONE MILLION DOLLARS."
"Um, Mr. Bush..."
"Not now Carl, can't you see I'm 'bout to rule the world?"
"..."
"That's right Carl, don't mess wit' Texas"
When Adam Selene starts throwing grain barges at
us in retaliation, just don't stand at ground zero.
Sadaam: Nobody find us here. Not even my look-alikes.
Bin Laden: What about Monica?
Sadaam: No Monica, either... err... wait, what's that sound...
Bin Laden: Oh no... it's not.... KABOOOMMM!!
Most would be able to go off in a vacuum. There's what, about 250 grams of O2 in a cubic meter of air? That's not enough for solid explosives to use.
What I think the parent was saying, though, is the MOAB would explode, but there wouldn't be any way for the shock wave to propagate. It would just be a spray of high-velocity chemical by-products of the explosion. For a MOAB, though, that would still be nasty. I wouldn't want to be 10 meters away from that in a spacesuit, but you could be a LOT closer than with a similar explosion in an atmosphere.
Don't believe me about how great the moon is? Find out for yourself!
Freedom Is Universal
Linux-Universe
Maybe you could write CHAIRFACE on the moon's surface...
Headlines on Moonie newspapers will call the moon to arms as they fight the invaders from earth!! Or, worse, we will crack the moon into two halves and send parts crashing down onto us!!!
comment directly in my journal
Give us another few thousand years to come up with a plan before writing off the idea.
Typical next-quarter myopic American!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
...Ford Company is now using Hydrogen explosives technology to power up its new line of hybrid cars.
Documentaries such as Enemy of the State have accurately portrayed the elaborate, byzantine network of surveillance satellites that the liberals have sent into space to spy on law-abiding Americans. Equipped with technology developed by Handgun Control, Inc., these satellites have the ability to detect firearms from hundreds of kilometers up. That's right, neighbors .. the next time you're out in the backyard exercising your Second Amendment rights, the liberals will see it! These satellites are sensitive enough to tell the difference between a Colt .45 and a .38 Special! And when they detect you with a firearm, their computers cross-reference the address to figure out your name, and then an enormous database housed at Berkeley is updated with information about you.
Of course, this all works fine during the day, but what about at night? Even the liberals can't control the rotation of the Earth to prevent nightfall from setting in (only Joshua was able to ask for that particular favor!) That's where the "moon" comes in. Powered by nuclear reactors, the "moon" is nothing more than an enormous balloon, emitting trillions of candlepower of gun-revealing light. Piloted by key members of the liberal community, the "moon" is strategically moved across the country, pointing out those who dare to make use of their God-given rights at night!
Yes, I know this probably sounds paranoid and preposterous, but consider this. Despite what the revisionist historians tell you, there is no mention of the "moon" anywhere in literature or historical documents -- anywhere -- before 1950. That is when it was initially launched. When President Josef Kennedy, at the State of the Union address, proclaimed "We choose to go to the moon", he may as well have said "We choose to go to the weather balloon." The subsequent faking of a "moon" landing on national TV was the first step in a long history of the erosion of our constitutional rights by leftists in this country. No longer can we hide from our government when the sun goes down.
Umm.. that's one way of putting it. Could be a handy phrase though in the future.
"The server didn't crash, it just hard-landed."
Jason
Daisy Cutters do. Bunker Busters don't. IIRC, they rely on a dense core and a delayed detonation in order to penetrate the surface and explode. Other than that, they are regular ordinance.
They are not within 200,000 miles of the moon!
Well, he got one right!
Well? Would you?
Every living thing is a whore, the only difference is what each is willing to whore itself for. What makes one whore better than another?
Damnit, you weren't supposed to tell!!!!!! Now everyone knows! Great... just great...
what we all really want to see is the flag pole and the lunar lander or whatever else was supposedly left behind by the astronauts that supposedly walked on the moon.
that would shut up those conspiracy theorists once and for all.
If it exists...bwoo hoo haa ha ha ha
because I have been enjoined by this Holy Office to abandon the false opinion which maintains that the Sun is the centre
How many people read the writeup and saw the lame Iraq jokes coming a mile away?
Yeah, I thought so.
Nathan
.. but what about other planets (don't lecture me about the moon not being a planet, i'm making a joke)?? We find a new planet... bomb the hell out of it looking for water, only to later to find out we've dropped a big one on the grand poobah of a far superior species. Not only do we piss off the guys with big heads and the ability to crush us with a thought but we look damn foolish to all other observers in the universe. The more i think about it the more fun this sounds like!
Chairface Chippendale.
How long before TMA-1 decides we have developed a little too well for its tastes, and sets out to degrade us a bit?
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
Didnt any of these scientists see the movie Time Machine (the latest one 2000ish)?? They messed with the moon and caused it to breakup, thereby causing a cataclysm on the earth.. then came the morlocks... :(
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!
Everyone knows that if you do something like this that you are going to end up with a moon cracked in half, living in a post-apocolyptic world full of evil sorcerers, and a variety of other evil dudes and moving hungry flowers and mutants and all that jazz. Then, where will we be? I know where. Looking for Thundarr, Ookla and Ariel to pull our asses out of the fire, that's where!
Makes looking for water on the moon kind of trivial, doesn't it?
"Look! There! Evil, pure and simple from the Eighth Dimension!" --Buckaroo Banzai
Don't touch it, because We Like The Moon!
I just wonder what the Lunar embassy has to say in all this. :)
Now thay gonna blow my lunar base plans sky high!
Aren't they behind schedule? I thought they were supposed to do this on Sept 13, 1999.
Bet this
Cause he'd get really annoyed at the decendants of the Mutineers trying to poke him with a pin to see if there's anything good inside
In the Orsen Wells movie, they detonate a small nuclear weapon on the moon. This leads to a destabilization of the earth's orbit. This of course sends the moon crashing to the earth. That scared the hell out of me, hopefully no one will ever blast the moon with anything too powerful. Go Hope!
But what about the kaboom? There was supposed to be a moon-shattering kaboom!
The MOAB is not a Fuel-Air explosive, but is more akin to an overgrown fertilizer/diesel fuel bomb (referred to as I recall a slurry) such as utilized by Tim McVay.
Most explosives work fine in space (think about it, they work underwater, now don't they).
I think we should also look into bombing Mars to search for life. If there is simple life to find, we could look for the residue of vaporized organic matter in the plumes, and if there is advanced life hiding below the surface of Mars we only have to wait for the obvious reply... war machines descending on New Jersey.
jezus fsckin christ
not that fscking goatse.cx shit again...
heh
THIS IS A WARNING! DO NOT LOOK AT THE PARENT LINK!!
p r m t h s
The good news, is we have water! The bad news... its radioactive.
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
"I'm not impatient. I just hate waiting." - My Dad
As a Texan, I insist you get Slim's statement correct: It is "Yahoo! Yahoo-oo"
"Whoo hoo" is something different! Grr! Snarl!
BTW, the symbolism using the multi-megaton penis is probably the best ever put on film, IMHO.
Does anyone think this is a secret test project by the government to test the feasibility of some type of Star Wars program or missile program from space? I wonder...
Do we really need life imitating art here?
Moon information minister (Moommed Samoon al-Sahafoon) would ofcourse deny any enemy forces approaching their airspace and make comments like
"My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all"; "Be assured. Moondad is safe, protected"
He was quietly asked to leave by Mr. Malda.
Water. Sure.
It's about the oil.
Much more likely to be an attempt to destroy evidence of alien contact before the Chinese get there.
And what is water made out of again?
I've been called a "Fucking Dick" by better people than you.
I am sure they are hiding Osama, wait I see him through my teloscope he he he
Curiously appropriate, if you mean the current CEO of the USA ...
A fool and his money are soon venture capital.
But wait! That's my taxes turning into venture capital?
Infuriate left and right
Black hats have announced that a Scud missle is to be dropped on Micro$oft's Redmond headquarters, to see if they can detect the cha-ching of hard currency on the surface.
Always look on the briight side of life! (whistle, whistle)
Exactly! The British managed to send it out of the solar system. Surely the Americans can coax it into a closer orbit.
"I'm not impatient. I just hate waiting." - My Dad
On the other hand, due to Newton's third law, the only way of accelerating a spacecraft is by propelling a certain amount of mass in the opposite direction. This is the real big problem of space travel, since energy could also conceivably be generated by an on-board nuclear reactor (at least in principle; I'm sure the safety issues would be overwhelming).
So water has the huge advantage of being an energy storage medium (decomposed into Hydrogen and Oxygen, that is) which at the same time functions as a propellant! It certainly doesn't get much more convenient than that...
An explosion does not need oxygene. An explosion is the violent reaction of one or more compounds to a stimuli, be it another compound, the presence of water or perhaps a shock.
Be careful! New moon tonight.
get real, see matrix 4 dot net for the real truth. Aliens do not exist. BTW: if you bomb the moon, your going to wreck the tides.
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NO WAR FOR WATER!
No really, it's a little known fact that the moon is a kitten's favourite thing.
Proof? Here's all the proof you need.
So, are we putting this under the same initiative as bombing the middle east for oil?
World War II Bomber Found on Moon. I read it on the Internet so it must be true.
There's not enough space left on earth to destroy, let's be first to destroy the moon! (before the Chinese have a change to land, no less!)
You are either with us or against us. We will smoke them out of their holes. No safe haven for terrorists in Afghanistan^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Iraq^H^H^H^H Syria^H^H^H^H^H THE MOON.
Aww man, I thought you were talking about some home-made liquor....
I'm not saying our military will get bigger. It will allow us to keep our current military size from the cold war. Otherwise their would be major international pressure for US to disarm.
"It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
Anyone else imagining a scene similar to the one in the time machine where the moon was distroyed/sent out of orbit due to mining operations gone wrong?
;)
I better start putting together the machine now...should have lots of time since I've finished creating my 3 1/2" floppy Enterprise
But the explosion fucked up the orbit.
I think dowsing the moon for water may prove more effective. That is, if the cheese doesn't produce to much interference.
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;o). No as we `know` exactly what the moon is made of as we have been there several times `honest guv` looks at the prerty rocks; we could test this new rocket approach out on the moon given we already have been there and know everything about its and say do it in the guise of say research into water on the moon for possible future missions. Coz any fool knows that it would be cheaper just to drop a few bottles of Evian onto the surface but were talking to the public here and the rest are either on our side or on the internet so they don't count ;). Ok so that's the plan we'll do a mission to the moon to test out to see if there is any water and use a heavily modified `rocket` to deliver the payload and basically blast the crap of the crust of the moon and see what pops up. Sure that's enough detail for the press, we'll but the marketing boys onto it ; they know how to jazz things up a bit. Hell they should we poached them from CNN.
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SUBJECT: Proposed visit to distant planets with cost considerations
Due to budget rescheduling and the war we currently find ourselves limited into what we may invest into reaching far and distant planets. We also not that our colleagues in the military have a surplus of intergalactic weapons which shall we say due a slight oversight in military spending on weapons due to the panic and the backorder demands from the manufacturers we find ourselves in a position to pick up some cheap err rockets. We could use these `rockets` to perhaps bring the planets closer to se so as to save on fuel. perhaps in the chance extracts a few chunks off in the process so they land in the desert and we can then say we went there as well
Naaa, when we're done, we'll be reading the word Haliburton every night for the rest of our lives...
Has anyone considered how the man in the moon feels about this? Maybe he uses that water for drinking.
First it was oil, now it's water. I hope they never make cars that run on air...
Where's the "kaboom?" There was supposed to be a moon-shattering "kaboom!"
totally knock the moon off it's orbit? They're dropping a couple hundred pounds of dead weight (no explosives) into the surface, your fat ass getting out of bed in the morning affects the earth's orbit more than this will affect the moon's.
"The instruments were recently shock tested in the New Mexico desert by firing them at high speed into 2 metres (6 feet) of plywood, where they experienced 1200 G's of shock and worked perfectly afterwards."
Now that's the kind of laptop I'm looking for.
Maybe they could set up a wireless access point while they're at it. You know, for future warchalkernauts.
That's no moon! It's a space station!
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
Lob a rocket at us and we'll bend your primitive president over and spank his ass with all three of your puny dimensions.
Don't question it!
Course Note 01 This paper is for homework purposes only OXYGEN BALANCE (OB) IN EXPLOSIVE MATERIALS Faisal G. Hashem August 12, 2001 Heat of Formation The general formula for explosives is CxHyNwOz. Explosive reactions are oxidation reactions. More generally, the oxidizer does not have to be oxygen; it can be an oxidizing salt such as Nitrate or Perchlorate.
Etc. (http://www.mines.edu/Academic/mining/csm_isee/csm _ee_course_notes/cn_mngn498s01_01.htm)
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Wow! The lengths he won't go to to avoid capture, and the lengths the US won't go to to get rid of this guy. Even sending bunker busters to the moon.
Vote for Pedro
That's no moon!
Calm down, people. There is no plan for long-term occupation of the moon, and we have no aim to take the moon's water. After we liberate the water, we will put in place a system that allows the water to flow where it wants to flow instead of where some dictatorial rock wants it to flow. Then we will withdraw.
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know everything or nothing about it." -- Olin Miller
They're lying about bombing the moon. They'll just put a couple of cameras in Syria, bomb them, and SAY it was the moon that we bombed. I thought everyone knew that the moon landing was fake.
I only wish I could screen shot this right now, as my ad on this page is about the moon landing hoax, and how I can buy the video...
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The moon must be where Iraq hid there "Weapons of mass Destruction"
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
Destroying nature where no man has destoyed nature before.
Clearly Saddam Hussein is hiding his WMD operations on the moon. Just look at all that fine white dust all over the place...it's a sure sign of anthrax production.
why are we crashing shit into the moon... water??? dont we have enough of that here? is there some hidden initiative here i'm not seeing.
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>>No. They're so f'ing stupid, they think their opinion is important. Just because they sell records.
Their opinion is just as important as your's, mine or the President.
If you don't like freedom of speech, move to a country that doesn't tolerate it like China and stop pretending to be an American.
I can see little Marvin the Martian Now...."Where's the Kaboom, there was supposed to be a Kaboom!"
They would like you to think they're trying to find water, but their real mission is to breach that barrier to the monolith they found 2 years ago.
...a dramaic improvement over bombing Iraq for oil...
wa wa wa wa....give the inspections a chance.
Bombing the moon for water is nothing more than thinly veiled American aggression
I'm sure with a LPS (lunar position system), a seeing eye dog, and a big freaking arrow saying the moon is here, the UN would finally have the ability to find their own ass with both hands.
Instead of wasting perfectly good bunker busters that could be put to better use dropping soap on the French why not launch the Hollywood crowd into the moon. I'm sure their thick skulls could crack it wide open. At the very least it would help with global warming as the amount of hot air being created would drop nearly 40% annually.
Taken from the King James Version, so you can't even play the "modern devil-inspired translations" card: references to the moon in the KJV.
So that's what they're going to do with the left overs from Iraq that never got the chance...
Good thinking, or perhaps we should save them for North Korea or Syria.. or what the hell bomb
'em all.
I just hope moonlings wont consider this as a declaration of war by earthlings. :)
hany
*shifts eyes in a suspicious manner*
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The United States is to send a team of military experts to Mars to investigate how a US Space shuttle accidentally bombed the village of EeEBok, apparently killing and wounding a large number of civilians.
The Pentagon said the 15-strong group will fly there to begin its mission within the next 48 hours.
Martian officials say 48 civilians died and 117 people were wounded in the strikes.
"It seems", a Whitehouse spokewoman said in an interview last night, " that once again NASA seems to have confused Metres with Millimetres. The bomb was actually supposed to be targeting the south pole of the lunar surface... Those who are responsible will be sacked."
"So there he is, risen from the dead. Like that fella, E. T." - Father Ted Crilly
Remake of Wells original starring Guy Pearce. During his time travels he stops off in 2040 or somewhere and theyre planning to detonate parts of the moon to create caverns for 'Lunar Living' A quick nip thru time later and the city is being evacuated cos the moon is falling to bits, eventually creating another 'big bang' only sci fi but hey worth mentioning
Boycott all French! Zap Sadda.. oh.. sorry.
Lisp is the Tengwar of programming languages.
Does anybody remember Mr. Show w/ Bob and Dave? I think we need a monkey on this project now. Maybe we could borrow a monkey from the current administration (certainly enough in the cabinet).
I am under the impression that the US is signatory to a treaty that bans the militarization of space. Whilst the US has heretofore broken every treaty it has signed, it does amaze me that we would trivialise the breaking of solumn obligations by such an obvious ruse.
I have nothing to hide. So, why are you spying on me?
Humans causes their own extinction. While attempting to find water on a moon in orbit of planet earth, a group of scientist known as NASA, has bombed the moon with bunker buster missiles, which knocked the moon out of its orbit and collided with earth. One NASA official made a statement saying "We were just trying to see if our theory about ice on the moon was true. We didn't think bombing our own moon would knock the moon out of its orbit!"
Okay, this is redundant, since a few others have basically pointed out the same thing, but they were all very rude about it, so I'll be "The Nice Guy" (tm).
Yes, there is oxygen in water as well as hydrogen. The problem is this: Oxygen-based explosions (glorified phrase for "lots of fire real fast") use the oxygen as a fuel for fire. Water is basically the byproduct of burnt (oxygenized) hydrogen. Since the oxygen was already used as fuel to create the water, it cannot be extracted from the hydrogen & used as a fuel on the fly like you are suggesting.
I will add that I am a computer geek, not a chemical engineer, so my explanation is probably full of technical inaccuracies, but it gets the point across.
> I would hope at least some tree hugging liberal could tell the difference between them at a 1 meter resolution in the moonlight.
I'm a god-hating conservative (AKA libertarian) -- and I support gun ownership rights -- but I couldn't tell the difference from a foot away in full sunlight. Unless, of course, it was engraved into the gun.
Now how do you think a land war would go with Korea, this time without China and Russia sending in equipment and troops.
I like the submarine comments, very funny. Maybe we could take all those giant plastic fishing nets that have been banned and use C-130's to drape them over the entire country. Maybe we'll get lucky and get the same reaction out of their army as we did their submarine corp.
Troll? Pardon my English, moderator, but go fuck yourself.
I'm educating the poster on a word he mis-used. How is that trolling?
Bunker Busters and MOAB's are completely different weapons. MOAB's explode in the air and create an immense shockwave that does the damage. Bunker busters are heavy bombs on a delay fuse, thus the bomb penetrates several meters before exploding, so instead of exploding on the surface of a bunker, they plough into it, then explode.
It's sad when choosing an installation directory on your own qualifies you as an "advanced user."