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The Most Beautiful Experiments in Physics

TheMatt writes "In this month's 'Physics World', Robert P. Crease asks the question: what is the most beautiful experiment in physics? Some criteria quoted are that it must change what people thought, must not be too complicated or expensive, and, most importantly, be within the reach of students (which leaves out Stern-Gerlach or Michelson-Morley). He also has a page at BNL reprinting the article, with a place for suggestions from the community on their opinion." I'll nominate a simple one: Foucault's Pendulum. :)

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  1. Turing by FortKnox · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Turing and his studies of Automata is a shoe-in for anything Computer related.

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  2. Microwave Funstuffs by spudwiser · · Score: 1

    I still think the neatest and prettiest thing for the amount of work required is creating plasmoids/ball lightning in your microwave using a cork, a toothpick, 3 bottle caps, and a glass light globe. Oh, and you need a microwave, too. Then of course, there is always the classic of putting a CD in a microwave. Oooh, sparkly.

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    1. Re:Microwave Funstuffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to do this....please provide details or a link that explains this process.

    2. Re:Microwave Funstuffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure if there's a link, but here's how I would do it: First, buy an NSYNC CD. Then, take it out of it's packaging. Then, open the microwave and put the CD in. Then, close the microwave and turn it on!
      The only thing you really have to remember is a quote from the terrorist's handbook: "If you can see it, it can kill you!" :)
      Man, I sure hope this helps you out!

    3. Re:Microwave Funstuffs by ztkl40a · · Score: 1

      But how do you get the ball lightning?

    4. Re:Microwave Funstuffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/oa_plasmoid.htm

    5. Re:Microwave Funstuffs by ComaVN · · Score: 1

      If you can see it, it can kill you!

      Close your eyes, and you should be safe.

      Then again, that might kind of defeat the purpose of the experiment: see lots of colorful sparks.

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    6. Re:Microwave Funstuffs by spike+hay · · Score: 2

      It's simple to get ball lightning. This will usualy work. Just put a lighted match in your microwave. It will sometimes make nice plasma bursts of white.

      But the plasma gets VERY hot, so be sure to put a rock or somthing under it so it does not scorch the bottom of the microwave or anything.

      To keep your microwave safe, put a cup of water in the corner while it is in operation. If you have a cup of water in the corner, there should be little chance of damaging your microwave.

      Other experiments:

      Take a paper clip. Straighten it out and bend it so it is a U, with both ends bent in so they are fairly close. An arc should jump between the ends of the paperclip. This can melt glass.

      Stick a screwed-up cd in your microwave. It will look really cool after you nuke it.

      One last thing, the plasma emits mucho UV rays. You can get eystrain from doing this for too long. But these experiments just kick ass, however.

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  3. That's easy by Kappelmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

    I once saw an experiment where a small bag made out of thin plastic was subject to the forces of a small pocket of circular wind currents.

    Sometimes there's so much beauty in the world, I just can't take it.

    1. Re:That's easy by Misha · · Score: 3, Funny

      I must say, chemistry experiments have always been more fun. The begonias start talking to you.

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    2. Re:That's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm very fond of my pre-teen daughter, she's started to grow those perky little ones, and oh, how she gigles, and her friends...

    3. Re:That's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good God Sir! That was subtile, I wonder how many got that comment ;) Just like how it flutters...

    4. Re:That's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bernoulli principle. lifting a beachball with air currents and keeping it floating. really nice experiment.

    5. Re:That's easy by BurntHombre · · Score: 1

      You think it was that subtle? I mean, it was one of the biggest movies of, what, 2000? 1999?

  4. easy by selderrr · · Score: 0, Redundant

    sex !

    1. Re:easy by schmink182 · · Score: 1

      This comment is many things: stupid, ignorant, expected, and did I say stupid? But, it is not redundant.

  5. Best experiment. by screenbert · · Score: 0, Troll

    I would say it has to be this case mod...

    http://www.g-news.ch/articles/nhp200nc/

    It makes me have this gooey feeling inside.

  6. My vote goes to free energy... by socokid · · Score: 0


    Tom Bearden

    So much work is being done and validated with regard to free energy (ZPE - Zero Point Energy, and many others), with no acknowledgment, this may be a great test.

    1. Re:My vote goes to free energy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Young lady, in this house we OBEY the laws of thermodynamics!

  7. Got a good one... by Marx_Mrvelous · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like the idea of exploring colored lasers.. especially synched up to Pink Floyd music ;)

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    1. Re:Got a good one... by chompz · · Score: 0

      And copious amounts of vitamin THC.

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    2. Re:Got a good one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You misspelled LSD.

    3. Re:Got a good one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      SETI is kind of beautiful, in its own way.

      Enlisting the masses in a communal exploration instead of personal vanity web-logs....

    4. Re:Got a good one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      D00d no way, man! THC is the correct spelling holy shi

  8. Define students.... by A+Bugg · · Score: 1

    I am an undergrad and while we only talked about the Stern Gerlach, we actually performed the Michelson morley experiment last semester. Anyways I think one of the most beautiful experiments I have done is measuring the Zeeman effect on a mercury discharge tube in a magnetic field. I don't know I just thought that experiment while long, was fairly cool.
    A Bugg

    1. Re:Define students.... by A+Bugg · · Score: 1

      Damn I forgot about the Photoelectric effect, I am going to have to change my vote then. Playing with high intensity UV light is cool.
      A Bugg

    2. Re:Define students.... by hillbilly79 · · Score: 1

      I did both Michelson-Morley and Stern-Gerlach
      as a college junior. They took a little time and
      skill, but even our old upper-division lab
      had the equipment necessary. Kids (ugghh..read
      20 yr olds..damn, I'm getting old) nowdays
      can do oodles of stuff: holography, Meissner
      effect, etc. at any good sized university.

    3. Re:Define students.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you
      insist on only
      having a few
      words per line???

      It's hard to read and annoying.

  9. Most Beautiful Physics Experiment by Gunsmithy · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...comic book breasts. They break at least 3 laws of physics every day.

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  10. Here's an odd one... by FortKnox · · Score: 5, Informative

    What about Gallileo's hypothesis about the Feather and the Hammer that was proven on the (IIRC) Apollo 14 mission?

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    1. Re:Here's an odd one... by gatekeep · · Score: 1

      Did you notice the part that said "most importantly, be within the reach of students?"

      While I think it's cool that someone like Galileo had ideas that couldn't be proven for so long after he first thunk them up (heh, thunk), it's not really within the reach of most students to travel to the moon in order to conduct an experiment. Currently, it's not really within the reach of anyone seeing as how we're not going to the moon anymore.

    2. Re:Here's an odd one... by FortKnox · · Score: 1

      Sorry, it was my misintrepretation. I thought by "be within the reach of the students" meant the concepts surrounding it not to be too terribly complex.

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    3. Re:Here's an odd one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually you don't need to go to the moon to
      do that one. I did it in school using
      a vacuum bell jar. Any self-respecting
      school should have one of those; they're
      wonderful for all sorts of experiments.

    4. Re:Here's an odd one... by PGillingwater · · Score: 1

      It's a well known fact, however it's incorrect. There's no evidence that Gallileo used Pisa for dropping weights. It's more likely he used an inclined plane.

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    5. Re:Here's an odd one... by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yea, but just try to get the student to hold still long enough to do the experament while inside of one. Lazy students, allways banging on the side of the jar trying to get oiut rather then just getting down to learning.

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    6. Re:Here's an odd one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And students are going to do this how?

    7. Re:Here's an odd one... by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1

      Galleleo Prooved it on the Tower of Pizza.

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    8. Re:Here's an odd one... by j-turkey · · Score: 1

      LOL! They don't have to go to the moon to perform the exieriment...do it a a vacuum -- inside of a glass jar so they can observe the hammer (or whatever) and the feather both his the bottom at the same time.

      Most physics (even biology) departments have tall glass jars, with lids on them -- and pumps to create the vacuum.

      -Turkey

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    9. Re:Here's an odd one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the purpose of the gallieo test was to compare the different values of gravity and the last i checked creating a vacuum doesnt exactly alter gravity

    10. Re:Here's an odd one... by shrikel · · Score: 1

      Right. You don't need much equipment to test that one! Just a feather and a hammer. (And a lunar lander. And the rockets to get there. And a zillion dollars worth of other stuff.) ;)

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    11. Re:Here's an odd one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to go to the moon for this one, Because it's wind resistance that slows the feather down. You just need to be able to evacuate a changer, such as a tall bell jar, and have a mechanism to drop the two at the same time. All done within the evacuated chamber of course. This is really easy and cheap, and I've seen a feather drop as fast as a marble in class, in high school.

    12. Re:Here's an odd one... by 2names · · Score: 0

      Bumper Sticker: "Carpet cleaners do it in a vacuum."

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    13. Re:Here's an odd one... by j-turkey · · Score: 1

      Uhh...

      The exieriment needs to be done in a vacuum -- no -- it doesn't alter gravity (and that's the point). The purpose of the experiment is to prove that gravity alters all objects in the same manner...be it a hammer, a feather, or an elephant.

      Now, when there's air (or water, nitrogen, helium -- whatever) surrounding an object, it doesn't affect gravitational pull on the object, but it does affect how an object falls -- ie friction, drag, or in some cases, lift (which is why a hammer will hit the ground before a feather). The vacuum removes all the atmosphere, so the only thing affecting the two objects is gravity.


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    14. Re:Here's an odd one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes but the good part is that you can't hear them screaming, because of the vacuum.

      So it's three experiments in one:

      • All items fall at the same rate
      • Sound does not propagate in a vacuum
      • You need air to breathe
    15. Re:Here's an odd one... by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      "Carpet cleaners do it in a vacuum."

      Punwise, That doesn't parse.

    16. Re:Here's an odd one... by uberdave · · Score: 1

      Not to mention buoyancy. Air is a fluid, so all objects are "lighter" by the weight of the air they displace.

      Note: This is different than lift, which is the result of pressure differences caused by air moving at different speeds.

    17. Re:Here's an odd one... by Misanthropic+Lycanth · · Score: 1
      A hammer and a feather will not fall at the same rate on any planet... ever, even in the presence of a vacuum.

      Here's the really quick proof:

      F=ma


      A mass accelerates proportional to the force acting on it.

      F=GMm/r^2


      The force of gravity is proportional to the product of the masses, the gravitational constant and inversely proportional to the square of the distance.

      Equating the two we find that a=GM/r^2. The accelaration of the object is proportional only to the gravitational constant, the mass it's being attracted to, and inversely proportional to the square of the distance.

      Therefore, everything falls at the same speed. But this is wrong.

      This is where most people stop. The analysis must be repeated for both masses (m and M). If the feather is m1, the hammer is m2 and the earth is M, the hammer and the feather both fall at GM/r^2. But the earth accelerates toward the hammer at Gm2/r^2 and it accelerates toward the feather at Gm1/r^2. Since m1 m2, the earth accelerates faster toward the hammer. Instantaneously, accelarations sum, so, in the rest frame of the earth, the hammer accelerates at G(M+m2)/r^2 and the feather at G(M+m1)/r^2.

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  11. Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by Cally · · Score: 5, Informative

    My vote (without reading other comments) goes to Arthur Eddington's validation of Einstein's relativity by demonstrating that the sun's gravity bent the light from nearby stars. But how do you see stars when they're right next to the sun? Good lateral thinking, very ingenious...

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    1. Re:Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by mcfiddish · · Score: 2

      Was it Einstein who said "all the experiments in the world can't prove me right, but just one can prove me wrong?"

    2. Re:Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by LMCBoy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes it was.

      BTW, Newtonian gravity also predicts that light will bend as it passes near a large mass (if you naively assume that a photon feels the force of gravity, despite the fact that it has no mass).

      The difference is that the size of the deflection according to GR is larger by a factor of 2 than the Newtonian prediction, which is what Eddington confirmed.

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    3. Re:Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      which is what Eddington confirmed.

      And just barely at that. Did you ever see his raw results? Pretty iffy, it was. Good thing for Albert that other experimental confirmation has developed since then.

    4. Re:Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by Peaker · · Score: 2

      Actually, later reviews of that experiement showed that the experiment's error range was larger than the result itself, and was correct by sheer luck. Later a rerun of the experiement was done to prove it correct, but the original experiement could just as well have suggested the other result.

    5. Re:Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by lanclos · · Score: 1

      (if you naively assume that a photon feels the force of gravity, despite the fact that it has no mass)

      Photons have energy; gravity acts on energy just as well as it acts on mass. Einstein brought us that formula as well.

      Likewise, energy exerts a gravitational force, just like mass. A famous example of this is the precession of Mercury's orbit, caused by the corona of the sun.

    6. Re:Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by RapaNui · · Score: 1

      Mmm..

      Here is a link to an interesting article on the fine-structure constant, and Sir Arthur's related exploits (5th para on).

    7. Re:Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by LMCBoy · · Score: 2

      Photons have energy; gravity acts on energy just as well as it acts on mass. Einstein brought us that formula as well.

      Right, the "naively" applies to the Newtonian thinker, not the GR thinker. IOW, you shouldn't use relativistic concepts (mass-energy equivalence) in deriving the Newtonian prediction for the deflection of a photon passing near the Sun.

      Likewise, energy exerts a gravitational force, just like mass. A famous example of this is the precession of Mercury's orbit, caused by the corona of the sun.

      No, the famous precession of Mercury's orbit has nothing to do with the Sun's corona. Rather, it is exactly analogous to the deflection of starlight near the Sun: it is a simple manifestation of the difference between Newtonian and Relativistic gravitation. Both cases rely on the relatively deep potential well near the Sun to exaggerate the differences between the two theories. Under such extreme gravitational circumstances, Newtonian gravity deviates from reality. Relativity does not.

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    8. Re:Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by lamontg · · Score: 2

      Actually the Eddington experimental results weren't sufficiently accurate to prove GR was correct. He got the right result but his experimental error was too large for it to be conclusive

  12. The most beautiful experiment... by g0rath · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...is actually getting laid while in Graduate school?

    1. Re:The most beautiful experiment... by Gunsmithy · · Score: 1

      If you call that "experimenting" perhaps you have just a little bit of something you want to tell your parents. Come out of the closet, g0rath.

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  13. Stern-Gerlach by Hanul · · Score: 1

    What's wrong with the Stern-Gerlach experiment? It was done in 1922 with equipment that isn't very expensive today. I've done both the Stern-Gerlach and the Michelson-Morley experiment at the university and the equipment looked like it was the original. I think both can be easily reconstructed in school (and I think every university's physics department has it somewhere in the lab).

  14. In 15,000 BC... by DMCA · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    OOG the Caveman demonstrated that, although they look similar, granite deposits are much harder than dried mammoth droppings. This landmark experiment ushered in a new age in stone technology.

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  15. The Cavendish Experiment by mcfiddish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Henry Cavendish did an experiment to measure the gravitational constant G. He used a torsional pendulum with two small lead weights to measure the gravitational attraction of two large lead weights nearby. I did this experiment as an undergrad and got a pretty good value for G (big error bars though). It's amazing that back in the 1700s he could measure the gravitational force due to a lead ball.

    I just did a google search on "Cavendish experiment" and found this. Evidently a geologist named John Michell deserves some credit too.

    1. Re:The Cavendish Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, how can you be sure that you only get gravity acting? Maybe electrical charges in the lead balls slightly separate and you get positive charges in the small weights close to negative charges in the large weights causing attraction.

  16. Rotational Kinematics by ejaw5 · · Score: 0

    How about the recent experiment that determined the maximum RPMs a compact disc can handle? That involved angular momentum and velocity, and centripital forces.

    Sure, it may not be 'classical physics' but it does involve our everyday lives (at least in some way). IMHO, isn't the best experiments the ones everyone can understand and benefit from? Sure there's many experiments done on Universal Gravity, but determining a mass of a moon orbiting Jupiter isn't as useful as the mechanics aspects of physics.

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  17. Apple by selderrr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    being a MacOSX fanatic, I'd like to note the hostorical importance and easy of reproduction of throwing Apple's on someone's head...

    And blindfolded, you can add highscores !

    1. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which, of course, brings to mind the age-old saying:

      The best way to accelerate a Mac is at 9.8m/s^2.

  18. I nominate nuclear explosion by October_30th · · Score: 3, Insightful
    which leaves out Stern-Gerlach or Michelson-Morley

    Uh, what's the target group? I teach general freshman physics at my university and discuss both SG and MM experiments in detail.

    Anyway, I nominate the first nuclear explosion as the greatest ever experiment. Until a hole is successfully opened in the spacetime, splitting the atom is the greatest scientific achievement ever.

    There is, in fact, a fabulous book on this subject. What makes it such a great book is that it doesn't depict the making of the atomic so much as a rigorous scientific project, but rather as a social, political, random and very much a human achievement.

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    1. Re:I nominate nuclear explosion by October_30th · · Score: 0
      and, most importantly, be within the reach of students

      Ok, yeah, right.

      As a non-native English speaker I obviously misinterpreted that sentence. "Within the reach of students" can mean either theoretically or experimentally. ;-)

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    2. Re:I nominate nuclear explosion by ScuzzMonkey · · Score: 2

      I'll second your recommendation of that book--I bought it on vacation at White Sands and spent most of the rest of the trip completely absorbed in it. Fascinating account of the science and the social interaction that lead up to Trinity.

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    3. Re:I nominate nuclear explosion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You claim to be a Physicist. What makes you think that a hole can be opened in the "spacetime" in the first place? Are you sure there is a "spacetime" at all?

    4. Re:I nominate nuclear explosion by banuaba · · Score: 2

      Richard Rhodes certianly deserved the pulitzer he recieved for that book. His follow-up, Dark Sun (the making of the H-bomb) was also pretty good, but not as compelling of a story from the human side of things. Another excellent account of the human side of the process is Genius, by James Glick, which is about Dick Feynman.

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    5. Re:I nominate nuclear explosion by October_30th · · Score: 1
      I don't claim to be a physicist. I am a physicist.

      What makes you think that a hole can be opened in the "spacetime" in the first place?

      I hope so. I am not an expert in general relativity and, in fact, I would appreciate if such an expert would correct me if I am wrong with this.

      Are you sure there is a "spacetime" at all?

      Well, unless all the experimental evidence for the relativistic phenomena is totally wrong, I would say that the spacetime is a very strong hypothesis.

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    6. Re:I nominate nuclear explosion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first nuclear explosion was by no means the first experiment involving (knowingly) "splitting the atom".

      A nuclear reactor came before it.

    7. Re:I nominate nuclear explosion by October_30th · · Score: 1
      Indeed. The criticality of the first pile (reactor) was obtained incrementally.

      Nevertheless, I would still nominate the explosion over the reactor. It has the proper flair of a breakthrough physics experiment.

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    8. Re:I nominate nuclear explosion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Notice a socialist pig didn't make the bomb first. You are a socialist pig.

    9. Re:I nominate nuclear explosion by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > Anyway, I nominate the first nuclear explosion as the greatest ever experiment. Until a hole is successfully opened in the spacetime, splitting the atom is the greatest scientific achievement ever.

      I'd agree - but we're going for "most beautiful". While I'd agree that Trinity has its own sort of beauty, I'd say it falls down on two points:

      > > must not be too complicated or expensive, and, most importantly, be within the reach of students

      Even if it's within the reach of your students, it's disqualified on the grounds that it's (a) very complicated, and (b) even more expensive. Not just to build it, but to clean up after it. Building a new city to house the rebuilt university to house the rebuilt lab can get pricy, y'know.

      On the other hand, I suppose there are physics "students" working on this problem in Baghdad at the moment, and I happen to think that Baghdad is in rather desperate need of, uh, "urban renewal"... it'd look way cool on CNN if one of those were to go off in a Baghdad basement, remind the rest of the world that Some Things Are Not To Be Fucked With By People Who Don't Know What They're Doing, and simultaneously qualify as the Greatest Darwin Award in human history. I could live with that. ('Specially as I'm not downwind :)

      > until a hole is successfully opened in the spacetime, splitting the atom is the greatest scientific achievement ever.

      ...well, greatest Darwin Award until then, at any rate :) Schluuuuuuuuuuur*poof*

      So I'll one-up your fission experiment with a (Farnsworth Fusor. It's relatively safe to build, fuses hydrogen, emits detectable neutrons to confirm that you've got real, honest-to-God fusion, and looks way cool.

      (Don't expect to get breakeven with it - it's orders of magnitude too inefficient. It's just... well... kinda neat.)

      For extra safety or regulatory compliance, your students can build and run it with H2 instead of deuterium and it'll look just as cool without any emissions at all. (And it'll be just about as far from breaking even either way ;-)

      In short, the Farnsworth Fusor is rather like his other big invention (a little thing called "television", which you may have heard of) -- both inventions consume more energy than they produce, neither serves any useful function, and both look pretty cool anyway :)

  19. It's not a cookie mum it's a Newton by T-BoneMcG · · Score: 1

    Apple strikes head.

    Way to express yourself mother nature, but it didn't piss him off nearly as far as you hypothesized.

    1. Re:It's not a cookie mum it's a Newton by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 2, Interesting
      This story is often cited, and usually misquoted. I'll correct the usual misquotations here...

      Sir Issac was not "sitting" under a tree; in fact, he was lying down, and he was sound asleep.

      It wasn't just any apple which happened to fall onto him; it was a rather large apple, which fell because it had gone thoroughly rotten to the core.

      And Newton did not say "I've discovered Gravity", but rather just commented "the world sucks."

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  20. Beautiful Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A gravity experiment where you drop a watermelon from 10 stories up. Now that's a beautiful experiment!

  21. double slit by e4liberty · · Score: 1, Informative

    wave particle duality

    1. Re:double slit by oO0OoO0Oo · · Score: 1

      Got my vote.

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  22. Nothing new there by snarkh · · Score: 1
    What about Gallileo's hypothesis about the Feather and the Hammer that was proven on the (IIRC) Apollo 14 mission?

    Galileo proved it himself by dropping balls of different weights from the tower in Piza.

    Nice demonstration but nothing new or unexpected there, it had been known for more than 200 years.

    1. Re:Nothing new there by FortKnox · · Score: 1

      Nice demonstration but nothing new or unexpected there, it had been known for more than 200 years

      Although I just scanned the article, I didn't see a time limit. At the time, it changed the way we think about physics and is one of major basis of physics.

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    2. Re:Nothing new there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Galileo proved it himself by dropping balls of different weights from the tower in Piza.


      No, no, no! Galileo did _not_ try it himself; if he had, he would have found that the balls landed at different times due to the drag force! Galileo merely suggested that his hypothesis could be tested by dropping balls from the tower in Pisa.

    3. Re:Nothing new there by Latent+IT · · Score: 1

      Maybe he didn't try it himself, but you should get aquainted with density. Make two balls, one of lead, and one of wood, of equal size. Drop. *whap* at the same time. =)

    4. Re:Nothing new there by snarkh · · Score: 1
      Sure, the Galileo's experiment itself was great. My point is that Apollo's experiment was nothing bud a demonstration of a well-known principle.

      They did not prove anything. Galileo did.

    5. Re:Nothing new there by Usquebaugh · · Score: 2

      But it would have been cool if they hadn't performed as expected. 'Uh Houston we have a problem, are you sure we're coming home?'

  23. The Two Slit Experiment by Nomad7674 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...has to be a front-runner here. Something as simple as a piece of paper and a light source showed that classical mechanics was not enough to explain our universe and that quantum mechanics had to be invented. No computers needed, no complex aparratus, and no genius needed to explain it (today).

    Course, I am a physics freak. The biology, computer science, chemistry, etc. freaks may have their own opinions! ;-)

    1. Re:The Two Slit Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone mod this through the roof please.

      You too can prove light is a particle and a wave armed with nothing more than a light bulb, a piece of cardboard and an Exacto knife.

      This had to be one of the defining experiments in the development of quantum mechanics.

    2. Re:The Two Slit Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Course, I am a physics freak. The biology, computer science, chemistry, etc. freaks may have their own opinions!

      The subject being PHYSICS experiments, I' dsay those don't matter.

    3. Re:The Two Slit Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And being able to see exactly what virtual particles are doing rules.

    4. Re:The Two Slit Experiment by bishnu · · Score: 1

      I'm going to throw my vote in behind this as well, simply because *anyone* can perform it.

    5. Re:The Two Slit Experiment by bmajik · · Score: 2

      Two Slit Experiment ?

      Anyone besides me think this was a pr0n movie they'd seen on Gnucleus ? :)

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    6. Re:The Two Slit Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess... Something to do with Janet Reno and Hillary Clinton?

    7. Re:The Two Slit Experiment by pfalstad · · Score: 1

      This had nothing to do with quantum mechanics. Young's double slit experiment was done way back in 1800 and classical electrodynamics explains it just fine. All you need is the wave theory of light.

      In 1961, a similar two-slit experiment was done with electrons, with similar results; that's what you might be thinking of. But it was a more complicated experiment because the wavelength of electrons is so small. (Anyway, diffraction of electrons had been done years before that using a crystal.)

      The most important experiments establishing the need for quantum mechanics were the photoelectric effect and Plack's analysis of blackbody radiation.

    8. Re:The Two Slit Experiment by bloggins02 · · Score: 1

      I tried to replicate the two slit experience once.

      I got slapped from both sides.

    9. Re:The Two Slit Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i did the one slit trick with your mother. worked like a charm!

    10. Re:The Two Slit Experiment by KingPrad · · Score: 1

      Actually this works well only with a coherent light source such as a laser. any more than a few different wavelengths and the fringes blur.

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  24. Two slit by PD · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The two slit experiments are the most beautiful. With a simple apparatus it can be shown that light is a wave. With the same apparatus, it can be shown tha light is a particle. And that's not all folks...

    The experiment reveals that there's something very very weird happening with very small particles. It could be another universe, or maybe an infinite number of universes. Or maybe just one really weird one. Time itself doesn't seem to have any meaning - things happen for no reason at all, uncaused.

    These experiments even seem to reveal something about ourselves. Philosophers and cranks are attracted to the results like moths, offering their own explanations for what is happening, ranging from the hand of god to the basis of intelligence.

    The strangeness revealed by the two slit experiment could also form the basis of future computers, where all calculations happen at the same time, but you can't look at the result without destroying the entire computer.

    If that whole mess isn't beautiful, I don't know what is.

    1. Re:Two slit by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      With the same apparatus, it can be shown tha light is a particle.

      Umm, you mean a quantized wave. To call light a particle is to seriously stretch the definition of particle.

    2. Re:Two slit by Frank+Grimes · · Score: 1

      Let's get this strait.

      Photons are particles that propagate as waves.

      Another way to put it: all particles propagate as waves and interact as discrete particles.

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    3. Re:Two slit by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      Photons are particles that propagate as waves.

      Particles have a fixed position which can be determined within an error of the planck length. A single photon can exist in multiple locations simultaneously. If you want to call a photon a particle, you're seriously stretching your definition of particle.

    4. Re:Two slit by kirkjobsluder · · Score: 1

      I've always been told that it depends on the theory you are using. The particle physicists I know who use Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) use the term "particle" to describe how quantitized ammounts of light interact with particles at specific locations in space and time. On the other hand, at other scales it makes more sense to talk about light as a wave to explain why radio antennas work through resonance.

      However, the property of being in two places at one time is not limited to photons. Electrons can also exist in multiple places at once which is one of the weird phenomena that make Tunneling Electron Microscopes and semiconductors work.

    5. Re:Two slit by joelgrimes · · Score: 1

      here's a good demo of it.

    6. Re:Two slit by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      Electrons can also exist in multiple places at once which is one of the weird phenomena that make Tunneling Electron Microscopes and semiconductors work.

      Yes, electrons can exist in multiple places at once, but that is limited to very short distances - the planck length. Using a beam splitter you can show that the same photon exists in two positions miles apart from each other simultaneously. This is actually done in the Laser Interferometer Gravity Wave Ovservatory. Let's see you do that with electrons, and I'll concede that they are particles in the same sense.

      Tunneling electron microscopes have more to do with uncertainty of energy than uncertainty of position. Yes, electrons can temporarily violate conservation of mass-energy, but this does not show that they exist in multiple places simultaneously.

    7. Re:Two slit by vvikram · · Score: 1


      Yes, the two slit experiment is at the heart of physics be it particle theory or wave theory.

      Quoting from Feynman :

      "We choose to examine a phenomenon which is impossible, absolutely impossible to explain in any classical way, and which has in it the heart of quantum mechanics. In reality, it contains the only mystery.(Feynman, R., et.al.; 1963; Lectures on Physics, Vol. I, p. 37-2)."

      Vikram

    8. Re:Two slit by michael_cain · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not sure that it's within reach of the casual experimenter, but many years ago the double-slit-with-electrons experimental results caused me to change my major from physics on the grounds of "If this is the way the universe works, I don't want to know any more."

    9. Re:Two slit by zeus_tfc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Particles have a fixed position which can be determined within an error of the planck length. A single photon can exist in multiple locations simultaneously. If you want to call a photon a particle, you're seriously stretching your definition of particle.

      A photon can act as either a particle or a wave, depending on how it is observed. I just read an article on this, so it is fresh in my mind.

      The two slit experiment involves two streams of photons which can be individually measured each aimed at a wall. A blocking surface with two slits is places between the emitters and the wall.
      If the photon detectors are on the far side of the blocking surface, a "ripple" pattern shows up on the wall, demonstrating the interference patterns of the waves.
      If the detectors are places at the photon sources, detecting each photon as it is emitted, no interference pattern emerges, only two bright dots where the stream hits. This shows the particle nature of photons. The results depend on how the experiment is observed.

      The really weird thing about the experiment is that it happens independant of time. Experiments have shown that the result(wave form or particle stream) can occur BEFORE the measurements occur. That how the measurement is taken can alter the past, or something to that effect. Pick up the latest copy of Discover mag, and there's an article.

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    10. Re:Two slit by Krakken · · Score: 1

      Online java two slit experiment:

      http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/schroedinge r/ two-slit2.html

    11. Re:Two slit by BabyDave · · Score: 1
      • When you perform the double slit experiment with a beam of electrons, you get virtually identical results to performing it with a laser. If you replace the photon detector with an electron detector, the results for this will also be the same.
      • Electron diffraction is very commonly used to study crystal structures, and to estimate the size of the nuclei of atoms. Diffraction is a wavelike effect.
      In quantum mechanics, everything can be represented by a wavefunction, but this doesn't mean that everything is a wave. Similarly, and everything has quantised energy, momentum, etc, but this doesn't mean that everything is a particle. Photons, electrons, muons etc behave like particles under some circumstances, and waves in other situations.

      It isn't possible to definitively say photons are waves, electrons are particles, because as far as we can tell, they are neither. They're strange quantum objects that obey certain postulates defined in terms of probabilities.

    12. Re:Two slit by BabyDave · · Score: 1
      Yes, electrons can exist in multiple places at once, but that is limited to very short distances - the planck length.
      As I've said somewhere else, you can do diffraction experiments using electron beams. The distances involved there are 10^25 times the Planck length. (Atoms are ~10^-10m apart, the Planck length is 1.6*10^-35m)

      Using a beam splitter you can show that the same photon exists in two positions miles apart from each other simultaneously. This is actually done in the Laser Interferometer Gravity Wave Observatory.
      I'd imagine that the effects of photons interfering with themselves are negligible compared to the overall interference of the two beams, composed of millions of (coherent) photons.
      Let's see you do that with electrons, and I'll concede that they are particles in the same sense.
      As far as I can see, the main problem with doing this is that electrons are far more likely to interact with the intervening matter. If it were possible to create a perfect vacuum, I see no reason why this couldn't be done with electrons (although if there is a good reason, I'd love to hear it)

      Disclaimer: IANA Experimental Physicist, and I haven't studied Quantum Electrodynamics (yet - next year), which is needed to deal with this sort of thing more exactly.

    13. Re:Two slit by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      Double-slit and electron diffraction experiments are nice to explain the uncertainty principle as it applies to particles, but the kicker for photons is the interferometer experiment. If you examine that experiment, there is no other explanation than that each individual photon travels down both paths simultaneously. That has never been done for electrons, protons, etc.

    14. Re:Two slit by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      As I've said somewhere else, you can do diffraction experiments using electron beams. The distances involved there are 10^25 times the Planck length.

      I'm aware of diffraction experiments, but that only shows uncertainty. Interferometer experiments show something much different.

      I'd imagine that the effects of photons interfering with themselves are negligible compared to the overall interference of the two beams, composed of millions of (coherent) photons.

      That part is just plain false. Photons from different beams do not interfere. Photons only create interference patterns with themselves. This is a key in holography, you must split a single beam into two paths, it is not sufficient to use two beams.

      As far as I can see, the main problem with doing this is that electrons are far more likely to interact with the intervening matter. If it were possible to create a perfect vacuum, I see no reason why this couldn't be done with electrons (although if there is a good reason, I'd love to hear it)

      I don't think it would work. But I'm perfectly willing to accept that it might. If it did it would completely turn the concept of matter on its head. And it would probably make the design of quantum computers much simpler.

    15. Re:Two slit by Asprin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For those of you who never got more than a semester's worth of Quantum Mechanics, you get used to the whole wave-particle duality thing after a while and it stops being weird. Then you start wondering why people seem to get caught up in it.

      Here's how you want to think about it:

      1) Physically, we don't really understand the fundamental nature of photons (light). That is, we have no idea what they really are...

      * BUT *

      2) When you do an experiment that measures the wave properties of light, light acts like a wave.

      AND

      3) When you do an experiment that measures the particle properties of light, it acts like a particle.

      EITHER WAY,

      4) You cannot simultaneously measure the wave and particle properties of light. Measuring one destroys all information about the other.

      OH, AND BY THE WAY...

      5) The wave-particle duality of 1 - 4 goes for ALL matter, including 1972 Chevy Vegas.

      You can calculate the wavelength of a 1972 Chevy Vega (automobile) using DeBroglie's hypothesis. The problem is that shooting cars at a wall with enough momentum to generate a diffraction pattern would require *immensely* unpractical amounts of energy (especially when you factor in the effect of relativity on the mass of the car.) Still, the principle has born out in experiment, as other larger traditional subatomic particles (neutrons, for example) have been shown to generate diffraction patterns when accelerated to high enough energies through appropriately sized diffraction gratings.

      The reason we don't notice this kind of duality in real life is because Planck's contstant (a fundamental constant of nature that acts like a scaling factor for quantum phenomena) is very small in size compared to the scale of our normal macroscopic world. Like most of the bizarre stuff covered in modern physics, it's always there but the effect is muted on the scale you and I are able to normally perceive. You have to get to small sizes or large energies to have enough probability of observing quantum effects to make it worth your while.

      P.S. Never play D&D with Physics majors - our DM never gave us wish spells because he knew we'd do stuff like changing fundamental constants of nature - i.e. resetting Planck's constant to 1 - high enough so we could quantum-tunnel through walls and stuff.

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    16. Re:Two slit by kirkjobsluder · · Score: 1
      Yes, electrons can exist in multiple places at once, but that is limited to very short distances - the planck length. Using a beam splitter you can show that the same photon exists in two positions miles apart from each other simultaneously. This is actually done in the Laser Interferometer Gravity Wave Ovservatory. Let's see you do that with electrons, and I'll concede that they are particles in the same sense.

      Well again. The use of the term "particle" to describe photons is well entrenched among physicists in order to describe how light interacts with other particles. Saying that a photon is a particle (and that electrons are particles) is a useful abstraction for some kinds of calculations.

      QED, as we shall call it, is generally considered to be synonymous with the interaction of electrons and "photons", and the names most commonly associated with the theory are Paul Dirac and Richard Feynman (see the first two references below) who treated both entities, quite unambiguously, as elementary particles. QED achieved its most notable success in the period 1947-49, when the Dirac equation was modified to include the interaction of electrons with the vacuum electromagnetic field, thereby explaining, with enormous accuracy, some small effects in the spectrum of atomic hydrogen (Lamb shift) and in the electron's magnetic moment. This was first achieved by Julian Schwinger, who, building on Victor Weisskopf's ideas developed in the 1930s, described the electronic current by means of another field, so that the electron was no longer a point, but an extended object with a diameter of the order of a few picometers (the Compton wavelength). Schwinger's achievement was largely hidden from public view, though, jointly with Feynman and Tomonaga, he was awarded the Nobel Prize for it. Feynman's contribution was to show that Schwinger's very formidable calculations could be "simplified" by reverting to a pointlike description of both electrons and photons.... http://www.keyinnov.demon.co.uk/qed.htm

      However, electrons and photons are both waves in the same sense with the primary difference that electron waves are about the size of an atom while photon waves can be many miles in length. In fact, the principle that electrons are also waves is central to the operation of both electron microscopes and our current explanations of molecular structure. (For example, it explains why graphite is planar while diamond is tetrahedral.) In fact, even protons and alpha particles have wave properties which is central to the operation of nuclear power plants.

      But I'll even one-up you one. Not only can electrons exist muiltiple places simultaneously, but multiple larger particles can occupy the same space in a Bose-Einstein condensate. But here is a pdf article reporting the quantum superposition of an electron at a distance comparible to that of microcomputer transistor (0.4 micrometres). Also the NIST acheived superposition of atoms simultaneously in two locations at a scale of around 10 atomic diamters. As a result, particle/waves of light and particle/waves of matter don't look so different after all.

    17. Re:Two slit by kirkjobsluder · · Score: 1
      I don't think it would work. But I'm perfectly willing to accept that it might. If it did it would completely turn the concept of matter on its head. And it would probably make the design of quantum computers much simpler.

      The amazing thing is that this is old news in terms of theory and not-so-old news in terms of experiment. The NIST research showing superposition of complete atoms was PUBLISHED in 2000 and the theory behind superposition of both electrons and atoms was published in the 1930s. Einstein won the Nobel for treating photons as particles before my parents were born and Feynman took home a Nobel for describing photons as particles before I was born. From what I can tell, QED is pretty much up there with Newton's Second Law and general relativity in terms of a done deal.

    18. Re:Two slit by Captn+Pepe · · Score: 2

      Done carefully, there is no other explanation for the two-slit experiment. If you send electrons one at a time at a double slit, you will still see an interference pattern, because the electron is interfering with itself. Place an electron detector in the path before the slits, and you instead see two spots where the electrons land. This is a pretty standard seocnd- or third-year physics lab experiment.

      You can do this with more massive objects, too. From the point of view of an alpha particle, a heavy nucleus is a large, opaque disk. Firing alphas one by one at a thin target of heavy nuclei also gets you a diffraction pattern. Why? Because the alpha is interfering with itself in going around the nucleus it interacted with -- in effect, it went around both sides of the nucleus.

      In more recent news, it turns out that you can do this with Bose condensates, too. Which means you are sending an entire atom through multiple paths simultaneously.

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    19. Re:Two slit by alext · · Score: 2

      As a matter of interest, is it possible to get your own light source that can emit individual photons? Presumably you need this to demonstrate quantum effects at home?

    20. Re:Two slit by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      Place an electron detector in the path before the slits, and you instead see two spots where the electrons land.

      That's because the electron detector interacts with the electron it's detecting. You can't detect an electron without interacting with it. Likewise with photons there are observations of quantum entanglement, but the "halves" of the photon can be separated at such distances that the propagation of the entanglement exceeds the speed of light. As far as I know this has never been observed with electrons. It's an open question whether or not it would work. My bet is that it would not.

    21. Re:Two slit by PD · · Score: 2

      The diffraction pattern is visible with a regular light source. I am guessing that a very dim regular light source could also be combined with a very insensitive emulsion on the screen to show a speckled pattern showing quanta.

    22. Re:Two slit by zCyl · · Score: 2

      but you can't look at the result without destroying the entire computer.

      It's the computation that is destroyed when an intermediate step is looked at, the computer is never destroyed short of applying a large hammer. Computations are done on a superposition of possible values. If one of the quantum bits (qubits) interacts with the outside world, such as by being observed, then the qubit will lose its superposition of values by collapsing into a single value. At that point, the computation is no longer quantum in nature, because by collapsing it has become like a classical calculation on a single value.

      This is actually related to the most "beautiful" aspect of the two-slit experiment, which is the addition of a detector to one of the two slits. If the photon goes through the slit with the detector, then the detector clicks, and if it goes through the other slit, the detector doesn't click. Therefore, by the click or lack of click, we can know which slit the photon has gone through. Because information has escaped the system by our knowing which slit the photon goes through, the system is then no longer in a superposition of going through both slits, and the screen no longer shows the bright spots and dark spots of the interference pattern. If we turn the detector off so that we no longer know which slit it went through, then the interference pattern reappears.

      This is perhaps one of the most profound experimental results of the entire last century, simply for the philosophical implications about the central role played by information, or in the Copenhagen interpretation, by the observer.

    23. Re:Two slit by gotan · · Score: 2

      P.S. Never play D&D with Physics majors - our DM never gave us wish spells because he knew we'd do stuff like changing fundamental constants of nature - i.e. resetting Planck's constant to 1 - high enough so we could quantum-tunnel through walls and stuff.

      If you change the Planck constant to 1 then walls are not your main concern anymore. There probably aren't any walls left after a very short time (sorry, couldn't resist).

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    24. Re:Two slit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other thing to consider is that it makes otherwise ordinary spells, like "Light" utterly useless because you have to avoid being hit (and mercilessly wounded) by the individual photons.

    25. Re:Two slit by SilverSun · · Score: 1

      It has been done in many ways. If you use QED you are solving path integrals. i.e. integrating over all possible ways from initial state to final state. This takes interference into account. Using two paths in a spectrometer is nocthing else, just a little more 'show-effect'.

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    26. Re:Two slit by glebfrank · · Score: 2

      P.S. Never play D&D with Physics majors - our DM never gave us wish spells because he knew we'd do stuff like changing fundamental constants of nature - i.e. resetting Planck's constant to 1 - high enough so we could quantum-tunnel through walls and stuff.

      That's horrible role-playing, you know. Your D&D spellcaster isn't supposed to know anything about Planck's constant. Not to mention that our laws of physics don't necessarily apply in D&D world.

    27. Re:Two slit by LS · · Score: 2

      I would have to fully agree that this is the most beautiful experiment as defined. For those of you who are clueless about the two slit experiment, here are a couple of sites that describe it. They both have pretty pictures too:

      http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/74 23 / pd.html

      http://rugth30.phys.rug.nl/quantummechanics/diff in t.htm

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    28. Re:Two slit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      The original poster is right. NOTHING can act precisely as a particle, not even light, or for instance an electron. As an electron is a fundamental "particle" it has no diameter. That's right, none. The radius of an electron is zero, it's NOT a particle, it's a quantized wave. Any attempt to measure the radius of an electron (or any other elementary particle) has thus far failed.

      The same thing applies to a photon. A photon has no diameter, it can't be precisely a particle because of this.

      Now neither of these two little facts are to indicate that electrons or photons can be dealt with with infinite accuracy, not true. They are smeared over space by their wave natures, so to a certain extent they don't ever have a true position either, and at some length scale that starts to matter.

      In short, please don't dispute basic physics principles on the basis of a magazine article unless you REALLY understand physics.

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  25. Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by muerte24 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The Milikan Oil Drop Experiment is one of the most simple measurements of a fundamental constant.

    In this experiment, tiny drops of oil are suspended in mid-air between two charged plates by the interaction of a discrete electric charge on the oil drop.

    You use a microscope to measure the speed of the drop with no charge on the plates, then adjust the charge on the plates to hold the drop in place. In other words, the force of gravity is cancelled by the electrostatic force.

    If the drops are small enough, you can notice discrete steps in the data when you plot the variables. The beauty is in its simplicity: Using some oil, two pieces of metal and microscope, you can determing the charge of a single electron.

    It doesn't get much prettier than that.

    Muerte

    1. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by qedigital · · Score: 2

      Sure the experiment's neat but it's easy to go insane trying to concentrate on a single point (oil droplet) as it drifts around in the electric field. 6 hours of that convinced me that it is most likely Millikan's grad students we have to thanks for the thousands of data points needed for the accurate measurement of elementary charge.

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    2. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said:The beauty is in its simplicity: Using some oil, two pieces of metal and microscope, you can determing the charge of a single electron.

      Ummm...according to you I don't need a charge...what universe are you from?

    3. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by huie · · Score: 1

      And of course, the problem with doing that experiment was the even for Millikan's it was only selectively filtered data points that got published.

      See this or this.

      So there you go, an interesting experiment and insight into fraud when the experimenter knew what the results were supposed to be.

    4. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by Fizyx · · Score: 1

      This was an important part of my undergrad physics degree. We repeated a lot of fundamental experiments and so got to work out a lot of constants for ourselves: after using Milliken to calculate 'e', we used Helmholtz coils to determine e/m, and thereby determine the mass of an electron.

      After determining that the electron was a particle (above), we 'proved' that it was a wave (two-slit experiment inside a CRT).

      It was great, a real mind-fuck.

    5. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by blazin · · Score: 2

      I admit that I didn't read the first article, but I did read the second, which apparently you didn't even do yourself. The second article explains why data was omitted from the published results and gives reasons as to why this was a tribute to Millikan's research and experiment technique and not fraud at all.

      If you'd bothered to read your own link, it explains that Millikan threw out basically all of the first 68 experiments, and as he continued to do the experiment threw out less and less as he presumably got better at setting up the apparatus. He seemed to know when something wasn't quite right, ie, the temperature of the room fluctuating, etc, and would throw out those results. He also double-checked through two methods of calculating v and threw out ones which didn't compute.

      He threw out good results as well as bad. If you were doing a titration and someone came in the room and took a leak in the beaker (and you knew about it), I'd hope you'd throw out the results of that one as well.

    6. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by David+Gould · · Score: 2


      6 hours of that convinced me that it is most likely Millikan's grad students we have to thanks for the thousands of data points needed for the accurate measurement of elementary charge.

      Not knowing enough about the subject to want to jump into the actual debate, I just want to say that the way you describe it reminded me of this guy's paper on the "Electron Band Structure In Germanium". See Figure 1.

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    7. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by Tom7 · · Score: 1

      > He threw out good results as well as bad. If you were doing a titration and someone came
      > in the room and took a leak in the beaker (and you knew about it), I'd hope you'd throw
      > out the results of that one as well.

      Yeah, it used to really piss off my chemistry teacher when I used to do that.

    8. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



      I did this experiment, and it sucked. Oh yes, try to keep people awake when you're in a dark room watching a dot on the screen rise and fall.

    9. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by blazin · · Score: 2

      You mean throw out the results, or piss in the titration beaker?

    10. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by Tom7 · · Score: 1

      Piss in the titration beaker.

  26. helium balloon and GR by Kwantus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always liked how helium balloons go the `wrong' way in a vehicle. toward the rear when braking, rightward when turning rightward, etc. And how General Rel holds the simplest explanation: gravity is indistinguishable from acceleration.

    1. Re:helium balloon and GR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gravity is indistinguishable from acceleration.

      locally

    2. Re:helium balloon and GR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but that doesn't explain what the helium balloon is doing

    3. Re:helium balloon and GR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uhhhhh that would proove momentum.

    4. Re:helium balloon and GR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. The helium balloon is *not* anti-gravity; rather, it is simply lighter than air. When you slow down your car, the car's mass shifts and it leans forward. The air (heavier than the balloon) goes down and pushes the lighter balloon up to the highest point in the inside of the car -- the rear. Same thing for turning.

    5. Re:helium balloon and GR by October_30th · · Score: 1

      The more dense (colder) air in an enclosed space behaves like you would expect from any mass. When you brake, it flows forward. When you accelerate, it flows backwards. A lighter mass like helium simply floats in another direction to compensate for the change.

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    6. Re:helium balloon and GR by Garion911 · · Score: 1

      I've always wondered about that too, and came up with a simple, probably very wrong idea/solution as to why..

      When you break, the poeple and other objects in the car go forward, just as you stated.. That forward movement causes alot of air to be moved, rushing toward the --back-- of the car. The ballon is just caught up in the wind..

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    7. Re:helium balloon and GR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the air flies toward the front of the car.

    8. Re:helium balloon and GR by rnelsonee · · Score: 1

      Well actually, air molecules move to the front of the car as well. But think of it as a fluid. When the air moves forwards, something's going to have to move out of its way -- which is the balloon. Since the balloon is lighter than air, it gets pushed out of the air's way -- to the back of the car. Just think of it as a cork in water... when you put a cork in an empty glass, it rests at the bottom. When you pour some water into it, the cork moves out of the water's way.

    9. Re:helium balloon and GR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      When you break, the poeple and other objects in the car go forward, just as you stated.. That forward movement causes alot of air to be moved, rushing toward the --back-- of the car. The ballon is just caught up in the wind..


      But what happens when you break wind?

    10. Re:helium balloon and GR by Kwantus · · Score: 1

      true. gravity tends to be shaped differently from acceleration.

  27. it's pretty stupid sig you have, dude by apankrat · · Score: 0, Troll

    not funny, not smart and without any point

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  28. You shot yourself in the foot with this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    S0rry but those restrictions rule out any experiment of any interest to the field of Physics. 200 years ago when rolling balls down inclined planes was a hot topic, maybe, but not today.

  29. The Pitch Drop Experiment by little_fluffy_clouds · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Pitch Drop Experiment.
    If you check the site out, you will even find a live RealVideo stream of the pitch.

    Pitch (a derivative of tar once used for waterproofing boats) feels solid at room temperature, and it can easily be shattered with a blow from a hammer. However, at room temperature it is actually fluid.

    Quoting from the website:
    "In 1927 Professor Parnell heated a sample of pitch and poured it into glass funnel with a sealed stem. Three years were allowed for the pitch to settle, and in 1930 the sealed stem was cut. From that date on the pitch has slowly dripped out of the funnel - so slowly that now, 72 years later, the eighth drop is only just about to fall."

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    1. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Has anyone ever done the same thing with glass?

      It would be interesting to see what its measurements for viscosity are against water.

    2. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by doubtless · · Score: 2, Insightful

      glass also feels solid at room temperature but is actually liquid. So, if that same experiment is extended to a very very long time, even the funnel will 'drip'.

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    3. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the other comments on this have to do with the "fluid" nature of glass I'll respond here...... Please post any scientific data supporting the "fluid" nature of glass at room temp. From what I can find it is commonly dismissed as an urban legend.

    4. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by blamanj · · Score: 3, Informative

      glass also feels solid at room temperature but is actually liquid

      Commonly believed but untrue. (And I don't care what your high school/college physics teacher said.)

      From Journal of Chemical Education, 1989:
      The glassy state resembles a liquid in having short-range [molecular] order without long-range order ,but differs in that the entire network is rigid, whereas in the liquid state enough energy is available tobreak and reform bonds continuously.

      See http://www.urbanlegends.com/ for more.

    5. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by raytracer · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Another story about pitch, not nearly as (okay, not at all) documented as the pitch drop experiment, but you might find it amusing.

      Pitch is still used in the polishing of high quality optical components like lenses and telescope mirrors. The rumor is that at some optical fab shop they had a rather large barrel of pitch which they would chisel out chunks to melt and pour into polishing laps. After a couple of decades of work, they reached the bottom of the barrel, and found several hammers and chisels resting at the bottom, apparently having been left on top and slowly sunk through the entire volume of pitch.

      It is a nice story, but it may be as false as the idea that glass is a liquid and flows under the force of gravity.

    6. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by bofkentucky · · Score: 1

      Okay, I'll bite, but how do you end up with "dripping" panes in very old windows. IE 1880's or older homesteads that are still standing have panes of glass that are thinned at the top and thicker at the bottom. That would suggest liquid to me.

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    7. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by Nightpaw · · Score: 1

      Is the hammer from 1927, too?

    8. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      For crying out loud, just do a search on google, and you assumption is easily falsified.

      http://www.ualberta.ca/~bderksen/florin.html

      http://www.ualberta.ca/~bderksen/florin.html#ant iq ue

    9. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I've heard on the subject, window makers were taught to put the thicker part of the glass toward the bottom. They've probably been like that all along.

    10. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by blamanj · · Score: 2

      The common explanation is that the manufacturing techniques used then tended to produce panes that were thicker at the bottom and that the "common sense" installation was simply to put the thicker portion at the bottom, just as you'd put the thicker or heavier logs at the bottom in a log cabin.

    11. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, the hammer is the original 1927 one.

      They've had to replace the head 3 times, and the handle twice, but other than that it's good as new.

    12. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by doubtless · · Score: 1

      There are a few good links

      http://www.ualberta.ca/~bderksen/florin.html
      http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/Glas s/glass.html
      http://www.spectrumglass.com/Library/ScoreArticles / itAboutGlass.html

      from google to the issue of classification of glass as liquid, solid, or none of the two. I guess I was wrong. Good to learn something from slashdot. hehe

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    13. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by scotch · · Score: 2
      You must be new to the internet. Spend some time on the alt.folklore.urban newsgroup or the urban legends website.

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    14. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by bofkentucky · · Score: 1

      Makes sense, I still say I could get at least 1 million dollars out of congress to find out though.

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    15. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by vlag · · Score: 1

      This is a commonly held theory but has been proved wrong. See here. For the lazy:
      "Glass is neither a normal liquid nor a normal solid. While the atoms in glass are essentially fixed in place like those in a normal solid, they are arranged in the disorderly fashion of a liquid. For that reason, glass is often described as a frozen liquid--a liquid that has cooled and thickened to the point where it has become rigid. But calling glass a liquid, even a frozen one, implies that glass can flow. Liquids always respond to stresses by flowing. Since unheated glass can't flow in response to stress, it isn't a liquid at all. It's really an amorphous or "glassy" solid--a solid that lacks crystalline order."

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    16. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by UranusReallyHertz · · Score: 1

      Any equivilent experiment with glass would probably require several million years. Glass does have a viscosity, but its BIG. The site said the viscosity of the pitch was 100 Billion times waters, glass is many trillion times larger. You notice how the GLASS funnel hasn't flowed noticably.

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    17. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by Jaycatt · · Score: 1
      The site is a little contradictory.... It says:

      "From that date on the pitch has slowly dripped out of the funnel - so slowly that now, 72 years later, the eighth drop is only just about to fall."

      Yet a couple of paragraphs later...

      "In the 69 years that the pitch has been dripping no-one has ever seen the drop fall."

      So the first 7 drops fell in 3 years and that eighth one is just taking a really long time?

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    18. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by Jaycatt · · Score: 1

      Okay okay, before the flames start I get it now... 7 drops fell, just no one saw it "actually fall". They don't mean the eighth drop specifically.

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    19. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by Corvus9 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Okay, I'll bite, but how do you end up with "dripping" panes in very old windows?
      I have actually seen such panes in Italy, and can tell you the "dripping" is an artifact of the way the glass is made. The "drips" are distributed all over the entire pane, and the top of the pane is just as thick as the bottom. Horizontal and curved pieces of the same glass also have this "dripped" surface.

      If you mean clear glass thicker at the bottom than the top, sometimes found in old English buildings, the Glass Flow page page at the Urban Legends page someone posted earlier says this is also an artifact of the way early clear glass panes were made. The slabs are uneven, and the builders install them with the thickest portion at the bottom to avoid unbalancing the panes.

      If you still think glass is a liquid, tell me why Cartaginian glass, made thousands of years ago, are not puddles, and why obsidian shards milions of years old still have sharp edges.

    20. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by Durindana · · Score: 1

      I don't know whether that's beautiful or even an experiment, but wrap your head around this - the pitch is contained in and dripping from something that also is a liquid at room temperature; that is, the glass beaker it's in.

    21. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by schmink182 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, after replacing both parts of the hammer, a couple of times mind you, it seems it's not the same hammer. Oh well, close enough.

    22. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      woosh

  30. Not one, but two by pmc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The best experiment is really a pair of them: Young's double slit experiment, and the photoelectric effect. Young's double slit experiment showed that light acted as a wave. The photo-electric effect showed that light acted as a particle. Together they showed that light acts completely unlike anything we experience in the classical world.

    Both are simple, easily doable in the laboratory for undergraduates, and after doing (and comprehending) both you'll never again think the same way about light.

    1. Re:Not one, but two by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      Together they showed that light acts completely unlike anything we experience in the classical world.

      Then the Davisson-Germer experiment came along and showed that electrons and even alpha particles behave exactly the same way.

    2. Re:Not one, but two by linzeal · · Score: 1

      Two slits are not always better than one, they tend to conspire imho.

    3. Re:Not one, but two by fldvm · · Score: 1

      You can get see them both at: Two Slit Photo electric

    4. Re:Not one, but two by p1asm0n · · Score: 1

      And to boot, the conclusions of these two experiments always agree in their output due to the Heisenberg principle, "they both show that light is either a particle or a wave, but never the two at the same time anywhere in our universe! Now thats beautiful

  31. Location, location, location... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I vote for the experiement on the moon when they dropped the hammer and feather to demonstrate aceleration in a gravity field. If not the "most beautiful" experiement it was probably the most watched experiement. Of course, the location of the experiment is what makes it so memorable for me.

    1. Re:Location, location, location... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, except the whole experiment is a crock and "proves" something that isn't quite true. The moon "experiment" can be done on earth in a vacuum chamber, my high school had a long tube with a feather and a heavy weight in a vacuum for just such a purpose. But in reality the "proof" that all objects fall at the same speed is BOGUS. Sure, a lead weight that is a few thousand times heavier than a feather doesn't fall thousands of times faster, but, to correct the BIG LIE of textbook physics, it doesn't fall at the same speed either!

      The proof? Try this thought experiment (and maybe thought experiments are the most beautiful experiments in physics): Imagine dropping on the moon a lead bowling ball and then a ball made of neutron start matter, with them mass of Jupiter. The lead ball will fall at the acceleration of G as expected for the moon, but do you really think that the neutron star matter ball will? Hardly, since from a relativistic viewpoint we could also perceive the second drop as the moon being dropped onto a mass equivalent of Jupiter, and it would be expected to fall at an acceleration equal to the value of G on Jupiter. So even if you look at it from a viewpoint of dropping the neutron star matter onto the moon, it will still fall much faster. The truth is that heavy objects do fall faster than lighter objects, since their own gravitational attraction enters into the equation, but for most applications the difference is negligible!

      And did a moon drop of a hammer and a feather ever show up on film? I've never yet found any film of a dropped object on the moon that could be used to demonstrate that the value of G on the moon differs from that on Earth.

  32. The most beautiful experiment is to by dunkerz · · Score: 1

    define "beautiful".

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    1. Re:The most beautiful experiment is to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh wow. Insightful.

  33. The Thomson experiment? by shawnseat · · Score: 1

    I think using a perfume bottle and a battery counts as something that can be done cheaply. Proving the value of an electron's charge gives a quick and easy method for calculating Avogadro's number as a bonus. (The Faraday constant was already known, but not the number of electrons necessary to make a coulomb of charge).

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    1. Re:The Thomson experiment? by shawnseat · · Score: 1

      D'oh, it was Milliken not Thomson; the above poster was right.

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  34. My Pick by BerserkDog · · Score: 1

    Many people are involved in this, not just a small group of physiscists.

    www.wired.com/news/topstories/0,1287,11285,00.ht ml

  35. Acceleration of gravity by fiber_halo · · Score: 2

    One of the first experiments we did at UMR was to measure the acceleration of gravity. It was a weird contraption of a clothespin wired to a switch that started a timer when you released this badminton birdie from the clothespin.

    We dropped the birdie onto a box with a microphone in it that stopped the timer when it heard the "thud". We dropped it from different heights and measured the time to fall and then plotted the results.

    The beautiful thing wasn't learning that gravity is 9.8 m/s^2, but in showing us that from a fairly simple setup we could quantitatively measure something important in physics. We calculated the acceleration of gravity as well as the terminal velocity of the birdie. And our results were correct!

    This was a great foundation to other experiments with interferometers measuring the wavelength of a laser, pendulums, exponential decay (of you name it -- cooling, capacitor discharge, etc.).

    1. Re:Acceleration of gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please say you meant to say the acceleration due to gravity at the earth's surface.... oh please.

  36. Gotta be... by gokubi · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Monkey gun!

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    1. Re:Gotta be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh god yes. anyone else remember this classic physics film?

  37. It's all in the shadows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Eratosthenes accurately estimated the diameter and circumference of the earth with a stick. That's beauty.

  38. Not necessarily physics... how about math? by Bonker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It doesn't necessarily take physics to change a man's worldview:

    The Cointoss Fractal

    Get a largish sheet of paper, a coin or a d6, a felt-tip marker, and a tape measure.

    Draw three dots, making any given shape of triangle. Pick any dot at random. This is your first point. Use the coin or a d6 to *randomly* decide between all three dots as a second point. Draw a new dot exactly half-way in between the two points. Use the dot you just drew as your new first point. Use the coin or a d6 to randomly select a new second point. Draw a dot exactly half-way between the two points. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    After even a few hundred iterations, you'll begin to see a beautiful crystaline-like fractal pattern emerge. Even with the inherent innacuracy of this method, you can see the fractal down to the fourth or fifth iteration of the pattern before it breaks down. If you use even a slightly more accurate method, such as a C or Pascal program to draw colored dots on a computer screen, you can get 10 or 11 iterations, even with interger math rather than floating point.

    The first time I saw this, I very nearly cried.

    Order from chaos, just from math.

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    1. Re:Not necessarily physics... how about math? by juggler314 · · Score: 2, Informative
      order from chaos? Not exactly. The Sierpinski Triangle is a great fractal, however it isn't chaos which forms it. Once you understand how the fractal is generated it's easy to show that for any given spot outside one of the "cleared" areas it will never migrate into a cleared area. Also it's very easy to show that any starting point from within a "cleared" area will quickly migrate outside never to return. The random picking of the next point only serves to show that we can use a random number in the algorithm to derive the same picture that we would get if one just kept disecting the triangle into 1/4's.

      Now if you came up with some function where you were not able to predict anything at all about the placement of the next dot (in the Sierpinski we know much about the next dot - namely that it will lie on the midpoint of the line drawn to the next vertex chosen) and still ended up with some deep fractal pattern that would be pretty cool.

      I remember playing around with the mandlebrot fractal too and seem to remember that it is a bit harder to predict that shape ahead of time (but I could just not be remembering right).

    2. Re:Not necessarily physics... how about math? by swagr · · Score: 2

      Doesnt IFS (e.g. xlock -mode ifs) work by randomly chosing a transformation froma set of pre-defined ones?

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    3. Re:Not necessarily physics... how about math? by Mao · · Score: 1

      you "experiment" is but a crude implemenation of Barnsley' s algorithm, which allows one to rapidly generate an IFS.

      This is not really order from chaos because your scheme of plotting the results of successive coin tosses is highly non-random. Your average dot doesnt really have too many places it can go, except, of course, onto the contours of the siespinski casket.

    4. Re:Not necessarily physics... how about math? by pokeyburro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Speaking of math, the depiction of the Mandlebrot Set is definitely within the reach of students. I wrote a program doing this in Turbo Pascal as a teenager. (Granted, I had help from Turbo Technix Magazine...) Until then, no one realized how complicated a form could arise from an exceedingly simple iterative equation.

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    5. Re:Not necessarily physics... how about math? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's usually called sierpinski's gasket, and it can actually be a triangle, square, or just abount any polygon to get the same idea.

    6. Re:Not necessarily physics... how about math? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For N points, move N-2 / N-1 of the distance. 1/2 for 3 points, 2/3 for 4 points, 3/4 for 5 points, etc. Odd numbers of points make better pictures than even numbers of points...

    7. Re:Not necessarily physics... how about math? by juggler314 · · Score: 1

      Heck I wrote the mandlebrot fractal on my TI-85:) It's not hard at all to program...however it was slow as sh*t on a calculator!

  39. Two words by aozilla · · Score: 2

    Nuclear fission...

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  40. some renaissance classics... by supernova87a · · Score: 2

    One of my favorites is Newton's experiment which is as simple as a ball on a track. Noting that gravity was apparently a force to be considered, Newton showed that since the ball accelerates if the track is tilted down and deccelerates if tilted up, that objects under no force (track perpendicular to gravity gradient) should neither accelerate or deccelerate.

    Also, the related experiment using wires spaces n^2 distances apart, and listening for the resulting equal times between "clicks", which shows that the distance covered is proportional to the square of the time!

    And then, how about Newton's extrapolation of the laws of gravity (observed by simple things like falling bodies) to the laws governing celestial bodies under the influence of gravity? This is pretty impressive, I think, to be able to predict successfully something that has no (near) physical equivalent that you were able to test beforehand!

    1. Re:some renaissance classics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the track experiments you mention were done by Galileo.

  41. Back to Basics by Telastyn · · Score: 2

    dropping a bowling ball and a light foam ball to demonstrate how mass is independant of gravity.

    1. Re:Back to Basics by pomakis · · Score: 4, Informative
      dropping a bowling ball and a light foam ball to demonstrate how mass is independant of gravity.

      But this experiment is a bit misleading. Mass isn't actually independent of gravity. It is just extremely negligable when the second object is billions of times more massive than the object in question (like a bowling ball as compared to the Earth).

      The force of gravity is proportional to the sums of the masses of the two objects in question (m1 + m2), and the Earth (m2) has a mass of 5.9736 × 10^24 kg. Try the same experiment by comparing how fast a bowling ball falls in comparison to a bowling-ball sized neutron star. (Of course, you wouldn't want to drop them at the same time, because you'd then be dealing with a three-body problem.)

    2. Re:Back to Basics by csbruce · · Score: 1

      The force of gravity is proportional to the sums of the masses of the two objects in question (m1 + m2)

      Sorry Mr. Pomakis, but F = G * m1 * m2 / r^2. The masses are multiplied, and I believe that both bodies exert the same amount of force on each other. Though, you'd probably get all kinds of light/space/time/distance distortions with a super-dense blowling ball (plus a strike every time, since the bowling pins would jump at the ball like a magnet).

    3. Re:Back to Basics by Wolfier · · Score: 1

      I guess he wanted to say acceleration is independent of mass...

    4. Re:Back to Basics by dracken · · Score: 1

      WHAT A SHOCKER!!!!!!

      Mass *is* independant of gravity. Weight is not. Weight W = force of attraction due to earth which is proportional to PRODUCT of the two masses in question (m1 - the mass of the ball and m2 - the mass of the earth).

      Now acceleration is directly proportional to W and inversely proportinal to m1, the mass of the ball.
      This is from newton's law: accleration = a = F/m Where F = force = weight here and m = mass of ball.
      This makes acceleration proportional to W/m1. m1 cancels out giving the same acceleration to balls of *any* mass that are dropped.

      That is the beauty of the experiment. Objects of *all* masses (ignoring the air resistance) fall with the same acceleration towards the earth. This has Nothing to do with the ball being of negligible mass when compared to earth.

      Repeat until enlightened - Whereever in the universe you go, mass of an object is the same. Weight might vary.

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    5. Re:Back to Basics by benwb · · Score: 2

      F = m1 * a
      F = G * (m1 + m2)/r^2

      a = G * m2 / r^2

      The acceleration of mass 1 due to the gravitational field of mass 2 is solely dependent of on mass 2's mass.

      This happens because of the lucky coincidence of the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass. If these values varied by anything other than a constant amount the m1's in the equation would not cancel and you would end up in the situation you describe.

      The physics changes slightly once General Relativity is taken into account, but only at speeds near c, or around object's whose escape velocity approaches c.

    6. Re:Back to Basics by sanchz14 · · Score: 1

      even if you didn't drop them at the same time, but merely had the bowling ball sized neutron star nearby while you dropped the real bowling ball you would get somewhat (everything would get smooshed together) bad data.

    7. Re:Back to Basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you're not mixing up the total force due to gravity on both bodies with the force on just one?

      It seems that the two equations for F do not refer to the same thing.

    8. Re:Back to Basics by danro · · Score: 2

      Repeat until enlightened - Whereever in the universe you go, mass of an object is the same. Weight might vary

      No, it depends on the speed of the object.
      You'll have to move very fast to notice a measurable difference though.
      But one could say this is why objects with rest mass cant reach lightspeed. When speed --> c that means mass --> infinity (time grinds to an halt too, but i'll get back to that soon) and that, of cource would require an infinite amount of enery, which you are not likely to find...

      Only reason a photon can reach lightspeed is that it has no rest mass.
      Photons are really wierd, they can't exist at rest (E=mc, and m0 is 0, remember...) they have no anti particle either. Any antiparticle behaves as it's particle exept "travelling backwards" in time. Since the photon moves at lightspeed direction in time is irrelevant and it is it's own anti particle.

      I don't like photons, they give me an hedache...

      I dropped out of physics by the way...
      It was cool, but I just couldn't stand it.

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    9. Re:Back to Basics by JohnPM · · Score: 1

      The problem with the bowling ball and the light foam ball is that it doesn't show anything with much accuracy unless you remove the effects of air resistance. In air the forces due to gravity are different in each case but the accelerations due to gravity are identical. Brilliant, however the forces due to air resistance are the same (at the same velocity) and the accelerations due to air resistance are different. That's why the feather and hammer experiment "needed" to be done on the moon.

      Which brings me to another pet peeve. A previous poster said that Apollo 14 proved something with this experiment. Clearly they did not, it was just a bit of fun.

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    10. Re:Back to Basics by pomakis · · Score: 2
      Okay, this is getting silly. Earlier today I made a posting that claimed that "The force of gravity is proportional to the sums of the masses of the two objects in question (m1 + m2)". Shortly after that, I was corrected. The force of gravity is proportional to the product of the masses. The full formula is F = G * m1 * m2 / r^2. However, I have since seen this formula mis-quoted a number of times in this thread. It seems as if other people made the same mistake as I did, recalling the equation from memory and assuming that the operation is an addition because it sounds like it would work that way. The logic used to rationalize this is as follows: It couldn't be a multiplication, because if it were, doubling the mass of one of the objects (e.g., by replacing a foam ball with a bowling ball) would double the value of (m1 * m2), causing the bowling ball to fall to earth twice as fast, which it clearly doesn't. Well, this logic is incorrect, and I'm gonna tell you why. Ready?

      Yes, the value of (m1 * m2) doubles. And yes, that means that the overall force that the object experiences doubles. But since the object is twice as massive, it needs twice the force to accelerate it to the same extent (because F = m * a). So the bowling ball falls at the exact same speed as the foam ball because a given force would affect it half as much as it would affect the foam ball (because it weighs twice as much), but the force of gravity is pulling on it twice as hard. The actual mass of the object is cancelled out of the equation.

      This, to me, is simply astounding, as in 1) simple, 2) astounding, and 3) astounding in its simplicity. The universe is truly an amazing place.

    11. Re:Back to Basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're still missing a basic truth here. Consider what happens when one mass is many times the mass of earth. Do you believe it "falls" to the Earth at the same speed as a light object dropped on the Earth? Clearly in the case of a massive object greater than the mass of Earth, the planet is drawn towards the mass at it's (greater) value of G. Relativisticly we can consider either the object falling onto the Earth or the Earth falling onto the object, i's the same thing. So massive objects must fall faster.

  42. How about early experiments with the catapult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the middle ages someone must have thrown a dead cow using a catapult into a seiged castle. He found out that doing so spread disease. I can only imagine a cow being tossed by a catapult over a high rock wall. It aint pretty but it is elegant. Come to think of it, that's hypothesis driven biology as well....

    -Sean

  43. Rutherford's alpha scattering by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You could do this with material from a smoke detector and some fluorescent screens.

    He sent a beam of alpha particles through a target, which according to the theories of the day should have been like firing a bullet through jello.

    Some of them bounced straight back, which proved there were small hard objects in the "jello". Those small hard objects were atomic nuclei, and the experiment revealed the existence of matter with unprecedented density.

  44. Vinager and Baking Soda by Copperhead · · Score: 1

    You mix an acid and a base together, put it into a model of a volcano, and get lots of bubbles!

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    1. Re:Vinager and Baking Soda by BethLogic · · Score: 1

      Um, this is a chemistry experiment, not a physics one. I know that chemistry is really just the application of a lot of physics properties, but vinegar was not used in any of the physics classes I took.

    2. Re:Vinager and Baking Soda by Copperhead · · Score: 1

      Hmm... you're right. How about if we mix it in a bottle, cork it, and point the bottle somewhere?

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    3. Re:Vinager and Baking Soda by bofkentucky · · Score: 1

      medicine is biology, biology is chemistry, chemistry is physics, physics is math, math is logic, logic is....

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  45. light as particle by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

    I thought light can behave like a particle?

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    1. Re:light as particle by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      It can behave like a particle, in that it is quantized, but that doesn't make it a particle. It makes it a quantized wave.

    2. Re:light as particle by mindstrm · · Score: 2

      So.. given that any other particle can also be viewed purely as a wave.. does your statement not hold true for all reality?

      A proton is a quantized wave.
      So is an electron.

      Any particle stream behaves as a wave to some degree. The wavelength just gets extremely long as you get away from c, so the effect seems to disappear.

    3. Re:light as particle by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      So.. given that any other particle can also be viewed purely as a wave.. does your statement not hold true for all reality?

      Get me an electron beam splitter and create an interferometer with 4 kilometer long arms. Now show an experiment which can only be explained by the fact that the electrons travel down both arms simultaneously. In other words, send electrons down through the interferometer one electron at a time, and show the interference pattern it creates. Block one arm of the interferometer at a time, repeat, and show that there is no interference pattern. Then we can discuss whether I'm willing to modify my statement to hold for all of reality.

    4. Re:light as particle by Captn+Pepe · · Score: 2
      Get me an electron beam splitter and create an interferometer with 4 kilometer long arms. Now show an experiment which can only be explained by the fact that the electrons travel down both arms simultaneously. ...

      I don't think anyone's bothered to do such an experiment with 4-km interferometer arms, since you can demonstrate the wave nature of the electron with a much smaller apparatus. The simplest way is with the analogous 2-slit experiment for electrons -- requires very small slits, and so is generally done instead with a crystal lattice, but the results are just as you would expect.

      The way quantum mechanics is formulated -- which, I would point out, does an extremely good job of describing the world as we see it -- absolutely precludes describing anything purely as a particle or as a wave. And that's not even the spooky part ...
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    5. Re:light as particle by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      The simplest way is with the analogous 2-slit experiment for electrons -- requires very small slits, and so is generally done instead with a crystal lattice, but the results are just as you would expect.

      But this doesn't preclude that something is happening at the physical level to taint the experiment. Yes, you open one slit, you get one pattern, you open the other slit, you get a different pattern, you open both slits, you get an interference pattern (this isn't the same as electron diffraction, but it has been done with both electrons and alpha particles). But, it is a perfectly legitimate conclusion that the lack of matter/charge/whatever in the second slit is what's causing the interference pattern. With an interferometer, you can block the beam at a point where a physical explanation would require forces moving at faster than the speed of light. The only conclusion that can be made is that each single photon is travels both paths simultaneously. (Actually you could alternatively conclude faster than light force propagation but that's even more far fetched). In any case, it's a much deeper and meaningful conclusion.

    6. Re:light as particle by micromoog · · Score: 2

      Your obnoxious technicalities expose your ignorance.

    7. Re:light as particle by mindstrm · · Score: 2

      Sorry, no.

      A stream of particles travelling down both arms simultaneously, without being waves, would not create the interference pattern we see.
      Same goes for light.

      We can say that a probability wave travelled through both slits simultaneously, and collapsed.

      Quantum mechanics shows how everything is both a wave and a particle. Light is no exception, it's just at one extreme end of things.

      Are you disputing that or something?

    8. Re:light as particle by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      Quantum mechanics shows how everything is both a wave and a particle. Light is no exception, it's just at one extreme end of things.

      Are you disputing that or something?

      Yes. I'm not disputing that light can exhibit particle-like properties, or that particles can exhibit wave-like properties, but "everything is both a wave and a particle" goes too far.

      Photons have constant speed, constant momentum, and constant energy. To call them a particle disproves heisenberg uncertainty. Light has no mass, no charge, doesn't obey the pauli exclusion principle. In fact, there is absolutely no record of a photon's existence between the two single particles that interact with each other. The photon is a mathematical construct. It is a wave. It is a quantized transverse wave, but it is a wave.

  46. Free The United States of Amerika @# +1; High #@ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lame stories are posted to Slashdot about science
    while Biker Gangs On Turf Warpath.

    I wonder if John Ashcroft will call them as material witnesses or
    Donald Rumsfeld will call in the Special Forces.

    Thanks in advance.

    Woot

  47. Foucault pendulum too subtle by call+-151 · · Score: 2
    To properly understand the Foucault pendulum requires a fair amount more understanding than many realize. At the north pole, the pendulum makes a full circuit, once per day, and is reasonably straightforward, but at other locations, the change depends upon latitude in a subtle enough way that most people don't really grasp it. In particular, I am surprised that so many museums have elaborate displays and inadequate explantions of why it does not complete a full revolution each day. Many museums explain that this proves that the earth rotates, but do not explain the computation needed to compute one's latitude from the amount of precession per day.

    I have taught undergraduate differential geometry many times, and covered the relevant material (parallel transport of vectors along non-geodesics, holonomy) and frequently even reasonably strong students have a hard time with understanding it correctly. Particularly when I put a parallel transport question on an exam...

    This Smithsonian FAQ has a bit about pendulums, but just says the relationship is complex. The California Academy has a page that is much better than a typical museum explanation in that it mentions that the amount of precession depends upon latitude and gives the relationship (precession is 2 pi sin(phi) where phi is the latitude) as well as making a reasonable effort at an explanation.

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    1. Re:Foucault pendulum too subtle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I have taught undergraduate differential geometry many times, and covered the relevant material (parallel transport of vectors along non-geodesics, holonomy) and frequently even reasonably strong students have a hard time with understanding it correctly. Particularly when I put a parallel transport question on an exam... "

      Either you are mistaken about which are "strong students", or perhaps you are not very good at teaching? Or, perhaps people are gradually becoming more stupid with each generation and no one is as smart as you any more? Seriously, an attitude like that has no place in a classroom.

    2. Re:Foucault pendulum too subtle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take F=ma in a central force field. Put it into a rotating coordinate system. Note that the EoM for a pendulum located at particular latitude on a rotating earth is identical to the EoM for a pendulum placed on a rotating platform at the same latitude on a non rotating earth. Problem solved. The math is fairly easy but it is not intuitive for students since this explanation uses three coordinate systems, two of which are noninertia. Plus there is always the confusion between "active" and "passive" transformations. But the explanation is quick and correct.

  48. Gallileo's Gravity Experiment by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

    Definetly.

    What other experiment changed the world more in such a simple way as to drop 2 objects of diffrent Mass and show that gravity acts the same for each?

    Archamedies I guess would also be. sitting in a tub to proove that diffrent densities displace diffrent amounts of water.

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    1. Re:Gallileo's Gravity Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What other experiment changed the world more in such a simple way as to drop 2 objects of diffrent Mass and show that gravity acts the same for each?

      Inertial mass equals gravitational mass... It took centuries for this concept to finally make sense - to Einstein.

    2. Re:Gallileo's Gravity Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that would be because Newton screwed it up with his silly theories :-)

    3. Re:Gallileo's Gravity Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the sad part is we still teach those silly theories to children today. I say start with relativity. Then introduce the Newtonian approximations.

    4. Re:Gallileo's Gravity Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      damn right.

      teaching Classical Physics then reletivity is like teaching C then C++

  49. six flags by MrSkunk · · Score: 1

    My entire high-school physics class took a trip to great adventure. They actually closed the park to public and kept it open only for a few schools. Everybody who went had a worksheet with a whole bunch of questions and a spring device that could measure g-forces.

    You basically spent the first two hours riding on rides and filling in all the data needed to do the calculations. The rest of the day was free for dicking around and going on as many rides as you could.

    Definitely the only physics experiment I remember from school.

    1. Re:six flags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why Americans score low on scholastic tests

  50. Measuring the height of a building... by kpetruse · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok, so this is probably apocryphal, but I was sent this a while ago:

    A question in a physics degree examination at the University of Copenhagen
    ran thus:

    "Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer."

    One student replied:
    "You tie a long piece of string to the neck of the barometer, then lower the
    barometer from the roof of the skyscraper to the ground. The length of the
    string plus the length of the barometer will equal the height of the
    building."

    This highly original answer so incensed the examiner that the student was
    failed immediately. He appealed on the grounds that his answer was
    indisputably correct, and the university appointed an independent arbiter to
    decide the case. The arbiter judged that the answer was indeed correct, but
    did not display any noticeable knowledge of physics. To resolve the problem
    it was decided to call the student in and allow him six minutes in which to
    provide a verbal answer which showed at least a minimal familiarity with the
    basic principles of physics. For five minutes the student sat in silence,
    forehead creased in thought. The arbiter reminded him that time was running
    out, to which the student replied that he had several extremely relevant
    answers, but couldn't make up his mind which to use. On being advised to
    hurry up the student replied as follows:

    "Firstly, you could take the barometer up to the roof of the skyscraper,
    drop it over the edge, and measure the time it takes to reach the ground.
    The height of the building can then be worked out from the formula H = 0.5g
    x t squared. But bad luck on the barometer.

    "Or if the sun is shining you could measure the height of the barometer,
    then set it on end and measure the length of its shadow. Then you measure
    the length of the skyscraper's shadow, and thereafter it is a simple matter
    of proportional arithmetic to work out the height of the skyscraper.

    "But if you wanted to be highly scientific about it, you could tie a short
    piece of string to the barometer and swing it like a pendulum, first at
    ground level and then on the roof of the skyscraper. The height is worked
    out by the difference in the gravitational restoring force T = 2 pi sqrroot
    (l / g).

    "Or if the skyscraper has an outside emergency staircase, it would be easier
    to walk up it and mark off the height of the skyscraper in barometer
    lengths, then add them up.

    "If you merely wanted to be boring and orthodox about it, of course, you
    could use the barometer to measure the air pressure on the roof of the
    skyscraper and on the ground, and convert the difference in millibars into
    feet to give the height of the building.

    But since we are constantly being exhorted to exercise independence of mind
    and apply scientific methods, undoubtedly the best way would be to knock on
    the janitor's door and say to him 'If you would like a nice new barometer, I
    will give you this one if you tell me the height of this skyscraper'."

    The student was Niels Bohr.

    A great example of how there are always different ways of looking at a problem, from one of the greatest scientists ever (allegedly).

    1. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      urban legend actually. this was attributed to einstein, pauli, and in a fit of pure genius, to newton as well. cheers

    2. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by frankie · · Score: 3, Informative

      this is probably apocryphal, but

      How some stuff gets to Score: 5, I will never know. Remember folks,
      Google makes all computing simple .

    3. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by ~roman · · Score: 1

      As allready mentioned - an urban legend, but reminds me a task for young skauts:

      Q: How would you find South direction?
      A: Satelite dishes... (well, +- bus...)

    4. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good principle for students; if there are several answers that are correct, choose the one that displays the greatest amount of imagination rather than the one most obviously sought.

      Of course in the parent (probably untrue) example, I think the original answer wasn't really as much imaginative as trying to be funny by avoiding the intended answer. Had the original answer been the pendulum one...

    5. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah! That's an urban legend.

      http://www.snopes2.com/college/exam/barometr.htm

    6. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by phkamp · · Score: 1
      The story is good, but that it should be Niels Bohr is an urban legend.

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    7. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by wdavies · · Score: 2

      My favourite version was the answer that required finding the Janitor of said Building and offering him the Barometer in exchange for telling you the height of the building....

      Winton

    8. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by freuddot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Urban legend it is:

      Barometer

    9. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by firewrought · · Score: 1
      Heh.. reminds me of a story:

      I tend to subconciously latch onto indicators of cardinal direction (constellations, position of the sun, orientation of city streets, etc.). One day I was in a part of town that I visit frequently and nearly sh*tted bricks when I realized that a satelite dish wasn't pointing in the direction I thought was South. My internal compass was off by an entire 90 degrees.

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    10. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by danro · · Score: 2

      ...and in a fit of pure genius, to newton as well

      Actually, I am surprised I haven't seen any trolls trying to pull that one of in this thread.

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  51. Hovercup!! The best expirement by Monkelectric · · Score: 5, Funny
    Back many years ago when I was in physics class... My buddy and I were shit bored in lab, and the TA was a really cool big guy with a pony tail who drove a harley (and happened to be a graduate student in physics).

    We had finished our lab a bit early, and well, there was still about 3 gallons of unused liquid nitrogen -- this could not be allowed. So we started to figure out things to do with it, poured it on the floor and watched the dirt particles dance around :)

    Looking for some other things to do with the stuff, I poked some holes in the bottom of our Styrofoam cup and poured the liquid nitrogen in it -- I had hoped the cup would levitate on the boiling nitrogen leaking out the bottom ... no dice, it was too heavy -- So I kept tearing away the walls of the cup, trying to leave enough room for liquid nitrogen, but leave the cup light enough to float. Finally I arrived at the right balance, and we had fun kicking our cup around the floor and watching it glide. So to be idiots we showed the TA what we were doing and he replies, "Gentlemen, you have just discovered the leidenfrost effect." And to this I reply, "We call it hovercup."

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    1. Re:Hovercup!! The best expirement by The+trees · · Score: 1

      Even better use of liquid nitrogen: Home-made ice cream in a jiffy!

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    2. Re:Hovercup!! The best expirement by iomud · · Score: 2

      Oh man, that's funny. Where are those mod points when you need them.

    3. Re:Hovercup!! The best expirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are easier ways to discover the Leidenfrost effect that don't require liquid nitrogen, like dropping water on a hot surface. Or a wet finger, if you want to make it more interesting.

  52. Two Suggestions by 0123456789 · · Score: 1
    First up, the solar radiometer which was intended to demonstrate photon pressure.

    Secondly, Newton's demonstration that white light was composed of many colours of light using two prisms. Very neat, and very simple.

  53. Gauss Rifle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Simple, cheap, interesting. http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/gauss.h tml

  54. My vote is Feynman. by Crusty+Oldman · · Score: 1

    The most elegant, beautiful experiment was Feynman's Apollo o-ring-in-the-icewater experiment. He solved the question quickly, economically, and decisively.

    1. Re:My vote is Feynman. by bhima · · Score: 1

      The o-ring wasn't from any of the Apollo missions, it was from the Challenger solid rocket booster explosion.

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    2. Re:My vote is Feynman. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you like feynman too much. :)

    3. Re:My vote is Feynman. by Crusty+Oldman · · Score: 1

      You're right!

    4. Re:My vote is Feynman. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, the experiment lacked a control. But what can you expect, it was jury-rigged..

  55. Dropping a feather in a vacuum by call+-151 · · Score: 2

    One of the simplest and most compelling experiments to my mind is the "drop a feather and a penny in a vacuum tube" demo. There is a nice one at the Exploratorium in San Francisco- an evacuated tube with a metal ball and a feather, pivoted in the middle. Sure enough, when you turn it over, they fall at the same rate. I found it surprisingly addictive and fascinating and always have to elbow a bunch of kids out of the way to get to play with it for very long...

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    1. Re:Dropping a feather in a vacuum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, simple. Way too simple, as it promotes a false concept. In truth, more massive objects do fall faster, although in the case of any object that you could put in the tube the differences would be negliable, (also, two objects falling together is different than the acceleration of each object falling seperately, since their total mass affects how the Earth is drawn to them).

  56. Potato Battery! by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 1
  57. What the hell is the tape measure for? by essiescreet · · Score: 0

    huh?

    1. Re:What the hell is the tape measure for? by Bonker · · Score: 1

      Giving you a semi-accurate idea of where the midpoint between 2 points is...

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  58. I will nominate cold fusion by ~roman · · Score: 2, Funny

    It is relatively easy to establish, has great application and it has very reproducible results as shown by many groups arround the world.
    Wait a minute...

  59. Interference by Have+Blue · · Score: 2
    The Michaelson-Morley experiment is another possibility... It proved that the speed of light is independent of the observer's velocity and frame of reference.

    There are a whole class of experiments where old masters using (by modern standards) primitive equipment found results that were accurate even to modern standards and formed the basis of modern science:
    • Michaelson-Morley interferometer (uniformity of c)
    • Millikan's oil drop experiment (charge of an electron)
    • Foucalt's pendulum (gravitational constant)
    • Eratosthenes measures the diameter of the Earth
    • Young's two-slit experiment (wave/particle duality)
    • Kepler's laws of orbits (extrapolated from precise observations, but can be deduced from mechanics)
  60. I vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the installation of Patricia Ford's gravity-defying breasts.

    Hey, it all comes down to your standard of beauty. This is mine. :P

  61. Here are links by marcus · · Score: 2, Informative

    The archive:
    http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/feather.h tml

    and some old video:

    http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/feather.avi

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  62. Relativity by nick255 · · Score: 2

    Not regularly repeatable. But one of the first experiments to support general relativity was brilliant.
    1) Look position of stars
    2) Wait for solar eclipse
    3) See that stars near moon have moved from where they should be.

  63. Thomas Young's experiment by AFaus · · Score: 1
    The single one that has impressed me more is Thomas Young's one, in which he demonstrated that light is a wave.

    It reasonable simple, and very visual on the results. You set up the stuff, and voi-la! one of the majors results on the history of physics, lays in front of you, right now.

    It is a striking proof of how deep results of physics can show simple, observable effects.

    Before seeing it, i didn't believe a single word of "modern" (20-century) phsyics. It change it all, at least for me. (This one, and seeing an electric microscope work)

    For an explanation of how to reproduce it, go to here It's a nice experiment for a High School pyshics class...

  64. Measuring the charge of an electron? by Alomex · · Score: 2


    IANAP but I once saw a student at a science fair who measured the charge of an electron using standard off the shelf high-school lab equipment.

    Instead of the very pure oil used by Millikan she used cooking oil. This introduced a lot of noise in the system, but quite amazingly when you plot out the results you can clealry see the impure oil component and the electron charge component. Subtract the impure oil component from your data, average out and report the result. She got the charge of the electron right to three significant digits of precision IIRC.

  65. no Michelson-Morley? maybe just plain Michelson? by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Michelson-Morley had to do with the existence of aether. It was complicated, but elegant.

    But Michelson had already done an even more historically impressive experiment, I think, that had to do with the most accurate measurements of the speed of light in his day by far. "In 1878 Albert A. Michelson first accurately measures the speed of light with $10 worth of apparatus along the seawall" (scroll toward the middle of the page).

    The more accurate measurement he made in the 1920s is described briefly below that quote on the same page. Certainly the $10 experiment is in the grasp of most classrooms, but I think the mountaintop one is also possible for today's students, what with GPS and all, or even a really good topo map (+/- a few feet gets you close-enough-for-proof-of-concept). You have to get 2 teams of kids on 2 different mountains- and with SUVs and the quality of roads nowadays, how hard is that to do in the high sierras with some adult supervision? Maybe hard to do if you live in Kansas, admittedly.

    Plus, what school kids want to sit around a stuffy lab? How cool an experiment would it be to the most science-jaded student to get out of the classroom and into the wilderness to do science on an as easily appreciated concept as the speed of light? ;-)

    Here's another good article on the history of the speed of light and better details of Michelson's efforts.

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  66. Total Internal Reflection by mattblanchard · · Score: 1
    I remember an experiment in a college physics course where the experimenter used a hollow tube of clear lucite and a small laser to demonstrate total internal reflection. The laser is (shined, shown, pointed ?) into one end edge of the lucite, and initially passes right through. Not too exciting...

    But eventually the experimenter happens upon the Critical Angle, and voila! Total Internal Reflection! The laser beam swirls around the tube , and you can actually see the exact path it takes as it reflects off the inside of the lucite. Then it shoots out the other end of the tube in some not-so-random direction.

    I know that this experiment is more of a demonstration than a results-producing test, but it really got the attention of the class, even those students who didn't give a hoot about physics. It is asthetically beautiful, and it is a great demonstration of the way that fiber optics work. If only my high school teachers had shown us things like this...

    cheers, Matt

  67. Shoot the monkey!! by Insightfill · · Score: 1

    There's one that almost every class does where the textbook describes a monkey in a tree who drops just as the hunter shoots. Does the monkey get hit?

    Yes, as the prof. demonstrates with a stuffed monkey (a la toy), a magnet, and an arrow launcher. Arrow falls at the same rate as the monkey, who occasionally gets it in the crotch.

    Standing ovation every time.

    Of course, I also had to give props to my prof who once simulated a ONE FARAD capacitor, using a bunch of D-cell NiCads with a common metal bus. He was able to charge it up and vaporize a straightened coat hanger with one touch (he wore gloves).

  68. Shoot the monkey... by curtis · · Score: 2

    If anyone still remembers their old junior high (maybe even high school and college!) text books, they'll never forget the "Shoot the Monkey" experiments that proves projectile motion and more simply that gravity is not governed by mass.

    In a nutshell, drop an object with just gravity effecting it's fall and aim a projectile at it, since they fall at the same rate, the projectile will hit the falling object every time.

    Of course, they always use a falling monkey and a sling shot in the text books, it just cracks me up.

    1. Re:Shoot the monkey... by po_boy · · Score: 2

      Yeah, that's a great demonstration. We actually had a contraption to do this. A pinball was shot out of a tube across the room. When it left the barrel of the "gun", it tripped a switch which turned off the electromagnet holding the "monkey" coffee can. They hit about halfway down every time. I thought it was pretty cool, too.

    2. Re:Shoot the monkey... by dgenr8 · · Score: 1

      YES. I agree. I immediately thought of this experiment. Would have moderated you up if I had the power.

  69. The Beautiful Fat Man, Detonated at Alamagordo, NM by cdaley · · Score: 1
    The most beautiful experiement in physics has got to be the detonation of the first implosion-type atomic bomb. Sure, it may have led to some horrors and paranoia later, but in that instant it was nothing but the pure conversion of mass into energy, all according to the most famous physics equation ever: E = mc^2, and the biggest dang man-made BANG in history. An incredible number of theories were utilized and then proven in that one device, and all worked together to create a SUN, right here on Earth! What could be more beautiful than that? And that surreal mushroom cloud...amazing.

  70. If you want inexpensive... by restless_ne'erdowell · · Score: 2, Funny

    You can't beat Schrodinger's Cat!

  71. Bending Spacetime in the Basement by Noetist · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "The time has come," the Hacker said,
    "To talk of many things:
    Of plastic foam--and tuna cans--
    Of chunks of lead--and string--
    And how the force of gravity--
    Will make the balance swing."

    The above is from John Walker's excellent website. He conducted the Cavendish experiment in his basement.

    - Monica

    1. Re:Bending Spacetime in the Basement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That guy really gets around.

      Did he do the experiment before he went to the Taliban?

  72. Induction Furnace by PantyChewer · · Score: 1

    I thought this was one of the coolest demonstrations when I was at university. Drop a cube of steel between the coils of the induction furnace, watch it float in the air suspended by magnetism while getting hot enough to turn into liquid then plunk down into a bucket of sand when the thing is shut off.

  73. Michelson measuring the speed of light... by sisukapalli1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was in school, this was the most fascinating thing that I ever read about. Simple mirrors and rotation. Ofcourse, the Young's double slit experiment is also fascinating, but I didn't understand it when I was in School :)

    More info at a link I got from Google: http://www.phys.virginia.edu/classes/109N/lectures / pedlite.html

    S

  74. along those lines.... by battlemarch · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was thinking of the pencil test :-)

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  75. What Constitutes Beauty in Physics? by belloc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wrote a paper last year entitled "On Mathematical Beauty", which was mostly a philosophical work on whether it was proper to mathematics to be called beautiful, and if so, what one might mean by calling a particular bit of mathematics "beautiful".

    So in light of that, I'm interested in seeing what people mean when they say that a physics experiment is "beautiful". If we can figure out what we mean by that (i.e., whether we mean "beautiful" in the same way as when we call a car or woman or building "beautiful"), then maybe that will help us decide which is the *most* beautiful.

    Belloc

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    1. Re: What Constitutes Beauty in Physics? by NorthDude · · Score: 1

      What Constitutes Beauty in Physics?

      The answer...

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  76. Fermi by chenzhen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fermi problems cover virtually any area of physics and serve to train the most fundamental part of being a physicist- the ability to think as one. From simple things, like the average energy imparted to your forehead by a single raindrop, to calculating the strength of a nuclear explosion from the drift of paper shreds, Fermi problems emphasize efficiency of logic and intuition to understand the natural universe.

  77. OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Informative

    Eratosthenes accurately estimated the diameter and circumference of the earth with a stick. That's beauty.

    Quite right. This beautiful experiment is explained and recreated in Carl Sagan's Cosmos series. Not only that, but Eratosthenes did this many years Before Christ. By the time that Christopher Columbus petitioned the royal court for funding for three ships to sail westward from Portugal to India, scientists already knew the circumference of the earth pretty damn well. Well enough to know there was no way in hell Columbus would ever make it. But in 1492 -- and this is still true today, unfortunately -- the intelligent advice of scientists was disregarded by the rulers were blinded by visions of wealth and power and the Queen funded Columbus' journey. Turns out, unbeknownst to anyone, that Columbus' ass was saved because there was a land mass closer than halfway. Columbus decided that since he had sailed west to get to India, and ran into some land, had indeed reached India and proclaimed the inhabitants Indians -- a misnomer which exists to this day.

    Although Eratosthenes was a true genius the world hails Christopher Columbus as a hero even though his accomplishment was sheer accident. What does this tell you about how the world views science and scientists?

    GMD

  78. Photon as a particle or a wave by October_30th · · Score: 1

    I was once caught off guard by a philosophy student in my physics class. She asked me if the trouble with waves and particles is a "Wittgensteinian problem". That is, do we lack the proper language (=what is both a particle and a wave) to describe what's going on at the quantum level.

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    1. Re:Photon as a particle or a wave by Captn+Pepe · · Score: 2

      Answer: nope. We can describe these phenomena perfectly well, in a language called mathematics. Sure it takes some years to gain fluency in, but so does German.

      I hope someone said something similar to your friend the philosophy student.

      To be clear, I'm not one of those string theorists who claim that reality itself is a mathematical construct, to which we ascribe some "physical" process to make ourselves feel better about it. They would say, write down the equations and that's all there is. Believe me, I know several of them. However, quantum mechanical objects can be completely described mathematically, and as such you can't hope to describe them more precisely in some other language.

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    2. Re:Photon as a particle or a wave by October_30th · · Score: 1

      Yet we know that mathematics can never be completely self-consistent...

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    3. Re:Photon as a particle or a wave by SEE · · Score: 2

      No. They can be completely self-consistent. The problem is that any mathematical system depends on axioms that cannot be proven within the system. However, to use mathematics as a descriptive language does not require that the axioms be proven; they merely need to be definable in mathematical language.

      With the simple neologism "wavicle", you can talk about them in English, too. The problem is that wave-particle duality is contrary to our normal experience, so anybody who doesn't deal with it regularly has a hard time undestanding it. But it's the same problem as teaching musical composition to someone who has never heard music.

      You can play a piece for them, and you can describe melodies and harmonies very precisely in terms of mathematical ratios. But the student isn't going to really understand what musical composition is about until you continually expose them to music for a long period of time.

    4. Re:Photon as a particle or a wave by snol · · Score: 1

      sure it can, just not complete. people keep trying to bend Godel to say that mathematical systems are inconsistent - it's still very possible to have a consistent theory, it just will never be able prove the truth or falsehood of every statement that can be expressed in the language of that theory.

  79. The monkey experiment by JordoCrouse · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have always been a fan of the monkey in the tree experiment.

    The setup story goes like this:

    There is hunter walking through the forest, and he sees a monkey in the distance in a tree. He shoots at the monkey. Well, the monkey is so startled by the gunshot that he falls out of the tree at the same instant that the gun is fired. The bullet still hits the monkey. How is this so?


    Basically this takes advantage of the fact everything falls at the same rate. You set up a gun of some sort (with a round projectile), and you set up a "tree" with the monkey a distance way. The gun and the monkey should be at the exact same height. The trick is to then fire the gun and drop the monkey at the same instant. The projectile should hit the monkey every time.

    This experiment is a pain to get setup correctly, but it is pretty cool when it is successful. I couldn't find any video of it on the web, maybe somebody else can find some.

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    1. Re:The monkey experiment by wurp · · Score: 3, Funny

      The problem is that this is wrong. The hunter accomodates for the bullet falling when he aims, so if the monkey falls it is still falling away from where the bullet would hit.

      The real reason it still hits the monkey is that bullets are fucking fast.

    2. Re:The monkey experiment by Wdi · · Score: 1

      Right. Bullets are faster than the speed of sound, so at the moment the monkey hears the shoot, it has already been hit.

    3. Re:The monkey experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a pretty shitty setup story then, because it blatantly ignores the speed of sound. The monkey's not going to hear anything until the bullet goes past.

    4. Re:The monkey experiment by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      I always wondered, if bullets are faster than the speed of sound, do they cause a sonic boom when they break the sound barrier? Is that sound part of the very loud noise heard when the gun fires? If so, why does a silencer stop it? Why does the noise vary between calibres of firearm? Someone please enlighten me as to how exactly this works... As far as I know whenever an object breaks the sound barrier a LARGE booming noise is created. I have never noticed this effected with firearms, even though bullets are said to excede the speed of sound.

      Kintanon

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    5. Re:The monkey experiment by gr0k · · Score: 1

      A thunderclap, rifle shot and whip-crack are tiny sonic booms. Like the boom of a supersonic airplane, they are created by shock waves - sudden increases in air pressure.

      See:

      http://www.museumofaviation.org/kids_hangar/snd_ba rrier.htm

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    6. Re:The monkey experiment by Ossifrage · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, the hunter aims high enough that the length of the arc travelled by the bullet is enough longer than the direct path of the sound that the monkey has time to hear and fall before the bullet gets there ("there" being the intersection of the arc of the bullet and the path of the monkey as it falls...)

    7. Re:The monkey experiment by Questioning · · Score: 1

      The shock wave will travel at the speed of sound, meaning that the monkey will not drop at the same time the bullet starts. The bullet will already have a faster downward velocity when the monkey drops down.

  80. I think Tacoma Narrows takes the cake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All you physics freaks, stuck in your labs..

    Here in the real world, the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse was the most beautiful experiment of all time. The film taken of concrete flexing was absolutely astounding.

    Other cool experiments:
    a) fill a balloon with xenon then drop it;
    b) dropping a big chunk of cesium into a tank of water;
    c) thermite. You can never go wrong with a thermite reaction.

  81. Quantum Mechanics by russianspy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think that any experiment that makes people think "outside the box" can be called beautiful.

    I forget what this one is called, but it goes something like this:

    You have a light source on one end. Screen on another (a fairly long rail connecting the two.

    Put a piece of horizontaly polarized glass between light and screen - the intensity of light on the screen is cut in half.

    Add another piece of (vertically this time) polarized glass - there is virutally no light going through.

    Lastly - add a piece of polarized glass that's at about 45 degrees half way in between the other two. What do you expect to see on the screen?

    1. Re:Quantum Mechanics by Salsaman · · Score: 2
      "What do you expect to see on the screen?"


      Cowboy Neal ?

      I give up...what would you expect to see ?

    2. Re:Quantum Mechanics by ndevice · · Score: 1

      12.5% of the light on the screen, I believe (showing that polarising light is not a classical physics thing)

    3. Re:Quantum Mechanics by po_boy · · Score: 2

      Are you sure that it's not "all of the light"?

    4. Re:Quantum Mechanics by Salsaman · · Score: 1

      Hmmm...that's what I was thinking...

    5. Re:Quantum Mechanics by cduffy · · Score: 1

      It's most certainly not all of the light -- *some* light is lost at each stage. The reason that not all the light is lost with the intermediate polaroid in place is that while the first one eliminates the x vector and leaves the y vector, and the third one eliminates the y vector and leaves the x vector, the one in-between splits the light that survived (the y vector from the first) and leaves only a single vector -- from its angle. From the angles of the first or third, however, the second allowed some light through either way. Because this vector isn't all "the wrong way" for the third polaroid, it has a component which survives.

      This would be waaay easier to explain if I could draw something here, but hopefully the explanation provided suffices. Anyhow, though, as the fellow before said -- 12.5% makes it through.

  82. Note: must change what people thought by Otter · · Score: 2
    A lot of the comments seem to be missing the requirement that the experiment "must change what people thought." Foucault's Pendulum and the Millikan oil drop experiment were supremely elegant but neither changed anyone's minds about anything. (At least, not to my admittedly lacking knowledge. Please tell me otherwise if that's wrong.)

    Two slit interference, on the other hand, is a perfect case of what they're looking for. Of course, whether overturning existing ideas is a prequisite for beauty is another issue...

    In molecular biology, I'd nominate the Crick and Brenner determination of codon size as the most beautiful ever.

  83. same experiement with a bubble level by obtuse · · Score: 1

    Take a bubble level, and slide it back & forth. The bubble moves in the direction of accelleration.

    I noticed this before I encountered the ballon problem, and realized that the liquid was moving in the expected direction, and so pushing the bubble to the opposite end.

    Not the most beautiful, but easy enough to perform at home that I look forward to showing it to my children.

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  84. WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Sebastopol · · Score: 5, Informative

    it is an amorphous solid, refer to this urban legend...

    An Urban Legend

    The legend usually appears in any of the following forms:

    Antique windowpanes are thicker at the bottom, because glass has flowed to the bottom over time.

    Glass has no crystalline structure, hence it is NOT a solid.

    Glass is a supercooled liquid.

    Glass is a liquid that flows very slowly.

    Glass is a liquid.
    The prolonged survival of this legend, chiefly among English speakers (and particularly among North Americans) is puzzling -- especially when one considers that glass and glassy materials are readily available, and one can easily verify if one can pour a gallon of glass, or drain a pint of obsidian.

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    1. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by rabidcow · · Score: 1

      and one can easily verify if one can pour a gallon of glass, or drain a pint of obsidian.

      Or a funnel of pitch?

      But seriously, if you see the funnel itself dripping in a hundred years or so, THEN you can say glass is a "supercooled liquid".

    2. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by A+Bugg · · Score: 1

      You know its funny, saying glass is not a liquid is like saying water is never a solid, cause we know thats untrue, it all depends on the temperature of the specimen. Trust me I have blown glass before and it is most certainly a liquid above 1300 C.
      A Bugg

    3. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Dynedain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, old window panes DO get fatter at the bottom as the glass "slumps". I am living in a 106 year old victorian house with large pane windows, many of which are original. The windows have slumped over the years and are fatter at the base, with noticeable distortion in that region.

      Furthermore, several of the windows have up to 1 inch gaps between the top of the pane and the window frame. Pray tell how that would happen if the glass was not slowly drooping.

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    4. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've blown glass? You pervert!

    5. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have they been that way as long as you can remember?

      Have you considered that maybe the glass was still hot when it was installed in the frame?

      Anyhow, if glass did flow that fast, it should be easily noticable in newer houses as well.

    6. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by pclminion · · Score: 2
      I've been told this is due to the way sheets of glass were manufactured back then. They took a blob of glass, put it on the end of a rod, and rotated the rod very quickly. This flattened the glass into a thin disk. However, the disk was slightly thicker on the edge than in the middle.

      Then they cut the glass disk into panes. They mounted the thicker end at the bottom of the window frame because that's obviously more stable than mounting it at the top.

    7. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by c_jonescc · · Score: 1

      Too true. Glass does flow in old house windows. The parent article that argues that it doesn't makes the rediculous argument that maybe "all those old windows were just put up that way". As far as optics not changing over the course of a few days, I suspect (and of course, I don't KNOW) that it has very much to do with quality of glass, and fundamental material.

      Anyway, the problem comes from the initial definition of solid. It is not unusual to simply define solid as crystalline, leaving glass out of the grouping because it is amorphous. Ever do x-ray scattering off glass? No peaks. But if you choose to call things that don't change "under reasonable forces" solid, then glass is as well. But I claim that that is a very poor definition. See the parent about pitch!

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    8. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Kintanon · · Score: 3, Informative

      NO NO NO! My god you people are totally ignorant of victorian construction methods!
      A. Glass does flow, over a GEOLOGIC TIMESCALE. In 200 years, a sheet of glass will not have changed as the result of normal flow.

      B. Victorian windows are thicker at the bottom because their glass creation technique sucked at making thin sheets all the same size. There are gaps at the top of the windows because over time the wood SHRINKS because it wasn't pressure treated in victorian construction. This accounts for the gap and the thickness issue at the bottom.

      So, yes, glass does flow, but you sure as hell aren't going to notice the effects in a 200 year old house.

      Kintanon

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    9. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Sebastopol · · Score: 2

      1" in gaps? So it should be 1/4" in 25 years, by your claim.

      Hmm, seems like there are millions of 25 year old houses that aren't rushing out to plug the gaps in their sagging windows. Read my original link.

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    10. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Everach · · Score: 1

      Mr. Wizard declared that glass is a liquid in solid form in Episode 23: Bending Glass.

      All we need is McGuyver's opinion and we're all set.

    11. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Gaber · · Score: 1

      The parent of this comment needs to be modded up.

      The idea that glass flows on ~100 year time scales is one of the most pervasive misconceptions in science. Glass flows on geologic time scales, not on ~100 year time scales.

      -Gabe

    12. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Phanatic1a · · Score: 4, Informative

      Glass doesn't even flow on geological time scales. Glass will not flow, period, unless it rises above its transition temperature, Tg. For plain old window glass, and in the limiting case of infinite time, Tg is over 250 degrees C. On shorter time scales, it's over 500 C.

      Glass does not flow. It is an amorphous solid with a shear viscosity well, well in excess of 1014.6 Poise, placing it well, well within the solid regime. If it flowed on even geologic time scales, flow would certainly be observed in telescope mirrors and other optics that are precise down to fractional wavelengths.

      Jesus. Go read the link that was posted earlier. There's nothing pisses me off like people who ignore readily available information in favor of propagating the same old misinformation.

    13. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a 1" gap can easily be explained by three things that do not include flowing of glass.
      1: wood rot and putty flowing out of where it belongs.
      2: very bad carpenters didn't set the window points right
      3: seasonal movement of the house and windows for 100 years.
      Or maybe all of the above.

      Here's another bit of evidence that glass does not flow which no one has mentioned yet: Roman and even more ancient Egyptian glass has been found intact in its origional form, rather than as shapeless blobs. Some of their glasswork combined colours and layers which have remained distinct, and lids still fit on jars. Sealed glass vessels have stayed sealed.

      Sorry dude, glass does not flow.

    14. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Gaber · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the correction. I was going to say "replace 'Geologic time' with 'Hubble time'", but even that's not right. After doing some more reading (http://www.glassnotes.com/WindowPanes.html, e.g.), I feel a little more informed.

      -Gabe

    15. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by spoon42 · · Score: 1
      Not quite.

      If you'd even read the entire page that you linked, you would have seen that while saying "Glass is a liquid." is wrong, simply saying "Glass is a solid." is also inaccurate. Even just taking the effort to scroll down to the conclusion:
      Glasses are amorphous solids. There is a fundamental
      structural divide between amorphous solids (including glasses)
      and crystalline solids. Structurally, glasses are similar to
      liquids, but that doesn't mean they are liquid. It is possible
      that the "glass is a liquid" urban legend originated with a
      misreading of a German treatise on glass thermodynamics.


      Also (the key phrase being 'for practical purposes'):
      [...] The viscosity of the supercooled melt continues to
      increase as the temperature is reduced until a range of
      temperatures [around a point called Tg] is reached, below
      which the material is for most practical purposes a solid.


      At the very least, recognize that because "Antique windowpanes are thicker at the bottom, because glass has flowed to the bottom over time." is an urban legend, does not necessarily mean that glass is absolutely an unchanging solid. Buried somewhere in my notes for a materials science class is a calculation of how much, in fact, a glass window would sag over 100 years. The result couldn't be measured with a micrometer, much less visible by the naked eye.

      Finally, draining a pint of obsidian would be easy enough, if you could find something that wouldn't melt to drain it into while the obsidian was still lava. Ya know, like a lava flow? eh?

      I give up. Any more "Informative" on Slashdot is about as "informative" as the local news.
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    16. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol... good one. =)

    17. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, I guess what you are trying to say is "glass does not flow".

      The comment above is brought to you by the department of redundency.

    18. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Mezza · · Score: 1

      I think part of the problem with this is people confusing the words 'liquid' and 'fluid'. People say glass is fluid, i don't know if it is or not, but they then equate fluid with liquid, which is obviously very wrong. At least, thats what i've observed.

    19. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 2

      I give up. Any more "Informative" on Slashdot is about as "informative" as the local news.

      Yes, but SlashDot is about "Stuff That Matters!" :)

    20. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Dynedain · · Score: 2

      you want to see photographs of the gaps? They do exist.

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    21. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Dynedain · · Score: 2

      Actually, most glass panes from the period (especially when dealing with 3'x4' sheets) was produced by floating the molten glass on a bed of mercury, hence why it is called "float glass"

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  85. Not F*****s P******m by CharlieG · · Score: 2

    OK first the reason for the asterisks - if you ask about Foucault's Pendulum on the Model Eng mailing list, you WILL cause a stink - it caused the longest running thread a few years back

    Anyway doing Foucault's Pendulum is NOT easy. You need a LONG Pendulum, a SOLID building, a heavy bob and preferably no drafts

    The Gent on the ModelEng list tried to do it in an old barn silo, and it didn't work, as the silo moved too much

    BTW I was told that research at the University of Quito has shown that the Foucault Pendulum doesn't work

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    1. Re:Not F*****s P******m by rark · · Score: 2

      > BTW I was told that research at the University of
      > Quito has shown that the Foucault Pendulum doesn't
      > work

      Seems to work okay for the Smithsonian

    2. Re:Not F*****s P******m by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? No troll points for the Quito reference? For shame...

    3. Re:Not F*****s P******m by CharlieG · · Score: 2

      You missed the joke - University of Quito - Look it up on the map, and think

      (Hint - It's in the middle of the tropics)

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    4. Re:Not F*****s P******m by rark · · Score: 2

      oh. D'oh!!!

      (note to self: engage brain before posting)

  86. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by banuaba · · Score: 2

    Eratosthenes' experiment notwithstanding, sailing ships taught us the world was round in a very accesible way... on a clear day, the hull of the boat dissapears over the horizon before the crow's nest does.

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  87. GI Taylor and the Viscosity experiment by monsoon · · Score: 1

    I'd nominate any of several experiments by GI Taylor. I remember a few years ago watching this cool black & white film in which he demonstrated viscosity by stirring two viscous liquids (of different colors), into a spiral, and then un-stirring them back again...

    M

  88. Furthermore... by Spurion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recall setting up a transparent cuboid (glass or perspex, I forget) to totally internally reflect light off one of its faces. When a second transparent cuboid was placed very close to the reflecting face, some light passed from the first cuboid into the second, and was visible coming out of the second cuboid. It happened even though the two blocks were not quite touching. This is a very simple way to demonstrate quantum tunneling.

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  89. Fractals by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2

    If you want beauty, I vote for fractals and chaos mathematics, and their applications. How 'bout diving into the Mandelbrot set?

    There's also an experiment you can try if you have a handy particle accelerator; defocus it and fire some electrons at a sheet of lexan. Then touch a grounded wire to the side of the sheet. The electrons, embedded into the face of the plastic will rush to ground, creating pathways that other electrons will follow. The result is a fractal tree. You may have to play with the intensity and run-time, though.

  90. Why not M-M? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2

    Remind me why students can't build an interferometer, again?

    My old high school had all of the required equipment (had a holography lab at one point).

  91. Ice breaking steal by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 2

    I don't know if this really counts as changing the way people think about science, but it certainly changed the way I thought about my Science teacher...

    The "classic" version of the experiment is to fill a steal ball with water and seal it shut. If you place the ball in the freezer, the next day you'll find that the force of crystallization was stronger than the steal and the ball will be split in two.

    My High School physics teacher got a hold of some liquid nitrogen and wanted to do whole experiment during class. So he prepared the steal ball, filled a glass beaker (yes, glass) with the liquid nitrogen, and set the ball in. As everyone gathered around up close to watch, he did have a brief moment of sanity and decided that, perhaps he should move the whole thing into a bucket instead. And maybe we shouldn't stand quite so close. So he poured the whole thing into a plastic (yes, plastic) bucket, added more liquid nitrogen to account for the increased volume, and we waited.

    The force was not only enough to break the steal ball, but enough to shatter the bottom of the bucket too. He didn't have enough liquid nitrogren left to demonstrate that a rose will shatter if frozen, but we kinda saw that effect already...

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  92. My personal favorite by NorthDude · · Score: 1

    physic experiment was the one in 1997 done in my father's car with my first girlfriend. I proved Einstein to be wrong. When the acceleration I applied was great, I tough that an hour as passed, but to her it was only a minute. And when I limited my acceleration as much as I could, 15 minutes to her were like years to me. Go figure!

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  93. Michelson-Morely: unconventional wisdom by Mad+Man · · Score: 1

    According to the following item by James P. Hogan, later MM type experiments -- using more accurate instruments -- showed that the Earth doesn't move through an "ether," as was originally thought, but does rotate in an local "ether" field that orbits the sun with the Earth.

    I don't know if Michelson's 1925 results were ever reproduced by anyone else.

    Hogan proposed that the MM experiment be conducted using spacecraft outside of the geosphere to settle the question, because conducting the experiment on Earth is like "trying to measure our airspeed with our pitot tube inside the cabin instead of outside in the atmosphere."

    I've highlighted the relevant parts in bold, for those of you that want to skip the introduction.

    http://www.jamesphogan.com/bb/archives/relativity. shtml#081797

    SUGGESTED NASA EXPERIMENT Posted on August 17, 1997

    RELATIVITY EXPERIMENT


    A couple of weeks ago, a friend of mine at NASA invited me to submit any suggestions I might have for possible experiments to be carried out by future mission, involving advance physics. Since a few people have been in touch regarding the skepticism I've expressed in the past about the basis of Relativity, I thought my response might be of general interest, and so reproduce it below.

    [To give credit where due, a virtually identical proposal was submitted to NASA some years ago by the late engineer and metallurgical consultant, Carl Zapffe. Nothing came of it. If anyone thinks I'm way off the mark, I'd be happy to hear from them.]

    Dear Les,
    Herewith the following, offered in response to your invitation.

    INTERFEROMETRY BEYOND THE TERRESTRIAL MAGNETOPAUSE

    The Einstein Special Relativity Theory (SRT), we all "know," forms one of the cornerstones of modern physics. Its predictions are utilized on a routine basis, and it has withstood every experimental test.

    These predictions boil down, essentially, to applications of the principles of (i) mass-energy equivalence (E=mc*2), (ii) mass dependence on velocity, and (iii) time dilation. Experiments verifying these relationships have been performed with increasing precision in the course of the past century. These are the proofs that the textbooks cite in support of SRT, and which its defenders point to when questions are raised concerning Relativity basics.

    But it turns out that _all_ of them can be derived by purely classical procedures, independently of any Relativistic considerations. They don't say anything unique about SRT at all. (i) follows from the principle of conservation of momentum and Maxwell's equations. Carl Zapffe gives three derivations in his book "A Reminder on E+mc*2
    (sic)," with numerous references that show how it was implicit in the physics known at the end of the nineteenth century. Regarding (ii), Petr Beckmann, in his "Einstein Plus Two" (1987), shows how the increase of "mass" with velocity arises as a manifestation of the electrical inertia of charges moving through fields--analogous to aerodynamic drag.

    Essentially, these are effects arising from the energy differences of relatively moving systems. The question they lead to is whether the results observed regarding (iii) (e.g. the extended lives of cosmic-ray muons) are in fact confirmation of "time" being dilated, as per SRT, or result from the physical slowing-down of clocklike processes in motion through a field. The only way to test this empirically would be to sit on an incoming muon and observe whether the laboratory clocks (at rest in the field) also slow down (as the observer-referred SRT holds) or speed up (as a field-referred theory would predict). This has never been done. (A whole literature exists on all this, but I don't think that here would be the place to elaborate further.)

    So, the standard proofs turn out not to be proofs at all. All that's left, then, is the interpretation of the 1881 Michelson-Morley attempt to measure an "ether wind," and its many variations performed since.

    The null results returned by these experiments have two possible interpretations: (1) There is no ether; (2) the ether local to the Earth is entrained in its orbit around the Sun. (1), of course, is the orthodox line. The constancy of the speed of light for all observers is a _postulate_ that follows from accepting this interpretation. Contrary to common belief, it has never been verified experimentally. (The claimed verifications all involve round-trip measurements that average out the c+/-v velocities that arise in field-referred theories.) Having thus conferred constancy on a velocity, it then becomes necessary to distort space and time in order to preserve it. This, in effect, is what the transformation equations of SRT do.

    Treating the ether as a quasi-mechanical fluid was a natural consequence of the advances in materials sciences in the nineteenth century; the peculiar properties that followed from viewing it in this way make the readiness to go with interpretation (1), and abandon the ether altogether, understandable. The situation changes considerably, however, when reviewed in terms of today's ideas of fields (which isn't to say that the concept of fields was unknown then, of course). In particular, it has been shown (e.g. by Beckmann) that the results of all the experiments performed to date, normally taken as evidence supporting SRT, are equally consistent with an alternative interpretation in which the velocity of light is constant not with respect to the observer (as in SRT), but with respect to the field environment through which the light propagates. The difference is that the derivations follow more simply, without the distortions of space and time, and the accompanying mathematical complications of SRT; also, the field-referred theory has greater predictive power (e.g in enabling derivation of the spectral line spacings for the hydrogen atom). By the criteria normally claimed of science-- equally compatible with experimental results; simpler; more powerful predictively--this would become the preferred theory.

    And, indeed, when thought of as the terrestrial electromagnetic field environment, the "ether" is indeed entrained and moves with the Earth in its orbit around the Sun. The plots from NASA's own space probes show nothing clearer than the sharply defined boundary of the terrestrial magnetosphere ("geosphere"), extending out to about ten Earth radii, elongated like a teardrop pointing away from the Sun, forming a huge shock front around which the solar wind streams like the slipstream outside the hull of an airplane. And here, in our laboratories solidly nailed to our planet deep inside this bubble, is where, for a century, we have been attempting to measure our orbital slipstream. But, if the field-referred proposal is correct, that slipstream exists not in the vicinity of the Earth at all, but at the boundary where the embedded geosphere meets the magnetic "heliosphere" of the Sun (and very likely moves with it through a greater "galactosphere"). We've been trying to measure our airspeed with our pitot tube inside the cabin instead of outside in the atmosphere.

    (The geosphere travels with the Earth but does not appear to rotate with it. Accordingly, a suitable Michelson-Morely type of experiment performed on the Earth's surface ought to be capable of detecting a "rotational wind"--although it would need to be far more sensitive than the 1881 experiment. Such an experiment was performed in 1925 by Michelson and Gale. Not only was a fringe shift observed, but it was possible to calculate the Earth's rotational velocity quite accurately from the results. Michelson himself was never enthusiastic about the orthodox interpretation, and continued to favor the entrained-ether alternative until his death.)

    I would propose, therefore, an interferometry experiment designed along the lines of the Michelson-Morely prototype, but taking advantage of today's technologies, to be performed from a spacecraft _outside_ the geosphere boundary--preferably trailing the craft itself, to eliminate possible shielding effects within the structure. On emerging from the geosphere, the craft would be moving through the heliosphere with its shared orbital velocity of the Earth around the Sun, direct measurement of which should be easily accomplished if the field-centered hypothesis is valid. Thus, for the first time ever, an experiment would have been performed to distinguish between the observer-referred theory (SRT) and the alternative.

    Should the results prove positive, such methods of "astro- interferometry" should be of particular interest to an organization like NASA because of the potential usefulness of the techniques that could follow, especially with regard to longer-range space missions in the future. For example, the fringe behavior might offer the basis for a spacegoing _odometer_ and _speedometer_ for measuring displacements and velocities relative to local (solar, planetary, or other) embedding fields. Also, the transitions between field domains could provide a means of _cosmographic mapping_ of a field-structured Solar System, and maybe of the interstellar environment beyond.

    James P. Hogan

    July 15, 1997

  94. So.. by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    You are disputing the fact that light behaves both as a particle and as a wave?

    That flies in the face of a great many years of modern physics you know.

    Saying they are particles that propgate as waves is innacurate, of course.. it is merely light, and exhibits properties of both.

    1. Re:So.. by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      You are disputing the fact that light behaves both as a particle and as a wave?

      No. Let me be clear. I am not at all saying that. Light does behave as both a particle and a wave.

      Saying they are particles that propgate as waves is innacurate, of course..

      That's what I'm saying.

      A robot is a computer that behaves like a human. A robot is not a human.

      Light is a wave. It's a quantized transverse wave, but it's still a wave.

  95. The Slashdot Effect by little_fluffy_clouds · · Score: 1


    The Slashdot Effect, whereby a shitload of webusers on a shitload of geographically separate machines all attempt to access one poor little webserver, more often than not apparently running on a Commodore 64 with the submitter playing Ghosts and Goblins in the background. The result is nearly always total overload and screaming admins who often will drink steadily for several days following the incident, costing taxpayers millions across any given year in rehabilitation of suddenly alcoholic tech gurus.

    --
    What were the skies like when you were young?
  96. Try this... by Tropaios · · Score: 1

    I have no idea what this "experiment" would be called, nor do I fully understand the principals behind it, but here it is.

    Equipment needed:
    1) 1 round Bic (tm) pen.
    2) 1 flat, hard, and smooth surface (wood laminate or glass table works well)
    3) several yards of room with high ceiling space

    Set up:
    1) careful as to avoid damage to the pen casing remove the pen tip and end piece from the shaft

    Method:
    1) Place pen, lying down, on hard surface
    2) Place two fingers, one one each end of the pen
    3) Press down with a significant amount of force with your fingers
    4) slowly roll your fingers back toward you with the intent in mind of causing the pen to "shoot out" from under your fingers
    5) watch as the pen floats away, looping gracefully through the air.

    It can be tricky to do right when first starting out, but soon you will be wasting several minutes/hours/days having fun with floating pens. Or maybe not.

  97. Control a real goldfish by Dr.A.M.Muis · · Score: 1

    http://www.d00p.nl/edu/g67/KLB/projects/IEP/fish.a sp The fish can be controlled by the user. This experiment was started in 1998 in the Knowledge Media Design Institute and Department of Computer Science. Dr. A.M. Muis and Dr. G.H. Venom of the Department of Electrical Computer Engineer have created the signal-inplationer. In short, the signal-inplationer sends waveform data (converted mididata) to a CEC-7. The electric signals control the brainwaves of the fish. This allows you as the user to control the direction in which the fish swims. The fish is now almost for three months online. You can give it a try, using the keys. Note: the signals cause the fish no pain or other harmful consequences. The system works totally callous for the fish

    --
    Control a real goldfish
  98. What were they skies like when you were young by OzPhIsH · · Score: 1

    Hey, from your name and sig, I just had to assume you're an Orb fan. Just wanted to give you a 'virtual high-five' if you will. Listening to the Orb is like giving your conscience a complete overhaul. I love em! Yeah offtopic, so sue me. What are you going to do, mod me down? so what...

    --

    "To lead the people, you must walk behind them"

  99. Re:Two slit -- YIKES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife claims that this is not a very good experiment at all.

  100. Twinkies! by The+MoMo+King · · Score: 1

    I like anything to do with Twinkies.

  101. Explosions! by sam_handelman · · Score: 2

    Look, we all went to high school (at least for a little while, I'm sure) so we all know that the best experiments are the ones that end in an explosion. Unfortunately, most of the good experiments are generally regarded as chemistry, and not physics (an atificial distinction, I am aware.)

    The very best experiment, however, which certainly satisfied at least the "changed worldview" requirement, took place in the nevada desert in 1945, and was carried out primarily by physicists. Now, two kids go to their science fair:

    Cindy - I measured the speed of light by observing jupiter's moons!
    Kelly - I have first strike capability!

    Who's going to win? I don't know how much enriched uranium you really need to make a nuclear bomb - all published figures are inflated - but they make lawn furniture out of it in the former soviet bloc, so I'm sure you can get some. After that you just need an enclosed container, an explosive, a little engineering knowhow and a healthy contempt for human life. With the plane tickets to and from eastern europe, I anticipate the whole deal costing less than $5,000 US for the fanatically inclined hobbyist. Admittedly, it costs more than a piece of cardboard with slits in it, but it's a lot more satisfying.

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    The good and new comes from no quarter where it is looked for, and is always something different from what is expected.
  102. It's got to be the spring cannon by f0dder · · Score: 1

    Who doensn't like pretending to blow up stuff with insane accuracy.

    It's got everything
    Hooks law
    Law of gravity

    Application of simple algebra

    Did i mention you get to shoot stuff

  103. Oh but he is right. It is relevant. by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    It moves forward, as others said, because the air in the back becomes more dense, the air at the front, less dense, so the helium balloon moves away from the dense area.

    The air in the back is more dense because the car is accellerating.
    Similarly, the air is more dense near the surface of the earth because of gravity.

    And as we all know, gravity and accelleration are indistinguishable (locally).

    So. Both cause the balloon (via their effect on the atmosphere) to move opposite the vector the force is applied in.

    (In this case, G + accelleration would put it on an angle, but your balloon is on a string.. etc.. etc..)

    1. Re:Oh but he is right. It is relevant. by Kwantus · · Score: 1

      The ugly thing about those mechanical explanations is that you end up with a balloon detecting where to go on the basis of this very small pressure/density gradient. Which `feels' funny considering how decisive and `strong' even a wee toy balloon behaves ...

      I like the bubble-level varient too :)

  104. Hand drawn holograms by HighTeckRedNeck · · Score: 3, Informative

    The most beautiful experiment has to be Newton's light slit and prism showing that white light is actually made up of many other frequencies. From there young minds can be introduced to all sorts of things such as why sticks appear to be bent when half in water and at what angle they seem to disappear. But to really get them going, help them create a hand drawn hologram. http://www.amasci.com/amateur/holo1.html

  105. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by benwb · · Score: 2

    In Eratosthenes day the general feeling among learned people was that the world was a sphere. His great demonstration was not that- it was estimating the circumference of the earth to a remarkable degree of accuracy.

  106. Some ideas... by raytracer · · Score: 3, Informative
    The Michelson-Morely experiment was important because it basically put the nail in the coffin of the idea of the aether, but measurements of the speed of light had actually been done for literally centuries before. Many of these experiments can easily be duplicated with minimal equipment today. Check out http://www.central-jersey-sas.org/projects/speed_o f_light/index.html for some details. I also believe that there was a duplicate of MM in the Amateur Scientist column of Scientific American, which you can now get on CD (well worth getting for more ideas).


    From memory, some of the more interesting experiments the Amateur Scientist column include:

    • Construction of a wide variety of optical instruments such as microscopes, telescopes, spectrascopes, and Schlieren systems.
    • Dangerous projects like plasma jets, X-ray machines, solid fuel rockets and particle accelerators.
    • Several different kinds of lasers.
    • Foucault pendulums
    • Observations of earth satellites
    • Making diffraction gratings with a ruling engine.
    • Aerodynamics experiments with small planes using water


    Tons of goodies, all worth goofing around with. If you can't come up with some good ideas after leafing through this material, you just aren't trying.

  107. superconductivity by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

    In 1911, Heike Kamerlingh Onnes brought Mercury down to 4 Kelvin and witnessed a pure flow of un-resisted electricity.

    As an undergraduate, I had a chance to perform this numerous times with various substances in my senior lab at UCSD. There is nothing more beautiful in physics than watching the resistance of your sample suddenly plummet to zero. It's a simple experiment that dramatically prooves a surprising, and still largely unexplained phenomenon.

  108. Feynman's o-ring experiment by counterfeitfake · · Score: 1
    I have always thought that Richard Feynman's demonstration of how the space shuttle's o-ring material behaved in cold conditions was beautiful. Beautiful in it's simplicity. From this obituary:

    Frustrated by witnesses' vague answers and by slow bureaucratic procedures, he conducted an impromptu experiment that proved a key point in the investigation: He dunked a piece of the rocket booster's O-ring material into a cup of ice water and quickly showed that it lost all resiliency at low temperatures.

    Beautiful, because it took this theory that was being argued over, and cast it into complete, inarguable certainty that was easily understood by everyone.

  109. What's a student? by astrophysics · · Score: 1

    You'd think a mathematician would be more precise. Every year many university juniors do the Stern-Gerlag experiment, as well as mossbauer spectroscopy, optical pump of rubidium vapor, etc.. So can those count? Or do those students not count?

  110. Foucault's Pendulum by gabec · · Score: 1

    I didn't know what Foucault's Pendulum was, so here's something on it: http://www.1reviews.com/archive/read.php?f=3&i=488 9&loc=0&t=4889

  111. Frozen Waves by dougwhitehead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My favorite from high school was extremely simple. Use a "wave pool" (a pan and a mechanical device that dabs one or two prongs into the water at some frequency). Aim a strobe light at the pool and turn off the lights. When you match the wave frequency to the strobe, the waves seem to stand still. Of course, you are merely catching the flash at the same point on each wave. Move the strobe frequency a little slower and the waves creep out. A little faster and they creep back to the source. Two wave sources, and you get to see the effect of the interference pattern.

  112. Bowlingball on a string by msheppard · · Score: 5, Funny

    Saw this expierement, professor has a rope with a bowling ball tied to the end suspended from a high ceiling. Stand at one end of the room with the ball pulled back and just touching his nose. Professer them lets go of the ball and it swings across the room and returns just missing his nose.

    Of course, then stupid studnet comes back later that night to show a friend, holds the ball against his nose and gives it a sold PUSH...

    Beautiful.

    --
    Krispy Cream is people
    1. Re:Bowlingball on a string by markmoss · · Score: 2

      That might not be the most beautiful experiment, but it's got to be the simplest beautiful one. Of course, as performed by that student, it's an intelligence test (or at least, a test for understanding of some very basic physics)...

    2. Re:Bowlingball on a string by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is, every freshman should repeat this experiment? :-)

    3. Re:Bowlingball on a string by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I cared, and assuming the prof wasn't standing on a chair or whatever; one could easily figure out the hight of the room/length of the rope from the arc it would make without hitting the floor when the rope was vertical relative to the width of the room, and make some judgements on the plausability of the story from that.

      But I don't care.

  113. Define beauty? That's easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Natalie Portman ;)

  114. Circumference of the Earth by iaamoac · · Score: 1
    One of the ancient Greeks (?Eristothenes?) had a simple method for calculating the circumference of the earth. It was noticed that on a particular day of the year, the bottom of a well was not in shadow, or was it a post had no shadow. In other words, the sun was directly overhead. A town around 500 miles to the north of that well/post had a pole that cast a shadow on the same day at the same time. By measuring the height of the pole, the length of the the cast shadow, and the distance between the two towns, he came up with an amazingly accurate (for the times and equipment used) estimate of the circumference of the earth.

    The distance between the towns gave him the arc-length. The pole and shadow measurments gave him the angle. Together they formed a wedge of a circle, and it was simple to determine the circumference of the earth (the whole circle).

    How about them olives? Simple tools. Anyone with armed basic geometry can do it.

    Iaamoac

  115. Michelson-Morley Not That Difficult by ec_hack · · Score: 1
    most importantly, be within the reach of students (which leaves out Stern-Gerlach or Michelson-Morley)


    Strange, but I did the Michelson-Morley in the 70s as a physics undergrad at as a part of junior physics lab at Rice U. We used lasers and found that, despite the Lensman books, the aether had not appeared to fill up the cosmos.


    At times like these I miss Gharlane.

  116. Plasma fire by jabber01 · · Score: 2

    Take a fresh, large grape, and cut it in half so that there is still a piece of grape-skin connecting the halves. Place this on a plate, and microwave on HIGH. Watch the pretty light-show.

    A similarly interesting, and eventually decorative result, can be achieved by microwaving AOL CDs..

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    The REAL jabber has the user id: 13196
    What you do today will cost you a day of your life

  117. That is indeed what I said... by raytracer · · Score: 1

    Uh, I agree with you, and if you had read carefully, you would have seen that. Glass is an amorphous solid, and exhibits no flow at any kind of temperatures and pressures which one might encounter in one's day to day lifes. If glass flowed as easily as the anectdotal "look at these old windows, they look like they are flowing down" evidence would suggest, astronomical telescopes could not be made to perform for more than a few days, as changes in the shape of lenses and mirrors would reduce their effectiveness.

  118. As Homer Would Say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mmmmmmmm.... Tower of pizza...... auuughhhh

  119. Measurement of the speed of light by astrophysics · · Score: 2

    Galileo determined that light took finite time to travel and measured the speed of light. He used a crude telescope that third graders could build (if they bought a 1" lens), a clock, and grade school mathematics. The technique was to measure the time at which the Galilean satelites dissappeared and reappeared from behind the shaddow of Jupiter. Based on the difference between when the moons were observed to (dis)appear when the Earth and Jupiter were on opposite sides of the sun as opposed to when they were on the same side of the sun, we was able to determine that the speed of light was finite, the first step towards the developement of relativity. Of course, his measurements weren't very precise, since he didn't have a great measurement of the distance from the Earth to the Sun. In fact, once we had measured the speed of light in the laboratory, this technique was used to measure the distance from the Earth to the sun. I beleive this was the basis of the best measurements until the advent of radar (timing radio signals bounced off planets) and space probes (feeling the gravity of the planets).

    1. Re:Measurement of the speed of light by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      I thought that was Ole Romer, not Galileo.

      Oh, and Michelson measure the speed of light very accurately without radar and space probes, without using the distance from the Earth to the Sun.

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      Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
    2. Re:Measurement of the speed of light by David+Gould · · Score: 2


      My high school physics teacher described a pretty neat experiment that he had seen as a student -- in short, they measured the speed of light using a television set.

      They chose a location in a mostly flat area, where they could be at one corner of a triangle with the other points being a transmission tower and a nearby mountain (or some large landscape feature). When they tuned the television to the tower's channel, the picture had a faint afterimage, which they could deduce was caused by a reflection of the signal bouncing off the mountain. By measuring the distances between the three points, they could know how much extra distance the ghost signal was travelling, compared to the direct signal, and by knowing the trace frequency of the television and measuring the number of lines by which the afterimage was shifted, they could calculate the time. Result: speed of light.

      Well, I thought it was kinda cool.

      --
      David Gould
      main(i){putchar(340056100>>(i-1)*5&31|!!(i<6)<< 6)&&main(++i);}
    3. Re:Measurement of the speed of light by astrophysics · · Score: 2

      You're right it was Olaf Romer.

      Yes, Michelson measured the speed of light very accurately. That allowed the measurement of the time delay for the reappearance of Jupiter's moons to become a way of measuring the distance from the Earth to the Moon accurately.

  120. Today's students by pokeyburro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nowadays, the most likely experiment students would grasp would be the effects of beer.

    Seriously though... Anyone who went to UT Austin and took physics would likely have heard of Prof. Rory Coker and his Physics Circus. All sorts of beautiful experiments there. Among them was a demonstration of airflow. Put a three-foot high glass cylinder, open at both ends, over the top of a candle, the cylinder being flat on the table so no air gets in that way. The candle will go out, even though the top is still open. Do it the same way, and slip a simple piece of cardboard into the top of the cylinder, making an "outflow" and an "inflow". Even though the cardboard is maybe six inches long, it's enough to keep the candle from going out.

    Then there's the experiment where Coker gets on a bed of nails and has his assistant bust cement blocks on a piece of plywood on his stomach.

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    Lately democracy seems to be based on the skybox, the Happy Meal box, the X-box, and the idiot box.
  121. What?! no Stern-Gerlach?... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did Stern-Gerlach as a student, and I'm
    sure my lab partner would agree with me when I
    say it rocked. Beautiful data...

    (As opposed to Millikan's oil drop experiment...
    His grad student (who proposed the
    experiment and did all the work) must have
    gone blind in the process of watching all those little dots...)

  122. Maxwell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember being blown away by Maxwell's measurement of the speed of light. With his octagonal (I think) spinning mirror contraption.

  123. subsonic shaping by spasm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dunno if this one is true, but it stuck in my head as being deliciously elegant..

    Supposedly, shortly before WWII German scientists were trying to work out the best shape to use for U-Boats. The solution was as follows:

    freeze a big long slab of ice with a rope embedded in it. Store it in a shed beside a long canal during winter. Wait for a day where the temerature of the water in the canal is zero degrees [everything in celsius, for the no-scientific americans among us] but has not frozen.

    On the magic day, drop the block of ice in the canal, & start towing it down the canal at the speed you're interested in having your u-boat move at. The friction created by being towed through water creates sufficient energy to crack the latent heat of freezing, the only thing differentiating the zero degree block of ice from the zero degree water around it, & the edges of the ice start to melt, causing the ice to start taking on the optimal minimum drag shape for the speed it's moving through the water at.

    Once the shape of the ice seems to have stabilized, you pull the block of ice out of the canal & measure its shape. Voila - you now have the optimal minimum drag shape for your u-boat.

  124. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and ran into some land, had indeed reached India and proclaimed the inhabitants Indians -- a misnomer which exists to this day.

    Actually, I think you'll find that it's: INJUNS

  125. Pendulums by digitalhermit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The wave/particle and "acceleration indepency on mass" experiments are great, but I have a great respect for pendulum experiments. With them you can determine the mass of the earth, local gravity, determine that the earth does indeed rotate, mirror the findings of dropping differing masses, etc.. Not to mention that their ability to time events was important for a lot of other experiments.

  126. schrodinger's cat by unk1911 · · Score: 1

    i think the schrodinger's cat experiment is cute. you put a cat into a black-box. you release deadly radio-active elements inside. but, get this, until you actually open the box, the cat is both dead and alive. it is the opening of the box, or making the observation, that collapses the superposition of the cat's state... now if that is not a beautiful experiment, what is?

  127. Really. by mindstrm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, this exact question was asked at an Olympics of the Mind competition back in 1990 or so. Teams had to submit as many creative answers as they could.

    Answers were fantastic, far more creative than this one, included, but not limited to:

    Accellerate the building towards c until it appears the same size as the baromoeter, and use the resulting speed to calculate the original size.

    Drop it off, and observe the impact damage it makes to the ground. calculate the forces needed to do this.

    Run far away from the building and hold the barometer at arm's lentgh until it appears the same size as the building. DO some trig.

    Drop the barometer, and listen for the delay betwen it hitting the ground and the sound reaching you. Calculate height based on speed of sound.

    ANd I really wish I could remember some of hte other 50-odd answers that one team came up with... it was fantastic.

    And I think the thing about Bohr is an urban legend.

  128. Why is michelson morley... by Banner · · Score: 1

    Considers too 'hard' or 'expensive'? Heck, it's an easy and rather simple experiment!
    The fringes experiments are interesting too cause they show you that the grill on the mircowave oven DOEN'T stop all of the radiation.

  129. Cloud Chamber by Confuse+Ed · · Score: 3, Informative

    Though not particularly revolutionary, creating a cloud chamber and seeing the paths of radioactive particles is really quite amazing the first time you see it.

    We did this experiement during A-Level physics, with small chambers using dry ice, alcohol and some of the small alpha and beta sources that schools are allowed to use.

    A quick google seach will turn up lots of instructions for making your own, for example :

    although without a radioactive source you'll have to sit around and wait until some cosmic rays create some ionizing radiation that hits your experiment.
  130. Schrodinger's cat? by Triv · · Score: 2

    Didn't I see something here awhile ago about someone trying to proove Schrodinger's Cat by locking a kitten in a boiler with a quickcam diligently watching the outside? Can't seem to find it tho.

    Triv

    1. Re:Schrodinger's cat? by Arcturax · · Score: 1

      CowboyNeal is in this box, can you tell us if he is dead or just sleeping off last nights drinking binge?

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      --Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
  131. The superfluidity of Liquid Helium by Arcturax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about superfuidity?

    Seriously, that is one of the coolest and creepiest things at the same time, watching liquid helium crawl UP and spill out of a container. Granted liquid helium is rather expensive it is something which should really get the little buggers thinking and doing some research.

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    --Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
    1. Re:The superfluidity of Liquid Helium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI: $6.00 US/Liter in 1996 prices, almost any Welding supply house has it since it supplies the research industries...

    2. Re:The superfluidity of Liquid Helium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, OH the bad part; you boil off, say, 100 times that amount just precooling the transfer devices, so to get the very first liter it cost you 100.

  132. Current Balance by pizero · · Score: 1

    The current balance experiment is one of my favorites since it connects electromagnetic force to mechanical force and defines the Ampere.

  133. Archimedes by Morris+Schneiderman · · Score: 1

    For a simple, beautiful experiment that students of almost any age can do (and see a result that is both elegant and non-obvious), nothing beats Archimedes floatation experiment, showing that a floating body diplaces it's own weight of liquid.

  134. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by Jobe_br · · Score: 1

    ...without being able to verify it, which at the time detracted from the grandeur of it ... now, of course, we look at it as amazing :)

  135. And I... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two slits diverged in wood,
    and I...
    I screwed the one less traveled.

  136. Shoot down a beer can in mid-air by cgtaylor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First year physics - Lancaster, PA Sept 1967
    Takes place is a large lecture theater. At one end of the room an empty beer can is suspended from near the roof by an electromagnet. At the other end of the room there is a long iron pipe hooked up to a canister of compresses air. At the end of the pipe there is a electromagnetic relay. Place a ball bearing the the pipe and aim it at the beer can across the room. Push a charge of air into the pipe, the ball bearing flies out of the pipe and as it leaves the pipe triggers the relay which causes the electromagnet to release the beer can. Both the beer can and the ball bearing begin to fall and accelerate at the same rate as the ball bearing flies toward the beer can. BANG. Our very very large physics professor, Prof. Richard Hood (aka happy) is heard to exclaim: "Ain't science wonderful". A true red letter day in a four year foray into college physics.

    1. Re:Shoot down a beer can in mid-air by po_boy · · Score: 2

      I can't get the magnet to hold my beer cans. You folks in the 60's sure had different stuff than we do today. No we have to use coffee cans.

    2. Re:Shoot down a beer can in mid-air by cgtaylor · · Score: 1

      You're right. Beer cans used to be made of steel. Aluminum can got started in the early 70's

  137. What about the Hall effect? by lukesl · · Score: 1

    One really cool old experiment was when Hall showed that if you take a strip of metal in a magnetic field and send current through it, there will be a voltage difference between the two sides of the strip. Based on only this, it was determined that the charge carrying particle in "electricity" is the electron. It might not be quite as cool as Millikan's oil drop experiment, but it shows something mind-bogglingly fundamental with an extremely simple apparatus.

  138. Maxwell and "Big G" by jgkastra · · Score: 1
    With the discovery of the gravitational constant, we can prove that we are all literally attracting the other human being, and they are attracted to us.

    Or the night of Maxwell's discovery on the nature of light, he asked his date "how she would feel to know that she was walking with the only person in the world who knew what the starlight really was."

  139. Charge to Mass Ratio? by c_jonescc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Thompson experiment, or the modern manifestatin of, is by far my favorite.

    Electron gun in a helmholtz coil, where with just a bit of E&M you can figure out the charge to mass of an electron. Very pretty as well, with the glowing electron path being steered into a loop.

    Or shooting the falling monkey. It entertains the kids, and really hits home the idea that all things fall at the same rate, no matter how fast they are going laterally.

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  140. Archimedes? by misfit13b · · Score: 1

    I thought Archimedes Principle was used to find the density of an object using it's weight (mass) and the volume of water that it displaced. D=m/v

    But of course, it's been a long time since I've thought about any of that. ;^)

    1. Re:Archimedes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      right. but, his principal was a discovery that shoed that objects that are similer in weight and size have a diffrent displacement becasue of the density (the archemidies did not understand what desntiy was, he only knew objects displace water diffrently, but consistently based on their material.

  141. ACK!!!! Gravity is NOT independent of Mass!! by raygundan · · Score: 2

    This is a very common misconception. And one of the worst kind, since it's ingrained into all of us as "the correct answer" to another "misconception".

    Look at it this way: the bigger an object is, the stronger the force of gravity it exerts. For instance, the sun exerts a whole heck of a lot more gravitational force than the earth. And the moon exerts less, since it is smaller. Now, just because something the size of a golf ball or a feather is very, very, very small, doesn't mean it isn't producing it's own gravitational field.

    Now, when compared to the gravitational force exerted by the earth, the force exerted by a golf ball is extremely tiny. Same with the feather. However, the golf ball's gravitational effect is bigger than that of the feather!! So, the total force acting between the golf ball and the earth is greater than that between the feather and the earth.

    More massive objects DO fall faster, since gravitational force DEPENDS EXCLUSIVELY ON MASS. Here's the scalar equation for gravitational force on two bodies:

    F = G * (m1 + m2) * m2 / r^2

    m1 and m2 are the masses of the two objects. If you make either one of them bigger, the force gets bigger. If you keep one the same (the earth) and plug in two values for m2 (a golf ball and a feather) the more massive m2 gives you more force! And substituting in the old trusty F = m * a, we get:

    F = m2 * a

    m2 * a = G * (m1 + m2) * m2 / r^2
    divide both sides by m2, and you get:
    a = G * (m1 + m2) / r^2

    Which clearly depends on BOTH masses.

    What your grade-school science book was trying to tell you (often poorly, hence the misconception-on-top-of-misconception) was that objects of the same mass but different densities would fall at the same rate without the effects of air resistance. (As in, "Which falls faster, a ton of rocks, or a ton of feathers?" NOT "Which falls faster, a cubic meter of rocks or a cubic meter of feathers?")

  142. My favorite: the Doppler effect... by Basje · · Score: 2

    Anytime an ambulance passes me, I'm amazed. The change in pitch of the sirens so clearly illustrates the Doppler effect.

    This must be the most easy experiment to conduct for any student. Just go sit outside a hospital for a couple of minutes.

    So when this question came up, I knew this was the one experiment for me :)

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  143. Re:Gallileo's experiment is misleading. by tcm614ce · · Score: 1

    Isn't this really only half the story though? IIRC a feather and a bowling ball only fall at approximately the same speed and the reason is because they are relatively the same mass relative to earth. If we're talking about a mass that is say 1/6 earth (e.g. the moon), the accelleration is going to be a lot more than 9.8m/s/s due to the mass of the 2nd object. When we assume 9.8m/s/s accelleration for objects on earth we're merely assuming a mass of 0 for M2 in this equation: F = (G * M1 * M2) / R^2

    So the whole experiment always seemed a little hokey to me.

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  144. incorrect equation by raygundan · · Score: 2

    You're using a simplified form of that equation that assumes m1 + m2 ~= m1 (as in the earth+feather case-- one is so small compared to the other it makes almost no difference).

    The whole equation is:

    F = G * (m1 + m2) * m2 / r^2

    Doing the work with F=m*a:

    F = m2 * a
    plug (m2 * a) in for F in the gravity equation:
    m2 * a = G * (m1 + m2) * m2 / r^2
    divide both sides by m2, and you get:
    a = G * (m1 + m2) / r^2

    1. Re:incorrect equation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You're using a simplified form of that equation that assumes m1 + m2 ~= m1 (as in the earth+feather case-- one is so small compared to the other it makes almost no difference).

      I know someone who's about to fail a physics exam!

  145. Incorrect! by pq · · Score: 3, Informative
    And of course, the problem with doing that experiment was the even for Millikan's it was only selectively filtered data points that got published.

    Such a good story - it's a pity it is not true! Here's a link to David Goodstein's homepage - he's the vice-provost of CalTech - the second link on his homepage is a PDF file which should show you that the accusation is simply wrong.

    Take a look - it's not long, and it's well worth it - before slandering a beautiful experiment.

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  146. You need monochromatic light by MarkusQ · · Score: 2

    Something as simple as a piece of paper and a light source showed that classical mechanics was not enough to explain our universe and that quantum mechanics had to be invented.

    First, you might want to throw a prism on your list, or a laser, since it only works with monochromatic light. Secondly, this shows the wave nature of light, but it doesn't show the particle nature, so it doesn't really challenge classical physics when taken in issolation. You need something like the photoelectric effect, or an in-depth look at spectroscopy vs. black body radiation in addition to make trouble for classical physics.

    -- MarkusQ

    1. Re:You need monochromatic light by Guignol · · Score: 1

      Exactly !
      the wave nature of light is known since Newton (although he was himself heavily against such a consideration)
      I suppose the parent was confused with the same experiment but using electrons which was still compoletely known as a particle until Louis DeBroglie postulated it could also be a wave.
      Electron wave/particle duality though is by itself two (pretty famous) experiments well worth mentioning because of their funny relationship:
      They both gave Nobel prize to the Thompson family, first to the father, to show that the electron is indeed a particle, and later to his own son to prove that it is, indeed a wave :)
      I however don't see those experiment so very easyily at the reach of the student and would much prefer the black body radiation you coment about.
      I'd say it's easy enough, and it's just no big deal after all.. I mean.. who would have thought it would lead to quantum theory ? Planck himnself didn't !!!
      It should give the student an idea of the importance of the details... theory explains things or it doesn't and if it doesn't... prepare yourself for a major overturn :)

  147. Chaos Theory demonstration by MrScience · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is so cool...

    Bohm further proposed that the holomovement I mentioned consists of two parts - an explicate order and an implicate order. I will clarify this difference with an example that Bohm himself developed.

    Imagine a jar filled with thick, transparent fluid-like glycerin, a highly viscous fluid. In the center of the jar is a cylinder rod with a handle so you can turn the rod. You add a drop of ink into the glycerin, and the ink just sits there. But when you turn the inner cylinder around, it pulls this drop of ink and stretches it out. If you continue turning, the ink is drawn out into longer, ever finer and fainter lines. Eventually, if you keep doing this, the ink actually disappears completely. You can no longer see it.

    Now at this point, it's very tempting to conclude that the order that was originally present in the drop has now been rendered completely random and chaotic by thorough mixing of the ink into the glycerin. So much so that you can no longer even see the ink. However, if you now reverse the direction of the rotation, what you find is that this thin long line of ink will begin to reappear. And as you continue the reverse rotation, it will continue to get thicker and more clearly defined, and eventually, it will completely reconstruct itself.

    Now this is a mechanical metaphor for what Bohm talks about. What it tells us is that a hidden order may be present in what appears to be random. That's a very important insight that Bohm had, so I'd like to repeat it. With reference to this example and with references to reality in general, what appears to be random may, in fact, contain a hidden order. And unless your epistemological net is sufficiently fine, or sufficiently broad, you may miss that hidden order.

    Bohm call this order the implicate order, because although the ink is dispersed to the point of not being visible, its order has, in some way, been preserved. Or, I should rather say it's been transformed into a different form, but it has not been destroyed. And it can then move from being implicate into what Bohm would call the explicate order, where the order has been made visible and made manifest. So we than have this ink dot reappearing.

    When the ink drop disappears, Bohm would say that its order is enfolded in the glycerin. When the ink drop reappears, its order is unfolded back into the explicate order. I am going to be using these terms, so I want you to be come familiar with them.

    Taken from http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:rAqZl1UCxFIC: www.fourthturning.com/forums/viewtopic.php%3Ftopic %3D22%26forum%3D6+ink+rod+glycerin+drop-of-ink+tur n&hl=en.

    Interview with him about this very thing Here. Read up on this also here.

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  148. Re:Gallileo's experiment is misleading. by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

    BZZZT! And thank you for playing! Here's your lovely parting gift.

    Yes, the more massive object will hit with more FORCE, but the accelleration (and hence the velocity upon impact) will be the same for both objects.

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  149. Some great experiments with Elixir of Life (Beer) by kaladorn · · Score: 2

    From the Tap Room.

    From Scientific American.

    And one from Science News.

    Now really, how would any of this classify you ask? It is accessible to students (at least I recall accessing a fair amount of it), it changed the way people think (at least about beer, and your eyes are opened to the wonderous presence of physics in everyday life), and if all else fails, you can usually drink your experimental supplies, which would be a damn risky proposition in many other experimental situations....

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  150. You can see a sonic boom here.... by dfenstrate · · Score: 2

    from http://apod.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010221.html

    (Go to the page to see a sonic boom)

    "Explanation: Many people have heard a sonic boom, but few have seen one. When an airplane travels at a speed faster than sound, density waves of sound emitted by the plane cannot precede the plane, and so accumulate in a cone behind the plane. When this shock wave passes, a listener hears all at once the sound emitted over a longer period: a sonic boom. As a plane accelerates to just break the sound barrier, however, an unusual cloud might form. The origin of this cloud is still debated. A leading theory is that a drop in air pressure at the plane described by the Prandtl-Glauert Singularity occurs so that moist air condenses there to form water droplets. Above, an F/A-18 Hornet was photographed just as it broke the sound barrier. Large meteors and the space shuttle frequently produce audible sonic booms before they are slowed below sound speed by the Earth's atmosphere."

    So why does a bullet make less noise? well, if a sonic boom is the release of built up acoustic energy, then the bullet has two sources of noise to contribute to this: the explosive discharge, and the noise caused by displacing air along it's path.

    A jet, on the other hand, has two different sources of noise to build up and then release: A huge, noisy jet engine, and a far greater surface area for air to move over, causing a much louder rumble. This basically means that there is far more energy to turn into a 'boom' than a bullet has. Bigger bullets have a larger explosive charge, and a greater surface area to build up noise to be released on a sonic boom.

    So, to state the obvious, a large object creates a large sonic boom, and a small object creates a small sonic boom.

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  151. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by ForemastJack · · Score: 1

    And then they went and named the place after some schlub who just drew a picture of it. Cripes, we're talking iterative injustice, here.

    Amongst Greek philosophers, Eurpoean explorers, "Indians", politicians, and scientists, there is one constant: life's a bitch.

  152. Actually....no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    F = (G * M1 * M2) / R^2
    Divide out by the mass of the second object and get acceleration.
    A = (G * M1)/R^2
    So acceleration is not dependent on the mass of the object at all. The reason being, the inertia of an object grows proportionally to the force of gravity exerted on it.

  153. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Erastothenes comfortably sat in Greece with a stick and theorized (correctly) about the nature of the world.
    Columbus ponied up his own ass and sailed over a horizon where, to the best of his knowledge, nobody'd ever been. He risked himself to experience that world.
    Ya can see the same difference today between astronomers and astronauts.

  154. Re:Gallileo's experiment is misleading. by startled · · Score: 1

    "we're merely assuming a mass of 0 for M2 in this equation: F = (G * M1 * M2) / R^2"

    Um, maybe I'm not so good with multiplication, but wouldn't that make F = 0?

  155. Gyroscopic Precession! by saddino · · Score: 1

    Without it, there would be no rockets, no GPS, no advanced aircraft, no...er...Segway and of course: no bicycles!

    Easy to do and beautiful to behold: : take a bicycle wheel, tie a rope to the ceiling and the other end to the nut at the axle, let the wheel hang freely from the ceiling so it sits flat like a plate, and give it a fast spin -- voila! -- it turns *upright* (on end) as it spins away! Your very own gyroscope!

    For those not in the know, this is why balancing on a still bike is hard, but balancing on a moving bike is easy (look ma, no hands).

    The math for you geeks :-).

  156. WHAT ABOUT... by masterkool · · Score: 0

    Basically everything. Physics is general is a, well... generally beautiful field. Projectile motion, magnetic fields, waves, harmonics. All can create amazing things.

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  157. Re:ACK!!!! Gravity is NOT independent of Mass!! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

    More massive objects DO fall faster, since gravitational force DEPENDS EXCLUSIVELY ON MASS. Here's the scalar equation for gravitational force on two bodies:

    This is either untrue or misleading, depending on whether you define "falls faster" as either "has greater acceleration" or "hits the ground first when dropped from the same height", respectively.

    F = G * (m1 + m2) * m2 / r^2


    What is this? The equation for the gravitational force experienced is F = G * m1 * m2 / r^2. Where did you get the above non-symetric equation? The force is identical from the perspective of both masses, so how you got the above is a mystery. That equation is nonsense.

    Anyway, the acceleration experienced by m1 is (via substitution of F=ma) a1 = G * m2 / r^2.
    The acceleration experienced by m2 is a2 = G * m1 / r^2. Note that the acceleration for object one depends only on the mass of object 2, and vice versa. If you add these two accelerations, you get a formula similar to what you ended up with, (a1 + a2) = G * (m1 + m2) / r^2. But note that this is the total acceleration, not a1 or a2, but the sum of both, so it can't be used to get the force equation you materialized.

    The grade school book is in fact telling you that, barring wind resistance, a cubic meter of rocks does fall at the same rate as a cubic meter of feathers. It is telling you this because it is true, when you define "falling rate" as "acceleration towards the ground".

    Now, what probably confused you is the fact that if you were to drop the bricks and the feathers one at a time, the bricks would indeed hit the ground first. That is because the earth falls up at the bricks faster than toward the feathers. But if you were to drop both objects side-by-side and at the same time, they would strike the ground at the same time, as the earth would be accelerated toward both objects equally. Thus even if you define "falling rate" as "time until the ground is hit", your statement is still only correct some of the time.

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  158. Re:Gallileo's experiment is misleading. by tcm614ce · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the explanation. I think I understand now. Obviously the (0) thing is off (I think I meant(1)) but Geez...Something about that equation always confused me.

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  159. Disproving N-Rays by Royster · · Score: 2

    I can't remember all the people who were involved, but Rene Blondlot claimed to have found a phenenomenon which he called N-rays. But there was a lot of difficulty in reproducing the experiments elsewhere. An American scientist Robert Wood travelled to France to see the apparatus of the team who claimed the discovery.

    The experiment took place in a darkened room and a trained observer called out the readinings he saw. Unfortunately, our scientist hero had removed a metal prism which was said to be a critical part of the apparatus. Under their theory, they should not have detected the readings that the observer "saw".

    This experiment demonstrates that science is done by *disproving* things as much as it is my *proving* things.

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  160. Maxwell, anyone? by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

    Deriving the speed of light from batteries and magnets, thereby also proving that the speed of light is independent of your frame of reference!

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  161. Re:Some great experiments with Elixir of Life (Bee by aiabx · · Score: 1

    I have seen articles as well (I can't remember where) explaining why bubbles travel downwards in Guinness. It seems you get convection patterns right after pouring where the liquid is moving down faster that the bubbles can rise, so the bubbles appear to sink slowly. The opacity of Guinness probably helps, since you can only see bubbles near the surface of the glass and not the ones in the centre rising much faster than expected.
    That having been said, I'd have to vote for the Pendulum, or the double slit. With a Guinness chaser.
    -aiabx

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  162. Jacob's Ladder - Definitely! by jacobb · · Score: 2
    This is so so so beautiful to see. Caution: it's pretty deadly if mistreated, though (you're playing with 15 - 30 kV ). On a relatively dry day, the "spark" that's produced is like a sheet of blue-ish electricity, traveling up the wires and bulging/shooting off the end with a really cool, audible buzz.
    If you place a piece of paper in between the wires (UNPLUG FIRST!), it will ignite dramatically too. Here is a text file with instructions and ascii art. Here's a cooler html file with a decent picture. Here's a site devoted to one guy's JL, and it has some cool gifs and a movie or two (both c. 700kB)- these are kind of disappointing though - the arc is whiter and kind of pathetically small.

    What happens is that the air is broken down TO PLASMA between the wires so that it conducts electricity, just like lightning 8-D. The spark then convects upwards due to the very hot air. After it's shot off, air is broken down at the bottom again, and another spark is started.

    The best photos are probably HERE, but they're yellow sparks (i think that's to do with the gas) which isn't in my opinion as cool as brilliant blue ones :). TechTV also has a page on it and a cool-ish video if you can view asx files. Their JL is pretty weak though, because it stops before the spark "falls off" the end - meaning the wires are too far apart for the voltage to be that small to be able to turn the air in between into plasma.

  163. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by Royster · · Score: 2

    Although Eratosthenes was a true genius the world hails Christopher Columbus as a hero even though his accomplishment was sheer accident. What does this tell you about how the world views science and scientists?

    More correctly, educated people knew in CC's time that the world was round. Columbus merely managed to come up with a smaller diameter than most people believed which made his trip practical. He was dead wrong and the prevailing view, based on E's calculation, was much more correct.

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  164. Re:Gallileo's experiment is misleading. by Captn+Pepe · · Score: 2

    Umm ... sorta. The feather and the bowling ball experience identical forces, and thus acquire the same velocity in a given time. However, as you say, we assume M_2 = 0 for the *other* force equation, the gravitational force of the feather/bowling ball acting on the earth.

    So if we put the M_2 term back in, we find that the bowling ball and the earth meet slightly sooner than for the feather, because the earth is more strongly attracted to the bowling ball. But obviously, this is a *very* small effect.

    At least, I think that's what you were getting at. I'm not sure what the moon had to do with it.

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  165. Look at the moon through a telescope! by maxwells_deamon · · Score: 1

    Galileo pointed the telescope they had been using to cheat on the commodities market at the moon and the world was not the same.

    Try this. Get a inexpensive $200 telescope and set it up where there will be some 8-year-old kids at night when there will be 1/4 moon. Tell them about Galileo and what people thought the moon was like.

    Then let them look through it.

    Lots of ooooohhhs!

  166. The Knights of the Round Table knew some good ones by Shynedog · · Score: 1


    SIR BEDEVERE: And that, my liege, is how we know the earth to be banana-shaped.

    KING ARTHUR: This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.

  167. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by tswinzig · · Score: 2

    Erastothenes comfortably sat in Greece with a stick and theorized (correctly) about the nature of the world.
    Columbus ponied up his own ass and sailed over a horizon where, to the best of his knowledge, nobody'd ever been. He risked himself to experience that world.
    Ya can see the same difference today between astronomers and astronauts.


    Without astronomers, there would be no astronauts!

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  168. Shrodinger's Uncertainty experiment by KFury · · Score: 2
    Considering that the experiment has to be simple, and accessible to students, I'm gonna have to go with the Schrodinger's Cat experiment, proving Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.

    Ingredients:
    • One box
    • One cyanide pill
    • One cat
    • One quantum particle (optional)
  169. Re:ACK!!!! Gravity is NOT independent of Mass!! by gakido · · Score: 0

    if you use the regular formula for force of gravity:

    F = G * m1 * m2 / r^2

    acceleration ends up as:

    a = G * m1 / r^2

    which contradicts your statement that massive objects do fall faster, since only the mass of Earth affects the acceleration of m2.

    Why are you using the scalar equation? Also, wtf is a scalar equation? How is it derived from the original equation?

    Do you mean that because the golf ball attracts Earth more than a feather, the golf ball will accelerate Earth faster, and hence they will collide sooner, making it look like the golf ball fell faster? Is that what the scalar equation is for?

  170. How about the statistical determination of PI by LadyLucky · · Score: 2
    Not physics, but still fun.

    Take a large class of students, and ask them to come up with any two whole numbers. The probability that any two numbers are relatively prime is related to pi. So you work out the proportion p of people with relatively prime numbers, and then pi = sqrt( 6/p ), IIRC.

    Not terribly accurate, but experimental mathematics is very interesting.

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    1. Re:How about the statistical determination of PI by CConkle · · Score: 1

      There's a related fun-sounding way to calculate pi that's more elegant. Or, more unelegant.
      The digits of pi are, statistically, more or less pseudorandom. Therefore, instead of using human-generated numbers for your calculation of pi from random numbers, one can use the digits of pi itself. So, you can calculate pi, if you know pi. Of course, you lose a good amount of precision.

  171. EPR? by RareHeintz · · Score: 2
    I'm surprised that nobody's yet mentioned the EPR experiment and the subsequent development of Bell's Inequality.

    OK, there, I've mentioned it.

    OK,
    - B

  172. Smack me silly. You're right! by raygundan · · Score: 1

    I started with the right equation, and was "corrected" by a friend.(who is usually far better at this stuff than me)

    What he handed me was the equation for the total acceleration of the system. I should have eyeballed it a bit more closely.

    So now I'm a chump. :) Thanks, Chris!

    Next time, I'll wait until I have time to check stuff out myself.

  173. scalar eqns by boarder · · Score: 2
    the scalar eqn is one that is in scalar format
    and not vector format (so no direction is taken
    into account).


    the vector format:

    F=G*m1*m2*r/||r||^3


    if you don't care about the direction of the
    force and just the magnitude, the radius vector
    turns into a scalar and cancels one of the radii
    in the denomenator.

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  174. And you would be right by raygundan · · Score: 1

    If I had a physics exam.

    That's the last time I trust the invisible man in my computer who types messages to me all day.

  175. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by Baconator · · Score: 1

    unfortunately -- the intelligent advice of scientists was disregarded by the rulers were blinded by visions of wealth and power and the Queen funded Columbus' journey

    Actually, from what I remember, the "intelligent advice of scientists" in the 15th century was that Ptolemy was the authority on matters of the celestial bodies. If Ptolmey said that the Earth was 12,000 miles around, then anybody in the know would have said that the Earth was 12,000 miles around.

  176. Re:Gallileo's experiment is misleading. by eet23 · · Score: 1

    True, but only if you drop them separately. If you drop them at the same time, they will land at the same time. The Earth will be pulled towards the bowling ball more, but the feather is in the same direction so it gains as well.

  177. Potato Canon! by unprompted · · Score: 1

    Potato canons are a lot of fun. We actually used a pair of these for a chemistry demonstration in elementary schools. There is a lot to be learned about them through physics, as well.

  178. Well, this isn't a physics experiment, but... by TheWhaleShark · · Score: 1

    it's still fairly humbling nonetheless. The experiment goes like this: take a section of plant shoot meristem (the growth section of the above-ground parts of the plant) and place it in a growth medium. The medium contains the auxin IAA, a hormone that is used to induce root growth in meristems. Essentially, we take a tissue that's supposed to become a stem and try to make it become roots.

    I've done this at least three times during my time in my major; every single time, we come back, and the stuff has developed into a shoot, with no sign of roots at all.

    It just goes to show you...we can't boss nature around. :D

    --
    "It never got weird enough for me." - HST (RIP)
  179. Better version by Arcturax · · Score: 2

    Ingredients:
    -One box
    -One cyanide pill
    -CowboyNeal
    -One quantum particle (optional)

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    --Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
  180. Re:Smack me silly. You're right! by boarder · · Score: 2

    I would like to take credit for being the idiot who
    provided those equations...

    I blindly looked at old homeworks and didn't bother
    to take into account the context of the equations.

    I blame it on the US education system and the fact
    that I had to use M$ on my hw assignments (-;

    --
    IANAL, but I play one on /.
  181. yep. by raygundan · · Score: 1

    Sorry about the equation mishap. And I was considering dropping the objects as two independent tests. If you drop them together the results will be different, since there are three bodies in the problem.

    I should have said "A more massive object will hit the earth faster than a less massive object, if the drop tests are carried out independently."

    As in,

    Fe1 = G*me*m1/r^2
    Fe2 = G*me*m2/r^2

    with Fe1 > Fe2 if m1 > m2. Unless the glue I was sniffing hasn't quite warn off yet.

    But I didn't, and I used a goofy equation I got from a magical leprechaun, and I deserve to be grounded from physics for a month or two.

    1. Re:yep. by Gaber · · Score: 1

      "A more massive object will hit the earth faster than a less massive object, if the drop tests are carried out independently."

      Still not true.

      The forces on the two falling objects are different, but the accelerations are the same.

      a1 = Fe1/m1 = G*me/r^2
      a2 = Fe2/m2 = G*me/r^2 = a1

      If each object is dropped from rest, each accelerates at the same rate, and each reaches the earth at the same time.

      -Gabe

  182. No one did it better. by Crusty+Oldman · · Score: 1

    I completely agree.

    The question asks for "beauty" in physics, and no one approached it closer than Feynman.

    But our similar postings only rate a "1", and I believe it is for the same reason that Slashdot readers tend to program in C++, Java, and Perl; They don't understand simplicity, or elegance.

    And I'm positive it's for the same reason that they fail to appreciate Forth.

    Oooo! He's a mean sucker. Mod him down!

  183. OT: Indians vs. Indians by SEE · · Score: 1

    Columbus decided that since he had sailed west to get to India, and ran into some land, had indeed reached India and proclaimed the inhabitants Indians -- a misnomer which exists to this day.

    Given that the word "Indian" was a European coinage to begin with (the people of India never called themselves Indians until after they borrowed the word from the Europeans), it isn't all that big of a misnomer.

    (Actually, that's one of the great ironies of both [Asian] Indian nationalism and [American] Indian rights groups; no Indian [of either continent] thought of all Indians [of his continent] as one group until after Europeans came.)

  184. Michelson-Morley by pyrrho · · Score: 1

    I think Michelson-Morley is a good candidate... I don't remember it being to hard when we did it for undergrad physics... It's mostly playing with aiming lasers through prisms such that you look for diffraction patterns (iirc).

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    -pyrrho

  185. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by jejones · · Score: 2

    Even more ironic: Eratosthenes was hassled by his fellows, nicknamed "Beta" because he wasn't the best at anything. Now we honor Eratosthenes for his prime sieve and for calculating the circumference of the earth, among other things...and we just know his fellows because they were jerks. Pace Larry Niven, sometimes there is justice.

  186. WFM (worksforme) by jacobb · · Score: 2
    Me and a couple physics teachers tried it in high school, in 1997 back when my high school was still a decent place and still had some good teachers. Anyway, it turned out anyone walking anywhere in the pretty large building disrupted the experiment significantly. As did cars passing outside (c. 200 meters [=660 ft] away). We finally got it to work reliably during a holiday period when the roads had been blocked off for some reason i forget. We set up video cams so we could observe without walking in the building, and it took long while to get going properly, but IT WORKED! :) We of course, used a laser and mirror accross the room so we could magnify the movement and measure it linearly on the wall.

    Of course, this was back when we had really cool, interesting, knowledgeable teachers, not just dick-cheese student-copyright infringing bastards like SERGEI HAZANOV (feed on it, spammobile!) that STEAL prototype graphics by a student willing to trade for an administration job. Grrrr. Of course, this is switzerland and i wasn't a citizen and couldn't prove good enough damages to build a case against him.

  187. You are forgetting something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With a light source that can emit a single photon at a time, the two-slit experiment can no longer be explained by classical wave mechanics. It was very important in the development of quantum mechanics.

    Tim

    1. Re:You are forgetting something by markmoss · · Score: 2

      Yes. I suspect that with a photomultiplier tube, you could do the one photon at a time experiment on a $1,000 budget now.

    2. Re:You are forgetting something by pfalstad · · Score: 1

      Yeah forgot about that. But that experiment can't be done with paper and a light source like the original poster said. You need a photomultiplier tube, etc.

      The existence of photons, by itself, overthrows classical wave mechanics. The photoelectric effect was the basis for that.

  188. Magnus and Coriolis Effects by cornflux · · Score: 2
    I've really enjoyed the comments on this story -- great stuff. Here are my two favorites: I think the Magnus Effect in baseball and the Coriolis Effect on weather are beautiful. Both are relatively easy to demonstrate, understand and have changed the way people enjoy their lives.
  189. Re:The Two Slut Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, that would be the two slut experiment.
    Entirely different matter...

  190. Re:Two slit != waves by ManDude · · Score: 1

    Light is not a wave. To those lacking any quantum electro dynamics (QED) experience, read this book .

    The jist is that the lower the intensity of light is related to less light, less photons. You can break light down to *one* photon for very little light (or one light). When we break down light we find that the photon meter reacts less ofton or only once if we shoot one photon. If our eyes were a tad better at sensing light we could actually see a photon as a single particle, not a wave.

    The wave theory came about pre-QED since there was no better way to explain some of the "strange" effects. This *is* weird shit and those that think that LIGHT of all things could be easily explained with the bullshit of the duality theroy don't give the Universe enough credit for forming things more complex and imaginative.

    If you don't agree with me ask Richard Feynman

    I think two slits should not be included as a beautifull experiment if it is making so many people believe the regurgitated crap their high school physics teacher got them to memorize. (As Ms. Kerbopal would say "HA!")

  191. The Hacker and the Ants? by enkidu · · Score: 1

    Am I correct in assuming that your sig refers to Rudy Rucker's "The Hacker and the Ants"? I wonder if it's still in my collection...

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    There is no trap so deadly as the trap you set for yourself
    -Raymond Chandler, The Long Goodbye
  192. Very simple experiment, impress your friends... by Starcub · · Score: 1


    You can determine the center of gravity of any small, relatively flat object by supporting it at it's end with your fingers and slowly moving your fingers together while balancing the object. The midpoint of where your fingers come together is the center of gravity.

    For example, say you're out on a date and your date orders a cheeseburger. You could take that cheeseburger and put it on top of your fingers and slide them together. "Look honey: you didn't distribute your mustard evenly across the surface of the patty!"

  193. modified 2 slit by luzrek · · Score: 1

    Of course the 2 slit experiment can be done with a diffraction grating and a laser pointer. Laser pointers cost about 10$ (or less), but where would one get a diffraction grating for cheap? That's easy, a Compact Disk (or DVD). Ergo, the laser pointer + compact disk version of the 2 slit experiment is easily accessable for students (cost wise), easy to explain, and demonstrates quantum mechanics. As a side note, I built a michelson-moorely interferometer as a freshman in college, so I guess "accessable-to-students" depends on the student.

    --

    Galium Arsenide is the material of the future, and always will be.

  194. Nikola Tesla by sflanker · · Score: 1

    There are allot of interesting and quite visually stunning experiments done by Nikola Tesla or based on his work

  195. I'll vote for the EPR experiment by renoX · · Score: 2

    It is not really a simple experiment but it shows that while information can not go faster the speed of light, a measurement at one site CAN have an "instant effect" at another location.

    Very strange stuff, I went to a conference made by Alain Aspect, a French guy who managed to "implement" what was only a "thought experience"..

    Really shows the weird nature of our reality..

  196. Fun with spoiled rye derivatives by Engelbot · · Score: 1

    Albert Hoffmann, 19 April 1943.

    It's not a physics experiment as such, but I'm certain many students (well, at my school at least) do it with some frequency! :-)

  197. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by markmoss · · Score: 2

    Turns out, unbeknownst to anyone, that Columbus' ass was saved because there was a land mass closer than halfway.

    It's pretty clear that Columbus knew that the Vikings, and possibly others, had journeyed out into the Atlantic, and found a continent on the other side, within reach of an open longboat from Greenland. Columbus also _assumed_ that continent was Asia. From the evidence available at the time, this was less of a leap of faith than believing the old legends in the first place was. Putting those two beliefs together, the world had to be much smaller than Eratosthenes estimate.

    I don't know why Columbus never considered the possibility that there was an unknown continent out there, except that he would have had considerable trouble selling the notion that, based only on ancient legends, he wanted to spend most of the king and queen's money to sail out across the apparently endless sea and if the ships and all that investment didn't go down somewhere out there, find a continent inhabited by savages who were tough enough to run the Vikings out and had little or nothing worth stealing.

    Spaniards might not have been daunted by tough natives -- in Ferdinand's and Isabella's life time, spaniards had ended 600+ years of Moslem kingdoms in spain, and then defeated the Turks, who had been terrorizing Italy and Eastern Europe for over a century. Compared to Turks, savages without guns or steel weapons weren't much of a threat. But Spanish soldiers were rarely interested in farming, and they expected to get a whole lot more plunder than corn, pemmican, and beads...

  198. What about the acceleration of the earth? by raygundan · · Score: 1

    Again, you're right, and I'm a shmuck.

    I left out a step in my logic-- that F is acting on both the earth and the other mass. Both dropped objects are accelerating the same, but in the case of the heavier object (with the larger F) the earth is accelerating faster. So we hit the earth quicker.

    ae1 = Fe1 * me
    ae2 = Fe2 * me

    If m1 (and thus Fe1) is greater, ae1 is greater. So the earth comes up and smacks our object quicker, no? Or am I just further confusing myself here?

    1. Re:What about the acceleration of the earth? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2
      Technically, you're right. However, the earth's mass is so enormous that it makes no practical difference. By newton's third, ae = m * G / r^2 and a = M * G / r^2, giving that the acceleration between the earth and an object is

      G * (M + m) / r^2

      (M is the mass of the earth, and m is the mass of the object..) You can substitute values to satisfy yourself that the difference is completely negligible for any reasonable value of m, which is why the 'acceleration due to gravity' doesn't change based on mass.

      --

      How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
  199. Re:no Michelson-Morley? maybe just plain Michelson by markmoss · · Score: 2

    I think the mountaintop one is also possible for today's students, what with GPS and all, or even a really good topo map (+/- a few feet gets you close-enough-for-proof-of-concept).

    With a topo map, maybe, depending on the quality of the surveys. But GPS depends on the speed of light to work (it uses the delays in radio signals sent out at precise times from satellites, so when you use it to measure your baseline you are relying on someone else's measurement.

    OTOH, survey out a long baseline with enough precision (say across Kansas and neighboring flat lands), measure the GPS delays at each end, and you should be able to calculate the speed of light from that.

  200. Newton and the prism by Deadstick · · Score: 1

    Newton's demonstration of the composition of sunlight. He hypothesized that a prism doesn't "add" color to light, but just separates the colors already there -- and proceeded to demonstrate it by using a second prism to recombine them into white light. rj

  201. Young's Two Slit Experiment by DoctorFrog · · Score: 1
    This was my submission:

    It's simple and cheap enough for a student or even a layman to perform (a light source, a baffle with a couple of slits, and a screen; I don't know of a kindergartner who can't get that level of equipment), objectifies not one but two paradigm shifts, one arguably unequalled in the history of scientific endeavor (first particular light vs. wave light, & upon deeper examination classical vs. quantum physics; how fundamental do you want to get?), and as if that weren't enough, it provides a romantic light to spoon with your lover by... :)

  202. It's not the product, it's the process by LUDO54 · · Score: 1

    Liquid Helium is indeed relatively cheap, however, superfluidity is observed when said He is at a temperature of 4K or less. It is the equipment needed to cool the liquid helium to this point that makes the experiment expensive. Also, I believe it has to be pure (nearly so) He(4), as He(3) does not reach superfluidity until a much lower temperature (or maybe not at all, I can't recall the specifics of the phenomena at this point, but I know there was a difference between the two Isotopes)

  203. Cup of water doesn't spill in plane by Timothy+Chu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Preconditions: You're on a plane, and have a drink in a cup that's close to full (about a cm off the top is fine)
    Assumptions: the pilot is sane and sober; the plane is a commercial aircraft not designed for stuff like flying sideways
    Normal expectation: when the plane banks to one side, the water would spill out of the cup
    Observed behaviour: water level will remain parallel to that of the plane, and hence the table that the cup is on, and therefore won't spill.

    I noticed this a few years ago, and reasoned thusly: Other than the rudder of the aircraft, the plane has very little lateral resistance. When the plane turns, it banks at an angle to balance out the centripetal forces created by the plane's turning. To the people on the plane (and the beverage), this is simply an increased downward force, but looking out the window, it appears the plane is tilted.

    Of course, if the plane runs into turbulence, the drink may spill.

    <tim><

  204. Watch the moons of Jupiter through binoculars by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 2

    proving that not everything goes around the earth.

    --
    Quattuor res in hoc mundo sanctae sunt: libri, liberi, libertas et liberalitas.
  205. You don't beat him, you irradiate him! by Insightfill · · Score: 1

    Or, you just sit around contemplating your navel and debate if the cat is beaten or irradiated!

  206. Gliders in Conway's Life by ynotds · · Score: 3, Insightful

    John Conway's Game of Life, the most well-known cellular automaton, shows how nonlocal phenomena can be generated from purely local rules.

    Since exposed to the science minded through Martin Gardner's column in Scientific American in 1970, Life has introduced many to the study of complex systems, emergence, etc, etc, which I now see as providing a broader context for the physics (and chemistry and biology and collaborative systems) which we find in this world.

    For the record, this does not mean that I am convinced that our cosmos is a cellular automaton, but rather that complex systems provide a tool even more powerful than traditional math for modeling, and thus in some ways understanding, our world.

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    -- Our systemic servants do not good masters make.
  207. It's called the Compton effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazing that you can' remember Young's name, but not Compton's...

  208. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by glebfrank · · Score: 2

    It's pretty clear that Columbus knew that the Vikings, and possibly others, had journeyed out into the Atlantic, and found a continent on the other side, within reach of an open longboat from Greenland.

    Do you have any evidence to support this? Recall that it's only recently that the Viking's voyages to America became an accepted theory.

  209. Moot Point by blair1q · · Score: 2

    Science is prosaic. It's not there to be beautiful.

    If you twist it to make it beautiful, you're denigrating its value as science.

    Every experiment that falsifies its hypothesis is exactly as beautiful as it needs to be.

    --Blair

  210. i know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gee mike, had to be the time i fucked your mother. they way her fat ass hopped up and down defied gravity.

  211. Woohoo! Consensus! by raygundan · · Score: 1

    I agree. It's trivial when dropping feathers and bricks on the earth. The difference is there, though, which is all I was trying to say. But for smacking planets into eachother, the difference is important.

    I would like to apologize again for botching my initial post so horribly. I'm afraid the point I was trying to make got totally buried under the sheer stupidity of my misquoted equation.

  212. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by baruz · · Score: 1

    Actually, Ptolemy’s estimate of the Earth’s size, made 300 years later, came out 28 percent low. Successive measurements throughout Hellenic and Roman times, not being “in the know,” must have had them side with the Eratosthenetic projection. Columbus was actually following the Ptolemaic projection, if he were following anything but his own dumb fantasies.

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    He was a verray parfit gentil knight.
  213. Rutherford's Experiment Should be Considered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When Rutherford bounced Alpha Rays off Gold Foil,
    he changed the way we think of Atoms, and
    demonstrated that every atom has a small dense
    nucleus. I'm surprised others didn't mention it
    (maybe it doesn't look cool, but it had a big
    impact).

  214. Beautiful by Banjonardo · · Score: 1
    Beautiful? How about the time Feynman drops the O-ring in water and proves why the Challenger exploded?

    I'm not quite sure if it's physics, or even beautiful, but it's sure elegant.

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    Score 3? For what? Being wrong, at length? - smirkleton

  215. Bicycle wheel and swivel chair by binney · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sit in a swivel chair and hold a bicycle wheel with the axis vertical and the wheel itself perpendicular to your chest and the wheel spinning. Rotate the axis by 180 deg so that it is still vertical, but with the axis reversed. The chair starts to rotate to conserve angular momentum.
    Why I like about this one is that it is quite amazing if you haven't seen it before, but it demonstrates a principle of classical, high school physics.

  216. Rutherford's experiments by Matthew+Austern · · Score: 1

    I'll nominate two of Rutherford's experiments, both of which are simple and elegant, and both of which taught us things that were genuinely new.

    First is his demonstration that alpha rays are helium nuclei. And second, and more important, his demonstration of what's now called Rutherford scattering: scattering of alpha particles from nuclei. That's the experiment that first showed us that such things as nuclei existed. Rutherford's observations were utterly inconsistent with what was previously the prevailing model of atomic structure. As Rutherford himself said, these results were "as surprising as if you were to fire cannon balls at tissue paper and have them bounce back at you".

  217. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Eratosthenes day the general feeling among learned people was that the world was a sphere.

    I thought it was stretched out in the middle.

  218. error in the paper by dario_moreno · · Score: 1


    To my knowledge, it was Coulomb and not Cavendish
    who established the laws of electrostatics.

    My nominees for the most beautiful experiments
    would also include Oersted's, which I
    did not see mentioned in the discussion.

    --
    Google passes Turing test : see my journal
  219. Which Falls Faster, Beer or Light Beer by pizero · · Score: 1

    I once saw a show on TLC where they dropped things from a roof to see if things really fall at the same rate (neglecting air resistance). Some of the things they dropped were PB&J, Wile E. Coyote and Road Runner, and beer and light beer.

  220. Re:Gallileo's experiment is misleading. by p3d0 · · Score: 2
    No, actually, the grandparent article was right (though he was a bit careless with the math). Think of this: how quickly would a bowling ball with the mass of Jupiter fall at (through?) the surface of Earth?

    Certainly, all objects fall at the same rate at the surface of the earth. The force involved is given by:

    F = G m1 m2 / r
    But F=ma, so a=F/m. That means that the mass cancels; for instance, for m1, the acceleration due to gravity equals G m2 / r. So, each body's acceleration is independent of its own mass, but is proportional the other object's mass.

    So, consider the feather and hammer. While the feather accelerates toward Earth at 9.8m/s, the Earth and everything on it accelerates toward the feather at a negligible rate. Same with the hammer. Result: the observed acceleration for both objects is equal.

    However, consider our Jupiter-mass bowling ball. While the bowling ball accelerates toward Earth just like everything else at 9.8m/s, the Earth falls toward the bowling ball at about 318 times that rate, for an overall attraction of over 3100m/s!

    (Actually, the situation would be quite a bit more complicated than this because of the tremendous tidal forces involved, but you get the idea...)

    --
    Patrick Doyle
    I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
  221. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by markmoss · · Score: 2

    It's unlikely that Columbus specifically knew the saga of Lief Ericson, but there were plenty of things available to indicate there was land within reach. There are maps from before 1492 showing a continent across the Atlantic. There is the legend of St Brendan, among others. And there is evidence that the English were cod-fishing on the Grand Banks a decade earlier. (For one thing, there was no impact on cod prices in England when due to a war Denmark barred the English from the Iceland fisheries.) It would take remarkable navigation for that age to sail around the Grand Banks for weeks and never veer a little west and discover land. Fishermen like to keep the best spots secret, but might have talked to someone who clearly was no competitor...

    I just think it a lot more likely that Columbus's research turned up at least one of these possible sources than that he persuaded the quite hard-headed Isabella to finance his expedition based on an unsupported claim that everyone else was wrong about the size of the world...

  222. One-farad capacitors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are no longer a big deal, although those with a really-low equiv. series resistance are still somewhat unusual, afaik. The technology (electric double layer(s)) was discovered in the 1800s (!) by Helmholtz, iirc. These supercaps are used sometimes for nanopower static RAM keep-alive; Radial Shark used to have a little fella (very thick dime, more or less) rated at 0.047 farads, nominal.
    What is interesting are the Maxwell 2,500-farad caps; yes, no kidding, 2.5 kilofarads. Try [maxwell] and [ultracaps] in Google...
    Enby in Waltham

  223. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Things haven't changed. How many people have any idea what "E=mc^2" means? Plus nowadays most everyone uses m for the rest mass, so the form you will read in texts these days is "E = \gamma m c^2". This idea of 'authority' in science is still with us today so you'd better get used to it.

  224. While you're at it . . . by Brendor · · Score: 1

    Let's take a look at the properties of simultaneous viewing of Pink Floyd's seminal album the Dark Side of the Moon and Victor Fleming's 1939 MGM Motion Picture The Wizard of Oz.

  225. ps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ps. as you note the rotating earth and rotating platform have different angular velocity. this comes right out from comparing the two EoM. There are easier ways to do the problem using more powerful tools (adiabatic transport eg).

  226. You are wrong sir! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The proof is extremely simple: consider the case where the neutron star material ball has a mass greater than that of Earth (make it perhaps that of Jupiter). Dropping it onto the Earth can also be viewed as dropping the Earth onto the ball, and the Earth must fall (the two objects must be drawn together) at an acceleration equal to at least the value of G on Jupiter, not G on Earth. So clearly the massive object does fall with a greater acceleration.

  227. Re:ACK!!!! Gravity is NOT independent of Mass!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, your a victim of the educational system too. Your equation is merely a simplification of the truth. Consider the case where the falling mass is much greater that the mass of the Earth. Do you still thing it falls at the same acceleration? Hardly, since the earth would be falling towards it as it's greater value of G! So more massive objects must fall faster, although it takes a very massive object to measure the difference.

  228. Re:yep. Nope! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It Certainly is true. Consider the case where the
    larger mass is greater than the mass of the earth, many times greater. Your simplified textbook equations still claim that the object will fall based on the value G of the earth, when clearly the earth is falling towards the massive object based on the much greater G of the massive object. More massive objects do fall faster and the equation you are using is a simplification of the truth.

  229. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by HighTeckRedNeck · · Score: 1

    You may be closer to the truth than you think. After the Spaniards had ethnically cleaned Europe of Muslims there was one other place to open a war front. That was India, which was known to be under the control of the Muslims at the time. Knowing that, when Columbus planted a flag and "clamed" the land for Spain he was actually declaring war in a standard old fashion manner. There is evidence that Columbus "cooked his books" to show that he had done just that but there was too much evidence that he had instead landed somewhere else. Where that was was unknown at the time and Columbus was disgraced and fell out of favor. It is only many years after the fact that a new storyline became popular. The word "Careeb" in Arabic means "near" and the Caribbean Islands where Columbus first landed would be the Muslim islands near to Europe. Columbus wrote in his books the names for the individual islands that are Arabic names, before giving them the Christianized names we know today. He even describes seeing mosques and Arabic turbans on some of the Indians. This gives the impression that the Muslims actually discovered America before Columbus unless the "cook the book" theorem is accepted. See http://www.plaza.interport.net/gmqm/mamerica.html Who was first to the Americas, hard to tell, but it is known that Columbus used Muslims for his pilots and sailed from Spain not very long after the Moors had been expelled. Was he using knowledge already commonplace to the Moors? Few people look at the details instead of the storyline even if the details are much more interesting.

  230. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by markmoss · · Score: 2

    After the Spaniards had ethnically cleaned Europe of Muslims there was one other place to open a war front. That was India, which was known to be under the control of the Muslims at the time.

    The problem with that theory is that the Spanish had to sail only about 10 miles (to Africa) if all they wanted was to fight Muslims. Or a much easier voyage than an Atlantic crossing would bring them to the current center of Muslim temporal power (Istanbul) or to the Holy Land -- except by that time everyone know that attacking the Turks on their own turf was suicidal. So why would they have thought the Mogul (Mongol/Turkish Muslims) rulers of India would be vulnerable to a small company of soldiers staggering off a tiny ship after a voyage of months?

    Of course, Marco Polo's tale left reason to hope that the Chinese were still non-Islam and susceptible to conversion. (The Khan then ruling China actually asked for priests, but the papacy was too mired in internal conflicts to respond.) There might also have been some thought that there might be islands and smaller nations that were vulnerable to a military takeover, but I think the ostensible goal -- trade in spices, tea, and silk, bypassing the Turks, etc. -- was really the primary one. Of course, once they figured out that these "Indians" were different, and did not have the desired trade goods, but were getting gold from somewhere and were remarkably inept at warfare, the way to profits became obvious...

  231. Most beautiful experiments by proofofwarpdrive · · Score: 0

    I must tell you that you are all wrong. The most beautiful experiment ever conducted is US. You know humans, the most complicated creature on the planet. We as a culture have all of the equations of an experiment. We all make predictions about our lives and others lives, but we really don't know if Johny is going to college or will be killed in a car accident. Everthing is uncertain, until the present becomes the past, and the wave function has been collapsed. So my vote for the most beautiful science experiment is us ( humans ).

  232. Re:ACK!!!! Gravity is NOT independent of Mass!! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

    My equation is only a simplification if you stop using Newtonian physics. Barring that, it is accurate. The acceleration of an object as a result of gravitational attraction to another object is proportional the mass of the -other- object, and the inverse of the square of the distance, and nothing else. a1 = G * m2 / r^2. This is true, and as accurate as Newton could predict.

    I quite clearly said that the earth (the 'other object' in this case) experiences an acceleration of its own dependent on the dropped object. And clearly if the earth accelerates toward the dropped object faster, r decreases faster and thus both a2 and a1 increase faster. I thought this was obvious.

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