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ByteWoopy writes "from Wired.com 'Stuck in traffic and sick of Howard Stern, you may soon be able to tune in to the music collection of the person in the car in front of you. Researchers at Carnegie Mellon University are developing an ad hoc networking system for cars that would allow any driver to broadcast music to any other vehicle within a 30-mile radius. Developed by a group of current and former master's students at the Human Computer Interaction Institute, the Roadcasting project would allow drivers to stream their MP3 music collections by Wi-Fi or similar technology to any other vehicle within range that is equipped with compatible hardware and software.
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The RIAA isn't going to like this one...
The FCC is going to love this. Broadcast within a 30 mile radius? Could you imagine a city like New York where you could have 1000 people all broadcasting? This could be an airwave nightmare
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This should open up a whole new venture for pirates.
The *.AAs are going to have a field day, after hearing this...! :-)
...if the hot chick in the Benz starts playing "Naughty Girl" when I tune in, then I should take it as an invitation to follow her home?
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The can be done with a $20 radio transmiter from the "rat shack". You just have to tell people what station your on.
And next we will see the RIAA complaining about how these new broadcasters are not paying royalties for said music. One wonders if they are building in a verification system so that the powers that be know just what songs you played, how many people were listening, and how many of your children you must now give to the RIAA for the pleasure of using their music.
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This is what you would call a Vehicle-Area Network, or VAN for short.
or is it useless??? What if I dislike the music played by the car in front of me? OK I can turn off the system. And because I am afraid of listening to bad music, I will keep it down! Or did I miss something?
(I am angry because the car in front of me doesn't move in traffic jam, now I will be angrier because its driver has bad taste..)
I'd like to hear them ask the RIAA for funding.
Operator, give me the number for 911!
I don't need this. I currently have to endure the music of every little punk teenager within a 100 yard radius of my vehicle already. They're just using technology to do what over-amplification is already doing.
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Great. Now I can hear the bling bling of the ricers around me.
I'M. SO. THRILLED.
Cory Doctorow's Eastern Standard Tribe had essentially the same system described. I wonder if these chaps got their inspiration from EST, or if it's a case of life imitating art.
This is kind of like social networking, only without all the hassle of being social.
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Now we just need a way to request songs from the guys in front of you.
Seriously though, what will the FCC have to say about this? My guess is they won't like it in the slightest.
What about someone broadcasting (in the IP packet sense) advertisements non-stop?
What will the **AA have to say about this?
My guess is this won't happen for at least some of the above reasons.
I have been thinking about this type of system for over two years now. Think of it this way:
One giant mesh system with every stero that has pretty much a streamcast server built inside of it. Now if there are any open WiFi points on the highway, why not do a peer-to-peer like system to relay that connection to the cars that are not in range?
In LA or San Diego type of traffic, people will be connected to the internet AND be able to listen to any streams that other drivers are listening to. But alas, another good idea down the drain. I should move on my next idea, but as with this idea, I do not know where to go or who to contact.
hey, welcome to traffic jams from station 620-LPT, the black thunderbird! It's 5:30 PM and how's your coolant level? We've got the Smiths coming up, but first, the driver of the Red Explorer, your left turn signal has been on for the past two miles, are you turning any day now? [cue music]
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How is this different from, say, a handheld radio with microphone input hooked up to an ipod? Also, I would expect it would be unusable in NYC because advertisers would just broadcast on every channel possible.
already broadcast their music in a several mile radius through good old fashioned volume control
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Of course, the FCC and RIAA will be all over this.
'Public performance'
'clogging the spectrum'
'private radio stations'
May be a good concept, but the implementation will be a bitch.
I always wanted a way to broadcast silence at a car that is driving by blaring music. Even if I like it, I wish I could turn down the volume level so I can continue my conversation, nap or whatever that was interrupted by the individual's music choice and volume.
I had imagined an FM transmitter that works on all channels to overwhelm the receiver in the car. Of course, that wouldn't help if they are playing a CD.
Am I the only one to see a problem here? Why should I potentially buy such an audio sharing system if no one else has one? The classic chicken and egg problem!
Plus, the broadcaster's association as well as copyright holders would be lobbying against it. See how Apple had to cripple itunes music sharing?
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We don't need more distractions in the car. I can just see it now. "Sorry Officer, but I was building a new playlist for the cute girl in the car next."
Now when I buy a car, I'm going to have to pay a royality fee too!
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Now I can roll my eyes at how bad people's musical taste is from their iTunes libraries at work, in net cafes, in class AND while driving. And rolling your eyes while driving is dangerous.
Actually think this is pretty cool, although I didn't RTFA.
Great, not only can I yell at the guy in front of me about his driving I'll get to abuse him over his choice in music!
Until cars can safely drive themselves, we don't need a cockpit full of gadgets that further distract people from their principle responsibility of paying attention to the road. Your job behind the wheel is not to entertain your DJ fantasy.
...Attention everyone, attention. You. You in the white truck, You are following too closely. and You in the grey sedan, please try to stay at least 5 mph above the limit, and you, the girl in the red celica, please write down your phone number and hold it up to the window. It is very critical that you all do this. Thank you. And now back to regular programming...
broadcast music to any other vehicle within a 30-mile radius
...it's called an inconsiderate teenager with a trunk full of subwoofers and gazillion watts of amplification power.
Right now while on the car I often have "the pleasure" of being forced the music of that in-duh-vidual that is in the car next to me with the music at its maximum volume.... soon some script kiddie will get to hear its music through my own speakers, too...
Why can't
I doubt your neighbouring drivers have any better taste in music than whatever station is repeating the same drivel they call music on the air. Sadly, there's a reason (other than sheer repetition) why "top 40" are there - people do like songs like that.
In the same vein, your taste in Chinese rap probably doesn't appeal to many people driving around you either.
Doing the Right Thing should not be preempted by making a buck.
"Stuck in traffic and sick of Howard Stern..."
I don't even own a car, and I'm sick of Stern.
Instead of a point-to-point application, this tech must become a P2P medium to have any value. Not only do populations of neighboring cars change constantly, quickly, and with little warning (use your blinkers!), but who wants to interact with the mostly random person in the car next to you? Maybe a cocommuter friend somewhere else in a 15-minute pod of traffic, but not the mostly random guy picking his nose and karaoking to "Sister Christian" in the Hyundai that just cut you off.
Meshes of short-range, low-power highway devices can, instead, form a medium layer in a TCP/IP network. Nothing about the neighboring cars' identity matters, just that they support the protocol, and have enough spatial density. Then they can bridge the gap to high bandwidth hops to the Internet. Along the way, they can aggregate traffic data, which can inform traffic jockeys and drivers to optimize flow (though, ironically, reduce necessary density). This project is a nice demo, but it needs to get buried in the protocol stack before the rubber really meets the road.
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Most of the time the person in front of me has their stereo up so loud I can hear it with the windows up.
This is retarded. Just because something can technically be done, doesn't mean it should be done. There are already plenty of sources for mobile entertainment (broadcast radio, satellite radio, portable music players, tapes, cassettes, the list goes on and on). People need to pay attention to the road, not managing their playlist.
Before we know it everyone is going to be running his or her own radio stations while driving to work. Which is neat and scary at the same time. Now we can blog on the road! Heck, maybe advertising companies will pay us to promote a commercial after every song!
Then we can really be the radio!
Beat the computer, program your life.
Seriously. They are expecting you to surf through various "stations" to find a decent one among what would probably be quite a dire selection, only to find that after a song or two, the person you are tuned into takes a turn away from you, and you have to find another person you share musical taste with. And repeat that again a few minutes later.
It's a solution searching desperately hard for a problem.
Just roll down your windows, you can already hear the crap they are playing.
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Great! I'm loading mine with Barbera Striesland outtakes, Yoko Ono, Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music, Melt Banana, Whitney Houston, some Pia Zadora, and as much Tiny Tim as I can find! Then I'm taking over the highways and freeways like Max before me!
O ULDN'TITBELOOOOOOOOVERLYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIEA IEAIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can imagine other drivers ceeding the right of way as they scramble at their dials to disable "auto download" whenever I get near. Or even better, I'll take a small boombox and crank ghetto rap, Phish Bootlegs, rare techno remixes, and other stuff to get noticed. THEN they get -Kazaa! - SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHW
About time guerilla warfare techniques had application on the open road.
I want to be able to tell the twat in front of me to put the bloody phone down and stop weaving over the bloody road.
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I have had a lot of success by narrowcasting a half-brick to them.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
Exactly my thinking. I thought it was odd that boingboing reported on this but didn't mention the similarity. In fact, your post is the first sign I've seen of anyone making the connection besides me. Weird.
This is easily the dumbest thing I've seen all day.
In fact, there is only one reason why I like it....but it's a big reason.
The RIAA is bound to hate it, and drive themelves into seizures trying to regulate/kill it.
And anything that drives the RIAA crazy and wastes their time is aces in my book.
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Considering the "music" that seems to be most popular accoding to the charts, why would I want to listen to what anybody else thinks is good? ( When did dancing become enough to get a person a record contract anyway? )
Granted there are people with good taste out there, or at least taste similar to mine, but I suspect the crap to quality ratio is going to be way too high.
Why would you be listening to Stern anyhow?
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As insipid as professional radio stations are already, I now should trust the taste of the total stranger three car lengths ahead of me?
As little as the average j*ck-off who cannot get off his/her cell phone pays attention to driving, they now will be managing their own radio station as well?
What if somebody's broadcasting gets really popular? Can you picture a herd of cars following them and jockeying for closer spots? On and off freeways?
Nah, I don't think "drive-by live blogging" is quite ready for prime-time, yet. I already get too much of an idea what other people consider to be worth listening to when we all have our windows down in the spring.
The FCC could turn this into an advantage by providing a relatively small range but with the catch that the only rule is that no intentional jamming is allowed. That would encourage the development of adaptive radio systems that can handle multiple transmissions on the same frequency, most likely through the use of software defined radio.
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FCC, RIAA, and the bible thumpers will never allow this.
FCC:
Uncontrolled language and content. They get on Howard Stern for some little crap. What about the Hippy who scream obsenities from his VW bus about conspiracies and how much weed he smokes? They'd never allow it.
RIAA:
You think they'll allow free playing licenced music? Also, pirated music will get played and they'll get their panties in a bunch.
Bible Thumpers:
All the free thinking and freedom of speach will drive these guys crazy. Now any idiot with a radio will have access to swearing and sexual content potentially!
"Oh noes! Sexy talk! Won't anyone think of the children!?"
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How could you ever get sick of Howard Stern? (read with copious sarcasm)
Captain Insano shows no mercy.
Now the idea that I have is that you have a car A. You see a car B. Car A is upset with Car B. Car A sends an SMS, VOIP or whatever to Car B. Car B. receives the message and complys.
:)
This has applications in law enforcement, party group of cars sick of having to pull over every single time they go on a road trip. One thing though, it has to be "open-source." There is no way I believe 1 company can think of "all" the ideas you can come up with.
Extreme idea: Car A text message Plane B.
Have a nice day!
I don't get it. Half the time, I already CAN hear the music of the car in front of me... or five cars ahead of me. And I usually don't want to hear it then, either.
What are they going to broadcast? Traffic reports and whining kids?
"Traffic on Main street approaching Elm is stop-and-go. I can't tell if there is an accident or whether it is just volume because there is a U-Haul van in front of me... Billy! Stop hitting your sister! Wait, we're moving... Nope, we've stopped again... I know, Sally, but the traffic isn't moving... Ok! The U-Haul is turning onto Elm. Rats! There's a Fedex truck. Now I'm behind a Fedex truck... Billy, sit your butt in that seat right this minute!"
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Er... I forgot to add that Eastern Standard Tribe, like most of Doctorow's novels, can be downloaded for free. However, I generally find the dead-tree version a lot more easy-going on the eyes- and a lot more portable, too :)
Wardialing, Wardriving, Warspying is dead. Now is the time of podcasting, roadcasting, etc. I, for one, welcome our new buzz-slinging overloards.
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Am I the only one who is tired of all this podcasting, bodcasting, roadcasting, godcasting, and rod casting?
We got a great big convoy ...
People been "podcasting" for a long time now.
1. It is progressing at an ever-accelerating rate.
2. It all ANNOYS ME.
Seriously, I just now replaced my "No, I won't read your blog" t-shirt with my "No, I won't listen to your Podcast' t-shirt.
Now, this?!?
But, what if someone started broadcasting... The Funniest Joke in the World?
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I don't need to see the other driver's music tastes to know s/he is an asshole.
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Won't there be some kind of legal issues for doing something like this? You're basicly making a public broadcast of your music collection.
If you're like most people, you're going to have significant amounts of commercial music in your collection. If this kind of thing catches on, I wonder if it will be a brand new attack vector for the RIAA.
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If I recall correctly, the explanation in the book as to why the music industry supported it was that only a few people were music horders, going up and down highways looking for new music. Most poeple just sampled a bit when they happened to be on the road, but would buy music later so it actually increased music revenue.
Of course the RIAA doesn't buy that argument about current file sharing. Maybe if it were really hard to get the music out of your car they would be ok with it.
I think it's a case of life imitating art. EST's first edition was released in March 2004, and the Roadcasting project took place from January to July 2004. Unless one of the team members had an advance copy, there's really no way that they could have been inspired by EST.
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Hey, I could double my annoying behaviour by also getting super loud thumper speakers AND a car dig audio broadcast system. Everyone would know the pain that is Indian Pop Music when they get stuck next to me in traffic.
Oh yes, squirm in your car my fellow proletariate!
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Well the 2.4GHz range used by WiFi is already unlicensed. Cordless phones, 802.11 networks, and many other devices have to share the spectrum nicely. One easy hack that could really make WiFi-casting scale up is IP multicasting. That way instead of one 128Kb/s stream for each listener fighting for maybe 5Mb/s of bandwidth (assume real world conditions and weaker signal at longer ranges), you could have one stream for all listeners.
Because we're not all already sick of hearing other peoples music blaring from their cars, are we?
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"This is the next big challenge for the RIAA," said Schultz. "If they thought file sharing over P2P networks was a threat to their business model, then this is a whole different challenge that they have to adapt to, because there's no way they can police this."
The RIAA can lobby electronics makers and car companies against the production of cheap hardware that does this, and therefore effectively kill it. They have managed to greatly reduce the number of internet radio stations. It is no fun to broadcast if no one is listening. And it is no fun to listen if no one is broadcasting.
Rats. I wanted to say that. I hate missing out on obvious whuffie.
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Is what monkeys do poocasting?
I wonder if this would open up the opportunity for mobile payola?
Step 1: Promoters pay people to drive to specific location and broadcast the newest Britney Duff single.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit
to all of us living by a major road? Isn't our wifi cluttered enough with Grandma Bluehair and Pimple Boy and their new Linksys wireless cable modems blasting away?
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Hey, it might be nice to have words to go with the whuump whuump whuump from the car next to me...
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With the exception of commercials, I don't see how this would differ from radio in anyway. Instead of being confined to listen to whatever is playing over the FM radio waves from the local tower you now have the ability to listen to the EXACT SAME MUSIC coming from other peoples mp3 players. Tuning through 100 casts of 50cent and Toby Keith to find someone else casting something I'm interested in is not my idea of a productive way of finding good music. I'll stick to my own collection instead while driving.
I just hope that all the cars they are planning to sell this project to aren't fueled by petroleum, because that's a dead-end market if I ever saw one. Perhaps they should think about a market that might actually have a future, like bicycle-casting!
Thinking this one out, I don't think it would sell very well. Say you're a "roadcaster" - you buy the equipment, load up your mp3s, make up a stream list and turn it on. Now your listeners have invested in similar equipment to tune in to your music. For the same price, I bet they could grab an ipod mini with the FM transmitter attachment and "stream" there own music.
My point is, anyone technically savvy enough to get into this at the beginning is probably already able to listen to their OWN favourite music.
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Though I worry your post only presages a dream...
(Side note: where did the apparently ineffective CAPTCHAs go?)
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
This isn't new. I use my iTrip to broadcast about 3 car lengths during traffic with a bumper sticker on the back that told the driver behind to tune into 107.7. You get quite a few waves. Even funnier when you put on some of Billy Connely's shows on. Gottta have his expletatives.
I can allready get the other cars music by:
1) Being to close
2) Having my radio tuned to the tunecast
We would all have to be able to choose the music from the other car (Legal ramifications), and drive off the road trying to find a song that's not complete crap.
*Grabs iriver, seaches for music, drives off road*
I don't know why I should get a new expensive system, while FM transmitters are cheap and don't require a new radio in the listener's car...
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Is software with the ability to automatically find and connect to open access points as one drives around . . . kinda like cell technology.
that I can't escape bad hip-hop blaring from every car in my city in four different languages, but now these kiddies will be able to muck up the spectrum with their playlists?
Oh joy. I can hardly wait. If this becomes a reality, I'm filing a ruggedized MP3 unit with all the Weird Al and polkas I can find and fighting back... and getting a kicker box to boot.
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Oh no! It's the RIAA mobile!! Portable paralegals!
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There's already a technology for listening to random music that other people program without any regard to your own interests: FM radio. :)
Never once have I heard somebody's music in the car next to me and wished "gee, if I could only hear their thunderous bass in my own car, for my whole trip!". Also, how about we don't encourage drivers to try to play DJ while they're driving?
So if you live near a lot of traffic, not only do you have to put up with drivers that can't keep their hands off their horns, now these people will also generate lots of interference. And why? Aren't AM, FM, and a few hundred stations on satellite radio enough?
This reminds me of a cool little clip I saw on HolyLemon a while back.
It would be fun to see this happen to some "real gangstas" driving around and all of the sudden the radio station changes to some random "wussy song".
just like tuning into to the neighboring car's FM modulator transmitting their ipod...
I'm listening to GAY PORNO over here!!!!
Sure.....
"However, I generally find the dead-tree version a lot more easy-going on the eyes"
I agree, if only because when the batteries in my laptop ignite, there searing burn and the shrapnel expelling with in is not the warm glow of paper burning at Celcius 804.
At least if you're caught on your latest stalking endeavor, you can claim that you just enjoyed the other driver's music.
Shared music collections on the road are fine, but what this technology does is prepare the way for when your car talks the vehicle ahead of you about velocities, traffic obstructions, control inputs, lane changes, etc.
So, listen to the music in peace, and let the car do the driving.
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become irrelevant? Cut through the mediator and reclaim the airwaves! Are you sick and tired of corporate TV/radio? Well, broadcast your own without *gasp* ads or commercial breaks.
In the near future mainstream TV/radio/media will be talking to themselves. Grassroots (communist) radio/music here we come...
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Plenty of nice, kind, near-deaf people have been sharing their music with me for YEARS by the simple method of having gigantic speakers in their cars and blaring their music at a volume high enough to produce visible distortions in the air.
But now, with modern technology, they can annoy people who CHOSE to listen to whatever melody-impaired song they're playing.
Sadly, people on the sidewalk may loose out on such a chance, so they'll still have to employ their nuclear-powered speakers to continue their generosity.
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SHIT! The first thing I did when loading the comments page was search for Eastern Standard Tribe.
I'm not sure which came first but damn I thought it was a cool idea.
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I've driven to Defcon a few times and there's a somewhat official convoy which travels from California to Vegas, this convoy has it's own radio station which is usually better than anything you can get on commercial stations ;-)
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I remember once getting left behind - my then girlfriend (now wife) wanted to get in&out burger, and we had to catch up. Being a DJ I'd submitted a mix to desertcrossing radio, and it was scheduled to be played before we got to vegas. So I spent the next hour or so racing to catch up and get back in radio range. We did get back in time to hear my slot, and we were greeted with the sight of 50+ cars all string out on a hill in front of us with their hazard lights blinking.
Easily my favourite Defcon moment
How about creating some device that will let iPod users listen to their own music? Some sort of personal speaker system that pumps their music directly into their own ears, so no one else can hear it, so it bothers no one else, that allows them the flexibility to listen to their particular style of music? There *must* be some way to do this!
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So if I tune in to the theme from T.J. Hooker I'll now theres a cop nearby?
. . . ONLY if *I* get exclusive no-bid contracts to provide the equipment police will use to catch these evil drive-by Music Pirates!
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How about instead of streaming music, you just get to hear me swear and belittle you as you drive at 55 in the fast lane? Thats much more pleasurable for me so long as its a one-way conversation and you're easily intimidated.
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I'm already doing this...
A sticker in the window "iTrip 89.9 FM" and anyone with a radio can listen to my mix. Not that I want someone riding my bumper on the highway just to keep listening, but it's small enough that they can't read it except in bumper to bumper city traffic anyhow.
Hack an iTrip with an additional watt or so of transmit power and a simple wire antenna, and you're good for a couple hundred feet.
All the Honda Civics with coffee-can mufflers already have this technology, and you don't need to buy any special equipment to receive the music. Just listen. You'll hear the bass half a mile away.
Here's an idea...
Turn off the CD player, the radio, the iPod, the cell phone, the pager, the PDA, the satellite radio receiver, the laptop, and any other stupid gadget you might be playing with...and GO!
The light's green, dumbass! Would you just drive already?!
it's almost physically painful to imagine all the work that's going to go into setting something like this up, only to produce a result that is pretty much infinitely shitter than just playing your own mix CD, and definitely infinitely shitter than being about to hook up your ipod to the radio.
Occasionally I hear the music being played in another vehicle whether I like it or not, without a "roadcast" receiver. It usually sounds like "mmm mmm mmm mmm..."
Why would I want to listen to someone else's crappy playlist? If I have the equipment in my car...why wouldn't I just sing along to my own playlist? Besides, I could do this 10 years ago with my FM modulator sending my Sony Discman into the two-knob AM/FM radio in my '76 Chevy Blazer. Only I had a 50-ft range, not 30 mi.
. . . you get the picture.
so does that mean if someone registers nevrona as classical music it may automatically start blasting out of some gramma's car?
These kinds of developments are certainly cool, and I can see that this system could go beyond music.
But right now its primary design is for music broadcasting, and unlicensed public performances are definetly not legal. So wtf do these guys think they're doing?
How can they possibly argue that this device will mostly be used for legal activity when the primary purpose is to broadcast from someone's personal collection of music.
Honestly, this is pretty stupid. Radio stations pay huge fees to broadcast music and what people will do with these devices is not only unfair to radio stations, but it's just plain illegal.
Yeah yeah, you could be some band wanting to promote your own music driving around town, but how many people will this account for? Maybe 0.05% of the total users - the remaining 99.95% illegaly broadcasting commercial music.
If they somehow manage to prevent people from playing commercial music, who's gonna buy the device? Even in a big city you'd be lucky to find someone on the road who's broadcasting legal music - and you'd be lucky if they're within range for the length of one track.
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Pump up the volume and open the windows. It won't reach 30 miles but it's free of licensing restrictions (zoning restrictions are another matter), at least until the RIAA figures out how to collect for public performances on roads.
vehicles with built-in 802.11p could serve as nodes in mesh networks..."
"This is the next big challenge for the RIAA," said Schultz.
We experimented with this last year using Java and 802.11b. It worked and it's not rocket science.
It's interesting as a vehicle application but 'way future' as far as implementation goes.
With all the cheap WiFi gear out there the FUN would be in implementing the described network functions at home. It's also practical in wifi dense urban settings.
Congress has just passed legislation permitting the RIAA the use of spike strips and road blocks to curb illegal file sharing.
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Just turn up dat hoopty G-trigga joint and shake da windowze of all da cars around y'all aaa-ight?
You don't need no fancy equipment and nobody around you needs it neither. Just some bling 22 inch rims yo, a big ole bass can in the back, a power amp rated in gigawattz and da latest remix of "doan make me smack you, ho" an' you can be "roadcastin'" down the road at 3am.
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The RIAA announces that they are supporting the development of a new form of roadside camera. Instead of photographing cars travelling to fast or ignoring traffic lights this one will photograph "roadcasters". They hope that future legislation will allow them to directly bill the relevent drivers.
I wonder if you brodcast your music, and someone behind you recieves that transmission, could you both be arrested and fined for it? All these different laws are confusing. Can anyone help me out?
No more need for an expensive car player, just broadcast from home using the same technology!
...and it plays from there? I'm sure this could totally be done. It may not have as many benefits if it's just you (because an mp3 player would do a better job), BUT what if you setup a server and told all of your friends the number to text, so that you can all use the same service (and setup a queue so that the songs wouldn't switch automatically if you're using it at the same time).
And hey, maybe it'd be possible to somehow setup a text message system where you can type in:
artist - album - track#
At other times it could just be shuffled randomly or whatever.
...that with that many people broadcasting, by the time you find a song you like, the car your getting your music from will be out of range or turned off before the song ends...
Let me predict the natural path this will take:
1. Broadcasts of music from car to car
2. Ability to specify the sending and recieving car
3. Broadcasts of voice and text
4. Ability to send graphics
5. Ability to send live video
6. Guys sending live video feeds of their privates to innocent woman driving by
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Is anyone else tired of this obscure speck on the map?
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I noticed the link too, given that I just re-read EST... CD is a heck of a writer!
I need more whuffie!
Damn! I never have mod points when I need them. Consider yourself +5 funny.
tailgating accidents spike as everyone crowds around my Accord on the road to hear the latest indie/britpop sounds!
Maybe it's time to invest in an 802.11.g wi-fi network...
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Is this vague enough for you?
If a convoy of cars broadcast jazz to each other, would that be a traffic jam?
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its called winding your window down and turning up the radio.
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I'd rather have an underhood EMP generator I could use to fry the electronics of those damn cars with overly powerful and obnoxiously loud subwoofers.
I'd rather sit in silence then have to listen to that crap you call music!
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Unfortunately you don't even have to stand on the sidewalk to have some desperate teenager's bass forced into your ears. You can be sitting in your apartment or even in a class and some ass who somehow got through the condom will be blasting their shitty music (which is 99% of the time either shitty rap or shitty latin dance music).
I already get to experience the joy of roadcast.
There I go, minding my own business, listening to 87.9 FM -- WPOD, which somehow knows to play only songs I own and songs I like, and then all of a sudden my Mighty Wind and Bon Jovi singing in spanish gets interrupted by the staticky sound of Limp Biskit... I look to the car on my left and see that the dude in the souped up Honday is bobbing his head to the music in my car, and i realize-- his XM Radio FM transceiver relay can beat up my dinky little iTrip.
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There are cars out there that have that ability today, and you don't even need special equipment to listen to the "music" (usually rap, for some reason) these other drivers choose to share. Just pull up next to them at a stoplight, and listen to your heart's content.
I'd be far more interested in technology that could prevent the guy next to me from playing his music so loud you can hear in the next zip code.
Development of this very idea is a plot point in Eastern Standard Tribe by Cory Doctorow. He has a turnpike waive the toll for any driver hosting more than 20K songs (details may be approximate). Apparently, science is now catching up with SF in less than 2 years - nice!
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Do we really need to clog the unregulated spectrum with more noise? Every car in 30 miles broadcasting music is going to really take a bite of the available bandwidth don't you think?
Sigs are awesome huh?
A great way to tell off all the other bad drivers out there...
Like the roach mobile with the 500 watt bass-thumpers wasnt annoying enough. After deafening me, Now they are going to fry my Nads with ultra-mega hi-power RoadCasters pumping RF into every car around them.
"And next we will see the RIAA complaining about how these new broadcasters are not paying royalties for said music. "
You want to play like a radio station, you should pay like a radio station.
"One wonders if they are building in a verification system so that the powers that be know just what songs you played, how many people were listening, and how many of your children you must now give to the RIAA for the pleasure of using their music."
Why don't you come up with something that can be widely distributed without your permission. Make certain it's something that you're trying to make a living with. We want the pain to be as acute as possible.
This actually seems like a much more useful application: hands-free CB radio. Something that lets drivers communicate with each other.
The main reason asshole drivers exist in such painful proportions is that they don't face any consequences. If they did any of those things outside the context of a motor vehicle, like, say, in a crowded store, the very least they'd get would be numerous angry stares. The boiling hatred of those affronted is a powerful motivator. On the road, most people aren't gutsy enough to honk at an asshole driver, and asshole drivers don't even notice lights flashed at them.
Imagine if that blissfully vacuous bleached-blonde soccer mom hears, "Get out of the passing lane, you retarded hosebag!" Now imagine if she hears that from twenty people in a one-minute period. Only the very dullest of idiot drivers will have such a thick skin that they can ignore an unending flood of insults and invectives.
But social pressure isn't the only application. If we make this an actual network, then sell simple voice-activated little boxes which hook into this network whenever the driver says things like "Report Alabama JDT 8771, swerving and aggressive driving," and let law enforcement keep a database of such "reports" so they can go have a talk with someone who has, say, fifty reports against them, we can bring some responsible driving back to the roads and save some lives (and commuting time).
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You can do this now with trunk-stored CD changers. Most of the units I've seen don't have direct wires from the changer to the radio unit, but rather broadcast on an FM frequency. The one's I've seen used 89.1 since it (presumably) wasn't already registered as being in use. While driving around in heavy traffic one day, I switched to 89.1, and started picking up a plethora of music from the people around me. The range isn't that great, and I couldn't be more than about 10 feet from them, but nonetheless, when stuck in a dead-stop traffic jam, the guy in front of me, I was happy to realize, had very similar tastes in music.
And they said zombies weren't real!
.... Can you see the RIAA getting pissed and the FCC steping in because of it being unrestricted ... 30miles covers alot of cities... a person could broadcast copyrighted material and in order to track it you would have to trianglate the signal to get a possible location...
because the car that appears to be in front of you is actually behind you.
Soon I'll have RFID/WiMax/Podcast in my armpits so people can smell my manly musk in Outer Mongolia!!!!111
Hey if enough cars get equipped with that it could be used to create a car based p2p network..
Since you'd have a "local" ip address that is registered nowhere you'd be completely anonymous.
Looks like a very promising future to me..
...but can you roadcast with Rodi?
We already have this technology. It's called a subwoofer, and it works whether people want to hear your music or not.
If the users of the current technology are any indication, I doubt that there will be anything worth listening to with the new technology.
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Cory Doctorow elucidates this idea. Based on the precedent of Heinlein and the waterbed these guys can't make any patent claims and if Doctorow wants he can charge royalties on the idea."Secrecy is the Beginning of Tyranny" "No intelligent man has any respect for an unjust law" -Robert Heinlein
The description of this projects seems incredibly similar to/ Tuna
http://web.media.mit.edu/~stefan/hc/projects/tuna
Probably this is a prototype, which owing to its size is unable to confine the noise to the user's ear. Instead low frequency sounds escape the car and are, indeed, broadcast to other vehicles. It doesn't seem to rely on any networking technology other than sound waves and plain old air, which is really kind of low-tech cool when you think about it.
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How is this research anything different than creating a shoutcast with discovery or videolan-based multicast broadcast network?
Maybe they should try to create a web that you can browse with wireless device...oh wait... thats been done too.
Good to see the old (or not that old) Alma Mater being more productive than I am...
30 miles? Only people out in the country farming will need 30 miles. Instead, why not 30 feet?
AC's modded -6. I don't see you, I don't mod you, anything you say is lost. Don't like it? Don't be a coward.
"Try listening to FM radio as you drive down a Manhattan street"
I do this more or less every day. What are you talking about? The only signals I have difficulty with are the ones not broadcast in NY.
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Dunno who EST are/is, but kids have been riding up and down my street "roadcasting" for years. One day I'm gonna take a box of tacks and do an impromptu mod on that pimped out ride, converting it into a station(ary) wagon.
What we need is the oposite of what the article describes - a way to force what we're currently playing onto other people's stereo's!
By god, I would have given a lot to be able to push some Bach onto the stereo of that idiot stuck next to me in the traffic jam tonight who was playing Jimmy Nail's greatest hits. Probably would have made his head explode....
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Anyone wan to venture some names the media will come up for people who use their iPods as the audio input to broadcast their MP3s?
RoadPodCasting?
PodRoadCasting?
iPodRoasting?
I'm sick as hell of the dopey monikers the come up with, which includes podcasting, and blogging. Has the whole country suddenly gone back to second grade?
This is nothing. There are plenty of folks who already broadcast their music to other cars in a 30-mile radius using modern technology known as the "subwoofer."
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This is just silly
it will probably be relabeled "SmackCaster".
Since no one will actually tune into the car they just cut off, all of the ranting will fall on deaf ears. It would just be an expensive way to encourage people to verbalize.
Where can I order one?
I think you underestimate just how much I just dont care.
My car stereo amp goes up to eleven.
Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
CMU researchers rediscover CB radio.
Won't this fall foul of laws regarding content distribution? It's bad enough lending your mate a CD without broadcasting it for everyone to hear.
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Several years ago, a Mr. Bubb Rubb of Oakland, CA described a "Whistle tip" roadcasting device several years ago on a KRON-TV newscast.
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I'd think it would be much cooler for people to broadcast their position and speed to a central hub somehow (yes, anonymously, you paranoid bastards!)
The information could be used to plan travel by seeing where traffic is bad.
Currently hooked on AMP
Eastern Standard Tribe is a science fiction novel by Cory Doctorow. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
So how is this much different from the current method: 3000 Watt system with quad 15" Kickers "broadcasting" to everyone within a 25 foot radius?
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I wanted to do this on a slightly lower scale, maybe a 1/4 mile range or so.
But I wanted to tie it in with a scrolling LED sign in my rear window that displays the "Now Playing" and perhaps another LED sign that displays my broadcast frequency: "Now Broadcasting On..."
I don't think that my antenna has to point up, in order to save power. An effectively two-dimensional antenna that eminates in a maybe 5-degree arc, 360 degrees about a point on the roof of my car. This would hopefully increase the effectiveness of my radio transmission and keep me under the FCC regs that would require a license.
I put the cost for this at about $300 to put together, plus time, effort, and all that. Also, it kind of necessitates having an in-car computer, because you need to populate the scrolling display somehow. (serial interface usually, could probably work out a way to interface with that minty mp3 player that ladyada made. Decode the id3 tag and push it out to a buffer of some kind which spits it to the scrolling display when it's ready)
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No i didnt RTFA but it seems to me that as long as you have enough cars daisy chained along, there would be no physical distance limit. However, in passing data from car to car to car to car, the End-to-End latencies build up I'd suppose.
'Or else pizza is going to order out for you'
Shouldn't that be Celsius 233?
"Total destruction the only solution" - Bob Marley
Isn't that what Clearchannel already is? Some dickhead in a car broadcasting shitty music that millions of asshat radio station managers just rebroadcast to the world?
Long time in coming. This is what people promised with bluetooth at the turn of the century... after we realized we'd be working stiffs the rest of our lives we posted this idea to an anti-patent site.2 356
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Network Companion Assistant: http://www.shouldexist.org/story/2001/4/2/181510/
It's a variant of something we worked on in '95. In fact, around the '96 timeframe people had computer-CB-phone networks going from what I remember. I remember seeing one setup where the dude used his CB to make phone calls through his home phone.
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I've heard what my fellow travellers have to say and I'd rather they kept it all to themselves.
"I definitely can see a carmaker jump in, just like General Motors jumped in with XM Radio," said Walter Keegan, the author of Autoblog. "Just to tout the next big thing or to have something different.... That would be a big selling point."
Yeah, there's nothing a deep-pockets carmaker wants more than to be sued by RIAA for facilitating copyright violation on an absolutely humongous scale.
Just put your iPod on shuffle; this will give you a better match with your tastes than letting the guy in the next car select your music for you.
Have you read my blog lately?
... *casting used to be about coding?
Come to think of it, why not build a wifi network based on a statistical sampling of cars in traffic that have wireless repeaters in them. After all they're out there, have excellent street coverage, and there's all those antennae sticking up already. How difficult would it be to design a network with such a dynamic flux of repeaters? How would such a thing be packaged?
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Are you looking for the word subpoena?
When it was called Pump Up the Volume.
Where can I get a "I'm on channel 11. (802.11b)" sticker?
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It started in 1988 when I took my Sony Walkman cassette recorder and tried to figure out how to play it in my dad's car, which had no tape player then, just an AM/FM radio.
At the store in that year I found a device that plugs into the cigarette lighter called "The Sound Sender", for $20.
One end plugs into the cigarette lighter, and the other end is a standard mini-headphone jack. That jack can plug into my Walkman cassette player. Then later, I used it with my CD player or minidisc. And now of course it works with my portable MP3 device. (It sends sound from any device with a mini-headphone jack output).
When sound is piped through it, it goes through the electrical system of the car, and "broadcasts" a signal on the FM radio dial I choose, between 104.9 and 105.9 FM !!!
Then I tune the car's radio to that signal, and wallah! I can perfectly hear my music device's sound through the car's radio no matter what car it is.
The reason I say it is like "road casting", is because since it pipes it through the car's electrical system, it is actually giving off this signal from the car.
The sound signal can be picked up by cars driving nearby on their radios!
I have not seen a device like this for sale for quite some time. But it works! Not for a 30 mile radius, but at least for a few car lengths' radius.
Next thing you know, someone'll have combined them both and we'll be hearing about nothing but warcasting...