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What you said was perfectly reasonable, and intuitive, but also wrong. It used to be thought that the mechanism by which caloric restriction extends lifespan in yeast, fruit flies, mice and maybe for humans as well, was by reducing the damage due to oxidative stress.

Cells burn sugar somewhat like a car burns gasoline and so the theory goes if you eat less food you were putting fewer miles on your internal engine.

But now it seems like that isn't true. The rate of death in fruit flies put on a restricted diet slowed down within just a few days no matter how old the flies were. That implies that animals of any age can benefit from a restricted diet. It seems more likely now that what happens is that the body goes into "starvation mode" very quickly when food is scarce and that animals live longer in this regime. This is alluded to in the article.

The Sir2 gene has been known about and studied for quite some time. The mechanism of its action, epigentic silencing, is actually quite fascinating on its own outside of the context of its function. Well ok, maybe not.

So the billion dollar questions are, "Does this work in people?", and "What are the physiological costs associated with this starvation mode?". Finding out the answers to those two questions will take some time and teach us a lot about the aging process in humans along the way.

I have 2 DNS bookmarks for Google.com, and other website I visit frequently
In case there is an attack at the DNS-servers.

http://216.239.39.99/ and http://216.239.57.104/

Dr. Evil: You're not quite evil enough. You're semi-evil. You're quasi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evil, just one calorie, not evil enough.
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:u-XEP57XHtMJ: www.garnersclassics.com/qaustin2.htm+%22the+diet-c oke+of+evil%22+austin+powers&hl=en&start=1&client= firefox-a

PDF's suck, but google can fix them.

Greetings person of SLASHDOT beknownst "CyberLord Seven"! I prepared the following data for this past hour and expect the man (male or female) instrumentalizing "CyberLord Seven" and others to read all the depth I covered and ask any questions possible. Here goes, from my notes in my sojourning in America as a secretary holding instruments and construments for members of secret societies that exhalt their idol beknownst "United States" (a Federal corporation) of the United States of America of the several states of the church estates. Don't give up...I spent a long time writing this for you and our fellow brothers and sisters to read.

Social Security Numbers are not unique to each holder. It is known fact that Social Security Numbers are held by multiple people. For example, Benjamin Netanyahu the former Israel Prime Minister held the person BENJAMIN NETANYAHU and Social Security account Number 020-36-4537; and the point being is the afformentioned SSN is shared as well by the persons JOHN JAY SULLIVAN, JOHN JAY SULLIVAN JR, BENJAMIN NITAI, and the list goes on for this one account! Social Security Numbers are not identification, not I-dentification, not id-entitification, and do not exhibity a unique id-entity and I-dentity. It behaves as a trust fund by the grantor reversioning all funds to "mature" retired account holders, yet is often swear without liability by Social Security Administration employees as NOT being a trust fund. Social Security behaves as a typical commercial instrument weilded by its holder(s) through contract, yet is often swear without liability by Social Security Administration employees as NOT being a contract. Remind you, a contract not voluntarily agreed by a contractee not yet exhibiting "sound mind" is null and void from the beginning of inception. None under the age of 18 can lawfully sign a contract, yet upon a child being born to a family then often a father or mother are coerced under threat of imprisonment for child endangerment if they do not voluntarily birth a child to a citizen and of the STATE by footprint. Footprints are often held by inferior courts as evident of having "tresspassed" upon the STATE, if not lawful birth to a legislatively created court and corporate sole entity. People don't write with feet and Seal by footprints to bear witness for Record, and use a number of abilities to distinguish between an animal or a man or a human or a woman such as a living Seal for a Record so touched voluntarily by the contractee's opposable thumb upon His/Her autograph (not a Sign, not a sign-ature, but exhibiting a supra-natural act of nobility).

It is slander to speak that anyone "has" or "behaves" or "owns" a SSN because it is property of a person beknownst "Social Security Administration" so-chartered by the United Nations under the "Department of Health and Human Services. Anyone can hold a SSN, but don't bear witness of it; and compeled use of a peice of paper is known as "libel", as not allowed by a state at the time of the forum united States of America an perhaps earlier back to the church estates posted after the Year of Our Lord one-thousand-and-four-hundred-and-ninety-and-two. To speak in good faith and credit in light of the Social Security Administration employees is foolish because according to Federal regulation they can't incriminate themselves and they adhere to such when given a perfected rebuke for which they are unable to quash. DO NOT APPROACH THEM WITHOUT PERFECTED AFFIDAVITS AND WARRANTS.

Conclusion is that "Congress", or whatever those snakes bear witness of themselves being, have ignored the separation of powers in separate jurisdictions, and to make matters w

And here is the link to that cache. The pictures are even still working.

For now.

Here's google's cache of the front page that we beautifully slashdotted. Also, on a related note, many companies offer free SSL certificates if you do a little business with them. Ever-popular GoDaddy recently joined the ranks of those companies. They started offering free SSL certs to open-source projects.

So today's lesson is: Weasels will turn to the courts to shut up those who would warn the public

funny thing is, it's the same lesson we've been presented before.

In case anyone else finds the highlighting as distracting as I do:

Google cache of Wikipedia's Xenu article without highlighting

I find it an interesting coincidence the power outage happened so soon after that the Xenu article was featured.

Gee, you just had to mention the X-word! Now this thread won't load for most Scientologists because the keyword filters they were forced to install by their Church will see "Xenu" and block the site. After all the mere sight of the word could cause "pneumonia and death" if you haven't paid the Church of Scientology for the proper preparation.

Wikipedia's Xenu article has an interesting history if you look, as I did the other night when it was featured. Scientologists vandalize it regularly. You're supposed to pay them a half million (or some absurd sum of money) to find out about Xenu. After you find out, you're too embarrassed to admit to anybody that you paid a half million to learn that your problems are caused by bad science fiction, when you could have bought a house in Silicon Valley instead. So they obviously don't want a Wikipedia article giving away their half-million-dollar "trade secret" for free.

One trick I saw was to use HTML entities to spell out insults at the top of the article- like "only an idiot would believe this" or something. In the editor window, the entities weren't rendered and each letter appeared as a hex code.

A more effective attack took a different approach. The vandal in this case changed "Scientologists" to "Muslims", "Scientology" to "Islam", and inserted a boring-sounding sentence at the end of the first paragraph claiming that "Xenu" is another name that Muslims use for "Allah". It completely discouraged you from reading further. If you didn't know better you wouldn't find out how "Allah" distributed the thetans around volcanoes on various planets and blew them up with hydrogen bombs, and how their blown-up spirits cause problems in your personal life today.

This is OT, but what the hell, why not whack a beehive? Additional information on Xenu:
Operation Clambake (Hubbard maintained that humans are descended from clams)
The Xenu leaflet (all about Xenu- this information can save you lots of $$$$$)
The road to Xenu (authored by a woman who got suckered)
The Google cache of Wikipedia's Xenu article is also a must read.

I'm wondering if I'll get a lot of freaks, downmoderations, and hostile AC replies after I post this. After all, that's the kind of thing that Hubbard called "fair game". If it sinks below default visibility I'll repost it again with my karma bonus, so you theta-clear-wannabes out there can save your points for someone else.

Here's a google cached article (no cache)with more detail on the legal questions and a bit more about what the Jenkins Act is. It was a federal act which obligated state-line crossing cigarette sales to be taxed in the state where they were shipped to.

Are you serious? The avg life expectancy in the US is 77 years. That is, unless you're a rhesus momkey...

heres a direct link to google's chache text of the site with no pictures http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:GshwWambHvEJ: www.corante.com/getreal/archives/2005/02/11/eight_ years_of_email_stats_pass_1.php+&hl=en&lr=lang_en& strip=1

For those that don't already know is that autovectorization is being worked on for GCC by folks from IBM and others.

GCC vectorizatoin project (site seem offline atm) but the abstract from a recent GCC summit is up.

Autovectorization Talk (google html view of pdf)

That being part of a conversation is more cognitively difficult than passively listening to music? Yes (sorry, only the google cache works for this) there have. There is a world of cognitive psychology and public safety research focused on interference of tasks, particularly with respect to driving. This study is not a first time thing...in fact the first reference i've found is from the journal of applied psych from 1969! [Brown, I.D., Tickner, A.H., & Simmonds, D.C. (1969). Interference between concurrent tasks of driving and telephoning. Journal of Applied Psychology, 53(5), 419-424.]

I would submit that the reason you feel no one has demonstrated this is due more to your not really being involved in the field than to a lack of evidence.

This isn't a purely scientific/statistical issue and can't be argued that way.

The question of whether cell phone use negatively affects driving performance is certainly a scientifically answerable question. You are right, though that the broader implications of this, including societal reactions, leaves the realm of the purely scientific.

d. The question isn't what minimizes accidents, it's what is a reasonable balance. And if we have fewer accidents now and rampant use of cellphones, I can't see it is reasonable to say banning them is necessary. If so, why isn't it (or wasn't it) necessary to ban other distractions? You've got to think of the sociological side of this too.

True, we could reduce accidents to 0 if we eliminated cars. As you say, there needs to be a compromise between freedoms and public safety. However, the suggestion that due to safer driving conditions (roads, cars, etc) we should ignore the dangerous effect of a new variables seems like a poor one to me. Imagine how much lower accident rates could be if you add together safer conditions, and less distraction. You could make your argument just as well for drunk driving (which our society has deemed a Dangerous and Bad Thing)....since we have safer conditions, then we should allow people to drive drunk. That is the analogy that needs to be made (just like this paper does...), that driving on a cell phone is, scientifically, as bad as driving drunk.

You are also correct in that determining what distractions should be legislated is a very sticky issue. We don't accept intoxication, but we do accept kids (though in most places they must be belted in to both protect their safety, and to limit the amount of distraction that is possible). We don't accept a level of sight-impairment, but we're cool with eating. Sociologically, if the point is to reduce accidents, then the plan should be to go after the most dangerous things that have a legitimate chance of being effected (passengers and radios aren't going anywhere). I would submit that cell phones, due to their recent societal explosion are one of the ripest targets.

I suppose you could take the rather cynical argument that we can accept X thousand automobile deaths a year, and once we've hit that we are fine. If we make safer cars, then the zero-sum nature suggests that we can allow more dangerous actions. There is even some evidence that this is the situation we have...but personally I would prefer that we try to continue to lower X.

-Ted

For instance: http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:jo3aRe29uHsJ: slashdot.org/+slashdot&hl=en will be blocked by the firewall, but http://216.239.57.104/search?%71=cache:jo3aRe29uHs J:slashdot.org/+slashdot&hl=en will not. Congratulations, you've just successfully did a canonicalization exploit on their firewall! :)

Hopefully they won't figure this out and fix their firewall...

For instance: http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:jo3aRe29uHsJ: slashdot.org/+slashdot&hl=en will be blocked by the firewall, but http://216.239.57.104/search?%71=cache:jo3aRe29uHs J:slashdot.org/+slashdot&hl=en will not. Congratulations, you've just successfully did a canonicalization exploit on their firewall! :)

Hopefully they won't figure this out and fix their firewall...

Here's what I was trying to say:

In Google's cache of the page, it's there, but it's a 1x1 image. And the image is still there. That's at the very least interesting...

In Google's cache of the page, it's there, but it's a 1x1 image. And the image is . That's at the very least interesting...

I have to say it's quite enlightening to see how low people will stoop when it's their business on the line. Bring on The 80's Guy!

What about those 3d-object printers. Sure, they're used in labs somewhere, but when will these things become commercially viable and available?

I have a jaw problems, so I went and got a CT scan of my head. The results were given to me on a CD-ROM in a standard format called DICOM. I had the data converted into an STL file format mesh of my skull using software called Mimics (google cache, site seems to be down at the moment). I then had it output on a Z-printer, which is one of those 3D printers your talking about, I presume. So basically, I now have an anatomically correct life-size model of my skull. The data conversion and the printing cost me around $500 US each. At first I thought it was so cool to be able to do this with technology now and that it was a work of art, but then I started to get the creeps after it sunk in that I was holding an actual copy of my skull.

The Alexa link was the only tangible example I could find. I distinctly recall seeing a post by Brad himself mentioning how much more traffic LJ handles, but obviously I can't link to it at the moment.

Anyway, as of Google's last crawl of the stats page (shortly before the outage), there were almost 6 million LJ users, a little under half of those "active." I don't know if /. has any stats available, but skimming through this page, the highest UID I see is in the 800,000 range. I'm not going to even attempt to guess what the relative activity level of LJ users is compared to /., or which has bigger pages or whatever, but I would offhand say that LJ probably handles more image traffic (user pictures, and now the in-testing photo hosting service). I know they used to use Akamai for that, but I seem to recall that fairly recently they switched over to doing something else. (I think they handle it themselves again, but I'm not sure.) There's also the audio files from phone posts. I'd say there's little question that LJ is the more heavily trafficked site.

Besides, a lot of the DB load on Slashdot is eased tremendously by Memcached, developed by... Danga Interactive, i.e. LJ. Wikipedia uses it too, and just started using Perlbal. (And I do mean "just") Ditto for Audioscrobbler/Last.fm. So /. isn't in much of a position to pooh-pooh the technical ability of Brad/LJ.

Not that this is necessarily a USB root kit, but there is a very handy little tool called the Metropipe Virtual Privacy Machine that fits nicely on a 128MB USB drive. You pop it into a computer that is booted into Windows and can bring up a virtual machine running a tiny version of Linux, complete with GUI, web, email, etc. There is even a tool included that opens up an encrypted tunnel to Metropipe, bypassing any proxy servers or web filtering that may be in place on your network. The entire OS remains on the USB drive, leaving no temporary Internet files or other traces behind. It is nice to have if you commonly walk into restricted or monitored networks and want some privacy.
The tools might also include a file browser so that you can bypass local NTFS security, but I haven't looked.
I know that Knoppix (sp?) can do similar things, but this does not require a reboot or access to BIOS to allow booting of a CD ROM. It only requires that the USB is active.
The site is down for maintenance right now, but Here is the Google cache.

I have to point out that a typical heterosexist slant exists in a lot of these studies. What about the LESBIANS?!

I have to point out that a typical heterosexist slant exists in a lot of these studies. What about the LESBIANS?!

...since it's Slashdotted after one comment. :(

Google Cache

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:-w3e16HLZw0J: benroe.com/files/gui.html+&hl=en

The problem is it is now hanging on various non-cached page elements...

Here is the google cache of just the text of the article, if you don't require the pretty formatting.

for those who where not around here's some links to the AGC, DSKY and more:
*Apollo Guidance Computer (AGC)

*slash article with source code listing

*Simulation of Apollo Guidance Computer

*DSKY

I guess you did not know that Christians were persecuted since the days of Nero because Nero blamed them for burning down part of Rome.

On October 28, 312 AD, Constantine, emperor of Rome, was encamped a few miles north of Rome, about to meet his enemy--Maxentius. Suddenly, writes ancient historian Eusebius, a Christ-inspired vision of a "cross of light" bearing an inscription "conquer by this" appeared to Constantine and his army. Later that evening, Constantine received a second vision of a Christ-inspired symbol with which he adorned his battle standards. The ensuing battle resulted in a tremendous route of Maxentius and within a few months (313 AD) Constantine announced the end of Christian persecution.

Here's a Google cache link to an earlier story dealing with this case. In this article, the surveilance was performed by an AT&T store. However, when he was finally charged, the story changed to an AT&T card purchased from a WalMart. Sorry I can't find that story, but I'll keep looking...

Slang
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:WH5fKEkW0XEJ: www.londonslang.com/db/p/+%22pearl+necklace%22&hl= en/

I have the bookmarks at work, but you're looking for papers by Brian Fleay. I don't agree with his conclusions as to the depth of economic impact, his work on energy profit ratio (EPR) looks spot on. I have found this paper though. Key words are highlighted, the passage you should be looking at is almost at the bottom, search for "Large-scale biofuel production".

Being the second largest economy in Latin America does not exactly qualify it as "poor". I've seen quite a few posts comaring developing nations being equal to a dirt poor african nation.

It's just plain ignorant to bundle all non-developed countries in one bunch. Don't act surprised when these "poor" countries start buying up companies from the "prosperous" countries.

CEMEX (Mexico)
EMBRAER (Brazil)
TELEVISA (Mexico)
WIPRO (India)
KOLA REAL (Peru)

Google cache page to save the website from being /.ed:

Christmas lights

"Clear Channel holds only 8.3 million shares of XM common stock, or an approximately 3% stake...

"Perhaps more importantly, Clear Channel does not hold any seats on XM's board and its stake in XM entitles it to no extraordinary voting rights. Clear Channel executive Randall Mays did sit on XM's board for a time, but once Clear Channel's stake in XM fell below 5%, the company was no longer entitled to a seat.

"Clear Channel, according to XM's own SEC filings, does provide "certain programming services" to XM. Likewise, XM has a sponsorship agreement to advertise at Clear Channel-owned venues. XM also leases a few terrestrial repeaters from Clear Channel and utilized Premiere Radio Networks, a Clear Channel subsidiary for some of its advertising sales. However, XM appears to be doing less business with Clear Channel as payments to Premiere fell from approximately $2.96 million in the first quarter of 2003 to about $1.59 million in the first quarter of 2004.

"To put it simply, Clear Channel is just a large institutional holder of XM stock... The business relationship between the companies has shrunk to the point of insignificance and Clear Channel increasingly views XM as a competitive threat."

I know Colubris makes some Wi-Fi access points that redirect unauthenticated traffic to another site for login.

This document seems to suggest that they have been in production at least since 2000, which is earlier than the patent date (2001).

There's a pdf here on the subject or you could read the google html version here.

It may not be your LCD that's the problem. If you're using an IR or RF wireless mouse, there's a good chance the lag is coming from that.

Ever heard about the License Raj ?. You don't need an outright ban to achieve a certain amount of censorship. You just need enough corrupt administrators to ensure that the system is available only to the equally corrupt (like what happened in India). Depends on how hard it is to get a number whitelisted (soon, we'll have "200 whitelisted numbers for just 20 Grand" ...)

But yeah, this one's probably a good idea ... (and I don't want to waste my moderation on the comments).

In the shady world of executives, what's "OK" is whatever they say it is ... until it all falls apart a la Enron.

According to the Guardian:

''When he left Halliburton in 2000 to become George Bush's running mate, he opted not to receive his leaving payment in a lump sum but instead have it paid to him over five years, possibly for tax reasons.''

This is still a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest exists even if it's only the appearance of a conflict. After all, we can't leave it to the criminals to decide if their behavior is criminal or not, can we?

If Cheney was an honorable man and worthy of holding high office, he would have taken the lump sum to AVOID THE APPEARANCE of connection to a major military contractor. Since (by many of his actions) he really doesn't give a rat's ass what the Proles think, he retains his Halliburton connection.

The Guardian article has more interesting tidbits:

''The aide said the payment was even insured so that it would not be affected even if Halliburton went bankrupt, to ensure there was no conflict of interest.''

This only shows how the aide is a mouthpiece used to satisfy a thoroughly ignorant public. The appearance of a conflict of interest must be treated as one, or you'll constantly be barraged by an upper class cheating the entire system while dismissing concerns about fraud with statements like "it's only an appearance". You can't leave the criminals to decide their own regulation.

'' "Also, the vice president has nothing whatsoever to do with the Pentagon bidding process," the aide added. ''

As if an aide (highly dependent upon orders from his superior) is someone we can believe in any case. The Veep is clearly in a position to influence the contracts ... just as with "Kenny Boy" from Enron meeting with the Veep (the details of which Cheney has still refused to be public about).

The corruption is all out in the open. The question is: are you willing to admit you're being screwed?

Bacteriophage appears to be an alternative to antibiotics for fighting bacteria. An article (you have to pay to access it) in Discover Magazine by Peter Radetsky about bacteriophage was published in November, 1996. It was mentioned by a man named Caisey Harlingten in a Horizon documentary on the BBC, and seems to have been an important publication that set things into motion. What isn't mentioned in the transcript is that right at the end of the documentary, text appears that says the deal between the American company called Georgia Research, Inc. set up by Harlingten and the Eliava Institute fell apart.

Wired wrote a follow up article on the story. One of the disputes involved another man, Alexander Sulakvelidze, opposing the seemingly pointless aim to genetically engineering phages, which Harlingten wanted to do. This possibly has something to do with the fact that genetically engineered products are protected by patents and can be regulated by intellectual property laws, whereas natural phages are not. This is what Harlingten is up to now. He is trying to apply phage therapy to multi-drug resistant Tuberculosis . And this is what Sulakvelidze is up to now, applying phage therapy to livestock.

Evergreen State College and the Rowland Institute at Harvard have pages about bacteriophage. Phage therapy may have some side effects, however. Some types of phage carry genes that can actually make bacteria pathogenic (briefly mentioned at end of page). This has been observed in E. Coli as a response to antibiotics.

already?

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:ARvQ1IJEyucJ: cruftbox.com/blog/archives/001031.html+GLAT&hl=eng oogle cache

Apparently, he doesn't realize that other branches of the state gov't feel differently, and are putting out bids to convert from Windows to Linux

Google logs it just fine. The page uses frames, which your browser does not display due to the google-added header. Your browser also does not display the noframes content, as it does support frames.

It's all there, your browser just doesn't display it.

Try This.

Again, the definition does not fit. I addressed that. Burrying waste is not a technological advance. The only advance that could come from that would be improved long-term storage containers, or maybe a faster fork lift to move them. I'm all for advances in power generation methods in nuclear reactors, use of fuel more efficiently, etc. But I am against sticking radioactive waste, that will be around for quite a while, in an area that shows geologic signs of a past water table which was higher than the yucca mountain site. That's not luddism, that's rationality. Nuclear power will be needed as a bridge to future technologies, no doubt about that...but climates change. Green belts shift. What happens if the greenbelt shifts south from oregon, idaho, and wyoming down towards nevada? It's happened before, and with the half life of waste to be stored in yucca mountain, it's fairly probable that it will happen again.

Here's a lesson in Soil Physics for you, to help you understand my skepticism:
Soil is a highly complex medium, with a net negative charge. Positive ions adhere to soil, negative ions break up soil (called flocculation, why sodic and saline soils suck for agriculture - the negative ions in the salt complexes destroy soil structure). Clay, part of a soil, tends to be quite negative - generally -90 to -20 mmol/kg. It has a pH dependent charge, gernally getting less negative as pH decreases, with a few clay types actually becoming positive as pH dips below 6. This is pretty rare. Right now engineers in yucca mountain are counting on the clay (Primarily smectite and clinoptilolite) to stop any potential nucleide leak. However, according to my chemistry text book, Plutonium-239 is one of the main waste isotopes from nuclear fission. The movement of nucleides through clay is still fairly unknown. Will it sorp? Will it floculate the clay? It only takes one hole in a clay layer to facilitate the free movement of water through it.

Lucky for us this this a pretty damn pressing question, and there are scientist working on it. Personally, I DO hope yucca mountain is a viable site, but I haven't found enough evidence to convince me of that yet.

As far as solar being prohibitively expensive - if it had as many government subsidies as nuclear power does, it most likely wouldn't. The cost per killowatt hour for nuclear fuel that i found is around 5 cents. The cost cited on the same site for solar power was 12 cents. I have to wonder if this cost is the actual or the subsidized cost. What subsidies, you ask? these . Googling for "Nuclear Subsidies" brought that up. I googled for Solar Subsidies and only found a page citing californian subsidies for home owners.

Now that we can be replaced with hamsters, why are the machines going to keep us around? I imagine they'll get a great ROI by ditching the human based Matrix in favor of a less complex one designed to simulate a glass cage with tubing in some 5th grader's bedroom.

Google cache here

Speaking of De Beers and failed relationships, you should mention this when talking about diamonds and the diamond invention.

Quick back of the envelope: (+ irresponsible google searches)

• Their guess is that 150kg of Deuterium would run a 1000 MW reactor for a year. (google cache, unfortunatly. Searched for "kg deuterium world energy")
• Ratio of deuterium to hydrogen: 0.015% = 1.5 10^-4
• Total world energy consumption: 403 quadrillion btu/year = ~14 TeraWatts
• Mass ratio of hydrogen in water molecule: ~1/9 So:

  (9 kg water/kg hydrogen)*(14e12 Watts)*(150 kg D/reactor) / ((1.5e-4 D/H)*(1e9 W/reactor)*(1000 kg water/m^3)) =

  1.2 10^8 cubic meters of water processed per year.

  Which translates to a mere .1 cubic kilometers of water needed to be processed per year. Of course, it's late at night, and *my* math might be wrong.. :-)

You don't capitalize 'moon' even when referring to Luna. "Americans might be walking on the moon again within 15 years, or 20 at the outside". -- From an MSNBC article.