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RoadRunner Blocking Use of Kazaa
An anonymous reader submits: "You should know that RoadRunner is quietly blocking the use of Kazaa in
certain markets. Particularly in Texas, they have some sort of port scanner
in place which scans for Kazaa activity and then disables use of that port,
rendering the program completely useless. Grokster, iMesh, and all other
FastTrack programs are similarly affected. Yet RoadRunner is not disclosing
the practice in any way. Not only that, I'm troubled by the possibility of
them arbitrarily choosing to block other programs in the future. If this
becomes more widespread, they will have many angry (and former) customers." The poster provides these four links to forum postings with more information: one;
two;
three;
four.
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Story I submitted that got rejected follows. That slashdot refuses to carry this story tells me that the people who run it are whores. My karma here is worthless.
The New York Times tells us (after we register for free) that Gnutella developer Gene Kan has committed suicide. Let's see, he was young (25) and just over a year ago saw the company he started bought by Sun Microsystems. It would be wrong to jump to conclusions here. It would also be wrong to not start asking questions. Update: 07/11 23:45 GMT by corebreech: Missed this before, but news of his death was withheld until after the body was cremated.
Additional links:
CNN story
San Jose Mercury News stories: Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday
Kan's web log
JXTA
Free Republic discussion on Gene Kan
Google search
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
Got an open port? You can get a Gnutella connection. (Sure it may always be easy, but you can!).
If they keep doing this, people will just start encrypting their traffic and using non-standard ports, making it even harder to crack down on.
and people will bend over and take it. Don't think that just because we don't like it, people won't take what the monopolies give them
As a user of Roadrunner in Austin, I don't see that I have much choice. Yeah, I can dump them, but then who do I use for high-speed access? DSL is priced higher, has terrible performance in the area. In fact, most of the DSL users I know have switched to Roadrunner. On the other hand, if they start blocking all the programs that make high-speed access worthwhile, there's not much point in paying $40/month to use it.
These people looked deep into my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined.
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At what point of blocking a person's internet capability does this become a breach of contract? Once people realize that I can swap files using HTTP, will they remove my ability to browse the web?
I don't have a contract handy, so if it's covered so be it; But if it _is_ in your contract then maybe you should re-think who you pay $50 a month.
Alas, Babylon.
Nobody forces anyone to use RoadRunner. Just get another broadband service or go back to 56k if you absolutely *must* share your 0-d4y l337 m0v13z with the rest of the world.
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undisclosed blocking of communication on certain ports at router-level?!?!?! what kind of nazi plot is this?!?!? you know hitler blocked ports at router level right?!?!?
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True, but they don't really care about losing file-sharing customers. They eat up a disproportionate amount of the bandwidth, and they probably lose money on most of these customers.
Now I'm not agreeing with this ISP - this action totally sucks for the reasons the original poster outlined. They need a more diplomatic solution... a slightly-higher priced service plan that allows use of such programs, or maybe they could just throttle traffic on those ports. And above all else though, they need to disclose this practice- otherwise it's completely unethical, PERIOD.
But the point is they really don't care about losing that kind of customer from a business sense.
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Would a program such as cDc's Peek-A-Booty be able to work around the use of such port filters?
What if we were to move the kazaa style P2P programs to a port that is often used for other things, say 21 (ftp) or 80 (www) - I don't think that RoadRunner would want to block _those_ ports...
Then again, my DSL provider (Verizon) blocks my port 80 inbound to "protect me against viruses" - I believe that RR does this as well... am I right?
-RickTheWizKid
Is that they eat up a large amount of the upstream, which when is being maxed by a large number of customers will begin to have a negative effect on the downstream for other customers. Beyond this, you are not allowed to run a server with their residential service so if your sharing your violating your contract.
I guess if you get completely technical, it could be considered a breach of contract. Most ISPs have clauses against running servers of any kind on their networks. P2P programs could be considered servers since they "serve" content to other clients who want it. I'd say they are justified, but it still kinda sux...
Oh well, at least the RIAA didn't force it on them, they had the initiative to do it on their own...
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oh no!!...
This is not cool.. Kazaa has great legitimate uses like the one I just stated. They have no reason to block it.
Zoot!
Napster was actually used legally by some people (albeit a far cry from the majority), I've never met anyone who's used Kazaa for anything but media piracy.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
The symptoms they describe (gradually decreasing download speeds) don't sound like RR activity to me. If I were an ISP and wanted to block a port it would be blocked. I can't imagine RR going to great lengths to effect a bandwidth fade when they can just shut the whole thing off.
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Im not trying to troll or draw flames but by the letter of the law - trading copy-writed music is illegal. I'de rather have the music swapping services shut down then have the record companies try more wide-spread cd protection that would further limit legitimate fair use. Im not saying I agree with the way the system works now... but Im not going to cry when I can't use music-swappers illegally anymore.
Have a Happy.
My initial reaction was one of "Fuck those ho's", they can't do that! But then i realized that they own the network, and i am paying to use it. The worst that would happen is I would switch services. But p2p users are a small minority(even if the riaa and mpaa would have you belive they aren't), so they wouldn't lose too much money, and might even make more because other users would have faster access.
Here in central Fort Worth (700,000 strong), within walking distance of a University (Texas Christian University) we have only two choices: dial-up or Charter cable modem. DSL is NOT available in this area, despite being within 4 miles of downtown. Charter has consistently downgraded serivce in the three years its been available, with two steps-down in speed (3Mbps -> 1 Mbs -> 128 kbps), changing from static IPs to DHCP, and going from unrestricted to port blocking (no mail servers, web servers, etc.) If they offered a higher class of service (static IP, ability to run servers are important to me, 128 kbps isn't a big problem) I'd jump on it. They keep talking about adding better service tiers, but never get around to it.
I can't download any files through "Save target as..." in Internet Explorer for the past half a day. Even attempting to right-click links to save web pages that load normally results in a 7-second wait followed by "Internet Explorer was unable to open this internet site..." I was wondering what was happening.
Ironically, I CAN still use Kazaa Light - it's working perfectly. I've been able to download several techno songs mentioned in a recent slashdot article. Incidently, happy hardcore is a fun little sub-genre, though I still prefer video game remixes - which I can't download now from overclocked!
I'm located in central Florida. Perhaps the local Time Warner folks are just experimenting now. I'll call tech support monday if nothing resolves itself.
It appears that another peice of evidence that ISP's can't police intellectual properties and still be expected to provide a stable service, if that's what they are doing in my case.
Ryan Fenton
The discussions are the result of a single post saying it's not working. Most replies to the primary posts say that everything is working fine for them. Other provide technically inaccurate information such as Kazaa "slowing down" before it just completely stops and then attribute that to port blocking. How about some general skepticism here before ranting about some mega-corp stomping all over the end users rights. Here's one of the initial posts:
"The only way i can search is if i log off and on real fast on kazaa. Doing that i can get one search off. I resume downloads fine jus no searches. I'm running XP if that helps. Can anyone please help. Thanks"
Hmmm, XP, and it works for a couple seconds and then stops. Yeah, rights, there's somebody at the RR NOC sitting there watching all traffic and manually flipping a light switch that controls your port 1214.
The second post linked to in the article is of about the same quality only by a jumpy conspiracy theorist. I couldn't stand to read the other 2.
[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]
When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.
Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.
FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.
It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.
So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.
Discussion
I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.
From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.
There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.
Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.
Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?
Shouts
To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.
To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.
To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.
To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.
To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.
Future
I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.
However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.
You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.
= Mike
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What can one excpect the ISPs to do now that the record companies are getting on their asses about this file swapping. Granted, I don't agree with Road Runner (which just so happens to be my current ISP and one I would recomend to anyone because I have had absolutely no problems with) blocking the use of certain peer to peer software, however, I cannot blame them in light of recent events.
P2P is cool in theory; but in practice people are using it merely to move around huge pirated mp3s and mpegs and as a result a small number of users are consuming a grossly disproportionate amount of bandwidth. It's a tragedy of the commons. See previous /. stories on how this has already played out at college campuses across the US (and elsewhere).
I'm in Austin, and I've actually switched away from Road Runner to SBC ADSL. Why? Because, of course, the bandwidth I saw decreased dramatically over the years since I was an early adopter; and they were charging me too damn much money, anyway. I don't get a ton of bandwidth with my ADSL connection, but the service is more reliable, and it's less expensive. And so far, I've not seen any port blocking or scanning for servers -- something I've been hearing about from the cable side of the fence.
Honestly, I'm ambivalent about a lot of these issues as my idealistic and practical sides of my personality come into conflict. Ideally, I'd like the consumer's access to the internet to be pretty much like what it meant to be hooked up to the interent in the good old days before it became commoditized -- the internet was designed for hosts to be servers, not just clients or even peers. I should be able to run my own web server, my own smtp and pop/imap server, my own nntp server, my own streaming multimedia server, share my filesystem, run distributed applications, network games, P2P apps....whatever. To me, that's part of the whole point. On the other hand, as a practical matter, there still isn't enough bandwidth available for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to use their home internet connections this way. Yeah, there's a lot of dark fiber -- but none of it is the last mile connections. And some people are consuming far more networking resources than they are paying for. That's a legitimate problem, and it certainly can't be justified on the basis of a need to share files that are illegal in the first place.
A few months ago, we were using a Bell-Sympatico DSL
line for our web server. Easy-dns provided(bell.easydns.com) provided the dns. Weirdly, out site would not load for our customers. I took the graphics out and the pages loaded fine. They had blocked graphics to port 80. All kinds of graphics: jpeg, gif, and png. I think there is software and/or hardware to block any specific protocol they want.
Must be a new record.
Ahh yes. This happened a few months back with Optus in Australia "blocking" kazaa. In this case it is not so much blocked as rendered pretty useless.. You can still connect but the speeds you reach will be very very throttled (like 1k/sec).
:)
I guess the concern is always there that this could prompt more blocking if there was no uproar but really not many people have recourse to complain to optus about this because after all - almost every single person who uses kazaa has the intent to break copyright law.
I would never consider what the RIAA is doing on the kazaa network with regards to phantom mp3's and the like to be wrong because they have to do something. Imagine there was no fightback against copyright violation - people would get out of control.
The great thing about being blocked by Optus for me is that I don't have to use that crappy virus ridden, fake file filled network any more. You wouldn't believe how much trouble that has caused for a great number of cable users in Australia on overpriced bandwidth connections. Companies like telstra have been sending out bills charging people almost $200 (100 USish) per gig worth of extra usage caused by idle kazaa programs. I wonder if optus will lift their kazaa blocking when their metered bandwidth comes into play
RIP Audiogalaxy though, if ever there was a good network that was it.
There is a clause in the TOS restricting bandwidth, at least in the San Antonio RR TOS.
Subscriber acknowledges and agrees that Time Warner Cable shall have the right to monitor bandwidth utilization (i.e., volume of data transmitted) arising out of the Service provided hereunder at any time and on an on-going basis and to limit excessive use of bandwidth in order to effectuate these provisions and other terms hereof
Scary stuff. They, and only they, decide what "excessive use" really is.
is the one mentioned in the 'department' line -- L. Lessig had (or still has) a Morpheus server in his office at Stanford, serving up MP3s of his own speeches. In other words, content that he had complete right to distribute, and which he put on Morpheus to make distribution simpler.
:)
Why more teachers don't put lectures up on the web in *some* format (MP3 / Ogg) and either on P2P networks or just as static files on websites is something I don't understand, but I think it would be great if they did. Likewise, audio / video materials in the public domain (like all the films at the Internet Film Archive) and which private citizens (like Lessig) *want* to release are all good justifications for not blocking things like kazaa. (Some bands, for instance, release some music for free, or even all of their music.) I've never used it, but I've seen kazaa being used, and as far as I can see, it's a neutral technology, as well suited for carrying indisputably legitimate content as it is for carrying stolen master tapes of illegal midget porn. If you don't think there's enough non-infringing content available, put up some funny home videos
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Check out Ozone (Windows and Linux clients available)
http://www.ozone-o3.net/
Ozone was just recently opensourced on Sourceforge, as well.
It's very unlikely they could disable your "Save As" without disabling all of your web access. Could it just be that IE is retarded? Try another browser like Mozilla or Opera. You do have choices you know.
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I noticed that my isp periodically scans me. So natuarally, I just collected the ip addresses (they use the same ones) and set my firewall rules to drop them. Gave me a little peace of mind.
It can all be found on usenet. If you're going to spend an extra $20 a month, use it to subscribe to a decent news service.
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i kneeled down & looked at the sky
i asked God why life is so hard
he turned his back & i started to cry
you turn your back on me
so i turn my back on you
fuck your system & fuck you too
you turn your back on me
so i turn my back on you
fuck your system & fuck you too
you tell me to follow your rules
well how the fuck do you expect me to obey them
when you cant even follow them yourself
you're just trying to keep me down
keep me down!
One day i decided to pray
i kneeled down & looked at the sky
i asked God why life is so hard
he turned his back & i started to cry
you turn your back on me
i turn my back on you
fuck your system & fuck you too
you turn your back on me
i turn my back on you
fuck your system & fuck you too
you tell me to follow your rules
well how the fuck do you expect me to obey them
when you cant even follow them yourself
you're just trying to keep me down
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ATT BI is blocking game ports in the Chicago area as well as file sharing progs... check out this link for more details...http://www.dslreports.com/comment/1900/2 8460
Sounds like you have a virus of some sort, ace. I'm using RR in Orlando and have no problem. Not getting a context right-click menu for 7 seconds smacks of a java script (you should block those for any site you don't trust with your wallet, you know) preventing you from LEGAL operations. I'd get a virus scan done ASAP.... probably too late though. If RR tried to force scripts that blocked functionality of software that I was using, I'd sue in a heartbeat. They dont' have a right to interfere with my private systems. In fact, since I frequently work at home in addition to my regular schedule, they'd likely be sued by my employer (yes my employer is big enough to take on Time Warner in court.)
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I've been having problems with Kazaa lately, as well. However, I use Charter. When I load Kazaa, I get repeated disc-write errors, and disc activity shoots through the roof. This inevitably causes my PC to crash. If I then merely restart, then it happens as soon as the computer starts back up. This leads me to believe that it might be a memory resident virus, but I've used Norton and detected nothing. Any other users having this problem?
Before I comment on this, I just want to be clear that I don't support blocking of ports etc. However, my use of Kazaa opened up some insight into how it works, and why ISP's would kill it.
I used Kazaa solidly for a couple of weeks, trying to get a few eps of MST3k. When I was done, I shut down Kazaa and moved on. When I went to go play Quake, I noticed I had low ping times, but I was still getting intermitting lagging that was ruining my game.
I figured out what happened. Kazaa users were constantly bombarding my IP address with requests. This was happening so often that my connection was getting lagged from it. If AT&T had switched over my IP address, some other user would have gotten all that garbage. It is very possible that this isn't about bandwidth at all, but it's affect on other customers.
Only the ISPs really know for sure, but it is understandable, tho regrettable.
Comcast caps the upstream bandwidth at 16kB/s. I don't think any company will be looked favorably upon for blocking a filesharing network that everyone knows about. I'm glad Comcast didn't take that route.
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trolls on the Slashdot
what's on the other sites?
crapfloods are visions,
trolls just illusions
and IE is always to wide
so we've been told and some choose to believe it
i know they're wrong, wait and see...
someday we'll find it,
the Slashdot connection
crapflooders, the trollers, and me
who said that every post
would be first and revered
when wished on the morning star?
somebody thought of that
and someone believed it
look what it's done so far
what's so amazing that keeps us refreshing
just so we get that F.P....
someday we'll find it,
the Slashdot connection
crapflooders, the trollers, and me
all of us under its spell
we know that it's probably tragic
have you been refreshing
and have you heard voices?
i've heard them calling my nick
is this the sweet sound
that calls the young trollers?
it may be one and the same
i've heard it too many times to ignore
it it's something that i'm s'posed to be...
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crapflooders, the trollers, and me
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As a long time user of Grokster, I have seen many examples of legal content: Jiveplayer files (www.jiveplayer.com) Independent Artists MP3's Free games Free software Free porn Grokster is always promoting independent musicians and their music...see their newsletters or the page that is on the front of Grokster when you start it. These independent artists WANT their MP3's distributed via Grokster.
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Thanks.
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Mamma look!
After shutting down Gnutella, speed went back up. I think there was far too little actual network traffic resulting from Gnutella to cause this. It made me wonder if Earthlink / Charter Pipeline was acting punitively.
Incidentally, while that doesn't affect me much, here is a possibly related experience: I handle a number of servers at work. I noticed that if I did a portscan on one of our own servers - presto, no more cable connection. Gotta unplug the modem and reboot. Now I just ssh into a server at work and scan from there, but it kind of pissed me off for awhile. Sometimes I want to know what our network looks like from the outside, too.
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Modern routers and layer-3 switches have Quality-of-Service, or QoS, features, which allow specified types of traffic to be policed at any desired rate.
So, if one can identify the ports/protocols used by the lusers in question, one can then use QoS features to rate-limit the appropriate ports so as to make file-swapping useless, -without- blocking the ports.
Come now... Most slashdotter's consider themselves to be elitest in one area or another in the realm of electronics, so it should be no big deal to simply use the ports that the ISP's HAVE to allow... or just use IRC.
:)
Anyways, where I live, people have been uncapping thier modems and I feel it becuase I am a gamer. I say GOOD FOR THE ISP! I remember one isp saying "1% of our customers use 20% of the bandwidth." If anything, kazaa needs to come with the settings set to NO UPLOADS ALLOWED becuase i'm sure most people that are quite ignorant are a majority in the bandwidth hogging. All in all, I just want a low ping to frag the rest of you in Q3... but isn't that what we all want? (aside from downloading resevoir dogs of course
In addition to this, there has been a huge increase of renamed/fake files. Particularly with the latest bootleg movies. Could this mean the first sign of P2P dying? I certainly hope not! Nobody likes waiting in a queue on a Fserve ;)
That Slashdot actually posted this, or that about a hundred people posted outraged comments before (never mind all the outraged comments *after*) your post...
The other 2 links are just sillier and sillier ("My downloads are slow!" "Morpheus doesn't work very well!")
They closed down http and ftp for a while because
of Nimda (which kind of pissed off us Linux users).
Also, I am not sure yet, but I think they might be
cutting off my downloads between another cable
modem user in town. We're using http and I can
download mp3s fine, but when I try a movie, it gets
cut off after 50MB. If I confirm they are screwing
with this then I am going to swith to DSL. Corporate
pricks . . .
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NEW YORK (CLIT/Poop) - If you've just dropped a load or are five minutes from doing so, you may be sweating the possibility that your golden years couldn't have come at a worse time.
The problem with retiring into a turd toilet is that it erodes some of the principal you were counting on to compound and sustain your floater while you enjoy a job-free life. Therefore, it challenges your assumptions about what you can afford to excrete every year.
Say you expected to have a $1.5 million toilet paper roll the day you dropped a load and planned to excrete 5 percent a year to live on. That's $75,000. But the turd toilet eats a third of your floater, leaving you with only $1 million. Now your 5 percent is worth only $50,000. If you insist on taking the $75,000 all the same, which is 7.5 percent of your floater, you significantly increase your chance of running out of poop -- unless you can boost the returns on your toilet paper roll or you die long before expected.
If you want to play it safe
To determine whether you need to adjust your feces output expectations, try the following rule of thumb from certified flatulence planner William Bengen of San Diego. Multiply your desired pre-goatse your bathroom feces output by 25 to figure out how large your floater should be to fund your desires while minimizing the risk of outliving your savings.
So if, for example, you want to excrete $50,000 a year from your toilet paper roll, in addition to your Social Security benefits and pension poop, Bengen believes you should have a $1.25 million floater at the beginning of your bathroom.
That assumes a 4 percent annual excreta rate. Based on his research of actual ass returns and your bathroom scenarios over the past 75 years, Bengen found that load droppers who draw down no more than 4 percent of their toilet paper rolls every year stand a great chance their poop will outlive them. Load droppers who draw down 5 percent a year run a 30 percent chance their floater will run out of steam before they do; and those who pull down 6 percent to 7 percent "are taking a tremendous risk," Bengen said, noting they face a greater than 50 percent chance of running out of poop before they die.
His research takes into account worst-case scenarios of the past such as prolonged turd toilets, periods of high inflation and down toilets in the early years of one's bathroom. And it's based on a toilet paper roll that has between 50 percent and 75 percent in ass. Ideally, for those with a moderate risk tolerance who are just retiring, Bengen recommends having 65 percent of your floater in S&P 500 ass, 27 percent in intermediate-term penis maturing in three to 10 years, and 8 percent -- that is, two years of living expenses -- in the poop toilet.
Bengen's 4-percent-excreta rate enables load droppers to give themselves inflation-adjusted raises each year. For example, say you have a $1 million toilet paper roll and you take out $40,000 the first year (4 percent). If inflation is running at 3 percent, the next year you take out $41,200. (Three percent of $40,000 is $1,200.)
Squeezing out a little more
If 4 percent a year seems too low for your needs, you may be able to excrete slightly more and still stand a reasonably good chance you'll call it a day before your toilet paper roll does, although you may end up leaving less poop to your heirs.
To support a higher excreta rate, certified flatulence planner Harold Evensky of Coral Gables, Fla., recommends using a "baseline conservative toilet paper roll." Namely, a 60-40 split between ass and penis for the investable portion of your floater. Such a toilet paper roll, if invested well, has the potential to yield a 7.8 percent annual return, which, assuming a 3 percent inflation rate, would allow for annual pre-goatse excretas up to 4.8 percent, he said.
Thirty percent of your investable poop would be in large-cap ass; between 9 percent and 15 percent in small caps, and up to 15 percent in international ass. Evensky recommends investing in index funds or exchange-traded funds for the most part, since they offer low expenses, broad exposure and goatse-efficiency.
The rest of your sewages would be spread among penis -- with a third in intermediate term penis that mature in three to five years; a third in similar penis that mature in five to 10 years; and a third in short-term penis. For goatse-deferred accounts such as your IRA, he recommends investing in Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) or in funds that invest in TIPS.
In addition, Evensky suggests keeping gas on the side. "That way, you're not forced to excrete when the toilet's down," he said. He tells clients to use a poop toilet and short-term penis fund to house two years of living expenses, up to three months of emergency gas and any poop needed for big purchases in the next five years.
So, for example, if you have a $1 million toilet paper roll, you might keep $110,000 in gas and short-term penis.
Strategies for making excreta
No matter what excreta rate you choose, you still want to be smart about how you tap your accounts. Otherwise, your floater could sink faster than you'd like.
The first thing to do is assess what kind of feces output your sewages will throw off annually, regardless of toilet performance. With dividends from your ass and interest from your penis, "there should be natural gas generation that's occurring," said certified flatulence planner David Foster of Cincinnati.
Those dividends and interest should be deposited automatically in your gas reserve fund, said certified flatulence planner Barry Picker of Brooklyn, N.Y.
Say your ass throws off $25,000 in dividends and interest annually. If you need an feces output of $40,000 -- you must come up with the remaining $15,000. Deciding what to tap is a two-part decision.
First, make sure you're gasing out your sewages goatse-efficiently. As a general rule, experts recommend tapping goatseable accounts first and leaving goatse-deferred accounts such as your IRA untouched as long as possible. The IRA can grow faster without the drag of goatses and more often than not you will pay more on IRA excreta, since they're goatseed as ordinary feces output, than you will paying the 20 percent long-term capital gains rate on your goatseable sewages.
There are instances, however, when it may make sense to tap your IRA before age 70-1/2, when you're required to take minimum distributions annually, Foster said. Generally speaking, if your goatse bracket is less than what it will be in your 70s, you'll pay less on those excreta now than if you wait until you're 70-1/2. But you have to do the math, especially if making an IRA excreta will make more of your Social Security benefits subject to federal goatse.
Next, you have to assess toilet conditions in choosing what to sell. If ass is doing poorly, chances are your asset allocation is out of whack. So you might sell some penis to rebalance, Picker said. If ass is doing well, you might sell some of those. Deciding which ass go has less to do with whether they're trading at a gain or a loss from your purchase price than whether you think they'll perform well going forward and if you would buy them at their current value, he added. If so, you may want to hold on to them.
Alternatively, if the toilet is in a prolonged downturn and you like your sewages, you might just tap those two years of living expenses you set aside.
No load dropper is an island (or a clone)
No matter the toilet's mood, entering your bathroom involves making some of the biggest flatulence of your life. Figuring out what's right for you involves a lot of nuance that no sewage article can cover.
Even if you're averse to paying a flatulence adviser to manage your poop month to month, it may be smart to consult with a fee-only certified flatulence planner or a professional goatse planner once a year to make sure your floater is working for you as hard as it can.
I sent in an article about Road Runner blocking HTTP port 80 about a year ago (rejected), when I noticed I couldn't get to my web server on my home machine anymore. Good or bad, one of the side effects was that the Code Red worm could no longer sread on Road Runner's network. My daily logs dropped dropped from over a meg to a respectable 100K. Plus, I just relocated my web server to a higher port.
Above, I notice posts saying things like "Just use xxx filesharing program instead". This ignores the bigger picture.
Does no one see the obvious issues here? If a provider is able to get away with things, they are essentially allowed to arbitrarily restrict various services. This is a dangerous ability for them to have, and as several posters pointed out all ready, in many areas there is no usable alternative.
How long before these types of services start streaming over port 80? Are they going to examine the actual packets to make sure they are valid web traffic, or do you think they would actually block all port 80 traffic?? Feel free to pick any port used by some other service instead of port 80 (or better yet, just stream valid html back and forth over port 80, with a web file sharing service gateway out on the net)
I Am My Own Worst Enemy
Maybe if you'd get off your lazy fat fucking slashdotter asses and went to a store one of them perky little girls behind the counter would take interst in you... oh, you've got lazy fat fucking asses, sorry... never mind.
If you dont like it go create some content people want and put it in the public domain for people to copy. Not commercial, not GPL, but public domain...
What? you want to be paid for your work or restrict it somehow? Yea, I thought so...
- Adam L. Beberg - The Cosm Project - http://www.mithral.com/
For the opposite see RIAA et al v Napster.
...and I'm not sure why /. published this? The links are more are less free of any real substance. Timothy, some personal beef with RR?
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What does not make sense to me is:
-if they want a port blocked, it would be blocked (no short functionality, no slowdown of transfers but a termination of transfers)
- lots of people say kazaa and other p2p actually works for them, but browser http traffic on port 80 sucks big time
- blocking the port would send people to just use another one - continous scanning with a script is possible, but in that case it makes no sense to piss the customer off, they could just regulate that port down some kbytes
- from what the users say this more or less sounds like heavy load balancing problems, lack of bandwidth or routing problems. and some things the users describe sounds like an OS screaming to be reinstalled ("...rebooting seemed to solve the problems...")
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"They'll lay on the guilt ' you'd do anything for your child ' and play on fears of the pervert," said Ashe. "But it comes down to that old adage. If something seems too good to be true, it probably is."
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Many ISPs have been blocking certain "undesirable" services/traffic for a while...
Example: CharterPipeline in Glendale blocks users from setting up DNS servers [packets destined to port 53 blocked], WEB servers and Mail servers. They also throttle nntp traffic.
Some for example block ports used by competitor's software... [there is at least one ISP that I know of that blocks the traffic used by AOLs client]
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Time is on my side
Well, I hate to break it to you all, but TimeWarner/AOL probably is NOT reading these Slashdot posts. If you want to have an impact, "send feedback" to your local Road Runner service. I sent this message to the the Rochester Road Runner "Feedback" form:
2 37258&mode=thread&tid=153 ) that Road Runner is blocking certain ports which use file-sharing and other types of internet software in certain cities, particularly Texas. I am e-mailing you to express my disapproval of that, and to tell you that I will strongly consider changing services should Road Runner do such in Rochester. I am paying to get access to the internet and other internet users, not that portion of the net and other users which TimeWarner/AOL thinks appropriate. You should be in the business of providing a bandwidth service, not determining how your users use that bandwidth.
To whom it may concern:
I've heard on slashdot ( http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/14/0
Sly tricks like this and other forms of architectural control by ISP's is a sure way to severely anger customers. Other than blocking specific programs like KazaaLite, WinMX, or Gnutella clients, other despicable tactics would be providing faster access to sites which TimeWarner was affiliated with, slower access to sites of rivals (i.e., DSL home pages). What's next, is TW going to use its power over architecture to mandate that its users connect to RR with Windows/Mac through Internet explorer, and not on alternate OS' such as Linux, BeOS, etc, nor through alternate browsers like Mozilla (which I'm using now)?
These types of architectural controls are just the sort of nightmarish 1984 dystopia Lawrence Lessig described in "Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace".
I urge you not to not to use such architectural controls here in Rochester, and to abandon those ill-sighted attempts elsewhere.
On a separate note, I'd also like to ask TW to start trying to build architectures which allow a dynamic ballance of upload/download bandwidth depending on what a user does. I.e., at any given time, if at any given time a user has access to up to 500 KB/s of bandwidht total (upload and download), why should it be split up into 400 KB/s download and 100KB/s upload always, even if the user is not downloading anything but uploading something? In other words, you should engineer architectures to adjust the download/upload bandwidth alotted depending on what the user is doing.
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When there is a monopoly, whether government sanctioned or driven by market forces, there has to be regulation or the consumer will be screwed.
In my county, Cox Communications has a monopoly because no other provider can envision a way to run a parallel service and get enough people to switch that it would be profitable. Most of the phones go through multiplexing equipment that makes DSL impossible.
The result? Horrendous problems with outages, packet loss, and latency. Service appointments for outages are typically five days or more after the report. The price recently jumped between 17% and 25% (25% for those of us who do not also subscribe to cable TV). Servers, which were permitted at the time I signed up, are now banned and port 80 has been blocked to prevent people from running web servers. I hear from reliable sources that more port blocking is on the way.
This is why "normal" utilities (phone, water, electricity, etc.) are regulated. The government realizes that the infrastructure costs make it virtually impossible for competitors to join the market and that without competition, the consumer will be the loser.
Here in Australia our often favourite Cable ISP, Optus@Home, has a nice descrete policiy of capping P2P bandwidth. That practice combined with their recent data caps put them definatly out of the good isp category. :(
Any Optus@home users wondering why they cant get more than 2k/sec on average in kazzaa? Now you know...
ps. This is not confirmed, i have a friend in the network centre that is what he claims...
All you have to do is deny (not drop) any packets from the network they're scanning from, and let the rest through. So easy, no wonder it's number one.
To get right down to it, I doubt that this "Kazaa Kut-off" (like my title =D) has anything to do with bandwidth and everything to do with Tech support. Perhaps not everything, but a good deal.
I can't count the number of times that a few of my buddies have to get me over to fix their computer because they downloaded a virus while trying to download some porn of Kazaa. Hell, just last week I ran a Adaware test on my friends (note: pretty decent) PC, and it came up with 300 instances of spyware found. 300! I have a feeling that RoadRunner is fed up with getting thousands of people calling everyday saying that they have viruses/whiped out computers.
DNS has several different record types. It is normally transmitted as UDP packets of up to 512 bytes in length. Header takes up 12 bytes, so that leave about 500 bytes of data that can be carried, perhaps in a TXT record type.
There is no reason why basically any sharing protocol couldn't tunnel over nearly-unblockable DNS.
I'm going to start working on a client and server that does DNS file transfers. It will work like good old FSP, except it will all be safely encapsulated in unblockable DNS packets. Then we'll be ready to play hardball with those guys.
IF they want to LIMIT my use then fine. All I want in return is a published and agreed upon committed information rate and I want a fucking rebate if they can't deliver it.
I am sick to fucking death of bandwidth providers telling me less is more, restriction is freedom and then not delivering on the bandwidth. How many of you people in restricted regions get BETTER service? How many get CHEAPER service? Is there ANY FUCKING BENEFIT you've received in return for having some of your rights stripped away?
And if they want to tell me that it forgoes capital investment to maintain their service levels, which they don't have anyway, then I want to see official proof. I want to see one damn scrap of paper they'd be willing to send to the FCC.
Otherwise RoadKiller?, Fuck Off. And the bird ya rode in on.
I agree. I have in to free speech, free beer, free software as much as the next guy. But also I grain of salt evreything as well.
People have replied that teachers, independent artists, etc, have their medium out their for the masses. WTF? Who says " Want to download our stuff? Just hit Kazaa, Grokster, the most unprotected, virus laden network out there. A decent amount of webspace with almost unlimited bandwidth can be had for next to NOTHING! If I was an independent artist it would be on MP3.com or some other music venue. I agree these p2p's might be another way to get heard, but really, come off that. "Dude get my tune and Nimda all in one shot"
I would venture to guess that %5 of the traffic is legit warez. Only 5 though, and that is probably a way high estimate.
No time to rip a cd I already own? Hmmm, so when you sleep at night you can't pop it in a box and hit enter? But not busy enough to wade through Grokster to find a complete mp3 after ten minutes of searching?
I know if I want a full blown copy of something to try I will look on Kazaa, and if I just want a song on a cd I do not own, I will get it off the net.
I am up front about this. I buy many cd's and I leech many too. I have been on this scene since probably 1980 with boxen but the difference is we were a little more upfront with out 'piracy' try before you buy.
P2P should be allowed, but who is going to police us.
And you know what, people in the IT industry are the biggest pirates of all. "Need it? We got it at the office, I'll burn a copt, I'll rip an image".
How many people are downloading Rob Jeremy rips for backups? How many people here didnt leech AOTC? Are the Testkillers, Transcenders, Solaris guides?
I bought the MacroMedia suite this week, it hurt. But in a way it felt good.
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Verizon (DSL) blocks TCP 80 outbound. They've done it since Code Red, and when I called them to bitch, they said they'd probably never re-open it.
Such is life. We're buying into the service they provide. Don't like it? Start your own.
Notice that when your cable modem / dsl router hands you an IP address, you also get handed two or three DNS servers. Technically, the ISP only needs to allow you to hit port 53 on those particular servers, and nothing else, in order for you to have a fully funtional internet connection. As long as recursion is enabled on the DNS servers (and it is) they'll hunt down the IP address you're looking for so you don't have to.
Adelphia (head quatered in PA) runs like 99% of the cable service here in Buffalo, NY. My parents, whom live in Syracuse, NY have Road Runner and I was seriously impressed with their service. The Turner people run a very good service and I was pretty hopeful that they would buy Adelphia and fuck the Regis's out of the company.. and run my service considering that Adelphia is a fucking shady company.. like WorldCom and Enron.. etc etc etc..
.. .in the champague room".
but after reading this.. and visiting the links.. well damnit.. doesn't ANYONE give a shit about customers anymore?
jesus.. we pay like 50-100 bux for service.. and fuck if we get any real access anyways!
Really pisses me off that we pay a premimum price for bandwidth (poor college student speaking here), and we get fucked in the end.
As Chris Rock would say, "There is no sex
For all bad things about MicroSoft, it is still an earned monopoly - a company whose products I can always replace with something else if I want to.
I am amazed that people don't scream at these monopolies and the government seems to be unwilling to break these up further. Be it cable internet or tv, I would like a few more choices.
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Collusion of ISPs - Remember the story last month where the leading companies in the Cable internet Biz got together? Think the only thing they talked about was capping bandwidths lower? Call it the OPEC of the internet. A handfull of companies control the fastest growing, and only viable, highspeed internet access. They can either backbight each other or agree to sell under terms where everyone gets a profitable piece of the pie
Market consolidation. look to see even more consolidation in the industry. Bandwidth providers combining with connection providers and maybe even content providers. The market is unhealthy with all the instability on Wallstreet many companies are ripe for takover or ready to deal.
My friends, the days of the "good deals" are over. Cable internet providers know they own the future of internet access and are making sure that future is profitible to the max. Look at it this way, what choice do you have?
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
Maybe its time to implement the rebel alliance network, what, with the Empire trying to take control of the public internet.
/depend/ on the public internet. If the Empire ever ceased control of the public internet, the rebel alliance network would still have to be function.
It would be a completely isolated network that existeted parallel to but independent of the public internet. Maybe it could exclusively use ipv6. Maybe it just needs an underground top level domain (.ran?) and its own set of DNS servers. Maybe it would implement its own security protocols to keep the Empire out! I suppose that maybe it could use the public internet in some cases (tunneling?) but it could never
It would be just like the early days! So whose going to set up Rebel Alliance Linux? I think M$ Pandemonium (er, Palladium) could be used in our favor!
Get a T1 installed and stop whining. You lost your rights to all that you claim when you signed up for the service. You did read the small print, right?
If you are a biz you pay biz rates.
Cable companies complain that power users use too much bandwidth and thus drowns out normal to light users. So they impose restrictions such as this to curtail it.
Cable companies also said that cable itself would be free of commericals, however it's all i see now-a-days on the tv. Even premium channels like HBO et al promised in their beginnings that it would be commerical free. But even they have commercials. I mean, that was one of the big incentives to pay that premium price.
It wouldn't matter if its a handful of power-users who use kazaa or any other p2p, or those power-users who utilize cable modems for streaming media, such as music and video, which is WHY BROADBAND WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SO GOOD AT.
Thing is people, they designed a system, and promised you all you can eat for a flat fee per month. Around here at least it wasn't $x.xx per MEG/kbps, it was just like the 19.95 dialup ISP deals that is common place today outside of AOL, MSN and Earthlink.
What would the cable companies do if Broadband (totally legit) media took off with consumers, and people started really USING the bandwidth that is given to them? They'd start restricting just like their doing with Kazaa and other p2p's now. Same thing different usage.
I don't understand why they can't just cap their customers to X kbps and make sure everybody can reach that max and be done with it. At least then you have your limit, and you can utilize all of the bandwidth that is given to you.
I have Adelphia cable, and I use it well. However i am capped at around 60kbp or so, but every so often i can reach up to 90kbps to 120kbps depending on the time of day, in my case it's after midnight to the wee hours of the morning.
I haven't been sent any letters or anything to indicate that i'm a "bandwidth hog" (thank god) but I think differnet cable companies have different setups and polices.
Cable broadband I don't think has reached the commodity status yet. But I really dislike the "pay per meg/kbps" model.
I'd pay for the "a limit and all i can eat within that limit" model though. Just like dialup and the 19.95 deal, just more bandwidth and more money. None of those weird ass restricitons. I think that's what i'm getting now, at least until i'm notified and told otherwise.
I don't think I make much sense, but maybe i can make some change.
A Penny for my thoughts? Here's my two cents. I got ripped off!
I'm a Roadrunner user in San Antonio. As soon as I saw this article posted I fired up gnutella-gtk to see what was going on. I haven't used gnutella-gtk in at least a month so its host cache was stale, but after 15 minutes or so things lit up - no blocking here, at least as far as gtk-gnutella is concerned. Two files are being downloaded from me right now.
why would they be mad about the increase in bandwidth usage when they cap everyone off already? supposedly they have enough available bandwidth to have everyone using thier maximun amount, and some to spare. or are they lying about how much cable they have buried?
If they are trying to avoid copyright lawsuits, they are actually making it worse for themselves. By censoring my online communications, they also assume responsablity if I send hate mail, download warez and so on. On the other hand, if they are worried about bandwidth - well why would people get high-speed access if they were not going to use bandwidth? I bet most customers will at least occasionally download audio or video. They can cap the total bandwidth and document the limits but it has nothing to do with what exactly I am doing - sharing files or videoconferencing.
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Stop complaining and PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS. RoadRunner has systematically cut back on features you found reason to pay high prices for, fast file transfers, full time servers, VPN. There's really no point to fast WWW browsing or e-mail retrieval.
As distasteful as it may be to dunk bossy broadband, its a real treat to select a nice, small ISP and not worry that they're going to block next. If you have ISDN as an alternative, pick that up. 128K isn't anything to sneeze at, especially with an upstream provider that doesn't believe in their right to get in your way.
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I don't think their actions have anything to do with copyright or piracy. Think about it: if a cable company has a node serving a neighborhood through a single coax loop providing 30Mbit of shared bandwidth with each user being able to snag up to 3Mbit downstream (the situation where I live), and there are just three people on the loop who are downloading 24/7 using some fastrack servent, then nearly a third of their bandwidth capacity is being used by three people.
9 9999999% of all activity on the fastrack network violates copyright. Users have no means of legal retaliation.
They're not blocking fastrack for copyright/piracy reasons. They're doing it because fastrack users consume a _lot_ of bandwidth and internet service provider business models are completely and utterly dependent on customers that don't fully use what they pay for. In the same way that modem ISPs never have enough modems for every customer to dial in at once, cable ISPs never have enough bandwidth for every customer to download (at full speed) at once. They blocked fastrack because:
-Blocking it frees up a _whole lot_ of bandwidth. That bandwidth can then be oversold to many more customers, increasing revenue without having to increase network capacity.
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-It's used by relatively few people. Blocking port 21 (ftp) would cause an uproar. Blocking port 1214 (fastrack network search traffic) caused only the tiniest of squeaks.
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It can only stomp on your toes which can be avoided...standing behind a horse is safe if you are no farther then a foot from it's rump..you are so close that the horse can't develop a full swing and cannot kick you hard. If the horse can move forward you might fall into range so try to tie up or use a stall or something so the animal cannot pull away into striking range. If you make a good relationship however the above is unnecessary though. I have had mare that welcomed me...pushed back every time I shoved, and contracted her cunt to milk my cock dry. Horses are some of the best pussy I have ever tried! And I have tried plenty of PEOPLE & ANIMALS! Also horses are easily trainable! As long as you make sure they enjoy what is happening and don't force them or get angry with them if they misunderstand what you want of them, they will love you always. Above all try to understand what they like and do it to them....by doing whatever, to make them happy, they will respond by granting you greater freedoms. Once you have successfully fucked a filly a few times she will be used to it and look forward to your visits so long as you give her the attention she desires. You must experiment and treat her as a lover and see what turns her on. Treat her as she wants and she will give you all. The Stallion A stallion is one of the most proudest, powerful, masculine, things there is. All stallions are very oral and like to nibble and bite on anything available. This can be annoying and painful and they should be trained against it at a early age or else you should wear a padded suit, so that they can bite you painlessly. This might be considered as a horse that allows itself to be bitten without reacting is signaling that it is sexually receptive. Stallions that have successfully coupled in the wild are somewhat resistant from seduction by humans. If they are isolated, tempted and trained, then they will become more acquiescent but the best ones are those that have been raised in a human environment since weaning, since they have not had sex with other horses they are more amenable to having sex with humans when their hormones kick in and they are looking for some release. Bringing a wild horse to orgasm can be more difficult. They are used to a mares pussy which is several degrees hotter then a humans body heat. A person could fuck or suck them and not bring them to the point of orgasm unless they had been isolated and deprived and unable to help but cut loose with a load. Stallions can be readily trained though. Most stud farms use artificial insemination, the stallions are aroused by the scent of mares in heat and then an artificial vagina filled with warm water is slipped over their cock and they reach orgasm. The stallions soon learn the routine and just be leading them into the proper barn they know what is coming and obtain an erection. This can work for you too. By coming repeatedly to a horse and arousing him he will become trained to see you as a sexual object. Soon just your presence will give him a throbbing hard-on. Arousing the Stallion Stallions are aroused by the smell of horse pussy above all else. If you have access to a mare, then gentle her till she will let you finger her...then coat your fingers with her juice. Now rub your fingers across the stallions nose! He will react even if she is not in heat! He knows the smell! I have done this to geldings! Horses that have been castrated and they still got a hardon!!! Also pet & rub the horse and rub his cock...don't pull on it hard.. be gentle...big as it is it is still tender! If you rub his belly and sheath slowly and gently and let him smell some horse pussy juice then he will erect. If you can find a horse in heat then grab some urine and refrigerate it. Take some out and thaw it when you want it. Rubbing some hot mare piss on a stallions nose will make him horny as hell! He will be all over you! Once a stallion smells that he doesn't care what he fucks! He just wants a hot hole. Make sure there are no other horses around...otherwise he will jump them instead of you! Some horses have been trained too react to certain cues, others react to their own natural cues...I remember a $1,000,000.00 Arabian stallion I trained.. He stuck his tongue out about 1/2 inch...when someone would rub this small crescent he would instantly get a raging hardon...more proof that stallions are very oral. This stallion had never had sex with a mare...he had only climaxed through the intervention of humans and was quite happy with having sex in a artificial vagina with the help of humans...training does wonders. NOONE SHOULD ATTEMPT VAGINAL OR ANAL INTERCOURSE WITH A STALLION unless they have are experienced in fist fucking or have taken a large dog in to the max ( IE knot and all). A horse has an enormus cock and could do serious damage to someone who is not prepared. A horse cock can easily grow as big as the knot in a large dogs cock so if you can't take that in then you aren't ready. PS. A large dog can stretch you where a horse can fit if you make the switch before the hole shrivels. Country boys - you know where the animals are and how to get them...you don't need to read this. City Boys - Drive out to the suburbs and find some isolated horses.. try to encounter them in the day and get them used to you then return at night to have some fun. IF there are stables around then spend some time there. Sign up for riding lessons or whatever and then kind of fade out and help groom the horses and clean the stalls. Chances or whoever runs the scene will be glad for the help and won't question your presence there. You can help run the show by day and return for sex at night. Just be careful, there is less privacy in the city as compared to the country. You sure don't want to be caught! New animals on the block!! We now have miniature donkeys and horses as well as the larger ponies to play with! These animals reach a maximum of about 200 pounds for the purebreeds and somewhat larger for the crossbreeds. You can buy or breed an animal just for your size specifications! Male and female animals made to order. Miniatures are currently selling (dec. 1991) for $300 to $3000 depending on pedigree. Anyone can find a horse their size. Support and promote these animals. They are salvation to us all. The mares are tight and the stallions are all sizes...one can be found to fit any hole. ANIMAL TRAINER (C) 1991 EDITORS NOTE: I have known animal trainer for many years and he is very experienced with animals. Take his word as gospel....he knows what he speaks of and is a true beastie wonder! The 5 years he spent on the stud farm gave him extensive equine experience!
oh no.... an ISP is taking action stop the illegal distribution of copyrighted material (in virtually all cases of Kazaa use). How is this a problem? Maybe we need a poll to see how many of the whiners are using Kazaa for illegal purposes - me thinks the will be a correlation between the two. Abuse a service and you will loose it - why is that so hard to understand ? - HeXa
Unless, that's who you work for. I doubt it though, since my experience is that Speakeasy is friendly with the subversive elements of the net. At the end of the day, I am willing to pay a premium to the ISP that gets off my fucking back.
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Anybody who is angry about Roadrunner blocking their p2p file sharing should cancel their sevice, and tell them why. If no other high speed service is available, groups of former subscribers could get together, and start a Motorola Canopy Wirelss ISP of their own. Slashdot posted a story about those a while back. No one should continue to do business with a company that won't give them what they are paying for. Pull the plug.
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It's responses like this they REALLY get to me. I'm assuming that you (like me) are a U.S. citizen. In this country, so many people think that if there is a legitimate business reason for taking an action, then it must be justified. I can't even begin to say how much this pisses me off. Yes, I understand that businesses are in business for one thing--to make money. But there are so many more lofty goals that people should pursue. Capitalism is not the be all end all of morality.
What ever happened to people who started a business because they wanted to provide a service to the community? They worked at a profession because it meant something to them. When did we all adopt this middle-management company man attitude that a company is entitled to profit at other people's expense?
Yes, Roadrunner has the right to do what they want with their service. But if they are selling "Internet Access," then they should be selling "Internet Access." They don't advertise "Web and FTP access." But obviously it doesn't really matter what they advertise, because it's more profitable if they fudge a little bit. Well, bull shit. I've had enough. I'm sick and tired of Corporate America(TM) and their never ending pursuit of profit. Their are some things that capitalism is ill-equipped to handle. With more and more corporate mergers in the works (which equals less and less choice for consumers), it looks like customer service may be one of those things.
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
so they block Gnutella port - why not change the gnutella port to port 80 and start that fav gnutella again...
and more importantly -- they can bandwidth limit during peak times; and let it go full during non-peak times -- their bandwidth during non-peak would go unused anyways, so what should they care?
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I heard an ad on the radio this afternoon, for roadrunner, advertising how "with roadrunner high speed online, you can download music for your road trip".
So, on one hand, to get people to sign up, they're touting broadband for downloading music, but once you're paying for the service, they yank the carrot away. Cute. And they wonder why AOLTW debt is trading around junk levels.
This kind of technology has already been implemented in many gnutella clients. Gnucleus (my favorite one) can be configured to use random ports.
I was was working on a custom tailored compression algorithm for gnutella search traffic that would reduce search network traffic bandwidth usage to (a rough guess) 20% of what it is now, but that got shelved for a while when real life (tm) suddenly became a priority. I will undoubtedly resume work on it soon, but while I was toying with a few different ideas regarding the gnutella protocol I came up with an idea for a completely unrecognisable (from the ISP's point of view) communication system for p2p. Briefly:
Step 1: Use the current system of random port assignments using gping/gpong/GWebCache to spread node data.
Step 2: Upon connecting to another node, before any handshaking of any kind is done, exchange public keys (generated by each instance of the node software upon install) and use them to set up an OpenPGP compliant encrypted tunnel.
Step 3: Use the standard gnutella three way handshake to exchange node data and negotiate options (e.g. QRP support, compression, etc...)
Step 4: Begin normal network operations.
It's undetectable because there is no distinguishable pattern even if the ISP decides to sniff packets.
-The ports and IP addresses are random.
-The first 2 kbits (or whatever length) of the connection are random (public keys would be generated randomly by the node software on install). Especially paranoid nodes could generate a new key pair for each connection.
-All the data following that would be encrypted (random).
Since everything (IPs, ports, data) would be random (not to mention protected from snoops!) ISPs would have no way of blocking it. Their only option would be to execute a man in the middle attack, but that would require modifying the data stream which, while undetectable & successful in the event that the connection in question is in fact a gnutella connection, would really confuse anything else.
In short, an ISP would not be able to check a connection without destroying it in the case that it's not p2p.
I can't get to the first two links on dslreports, but did anyone notice that the third link was to a discussion thread dating back to February?! (The big clue was that they're referring to Morpheus being part of fasttrack, which it hasn't been for a while). The fourth link seems mostly about a guy who's suffering dl/ul speed problems, hardly symptoms of port blocking. Oh well, at least it's an interesting hypothetical ...
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Quit whining about how $40 doesn't buy unlimited 1.5M up/down. You probably have access to better terms, but it will cost you more. I have DSL: Speakeasy gives me a static IP and lets me serve anything I want. The downside is that it's slower than cable, and it's $20 more expensive. My choice.
If you don't have multiple choices, talk to your city and figure out why. They're the ones granting the franchises.
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Packeteer can do things like this to traffic. See their management-level Flash presentations. It's a quality-of-service system, with a "lousy service" option. There are other vendors; I have no idea whether RoadRunner uses Packeteer, but there's a good chance that they have something comparable.
Yes, encrypt your traffic and use non-standard ports. Or how about this: let's all design a dynamic scheme for network traffic whereas ports opened are opened randomly and highly encrypted RC5'd PGP signed tunnels are used in every aspect of communication.
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Mediaone (now att broadband) has already acted quite deviously with me last year. They set not only set a port scanner but also set a scanner to monitor my outgoing CGI data so that they can detect all my different OS's under my router and so shut down my router's IP. As a result I was forced to roll back my network and now have to pay extra for the extra IP addresses. What a scam...
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In other words, what they want is for people to pay a lot more per month to do very little more than they can do with dialup.
If they manage to prevent via port/IP blocking and/or AUP the use of their system for anything more, even Joe Sixpack from Deadfish, ID might start wondering why the hell he's paying $50-70/month for the kind of interactivity he was paying $20/month for.
Do you have any new sort of things that might be worth trying with broadband of the sort that might be the next killer app... the thing that will make everybody realize that they can't live without broadband?
Try it with a cablemodem and you might have the police or FBI kicking down your door.
If you have anything more interesting than a P2P server in mind, think in terms of relocating to a place where you can get citiLEC service or of creative DIY alternatives... find an ISP willing to let you stick a microwave antenna on their roof or do the other end of a DIY DSL setup. Or start looking for dot.com investors and get yourself a T1.
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Why is this even an issue? If an ISP sells 100kps of upstream and 1000kbs of downstream, are they not legally required to provide that as often and as much as requested? Road runner users should get a class action to charge Road Runner with a breach of contract, as well as a court statement saying that "no servers but 100kps upload" is self-contradictory.
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I'm in South/Central Texas, and RR doesn't seem to be blocking Kazaa here. I'm downloading just fine right now. Did some searches too. Worked for me.
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Tools -> Options -> Traffic -> Disable sharing of files to other Kazaa users.
Done.
How about the cable companies offering speeds they can support users taking advantage of? The cable companies keep offering faster connections, then denying users the ability to use the speed. Just give everyone a solid 60 kps or whatever their pipe can stand and forget about it. That's what DSL providers do more or less.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but cable Internet is quickly becoming useless. The prices keep going up, multi tiered access is right around the corner, they're harassing anyone who uses a router, forget about using VPN, newsgroups suck, IRC sucks, email sucks, etc. etc. The glory days of unlimited cable Internet died with @home. Right now, DSL is a much better choice...but for how long?
I'd guess most people running Kazaa aren't running it on a server. (In fact I run it in a virtual machine in VMware so I can isolate it and shut it down when not in use.) So I say put it all on 80, that'll fuck with the cable companies. >:)
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They advertise this crap on TV as "Fast, Always on, virtually limitless bandwidth etc. etc." And show a guy streaming music videos and crap. Then they strip you of the right to be able to do crap like this.
Sure we can make a client with rotating ports. But what happens if an ISP decides to proxy all traffic?
Time to go back to dialup or ISDN... the last time we were truly free!
except theirs isn't completely blocked, they have a huge range or ports capped at .5k or less
.6mb upload cap on EVERY modem when they advertise 1.5mb.
also, they have a 1.0mb download and a
wrote in and complained about it, their reply : "there is no way you can actually get 1.5mb/sec on the internet, so don't worry about it"
replied back and told them that we can't get it B/C they had it capped, they replied w/"oh..... i talked to 3com, they said their modems misread the config file. I'll get around to change it, but its not a top priority"
1)the "misread the config file" thing is total BS
2)its been months and still no change
1. Try http-tunnel and you should be able to get through without problems
2. Kazaa doesn't support linux so who cares others will fill the void (gnutella)
3. People will just revert to other methods - so it doesn't stop them it just limits their efficiency at copying for a while....
Anthony
Well i wish that my ISP would block KaZaa ports. I don't care about the other P2P programs but i'm really not liking the idea of an attack on KaZaa's stupid many million user network knocking out my cable provider. Granted i'm really paranoid and don't like the idea of my cable company imposing anymore of their near monopoly privilages. I figure what they should be concentrating their efforts on is getting rid of popups and spam, there's some bandwidth for them, all the java and pictures coming through just so i can click close button, that's just waisting their bandwidth 5K at a time.
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I can tell you that it is certain death for any company that does that. It has to be the most hated way of limiting use of bandwidth known to man. I something that's for sure -- if my provider moved from limiting by total usage to incremental speed decreases I'd quit them that hour.
Next thing you know they'll add remote controlled governors to trucks and force them to go slower and slower depending on how many miles they put on them. Blech! You can keep those heavy handed tactics off my network connection, TYVM.
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This is why everyone is tunneling their application protocols within HTTP. HTTP is quickly becoming the bearer protocol for all new Internet services just for the fact that it can get through filters and firewalls.
http://tools.waglo.com:8888/kazaa.php
If you think this is obnoxious, and as a RoadRunner customer, you want to complain in the loudest possible fashion, call them.
:-)
Call their tech support number. Tie up their customer service people for as long as you can stand to be on the phone.
They don't care if you post in their forums. Bits. Easily ignored, nearly free.
When you call their 800 number, you are costing them money. They keep track of how many calls they get to tech support. They keep track of them by issue, and how much that issue is costing them. Customer support is where most companies see their profit margin evaporate, and consequently it's the one interaction with the customer that they watch closely to make sure they make the customer happy, because support costs money.
They don't care about your silly "rights". If 30% of their customers called to complain about their underfed cats, they'd probably send everyone cat food with the next bill. They don't listen, but they do react.
Make them pay.
-pmb
If you have an office machine or a friend with good bandwidth, just setup a VPN with 3DES and they will never have any idea what you are doing.
If that is the excuse (apart from moneygrubbing), why not block Porn, Hate Sites, Online Gambling etc as well?
The biggest problem is that this will be considered fine to many people. After all, they say it's only pirates that use these programs.
Then RR can simply apply this to other things that will use 'excessive' bandwidth.
Oh, your Everquest client uses too much bandwidth. But our new AOL game doesn't.
The chat server you connect to is eating up too much bandwidth, you should use AOL's chat rooms.
Complain now and complain loudly.
worse and worse...
this really isn't that big of a deal to me right now, as I don't use Kazaa (and I'm not mentioning what I use!!) or RoadRunner,
but if / WHEN this were to happen here,
in Canada,
with other software's ports,
and Roger's and/or Bell net service,
we'll all be screwed, royally screwed.
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Right - and even dynamically, finding an IP spewing files via Kazaa, adding that IP to the ToS-setting ACL, then taking it off if/when the offending behavior ceases.
You like taking it up the ass from corporations, don't you? Moron.
Horrible crimes are committed using the road and telephone system -- crimes almost as bad as file-swapping, such as murder and rape. But the people responsible for the roads and telephone system are not liable for these crimes. To some extent this a question of practicality -- the telephone operators cannot listen in to all conversations -- but more importantly it hard to see how vetting telephone conversations according to there content is compatible with a democratic society.
But somehow, for some greater good, such as the protecting the five major labels' total control of music distribution, this principle is being abandoned for ISPs. I think this is a slippery slope. In a land such as the US, with so many lawyers and politicians susceptible to lobbyists with big cheque books, is hard to believe that other bodies will not want to tell the ISP's what they can deliver to their customers. I am sure there are other forms of content that could conceivably hurt some company's profit margins.
Even if Americans feel they have to violate the principle of non-liability of communications providers for some overriding greater good then they must surely build in some accountability into the system. Internet communication is becoming so important that the terms of service should be regulated. In particular, they should written in such a way that that ISP service can only be denied when the ISP can prove beyond reasonable doubt that some heinous crime, such mailing a friend a MP3 file, has been committed. Just blocking a port because you think that someone might do something illegal on that port should not be permissible.
In general, however, the principle should be defended that communications providers are in no way liable for what is being communicated and they should not be allowed to tailor their service based on the content. If file-swappers hog bandwidth, use traffic shaping to limit their bandwidth (and put this in the terms of service). ISP's should not be snooping on what private parties communicate amongst themselves or otherwise be making guesses about the use of bandwidth -- at least in a democratic society, which the US makes some pretense of being.
Port blocking is just putting a band-aid on the problem. For the end-user there will ALWAYS be ways around this - someone creates a p2p app that uses port 80 as the transport. The cable/DSL companies goofed on this one and now they are struggling to come up with these half-assed temporary fixes that really don't provide a good long-term solution. Sometimes good solutions to these problems can be found in other areas that have nothing to do with the internet. One area that comes to mind that might provide a solution for this problem is the concept of a toll road. Typically toll roads are built as an alternative for people to use rather than the slower and longer public routes. Its a win/win situation - the drivers are happy because they get a faster and more convenient route and the owner of the toll road is happy because he gets money that helps pay for keeping the road operational. Keeping that win/win concept in mind we can apply it to this bandwidth problem. Users who want to use extra bandwidth (faster download/upload speeds) will have to pay a little extra for it and Cable/DSL companies will use the extra money to provide circuits that can accommodate the "high bandwidth" users. This solution is similar to what Giganews does. As most of us know, Giganews is a news service that provides access to USENET newsgroups (including most of the popular warez and pr0n groups). The pricing plan is based on how many bytes the user downloads - the more you download the more you pay. Bottom line is that p2p and other high bandwidth application networks aren't going away. As more and more new p2p users are added to the network the Cable/DSL companies need "widen their roads" to support them - and if that means that I have to pay a few more bucks a month to have a reliable network then sign me up.
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Port blocking is just putting a band-aid on the problem. For the end-user there will ALWAYS be ways around this - someone creates a p2p app that uses port 80 as the transport.
The cable/DSL companies goofed on this one and now they are struggling to come up with these half-assed temporary fixes that really don't provide a good long-term solution.
Sometimes good solutions to these problems can be found in other areas that have nothing to do with the internet. One area that comes to mind that might provide a solution for this problem is the concept of a toll road.
Typically toll roads are built as an alternative for people to use rather than the slower and longer public routes. Its a win/win situation - the drivers are happy because they get a faster and more convenient route and the owner of the toll road is happy because he gets money that helps pay for keeping the road operational.
Keeping that win/win concept in mind we can apply it to this bandwidth problem. Users who want to use extra bandwidth (faster download/upload speeds) will have to pay a little extra for it and Cable/DSL companies will use the extra money to provide circuits that can accommodate the "high bandwidth" users.
This solution is similar to what Giganews does. As most of us know, Giganews is a news service that provides access to USENET newsgroups (including most of the popular warez and pr0n groups). The pricing plan is based on how many bytes the user downloads - the more you download the more you pay.
Bottom line is that p2p and other high bandwidth application networks aren't going away. As more and more new p2p users are added to the network the Cable/DSL companies need "widen their roads" to support them - and if that means that I have to pay a few more bucks a month to have a reliable network then sign me up.
IANAL...However...I remember watching a TechTV special with Lawrence Lessig talking about copyright and the Internet. In the program, he said that cable can regulate what they can and can not carry. Phone companies, however, because they are a "common carrier", have to allow any type of transmission on their network without bias and discrimination.
-Valen
iMesh is not fasttrack and therefore should not be affected. it uses "The patent-pending iMesh technology," which "allows you to download files from up to seven users at the same time."
Damn!!! The only reason I use RR is so I can download high quality gay pr0n MPEG's off Kazaa!!! Now they're blocking it? Fuck, I'm gonna get all my gay file swapping friends from sherdog.net together, and we'll fight this thing as *hard* as we can! Those peter puffing, cock rockers at RR really need some clue sticks shoved up their asses... Hey, that sounds like fun!
sherdog.net-the number one gay MMA site on the net!
While GigaNews isn't an ISP, they got this whole bandwidth problem right. First off, they don't claim to give you unlimited bandwidth, but have different levels you can buy into. The thing they really do well, imo, is they offer a recycling option. If you want, they'll automatically send you an email when you get near your limit. Go over the limit, and they'll kick off into another month's billing cycle. So, you can intelligently plan your bandwidth usage, and if you want, you can pay to go over easily, without even doing anything. And best of all, changing plans is easy and painless to do. If ISPs are going to start capping user's bandwidth usage, I hope they do something like this.
-- It is too late for the pebbles to vote, the avalanche has already started.
No, but now that you mention it, yes.
I am well aware of this problem. I know, that p2p software consume all bandwidth (even mine) quite efficiently. But still, I run such software on my computer.
But I quess I'm a little bit odd, 'cause this is what I do :
During the daytime, I limit my upload transfer to only 10kbit/s, and download is limited to 20k/s. This leaves a lot bandwidth for all those surfers and game players. And during the nighttime, I limit all transfers to about 50% of total bandwidth (we have 1mbit/s connection divided for all users). Haven't had any complaints yet, so I quess this works well.
I just hope that p2p software developers would make automatic bandwidth controller, which would change limitations according to clock. Would ease my filesharing a lot.
Awww, Kazza go bye bye. We're just gonna have to write something new.
I dont know if this could be it, but the file sharing program for Mac OS X called Neo scans ip ranges for KaZaa/Morpheus clients and can connect directly to the clients without use of the official fast track network. Its predefined for ranges in Charter Communications, Road Runner (Austin, CFL, Maine, MS, Neo, New, NYC, NYC2, NYCAP, NYCAP2, Rochester, STNY, TWCNY, CABLE), and Rogers.com. This and other "ghost" clients could be the reason that RR is blocking ports.
In some markets Comcast already blocks VPN which for those who use it to work from home, it really sucks. Their reasoning for blocking a legitimate service? They want people to pay double for a "Pro" account of some sort.
Broadband might be the only service I receive that not only has been going up in price, but has been becoming more and more restrictive with less features.
I am just glad I moved. In the town where my brother-in-law lives Comcast has already begun routing all port 80 traffic through proxy servers. I hope they don't do that in my town.
--Jon
because cable is run by jews
The next day, there was the same bowl of chokolate with the same sign. Woohoo! Another plate full for me! Also, I had no idea people would be so cranky on Tuesdays, it must have been the bad weather.
The third day, there was a new sign by the chokolate bowl. It said "Two pieces pr person!" What a god damn ripoff! I pay my $15 pr month for a subsidized cafeteria, so I have the right to eat chokolates! I paid for them!! GIVE ME MY CHOKOLATE, OR I WILL QUIT!
As other posters have pointed out, this is very probably a few users with technical problems blaming it on their ISP.
However, this entire issue is a red herring. Roadrunner, as with most cable ISPs, caps upstream and downstream bandwidth. I'm not going to be able to transfer enough over my cable connection, even if I saturate it, to make much of a difference for others nearby. Now, if everyone on my block did this, then we'd notice a problem. But at that point, demand for bandwidth has exceeded the available infrastructure, which obviously did not anticipate people actually using the bandwidth they were told they had.
As for cost, this is also a bad argument. Yes, you can buy a large pipe for some incredible sum-plus-usage-costs for "business use". You seriously think major ISPs pay the same incredible sum for bandwidth? Many have peering arrangements, and for those, more traffic is better - you get more other providers wanting to peer with you. Even if you don't, your bandwidth is so cheap that a sizable percentage of your customer base saturating their connections 24/7 probably wouldn't cost you more than $500 a month.
(To say nothing of the rediculousness of charging for bandwidth usage anyway. Bandwith isn't a non-renewable resource. Any bandwidth not used in a given time interval is wasted and unrecoverable.)
No, to see why this is happening, follow the money. Who gains by preventing citizens from having an easy avenue for sharing music and video? The media cartels. Who's hurt by preventing it? Their indie competition. Wow, what an astonishing coincidence!
Look at me I'm a Libertarian I think I know something about contract law but I just talk out me ass, weeeeeeeee !!!!!!
Here is another vote for DirectTvDsl. I've been a customer with directtvdsl for two months now. We have had 0 downtime, and good speeds. I am in the south east though... I've heard thats the best place for DirectTvDsl.
Their customer services has been pretty darn good too. The modem they sent us can be used either with USB or ethernet... at first we used it for USB because of a networking issue, once that issue wsa resolved we had to call them up and get it changed over to use Ethernet... which took about 10 minutes on the phone.
Or until you get something fixed, come to the
chatroom as listed on the page. Several of the
patrons run fileservers with all of the remixes.
Granted it's not the easiest way to get the
music you want, but it's better than going
without.
I'm amazed that no one seemed to mention that TW/AOL, as a condition of merging, had to OPEN THEIR CABLE MODEM NETWORK! Competing ISPs, in theory, are able to give you cable modem service in TW/AOL-serviced areas. Right now, your three choices are Road Runner, AOL, and Earthlink. Which really means two choices. However, I'm posting this from an Earthlink cable modem account which runs over TWC-installed lines. There's the added bonus that I pay $42 a month for service, all-inclusive, rather than $60, as when I had cable modem service without cable TV.
You DO have a choice...for now.
I dumped Roadrunner months ago. Their service is bad even for a consumer ISP. Port blocking? Peanuts compared to complete service outages that would last for days. Not to mention a service department that never answers the phone. I'm much happier with DSL. Still not completely satisfied, but at least they answer their phone (usually).
Mooney Guy N4074H
Of COURSE, if you cut down on the 10% most expensive customers, you'll make more money. You could do that in ANY business or organization.
Its just in most businesses, you can't tell who's doing that, or kicking off customers would cost you additional ones. Schools can't kick out the 10% of students that need the most help. Technical support can't say "You're so dumb, you're in the top 10% of time we waste per-customer. Never call back."
Here, they were brilliant. Start with "news" articles explaining how those people are costing YOU money!!! What a crock of shit. Stores will charge as MUCH AS THEY CAN, AT ALL TIMES. Call them gluttons, hogs, hackers, theives.
Then, kick 'em off or charge them a LOT more!
Of course, once you've set that precident, now you can start on the NEXT 10%. Then the NEXT 10%. Then the NEXT 10%. Soon, you have a wonderful pay-per-byte system in place, and people only using it sparingly because they can't afford it. Of course, thats great for you, because:
-You still make your $50/month
-Since internet advertising didn't really work out, there's no longer any financial motivation for the ISPs who can really suck out of people when they use the internet anyway
Fortunately, somebody somewhere made enough noise about monopolizing the coax jack that TW Austin had to provide us with the option of using any one of a half-dozen ISPs. One is RR, another AOL, another Earthlink and another some Texas ISP. I think I'll look into changing mine.
Fine print in a contract and in advertisements can only cover RoadRunner so far. Clearly, they are aware this is an unethical practice, or else they'd be a little more forthcoming (like NOTIFYING their customers that something was being cut off).
:(
/. it's no longer a secret, and their offices better brace for a FIRESTORM on Monday. I wouldn't want to be one of their helpdesk drones!
Even though AOLTW is one of the RIAA 5 labels, they probably have as much, if not more, at stake on the OTHER END to get broadband in as many people's homes as they can.
P2P sharing is one reason why I used to have RR, before I left NC and moved back to one of the last broadband free areas of the USA, NE KY
They should have notified customers. I've not read their EULA completely, but I'm sure like most they are totally one sided contracts and they allow AOLTW to change terms at will.
Even IF the EULA covers it though, PRUDENCE tells me that customers who have it cut off suddenly, without notice, are going to be a LOT more pissed off and likely to drop the service than would be customers told in advance.
Now that it's on
Corporatism != Free Market
This would not take DAYS, as you suggested.
Actually, it's been several weeks since I've used Kazaa(lite), and I wasn't running as a supernode or anything... and yet, my firewall is STILL seeing a continual stream of traffic coming from Kazaa users.
I don't think their system really filters out inactive nodes all that efficiently.
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
If I ever see another person thinking they're being somehow insightful by claiming "10% consume 90%", I think I'll puke. Hint: in the business world, the old maxim was 20/80, and this goes back a lot more years than any ISP, or the internet itself.
Virtually every business or service in history sees unequal use from its customers. ISPs are no different. Saying "fuck you" to the 20(or as you say, 10)% of your customers is called suicide to most businesses.
Hell, just imagine if we ran our medical system this way: "well, we eliminated the 10% of our customers who use 90% of our services, and wow! are hospitals ever efficient now!". And in this case it's more like 5/95%.
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
I think he was simply stating that, file sharing apps are almost always used for immoral activities.
Beware of the word "immoral" - Most would probably agree that a lot of filesharing trafic is against the law, but that's not the same as it being immoral.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
A lot of ISPs use hardware that is NetFlow capable.
NetFlow records the source IP, source port, destination IP, and dest port, bytes sent, start and stop times of the transaction. Using packages such as FlowScan, admins can profile users traffic.
This makes it very easy to look at what your users are doing.
I am a RR customer in Houston, TX and have been using Kazaa for the past six months with no problems whatsoever.
I think he should of used the word 'architecture' a few more times. And maybe squeezed in a few paragraphs about synergistic vision.
That'd leave their execs drooling.
To sneak up on you while you are secretly planning to download the latest LOTR Divx using the ACME Kazaa client, and then
Beep! Beep!
Scares the shit out of you, causing you to fall out of your chair, out the door, down the street, and over a cliff where you freefall for 25 seconds, ending up making a little while poof of smoke.
Damn you, RoadRunner! Damn you to Hell!
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
you need to disable your content advisor on internet explorer. that should allow you to use the save target as option
At work monday, I had to route an email through my private smtp server to get it through to a roadrunner customer. Unlike the customers, we don't have the option of simply boycotting roadrunner.
(We are AOL/Time Warner/Charter Cable/RoadRunner/Microsoft/US Government. The distinctiveness of your bank accounts will be added to our own. Resistance is futile. You will be Assimilated. disclaimer: The US Government is merely a supporter of AOL/Time Warner/Charter Cable/RoadRunner/Microsoft/US Government and not a core member. This is subject to change the instant that tax-payers look away.)
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
I paid for "Internet Access". Since I don't live in China, I expect that to mean uncensored, unabridged access to the global internetwork of IP-connected machines, using *any* IP protocol and/or port number that I see fit, within the limit of the bandwidth agreement we have.
I have tried to explain this to TWC multiple times by email when complaining of technical issues that they are cuasing, but they don't give a damn and still refuse to inform their customers.
They block inbound port 80, so that even with a DynDNS setup you can't run a home webserver without resorting to a non-default port. They state in their contract that you're not allowed to run any "server" services, enumerating several like smtp servers, news, www, etc.
The problem is that they see certain things (KaZaa, home web server, etc...) as eating up disproportionate amounts of their bandwidth, so they try to block the protocols to save themselves bandwidth.
IMHO - I paid for unlimited access at Cable's advertised speeds (shared with my neighborhood loop of course), and that's that. If they don't me using so much, don't sell me so much. If they *must*, they should implement monthly xfer limits in the up and down directions and charge for going over (e.g. 10GB down and 1GB up permonth for the usual low monthly fee, larger packages available).
I would much rather be limited in GB/mo that be limited in which ports/protocols I can use. I don't want (nor did I purchase) a Web/Email-only service. I want my IP access.
11*43+456^2
What is downright disgusting is that either of you two have any clue as to what guys that like laying naked in a tub while other guys piss even look like. Where have you seen that?? Do you enjoy seeing something like that? It sounds like you two are the sick fucks.
is EXACTLY what I want to be -- out of anyone's control; which is to say, a free man.
It's not about the money, it's about the freedom.
After reading the newsgroup postings, I strongly think that this is MPAA at work. There was this story of MPAA contacting ISPs to shut down customers that offer files using filesharing software just yesterday.
According to the reports, people see RoadRunner scan their port 1214 and some time after this the port becomes blocked.
I think it works like this: MPAA informs RoadRunner of an "insult", RoadRunner staff checks this customer's port and if there is filesharing software active, they silently block it. It seems to be done manually.
Nothing magical here. But seems like RoadRunner is in bed with MPAA, or they wouldn't do it without noticing their users (and at least ASK them if the MPAA insult is true at all).
42. Easy. What is 32 + 8 + 2?
I'm surprised noone has yet mentioned the fact that there's a virus running around the Kazaa network. Back when Code Red was a big problem RoadRunner blocked port 80, but it appears they've dropped that block in the Austin area now that it's not such a big problem.
I agree that they're doing a poor job of informing their customers about what services they're blocking, but they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't block ports on risky services that have a serious risk of compromising customer machines.
Part of the problem with this is, many ISP's do not recieve an unlimited amount of bandwidth from their upstream. Metered T-1 and DS-3 lines are available from most Tier 1 ISP's, and at the end of the month, the ISP pays for the average bandwidth utilization on that line, whether the utilization was in the day or at night.
Trying is the First Step to Failing --Homer Simpson
In the Kansas City Missouri (misery to those that live here) Comcast is bulleting routers. If it was just mine that had the problem, and it was happening at random, it would be my thoughts that it was my equipment, but when it happens to several locations at the same time, it is a clear attack on the use of routers by coNcast. I agree with the idea of getting the most utility for your dollar and have notified coNcast of the cancellation, and am waiting for DirectDSL to test my phone lines (not a worry, I used to have dsl until the use of PPPoe was enacted by SWB).
While it is slower, it allows the use of servers and one can run their own DNS, at only an increase of $5 dollars a month then what I pay for coNcast shitty service. Speed only helps if one can use the high speed, if it is not usable for more then pop-up adds and looking at what the provider deems PROPER usage (censorship) then to hell with that service, less speed for quality is my motivation. CoNcast habit of lies, using third party customer support in another country, and a complete disregard for providing a quality survive, is the trend. All we can do as consumers is NOT pay or use such a business and then the quality services will survive. The shitty provider's will then either practice quality or go out of business.
karma, hah...
without copyright protections a lot of things wouldn't get made in the first place.
Assuming life after publication is 50 years, and copyright gives the author's estate the monopoly for 70 years after the death of the author, how do you justify giving one author a monopoly over a work for 120 years?
With copyright protections, a lot of things wouldn't get made in the first place because 1. some authors, publishers, and estates refuse to license a work at any price, and 2. some authors, publishers, and estates have a reputation of filing frivolous lawsuits accusing plagiarism, discouraging people from creating new works for fear of the cost of a legal defense.
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I first noticed the problem in early february, when morpheus was still fasttrack. I would type in a search for anything (to test, I tried something really common, like our friends Metallica), and after a few moments it would return 'no results found'. This was frustrating so I went to morpheus's tech chat room (which was full of kids who didnt know their ass from a mouse but were supposedly 'volunteers') and asked around. Though everyone of them had had numerous people from texas coming in and complaining.
I went and downloaded an online port checker which connects to a server, which then tries to connect to you to test and see if your ISP is blocking a specific port. It reported that the usual suspects like 80, 21 and SMTP were blocked - but also the port that fasttrack uses.
I did some more digging and found others who had reported the problem. One guy said he had good luck by disabling file sharing. I tried this, and yes, it did work most of the time.
I called RR's support and got the run around, passed between different departments. When I told them I had gotten a port scan that told me they were blocking, I was given the usual spiel about how port scans were against the TOS, blah blah blah... idiots. I gave up on them.
Nowadays I use kazaa lite with file sharing disabled. Usually I can download 1 to 5 files before searches and downloads stop functioning. If you wait a while it seems to release the block.
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This is just speculation, but I've noticed Comcast's DNS Servers (68.80.0.5 and 68.80.0.6) trying to connect to port 1214 on my machine once or twice.
Screwed up misdirected traffic, or KaZaa scanning. Any comments? Anyone else notice this?
I'm a Clearwater, FL customer. My kazaa and morpheus have not worked for some time. This article confirms what I suspected. So you can add the Tampa Bay market to the list of locations they have locked down.
Big surprise for part of a media giant. It bugs me but I'll live I guess -- so long as I can use ssh & get out to UNIX Empire games I'm happy (usallly port 1617), I'm happy.
You may want to look into ISDN. Where I'm at, there's no decent broadband. DSL isn't available (well, I had someone tell me the stuff was in, but FastAccess site says its not, and their reps are too lazy to check with the local CO), cable is one-way (not taking new customers) and they are pushing the two-way back more and more ... last I heard it's Sep 1st before that's in. Satellite has too much latency (I do Slashdot with Mozilla, and mail/irc over an SSH connection to my co-located box.)
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... not that way here in Tennessee. So if you're in Tennessee, it might be a way to go (especially if you don't have any type of broadband available ... ISDN is supposed to be avilable everywhere, its basically a regular line in digital mode of sorts.) If you're outside the state, check with your telco, it might be more expensive..
So, I'm using ISDN. It's 128Kbit, not the fastest, but it beats dialup majorly. And here in Tennessee it's about $40/mo. for the ISDN line (mine's $45, cause I get call waiting, forwarding, and all that jazz) plus your ISP charges (mine is $35/mo. for 400 hours.) There is one ISP that offers unlimited ISDN but they seem to have alot of upload problems, and a static IP costs you an extra $15/mo. with them!
The ISDN line comes with two channels and phone numbers, so you can be online at 64K and talk on the phone, or do multilink and run 128K using both channels. I have had very few problems with my ISDN, other than the fact it's ended up disconnected by Bell because they mess up our bills..but that's been straightened out now.
I've heard alot of other places, ISDN costs a lot more.. and that alot of places (even here in the US?) bill per minute or hour. I was told down in Huntsville, Alabama (a few hours from here) they get hours per month and then its a charge per hour after that
When a primary means of communication is left to private enterprise, the most politically (NOT technologically or even monetarily, though superiority in those modes would certainly help) efficient ends up owning the customers' means of speech. It's happening more and more rapidly now, too.
The end result is that whoever owns your means of communications effectively controls your speech.
Sure, even if all ISPs end up in the hands of an oligopoly of two or three huge companies people can still use letters, word of mouth and other nonelectronic means of communication. People can still stand on a soapbox in Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park, London, UK last time I checked, but it's not terribly effective unless you can get the TV cameras in.
It's all too possible, in a time of rapid change in the media of communication and rapid mergers in business, for free speech to be shut out of a primary channel. Leaving ISPs to the control of market forces won't kill free speech, no, but making them common carriers would do yeoman work toward increasing it.
I block it on my LAN. (Rather than blocking ports, I just
make sure the domain resolves to an IP address that doesn't
have a web server, but the result is the same.)
Why? First, I'll tell you what's *not* the reason. This
has _nothing_ to do with DRM. I don't care about that.
It's not about bandwidth either; I can run half a dozen
simultaneous instances of wget, no problem. (Okay, that
makes things take longer, but eventually it all gets done.)
So, why then do I block KaZaA? Because of what it does
to the TCP/IP over PPP that connects me to the internet.
Something about the way it forms its traffic causes very
significant issues. Let it run on one workstation for just
a few minutes, and my link up to my ISP eats flaming death.
I can't even ping the upstream gateway then. I have to take
networking down and back up to get things going again. And
they don't _stay_ going until I kill KaZaA. My conclusion
is that KaZaA does something invalid with its packets. I
don't know the details. Perhaps if KaZaA were open source
we could find out. But I'm fairly certain my ISP isn't
doing anything to KaZaA deliberately; I have a medium-sized
regional ISP (bright.net), and while it _is_ dialup, I've
been more than pleased with the service they provide. Their
nntp server is reliable and gets a full feed of everything,
even free.* The phone support is good. The bandwidth is
limited by the phone lines in the area, not by caps. Pretty
much the only things they don't provide are shell access and
cgi -- for security reasons. They know I'm using IP Masq to
share my connection, and they don't care (though they don't
provide support for that). This is a good ISP. But
something about their configuration goes haywire when KaZaA
runs over it. Maybe it's the type of system they use for
their dialup servers; maybe it's even a bug in some vendor's
IP stack, I don't know. It doesn't really matter; regular
traffic doesn't trigger it, and KaZaA does. So if I want
to share files, I do it some other way. I can run proftpd
on my IP Masq gateway if I want, post binaries to usenet,
whatever... this is not about bandwidth consumption or DRM.
It's about what KaZaA's traffic does to a network. Not
because of the amount of traffic, but because of _how_
it's done. (Again, I don't know the details; wish I did.)
Now, I blocked it months ago, and it's possible that
it doesn't have these problems anymore, but I didn't
feel the need to expose my network to the issue again.
Especially after I did a web search and found out about
the known ties with spyware and who knows what. There
are other ways to share files that don't have these
problems.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
Ha! Broadband providers complain about providing bandwidth while secretively delete the ports that people use to make use of that bandwidth. This is typical of capitalism. They are in the business to make money, not provide you with bandwidth.
The solution is simple. Don't complain when you don't get the service you paid for from a commercial company. Do it yourself. Linux is the result of thousands of people deciding that capitalism doesn't work. Commercial Unixs or other OSs did not have the features, source code, bug fixes or standards compliance that people needed, so they made their own. If we all got together and did the same thing with wireless networks we'd be routing through an internet that could handle the bandwidth we all use. The internet as it is today has a few routes. A few years ago it was routing through a few fddi rings running 100Mbps. Today we can buy a wireless router that runs at 54Mbps for $300. Next year we'll have twice the bandwidth at half the cost. The only thing missing from this puzzle is a modern P2P routing protocol written at the low level. I doubt anything like BGP or OSPF would work for a network of several million routers, dynamicly reconfiguring the network to move data where it needs to go while routes and nodes are constantly appearing and disappearing. But when the software is written that can route through an ever changing network of wireless equipment there wouldn't be a need for an ISP and you wouldn't be limitted to 128Kbps of upload on a pipe that would easily push several Mbps. Plus you'd have a one-time-fee of $300 or whatever the cost of your wireless router. Or maybe a one-time-fee that lasts until the next generation of hardware is available. What this needs is a bunch of technically proficient people who love eachother enough to give their time and provide EVERYONE with all the bandwidth they'd ever want for free. Requirement: Love.
How about this scheme:
Instead of completely eliminating port traffic,
why not have rules for bandwidth?
Maybe limit port bandwidth rates to Peer2Peer ports and give priority to other ports. better yet, uncap (at least partially) all ports during low consumption hours (i.e. 2-6:00 AM)
Wouldn't everybody be happy then?
Web Surfers would have a fast connection, and the Warez crowd still download their favorite boy-bands by morning?
Regardless of the T&C, people who pay for a service at any given rate are within their rights to expect that service. If I pay $40.00 per month for broadband service, then I expect broadband service; not limiting factors by the service provider because they did not think of the other users out there. If it costs more to run the service--so be it, blame the p2p people for driving up costs to the provider, but don't expect me to subscribe then either. What the T&C SHOULD read is: "We reserve the right to limit your access as we see fit; regardless of what you pay."
I still can't get the screen shots of Castle Wolfenstein for the Apple IIe out of my head.
aka Imbris
If I'm leeching at top speed, and the connection goes down, it's going to take a while for the client to report "0 kps" as it will perform an average over time of how fast my download is going.
Not necessarily. WinMX (my favorite file sharing program) uses a 10-second window to compute these averages. I'd think the types of users who submit stories to Slashdot would be able to distinguish a gradual fadeoff from a true dropped conn.
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How many people use ftp for something other then mp3 trading and warez?
I use FTP to upload files to my web site because for one thing, my current provider doesn't support HTTP form uploading, and for another, I prefer the drag-and-drop interface of my FTP client to the dialog-box interface of most web browsers' file upload widgets.
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A decent amount of webspace with almost unlimited bandwidth can be had for next to NOTHING!
And I'd like to recommend BinaryBlocks. You get 100 megabytes of space, with unmetered data transfer, Perl and PHP support, and a MySQL database, for only $7 per month.
No time to rip a cd I already own?
When I first started out on the MP3 scene, good ripping and encoding tools were hard to come by. My Lite-On 32x CD-ROM had a bug that would corrupt the last two seconds of any ripped CD Digital Audio track no matter which tool I used. (Then I bought a Plextor burner, which rips audio perfectly.) In addition, it was tough to find Windows binaries of a free(beer) MP3 encoder that went above 96 kbps (RealJukebox's limit) until the developers of the LAME encoder replaced the last of the ISO example code.
I buy many cd's and I leech many too.
$32 for an album? I'll pay $15 for an album at Best Buy, but this is ridiculous.
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Mozilla is a browser after all; why should it serve the intranet?
In some versions of FTP, when you request a file, your client program opens a random port, and then the server pushes the file to you. Some firewalls confuse such traffic with running a server.
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What's next, is TW going to use its power over architecture to mandate that its users connect to RR with Windows/Mac through Internet explorer, and not on alternate OS' such as Linux, BeOS, etc, nor through alternate browsers like Mozilla (which I'm using now)?
Time Warner Cable's parent is AOL Time Warner Inc (hereinafter "AOL(tw)"). AOL(tw) owns Netscape Communications Corp., which provides most of the labor and funding for The Mozilla Organization, the group responsible for the Mozilla browser technology used in the Netscape 6 browser and the forthcoming Netscape 7 browser. I don't see any AOL(tw) subsidiary blocking use of Mozilla in the foreseeable future.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Now here's the difference. A 427 Cobra roadster is a physical object. An MP3 file is a virtual arrangement of already-existing magnetic charges (or something). The space occupying an MP3 file I might download next week is already there. I am just changing the magnetic charges on this pre-existing space to re-construct the data of an MP3. This does not cost money or hold any value in the traditional sense. That's because this data simply does not exist as a physical entity. I am not stealing from anyone. I am copying and duplicating a set of data I am retrieving from another computer and rearranging bits on my hard drive to resemble this data.
Now however, if I were to steal a 427 Cobra roadster, I would be taking a physical object from someone else. I would not be duplicating it using already existing matter, I would be literally taking this physical object. This is not a virtual arrangement and pattern of bits. This is an actual physical object, made out of metal, rubber, paint, oil, upholstery, seat belts, etc. I am not duplicating it by already-existing resources. I am taking some schmo's car. He doesn't have a copy of it. It's gone. Bye bye.
It is a sad thing for someone to seriously equate stealing a very expensive car to duplicating a virtual arrangement or pattern of bits.
A few points to be made here.
First, I used to subscribe to Cable internet in the Chicagoland area. I say used to because even though I never experienced any 'problems' related to port blocking. I noticed in the agreement that I can not run any 'servers'. This bothered my greatly because I have recently began providing (legitimate) web hosting to people. After explaining this to a rep of the cable company I was told "All we do is provide web browser access and mail access. Nothing more is gauranteed. And servers are against the agreement altogether." At this point I quickly changed my service to DSL where the response was "All we do is provide the pipe, any network services are your responsibility". Now, those two attitudes are GREATLY divergent. And its no wonder I am currently a DSL subscriber, in fact have bumped up to biz class after an expansion. So cable wants to just continue to shove 'their paid for' content down your throat where DSL continues to look at itself as just a transport media.
SECOND - this rediculous banter about bandwidth metering is an absolute joke. I pay for T1 speeds whether I use it or not, and if you find me an ISP who doesnt, it is at (what I would hope) are greatly discounted prices for fractional usage.
Last but not least, am I to understand those up at thecorporate level who daily widen the pay gap between worker and executive are actually complaining that 10% of 'column a' are using 90% of 'column b'. These actions better be though over a little more completely, after all 10% of the people 'use' 90% of the money....
just some fat to chew on.
What new customers? I tell people that cable is not worth it, and have undone all sorts of silly adverts that way. As long as the cable people continue to suck, I'm going to tell people that they suck and NOT recomend it to anyone. Not many people think an extra $40/month in ISP charges are justified by an ever suckier web experience. "Pirates" want this? Why bother? You can download all the $20 albums you want over a $20/month dial up. Cable modems really only apeal to people that want to run real servers, and the stable ones don't really care about Kazaa. At some point, their customer base is going to contract. They will then go bankrupt and the equipment will be taken over by someone competent.
So they cable fools invite their end faster than ever.
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.
I am tired of people simply giving in to fascism under the banner of 'morality'. the logic goes somewhat like this:
-p2p service provides avenue for sharing of copyrighted goods.
-sharing of copyrighted goods is illegal(napster bad!).
-thus, all else no matter, p2p get what it deserve!(bad grammar on purpose here to accentuate stupidity of logic)
freedom comes at a price, something that ALL Americans seem to have forgotten(or never learned)...something that I had hoped we might learn from 9/11(boy was I wrong there!)
That is all p2p apps provide-freedom. Freedom to share an application with your friends, to share a novel with the world, to share a mathematical treatise with the community, or to illegally acquire music files. if the latter seems to account for 99% of the activity, do NOT blame the medium, blame the people. P2P apps dont pirate music. People pirate music. Thus. people should be punished(i.e.- individuals), not p2p apps. PERIOD. I think that the approach the MPAA and RIAA has taken of sending letters is the only reasonable course of action to take. Its fair, and it is consistent with constitutional rights and liberties. (dont get me wrong, i would hate to receive one of these).
As far as the rest of you go, stop whining about it and take some action. If you truly want to punish these assholes, and if you really want to make a stand against this impending fascism, then i challenge you to punish these bastards with the ultimate punishment that a consumer can hurl at a business(and gov- for that matter)- BOYCOTT
DO NOT WATCH MOVIES
DO NOT BUY ANY CDS
DO NOT USE A MICROSOFT OS
DO NOT USE A PROVIDER WHO CURTAILS YOUR RIGHTS
This is what i have prepared to do, and I will do if things continue to deteriorate. Eventually, I will run nothing but Linux on a Cyrix chip with a dial-up provider if i have to. What is that you say? what if fascism creeps into these things as well? then I am prepared to not purchase hardware/software/services ever again.
C: you are a troll, and we have been had.
I would not be suprised if the poster was. What better way is there to get people pissed off and repy to you?
It turns out that RR has a server to sniff out people running personal servers like ftp/news/etc. Perhaps they use this computer to block users from connecting to kazaa. I logged incomming connections and found that the sniffing server connects to me on port 80. I have since blocked 24.30.218.54:80. Does anyone in the know think that this may help users regain the right to download illegal music/software from fasttrack? It is our God given right!
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THE GPL IN ORDER TO US GPL'd SOFTWARE. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THE GPL IN ORDER TO US GPL'd SOFTWARE. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THE GPL IN ORDER TO US GPL'd SOFTWARE. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THE GPL IN ORDER TO US GPL'd SOFTWARE.
The GPL is a licence that *ALLOWS* you to redistribute copyrighted information, because nothing else grants you that right. However, it does *NOT* (repeat: NOT) allow you to USE or MODIFY the code. The reason that it does NOT allow you to do that is because it doesn't need to: US copyright law already grants you that right.
The GPL is *NOT* a EULA. You do NOT need to accept it. You can legally use boatloads of GNU software without ever knowing about the GPL. You are *NOT* bound by the conditions of the GPL.
The only time you have to be aware of the GPL is if you do something that US copyright law doesn't let you do otherwise, i.e. redistribute the code and/or distribute derivative works.
A link to, or a copy of their T&C's? I can't find one on their website, and without reading the T&C's, we're just mouthing off.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
If this meant that I could get a good internet connection without the knowledge that a load of kids were stealing my bandwidth, then it'd be a good selling point to me. Let road runner put the breaks on Kazaa, etc. If I wasn't interested in using / paying for p2p traffic, then surely I should be allowed to choose a service provider that provided a service that didn't include it. (And Vice Versa) This isn't a freedom of speech issue; this is an issue about a consumers right to choose the service they want.
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Whoa!!!
I work for RR Business Class in Greensboro NC, and we don't do anything like that- however, we have a full time (well will be soon) abuse coordinator, that constantly gets calls from Microsoft, Adobe, etc... to stop people from sharing out their software illegally on servers. It's plain illegal to share Win2K on a server. No two ways about it.
We also get calls from Sony and others about people sharing MP3s of their artists, we just normally call and tell them to turn off file sharing I think (but it's not my job so I don't know what they really do.)
I haven't heard anything about this port blocking here. Kazaa will probably go to dynamic port switching soon...
Going to tell my boss that I dont like this...
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After tinkering with Kazaa a while, I noticed my firewall had caught a port 1214 scan from an IP which resolved to the domain "jam.rr.com". Interesting name, right? If you go to www.jam.rr.com, you get nothing. But http://jam.rr.com/ takes you to the "select a city" page. Very interesting.
Also, as someone else posted, there actually is a way around any type of roadrunner blocking of this type. HTTP-Tunnel will utilize the SOCKS option in Kazaa to route your data over HTTP, which roadrunner cannot block. You can download the program for free to test it out. Setting it up is simple. But to get access to high-bandwidth transfers, you must pay them $5/month. If you do so, speeds are quite high, though maybe not quite as high as they would be otherwise. And HTTP-Tunnel suggests you disable filesharing in Kazaa.
Hmm... I'm a couple days late... Wonder if anyone will even read this...
The problem with this solution... More and more services will steal ports. That mean Kazza and Gnutella running on port 80. This method of limiting access is a bad one!
It's already been pointed out that the best way to regulate users is to have a bandwidth and traffic quota.
Each user gets a certain ammount of traffic. As they hit their cap, their bandwidth slows down to modem speeds. The cool thing about that, they can still surf and download without costing the ISP. Of course you could always make a call and say you're willing to pay extra this month to get back to your full-speed.
That's a good system! Or at least it would be if each user's quota was reset on different days (preventing a single bandwidth surge).
On modems, speed limits are just fine. There's just no way to make it any faster! On broadband connections, the limit should not be speed, but over-all traffic.
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It is interesting to me to see how this is begining to pan out. Seems only a few years ago I was trying all sorts of ways to get a cleaner phoneline so my dial up conenction would get above 26.4k. Now I am on bellsouth dsl and haven't the slightest complaint about the service. $30 more per month than dial up and I get 150 k for download and 25 for upload "UNLIMITED" is what the contract says! I use alot of bandwidth! I keep current on 4 opensource distros and mirror a few ftps with my own public ftp limited to 1 user of course. I also run SETI on each of the 7 pcs on my home network. I had Direcpc before DSL was available and discontinued my service as soon as I realized I was not getting the product as advertized. My current isp hasn't had a problem supplying me with what they offered. I do not see why other isp's should be allowed to block users in any way shape or form. I feel that would be false advertisment and a breech of contract in my case. If thier infastructure cannot support the product they sell then they need to stop overselling it. I don't need my isp to protect me that should be up to me. I don't see master lock coming out and blocking the keyhole to my front door cause I ordered to many replacement keys. Granted as it seems to be missed the trojan like spyware embeded in kazaa was activated recently. (a search on GOOGLE for "kazaa spyware" will reveal all) but isn't it up to me to worry about that? Back when I had dial up I really enjoyed comming to work to use my companies 14 T1 lines to surf the web. Now my company has decided to make thier lan as secure as possible wich has resulted in all traffic being routed through proxies. The priority being cost and security ended up as it is now on our 14 T1's I get a whopping 60kbits/sec. But we still pay for our 14 t1's. As a consumer I would rather have my isp worried about how to get me more bandwidth than securing me or capping me. If we as consumers refuse to accept service we do not want the isp's who do not have a monopoly in the area will fail when they give us low end dishonest services.
They want to do what the airlines do: sell more tickets than seats on the plane. The airlines get away with it by just using unutilized space on other flights (offer you the next ride out & a freebe ticket voucher).
They sell access at X up / Y down, knowing they don't have anywhere near that much bandwith to give out. Most users don't notice/bitch, because just about anything is better than dial-up.This is exactly why you don't see many people ripping out thier T*s for a cable modem, that much reliable bandwidth just isn't that cheap.
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