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AMD Desktops Outsell Intel
prostoalex writes "For the week ending August 21st AMD managed to capture 54% market share among new desktops sold. Intel's share during the week was 45%. While Intel leads the U.S. CPU market with 82.7% market share, folks from AMD are proud to announce this is the second week this year - they also outsold Intel on the desktop market one time in April 2004."
It's a dupe, It's a dupe and I thought the editors were slacking.
They're a rip off.
I'm not sure I buy this. Maybe for enthusiast and home gaming PCs, but if you include business desktops I'd venture to say that Intel still carries somewhere around 75%. Go look at the business-oriented desktop lines from HP, IBM and Dell and you'll see very few AMDs in there.
Intel is planning to release a 10.000 MHZ cpu and kick AMD poor lame ass.
Better go whip them Euro-Dell's, no Intel? First the stick, _then_ the carrot.
I'm actually amazed that quality can win over brand. Maybe there's hope, after all.
...Intel will begin to lag behind in the server market too. What exactly does EPIC provide, apart from a lot of work for compiler writers and a (theoretical) maximum 4-fold speed increase with current designs?
Duboise continues: "promotions continue to be the driving force behind retail PC sales and AMD's successes. In fact, $699 notebook promotions have been the driving force behind three incidents this year when notebook sales were able to overcome desktop sales. As long as Intel continues to place more emphasis on the more lucrative and successful notebook market, it leaves the door open for AMD's desktop wins."
I wonder if they believe that they can eventually drive notebook sales upward to the point that they outsell Intel more often than a handful of times a year?
Cheers,
Erick
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it still doesnt matter. As long as Dell, HP, and Gateway continues to ship P4s in their Joe Consumer-model computers, AMD won't get anywhere in the market except among people who actually know what a processor is [if asked, most people would think its a cell phone brand or something].
The Braying and Neighing of Barnyard Animals Follows.
First ATI outsold Nvidia on desktops, and now this! Good to see theres not a monopoly on core hardware components! now if only software were the same way, :\
....ergo the cliche.
A little competition never hurt anybody.
-Randy
Last time this info got erroneously foisted on us here by a submitter who didnt bother to RTFA (oh gee, big surprize for Slashdot), it turned out that it was number of solo CPUs sold that AMD won the share for (for like 3 hours during the middle of night), not desktops (like Dell, Gateway, etc.) sold. Is this more of the same?
I've been using AMD chips since K6 and haven't been disappointed yet. The criteria I've used when buying a new cpu has always been the price. The next one I'm going to buy will be the Sempron for Socket A, 64 bit cpus can wait a year or two.
Thanks AMD,
Your Faithful Customer
whats an AMD|INTEL|... desktop anyway?! my "desktop" is made of cherrytree.
Enjoy, Intel. Through years of doing little but ramping up your clock speeds and calling it "innovation," you made your bed.
Now it's time to lie in it.
Eat shit and die.
hopefully with this bit of healthy competition intel will lower their prices over amd and then amd being able to post correct clock speeds not at what the chips called.
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One more to go! ;-D
Congrats to AMD.
We've come a long way from the "AMD is Dead" and "Intel Rules" days.
Intel let its marketing people get caught napping. Intel pushed the Itanium and said it will never make a 64-bit chip that is x86 compatible.
AMD came out with the 64 bit chip that was compatible with the x86, and it got rave reviews. And, it gets sales!
Now, AMD outsells Intel again. Did you see that -- the article said "again."
Not bad for a company that was being written off a couple years ago.
I was an ardent fan of intel until the Athlon 64 came out. My brothers new PC has an Athlon 64 along with other goodies (1gig ram, dual layer dvd writer...) for a very reasonable $1,000 USD.
There is no way I could have done that with an intel chip and motherboard and still get the same performance.
What could possibly go wrong?
If you can't beat 'em, change games.
Don't reward someone whose question is answered by just looking at the article without even reading it.
Competition means better products at lower prices. The intertwined/alternating point on the graph in the article makes me happy about the state of hardware.
Nothing like competition to make a good company's products better.
Michalangelo Progr
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"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
I really wish I had bought stock a two years ago when it was at $5/share...
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Does AMD have any Hyper-Threading-like technologies in their chips or in the works?
It's such a high bang-for-your-buck optimization that I'd feel a lot more comfortable buying AMD chips if I knew they weren't hobbled by not exploiting it.
I'd be really stoked if they started maintaining an extra execution context internally, but use it for speculative execution. Sair got some pretty impressive results doing that, and single-threaded apps actually stand to benefit from that application of the technology.
-Scott
...AMD would be hailed for coming out with a CPU that didn't have the baggage of an old design. How many times has this been the song praised when talking about PowerPC? Or let's take this into software, and this is the crowning glory when Linux is being touted over Windows? why is coming out with a clean design that isn't held back by the past always good, except when it's Intel we're talking about?
Fuck legacy, give me something that utilizes all it's resources for up to date design. I'll run an emulator if I need to use an app from 1976.
Bring on more AMDs, that's only more repair work for us as we fix everyone's cooked CPUs (and sometimes motherboard) because they smoke and have cats and their fans got choked up and quit.
Bah.. Intel still rules for reliability, good solid chipsets and, oh yeah, reliability.
AMD is going HT one better by putting two Athlon 64 cores on one die next year. Much better performance bump than HT provides in a single processor core.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
One of the major complaints I have about my XP2500+ is that the thing runs hot, like really hot. We hit a heatwave locally and temperatures were up to about 40 celcius at peak. My CPU actually hit 95 celcius (for those that use Fahrenheit, 100 celcius is boiling temperature).
I have a bigass thermaltake fan in there now, which I can turn down when the weather is cooler. The computer is still rather noisy.
My point to all this is not AMD bashing however. Apparently the 64-bit CPUs do much better for heat dissipation. The CPU die is much larger (the actual die is small on an 32-bit Athlon), so heat dissipates much more nicely into the heatsink due to the increased surface contact area. When I do upgrade, I'll be going AMD64... more power (in 'nix anyhow) and cooler running than my current CPU.
Their processors aren't as fast as Intel's but for the price, they're so much better. If a $500 AMD processor is almost as fast as a $800 Intel processor, that $300 buys an iPod. Most of the people I know share that view. So what if a 3.8Ghz Xeon performs better than a Athlon64 3800, the Athlon is $300 cheaper!
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They outsold Intel by 10% for a _whole week_??? How is this news? I'm sure AMD outsells Intel many days out of the year. Someone wake me when they outsell them per quarter.
At work we have both AMD and Intel hardware, but I tell you, we will buy only AMD from now on. It works as good for us (servers & workstations), and they're cheaper.
I tried setting up our web server several times with AMD chips, and for some reason, we could never get any kind of stability with AMD and W2K. We had so many kinds of flaky problems with 3 completely different AMD machines, that we had to go straight Intel. Don't know why, but just to be safe, I'm not going to try AMD for a long time. I don't have time or money to experiment like that. I don't know what the problem was, only that AMD didn't work and Intel did.
I don't respond to AC's.
Could you imagine a market WITHOUT AMD?
Scary thought.......
Professional Audio applications aren't running with onboard AC97. You'll have added a high-end card, or two, to your system. The only way the N/S bridge chips could add crackles would be if they weren't exchanging data properly, in which case nothing would be running correctly on your computer.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
This is a 100% bonafide GOOD THING. Have you seen what these guys have done to each others margins? Have you seen how fast processor speeds have become these last 4 years? This is competition at its absolute finest.
Cheers to AMD for not giving up and dying. And cheers to that chairman of theirs who looks like he oughta be out selling chicken.
the Power 5 is even better. HT done right with muli core design.
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Honestly, I just built a desktop and didn't even consider Intel processors. It seemed that all the boards I wanted were AMD.
Coincidence?
And so is Intel, only they'll *also* have HT support for each core.
In all honesty, though, HT was developed to get around the massive wastes of the extra-long pipeline on the Pentium 4; so AMD doesn't really *need* any HT tech.
nVidia fanboy making irrelevant reply to the parent post.
Proceed with caution.
It's embarrassing when a company makes a mobile chip, that at 1.6GHz outperforms their "desktop" 2.8GHz chip, especially if 1.6GHz chip uses their previous generation core with bits and pieces of P4 core thrown in for compatibility. I just hope they pull their heads out of their butts and release a replacement for "fast but dumb" P4. And for the love of god, someone tell them to make this replacement 64 bit. There's no point in denying that 4GB of address space is no longer "enough for everybody".
I wouldn't say that Intel has everything wrapped up. comparing a Xeon to a 3800+ is hardly fair as you are comparing a server processor to a desktop one. Now if you compared it to say, an Opteron (a much more fair comparison), well then you'd see AMD still wins or pulls up even.
What's more, the more processors, the better. Hypertransport gives each processor it's own bus.
That said, comparing an FX-53 to a 3.8 GHz Intel would also be a more fair comparison. And while it's true that the Intel wins it's share of benchmarks, keep in mind: You are comparing a 3.8 GHz Intel chip to a lousy 2.6 GHz processor (the FX-53). Theoretically, the Intel should totally kick it's ass - but it doesn't. That's some good chip design there my friend!
I just got a 3800+ last week. All I can say is: WOW!
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presumably to appear knowledgeable. Having built upwards of 150 AMD XP systems, tens of which were for professional audio use, you're talking out of your arse. Any nforce2 board's audio system is usable: whether soundstorm compliant or not, they're *all* good. 2% cpu usagle onboard sound for free: at very high quality indeed. what *exactly* are you insinuating? care to detail your *exact* problems? onboard sound is no longer a poor substitute for a second card: it's now great - and if the chipset bundles it then you *know* that it's been tested to within an inch of it's life and will be stable.
put up, or shut up.
I wonder if they believe that they can eventually drive notebook sales upward to the point that they outsell Intel more often than a handful of times a year?
The article says that AMD's desktop successes are partially a result of Intel's tendency to emphasize notebooks. If "they" (Intel, I hope you mean) drive notebook sales upward, and assuming that damages desktop sales, Intel's sales would increase because of their notebook dominance and AMD's would decrease because of their desktop interests. Overall the desktop market would shrink (or grow less), while AMD's share of it might grow marginally as a result of the notebook market distracting Intel from pushing its desktop CPUs as aggressively. We might then have more "AMD Desktops Outsell Intel" stories, but it would definitely not be good news for AMD.
he obviously didn't even look at the article
I hate to support what this person is saying but I've had a hard time with my Athlon XP (2000+) recording audio. I am using a low end setup (Santa Cruz card), and I've had several recordings that were no good due to crackles and static which were fine when done with a low end Mac (running at only 466mHz) and a similar recording setup.
I love it for everything else though. Unless you must buy Intel, I have no idea why you wouldn't get an AMD and pay a lot less for the same performance.
I'd like them to make a dual core Pentium M, add the latest SSE stuff (SSE3?), an on-die, dual channel memory controller, a HyperTransport bus, and sell it for the desktop crowd.
Is that too much to ask? *sigh*
Then it's no wonder Intel Predicts Death of WWW, as seen earlier today on Slashdot.
Simpy
Ashamed to admit it, but I did RTFA and have a look at their graph. Nowhere did I see a mention that the research was limited to x86 desktops, but clearly it was. I'm absolutely certain PPC (IBM + Freescale) has a larger than one percent market share.
Finally, now I can stop hearing about how great Itaniums are and start seeing more amd64s on the market. (PS: don't tell me amd64's are pathetic and buggy. I run Gentoo Linux and 3 BSDs on an amd64 3400+, the rig is perfect for production programming.)
Either there is a serious case of hypocrisy or people on slashdot just do not buy computers. AMD has next to no market share but everyone here buys AMD? Kinda like how everyone here uses linux right but the desktop market share is less than 5%?
Funny, I've never had the problems you've described short of bad configs or bad boards. Shall we cite chapter and verse of Intel's mistakes lately? WE don't even have to talk about direct mistakes. The 810/815 series isn't exactly what I would call 'stable'. All things being equal there are ALWAYS cheaper alternatives that aren't quite as stable from Intel, VIA, SiS, and Nvidia. That's why you plan to get the better ones when stability is a must.
Last week I purchased a NEO2 board (NFORCE 3) and a 3800+ Athlon 64. It TOTALLY rules. Know what else? I do video and 3D rendering - a LOT of it. I have it OC'd about 5% so far too. No lockups. No 'crackles' from the Audigy. Everything is cool and I can't believe how frigging CHEAP it was!
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Uh, this is a VERY well known problem with Via 686B Southbridges (among others) and Creative labs soundcards. Neither company knows how to follow the PCI 2.0 or 2.1 spec and so burst data transfers done by the sound card are corrupted. Some Firewire cards also have problems transfering to the iPod for the same reason. The problems were enough to put me off VIA permenantly. I now use SiS chipsets for my AMD systems and have had no problems (I don't need any of the expensive integrated stuff from a NForce board).
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(hint: they're actually innovating)
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Why doesn't TFA state whether they are talking about the US market or worldwide sales? I know that they are talking about worldwide sales, because timothy implies it and my sanity tells me that AMD hasn't outperformed Intel in the US. But it's not my job to guess the obvious - the author of the article should make sure that everybody knows what he's talking about.
;)
However, I believe that this is good news. AMD offers more bang for the buck and they seem to focus on reasonable improvements while Intel concentrates on (expensive) ideas their marketing departement came up with (HT is an obvious example - it might make chips a little bit faster, but you obviously pay more for this speed gain than it's worth).
I know that AMD also came up with nifty technologies like the Athlon64, which doesn't suit any purpose for the average WinXP user right now, but quite a few people apparently think that it is a good idea to buy them and it won't hurt anybody in the long run if x86 computers become aware of 64 bits.
Since I only use OSS on my computer, which I usually compile on my own the Athlon64 even attracts me
I don't read replies by ACs.
The X-Box has outsold PS2 on a weekly basis in the past. It's sort of a blip lost in the noise of the whole "100 million units sold" thing. Vaguely interesting, but not really meaningful.
I posted in a reply that doesn't appear to be getting modded up, so:
The figures for Intel's total share are worldwide, not US. (I should know, my company is the source cited in the link.) Meanwhile the AMD weekly share data (from another company) is for US Retail system sales. So the two data points really aren't comparable on any basis.
I know the figures I cite are exclusive to x86 CPUs. Someone mentioned PowerPC in this thread, and Apple provides sales figures as part of their financials -- based on Q2 data, PowerPCs in Apples comprise about 1.8% of the market if you included them in the calculations.
Those weekly figures don't mean squat. I think AMD has good processors and actually I'm using VIA miniITX machines lately, simply because they are so nice and small, but the main market still belongs to Intel.
Oh well, what the hell...
As I understand it (which may be fulla holes) the N/S bridge chipset matters a lot. Professional audio apps are notorious for having problems on the PC platform and the problem is that the PC platform was not designed with realtime (or even psuedo realtime) constraints in mind.
Even if you have a pro audio card that does a/d conversion, the data still has to get from the card to HDD fast enough. The system is probably way more than fast enough on average, but you get pops anyway if some other process keeps the cpu busy long enough for a buffer somewhere to fill up.
The chipset is key because audio is much more i/o intensive than compute intensive. So, the bottlenecks are definitely on the i/o bus (or maybe memory bus? I dunno.). I would guess that any pro audio app will have code that's been hand tuned to work with the patterns of latency typical in intel hardware.
But still, cheers to AMD for kicking some flabby, complacent, celeron-crippling, market-segmenting, mhz-is-everything intel ass.
-chris
-cbare
in the last 5 min?
Give Apple a plug on Slashdot and you get modded up. Criticize them, and you get modded down.
Well, I work in pro audio and, last time I checked, the only people buying Macs for audio work were the ones using Protools systems. And since Protools moved to Windows, no-one is buying Macs anymore. Not that a Mac won't cut it (everything is done by the Protools hardware anyway), but people will simply buy the cheapest version (specs are exactly the same), and Macs are overpriced.
Apple needs to decide if it really wants to compete (and lower its prices) or if it just wants to keep its "superior" image - people are catching on that more expensive and more curvy does not mean better.
so RIP WWW must be true!
Opterons beat Xeons at media encoding.
Most sales are in the low-end anyway (very few people buy the fastest CPUs). Where Intel really scores is corporate "office" PCs (usually Celerons or very low-end P4s), because it has long-term contracts with big companies. If you look at systems bought or built by "enthusiasts" (gaming PCs / workstations / servers), the Opteron has been sweeping the floor with Intel for quite some time now.
I agree it's a good thing, perhaps people are actually making headway against retailers and doing some research.
Does AMD plan on pricing dual-core 64's in the "power-user / gamer" realm, or up into the high-dollar server realm?
I'm Rick James with mod points biatch!
Coincidence? Naah...
Does AMD plan on pricing dual-core 64's in the "power-user / gamer" realm, or up into the high-dollar server realm?
Both I believe. I've read they will have a 940 pin part (Opteron) and a 939 pin part (Athlon64). Currently there's a price premium for socket 939 boards and cpus, so it's adoption is relatively slow at the moment.
Socket 754 is a much better buy in price/performance terms. The upgradibility question is moot since no AMD boards have PCI-Express or DDR2, so you'll be buying a new board if you those technologies anyway.
- Intel still sell more CPUs than AMD
- My friends' AMD blew up so I'm never using them again
- The Celeron is a 'fine' processor
- People keep mentioning that VIA make CPUs (chuckles
;-)) - No-one gets to the point!
Being that competition is a GOOD thing - why Intel is allowed to bribe Dell into supporting its massive monopoly is mind boggling. Another thing that I don't understand is this - if Dell were to swap CPU lines overnight, from Intel to AMD, no-one would care because its the Dell brand that matters not the CPU maker - I suppose its just about volume - you can bet if AMD could guaratee supplies to Dell they'd do it because it would be good for profits, whatever deal they are getting from Intel.You object to having your job shipped to India, but you don't mind shipping a fab worker's job to Taiwan, or a logic designer's work to Japan.
What's with that? Buy Intel. They're American. The job you save will, ultimately, be your own.
"For the week ending August 21st AMD managed to capture 54% market share among new desktops sold. Intel's share during the week was 45%."
I'm sure it's that bastard who composed the "Intel Inside" jingle, sapping company profits with his royalties each time they run it!
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this doesn't include systems that people build for themselves, which more often than not are built around AMD processors.
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Uh oh.....time to start hating AMD.
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not many people realised it, but it isn't just with Creative Labs souncards. The PCI implementation on early (as in pre 166MHz FSB days) Socket A VIA chipset is a total mess. PCI transfers cross over each other causing corruption and lock ups. File transfers sometimes corrupt, there can be screen corruption, audio becomes distorted, I could go on.
Plonk a PCI video card in a VIA motherboard, go into the bios and set the PCI to optimal settings, then boot and set the screen to 256 colours. Loading the same image twice will load the same picture with different colours; you can watch the PCI corruption in real time.
I was stung by two motherboards from Asus with VIA chipsets. Both were total trash. I will never touch either brand again. I can not say enough bad things about Asus chosing to release motherboards over a long period of time that should have been blatantly obviously faulty.
The SiS & Intel chipsets I've come across have always been solid, not so the VIA.
Intel has faster clock speeds, but AMD chips are faster than Intels. A 2.0Ghz AMD chip will outperform a 3.0Ghz Intel. It will also be cheaper. It will also have less heat output, and take less power.
/. guys sure are about a year behind the times. I am not an AMD fanboy, I buy whatever has the best performance per dollar. I haven't bought an Intel since the classic 300a Celerons. Since that time, AMD has given more performance per dollar, and more recently, in the last year, AMD has been on the top of absolute performance.
For all your supposed tech savvy, you
Don't you guys read any reputable reviews and benchmarks? Spend less time bashing microsoft and do some more research.
We hate AMD we hate AMD.. that darn chip monopoly. Get your pitchforks ready. ;-)
there is a patch for this as long as you are running Windows 5+ (i think). I can tell you it fixed my BSODs a treat (Abit KT7a, SBLive). Seems to be beta and discontinued unfortunately, but like I said it works. I figure if/when i change OSes, I'll change the sound card. I only post this here because it might help someone else who recognises this problem (I didn't even realise it was the sound card, that was the last thing i thought to check. i thought i had a cracked mainboard!). Shame the necessary adjustments aren't built into the mainboard BIOS, or like you say, people kept to the spec.. this was a real arsehole to track down. I knew about the infamous VIA/Live! issue, but it only affected me after i changed from a UDMA66 to UDMA hard drive. So like i said, real arsehole that one.
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"AMD motherboards with cheap, ultra-crappy VIA south/northbridges and the like -- just won't cut it. You will get crackles in the audio, Professional Audio applications aren't running with onboard AC97." ya.. and my AC97 crackles quite nicely on my P4 based PC (with Via Chipset) If you're going to use it in a studio, pony up for a real soundcard. As for me, it works quite nicely for hobby recording..quick pass with an FFT filter clears up the static. Don't mistake this for an AMD problem. Via makes Intel boards too.
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Smaller engine=less area=less heat.
IIARTC, the OP is saying that the heat gained from speed is more than lost by reduced size.
Doesn't work all the time, it doesn't fix the fundamental problem, and it shouldn't be necessary. I was really, really pissed when I found out what the problem was. I had thought it was something wrong on the other equipment since I only ever recorded at live gigs with questionable setups (throwing warehouse parties leads to interesting audio setups). I had about 10 live shows recording get screwed up by this stupid bug. Like I said I will never build or own another Via based system.
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Since the GeForce 6600's are not available in retail yet, I wouldn't declare the future's "mainstream" ($150-$200) winner until we see x700 benchmarks and both are on retail shelves. Until then, the current mainstream cards are GeForceFX 5700/5750 and ATI Radeon 9600/x600.
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So far what I see is that AMD opteron provides 85% of the performance for 15% of the cost of the Itanium. Also the IBM Power5 simply wipes the floor with it on the higher end spec FP of 2700 vs 1700 and generally a better SMP architecture, higher throughput. much higher theoretical performance with a much small R&D investment.
They are fast but expensive, the compiler issue is a killer. They can not be made cheaply they are giant chips with large caches and tons of registers. Mainly the performance is not a result of any miracle of chip design but having the stack stored in registers.
Given the resources at intel in short time a reworked alpha could be developed with very high performance at a lower cost. Simply put intel has been out of the ISA game so long they really do not know what the hell they are doing
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Nice, I like how the story is a week old, the facts are stolen, and even the graph has been ripped from another site.
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Sun destroyed their server sales last quarter with their Opteron servers. Sun was #1 in server sales I believe mainly because of the opteron. 32 bits looks pedestrian to IT purchasing compared to 64 bit goodness
My last n desktops from oldest to newest:
Intel Pentium 90 (OC to 100Mhz after a year or so)
Intel Pentium 120 (OC to 133Mhz)
Intel Celeron 300A (OC to 450mhz of course)
Intel Celeron 633 (OC to something insane like 950 Mhz)
Intel Pentium III 1ghz (When the 633 blew up after a few short weeks)
Intel Pentium IV 2.26 Ghz - didn't seem any quicker than the PIII
For my latest PC I read up on the Northwood and Prescott CPUs. However, I live in Western Australia where summer daytime temps reach 40-45 deg celcius and nights don't get a whole lot cooler. My house has aircon, but last year everyone was told to switch it off because the power companies didn't see the massive switch to airconditioned homes coming a few years back, and their ageing equipment isn't up to the task. If you take a CPU running at 60+ degrees and 'cool' it with air at 35 degrees, it's not going to do much.
Having put together 4 Athlon XP machines for other people over the past 6 months or so, I've had my eye on their CPUs.
So... I now have an Athlon64 3400+ on a Gigabyte 'kitchen sink' MB with dual SATA 120 gig hard drives and a gig of ram. Bye bye, Intel.
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You can't sell less than 20% of the CPUs and more than 50% of the systems. Clearly AMD picked their data and foisted a PR piece on us. What really brough a chuckle to me is that Slashdot took the troll hook, line, sinker, pole and boat.
... for when the truth just won't do.
Reminds me of when Ford was getting their a$$ kicked by the Japanese car makers in the '80s and used to advertise the "best selling car designed and built in North America". Of course that died when the Japanese put their plants over here because costs were lower and worker quality was best.
These are no-name PCs sold through the retail channel only. I'm not so sure I'd want to be known as the CPU most prefered by guys who sell off the back of a truck.
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Its about time that a decent company came out on top (I remember 15 years ago when intel was crushing good competition and a 15mhz 386 chip (no motherboard) cost $1200 US and you were not allowed to buy a computer without having microsoft installed on it (even though there were competitors availible), because the belief was that you were going to pirate an OS from MS, and companies selling systems (where I worked) were locked into contracts with intel and MS and if you even said AMD out loud, intel could cancel your contract.. I use an AMD machine now, and I refuse to use overpriced, under-engineered orverated intel machines)....same with software, the sooner I get rid of microsoft and go to linux, the better. I can't wait to get a 64bit AMD machine!
Maybe AMD will sing this 70's jingle to taunt Intel?:
"OUR chips match YOUR chips --they RACE you they -- MOLD you-- they NEHvur let 'chu gohhhh."
* (or, SCOLD, or SCALD, or PROBE)
(A play on Leggs' "OUR Leggs fit YOUR legs -- they HELP you, they HOLD* you! They NEHHHvur let you go....")
DAMN! TOO much TV in the '70's!!!!
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
So this totally random sales statistic is more interesting than a story about the Intel Developers Forum ?
.. Stuff that matters " , yeah right .
How about the showing of Montecito , a chip with 1.7 Billion transistors . "News for nerds
blah blah blah blah blah intell blah blah blah blah amd is the
If this keeps up we'll soon have to switch to intel to ensure we ssupport the underdog
It's hard to hear anything inside Intel's ass.
For plain GHz monsters, AMD simply is the better price/performance deal. Now lets look at the situation from a different angle. Intel has a kick ass processor in their line. Yes the Pentium-M faster than most except the high end P4s only sold in servers and laptop computers. Outside of the US there is a huge market for machines which save energy (well in the US nobody thinks about energy, except for a god given right to be consumed probably) But the market currently is dominated by the rather measly VIA CPUs which have a huge following over here in Europe (and probably Asia) Well AMD currently reacts to the trend with their own line of new fast energy savers (which we will see probably in desktop boards soon, but definitely not from via :-) )
Via currently sells boatloads of their C3 stuff, and Transmeta probably would also if their stuff was available.
So where is Intel in that game. Basically nowhere, Intel itself says this is a notebook processor only.
Some third companies already produce industrial boards because the advantages of the PM over other intel designs are huge, blazingly fast, with a rather low power consumption. But those boards cost a fortune.
But the end user market is left to VIA. What happens here is basically the same thing Intel did in the 64 bit market, which basically was handed over to AMD. And if AMD can get their act together and have several companies producing boards in the ATX format using their new low powere cores, they basically will win the slowly but rapidly emerging home server market, which currently is a hobbyists market, but in a few years will become the mass market.
...which is Intel. A few percent here and there is nothing compared to making all the current computer owners out there buy a new CPU. Primarily by making people feel that their old CPU is missing lots of buzzword features.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Unless you're some sort of fanatically loyal Intel customer the better that AMD does the more likely it is that Intel will produce improved products to compete. Unlike MS, Intel isn't in a position to force its competitors into bankruptcy through illegal monopoly practices, and Intel doesn't have what it takes to buy AMD out.
I only wish there were a half-dozen major players in the chip market, rather than just two. Don't get me wrong, I've chosen AMD over Intel for years now and have been quite happy with the results (despite the bizarre brand-loyalty FUD that some Intel customers start screeching the moment they hear the initials "AMD"). But six different companies have a better chance of coming up with innovative products than just two, at least most of the time.
So as a customer I wish both Intel and AMD heaps of success, if only so both will remain in the market competing with one another. It's better for me, it's better for you - it's better for everyone except a few at the top of either corporation who long for an MS-style monopoly.
Max
My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
Listen -- I speak from experience, I KNOW what I am talking about. I use M-Audio soundcards, and there is a WELL-DOCUMENTED BUG in several VIA chipsets that makes PROFESSIONAL -- not AC'97 gaming -- use more or less impossible with these chipsets. As other posters have mentioned, there are some patchese, but in my experience those help slightly at best and make the problem worse at worst. KINDLY know what you are talking about the next time you are going to reply.
VIA's Intel boards might be cheap and crappy as well, but they do not have the well-documented bug that several of VIA's AMD chipsets have that makes high-bandwidth PCI usage a fucking hassle at best and impossible at worst. Again, I DO NOT USE A SHIT SOUNDCARD. I said I speak from experience, so kindly believe me... Even if this is Slashdot, infamous for people talking out of their asses.
HAH!
That's damn funny!
You were put-off by VIA, so now you only use chipsets by a company they own! Wonderful!
The only alternative to VIA is NVidia's NForce boards.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
I've always bought AMD simply due to the fact that less price gets you equivalent or better performance.
Have just upgraded my box to an Athlon 64 (w/motherboard and ram) for just £250 ($400)! Am well pleased with the results....
Ok so Intel has, until recently, held the market share of processors. Because of this they have been able to keep processor prices high, knowing that people will pay. Hence they have a small monopoly, and are kicking consumers arounds. INTEL BAD!
/.ers do this constantly, yea small guy, boo big guy. Then the tables turn and we are back to cheering the new small guy. Pick a side and stick with it please.
Enter AMD. Everyone likes to root for the underdog! GO TEAM! Now AMD has made some strides into and over Intel's market share. Soon they may even topple Intel. Where does that leave the consumer? We still have a small monopoly controlled by one company. You can't tell me that given enough time AMD won't become the next Intel with high prices in a locked market.
Apple free since 1990!
I've read they will have a 940 pin part (Opteron) and a 939 pin part (Athlon64).
I wonder what that extra pin is for? Perhaps it sends the chip an 'I am a server' signal?
If AMD got 54% and Intel 45%, that only leaves 1% unaccounted for. I find that a little difficult to believe. Do you mean to tell me that IBM/Motorola (PowerPC) chips, VIA chips, and Transmeta chips together only added up to 1% of the market?
Seems a little fishy to me
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one " -Albert Einstein
While I think that AMD might have a slight edge for the moment, for my use, programming, both products did the job adequately. The clincher was remembering Craig Barrett's statement pointing to the U.S. education system as a cause for offshoring. We should work to improve education in the U.S., but no teacher held a brownie to Mr. Barrett's head and said "the children are stupid, Craig, make your chips somewhere else..."
Mr. Barrett probably makes proportionately more money than most CEO's, or so recent studies woud promulgate. I'm confident that he would tell you differently regardless of the truth however.
Thanks for the choice, I enjoyed it.
Your perl might choke on it because it's not Perl. The vi editor would have little problem understanding that, so long as it's in command mode and you typed a colon first.
Yes, Perl is good with regular expressions and has a highly extended regex syntax compared to some other tools. I love Perl and do almost all my coding in it. It is not, however, the only place regexes are used.
My neighboor spent 900 on a brand new dell dimension 2400, when i showed him my ssytem (AMD inside) that costed 750 dollars and blew his system away in terms of performance and upgradability (the dimension doesnt even have an agp slot) he immediately asked me to sell his Dell on ebay and help him build a new computer using AMD...
i think most people just don't know enough about the nuts and bolts of computer hardware to make an informed decision with their dollars.. they see dell or maybe gateway/compaq and buy the best they can afford...
a real bummer
Creative Labs is not professional calibre cards.
I've had no issues with my Event Darla in and AMD box.