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Enterprise Fans Buy Full-Page Ad In LA Times
jangobongo writes "SciFiWire.com reports that fans of Star Trek Enterprise have succeeded in placing a full-page ad in the LA Times. The ad will urge someone to pick up the show for a fifth season. According to the official fan site, a Star Trek Enterprise fan working for the LA Times has arranged a special deal for a discounted ad. Donations collected to date have covered the cost of the ad which will be located in the "A" section of the paper on Feb. 21."
I hope it goes through! Go fans go!
Let it die already!
Could they not afford an add in the New York times??
I wonder when the demand for some shows will become great enough that fans will be able to finance entire shows DIRECTLY. Could probably save a pretty penny by not having to pay so many executives too.
Enterprise is by far the worst Star Trek series of all time, why save it?
Is this story an ad for an ad?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
.. and take out a fleet of Romulan ships with it. And that's how the Romulan Wars were started.
The entire open source community could hardly gather money for the Firefox add in 3(?) months, but a few Star Trek fans gather for an LA Times add in 2(?) weeks?
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They should have taken out an ad instead calling for the involuntary euthanasia of Rick Berman. I'd eat Alpo for a month to come up with the money to get behind that.
That have had similar campaigns is that the vast majority of the audience believed in the people behind them. Whether it was Angel, or Farscape, or even the original Star Trek, people respected the person(s) in charge of making the show happen, and they were upset with how a studio/channel treated them unfairly.
This is different, though. No one has been more vocal about the problems with B&B than the fans. Why support them? Why raise money for them to make another season? Let them take the fall on this one even if it means an end to Star Trek right now. It'd be better to start a campaign to raise money on the condition they were gone from the Star Trek helm.
This needs to not become a habit. If loads of people get full page adverts in magazines for every little fanbase then it will become meaningless.
Enterprise has been a rather poor series from the start. It didn't follow the Star Trek theme at all, it didn't feel like Star Trek. It seemed more of a parody which could of been named "Hicks in space".
I'm not a HUGE Trekkie, but I'll happily watch anything EXCEPT Enterprise. Where as I can't even stand to watch a full episode of the "new" series. I understand fans want to keep it around, but if it dies (and no offence to anyone but lets hope it does), we might get a real series. No more "Oh no we met a new race who think we're all hicks, lets make friends with them and save the universe!" and alot more "Well.. lets go look at that thing no one understands and go "WTF" when everything goes wrong or someone is taken over by an alien/warp entity thing.
Hell as far as I know they don't even have a Holo-deck, surely that cuts the series length in half without the "OMG SAFEY HAS BEEN REMOVED" episodes.
I like muppets.
If you want to spend money promoting someone else's commercial property, how about spending it on something worthy of love.
My campaign to save Webster in the late 80's didn't succeed and I don't see why this campaign will either.
Emmanuel Lewis, one day, you'll be back if it's the last thing I do.
I'm a big tall mofo.
Why the LA Times anyway, at least in USA Today more people would see it. Not that it helps, let the show die and let Star Trek get a fresh start in 5-6 more years.
Admittedly recent episodes are not as bad as the first season, which was little more than a container for P.C./lefty proselytization, but that still doesn't make it a good show.
Just because something is based on Star Trek, doesn't mean it deserves a stay of execution.
Lee
Muslim community leaders warn of backlash from tomorrow morning's terrorist attack.
TV... find a new hobby and stop wasting time. ... I (like many of us here) grew up with STNG, and i loved it, but it had something that Enterprise doesn't... an idealistic view of how the future might be IF WE WORK TOWARDS IT...
I know, i know... but it's Star Trek!
I just don't get that from Enterprise. And in the end, it's just a T.V. show, people. Grow up and care about something that is actually worth caring about
This is not the greatest
Actual advert here: http://enterprisefans.com/ad/final.pdf
Screw you and your let it die comments, this season of enterprise is kicking major ass!
your just another wannabe "let it die" fanboy.
Please! Stop it! A self-destruct device is anachronistic! It can't possibly happen before Kirk...did...it...in...Star...Trek...III!
Dump the shitty opening theme. It's a fucking insult.
At least save T'Pol.
There are "logical" reasons for this.
No, really. Honest...
The problem with socialism is that they always run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher
I like Star Wars because it has excellent acting and dealt with good versus evil. Star Wars is essentially a medieval tale (of knights and a princess) shrouded in sci-fi props: lasers, spaceships, etc.
The problem with Enterprise is the bad acting. and bad casting. Captain Archer needs to be replaced. We need a swashbuckler like Harrison Ford to be captain. Also, the "sexy role" should be assigned to the communications officer. Being sexy is more than being endowed with breasts; being sexy requires emotion, which is absent from the Vulcan, T'Pol.
We also need a new set of writers. We need to go back to the roots of ST-TOS. Deal with the social issues head on. Remember the old episode with the 2 aliens, each being half white and half black. At the end of the show, you realize that they hate each other because they are white on different sides. Wow. That was an excellent metaphore for race relations.
Enterprise should take homosexuality or Tibet and frame those issues in a big metaphor and give the punch line at the end.
If this ad in the "LA Times" succeeds, I hope that they revamp Enterprise in the way that I suggested. Gene Roddenbery had a great idea when he started ST-TOS. I just hope that it does not end in this horrible way: Enterprise and ST-Voyager.
By the way, another thing that I really like about ST-TOS and Star Wars is the following. Life is full of evil people. Yet, the 2 sci-fi stories say that sometimes, just sometimes, the good people win. I like that idea.
...have long gone.
Paramount owns Star Trek, and will not let the show continue on anything but UPN, and they've probably already filled Enterprise's time slot with some crud on Friday nights at UPN.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
Try moving out of your parents' basement first, pal.
Proud member of the American Non Sequitur Society. We might not make much sense, but boy do we love pizza!
While the first two seasons were a little lackluster at best the third season and now the forth season are quite good. They're finally starting to really get into the reasons why I wanted to watch this show in the first place: less of the temporal cold war crap and more of the war with the Romulans and the foundation of the Federation stuff. This has made the forth season of the show much more interesting and enjoyable than previous seasons. I can still understand why they are cancelling the series (due to low ratings). But it's a shame that we can so much reality show crap on TV now and so few decent story driven series. At least Enterprise will go out on a high note but I wish they'd given it more of a chance.
Where can I donate to make sure the show stays dead?
It's very sad that utter tripe gets so much violent support for no more or less reason than the attachment of the "Star Wars" name. Whereas actual quality cinema and television gets no support. I wonder, if the kinds of budgets Berman's Star Trek disasters get were assigned to someone with actual capability and talent, what could be done with them?
Help save Star Trek.
New writers needed.
Me too (TM)
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
Star Trek has become a soap opera set in space with time travelling nazis. Give me a break! THIS SHOW SUCKS! The "fans" should be embarassed.
And their over-engineered solutions. Imagine putting an http link to a pdf file in an LA Times ad! What a waste of space. I hope no one responds.
How about covering the hull of the enterprise in ads like a formula 1 race car?
Seeing a big Viagra ad splayed across the top of the saucer section would be worth watching the show again...
My rights don't need management.
something has to bugger up.
In all the the spin offs of Star Trek (STNG my fav) there's something wrong in every episode. They can replicate anything; transport pretty much anywhere; gather and dispense a great wealth of information to better improve life....and yet there's always some furry ass or an extreme-badass-acne-from-hell alien bastard throwing a monkey wrench in the whole scene of serenity.
I guess the episodes wouldn't be as entertaining if everything was perfect and tranquil with the Klingons.
Oh well...I'm sure Scott Bakula will be able to Quantum Leap to another show.
Some aim to please, I aim to tease.
check out The OP. Fox has the funniest sitcom on TV on the chopping block.
Here's a PTTHHHPPPP!!!!! to all the naysayers who thought we fans couldn't do it. We raised enough money for the USA Today ad, and GOT an LA Times ad!
As the bumpersticker says, "ENTERPRISE: We Won't Go Without A Fight!"
"Don't blame the log for the fire." --Andrew Ratshin
Leslie Moonves, Co-President and Co-COO of Viacom (listed on the ad) is a guy. So it's "Dear Mr. Moonves", not "Dear Ms. Moonves".
And don't use "To Whom it May Concern". Their actual names are listed on the ad.
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
"Put in something better...."
Like what, Sibling Swap? Survivor 32? American Idol: Reloaded Ad Nauseum? CSI: Buffalo?
I can't possibly see what would be a better use of a timeslot. Enterprise may not be all that great, but rest assured they'll replace it with something worse and redundant.
Face it: it's network television. Its fundamental purpose is to keep your attention between commercials. It wasn't doing a very good job of that, so they canned it. It has nothing to do with art. It has everything to do with commerce.
If they could show nothing but TV commercials and keep an audience that way, they would. But they can't - people get bored - so they put dollops of infantile fantasy, emotional pornography, and corporate disinformation masquerading as news to simply keep your attention between the commercials.
The death of Enterprise is just the latest example of this process.
RS
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
who care for a shit series like this to waste thousands on it.
Never much cared for Enterprise, but if anyone wants to bring back the Andy Griffith Show for another season, I'd surely watch that...
I tried to watch Battlestar Galactica.. I set my MythTV box to tape it and I got about 5 or 6 hours of them during the day on Friday on Sci-Fi. I didn't even think Lorne Greene was still alive for Christ's sake.. I can't believe they dragged him out of retirement for this shithole of a show. And Dirk Benedict!? WTF has he done since the A-Team? All in all, BSG sucked ass. Enterprise was much better IMHO. BSG had a very 1970's feel to it that just seemed cheesy. Class A crap. You people are all on crack if you think BSG is any good. Long live Star Trek!!!!
I was not aware that people truly read Newspapers anymore. The newspapers in my town (Augusta) completely suck and aren't worth the 12$ they're trying to sell it for. My parents stopped buying their paper up in Chicago for the same reason.
With the Internet becoming a place where news are instant and commentary is a little deeper, why are Newspapers still around? How are they remaining profitable?
hrrm.
If enough sci-fi fans thought it was good enough then it would get ratings.
An idea to spice up the show would be new uniforms . Have ALL the women including the hot vulcan in tight miniskirts just like in the original series. Remember the Vulcan in the StarTrek movie ? Hell make them even smaller skirts. Why not add some eroticism instead of staying stale and puritan.
I WOULD DEFINITELY WATCH THEN.
I was interested in seeing Enterprise. I have had broadcast for years (by choice) not cable, no UPN here. ABC, CBS, FOX, PBS and NBC. If the show doesn't reach people how can it even be judged? The point is I am interested in seeing it, but never will on UPN. An ad campaign to bring back something some have never seen is useless to me.
I can see it now..
:)
All the producers have to do is tragically kill off the entire crew.
Let see you revive the series then! HA!
Please stop, the shark is tired now.
Paramount owns Star Trek, and will not let the show continue on anything but UPN
Paramount's parent Viacom also owns CBS and a lot of cable channels.
...Enterprise Fans Waste Money On Full-Page Ad In LA Times
While I respect the fact that some want it to continue, it's a truly futile effort which is not going to go anywhere. Save your money to pay for the service to watch whatever Star Trek incarnation comes along next.
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
die and start something that would target the older fans. Philosophical ideas applied at the society level, rather than cheapish interactions at individual level was the original purpose of the show. There are plenty of soap operas out there, star trek need not be one.
I can just see the full page ad now...
"Please help us see that season four is not aired to completion. Join our cause and show your support for an early cancellation of the 'Lexx' television show before the rest of this season is shown.
Fans don't let friends do ass-carrot scenes."
In all this back and forthing Im suprised no one has thought of raising the funds through forward selling like they do on the stock market. Heres how it works.. I offer you the consumer the forward option of having first dibb's on the new "Enterprise Series" for a set sum. When all the funds ar raised productions starts. The upside is if the series sux everyones out a job because no one will forward buy the series so they have an even a bigger insentive to make the series work. This rasing the funs thing is just stupid in my books and is doomed to fail because its says to the producers "hai its a free ride just fill the episodes full of tech crap for the geeks.
yes, people's money is their own to spend. but come on. i at least hope that they spent more on tsunami donations, or donations to other local community service projects, than they donated to this ad. and some people wonder why the world views americans as selfish and foolish with their money.
cleverly disguised as a responsible adult ||
I REALLY hope this canceling doesn't turn into the same story as the original Star trek and Gundam.. That would just be hell.. Could anyone seriously see Enterprise being called "The series which revived Star trek and took it in a new generation" as people would say "Star trek revived Sci Fi and took it in a new bold direction"? I fear for the universe if Enterprise becomes cult..
I like muppets.
Exactly. Why can't people see that big companies like NBC--and even smaller ones like UPN--do this for what big companies do best: making money? Ad revenue is one of the few ways the networks keep themselves alive, besides any infusions from parent companies and TV-themed stores; that is why the spots are on in the first place.
In this case it's...
...and thus that second-last step is known to all.
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
A darkened cabin aboard this vessel.. Two figures lie in bed.
Zoom in on the perspiring figure of Captain Robert April, tossing and turning in a fitful sleep. Having consumed entirely too much Arcturian rarebit at dinner the night before, April suddenly sits bolt upright in bed, screaming "YAAAAHHHHH!!! in sheer terror, the result of a particularly long and horrible nightmare. Wife Sarah, rubbing the sleep from her own eyes, rolls over looking at him with concern and says, "Honey, what's wrong? What's wrong?"
Slow fade to black, roll credits.
No mod points, no meta-moderating/Firehose/all the other free work Slashdot wants me to do.
I think this is really great that people are willing to give money out of their own pockets to save a network television show. It could reflect the current situation of complete crap filling the airways, and the poeple do not want to lose the one show that is good out of them all. I am a big star trek fan, but I do know when a star trek show is bad. This one isnt it. The newer season episodes have been really good in my opinion, and I can honestly see why the fans want it to stay. Just because there is a new Battlestar doesnt mean u can stop wtching Enterprise and "let it die". Hell no.
Mess with the Best, Die Like the Rest
the problem with enterprise isn't the show, its ha da great 3rd and 4th series that tie the episodes together. (unlike TNG where enterprise just flew around the galaxy doing whatever and none of the episodes tied anything together)
Anyway, getting back to my point, the problem is that its shown on UPN. who watches UPN? nobody, look at their ratings on every show. If enterprise was on Fox the ratings would be through the roof. Heck where I live, there is no local UPN station (so I can't get with with my satalite subscriber or on a antenna) so I have to download the copy from usenet the morning after the new episode airs.
but here we do have local fox, abc, cbs, nbc, and wb (bleh) affiliates. for gods sake, show enterprise on anything other then UPN and you'd have great ratings. The problem isn't enterprise, the problem is that nobody watches UPN, no matter what UPN has on tv.
Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
Let's look at this story another way. Enterprise fans (who are among the most rabid bit torrent users, many because of UPN's limited audience) don't believe they're spending enough money on the show through eyeballs (commercials) and uploading. They feel the need to tell the studios that they're willing to pay more, so they took out an ad.
Do we need more evidence that current copyright law is hindering the progress of science and useful arts?
Studios, the Internet is there for more than just commercials served as web pages. We're willing to pay for content. We're ready for you. You will lose money if you stand in the way of progress, just like the US Constitution foretold 200 years ago. You can either help with something like iTunes or sue dead grandmothers until teenagers teach their parents how to take care of this themselves.
We have the technology to allow the market to directly tell you what they want. We want Firefly (just count those DVD sales). We want Family guy. Yet the studios count the millions who watch the Superbowl just for the commercials the same as a rabid fan base who will pay through the nose for a series on commercial free DVD. (Here's a tip, I don't like menus or "special features", I just want to use my DVD player like a CD player hooked up to the TV.)
[karma whore]Wait, this is Slashdot. Nobody likes Enterprise. How much did both Enterprise fans have to contribute for the full page ad?[/karma whore]
Yes, clearly all the people who are saying BSG is the best scifi show on television at the moment are delusional, and you mighty few are, in fact, correct. Or maybe you're just a bitter Trekkie. As the case may be.
What is ON UPN? Can you name ANYTHING besides Enterprise? I never watch the channel. It is full of shows no-one has ever heard of. If it wasn't for Enterprise it wouldn't matter to me if the channel disappeared from the face of the Earth. Advertising is only as effective as the people who watch it. You can advertize 24/7, but if you only advertise to the people who watch UPN, the rest of the world doesn't know you exist.
I wouldn't have known Enterprise existed if I hadn't read about it being created on Slashdot. I think if they could get on another network... a "REAL" network like ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, or even the WB they could do much better. Maybe they could get moved to the SciFi channel (not unlike how Law and Order: SVU and other shows air new on one network (say NBC) and the same new episode on another network later that day/week (USA in this case). Maybe they could go to USA. Or even (the bottom of the bucket that is) SpikeTV.
I think that is one of the biggest problems facing Enterprise. And when Enterprise fails, you can guess how easy it would be to get another Star Trek show on any network. I only get UPN because of cable/satellite, I can't pick it up otherwise (WAY too weak); and even then it doesn't look that good (slight ghosting, for example).
If they could only get on a more popular network, I think the popularity of the show would go up tremendosly as people found out it existed and could watch it more easily. I really hope the series survives. I like it quite a bit, and I think it is doing better now that DS9 did at the start (story-wise).
Good luck, NCC-1701(whatever).
Comment forecast: Bits of genius surrounded by a sea of mediocrity.
Evidently the two actual fans managed to find a third person to help sponsor the effort.
OMG! I thought the news articles advertising ads was limited to advertising super bowl ads. Guess I was wrong :-\
After all, if Enterprise has so many fans, why aren't they actually watching the show? Since that's the only thing that'll get it cancelled (certainly shitty storywriting hasn't up to this point).
I bet even with all this "campaign" that the ratings for Enterprise actually continue to slip (reflecting the true fact that nobody is watching the piece of shit that it is).
I think the writers of Trek should be made to watch the new Battlestar Galactica and Farscape. "see, this is what writing is supposed to be like".
They just missed the perfect opportunity for making a superbowl commerical. There are plenty of Star Trek fans who watch the superbowl. Anybody have any ideas for one?
After all, if the hugely entertaining Angel didn't get saved with the massive campaign they put behind it during the final season (where FYI viewing figures increased dramatically over previous seasons), what hope does the rather painfully average Enterprise have?
I didn't know that last comment was marked Funny. Heh! [blushes]
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BRING BACK JOSS WHEDON'S FIREFLY INSTEAD! A space/sci-fi show with a great cast (no really, they can actually ACT!), actual bullets, an M$-like evil corporation to hate and clever, witty stories and dialogue.
The Firefox ad was slow in coming. They raised the money very quickly but there was no word on what happened to it for a couple months.
If had had a drink every time the words "work together" were spoken... I'd be very, very drunk.
I guess you haven't been watching "Battlestar Galactica." I find it hard to imagine anybody who's seen that show saying, "I can't possibly see what would be a better use of a timeslot."
I would rather they bring back Mystery Sience Theater 3000 because I am sick of doing it at home with puppets.
"You'll never know the hurt I suffered nor the pain I rise above." - Bob Dylan
Would have been cheaper, and the Enquirer has roughly the same credibility as the LA Times. The spear campaign on Arnold during the election? California remembers.
I thought it was because they were black on different sides.
How about crashing the ship into a planet? Hold up, that's been done. How about ramming it into an enemy ship? No wait... What about a phasing cloak where it gets stuck in an...no, dammit! Uh, time travel...assimilation...green animal women... Oh, the hell with it.
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Right! What an affront to the viewer's decency. I burned my spock ears in protest.
Will these people actually pay to say to the world, "Hi, my name is Fred Smith, and adult male who lives in my parents basement and has never known the touch of a woman except for goodnight kisses from my mom."
Screw you and your let it live comments, this season of enterprise is sucking major ass!
You are just another wannabe "let it live" fanboy.
Actually I have seen BSG; and frankly I find it a far superior series in many ways.
However--BSG isn't looking for a timeslot, it already has one. My point was that no matter what new show they come up with it's probably just going to be something that already has 10 variations currently airing on other networks. If they fill it with reruns of some other show...same deal.
A crappy Trek series is a better use of the timeslot it was in because I seriously doubt anything truly unique and creative will take its place, and reruns are just that...reruns, I'd rather watch new episodes of a mediocre series.
Right. Enterprise. I'm sure it's a perfectly good show. Maybe even good. But am I the only one who instinctively turns their TV off before the end of the theme tune?
It could be the worst theme on television. Ever.
Watch it pink skin, or you may find yourself in a whole lot of trouble.
will be installed into the floor.
It's a little faery show, a soap opera in outer space that consists of mainly males, in tight spandex. I'd rather watch two flies fuck.
I know all you trek fanboys will cry. That will be the day that I am happy.
Look, you got 4 seasons of Enterprise. Be happy with that and STFU.
Generally, I'm happy if I get two solid seasons out of a decent, intelligent show, before it's gone. That is, of course, far less than Firefly got.
If your show runs 4 seasons, smile, say thanks, and go away. That goes for you Farscape nerds too.
So does that mean we'll be seeing Captain Kirk chasing the hot alien chicks again? W00t! Oh, wait...
(No, not "suck and die") but attract non star trek fans. I know many trek lovers at work. All of them hate Enterprise. Then there's the dedicated non SF crowd, like my wife, who actually likes Enterprise. She likes the characters more. Likes the lower tech "high tech." And she's not alone. The other Enterprise watchers I know didn't really like Trek before Enterprise. Enterprise's downfall? It isn't really working as a gateway drug. I don't know people who have moved off of enterprise onto harder SF. (Unlike firefly, which began soft and smooth, but I know people who live their social lives in the social equivalent of an abandoned building, straining shows like Andromeda through bread to get a SF high). Enterprise hasn't built a following of people who would watch another show from the same series. Contrast TNG, which made so many addicts that they were willing to watch a show about a space station that boldly sat in one place year after year.
www.voiceofthehive.com - Beekeeping and Honeybees for those who don't.
CSI: Buffalo - Funniest joke in the entire thread.
f enough sci-fi fans thought it was good enough then it would get ratings.
An idea to spice up the show would be new uniforms . Have ALL the women including the hot vulcan in tight miniskirts just like in the original series. Remember the Vulcan in the StarTrek movie ? Hell make them even smaller skirts. Why not add some eroticism instead of staying stale and puritan.
I WOULD DEFINITELY WATCH THEN.
Enterprise may not be all that great, but rest assured they'll replace it with something worse and redundant
Like "Love Boat The Next Generation"?
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
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I think that you could ship enough DVD/VHS units of this to fund a perpetual Trek series and save Social Security with what's left over. Think of all those Trekkies curious to know what Klingon boobies look like (personally, I think they'd look like Janet Jackson's, but with a more badass piercing). And you know there's got to be some old Uhuru upskirt out-takes somewhere in the Paramount film vault...
k.
"In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart." - Anne Frank
I love the articles here, but any time I venture into the comments section, I wind up irritated and depressed at humanity's future prospects.
Slashdot commentators seem to combine the arrogance and incivility of your average adolescent with the cantankerous anger of a bitter old man. Most of you don't seem to love anything, and if you do stumble across someone expressing appreciation or admiration for anything, you just DUMP ALL OVER IT.
That's my general statement. Now about this topic in particular:
I LIKE Enterprise. Yes, it has taken a few years to hit its stride. This seems to be the pattern for these Berman-produced Trek vehicles. They get better as they go along. I thought this one would be particularly challenging for them to pull off, because writing a past history for any established storyline is just hard. You have to work within the strictures of what has already been plotted, not violate any rules already laid down, but still keep things fresh and unpredictable. Furthermore, since they are working in a reality that is lacking quite a few of the standard Star Trek devices (meaning both technology and plot devices), they can't just fall back on old storylines like holodecks (not invented yet), Q continuum (won't meet them for centuries), the Borg (likewise), or even original Trek conventions like the Klingon War or the Romulan Neutral Zone (yet to happen/be established.)
I wasn't wild about the Temporal Cold War plotlines, but there is an ongoing theme, well established during Voyager, that Temporal violations are possible and certain organizations work hard to prevent that from happening. The TCW plots at least establish some of the "history" (slippery word when you're talking about time travel) that led to that sort of management.
And this season, I think they are really getting to the meat of the plots, the establishment of much of what we first came to like about Star Trek: The Federation (and Humans central role in bringing it about), the battles with the Romulans that will lead to the Zone, the roots of the Klingon/Terran conflict, the moral dilemmas that necessitate the Prime Directive, reliable Transporter technology, and so on. Between the First Contact movie and Enterprise, the Zefram Cochrane/Warp Drive/Vulcan first contact plot line has really been fleshed out, and now seems like a genuine part of Trek history.
Those are reasons why I like it. I don't demand that YOU do. But why do so many people around here WANT it to die? This isn't 1975, with just three big TV networks and very limited programming space. It's 2005, there are dozens of networks and hundreds of channels. There's plenty of room for both Trek and Battlestar Galactica, and whatever else. If you don't like Trek, don't watch it. I'll admit that plenty of people have made that choice, and that's why the show is in peril. But ferchrisakes, don't demand that it be taken off just because it doesn't appeal to YOU. And if those of us who do enjoy it make some effort to keep it on, please try not to savage us, or disparage the attempt. I'm much more turned off by apathy than by people earnestly trying to do something, even something a little silly.
Better to tilt at windmills than to just sit home in your underwear and type snide comments at people you haven't (and probably never will) meet.
The SpreadFireFox donations were a lot more than was needed for the advertisement. What are you talking about?
Geeze... Farscape was a great show...
Enterprise could be retired however the pointed ear chick in the shower did perk up some geeks...
Brilliant!
However, may I suggest a slight change of cast and location: something like this...
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I think it's ironic that one of the most celebrated sci-fi shows right now is written by a Star Trek writer who gave up on that franchise. Battlestar Galactica is written by Ron Moore (among others), and his background is Trek (DS9, I think). He was clearly disillusioned -- in a video interview on the BSG site, he talks about working on Trek and how he couldn't see any reason to do any more sci-fi, unless he could actually do something new with it. That sounds like a nice high-minded goal -- until you realize the implication is that Trek was driving him nuts with stale storylines.
It's no wonder that BSG has all the elements I loved of the original Star Trek: lots of sex; great space battles; tension and trouble for the crew; sometimes crap technology that makes things difficult or worse for the crew; and real drama. There is so much sex in BSG, I almost half-expect to see a green bellydancer. And it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Starbuck get her in bed. What I like about BSG, and this was also true of Farscape, is that it feels like a space world I can relate to. People act imperfectly. They disagree. Bad things happen. Getting past a bad thing can take more than one episode, and even if it's overcome, people will refer to it and learn from it, in future episodes.
I think the fans should take note: when the writers of Trek leave and start kicking Trek's ass with infinitely better shows, it's time to move on.
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Sure, they'll probably file it in the trash before they look at it, perhaps even sending you a polite rejection letter if you're lucky. Be sure to send a short synopsis of the plot and major waypoints of the storyline you intend along with the story, and be sure to mail a copy to yourself (which remains unopened until court) in case your idea gets robbed.
Before BigBiz started doing this stuff, the major Sci-Fi outfits (eg Astounding Science Fiction, Amazing Storeis and Thrilling Wonder Stories) were happy to receive submissions from readers. Many would be rejected, but a lucky few, including Isaac Asimov had several stories published and went on to forge careers from Sci-Fi because people enjoyed their work. Right now, the ratings for Enterprise are low, not because there's no demand for sci-fi or because the market's too saturated, but because Enterprise is still using alien time-traveling nazis. And once you've seen B5, or V, or read Foundation, or hell, even watched Andromeda, this level of surrealism just doesn't belong in the kind of thing which expects an hour of my life every week. If the show is to be popular, it needs to decide if its audience is
- a) Lowest common denominator
- b) Sci-Fi fans
Sure, less than 0.01% of the population wants to have to understand nuclear fission and special relatvity in order to watch TV, but let's stop the surrealism before we end up with Nazis being accidentally sucked back through a wormhole to the 1770's, riding flying dragons and having the King's men needing to be rescued by brave starfleet officers, aided in turn by a friendly witch they somehow replicated in the holodeck when the elven lieutenant accidentally typo'd a spoken command in the previous week's must-prove-I-am-NOT-typecast (read: holodeck) episode.Send them some ideas. They could really use them.
Then, Brent Spiner entered the dimly-lit place and talked to the bad actors and my head went ALL EXPLODEY because I just couldn't believe he would submit himself to such a piece of crap! As long as his scenes were separate, I could convince myself that they had just accidentally spliced together two different shows. But then they came together and I was sad and I never watched Enterprise again.
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Trek has done so much for so many people, losing it would be like losing a good friend. It is much more important than a web browser ad.
"During a highly praised peak in creative vigor and audience enthusiasm, "
interpetation:
creativity has risen from really sucky to mostly sucky, and ST fans are a fanatical as ever.
"Enterprise was
canceled by UPN and will need a new home when the current season ends in May."
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It's the best thing evar! the fact that it gets stinky ratings proves nothing.
"A prequel to the original Star Trek of the 1960's, Enterprise features imaginative stories that touch on elements of Trek lore and relevant current events, "
Current events like Large breatsed aliens, crappy writing, changes in continuity, and more time travel.
"a technical crew second to none and a superbly talented cast"
interpetation:
Lets stroke some egos so we can get them on board.
" The show has never been more admired by its audience than in this, its fourth season. Enterprise has viewers excited about Star Trek again."
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Ignore the actuall viewer numbers, me and my ST club think is cool, point in fact, we meet in my moms basement once a week!
"Fan support for Star Trek is legendary,"
interpetation:
ST fans have a long history of restraining orders
" and that tradition continues with Star Trek: Enterprise."
interpetation:
Hey, we want to be cool now.
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And in other news...
Married with children fans buy a full-page ad in Chicago Tribune. They demand that the mayor pushes his weight around to get Al Bundy et al on TV again.
Ummm maybe geeks are a whole lot more sheltered than I credited them for, but it may interest the geek community to know that there was this REALLY big wave that killed hundreds of thousands of people, and destroyed many more lives. These people could probably have put the money raised towards that ad to a lot better use than a newspaper that will run an ad begging for a fantasy show to be continued, that had no practical application, and was cancelled in the first place because NOBODY WANTED TO WATCH IT and thefore was not even financially viable enough to run.
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Cylons.
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What? Both of 'em?
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When we placed the ad with the NY Times, we got a discount for taking it when they (the NY Times) wanted to within a two week window. With this one, they've got a guy who works for the LA Times, so he probably got the discount as well as the chance to pick his/her own date.
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I've been a fan of Star Trek since the 60's. When TNG came out, I was very reluctant to watch it, but with the encouragement of a friend, I did, and I liked it. My wife and I both got into it, and we have enjoyed Trek in all of it's incarnations thus far.
Of all the Trek series, we think Enterprise, while it has great potential, has missed the mark... until these last few episodes, anyway. First of all, I think Paramount made a HUGE mistake by thumbing its nose at the fans, when they complained about aspects of the show. One of the biggest gripes seems to be the opening theme music. Personally, I don't care that much about the music, but Paramount's ATTITUDE about it disturbs me! Basically, when presented with petitions containing many thousands of signatures, they said "Go pound sand. The music stays."
They have alienated a lot of people... ticked them off, and they have stopped watching. My wife and I are turned-off by the occaisional crude language or "steamy" scenes that they drop-in every now and then. That ain't Star Trek! I wonder how many others feel the same way.
If they had started picking up the current storylines sooner, (and capitulated to the fans regarding the music) I'd be willing to wager that this show would be pulling much better ratings, and would NOT be near extinction.
I welcome other's thoughts, here. What think ye?
Willie...
One thing I don't understand is all the fuss that comes on slashdot when a show is getting cancelled. I'm not going to say Futurama or the Family Guy or Firefly or Enterprise isn't a good show, but it should be clear as day to anyone watching television that quality is a poor indicator of a show's success. And sometimes a show becomes incredibly successful when it enters syndication - but that isn't something you can really bank on.
People, if you want to prevent your show from being cancelled, the answer is simple: SUPPORT IT. And I mean while it's still on the air, before it gets announced on slashdot that it's going to be killed. Watch every episode, tell your friends to watch it, make fan websites devoted to the show and its cast, buy merchandise related to your show, and buy whatever crap is advertised during your show's commercial breaks. Whenever slashdot runs a story about the next sci-fi series on the chopping block, I'm usually not surprised. Because outside the reality-distortion-field of slashdot, it's clear to me that not a lot of people support the show.
Yes, sometimes networks put shows in unfortunate slots or don't put as much money into production as say, the O.C. But if there is anything to be guaranteed about corporations is that their actions are going to be centered around what's best for them. Do you think they would even consider dropping Enterprise if it a had a huge devout following like American Idol? Money is ultimately the bottom line, and will speak much louder than any petition or ad in the LA Times.
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Have you seen this? Two new episodes of TOS, with more on the way.
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A friend recommended me to watch the pilot of Battlestar Galactica. After seeing that (then of course watching the entire season1), I have this to say to enterprize fans: Good luck.
This is obviously just my humble personal opinion, but from what ive seen, ST:E has absolutly -nothing- on BSG.
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
Hey it saved Mystery Science Theator 3000. Oh wait. No. It didn't.
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And considering that Archer approved Trip's request for transfer, the plotline seems set to end, however abruptly.
Since apple users buy up anything thats crap or a already existing piece of technology, mp3 players, and slap a apple logo on it and consider it the greatest thing since sliced bread. Hey wow a memory stick audio player never knew these things existed!
Dumbasses, if the show was worth saving it would have the ratings to keep it around. Instead of wasting money on a ad to try and save it make a ad thanking them for keeping this steaming load around in another incarnation as long as they have.
It's time to get out of your parent's basement, get some sunshine, meet a girl and generally get on with your life.
I think the fact that Ronald D. Moore--who was a writer and/or was involved in some of the very best episodes of ST:TNG and ST:DS9--wasn't involved with Enterprise is the reason why Enterprise did poorly.
To show how much Paramount misses Moore, it was Ron Moore who was the developer of the re-make of the Battlestar Galactica series, a TV series that has VASTLY exceeded everyone's expectations due to its surprisingly good storyline and acting. If Moore had been involved with Enterprise, UPN wouldn't be cancelling it right now because there would be vastly better storylines, for starters.
You'd think with all the nerds here, someone would have pointed out he means "nacelles," not thrusters.
These guys put their ad in the wrong paper. I live in LA and my wife works in the entertainment industry. The only thing that matters is Variety.. Everyone reads Variety. From wannabes to studio heads. Therefore, everyone in the biz advertises in Variety.
The LA Times is a newspaper, not a trade rag. No one will the Enterprise ad. It was a waste of money and effort.
I think you're being humourous... but I can't quite tell... just in case though, since someone has already replied as though you were serious, they're talking about the currently running BSG... it starts Edward James Olmos (for some reason), and the first lady from Independance Day...
since I've only seen two episodes of this new series so far, I haven't formed a real opinion of it yet... check back in a couple months...
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Ragnarok is at hand...
- All of Us
- Eve
- Enterprise
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- Kevin Hall
- One on One
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- Second Time Around
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- Top Model 3
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- Veronica Mars
UPN is saying "bye" to 90% of their viewers by dropping Enterprise, I haven't even heard of these other shows (other than WWE I guess from Spike). A possible solution may be to move it to another network where it has a larger view base, but I doubt (sadly) that would happen.The most recent episode made clear how Archer was integral to the creation of the Federation.
Soon I'll bet we get an episode about the Suliban and the cold war. I expect they'll let us know who that holographic time lord was and re-kindle that sub-plot that'll lead to the next series/spin-off.
They've still got to explain the glaring differences between the Enterprise and Start Trek TOS universes. i.e. Why Archer and this Enterprise history isn't known by the Kirk and Spock gang.
They're preparing the setting and cast for the next show. I figure that's why Trip's going to the Columbia, why Flox get's kidnapped.
I dig the show and I look forward to the next series. Wow, T'Pol, what a babe, my favorite character.
If you really want to know you can read the pre-production report of the final episode.
Maybe you haven't noticed, Battlestar airs 10pm EST on SciFi. Why are you comparing the Enterprise timeslot to this? What he was saying was UPN is going to fill Enterprises time slot with a random low cost show, most likely won't be sci fi.
It would time travel back from the future and save itself.
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Damn that was funny! But Trekkies, like Klingons, are legendary for their inability to appreciate sarcasm.
what it i comes down to is that tv is run by the advitisors, and i doubt the advertisers will look at a few dedicated trekkies with deep pockets to target ads too. unfortunitately, i think shows like the OC and crappy fomula reality shows are here to stay.
Aside from the mood of the series being too somber and serious, and character development waning at times, when they announced the budget would be cut again last year it was pretty much the death knell.
Really though, you can only do so much on a shoestring budget for a syndicated sci-fi series. Beyond that and you start relying on gimmicks and tired plotlines (time travel, ship romances, etc) to carry the show along.
Personally I would have liked to see the show's writers, realizing they had no budget, delve more into the weird and wacky like the original Trek had to, like tribbles or mirror-dimension T'Pol sporting a moustache.
At least it would've been a good laugh.
Wow, T'Pol, what a babe, my favorite character.
fuck! get out of the goddamn house. i've seen crack whores that are better looking than that skank. there are probably 10 hotter chicks within 1 block of your house. you might see one and get within 5 feet of a real woman if you'd just leave the fucking basement once in awhile.
Why on Earth would I want that?
Because I'm tired of how Rick Berman has absolutely destroyed the history, continuity, and philosophy of the series. Though I no longer agree with much of the philosopy of Gene Rodenberry (no money, for instance), his vision is important to what Star Trek IS; a utopian vision of the future. It doesn't make good government, but it makes great TV, or at least it did. For whatever reason, Berman has decided that this core philosophy is unimportant, and that the history of the storyline is as well. I'm quite tired of hearing "Oh well, First Contact changed the timeline anyway". That doesn't cut it. Time travel has been used as a crutch for weak ratings far too many times in the franchise. Got a problem? Go back in time to fix/prevent it. In Rodenberry's universe, there was no Captain Archer, no space Nazis, and no temporal cold war. All of these things change the very fabric of the Star Trek universe. The only truly interesting thing that could happen (and the only way to make things right) is for some giant cosmic event to wipe it all out, and we discover that Berman's stories never happened.
It's not going to happen. Better to let Enterprise die and mourn the franchise.
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this ad isnt stupid because of potential tsunami donations. This ad is stupid for the same reason such donations are stupid.
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Well, one can discuss in absurdum wether or not Enterprise was worthwhile.
The question of wether or not the death of Enterprise is a good thing, is a completely different thing.
Concidering the hardcore fans has complained about how the series have developed ever since they made an episode that was not TOS, especially the Voyager and Enterprise series, can we really be sure that Paramount will actually go for another series? Or will they fear that it is too unsecure a step to take from an economic standpoint?
War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.
Ah, yes. Now others will experience the same horror I did when my favorite UPN show (Nowhere Man), was replaced with this...
"Sometimes a woman is a kind of religion, she can save your soul & set you free from all your sins" - Bad Examples
Are you f'in kidding me? That show sucked so bad. GOOD RIDDINS
I think the problem with Enterprise is that the Star Trek universe has become uninteresting. The shows just don't inspire a sense of adventure. Trek should really be put on hiatus. Let the whole thing sit for a few years and if after 6 or 7 years (minimum) there is still support for the franchise, then they should probably try spending some money on a new movie...
Trek is no longer the creative playground it once was...it has become a box that stifles creativity.
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but I was turned off to Enterprise after the first couple of episodes because it just seems to appeal to a rebel, redneck, and possibly right-wing type of personality. How many people who read the LA Times do they think they're going to get?
Now, where can I donate for that?
There is no fucking way Enterprise can compete with SciFi Friday, the biggest night of scifi programming EVER.
Once 8PM comes around, I'm watching Stargate SG1, Stargate Atlantis, and Battlestar Gallactica.
Enterprise takes a piss on every other series, and getting cancelled is just what it needs to be.
They screwup the timeline and the possibilities. They replace substance with "biogel" scenes.
I hope you fail.
I find myself wondering why these people are bothering...but then again, if I stop and think about it for a minute, it's not difficult to figure it out.
I suspect these fans are worried (and probably justifiably so) that if Enterprise is axed, it will finally truly be the end of Trek in general...and so therefore, as much of a twisted abomination as Enterprise surely is, in their minds it's infinitely more desirable than nothing at all.
There's something they're not realising, however...Namely that the entire reason why I think Gene's vision has vanished from the show is because America in particular has been blanketed by such intense, nihilistic darkness at the moment that it can no longer see it. Gene believed in a better future...America now is dominated by old men like Jerry Falwell and others who believe the only thing that lies ahead is Armageddon.
Out of the two, I certainly know which scenario I and a number of others prefer...the only problem is that Falwell and the other wingnuts of his ilk outnumber those who want to believe in any kind of optimistic future scenario by a factor of probably a thousand to one.
Then again, maybe these fans do see that...maybe what they're thinking is that that is why it's more important than ever that Trek survive right now...After all, light is never more desperately needed than at those times when you can't see your hand in front of your face...and that is exactly the scenario large parts of the world are in right now.
What will be next if this doesn't succeed? Will they be building their own spaceship and travel where no man has gone before? Or will they just get a job a girlfriend and a normal life. And go where no trekky has gone before...
With all of the suffering going on in the world ( tsunami ? ), the political battles in IT which effect us here on slashdot, and all of the good things that could be done in the US these people get off their ass to save a TV show ?
hot! Tea growers in india are still reaping the benefits of Picards fondness for the brew! Not to mention also the Romulan ale brewers.. ;)
Funny, you mention DS9 and Voyager. Many fans rejected those two as well. I still liked TNG, but my interest declined with DS9. Voyager had a couple of good specials, but was in general not really exiting. (I enjoyed the episode featuring the two greedy ferengi, who went through worm hole in TNG)
... problem solved. Things like that.... ... but the worst nightmare of everybody else. There are no emotions, no individuality. There is neither drama nor humor.
Anyway, I'm quite sure that in a couple of years, we will see the same happening with the next version of StarTrek. Fans will complain about it ruining StarTrek and that it went downhill only after Enterprise.
So why did it start to bore me and why do fans reject newer incarnations of Star Trek? Well it just gets dull over time. There is only a certain set of plots they keep using and that's it. The ship/station/whatever gets into some kind of intergalactical storm/quantum fluctuation. The crew redirects the sodium flow through the flux compensator
The life within the Star Trek universe too is not really that exciting. It is a 14-year-old geek's wet dream,
The shows would have to grow with the audience, add complexity, character development, food for thought, but they can't and they won't, because after all, a new generation of teenaged geeks want their Star Trek too.
Boy am I going to loose karma because of this....
I bet they didn't hear Evil Captain Kirk's speech in a famous Startrek Convention :P
The producers tried to follow the Star Wars "back to the future" model and couldn't pull it off. The nature of Trek has always been futuristic, and Trek fans expect it to continue along a linear, forward-moving timeline (chrono-based episode plots notwithstanding). The only was a new Trek series will succeed is to stay with the model that has always worked for it and move forward in time.
Ignorance is curable, stupid is forever.
The Aenar (ep. 4.13) is full of telltale scenes proving that the cast, crew and writers were told of the cancellation during its making:
Romulan Voice of Reason (R'Vor): Admiral, the humans did a great deal of damage to the ship and the one kidnapped alien on which our whole strategy depends needs some sleep!
Admiral: We have been hired for three episodes, and three episodes we shall make! Arrr, mateys! Attack!
R'Vor: Very well. Say, do you think I can keep this jacket? It's kinda cool, like it came from a Duran Duran video.
Admiral: Bid for it on eBay like everyone else.
****
Shran: The Aenar are a race of blind Andorians who live below the surface. They were thought completely mythical until just 50 years ago...sadly there are only a few thousand of them left.
Archer: I guess that explains their huge high-tech city, which is lit up like Times Square.
Shran: Dammit, Pinkskin, I'm a hotheaded but friendly alien, not a continuity guy.
****
T'Pol: I should be the one to test the device. Repeatedly.
Phlox: Well, yes, Vulcans do have some telepathic ability...
T'Pol: No, I mean if I can get my character killed off now I can do rehab and still have time to audition for some pilots.
****
Shran: Stay out of trouble, Pinkskin, because you probably won't see me for a while.
Archer: Why? Will the Imperial Command punish you for losing your ship?
Shran: No...it's just...do you have any idea how much these antennae cost?
****
Tucker: Cap'n, I demand a transfer.
Archer: No! I won't approve it!
Tucker: I'd rather not explain why I need it, but I'm beggin' you as a friend, please transfer me.
Archer: Is it T'Pol?
Tucker: No, it's, well, um...it's my agent. He says if I can get out now there's still a shot at a bit part on Desperate Housewives.
Archer: Really? Listen, can you have your agent call my agent? Thanks. Transfer approved.
****
Archer: Archer to Hoshi!
(silence)
Archer: Archer to Mayweather!
(silence)
Phlox: They can't speak, captain.
Archer: What? Is it an alien virus? Romulan telepaths? What???
Phlox: No, if they're given speaking parts this week the producers will have to pay them full scale.
Archer: Dammit.
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It makes sense to me. Take the show off the air, and let me pay for it this way -- up front. Give me some updates on progress, pictures, etc.
Perhaps fans should instead, buy the rights to ST, and release it into the public domain -- I haven't read any fan-fiction, but I would expect that some of it is quite good, and far better than some of the drivel that irks lots of us fans.
Also, there are a couple of fan-generated serieses, which I would also watch -- just because it is Trek.
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What would revive Enterprise is a major plot twist - making one of the main characters switch sides. To find out that she was a Tal Shiar operative all along or something would be great.
...I had for the new series... tandem series that start during the klingon-romulan alliance but chronicle the war.... enough of these puny humans and their ideals of peace... lets get some serious space battles going... have one show entirely from the romulan POV, and one from the klingons...
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Ragnarok is at hand...
Let me commit a little heresy but the reality is Star Trek has never been that good. The original series was hokey and the subsequent reincarnations have been tired retreads.
Examples? Every 3rd rate sci-fi show from "Lost in Space" to "Seaquest" has had the Will Robinson character to allegedly get the teen viewers and generate publicity in Tiger Beat. If Gene Roddenberry was such the sci-fi genious, why did he repeat that in TNG?
True, the series picked up after they dumped Will Robinson but TNG was filled with other boring repeats. It seems that any time the writers couldn't come up with a new idea they it would be time for another "The Holodeck goes Crazy" or "Alternate universe" episode. Think about how many times over the star trek series that was an episode involving the inability to turn off the holodeck.
Then we have the character repeates: Data, Odo, the Doctor.
And all the "it just wouldn't happen". Can anyone explain why, when Capt. Janeway would order "Senior Officers to the Conference Room", ENSIGN Harry Kim would always be there?
All of these boring lack of ideas came together in the last Star Trek movie. I remember reading an articule where the producer said he was shocked at its failure because it had all the elements of a hit. Dud! Just combining elements from previous movies doesn't make a hit. HELLO, HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN THE WRATH OF KHAN????
True, ENTERPRISE didn't repeat a lot of this nonsense (e.g. holodeck, the "want's to be human" character). However, the whole thing just seems to be shoddy. For example, imagine yourself as the producer and someone came to you with that dreadful theme song. Anyone who cared would have trashed it immediately.
Which brings me to my second point. There is obviously a leadership problem at Star Trek, Inc. It's remeniscient of what happened at Dr. Who. At the height of Dr. Who, 20 years on the air and with Tom Baker as the doctor, the BBC brought in a new producer who ran the show right into the ground.
My final point, the one that most contributed to the demise of ENTERPRISE, is competition. I haven't seen any ENTERPRISE episodes all season. While I thought ENTERPRISE was marginal all along, as a Sci-Fi fan, I would usually catch it on Wednesday nights.
What did they do this season? They moved it to Friday nights. And what is on Friday nights?
That's the night the Sci-Fi channel is running Stargate:SG-1, Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica, all of which are much better than ENTERPRISE. Holy Marketing, BATAMAN! No wonder the ratings dropped this season.
If you're the 2nd best Sci-Fi show and you're going after the Sci-Fi segement of the market, it makes no sense to pur your show up against the best Sci-Fi show. Obviously, someone at UPN wanted ENTERPRISE to go away.
Star Trek: RIP.
Come back only after you can get some original material.
...the Enterprise fans should put that money toward paying for a better theme song. "Worst theme ev-er!"
The re-imagined Galactica is hands down the best science fiction on TV right now. The Trek world is cool, don't get me wrong, but, Galactica is newer, fresher, has better writing, better actors, and thank god, does not have holodecks.
And yes, the new Col Tigh is infinitely more interesting than any Star Trek XO ever was.
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The opening song was great, then they changed it and then everything went down hill from there.
Fix the song and all will be well.
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But not crappy new style ones. We need the old school bad ass tin cans.
Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
Yah, cuz it's not like SCI-FI dont show em twice or something. No you can only watch one or the other, or else commandos from the future will kill you.
Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
Yah, what they fuck are they doing!!1 They should be brutally exterminating all life they can not dominate when they come across it.
It's almost like they might start to form some kind of multi species group who act for the good of the group, a federation if you will.
Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.