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The Geek Compound Prepares for Y2k
First off I needed self defense. Since it was snowing, I decided that a large snow shovel would nicely fill the 2 roles: Convenient weapon to be used against intruders aiming to steal my waffles, and after the dust settles, I can also use it to prevent the pizza man from slipping on the ice on my porch and suing me (Or worse, dropping my pizza into the snow!)
Now that I can defend myself, its time to feed myself. I made a fatal assumption: Almost all of my food purchases were microwavable. I purchased a gigantic "Feeds 8" box of lasagna. Since I don't each much, I figure it can last me a month or more. Especially because I'll probably have to it it frozen. Nothing fills you up like an ounce or two of frozen lasagna. My other major food purchase was a box of 60 microwavable waffles, a jello dessert treat, and ingrediants to make tacos on 2 seperate occasions.
Since I'm not relying on my microwave to work, I purchased a bottle of Irish Whiskey and a bottle of Vodka. The Pope opted the yuppie route and selected a bottle of Bombay Saphire gin, vermouth, and olives. The world may be ending, but he'll be having a 9 martini end of days.
For entertainment, I selected 'Hercules', the classic disney film of only a few years ago featuring Susan Egan on vocals, and the amazing Andreas Deja animating a hero instead of the mega villian for once. Again, I realize this is short sighted since my DVD player will require electricity, so as a backup plan, I purchased the most recent issue of the National Enquirer so that after the fall of civilization I could thrill to the stunning tales of George W Bush's Jr's torrid affair, as well as Shania Twain returning to her hubby following... a torrid affair.
Hemos' Shopping Cart I suspect that Meijer's, a friendly local mega-grocery-hardware-pharmacist-greenhouse-furniture-photo-store was not quite anticipating the sheer flood of people coming in for the "The Apocalypse". However, through sheer perseverance, I was able to secure the most hallowed of all shopping treasures:6 Gallons Distilled Water. And Whiskey.
That's right - not only will I be able to keep myself drinking clean water, and brushing my teeth regularly (With my new tube of toothpaste, Item #4125056208) as well as flossing (Item #381370099183) but I'll have also have the gift of alcohol. With my natural and well known affinity to Bushmills, I'm already planning how I'll turn the Geek Compound into the Midwest's most powerful distillery. I've drawn up plans on how to convert my former burned out home into a giant high class distillery. From there, we'll extend our control of surrounding area, and parley it into control of the Greater Great Lakes area.
Yes, the power of whiskey.
While those plans are working out though, unlike Rob, I've actually purchased canned goods that I can eat. Yes, stretching from tuna fish to chicken in a can, I'll be sitting and riding on the high hog post World Wide collapse. Assuming my can opener is Y2k compliant.
I also purchased quite a number of vitamins. To understand this point, you should understand that I take about five pills per day - ginseng, selenium, a multivitamin, and a B complex. Wanting to maintain my health and girlish figure for the next thousand years, I've procured the above vitamins - in bulk. Yes, if it weren't for that damn half-life problem I'd be popping vitamins and experiencing natural organic growth for the next thousand years.
sigh But the best purchase of all is the one I couldn't put on there. I've got myself a 50 gallon drum of nanites, which I'll be using to recreate the world as I see fit. I'm thinking Teletubbies.
CowboyNeal's Shopping Cart My list is short. I've been in survival situations before (I'm referring to family get-togethers here) so I know how to make the most of a situation and be resourceful.First up, plenty of beer. I figured I was gonna need it to celebrate the new year anyway, and if something should go awry, it'll help dull the pain in my final hours, not to mention that a broken beer bottle makes an excellent weapon for hand-to-hand combat. My choice in brew (for the inquisitive) was Bass Pale Ale.
A snow shovel. Since I moved, I've been without s snow shovel, which has been a bit of a pain since Michigan is an area that seems to attract quite a bit of snow. If the apocalypse should happen to miss me, I still think there will be snow to shovel in the next millenium. Also, it makes a wonderful weapon for self-defense, but with a much longer range than the beer bottles. (CT:The epic battles between CowboyNeal and CmdrTaco will do for shovel combat what The Highlander did for swords. Check your listings for pay per view showtimes).
Candles. And not just any candles, I got religous candles. Each one has a prayer unique to that candle. I"m not even Catholic, but I figure I may need light when the power goes out, and why not have God's help on my side? If I am gonna survive, why not do it piously? I'm already thanking God that they were priced to move.
Batteries. My usefulness for a generator could come and go, but I figure batteries will stay in style well into the next millenium. I got enough to power my flashlights and some for my discman as well. Regardless of what happens, I'm sure they'll see some use.
I didn't concern myself with food or water so much, because I figured I could just melt some of the endless supply of snow outside for water, my parent's house is just a short drive away where my father will no doubt be out killing for food first chance he gets.
The AK-47 won't do you much good, since you're one person. When you run into a group of well-drilled expert-marksman survivalists, you'll be toast. When you run into an SUV accessorized with half-inch steel plate, you'll be toast. And roadkill. When you try taking something from a house with murder holes over the front porch, you'll be chipped meat on toast. Literally.
I don't think the power is going to go out, I don't think there will be mass hysteria, we won't be returned to the Stone Age. But if all the computers break, we'll be plunged back into the bleakness of the 1970's.
Trouble is, there's no place to buy leisure suits anymore.
I run a used bookstore and have approximately 30,000 Y2k compatible information storage and retrieval devices in stock.
If the apocolypse comes, I expect books to be the next TV, and I'll be a millionaire.
Of course, I'm obliged to point out, as a purveyor of information, that neither the century, nor the millenium, are due to end until the END of 2000. 11 eggs do not make a dozen, and there was no year zero. Just because everybody on TV is an idiot, doesn't mean you have to be.
Visit Lockjaw's Lair. He won't bite.
true hurricane Floyd story:
Hey, I was ready this summer with a 3kw generator and two 120A/h marine deep discharge batteries powering a converted 650W computer UPS that'll keep lights, stereo and vid games (only essentials) going during power outage - when Floyd knocked us out for about 6 hours I had to fire up the generator to make microwave popcorn - oh the horror of it all!
Boojum
backing up stuff like there's no tomorrow
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
You can find a number of Apple II emulators for Linux at ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II. However, the IBM PC style 360K floppy drives physically cannot read Apple formatted 5.25" disks, as PC's use MFM encoding and Apple used GCR. Not to worry though, because most of the popular stuff has been put into disk file images that are also available for download. Unfortunately though, I didn't see Oregon Trail on that site, but maybe someone will upload it.
:-(
Damn, I should have previewed.
ROTFLMAO
I thought it might be something like that. I realized about 30 seconds after I posted that the other alternative was that your neighbors were vegatables, or close enough to it for government work.
Mmmm, seitan - ray's wheat meat kicks ass (yes I know it's not tofu - but it's all in the same section of the food mart).
When you use a computer I bet you get a lot of ID 10 T errrors, don't you. A smarter man (such as myself ) would have purchased BB guns instead of the plastic dart guns you bought. And everyone knows if your stocking up on liquor you need to get the huge jug of Sothern Comfort. And don't forget to set the date on your laptop back to 1998, at least this way when everything shits the bed you get to look at your saved porn.
Got Porn?
Well, barring any Physical problems (ie HD failure, but that can be easily fixed) or oxidation, my little 3 year old Mac's system calendar is good til the year 27,000 AD or something like that. It also goes back to 15,000 BC, in case of time warps.
:)
I plan on keeping the thing til it dies or I do, which ever comes first
I hope LinuxPPC is as forgiving!
Pope
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
Pentium II processors also make good drink coasters or toilet paper substitute, never both at the same time though.
C'mon, you already have something like $1.5 million, w/ a $90,000/year salary, do you really need to declare your Pizza Rolls as tax-deductable?
j/k
you'd think you'd have no problem buying a power generator and lots of backup gasoline :-)
Robots. Lots of robots.
multi-stagers make GREAT missiles.
believe me, I know from experience.
BTW, anyone know if it's a federal crime to shoot down a mail plane over the Adirondacks?
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Actually, a good bonfire around any bunker will suck up enough oxygen to kill the inhabitants. This is a lot more probable than a Molotov cocktail.
I believe you can find a shrinkit archive of Oregon Trail here
Check the file list, and search for oregontr.shk and you should be able to find it.
Some gun-toter once said "If one person has food and another has a gun, the one with the gun is gonna eat." He forgot that if both people have food, they'll both eat, but if they both have guns, than neither one will eat.
Right up to the point when there's a riot (whether or not anything really happens at Y2K), and all those grocers and retailers are looted, losing all the profits they made preY2K to clean up the mess.
Funny--I was just thinking, as I packed this morning for my weekend in darkest Vermont, that this will probably be the only time I ever bring a battery-powered emergency radio and a pair of cufflinks on the same trip.
spawn_of_yog_sothoth
Prehaps the /. effect will influence the maintainer to move it over to a +r dir...
The computers will be fine of course, but think about it from these people's perspective: you're sitting around, it's new years day, you have all this stockpiled ammunition.. you aren't going to bother to find out whether civilisation really collapsed or if the ATMs aren't working or if your pager doesn't work. That's too much trouble. You'll probably just assume civilisation has collapsed and start looting anyway, especialy if you've been drinking all that stockpiled vodka and whiskey.
Get enough people doing that, and civilisation will collapse with or without the computers. Happy new year!
Irritable, left-wing and possibly humorous bumper stickers and t-shirts
a copy of your bank statements etc, now that you are paper millionaires...
I thought it was him, but I wasn't sure.
So I made sure I didn't make it sound like it was original.
BTW another unoriginal quote I like...
"If you can't laugh at yourself, eventually other people will."
Showed up in a discussion on why a spoof of slashdot keeps on getting rejected when people submit it...
Cheers,
Ben
My usual seat in the cluetrain is at A HREF="http://pub4.ezboard.com/biwethey.ht
All I need for Y2K is an AK47 and plenty of ammo. Anything else I need....I'll just take.
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I'm just boycotting the whole damn thing... No bottled water, no ammo (the slingshot I own and lego man heads will have to do), and whatever I have in my house... which, as usual, consists mainly of hard cider, fine german liquor, and cup o' noodles. If need be I'll just build something out of my mindstorms and program it to go out foraging for me...
A|Q|U|A
hey, the cluser of "D" engines is really cool.
If it doesn't melt your engine mount.
don't even try compiling...
They could still ring things up manually tho, right?
My plans for Y2K include getting enough gas for my backup generator and keeping myself near my closet full of baseball bats of various sizes and compositions. (Wood/Aluminum)
Well, maybe I'll buy some Twinkies and a case of Jolt.
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Well, I gotta go food shopping tonight anyway, then get up REAL early tomorrow to do some last minute laundry. I ain't gonna face no Apocalypse with dirty underwear!
:)
Things I still need are: candles, booze+mixer, water, more fresh fruit, and a flashlight. I should probably have all of these around the bunker anyway.
I have enough toys to last for a lifetime: a brand new Scrabble game from X-Mas (play me for food!),
a giant box of Lego, rescued from my parents' basement (I figure I can make a new barter system using it),
a set of electronic drums and a bass guitar,
enough comics and magazines and novels to keep my whole block occupied, or burn as fuel,
I live in a basement with tile floors, so if the heat goes off, I'll not be every happy. However I got a brand new pair of Docs last week, so I can at least stomp whoever tries to take my stuff!
PS I'm not the Pope in the article, it's just a family resemblance.
Pope
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
"As you know, some people are stocking up on food and water to prepare for the upcoming collapse of civilization. I'm not. I'm stocking up on guns and ammunition so I can *take* the food and water from all those people who didn't figure out what collapse of civilization means!"
Cheers,
Ben
My usual seat in the cluetrain is at A HREF="http://pub4.ezboard.com/biwethey.ht
I've got a family of five to take care of, so I'm not taking chances. The store was out of water last night (one full isle was empty!), but this morning I snagged 50 gallons (red cross says 1-3 gallons/day/person, so that should last 10-20 days)
If nothing happens, consider donating your stockpile to your local charity. There are plenty of people that need the food, and that's what I'll be doing after a few days.
You quitting proves that the karma kap worked. The most annoying of the whores shut up. --CmdrTaco
I don't know about anyone else, but i have enough spam and ramen to keep me alive for... well, you can't live very long off spam and ramen...
Anything else you could recommend?
Finding God in a Dog
Only 10 condoms but 48 rolls of toilet paper? Either you're not getting as much as you think, or you need to see a gastrointestinal specialist. :)
'I ain't a liar, baby, and I ain't proud I just want what I'm not allowed.' -- Violent Femmes, 36-24-36
If I'm not Mistaken it was Scott Adams who said that one.
DocVego
"The Cure Your Looking For"
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We are about 5 blocks from Time Square...they are predicting terrorist attacks..basically 14 million morons will be watching Dick Clark..some bastard drops a grenade...THAT's nothing...wait until 12 million panicking people start going crazy! I'd take a grenade attack any day
If you're not a Liberal in your 20's, then you have no heart.If you're still a Liberal in your 30's you have no brain.
1. My pet lemur (named Mr. Groove)- to steal from other survivors
2. Oxygen
3. Kleenex Tissue - Makes great toilet paper and tissue
4. Rubber Bands
5. Typing paper
6. Frozen "White Castle" food
7. Generator
8. VCR
9. 10 Gallons Gas
10. $300 in batteries
11. My entire collection of the Andy Griffith Show
12. My Macintosh
13. Assortment of Jelly Beans
14. Products containing CFCs
15. My Guitar
G^is la revido mia amikos, Jimmy Smith
/* Signature goes here I am not a lawyer, but I play one in school */
The plane has a landing light (like a huge floodlight). I've landed at small country airfields (grass strips and the like) at night with no runway lights -- it really isn't too difficult. If the city goes dark we plan to head south-west, to a particular airfield we know quite well with a very large runway (LOT, Lewis University), 7000'. This assumes total power outage everywhere -- if power outages do occur but are limited in scope, finding an area of lights and landing at a nearby, well-lit field will be a non-issue.
Areas of firework activity are NOTAMed (NOtices To AirMen) and temporarilly prohibited. 1000' above the ground is plenty hight to avoid fireworks. Avoiding bullets is a non-issue. We will avoid clusters of such activity, such as Cabrini Green and parts of the South side, but even if we did not, 1000-1500' AGL is high enough rob all but long range rifle bullets of nearly all of their energy. That danger is not too significant, and we will be avoiding the areas of greatest gunfire activity. As for big geek rockets going off, it is possible, though it would be extremely illegal to do so without NOTAMing the airspace ahead of time (if they go higher than a couple hundred feet, and the FAA does go after people who do that sort of thing unannounced and thereby endanger air traffic, especially in the vicinity of large airports such as Midway and O'Hare). The likelihood of that is very, very small. Being anyplace on New Year's Eve (Y2K or not) is a calculated risk, butIMHO hanging out in the average big crowd is much more risky than our little jaunt over the city will be.
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
I hear you there, I'm the Y2K dood for the College of Humanities & Fine Arts at the University of Northern Iowa, and I've got all of our systems taken care of except for ONE GUY, a Prof with a Pentium 120 running Windows 3.11 and a slew of old software. I've been trying to get his computer updated for a month and a half, to no avail, he's never available. I guess he'll have some fun when he gets back, it'll be interesting to have a test case to observe, if nothing else. :)
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When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. --Robert A. Heinlein
Funny how these days it's so "in" to not worry about Y2K. But until 1/1/2000 nobody knows what will or won't happen. So IMHO all this macho talk about "nothing's gonna happen" is exactly that: macho talk. FYI, our governments *are* preparing to deal with possible disasters or terrorist threats. They need the public to stay calm and not panic. And we're doing exactly what we're supposed to do. Coincidence? ;-)
Well, I'm living in Oregon right now. I'm stocking a 12 gauge, a 20 gauge, and a 22 handgun with boxes of hollow-points. I'm also stocking my girl and a shiny vinyl shirt and beer. Add this to my Apple //e and //c; Indigo 2, Sparc 2, PPro, 386 and 486; I'm ready to fuck and protect!
Eat my butt
See RFC 2550 for all the glorious details. I'll leave it to you to decide whether it is a reasonable assumption that the computer systems of today will really outlast our solar system (let alone the end of the universe) and/or still have the same system of time (24 hours, dated from 1 CE, etc) many many years from now (the RFC extends *that* far). Either way, we'll never have a rollover again if we follow the RFC.
ufdraco
I'm going to be spending my Y2K inside of some sort of bunker at one of the big three auto manufacturers tech centers in the Detroit area. It seems that we'll have various state and fedral government organizations sitting around with us (watching us?) too... This makes the extent of my preparations a DAT of everything important that I've ever written, in my pocket. That, and various non-alcoholic bevarages, realistic enough to mess with management's head.
the geeks at the compound can use their PII processors as TP
I plan to tie my network cables to my disk drives and create a 25GB bolo.
Just junk food for thought...
Anyone wann'a take some bets on if the Feds on going to come a knocking on the Slashdot doors to censor the talk of Y2K guns and looting?
The only prob is . . . i'm new! If we have to eat more than 2 people, I'm in bad shape.
I took the wind fall from my Redhat and VA IPO's, bought armor plating from an old Battle ship, a Dell Power Edge Server and a couple of generators on ebay. I spent the weekend welding it on my trailer. When my wife asked what I was doing, I told her it was vitally important that at least 1 quake3 server survive the collapse of civilization.
Uhh.. no.
:( There's no procedure (or equipment) for them to do any checkouts 'manually'....
Most modern PoS (Point of sale, not to be confused with anything else I'd like to call them) systems these days are useless if they lose contact with 'the brain'... places like CompUSA, Best Buy, etc are out of luck if something goes wrong. I know the local Best Buys here in Baltimore just closed up and went home.
Baseball bats require you to be near your attacker. Guns don't.
Baseball bats require coordination and strength. Guns don't.
With a baseball bat, you get one chance to disable your attacker. With a Colt, you get six!
Gunpowder makes a much better firestarter than a Louisville Slugger
Guns do not require stealth. When you've got a baseball bat-equipped someone scoped at 200 yards, it really doesn't matter if he can hear the shot.
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look, wouldn't everyone rather be making love at the stroke of the doom clock instead of sitting in their roof with a loaded shotgun and a 1/3 full bottle of jagermiester?
lets get our priorities straight here.
tyler
Am I the only one that hasn't made any special preparations? I haven't bought food, water, ammo (no gun, see) or anything like that. Well, actually, I do have a little bit more orange juice in the house than usual. But that's mearly a conincidence.
My biggest worry on Y2K is that all you rampaging nutcases with guns will come out of the word work and run amok causing chaos in the streets. If you do, I'd just like to offer one piece of advice: go for the drunk partygoers first, they are easy prey. Don't come after me, I have a baseball bat and I'm not afraid to use it.
I'll miss the Simpsons though.
Oh well, c'est la guerre.
Goodbye technological era, we hardly knew ye. heh heh
DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL
Fill yer own damn bottles! It's that easy!
**>>BELCH
[ insert kickass Sweet Leaf riff ]
until you've fired thousands and thousands of rounds, and then come at your with my trusty flintlock, loaded with hand melted shot made from fishing weights, and hand made gunpowder (charcoal, potash and saltpeter iirc).
George
Ah, I see that you too have realized that alcohol will be a valuable trade good in the upcoming Empire of the Beast-Lord. Josh
Will someone please tell me why there's any reason to think that the water could turn off? I keep turning it over in my head, and I can't think of any critical systems in water distribution that should (read: I sure hope not), give a shit what year it is...
But when there's no power, how do you propose to get the drive open?
I refuse, on principle, to have a
RANT .44 Mag, but I have 50# of powder, about 10K JHP 240 grainers, several thousand Large Pistol Primers. 3 wheelguns and 4 long guns to burn them with. I can kill anything on earth with one of those placed properly. Defense and meat production in one.
.44 JHPs tear up tissue.
... 1 Looter would feed the cats for a long time.
Well, I only have 2K rounds built for the
When we hear the chatter of those AK's and other ammo wasters, we hunker down and let them get in easy range and the wife I and I blow these cool
1/2" holes through anyone attempting to appropriate our supplies. Gotta love how those
Not much use against armor or in a pitched battle, but as we learned in The Nam the one with the most firepower does not necessarily win the battle or the war. Guerilla tactics will see me through any assault on our secluded home. Hopefully it won't be necessary. Looters may or may not hear the shot. They sure as hell won't know where it came from. We have snow so we will be dressed in white.
Just think of it
Enough with the paranoia.
/RANT
;=>>
#941
I tired to allow for five digit years in some software I worked for last year, but sadly we had to cut it out - it probably would have been useful too as it was software for a big RBOC. You know they'll still be using the same sofwtare come Y10000.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
A closet full of sawed off shotguns, ammo, and twinkies will get you quite far in a disaster. Don't accept imitatins, twinkies are the only food guaranteed to be fresh long after you aren't.
Unless I get frozen. Like Walt Disney.
- A.P.
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"One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
My local electric company, Jacksonville Electric Authority, already sent out past due notices this month to some customers that apparently haven't paid their bill since December of 1899. The article didn't say anything about the 1.5%/per month late fee though as far as I know. And my electric bill hasn't arrived yet so I can't check mine out first hand.
;)
Forgive my lack of confidence in the "nothing's going to happen" attitude. Not that I'm freaked out either. Whether I live or die, I won't have to sit through any more Y2K meetings--provided I'm not sent directly to hell for eternity after the New Years Eve party
numb
So what is the deal with this whole Y2K thing I keep hearing about? It sounds like geek speak for something... I need to re-read the jargon-file again. Is there a howto or FAQ on it some where? I searched http://linuxdoc.org but didn't find anything useful.
"`Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.'" -THHGTTG
What's going to happen on Jan 1st? An accidental nuclear holocaust? Terrorists blowing up the space needle? Looters killing you for the jugs of water you're hoarding? Planes falling out of the sky? The dead rising from their graves to wreck the wrath of a vengeful god upon the earth?
Not bloody likely. When the new year's parties are over, and most people no worse off than a hangover, what Y2K related event will have killed the most people? Most probably drunk drivers. Funny you don't see anyone worrying about that, even though it's a much more real danger than anything an AK47 can fend off.
Well I went to Walmart to purchase a gun but found out that there's a 3 day waiting period in VA so I headed to the toy section and got several orange 9mm's. This way I can tell the bad guys I have a gun and not be lying. I then went to the local liquor store to get 2 gallons each of whiskey, vodka (for bloody mary's at work the next day), and tequila (since it's not warm here I'll pretend I'm in Mexico). In case the power goes out I charged up the laptop battery and loaded the hard drive with mp3's so at least I can listen to music while the world blows up. And just in case I downloaded much internet porn because everybody knows that the adult sites aren't y2k compliant.
I'm borrowing my father-in-laws' welder to turn my Ford Explorer into a Mad Max style buggy.
My shopping will consist of hockey/motocross equipment and as many crossbows as I can find (for the turret, see?)
The Spas-12 has a choke on the barrel. dont't try shooting rifles slugs from it, or you'll kill yourself .^
^.
Before midnight...
1 BFG 2k
200 Cells
1 Railgun
50 Slugs
1 Hungery Howies phone number (616)457-333
After midnight...
1 Elizabeth, for first kiss of the decade...
1 bed... (see above)
That'll do it I think...
Norris/Palin 2012
Fact: We deserve leaders who can kick your ass and field dress your carcass.
When everything goes to shit and I can't use my lisp system, or scheme, or even Emacs Lisp, and I can only play with lisp problems using pencil, paper, and thought-experiments, I'll need all that coffee more than ever. I admit, though, that I'll be screwed once I run out, because it sure won't grow in the Pacific Northwest!
The only NOTAM is for a laser light show near Aarora (169 radial of the DPA VOR, 8.6 nm from 0400 - 0800 zulu - 10:00pm to 2:00 am local time). Fireworks will not be a factor, as they go nowhere near high enough to be a factor (we can circle at 500 feet AGL and watch them if we like). Of course, bullets and amateur rockets are not NOTAMed. My biggest fear, though, is that the forecast will change for the worst and we'll have to cancel the flight because of low ceiling. So far it looks promising, though.
The ATC systems all rollover at 6:00 PM Chicago time (0000 01/01/2000 zulu time). If that jetliner starts falling my way ATC *should* be able give me a traffic advisory, assuming they are still operating. If they aren't, I'll have 6 hours warning -- unless of course the power drops, in which case I'll have instantaneous warning by looking out the window.
What's life without a little risk? *grin*
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
Bought the booze 'cuz I wasn't sure I could fix the carbuerator with what I bought. I'd rather be drunk on the side of the road waiting for help to arrive than sober.
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Being that I work In San Francisco,I have noticed a lot of plywood in the Bussiness district. I also noticed thge police left forms in our lobby wanting to know who is in charge of our building .San Francisco is not the place to be,with every cop on duty something bad is going to happen knowing these trigger pumping morons . I guess this means no alternative shopping,this year damn
Winnipeg is awfully cold in the Winter so we will have to riot and burn things to keep warm.
:)
I figure that if I hide out for a couple of days, most of the people in the downtown area will have either froze to death or will have killed eachother off. That's when the real looting and pillaging starts !!!
If you notice some guy running down Portage Ave. with a sword in his hands (swords don't run out of bullets), just remember to yell out "/. rules" and I might spare you because I know you won't eat my meat supply.
I intend to continue using my computers as computers even if society colapses...
I have as much power as I want, and both my computers couldn't care less what year it is.
-- The act of censorship is always worse than whatever is being censored. Always.
Hmmm.....
I know this is in bad taste but I want to work where you work.
Damn a boss with a sense of hummor.
Just hope it does not get to the last item on that list or it would be a mistake.
"Think of it as evolution in action."
Of course it is! Nothing quite like scraping blood, brains and intestines off your aluminum bat after a good whacking. But survival in the Post-Apocalyptic era can't always be fun, can it?
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Come at me with that baseball bat and I'll drop you at 50 yards. I got 500 rounds of ammo saved up. Get real close to me, or I run out of ammo, and I will use my recently sharpened 440 staneless steel blade Katana. Swords are better than bats!
Did it work?
So far my favorite lines at work are: "If there's a lot of problems we'll page you." (Great, you don't trust our software but you trust the paging companies.) and "If the building has no power there will be security people at the dorr to check your bages and let you in." (Obviously they think Windows NT is just as useful without power...)
Word is ABC & CNN are just doing minute by minute broadcasts. Man, I wish I was still hacking, wouldn't you love to be able to change those screens!
No Zen is good zen
I keep threatening to play "Blue Bread Mold", but that's been a forbidden song ever since we had about 20 of us kicked out of an all night diner for singing it over and over and over again (it was when the second guitar came into the restaurant that the manager asked us to leave).
--
Evan
"$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
I figure that if civilization does collapse and the apocalypse begins, I'm just gonna walk the earth, like that guy in kung fu. You know, walk from place to place, get in adventures, that sort of thing.
Fight the man, Hey wait... I'm the man
As I'm sure many of you have noticed, the best way to play Oregon Trail was to forgo things like food at the start of the game, stocking up on ammo instead. Then, you cut a swath through the wildlife on the way out to Oregon to feed yourself.
No, the only way to guarantee a win is to buy large negative ammounts of food and ammo, and use the proceeds to buy several hundred oxen, which will carry you accross the country in one day of game time.
Some versions had some kind of weird bug that prevented this strategy from working, however.
Trees can't go dancing
So do them a big favor
Pretend dancing stinks!
I hunt deer with a 357mag (Ruger GP100) loaded with hot ammo (I hunt in steep terrain, a handgun in a holster is easier to deal with than a rifle or shotgun on a sling or in hand). 50 yards would be no biggie. You're correct though, a rifle or shotgun is a better "disaster" weapon.
Chris
remember when the apocalpyse zombies come aim at their heads
I'm in NZ, leading the world to the next millenium. As I type this, it's 12noon, 12 hours to go, but bloosdy heck, I need an umbrella. It's bloody raining here, and it's supposed to be summer.
"I just can't sit while people are saying nonsense in a meeting without saying it's nonsense" J Watson, Sci Am 288:(4)51
LOL my thoughts exactly... only I have $92.58 in my account (enough to go buy my liquor and pay my portion of a hotel room with friends) and I owe 27 grand in student loans.
:) I'm gone to party now...
and yes... it has begun to go awry. I have cnn on behind me and headline news just reported 2000 some bank machines went down because they're starting to read it as 1900. (probably reading ahead... ex.. someone depositing money that they regularily cant get for 3 business days or something)
woohoo... this is going to be exciting
happy new year slashdot
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Not necessarily, the best disaster weapon is whatever the user is most comfortable and best trained with, period.
However if the user is proficient with both a shotgun and a handgun, the shotgun would normally be the better weapon to have when cvilization collapses.
You try drinking 10 bottles of DR Pepper mixed with 5 bottles of capt and see how much toilet paper you use :)
:)
As for the condoms.... "10 condoms is enough for anybody"
You are a threat to free speach and must be SILENCED!
Fish! LipHo
Paper clip hole... Of course!
Nice, though old 8" floppy drives cudgel much better. Of course, the platters from huge, ancient HDs can make quite good projectiles..
While all of you are stockpiling your precious bullets, I will be digging for plutonium at the local reactor
:-) )
Guns won't allow you to take the Great Lakes region, but tactical nukes might give you a shot.
(Note to any NSA or FBI agents reading this: I'm only kidding
I'm inspired. I'm not expert about Y2K issues, but I'm afraid my refrigerator is not yet compliant. One trip to the liquor store down the street should fix that. Maybe put one of these X10 sensors in there and a perl script to log a pretty graph through a www interface if I need to check the temperature of the vital beverages. It never hurts to be fully prepared for events that only happen once in a 1000 years.
Let's see:
My car needs gas and an oil change,
I have 4 dollars in my pocket and I'm $450 into my $500 overdraft protection,
There's probably nothing in the fridge to make dinner with,
My home machine's lame Win95 install hasn't been upgraded...
I'm thinking I'll have to scramble to make it through the weekend even if nothing happens!
Happy end of Y2K hysteria!
"You can't get something for nothing." - my grandfather, on the stock market and Reaganomics.
Stopped at Win-Co the other day and stocked-up on food and necessities, but that had more to do with the fact that we didn't have any food in the house than fears of Y2K. Mention of Bushmills got me t' thinkin', though. I really should drive into town and pick-up a fifth of Jameson's. Be nice to have a nip to celebrate the new millenium. (My late) Grandpa would approve.
Non-geek friends have been phoning and eMailing to ask me (at this late date) whether they should do anything about their computers for Y2K. I keep thinking I should BOFH them more....
Haven't seen or heard of any great rushes on the stores out here (Salem, Oregon) yet. Last I'd heard, the stores had ordered more bottled water for the expected panic, and were stuck with a massive surplus. Then again, it rains here in the winter, so people may be planning to do the equivelent of the "snow-melt" thing. News services are all prattling that Portland's the most likely target for terrorist crap in the PacNW, now that Seattle's cancelled it's Y2K bash. Doesn't make much difference to me, as the wife and I were planning on staying home anyhow, and screwing-in the new year.
Yeah, I've a shotgun, but don't expect to have to use it. Going to stay out of the city for a couple of days, though. Some of the more rabid religious types are getting downright wierd about the new millenium stuff. Luckily my wife and I do the home office thing, so as long as I've a net.connection, we're good to go. We're up in the hills above the city, so it should be fun to watch the show if of the zealots decide to hasten the second coming a bit. I'm thinking of picking-up a telescope, when I'm in town today.
I was born and raised in Michigan (Flint / Flushing). Miss the snow. Hope you guys are enjoying it for me. I'd rather be shoveling than squelching around in the mud any day, but the wife has family out here....
Snow!
What snow!?!
It is 75 degrees outside right now...
"Heavens, it appears that my weewee has been stricken with rigor mortis!" -- Stewie Griffin
And six months from now you'll be,
"Steak, AGAIN?!!? Gawd, what I wouldn't give for some soup!"
=8-)
I wish you the best of luck in your new Michigan regime, whoever they may be.
Being a resident of the greater Washington DC area, I am hoping that the US government will be able to take control of the Y2K confusion and insert a stable government in DC by the cover of fireworks and nightfall.
all persons, living and dead, are purely coincidental. - Kurt Vonnegut
"Trust the computer industry to shorten "Year 2000" to Y2K. It was this kind of thinking that caused the problem in the first place."
Thought I'd share that quote with the community - quite amusing I thought.
For example:
1/1/99: Nothing happened
9/9/99: Nothing happened
10/1/99: Nothing happened
GPS Rollover: Nothing happened
Case in point: it's almost unlikely something will happen. But it's still good to prepare anyways.
US businesses that currently accept chip and PIN/signature
I don't know about you guys, but I'll be stocking up on plenty of corned beef hash. You can live on that shit for months!
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"One World. One Web. One Program."
--Microsoft Promotional Ad
The game was made by MECC (Minnesota Educational Computing Consortium), which is still in business making educational software (although may have been acquired?), including a CD called Oregon Trail, which I'm sure is a souped-up version.
However, it would seem likely that they could instruct you in finding a port or binary.
"You can't get something for nothing." - my grandfather, on the stock market and Reaganomics.
I bought about 150bucks worth of soup, and since we have a woodburning stove, and live backed up to a Nat'l forest service land, we are good to go! Oh, and I got about 20bucks worth of different medicines... Noone ever thinks of that. You get sick, and yer outta there when all the doctors are nuked.
;)
Happy Y2Trae!
OctobrX
geeky stuff I'm proud to have been a part of: linux.com / themes.org / sourceforge.net / sicnus.com
If you have the right keyboard, it can be a good bashing weapon. The old IBM 'clickey' keyboards are sturdy enough to beat someone to death . . . and resume normal function once the electricity comes back!
'I ain't a liar, baby, and I ain't proud I just want what I'm not allowed.' -- Violent Femmes, 36-24-36
spent working, as I am employed at the local power plant, I thought I'd have some fun and cut the power to the town off and on, spelling in morse code "Just Kidding".
They're expecting a bloodbath when Rudy asks Hillary who's better at satisfying Bill, her or Monica.
George
Master makes a series of 'notched' key locks, which are far harder to pick, pop, or rake open. I'm fairly adept; I can get any M1 open in under 30 seconds, any KW1, SC1, or M2 in under two minutes. I won't even touch them; Acetylene or cutting wheel only.
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You are not supposed to drink distilled water! It strips your body of minerals. You wont die or anything after a gallon, but its generally not a good idea. Distilled water is good for ironing, and uh various drug-related 'science experiments'. I sugguest you throw a big clod of mineral rich soil in your water now. Well maybe a small clod, need to get some iron in there.
It is if you're on the 20th floor of an office building.
Hamster food does taste pretty good... And it tends to freak out my sister in law.. which is another plus
- Take a torch - preferably one of those soft lantern things.
- Take a portable radio or TV - you want to know what's happening.
- Don't go on the roads until dawn unless you absolutely have to.
- Don't get blind drunk, you'll need your wits about you.
These are for Australia, as we don't need to worry about the cold. Northern hemisphere residents should also concern themeselves with a sleeping bag, a rug and, if celebrating away from home, at least two nearby places to crash for the night (so at least one might have heat).Ya, but how the fuck do I unshrinkit?
I've been growing 6 acers of potatoes over the last year....here's why:
1) Excellent source of noutrition....a person can live for a year off 1/4 acer of potatoes a year.
2) For said reason above I can sell them for an over inflated price...or for guns, ammo, beer, toilet paper, whatever I need.
3) They can be used as ammo for spud guns. Laugh now, but wait until you see 1.5e+6 spuds attack your bunker.....
4) The skins can be used for clothes.
5) Electricity.....even if power does go out, my computers will still be running.
--Justin Mitchell
"2nd Place is a fancy word for losing" --Bender (Futurama)
Hemos seems to have swiped my idea of turning the remnants of his abode into a source for (life giving) whiskey. Actually, just yesterday I acquired the last bit of equipment I need to convert the burned out remnants of my home into the largest brewery on post-apocolyptic earth (or at least the Midwest.) And I've been preparing and improving my brewing skills for just this for several years. All of you with AK-47s, come on down to the Greater Chicago area, I'll be cranking up production soon and will have more than I can drink. Of course, nobody shoots the brewmesiter, unlike the piano player.
So long and thanks for all the fish . . . !!!
I think you can combine the two - check out my 6 D cell mag-lite with modified endcap consiting of one 12 gauge shotgun shell. Doesn't hit anything at about 100 yards, but it will take down someone that the mag light can't. And then there's the 3 D cell converted to a 6 shot .357 revolver. And the other 6 D cell with a scope and .30-06 ammo.
http://www.bombcar.com It's where it is at.
Fellowship 9/11
I bought a bunch of Passover candles last spring, as they're certainly Y2K compliant (I just hope they're Y5.760K compliant!).
I also bought an Air Zone Micro Rapid Fire EZ Squeeze 4 Shooter on sale, and am filing down the barrels to increase the missile speed (some of which barely clear the barrels). Any Y2K invaders better be ready to face a ruthless barrage of foam darts! And I have a bunch of snow shovels for hand to hand combat, as well as a non working 20 meg 5 1/4 inch hard drive to cudgel with.
I still have to get 3 1/2 pounds of honey, 2 1/2 pounds of light malt, 1 pound of corn sugar, lager yeast and lots of Cascade hops, I want to get a batch of Papazian's famous Rocky Raccoon honey lager fermenting before the big day.
In the event we have to evacuate, I bought a sled and affixed a rope to it a few days ago, so I can cross country ski away while pulling my daughter and computers.
George
If nothing happens
why waste money on buying water, when you can take as much water as you want from tap, and just boil it? maybe not as mineral rich as tap, but it's clean. and besides, who needs minerals if you're gonna die anways?
Well, the freezer isn't a problem. Just toss it outside in the snow!
1. Confetti: Its not edible, and makes the apocalypse a messier affair. And when the water malitia comes around, do you want to look like a dork with aper in your hair?
2. Condoms: These will PREVENT the propagation of the human race.
3. A Stereo Blasting Party Music: Like you want to let the mutants from nuclear winter know where you are, as well as the other maniacs running aorund our post-apocalyptic world.
4. Mistletoe: Its a poisonous plant! RUN! RUN! People who carry it around asking for "kisses" really want to murder you for your battery/water supply.
By the way, I have pl,ans for next year and firmly believe nothing major is going to happen.
marotti.com
Since I know my box are going to be up but I can't trust my ISP I've prepared myself as every man should. I've downloaded as much old text adventures as I could find and checked the batterys in my mag-lite *(Don't wanna get eaten by that grue). When it comes to food I'm sure there will be plenty in those old coffee mugs on my desk, if it's edible is another question and if any looters decided to pop in I'll just turn off the light and we'll see who the grue eats first
--nuqDaq yuch Dapol--
1st Millenium: 0-999
;)
2nd Millenium: 1000-1999
3rd Millenium: 2000-2999
In any base 10 numerical system, you have to account for zero. Are you trying to tell us that the ten digits of the decimal system are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10? Are calendar systems exempt from the basic rules of math? Exactly what planet are you from?
11 eggs do not make a dozen
Thanks for the tip! And remember - an empty carton contains zero eggs. (That's not a dozen either, in case you're wondering
there was no year zero
Sure there was. It was the one before the year 1. Some call it '1 BC', but what's a little relativity among friends?
**>>BELCH
Well, being in New Zealand as I type, I can assure you that your average new year involves a large amount of societal collapse anyway. If it didn't it would be a fairly embarrasing new year. Woohoo... we will be first nation to have televised mass-destruction!
Nothing like last minute planning. I just finished updating my company today and we are closed tomorrow. Chalk one up to good old procrastination.
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ps - Yes deer have big, thick boned shoulders that can and have reflected arrows shot at 70 lbs fitted with 145 grain Muzzy broadheads at 40 yards. So to think that a 9mm will even create a wound that would ensure a 2nd shot would be wishful thinking.
Well, I don't know about you folks, but I'm pretty much ready for Y2k. I did my shopping last week. What'd I buy?
.22 hollowpoint ammunition
:) ;) ;) ;)
* 1,500 rounds of
* 250 shells for 18ga shotgun
* 250 shells for 12ga shotgun
* Equipment for cleaning rifle scopes
* Gun cleaning equipment
* 30 cans of tunafish
* 10 jars of peanut butter
* 10 jars of jelly
* 6 loaves of bread
* plenty of bread making supplies
* 240 12oz. cans of pop
* 2 tons of bituminous coal for the coal heater
So let's justify it!
.22 Ammunition - Hunting for poli, er, uh, food.
18ga Ammo - Hunting for mili, er, ah, food.
12ga Ammo - Hunting for riot, er, um, food.
Scope Cleaning - Hunting for.. er.. nevermind
Gun Cleaning - You know what.
Tunafish - Gotta eat!
PB & J - Gotta eat!
Bread - Gotta eat the rest on something!
Bread making - Well, if we run out of sliced...
Pop - We're very very thirsty. *grin*
Coal - Well, er, we usually buy that much coal.. just not that often.
So, who wants to go riot, er, hunting for.. supplies and.. uh.. food with me? }:)
=RISCy Business
your company here.
shelby != ford
Gin? Vermouth? Whiskey? Beer? I didn't hear "everclear" did I?
Sounds like my plan - the world may be going to end, and you may end up with hideously fatal wounds that will chew you apart from the nuclear fallout, but they won't even care because they'll be so sauced up they probably won't even look up from whatever game they're playing at the time.
Reminds me of a quote from a RedMeat comic strip -
"You know Karen, I've been troubled lately by the possibility that a giant meteor could come hurtling out of the sky at any moment. The initial cataclysmic impact would kill millions instantly. The ensuing cloud of dust, smoke, and steam would destroy all remaining life over the next few months. During that time, the survivors would play out their remaining days in a grisly carnival of cannibalism and unimaginable agony"
Be that as it may, I'm sure I'm not going to be the only one that will probably be somewhat impaired on new years eve.
-- Truth goes out the door when rumor comes innuendo. -- Groucho Marx
Lucky for me, I (like many /. readers, I suspect) live in a time zone that provides plenty of time to prepare.
I get up for work every morning at almost exactly midnight, Aukland time, so if New Zealand society collapses, I plan to skip work and go back to bed for a few hours, so that I am well rested for all the rioting and looting. I'm not generally inclined to riot and loot, but as has been mentioned before, Winnipeg is awfully cold in the Winter so we will have to riot and burn things to keep warm. (I am again fortunate, because I have almost 5 years of accumulated University notes to use for fuel)
As for food, I'm a vegetarian, so I have to be a little more picky in my food choices (I can't eat my neighbours, at least not many of them). I'm hoping that the canned peas and carrots will be left for last at the grocery store.
Dana
1) get wood
2) build farms
3) sell food on the market
4) buy weapons (and other resources) with the gold
It's not apocalipse, but it was a pretty rough era..
By the way, what about porn?? Sure, the net is full with porn, we have porn on the tip of our fingers, but what if the net colapses? How many GBs of porn is enough.
I say a diesel generator plugged to a machine with a 13GB HD, with the date set to 1/1/1970. That'll get me 30 years..
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Stay tuned for some shock and awe coming right up after this messages!
It only takes a couple of minutes to paint "death to the infidel!" on it. Who knows, you might even hit me. :-)
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
I've got to mention how my brother Enki is spending the Y2K clickover: he and his friends have planned for a year to have a camp-out in the woods. They should currently be setting up their campsite at an undisclosed location in the Canadian wilderness, complete with propane heating, hot tub, shower and full kitchen facilities. They're even planning on taping a radio show, What The Hell, to netcast from the site. (Sorry, couldn't resist giving them a plug. Besides, their Y2K provisions list, which is certinly competitive with the best I've seen here, is linked under "events" or the Y2K banner there.)
I, meanwhile, am likely going to be partying with Dick Clark with my sweetie, possibly heading out for hometown celebrations which include a mass wedding (yeesh) and fireworks if the weather is OK. I was going to head out for provisions tomorrow morning, but only for party snackage and a box of "Millennium" crackers. It only recently occurred to me that, Y2K bug or no, I'm likely in the more hazardous situation: a basement in my bf's over-dense subdivision full of disgruntled gangsta-wannabe teenage boys. Likely sitting directly beneath a plate glass window of kickable height, defending a hoard of pizza, drinks and Playstation games.
Then again, I live in a rural enough area that we have our own well for water (no municipal service) and have a generator. Frankly, we're set. Now I just have to wait for Tuesday to see if the guys' Getaway from Y2K turns into something resembing the Blair Witch Project. I guess I can attempt to tune in to the station this Sunday to hear them muttering: "Fsck, it's cold." "Yeah, but we got an excellent view of the riot fires."
I thought I was the only one plotting for control of Michigan at midnight!
Oh well, I'll just get trampled at the Metallica concert at the Silverdome instead!
Nothing like floor seats at a football field!
Dan.
I'm horrified to see that none of you included duct tape on your list of things to have for Y2K (especially so soon after the Slashdot 10 Ten Hacks story).
Maybe that's because they already have a couple pallet-loads of duct tape lying around the compound. That way there's no need to buy more at the last minute.
toilet paper...
this is just a placeholder till i send back my real sig from the future.
Well, Y2K has received a lot of hype. And NYC is the big American New Year's event. So, they're figuring that if somebody wants to celebrate Y2K by blowing something up, Times Square would be the obvious target.
:)
As far as the manhole covers go, it just makes sense, to ensure that nobody plants a bomb under one, right?
I doubt anything is going to happen, particularly with all those cops around, but if I were them I'd be nervous too. It's their job to be paranoid about stuff like this.
Personally, I'm gonna spend Y2K on a friend's couch in a pleasant little suburban neighborhood in California, drunk as all hell.
Slow day at the office, errr compound, Huh?
Who is the master of foxhounds, and who says the hunt has begun? -Pink Floyd
I really like Hemos' idea of getting whiskey. Thats actually the only thing I've got to get me through Y2k and any potential problems. Good ole' Crown Royal (best rye money can buy.)
I am the proud owner of three cases of Campbells Chicken, Brocoli, Cheese and Pototo Soup. I look forward to cracking open a can, pouring myself a shot of Bushmills and watching the mushroom clouds in all their splendor.
If you don't understand anything I post, please accept that I ate paste as a small boy...
No trusty adventurer should leave his/her home without one.
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As I was convinced by my girlfriend to travel to Austin for New Years away from my native Las Vegas, any y2k planning I've done has gone to moot(well, aside from "Get the hell out of Vegas.")
Now my main dilemma is whether we'll jump into the masses for A2k or find a lil club or house party somewhere off the drag to celebrate...
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driph
about those
... well not so cool. Think about that :-)
>> 6 Gallons Distilled Water.
You definitely do NOT want to drink distilled water. Well, maybe a glass if youre really thirsty - but definitely not 6 gallons. This stuff can kill you. DEAD. And if the rest of the world survives, that would be kinda
Now lets say we were in an urban envior., the pistol and shotgun would be a choice for short range building and street fighting. Now lets take the fight into the open fields and woods, the rifle (fer distance and power) would rule the day. I have heard that a man trained in high levels of Martial Arts can be a lethal opponent. But put him in a (non hand to hand) firefight and his fighting skills would be useless.
That was pretty fun on the way to work this morning, the black ice I mean. I like the fact that I could slide around the corners instead of the boring old, slow down, look both ways, then go meathod we are all used to. It also helps when there is no one around too I guess.
A friend of mine and I are going to take our planes up and be airborn over Chicago at midnight, simply to mock all the Y2K-panic stricken people afraid to fly. Of course, both our planes have gyroscope-driven instrumentation and radios from the 1970's, none of which have ever cared about the date. A 777 with a glass cockpit might be a little more exposed to potential Y2K issues...
:-)
Still, it will be fun to thumb our noses at Y2K, and who knows -- if the airports are as quiet as everyone is predicting, maybe O'Hare will finally let us into their airspace and do some low passes over that huge runway! Plus, if all the lights in the city go out all at once, what better place to watch that than from 1500 feet overhead?
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
Okay, bought two weeks of food and water and juice and etc. Went by the local cheap department store sporting goods racks looking at the shotguns.
Mmmmm. Shotguns.
Area effect to make up for lack of gun skills (at least compared to everybody else that plays ^%$*$# Unreal Tournament Deathmatch. @^##@^&$$!!!)
But, alas, it was not to be. My lovely wife reminded me that paranoid, short-tempered people shouldn't be allowed access to firearms. Can't imagine how paranoia and short temper came up, unless it was that little "And when I'm finished blowing the heads off the aliens that are using Y2K to take over, I can put them on Tiki Torches in our front yard!!" comment.
That was my mistake. She hates Tiki Torches.
So, all I have to face the New Year is a razor-sharp Highlander katana replica. There can be only one, and with all the firearms out there, it probably won't be me...
No Longer a Menace to Society.
Alexandria Morrigan born 2/22/01 l. 20.5in wt. 7 lbs. 5 oz.
Does anyone have a list of good websites or chat places were we can get an update on what is happening in other time zones (without having to listen to all that stupid tv chatter)
*legal* Disaster weapons of choice - 1)12 gauge ITHICA, coated flat black, 9 round mag. and polymer stock with all the nifty little addons 2) MAK-90, wood grips and thumb stock fitted with a 4x20 scope and and extra milled upper reciever(none of that side mount shit!),flash hider/muzzle lift kit and MEGA bananna clips w/ russian JHP.
At least I'm going to know where my towel is. Christmas lights may also come in handy in case I have to strangle a few "trespassers."
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"Now you get off my propr'ty, y'hear
Of course, I'll probably be very drunk when the clock does go around. I'll also be waiting at the main breaker box for whatever building I'm in for the crowd to yell "happy new year!"
Imagined sounds: "vvvvvrrrrrrr-r-r--r--r", "AGGGGGGGH, it was all true! The four horsemen are coming!"
Ah the pains I go through to amuse myself.
Dr. Strangelove rules!
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Use the Z-modem protocol between Information Superhighway routers to compress the plaintext. ~LordOfYourPants
I'm not worried about food and stuff come midnight tomorrow. I simply plan on looting the grocery stores. I live in one of those areas where, if abject terror starts, everyone will start looting the electronics stores for expensive merchandise. While they're all doing that, I'll just load up my Firebird with all the food it can hold and take off before anyone realizes the electronic equipment they just stole is useless 'cause there's no electricity. Of course, I'm sure someone else has thought of this, so I'll bring my gun along to erase any competition....
hmmmm - I guess you've never been through the LA riots of '92 have ya? You've gotta learn from the past that the authorities can and will at times NOT HELP you at ALL.
OPEN doesnt refer to "Push button".
I've already bought thirty 200 ft spools. Duct tape is good for creating makeshift shelter, clothing, skiis, food, containers, computers, restraints, shovels, napkins, kleenex, fuel...
;)
I'll be safe no matter what happens!
PS-Duct tape has no date rollovers or timed demos. Major plus.
"In individuals, insanity is rare, but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule." -Nietzsche
I plan to wait until sunday for the After Y2K sales. I figure like for Christmas and Thanksgiving, the prices on water, ammunition, cases of beer will go rock bottom. And I can be prepared in an economically fashion for the next millenium. (I already found the perfect Cristmas gift for my niece!)
Jack-o-Lantern
Now I know why all my snow is gone!!! you guys bought snow shovels and today... there isnt a speck in Grand-Rapids to speak of... (Lots of fun black ice though!.. .weeeee no stopping for intersections anymore!!!)
Have you guys ever considered advertising on cable tv??? gimmie a call.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
zI
A 1lt bottle of Jonny Walker Scotch (Also useful for making fire bombs)
A large Maglite tourch (Also useful as a club)
Vast quantities Toliet Paper (Sh.. Happens)
Batteries (Various uses)
Two 1.5 litter bottles of Mineral water and a large can of baked beans (Enought to survive on until more can be fought for)
-Jasa -- Linux - The SOURCE will be with you, ALWAYS
Happy New Year! Thanks for a curiously informative year of info. You Linux guys sure know how to make a girl swoon!
Hugs, Lisa
ps. Hamster Havoc rules.
No you just pack it with Snow. (Ofcourse we havn't had any snow yet here in boston, so all bets are off).
Erlang Developer and podcaster
Why? Because he'll be able to regale me with movie reviews and entertaining features about school shooting and the media's perception of the shooters?
Fuck, no. So I can eat him when there's no food left!
Items needed for cufflink-based bomb timer:
1 Empty windshield washer solvent bottle
4 feet lamp-cord
1 styrofoam block, approx. 6x6.
1 pair cufflinks
1 knife
1 roll duct tape
4 C batteries, stolen from battery-powered radio
some water
Assembly directions left to your imagination..
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You may think that it is much to early to think about it. It is impossible that 20th century programs would be used in the year 10000, right? Just like programs from the 70's would not be used in the year 2000...
Now do you see what I mean? We have to learn from our bidigit mistakes and make sure that 8000 years from now it will not happen again.
Hehe - the Wombles comment really tickled my fancy (ooerrr missus!)
For those of you who live outside the U.K., some information on exactly what the Wombles are can be found here.
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The gift of death metal does not smile on the good looking.
This morning I woke up to the rancid smell of perishing perishables. Little inspection proved the hypothesis -- my refridgerator had decided it was best to store my food at room temperature. This was curious, but I *really* started to get irritated when my microwave didn't work either. At this point my primary suspect was an unpaid electricity bill, but the fully-functioning TV, Hi-Fi set and general lighting made that unlikely.
I spent most of the morning trashing my food and wondering what was going on.
Moral of the story: the fuse box is a great starting point in any Y2K -related practical jokes you are planning.
Marko Karppinen
Distilled water is NOT good. What you need is
natural/mineral water. Unless you have a source
of minerals (calcium/sodium/etc) that you can
add to it, drinking distilled water will take
away these same minerals from your body. Buy
bottled water instead.
I haven't stocked up any more than usual. I figure if the time comes, I'll have much more fun making personal attack helicopters and fully automatic gunpods out of standard household items. Already on the planning board: a gun that launches breakfast cereals at Mach 1.
Levine
actualy looking at the pattern of blood brain matter and bits of skull after a 12 gauge slug tears threw somebody's skull at point blank range on a wall is alot cooler. that and a bullet threw the head will cause alot more bleeding then a cracked skull. mmmmmmm death
Gentleman, you can't fight in here, this is the war room..
who sez death can't be funny....www.endlesssorrow.com
In California, we keep bottled water handy in case of an earthquake, by which a severed water main can either a.) cut off your water supply or b.) contaminate your water supply. But why is everyone going apeshit over hoarding water for Y2K? Is an old Win 3.1-based 486 controlling your city's water supply? I'm not an expert in municipal water or anything, but I would tend to assume that the natural-laws-of-physics-driven flow of water would continue regardless of what year it is. If you're worried about the second-coming, then you should at least be looking forward to the free wine that will be coming out of your tap!- --------------
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...Be prepared!
In the Magic Bag I have two lightsticks, a first aid kit, solar-powered radio, portable saw, GPS, palmpilot, mobile phone, condoms, survey maps of the city and surrounding national parks, compass, torch, swiss army knife, signalling mirror, various tools, a space blanket, and a towel. But they don't count because I always carry those around with me anyway[1].
For Y2K, I'm adding a bottle of Butterscotch Schnapps, a tub of chocolate mud-cake ice cream, my entire collection of water-weaponry[2], a change of clothes, and a trenchcoat. I plan to keep my SuperSoaker XP70 loaded and nearby at all times, because you never know what kind of weirdoes are out this time of year. My only fear is that I may be outgunned by nerf.
[1] Yeah, so I'm a gizmo klepto. They pack nicely away into the bag, weigh less than you think, and are regularly very useful. Except the saw.
[2] We have the world's biggest waterfight planned.
Jeremy Lee | Orinoco
Dude! The best way to spend Y2K is with loving friends and family. In my case, that means getting togeather at the local high school with mom, dad, brothers & sisters, and of course, the sysadmin. Open up a computer lab and do some "Y2K Stress testing" on the network. i.e. have some kickass half life and unreal deathmatches .
Now, to make the activity Y2K compatible;
55 Gallon drum of 87 grade gasonine
5 Honda generators
5 APC UPS's (gotta filter that power!)
5 Hurricane lamps (for when the light fails)
1 Case Jolt Cola (how else you gounna stay up all night?
1 Case of pork rinds (just in case)
My 20 gauge shotgun will bludgeon first posters and anything else just fine. It just does a few more things than a bat. Great thing is, I fired off some rounds today, so I know it works great, but its about a hundred years old, therefore Y2K compliant.
-jeff
http://www.somethingpositive.net Funny + bitter = comedy gold
My current employer provides various wan networking support around the world so for 48 hours our company is going to be 95% staffed during that time. After our last (thank you lord) Y2k meeting the following bits of advice was issued from my employer via memo:
For the 5% who will not working over the event (Y2k) please if you drink, have a designated driver.
For those of you working over the event please use the designated drivers we will have here on site, we'll be drawing straws to see who they are tomorrow. (This one is actually true.)
For those of you brining weapons to work for the event, those with the better weapons get the better parking spots.
If things go for the worse during the event and the catered food is not enough, those with the least seniority will be killed and eaten first.
Nice shopping list, guys. Fortunately, we are sposed to have temps near 70 here in SE GA, so I'm not worried about wood for the fireplace - though I may buy a bunch of those fake logs for cooking in case the power goes out. Beer and plenty of it. Beef jerky and chips round out a nutritious beginning of 2000.
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One more server to patch and I'm outta here. Happy New Years everyone on
"shop smart:shop s-mart" ash
As a followup it was a wonderful flight, and a great view of the fireworks! :-) We were by no means alone up there -- the most dangerous aspect of the flight wasn't the city lights going out (they didn't), the bullets from the southside (they missed), or the fireworks themselves, but the dozens of other aircraft and helicopters flying around in the same airspace!
(Posted Jan 03, 2000)
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
I've already prepared for Y2k by making bets with a lot of people that civilization won't collapse. If I'm right, I'll reap the benefits. I'f I I lose I'll pay them by credit card (even the fi' couldn't put them out of use).
A recurring theme in many posts seems to be the reassurance of having a weapon on hand. If something bad really does happen, a shovel will not help when fighting the Communist invaders. The Communists are frightened by bright light, and that is why I have secured a large Mag-lite flashlight from Sears. I happen to be in New York at the moment, but am fleeing to a mountain in Vermont to escape the onslaught of innocent life that will occur when Dick Clark drops the ball in Times Square.
The Communists and the disciples of Osama Bin Laden will begin gassing the crowds just as I am making my third run down a slope during "Midnight Runs" in Vermont. I will have my Mag-Lite in hand just in case.
__ While you sleep, I creep... gaining ground by the week.
I am completely responsible for our network as it's my baby..I built it from the ground up and I'm not trusting anyone with my labor of love...so I'll be sitting in the NOC reading /. with the elevators shut off making sure our customers can get their friggin email. :)
If you're not a Liberal in your 20's, then you have no heart.If you're still a Liberal in your 30's you have no brain.
If you're from the greatest country in the world (according to the United Nations) then you'll already be prepared for the wrath we're calling Y2K. How, you may ask.. but it's quite simple. Living in the cold tundara that inhabits everything Canadian, we have already been accustomed to the cold, dry air that will imminentley cover the rest of the world due to lack of electricity (let me remind you that Detroit, less than 0.1 mile away from Canada across the river, is considered a moderate climate and not included in the Y2K Compatibility. Sorry Detroit.).
In my Igloo I have no power, no running water, and no indoor toilets. I use the good old Canadian Maple Leaf as toilet paper, and Moose (or Caribou, depending on the migration patterns for that particular time of year) as Canadian bacon, a source of food. I'm doubting these animals will explode due to the Y2K bug, and hopefully neither will the leaves. I have a fresh supply of water underneath my house that will never run dry as long as the United States keeps flushing their toilets (which brings a new meaning to "free trade"), and as a bonus, the water also includes a good amount of fibre due to obvious reasons. The basics of shelter, food, and water are covered quite comfortably.
But we must not forget the need of entertainment to keep Canadians happy and content with themselves. A few Canadian beauties are known to take off their parka's at the local (and local I'm meaning 60miles away) strip club - where the Molson Canadian tree beer is always cold, and the women only have long underwear on! Yeehaw! Don't forget though: No snowshoes, No service.
And with that being said, I'm not afraid of Y2K what-so-ever.. and I have no reason to believe any other Canadian should. I'll have my basics and a little added entertainment.. and if all else fails, the Molson Canadian Beer Tree to get piss drunk and not remember what the year is anyway.
Giving into the stereotypes of Canada,
Matthew
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sortakinda.ca | canadian paraphrasing.
As I'm sure many of you have noticed, the best way to play Oregon Trail was to forgo things like food at the start of the game, stocking up on ammo instead. Then, you cut a swath through the wildlife on the way out to Oregon to feed yourself.
I figure any Y2K crisis is pretty much the same thing. Food, spare parts, even Hemos' whiskey are all available to the person with enough ammunition to spare. So, when my apartment has turned onto the Flaming Ciditel of Death and *I* control the greater Great Lakes region (having crushed the pathetic and drunken /. resistance), remember that you heard it here first.
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Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
Sombody moderate this one up, funny! :o
Calgary, Alberta, where I live, is at 3200 ft already.
a. Toilet Paper. A good case of Scott Tissue will do.
b. Ramen and Soup.
C. Vitamins
d. Warm Clothes.
e. blunt heavy object. I'll work my way up to firearms. I figure the first few will be dumb...
f. Diapers. I have two kids.
g. big flashlight and batteries. spare blunt object.
*just kidding*
I'm horrified to see that none of you included duct tape on your list of things to have for Y2K (especially so soon after the Slashdot 10 Ten Hacks story).
For you MacGyver fans, you'll probably also want to include a Swiss Army knife and possibly some potatoes (as a source of electricity and food).
-- Winston Yen
-- Winston Yen
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits."
I figure that without good coffee I'm toast
But I'm hoping for armageddon.. I'm gonna go hang out at the dam and see if the sky turns red with the blood of two thousand years of sin..
:)
Failing that, I'll go home and go back to coding.
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blue
i browse at -1 because they're funnier than you are.
I will have a lot of red licorish, dried apples and vodka. I have an inflatable raft in the trunk of my car in case the heat cased by all those vaporising christians at rapture casues the polar ice caps to melt, bringing about a waterworld scenario.
Just stay clear of Olympia.
Jeff
... I know the necesity of always having alchohol on hand.
While my favorite whiskey would have to be Wild Turkey (shoot one for me), I commend the Slashdot crew for carefully loading up on the ol' Mountain Dew.
The distillary is also a grand idea... Whiskey is incredibly easy to make (any fellow brewers out there would know), and you folks being in Holland would be a quick little jaunt fo me to stock up on grandpa's tea.
Thanks,
Do you have a water heater? Depending on size, this could provide between 20 and 120 gallons of water in a time of need.
I just bought three cases of duct tape so that I can tape everything in my home down so when the world stops spinning (come 1/1/2K) I will be the only one who is able to eat off of unbroken dishes!
LOAD "SIG",8,1
LOADING...
READY.
RUN
We all knew that the flouridation plot would come to something like this. i got my Kalashnikov, 2000 rds of tungsten core ammo, 50 cases of corned beef hash, and plenty of mescaline to see me through the coming tribulation. Jesus is coming, and he looks pissed. .^
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Unfortunately, I couldn't find the 2000 Babylon 5 calendar, so I settled for a cat calendar instead.
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/. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
1) A shotgun
2) ammo
Everything else can be looted easily among the chaos.
"See this? This is my BOOM-Stick!"
"Good.. Bad.. I'm the guy with the gun."
-Ash, "Army of Darkness"
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Wouldn't leaving the lasagna out in the snow let it open to theft by all the militant alcoholics with guns, baseball bats, katanas and broken beer bottles? Plus, you'll have to leave the safety of your bunker when you get hungary which would give someone in camo a chance to shoot you for food.
As society collapses due to Y2K panic, I will reside with my fellow endangered subspecies, homo commonsensus, and watch self-fulfilling prophecies of disaster play themselves out from a distance. We will maintain enough of a military and police capability to send rioters out into the wastelands that used to be large cities, where they can forage with less resistance.
Meanwhile, civilization will continue in our enclave (which will include enough defended farmland to feed us). With the future-fearing majority of humanity out of our hair, we will proceed unimpeded to develop nanotechnology, bioengineering, and other technologies to make our lives and ourselves better. (We would not be averse to a little organized raiding of our own if, as time goes on, it turns out that we forgot to claim some important resources. Indeed, we may even capture some of the more promising tribes to use as our own labor force, at least until we can start manufacturing truly intelligent robotic servants. We expect little resistance capable of withstanding us: an AK-47 doesn't do much against a tank.)
We expect to achieve spaceflight and move ourselves into colonies at the Earth-Moon Lagrange points before someone manages to figure out how to launch the nuclear missiles from their abandoned silos. The final extermination of all life on Earth is expected to be a pretty, if sad (in a nostalgic sense), sight from orbit. Won't you join us there to ring in 2001?
After an automotive breakdown (failed gasket in a Edelbrock 650), I went into a gas station hoping to procure some stuff to repair it. I bought two large coffee's, a half-quart of mineral oil, two cheap pinball games, a small bottle of Captain Morgan, a pack of razor blades, some sewing needles, a pack of Lucky, and three non-lubricated condoms. The plan was: Use the oil to break the rusted plate screws, the needles and razorblades to scrape what remained of the gasket off, and use the condoms as a temporary gasket. The pinball games were disassembled for their springs, which were then used to replace the ones I had lost during the troubleshooting process.
You should have seen the face of the elderly gentleman behind the counter. I think he called the cops after I walked out of the place, because they met me at my truck (a half mile down the road)and were way too curious about the contents of my shopping bag.
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water - I already have several gallons of bottled water already since my tap water sucks
food - still working on the leftovers from christmas. they'll probably still be in my fridge well past Y2k anyway
woman - I realized that this might be important in a post-apocolypse world. Not that anyone could truly replace my PC, washer, and dryer should the electricity go out.
medication - It would be irresponsible to enter the next millenium unprepared. So, I have made certain that I have any important medication I need, and enough knowledge to grow an acre or two of it if necessary.
alcohol - guinness bass corona jack daniels kj chardonay (?sp?). Any suggestions on a good merlot?
numb
Boy Plankton
Keyboards could be used as primitive shingles for your house. They also make excellent weapons, budgeoning, strangling, whipping, its all in there. The original IBM keyboards can be used as boat anchors. If you need to scale a wall you can throw the keyboard side over the top and then climb up the cord (grapling hook style) most useful for getting into the neighbors fortress at night without being discovered.
Michigan is a wierd place to live thats for sure. I think its the weather....
Someone mentioned that we should all go out and get hard copies of our current banking info, should something go awry.
I say: Take the $900 in my account! I owe 12 grand on my student loans. Fair trade if you ask me! (-;
The net will not be what we demand, but what we make it. Build it well.
The Geeks don't know good booze
/. geeks.. but some of us are)
Here is my list!
A 10 pack of trojans. (You may not be getting any
5 botles (1.75 litre) Captain Morgan's Rum
10 bottles (2 litre) Dr. Pepper
48 rolls of toilet paper (Mr. Whipple Is a fetishist)
4000 rounds of 44 calibre amunition. (no, i'm not paranoid.. it's for "target practice"!)
Thats the important stuff.. Now the other stuff
A full tank of gas in the car.
A lockpick kit (need to make a master key for my apartment complex for when the looting starts)
Several back issues of Linux Journal (for when the toilet paper runs out)
You are a threat to free speach and must be SILENCED!
Fish! LipHo
George
I'm set, prepped and kitted up for a big one.
I am stocked up with several cases of Carlton Cold, a fine Australian brew, for myself and friends.
My black CK jeans are hanging over a nearby chair, next to my "Fuck the Millenium" tshirt, which incidentally took 2 months to arrive after I ordered it online.
I'll be reporting events live from Sydney, one of the early entrants to Y2K, to various folk around the globe. What bigger media event than the appocalypse?
Actually I'm looking forward to a good dose of rioting. And looting. Contemplated what you'd go for? Fancy some new clothes that you really don't want to spend the money on? How about expanding your cd collection. Perhaps one of those juicy Toshiba laptops you've been drooling over? mine runs linux great.
Or maybe you'll just take the flexible option and go for cash? Hey sure, that's how I've always done it.
I say I ain't giving you no tree fiddy you goddamned Loch Ness monster, get yo own goddamned money!
I bought 2 big bags of hamster food.
I'm sorry, I just had to comment on this. I'm but a young tyke, still in HS, but Oregon Trail on the Apple][ was one of the first games I ever played.
From kindergarten to 6th grade, my computer classes at my (small, dying, private) school consisted of ancient Sierra games for 16 mint-condition Apple ][e's (they're still used for those poor kids to this very day. Now I get 486's running Win95. Yeckkkch...)
The best part was definitely the hunting. And the dire warnings about who got diptheria and died. And leaving messages on the tombstones. Oh, heck, I miss that game. Someone port it to Linux. Or, is there anything out there to emulate that really old Apple stuff? I have a working 360k 5 1/4" drive...
offtopic as ever and expecting to feel it in karma....
Angry IT woman in big clompy boots. And talking lint!.
Will my karma points get me anything in the new society?
I suggest that you immediately go out and purchase about $2000 worth of rum. It could be a better investment than Internet stocks if things go well.
But seriously though, I'm very afraid that nothing at all is going to fail, and a lot of people are going to verrrry unhappy!
All i've got stockpiled for Y2K is about a dozen packs of ramen, 2 cases of homebrewed hard cider (which won't actually be fully aged until spring), and some odds and ends.
I would be drinking Bushmills (or maybe Black Label) this newyears, 'cept an old friend is back in town, and there is a tradition of Tanqueray to be upheld...
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Play Six Pack Man. I
The economy won't collapse until late in january because no one will have to buy anything all month. We'll all be living off all of the stuff we've been stashing away.
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shr A, 1
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From this we can see that there will in fact be a political shift to the right.
Nooooo! Bush for president.
Ok, you were right, it is the apocalypse.
-- perl -e'print pack"H*","6e656d6f406d38792e6f7267"'
Some animals are people.
Most animals are very good at making themselves scarce when confronted with people. People have not developed that reflex. Therefore people are easier to hunt than most other animals. (Particularly in crowded urban environments.)
So this is not a case of has/does not have edible resources. It is a case of being edible resources!
HTH,
Ben
My usual seat in the cluetrain is at A HREF="http://pub4.ezboard.com/biwethey.ht
>For those of you bringing weapons to work for the event, those with the better weapons get the better parking spots.
I don't know, based on the above statement, senority may be something you could create.
d'ja notice that about every 'y2k plan' involves "going out and buying stuff" - no matter what happens, grocers and retails are cleaning up this season.
Cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching!
Boojum
Backing up stuff like there's no tomorrow.
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
Y2K is at our feet
A world apocolypse that we reap
As I stand to watch the show
A bottle of brandy - Down It Goes!
The difference between reality and fantasy is a nice soundtrack.
Yeah well I just found out that I have to go work service in the *worst* part of town by myself if anything goes wrong for a contract...makes me wonder if I shouldn't have bought that shotgun like I wanted to. Hmmmm, thank goodness I have my claymore.
btw - I purchased 4 2.5 gallon gas cans (all the 5 gallon ones were purchased many eons ago) and lots of batteries, new flashlights, a battery powered alarm clock, a battery powered shortwave radio receiver, a battery powered police scanner, and four cases of water, because here in PA, United Water said all of a sudden that they aren't quite sure that they will be compliant. I also got a Y2K compliant handcrank can opener.
oh yeah, and a ton of vitamins and herbal goodies!
Yup, I'll be surviving Y2K in the only properly fitting way - hanging out with those who don't rely on technology.
Having acclimated to the perpetual 50 degree weather inside Grandma's house, I figure we can burn about 3 logs a day and stay perfectly warm. We can cook on the woodstove too.
Now, when it does get a bit nippy, I have the Scotch.
Any since those freezers contain SO MUCH FOOD, well, last estimate was we'd need to get food come March. (Ok, so one can't really live on only ice cream, but who cares, right?)
And, don't forget the board games! Yes, Grandma has bought something like 30 games over the past few years. There's nothing better than playing Scrabble and Monopoly!
Happy New Year everyone!
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The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - G.B. Shaw
Actually, since they'll hit 2000 21-17 hours earlier than us, we'll probably be toasted before ever reaching the new year :-)
* And remember, it's spelled N-e-t-s-c-a-p-e, but it's pronounced "Mozilla."
I think the snow shovel is a little under rated right now, I mean with nuclear winter on the horizon, a lot more people might want to have some snow shovels around.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)