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iTunes For Linux, Thanks To CodeWeavers
pizen writes "The folks over at CNet have the scoop that a new version of CrossOver Office (3.1) now supports Apple's iTunes. The preview version of the software is being tested and is currently only available to current CodeWeavers customers. They expect a final version to be available later this year." Reader snowtigger contributes a link to this screenshot. White demonstrated iTunes on a Linux machine at OSCON as well; a rendering glitch marred that demo, but he was still able to demonstrate playing back a song which he'd purchased from iTMS using iTunes on Linux.
This is has honestly been the only reason that I still boot up in Windows.
Also seems I not the only one:
"iTunes has been our No. 1 most requested application," CodeWeavers CEO Jeremy White said in a statement.
And presumably a free open source version cannot be far behind? Now, if I can just take this opportunity to ask the iTunes people to please add some (a lot) more to their back catalogue then the world will become perfect.
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Reader snowtigger contributes a link to this screenshot.
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Can anybody who wee this as a good thing explain why? Apple will probably sue the pants of codeweawers like they usualy do when someone touch their DRM crap. No, I as a Linux user want open formats.
Because it must be gosh darn difficult to port BSDish code to Linux, oh my..
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Not that I would buy any digital restrictions managed music from anywhere in the first place, but I digress...
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I have been in love with iTunes since I first used it in Windows late last year, I have all my music in it, and allow it to keep everything organized. While in Windows, everything is nice and neat and tidy, however, as soon as i switched to Linux and loaded up my tunes in XMMS, or Juk, or Kaffeine or any other multimedia player, all the titles and ID3 tags would look messed up.
While some of the open source projects out there have been doing a great job emulating iTunes, none have yet to duplicate the easy of use and great interface that Apple gives us. I wouldn't say this is the only reason why I use Windows, but I would say that while in Linux, I rarely listen to any of my music because I find it too difficult.
Thank you code weavers, and I will be looking forward to the release.
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You mean that he purchased from iTMS using iTunes on Windows on Linux?
Wow, cool, now the Linux community can easily, painlessly join the choice of a new generation. Fan-f*cking-tastic, where do I sign up? *drool*
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Sounds like Apple are embeding the UI layer and the Application layer, that's what you get from a single vendor solution....
Well.. maybe not.. but how hard can it be for Apple to do a carbon copy for Linux, like they've done for Windows.
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I think iTunes on MacOS X is a Carbon application, ie based on an updated version of the old Macintosh APIs. If it's anything like Quicktime for Windows, the Windows version of iTunes probably makes use of what's effectively a Carbon layer for Windows.
/dev/whatever/ so I don't see any problem
It still only needs the right layer in there. OSX still uses a BSD interface which is alot similar, and OSX's fancy graphics are still X11 based, and music devices and disks are still
honestly I dont see why nobody hasn't made a layer for binary compatibility for certain apps. run the original OSX itunes code on linux and have some of those BSD unique calls translated to linux and we're sweeeet!!!!
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What about gtkpod?
Serious question, as I have no system capable of running iTunes smoothly. What's so good about iTunes? If you don't intend to buy an iPod or music from the iTMS, is there anything special about iTunes that other music players don't have?
"while in Linux, I rarely listen to any of my music because I find it too difficult."
Bull. What's more difficult about listening to your music in Linux than Windows? I have not seen messed up ID3 tags in my mps or ogg files in Linux, Windows , or on my Pocket PC. Perhaps the original software that created your music files was less than compliant with the standards (or you are using old versions of XMMS/Juk/Kaffine). Did you report your problems to the developers? What makes you think the Linux version of iTunes will be any better?
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iTunes is so overrated. I don't see why people like it so much. Oh my god, you can buy songs from iTunes for a dollar a peice! Oh, it plays mp3s too, whoo doggy, thats amazing! Not to mention its a resource hogging POS.
GREAT I can use iTunes in Linux now...wait why do I want to use iTunes? I don't have an iPod and don't want to buy DRM infected music. I installed iTunes on a windows machine to download free songs won off a Pepsi top and it was such a terrible program I just removed it before getting my free song.
What is a good program to use to batch change all ID3 tags to match the file name, or better yet, to match the file name minus the ".mp3"?
Suggestions?
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Ummm... yeah. Great screenshot.
Now there's iTunes running in Linux. Good.
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On the other ahnd, there's an Ogg Vorbis for QuickTime Plug-In, currently just for OS 9, OS X and Win32:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?grou
But one keeps wondering how much of an effort it would be to combine the two, thus getting Ogg Vorbis functionality within iTunes running under GNU/Linux on i386 and PPC??
I looked at the screenshot and saw the OS X like buttons... my first thought was "Wow! They ported Crossover to OS X so now I can run iTunes on my mac!!"
Then I realized what I was thinking, and felt dumb.
Looks a lot like an OS X or Windows XP screenshot to me. Taking a snap of only the one window does not make it a screenshot. It makes it a window capture.
Don't tell anybody, but this must actually break the iTunes DRM good and hard. CrossOverOffice almost certainly uses a standard Linux sound driver to get the sound data to the sound chip. This is bound to mean /dev/dsp, which is "hackable" in the sense that anyone with root access can snarf the digital audio data between when it gets decrypted by iTunes and when it gets sent to the sound chip. You can then make unlimited unencumbered copies. Additionally, knowing that the file was uncompressed from lossy AAC compression, it should be possible to recompress it in such a way as exactly to recover the original compressed file, just sans DRM encumbrance.
The same would, of course, also go for any successful attempt to run Windows Media Player under Linux.
DRM is a pipe dream. There is a fundamental physical reason why it will never work, though a formal mathematical proof escapes me right now. It's time to stop trying to do the impossible, even if that means having to swallow the unpalatable.
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Why Apple Needs iTunes for Linux.. PHP-Nuke As of Late, I have been looking into buying an ipod, they are so cute and sexy, but I cant get over the fact that I cant download music legally for it. You might ask me, why cant you go onto Apple's iTunes and pay for your music, well because THEY DONT support Linux! I have been using Linux for the last 5 years and I feel that it is the perfect desktop for me. It has loads of functionality and it always seems like things are getting updated, so it feels like a new experience every time I turn on my computer. (most people don't like that, but it keeps me productive). I have everything I have ever wanted in Linux, except a legal way to download music. I have even gone as far as buying a ibook to play around with macosx and use iTunes, but I was soon disappointed that I couldn't transfer my iTunes collection I had just purchased to my Linux computer. Now there is a very cool open source project called playfair, that takes the DRM (Digital Rights Management) Software out of the AAC file that you download from apple and allows you to play it on your Linux computer. But this is again not legal, and it could be used for wrong doing. Apple doesn't understand if they would have supported the Linux community in the first place, they wouldn't have programs like this all over the Internet. The only thing they have done to support Linux at all is creating a ton of open source software that helps the open source community, but not Linux in general. I would even go as far as saying there are probably more Linux users out there than Mac users and it only hurts Apple not to create a Linux version of iTunes. Come on apple help stop Piracy and come out with iTunes for Linux!
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Wahoo! I can now spend more money on music that the artists won't see and support the RIAA! Thanks!
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Wow, great screenshot! It really shows us... ummm... well, what iTunes looks like.
Are you raving about iTunes or Winamp? iTunes does everything you describe, and it looks better to boot. In fact, I'll bet you dollars to donuts that Winamp's media library is patterned after Apple's. Start by looking at the screenshots.
The AAC codec in iTunes is now excellent and really takes on all comers. The one biggest feature for me is the ability to transcode from WAV-->AIFF-->AAC-->MP3 with just the click of a button. It makes keeping a reference copy of your collection in uncompressed form very easy and desireable because you can easily automate the process to rip for portable use and smaller sizes. Smart Playlists make this even easier.
First Real makes their player compatible with the iPod. Now someone makes iTunes available on Linux.
Apple hardly needs to do a thing to improve iTunes. Their competitors are doing it all for them.
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what does iTunes have over juk, as far as managing your music collection goes?
.50/song.
I personally have no interest in paying apple $1/song for a proprietary format; reencoding in ogg is not an option. Really, $1 per song is very, very expensive - considering a cd is about the same and you get a nice semi-permanent media, far higher quality audio, with artwork lyrics, etc.
Come to think of it, $1 per song is a complete rip off. If they were ogg encoded, I might give it some consideration at
I think this makes iTunes the first mainstream online music store to run under Linux. Apple should really try a native port, 'cuz if they did they would own the Linux market for music stores.
Step 1: Port iTunes to Linux
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
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I have to ask why iTunes gets all the attention?
.nsv format.
It is a fairly nice, and robust music playback/library system, but I'll be honest: Winamp5 is a much better alternative IMHO.
iTunes, whether on my 3Ghz P4 PC, or my dual 2Ghz G5 is still a resource hog, and it's library functions still do not match those of Winamp5.
As an example, itunes will not dynamically keep track of changes in my library (when my library is a shared on an external server via my LAN). With Winamp, I can have it rescan the library at start, or any number of other time schedules, depending on how I configure it.
Another great thing about Winamp is that it plays EVERYTHING. iTunes can't play half as many formats as Winamp does.
Winamp handles video flawlessly, as well as internet/streaming video via its very impressive
Additionally, Winamp allows me to configure my media in very logical ways, allowing me to filter down to what I need. For example:
I can arrange my video collections in folders (TV, Music, Documentarys, etc), and then subfolders (Rated-G, Rated-R, etc.), and finally into further subfolders (Movie Clips, Movies, Concerts, Animated, Singles, etc), and then dynamically search for content based on this ("Search for Rated-R Television Shows", "Search for Rated-G Animated Movies", as well as just do normal searches "Show me all Simpsons". iTunes can't handle this. It just sees media, and then only media that Apple wants it to see.
Don't get me wrong, iTunes is nice, and of course you have the iTunes music store, if that's your thing. It's not mine (Sound quality is crap though, roughly equal to an avg. 128k mp3 if you ask me. I refuse to buy anything with a sound quality that's worse than a 192k mp3), but I can understand the convenience factor for those less picky than I.
Personally, I'd love it if WinAmp5 came out for OSX. Maybe then Apple would start putting some of the features that it's userbase has been asking for into their software (Ogg playback, pluggable output devices, similar to WinAmp, etc).
As it is, Audacity's a nice player for OSX, but it's media library functions are even less than iTunes (although their smart playlist/folder feature's nice!). I'm dealing with over 100 gig of music in my library on average (ripped all my CD's, and am working on my vinyl currently), and about 400 gig of videos (+-). Winamp's the only player/organizer out there that's quick and efficient for me.
So back to the subject... Why do you all love iTunes so much over what is to me a superior player, Winamp5??
Great... now only if I could get firewire to work easily and reliably on linux.
I'll admit to keeping a Win partition on my machine, so that from time to time I could boot into XP and play with apps like iTunes. I was pretty taken with iTunes at first, but the only thing it seems to offer over any collection of similar Linux apps is convenience. Why not use apps like rhythmbox (for gnome) or juk (for kde)? While neither app is as mature as iTunes (yet), they both do a great job. And both have better .ogg support than iTunes.
I would argue that ITMS, while convenient, isn't that great a value. Why not opt for one of the other services that lets you download files encoded at a higher bitrate? Or in multiple formats? Or from Linux? This is exactly the kind of application where Linux users should be looking to innovate, in the interest of offering more choices, and not just waiting for the CrossOver port. There are plenty of great projects out there doing just that, and they could all use the attention that CrossOver's iTunes work seems to be getting.
So, will it be DMCA, or will we hold out for Fritz's INDUCE? Or will it be a novel approach based on patents for obvious things?
Real supports i-tunes and they are bad guys, but these guys are hero's!
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I just switched from Linux to Windows and installed cygnus just because of iTunes!
Juk is a quite good clone of itunes for KDE (not the shopping stuff, just a library manager)
You can transfer files to your ipod with gtkpod
Better prefer to launch a proprietary software with a windows emulator.
Avoid the ID3 tags !
Can't seem to find the link to the beta version after I login (I am a current customer). Anybody who can tell me where to find it?
First of all, it claims that Apple basically does nothing to reap its one-third cut of the price of a song on iTunes. What about the front-end costs of bulding the iTMS backend, developing the client application (for multiple platforms) and the ongoing costs of the bandwidth? I guess that's "basically doing nothing"?
Secondly, if a recording artist is making 11 cents per song on iTunes, isn't that 11 cents that the artist would never otherwise receive? I mean, an artists' overhead for selling on iTMS ought to consist of: (a) rehearsal and studio time, (b) mixing services, (c) hiring session musicians and maybe a famous producer or something, and (d) marketing. The label gives them an advance for all that stuff, and takes it back (and then some) in their 53 cents per song cut of sales on iTMS.
So, once the artist has paid back the label for any advance money, every 11 cent per song sale on iTMS is pure profit, right? The artist has no ongoing expenses for selling on iTMS, right?
And Apple has lots of really expensive ongoing overhead, right? And Apple says they're barely breaking even on iTMS today, right?
So how is Apple screwing artists?
Good point. I think iTunes is great, but how the £$%^ can I get it to store a playlist that:
- is emptied when I open iTunes (or even better, when I haven't been using it for 30 mins or more)
- I can append songs to really easily, preferably by double-clicking
- I can clear easily?
I find "Party Shuffle" a pain to use - adding stuff to it and clearing it is fiddly.
I love being able to use embedded quicktime in firefox in linux =) It rules.
It's not an emulator. It uses the names of windows dlls, and it uses the directory structure of windows, but nowhere does it run a windows kernel; it's all implemented in libraries installed on your machine.
This problem rules. It is very efficient, and changing id3 tags take literally a few mouse clicks. A very well put together program.
Why did you even post this comment? Well golly, if you don't own an iPod, this means nothing to you! What an astounding conclusion. And of course you are right that CodeWeavers should wait for you and you alone to jump on the bandwagon before they start work. My God, why didn't I think of that?
To any other developers out there - please check with Captain Zapp and make sure he has use for your code before you develop. Forget your own desires or other users - Captain Zapp is now the gatekeeper for all coding projects.
WTH is iTunes???
GtkPod is an excellent program for managing the iPod but the authors make no claims regarding iTunes, which of course they would never be granted access to in any case. Apple controls the iTunes commerce channel.
Why Apple need a hole in the head. Mozilla like recently, ive wanted an ipod really bad, 'cause maybe they'll help me pickup chix. This punches a huge gaping hole in the lame excuse I had before. I would tell you that I cant download music from itunes because they dont support my s00per leet OS. I used to conveniently ignore all of the other legal sources of music online, because I dont really buy an music anyway. Kazaa roolez! But anyway I am maD leet, 'cause I use teh linux long time. Mozilla my themes look k-rad, and I am even k00ler 'cause I update my libraries to 0.99rc1.pre-alpha.0_3 whenever a new Gentoo build script is available. (It's all about USE flags!) I live in my parents basement, so I don't need a job. That's why I can spend all day rebuilding my OS. I tell my parents that, if they buy me an ipod all my music will be legal, so they wont have to be afraid of getting sued anymore. Mozilla I think they're gonna get me one. They bought me an ibook for college, but i dropped out. I couldn't recompile my kernel under OS X, so i don't like using it. People might think i'm gay. I got a bunch of AAC files from my warez buddies, and the ibook played them, but I couldnt figure out how to play them on Gentoo. it must be impossible! I heard about this program once that lets you play music that someone else bought, but there wasnt a emerge script for it, and I could find it online, so it must not be around anymore. Mozilla Apple doesn't understand if they would have supported the Linux community in the first place, i wouldn't need to steal more music, cause Id already have a bunch. The only thing they have done to support Linux at all is creating a ton of open source software that helps the open source community, including linux. Mozilla but they havent given my the things that I want. We will fuck them up. We are Legion, They sUx0rs. Peace out.
What good is this when we already have Linspire's lsongs?
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Uhm, I wonder what's wrong with your dual 2ghz G5, because iTunes absolutely flies on my dual 2ghz G5. You didn't downgrade the RAM to 128mb, did you?
I'm with you... It works great on my 1 Ghz G4 powerbook... it also works just fine on my 450 Mhz G4 at work even when I'm doing stuff on Photoshop all day.
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Hopefully it will be added soon so I can rid myself of Windows once and for all.
as in:
DeDRMS.exe MyMusicFile.aac
...you mean? Get it here. It's C#, so also for Linux.
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i don't think itunes can convert Real Media/Monkey's Audio/NSF to mp3/wav
i don't think itunes can even play any of those codecs...poor itunes people won't be able to play the nintendo tunes in small nsf files
winamp is capable of a lot of things if you can find the right plugins...however the staff of winamp are idoits...
"Parent poster's point was that the demo did not include the ability to purchase a song using iTunes on Linux. The song still had to be purchased using iTunes on Windows, then it could later be played back using iTunes on Linux."
Unless I completely misunderstood J. White when he explained this (which I'm confident I didn't because it was something he emphasized and was happy about/ proud of), the song he showed *had* been purchased from iTMS through iTunes running with WINE (CodeWeaver's version, that is) on a Linux machine. He did not need a machine running Microsoft Windows to purchase the song.
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The name iTunes refers to what it does - plays tunes (music). It has never been meant for video, although you can now have music videos through iTMS, and they could easily incorporate video because Quicktime is running the show underneath the GUI.
/. I don't hear much about it. The average person knows mp3, if I even try to explain AAC to them they get confused, so I tell them to think of it as mp4 and of course the higher number helps them see it as better (I do know what it is, so you don't have to tell me.)
Why the crap do you want to make a thousand folders to put each individual song/movie in so that you can search them? In OSX I could do the same and search in the finder for "Rated-G Animated Movies" following your method of approach and still come up with the same results possibly faster. Using tags or metadata is much better to organize then making folders.
I can't say anything about your PC, but I have a Dual 2.0Ghz G5 and have iTunes running most of the time and it doesn't make a dent in slowing down what I'm doing. I work on Photoshop mostly and usually am not working on a file less then 100 MB. Buy some more RAM.
I can't comment on the iTMS quality as I haven't purchased anything. I do have 65 GBs of music on my drive though, and a 128 kbps AAC is roughly the same as a 160 kbps mp3 to my ears. I rip at 192 kbps mp3 though for compatibilitys sake.
And are people really asking for Ogg playback? Out of
Just downloaded the latest alpha, and installed iTunes, but the pulldown menus are kinda b0rked (common with not-quite-there Crossover/Wine apps). It's a step forward, though. I find XMMS perfectly useable, and with the LongPlayer companion app, i have a great random jukebox, on par with iTunes w/ Party Shuffle.
Just look under the advanced menu in iTunes. "Convert ID3 Tags".
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The problem is the signal is already decompressed by the time it gets to the sound card driver. "Breaking iTunes' DRM" means getting access to the unencrypted compressed sound data. There is no known way to recover the AAC compressed source from the decompressed version--to preserve the same sound quality as the original iTMS file you have to recompress lossless (which creates a much larger file)--if you just recompress as AAC or MP3 you will lose quality from the roundtrip, although presumably this is fine for some. Basically, iTMS DRM is supposed to guarantee that you cannot create a unencumbered small file of the same quality from your downloaded songs, plus put a convenience barrier to discourage casual file swapping.
if you tick "compilation" in the info/id3 pane in itunes, it creates a artist directory called "compilations" and puts the album, then the tracks in there (the file names do not have the artist tho... iirc)
"compilations" also comes up as an artist in the browse section
*however* (and this annoys me muchly) this is not replicated on the ipod - the ipod ignores "compilations" altogether and u get a billion artists in the artist browse list
to get around this i give compilations "compilation" as the artist and name the song "artist - song name" and soundtracks have "soundtrack" as the artist
its a bit crap but u only have to do this for the ipod, not if all u use is itunes
Or is this the kind of roundabout plot that Zim would use?
Now we can run iTunes on every PLATFORM!!!!
Gir... why is there bacon in my ipod??
You can keep it, I won't touch iTunes with a ten-foot pole ever again.
Maybe it fits nicely and works well in OS X, but the Windows version of iTunes is ugly, looks and behaves differently than any other app in the desktop, and same goes for running it in Linux. That's matter of taste, of course, the real problem is that it's SLOW, I mean, changing a song takes about a second on 2GHz machine, what the hell are they smoking?
If you like the dynamic playlists of iTunes and have any geek blood left in you, try wxMusik, what could possibly beat doing SQL queries into your music library?
Not trying to be repetitive, but I also find it strange that on a 2Ghz machine you are having problems. My 400Mhz, 128 RAM machine has absolutely no problems with iTunes. No "1 second wait" at all. No need to respond, just giving more testimony.
I have heard there is a program in windows and mac that can upload and download stuff in folder form. So I can see the iPod contents where playlist are in individual folders etc.
Does any iTune expert know if this program is a myth or a real iTune alternative?
this is driving me crazy now!