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Toms Hardware Reviews 65 CPU's, Past & Present
An anonymous reader writes "Toms Hardware has an interesting review of 65 processors ranging from 100 MHz to 3066 MHz. They spent more than 300 hours benchmarking and recording the scores. Worth a quick glance, especially for the Unreal Tournament 2003 scores on the 100 MHz pentium!" CT: Yeah yeah. It's a dupe. Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me.
cool ;-)
Denken hilft.
Read Slashdot much?
Wow, a same day dupe! heh
Within an hour!
Why bother.
Oh yeah...
Damn! There's been a change in the Matrix!
It's not that good a review.
Everyone repost quick! Lets reduce Slashdot to one story!
Omnis amans amens
All my slashdot articles are appearing doubled, there must be something wrong with my video card.
My rights don't need management.
Come on, people!!
GOBACK.
Lordy lord, *two stories later*, how DO you guys do it???? Enquiring minds want to know!
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
wow, this is the first time I've seen the dupe post on the front page with the original. Nice job.
do you read your own website? jesus.
video fans who must have the latest and greatest and who will clamor for more and more Gigahertz and gigabytes.
;)
There is an old theory to do with penis size...
For the record, I am running a 286
"Hi, I'm CmdrTaco, I don't read slashdot, I just post new stories. I don't really know why I have other editors, as I usually get around to finding most everything important on my own - though I might be a bit slower."
He did that on purpose this time. Just to upset the people that gripe about it. He had to have...didn't he?
I don't think I have ever seen a report happen so fast in my slashdot existence!
Just one story seperating them.
All I can say is wow!
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/18/122022 0&mode=nested&tid=137
so we get more comments on this one than the other one. People get so confused and itll be a lot of fun.
I must have gotten really messed up last night, cuz I'm still seeing double!
Jeremy Baumgartner
N/A
...Post Post?
Wow Wow ! !
That's That's Neato Neato!
-- Liberalism is a mental disorder.
I thought you were a computer guy or something
you can get more info here
Ok, It's a lame joke... but withing a really short time of the first one PROVES they dont even look at the frontpage.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
an hour and a half ... is that a record ??
**** lying is wrong even for sleeping dogs
Deja-CPU?
A dupe with only one intervening article, this has to be a record? Next will come the side by side dupe, and finally as a crowning achievement /. editors will manage the heretofore deemed impossible, dupe within a dupe where an article will be a duplicate of itself. Beyond that of course will require time travel/visions of the future, the editors will manage to post a dupe for an article has they haven't actually posted yet, but will in the future.
There's this really cool website you should check out for your news, http://slashdot.org/ - It's a great place to point your browser to occasionally to read.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
Fastest duped article ever?
-Thomas
The Slashdot Sandwich
Take a tasty filling of Gameboy Advanced SP information sandwiched between two two layersof duplicated Tom's Hardware links.
Trolling is a art,
Since this article is clearly a dupe, I say we open up the floodgates to whatever we feel like posting!
Anyone who has anything to say about the article should just go post in the original story.
So, without further ado....
TACO!!!!! IT'S A DUPE!!!!
Toms Hardware has an interesting review of 65 processors ranging from 100 MHz to 3066 MHz.
Oh, wait. My bad.
Adequate speed (Score:5, Insightful)
by Harald74 (40901) on Tuesday February 18, @07:27AM (#5324869)
While one person may be perfectly content with an old Pentium 133 system that stores stamp club membership details in a DOS program in "real-time mode",
Use the correct tool for the job; if a pen and notebook or binder will do, use it. No need to use hours and hours to set up a membership database if your club comprises 20 members and have a meeting every first Thursday of the month...
--
--
A)bort, R)etry or S)elf-destruct?
"I only speak the truth"
Karma: null(Mostly affected by an unassigned variable)
Once again, Slashdot demonstrates its own inability to read their own website....
2 0&mode=thread&tid=137
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/18/12202
video fans who must have the latest and greatest and who will clamor for more and more Gigahertz and gigabytes.
;)
There is an old theory to do with penis size...
For the record, I am running a 286
Who's worse, the one who moderates me, or the one who DOESN'T moderate Taco for the dupe?
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
I've always thought it would be a funny and easy way to karma whore by taking the top rated posts of the previous duped story and posting them as your own. But in this case the memory of the previous story would just be too fresh in peoples heads.
In Republican America phones tap you.
Tom's Hardware brings you this startling revelation: Newer processors are faster than older processors!
Man, your post is even cheaper rip-off than the story it's attached to.
Szo
Red Leader Standing By!
I've recently put together three boxen for family and friends from my spares pile. We're talking 120-150Mhz PIs, 48-64MB SIMM RAM, 1GB drives, quad speed CD-ROMs, 56K modems and 1MB S3 cards, with Win98SE, Word 97, Outlook Express and not much else.
Now, to me and thee, that spec sucks, but to someone that just wants a box for email, browsing and word processing, it does everything that they need to do, as fast as they need to do it.
Sure, I like being able to buy 3Ghz monsters, but you need to sell a lot of systems to make back the the cost of the R&D for them. And given that we should all be aware by now of the environmental cost of computer systems, I'm going to be keeping "obsolete" hardware in service just as long as I can, and thumb my nose at the marketeers who tell me that there are compelling reasons to upgrade other than the magic smoke getting out.
1) Start geek website
/.
2) Post dupes
3) ????
4) Profit!!
In Soviet Russia the dupes post YOU!
Someone is obviously smoking crack at
The Via C3 1Ghz (probably comparable to a Celeron 1Ghz) only consumes 5.7W of power.
I think I know why we see so many dupes these days. What do you do when you're bored at work? Of course, let's check slashdot...
Now, what do you think happens when a /. editor gets bored?
Gee, you repost this lame ass article in less than an hour after the first posting of it, but more than a week after Kevin Mitnick's server is hacked because they couldn't bother to apply the patches to it (not to mention it was IIS!) - still no slashdot story - even though it has appeared on the BBC, ARS and just about everywhere else.
Fucking mitnick sympathizers. I mean, I feel sorry for the guy and what he had to go through too, but how much legitimacy do you have if you're fucking refusing to report NEWS?
Granted it's dead now, but they once stood much like AMD today as a alternative to Intel CPUs. They even started the trend to call CPUs not by its clock (MHz), but by it's "P-rating", roughly how it benchmarked against Intel CPUs.
Will somebody please tell me what the Slashdot 'editors' actually do all day.
I'm sure many Slashdot readers' jobs make us feel time is repeating itself without Slashdot helping.
For a reasonable fee per story, I am offering my services to the editors of /. as a proofreader and duplicate checker. Additionally, I will assist if necessary (at a negotiable hourly rate) in adding code to automatically send the draft article blurbs to my wireless device. I am unable to proofread overnight (I have to sleep sometime), so that will have to be covered by another shift, or written off as "happy slashdot error time."
I cannot guarantee 100% error correction, but I will stake my job on significantly decreased rates of grammar and spelling mistakes, and far fewer duplicate postings.
I would also like a T-shirt that says "I work for slashdot".
Please, for the sake of your readers, hire me. I want to help!
Only 63 more duplicates to go!
I've recently put together three boxen for family and friends from my spares pile. We're talking 120-150Mhz PIs, 48-64MB SIMM RAM, 1GB drives, quad speed CD-ROMs, 56K modems and 1MB S3 cards, with Win98SE, Word 97, Outlook Express and not much else.
Now, to me and thee, that spec sucks, but to someone that just wants a box for email, browsing and word processing, it does everything that they need to do, as fast as they need to do it.
Sure, I like being able to buy 3Ghz monsters, but you need to sell a lot of systems to make back the the cost of the R&D for them. And given that we should all be aware by now of the environmental cost of computer systems, I'm going to be keeping "obsolete" hardware in service just as long as I can, and thumb my nose at the marketeers who tell me that there are compelling reasons to upgrade other than the magic smoke getting out.
Maybe it was an experiment.
To ensure perfect aim, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target
Quite possibly Taco needs to upgrade from the DOS running 486 so that his page loads a little faster next time. Can we suggest this helpful article? http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030217/index.htm l
is the screen on your new laptop?
cleetus, read slashdot much? Taco posted this.
CmdrTaco, this is Hemos.
Hemos, This CmdrTaco.
Can slashcode look for dupes? I want that setting turned on.
I hear you. Loud and clear. You are absolutely right... And I think it's happening because of Taco who appears to be a shithead.
I must be drunk :)
-- Waht? Tehr's a preveiw buottn?
Disclaimer: I have no knowledge of the editor's daily routines and how busy/not-busy they may be. However, I find it difficult to believe that it is a difficult task to browse through submissions and check for dupes.
This issue is not new. This issue reflects very poorly on the professionalism of the site or lack thereof.
So the message that I'm getting is that they simply don't care about it. To me, that is sad.
Praying for the end of your wide-awake nightmare.
OTOH let's start a discussion about all meta discussions that have occurred. OTOH I could just bitch that stories I submit never get accepted. *grumble grumble*
They're from different departments and may not share information.
from the now-that-takes-some-work dept.
from the marathon-benchtest dept.
The Department of Redundancy Department awarded Slashdot with Reduntant Site of The Year Award for excellence in Redundancy.
And the Slashdot editors wonder why they aren't considered "serious" publishers and journalists... ;)
All about me
I snapshotted the page and made it my desktop background because even with twice the average slashdotting traffic the slashdot website is still up and running... You can't slashdot slashdot!
Mi domando chi à il mandante di tutte le cazzate che faccio - Altan
I've recently put together three boxen for family and friends from my spares pile. We're talking 120-150Mhz PIs, 48-64MB SIMM RAM, 1GB drives, quad speed CD-ROMs, 56K modems and 1MB S3 cards, with Win98SE, Word 97, Outlook Express and not much else.
Now, to me and thee, that spec sucks, but to someone that just wants a box for email, browsing and word processing, it does everything that they need to do, as fast as they need to do it.
Sure, I like being able to buy 3Ghz monsters, but you need to sell a lot of systems to make back the the cost of the R&D for them. And given that we should all be aware by now of the environmental cost of computer systems, I'm going to be keeping "obsolete" hardware in service just as long as I can, and thumb my nose at the marketeers who tell me that there are compelling reasons to upgrade other than the magic smoke getting out.
check out pajonet!
New news and more news, again and again and again and again...
Does that mean the website gets double /.ed? OMG that would be painful.
Karma: The shiznight, mostly because I am the Drizzle.
Hoepfully they've got it out of their system already... I'd say that's an improvement.
People will pass up steak once a week, for crap every day.
Now Tom's gonna get double-slashdotted...
If you can't see the value in jet powered ants you should turn in your nerd card. - Dunbal (464142)
Oh come on slashdot, you've posted a dupe, this is clearly not good enough, I expect much higher standards, so instead of ignoring what is clearly a mistake, I'm going to waste my time harping on about it, in the hope that I'll look good in front of the geek community.
I've come to expect better from you, please don't let me down again.
Let me guess, you guys are benchmarking the Pentium 100 for quickest repost?
Get paid to code OSS
The dupes will be coming out before the original post!
THG should benchmark how quickly you can dupe a story with those CPUs.
"The Pentium 100 managed a painful 48 hours between dupes. However, the P4 managed it in just 30 minutes. That's nearly 100 times as fast! Don't you wish you had such a powerful system? Our advertisers do."
...you're just too damn stupid to do it yourselves.
some kind of software check to prevent double-posts?
Looks like CmdrTaco doesn't read the slashdot front page?
I have a very small mind and must live with it.
-- E. Dijkstra
How about you guys create a discussion group to toss your story ideas around in?
Bill
bamph
Early Tuesday a rather strange duplicate posting was the only outward sign of the rising tensions between Hemos and Taco. The spat began when Hemos polished off the remains of the morning coffee before Taco had had any. When Taco remonstrated with him, Hemos was reported to have said: "serves you right for being late for work Rob." Eyewitnesses report that Taco stormed off and with hands shaking from coffee deprivation proceded to make another pot muttering something about wreaking a terrible revenge...
Cmdr Taco, please call off your tiff with Hemos and start talking to him again ;-)
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
Is this the fastest dupe ever or what? Maybe Taco has one of those 100mhz PCs :)
I fought the corporate America, and the corporate America bought the law.
Or the 114th time.
Toms doesnt seem to like the double slahsdotting! :o)
This must be the Slashdot version of double buffering... post the same story twice to ensure smooth, flicker free updates!
In Soviet Rush, today's Tom Sawyer gets high on you.
...that the slashdotting will be twice as big?
I've got it figured out.. the stories are from different departments. I never realizes Slashdot was such a huge outfit.
I am NOT a man!
I am a free number!
bash$ lynx -dump http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/18/131250 &threshold=5 > original_story; /usr/local/slashbot/bin/extract-posts original_story $i > highly_modded_post; do /usr/local/slashbot/bin/post-comment < highly_modded_post ; $i=$[i+1]; done
;^)
bash$ $i=1; while
Watches karma roll in
On the other hand I'd like to submit a story about the Gameboy Advanced SP....
"lik-sang has a review with full photos of the new Nintendo Ganeboy Advance SP. Not just supplying heaps of photos they have even beaten the pack on voiding the warranty and include heaps of internal photos. The handheld market is heating up with new releases from Nokia too and also the feature packed GP32. Oh and maybe then there maybe some Sony competition soon?"
Note: grousing about rejected submissions is Offtopic and usually gets moderated that way. It happens, don't take it personally.
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... Tom's Hardware found that using an original Pentium I with floating point errors for your web server would cause a mathematical error in common forum code and could lead to duplication of stories ...
Is Anandtech going to do a review of all RAM since 30pin SIMMs? Is HardOCP going to do a review of every Case Mod since the Mid-Tower? I know I am going to do a review on every Hard Drive since the 10Mb I had on my Tandy 1000. My conclusion: they've gotten bigger since then.
I knew that weather could affect people's behavior and perception, but WOW!!!!
:)
I think I want to find out what happened to the Green Card Lawyers after this one.
"...the shortest distance between two points may be straight line, but it is by no means the most interesting."
CPUs == more than one CPU
CPU's == belonging to a CPU
or
contraction of "CPU is"
... who got stuck with the 100 Mhz CPU!
Responsibilities:
- Review content and decide what goes on the front page.
- Check for spelling and grammatical errors.
(no text)
Indeed, no site can resist a double slashdotting...
from the now-that-takes-some-work department......
look who is talking! obviously taco it didnt
take too much work on your part to go ahead
and post a dupe:)
vv
is slow today :)
I can picture the scene:
Taco:Hey, Hemos, I saw that great article on Tom's and I posted it before you he he he.
Hemos:Nope.. I did it before you.
Taco: did not!
Hemos: did too!
(Taco checking headlines)
>Posted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday February 18, @08:52AM
>Posted by Hemos on Tuesday February 18, @07:18AM
Taco: Dammmmnnnnn.. I need more coffe this morning. My internet connection is slow this morning.
assert(expired(knowldege)); core dump
Of course, only the most notable were included :-)
Obviously THG survived the slashdot effect the first time.... ... and we cant let this happen now can we?
The www must live in fear! FEAR I TELL YOU!
BWAHAHAHAHHA!
those who control the past, control the future. those who control the present, control the past.
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of dupe posts.
Lame.
Sit back and relax as Windows 98 installs on your computer.
I don't get it. Why did they leave out the Pentium Pro?
You are correct. It's a duplicate post to a duplicate story. I will continue to post it in duplicate stories until they hire me.
Wouldn't hiring a competent subeditor pay for itself by making people more likely to subscribe? It's a bit insulting to your subscribers to be running a commercial site with the same editorial standards as alt.spank.tonya.harding, isn't it?
I don't know what issues they may have been having, but last week, refreshes were taking forever. I didn't ever have a link fail on me, but some were taking up to 5 minutes to load.
Anybody else experience that same delays?
For those that would die defending it, Freedom
has a sweet taste that the protected will never know.
Now I'm wondering if we'll ever see a "CT: Yep, it's a dupe" appended to the post in under an hour.
They should post a story about Toms Hardware Reviews 65 CPU's, Past & Present!!!
Phredd - "I have found people tend to take you far less seriously once you start waving your genitals at them..."
It's funny how they can post two stories about a comparison of old processors and yet there's been nothing about IBM's dropping of itanium which hit the press last week.
Stick Men
So, that makes it 130 CPU's reviewed in total, no?
Sig ?
foreach (@current_stories) { /$current_link/ {
if
print "Warning! This story has been posted already!!!!";
}
}
Live web cams
Yeah, but it IS a double post.
Don't click the 'submit' button twice.
Yeah, no kidding!
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SB
It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
Hire us both! Together, we can make slashdot a better place.
I will be happy to provide employment references, work experience, CmpE degree and certification information, my grades from my college writing courses (it IS a proofreading job, after all), and a picture of me soldering things into the back of a remote control and modifying my Tivo.
I'm sure Mr. Crash will be able provide similar nerdly slashdot-qualifying credentials.
the first place, they would have done something about them by now..ergo they don't care, or they enjoy posting duplicates
------ Work is so much easier when you don't
The test was obviously run on dual-processor systems.
Lisp is the Tengwar of programming languages.
There you go. I've undercut you all. Yay for capitalism.
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
Suggested time between dupes?
o 1:34
o a day
o a week
o a year
o let's race!
o I'm an editor, you insensitive clod
o CowboyNeal edits my stories
Assuming that the plural, possessive, and plural possessive forms of acromyms follow the same form as for ordinary nouns, then the use of an apostrophe depends on the usage. For the plural form, of course no apostrophe should be used. There can be an apostrophe in CPUs if you are referring to some property belonging to the CPU, as in "The CPU's instructions are well designed."
If you are describing a property beloning to a group of CPUs then the largely ignored plural possessive form of "CPUs'" should likely be used. Usually reworking the sentence structure can eliminate the need for this form.
Now lets discuss the combined slashdot editors' frightful confusion regarding homonyms, shall we?
I'd like to bring you the world's first duplicate post within a post:
-Joe
If we're all god's children, what's so special about Jesus? - Jimmy Carr
Running all these CPU's in Windows XP can hardly be considered a reasonable test. I would be willing to bet that stamp collector with his 133 MHz DOS machine has a faster boot time than the 3.04 GHz machine running Windows XP.
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Granted. I don't see how any word processor can justifiably require a 1.6Ghz processor and 512Mb of RAM. In fact, I think Office 97 on a Pentium Pro 200 was perfectly usable in it's day and is just as usable now, but that's not the whole story. There's a whole plethora of applications which are now commonplace, which weren't even considered feasible ten (?) years ago. I can remember a piece of DOS software on my old 286 which displayed JPEG images. That was it. It took noticeable time just to decode the file, and then sample it down to 320x200 to display on a normal VGA monitor. Nowadays, we don't even consider the decoding process when viewing JPGs.
:)
There's other similar applications - DivX movies, strong encryption, even MP3 audio - which we now take for granted 'cos we've got so much horsepower to play with that processing overhead is no longer an issue. Now we're getting into the realm of PVRs, digital camcorders, encoding real-time video straight into DivX - applications which appeal to ordinary home users, and which require some *serious* megahertz. The games industry provides a convenient milestone - anyone can tell that Quake III looks better than the original Wolfenstein 3D, but more importantly, they can see that they're fundamentally the same thing. It's a lot harder to compare modern video editing software with that of ten years ago, because ten years ago the only people editing movies on their home PCs were masochistic millionaires.
Rather than focusing on all those wasted MHz driving more and more bloated word-processors, consider some of the things we just *couldn't* do with slower hardware, and wonder what we're going to be taking for granted ten years from now.
Couse we are so used with dups nowerdays.
Press release:
Slashdot founder CmdTaco, issued a statement about his er.. frequent use of the slashdot frontpage:
-The last hours I have used zero minutes reading the frontpage.
Melius mori in libertate quam vivere in servitute.
CT: Yeah yeah. It's a dupe. Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me.
Funny that - perhaps people get the idea that you won't look at their mails, seeing as you can't even be bothered to read your own goddamn website...
I can't believe you actually get paid to do this...
it won't take too long now... we're already mid-day ;-)
Artaxerxes
Scramble them up, and scribble one down... /.
One hundred and two reposts on
You can't handle the truth.
...... ttuurrnn ooffff llooccaall eecchhoo!!
Posting duplicate stories is like doing a DDDOS (Doubled Distributed Denial of Service) attack!!!
You killed Toms Hardware twice today you bastards!
The quick people have probably given up trying. There doesn't seem to be anyway to stop dupes. This is as bad as Diablo II!
I debated submitting this story again just to see how many times it could get posted.
if Tom's did a comparison of other cpus vs intel x86 cpus for the last 10 or 15 years.
I mean great we have a line up of x86 cpus and what they can and can not do, but it would be interesting to c benchmarks comparing lets say motorola vs intel vs ibm cpus
Yeah, I suggest they could repost the story with correct syntax.
Signatures are for stupids.
They should use all those CPUs and make a render farm... then benchmark it and see how it works...heh.. :P
Rob
-----
Got something on your mind?
Post it.. we want to hear it!
www.bboombotz.com
Yeah yeah. It's a dupe. Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me.
We've come to accept the fact that you're a lost cause. We're reclaiming the resources for project "educate Taco" and using them in project "timothy de-taco-fication".
This is one of the most insightful posts I've ever seen here. From what I've read here in journals, Malda doesn't even bother with a lot of the mail he gets from
Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me.
What would be the point of that? He's shown that he doesn't read the site, and doesn't care about the ramifications.
People who disagree with you are not automatically evil, greedy, or stupid.
"CT: Yeah yeah. It's a dupe. Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me."
WE're supposed to assume you even read you email when it's obvious you can't be bothered to glance at the TOP of the front page?
OK, slashdot has the most sophisticated moderation system I've ever seen with hundreds of users contributing to the moderation of articles every day, just to make sure we only have to read the comments that are worth reading.
:)
Only slashdot admins then go and post the entire article twice within minutes - thus undoing the work of hundreds of moderators.
I wish there was a way to moderate the *parent* article down:
-1 Flamebait
-1 Redundant
etc...
All this moderation, but they can't spare ONE person to say if the article is a dupe or not. Notice how slashdot is the *ONLY* news site that has this dupe problem... This is mainly caused because a lot of the articles aren't news - they're from months ago, so the editors need to have a good memory.
Nick...
This is funny! Someone abused their MOD points!
"CT: Yeah yeah. It's a dupe. Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me."
Oh, I *see*. It's OUR fault. Gotcha.
Moron.
Hey spacklewit, you can't be bothered to read your own website, why would we think you'd bother to read your email too?
Hokey statistics and ancient misconceptions are no match for a good thought in your head, kid!
Tom's Hardware is slashdotted.
Come off it. I don't see where you get off bitching because nobody told you that you posted a dupe of a story two stories down. I mean, had you taken a cursory glance at your own site you probably would have seen this story.
You know, if you didn't want us to pay for this, I wouldn't even care. But I cannot believe that you are bitching at paying customers because of your lack of editing. What gives? As I've said before this site has editorial practices slightly worse than that of your average grade school newspaper. I think it's really insulting that you would expect anyone to pay for this.
Let me up the ante here. You editors are pretty tech-savvy, right? I just used Mozilla's oft-praised tabbed browsing feature to open another tab and look up the post I linked above. Now, when you are approving submissions, how hard would it be to have a second tab open to make sure you aren't posting a dupe. I mean, look, you guys approve at most 20 stories a day. Between the four or five (estimate) active editors, that's.. well.. not a lot. It wouldn't be hard to simply say "when I'm ready to approve a story I'll make sure there aren't any dupes." This kind of work wouldn't take long at all, and combined with a little editing would go a long way towards getting some new subscribers. I, for one, pledge to subscribe when the editorial quality of this site improves. That means, basically, that every other story can't have glaring grammatical or spelling errors, and that dupes are practically nonexistant.
I realize that everybody makes mistakes, myself included, but the number of mistakes from people who are professionals (and you are professionals if you do this for a living -- you do) is just too much to be tolerated -- or at least paid for.
you can take the road that takes you to the stars...
All we need now is two dupes in a row and we'll have a full house ...
Avantslash - View Slashdot cleanly on your mobile phone.
Nor the NexGen Nx586, which had 256K on chip cache two years before the Pentium Pro.
They have the K5 on there, which was AMD's bastardization of the Nx586 after they acquired NexGen.
NexGen was the first company to reverse engineer an Intel processor and produce a compatible version. They had some really fine people at that company, and it was their design work which brough us the AMD K6 and Athlon processors. Its unfortunate they don't get a lot of credit. No one seems to remember how terrible AMD used to be. Their acquisition of NexGen was one last ditch effor to do something other make 386 and 486 processors.
I don't read or respond to AC posts
"CT: Yeah yeah. It's a dupe. Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me."
:)
Why should we email you when we can post in the story thread and gain karma?
(or lose it)
SB
It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
I built PC's for a company for about 6 months.... I left just as the Pentium launched... (I remember because the first P60 we got had about a 2 inch heatsink glued on straight from the factory)
I am surprised they didn't include the AMD 386-DX40 in the benchmarks. I built a ton of those things..... I remember them being so popular because they were so much cheaper than the Intel.
Anyone else in here own one?
Ever feel like you are driving the getaway car?
so what? who cares what a pentium one is like compared to a p4 3ghz?
>Yeah yeah. It's a dupe. Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me.
I mean, it was that obvious it is nearly funny.
nosig today
funny you're such a doofus that you didn't see it was a dupe *2 posts down* from where you posted it...
:)
/. class, but lame lame lame lame lame....
jesus... i know government workers who work harder at their jobs than that...
i'm sure it's really really difficult being part of the powerful ruling
I've recently put together three boxen for family and friends from my spares pile. We're talking 120-150Mhz PIs, 48-64MB SIMM RAM, 1GB drives, quad speed CD-ROMs, 56K modems and 1MB S3 cards, with Win98SE, Word 97, Outlook Express and not much else.
Now, to me and thee, that spec sucks, but to someone that just wants a box for email, browsing and word processing, it does everything that they need to do, as fast as they need to do it.
Sure, I like being able to buy 3Ghz monsters, but you need to sell a lot of systems to make back the the cost of the R&D for them. And given that we should all be aware by now of the environmental cost of computer systems, I'm going to be keeping "obsolete" hardware in service just as long as I can, and thumb my nose at the marketeers who tell me that there are compelling reasons to upgrade other than the magic smoke [astrian.net] getting out.
CT: Yeah yeah. It's a dupe. Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me.
What the hell is wrong with you?
You call yourselves editors, and yet you do not edit the stories.
You call yourselves editors, and apparantly do not even read your own frontpage. If the readers are supposed to check for duplicates, you could be replaced with a very small script.
You do not listen to your readers. (How many have asked for some script that checks if a link has been posted in earlier stories?)
And you expect people to pay a subscription fee? You must have smoked more crack than the average moderator.
Are you anal because your head is up your ass? Learn the rules of grammar (see rule 2) before you stick your foot in your mouth.
It doesn't hold water. They only have to check for dupes just before they would have actually posted a story. There's no need to check for duplicates of a story you're going to reject. So the workload depends on the rate at which stories go up, which has remained fairly constant.
With the recent death of the goatse.cx guy, we need a new goatse.cx guy. This is your opportunity to be the next goatse.cx guy!!! Mail your answers to the following questions to CmdrTaco at malda@slashdot.org.
1. On a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate the looseness of your anus? (1 being incredibly tight, 10 being incredibly loose)
2. If you rated the looseness of your anus under 9, would you be interested in a looser anus?
3. Why do you want to be the goatse.cx guy?
4. If the looseness of your anus is less than a 9 do you have any problem with CmdrTaco shoving taco shells up your anus and smashing them?
5. If the looseness of your anus is greater than or equal to 9, do you still want your anus to be looser?
6. Do you have any objections to being naked whenever you are in the slashdot compound? (except for butt plugs if you wish to wear them)
7. Will you engage in taco snotting with CmdrTaco to become the next goatse.cx guy?
8. Will you sign a wavier that any injuries caused by goats will not cause you to sue CmdrTaco, slashdot.org, and/or goatse.cx?
9. Please provide an email address so we can contact you.
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Digital Divide? The only divide Linux can bridge is the crack of my ass, when I use it to wipe my ass clean.
Yeah yeah. It's a dupe. Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me.
Yeah, cause, you know, we're Slashdot editors.
Do people really even subscribe to Slashdot? Doesn't seem worth it.
Not All Who Wander Are Lost
The /. troll HOWTO
:)
/.ers. This section is dedicated to explaining how to use these in the course of your trolls. Remember though, a great troll can break any or all of these and still be successful...
/. typically repeats stories with small variations and runs lots of similar stories.
:)
/.ers are more likely to read your troll if it starts a large thread. You also want to remember that some people have set their comment thresholds to values higher than 0 - to get the attention of these you either want to get your post moderated up (see Style, below) or get a reply which gets moderated up to 4 or 5, in which case your troll becomes visible to all.
:)
/. and watch the karma roll in. And of course once you get the +1 bonus, the world is your oyster in terms of /. Posts made at a default of 2 hit even those people with the threshold of 2, are more likely to get moderated up even further if they are at all coherent, and people tend to lose their critical thinking abilities in the face of the +1 bonus. Milk it for all it's worth.
/. hero, like Linus Torveldes or Richard Strawlman (thanks dmg). Related to this is the use of the wrong word, explaining an acronym as being something it isn't or making a word into an acronym even when it isn't.
/. sense rather than the real-world sense). Start off fairly reasonable, making statements that are /. friendly and not being too controversial. As the troll goes on, make it more and more controversial, building it up for the coup de grace in the final paragraph.
/. crowd. Moderators love it, and they rarely check the links, so be sure to include as many as possible. And make them wrong - a link to the Perl website should instead point to the Python website instead, and vice versa. The other alternative to incorrect links is "useful" links to places like www.linux.org and www.microsoft.com i.e. places /.ers could never have found on their own :)
/.ers for your amusement. But often a troll requires some help and so you should consider feeding it. Feeding is best reserved for people making either completely clueless responses, people making responses with holes in, or those wonderful people who write a 2000-word point-by-point rebuttal of your troll.
/. so that you can play on and against them. This is why anti-Linux, creationist, gun-loving, pro-corporation trolls work well - the vast majority of /.ers hold the opposite viewpoints. And if a few people agree with you, so much the better - it merely validates your viewpoint in the eyes of readers.
/.ers all kinds of things. Make broad generalisations about /. readers - call them "long-haired Linux zealots", "socialist open-source bigots" or whatever. Stereotyping is encouraged - people always want to think that they're an individual, and will point this out to you given half a chance.
/.ers of being elitist. This is an easy thing to do seeing as a lot of them are. Claim that is their grandmother couldn't use it, then they are just into it to feel better than Joe Sixpack rather than "doing it for the average user". This is always great for working into anti-Linux trolls - attack command-line tools and poorly designed desktops.
/.ers who will then make even more stupid replies, leaving them even more wide open for response.
/. responses.
/. has its community of regular trolls (hi guys!), it's only polite to publish your troll on one of the so-called "hidden" forums for all to see and admire. This way, you get to bask in the praise of other trolls, they get to contribute to your's if they want to, and you get an easy way to find the troll later on when you want to check on its progress :)
/.ers always post before thinking, and often it doesn't matter at all.
:)
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/. beliefs, but a similar effect can be achieved by taking a typical /. viewpoint and pushing it to ridiculous extremes.
/. posts, although some are more obvious targets than others. Civil liberty articles, especially on things like censorship, DMCA, UCITA that really get /.ers riled up, are usually extremely fruitful grounds for a well-crafted maniac. The other obvious type of article is anything which could possibly involve religion, especially evolution :)
/. posters and you would have to be very offensive to get this to work. Of course with religion trolls, the argument can go on for ever once it's started... The more common approach is the Christian fundamentalist. They are ignorant, intolerant and bigoted in the extreme. For them the Bible is the inerrant word of God revealed to man - it contains no flaws and no contradictions. Thus they are strict Creationists - mentions of evolution or cosmology will set them off on vitriolic rants. Flaming denunciations of anyone daring to contradict the "Word of God" are the way to go, and any kind of proof can always be ignored by appealing to "secular humanist brainwashing". And let's not forget, the USA is the greatest nation on Earth because it has the righteous power of Jesus Christ behind it.
:)
/.ers as a rule despise - the classic example is dumb marketing guy, but try consultants, lawyers, politicians, lobbyists, executives, journalists (just think Jon Katz). With this kind of troll sweeping statements with little content are the norm, along wire dire portents of future catastrophe and dark hints of "insider knowledge".
/.ers would like it - saying "Linux requires the rock-solid guarantee of a trusted company like Microsoft" or "Apache cannot be trusted for mission-critical enterprise platforms" is guaranteed to get you denials explaining exactly why you're wrong, in excruciating detail.
/.ers protest "IANAL", they certainly seem to think they could be, and any mistakes you make will send them rushing to prove themselves by correcting you.
:) This category includes parodies, offtopic weirdness any all kinds of amusing stuff. Not really my area of expertise, this stuff is mainly done by gnarphlager and opensourceman. Thanks to gnarphlager for this section.
;-)
/. So feel free/obligated to litter your offtopic and random bits with puns. Hurt the bastards. And if they're sick enough to laugh at them, then they'll eventually end up here ;-)
:)l - A List Of Fallacious Arguments - Learn them and use them liberally
i ngs.htm - Things Creationists hate
;)
This is version 0.6 of a troll HOWTO, sort of a companion piece to jsm's excellent troll FAQ. As a draft, comments and criticism are always welcome, if not appreciated
Section 1 - Trolling techniques
There are techniques used by successful trolls to elicit the maximum amount of responses from unthinking
* Timing
Because you're posting as an AC, your troll will generally be ignored in favour of posters using their accounts, and so getting in early is essential. A good guideline is to get into the first 20 posts, so that people reading the article will see the troll before it is swamped out. One way of increasing the speed with which you get your troll into play is to prepare them beforehand, and then quickly customise them for the current article. This is easier than it sounds since
Note that this is why Jon Katz stories are pretty worthless as trolling material - by the time you've found the article and prepared a troll there's already 50+ posts on it, most of them flaming Jon Katz anyway
* Exposure
Once you've got your troll in, you need people to actually read it. You also want replies -
* Accounts
An alternative to the time-honoured tradition of AC trolling is that of creating a "troll" account. This gives you the advantage of posting at 1 rather than 0, and slashbots are more likely to take you seriously, especially if you at least sound reasonable. If you do this, try to avoid posting stuff where it is obvious you're a troll under the account - post it anoymously instead - some slightly more canny readers actually check your user info before they reply. Not many though
The ultimate goal of the troll account is to secure the +1 bonus, which is currently received once you hit 26 points of Karma. To get there, employ the techniques of karma whoring that we see every day on
* Layout
To get people reading it a troll needs to be easily readable. Make sure you break it down into easily digestible paragraphs, use HTML tags where appropriate (but always make sure you close them properly) and use whitespace appropriately.
* Size
Generally a troll shouldn't be too short, otherwise it'll get lost in the crowd. A workable minimum is a couple of medium paragraphs. Conversely, it shouldn't be too long, or no-one will bother to read it. Keep it to a happy medium.
* Spelling
Whilst spelling is important if you want the troll to be taken "seriously", key spelling mistakes can draw out the spelling zealots, especially if you mis-spell the name of a venerated
* Subject
The subject line needs to draw attention to your post without making it obvious that it is a troll. A simple statement of the main point of your argument can work here.
* Style
Once you realise that most moderators don't bother to read past the first paragraph or two, you can use this fact to craft trolls that can be moderated up as "Insightful" (note that I mean this in the
* Linking
As we all know, a post with links is considered "informative" by the
* Feeding
The ideal troll requires no feeding - it runs on its own, generating flamewars between clueless
* Know your audience
Always keep in mind the kind of things advocated on
* Arrogance
Be arrogant. You, as a troll, know that you're right. No other explanation could exist. The wronger the "fact", the more assertively you should state it. Make it clear that you are better than everyone else - you know the truth and they are just too stupid to realise it. Use plenty of sarcasm, and use "quotes" to show it to people too dumb to realise.
* Offensiveness
Being offensive in your initial troll can be counter-productive - it causes moderators to mark you down as flamebait in general. But if you're feeding, then you can get away with calling
* Indifference
Great for articles with a political or social bent, this kind of troll expresses complete indifference to the topic at hand, wondering who on Earth cares about it. An alternative method is to say that the topic only concerns a certain group of people - criminals, idiots, hackers (always use this instead of crackers) or whatever group you want to offend.
* Sympathy
Appear to take the same stance as the people you're trying to troll - claim you're as much a fan of Linux as the next man, but... This way you can make all kinds of claims in the sure knowledge that you actually know what you're talking about. A great phrase to use here is "In my experience". Remember to act like all the things you're pointing out are unfortunate but true.
* The common touch
Always accuse
* The 31337 touch
The opposite of the above. Claim that technology or whatever is only for the elite of society and that any attempt to open it up for everyone is wrong, an attack on intellectualism and possibly even dangerous. If people were meant to understand these things then they would, and it's their fault if they're too stupid to learn.
* Contradiction
Never be afraid to contradict yourself, even in the space of a single sentence. The phrases "I am a top programmer who codes in VB" or "I am a supporter of open source who uses NT at work and 95 at home" will be sure to get a response from some weenie smugly pointing out the contradiction. Confuse the issue more by engaging in contradiction when you are feeding - this will confuse
Clues
If you're feeling brave, give the reader clues that this is an obvious troll. The classic example here is dmg's stock phrase "I am often accused of trolling (whatever that is)", but also feel free to use phrases like "I have not read the article, and I don't know much about XYZ but I feel I must comment". If anyone responds to a troll with these kinds of clues in it, feel free to bask in the glow of knee-jerk
* Denial
If you're unlucky someone will accuse you of being a troll (surely not!) and try and ruin it for you. If you don't want it all to end there, then be sure to counter it by accusing them of being small-minded and petty, saying that it's easier for them to say it's a troll than to accept that people have different opinions. Be sure to say this in the subject line, especially if their subject was the infamous "YHBT. YHL. HAND."
* Claiming credit
Given that
As for when to post it, that's a matter of opinion really. You can either post it straight away or leave it will after people start biting. Remember that the troll forum is also frequented by non-trolls, and sometimes you may get a self-declared "troll-buster" try and expose you. But remember,
There is no real current forum at the moment thanks to various spammers hitting the sids, but try trolltalk, the original troll sid started by 80md and osm way back in the day. Generally all postings are done there as an AC, with your name at the end of the post. Include a link to the troll somewhere in the text, which ideally will be directly to the post and its replies - click on the #XX link in the thread to get there.
* Ending the troll
Sometimes you just get bored with a troll, or people start posting genuinely thoughtful stuff in reply (it does happen). When this happens it might be time to own up to the troll with a helpful "YHBT. YHL. HAND." post. Sometimes people will carry on a discussion of the issue, and if you're really lucky (and it was a great troll) they will completely fail to believe you and carry on arguing. If that happens, pat yourself on the back for writing a great troll
* The cheap $3 crack
Finally, when all else fails and your troll gets moderated down to (-1, Troll) within ten seconds of you posting it, the only honourable thing to do is to accuse the moderators of smoking the cheap $3 crack (again) and give up
Section 2 - Types of troll
1. The Maniac
Probably the most popular kind of troll, the Maniac holds an opinion on something, and won't budge from that opinion no matter what evidence to the contrary is presented. If challenged, the Maniac will simply get more and more agitated and abusive, deriding his opponents as "idiots", "wrong-thinking", "dangerous" and "subversive". Generally the Maniac takes a position that opposes the prevalent
Maniacs can be crafted for practically every article
Here are some fruitful avenues to explore:
* The Right-Wing Maniac
Always popular, the right-wing maniac (RWM) is a God-fearing, gun-toting, flag-waving American, and proud of it. They don't care about the rest of the world, unless it's to "prove" that America is better than everything else, and they cannot stand liberal whining over civil rights. They hate the moral decay of America and want it to revert into a nation of heterosexual, Christian whites like it was meant to be. Woe betide anyone that dares to suggest otherwise.
* Religion
There are two ways to approach this kind of maniac. The harder to pull off is the militant atheist, but this is quite common amongst
* Ideology
Pick a philosophy, any philosophy. This troll is a troll with a cause - they have found some kind of ideological truth, and are out to expose every other philosophy as a sham. Whether it be libertarianism, objectivism, communism or capitalism, this troll will point out the obvious "flaws" in any other philosophies, whilst spouting dogma about their own. And the best thing is - you don't even need to know that much about what you're spouting - making doctrinaire mistakes will get both sides of the argument flaming you, adding to the fun.
* Software
This is an old favourite and crops up in many forms, covering the gamut from OS maniacs (Linux zealots, MS-apologists or embittered BSD fanatics), language maniacs (Pascal vs. C, C vs. C++, C++ vs. Java, Perl vs. Python, VB vs. everything), application maniacs(GIMP vs. Photoshop, Netscape vs. IE, vi vs. emacs) and also includes people who complain about how technology should only be for the 31337 hackers.
* Guns
Americans love their guns, and will always fight passionately for their Constitutionally guarenteed rights to bear arms and shoot people. Even the slightest hint of criticism of this will bring down the wrath of a thousand and one enraged gun-owners on you, so it's always a great point to work into a troll
2. The Expert
The Expert is someone who is "savvy" in their particular field, and is perfectly willing to give their opinion on any topic even vauguely related to their field. The Expert is most likely to be from a field which
Some possible angles to exploit:
* Industry knowledge
The expert knows the computing industry from the inside - as a long-term pro, they can dispense knowledge knowing that they can "speak for the industry". Their smug self-satisfaction is bound to annoy, as is any suggestion that things aren't the way that
* Helpful hints
With their tech-savvy (or law-savvy or whatever) experience, the expert is obviously the best person to point out what's wrong with things or to give out useful "factual" information. In fact this probably works best with lawyer trolls - for all that
3. Offtopic Trolls
Not really a "troll" in the strict Jargon File sense of the word, but they certainly should be included here
Offtopic trolls, like any other, come in almost as many colours as an iMac, but generally not as cute. But then again, a good offtopic "troll" can affect more people than a repulsive little gumdrop on your desk, because you need to have someone SEE your desk before they can react. Simple? Moreso than even my overblown prose could indicate. Some basic examples:
1. The serial troll
Write a story. Keep expanding it. It doesn't matter what article you post it under, so long as it's high up. If you want people to recognize you, pick a couple themes or symbols, and carry them on throughout the story. Other alternatives include back linking or including the entire story, but adding more each time. Be funny if you want. Or if you don't feel like being funny, just be really weird. Someone will react.
2. The random troll
This has nothing to do with anything. Be it a stream of consciousness rant, or a description of the corner of your desk. Another favorite is a monologue, read as if spoken from any one given entity to another. The more outlandish, the better (a pair of socks talking to a mousepad, for example). If you really wanted to be artsy, work in an actual metaphor or legitimate meaning behind it, but it's not necessary.
3. The vaguely related troll
Start out with a comment about the article. Have a definite opinion of it. Then, after a little while, disintegrate into randomness. All roads eventually can eventually lead to cheese (yum), Natalie Portman, cannibalism, toasters, squirrels, futons, you name it. All it takes is a little bit of creativity. Oh, and feel free to use other trolls' motifs. Open source and all that
General tips:
* If it's funny for a fleeting moment, then it's worth posting.
* Puns. Puns are only less vile than mimes, but it's hard to mime on
* Obscure cultural references and injokes are always good. SOMEONE will get them eventually.
* Several drafts of a serial or random post are common, but true elegance is being able to come up with something on the spot that still makes the top 40 posts (on a post-heavy article)
Section 3 - Useful trolling links
The following links contain background information useful for trolls needing quick quotes and "expert" opinions to include.
1. General purpose links
* ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html - How to deal with USENET trolls - learn your enemy
* www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.htm
* www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq.html - USENET troll HOWTO
* www.baiting.org - Baiting.org
* www.fieldingtravel.com/df/index.htm - Fielding's DangerFinder - A guide to what and where's dangerous
2. Religious links
* www.godhatesamerica.com/ - God Hates America
* www.chalcedon.edu/creed.html - The Creed of Christian Reconstruction
* www.demonbuster.com - How to cast out your demons and do spiritual warfare
* riceinfo.rice.edu/armadillo/Sciacademy/riggins/th
* www.icr.org/ - Institute for Creation Research
* www.xenu.net - Operation Clambake - The fight against Scientology on the net
* www.hom.net/~angels/ - Citizens for the Ten Commandments
* www.bju.edu/rcnbc.html - The difference between Catholics and Christians
* www.geocities.com/prazske00/biblequotes.html - Bible quotes by category
3. Political/economy links
* www.aynrand.org - The Ayn Rand Institute
* www.reason.com - Libertarian site
* www.freerepublic.com - Right-wing stuff
* www.jbs.org - Excellent site for all kinds of right-wingery
* www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html - Web economy bullshit generator
4. Crackpot science links
* www.fixedearth.com - The Earth Is Not Moving
* www.jir.com/index.htm - The Journal of Irreproducible Results
© spiralx, I did not write this
You're right. Tockow whining about no one letting him know is almost as dumb as continuing to read a site with such poor editorial practices. Take your custom elsewhere!
"He who would learn astronomy, and other recondite arts, let him go elsewhere. " -- John Calvin, commenting on Genesis 1
"CT: Yeah yeah. It's a dupe. Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me."
Why should WE have to mail YOU?!?
LOOK AT YOUR GODDAMN FRONT PAGE BEFORE YOU POST AN ARTICLE!!!
moo.
Maybe it's because your god damn email address is no where to be found on the fucking internet.
The Via C3 1ghz is not comparable with a 1Ghz Celeron in performance. It varies widely depending on what it's doing, but it typically it performs at about the speed of a Pentium II 450 mhz, though it can at rare times outperform a 1Ghz Celeron (probably because of its faster front side bus).
I remember reading that the C3 consumed 12W of power, but maybe you're right.
This article doesn't categorical say that CPUs isn't the generally used form -
h tm l
cf. (But IOUs is common and accepted, and the usual plural of CD is CDs)
Here's a couple of other posts, there are a more to be found on Google:
http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~gernot/style-guide.
"What's the plural of CPU? CPUs or CPU's? If you look at journals employing professional typesetters you'll find that the answer is clear: CPUs is a plural while CPU's indicates a possession or attribution"
http://www.write101.com/W.Tips184.htm
"Kenneth G. Wilson (The Columbia Guide to Standard American English. Copyright © 1993 Columbia University Press - http://www.bartleby.com/68/58/458.html) discusses the apostrophe:
(1) to indicate a missing letter or letters, as in contractions such as isn't, they're, and it's,
(2) to distinguish genitives of nouns from noun plurals not in the genitive (boy's, boys', but plural boys), and
(3) sometimes to mark plural numbers and letters (three 6's, two A's). Never use an apostrophe in front of the -s ending that forms a plural noun."
And finally...
A quick guide to the apostrophe...
"Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me. " ...uh, oh yeah, I guess if you read slashdot you wouldn't have posted it in the first play. Way, to make us look dumb.
We all just figured you'd read all our "dupe" replys
Waaaa waaaa, the people who I ignore as much as I can and who pay my salary refuse to do my job for me, waaa, waaa
If I had a breif spell of insanity and thought that Slashdot editors gave a crap about what anyone thought, or even for a moment believed that the editors listen to input, yeah, I might've written a mail. But it seems that everything else that people write Slashdot about, suggestions and complaints alike, is ignored as soon as possible. So why should anyone bother to write you Taco?
I like Slashdot, I like the people on Slashdot, I'm a Slashdot addict, I'll refresh the front page after I'm done writing this. But man, the staff running this place is unbelievable. No spell checking, ever. Dupes, trolls, fakes, bad URLs etc etc all find their way through to the frontpage way too often indicating that half the time the staff don't even read the article, much less check links or such. There is no staging or testing lab, it's quick hacks and patches on the live boxes which every now and then brings the site down or creates some other, ahem, interesting results.
In short, the Slashdot staff isn't even trying anymore. Complete stagnation.
Aaaah it feels good to burn some karma, of course, I'll never get to moderate anything after this rant though.
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The lameness filter dont work for them?
When the dupe story directly follows the original story. We came so close this time!!
It will happen. Its only a matter of time.
// harborpirate
// Slashbots off the starboard bow!
You only tell the admins about unexpected occurences. This is normal operating procedure.
'Sensible' is a curse word.
it appears we have snagged some fairly big game.
I guess we all sort of assumed that you occasionally glance over the site you run. That was foolish of us, to assume you'd put in any effort whatsoever.
But my guess is they won't even post this message to the article discussion. Yet more proof to there incompetence...
I've recently put together three boxen for family and friends from my spares pile. We're talking 120-150Mhz PIs, 48-64MB SIMM RAM, 1GB drives, quad speed CD-ROMs, 56K modems and 1MB S3 cards, with Win98SE, Word 97, Outlook Express and not much else.
Now, to me and thee, that spec sucks, but to someone that just wants a box for email, browsing and word processing, it does everything that they need to do, as fast as they need to do it.
Sure, I like being able to buy 3Ghz monsters, but you need to sell a lot of systems to make back the the cost of the R&D for them. And given that we should all be aware by now of the environmental cost of computer systems, I'm going to be keeping "obsolete" hardware in service just as long as I can, and thumb my nose at the marketeers who tell me that there are compelling reasons to upgrade other than the magic smoke getting out.
Would you give a damn?
Toms Hardware Reviews 65 CPU's, Past & Present
//twitch, twitch
HardwarePosted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday February 18, @08:52AM
and
65 CPUs From 100 MHz to 3066 MHz
HardwarePosted by Hemos on Tuesday February 18, @07:18AM
='s
Slashdot double-take.
Or the majority of us are quoting donkey from Shrek: "When all this is over, I'm going to need some serious therapy...just look at my eye twitch"
Heh, and it is strange nobody pointed out what is at the bottom text of a posting window:
Problems regarding accounts or comment posting should be sent to CowboyNeal.
No wonder the answer to all the polls is Cowboyneal...we need a story that just says "Cowboyneal" and points to the first article, instead of duplicates.
IMO.
Have you read the moderator guidelines? Well, have you, PUNK? (and I want a Karma: Gnarly option)
Let's give Taco what he asked for and all flood his inbox (or the inbox of whoever posts the next dupe) next time this happens--then maybe we'll see a little change. :-)
The two stories were posted 1:34 hours apart...I daresay it's reasonable to expect Taco to check if the story's been posted in a time interval that big. If one were posted almost immediately after the other I'd be more forgiving.
They forgot the Xeon class, as well as ppro.
When I started seeing shadows of letters on freeway signs and couldn't tell if the tail lights of cars in front of me were left, ahead, or right of me.
Now I'm seeing double...
=8-)
did you know that Google published the API to their search engine?
(FYI, if you didn't know, that's the only triplicate story on Slashdot, whre CmdrTaco himself posted two of them)
Sigged!
Poot! Where's the fun in that!?
Hey, I got a question for the idiot that modded this post... it is modded only once, and as "overrated"
If the overrated was the first moderation, then that was the FIRST TIME it was rated. how can something that was unrated be overrated?
Just a thought.
I used to read the user posts on /. stories, but the abundance of stupid comments, first posts,russian jokes, beowulf jokes, trolling. I cannot read them anymore, I have a job to generate frustration. :)
/. editors true intelligence, that they can copy other work.
Now the dupes show the
How about some real reporting ( Taco!, Hemos!) guys? Or are you afraid your journalistic skill are a bit lacking? I'd bet they are, looking at all the dupes. No real editor at any reputable publication would even let you in for an interview.
Pay attention, the quality of SLASHDOT is declining and I no longer read the posts from the like of Timothy or Michael, as they seem to be shills for NYTimes or Washinton Post.
Soon, there will be no reason to read slashdot anyway. Google news or Fark has all your stories, usually the day before.
Hey, I got a question for the idiot that modded this post... it is modded only once, and as "overrated"
If the overrated was the first moderation, then that was the FIRST TIME it was rated. how can something that was unrated be overrated?
Just a thought.
the whole purpose of the dupe was to show that some idiot doesn't know when to use the apostrophe.
It's CPUs, not CPU's!
The previous posting had it right.
Hey, I got a question for the idiot that modded this post... it is modded only once, and as "overrated"
If the overrated was the first moderation, then that was the FIRST TIME it was rated. how can something that was unrated be overrated?
Just a thought.
P.S.
This is a duplicate post to a duplicate post about duplicate stories on a duplicate story.
For plagerism
Depending on the authority you go by, the "standard" for writing plurals of acronyms varies.
The (US) Government Printing Office Style Manual states: "an apostrophe is used to indicate...the coined plurals of letters, figures, and symbols." GPO provides examples such as YMCA's and ABC's.
On the other hand, the 14th Edition of the Chicago Manual of Style states: "So far as it can be done without confusion, single or multiple letters, hyphenated coinages, and numbers used as nouns (whether spelled out or in numberals) form the plural by adding s alone." Provided examples include CODs and IOUs. Also according to this source, "Abbreviations having more than one period, such as M.D. and Ph.D., often form their plurals of an apostrophe and an s." Examples given include M.A.'s and Ph.D.'s. I particularly enjoy this excerpt for its anthropomorphism of words, ascribing the action of forming the plural to the words themselves rather than the writer.
Then, of course, there is the real definition of apostrophe, the first listed in Websters Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913):
A figure of speech by which the orator or writer
suddenly breaks off from the previous method of his
discourse, and addresses, in the second person, some
person or thing, absent or present; as, Milton's
apostrophe to Light at the beginning of the third book of
``Paradise Lost.''
Thus, for one who considers processors as narrative, it is indeed likely that there might be an apostrophe in a CPU, for example, in the case of a cache miss....
Nope. AMD delivered the wonder that is the K5 all by itself. ;-) (ex-AMD-er)
YHL. HAND.
seems all new to me. but i read the page from the top down.
CT: Yeah yeah. It's a dupe. Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me.
Don't worry, Taco, I'll send two!
we're giving up... :)
I think your ass is on fire.
I love that it's implied it is in some way the readers' fault for not telling him "in 2 hours."
There's actually people modding anything redundant in this thread?
I agree, but regarding Athlon some further credit should also go to the ex-Digital Alpha people who joined AMD and helped make the K7 architecture (not just the CPU to NB interface) so good :-)
Now lets discuss the combined slashdot editors' frightful confusion regarding homonyms, shall we?
I think you mean "hahmonims."
So does having the story duped no more than 5 posts apart mean that poor Tom has to do double duty to prevent a heft slashdotting today? The page seems a little sluggish to me today, so I'd vote for yes.
And this time they actually are so close that they appear on the same screen!
hooray for double posting!!!!
-- There is no sig line, only Zuul.
>Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me.
;-)
Ah yes, the readers are now the moderator ploy. Perhaps there wasn't enough bandwidth available to mail about all the dupes?
The feedback for dupes is far more entertaining to read than the feedback for ordinary stories!
And now my keychain. FYI, don't even try to drill through the cermic package. Boy will you feel stupid if you do. A 30,000 RPM dremel barely even marred it!
If you wouldn't use a apostrophe for a regular phrase, why should you use it for a acronym? For example, you wouldn't think about saying Cetral Processing Unit's. Besides, by this point CPUs are just as common as CDs, and so we might as well use them the same in acronyms.
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
CT: Yeah yeah. It's a dupe. Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me. what the hell read your own damn site and maybe readers won't have to email you of dupes. sheesh
It's CPUs not CPU's.
Even Tom's Hardware got it right.
I am possibly one of the few people on earth that ever had a K6-3 450 (K6-III to be polite.) AMD brought out what was at the time their best (and quite possibly, THE best as it killed the P-2) processor without any hype, and then dumped it just as quickly. I use my -450 as my primary linux box (RH8) and it plugs along serving up this and that very merrily.
I wonder if anyone knows for sure why the K6-3 came and went so quickly, and why AMD dropped the -3 in favor of just boosting CPU speed on the -2? The only think I can think of is that what was the K6-3 became the first iteration of the Athlon, since AMD knew it beat the pants off the P2: why not start a new processor line?
The higher, the fewer.
KEVIN MITNICK (supposed supreme hacker and black hat of all time according to news media) HAS HIS SERVER HACKED.
That is the news.
That Mitnick was using IIS - that is news.
That Mitnick didn't even bother to apply OS patches. That is news.
Something like CPU isn't really an acronym but in fact a "spelled" abbreviation (as opposed to a regular abbreviations like dept. or Dr. that is still pronounced as the original word). Prior to the 70's (there's that appostrophe again), spelled abbreviations were almost always delimited by periods (T.V.A., F.D.R., F.B.I.), and pronounced acronyms (NATO, radar) were not.
The idea, as I have always heard & understood it, is that merely putting an "s" on the end of an spelled abbreviation that is pronounced as a series of letters is confusing (do you spell or say the "s" - SEE PEE YOU ESS?), as you may think the "s" is part of the abbreviation. Traditionally, lettered abbreviations were delimited with periods, like M.D.; making them plural by adding a lowercase "s" didn't look right at all (M.D.s).
Soon after that you started seeing the creation of the InterCaps plural form of the spelled abbreviation (CDs). Now that InterCaps and spelled, non-periodified acronyms are relatively common, the traditional style guides are finally officially sanctioning the CPUs form of the plural, but the form CPU's is still correct, but falling out of favor. Back in the 60's it probably would be more correctly spelled C.P.U.'s - hmm.
Most style guides recognize that the ambiguity exists, and that grammar nazis will get their undies in a bundle, so their recommendation is to avoid sentence structures that force you to make a spelled abbreviation plural.
-BbT
There is one in "let's", however.
There's also a "g" in "belonging".
1. auto dupe-checking 2. spellcheck
you are fsking off topic. we are ALL talking about the dupe on toms hardware review here.
I'm the one who posted it, and that guy was right about 2 people posting it at the same time, because when I posted it, from what i could tell, it hadn't been posted yet! (latest story was on the 2.2 million credit cards...) AOL IM Screenname PcChip2
"CT: Yeah yeah. It's a dupe. Funny that not a single reader emailed me in almost 2 hours to tell me."
/. so you can look for yourself and save us the time. Seriously. DO you guys ever read /. any more? I really wanna know.
Dude... I don't get paid to edit Slashdot. Pay me and I'll show you the URL to
I think Kuro5hin allows this - not that it helps you here.
Perhaps Slashdot.org's tech crew could develop a simple system to actively prevent dupes? Like checking to see if the same url was used in a recent article? Might even be helpful with crossreferencing. Or maybe you *want* to put up a dupe because the discussion was so good last time, then you can say it in advance and less email to you. Just a couple cents.
Once I figure out how to prevent dupes, I'll patent it and then collect royalties.
i laughed my ass off and have nothing funny to say...
that sucks
No, it's the K6 that got its roots from Nx586.
Wasn't Cyrix before NexGen? They offered a 386SX-compatible chip. And according to AMD: The AMD-K5 was independently developed and designed by AMD. Although AMD and NexGen have merged, the NX586 was an independent NexGen design effort and was not pin compatible with neither AMD-K5 or the Pentium Processor. Of course software compatibility is a different issue.
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now, thanks to Linux, she has more than happily accepted her place back at
number one antagonist in my life..
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