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New Microsoft Worm Coming Soon?

Seft sent in a solid article running on the BBC discussing the next potential worm explosion on the heels of a recent Security Bulletin from Microsoft. The article is a somewhat general topic piece on worms in general.

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  1. The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article:
    US computer security firm iDefense discovered the code being circulated from Chinese websites. It said some computers were already being broken into using the new exploit code.

    This puts a bit of a different spin on the previous story, in which Taiwan accused China of organizing a cyber-attack. I think this validates the position that Taiwan's government was simply disseminating a little cross-channel FUD... there may indeed be Chinese hackers trying to break into Taiwanese systems, but they're doing it on an ad-hoc basis, not as part of a government-sponsored attack.

    Think about it... you're a hacker in mainland China, and you want to attack someone. Do you go after your own government? Only if your family doesn't mind paying for the bullet when you're convicted of espionage. Much safer to hit a country that your government wouldn't mind giving a black eye?

    Hackers in China... hey, it looks like China is the new Russia!

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    1. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by ramzak2k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      does this have anything to do with Microsoft opening up its code to China ?

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    2. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      What leads you to believe that these are hackers "doing it on an ad-hoc basis, not as part of a government-sponsored attack"? If the Chinese government was behind it, I highly doubt they'd serve it up from official websites! If anything, I would think that what you pointed out might bolster Taiwan's claims...

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    3. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by caluml · · Score: 5, Insightful
      To be honest, I hope it just trashes boot sectors before writing random crap all over the hard drive. That might actually get the message through. All these soft viruses just make people think of it as an inconvenience. When something bad happens, people might just start sitting up and taking notice.

      Mod me down, troll/flamebait, I know.
      However, mod me up if you feel that this might make people start patching their systems.

    4. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Hackers in China... hey, it looks like China is the new Russia!

      In Soviet Russia, Russia is the new China!

    5. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Sphere1952 · · Score: 1

      "Hackers in China... hey, it looks like China is the new Russia!"

      The New Russia is basically bandrupt, unlike China.

      Assuming you meant the new USSR, I don't think so. Remember the "one child" policy? Well, all those little princes are growning up. China might be a threat to the U.S. both economically and militarily -- but it is a different sort of threat. I'd tend to discount the military; which they are talking about reducing, and be more worried about "to be rich is glorious."

      On the other hand, moving to China and getting a job might not be too bad. Stocking shelves just isn't as much fun as writing code. Just how hard is Mandarin anyway? I'm sort of Buddhist, although I'm not so sure about Confusious. I ought to fit in, more or less.

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    6. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by IM6100 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A worm/virus that trashes it's host doesn't do a good job of propagating. These sorts of programs can do so at a 'time bomb' setpoint, if the designer feels the virus/worm will have propagated widely by that time, of course.

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    7. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These wimpy worms like blaster are a big old joke. I just can't understand why the losers that wrote them did'nt do something more mischevious. I guess we're just lucky these guys totally evil. But remember that a large scale devasting attack is innevitable. It's going to be a vunerability that someone discovers and then exploits without telling M$. No patch no advance notice. It will be the 9/11 of computer systems.

    8. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello, and welcome to Slashdot. You must be new here.

      Anti-MS, anti-US, or pro- anything that tends to be counter to MS or the US (such as China) are accepted and modded up without any proof or logic behind it. Chinese hacking is detected, therefore it exonerates the Chinese government. Because...uh...yeah. Just because.

    9. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China beat the US in three wars already...The civil war against the guomindang, Korean war and Vietnam war.

      The US lost each time.

      Today China is many many many times more powerful than it was then.

      Militarily, economically, technologically...

    10. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit... that's a pretty damning link ("paying for the bullet.") Any Chinese reading this who want to refute it?

    11. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like 'cih'?

    12. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am most CERTAINLY with you there. so far MS has been on a knife edge balancing between crackers/worm authors who can access all of a machine and control it, and the usual need for those same authors to keep the machine working.

      Basically 3/4 of the Windows PCs online now are only working out of the grace that nobody's been a nasty enough bastard to trash them. Only takes one...

      Since all other methods to get the idea of security through peoples thick skulls have failed, I say screw 'em - I hope for a worm that does the worst one can do. Propogate quickly, stay alive while it does so... then nuke itself and the machine it's on

    13. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by bigjocker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Now that you mention it, probably.

      It's a lot easier to write a worm having the Windows' source code available. This bug came from China, and Microsoft has sent the source code to China ... maybe they should start looking for the Blaster writer over there ...

      Also, the last attack agains Taiwan by some chinese crackers may have something to do with this. Maybe Microsoft was right when they said that it would be a major security risk to publish the Windows source code.

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    14. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by The_K4 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm waiting for the virus taht cause Windows XP to believe that it's not "activated" and cause hunders of thousnds of people to call to re-activeate their OS. :) Talk about DDoSing them. :)

    15. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by been42 · · Score: 1


      Hackers in China... hey, it looks like China is the new Russia!

      I don't think so... "In Soviet China, government computer hacks YOU!" doesn't sound as cool.

    16. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go further down the rabbit hole. Ask yourself if China is this bad AND has nuclear weapons why was Iraq invaded while China's a preferred trading status country?

    17. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by caluml · · Score: 1
      True. It would have to run for x hours, trying to infect other hosts before "delivering its payload".

      What would be a good value for x?

    18. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm sort of Buddhist, although I'm not so sure about Confucius. I ought to fit in, more or less.

      Hmmm... I think you'd better check the first few paragraphs of the link I found for my original posting. Or, just pin a note to your back saying "Persecute Me".

      You made a good point, though:
      Remember the "one child" policy? Well, all those little princes are growning up.

      Yeah, and they don't have many princesses to marry. The one-child policy led to a very suspicious decrease in the number of baby girls, so we now have a lot of young men with no way to get a wife. I think it looks something like this:

      1. Excess male population
      2. ???
      3. Conquest!

      where ??? = [War | Prosperity], and Prosperity isn't looking like the most likely choice.

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    19. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by gantzm · · Score: 1

      Actually we felt sorry for them and decided not to drop THE_BIG_ONE on them!

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    20. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Marcus+Brody · · Score: 5, Funny
      True. It would have to run for x hours, trying to infect other hosts before "delivering its payload".
      What would be a good value for x?


      X would clearly be PC dependent for optimum worm spread. An obvious thing would be to deliver the fatal payload after the infection had spread to, say, 15 other PC's. This would cause exponential spread until the number of vulnerable machines became limiting.

      But thats *boring*. A much more twisted & evil thing to do would be to deliver a payload at a mission-critical point. For example, after MS Word had been used excessively over a few days, and the word CONCLUSION was typed in.

      /maniacal evil genius laugh/

    21. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Funny

      Go further down the rabbit hole. Ask yourself if China is this bad AND has nuclear weapons why was Iraq invaded while China's a preferred trading status country?

      I just happen to have a TRS-80 Level II Basic program in front of me:

      10 Data "China", "yes", "yes", "Iraq", "yes", "no"
      20 Read Country$, Bad$, Nuke$
      30 If Bad$ = "yes" then Print "We must deal with "; Country$
      40 If Bad$ = "yes" and Nuke$ = "no" then Print "Invade Evil "; Country$; "!!!"
      50 If Bad$ = "yes" and Nuke$ = "yes" then Print "We will constructively engage "; Country$; " with trade."
      60 GOTO 20

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    22. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Coryoth · · Score: 2, Insightful
      To be honest, I hope it just trashes boot sectors before writing random crap all over the hard drive. That might actually get the message through. All these soft viruses just make people think of it as an inconvenience. When something bad happens, people might just start sitting up and taking notice.


      To be honest, that sort of worm isn't the one I would be worried about. The silent killer is going to be much more nasty, and it's a matter of time before somebody writes one (if they haven't already).


      Consider this for a possibility: A worm that just sits quietly on the system. It does nothing obvious that would get it noticed by users. Once a day it finds a random Excel spreadsheet. It opens the spreadsheet and picks a random cell. It alters the value of that cell by 10%.


      Lets hope no one is actually stupid or arrogant enough to try crap like that (but given humanity, realistically it's a matter of time)


      Jedidiah

    23. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by HiThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The worst would probably one that was totally inconspicuous, but occasionally doubled or halved a dollar amount. (And it would be really nice in Excel.)

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    24. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Kelz · · Score: 1

      Hackers in China... hey, it looks like China is the new Russia!

      Wow lets just open up this new trend...
      IN SOVIET CHINA...

    25. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by austad · · Score: 3, Funny

      In communist China, the viruses write you!

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    26. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I hope it just trashes boot sectors before writing random crap all over the hard drive.

      Not a great idea -- the user would probably get a blank screen warning that something tried to modify the boot sector from the BIOS. No damage done.

      The ones that abused the BIOS update to render the motherboard useless were neat, but there are now motherboards with dual BIOS just in case something like that happens.

      Scrambling bits in all files in "My Documents" would probably be devistating enough.

    27. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      10 Data "China", "yes", "yes", "Iraq", "yes", "no"
      20 Read Country$, Bad$, Nuke$ ...
      60 GOTO 20


      So, I'm not old enough to remember...what happened when you wrote bad code like this on the TRS-80?

    28. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by neoThoth · · Score: 1

      Let's start with iDefense. They are roughly as credible as my grandmother. Their business model revolves around purchasing exploits (no I won't sell you mine) and then disclosing information about their "0day" to others. Usually it's complete crap (oh no my obscure x11 game has a remote DoS.. grow up)
      but more then that if you've ever met them you'll know just how shady the whole operation is.
      Realistically everytime a remote M$ exploit is made public there is a chance for a worm.
      We (the world at large) just saw the first anti-worm during the blaster storm. The most frightening worm has not reared it's head however. The 0-day worm.... this would wreak more havoc then anything else out there. There would be no patches, no one would know till it was too late. Or maybe it has happened and no one knew.....

    29. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by wah_wah_69 · · Score: 0

      "hey, it looks like China is the new Russia!" In soviet China Hackers owns you!

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    30. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      out of data error...

    31. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by paj1234 · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to speak it to? -- Clarence Darrow

      Friend, you mean, "Even if you do learn to speak correct English, to whom are you going to speak it? -- Clarence Darrow"

    32. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Isomer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      True. It would have to run for x hours, trying to infect other hosts before "delivering its payload".

      What would be a good value for x? When the critical mass has been infected obviously.

      You can take the payload and split it up into "n" smaller chunks, then infect "n" initial machines with your virus each with only a small part of the payload. Then every time a virus infects a new host it splits it's payload in half until it's down to one byte/bit/whatever, then it just copies it's payload. When it finds another machine thats already infected, they both give each other their own payload.

      If the other side have data that conflicts with your own, throw theirs away to prevent poisoning

      So when there are lots of hosts to infect around the world, the payload gets split up, but it's not until almost all the machines are infected that the payload starts being reassembled.

      If the payload is encrypted in such a way that you need the entire payload to decrypt the entire thing, then Antivirus researchers can't tell what the payload is going to do before it actually occurs.

      You probably want to make sure that there are multiple copies of the initial data in case machines get cleaned that contain the only copy of one bit or so.

      We need to organise things like automated detection of abnormal network activity, and some kind of automated way to slow down (but perhaps not stop -- you're not sure if it is an actual virus) the flow of virulent activity.

      A technique like this could be used for something like Freenet to hide information until everyone has the information, then release it.

    33. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seem to remember reading somewhere that those amazing flying hackers aren't Chinese. They've been outsourced, and are now Indian.

      HTH.

    34. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Sphere1952 · · Score: 1

      Luckily, China has a long history of being an ingrown toenail.

      Sure, the west was stupid enough to meddle. But if the west has sense enough to leave China alone it will soon go back to incomprehensible infighting.

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    35. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the full disclosure list had something like this... what if someone posted all the key numbers to like 10 diff news groups?

    36. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by beebware · · Score: 1

      Hmm "BitTorrent for viruses".... It's an idea at least ;)

    37. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since openning MS Windows code could be a national security risk and they won't show it to US Courts, but they are showing it to the Government in China, and China is housing all these 'computer terrists'(crackers) would that make them a terrists supporting company and need to be delt with? (like jail time without a trial or whatever that patriot act said... )

    38. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      So, I'm not old enough to remember...what happened when you wrote bad code like this on the TRS-80?

      We elected Reagan. Except that time, the countries included such dangerous regimes as Nicaragua and other Latin American countries.

      (I wish someone besides the AC had noticed the obvious flaw in the program! ?OD ERROR IN 20 Remember, y'all, it had to be short enough to be funny.)

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    39. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a complete idiot keeps his documents in that folder. Oh, wait - most of the population fits that description.

      Is everybody as sick of the "My ______" shit as I am?

    40. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Nintendork · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The assholes that wrote the exploit are one step above talentless script-kiddies. The hole is just a buffer overrun and the patch gives away exactly where it is. All they had to do was write code that stuffs the buffer, pushing executable code into another memory area.

      It's funny that you mention that it would be easier to hack the OS with the source code available. That's exactly why the chances of a zero-day exploit are higher on open source software than closed source. *OUCH*

      -Lucas

    41. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Quino · · Score: 1

      Just the opposite: doesn't this validate Taiwan's claims? Or do you think that every average Chinese person on the street magically has access to the source code? You bet your butt it's government programmers -- whether the code leaked is another matter -- and where's my copy, BTW-- (and I can't imagine MS didn't work out some way of keeping the code contained, but who knows).

      At any rate, it *gives* legitimacy to Taiwan's claims, not the other way around. And yes, this would make it more likely that it's Chinese governement sponsored (and why is this surprising? The US and the UK, closest of buddies, play the cloak and dagger game against each other, why wouldn't China ?).

      Just *my* take on this ...

    42. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      10 Data "China", "yes", "yes", "Iraq", "yes", "no"
      20 Read Country$, Bad$, Nuke$
      30 If Bad$ = "yes" then Print "We must deal with "; Country$
      40 If Bad$ = "yes" and Nuke$ = "no" then Print "Invade Evil "; Country$; "!!!"
      50 If Bad$ = "yes" and Nuke$ = "yes" then Print "We will constructively engage "; Country$; " with trade."
      60 GOTO 20



      what?

      how?

      (sorry.)

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    43. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sometimes i'm so sad that i don't have the imagination or quick wit others have.

      i'm green with envy.

      that was truly funny stuff!

    44. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Menkhaf · · Score: 1

      Oh my God!

      Yeah, that sure would kill me. And what a horrible way too.

      I think I'll go with the boot sector one.

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    45. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      What would be a good value for x? ....says the worm writer ;-)
      Look , if you need a hand with your worm code, just post it as a theoretical question - you'll get a dozen replies, code snippets, the whole shebang.

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      There is a lot of hype here.
    46. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by innosent · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's exactly why the chances of a zero-day exploit are higher on open source software than closed source. *OUCH*

      You've got a good point, except that it also means that someone can notice the problem and fix it. Besides, given the recent string of M$ security holes, wouldn't it be easier to just start throwing strings at all the services until one crashes? If throwing random data at a service crashes it, it's probably a good bet that there's another buffer overflow there. Apparently Microsoft doesn't seem to find bounds checking to be important. Maybe they should write Longhorn in Ada (actually, that might not be a bad idea). Hell, if you're going to write bloatware anyways, why not start with the most bloated language? (Don't get me wrong, Ada is a great language, but the standard library is rediculously large).

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    47. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by watzinaneihm · · Score: 1

      I thought of this yesterday. And I would believe that the network is going to be used way too much trying to contact other machines and it then becomes obvious that something wrong is going on. So they can just take the machines offline and the virus cannot do any damage. A better way is to start 2 or 3 different viruses at different points of time each one invrementally adding payload and then at some point actually doing the damage. You could then have different OS vulnerablities targeted, cross OS infection (even those unpatched Cisco servers) and all kinds of fun. Ofcourse teh code to do this would be a signature, but you probably can encrypt it so that they appear different. (For example a "male" encrypted virus only talks to a "female" encrypted virus eventhough they have the same content). With enough variation, enough to start a new kind of life.
      Scary...

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    48. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by jigyasubalak · · Score: 1
      Are we trying to compile a wishlist for the next big Virus/Worm? Wouldn't the feds be extra attentive of the posts here? What's happening to /.ers. This ain't no vague cracker message board.

      Karma: Low, because the barbarians just don't understand!

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    49. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by fuzzix · · Score: 1

      OUT OF DATA

      Aw, it crashed...

    50. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by The_K4 · · Score: 1

      Let the feds be attentive, I am NOT a virus writer, I am not providing details on how to do this, because I don't know how it would be done, and I am just exercising my right to free speach, saying that this would be a very nasty bug that could take advantage of MS deciding to build in a way to cripple their own OS.

    51. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Now15 · · Score: 1

      > In communist China, the viruses write you!

      In capitalist America, bugs exploit operating system writers!

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    52. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by The_K4 · · Score: 1

      There's supposedly some register hack to easily un-activate windows xp, but then the old activation number SHOULD work (so using something like system restore should fix the problem). It would probably require something more then that (but i don't know what).

    53. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by schon · · Score: 1

      The one-child policy led to a very suspicious decrease in the number of baby girls, so we now have a lot of young men with no way to get a wife.

      Interesting - you should read "The Gate to Women's Country" by Sherri Tepper.. she (breifly) covers a logical outcome of such a society.

      Basically it results in inbreeding and intolerance, and the society degrades to the point at which women become basically property, and an outside injection of (non-inbred) women causes civil disruption, as all of the men fight for the source of new genetic material to give to their sons.

    54. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 1

      I thought conclusions were usually written first, then the rest of the paper written to support them?

    55. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > Friend, you mean,

      Ah, YOU mean "I'm a pedantic idiot." I guess you didn't know that the whole "no ending a sentence with a preposition" thing isn't true.

    56. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > I thought conclusions were usually written first

      Only with Gov. Scientists, MS researchers, Journalists, and religious-types (because there is only one conclusion).

    57. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by pmz · · Score: 1


      How about:

      1) Excess male population
      2) ???
      3) Don't drop the soap in China

      The "single child" regulations in China are a good example of how a goverment can regulate while totally missing the surrounding social context of those regulations. And, once those regulations are in place, getting rid of them is ten times harder.

    58. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      If I were designing a virus, I would code it with the ability to spontaneously adjust the value for x. It will randomly "mutate" and the one with the best travel time will win out.

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    59. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      Basically it results in inbreeding and intolerance, and the society degrades to the point at which women become basically property, and an outside injection of (non-inbred) women causes civil disruption, as all of the men fight for the source of new genetic material to give to their sons.

      Wow... that describes way too many cultures both ancient and modern, even back to Biblical days.

      Depressing!

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    60. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by paj1234 · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I am a pedantic idiot. You win! :-)

    61. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by H310iSe · · Score: 1

      That's exactly why the chances of a zero-day exploit are higher on open source software than closed source *ouch*

      I was wondering about that the other day, it seems like it's been a long time since an exploit was revealed by looking at how a virus works (a -1 day exploit?). Almost all worm and many viruses nowadays are exploiting holes that a patch already exists for, or simply aren't exploiting holes.

      It's also weird that security holes seem to appear in such a regular pattern across the lifespan of the OS. Shouldn't a ton of exploits appear near the OS launch, then diminishing, less damaging ones later? Doesn't seem like that's the way it works though...

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    62. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh, come on, it's fun to talk about ... *remembers to post AC* ... and if anyone wanted to write a serious virus, they could probably come up with this stuff on their own. Posting the actual code is a tad stupid, I suppose...

      So virus re-encrypts itself on each client to disguise its signature, and has one, or more, phases in its lifecycle determined by spread rate (a virus could easily know, for example, what generation it is). Or they could talk to eachother.

      Say there's one designed primarily to attack private networks - have every Nth virus set up a proxy server on its host, and have it redirect request from other viruses on the network. Each virus could detect how many proxys are on its segment and 'evolve' into the proper form, worker or communicator. This would happen dynamically, so the infection can adapts as people start to detect and remove it.

      The communicators represent multiple points behind a firewall and NAT that could be used, obviouly, to send mesasges to their silent parters, or be a focus for local communications, routing below the radar, as it were, information to form a virtual map of the network enabling it's approach to be more 'intelligent'. Comm. points would also talk to eachother, forming a global network of infection points. This would be highly decentralized and redundant making it harder to tract and disrupt the control signals.

      If you use a (intranet-side) transport in the more obscure TCP/IP application layers you add further stealth to the system, perhaps allowing some limited invisibility to IDSs.

      Add some non-exploit-oriented attacks, like, say, trying to access and decrypt the SAM - the spreading the local admin pass, if found, to all other virus clients, could make it really quite frisky.

      Now, let's say the thing can also adapt to the final stages of cleanup - say whenever more than X% of occurrences in the network dissapear. Say this is only triggered on large networks to begin with, making it less likely to be detected by early research attempts. Say it instruxs a small portion of the virus to hybernate, to be reawakened a random number of days in the future, in waves.

      Presuming you're using some kind of rootkit-like cloaking feature, it would be nearly impossible to ever, well, root it out entirely. This kind of virus could make using backups to restore computers difficult (because sleeping copies could be on the backup tapes, if the virus is truly polymorph it will be difficult to detect by scanners and possibly end up back on the PCs) and would therefore discourage wholesale reimaging as a defense mechanism.

      I'd certainly hope the thing would do no overt harm, other than perhaps randomly flashing messages about peanutbutter to unsuspecting users, a sort of psych experiment by geeky dadists or something. Maybe if it was done well enough, some networks might just decide it's easier to let it 'live' and workers everywhere would be entertained by its antics and, probably, start craving peanutbutter.

    63. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Upon re-reading that post, i think one problem would be size. I mean, we're talking about a honkin' big worm. I suppose if you had a very small infector able to invisibly-as-possible request the body of the worm from the host you might have more luck, but I can't imagine how you'd keep the whole thing off the AV radar once the DATs came out. The infector would have to have near root level system rights to keep the transfer stealthy, I'm not sure that's feasable for the little guy. A third infection method would need to be added in case exploits and hacking the SAM fail.

      But, of course, if it DOES have the admin passwords... to make it really robust you'd have to presume that you won't have that advantage but it's obvious how amazingly difficult a root-kit-propagating stealthy virus with some level of (at least local PC) administrative rights would be to ever get rid of.

      I know you need admin rights to read the sam on a well-built winPC and that domain-level controls (if there are any) would be unaffected by local root access, but there are few Win boxes that tightly controlled by upstream security policies, a program running as local admin could bypass them anyway. Reading the first SAM will be the trickiest part, I'd recommend a targeted point of infection, if by email, perhaps sending it only to people likely to be logged in with local admin. priveledges. Perhaps a letter inviting the CIO to a free product briefing for Microsoft in Hawaii, all expenses paid, or some such. Once you have them at a web page clicking around, presuming they're using I.E. with security controls turned down because, well, they know what they're doing, and the porn AVIs won't download if they don't, well then, it's all over, isn't it?

      If the first doesn't succeed, the second wave should go to heads of HR & Accounting (who always need weird rights to access all their top secret HR stuff and so are often logged in with some elevated rights). Third wave goes to the hell desk. Actually, I might have the order reversed. Of course you'd have to customize the hook email...

    64. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by ccvqc · · Score: 1

      According to Churchill, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which no /.er ever would put.

    65. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that should be "rewrite" instead of "write".

    66. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by flacco · · Score: 1
      For example, after MS Word had been used excessively over a few days, and the word CONCLUSION was typed in.

      Except people have become so fucking retarded it would be more effective to wait for "Place that I'm mostly done at".

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    67. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > Indeed, I am a pedantic idiot. You win! :-)

      No, we all win ;)

    68. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Isomer · · Score: 1

      Ahh, but if the "communication" is just the worm doing it's usual infection, then there is nothing "extra" to notice. It already sends part of it's payload to other machines, just if it's already infected, it gets sent back some payload in return.

  2. In other news... by brotherscrim · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Scientists predict the sun will rise tomorrow.

    1. Re:In other news... by ramzak2k · · Score: 4, Funny

      "...Scientists predict the sun will rise tomorrow."

      I live in the east cost, insensitive clod !

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    2. Re:In other news... by brotherscrim · · Score: 0, Troll

      right, the article is about the likelihood a new MS worm is on the way, so I post a silly comment that underscores the ubiquity of such a topic, and I'm modded as a troll.

    3. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      I live in the east cost, insensitive clod !

      Apparently the hurricane situation is much worse then I had imagined, if your living in the east coast.

    4. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard that too. I live in the east coast in Canada. We dont hope to see anything till tomorrow morning.

    5. Re:In Other News... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good news for the youg ladies is the small size of the payload.

    6. Re:In other news... by Shazow · · Score: 1

      "...Scientists predict the sun will rise tomorrow."

      I live on Antartica, you insensitive clod!

      - shazow

    7. Re:In other news... by sik0fewl · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe you'll get lucky and won't get the new Microsoft Virus(tm) either.

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    8. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. How unfair. You should have been modded MORON instead!

    9. Re:In other news... by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      "...Scientists predict the sun will rise tomorrow."

      I live in the east coast, insensitive clod!


      Let alone parts of the eastern hemisphere, where the sun may have already risen tomorrow.

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  3. Worm's Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    on the heals of a recent Security Bulletin from Microsoft

    Apparently, the worm infects the user's grammar-checker, rendering it inoperable.

    1. Re:Worm's Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, aside from that, the monitor that the affected user is shown with on the article itself... is an Apple monitor. I'm sure that Mac user was hurt by MSBlast.

    2. Re:Worm's Target by narftrek · · Score: 1

      Perhaps this worm does HEAL computers instead of hurt them.....NAH nevermind

    3. Re:Worm's Target by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Funny

      I tried it in M$ Word, and here's what Clippy told me:

      . . . explosion on the heals of a recent Security Bulletin...
      Clippy: Order of Words (consider revising)

      Applying typical Slashdot editorial standards, I tried this:

      . . . explosion on heals the of a recent Security Bulletin...
      Clippy: Order of Words (consider revising)

      Crap, let's try again.

      . . . explosion on heals of the a recent Security Bulletin...
      Clippy: Remove "the" or "a"

      I think we got it:

      Seft sent in a solid article running on the BBC discussing the next potential worm explosion on heals of the recent Security Bulletin from Microsoft. The article is a somewhat general topic piece on worms in general.
      Clippy: turns into a bicycle and rides into the distance

      Alright! Let's post!

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    4. Re:Worm's Target by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apparently Microsoft security bulletins are a faith-healer type religious experience... almost like an exorcism where the sysadmin slaps the computer on the forehead and says "demons be gone".

    5. Re:Worm's Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      This crapflood brought to you in part by, narftrek. A brand you can trust.

    6. Re:Worm's Target by SiO2 · · Score: 1

      The article is a somewhat general topic piece on worms in general.

      From the redundant department of redundancy department...

      SiO2

    7. Re:Worm's Target by Trigun · · Score: 1

      It would have been, but the entire department was made redundant.

      Their jobs went to India.

    8. Re:Worm's Target by h8macs · · Score: 1

      I prefer the chicken foot, goats blood, and virgin fare maiden to appease the electronic gods.

      Ok...ok so the last one was for me. Jeez you'd think other nerds would let me have a little something-something out of the deal! ;-)

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    9. Re:Worm's Target by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      A fare maiden? Wouldn't that be like a prostitute? Come to think of it, you probably WOULD have to sacrifice a virgin prostitute to get the bugs out of your windows install, and some purple unicorns as well.

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    10. Re:Worm's Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you missed the "post anonymously" checkbox. Oh no, are you going to mod bomb me too?

    11. Re:Worm's Target by ducleotide · · Score: 1
      Anyone else notice the sentence in the "Unaffected Systems" part?
      Note Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition (SE), and Windows 95 also are not affected by this issue. However, these products are no longer supported. Users of these products are strongly encouraged to upgrade to later versions.

      why would we want to upgrade to later versions if the worm only affects them??

    12. Re:Worm's Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a worm to make the desktop spin 360 degrees. (Linda Blair style in 2 d)
      Then spout SCO speak for the real demonic effect!

      Or it only infects SCO Unixware and asks for $699.00 to be sent to a random kernel developer!

    13. Re:Worm's Target by Olathe · · Score: 1

      You'd miss out on Microsoft's award-winning support.

    14. Re:Worm's Target by h8macs · · Score: 1

      But of course how else does a 'nerd' get a date!? Why might you assume that I use windows?

      Purple Unicorns is cool, but we'll let em live.

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  4. The thing is... by Meat+Blaster · · Score: 3, Insightful
    We've had plenty of warning about this, so it's only the criminally unprepared that will be hit right?

    No excuse on this one. It's not like Blaster happened eons ago, and this is virtually the same type of flaw. Patch your systems.

    1. Re:The thing is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Great, except have you actually stopped to READ the eula? I have no intention of agreeing to that draconian shit, so unpatched my system shall remain until either Microsoft gives the patches away for free or some third party writes a patch that I can trust. Until then, I'm sorry if my computer gets hit and then hits someone else, but I'm also on a dialup at home that is only turned on once in a blue moon, so it's not exactly a big threat to the internet anyway. I think its a crock of shit that patches to Windoze require you to agree to things that you didn't when you originally bought the operating system. Make it the same as a car recall, where the responsibility and liability falls squarely on Microsoft to fix a defective product at their expense, not ours.

    2. Re:The thing is... by trompete · · Score: 1

      If you do not have time to patch all of your systems, disable the ports that these services run on by default and forward them for trusted hosts (which could get infected and spread to you...). You are better off disabling services than trying to patch every end user.

    3. Re:The thing is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are thinking of service packs. Patches don't have EULA's. And if you are that paranoid you should switch to Linux and stop bitching.

    4. Re:The thing is... by Sevn · · Score: 1

      Lets just hope microsoft doesn't break their own patch like they did last time.

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    5. Re:The thing is... by geggibus · · Score: 1

      You really think people are prepared?

      I just checked last 6 hours logs,

      662 DENYs on port 135 (almost as much as two weeks ago)

      13 DENYs on port 1433 (microsoft sql worm..)

      94 DENYs on port 28260 (no idea...)

    6. Re:The thing is... by Mr+Coffee+Cup · · Score: 1

      But does plenty of warning means anything to the point and click masses? I suspect 'Joe User' is mostly aware of the recent rash of worms, but I also suspect that 'Joe User' isn't as motivated as IT staff to install patches.. unless his computer ceases to work.

      Perhaps it's laziness, lack of computer education, fear (of breaking something).

      The message's out there.. even this morning I was on the phone with my ISP, trapped in voice-mail hell. Had to wait an additional 1 minute while some recording droned on about 'if you use MS Windows, Windows NT.. blabla'. Even the guy who finally took the call asked 'What version of Windows do you run?' 'Linux', I replied. 'Ohh. Then I don't need to tell you to patch your system.' he said.

      I write software for a living. Our coding policy around here is designed around the idea that the general user is too lazy to follow management policy. While we don't deny the end user the opportunity to ignore his company's internal policies (whatever they are), we make it in general, much more painful to NOT do it the right way.

      Perhaps the ISP's should begin scanning machines for these worms, and only route service to patch sites until they are patched. It'd be expensive for all the support calls they'd get, but they could probably make a little droning recording for that too.

    7. Re:The thing is... by whereiswaldo · · Score: 3, Insightful


      * Someone mod this guy up - it's no troll.

      I think its a crock of shit that patches to Windoze require you to agree to things that you didn't when you originally bought the operating system. Make it the same as a car recall, where the responsibility and liability falls squarely on Microsoft to fix a defective product at their expense, not ours.

      What you're saying makes complete sense. The fact that it is legal for Microsoft to change the agreement they have with the end user just because the user is trying to keep their system up to date is outrageous.

      I believe a number of the security flaws (including Blaster) can be averted by using firewall software to block all ports except those you need (eg. the RPC port).

      I love it that all the Linux boxes I take care of haven't had a lick of problem since they've been set up. Blaster came and went and they didn't need any updates or reboots. Just glorious.

    8. Re:The thing is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you actually read the link, it doesn't cause breakage - and if it did, it'd be a problem with MS's whole patching system, and not just that one patch.

    9. Re:The thing is... by IceCat · · Score: 1

      Did you even read the link you posted?

      The first post in the link says installing SP4 over the Blaster patch overwrites it. The VERY next post states that this is simply not true.

      I had wondered the same thing when the Blaster patch originally came out. So what did I do? I TESTED it in a test environment. The results? Installing SP4 over the Blaster patch did NOT cause the system to become vulnerable (confirmed with three different vulnerability scanners).

      Stop the FUD...

    10. Re:The thing is... by whereiswaldo · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are thinking of service packs. Patches don't have EULA's. And if you are that paranoid you should switch to Linux and stop bitching.

      Service Packs and Patches are the same thing: They provide updates to your software. Microsoft can call them whatever they want. They will always be patches.

      To your last comment: I have switched, almost at 100% now with that as my goal.

  5. Thank goodness... by dillon_rinker · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that the next worm explosion heals the recent Microsoft Security Bulletin. That will be a welcome change, coming on the heels of the last big Microsoft worm.

  6. worm alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Urgent alert this just in... there might be more worms in the future..

  7. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So more companys like Air Canada can get hit and blame it on the worm makers, yet never blame it on there stupid IT department that had three weeks to patch the system and never did.

    1. Re:Great by El · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And despite the fact that kevlar vests have been out for years, people are still being killed or injured by being shot in the chest, and they still blame it on the shooters! Amazing!


      Maybe, just maybe, the IT department was too busy reseting passwords every time a user forgot their password to patch thousands of systems? Or perhaps their managers refused to pay for the overtime that would be required because they beleived the M$ party line they their systems were now "Trustworthy Computing" secure?

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    2. Re:Great by trompete · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if it weren't for the end users, it would really easy to patch computers every time an exploit was announced. Although....then there wouldn't be any computers...now I'm confused!!!

      In other news: disabling incoming connections via NAT or Proxies is sure-fire way to stop exploits.

    3. Re:Great by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      "In other news: disabling incoming connections via NAT or Proxies is sure-fire way to stop exploits."

      Yes, they work great until someone plugs in a laptop or dials in from an infected system. Once they've hit the soft underbelly of your network, it's game over.

    4. Re:Great by pirhana · · Score: 1

      You are wrong ! The IT departments dont patch their system not because they are stupid, but they are realistic. Microsoft patches are notorious to break existing applications and needs thorough testing on test machines. This is not a simple task. You have to simulate the server set up in test machines and apply the patches after ensuring everything is OK . Then you need to restart the machine in most of the case. Which is just not acceptable in busy servers. Last time when I applied an MSblast patch on a windows XP machine of my friend, it asked to reboot. On the contray, I applied openssh patch on 3 servers yesterday. All it took for me was 15 minute and no rebooting or any other issue. In short, MS should make PATCH MANAGEMENT SIMPLE and transperant like this to expect people to apply it.

    5. Re:Great by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 1, Insightful
      blame it on there stupid IT department

      What a line of bullshit this is. Air Canada is in banruptcy. I imagine cuts to IT are pretty deep.

      You ever try patching 5,000 workstations? You ever try patching a workstation where the user never *ever* logs off except for power failures?

      Don't give us this '3 weeks to patch it' BS, until you've been in the real world.

      And don't reply unless you log in...

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    6. Re:Great by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

      End users can and should be patched by pushing them down over the network. Servers you need to test for but you need to get on it and they should. I'm a net admin and have ~5 servers that I just *know* are going to get infected. I can't wait till I get to take them off the network till the fucks patch them. Going to be fun.

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    7. Re:Great by Mikeytsi · · Score: 1

      You could try the new software update service that Microsoft has rolled out. That should help with the automated patching. As for the users that never log out, nuts to them. If they aren't logging out, maybe you should fix your policies.

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      I've been called a "Fucking Dick" by better people than you.
    8. Re:Great by hetairoi · · Score: 1

      "You ever try patching 5,000 workstations?"

      well, I haven't, but I know plenty of people who have. When you have that many machines you need something like SMS with SUS, works pretty well from what I'm told. I just set up SUS (works without SMS, but only for hotfix's) today on an IIS server in a 50 workstation call center because it's easier than mbsaFU and I'm lazy.

      "You ever try patching a workstation where the user never *ever* logs off except for power failures?"

      ok, um, if the users never log off I would say that's a horrible security policy. Anyway, there are group policies that can handle restarting a machine or at the very least notifying the user to either reboot now, or reboot later.

      I agree that patching in a corporate environment can take time because of testing, but to argue that it's difficult is just uninformed.

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    9. Re:Great by magical22 · · Score: 1

      I wrote the first comment, So you are saying you should just leave this 'hole' in the systems rather than applying the patch in leu of a problem that might happen? are you crazy? Seeing the hole this patches which is basically all RPC stuff it would be in your best interests to do it anyways, or do you let the loaded gun get into the hands of children? If you run microsoft software and want to avoid rebooting you have chosen the wrong operating system, they do make patch management simple, it is built into all there operating systems, ie windows update. You are expecting way to much from a microsoft based operating system, reboots are inevitable. And what they take maybe 2 minutes max on a fast system, half the speed is wasted by the idiots you got using them, which in your great company they dont have obviously.. one can assume that they did have a firewall, so some idiot perhaps from IT brought his laptop to his home connection, then decided to hook it up at work... Probably the same idiot that never patched his own laptop that he does work for.. who knows, but if you are going to go microsoft you have to live microsoft and take what comes with it.

  8. 1993? by StingRayGun · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Malicious hackers are starting to circulate computer code that exploits recently found vulnerabilities"

    Starting? When was this article written 1993?

    1. Re:1993? by Bob+The+Cowboy · · Score: 1
      "Malicious hackers are starting to circulate computer code that exploits recently found vulnerabilities"

      Starting? When was this article written 1993?

      Come now. This is /. ... would you be all that surprised?
    2. Re:1993? by Sphere1952 · · Score: 1

      Um... Back in the 1970s crackers were finding interesting problems with X.25...

      Ok, I admit the nets back then weren't quite a well known by the general public...

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    3. Re:1993? by TimTheFoolMan · · Score: 1

      Starting? When was this article written 1993?

      Tonight they're going to party like it's 1993...

      Tim

    4. Re:1993? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recently found vulnerabilities weren't available in 1993 (the software versions in common use didn't exist then). So, when they say that people are just starting to do something with "recently found" things, it's not to express surprise that people would do things like that, it's to let you know that it's not hard to write exploits for the recent vulnerabilities, so watch out.

  9. New Microsoft Worm Coming Soon! by mogh1701 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Gee thats like say new windows security patch coming soon

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  10. New Worm 9.0! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    All my friends and family use Worm 9.0! It's easier than ever!

    1. Re:New Worm 9.0! by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 1

      Dude, check out M$ Worm 2k3!
      It comes bundled with M$ Orifice 2k3.

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  11. New worms. by saintlupus · · Score: 1

    He said malicious hackers and virus writers tended to concentrate on the most widespread loopholes to ensure any pernicious program they write would spread far and wide.

    It's sure a good thing that sshd is such an uncommon piece of code. I'm sure there can't be more than a few computers out there running it.

    Come on, worm.

    --saint

  12. Am i the only one? by madcoder47 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Am I the only one who noticed that the woman in the BBC Article's picture (directly above the "The MSBlast worm hit some users hard" Caption text) is using an old mac, and therefore, is not struggling with the MSBlast worm?

    The power button and display/contrast knobs on the side of the monitor give it away....

    Also, from the article: "But viruses that take advantage of new found flaws in the chunk of computer code exploited by MSBlast look set to arrive even sooner." -- Does this mean that even though microsoft cleaned up the code that was used by MSBlast as a backdoor, they still overlooked some code in the same region?

    1. Re:Am i the only one? by FileNotFound · · Score: 1

      Yep definetly a mac. I used to have one like that and loved it. I thought the way the desktop and monitor stacked nicley was the coolest thing ever.

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    2. Re:Am i the only one? by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's an old stock photo. Apple hasn't shipped those monitors in years (mid 90's, I think). Shesh, I had one on a IIGS, and I've seen them on a IIc...

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    3. Re:Am i the only one? by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

      And she's not even a hottie. Put away the grits.

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    4. Re:Am i the only one? by SuperBanana · · Score: 1
      Am I the only one who noticed that the woman in the BBC Article's picture (directly above the "The MSBlast worm hit some users hard" Caption text) is using an old mac, and therefore, is not struggling with the MSBlast worm?

      That's not nearly as impressive as the girl in the MS ad on the slashdot story itself. She's not even using a computer, but benefitting from Windows! Look at her go!

    5. Re:Am i the only one? by RevMike · · Score: 1

      Maybe she's running virtual PC?

    6. Re:Am i the only one? by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Am I the only one who noticed that the woman in the BBC Article's picture (directly above the "The MSBlast worm hit some users hard" Caption text) is using an old mac,"

      The virus turns your PC into a Mac?! Now that's a creative way to hit users hard.

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    7. Re:Am i the only one? by Mr.+Piddle · · Score: 1

      Does this mean that even though microsoft cleaned up the code that was used by MSBlast as a backdoor, they still overlooked some code in the same region?

      Given the MS cut-n-paste culture some people have written about, I think they overlooked at least a dozen other instances of the bug.

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    8. Re:Am i the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one who noticed that the woman in the BBC Article's picture (directly above the "The MSBlast worm hit some users hard" Caption text) is using an old mac, and therefore, is not struggling with the MSBlast worm?

      The power button and display/contrast knobs on the side of the monitor give it away....


      *shakes head in disbelief* Only on Slashdot, my friends...only on Slashdot.

    9. Re:Am i the only one? by Kris_J · · Score: 1

      Any corporate designer could probably tell you the collection, volume and photo number of that stock image, possibly without even looking at the index. I only did the job for a month and a half, but I recognise the predictable style and over-the-top posing.

    10. Re:Am i the only one? by Keeper · · Score: 1

      Does this mean that even though microsoft cleaned up the code that was used by MSBlast as a backdoor, they still overlooked some code in the same region?

      There is another RPC buffer overflow that hits a different part of DCOM. The patch was released within the last week or two.

    11. Re:Am i the only one? by jcast · · Score: 1

      Nah, users'd be grateful...

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      -- David D. Friedman
    12. Re:Am i the only one? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they'd be so happy that their games no longer work.

  13. *Sigh* by r_glen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its a shame the only people who read these articles are the ones who aren't affected in the first place.

    1. Re: *Sigh* by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Interesting


      > Its a shame the only people who read these articles are the ones who aren't affected in the first place.

      Nope, the rest of us will have our network service will be degraded due to all the worm traffic.

      ...at least until ISPs start kicking infected machines of the 'net, at which point we might actually see a network speedup.

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    2. Re: *Sigh* by bioscott · · Score: 1

      Double-sigh! This website here said "News for Nerds". Where's the newsworthiness here? ...a new microsoft worm coming 'round is about as likely as things falling downhill or a pig inside a Boeing 747 flying.

      Please schedule false alarms for the beginning of each month like everybody else.

    3. Re:*Sigh* by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 1

      Its a shame the only people who read these articles are the ones who aren't affected in the first place.

      That is funny, but I'm still affected.

      I'm the SA for a GIS lab, and let me tell you that GIS has moved to NT (windows, natch) based OS's from Solaris based OS's.

      The last time the "Sun"ny side got updated was...oh, about 5 years ago?

      The ironic thing is that some of the system updates on the NT side (nt4, in particular) made it *more* stable.

      Go figure.

      Oh, yes, my point...sorry, some background seemed needed:
      My servers (save one) are all Linux (RH8, despite my "Slack" background)....the one Win2k server is there because...*SHOCK*....*HORROR*...there was no other choice if you want/need ArcIMS 3 (or 4).

      Oh, ya, it also needs SQL server 7 or above...big suprise there.

      And...ha, ha, a webserver too and...a java serverlet engine.
      Breakdown:
      IIS + Tomcat + Connector ='d "free" + free + $2K.
      Apache + Tomcat + config changes = free.

      It is worth noting, of course that a month or *more* is NORMAL(???) to get it working no matter which option you choose (Apache/IIS).

      So, all the workstations + one Server, and don't forget the Administrative Installation of Office 2k...4 hours of my life I'll never get back (and I only half finished...no one write an office2k exploit in the next 24hours. ;) thanks.)

      Funny, tho not *quite* true.

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  14. Already Here by Fletch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to C|Net's News.com.com, two new woms have surfaced exploiting a 2 year old hole in IE 5.x.

    1. Re:Already Here by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

      Oh no! I think IE 5.x is so superior to the (also free) v.6 that I'm still running that piece of garbage that was replaced several years ago. What should I do?

  15. OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    Think about it... you're a hacker in mainland China, and you want to attack someone. Do you go after your own government? Only if your family doesn't mind paying for the bullet when you're convicted of espionage. Much safer to hit a country that your government wouldn't mind giving a black eye?


    Just in case you have not noticed, United States (and for that matter, most western powers) are considered by the Chinese as "hostile" nations.
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  16. Eh? by Garrett+Combs · · Score: 1

    Is there a fix for this yet? Do we even know what is being exploited? Hopefully my NAT and ZoneAlarm will cover anything on my end.

    The only way the MSBlaster worm was effective, though, is because people didn't patch their system. I understand that updating sucks, and we really shouldn't have this many updated to deal with, but it's the product you bought and the way things will remain, I imagine. People don't update their systems, as I was saying, and then Microsoft comes out and mentions something about automatic updating. To me, this is a horrible idea. I want to know what I'm patching or downloading before I do anything. This is my computer, I should know what's happening to it.

    My two cents.

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    1. Re:Eh? by Kehl · · Score: 1

      Quote from above post - "I want to know what I'm patching or downloading before I do anything. This is my computer, I should know what's happening to it."

      If you want to know what is happening system then use an open source solution. DUH

      Quote from above post - "People don't update their systems"

      Maybe thats because over 50% of the security holes in Windows/Windows Applications are either ignored by Microsoft or patched AFTER the $h!7 hits the fan. (Perhaps thats why there is no patch available yet?)

  17. Where's the update? by lord_dragonsfyre · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Okay, I've read about three emails so far, plus this article, about this new security hole. So of course, I go to download the patch.

    And there is no patch. Headed to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com, hit Scan for Updates.... nothing shows under Critical Updates.

    Anyone know what's up with this?

    James.

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    1. Re:Where's the update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It means you're running Windows98, or already got this latest security patch days ago, when it was put up.

    2. Re:Where's the update? by calethix · · Score: 1

      I think this critical update has been out for a little while. I seem to remember downloading the update for this a few days ago if not late last week.
      Notice the date on the security bulletin is 9/10

    3. Re:Where's the update? by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

      The exploit is the same on that MSBlaster used, so if you updated to protect yourself from that, then you are safe from this. Enjoy.

    4. Re:Where's the update? by lord_dragonsfyre · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm running XP Pro, so that's sure as hell not it.

      I checked, I'm showing the last time I used Windows Update was the 10th. Was the patch out that far back?

      James.

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    5. Re:Where's the update? by jhoffoss · · Score: 4, Informative
      TechNet article: here.

      Patch: here. (For XP...this and the rest of the patches are also linked on the above page.)

      Scan tool: here.

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    6. Re:Where's the update? by jhoffoss · · Score: 1

      Wrong. These are new holes in MS' RPC implementation. Read the articles.

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    7. Re:Where's the update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it isn't. It's a buffer overflow in the RPC service, just like Blater used, but it's a different hole with its own patch.

    8. Re:Where's the update? by Bourbonium · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe this all refers to MS03-039, released on 9/10/2003. If you've updated your system since last Wednesday, you're protected and the patch won't show up as a Critical Update, because you've been scanned and MS has determined that you're already patched.

      Of course, if you're using Linux and you go to the Windows Update site, you won't find any critical updates for your system there either.

    9. Re:Where's the update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      September 10, 2003. A security issue has been identified that could allow an attacker to remotely compromise a computer running Microsoft(R) Windows(R) and gain complete control over it. You can help protect your computer by installing this update from Microsoft. This vulnerability is documented in the Knowledge Base Article 824146.

      Quoted from Microsoft.

    10. Re:Where's the update? by Bourbonium · · Score: 1

      Yes, that was the day it was released. If you updated on 9/10/03, you're safe until the next exploit is discovered.

    11. Re:Where's the update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows XP Patch
      Sorry I don't have the URL for the other ones...

    12. Re:Where's the update? by MaufTarkie · · Score: 1

      Is there a scan tool that runs on something other than a Microsoft OS?

      Anyone? Anyone?

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    13. Re:Where's the update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The patch is here: www.mandrakelinux.com

    14. Re:Where's the update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or if you run a windows machine behind a proxy that rewrites user-agent to say it's a mac.. :-(

    15. Re:Where's the update? by Merk · · Score: 1

      Well, for those of us who use Linux and SpamAssassin, here it is:

      rawbody CUMULATIVE_PATCH /cumulative patch/i
      describe CUMULATIVE_PATCH Claims to be a cumulative patch

      rawbody MICROSOFT /microsoft/i
      describe MICROSOFT Mentions microsoft

      rawbody UNMONITORED_EMAIL /unmonitored e-?mail address/i
      describe UNMONITORED_EMAIL Sent from an unmonitored email address

      header FAKE_MS_PATCH_SUBJ Subject =~ /(?:last|latest|current|new) (?:(?:inter)?net|microsoft)? ?(?:critical|security)? ?(?:pack|update|upgrade|patch)/i
      describe FAKE_MS_PATCH_SUBJ Looks like a fake MS patch email

      header FAKE_MS_SENDER From =~
      /(?:ms|microsoft).*(?:security|section|center|bu lletin|division|department|assistance|services?)/i
      describe FAKE_MS_SENDER Riiight, MS is sending me patches...

      score CUMULATIVE_PATCH 1.5
      score MICROSOFT 0.3
      score UNMONITORED_EMAIL 0.8
      score FAKE_MS_PATCH_SUBJ 2.0
      score FAKE_MS_SENDER 2.0

      score MICROSOFT_EXECUTABLE 1.5
      score BAYES_90 4.5

      I'm no expert on SpamAssassin or its rules, but that seemed to be doing the trick for me on the 1 virus every 10 minutes that I was being hit with. I tried to find a way to submit it to the SpamAssassin people but (not too strangely) it was hard to find an email address for them. If anybody wants to take the ball and run with it, go for it.

    16. Re:Where's the update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's Swen an entirely different virus that is slamming everyone's e-mail today.
      What pisses me off is my family and all their cronies circulate all these chain letters and jokes carbon copy then have their e-mail programs set to automatically place people they reply to in the address book.
      So now I've got hundreds of morrons who infect themselves on a regular basis with my address in their address book because they clicked reply to all.
      Once your e-mail get's on one of these Cc: lists it's almost impossible to get them all to remove one's address.
      I'm getting hundreds of these things today and more comming every second.
      I'm all for mandated licensing to connect to the Internet and fines for being stupid.

    17. Re:Where's the update? by Matrix2110 · · Score: 1

      Funny, I was looking at the versions affected and I noticed a trend. Gates is so stuck on the NT code that he will throw any amount of money at it just to avoid saying he was wrong. Think about it.

      The most dissapointing thing was the fact that Server 2003 was affected.

      That means that 2003 code is based on the vernable NT code. No wonder hackers around the world are finding flaws in ten year old technology.

  18. Re:OT: Yet another typo. by Sophrosyne · · Score: 1

    Is it too much to ask for an "editor" can spell?
    Yes, yes it is...

  19. Re:Don't forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could pretty much say that about everything on Slashdot. Read the FAQ.

  20. New slashdot pattern: 3 articles per MS Virus/Bug? by alexmogil · · Score: 5, Funny
    So now there will be:

    A pre-worm article

    A current worm article

    And a post-worm article?

    Essentially three times the FUD, bashing, turfing, and... well, slashdot.

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  21. I think there's already something new going around by ncc74656 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My suspected-spam file had something like 50-60 new messages in it since last night. Except for one Nigerian-scam message, they all claimed to be security fixes from Microsoft (how original of them :-| ). I saved the attachment from one of them and let Nortan Antivirus take a look at it. It didn't identify any virus (even after updating signatures), but it has to be malware of some sort that just hasn't been cataloged yet.

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  22. I see in your future..... by narftrek · · Score: 1

    Good to see that there are still those visionary geniouses-THE MODERN AMEDAUS-who know what's gonna happen & when, oh and really have a knack for stirring up the media.

    Lemme give this a try:
    I see in our future....some lawsuits...and there will be a plauge....and some severe weather....run for hills! REPENT! Your days are numbered!

    Maybe they should just stop announcing general things like that and just fix the damned security hole so no one has a chance to attack with a virus. But then again this guy also sounds alot like our Prez....today we will be at yellow alert..there may or may not be a terrorist activity of an indeterminable type that could or could not endager American lives....that is all.

    1. Re:I see in your future..... by RubberDuckie · · Score: 1

      Well, it is the press. They do get paid to sell stories, and most folks will read stories of impending doom before they read the 'good news' stories.

      That being said, if this story wakes up a few people and gets them to install the patch, then that's a good thing.

  23. Sounds kinda like Sega net? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone remember Sega net? At least I think that is what it was called. It was offered in this area years ago (Durring the Sega Genesis days) through the cable company. For an extra monthly fee, you got a box (IIRC) that hooked up to your Sega Genesis, and gave you access to a number of Sega Genesis games which changed monthly.

  24. Related? by Yoda2 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Not sure if it's related, but I've gotten this freaking thing about 10 times today. It's brand new and claims to be a Windows patch. I can easily see how a n00b would open it.

    Only the latest virus definitions catch this thing.

    1. Re:Related? by 1010011010 · · Score: 1
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      Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
  25. Well... by Palshife · · Score: 1

    New Microsoft Worm Coming Soon?

    No. Blaster was it. We're out of worms. Try the fish.

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  26. Heh by evil-osm · · Score: 1

    I don't know why but the title makes this sound soooo exciting! I mean "New Microsoft Worm Coming Soon?" . Almost like a pending release of some new exciting software. I guess its the whole "Comming Soon" that triggers the reaction. Gotta stop watching movie trailers I guess :)

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    1. Re:Heh by calethix · · Score: 1

      'This worm has not yet been rated'

  27. Here they come.... by mgarriss · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Microsoft User

    this is the latest version of security update, the "September 2003, Cumulative Patch" update which fixes all known security vulnerabilities affecting MS Internet Explorer, MS Outlook and MS Outlook Express as well as three newly discovered vulnerabilities. Install now to maintain the security of your computer. This update includes the functionality of all previously released patches.
    I've received about 20 (with some variation) of these in the last few hours. Strange because SoBig ignored me for some reason.
    1. Re:Here they come.... by phoneyman · · Score: 1

      I've received 10 or so of these too, including fake bounces (claiming to be from qmail). Plus a surprisingly late PayPal scam. Pierre

    2. Re:Here they come.... by EricWright · · Score: 1

      SoBig... hell, I've gotten practically none of the worms/viruses/etc since the ILOVEYOU catastrophe about 2 years ago. This one, I've gotten nearly 20 of em... Not sure where the source email is coming from, as the headers all show messages coming from someone I don't know (mostly european addresses... .nl and .it the most common). Doesn't sound like the normal 'read the outlook [express] address book and send yourself to everyone listed' kind of worm.

  28. In Other News... by Sophrosyne · · Score: 1

    Steve Ballmer unleashed his worm to unsuspecting young ladies all over North America....
    "WHO SAID SIT DOWN!?"

  29. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually Sino-US relations have been constantly improving going all the way back to Nixon. Carter also did a lot to further relations. There are also plenty of US businesses operating in China (some of which have been mentioned on Slashdot in the past).

  30. And in other news... by fataugie · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Sun is scheduled to rise in the east tomorrow morning...

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    WTF? Over?

    1. Re:And in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'll rise in the west too, just a few hours later.

  31. Curious. by Chompster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "US computer security firm iDefense discovered the code being circulated from Chinese websites."

    Chinese websites, as in from mainland China, or from Hong Kong?

    If it is Hong Kong; then perhaps it is the same fellows that run the bootleg operations. Oddly, it doesn't seem that the new Chinese rule has done anything to stop this. I guess crimes against the US and other world nations and their computer systems don't count for as much as saying that thuggish tyrants shouldn't rule.

    Mainland, on the other hand, would indicate something occuring directly under the pervue of China, and their 'government'.

    Neither is particular suprising or unusual, but these kind of folks usually get ignored for swapping copyrighted data and running illegal porn sites. I wonder if swapping viruses will put them on the criminal radar?

    Anyone have any information on this particular factoid? It would be interesting to know if these are HK or Mainland.

    Eh.

    -Chompster

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  32. What patch? by nlangille · · Score: 2, Funny

    Either MS is stupid and hasn't put up the patch for win2k pro yet, or I got this ages ago.

    1. Re:What patch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, I'm gonna guess it's (A), MS is stupid.

    2. Re:What patch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You think it's more likely that MS is stupid than that slashdot editors post out-dated articles?

      I'd have to say 50/50.

    3. Re:What patch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You probably already have it. Its a patch that was released last week sometime.

    4. Re:What patch? by nlangille · · Score: 1

      The correct answer was C) All of the above. But good guess!

  33. the media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it's another blatant attempt by the media to instill fear in the public about the notion of another huge worm attack on people's computers. I guess the BBC wants credit for the "We said it here first people" catch phrase, then why not have the BBC post an article warning about "The countdown to the next Windows security hole has begun" (I'll start a pool to see who correctly date when a new security hole is found), or the next version update of the Apache webserver long before anyone else can or does, or the oh so coveted hacked webpage that will be coming soon ("The countdown to the next hacked webpage has begun". This reminds me of MSNBC's folly of accidentally posting the pre-made death articles of some high-profile celebrities and political figures.

    1.Ride on the General Public's Fear
    2.Feed the Fear
    3.?
    4.Profit!

    1. Re:the media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think it's another blatant attempt by the media to instill fear in the public about the notion of another huge worm attack on people's computers.
      Insightful, my ass. I've got 200+ GIBE worms in my spamtrap, and you're telling us its just a scare tactic.

      Idiot.
  34. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by swb · · Score: 1

    Its a new mail-worm. I've gotten it delivered in both dumbass-execute-the-patch and mime-exploit flavors.

    NAI has new defs that cover it now, and I assume all other others do too.

  35. MS Security bulletin? What about... by Slightly+Askew · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Let me make sure I understand. There's a front page article about a potential Microsoft worm that may be created using an eight day old security vulnerability, but no articles at all about the Sendmail vulnerability discovered today, or the SSH Vulnerability discovered yesterday? What am I missing?

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  36. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by FileNotFound · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good to know.

    I'm sure GWBush is despreatly looking for an "evil nation" that can "bring it on".

    But then I find US and China having any kind of hostility highly unlikely.

    China exports so much to the US that they'd fall over backwards and cry if the US put on a trade embargo. No shots need to be fired.

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  37. Re:Why funny????? by botzi · · Score: 1

    Is there anyone here on /.(which includes a 90% of the audience of such article anyway, let's face it...) who didn't patched all Win PC's(if any;oPPP) on the first notice of the exploit a week ago????
    That's why we should have a new "+5 Sad" moderation.....

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  38. and in other news... by spoonist · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ... the sun will be coming up tomorrow.

    Thank you, Captain Obvious.

  39. Re:Wish i had mod points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I wish I could Meta-Meta-Mod you then. Jokes like this are funny the first fifty times but get just as old as Microsoft worm stories. Funny mod should be reserved for something original that actually makes people laugh. I know I didn't even chuckle at his post just like I don't chuckle at the Soviet Russia posts.

  40. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by mt2mb4me · · Score: 1

    I got the same thing, and my trendmail office scan caught it. So, watch out.

  41. Re:OT: Yet another typo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very good point ! you have made it ! What this bastards think ? slashdot is an english learning site or what ?

  42. Products NOT affected... by immel · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition (SE), and Windows 95 also are not affected by this issue." So we can save ourselves by downgrading to previous windows versions? Or is this just a shameless plug? "However, these products are no longer supported. Users of these products are strongly encouraged to upgrade to later versions." Yup. It's a plug for newer, even more vunerable software, alright.

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    1. Re:Products NOT affected... by calethix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I laughed when I read that

      "However, these products are no longer supported. Users of these products are strongly encouraged to upgrade to later versions."

      Does MS really expect the average Win95/98 user to read that and think 'Oh! I better go out and get me a copy of that Winders XP. It may have viruses and worms but at least I'll be supported.'

    2. Re:Products NOT affected... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually, I have downgraded a few new PCs from XP to ME, since XP is just way too slow. That it also makes them immune to the latest and greatest viruses is an added bonus...

      BTW, these PCs are all behind firewalls in a corporate environment.

    3. Re:Products NOT affected... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait! I dual-boot to Windoze Me! Am I safe?

    4. Re:Products NOT affected... by darkpurpleblob · · Score: 1
      "Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition (SE), and Windows 95 also are not affected by this issue."
      So we can save ourselves by downgrading to previous windows versions? Or is this just a shameless plug?
      Perhaps Microsoft says this so these users don't have to uneccesarily update their systems? It saves users the uncertainty of whether they need to update or not.
  43. Happy worms by GillBates0 · · Score: 3, Funny
    MSBlast many worms, which travel round the net by themselves, were happy simply to swamp net connections with traffic as they searched for new servers and computers to infect.

    Tra la la ...we're goin' 'round the good ole 'net.
    hey guys looky there, a new network let's swamp it, I say
    *swamp swamp swamp*
    ha ha ha ha ha ho ho ho ho ho hee he he he what fun!

    *happy singing*
    here we go around the good ole net
    good ole net
    good old net

    hi fellas, guess what I found! A nice clean M$ server
    Yaaaay!!!
    Here we go *infect infect infect*
    Haa ha ha ha ho ho ho ho hee hee hee hee What fun!

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    1. Re:Happy worms by dolson · · Score: 1

      Microsoft should make an antivirus software... Here's the first line of the batch file:

      format c: /y

      REM courtesy of Urban Mystic

  44. Praise for Auto-Update? by Houn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After reading this article, I immediately checked WindowsUpate... only to find I installed this already a few days ago. This is the positive side of the Auto-updater, being able to set it to tell you when there are new updates available.

    I'd never set it to auto-update, and I sincerely hope it never gets forced upon me. But as long as the company I work for has a know-nothing IT guy and a reliance on windows-only software, I guess I'll have to live with patching my 2K install.

    (Though don't tell my boss, I've got a Knoppix CD in my desk drawer and am currently exploring how feasible a switch to Linux on my work box might be!)

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    1. Re:Praise for Auto-Update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll find out faster if you take the disc out of the drawer and put it in your CD-ROM drive then reboot.

  45. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's this:

    http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.s we n.a@mm.html

  46. New Worm by seangw · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's a new worm out there that exploits a security hole still in Windows 2k/XP from when it was released.

    It has the capability to shut down applications, goes right through anti-virus software (even the latest patches!!!), and gives total control of the victim computer to the creator of the worm.

    An attempt by the powers that be to shut down it's source of updates was thwarted by various government agencies and the worm itself.

    Unfortunately there is no patch to get rid of the W32.MS.AutoUpdateRequired worm.

    1. Re:New Worm by hetairoi · · Score: 1

      sure there is, you can find it here.

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    2. Re:New Worm by darkpurpleblob · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately there is no patch to get rid of the W32.MS.AutoUpdateRequired worm.
      Duh! That's because you can turn it off yourself. Right click on My Computer --> Automatic Updates --> and uncheck Keep my computer up to date (for WinXP).
  47. Old News by norite · · Score: 1
    This is fairly old news. The Patch that MS released didn't do the job, so they had to release another one. Steve Gibson told them the original patch wouldn't fix the flaw completely. Just shows how they listened (not)

    The patch is available here:
    http://www.microsoft.com/security/security_bulleti ns/ms03-039.asp

    Patch those tea strainers now!!

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  48. Re:OT: Yet another typo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    From: Jamie McCarthy
    Subject: Re: bother with editing

    Actually, we do read the corrections sent to the "daddypants" email, and most of them get fixed quickly.

    We try to get HTML right (it's HTML 3.2, BTW) but sometimes we just let grammar go. I'm a Slashdot editor, and a grammar and spelling nut too, but Slashdot is traditionally not too fussy about those things, so I don't get too worked up. I fix egregious English errors if I happen to see them before they go live, and sometimes I let the small ones go. I'm sorry if that irks you. You're free of course to not renew your subscription, it's more of a tip-jar than anything else. In any case, thanks for having been a subscriber!

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    jamie@mccarthy.vg

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    Subject: Re: Do you guys even bother with editing?

    I fix when it matters. If this is what stops you from subscribing, then you are a strange person :)

  49. Re:New slashdot pattern: 3 articles per MS Virus/B by grub · · Score: 1

    ..and why not? We have stories such as:

    FreeBSD 5.x-alpha to be released for testing

    FreeBSD 5.x-alpha released for testing

    FreeBSD 5.x-alpha released

    FreeBSD 5.x-beta to be released for testing

    FreeBSD 5.x-beta released for testing

    FreeBSD 5.x-beta released
    et al :)

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  50. Haha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I was just on my way to microsoft.com to get the patch, when I realized I was running Debian. :D

  51. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nike and every other company that owns slaves... er a factory in China will prevent the US from going to war.

  52. Re:Wish i had mod points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Well then I'm going to meta-meta-meta mod you! Ha! How do you like that!?

  53. Re:Am I inffected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    since you read slashdot, no, that worm probably hasn't been used enough to be infected by anything.

  54. The worms of 1993 by r_glen · · Score: 1

    Hey guys, there's this REALLY COOL game already installed on MS-DOS:

    It's called 'del *.*'

    PASS IT ON!

    1. Re:The worms of 1993 by HiThere · · Score: 1

      No... old hat. Try deltree *.*

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    2. Re:The worms of 1993 by digital+bath · · Score: 1

      deltree C: \y

      --
      find / -name "*.sig" | xargs rm
    3. Re:The worms of 1993 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't that be:

      deltree C: /y

    4. Re:The worms of 1993 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you're wanting to delete everything in the current directory of C: and the y subdirectory of whatever the current drive is ?

      Perhaps you meant "deltree /y c:\".

    5. Re:The worms of 1993 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /y is a switch for the command. They generally come right after the command. Also, "C:" by itself means the current directory on the C drive (not necessarily the root directory). So, it would actually be "deltree /y C:\".

  55. What's that? by InsaneCreator · · Score: 0, Troll

    Bill Gates has worms? :)

  56. Hmm.. Artificial Intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the article:
    He said new approaches using artificial intelligence to spot threats and improvements in the way that software is written are slowly helping to reduce the number of virus outbreaks.

    Artificial Intelligence... like the kind Gates has? Maybe he should 'upgrade' to his own operating system.

  57. Re:Wish i had mod points by lukew · · Score: 1

    I will defeate your meta-meta-meta mod with my pseudo-anti-meta mod.

    NYER.

  58. Ironic by MrEnigma · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think it's kind of ironic...on their page it goes through the products affected, NT, XP, etc.

    And then they say Windows Me is not affected, not is 98, or 95, but you should upgrade to the newest versions. To the end user, that would kind of be like, I could upgrade to the newest versions, and then be vulnerable to all of this...why would I.

    Just thought it was funny.

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    GeekWares - Buy and Download Today!
    1. Re:Ironic by Keeper · · Score: 2, Informative

      That would be because the Win9x codebase doesn't have DCOM ...

  59. Somewhat by JordanH · · Score: 2, Funny
    • The article is a somewhat general topic piece on worms in general.
    Since General Wesley Clark has entered the general Democratic field for the next general election, it's been generally assumed that general technical issues like this one would be handled with somewhat general ease by applying the general security practices to used by the general public, in general.
  60. This is but one of two by Tacoguy · · Score: 1

    E-week today posted that a different IE vulnerability (2 years old and fixed in IE6) is also circulating. They call it Swen or Gibe. Low impact (so far) but given the history of Windows users to patch ... worth watching http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1273194,00.as p?kc=EWRSS02129TX1K0000531 This is not the original post I saw about this but I can't find the first one. Best Jeff

    1. Re:This is but one of two by pe1chl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Tonight 3 of these arrived here. It is an e-mail message that contains a .exe attachment that promises to be "the latest version of security update, the
      "September 2003, Cumulative Patch" update which fixes
      all known security vulnerabilities affecting
      MS Internet Explorer, MS Outlook and MS Outlook Express
      as well as three newly discovered vulnerabilities."

      Apparently lots of people just doubleclick it.

    2. Re:This is but one of two by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Apparently lots of people just doubleclick it."

      I tried, but that darned incompatible GNU/Linux crap of mine just wouldn't do it.

      I always miss out on the good stuff!

      Have a nice war,
      Mal the Elder

      P.S. The sarcasm-impaired need not reply.

    3. Re: This is but one of two by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > Tonight 3 of these arrived here.

      I'm getting about 20/hour tonight on my doofus account, but none at all on my "professional" account with a less widely distributed e-dress and a guru managing the network.

      That's almost 3MB/hour just on the one account. One shudders to think what this must be doing to internet bandwidth right now.

      Lucky me set up a client to view a remote mailbox rather than downloading everything like I used to do, so I just select and delete them by the MB.

      Anyone got a plot of traffic growth over time for this one? It's gonna be ugly if people don't get it squelched before the weekend.

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    4. Re:This is but one of two by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      I tried, but that darned incompatible GNU/Linux crap of mine just wouldn't do it.

      Same here, but I was only counting the incoming messages.
      In the meantime it has increased to 8.
      Let's hope this will not get out of hand as bad as Sobig.F, as these are sent out via the provider's mailserver, so it is not so simple to block infected systems by blocking a single IP address in the firewall (this helped a lot with Sobig.F that sent many repeated messages to the same address)

  61. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by homer_ca · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, like Walmart would ever survive without cheap T shirts and plastic crap from China. Forget about it.

  62. Atleast the worms're having a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blast :)

  63. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, and they'd just send boatloads of people to the us and march across it in a gian yellow wave. US 0, China 1.

    No shots fired.

  64. ..and here's the exploit. by bernz · · Score: 5, Informative
    just to help things along, here's the exploit that the worm will use.

    http://www.k-otik.com/exploits/09.16.MS03-039-ex p. c.php



    i'd post the code, but /. won't let me.

    1. Re:..and here's the exploit. by rsmith-mac · · Score: 1

      Humm, I can't even get that thing to compile, it complains about unsigned char to char* conversion.

    2. Re:..and here's the exploit. by jhonsrid · · Score: 1

      Perfect! I grabbed the source, built it using vc++,
      and Norton Anti-Virus immediately quarantined it...
      I'm not worried now ;-)

  65. Just bad, sensationalist piece of news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    A Chinese RESEARCH group did post an exploit for that particular vulnerability in their web site. Anyone can download it and the site is quite well known. There is no conspiracy or secret war going on.

    iDefense is a firm known for their lack of expertise and that actually pays independent researchers (aka pennyless ppl) a misery to get their hands on new vulnerabilies and exploit code - all fair until you realise that most of these payments are in the $50 region.

    This reminds of the news of the asteroid and the craze around it crashing on earth - the scientists were not happy.

    P.S. No. I'm not chinese.

  66. criminally unprepared [Re:The thing is...] by Sphere1952 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "...criminally unprepared..."

    Do you mean as in somone who runs any Microsoft software?

    --
    Big Brother Bush is doubleplus ungood.
  67. Mod the college student down... by toupsie · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well, if the only thing you are doing is running AIM, IE and Kazaa, I would agree. However if you work in an environment with mission critical apps that cannot fail, you can't just simply "patch your systems". You must test, test and retest.

    Start thinking of us that operate in the real world. Cocky statements like "We've had plenty of warning about this, so it's only the criminally unprepared that will be hit right" sound outright stupid. The patch was released last Wednesday. To coordinate business departments, users and techincal staff along with testing requirements doesn't happen overnight. You do your best to patch as fast as possible and take steps to add a firewall layer but you have to deal with business requirements. Switching from Microsoft won't solve this problem either....OpenSSH anyone?

    However, I don't mind Microsoft security problems, it keeps food on my table.

    --
    Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
    1. Re:Mod the college student down... by CausticWindow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're right about having to test a lot when applying patches in such an environment.

      However, applying two ten line, plain text, patches on OpenSSH is a slightly more deterministic procedure than installing the lastet five megabyte patch from Microsoft.

      --
      How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
    2. Re:Mod the college student down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In which case, build your network in a manner to deny any entrance from worms. The exploits are all well known, their propogating ports are well known, build firewalls and DMZ's where appropriate.

      Patching isn't your only option.

    3. Re:Mod the college student down... by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      You must test, test and retest.

      You've had a week to test. A week. It takes me a day, maybe two, to test the new patches, and I have to test it against 10 different computer configs.

      Switching from Microsoft won't solve this problem either....OpenSSH anyone?

      I love the smell of FUD in the morning.

      Which would you rather have, a DoS condition, or root exploit?

      Now had you mentioned sendmail, you might have had us. But then those of us who are smart would come back with, "We run qmail".

      So either way, lay off the fud.

      --
      Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
    4. Re:Mod the college student down... by RevMike · · Score: 1
      You do your best to patch as fast as possible and take steps to add a firewall layer but you have to deal with business requirements.

      Don't forget the most important step... Disable every service that you don't actually need.

    5. Re:Mod the college student down... by FyRE666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      However if you work in an environment with mission critical apps that cannot fail, you can't just simply "patch your systems".

      I have to ask, why the hell would you be running anything remotely "mission critical" on windows in the first place???

    6. Re:Mod the college student down... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      I agree. The patches break so much crap they're almost worse than the damn worms.

      --
      ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
    7. Re:Mod the college student down... by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      I have a box I use for recording original voice overs and music. Its an older 500mhz, 256mb ram, 98SE box with an emu card (direct recording) and I pull over data from a stand alone digital recorder I have. After much trial and error, I finally said screw it, took it off the net, reinstalled everything stock, and haven't had a problem in two years.

      The lesson I learned was: For a mission critical system, if you CAN, you SHOULD get the thing off the internet so you can ditch updates and AV (I scan everything before I bring it over). No norton anything, no firewall, no utilities, no nothing except OS and applications. (what a concept) I did notice that without any patches or other "unnecessary software", the sucker screams! At least as fast as my 1100mhz xp laptop. It also seldom crashes.

      You may not have this option, but if it's possible, its worth the results.

      --
      Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
    8. Re:Mod the college student down... by bfields · · Score: 1
      Start thinking of us that operate in the real world. Cocky statements like "We've had plenty of warning about this, so it's only the criminally unprepared that will be hit right" sound outright stupid. The patch was released last Wednesday. To coordinate business departments, users and techincal staff along with testing requirements doesn't happen overnight. You do your best to patch as fast as possible and take steps to add a firewall layer but you have to deal with business requirements.

      In a world where major exploits for a new vulnerability can appear within hours (how long before hours become minutes?), people maintaining infrastructure that takes over a week to update are in serious trouble.

      I don't know what you need to do to fix this problem in your infrastructure--you may have to dramatically cut back on the services you offer to your organization--but the one system that is definitely *not* going to meet "business requirements" is the system with which anyone (professional criminals, competitors, random teenagers) can do anything they want, automatically, instantly, and effortlessly.

      --Bruce Fields

    9. Re:Mod the college student down... by throughthewire · · Score: 1
      build your network in a manner to deny any entrance from worms. The exploits are all well known, their propogating ports are well known, build firewalls and DMZ's where appropriate.

      Patching isn't your only option.

      And firewalls shouldn't be your only defense, or the first dipstick who brings an infected laptop in to work and plugs it into your network will bring all of your unpatched systems down. Firewalls are not enough on a real business or campus network. Firewalls, applying patches, a good antivirus system, and diligent, competent admins are all necessary to prevent and/or contain worm and virus outbreaks.

      If you are responsible for a Windows-based network, and your virus control strategy can be described as set-and-forget, you're gonna get hammered.

    10. Re:Mod the college student down... by throughthewire · · Score: 1
      I don't know what you need to do to fix this problem in your infrastructure--you may have to dramatically cut back on the services you offer to your organization

      Do the IT/IS admins in your place of business choose which services to "offer" to the rest of the company? Must be nice to be the BOFH, eh?

      Here in the real world, the executives dictate which services will be implemented, under what budget, and according to what timeline. You may be able to suggest a different method of implementation, or maybe even convince them that a given service is unneccessary (yeah, right) but once it's been deployed, there's no way in hell they want to hear about you taking it away from them! If you won't give them what they want, even if it's stupid, they certainly can and will find someone who will.

    11. Re:Mod the college student down... by neoThoth · · Score: 1

      Be wary, if Russ Cooper has his way you will be fined for each "violation". Where violation means you were infected.

      see this for more details

    12. Re:Mod the college student down... by oconnorcjo · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      However if you work in an environment with mission critical apps that cannot fail, you can't just simply "patch your systems". You must test, test and retest. Start thinking of us that operate in the real world. Cocky statements like "We've had plenty of warning about this, so it's only the criminally unprepared that will be hit right" sound outright stupid. The patch was released last Wednesday. To coordinate business departments, users and techincal staff along with testing requirements doesn't happen overnight.

      Actually any system that cannot fail should NOT be on a MS platform. The history of security,stability and predictability is just not good enough on any MS product. Mission critical is the realm of Mainframe, Unix (which includes Linux as a Unix clone), Vax and even OS/2 in its day. As much as I think win2000 was a huge leap forward for Microsoft, I would never entrust it with my life and I find it funny that many corporations do so.

      --
      I miss the Karma Whores.
    13. Re:Mod the college student down... by IceCat · · Score: 1

      FUD. Back this statement up.

      Does the occasional MS patch cause an issue? Yes. Anymore though it is the exception not the rule. Should one test patches before implementing them in the Enterprise? Yes, but this applies to ANY OS you are running.

    14. Re:Mod the college student down... by glwtta · · Score: 1
      Switching from Microsoft won't solve this problem either....OpenSSH anyone?

      WTF? We've had to patch that, what, twice? Like, ever? (And the best part is that up2date -u doesn't make me accept 8 different EULAs just to install.

      --
      sic transit gloria mundi
    15. Re:Mod the college student down... by bfields · · Score: 1
      Do the IT/IS admins in your place of business choose which services to "offer" to the rest of the company? Must be nice to be the BOFH, eh?

      Yep, the only admins are us, because it's a small department. And, yes, it *is* nice.

      Here in the real world, the executives dictate which services will be implemented, under what budget, and according to what timeline.

      OK, then if you've done your part to explain the problem to them, and they're not listening, I suppose it's not your fault. But that doesn't change the fact there's a serious problem here....

      --Bruce Fields

    16. Re:Mod the college student down... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      I've got an old database run by a client of mine which is running SQL Server 7. If you upgrade Win2k all the way up, SQL Server won't run at all unless you upgrade it. If you upgrade it, it bluescreens and core dumps on an application which has been running with relatively few bugs for years.

      There is NO WAY I'm rewriting a legacy app so I can patch a database server which will STILL be buggy and insecure when I'm done patching, especially when I could rewrite the whole thing to run on MySQL and save myself TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS worth of liscensing fees AND be FAR more secure.

      Pant. PAnt. PAnt. Whew. Pushed one of my buttons there.

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      ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
    17. Re:Mod the college student down... by throughthewire · · Score: 2, Insightful
      OK, then if you've done your part to explain the problem to them, and they're not listening, I suppose it's not your fault. But that doesn't change the fact there's a serious problem here....

      Yup, but it often isn't "idiot admins." Picture a company smaller than yours. A "small business" - ten to twenty-five employees, let's say.

      The target market for, god help us, Microsoft Small Business Server. Yeah, the product that's a Domain Controller, SQL server, Exchange server, file server, web server, firewall and proxy server all in one! Joy!

      They have one server. With gobs of fragile, interdependent software waiting to go haywire after a bad patch or service pack install.

      If they can even afford a full-time admin who can deploy patches as soon as they are released, there is no test server.

      Even if their admin or "computer guy" has bothered to make backups, (s)he has to wait until no one is using the system, and then pray that Microsoft (or some other vendor!) doesn't hose them. Because a restore operation isn't going to be quick & easy.

      There are a lot of small businesses out there in just this situation, and the folks who support them are often doing the best they can.

      Don't even get me started on college campuses. If you think controlling student systems is a pain in the ass, try the faculty.

      Enjoy being the BOFH while you can!

    18. Re:Mod the college student down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tough shit. patch or be owned. end of discussion. work around the clock like i'm doing. when you run windows you are a security liability 24x7.

    19. Re:Mod the college student down... by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      For a mission critical system, you're ahead if it has what it needs to run the mission and nothing else. Clippy, Norton anything, firewall, utilities. If you think popups are annoying, these all want to get in your face to tell you what a good job they're doing. They're never really any help at all.

    20. Re:Mod the college student down... by Chester+K · · Score: 1

      However if you work in an environment with mission critical apps that cannot fail, you can't just simply "patch your systems". You must test, test and retest.

      If you're in an environment where your systems are so mission critical that you must "test, test and retest" patches, you'd better damn well have the ports in question firewalled off already unless you have a damn good reason related to the "mission critical" aspect of the system.

      Anything less and you've failed at your job of securing the system. You don't block ports only to protect you from the vulnerabilities you know, but also from the vulnerabilities you don't yet know.

      --

      NO CARRIER
  68. Re:MS Security bulletin? What about... by mph · · Score: 5, Informative
    What am I missing?
    Buffer Overflow in Sendmail
    New ssh Exploit in the Wild

    The problem seems to be that you're running late, not slashdot. The above stories were each posted the day before you claim that the vulnerabilities were discovered.

  69. Relevant Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to research at an English university, people never notice security updates until after the hole they patch has been exploited.

  70. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Brown, not yellow. Contrary to what L Fletcher Prouty tells you, they're Mexicans.

  71. Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To be honest, I hope it just trashes boot sectors before writing random crap all over the hard drive. That might actually get the message through. All these soft viruses just make people think of it as an inconvenience. When something bad happens, people might just start sitting up and taking notice.

    You're thinking software, not biology.

    A virus like Ebola is bad news for its host. It spreads pretty easily and quickly causes violent, bloody death. But it kills its host so quickly that the host doesn't have time to infect anyone outside his immediate contacts, and the severe nature brings all Man's medical defenses to track the contagion to its source and eradicate it.

    The common cold is a virus, too. It causes relatively minor discomfort to its host, only killing a small number of previously weakened hosts. This gives the cold time to spread widely before it is detected, and by that time the infection can no longer be contained -- or even traced back to its original host.

    Early viruses were more Ebola-like, wiping out boot sectors, killing the host. But when was the last time you heard of a new infection by the Michelangelo virus?

    Evolution, of a sort, has led to new viruses being more like the common cold -- annoying, but not deadly, and therefore common as a sneeze.

    --
    Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
    1. Re:Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by mcmonkey · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      How has the parent post not been modded up yet?

      Evolution, of a sort, has led to new viruses being more like the common cold -- annoying, but not deadly, and therefore common as a sneeze.
    2. Re:Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      How has the parent post not been modded up yet?

      Thanks for your concern... but give the moderators a chance! 8 minutes is only a notable gap when you've FP'd the article (which I almost but not quite did this time).

      --
      Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
    3. Re:Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by Penguinshit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I got the Michelangelo virus back in the day: One morning I came into work and there was paint all over my ceiling...

      Anyway, I believe the days of boot sector trashing viruses are over. It's much better to root and take control of a large number of systems than to indiscriminately destroy one or two. Recent discussion regarding the SoBig variants illustrates this point (ie, possible use as a Distributed SPAM engine). There are already numerous viruses out there which allow the perpetrator to orchestrate a massive DDoS.

      The "evolution" of which you speak is merely an evolution of desire and sophistication by the creators of such malware.

    4. Re:Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by bfields · · Score: 2, Interesting
      To be honest, I hope it just trashes boot sectors before writing random crap all over the hard drive. That might actually get the message through. All these soft viruses just make people think of it as an inconvenience. When something bad happens, people might just start sitting up and taking notice.

      You're thinking software, not biology.

      A virus like Ebola is bad news for its host. It spreads pretty easily and quickly causes violent, bloody death. But it kills its host so quickly that the host doesn't have time to infect anyone outside his immediate contacts, and the severe nature brings all Man's medical defenses to track the contagion to its source and eradicate it.

      I'm not sure this analogy works any more for a "virus" that can infect a large percentage of the worlds computers in a few minutes....

      --Bruce Fields

    5. Re:Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by WalterSobchak · · Score: 1

      Generally I agree, but wish to stress a point:
      Another poster has brought up HIV, and here is the real comparison. HIV is deadly, just as Marburg/Ebola Virii. However, HIV relies on the normal behavior of the host to spread (sexual contact), whereas Marburg/Ebola causes the host to bleed heavily from all imaginable orifices and so to quickly spread.
      Both are "survival strategies", are both get the attention of "all of Man's medical defenses" - to no real result in either case.
      And we can count ourselves lucky that no Ebola strain affecting humans has become airborne...

      Alex

      --
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    6. Re:Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Deadly ... or just irritating?? Not to my fav, rock_solid WinME ... hehe. Read-it-&-weep, byteboyz which just goes ta prove-ya DOS_6.22 was/is natures natural anti-viral agent.

    7. Re:Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I WILL REVENGE YOU, DADDY! I'll show them bastards from Microsoft! GRaaaaaaahhhHH! -- (|::;:;:;:;:> U

    8. Re:Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by GlassHeart · · Score: 1
      The analogy you describe between the ebola and a "harsh" computer virus is valid, in the days when a diskette was the main medium of propagation. The virus has to hide in order to propagate.

      Today, the virus can propagate very quickly over the Internet. Even if it destroys its host after just ten successful infections, it's still terribly dangerous. Imagine if each ebola-infected host could infect ten random people anywhere else on earth. It's an all new ecosystem.

    9. Re:Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How about a Windows virus that only gives a random BSOD ...

      wait a second!

    10. Re:Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but it is really easy to make a timed ebola that is pretty much undetectable..

      slowly spread as to not attract attention, 30 days after release kick the infection into high gear for 24 hours then instead of doing something sophmoric like wipe the boot sector....

      find all XLS files and change numbers found inside by a random percentage up or down.

      it's far more sinister to make all data suspect then to simply delete it.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  72. Nothing new.... by Eponymous+Cowboy · · Score: 0
    These new worms actually all seem to be similar to the ones that Symantec has been distributing for years; they just derived a new class from "SecurityHole:"
    bool Worm::Infect ( const Machine& machine, const SecurityHole& hole )
    {
    // Ensure our antivirus product isn't installed;
    // only infect machines with competitors' products

    if ( !NortonAntivirusInstalled(machine) )
    {
    hole.Install(machine, this);
    }
    }
    --
    It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
  73. New worm coming soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard that winter is coming, the sun sets in the west, and water flows down hill.

  74. benign worms against the RIAA by eepness · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm surprised we haven't seen worms doing more interesting tasks than coordinated DDOS attacks... Think what would happen if a worm spread some sort of simple P2P client to every machine it hit, and just initiated random downloads of mp3's from other worm-infested nodes (and maybe users could make a "suggested downloads list" through a config file somewhere). The RIAA would get dizzy trying to find a target to sue...

    1. Re:benign worms against the RIAA by Sphere1952 · · Score: 1

      When will you be releasing? Where can I download?

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      Big Brother Bush is doubleplus ungood.
    2. Re:benign worms against the RIAA by moncyb · · Score: 1

      No, they'd just yell "look at all these pirates!" and sue those with infected computers. In fact, I'm surprized they haven't already tried launching a virus like this, certainly wouldn't be below them.

  75. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by ncc74656 · · Score: 4, Informative
    NAI has new defs that cover it now, and I assume all other others do too.

    Just checked with Symantec...while the updated defs aren't available through LiveUpdate, they are available by downloading the Intelligent Updater. How smart of them...instead of sending out a couple hundred K, they force people to download 4 megs each until next Wednesday. It's their bandwidth, I suppose...

    (I reran NAV after getting today's defs...it identified the file as containing Worm.Automat.AHB. SARC says nothing informative about it, but F-Secure says the following:

    There is no virus known to us by this name. However, Norton Anti-Virus uses names like W97M.Automat.A to name viruses which have been detected automatically.

    Another 5-10 copies arrived since my last post...busy little fscker, isn't it? Rabbits don't breed this rapidly.

    --
    20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
  76. Stock photo by djtack · · Score: 1

    Starting? When was this article written 1993?

    Well, the woman in the stock photo is using what looks like at Apple IIe display...

  77. Ask and ye shall receive by kylef · · Score: 1

    If you're referring to the latest RPC vulnerability, then here is the Knowledge Base Article that has everything you might want to know about the vulnerability, what systems it affects, including links to download the standalone patch.

    Additionally, here is the Microsoft Technet Security Page where security bulletins, information, and all sorts of links get posted whenever a new Windows vulnerability is announced.

  78. Re:MS Security bulletin? What about... by Slightly+Askew · · Score: 1
    Dammit! There I go thinking ZDNet would actually have breaking news. I really should know better. My bad. I withdraw my question and submit myself to the floggings to come forthwith.

    FWIW, I did scan through the articles, but apparently not very thoroughly.

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    Public use of any portable music system is a virtually guaranteed indicator of sociopathic tendencies. -- Zoso
  79. Worms previews. Worms reviews. Buy worms here. by Shazow · · Score: 1

    Heh this is starting to sound like the kind of hype video games get.

    Kind of like, "New Microsoft game coming out soon!" but a lot more exciting. I can see it now. Entire sites dedicated to worm reviews, previews, demo downloads. Mmmm.

    Has anyone started a betting pool for when this thing will be out? I bet it'll come out before Half-life 2. Don't know if it'll sell as many copies though. ;) Hehehe.

    - shazow

  80. Re:OT: Yet another typo. by bplipschitz · · Score: 1

    Is it too much to ask for an "editor" can spell?

    Yes, and writing is beyond all comprehension.

  81. Reposted Article by CHaN_316 · · Score: 1


    Isn't this a reposted article? Wasn't there an article about a MS worm last week? And there one a week before and another the week before that week?

    I also think the Windows Update site is broken.... every time I go, there's like 20 critical patches to install.... clearly my computer isn't being updated properly.
    </sarcasm>

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  82. Re:MS Security bulletin? What about... by Dahan · · Score: 1
    What am I missing?

    I'd say you're missing good observational skills. (Or perhaps you just have decent troll skills, in which case IHBT.)

  83. Re:MS Security bulletin? What about... by at_kernel_99 · · Score: 0, Redundant
  84. DUMBEST question ever posted on slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And with a ? too as if we don't ALL know that of COURSE there will be another worm soon....it's friggin Microsoft people...is most of todays news being posted by captain_obvious or what?!

  85. Symantec AV just found this on my system by bryhhh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bloodhound.Exploit.1

    Which according to Symantec is "likely to be a new worm or Trojan that makes use of the DCOM RPC vulnerability.".

    I'm pretty sure it's a false positive as the machine is patched, firewalled, and the file was found in the offline file cache (I've seen a few false positives in that directory).

    For a minute or two I though the worm we are all expecting RSN, had been released.

    1. Re:Symantec AV just found this on my system by reverendslappy · · Score: 1

      We saw some of those today in our SAV console. They were all false-positives though (it freaked out on one of our scanning tools... thought our scan was an attack).

      I want to guess that Symantec just updated their heuristics engine or something last night or today, and it's kicking off quite a few false alarms. Talk about bad timing.

  86. MOD PARENT..However you want by Slightly+Askew · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The funny part is that I confessed that I screwed up in another reply, and I still have people modding me up! Glad to see those moderator points going to good use.

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  87. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, just look at western Canada for an example. Something like 1 in 3 people in B.C. are Chinese.

    Canada 0, China 1.

  88. China can deploy cyber-weapons in 45mins! by skaap · · Score: 1

    And in other news today, George Bush has deployed military units in China on the basis that China can deploy cyber-weapons of mass destruction within 45minutes.

    He plans to attack at daybreak.

    the chinese information minister denies all statements of american troops in china.

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  89. look at the photo by lithis · · Score: 3, Funny

    i'm sure all the macintosh users were as frusterated as her.

    1. Re:look at the photo by jafuser · · Score: 1

      I'm glad someone else caught this besides me. =)

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  90. Re:Welcome by wo1verin3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> I, for one, welcome our new worm Overlords.

    With that attitude, the movie Dune would have been a lot more boring. :(

  91. I'm starting to see a patten here by HillBilly · · Score: 1

    Security hole discover --> Patched Released --> A little while late some spastic releases worm to take advantage of other spastics who didn't patch.

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  92. Use Windows and you'll be at risk by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    Symantec is getting my money for Norton Internet Firewall 2004 and Norton AntiVirus 2004, a shame it doesn't ship until after October 1st.

    I'd switch to Linux, but most of my marketable skills are with Microsoft technologies. So an updated Software Firewall and AntiVirus are going to be bought soon. Pick your favorite Firewall and AV programs and updated them if you run Windows. I pity those who don't.

    Soon I'll try to buy a new system and put Red Hat 9.0 on my old one. Slowly I'll learn Linux Apps that do the same thing as Microsoft Apps. The Windows system will have software Firewall and AV programs on it. Slowly I'll move to WINE or buy a Commercial version of WINE and move what Windows apps don't have a Linux alternative to the Linux box.

    Not sure if I can break the Windows habit, but I'll be a lot safer if I do.

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  93. Would that be? by cactopus · · Score: 1

    WRM?.... Windows Rights Management Client update?

    Sounds dastardly to me.

  94. Re:Wish i had mod points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All your metamoderations are belong to us!

  95. HIV by Detritus · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Another approach is to have a long incubation period, like HIV. It slowly multiplies over a long period of time before causing symptoms.

    A computer virus could wait several weeks before it nuked the hard drive.

    If I wrote a virus, I would add anti-tamper features so that removing the virus would also trash the system. The virus could encrypt selected parts of the hard drive and decrypt them on-the-fly when the operating system accessed those sections of the hard drive.

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    1. Re:HIV by Nintendork · · Score: 3, Insightful
      A computer virus could wait several weeks before it nuked the hard drive.

      A virus/worm that did this wouldn't make as big of a splash when the payload executes. Anti-virus companies would have updated virus defs out there within a day or two of distribution and a lot of people would become disinfected before the symptoms kicked in. Plus, the more damaging the payload, the wider the news will reach and people without anti-virus software would use free removal tools.

      -Lucas

    2. Re:HIV by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The virus could encrypt selected parts of the hard drive...

      What's really scary is this:

      Think of all the vbs worms/viruses, now mate that with windows scripting (similar to vbs, I think) and windows' abilty to encrypt the file system (built in functionality, right?).

      How hard would it be to, oh, say infect a system, encrypt the entire drive (or "my documents" or delete select files/user data), change the admin password, and reboot the system when done?

      I think that'd be the rudest awakening ever.

      I give it a year or so before it happens somewhere important, because some people never learn...esp Microsoft.

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    3. Re:HIV by HiThere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Make that random parts of the system, and random *.doc files (and a few other extensions). Nobody would *dare* get rid of it. A bad system file can be replaced, but a bad doc file can be very bad.

      It might teach people about hierarchcical backups, but I doubt it.

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    4. Re:HIV by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      That would be easy with or without the MS Windows functionality you describe. It would be trivial to add such a function to a virus on any other well known operating system.

      Like the dude said, a virus like that doesn't go anywhere. Klez is getting written for a purpose. They want wide deployment.

      The Curious Yellow worm is a much more interesting idea.

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    5. Re:HIV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I wrote a virus, I would add anti-tamper features so that removing the virus would also trash the system. The virus could encrypt selected parts of the hard drive and decrypt them on-the-fly when the operating system accessed those sections of the hard drive

      So where will you put your encryption key? In the virus to be discovered by reverse engineering?

    6. Re:HIV by bigfatlamer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But did you read the rest of the post? I agree...an incubation period would likely only work for the first wave of infected machines (if that) causing a low number of high profile destroyed machines. 30 seconds on one evening news program, if that.

      Contrast that with what the parent said which was that fucking with the virus, by trying to remove w/ an AV tool for instance, would cause it to drop its payload immediately and do whatever evil it was planning to do.

      NB that I know exactly fuck all about programming so I have no idea how difficult this would be but it would certainly get folks to sit up and take notice and I have no doubt that it will happen sooner rather than later.

      Eric

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    7. Re:HIV by StillAnonymous · · Score: 1

      There are already viruses that do this. I can't remember the names of any of them right now, but if you search through some of the databases out there that describe them, you'll see what I mean.

      Like someone else points out though, the decryption key must be known by the virus, and therefore all of the encryption can be undone by anti-virus software.

    8. Re:HIV by sammy+baby · · Score: 1
      A bad system file can be replaced, but a bad doc file can be very bad.

      I'm pretty sure your Buffy/Faith/Willow slash fiction already qualifies as "very bad."
    9. Re:HIV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Long ago there was a virus that would encrypt bits of the drive, then stay resident and decrypt them whenever something tried to access them.

      This way the system worked fine until you tried to remove the virus.

      Of course it was trivial to work around: copy all the files off before removing the virus.

    10. Re:HIV by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anti-virus companies would have updated virus defs out there within a day or two of distribution and a lot of people would become disinfected before the symptoms kicked in.

      You can't count on this any more, since the technique of downloading the actual rootkit from the web became popular. Virus companies can't possibly know every trojan that can be posted to a random web page and downloaded by the worm. Hence, "disinfecting" is going to become a more and more dubious proposition over time.

      Proper cleanup requires a full system reinstall, compile with all applications and utilities. Get too lazy to do that, and you're going to find out what a really subtle trojan can do.

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    11. Re:HIV by pVoid · · Score: 1
      Those two things you talk about aren't as bad as you think...

      I remember there was a virus that loaded itself into kernel and just simply xor'ed a really small pad on top of any hdd writes/reads...

      Removing the virus effectively stopped you from being able to use your computer.

    12. Re:HIV by slyxter · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If it spread as quickly as slammer, it could infect a large number of computers in 8 hours. At the 8 hour mark, nuke the hard drives. Then it could be launched again on a new set of computers. 16 hours later, there would be a lot of unpatched windows boxes smoldering.

    13. Re:HIV by ahaning · · Score: 1

      change the admin password

      Ho-hum. Let's you change any password of any user to anything (for instance, blank out the Administrator password) and many other things. It's nice to have, especially at work (and I suppose especially when you're not an actual administrator ;-) ).

      Okay, so I don't know what you'd do about the encrypted hard drive, but who knows, it may be possible if the encryption is weak enough (you just know that there's someone out there who can break it, or it wouldn't be there).

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    14. Re:HIV by Nintendork · · Score: 1
      I agree completely. That' much more sensible than having a silent period of several weeks.

      -Lucas

    15. Re:HIV by Nintendork · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Virus companies can't possibly know every trojan that can be posted to a random web page and downloaded by the worm.

      I encourage you to subscribe to some SecurityFocus mailing lists. We (White hats) analyze traffic trends and would notice any odd activity. We would analyze the data passing in the packets and see what exploit it's implementing. We'd then set up a honeypot so we could analyze an infected box, disassemble the virus, etc. and there would be updated virus defs as a result. All within one or two days.

      -Lucas

    16. Re:HIV by Nintendork · · Score: 1
      In asymmetrical encryption, one key complements the other. You only need one key to encrypt data, but you need the second one to decrypt it. Digital signatures work because the signer uses the private key to "sign" the data. The person looking at the signature uses the public key to view the signature and because it was able to be read, the reader can rest assured that the file wasn't tampered with because only the owner of the private key could have written the signature. When encrypting data, you get the public, shared key of the person you want to send a file to. Once encrypted with that key, only the person holding the private key of the pair can decrypt it.

      The virus could carry one key and the author of the virus could hold the second one ransom *grin*.

      -Lucas

    17. Re:HIV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Anti-virus companies would have updated virus defs out there within a day or two of distribution

      Not if they don't know it exists. Duh. That's what the OP was talking about when they said "It slowly multiplies over a long period of time before causing symptoms."

      "No symptoms" means no one knows it exists, and no one makes AV software detect/remove it.

    18. Re:HIV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We (White hats) analyze traffic trends and would notice any odd activity.

      Um, the OP was talking about a virus with "no symptoms". I think a noticable amount of unusual network activity would indeed be a "symptom".

      Again, if is slow-moving and does not draw attention to itself, you'll never know it's there until it's too late.

    19. Re:HIV by Nintendork · · Score: 1
      As I said in another response, the network traffic would give it away. Read that other post for details.

      -Lucas

    20. Re:HIV by Nintendork · · Score: 1
      How exactly do you think viruses/worms spread?

      -Lucas

    21. Re: HIV by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > Make that random parts of the system, and random *.doc files (and a few other extensions). Nobody would *dare* get rid of it. A bad system file can be replaced, but a bad doc file can be very bad.

      > It might teach people about hierarchcical backups, but I doubt it.

      Just flip a random bit on the hard drive once per day or so. It could be weeks before it was noticed, and even then it might be interpreted as "another strange Windows bug" rather than "another virus". By the time people figured out what the problem was, it would be impossible to repair the damage, unless they had been running under a very disciplined backup plan.

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    22. Re: HIV by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > How exactly do you think viruses/worms spread?

      Most internet-based viruses/worms grow at an (attempted) exponential rate, and are thus easy to spot in terms of traffic patterns. If someone designed a virus to propagate at a constant rate, the traffic would be lost in the noise of ordinary use.

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    23. Re: HIV by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > > A computer virus could wait several weeks before it nuked the hard drive.

      > A virus/worm that did this wouldn't make as big of a splash when the payload executes. Anti-virus companies would have updated virus defs out there within a day or two of distribution and a lot of people would become disinfected before the symptoms kicked in. Plus, the more damaging the payload, the wider the news will reach and people without anti-virus software would use free removal tools.

      Yeah, and the Worm of the Week Club shows how many thousands or millions of people aren't using/updating their A-V software. I think some of these infections that are bad enough to hit the evening news are still to be found in the wild at a background level months after they hit the news.

      A low-profile virus could spread very widely before launching its payload. It's just a matter of time before we see something like that.

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    24. Re:HIV by Tokerat · · Score: 1


      How does the virus both encrypt and un-encrypt data on the hard drive?

      This virus would encrypt physical media while it's in use and then add a hook to the i/o system to decrypt as the machine acesses the sectors, whilst not actually touching the disk (i.e. leaving the disk itself transparently encrypted). Then, if ani-virus software removes the virus, the disk is trashed, because they computer will read the encrypted sectors as normal data and get scrambled crap.

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    25. Re:HIV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Hey, that's a great idea to search for on Google!

      Willow is my dream girl!

    26. Re:HIV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wouldnt a virus that is based in small parts be the best. Actually have it delivered through cookies, where most people dont change default settings allows it to put the first files needed to collect the other cookies, and have it deliverd by putting it on a widely used server like google. where it would slowly and inconspicuously form. And since windows likes to store cookies even when you try to get rid of them the people who do mess with their cookies settings are still infected. so really it would still take place when i think of it. But anyways, eventually it would collect and activate and in its activation(which would be on a syncronized date) would go about infection non infected systems while it slowly messes up peoples pcs, and servers. It would be completely under the radar and compact. You really wouldnt even need it to infect other peoples pcs other than the ones infected with the tainted cookies really think about how many people access google then how many servers read those cookies and collect them...

    27. Re:HIV by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      you have major flaws in your statement...

      #1 virus scanner companies are not magical. they dont know instantly about a virus. Unless they wrote that one themselves... (Yes, This does look plausable more and more each day)

      #2 there is no instant payload gague.. you have to reverse engineer the virus to get that. viruses lately are horribly amateur, give me a real virus written in assembly that is super tiny and insanely fast. and if you make it smart enough to change it's name on EVERY instance... I.E. pick a file in \winnt and use that name in the C:\ path or hide elsewhere under the \winnt branch.

      if someone was interested in writing a truely evil virus it could be done and with the swiss cheese that is Windows done easily and have devastating results... and mccaffe and the others will be sitting there going ..."what happened?"

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    28. Re:HIV by Nintendork · · Score: 1
      1) As I said in response to someone else, the network traffic generated by a worm is a dead giveaway to its existence.

      2) As I said in response to someone else, the worm would be captured with a honeypot, then disassembled.

      What makes you such an expert to say that Windows NT/2000/XP/2003 is swiss cheese? Have you gone over the source code? Do you realize how many exploits are found in open source software?

      -Lucas

    29. Re: HIV by Nintendork · · Score: 1
      Traffic to a given port doesn't have to be excessive to get noticed. Like I said, any odd traffic would be noticed.

      -Lucas

    30. Re:HIV by the_womble · · Score: 1

      What if the payload did its damage immediately, but it was subtle? For example, making small random alterations to numbers in Excel spreadsheets may not be immediately noticed, but could be potentially hugely damaging (lots of money depends on spreadsheet models in investment banks for example). If it takes some time to be noticed, unoing the damage would be a LOT of work.

    31. Re:HIV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " Another approach is to have a long incubation period, like HIV. It slowly multiplies over a long period of time before causing symptoms."

      Actually, a few years ago in Time magzine, there was an article about a scientist who had been doing AIDS research (I think he was their "Man of the Year" that year), and discovered that the virus does not have an incubation period at all. Once you're infected, the virus starts madly reproducing. Within a few days, you've got billions upon billions upon billions of copies of the virus hacking away at your immune system.

      To me this means that the most amazing thing about AIDS is how long the human body is capable of compensating against something that destructive.

    32. Re: HIV by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 1

      I got 30 copies of Swen before going home last night, and at that point it wasn't yet included in the Norton virus definitions (yes, I did manually update to check).

  96. Re:Why funny????? by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 1

    Is there anyone here on /.(which includes a 90% of the audience of such article anyway, let's face it...) who didn't patched all Win PC's(if any;oPPP) on the first notice of the exploit a week ago????

    Wasn't the DoS version of the exploit published in July?

  97. Re:MS Security bulletin? What about... by suss · · Score: 1

    Using the search function is hard, isn't it?

    Sendmail Vulnerability and SSH Exploit

    And to think you actually got modded up...

  98. from microsoft.com by name773 · · Score: 0, Funny

    The protocol itself is derived from the Open Software Foundation (OSF) RPC protocol, but with the addition of some Microsoft specific extensions. i.e. vulnerabilities

  99. Microsoft's Advice by digime · · Score: 5, Funny

    From Microsoft:

    Note Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition (SE), and Windows 95 also are not affected by this issue. However, these products are no longer supported. Users of these products are strongly encouraged to upgrade to later versions.

    WTF? How this translates to me - "If your computer is immune from these new strains of virii you are strongly encouraged to make it vulnerable."

    1. Re:Microsoft's Advice by frkiii · · Score: 2, Funny

      Marketoid advice:

      "How can we spin this to get people to upgrade to XP and other OSes?"

      Of course they would encourage users to upgrade to later versions of their own OSes!

      Can't have all these people out there with >= Windows 98 SE, when we have "big" plans for them (i.e. remote disabling of applications, deleting of files, etc.).

      Regards,

      Fredrick

    2. Re:Microsoft's Advice by domsol · · Score: 1

      How this translates to me - "If your computer is immune from these new strains of virii you are strongly encouraged to make it vulnerable.

      I wonder how Microsoft feels about folk like me, who went to OSX boxen instead....

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    3. Re:Microsoft's Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you have Win ME, you may want to upgrade to at least DOS 5.1.

    4. Re:Microsoft's Advice by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      "If your computer is immune from these new strains of virii you are strongly encouraged to make it vulnerable."

      What else were you expecting?
      Just try deleting or renaming wscript.exe on ME, 2000, or XP.
      You can remove the vulnerability, but Microsoft keeps putting it back.

      Problems with executables in emails. Outlook will decide you can't have any and that you can't save them anywhere. It's Outlook's choice, not your choice.

    5. Re:Microsoft's Advice by Keeper · · Score: 1

      No; rather, they don't do anything with the old versions of windows anymore. This means they generally don't check the unsupported systems for flaws, let alone fix them. If you've got a problem, you're on your own -- hence the encouragement to upgrade (well, one of the reasons anyway).

      In other words, better the devel you know than the devil you don't.

      Though, I don't think using older versions of windows is a big deal -- mainly because they aren't heavily used and very few exploits target them (and I can pretty much guarantee you that it isn't because Win9x is more secure than NT)...

    6. Re:Microsoft's Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about *replacing* wscript.exe with a similar infunctional .exe file (you could probably do a move whatever.doc wscript.exe)

      -

  100. Re:Why funny????? by pVoid · · Score: 1
    Amen,

    reading this article gave me an initial knee-jerk reaction of checking it out...

    Read the next paragraph a-la Monty Python skit:

    But all the clues pointed that in fact, there was no hole on my computer. The announcement on Microsoft site said the flaw had been disclosed on the 10th. The "support" bullet said: a patch will be made available within 24 hours... and my windows update didn't warn me of anything.

    So I took out my handy "psinfo -h" and found the following atrocity:

    OS Hot Fix Installed
    ...
    KB824146 9/10/2003
    ...

    A full 8 days ago.

    For those who couldn't figure out the skit, it's the Ralph Melish skit where absolutely nothing happens.

  101. Re:Niyaaaa..... by botzi · · Score: 1

    I was refering to this one. Does your question means that the answer to my question is No!!!!????;o))

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  102. Received 5 messages with payloads in last 2 hours. by frkiii · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have patch, firewall, etc. here at my company.

    In the last 2 hours, I have received five messages all noting that my "message was underliverable" or similar wording.

    No "attachment" (use Netscape 4.7x here at work for e-mail handling). But, a look at the source showed the payloads.

    One was a ".bat" file, others were randomly named ".exe" files.

    In analyzing the headers, most (three of five) appear to have originated from a "Comcast" server.

    The time stamp on the messages of the messages ranged from 19:30 GMT to 16:30 GMT -4.

    Something is spewing on the net.

    Regards,

    Fredrick

  103. Mod the windows hugger down by Silvers · · Score: 1

    How is a closed source binary update, AT ALL comparable to a 1 page diff of two source files?

    I can patch, rebuild, test, install, and then take down sshd for approximately 5 seconds while it restarts.

    Quite the disruption of service.

  104. PS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    N: But for the lack of any untoward circumstances for this young secretary to notice, and the total non-involvement of Mr. Gates in anything illegal. The full weight of the law would have ensured that Bill Gates would have ended up like all who challenge the fundemental laws of our society: in an iron coffin with spikes on the inside.

  105. Enough already! by mechugena · · Score: 1

    This is the same fucking story that's been going around since the bulletin was released 8 DAYS AGO!!! Why is this now news on /. ??

  106. wrong title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    s/New/Yet another/

  107. Re:MS Security bulletin? What about... by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

    A lot it would seem...

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  108. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by rodgerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Other way around, son. US business is so hopelessly dependent on cheap Chinese labour and just in time manufacturing that there'd be chaos if China was embargoed.

  109. the anticipation is killing me by wardk · · Score: 1

    Gosh it's been ages since we were entertained by the last one(s).

    Certainly the big question has to be, can this blockbuster even compare to previous ones? what does Ebert have to say in his review? Should I plan on waiting in line for this one, or is it a renter?

  110. Swen/Gibe.F Worm by molo · · Score: 1

    This is likely the Swen/Gibe.F worm. More info at news.com.

    An interesting thing about this work is that it hits a web counter on each infection! Its currently at 913,000 at 2:45 PDT (GMT-7).

    Also, this exploits an OLD IE hole. This is not a new bug.. but I guess not many people are patched?

    -molo

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  111. Re:MS Security bulletin? What about... by verbatim_verbose · · Score: 1

    Ssh. Don't post those links! We spent a lot of time building the open source = secure argument for a long time, don't shoot it down now. They can't know. Come on, man!

  112. Re:MS Security bulletin? What about... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    Probably missing an update if your waiting for slashdot to post about every update. (try security focus)

    But, they did post about sendmail and openssh vulnerabilities. The greatest thing about those is that they aren't part of your base system, you can shut them off and operate fine. (or even replace them with alternatives, and vice versa)

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  113. They could have at least given links to the fix by Stonent1 · · Score: 1

    http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

    This has all the information you need to protect from the current worms and FUTURE ones.

  114. Re:Why funny????? by HiThere · · Score: 1

    I didn't, but then my win95 machine isn't on the internet anyway. Not even behind a firewall.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  115. Patches? Reboot by phorm · · Score: 1

    Do a lot of these patches require rebooting in order to be effective? I remember the days when MS machines, even servers, required a reboot to make major changes effective. Kinda kills your uptime, must kill and operation that depends on being up too.

    Of course, this seems to be another RPC bug. I don't think most people use RPC, so turning off the RPC service - or at least setting it to manual instead of automatic - would at least keep you safe for awhile, correct?

    1. Re:Patches? Reboot by frkiii · · Score: 1

      I do know that Win2K, WinNT, Win98SE and Win98 require re-boot after patch.

      No way around it for patch to become "effective", that I am aware of.

      Not sure if it has to do with registry registration or something of that nature for sure.

      Regards,

      Fredrick

    2. Re:Patches? Reboot by phorm · · Score: 1

      I think it is more than the windows OS/kernel is a bit tight on some things, and you cannot stop a running DLL/core-process in order to update it as you can in linux. Not entirely sure though, as of course much of the windows spec is closed.

    3. Re:Patches? Reboot by Keeper · · Score: 1

      You can't really disable RPC (COM uses the RPC service, and lots of windows apps use COM), but you can disable DCOM -- which is where the vulnerability lies. And it should be pretty safe to do so, as most normal people don't use DCOM.

  116. Microsoft Worm by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Typical. Pre-announcing vaporware just to hurt competitors' sales.

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    As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
  117. Re:New slashdot pattern: 3 articles per MS Virus/B by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


    > So now there will be:

    > A pre-worm article

    > A current worm article

    > And a post-worm article?

    What we need is a self-propagating article.

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    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  118. proof of exploit code! by spacemky · · Score: 1

    I have written proof-of-exploit code! Here it is! Use this with extreme caution!

    net send %computername% "You are screwed! Upgrade to Linux."

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    640YB ought to be enough for anybody.
    1. Re:proof of exploit code! by spacemky · · Score: 1

      This exploit also works great on your co-worker's windows computers. Just replace %computername% with their IP address or computer name.

      --
      640YB ought to be enough for anybody.
  119. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by Tony-A · · Score: 1

    but it has to be malware of some sort that just hasn't been cataloged yet.

    That is how you protect today from tomorrow's malware.
    Antivirus software is good at protecting from yesterday's malware.
    Somehow I don't quite trust tomorrow's malware to be as kind as yesterday's.

  120. Funny, funny comment from the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He said new approaches using artificial intelligence to spot threats and improvements in the way that software is written are slowly helping to reduce the number of virus outbreaks.

    1. The tools to scan cource code for the most common buffer overrun problems has been in existence for at least 3 years (STFW - you'll find papaers on them).
    2. The tools also exist to keep buffer overflow problems that escape detection from being used to compromise systems (again, STFW).
    3. After the last buffer overflow fiasco (MSBlaster), a similar buffer overflow problem was found, BUT NOT BY MICROSOFT. They couldn't be bothered to look for any more (see Microsoft's own security bulletin on this)! I assume this is the vulnerability the article is talking about hackers exploiting.

    All these new tools are only effective if you have a desire and the will to use them. Microsoft obviously does not! I guess they have more important things to do like funding SCO's attack on Linux!

  121. Re: MS Security bulletin? What about... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


    > Dammit! There I go thinking ZDNet would actually have breaking news. I really should know better. My bad. I withdraw my question and submit myself to the floggings to come forthwith.

    Since you have a Slashdot account, we'll assume you'll be flogging yourself.

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    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  122. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by 4of12 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    constantly improving

    Over the long haul, yes.

    But there were some points of tension when the U.S. cruddy intelligence led to the mistaken bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, and when a U.S. spyplane flying off the coast made an emergency landing on a Chinese island.

    Meanwhile, the government there is learning that it can divert attention from inconvenient issues (like corruption between the military and industry, lack of an open democratic process) by exploiting nationalistic sentiment (We vs They).

    This is in the same grand tradition that is done in the United States and in Russia, so the rest of the world can feel safe knowing that all 3 of the largest nuclear superpowers are populated by emotional peasants.

    --
    "Provided by the management for your protection."
  123. BBC computer news.. by bob670 · · Score: 1

    on the cutting edge of 1997. Hackers are distributing exploits across the Internet to take advantage of a highly publicized MS vulnerability? Who passed them this information, Homeland Security?

  124. TGI.... by ZeroVerteX · · Score: 0, Troll

    Use Linux on a Mac... far away from any silly virus. Too bad I have to work on Windows PC's all day, so I'll have to deal with ID=10T people that click "Canel" when the Auto Update windows comes up to patch their crappy OS. Just ranting.

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    If it can go wrong it wnetscape: Segmentation Fault, Core dumped
  125. Straight from recent history... by oGMo · · Score: 1
    To be honest, I hope it just trashes boot sectors before writing random crap all over the hard drive. That might actually get the message through. All these soft viruses just make people think of it as an inconvenience. When something bad happens, people might just start sitting up and taking notice.

    As much as the desire for morbid entertainment in me would like to see this cause some uproar for a week or two, I honestly don't think it will solve anything. Simple history.

    Years before 2001/09/11, I heard a number of people say "it'll take some major act of terrorism/violent uprising/etc. to wake them up and change things." I'm sure many of you have heard the same. Well, it happened. It woke people up. And it changed things, too. The problem is those changes weren't good ones.

    As others have posted, imagine for instance a worm that slightly altered documents, here and there. A small number, a misspelling, nothing that'd catch notice for awhile. Many places only keep a week or two of backups. Imagine knowing all the documentation you own might be compromised, and you had no recourse.

    I can only imagine the laws that would get passed if such a worm got a foothold and wreaked its havoc. And that is not funny or entertaining.

    --

    Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage

  126. Coming soon... from Microsoft? by ENOENT · · Score: 1

    It's probably just vaporware.

    --
    That's "Mr. Soulless Automaton" to you, Bub.
  127. I Want Streaming Commentary... by HopeOS · · Score: 1

    Blaster at that router...

    Blaster at the firewall...

    Blaster grappling with the firewall... there seems to be a misconfiguration somewhere... And *BAM*, Blaster slips right through to take an unpatched webserver... hate to be the admin for that box...

    Blaster looking around for more targets... seems confused by the DMZ... looking... looking... and he's *IN THERE*... slips through a stale RPC connection to a developer box...

    Making quick work of development...

    over to Q&A...

    back to management and sales...

    And score! Laptops in sales. Those will be handy on Monday when they're at client sites...

    Back to the webserver... saturating that connection... just punishing that connection. How much pain can this ISP take!?

    ::COMMERCIAL BREAK::

    This program brought to you by Microsoft. When you think Security, don't laugh, say "Trustworthy Computing" three times and tap your shoes together like *this*. And Norton Antivirus. We can't protect you, but at least you'll feel like you've done *something*.

    -Hope

  128. Did anyone else notice ... by Combuchan · · Score: 1

    that the frustrated woman in the article is likely using an Apple IIgs?

    Wow, if that apple IIgs can run WindowsXP, I shouldn't have given mine away!

    Nutty stock photography.

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    "[T]he single essential element on which all discoveries will be dependent is human freedom." -- Barry Goldwater
  129. Taquila! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Taquila!

  130. just checked windows update... by herrvinny · · Score: 1

    Just checked windows update... it says it didn't find anything to fix... something wrong here? Keep in mind I haven't Updated for two weeks or so.

  131. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by Satan's+Librarian · · Score: 1
    I can confirm the Win32\Swen.A spreading which would fit the bill. Apparently it's already become widespread in HR departments. I sent out a resume three weeks ago from a fairly virgin email account - two weeks ago, I was bombarded with SoBig.F as a result. That seems to have subsided. This morning, the Win32\Swen.A bombardment began..... On the bright side, at least I know there's still a huge need for competent IT out there, even if that's not what I want to be doing...

    Hell, at least all the stuff hitting my spam filter isn't talking about "Your Application" anymore.... That sucked.

  132. Re:Why funny????? by r00zky · · Score: 1

    *raises hand*
    me. I never patch Win.
    Nor would i let that crap connect to internet.

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    I'm a chainsmokin' alcoholic sociopath, so-ci-o-path
  133. So the best thing you can do... by Pvt_Waldo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...is not spend your tmie ranting about how evil MS is or how bad or what not.

    Spend your time and energy making sure everyone patches. This is so simple to beat. Just patch.

    1. Re:So the best thing you can do... by KH · · Score: 1

      Or, spend your time and energy (and money?) to upgrade to something else than Windows and stop worrying about patches?

      What's the point of using Windows anyway? What Windows can do that other OSes cannot? I can't think of anything but worrying users about the latest worms/trajan horses/viruses and playing games.

      To me, having Windows machine makes sense only if I want to play games...

      In this age of internet when computers are connected in one way or another, I don't think Windows by itself is the source of the problem. Rather, the problems seems to be the lack of diversity of OSes. The biological analogy seems to work here, as well. When a species have little genetic diversity, it is more likely to be wiped out by one epidemic...

  134. me too by theolein · · Score: 1

    Got around 5 of these in the last hour. I am luckily on a Mac, so I'm not worried about the Virus, but I tried to mail a couple of the senders to tell them about their comps and their mail quotas were already full...

  135. Microsoft's incentive to upgrade! by radd0 · · Score: 1
    I really like the message Microsoft drives home in Security Bulletin MS03-039 listing the Products Not Affected by This Update:
    Windows Millennium (Windows Me)
    Note Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition (SE), and Windows 95 also are not affected by this issue. However, these products are no longer supported. Users of these products are strongly encouraged to upgrade to later versions.
    Talk about incentive to upgrade!

    -r
  136. Change random digits in spreadsheets. by Population · · Score: 1

    Don't erase drives or delete files or anything else. Corrupt the data in small ways. You could also alter Access database files. Changing a few numbers or letters. Make it so people will no longer be able to trust the data. If done correctly, people will lose days or weeks of work because the infection wasn't noticed.

    So far, no virus has really gone after the data. They've deleted files but those are easy to recover from backup. They've crashed machines, but that just makes a bit of work for the techs to get to your machine with the anti-virus disk.

  137. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by Maserati · · Score: 1

    Always put HR departments in the DMZ. We used to screen applicant into the "Possible" and "Sent us a virus" piles. IT Manager applications tended to end up in the "Virus" pile until some SOB faxed his in. Sadly, that's the guy they hired. At another gig, where HR really was in the DMZ, we didn't care that she'd gotten a virus, we just watched the running totals of how many. Dozens a week during the dotcom boom.

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    Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1992-1951
  138. No wonder they outsource IT development to India by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just happen to have a TRS-80 Level II Basic program in front of me:

    10 Data "China", "yes", "yes", "Iraq", "yes", "no"
    20 Read Country$, Bad$, Nuke$
    30 If Bad$ = "yes" then Print "We must deal with "; Country$
    40 If Bad$ = "yes" and Nuke$ = "no" then Print "Invade Evil "; Country$; "!!!"
    50 If Bad$ = "yes" and Nuke$ = "yes" then Print "We will constructively engage "; Country$; " with trade."
    60 GOTO 20
    Seems this code was developed by one of these $100+ per hour consultants out there... ever wondered what will happen when there's no more data in the array?
  139. Re:Received 5 messages with payloads in last 2 hou by moncyb · · Score: 1

    Interesting...I received a similar email, except it's from a midspring dialup customer (or so the Recevied: line says), then it passed through an Earthlink server (this one must be correct because it's the one my ISP's mail server put on). The content-type says audio/x-wav, but the file is really an exe--both by the extension and the data header.

    I assumed this was an old virus. You think it's new?

  140. If computers were just like pets.... by bigkahunafish · · Score: 1

    If M$ w1Nd0ws was like my cat, all i would have to do is go to the vet, get some wormer, wrap it in some bacon and poof-->worms would be gone. Mmmmmmm....bacon....(drools)

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    Eat a Chicken, You know you want to.
  141. New Microsoft Worm Coming Soon? by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 1

    Looking at the title, I think to myself that asking that question is kind of like asking if a new sunrise is coming soon.

    wbs.

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    Huh?
  142. One paper to bind them all... by daveaitel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That exploit was written closely based on my papers at http://www.immunitysec.com/papers/

    Dave Aitel
    Immunity, Inc.

  143. Re:New slashdot pattern: 3 articles per MS Virus/B by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    dude, you're soooo out of times.

    it's already at least 3*3+dupes(that the paying customers can get to report hopefully in time, which reminds me 1. don't subscribe 2. don't see dupes 3. profit!!(?)).

    besides.. where do you except karmawhores could get easy copy'n'paste karma if there weren't any dupeish articles?? invent them themselfs??? NO NEVER

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    world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
  144. Re:OT: Yet another typo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Nice grammer. Idiot.
    You mean "grammAr", right? Thought so. Thanks for playing; pick up your Slashdot editor badge at the door.
  145. w95 and w98 by stef49 · · Score: 1

    Did you notice this in the page: 'Note: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition (SE), and Windows 95 also are not affected by this issue. However, these products are no longer supported. Users of these products are strongly encouraged to upgrade to later versions.'

    Without upgrading you wont get the latest worm.
    pity :-)

  146. Already getting emails for 3 days by dodell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've already been getting emails for 3 days with crap from 'Microsoft' and people sending me the patches in .exe form... like I'd trust that.

    But thankfully, I run FreeBSD and don't have to deal with that crap. Just the email overflow :P.

    1. Re:Already getting emails for 3 days by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      Me too. I made the mistake of sending a post to a mailing list without realising that my email address would be published - damn! and I had that e-mail spam free for so long... I wonder if anyone has debugged those those exe's to see what they do

    2. Re:Already getting emails for 3 days by pointbeing · · Score: 1
      :)

      Microsoft doesn't send security patches as email attachments - not ever.

      It does yank my chain a bit that the lastest couple of worms apparently were created using information from MS security bulletins. They try to patch a vulnerability and somebody writes a worm to attack all the unpatched machines.

      Damned if you do and damned if you don't, I guess.

      --
      we see things not as as they are, but as we are.
      -- anais nin
  147. BBC Clipart by Snover · · Score: 1

    Anyone else notice that the computer in the clipart that the BBC used is an old Apple computer? "Um, oops?"

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    [insert witty comment here]
  148. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by dwillden · · Score: 2, Funny
    China exports so much to the US that they'd fall over backwards and cry if the US put on a trade embargo. No shots need to be fired.
    Amen to that, Try to find a US Flag that doesn't say Made in China. Particularly the small novelty sized ones.
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    I'm too lazy to compose a creative sig.
  149. If your security comes from obscurity... by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 1

    if your security (such as it is) comes from obscurity, and you then give up the obscurity, where does that leave you?

    With soiled drawers.

    Seriously - Windows should be withdrawn from DOD consideration. For anything.

  150. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NAI? What a lovely acronym.

    In Japanese, "nai" means roughly "there is not", as in "protection ga nai."

    Or, I suppose "virus ga nai" kedo sore wa okashiku nai.

  151. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by emurphy42 · · Score: 1
    I've gotten dozens over the past several hours as well. Not that they'll infect me (I run Linux - and I refuse to install Wine for exactly this reason - and Samba is sandboxed), but they risk exceeding my e-mail quota if I don't clear the damn things every few hours. That is pissing me off.

    I'm still using my ISP's mailbox (I'm concerned about losing e-mail while doing hardware updates) but I may reconsider if this keeps up.

    Here are some filter rules that catch pretty much the entire new wave of crap:

    From: contains "Microsoft"
    Body contains "Cumulative Patch"
    Body contains "Undeliverable to"
    Body contains "Undeliverable mail to"
    Body contains "Undeliverable message to"
    Body contains "Undelivered to"
    Body contains "Undelivered mail to"
    Body contains "Undelivered message to"

  152. MailFilter deny body .*\nContent-ID:.* by achurch · · Score: 1

    I woke up this morning (JST) to a couple dozen of these in my mailbox. I added a filter line for any messages containing a "Content-ID:" line, which seems to catch them (and as an added bonus ought to take out most other viruses too). Does anyone know of any mail clients that add Content-ID headers on legitimate attachments?

  153. Re:OT: Yet another typo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pay attention so that you don't important words out of a sentence!

  154. Re:MS Security bulletin? What about... by shird · · Score: 1

    I think what he meant was - why is there a worm due for Microsoft Windows because of a recent exploit, but there isn't one due to Linux despite 2 recent exploits?....

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    I.O.U One Sig.
  155. Not too worried by rikkards · · Score: 1

    We released the patch on our network and as of last checking had applied the patch to over 29000 workstations

  156. I'm glad Slashdot covered this... by NanoGator · · Score: 1

    I went to go update our machines today, and I used the scan tool that somebody found and linked to in this discussion. Found a machine that was infected with Welchia, which is related to Blaster. We thought we had gone through all of the machines, but there was one on the rack that we missed. Oops. It's fixed and patched now.

    I just hope Slashdot isn't ignoring the Linux patches that need to be done for fear it'd make a negative impression on those interested in switching to Linux. We've got a few Linux machines and a reminder that they need to be kept up to date is invaluable.

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    "Derp de derp."
  157. Article headline by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

    The article is a somewhat general topic piece on worms in general.

    Then why is the headline "New Microsoft Worm Coming Soon?"

    Wait, we all know why.

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    "Sufferin' succotash."
  158. Theatrical debut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't wait for the trailer to this movie.

    Better than any Freddy vs Jason movie.

  159. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by isorox · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and its a right bugger at 300k/message. Over a 600k cable modem its annoying, but imagine the pain when people on dialups find 100 in their inbox.

    No nigerian scam messages for me, but I did get a South African one. Spam assassin doesnt recognise them, but does flag MICROSOFT_EXECUTABLE. Shame kmail doesnt allow delete from server on its filters.

  160. Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    New Microsoft Worm Coming Soon?

    Yes. I am looking forward to greeting my new worm overloards and/or can you images a cluter of worms and/or In Soviet Russia, the new Microsoft Worm welcomes you!

    Whew!

  161. Closed source security by Shulai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I want to note that all NT based Windows versions, at least since 4.0 are vulnerable. This means, this hole was sleeping from years, it could exist since late 1995 or earlier, if it wasn't introduced into NT4 in a SP. This means, also, people had a giant security issue along seven years, waiting for somebody to exploit it. I'm not sure how open source software can be affected in similar ways (anybody remember any case out there?), but I feel better thinking that open source allows a faster cycle for bug and vulnerability depuration.

    1. Re:Closed source security by Keeper · · Score: 1

      I believe there was an SSL vulnerability that someone was posting about that had existed for roughly 7 years... I don't recall the details, though I'm sure you can find them if you're really curious.

    2. Re:Closed source security by tgt · · Score: 1

      How about this (FreeBSD-SA-01:49):

      Topic: telnetd contains remote buffer overflow
      Announced: 2001-07-23
      Affects: All releases of FreeBSD 3.x, 4.x prior to 4.4, FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE prior to the correction date
      FreeBSD only: NO

      Looks like all BSD systems were extremely vulnerable since at least 1998. IMHO, three years don't make much difference from seven.

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      I like my outfit, it's inexpensive, but cool -- April Ryan
  162. A start? by Akoma+The+Immortal · · Score: 1

    I just receive to email supposely from Microsoft, with the patch52.exe as an attachement. The HTML email was designed like a microsoft support web page, but poorly. I deleted the two suspicious email. I should have kept them for historical reference.

    Lukely for me I was running mozilla mail, not outlook. If I were, the attached executable would have been run and voila!! I hope people wont fall for those 2 emails. Who am I kidding..

    Well back to code.

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    assert(expired(knowldege)); core dump
  163. Saying "New Microsoft Worm Coming Soon?" is like ~ by CognitiveFusion · · Score: 1

    ~ Saying the sun will rise in the morning. Stunning, isn't it?

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    Fools ignore complexity; pragmatists suffer it; experts avoid it; geniuses remove it. ~A. Perlis
  164. True to form....vaporware viruses by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1
    Way to take a page from the MS playbook, now their pre-announcing viruses. This means we should see it sometime it 2005, the key disk hosing features will be broken, but a service pack to add that functionality will be released 6-9 months later. This is an anti-competitive action I say! These people are going to saturate the market for REAL viruses by keeping people from downloading products from the other hardworking virus writers.

    oh, wait this is cracker software, not MS...guess we'll be seeing it real-soon-now! But is it Open Source...Should /. boycot this product?

  165. You ain't seen nothing yet by ralphus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The current array of worms making the rounds on the Internet are pretty fundamentally simple worms and not much more than teenagers throwing eggs at the wall on a large scale. Blaster was crashing systems because of it's sloppy coding, it wasn't even doing damage other than eating up resources and planning on attacking MS (which it stupidly did based on DNS entry and then even the WRONG ONE).

    Worms today all have limited vision in what they can do and a greedy philosophy which results in limiting their possible damage.

    I'm one of the good guys, but I can certainly see the potential that an evil genius can do. Please read these two papers and get a idea of what is possibly coming.

    Warhol Worms

    Curious Yellow

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    Revolutions are never about freedom or justice. They're about who's going to be top dog. -- Kilgore Trout
  166. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by Satan's+Librarian · · Score: 1
    Yeah, I'm surprised how many people still require Word format for resumes...

    I've thought about embedding code demos in my resume before when scouting for contracts (going full screen 3D or something when they opened it), but figured if the person who opened it was actually a competent programmer s/he'd just be annoyed. Aside from that, can't think of a single reason not to ask for resumes in .rtf, .PDF, or *something* without executeable code in it.

    You're right though - any company that executes random .doc files on the inside of their firewalls when the source is a total unknown is insane.

  167. The picture is great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just love how the caption of the picture is "The MSBlast worm hit some users hard", yet the computer in the picture is an Apple IIgs. I had no idea how far reaching this worm was...

  168. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
    Yeah, and its a right bugger at 300k/message. Over a 600k cable modem its annoying, but imagine the pain when people on dialups find 100 in their inbox.

    Over the course of maybe two hours, I received 169 of them here. I figured out how to extract the first IP address from the last Received: header line (between this and some other stuff, I've learned a lot about sed and regular expressions lately), so I can say that 76 infected hosts were responsible for those messages. What I'd now like to know is if anybody knows of a way to filter mail from these addresses within qmail. Setting up a local blackhole list and using rbldns to use it won't work, since many of these messages are going through an ISP's outbound relay before they're passed on to my server. The IP address I want to filter only shows up in the header, so it's a case where you'd need to start receiving the message but cut it off if any expression from a list is matched. This would reduce bandwidth usage (169 copies of this damn virus equals 25 MB), if it's possible.

    (I could set up procmail to send these messages to /dev/null, but that means they're still being received in their entirety. Something that cuts off the remote host as the message is being received is what's wanted.)

    Finally, to whom at Microsoft do I send the bill for the wasted bandwidth that their software is costing me? While it is true that they patched it long ago, a strong case could be made that the hole shouldn't have been in publically-released software in the first place.

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    20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
  169. Hackers vs Virii makers by dkode · · Score: 1

    I wish articles like this one would stop referring to virii makers as "malicious hackers". I guess the sheep are too confused as it is, might as well not add fuel to the fire

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    Those who trade in their freedom for security, deserve neither.
  170. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by isorox · · Score: 1

    I rarely get worms - I had no lovebug and only one sircam (a spanish one). I've had 12 in the last couple of hours though.

    As for where to send the bill, you could argue to send it to Microsoft (If ford released a car that suddenly exploded you'd sue them wouldnt you?), or you could argue you sue the people that got infected. Of course, if they have the right to send you an email you cant really sue them.

    It's tricky.

  171. They sure are milking this one... by TyrranzzX · · Score: 1

    It's entertaining to watch news sites run around about possible outbreaks of viruses. It's akin to the stories of asteroids "Oh my GOD!!! AN ASTEROID IS GOING TO KILL US ALL IN 2011", same as OH MY GOD!!! A VIRUS IS GOING TO DELETE ALL MY PORN, FINANCIAL RECORDS, MUSIC, VIDEO, AND WRITING IN A FEW MONTHS!!!"

    1 hacker got angry and made a virus that infected users machines, for fucks sake, it didn't even delete anything, it just showed people they were insecure and now the media is trying to stirr up paranoia. Ignore this bullshit and secure your boxes, and for those of you who have too much time on your hands, help those too stupid to help themselves?

  172. Three times is not enough. by twitter · · Score: 1
    Essentially three times the FUD, bashing, turfing, and... well, slashdot.

    Let's see. Where I work, I get to see about six M$ infested computers a day comming in for wipe and reload. As many of these people are using XP with "patches" and all that, I'm under the impression that all of the M$ band-aids are perfectly useless workarounds for intentionally flawed OS design. These people lose all of their stuff, email, photos, settings, everything that makes computers usefull, and $75. I'd like to write a post for every one of those people that Microsoft lets down, but I'll settle for one or two a day.

    --

    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  173. Yeah. by twitter · · Score: 1
    And then they say Windows Me is not affected, not is 98, or 95, but you should upgrade to the newest versions.

    You have to wonder how many security flaws they introduced with their supposed "patches".

    An objective person looking a the list would simply conclude that Microsft has always been and will always be garbage. The fact that all M$ OS have flaws should not make people want to buy the next one.

    --

    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  174. Excuses by tigre222 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    A few observations; 1.We have been applying all relevant patches to NT/2000 servers and desktops quickly after release and for about a year or so now, nothing has gone wrong after. Yeh it's a pain, always require reboots. Big deal. You know how many machines out of 8 servers and 125 desktops have had virus problems?

    Three. One major education institution here (of which IT composes a large part) had their entire network comprimised. The professor (head of the IT Department) was on the radio waffling on about how bad it was but failed to answer why they had not applied patches until six weeks after the MS announcment. Of course, they applied the patches after the outbreak in the Uni. when the panic hit. WTF are they teaching there?

    2.The current announcment from MS was on the 10th of Sept. The BBC article appeared 8 days later (wow, they're on the ball!) and has FUD written all over it. You can just hear the Editor; "Quick! Microsoft announced a vulnerability over a week ago". "Get someone to write something". "People soak up this shit!" 3. I am not a huge fan of MS but, while their security doesn't seem to have improved their notifications/patches have improved, immensely. So good on em!
    --
    Where ever I go, there I am
  175. Am I the only one thinking... by shadowcabbit · · Score: 1

    ..."don't just tell us about the worm, patch the son of a bitch!"

    --
    "Why Subscribe?" Good question...
  176. Re:Wish i had mod points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish I could Meta-Meta-Mod you then. Jokes like this are funny the first fifty times but get just as old as Microsoft worm stories. Funny mod should be reserved for something original that actually makes people laugh. I know I didn't even chuckle at his post just like I don't chuckle at the Soviet Russia posts.

    In Soviet Funny, jokes chuckle you!

  177. I wonder... by dolson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was just thinking... I bet Microsoft is getting people to write these worms that exploit these security holes in Windows a week after the patch is available... It helps dispell the "myth" that Windows is insecure and all that, and nicely places the blame on the sysadmins... "You didn't patch??? Too bad..." You know what I mean? "It's not Microsoft's fault; they had a patch out a week ago." Brilliant. Microsoft++

  178. speaking of "patch" by mabu · · Score: 1

    Just tonight I got an e-mail that was not caught by the antivirus programs. An e-mail that said, "Newest Network Update" and masqueraded as coming from Microsoft and urged users to apply a patch. A quick update of my AV identified the virus as "automat.AHB" but other virus programs are not catching this yet.

    1. Re:speaking of "patch" by Chris+Johnson · · Score: 1

      It's here all right. I'm getting buried under it, my email account is getting flooded to unusability in under 12 hours. 56K modem downloading 6 megs of viruses every 12 hours ain't my idea of fun.

  179. Re: OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


    > But there were some points of tension when the U.S. cruddy intelligence led to the mistaken bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade,

    s/mistaken/purportedly mistaken/

    > Meanwhile, the government there is learning that it can divert attention from inconvenient issues (like corruption between the military and industry, lack of an open democratic process) by exploiting nationalistic sentiment (We vs They).

    Where is "there"?

    --
    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  180. It's in their nature ... by quarkscat · · Score: 0

    the inscrutable Chinese still revere
    Lao Tzu, their greatest general. One
    of his tenets is for an army's force to
    flow like water, towards least resistance.
    What possible icon of Western Capitalism
    can provide less resistance to cyber attacks
    than Microsoft? Especially when Microsoft
    gives them "the keys to the city" in the
    form of their source code?

  181. Yeah.. I bet... by theendlessnow · · Score: 1

    Microsoft is always promising a delivery. Next virus in 30 days.. we'll see. Probably will be late AGAIN!! Granted, they seem to be doing better, but COME ON guys!!

    Don't even get me talking about Linux viruses.

  182. Such bad grammer ... by quarkscat · · Score: 0

    weren't you taught not to use double
    negatives in a sentence, like "Microsoft"
    and "security" ?

    Okay, okay, that might also be considered
    an oxymoron !

  183. YAMSV (or Yet Another Microsoft Vulnerability) by quarkscat · · Score: 0

    hey, you didn't really expect to get a
    perfect software product, did you?
    nobody's perfect, even borg bill ...

    so, quit your complaining and start D/Ling
    the very steamy freshest pile of promised
    security patches from Sweet Old Bill.

    just don't read the new and improved EULA
    quite too carefully ...

  184. Obligatory 2 emails ? by quarkscat · · Score: 0

    I received two emails from Microsoft in rapid
    succession, as well. WTF, I stopped using these
    vulnerable MS apps years ago. And MS wants me
    to chain my computer to their network for
    hours on dialup so I can "now be secure".

    I wrote these clowns a "Dear John" letter,
    instead. Fuck 'em if they can't take the
    joke that is "Microsoft security" ...

  185. Block virus-sending IPs in qmail by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

    I hacked together a couple of shell scripts that work with qmail (with the qmailqueue patch) to check the originating IP of incoming email against a list of infected IPs. Mail from a listed IP is bounced; the rest is let through. If anyone's interested, it's at http://alfter.us/files/qmail-ipblock-0.1.tar.gz.

    --
    20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
  186. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by 00420 · · Score: 0

    That's exactly why the US government won't get involved in the Free Tibet movement.

  187. Treason or perjury? by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This bug came from China, and Microsoft has sent the source code to China ..
    That there is another Microsoft worm this week should come as no surprise. If you recall from the anti-trust trial and the appeal, Jim Allchin pointed out that Microsoft code was so flawed it could not be safely disclosed. It was even claimed that showing the Microsoft source code could damage national security.

    So, was it perjury or treason? You decide.

    Either way it's not a set of ethics that would induce me to resume business with them ... ever.

    --
    Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
  188. Longhorn will be "Virus proof" by edxwelch · · Score: 1

    The next version of Windows will prevent this sort of thing ever happening. Microsoft have found an ingenious new solution. When you try to connect to the network the following message will appear: "Connecting to the network may allow a worm, or virus to exploit one of the many security holes in Windows? Are you sure you want to connect to the Network? " "Yes" "No" This scheme is similar to the one in Outlook when you try to open a mail attachment and has proven very effective, as long as the user doesn't press "Yes".

    1. Re:Longhorn will be "Virus proof" by oshy · · Score: 1

      my old laptop is more virus proof than that.
      No network or modem cards
      no CD drive
      and the floppy drive is broken

      Try getting a virus on that one

  189. It's taken too long to be a problem by brucmack · · Score: 1

    If a new version of Blaster would have been released immediately, it might have caused problems, but it's been too long to do major damage now, at least to business. I'm sure most got their hotfix updates up to scratch when Blaster hit.

    It is odd that there hasn't already been a new strain out though... with it being such a similar flaw. Evidently the Blaster author has had his/her fun already?

  190. Maybe by CaptainZapp · · Score: 1

    Because you don't have a choice ?

    --
    ich bin der musikant

    mit taschenrechner in der hand

    kraftwerk

  191. A new Microsoft worm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't know MS was specifically releasing worms now.

  192. Procmail filter by zeth · · Score: 1

    Here's a quick and dirty procmail filter to get rid of the spam.

    :0 D:
    * SUBJECT:.*
    | /dev/null

    You might want to specify a mail folder instead of '| /dev/null'.

  193. news for nerds???? by zarniwhoop · · Score: 1

    what the crapping hell does this article add to the sum of knowledge on this topic - its not even an interesting read!!! come on taco get it to- gether.

  194. Obligatory.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one welcome our new annelid overlords

  195. Bear found sh*ting in woods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    New MS worm coming soon?

    Read tomorrow's /. for our exclusive discovery that the sun rises in the morning, and diappearing in the evening.

  196. Yet Again? by tequila26er · · Score: 1

    Sheesh! When will they ever learn? If you want security, don't use M$ products.

    I just figured out a way to use the words security and M$ in the same sentence and still be correct.

    Go me!

  197. Took out Hotmail by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1

    Yup, that took out my hotmail account last night. Microsoft includes received viruses/spam in your total, so it bounced any legitimate messages I might have got last night.

  198. Sell it! by KC7GR · · Score: 2, Funny

    AP WIRE(less), 18-Sep-03. Microsoft Corporation president Steve 'Balmy' Ballmer announced today the formation of a new subdivision of the company which will specialize in the production and marketing of exploits for the Windows operating system.

    "All we're doing is catering to existing demand" Ballmer said during a press conference. "People want this stuff as much as they want Windows, and we're the best choice to make the exploits available. After all, we know better than anyone how many bugs are in our own code..."

    The first official release of the Windows Exploit Advantage Kit, or WEAK, is scheduled to take place on December 42nd. When questioned about the date, Mr. Ballmer had this to say; "It's our way of honoring the late Douglas Adams. Even if that weren't enough, it turns out that the number of bugs in Windows, divided by half the number of years before our sun goes nova, equals exactly 42. What could be more appropriate for a release date...?"

    --

    Bruce Lane, KC7GR,

    Blue Feather Technologies

  199. Given the Gibe.F epidemic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's currently swamping my inbox at a rate of well over 1000 msgs/day, or equivalently 15 Megabytes/day of mail, what on earth would anybody have to wait for a *new* worm for? This old-fashioned one's pretty much scary enough already.

  200. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by swb · · Score: 1

    HR departments require Word format because HR is usually the least competant department in the entire organization, full of petty personalities who got their start doing filing and typing.

    Where I've worked, the "good" HR people were usually the spouses of high powered executives, graduates of spendy liberal arts colleges with no specific skills other than good manners and better social connections for whom HR was a hobby occupation between marriage and full-time parenting. Technical skills weren't on the menu.

    "Bad" HR people are petty bureaucrats, veterans of central filing who misbelieve they wield some power over employees and try to exercise it over entry-level job candidates.

    Occasionally there's an HR person who has the brains and aptitude to understand the complexities of the health plan and enough personality and effectiveness to be worthwhile.

    The real career zealots become the contemporary version of slave auctioneers, pimping the unemployed and unemployable in temporary companies on comission.

    When I hired an PFA, I sent a stack of resumes of potential candidates to HR, and as often as not the ones rejected by HR in the initial screening phone interview had resumes at least as good as the ones I was allowed to interview and consider hiring. The HR rejections were explained to me only in terms of personality and "cultural fit", never in terms of job experience, skills or knowledge. They may have been right some of the time, but I think it would have been better to have the personality screening done AFTER I filtered them in person based on my skills and experience based interviews.

  201. There is something going around by cout · · Score: 1

    ... or perhaps multiple things going around. I've received at least 100 emails in the last 12 hours that got past spamassassin.

    One program appears to be a 140K executable disguised as a Microsoft update. This one is Swen (aka Gibe.F):
    http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/338121/2003 -09-16/2003-09-22/0
    http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/swen.shtml
    http://news.com.com/2100-7349_3-5078696.html
    http://www.us.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32gib ef.html
    http://www.topnic.com/virus_warnings.shtml

    The other appears to be much smaller at about 0.1K and shows up as mail returned to sender. I have not been able to find any information on this one.

    Both appear to use "SUBJECT:" instead of "Subject:", so they should be easy to filter with nothing more than procmail.

  202. Re:Received 5 messages with payloads in last 2 hou by frkiii · · Score: 1

    Not necessarily new, but I have not received "any" such e-mails in weeks.

    And, this morning's count was 69 like messages.

    However, some of the headers and setup was more inventive, some with attachments (from "Microsoft") and most not.

    Subjects: "Advice", "Returned", "Message Undeliverable", "Error" and similar, even some blank subjects.

    Our CIO is on it, and we have standard procedures to immediately "Trash" such and then empty the "Trash" folder.

    No analysis of the ".bat" or ".exe" files was done with my anti-virus software, due to having deleted them. So, not exactly sure if this is a "new" worm or just an old one where some previously infected systems got back on the net, or something similar.

    Regards,

    Fredrick

  203. british piece of shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  204. "Zero-day"? by jlusk4 · · Score: 1

    It's funny that you mention that it would be easier to hack the OS with the source code available. That's exactly why the chances of a zero-day exploit are higher on open source software than closed source. *OUCH*

    Not sure what you mean by "zero-day".

    Is that the day the source containing the vulnerability is checked in to CVS? In that case, the vulnerability has probably not been deployed to the field yet.

    Or, is that the day that somebody discovers the vulnerability, which has presumably been in place and deployed for some time. In that case, how is that different from the zero-day when somebody discovers a Windows vulnerability?

    John.

    1. Re:"Zero-day"? by Nintendork · · Score: 1
      A zero-day exploit is one that hasn't been reported to the vendor or was reported the same day. This gives sysadmins practically no time to respond to the threat.

      Obviously, it would be easier to find an unknown exploit if you have the source code.

      -Lucas

    2. Re:"Zero-day"? by berzerke · · Score: 1

      ..A zero-day exploit is one that hasn't been reported to the vendor or was reported the same day. This gives sysadmins practically no time to respond to the threat...

      While that is true, I guess this makes all MS (tm) viruses zero-day exploits. The antivirus companies can't update their signatures until they have a sample, and by then its usually in the wild. Since most people who do update only do it every few days, there is a large window of vulnerablility. I've seen a client infected in the afternoon by a virus first discovered in that morning. An no source code access is required.

      And yes, I know virus scanners are supposed to have heuristics (sp?) to take care of this sort of thing, but IMHO/experience they don't work very well.

    3. Re:"Zero-day"? by Nintendork · · Score: 1
      You're a little confused. A virus isn't an exploit. A virus is a program that uses exploits to spread. If the virus used an unknown exploit or if it were coded and launched the same day an exploit was announced, then it would qualify as zero-day.

      -Lucas

    4. Re:"Zero-day"? by berzerke · · Score: 1

      Actually, most viruses today seem to exploit the stupidity and/or laziness of the user, i.e. Hmmm, strange attachment. I'll just click on it to see what happens.

  205. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by Koyaanisqatsi · · Score: 1

    I got about 200 spam messages since last night, most carry the same ~140K EXE attach, identified by norton as "Worm.Automat.AHB"

  206. Re:Welcome by adrizk · · Score: 1

    With that attitude, the movie Dune would have been a lot more boring. :(


    MORE boring? Did you see the original movie? How could it have been more boring?


    I did like the books though, and the SciFi channel miniseries...

  207. IN COMMUNIST CHINA... by raehl · · Score: 1

    Erm... wait... no, I got nothing.

  208. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by hesiod · · Score: 1

    > the rest of the world can feel safe knowing that all 3 of the largest nuclear superpowers are populated by emotional peasants.

    And I can feel safe knowing Slashdot is populated by sensationalist dorks. Are you a dork? Probably not, so don't call me an emotional peasant. It might be okay to say it is run by emotional peasants, but I can't say anything surely about anyone except for myself (and cowboyneal, of course).

  209. Re:Nat and Zonealarm by Matrix2110 · · Score: 1

    Why in the world would you want to use both?

    If I were designing a virus I would attach it to some critical connection bound to port 80 via scripting flaws in explorer or office.

    IMHO, one or the other might save you but not both. I respect Zone Alarm, it is what I use. However, a smart virus writer can figure a payload with ZA in mind.

    I would suggest monitoring your system with some other tools if you are really worried. I offer simply activating the network traffic monitor. (Or
    watching your DSL Tx/Rx light.) These simple tools have allowed me to catch Microsoft in a number of interesting things.

    My $.02

    Way too late for the people that don't patch their machines daily. I feel for those mission critical people. I really do. I feel jerked around as a mere consumer, I cannot imagine how the people at the hospitals or the DOD feel when this stuff hits.

  210. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by jdeking1 · · Score: 1

    There are also plenty of US businesses operating in China

    Yes, many of them employing Chinese citizens to do jobs that used to be performed by American citizens on American soil. Many of my friends were "displaced" in exactly this manner, within two years of having been assured by our employer that none of our jobs would be moved overseas. In fact, the entire manufacturing operation was moved to mainland China within the final six months of that two-year period. Only the engineering, R&D, sales and upper management remained in the US.

    --
    "A generation which ignores history has no past and no future." -- Robert Heinlein
  211. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by Sri+Lumpa · · Score: 1


    "Try to find a US Flag that doesn't say Made in China."

    Well, at least they won't run out of flags to burn.

    --
    "The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,