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Previously Uncontacted Amazon Tribe Photographed
ManicMechanic and other readers sent in news of a tribe of aboriginal people from the border of Peru and Brazil that has been photographed by helicopter for the first time. The images show huts in a village and people in red body paint shooting arrows at the helicopter. The outfit that released the photos, Survival International, works to end illegal logging in the rainforest in order to protect the uncontacted tribes living there. They estimate that 100 uncontacted groups exist worldwide, about half of them in the Amazon basin.
Helicopter versus spearmen?
The f#*&ing spearmen.
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quick, drop some XO's for them, THEY NEEDS THE INTERNETS
like phosphorescent desert buttons singing one familiar song
Well said !!
I am going to stop loggin into Amazon too. Why let them have my cc# on file ? Each time I am going to type it in!! Be green!!
Which one? I don't see that.
I like how Slashdot linked to the smallest picture available. The actual pictures are surprisingly good.
"Greasy inbred savages"? Columbus, is that you?
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I for one would have loved to have been able to hear and understand the conversation that took place among that tribe after the helicopter passed over.
You're right, the picture that the summary links to does look fake, 90x57 dimensions are high def enough for me to tell that this is all CGI.
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Those cameras are watching everyone now!
Someone setup a jungle expedition. Those tribesmen need tinfoil hats!
That helicopter is probably some sort of god or devil beast to that tribe now... Thats how religion works you know. You see something you don't understand, (try to) kill it, worship it.
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http://www.ctv.ca/gallery/html/tribe_080530/photo_0.html
...until one of the cameramen modified the ole 'got yer nose!' trick to the less popular 'got yer soul!' trick using his camera.
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Actually, I'd guess more like Civ 3. That was the one with the antitank spearmen. And mighty cavemen in sabertooth-skin loincloths, cleaving your tank in twain with their mighty stone axe.
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"Members of one of the worlds last uncontacted tribes have been spotted and photographed from the air near the Brazil-Peru border." ... "said uncontacted tribes expert Jose Carlos dos Reis Meirelles Junior."
Grats Jose, you just worked yourself out of a job. Some expert you are!
Better versions are at CNN. Pic 1 and Pic 2
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
A small Peruvian tribe has taught you: Ceremonial Burial.
Or maybe
A small Chilean tribe has given you: Skilled Warrior.
Wow!
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Oops, here is Pic 2
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
No, sorry -- just got here.
What'd I miss while I was gone?
Enough! Americans are not all greasy inbred savages!!!!
Wait... What?
I see some shiny belts and shoes, but really - I'd call it fake more on the basis of every single tribe member being head to toe in red, orange, or black paint. (You can tell the black is paint if you look at the hands - way different color)
I just don't see a bunch of natives hanging around in the forest all painted up with no where to go.
So they are going to be "protected" from contamination.
Yes I know that many tribes have suffered when the ran into civilized peoples but I wonder how they would feel about it if they knew.
Yes your child could have been saved with just a few pills but we didn't want to contaminate you.
Yes you could see what some of the lights in the sky really do look like.
You could meet people from far across the sea and you two could fly through the air.
But we don't want to contaminate you.
I wonder if they where given a choice what they would decide? Maybe it is wrong to not give them the choice.
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Reminded me of a Penny-Arcade strip for Empire Earth 2
http://www.empireearth2.com/images/pennyarcade.jpg
was hilarious.
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When Jim Elliot flew a small, single engine yellow airplane over an "uncontacted" tribe, they began to call it a big bee. I quoted uncontacted because they had contacted other tribes, to kill them.
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In reading this story, all I could think about is that their status as "uncontacted" is kind of a catch-22.
In today's world, even in Peru/Brazil, you have to try REALLY HARD to stay "uncontacted", actively avoiding any contact. Hard enough that, as a tribe, you probably wouldn't expend the resources to do it unless you felt like you had a really good reason to.
Which begs the question: what is their reason? Are they just really paranoid? Or is it something akin to The Village (SPOILERS AHEAD)---
---and the tribe "elders" really know exactly what's going on out there and really want everyone to stay away from it all?
It would of been fascinating to see them try and skin, roast and eat the helicopter after they brought it down. That would be the mother of all cooking fires.
Hey, isn't flying over with a helicopter, a blatant violation of the Prime Directive?
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Is that Jeff Probst there in the black? This must be the super secret filming of the next survivor!
Let's not forget that these people represent a kind of norm. This biological form that we take right now more or less developed during the long Stone Age -- i.e. most of our unwritten history is in that way of life. It means that the roots of our culture, and perhaps the way our brains are organised, draw sustenance from this long period.
We need these people to be just who they are, unchanged, for our own understanding of ourselves.
The problem is the ethics of contact: do we withhold the benefits of civilization? Is modernization a fair process? It's easy to dismiss a preservationist approach as romanticizing the savage, from your abstracted armchair reality. But, live with tribal peoples for a while, and you realize that short of modern medicine and food surpluses, not only is it not so bad, it has distinct advantages as a lifestyle, and is not so different from our own.
Whatever. I expect them to be overrun, poisoned, shot, and assimilated, then held up as an example of the superiority of civilization.
Damn those pesky terrorists
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Has the MPAA filed a lawsuit yet? Their red body paint totally infringes upon several trademarks connected to Indiana Jones, as is the whole "being an Indian".
... for OOXML to be accepted as an ISO standard. Their spearman ooops, spokesman said, "though MSOffice does not support our language yet, I am sure they will soon because they gave us a picture of King Ballmer, and 24 glass beads".
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You can only imagine a discovery like this is the sort of thing every Anthropologist dreams of. Finding some primitive culture, previously untouched by the outside world. Making contact with the people for the first time. Then showing them the power of the machine gun and overthrowing their chief, then ruling the tribe with an iron fist.
I have nothing compelling to say
they dropped a Coke bottle from the helicopter and it happened to land within the tribe area. ("The Gods Must Be Crazy")
These tribespeople are giving the rest of our species a valuable lesson in how to greet the aliens when they land.
None of this kumbaiyaa stuff that lets sinister aliens into our arms before we know they'll enslave us. Throw some spears at them to see how serious they are about making contact. If they aren't sophisticated enough to anticipate our violent reaction to their sudden appearance, they won't have anything worth learning that we can't get from just capturing some of their spacecraft. If they're really that superior, they'll take it in stride and calm us down.
And if they're really evil, we'll at least have a chance to fight them off, rather than falling for some kind of "To Serve Man" conjob.
That's exactly how this Amazon contact will play out. Why shouldn't we expect at least as much from our even more distant cousins when they arrive at our little backwater planet?
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To me it looks like a lot of them are looking up at the camera.
So... any bets on what'll be there when the next flyover happens? I'm thinking a large plane-shaped altar complete with human sacrifice to keep the great sky devil away...
'Don't worry' said the trees when they saw the axe coming, 'The handle is one of us.'
Nope, that's a picture of my backyard during the "Conquistador Fetish Ball".
Just drop a Coke bottle with a GPS receiver or a mini cam. Let's see how they react to it.
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Actually, it does work like that sometimes.
E.g., "cargo cults." In the whole island-hopping in the Pacific, ground troops in the jungle were sometimes resupplied by airplanes paradropping crates of food and equipment. Well, some airplanes dropped their cargo wrong (remember, it was before GPS), some ran into the enemy and had to eject their cargo to escape, etc. At any rate, some of that cargo fell near some local tribes.
And the funny thing is, some of those actually started worshipping the big birds who dropped all that good stuff. And prayed that they'd return and bring them more gifts. And when that failed to happen, they built wooden airplanes and sometimes (those who were close enough to an airstrip to notice that those winged gods landed there and unloaded stuff) built whole wooden mock-ups of airstrips including the barracks and buildings around them. Some went to such effort as to even build mock-ups of the other stuff they saw there, such as "radios" with "headphones" made out of coconuts. Some stood guard or conducted drills with sticks instead of weapons, because they assumed it was some ritual to make the big winged gods come land there.
It wasn't the first time. The first well documented cargo cult, and undisputedly a cargo cult, was from 1919 from Papua. Those guys believed in the coming of a great ghost steamer to bring them tinned goods, tools, and stuff like that. That was their "messiah", so to speak. Furthermore, that they can communicate with the ghostly ancestors by raising and lowering a flag, on the flagpole a mocked-up office. Essentially they had looked at the stuff the Europeans did in ports, and how they communicated with their ships, and built a whole cult and ceremony around it.
But we have documented instances of such stuff from the 19'th century too. E.g., the Tuka Movement in the Fiji islands. On the whole it was openly hostile to the Europeans, and preaching the extinction or enslavement of Europeans by the natives, and using such visual metaphors as fattening a white pig representing the Europeans to slaughter it when the ancients return. But funnily enough, it also incorporated a lot of stuff which was mocking what the Europeans did. E.g., military parades, blessing water for their religious ceremonies, etc.
So, well, I don't care whether you find that outlook disgusting or not, but we have plenty of documented cases where it worked literally like the GP post said. If historical perspective offends you, so be it.
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"Previously uncontacted planet photographed"
Reading the article made me think if in the grand scheme of things, are we are the equivalent of these people to sufficiently advanced alien civilizations? "Spears against helicopters" might as well me like one of our Raptors going up against alien recon craft. Like this tribe, we'll probably think they're hostile (our literature, films are filled with alien war themes) but for all we know, they aren't really. It would probably be hubris to think something that advanced would go out of their way to invade us. (Like sending modern marines with automatic weapons against spear-wielding people, in terms of scale.)
Arrghh. Too much Civ!!! (One more turn...)
Not much better. They go on a helicopter over uncharted Amazonian jungle, and the best camera they bring is their cel phone?
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You gotta admit, they have balls for trying to attack a helicopter, something presumably they have never seen before. Imaging seeing a helicoper, when the most advanced thing you have ever seen is a bow and arrow.
It would be fun to show them the real world. Either that or let them shoot some arrows, then fire back a couple hellfire missles, just to let them know who's boss.
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There's already over a brazilian people in India.
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I heartily agree. We should keep these tribes entirely ignorant of the outside world until such a time as gold prospectors and loggers come to kill them. Afterwards we should bemoan the fact that they were helpless and unprotected from disease and exploitation.
The amount of sheer arrogance in the article is amazing. Who are we to decide to permanently isolate these people and leave them so vulnerable? These are creatures at a zoo living their primitive lives for our amusement and study.. they are people who deserve the right to decide their own fate and be offered the tools to surivive once civilization inevitably arrives.
Is it just me, or do some of those "tribesmen" look like they're wearing colonial Spanish armour? Looks like pictures taken from a movie set or as a joke to me.
No, I think it's just you, it doesn't look like Spanish armor at all. Just because you're wearing a hat that's rather tall in the middle and slopes down on either side doesn't make you a Conquistador.
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Apple announces new iPhone agreement with remote Amazonian tribe.
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Can you hear me now?
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
The way these things generally work is the term "uncontacted" is used to generate readership rather than reflect reality.
The more accurate phrase is minmal contact. Please remember, they share a forest with other tribes. There's interaction of all kinds.
In this case, geography minimized contact with the industrialized world. Those "uncontacted" tribes probably have at least one person that's gone all the way to the big city wherever it is thought to be.
Also note they are being pushed out by deforestation efforts, so you bet they've been on the wrong side of weapons and dealt with the industrialized world.
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I don't see why such isolated people are considered as something to protect.
These people are literally still in the stone ages, and some "enlightened" folks want to keep them that way. I don't understand this mentality. If we discovered these kinds of people living in the United States, we'd be clamoring for them to get educated and make something of themselves.
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Why, exactly?
The Amazon basin is immense and large parts of it are almost as remote as you can get on the planet.
It's not like there isn't a long history of remote tribes who haven't really had much or any contact with "modern" people in that area.
Even a lot of the tribes which have had contact are still so isolated from the modern world that there have been only minor changes in their lives.
Short of a little outright disbelief in anything you hear, on what basis would you conclude there can't be any remote tribes that haven't been contacted before?
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As far as i know, there will be no contact between them and... the rest of the world. Our government (yes, I'm from Brazil) said that making contact would be a violation of their rights (?). So, the idea is to demarcate their land, and let them enjoy stone age.
PS. by "our government" I mean FUNAI, the government agency that takes care of the indians.
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I heard anthropologist try to establish that "normal" tribal war-death rate was a fairly constant number over much of the world, and in psuedo-tribal situations like inner city gangs.
I've heard that this rate has generally decreased in the modern era. Its different when have large organizations like nation-states and technical weapons. Although side effects like starvation and disease jack up deaths. The US has never had a sustained one percent death rate - imaging if three million every year were dying in formal war or terrorism. Maybe a few, inquent "big ones" could occur to bring society to its long-term average.
We need to drop tools, internet, entertainment, etc... to civilize them thats more consumers for the big corps.
Err, I mean for the betterment of mankind.
It's now unnecessary--
the camera already stole their souls, and they don't need the internet to do that . . .
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"As far as i know, there will be no contact between them and... the rest of the world."
I think it's cruel to show them a helicoptor though. Imagine seeing that! Do they think it's a giant wasp? Do they know it's man made? Was the phototographer visible in the helicoptor? If it were me in the primitive village and I saw a marvel of human engineering, I would have to see more. I'd leave the village in search of other marvels. Showing this to them is mean and will likely break up thier society.
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That would be cool. It would also be funny if you just hovered there and let their arrows bounce off until they got tired of shooting them. Then just start flashing a bunch of colored lights in geometric patterns. Once you have done that, leave the immediate area for a bit.
Then come back at night, abduct one of their tribesmen and put him in a bright room. Once he is in the room, we come in with dark sunglasses with big lenses and snazzy white coveralls to go with the shades. We should ignore him/her if they try to speak to us (we likely won't understand their language anyways). At this point we should shove probes up their asses and then take blood and other bodily fluid samples. If the abductee is female, she should be impregnated (artificial insemination is best, but if you are desperate just find a human with similar skin color and don't have him where the coveralls and glasses combo).
In the event that you do get a female and impregnate her, come back in 3 or 4 months (time isn't important, just be sure to get there before the end of the second trimester so that the baby has very little chance of surviving outside of the womb). When you come back, put the coveralls and glasses back on and abduct the woman again. Once you have her, remove the fetus and have your dark skinned pal make some hand gestures to indicate that the baby would live "up there" (point up to the sky etc). Then place a tiny piece of a meteorite under her skin (I recommend administering a good narcotic dose here, not enough to put her to sleep but enough to make her groggy and unaware). You can either keep the fetus or throw it away at this point, you won't need it again for our purposes (though I recommend keeping it as you can sell it to stem cell researchers or you can dissect it yourself if you like embryology and you just never no when an aborted fetus might come in handy - it's best to store them in a deep freeze or similar device).
Finally, every few years, come back and abduct her again. Each time you do it come back with the same weird looking kid (note that he must be both wierd looking in some fashion and of similar skin color and body type to the abductee). Have her play with the kid and give her food and drink that would appear strange to her (you could just bring something from burger king just make sure to present it in an odd fashion). If she seems upset to leave the kid behind, have the kid indicate that he can't survive outside in the air (he could just take deep breaths and then pretend to gag while pointing outside).
This is a wonderful hobby, but be warned that it's easy to get carried away with it.
These people see a big flying thing in the sky, and what's the first thing they do? They shoot at it. So, they can't hurt the helicopter, but they don't know that and their aggressive intent is clear.
The point is that the notion that we somehow lost our innocence from those earlier, simpler times is wrong. The societies that we used to inhabit were savage and aggressive, and for all our faults, we at least try to do better these days.
Well if you read the article here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1022822/Incredible-pictures-Earths-uncontacted-tribes-firing-bows-arrows.html you would know that they painted themselves after the helicopter made its first pass and is likely a sign of aggression. As an Anthropologist I can tell you that elaborate body painting is not uncommon in this region. This is real, but the information is rather poor quality and biased (and the latter article is very ethnocentric - you will NEVER find a culture that hasn't changed in 10,000 year's contact or not!)
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"these tribes have no immunity to a number of otherwise mild diseases, so contact often leads to deaths (smallpox, flu, etc)."
1. Smallpox isn't mild.
2. Smallpox kills a big percentage of whoever gets it.
3. Smallpox only exists in two labs. Our evil technology has made it extinct in the wild... Thank goodness.
I think you probably mean chickenpox.
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Damn, is my dad going to sad when I break this bit of news to him.
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Can you imagine how annoyed the Christian God would be if you shot arrows at him? I mean, he even gets pissed if you don't kill your son when he orders you to.
I don't imagine any of the helicopter crew were particularly annoyed at being shot at.
Isn't it kind of odd that we're more forgiving than our deities?
if the real world is what we make it, then concrete is indeed our real world.
Yes your child could have been saved with just a few pills but we didn't want to contaminate you.
Yes, as opposed to million of African children who die of malaria every year despite the fact that the aforementioned few pills could have easily saved them?
Yes you could see what some of the lights in the sky really do look like.
Yes, as opposed to the 95% percent of world population that will never see anything except the dirt they are digging or the nike shoes going past them in the assembly line? Forget about luxuries like university education, even things like books and the fucking internet is out of reach for most of the world's people.
You could meet people from far across the sea and you two could fly through the air.
Yes, as opposed to the millions of refugees who can't leave their war-striken country because nobody will give them a visa? Forget the plane or ship, they can't even leave on foot!
But we don't want to contaminate you.
I see your point, but by suggesting that we have some enlightened duty to help those "stone age" people, you are in fact using the same preferential treatment you are accusing others to have against them. There are hundreds of millions of poor, illiterate, disease-striken people in the world, who would GLADLY accept our help. Hell, there are many poor, illiterate, disease-striken people in our own fucking country. Help THEM out before you boldly take your morals to where no man has gone before.
I think his skepticism of the photo stemmed more from people choosing to go about their day-to-day activities covered head-to-toe in body paint. The effort expended in maintaing this lifestyle seemed unlikely to the poster, making it look like an attempt to create an "exotic" picture by introducing a strange foreign habit.
The GP does not appear to have a problem believe that people could live in the amazon without contact. He just finds it hard to believe that people will waste that much time painting themselves for no practical benefit. However, he probably hadn't compared this to the effort that is often spent on religion in modern society.
Don't worry. Local talk show host Artio Bellio is now tackling the topic of these mysterious UFOs and the little white men inside. Topics include first contact and whether they'll have any chance to fight back with their spears if they survive.
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It's actually a bunch of San Francisco developers that moved their facilities during the dot.bust.
You can clearly see that one is wearing Nikes and the other is wearing Birkenstocks.
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Looks like two oompa loompas and a sasquatch
The thing about living the life they live is instead of spending all day commuting to work, sitting at a computer, washing dishes, filling out tax forms, and sitting in front of the boobtube, they spend a few hours gathering food and the rest of the time they can do whatever they want. Hell for all we know painting their bodies is their equivalent of American Idol.
I guess for them the aliens are already here ... they have yet to land.
During World War II, aviators experienced the effects of cargo cult beliefs
The most widely known period of cargo cult activity, however, was in the years during and after World War II. First the Japanese arrived with a great deal of unknown equipment and later Allied forces also used the islands in the same way. The vast amounts of war matériel that were airdropped onto these islands during the Pacific campaign against the Empire of Japan necessarily meant drastic changes to the lifestyle of the islanders, many of whom had never seen Westerners or Japanese before. Manufactured clothing, medicine, canned food, tents, weapons, and other useful goods arrived in vast quantities to equip soldiers. Some of it was shared with the islanders who were their guides and hosts. With the end of the war the airbases were abandoned, and "cargo" was no longer being dropped.
In attempts to get cargo to fall by parachute or land in planes or ships again, islanders imitated the same practices they had seen the soldiers, sailors, and airmen use. They carved headphones from wood and wore them while sitting in fabricated control towers. They waved the landing signals while standing on the runways. They lit signal fires and torches to light up runways and lighthouses. The cult members thought that the foreigners had some special connection to the deities and ancestors of the natives, who were the only beings powerful enough to produce such riches.
In a form of sympathetic magic, many built life-size replicas of airplanes out of straw and created new military-style landing strips, hoping to attract more airplanes. Ultimately, although these practices did not bring about the return of the airplanes that brought such marvelous cargo during the war, they did have the effect of eradicating most of the religious practices that had existed prior to the war.
Over the last seventy-five years most cargo cults have disappeared. Yet, the John Frum cult is still active on the island of Tanna, Vanuatu.
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I guess these "Indians" LITERALLY are redskins
Looks photoshopped.
I see your informative link, and raise you a pithy comment.
Such a disappointment that the photo releases are so tiny.
In addition, the sight of a helicopter probably sent all the unpainted people going about their daily business into hiding. The red painted men probably were some sort of special guards for the village. They were relatively well armed.
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So.. what.. is it solar powered or something?
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Perhaps you're an idiot. It is, in fact, extraordinarily likely if you think primitive tribesmen see an enormous, extraordinarily loud bird in the sky and think "ah-hah! more humans! We'd better conserve our cultural sanctity!"
*nods* that was my take on the post too.
That being said, many tribes in the amazon have immense amounts of freetime.. I could easily see some groups being bored enough to maintain body paint at all times.
I thought he was referring to his peers on /.
Why don't you say that to... well, every native peoples who have ever met the egotistically technological westerner.
...[U]ncontacted groups in the region, whose homes have been photographed from the air, are in severe danger from illegal logging in Peru. Logging is driving uncontacted tribes over the border and could lead to conflict with the estimated five hundred uncontacted Indians already living on the Brazilian side.
Yeah sure, maybe they could use your malaria pills, but they could probably live without your AIDS, MRSA, H5N1. They could probably live without your poison-spewing gasoline engines, your brain-toasting electricity, your cancer-causing RF, and -- more to the relevant point -- your forest-leveling logging industry.
These tribes make a point to say "no" to the industrialized world and turn inwards in order to stay away from it. They specifically want to live in their traditional way. That is why they don't make an effort to make contact with the outsiders. They (vainly) hope that if they keep to themselves, the industrialists will too. (Which happens... not so much.)
You should RTFA:
'What is happening in this region [of Peru] is a monumental crime against the natural world, the tribes, the fauna and is further testimony to the complete irrationality with which we, the 'civilised' ones, treat the world,' said Meirelles.
The (insert name of non-renewable resource here) companies are not going to offer uncontacted tribes' (such as these) members paying jobs in the (name of processed product)-making industry or give them access to cars and doctors and science books. They are going to cut down the forests they depend on to live, and raze their savage primitive huts.
(I proudly give to SI.)
Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
Depends on how visible the people in the helicopter are.
If they see people inside the thing, they are probably going to think 'people'.
Good thing this isn't in the USA. Our government would go in and take away the kids because the chief married more than one woman and married one of them when she was 15. ;)
Bows? Aggression? I'm confused. I thought that without the corrupting distortions of 'Western Civilization' the natural state of humans was peaceful vegetarianism.
I presume they don't have to chase down and shoot their plants, so what use are the projectile weapons? Either they engage in combat with someone or they hunt, or both.
Messing up my whole world view...
Clearly they have been contacted and therefore corrupted by some damn capitalist pig. If we do contact them we should try to repair that damage; get them back to nuts and fruit.
I am still chuckling at this post five minutes after reading it. Funny as hell :)
No. It has essentially been eradicated in the wild. THIRTY years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#Eradication
"The last cases of smallpox in the world occurred in an outbreak of two cases (one of which was fatal) in Birmingham, England in 1978. A medical photographer, Janet Parker, died from the disease on 11 September 1978"
Now if you have a link that demonstrates a more recent case (which is possible as I'm no expert) then I'd love to see it.
I am still chuckling at this post five minutes after reading it. Funny as hell :)"
Heheh...yeah, the sasquatch looks a bit female...
Man..I thought they had bad hair problems on chicks back in that old 70's porn...
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
There are many places in the "civilized" world that are like that.
Also it is a very well documented fact that these tribes accumulate a vast knowledge about medicinal plants that covers most of their needs.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
If it's real, I'd be most interested in how they reacted to the helicopter as a tribe - not painting themselves and shooting arrows, but how they viewed the helicopter - was it a ship or beast of the gods, or simply humans with advanced technology. I'd be curious to know if they crossed Clarke's line of 'sufficiently advanced technology'.
Also I imagine the helicopter will have a somewhat serious impact on the tribe and their stories, at least if they were to remain uncontacted for a few more decades. Imagine if a large portion of our population saw something that they in no way could explain logically.
I am not an expert. If I am misled in something, please correct me.
"your brain-toasting electricity, your cancer-causing RF, and -- more to the relevant point -- your forest-leveling logging industry."
If you think electricity roasts your brain and rf causes cancer why are you posting on Slashdot? Unless you have a difference engine using TCP/IP over carrier pigeon you have exposed yourself to those "dangers".
You think nature is safe and pretty. Then as Erwin said, "Sharks are natural, go hug one".
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Err... I realize you're an AC but, well, you *do know* that they're probably not "black" as in Negro or whatever the politically correct term is these days? They are likely as "black" as the Native American people, the Asian people, the Mexican people, etc... Not that that matters a great deal but, well, I figured you might like to know this if you didn't already.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The only difference between our concrete buildings and their mud shacks is that we made a science out of mixing water and dirt and they're keeping it old school.
Disclaimer: Yes, I know concrete is actually made from water and cement, and not just random soil.
Yea, cause when modern people see UFOs, they tend to think 'people' too...
Disclaimer: I am not god.
We may not be created equal
But we can be treated equal.
So why is it that we assume that THEY are the previously uncontacted ones? Aren't WE equally previously uncontacted, by them? They never called, they never wrote, they never flew over me with a helicopter.
As others have previously said, your link lists something that happened decades ago. Even taking your statement at face value, 1980 belies the statement that "it keep on showing up here and thier" unless by "here and there" you meant "three decades ago."
It's gone man. It doesn't show up "here or there".
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Further note to self: Remain sober, or spike own punch!
And did they cause any heart attacks in the elders? That could cause some real wrath of god/ evil other flying tribe type stories.
It would be fun to show them the real world. Either that or let them shoot some arrows, then fire back a couple hellfire missles, just to let them know who's boss.
Real World? WTF? These people can survive in the Amazon with almost no technology, but you are some kind of tough guy? Nice. Can you even survive a few hours without a slurpee?
Good to see that Slashdot is still full of armchair ninjas.
It would be even more fun to drop your ass in the area and see how long you last.
Get up!
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"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Learn your SI prefixes, dammit!
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Evict?
First thing they do when they see something they don't understand? Attack.
Even though their survival depends solely on our good will.
Somehow I find this to be symptomatic of whole humanity. And I don't doubt even for a second that we, supposedly "civilised" people, would do the same in similar situation...
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Meh... I've seen the Amazon Survivorman episode
To be fair, the whole human species is pretty inbred. Genetic data points to a common origin in the relatively recent past with not very many individuals involved. My figures might be off, but I believe it's something like the almost all the genes of our species can be traced to maybe 500 individuals 2000 years ago.
In any case, relative to a lot of other species, humans are way less diverse. By the time you get to breeding with second cousins, it's as though you're breeding with any random person, so as long as this group can maintain at least that much distance in their sexual relationships, they should be fine. And considering they've lived this long it's likely they will. Most cultures have taboos against incest and it's imprinted on the human brain not to breed with those you live with.
Oh, and by the way, the OP should be modded troll.
Well, down here our goverment do respect their culture. We let them, for instance, kill their babies when twins are born. You know, in some cultures they beleive that when twins are born, one is good and the other is evil. So they kill both the babies, just to be sure. Ah.. good'ol cultural diversity.
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My words exactly.
Despite what EULAs say, most software is sold, not licensed.
I thought they looked more like skinny Ewoks.
Dirt + water + sunshine = Adobe.
Just ask anyone in the southwest.
WTF? Over?
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Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
I believe part of the reason for keeping them isolated is that many tribes in similar situations have been effectively wiped out by diseases they lacked exposure and therefore immunity to, such as chicken pox and even common cold.
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Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
If they're uncontacted, then how do we know they're uncontacted? I mean, unless you ask them whether they've interacted with a modern person before, how can you be absolutely sure they haven't?
Besides, one of the guys in the picture looks like he's wearing chucks.
Proverbs 21:19
heh, I think that's my second Troll mod in 10 years. :) I must be getting ornery in my dotage.
You mean Cortés, right?
When I grow up, I want to have Christopher Walken hair.
So, a tribe of aboriginals out in the Amazon.
Inquiring minds want to know, what kind of booze do they have?
Ooh, primitive Imperial Guards!
Did I say overlords? I meant protectors.
Yep, those figures are off: 2,000 years ago, there were over 1 million people in downtown Rome alone. Maybe you mean 20,000 years?
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
If someone saw a UFO in the middle of the day with people visablly sitting in it then yeah, they would probably think 'people'.
Cue the bleeding hearts that can't wait to set up an Internet connected kiosk in the village.
Really, though, whoever tagged this story "primedirective" I'd like to shake their hand. Even in their skewed Trekkie view, they're right... Imagine if we were an "uncontacted tribe" that some more advanced civilization sent the equivalent of a helicopter to photograph us... there would be all sorts of incredulous stories floating around and I'm sure our government would be trying to assuade our fears and tell us there is nothing to be concerned about... ooh... wait a minute...
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Their food isn't just lying around. They have to spend the majority of the day hunting/searching for it. Then they need to prepare it, which may involve skinning it (no easy task). Then it's cooked and eaten. They probably sleep on the ground, and have no amenities like AC, showers, reliable clean water, deodorant, or medicine.
No matter how unsatisfying modern day-to-day life can be, it doesn't make that sort of lifestyle doesn't look very appealing to me.
Oh, it's perfectly rational all right, except don't think they actually understood what the aircraft was or what the pilots were. Almost invariably this was not some enterprising souls anchored in a skeptical view of the world, but actual _cults_. They _prayed_ to those aircraft. Even when they realized there's someone piloting it (e.g., as in the ghost steamer cult of Papua), they imagined ancestor spirits, or gods, or bird spirits, coming in them to deliver those goods.
(And if you want something even funnier, at least one Sioux tribe eventually came to believe that at the end of days, when the ancestors' spirits come back, they'll come by train.)
Now I'm still saying that it's perfectly rational, for someone whose whole life and explanation of the universe is firmly rooted in spirituality and belief in supernatural spirits. The Europeans would have probably done the same if an airplane showed up, as late as the middle ages.
But at the end of the day, yes, it is rational behaviour and _human_ behaviour. If you saw a guy making a lightsaber out of 5 leds, a lens, and 4 D bateries, you'd try to do the same even if just for curiosity sake. If you don't understand how, you experiment a bit. These guys essentially did the same. They tried to replicate something which obviously worked for the Americans and Japanese. So I'm not trying to paint them as dumb or anything. I'm sure they were perfectly intelligent humans, same as everyone else.
But at the same time I _am_ saying that their explanations _were_ indeed religious. They used the framework they already had for understanding the world, and that was one of religion, magic, supernatural forces, and mighty spirits. They fit those airplanes and airfields in that framework. Because they had no other framework available.
So I wouldn't be too surprised if these guys in the Amazon did the same. Again, I'm not painting them as dumb, nor looking down upon them. But I do expect them to do what so many other tribes did: see it as some supernatural event.
That's really all.
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Think about going in the other direction. They may have four just as compelling (to them) reasons that you should leave your life that you understand, and be fully integrated into *their* society. Of course, that would be extremely painful and confusing for you since you don't understand their culture or how to survive within their system.
In the same way, they are living a life that they understand and very likely find fulfilling/comfortable. There's no reason to assume they would like to change it to be more like ours.
Further, right now they have everything they need (their numbers are growing) and they certainly see themselves as 'doing well materially.' However, once they begin to participate in our society, they have nothing; people whose only possessions are primitive tools and huts have nothing by our standards.
Finally, our civilization (ie everyone other than these uncontacted tribes) is so integrated and all-encompassing, that explaining it to them effectively makes them a part of it. One minute they are a tribe that is successful by their own standards, the next they are poor brazillians with nothing but some primitive technology and no real-world skills.
Within a week the tribe fired more arrows at a Google Street View van caught driving through their village.
We all get along together like tornadoes and trailer parks.
No, sorry, I should have said this... that is what the genetic data suggests in terms of the diversity of the human genome... obviously we know for a fact that people have been around much longer than that. (And that other similar species also used to exist.) It's one of the pieces of evidence though that suggests humans did not converge from several different species but rather were one species that managed to survive unlike other homo species.
skinning an animal for food takes like... 10 minutes. and thats if its bigger than a deer.
I've decided to Diversify my Holdings. I've divided my cash between my left and right pockets, instead of all in one.
when you don't know there is an alternative, then its not so bad. trust me, as long as you don't know you are suffering, then its not suffering.
I've decided to Diversify my Holdings. I've divided my cash between my left and right pockets, instead of all in one.
You can't protect your soul from bring stolen by the paparazzi, even in the deepest, darkest regions of the Amazon!
In the meanwhile, do you suppose Jeff Bezos has something to do with this logging stuff? (All those books have to be getting paper from somewhere...) Kinda gives new meaning to the Amazon.com name.
8==8 Bones 8==8
They're just 12th-level geocachers.
Was this photo for Google Jungle Views?
You should write a screenplay, the marketing will make sure the movie sells itself - hell I'd watch, even though I'm a Trekkie.
Would be Schrödinger's tribe... In order to find out if they are uncontacted, you have to contact them.
There's a few books on the first contact in the New Guinea highlands (1930's) where explorers in an aircraft found a large number of people with no contact with the outside world. To sum up - being a different colour to anybody they have seen before and having aircraft was not "sufficiently advanced technology" and after a while the crowd got bored and went back to what they were doing. I think the response was something like "how do you make all that cool stuff?".
Geez, people. Click on the link to the article. Now click on the pics on the article's page. Big enough for you?
But what happens when they start firing back APFSDS Cores?
Any chance you could find this settlement on Google Earth?
Speaking of which, I've been playing around with making bows recently.
Those bows look pretty well designed and made. And these guys look well fed, so they're probably a good shot. They could probably put an arrow between your eyes at fifty yards. Depending on the power of their bows, they could hit a target like the helicopter at twice that range. If they did, the arrows would very likely penetrate the skin of the helicopter and still have enough momentum to seriously injure anybody inside.
There are stories of European explorers encountering Cherokee archers; the flint arrowheads (which weren't razor sharp, by the way; they were sharper) could penetrate a steel breastplate, shattering and killing the victim with stone shrapnel. I read of one rider who was wearing cuirassier's armor who was pinned to his horse when an arrow penetrated his thigh armor.
Given that these people are woodland people who hunt and fight on foot, they probably have similar bows. They look rather broad limbed and tapered, a design that results in a reliable, powerful and fast casting bow of reasonable draw weight.
Bows and arrows may not be very "advanced", but underestimating how deadly a well designed bow in the hand of a skilled archer can be might well be the last thing you ever did. The helicopter might have scared these guys shitless, but when they grabbed their bows I'll bet they were quite confident that they could kill anything that came within bowshot stone dead. And they'd probably be right.
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I agree that's much more likely to find oompa loompas in the amazon than indians that hasn't already been in contact with some kind of civilization...
I haved work with some amazonian indians before and let me tell you some of them drive cars much better than ours... it's all about how much you pay for the exclusive use of his so called "indian-sacred land"
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of their women.
This hoax was already pulled off several years ago. Same type of picture of supposed natives shooting arrows at a helicopter made the rounds. Looks like its coming back around again.
you do reallize that tribesmen in those jungles where known to sport body paint made from fruit?
seems to have misplaced his
"You are now condemned to death by Snu Snu."
That's pretty funny too. You should have posted with an account so that everyone could see it.
I agree, but the GP's skeptcisim is misplaced. The women of the never use water to wash themselves. Rather they go about their day-to-day activities covered head-to-toe in body paint made from clay and animal fat. They also smoke in a very unusually manner. :o.
However you don't need to look at exotic tribes, many women from western societies will not leave their hut without first applying their face paint (also made from clay and fat). When you look around, "decorating" ones own body is not only a basic human trait, it' also a very common cultural obsession.
As for time and religion, a remote amazonian tribesman surrounded by food and water probably has much more spare time than your average slashdotter.
Disclaimer: I will go and have a look at the photo now....
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Then how'd we get here?
maybe they just haven't been contacted before by people who think that digital watches are a neat idea...
I have yet to see a photo that was large enough to tell much detail. The buildings in the picture look like they have been abandoned for a season or two to me. As usual, I am skeptical.
You accuse people who wish to have these tribes remain isolated of arrogance. But aren't you being arrogant yourself in assuming that the Western way of life is superior. Listen, if it weren't for a few meddling "explorers" in the so-called Age of Discovery, the developing world wouldn't be as fucked up as it is now. Name me a former European colony and I can easily tell you that it's a developing nation.
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It takes much longer if you care at all about what the meat will taste like afterward--and that's with a sharp skinning knife.
Australia? USA? Canada? Hong Kong?
OK, apart from the second one, I wouldn't say any of these meet the classic definition of a developing nation.
Your optimism strikes me like junkmail addressed to the dead.
I'd be a lot more concerned about the various exotic poisons the Amazon contains and the habit for some native tribes to tip their arrows with said poisons. You don't need to get an arrow between their eyes if they won't make it ten feet after getting nicked in the arm.
Not if you want both an intact pelt and good meat. Takes even longer if you're doing it with primitive tools instead of sharp knives.
Which ethnic group rules those examples you've given? Of course, those descended from European stock. If it were the natives I bet they would be torn apart by civil war, endemic diseases, massive food shortages, and/or massively corrupt governments.
And, by the way, the original ethnic groups in those places (ie those who were there before the evil white man came), except Hong Kong, have received the short ends of whatever sticks were handed to them.
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Just disable "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought" for them.
This is an excellent opportunity: What would happen if, instead of people (researchers), we send in Asimo... How would they react?
While I wouldn't want to trade my relatively comfortable life in modern society for those guys lifestyle either, the GP has a point - food is abundant in the jungle, and the native Southern American tribes always had lots spare time.
That fact did play its part in the early European settler's very negative image of those "lazy savages" - laziness was a predominant characteristic in many European paintings of the New World and its inhabitants.
Truth arises more readily from error than from confusion. -Francis Bacon
But other times it has spawned new religions.
The cargo cult that remains today (John Frum) started long after contact when people wanted what the immigrants had but did not want the immigrants. I was talking about a different situation as was the article.
I think there would be more of a likelyhood to see the guys in the helicopter as people getting stuff from the Gods instead of Gods themselves - there's always somebody with a keen eye to spot human defects.
Hey, why is everybody so sure that we, internet using ethnic group, are going to influence them, rather than they influence us? Just look at all the time we spend discussing this. Red paint might be next season's big fashion.
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Hey pal, this isn't a pleasantforest, so don't waste my time with pleasantries!
No, no, its because they played too much Grand Theft Auto.
"You accuse people who wish to have these tribes remain isolated of arrogance. But aren't you being arrogant yourself in assuming that the Western way of life is superior."
Yep I think that knowledge is better than ignorance. I think keeping people in a persevere like you would keep a rare fern or bird is arrogance. And I think giving people a choice is a good thing.
Other groups have chosen to not adopt all the trappings of modern society. The Amish come to mind.
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