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Disney's Anti-File Swapping Cartoon

LordXarph writes: "Newsforge has a story about Disney's anti-file swapping episode of their cartoon "Proud Family." The synopsis is simply hysterical; I'm waiting for someone to write a gnutella servent called EZ-Jackster."

417 comments

  1. this is not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the first post.

  2. What do you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was probably created by artists.

    1. Re:What do you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. What right do they have dictating terms of using their works? Bastards!

  3. sounds funny by kochsr · · Score: 1

    I think it sounds funny, and you guys are probably going to get all bent out of shape... but i wonder how many people of the target audience actually watch this.... it'll probably get more hits from slashdot than anything else...

    1. Re:sounds funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may think there are a lot of slashdot readers, but according to Taco it's just a few dozen or so trolls and spambots who spend all day DOSing slashdot and the sites it points to.

    2. Re:sounds funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      probably a future classic...in the tradition of Reefer Madness

    3. Re:sounds funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I saw it and it changed my life. No, but in reality my sister happened to be watching it and I caught the part about EZ Jackster. Not to surprising considering it came from disney.

  4. Can someone post a DiVX of that episode by NotSurprised · · Score: 5, Funny

    on Gnutella, or something?? ;)

  5. Napster was obviously racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And now we have proof. Before, it was just that weird cat-like logo, obviously a reference to the cat-like stealth of evil Asian ninjas.

    Now Disney blows the whole facade away and shows music stealing for what it is: an attempt to bankrupt Asian music store owners.

    1. Re:Napster was obviously racist by Gray+Space · · Score: 1

      Yes Napster is racist and so am I. In fact I think people in general should be abolished, but that's just a dream. In the meantime I think Disney had every right to judge us morally, they have more money, and that's what you really need, more money. And none of that funny looking money either.

  6. Oh the irony. by nyet · · Score: 5, Funny

    A lesson in IP morality, coming from Disney?

    Next thing you know, Nike will feature ads exorting how NOT exploiting foreign workers in sweatshops is anti-American, and Just Plain Wrong(tm).

    1. Re:Oh the irony. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and next you'll hear Shell sayin' pollution is bad, haha!

    2. Re:Oh the irony. by SubtleNuance · · Score: 5, Interesting

      HA! Have a look at this: Nike 100% Slave Labour billboard.

      Absurd isnt it...talk about gaul.

    3. Re:Oh the irony. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not before we hear you say your humor is pathetic.

    4. Re:Oh the irony. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      talk about gaul

      yeah, see, there's this cool place, right, and this guy named Asterix lives there, and his fat friend Obelix, and they do all of this crazy stuff...

      Oh, wait, you meant gall?

    5. Re:Oh the irony. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exsqueeze me, but what does you're post half two due with the topic at hands?

    6. Re:Oh the irony. by InigoMontoya(tm) · · Score: 3, Funny

      Absurd isnt it...talk about gaul.

      Okay, I will. Gaul was the old Roman name for the area that includes much of modern-day France, Germany, and the areas in between (all those piddly little countries like Luxembourg and Belgium). It was inhabited by barbarians. The name still lives on as French culture is sometimes known as Gallic culture.

      Now, gall on the other hand... that's a different story.

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    7. Re:Oh the irony. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinda like Billy Idol's anti-drugs ads.

      Don't you know that taking IP from businesses is stealing, but taking IP from the public domain encourages creativity?

    8. Re:Oh the irony. by Gray+Space · · Score: 1

      Now if you pronounce Gaul with a vulgar latin accent it rhymes with owl, and owls give a hoot so they don't pollute. so what's really being said is that Nike's attempt to pollute our tiny little useless minds is pissing off the owls.

  7. Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by Glock27 · · Score: 3, Informative
    are going to do the right thing!

    Tech giants pan anti-piracy mandate!

    It's good to see this, after all the press the evil big-media giants have been getting lately! :-)

    299,792,458 m/s...not just a good idea, its the law!

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    1. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by Bonker · · Score: 2

      From the article - After weeks of conference calls and quiet rallying of the troops, technology companies including Intel, IBM, Microsoft and Compaq Computer held a coming-out press conference Monday to oppose a broad copyright protection proposal being backed by Walt Disney and Sen. Ernest Hollings, D-S. C.


      Can I see a show of hands from everyone who never thought that they'd be in the same boat as Microsoft?

      Still, this just doesn't completely jive. I thought that Microsoft was a big propenent of screwing the little guy over for intellectual property rights. Thus, WMA DRM, right?

      Maybe it boils down to the simple fact that the proposed SSSCA legislation is so outrageous and would cause so many problems that it really is getting the negative attention it deserves.

      Shame on Disney...

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    2. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by aka-ed · · Score: 1
      nothing you ever say contibutes anything relevant to the discussion. Are you just trying to rack up posts or what?

      Assuming that you are trying to "contibute anything relevant to the discussion," you should examine the link he posted. It concerns legislation backed primarily by Disney. It is relevant.

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    3. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by aka-ed · · Score: 1
      Still, this just doesn't completely jive. I thought that Microsoft was a big propenent of screwing the little guy over for intellectual property rights. Thus, WMA DRM, right?

      Maybe MS is acting on principal...hahaha!

      Actually, it's a matter of which side of the bread your butter is on. In this case, MS has a vested interest in software resolutions, which would be made redundant by Disney's scheme. Also, this is a Draconian measure that would mandate govt-approved chips in all copycapable digital devices. This would hurt PC sales (people would want to keep the old PC that copies properly rather than upgrade). What hurts PC sales, hurts MS.

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    4. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by Glock27 · · Score: 1
      you suck shithead - nothing you ever say contibutes anything relevant to the discussion. Are you just trying to rack up posts or what?

      Please pardon me if my post exceeded your intellectual capacity. (Hmmm, I may have just found my new .sig. ;)

      299,792,458 m/s...not just a good idea, its the law!

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    5. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by Glock27 · · Score: 1
      Maybe it boils down to the simple fact that the proposed SSSCA legislation is so outrageous and would cause so many problems that it really is getting the negative attention it deserves.

      I think so.

      In this case, I think Microsoft is simply aligning itself with it's hardware partners. They have no desire to increase their engineering and legal costs in order to cripple their machines with hardware content protection devices.

      On the other hand, Microsoft is probably very eager to control software based content protection.

      299,792,458 m/s...not just a good idea, its the law!

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    6. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by wfrp01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although these folks appear to be lining up against this particular initiative, it doesn't appear from this article that they stand against it philosophically. Their opposition derives from their loss of control. They don't want the government to interfere with their private initiatives to accomplish this same goal.

      Holling's bill says that if these guys can't all agree on a standard, that the government will intervene and mandate one. Well, how likely do you think it is that these guys will all agree on a standard? Not likely at all, and they all know it. Instead, they would prefer to get the technical details worked out, and then ask for legislative protection.

      But don't take my word for it. From the article:

      "The MPAA agrees with the goals of the Hollings bill, that is, for the private parties to negotiate an agreement on Internet standards for content encryption, watermarking (and) digital rights management," MPAA President Jack Valenti said in a statement. "When an agreement is reached by the private parties, we will all then together support appropriate legislation regarding copyright protection in digital devices."

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    7. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by Telek · · Score: 4, Troll

      I thought that Microsoft was a big propenent of screwing the little guy over

      And in the spirit of keeping an open mind, maybe, just maybe, you've been reading bashdot too much and listening to too much propaganda, and maybe, just maybe, Microsoft isn't the enemy that you thought they were...

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    8. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by gilroy · · Score: 2
      Blockquoth the poster:


      I thought that Microsoft was a big propenent of screwing the little guy over

      And in the spirit of keeping an open mind, maybe, just maybe, you've been reading bashdot too much and listening to too much propaganda, and maybe, just maybe, Microsoft isn't the enemy that you thought they were...


      Hmmm.... Could be...


      Nah, never happen.


      :)

    9. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Still, this just doesn't completely jive. I thought that Microsoft was a big propenent of screwing the little guy over for intellectual property rights. Thus, WMA DRM, right?

      You might be partially right, but Microsoft does understand the concept of not shitting in your kitchen.

      That is to say that Microsoft is comprised of geeks. While they do understand the need for copyright laws (and indeed depend on them) they also see a demand for "Pay On Demand" services that DRM could provide for us (i.e. value added services), I've never seen that Microsoft has gone out of their way to make sure that we get TOTALLY screwed, constantly, and considerably. They themselves, after all, have to use the standards they push out onto the industry. They're not just Microsoft, they're also users.

      Everyone assumes that .NET and Leased Software is a Microsoft attempt to screw everyone and everybody but in reality it may not be any better or worse, may not end up costing those it effects that much more, and it may even save them time and money if they normally upgrade often enough. The truth is, most of everything that Microsoft proposes and wants done screws the pirates more than it does anybody else.

      The legit users, if they think about it -- have nothing at all to complain about other than the principle it's self. I admit, the principle alone is enough to complain about, but if I had to pick badguys in the the IP battlefield, I could think of much worse enemies than Microsoft.

      Microsoft just wants to curb or stop Piracy, possibly illiminate it. DRM wants to create a platform for which people can legally download copyrighted material. I'm not sure how anybody can say that either of these constitute bad things in and of themselves.

      That whole monopolistic and anticompetitive thing is a different issue entirely.

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    10. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by VivianC · · Score: 2

      Still, this just doesn't completely jive. I thought that Microsoft was a big propenent of screwing the little guy over for intellectual property rights. Thus, WMA DRM, right?

      Yes, but the law says that the industry would have 18 months to set a standard. Microsoft couldn't own it or control it. All their DRM code would no longer be needed. What good is a standard that can't be 'innovated' by Microsoft?

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    11. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I thought that Microsoft was a big propenent of screwing the little guy over
      And in the spirit of keeping an open mind, maybe, just maybe, you've been reading bashdot too much and listening to too much propaganda, and maybe, just maybe, Microsoft isn't the enemy that you thought they were...
      Maybe you haven't been keeping up on Slashdot lately, so I'll fill you in: flaiming people who rag on Microsoft became passe a few months ago. Get over it.
    12. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • this just doesn't completely jive. I thought that Microsoft was a big propenent of screwing the little guy over

      Microsoft would be delighted with this proposal if they could control it. Consider that they might have been told (informally) that it's politically untenable for them to be allowed to run the proposed scheme (with the juicy big monopoly protection that brings).

      Make more sense now?

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    13. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe your right. Maybe MS isn't the big bad guy you say.

      They want me to pay a subscription to my OS (XP)?

      No, they are.

    14. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by LS · · Score: 2

      Both of you, get over it. Microsoft will do what is in their own interest. They obviously wont always do evil, because zapping everyone's hard drives wont make them a profit. But if it would, they would do it.

      LS

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    15. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by Nurgster · · Score: 2

      Oh no...

      It's not as if loads of otehr companies do that (those are two that spring to mind immediately, and that I've dealt with in the past)

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    16. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good God. Can you people just let go of saying 'blockquoth'? Nothing, and by this I mean the complete, absolute opposite of anything else, makes you sound more stupid.

    17. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by Telek · · Score: 2

      They want me to pay a subscription to my OS (XP)?

      Please point me to some sort of credible information to back up that claim.

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    18. Re:Looks like the 'giants of computing'... by gilroy · · Score: 2
      Blockquoth the poster:

      Good God. Can you people just let go of saying 'blockquoth'?


      Hmmm. I sometimes hear voices but last time I checked, I was still one person. Is there someone else on slashdot using this? I haven't run across it.


      And, of course, I will keep using it despite rants telling not to. In fact, I keep using it due to rants telling me not to.


      It doesn't really matter to me but it's amusing how worked up some people get...

  8. Available Online Anywhere? by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 1

    IRC maybe?

    I would love to see this but seeing as how it is some crappy kids cartoon no one probably bothered to record it.

    Tim

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    1. Re:Available Online Anywhere? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, CmdrTaco seems to like watching these cartoons as long as they're in Japanese. Maybe some Japanese readers like to watch American kids' cartoons?

    2. Re:Available Online Anywhere? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, it will be on again. And again. And again! The only thing they like better than re-runs is money.

  9. Maybe someone should... by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 5, Funny
    Maybe someone should show the evils of the DMCA, the MPAA and the RIAA.


    Create a little cartoon or someone trying to print an image from a movie for a school book report, and the police surrounding the house. Or maybe a someone trying to setup an ebook reader for their blind friend, and the FBI busting down the door. Or a professor talking about encryption in a classroom and the RIAA comes in with a muzzle.

    1. Re:Maybe someone should... by yulek · · Score: 1

      that makes sense the same way that anti-helmet law people say that sometimes not wearing a helmet saved someone's life (there are a few documented cases).

      no need to get silly, we all know that 99% of the sharing is people who are 1. too cheap and/or 2. too lazy to get a copy of the "item" itself.

      btw, i'm against these regulations (including helmet laws, although i will always wear one). but i'm also against stupid comments and rediculous rationalizations.

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    2. Re:Maybe someone should... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah because the only reason for DeCSS is copying images for school projects.

      When was the last time a 10 year old needed a T&A picture of (insert big titted broad here) for a english presentation?

      I know when I went to school we rarely copied mass media items except to make colleges from local newspapers.

    3. Re:Maybe someone should... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really are uninformed.

      1. People created DeCSS as an intermediate step towards the creation of a Linux DVD player. You see, commercial pirates don't need to break CSS to produce tens of thousands of counterfeit DVDs, but any DVD player must be able to descramble it.

      2. Fair Use is broader than "copying for school projects".

    4. Re:Maybe someone should... by haruharaharu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      that makes sense the same way that anti-helmet law people say that sometimes not wearing a helmet saved someone's life (there are a few documented cases).

      Such as me...

      we all know that 99% of the sharing is people who are 1. too cheap and/or 2. too lazy to get a copy of the "item" itself.

      Then explain why record sales spiked when napster came out and slumped after it got shut down.

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    5. Re:Maybe someone should... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then explain why record sales spiked when napster came out and slumped after it got shut down.

      Did it occur to you to correlate record sales with the general state of the economy? Or is only that Napster explaination suitable to your worldview?

    6. Re:Maybe someone should... by ecki · · Score: 1

      Well there's a nice Boondocks strip about the DMCA (Part 1, part 2 and part 3).

    7. Re:Maybe someone should... by flacco · · Score: 2, Interesting
      we all know that 99% of the sharing is people who are 1. too cheap


      It's too expensive


      and/or 2. too lazy to get a copy of the "item" itself.


      The media industry has done an incredibly pathetic job (ie non-existent) of providing "consumers" with convenient on-line music service.

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    8. Re:Maybe someone should... by eclectro · · Score: 1

      The problem is nobody will do it. It's a great idea, but unless you own the channel to air your cartoon, it will remain buried. That's the problem with the large media conglomerates - the minority voice never gets heard and remains burried by the shrill voice of the conglomerate's agenda.

      Of course, this is just another reason for the rest of us to boycott Disney.

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    9. Re:Maybe someone should... by dasheiff · · Score: 1

      that makes sense the same way that anti-helmet law people say that sometimes not wearing a helmet saved someone's life (there are a few documented cases).

      Ignoring this fact of course, once again the government is protecting people from themselves. Anyone who needs it to be a law to protect themselves doesn't deserve to live. If you don't want to take some safety precautions, don't. Let them die. I don't want these people running around.

    10. Re:Maybe someone should... by yulek · · Score: 1

      Ignoring this fact of course, once again the government is protecting people from themselves.

      sigh. if only you read further...

      like i said... i'm against government regulation of: helmet laws, music file sharing.

      i was responding to the uselessness of this guy's "argument". the blind people etc. i mean. c'mon. if you're going to argue the issue, do so with something relevant and reasonable.

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    11. Re:Maybe someone should... by yulek · · Score: 0, Troll

      right well. that's still not the right reason for opposing the helmet laws. the correct reason is that it's unconstitutional. that any act that does not endanger the lives or livelyhood or happiness of others in a real a way because should not be controllable by the governmen t.

      (if you want to use statistics, many many many many more people die from wearing helmets than from not wearing them.)

      and as far as your napster comment:
      gnoring this fact of course, once again the government is protecting people from themselves.

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

      you dumb sheep!

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    12. Re: Maybe someone should... by Inthewire · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      more people die from wearing helmets than from not wearing them.

      Not familiar with the Hurt report, are we? Besides, a helmet did save my life. I smashed the back of my head into the pavement and crushed my helmet. I walked away with various injuries but none to the head.
      I don't care about helmet laws, but the claim that helmets kill more people than they save (or even in significant numbers) is absurd.

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    13. Re:Maybe someone should... by Dankweed · · Score: 1

      Or possibly one about a band full of very talented musicians with a large local fan base but can never get signed because they arn't all pretty boys/girls with perfect teeth and skinny asses.

      THIS is a greater horror to humanity than ANY amount of file-sharing is to the Rapin' RIAA.

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    14. Re:Maybe someone should... by GunFodder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What are you talking about? We all know that file sharing services are used to illegally distribute copyrighted material. But the reason many oppose efforts to control this piracy is because most of the control mechanisms infringe on our current rights.

      What we need are examples of this infringement. If people saw what the IP hegemony could do to you if we gave them carte blanche to protect their "rights" then they might stop feeling guilty for "condoning piracy" and start feeling proud about supporting individual rights.

    15. Re:Maybe someone should... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should they? Online is a great way to lose money, unless your initials are AOL. I think it's been pretty intelligent of them not to jump into the internet market and drown like so many others have.

    16. Re:Maybe someone should... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be technical - the govt is not protecting you from anything, laws are unenforcable proactively with this large of a group of people. They are mearly stating that they will have revenge if you choose to ignore them and even that is difficult for them.

    17. Re: Maybe someone should... by yulek · · Score: 1

      oops. that was just a typo. i meant: many many many more people die from NOT wearing helmets than from wearing them...

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    18. Re:Maybe someone should... by Fjord · · Score: 2

      So you're saying it's an even bigger problem: that the DMCA and RIAA actually lead to the downturn of the economy. The fall of napster triggered the regression we are seeing today. Interesting...

      Yes, I'm kidding

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    19. Re:Maybe someone should... by tchuladdiass · · Score: 1

      actually, why not form a correlation? If the opposite occured (i.e., napster came out during a recession and was shut down at the beginning of a recovery), the record labels wouldn't hesitate to use it in their favor

  10. I wonder... by rant-mode-on · · Score: 1


    I wonder if this episode is gonna get pirated...

  11. If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil... by ekrout · · Score: 1, Informative

    If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil...you should watch the many infamous porn-related scenes in various Disney classics, such as the "Good teenagers...take off their clothes" line in "Aladdin", and the pen1s-shaped castles in "The Little Mermaid". This isn't a troll or flamebait -- do your research and you'll see.

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  12. Whose side is the cartoon on??? by Teancom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean, from the "spent $125 on cd's from her $.05 salary" and "the girl was arrested by the police who showed up at her door" and calling the artist "Sir-Paid-A-Lot"???!?!? This is almost word-for-word what I would have done if I was *parodying* propaganda....

    Next up, hunters using "Bambi" as material for showing why hunting is great.

    1. Re:Whose side is the cartoon on??? by tsarina · · Score: 1

      I wonder also... perhaps the actual creators were ANTI -DMCA, and snuck this past some imcompetent manager? If so... that is really cool!

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    2. Re:Whose side is the cartoon on??? by Winged+Cat · · Score: 1

      Kinda like what I think happened with that Bert cartoon and Oslama. Anonymous fingers thrust at the system one finds oneself trapped in...this could become a good trend. Or a Katz article. Both, even.

    3. Re:Whose side is the cartoon on??? by dasheiff · · Score: 1

      I mean, from the "spent $125 on cd's from her $.05 salary" and "the girl was arrested by the police who showed up at her door" and calling the artist "Sir-Paid-A-Lot"???!?!? This is almost word-for-word what I would have done if I was *parodying* propaganda....


      Anyone else worried about the fact that this is also anti-minimum wage?

    4. Re:Whose side is the cartoon on??? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      Next up, hunters using "Bambi" as material for showing why hunting is great.
      The brother of an ex-colleague turned vegetarian at age 5. His father went hunting and got his deer. While he was gutting the deer in the basement, the mother told the kid not to go downstairs...

      Well, the kid did, and screamed "YOU KILLED BAMBI" and never touched meat ever...

    5. Re:Whose side is the cartoon on??? by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "spent $125 on cd's from her $.05 salary"

      yep. stealing is wrong even if you have a miserable salary that couldn't support your drug habit (free music). Note how It's not okay to see "Sir Paid A Lot" earn a $.05 salary (He is a label artist after all) and have to get a job, but the same situation with the girl earning money and paying the label is okay.

      "Sir-Paid-A-Lot"
      That's how the label would see him. And it helps paint the artist as a victim.

      You can interpret it in may ways. Either way it is a blatant attempt at swaying the behavior of viewers.

      I aint' surprised.

    6. Re:Whose side is the cartoon on??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

  13. in the sequel by Rev.LoveJoy · · Score: 3, Funny
    ... the RIAA and MPAA goon squad break down the family's door and imprison everyone in their labor camp (making shrink wrap). The narrator goes on to tell us about a victory for comrades^H^H^H^H^H^H^H citizens everywhere!

    ... and they lived happily ever after (except for those people who tried to express themselves, or conduct research, or any of those other infidels who Spoke Out Against The State or Disney. fuck those people, they can go to shrink wrap hell!)

    Cheers,
    - RLJ

  14. As propoganda - funny but not worrisome by sam_handelman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course, I am assuming that anyone reading this thinks filesharing is great and that Disney is evil; this is true for only about 95% of the Slashdot readership, I'm sure :).

    I wouldn't worry about this sort of propoganda actually affecting children's attitudes. It's simply too clumsy (and obvious and contrived.) Children, while many people who make children's programming don't realise this, are not stupid. They can spot something phony and manipulative(which you have to admit that this is, even if you agree that filesharing is wrong) from a mile away.

    It's about as likely to drive the next generation of children away from filesharing as all those Captain Planet cartoons where to make people environmentalists. Less likely, since Captain Planet was less obviously hokey.

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    1. Re:As propoganda - funny but not worrisome by Cutriss · · Score: 1

      It's about as likely to drive the next generation of children away from filesharing as all those Captain Planet cartoons where to make people environmentalists. Less likely, since Captain Planet was less obviously hokey.

      What? You mean Mr. Planet isn't gonna take pollution down to zero? :(

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    2. Re:As propoganda - funny but not worrisome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Captain Planet, he's our hero
      Gonna take pollution down to zero.

      I used to wake up at 6:00 in the morning just to watch that propaganda.

    3. Re:As propoganda - funny but not worrisome by kajiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Were the wartime cartoons that easy to see through, at the time? I still remember that picture I saw in a wartime cartoons documentary, of Donald Duck being a loyal American patriot... *shudder* And those were directed at adults, if I'm not mistaken. Wartime cartoons were a whole industry. I remember how they parodied the Japanese as stupid yellow bunny-toothed guys and beautiful geisha spies. Sure, to us who have seen the light, it's just droll. But to those who haven't?

      There's a sucker born every minute, as PT Barnum put it. And with the birth rates of this century, that probably equals about 1/60 of the entire world population. 100 million suckers... eep, I think I know now why I'm sitting and hiding in front of the computer all day long.

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    4. Re:As propoganda - funny but not worrisome by dasheiff · · Score: 1

      It's about as likely to drive the next generation of children away from filesharing as all those Captain Planet cartoons where to make people environmentalists. Less likely, since Captain Planet was less obviously hokey.

      Actually I disagree, I watched that show as a child and though the pollution was very bad, and this was clearly a cause I should be for. It wasn't till I learned the science of what was going on before I realized that to be an environmentalist doesn't mean you know anything about environmental biology, just love trees. There's nothing we can do to 'destroy' the earth though pollution, only make out own lives miserable. Yes we're losing interesting species in the rain forest, but the trees will grow right back up in 100 years. Maybe long for us but not for the earth. And when energy actually becomes a concern we'll jump onto something else. We could all be running off antimatter, made in space and transported down to earth. Cost efficient and everything, just we already have a system in place which have money and don't want things to change.

    5. Re:As propoganda - funny but not worrisome by The+Milky+Bar+Kid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Children, while many people who make children's programming don't realise this, are not stupid.

      Disney never realized this. How many Disney short cartoons do you remember? (personally, 2 or 3).

      Now how many Warner Bros. short cartoons do you remember (200, 300...). The Warner Bros. cartoons were always written so adults would find them funny - and so, kids found them funny.

      Though then I remember the Warner Bros. cartoon where two mice were discussing the advantages of free-market capitalism. That was some wierd shit there.

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    6. Re:As propoganda - funny but not worrisome by JohnPM · · Score: 1


      Children, while many people who make children's programming don't realise this, are not stupid. They can spot something phony and manipulative(which you have to admit that this is, even if you agree that filesharing is wrong) from a mile away.


      This is simply not true. Children may or may not dismiss something as phoney the first time they see it, but repeated doses will eventually wear them down. This has phenomenom been studied at great depth and in layman's terms it's known as brainwashing. It has nothing to do with being stupid or not. All people are susceptible to it, but children are the most vulnerable.

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    7. Re:As propoganda - funny but not worrisome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree--remember those "knowing is half the battle" things after GI JOE? I used to make fun of those back when I was like maybe 6 years old because you could just TELL that it wasn't part of the real cartoon.

    8. Re:As propoganda - funny but not worrisome by FyRE666 · · Score: 0


      Children, while many people who make children's programming don't realise this, are not stupid. They can spot something phony and manipulative(which you have to admit that this is, even if you agree that filesharing is wrong) from a mile away.

      Have you ever watched MTV??? This still seems to pull in the viewers, despite being a puppet show for the big record companies...

    9. Re:As propoganda - funny but not worrisome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't meant to be for the children. If you ever watched cartoons, then you know that most of them are written on a level for adults that will also appeal to children. This particular episode was obviously geared towards parents and showing THEM how "evil" file sharing is. Let's face it, most of the parents of people who are file sharing have no clue about the issues behind it and they are the ones who are more likely to be predisposed to see it as stealing anyway. So these cartoons may look like harmless propaganda to us but parents may or may not see it that way. These children will then take the view that their parents give them (like it or not we all do it until we find our own "voice" or opinions) and run with it. If you are Disney and you want parents to think that file sharing is bad (thus teaching the children file sharing is bad...) this is exactly how you do it. You make fun of yourself just enough to make it look like a parody but you put all the right ingredients in to stress your side of the argument. Treat file sharing as an addiction (that's always bad right?) and the kid who wrote the program as a sort of drug dealer but not make the musicians and music companies out to be total good guys either. It hits at the truth just enough to bend it to their way of thinking.

      Can't log in for some reason so had to post annonymous.

      Bkr1_2k

    10. Re:As propoganda - funny but not worrisome by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      The thing I didn't understand about Captain Planet is that if you shot him with crude oil from a pipeline or something he would be weakened...yet crude oil is a natural substance straight from nature! A lot of that show seemed to be about Jane Fonda/hippie environmental extremism.

      The only good episode, in hindsight, is the one where the evil, fat guy started selling gas guzzling cars that pollute heavily. All of the sheeple were buying the cars in droves and polluting the air in their towns like no tomorrow. At the time I thought, "what kind of people would be stupid enough to drive big, useless cars that pollute so much?" Several years later, SUV's became popular and my question was answered.

  15. Why? by trinity93 · · Score: 0

    Why not?
    Why Ask why?
    What you think i know everything?

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  16. damn, slashdotted again by jayhawk88 · · Score: 1

    What is that, like 4 or 5 today? Do these site admins sit on IRC all day, warn each other or something?

  17. hmm, site doesn't work. by jon_c · · Score: 2

    the official Disney page for the show is here, I didn't see anything about "anti-file swapping" on the site. From the looks of the flash promo it seems to be a post ren n' stimpy style modern urban comedy.

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    1. Re:hmm, site doesn't work. by The+Truth+Is+Out+The · · Score: 0
      From the looks of the flash promo it seems to be a post ren n' stimpy style modern urban comedy.


      Ummmm, is not "urban" a codeword for "nigger" in modern parlance? I wouldn't be a bit surprised it Disney put an "urban" cartoon on the air, because Disney has been spewing leftist, race-mixing propoganda ever since the Jews took over.

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    2. Re:hmm, site doesn't work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please...

      "post ren n' stimpy"... sheesh!

      post magic school bus is more like it.

  18. Not funny anymore when its news by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 2
    Ok, it's kinda funny. More pointed is the reporting on ABC news (owned by disney). I wonder how napster got reported there.

    As an aside, amazingly enough, the only place where i've seen anything close to fair reporting on a parent compant was...*gasp* MSNBC

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  19. Oh no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're assimilating the public! But wait, there is hope...

    ...Slashdotting! Yes, our unique weapon against any site we link to! (maybe we should link to other pro-DMCA pages...)

    /.! It's not illegal... yet...

  20. Interesting... by SinisterAngel · · Score: 1

    That sir-paid-alot or whatever the fuck his name is, is complaining about not getting his million bucks, yet he doesn't give a rip about shelling out $125 on that 5 cent salary. Now, Im quite conservative, but the message disney is sending is fucked.

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    1. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could it be they are trying to show both sides of the issue?

    2. Re:Interesting... by schtum · · Score: 1

      no.

  21. What's to say? by Theodore+Logan · · Score: 1
    Only now when I have grown older do I realize that the media company that has provided me with most of my values and principles (yes, that sounds silly, but it's probably true about you as well) by careful indoctrination since childhood is actually the evil empire.

    What freaks me out is that I can't tell whether they were spewing out propaganda back then too, or if they became the borg only in recent years. News like this make me suspect the world would benefit greatly if someone carefully analyzed Snow White, Fantasia, The Little Mermaid etc. I wouldn't be surprised if one were two find more than a couple of satanic messages when they are played backwards.

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  22. Ironic.. by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 4, Insightful
    that it's Disney that takes classic (lewd!!) stories like "Cinderella", "Show White and the Seven Dwarves" etc, dresses them up, reworks the characters to be a little more palatable, and sells them as "Disney's {%title%}".

    While it's not technically 'stealing'...neither is time shifting or are fair use backups, but Disney characterizes them as 'stealing'.

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    1. Re:Ironic.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fair use backups only apply when you actually own a copy you dork.

      When was the last time you bought a DVD [assuming you've bought one before] and copied it to your HD just for "safe keepings".

      I dunno about you but I own [as in legally bought] about 50 DVDs [wow ...not the point] and 50 x 7GB is a heck of a lot of disk space....

    2. Re:Ironic.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the ultra-light-weight laptops that achieve their low weight by omitting any sort of optical drive? How do you keep the low travel weight and still watch movies in the airport if you can't temporarily copy a DVD you own from an external drive to the HD?

    3. Re:Ironic.. by haruharaharu · · Score: 2

      Fair use also means being able to excerpt parts of a work, such as Schindler's List for criticism, parody, or whatever. In parts of Europe, fairuse means making a copy for a friend

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    4. Re:Ironic.. by SubtleNuance · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In Canada, because we pay a levy on CDRs, you can make copies of any audio CD you please.

    5. Re:Ironic.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can make a copy for your own personal use, but you can't make a copy for a friend. http://neil.eton.ca/copylevy.shtml

    6. Re:Ironic.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The simple answer is NO, but you can legally copy your friend's audio CD for YOUR OWN use."

      but you can make a copy "from" a friend... wink wink!

    7. Re:Ironic.. by Kwil · · Score: 1

      Well.. at least we can until they start using SecureAudio and those other non-copyable CD's.

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    8. Re:Ironic.. by myLobster · · Score: 1

      and now their available to buy on *Disney* DVD - like they developed the format.

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    9. Re:Ironic.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what? you mean you've never heard of slashdot dvd or linux dvd or mpaa dvd or fox dvd or abc dvd or disney dvd, oh wait.... (looped)

    10. Re:Ironic.. by Alsee · · Score: 1

      In Canada, because we pay a levy on CDRs, you can make copies of any audio CD you please.

      If I never record music on my CDR's do I still have to pay the music tax penalty?

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    11. Re:Ironic.. by WWWWolf · · Score: 1
      In Canada, because we pay a levy on CDRs, you can make copies of any audio CD you please.

      Bhahaha. Sorry, I laugh every time I see comments like this.

      It's not that I'd be against the idea - in Finland we have similiar levy on all recordable media (in case of recordable CDs, ranging from 0.015 to 0.03 FIM per minute) and it doesn't seem to show too heavily in media prices - but...

      ...it's time to learn some Finnish: CDs are called "CD-levy" in Finnish. =)

    12. Re:Ironic.. by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      If you don't like Disney's version of Snow White, you can watch Rammstein's version on the bonus CD that comes with their latest album. There is something rather wholesome about a dwarf getting spanked and Snow White shooting up gold dust.

    13. Re:Ironic.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes

    14. Re:Ironic.. by Katharine · · Score: 1

      Actually, the reason that Disney's use of "classic" folktales like Cinderella and Snow White is not "stealing" is because there is no one to steal the stories from. The stories themselves (though not necessarily a given version of them) are in the *public domain*-- not protected by anyone's copyright.

      However, I do agree with your point that it is ironic that Disney does make heavy use of public domain materials and yet would like to prevent anyone else from using their materials as inspiration for new works.

      This irony that you describe is not in Disney's stance against "unauthorized copying" but in its stance against the public domain. Back in 1998, concerned about the fact that the earliest Mickey Mouse cartoons were about to fall into the public domain, Disney (and some other movie companies) lobbied like CRAZY to pass the "Sony Bono Copyright Extension Act" which retroactively extended the period of copyright protection for an extra 20 years.

      Watch for more lobbying from Disney in about 2015.

      --Katharine

  23. kiddie scare tactics by mc2Kleen · · Score: 1

    Dear kids, downloading doesn't give you hairy palms and make you go blind ... oh, wait, I guess it depends on what you download.

  24. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by Gaijin42 · · Score: 1

    The phallic castles are real. The alladin line is wrong, check out the article on snopes link

  25. Newsforge Comments by brunes69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I always find it funny whenever slashdot links to a NewsForge article, which obviously would get thousands of hits from that linking, and yet only has 3 or 4 comments, while the slashdot post has several hundred. A question to everyone, why do you never comment on the NewsForge site itself? I'm just curious.

    1. Re:Newsforge Comments by SinisterAngel · · Score: 1

      Because slashdot has indoctrinated(sp?) us ;)

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    2. Re:Newsforge Comments by Error27 · · Score: 1

      It's sometimes bad form...

      Some web pages feel like they have been invaded when a major website links to them. All these clueless posters start giving an opinion when they may not know the culture or the author of the story or whatever.

    3. Re:Newsforge Comments by tinahdee · · Score: 1

      Shamelessly, I can say that NewsForge doesn't feel that way at all. Please violate our culture.

      Tina G.

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    4. Re:Newsforge Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about all the trolls and crapflooders violate your asshole in serial?

    5. Re:Newsforge Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well as newsforge and /. are both owned by the same folks I would be hard pressed to find that an insult

  26. Stupid Disney :) by PaperTie · · Score: 1

    First, no one ever downloaded a song *from* Napster. The software let you find a song and download it from another independant computer. Second, why does this sound like propaganda aimed at little kids to me? "Don't download music from the internet or no one will ever love you!!"

    And another thing! :)

    I don't recall it ever being proved that Napster directly caused CD sales to go down.

  27. Futurama? by ocie · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wasn't this already done in Futurama, when Fry downloaded Lucy Liu's personality and appearance from kidnapster.com into a robot?

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    1. Re:Futurama? by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1
      "Wasn't this already done in Futurama, when Fry downloaded Lucy Liu's personality and appearance from kidnapster.com into a robot?
      "
      Yeah, but that was funny, and was obviosly a parody making fun of the anti napster people. I really doubt that anyone was swayed not to use napster by it.
    2. Re:Futurama? by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Indeed they did, but Diznee did not have Matt Groening, so of course it would have to be a lousy onesided PC story. Would not surprice me if it ended with the words ",and DON'T do drugs!".

      Remember he also did The Cartridge Family where Homer buys a gun to protect his family and joins NRA, driving Marge and the kids away from home whith his careless use of firearms :-)
      (note that Matt is not against NRA, he is a member)
      That show was not shown in some countries even though it in the end displays that the local members of the NRA in Springfield,?? are not a bunch of trigger happy dudes but cancels Homers membership.

      This only shows the difference between the two series, where (in my opinion) "Proud Family" is nothing more than a money making scheme, The Simpsons has a lot more substance even though they got hit pretty bad by the PC wave.
      No more will we see lines like this from Selma's Choice:
      -[ANTI_LAMENES_FILTER_INSTEAD OF NICE CLEAN SEPERATOR STRING HERE]-
      Lisa: [reading from the pamphlet] The Duff Beer-amid contains so much
      aluminum it would take five men to lift it. Twenty-two immigrant
      laborers died during its construction.
      Selma: Eh, there's plenty more where that came from.
      -[ANTI_LAMENES_FILTER_INSTEAD OF NICE CLEAN SEPERATOR STRING HERE]-

      Oh, I guess I got a bit carried away here. What I am trying to say here is that don't forget where the series are coming for and what do expect. C'mon Disney. The alltime fluffy feelgod company? The rewrote the ending of "The Little Mermaid", they would never have made true to the story of Hans Christian Andersen where she dies.

      (on a totally unrelated note: everytime I sit down and try to write something serious /. craps out on me and have to wait for ages to log in again.
      I have made it a habbit to cut'n'paste it before I press Submit or preview)

    3. Re:Futurama? by Satai · · Score: 2

      (note that Matt is not against NRA, he is a member)

      Can you verify this? I'm fairly certain all the jokes in the 138th episode spectacular were just jokes. The cash register actually doesn't say NRA4EVR, but something like 847.63 - the average cost of raising a baby for a week or something like that.

      All I've heard about Matt's politics were stories about him hanging out with the Zappa clan in the 80's.

    4. Re:Futurama? by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Indeed they did, but Diznee did not have Matt Groening, so of course it would have to be a lousy onesided PC story. Would not surprice me if it ended with the words ",and DON'T do drugs!".

      Heh, reminds me of this episode of Futurama: (paraphrased of course)

      Fry : Why do you drink so much?
      Bender: Because it helps keep my circuits clean and functioning.
      (so you figure it's a stupid public service announcement to keep kids from drinking)
      Bender lights up a cigar.
      Fry: Well why do you smoke?
      Bender: Because it makes me look cool.

    5. Re:Futurama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love that episode. Homer using his gun to open beer cans and change the channel on the TV is classic. I can almost see that happening in a trailer home somewhere deep in Kentucky.

    6. Re:Futurama? by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

      No I can't verify it as I don't have access to the members database. :-) I have read it on the internet(so it must be true) and from a documentary about the Simpsons that I saw on TV, but then again, they might have been surfing the net too.

  28. Will somebody please post this cartoon on Gnutella by BroadbandBradley · · Score: 1, Redundant

    ;-)

    I'd like to see it played out

  29. When you pirate MP3, you're downloading COMMUNISM by Theodore+Logan · · Score: 1
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  30. So the moral is... by neema · · Score: 2, Funny

    After realizing that "Downloadin' is stealin'", she went back to spending "$125 on CDs with her five-cent salary".

    The moral is: spend 2500 times your salary on us or you're going to jail.

  31. What's next? by marijnm · · Score: 2, Funny

    An episode where Bill Gates shows up at a kid's doorstep complaining that he is poor?

    I think it's time for open source cartoons ;)

    Marijn

    1. Re:What's next? by Ender7A · · Score: 0

      I know you were kidding but that is actually not a bad idea. I would love to see some cartoons that show the OTHER side of the story(artist not getting paid by the RIAA, RIAA paying off congressment to pass stupid laws, FBI arresting 12 year old kids and calling them terrorist because they tried to access someones computer..etc..etc.)

    2. Re:What's next? by LegendLength · · Score: 1

      It's more effective if you have a large audience like Disney though...How about we talk to AOL about a merger with OSS?

  32. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by mdecerbo · · Score: 1, Informative
    do your research and you'll see...


    ...that this is an urban legend; the line (which Aladdin mutters to Jasmine's pet tiger), is "Scat, good tiger, take off and go."



    But the story got picked up by the same credulous
    wackos who insist the Procter and Gamble logo is Satanic, and now it won't die...

  33. Yes folks, we've just seen the penultimate in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SOCIAL ENGINEERING! Damn, I can't believe they would stoop this low. Using their own medium to prevent piracy...

  34. Just Say NO by CoffeeJedi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    hmmmm... sound familiar?
    Remember back in the 80's when we as children were all assaulted with those terrible anti-drug ads from the mind of Nancy Reagan? The "this is your brain on drugs" ad being singled out as the possibly least effective ad of all time? Now, after seeing our favorite cartoon characters turn down drugs and tell us how "bad" they were... what effect did it have?
    Most of us got to college (maybe even high school), opened our minds, tried some pot, maybe liked it, and have a pretty non-chalant view of things... maybe even smoking up every now and then. Those who don't do drugs do so for their own reasons, not because Arnold on "Diff'rent Strokes" told them not to. So the effect on today's kids will be exactly zero. If anything, they'll realize the lame "do-gooder" condescending attitude, and another piece of tripe will become unpopular and get cancelled.

    btw: have you written your representives about the SSSCA yet? i have!

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    1. Re:Just Say NO by Jeremi · · Score: 2
      I suspect this will have an effect very similar to the "Just Say No" campaign:


      Television: Kids! Don't download free music off the Internet, it's wrong!


      Kid: I can get music for free off the Internet? Cool! (heads off to the computer room)


      I want to see this episode; from the write-ups I can't tell if it's propaganda, parody, or something else. So I'm off to the file-sharing service to find a copy... :^)

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    2. Re:Just Say NO by aralin · · Score: 2
      Not only zero effect. Its proven on case of Neitherland and others that if pot would not have this 'just-being-a-little-bad' taste of protesting against something, its usage rate would drop by more than 70%.

      These adds are going to tell to the kids that there are alternatives to buying CD's and that they will be cool if they will 'protest' this way.

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    3. Re:Just Say NO by TGK · · Score: 2

      Yea, the adds were crap. The parodies they generated were hysterical.

      This is your brain

      This is your brain on drugs

      This is your brain with a side order of bacon

      Your brain, part of this complete breakfast!

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    4. Re:Just Say NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its proven on case of Neitherland and others that if pot would not have this 'just-being-a-little-bad' taste of protesting against something, its usage rate would drop by more than 70%.

      I think people just like smoking marijuana. Ever think of that?

    5. Re:Just Say NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Remember back in the 80's when we as children"

      umm no...... moer utter bs from slahsdot children.

    6. Re:Just Say NO by aralin · · Score: 1

      Of course, they do, just not all of them who are doing it now. Especially not all between 18 and 25. Hey, its just statistics and I am mathematician, thats all what interests me in this subject :)

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    7. Re:Just Say NO by Suidae · · Score: 1
      Remember back in the 80's when we as children were all assaulted with those terrible anti-drug ads from the mind of Nancy Reagan?

      By the way, the anti-drug propaganda in schools is as bad now as it ever has been. The local school has a big campaign running next week. They make all the kids wear slippers and have 'give drugs the slip!' posters everywhere.

    8. Re:Just Say NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehehe, this is your brain on drugs...

      Huhuhuhu...cooool....where do I get some of THAT shit?

      jik-

    9. Re:Just Say NO by nycdewd · · Score: 1

      Ha! You ARE kiddeez, yet! You should have seen the blatant LIES they shoved at us in the 60's about the evils of drugs, ever seen the movie "Reefer Madness"? Well, the anti-drug propaganda in the 60's was not far removed from that. "Just Say No" was the epitome of sophistication by comparison. Forty years ago it was all about "smoke the evil marijuana and you will kill your parents after the first puff!", or take acid and you'd be in an insane asylum for the rest of your life. "...anti-drug propaganda in schools is as bad now as it ever has been." Right... On yer bike!

    10. Re:Just Say NO by Detritus · · Score: 2

      I liked the "acid will screw up your chromosomes and your kids will look like the creature from the black lagoon" meme. Excuse me while I stare at the Sun, put the baby in the microwave and practice flying off the roof.

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    11. Re:Just Say NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of which, the new adds they are running for anti-smoking are just lame as hell.

    12. Re:Just Say NO by beru777 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Got to quote bill hicks here !


      I knew we were in trouble with that damn egg commercial, that guy.

      I knew that was the government's take on drugs, we're fucked, you know. "Here's your brain." I've seen a lot of weird shit on drugs, I have never ever ever ever ever looked at an egg and thought it was a fucking brain, not once, all right? I have seen UFO's split the sky like a sheet, but I have never ever ever looked at an egg and thought it was a fucking brain, not once. I have had seven balls of light come off of a UFO, lead me onto their ship, explain to me telepathically that we are all one and there is no such thing as death, but I have never ever ever ever ever looked at an egg, and thought it was a fucking brain. Now. Maybe I wasn't getting good shit. I admit it, I see that commercial, I feel cheated. Hey, where's the stuff that makes eggs look like brains? That sounds neat. Did I quit too soon? What is that, CIA stash? You see the guy in that commercial, that guy's got a beer gut- "All right, this is it. Look up, man. This is your brain. I ain't doing this again. That's your - " The guy's drunk and doing this fucking commercial. "Here's your brain." That's an egg! That's a frying pan, that's a stove, you're an alcoholic, dude, I'm tripping right now, and I still see that is a fucking egg, all right? I see the UFO's around it, but that is a goddamn egg in the middle. There's a hobbit eating it, but, goddamn it, that hobbit is eating a fucking egg. He's on a unicorn, but that dam-up-nup-oh-hop, that's a fucking egg, yeah. How dare you have a wino tell me not to do drugs.

    13. Re:Just Say NO by mdwebster · · Score: 1

      Hilarious! Bill Hicks was the man.

      He had a voice that was strong and loud, we'll miss him.

    14. Re:Just Say NO by canadian+troll · · Score: 0

      what is the propaganda like in schools these days? im never up early enough to see the cartoons on saturdays any more, and my kid is 5 years away from going to school (newborn)... but problem being, everything i was taught told me that my kid would be a mental defect of sorts because i have done many drugs in my earlier years. but she came out just fine... sometimes the lies put forth by our north american culture really fucking bother me... well, time to go home and hit the bong :)

  35. Nice idea.. by SinisterAngel · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't be surprised if Disney lawyers are watching this thread right now. They are probably even writing up a cease and desist letter as we post.

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  36. Wow by netrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow. This is the first time I've seen the airing of a piece of blatant, unapologetic propaganda directed at children since the World War 2 era. Sure, it's been around to a certain extent since then, but always in a very underhanded, not-so-easy-to-detect form. You've got to hand it to the content-direction people at Disney, they must have balls the size of tank bearings to pull a stunt like this. I honestly don't know whether to be appalled or impressed.

    1. Re:Wow by jmoriarty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is the first time I've seen the airing of a piece of blatant, unapologetic propaganda directed at children since the World War 2 era

      Really? Then you missed Joe Camel. I never gave much credence to that fellow until a friend's four year old son pointed at Joe on the side of a bus one day and said "Look, daddy, a camel! He smokes!"

      I doubt it will make him pick up a cigarette in the face of parental education to the contrary, but it did influence him.

    2. Re:Wow by MrBogus · · Score: 3, Informative

      You missed the episode of What's Happenin? where the Doobie Brothers appear and lecture Rerun and the kids on the evils of "dubbing".

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    3. Re:Wow by bellings · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is the first time I've seen the airing of a piece of blatant, unapologetic propaganda directed at children since the World War 2 era.

      Yeah, the "Just say No" and "D.A.R.E." programs are aimed squarely at adults.

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    4. Re:Wow by eclectro · · Score: 1

      I dont't think aiming propaganda like this at kids is particularly "funny", and shouldn't have been put in the Slashdot's "it's funny, laugh" category.

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    5. Re:Wow by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

      Especially Michael Jackson, D.A.R.E. was his brainchild y'know... That's why in the early 90's, they had parody bumper stickers that said 'D.A.R.E.: To Keep Childred Away From Michael Jackson!'

      Ohhh the ironyyyyy...

      And Michael Jackson had a 3D show at Disneyland/world for a few years to boot...

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    6. Re:Wow by Goonie · · Score: 2
      Hmmm. I think most of Disney's output has been propaganda with a fairly simple message:

      BUY OUR MERCHANDISE

      It's been pretty effective, too :)

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    7. Re:Wow by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 2

      Holy fucknuggets... I remember seeing that one!! Sure didn't have any affect on me. Though wasn't it about "bootlegging" and Rerun bringing a tape recorder to a concert?

    8. Re:Wow by OmegaDan · · Score: 2
      This is the first time I've seen the airing of a piece of blatant, unapologetic propaganda directed at children since the World War 2 era.

      Haven't been to church latley have ya ?

    9. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh wow. i forgot.. /. isnt "propaganda"... must slap head several more times...

    10. Re:Wow by donglekey · · Score: 2

      That would be more sunday school and private schooling. Church is more propaganda for all ages.

    11. Re:Wow by AbsoluteRelativity · · Score: 0

      What I find interesting, is how for example that Dinosaur movie from disney (pixar I believe) that came out some time ago, the theme of it was about working together to scare off the nasty dinosaurs but the leader was trying to do the survival of the fittest thing where you dont help the weak, etc. That gave me the idea that some people at Disney were not necesarily all polarized to the same view about copyrights. At least in that I could see gnutella as working together. It wasnt as clear a message but for some reason I had the feeling it was not pro-disney propoganda and quite to the contrary. I guess their lawyers are starting to write their stories.

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    12. Re:Wow by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      You missed the episode of What's Happenin? where the Doobie Brothers appear and lecture Rerun and the kids on the evils of "dubbing".

      I got the urge to see this Disney film a few pages below your post. I checked a couple out (eDonkey2000 couldn't connect, nor could BearShare) and decided to download Limewire . You mentioned the Doobie Brothers -- check out the ad from the download page!

      MP3 Fans: Get Your Gear Here
      Whether you like to compress Korn or download the Doobie Brothers, CNET is your complete source for MP3 players, audio storage space, and much more.
      Get started here:
      Compare Leading MP3 Players
      Bid on Storage at CNET Auctions
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      Note: Go ahead and check out CNET's services; your download will continue uninterrupted in the background.

      I guess the CNET producers saw the episode. ;-)

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    13. Re:Wow by Evil+MarNuke · · Score: 1
      Yeah, the "Just say No" and "D.A.R.E." programs are aimed squarely at adults.

      LOL!!! I know allot of drug users that put D.A.R.E. stickers on their cars to keep the cops away!! And it works!!

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    14. Re:Wow by kel-tor · · Score: 1

      I prefer, "Just say, Know" -- tim leary

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  37. still waiting.. by jevan · · Score: 1


    I'm still waiting for all this free mp3 trading to actually make Albulm sales go down.

  38. Sounds intresting by delmoi · · Score: 2, Redundant

    Anyone got a Divx copy?

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    1. Re:Sounds intresting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would be unbearably ironic would be if someone actually got in trouble for making illegal copies of Disney's propaganda. Because, as you all know, when people make propaganda, the last thing they want is for it to spread and be seen...

    2. Re:Sounds intresting by Danse · · Score: 2

      the last thing they want is for it to spread and be seen...


      More like spread and be seen and analyzed for all the misinformation, errors of omission, and outright lies it contains.

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    3. Re:Sounds intresting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean as in Circuit City DIVX?

      Just let the studios get away with pushing garbage such as the DMCA and the SSSCA, and pretty soon we'll have a DIVX-like system (in place of owning your own videos) once more.

  39. What really happens... by Boulder+Geek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Along about the time Sir Paid Alot complains about his 5 cent royalty check, his lawyer looks at his contract:

    "Lets see, your advance was $500,000, your touring cost was $1,000,000, the label gets 50% of the gate on your gigs, and your royalty rate on CD's is only half what it is for vinyl. Boy, you're lucky you got a whole nickel!"

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  40. Names have been changed to protect the innocent... by HasNoName · · Score: 1

    Newsforge doesn't want to load on my end, so I can't see the summary yet. I just hope and pray that Blueboy is involved somehow, or at least a debate about the issue with Howard Hessemann.

  41. Steamboat Willie, v2.0 by Cutriss · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mickey is just havin' a blast, piloting his little steamboat down the ol' Mississip'. He's whistling a little tune that sounds mysteriously like "Whistle While You Work" (Which of course, Disney owns). Suddenly, a huge lizard leaps from a nearby bush into the cockpit of the steamboat, screaming "GRRR!!! I'M HILARY ROSEN!!! YOU DIDN'T PAY FOR THE DISTRIBUTION RIGHTS FOR THAT SONG, YOU THIEF!!! PAY UP NOW!!!". Mickey is scared, but he sheepishly pulls out his cartoon pockets to demonstrate that they are empty, and Mr. Mouse doesn't have any money. Hilary punches Mickey twice, knocks him out, puts handcuffs on his hands and feet, and runs his steamboat aground. She leaps off the deck while clutching at his neck, and in the mean time, lots of bipedal dogs in black suits with sunglasses proceed to hack Mickey's boat to pieces with pickaxes. The end.

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    1. Re:Steamboat Willie, v2.0 by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1

      I think it was Robin Williams who said of Disney's financial attitudes: "Do you know why Mickey Mouse has no thumbs? It's so he can't pick up the cheques..."

      Tim

  42. I so love how by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    companies try to teach kids what's hip and with it by using their peers.

    You don't have to prove your love

    Zip it!

    I don't have to smoke to be cool.
    I'm just going to set here and rock out with my guitar.

  43. pinhead stupid disney geeks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they should write the episode to reflect
    monopolistic media empires as evil:

    "just by watching the eveal mouse
    you contribute to the downfail of civilization"

    Oh, I'm sorry, bin laden already wrote that
    script.

    What a bunch of pinheads those disney geeks are.

  44. Anti? by gnovos · · Score: 2

    I admit I haven't seen the show, but how couldanyone think that a rap star named "Sir Paid-a-lot" helps to advocate anti-piracy? Unless there are some serious differences between the "review" and the actual show, this sounds a whole lot like a PRO-Piracy cartoon.

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    1. Re:Anti? by NonSequor · · Score: 2
      That and a couple of other things seemed like a weak attempt at showing both sides of the story. From what I saw, it looked like the show ended with an anti-piracy message.

      The people who made the cartoon may have even thought that they fairly showed both sides of the issue. People tend to have trouble realizing when they're biased.

      Of course, this is all after reading the article which comes from a source which has its own biases, and I haven't seen the cartoon for myself. *Shrug*.

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  45. Last time I checked... by DzugZug · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    ...downloading pirated music IS stealing. And because so many people cannot behave ethicaly, we are all going to end up with computers that wont let us copy. It's kind of like installing devices in cars that won't let us speed. Immoral behavior doesn't justify oppression but the threat of oppression doesn't justify immoral behavior either.

    1. Re:Last time I checked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No downloading music isn't stealing. At most downloading might be a copyright violation, assuming the artist that created the music decided to trade their rights for a fistful of dollars. Anyways, no downloading music is not stealing.

    2. Re:Last time I checked... by spectecjr · · Score: 1

      No downloading music isn't stealing. At most downloading might be a copyright violation, assuming the artist that created the music decided to trade their rights for a fistful of dollars. Anyways, no downloading music is not stealing.

      Funny... both are illegal. And yes, it's stealing. Same root: you took something that you didn't have the right to take.

      Simon

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    3. Re:Last time I checked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copyright infringement isn't stealing, otherwise it would be called stealing not copyright infringement. And you assume all artists are greedy capitalists who use musical art to fatten their pockets with cash. Not all are artists are greedy tools of large corporations like the ones you hear on the radio.

    4. Re:Last time I checked... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Both are indeed illegal. Yet piracy remains copyright infringement, not stealing. Stealing involves taking something and thus depriving the rightful owner of it.

      Copying something does not involve taking, deprivation, or even anything capable of being owned. (copyrights are ownable, content is not)

      These are fine differences, but they're there.

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    5. Re:Last time I checked... by Private+Essayist · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "Last time I checked...downloading pirated music IS stealing."


      Check again. It ain't necessarily so, and the legalities of this issue are being worked out as we speak. Or perhaps I should say the buying of new laws is being handled as we speak. But under traditional copyright law (i.e. laws more than a couple of years old), fair use rules allow for some downloading. Furthermore, if you own the CD already, and decide to just grab the MP3 off Gnutella instead of ripping from your CD, that isn't illegal either.

      Yes, some aspects of file sharing go too far (according to copyright laws), but not ALL downloading of music is stealing. Only the corporations want us to believe it, and sadly most of the public is buying this lie. And, of course, with new corruption to the copyright laws taking place every year, your statement may well be true someday in every sense. But it isn't right now, not while the issue is still being fought in the courts, and in the court of public opinion. So I repeat: Check again -- this issue is not as black-and-white as the corporate propaganda tells us it is.

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    6. Re:Last time I checked... by Mr.+Piccolo · · Score: 1

      Right.

      How come if you "steal" my music, I still have it then?

      Oh well, IHBT.

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    7. Re:Last time I checked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just downloading is stealing! One time i came home and my roommate was taping my pink floyd cd, so i called the cops and told them to arrest him for stealing my music. They just laughed at me though, but that's becuase they where probably communists.

    8. Re:Last time I checked... by spectecjr · · Score: 1

      How come if you "steal" my music, I still have it then?

      Well, good luck to you if you want to get anything in return for it. Because you won't.

      I've just reduced the value of your music to zero, because I can spread it far and wide.

      If you were planning on making a living making and selling your own music, you're now SOL.

      Would you call that stealing from you? I would.

      Simon

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    9. Re:Last time I checked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if I only download songs I've already heard on the radio? Wouldn't that just be time-shifting? If they're going to play them over the open airwaves for free, they should be free for the taking.

    10. Re:Last time I checked... by spectecjr · · Score: 1

      And you assume all artists are greedy capitalists who use musical art to fatten their pockets with cash. Not all are artists are greedy tools of large corporations like the ones you hear on the radio

      I'd like to see you make the same statement to your landlord. When you're three months late on the rent, you can say "But I'm an artist! And not all artists are greedy capitalists!", and everything will be okay...

      ... and then you'll arrive in the real world, and realize that whatever you're smoking -- or whatever some people are feeding you -- is some utopian Star Trek bullshit that will never make it in the real world.

      As long as humans are mortal, you'll have these problems. Because things take *time* to make, and that time is part of your life you can never get back. Most people want to be compensated for that.

      Simon

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    11. Re:Last time I checked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up troll.

    12. Re:Last time I checked... by Catbeller · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Reducing the value of something to its intrinsic worth is not "stealing". Stealing is the deprivation of property from a victim. Copying music does not deprive the writer of the music; it can only arguably deprive him/her of the money he/she might have made --and that is highly debateable, since artists see little to none of the money made by labels selling the music.
      The whole concept of "Stealing" is a wordfuck, a lie, a purposeful confusion of concepts to create a false fact, ie copying music=stealing the music.
      The only possible crime is unauthorized distribution, which is a COMMERCIAL, CIVIL, offense. Or at least used to be, before the wordfuck of "Steal" began.

    13. Re:Last time I checked... by gilroy · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Blockquoth the poster:

      I've just reduced the value of your music to zero, because I can spread it far and wide.


      That would be because the actual value of the music is zero, in plain and simple economic terms. Copyright exists -- allegedly -- to artificially raise the value from zero to enough to induce people to share their creations. As such, a very reasonable argument can be made that it is not stealing, even though infringement is illegal.



      The language does matter. Copyright infringement is illegal and, generally, wrong as well. But it is not stealing, it is not theft, and it is most certainly not piracy... last time I checked, Napster didn't encourage rape and pillage on the high seas.

    14. Re:Last time I checked... by srvivn21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Personally, I'd welcome the exposure. Then more people would come to my concerts, I'd sell more tickets, be able to book bigger venues. Yeah, that would really suck.

    15. Re:Last time I checked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would pay him with either

      a) money from a day job that generates revenue through a modern business model.

      b) or i would pay him with the money i made from live performances.

      And then you would arrive in the real world, not the corporate distopia big business has been feeding you.

      I suppose in your corporate fantasy world music and musicians did not exist prior to the creation of copyright law.

    16. Re:Last time I checked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the only value of your music is how much cash your can remove from other peoples pockets in exchange for it, well it must really sound like shit, real music is priceless, music created with the intent of generating profit is only as valueable as the media it's printed on.

    17. Re:Last time I checked... by Emnar · · Score: 1
      Immoral behavior doesn't justify oppression but the threat of oppression doesn't justify immoral behavior either.

      Given the choice between allowing a population to be "immoral" versus oppressing said population, do you not think we should choose the former?

      Of course, this is a gross simplification of the issues, but the question is important.

    18. Re:Last time I checked... by spectecjr · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'd welcome the exposure. Then more people would come to my concerts, I'd sell more tickets, be able to book bigger venues. Yeah, that would really suck.

      Do you actually do this for a living? Or are you just begging the question?

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    19. Re:Last time I checked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, brainiac.. Downloading music that I already own is not stealing.

      Doing 150 mph in my car on a track (I race on a track) is not speeding. Okay?

    20. Re:Last time I checked... by The+Milky+Bar+Kid · · Score: 1

      I've just reduced the value of your music to zero, because I can spread it far and wide.

      Completely wrong. Your music has more value the more and more people hear it.

      This is what divides the artist from the filthy grabass. It's also what divides the scientist from the filthy grabass - where would science be if discoveries could be copyrighted? I'm producing research (with any luck), I publish it, and I won't make a cent from anyone who uses it.

      And that will make me proud.

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    21. Re:Last time I checked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What type of racing do you participate in? Dragging is the only real racing. Whats your car setup?

    22. Re:Last time I checked... by spectecjr · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I suppose in your corporate fantasy world music and musicians did not exist prior to the creation of copyright law.

      No, but they were paid by the presiding royalty of the country they were in. (This is why paychecks from music companies are called 'royalties').

      Would you prefer we went back to the feudal system?

      By the way, for example, Bach expected payment for his work:

      "Your honor will have the goodness to excuse an old and faithful servant for taking the liberty of disturbing you with the present letter. It must be nearly four years since Your Honor favored me with a kind answer to the letter I sent you; I remember that at that time you graciously asked me to give you some news of what had happened to me, and I humbly take this opportunity of providing you with the same. You know the course of my life from my youth up until the change in my fortunes that took me to Cothen as Capellmeister. There I had a gracious Prince, who both loved and knew music, and in his service I intended to spend the rest of my life. It must happen, however, that the said Serenissimus should marry a Princess of Berenburg, and that then the impression should arise that the musical interests of the said Prince had become somewhat lukewarm, especially as the new Princess seemed to be unmusical; and it pleased God that I should be called hither to be Director Musices and Cantor at the Thomas-Schule. Though at first, indeed, it did not seem at all proper to me to change my position of Capellmeister for that of Cantor. Wherefore, then, I postponed my decision for a quarter of a year; but this post was described to me in such favorable terms that finally (particularly since my sons seemed inclined to [university] studies) I cast my lot, in the name of the Lord, and made the journey to Leipzig, took my examination, and then made the change of position. Here, by God's will, I am still in service. But since (1) I find that the post is by no means so lucrative as it had been described to me; (2) I have failed to obtain many of the fees pertaining to the office; (3) the place is very expensive; and (4) the authorities are odd and little interested in music, so that I must live amid almost continual vexation, envy, and persecution; accordingly I shall be forced, with God's help, to seek my fortune elsewhere. Should Your Honor know or find a suitable post in our city for an old and faithful servant, I beg you most humbly to put in a most gracious word of recommendation for me--I shall not fail to do my best to give satisfaction and justify your most gracious intercession in my behalf. My present post amounts to about 700 thaler, and when there are rather more funerals than usual, the fees rise in proportion; but when a healthy wind blows, they fall accordingly, as for example last year, when I lost fees that would ordinarily come in from funerals to an amount of more than 100 thaler. In Thuringia I could get along better on 400 thaler than here with twice that many, because of the excessively high cost of living."
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    23. Re:Last time I checked... by spectecjr · · Score: 2

      This is what divides the artist from the filthy grabass. It's also what divides the scientist from the filthy grabass - where would science be if discoveries could be copyrighted? I'm producing research (with any luck), I publish it, and I won't make a cent from anyone who uses it.

      And I suppose you have tenure?

      Who pays for you to do that research?

      If you're at a University or other school, then it's the students (in terms of fees), corporate sponsorship of research, donations from alumni and wealthy benefactors, and the government.

      You're being paid to do research and give it away for free. That's why you have a position in which you *can* do the research you're doing.

      Simon

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    24. Re:Last time I checked... by srvivn21 · · Score: 1

      Begging the question. Making a point. Call it what you will.

      I do however have a friend with far more musical talent that is trying to make a living composing and playing music. He is more than open to alternative forms of promotion.

    25. Re:Last time I checked... by spectecjr · · Score: 1

      If the only value of your music is how much cash your can remove from other peoples pockets in exchange for it, well it must really sound like shit, real music is priceless, music created with the intent of generating profit is only as valueable as the media it's printed on

      Music comes from the heart.

      It's what you do with it afterwards that is up to you.

      YOU can CHOOSE to give it away, or sell it. The Beatles, for example, chose to sell it. Bach chose to accept positions from incumbent royalty so that he could produce more. Either way, what's behind the music has nothing to do with whether you sell it or not.

      Simon

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    26. Re:Last time I checked... by W.+Justice+Black · · Score: 1

      Excellent point. The pay-per-cd system must be broken if it can't withstand this kind of scrutiny. Time to found some kind of endowment for the arts to promote the creation of quality music. Er, wait a minute...

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    27. Re:Last time I checked... by SilentChris · · Score: 2

      But that's your view. Quite frankly, most people outside of Slashdotters think file-sharing is, bluntly, stealing. As do I.

    28. Re:Last time I checked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But that's your view. Quite frankly, most people outside of Slashdotters think file-sharing is, bluntly, stealing. As do I.

      And that's your view. Quite frankly, the Constitution reflects the view of guys like the one who wrote the letter containing the following excerpt.

      "That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation.

      Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property. Society may give an exclusive right to the profits arising from them, as an encouragement to men to pursue ideas which may produce utility, but this may or may not be done, according to the will and convenience of the society, without claim or complaint from anybody."

    29. Re:Last time I checked... by AbsoluteRelativity · · Score: 0

      But why do you? To get aside the initial concepts, it could be defined into 2 seperate ideas, those that share files are "pirating" files and those that download files are "stealing" files. That is the word stealing is defined as *taking* with out permission (not *giving away* with out permission).

      Now "piracy" (file sharing) aside, lets focus on the "stealing" (file downloading with out permission) aspect that I assume you refer to. In the real world aspect information is property of the holder (a CD or DVD, or even a rock with letters carved into it, or the person holding the CD or DVD which holds the information), that is because the holder can destroy the information, can alter the information, and can give that information away, so in the natural world "stealing" is if someone forcefully takes information from the holder with out the permission of the holder. That is natural stealing of information, above nature is law, and law redefines who owns information, in this case the information ownership is defined not necesary by the originator but by the legal holder of a copyright or patent. The law attempts to give these property rights to the originator but there is no guaratee that is the case, in some cases though an idea may originate from 2 diffrent sources but only the first source to ask the government for property rights is given the property (Bell beating Grey for example). Now the property rights holder by law is given control over whom may own a copy of their property (not necesarily how many copies an individual may have by fair rights). So as long as government defines information as property of the first to apply for legal control over it (with a few other exceptions), then its can be considered "stealing" in the legal sense, but never in the moral or ethical sense. In the natural world its immoral and unethical to tell the information holder to not share or take that information they hold, that is no diffrent then controlling freedom of speech, preventing people from speaking of wrongs because the law and government gives them the right to attack others for telling secrets, or attack people for not wanting to tell secrets. Like in child abuse, where a child is made to be afraid to tell of the abuse.

      And its not as if there was no other ways for people to make money from information. There is a lot of ways and in this modern time with the internet, the ways are endless and locking down information to one form of distribution is senseless abuse by those who are afraid of the future, afraid of change, because the change no longer makes them the center of attention and the money (like the RIAA and the studios).

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    30. Re:Last time I checked... by Saeger · · Score: 2
      Of course, you're right -- and this distinction has long since been summed up by Thomas Jefferson with his "receives light without darkening me" copyright quote. It's a shame that more people don't 'get it'.

      Information really wants to be free, but unfortunately, as long as FOOD, and other resources, are tangibly scarce, people will want to make information artificially scarce in order to give it an inflated value that can PAY for FOOD.

      Hmm. I should really condense the above paragraph for my sig; it's really at the heart of the matter of why people want to "control intellectual property."

      A few decades down the road, people won't need to justify their copyright selfishness when nanotech eventually enables the molecular reassembly of trash into any desired object, and machine intelligence solves problems of increasing complexity, etc... (and living in boundless space habitats alleviates the problem of an overcrouded Earth and greedy landlords. :)

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    31. Re:Last time I checked... by DzugZug · · Score: 2

      Actualy the people who wrote the Constitution thought:

      The Congress shall have Power ... To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the
      exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries

      Art. I Sec. 8

    32. Re:Last time I checked... by Rovaani · · Score: 1

      ... listening to radio was NOT stealing. Neither was recording it. Fortunately the Finnish law draws a parallel between downloading and tape-recording.

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    33. Re:Last time I checked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are wrong. You ignored the fact that information will always have an initial cost to produce. Even if I could magically live for FREE(!!!) in a nanotech cureall uptopia, information would still have basic production costs like time and effort. What...... are people suddently going to be satisfied with a simple "thanks!" in exchange for laboring over the compiliation of the 2050 World Almanac? I think not.

      As long as there is work to be done that can't be automated, people will want to be paid in a currency that can be traded for exclusive privelages. Hell, even without having to work, people will still want a system where they can attain special privelage so that they dont feel like theirey're living in a communist state!

    34. Re:Last time I checked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Space is not boundless. its just really really really really big. boundless implies infinite which is unprovable.

    35. Re:Last time I checked... by radja · · Score: 2

      Actually, the term piracy (piraterij) under dutch law is used for certain kinds of copyright infringement.. so strictly speaking, calling it piracy is correct (at least in the Netherlands, and probably more countries.) Calling it theft however is a gross misrepresentation of the truth.

      //rdj

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    36. Re:Last time I checked... by stapedium · · Score: 1
      The whole concept of "Stealing" is a wordfuck, a lie . . .

      Now there is an insightful use of the english language. I'll just make up an offensive word to criticize the use of a real word in a way I don't like.

      Please grow up.
    37. Re:Last time I checked... by gordguide · · Score: 1

      "... downloading Pirated music is stealing."

      Well, downloading "pirated" anything is stealing. However, a copy of a music recording is not necessarily "pirated". In the US, you have to meet the requirements of "fair use". In pretty much every other Copyright Convention Signatory nation*, there is no equivalent to the US concept of fair use. Most countries allow some form of personal copying of music; typically these nations also pay royalties to the music industry on blank media without regard for it's end use. In other words, you have allready paid music royalties when you buy a CDR or cassette tape.
      Where I live, I can copy all the music I want (but can't give away, lend, or broadcast my "personal copy") and this is expressly allowed under copyright law.

      *If any slashdotters know of a country (other than the USA) that has "fair use" provisions in copyright law, feel free to let us know. To the best of my knowledge, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zeland, and the EU nations do not have "fair use" provisions as defined under US law.

    38. Re:Last time I checked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but "most" people are gullible morons & like to be good little sheeple. Sounds like you fit right in.

    39. Re:Last time I checked... by bigmammoth · · Score: 1

      I think what the dude ment is that, people that creat art for art's sake or to say anything meaningfull thorugh art, .. will no need to be compicated with money to survive, and people that creat "art" for money will have no reason to do so, as all of the reason for tyring to make money, meterial welath, social reality modification, all will become negelagable to acoplish, as we aproche atomic control of all mater (including that matter which resides in our head),

    40. Re:Last time I checked... by SpeelingChekka · · Score: 2

      The whole concept of "Stealing" is a wordfuck, a lie, a purposeful confusion of concepts to create a false fact, ie copying music=stealing the music

      Hmm .. now that you mention that, I'm a bit surprised the RIAA hasn't yet made a public statement equating "copying music" with "terrorism". What an opportunity for them.

      Ah well, wait for it I guess.

  46. Re:Sounds funny but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to burn our public libraries.

  47. Hey... by Greyfox · · Score: 2
    Don't cross The Mouse. He will fuck you.

    While Disney is lecturing us on Morality and IP law, they could tell us about the evils of plagarism and how if you're a big corporation you can get away with pretty much anything while fucking the little guy. And how bastardizing history and cultural myths for a quick buck should be frowned upon and at least accompanied by a disclaimer.

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    1. Re:Hey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Disney's Hercules totally turned Greek mythology on its head. And Pocahontas was about as historically accurate as Mel Brooks' History of the World, Part I.

  48. Expect nothing less from Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they'll make a new cartoon about a huge company that spends millions of dollars lobbying the government to *retroactively* extend copyrights 20 years just as the copyrights to its valuable intellectual property is about to expire.

    See this link to see how the public domain is being robbed.

  49. I don't get Disney Channel by nobodyman · · Score: 1

    ...maybe I can download from Kazaa! Ooh the irony!!

  50. Hidden message? by gnovos · · Score: 2

    Just out of curiosity, I was wondering if there isn't a hidden message in this, after all, Disney is famous for putting hidden messages in thier work. I am particularly cusious about "Dijonay", which is pronounced correctly sounds kind of like "Disney"... And this is the guy "spreading the word" about EZ-Jackster. Things are afoot at Disney, methinks...

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  51. While the propaganda aspect may make us queasy by btempleton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And we certainly have reasons to suspect the Mouse's motives here, I've often thought this is the right approach.

    Wholesale copying of music against the permission of its creators is wrong, and our children should be informed that it's wrong. The complex issues of monopolies and exploitation of musicians are for adults to solve.

    In truth, the message we want to send here is not to blame the technology of filesharing, but the people who use it for ill. But because the RIAA and others don't see a way to get at the actual copyright infringers, they attack the filesharing technology itself, and now our PCs themselves.

    I say, when they point out that the actual infringements are the problem, we should agree with them. But fight them when they want to punish technologies or the people who aren't infringing.

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    1. Re:While the propaganda aspect may make us queasy by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You said that "[w]holesale copying of music against the permission of its creators is wrong," but I've got to take issue with this.

      It's not wrong.

      People copy music wholesale without the permission of the creators ALL THE TIME. Indeed, Disney is known for this. They have two entire movies, their "Fantasia" series, which liberally copy music without permission from the creators. (many of whom were long dead)

      And if the copyright scheme in this country were like that of the early Republic, copying music would be perfectly allright, and not a copyright violation at all. A lot later and you'd merely have to wait for the copyright to expire -- which wouldn't take terribly long.

      It's about as wrong as installing a picket fence at your house that doesn't comply with zoning regulations, in many cases. Reasonable people are not only perfectly capable of arguing over whether some particular act ought to be infringement, and even whether we ought to have copyrights at all. (which are not mandated)

      You don't give children much credit either. They are often pretty capable of calling a spade a spade. (c.f. "The Emperor's New Clothes")

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    2. Re:While the propaganda aspect may make us queasy by btempleton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, I didn't mean that I meant it was universally wrong, but in the common sense that I meant it -- taking recently recorded music that you know the creator wants to be paid for, just so that you can hear it without having to pay -- it's still my opinion that this is wrong.

      And of a number of people here, to whom the comment was really addressed. Yes, clearly if you don't buy the concept of copyright at all, you're going to think the cartoon's message is wrong in every way.

      But there are many who, like me, have said "what many users are doing with Napster/Gnutella/MusicCity/Freenet/etc. is wrong, but writing file sharing tools is not wrong."

      If you don't agree with that, then of course you won't buy what I said. If you do agree with that you may feel, as I wrote, that the right course is to teach our children what's right and wrong, not because of what the law or technology will allow you to do or forbid you to do, but because of a moral system you have.

      While many point out that making a copy doesn't physically deprive the creator of anything, they misunderstand what IP is when they say this. IP isn't really about owning particular sets of bits.

      IP is about the question of whether a creator can have control over their creation. When you copy, you appropriate that control.

      Curiously, the most physical of properties, real estate, is also entirely about control, even in things that don't deprive the landowner of anything physical.

      I own land, and I have the power to tell you not to walk on it, even though if you walk on it when I'm not there, you've had insignificant physical effect on me.

      Now you might argue that control of creations is bad if it means controlling who can make copies. But that is what IP is, for better or worse.

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    3. Re:While the propaganda aspect may make us queasy by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2

      Oh, well, so basically you spoke generally even though you had a specific meaning in mind that was not difficult to articulate.

      Thanks.

      You are of course entitled to your opinion that it is wrong. As you might have guessed by my .sig here, I take a slightly dimmer view of copyright. I don't mind it in a general way, but I don't much like what we've got now in many specifics. I understand why there are those who are entirely opposed to the notion, however. I can't say that they're _wrong_ per se; in both cases, I think that we are interested in achieving the same result in the end.

      I think that you're deluding yourself, however. If copyright infringements are morally wrong, and you have, or should have, knowledge that P2P filesharing is very predominently used in illegal manners, save by citizens of countries that do not have copyright laws, for (rare) uncopyrighted materials or materials for which indiscriminate sharing is permitted, you ought to be against them. I see your position as being against yellow fever, but unwilling to condemn mosquitoes in the process, even though they're nominally innocent.

      I agree with you regarding teaching moral values however. There are many differing moral positions, and mere endorsement by legal authority is unconvincing.

      Your second assessment of what copyrights are ("IP" is another misleading term -- the copyrights may be property, but the copyrighted material, e.g. songs, are not. I'd avoid it, so as to keep out of threads like this one we're having) is much more on the ball.

      I would add though, that there are three interests to be served, and not just the one you mention. Copyright is a delicate balancing act between 1) the promotion of learning; 2) the promotion of the public domain, and; 3) the interests of the author. The entire, judicially reconized objective of copyright in the US (which has about the only sane system in the world) is to promote the public interest, through promoting to a lesser degree, the private interest of authors. Copyright's not natural; it is not earned or deserved; it is granted by the government, and then only if they want to do so. They may abstain, and authors can suck eggs.

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    4. Re:While the propaganda aspect may make us queasy by btempleton · · Score: 2

      Copyright is not natural, but rights of creators over creations, from which copyright derives in some views, are another animal.

      After all, the relationship between an author and a novel is intrinsic. It exists outside of society or law. It is the child of his brain, and fully under his control until he lets it out to the world.

      The law, and social practices, only come into play once it is out in the world, and we decide how far to extend that initial complete control into the realm of use by other people.

      This, as it turns out, is even more natural than so-called "real" property, which is entirely a legal fiction if you don't live on it.

      Which is the opposite of how people often present it the two forms of property.

      However, we're getting off the topic here. This is a good debate, but not for this thread.

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    5. Re:While the propaganda aspect may make us queasy by Wolfier · · Score: 2

      >IP is about the question of whether a creator
      >can have control over their creation. When you
      >copy, you appropriate that control.

      No. IP is about the question of whether a creator can have control over *THE REPRODUCTION* of their creation. i.e. "who can make copies". But beyond that, the creator should be powerless.

      It is what _copy_right actually means. For example, if I buy a CD, the author does not have the control over how I'm going to listen to it - I might listen only on the left ear, play it backwards, sell it to my friend, or just burn the damn thing into ash.

      However, I'm bound to obey on their rules about copying. I do not complain about that and I think it is the right thing to do.

      But just "control" or "access control" is too broad. The DMCA says that, if the access control technology only allows you to listen on your right ear, from 7am to 8am for the odd-numbered songs and 5pm to 6pm for the even-numbered songs, you cannot bypass it.

      Anti circumvention - same deal. As long as I don't make copies, it is none of your business on how I look into, hack, debug, reverse engineer, whatever your lawyers call it.

      If I ran the government, I'd lock people up for the obvious terrorist act of proposing the DMCA.

    6. Re:While the propaganda aspect may make us queasy by BlueTurnip · · Score: 2

      Indeed, Disney is known for this. They have two entire movies, their "Fantasia" series, which liberally copy music without permission from the creators.

      Actually, this isn't true. Of course, they didn't pay to use music for which the copyright had expired, but they paid quite a bit to Igor Stravinsky for the use of music from his ballet The Rite of Spring. In fact, when the movie was released on video, they paid royalties to his estate.

      So, to be fair, Disney does seem to respect the intellectual property rights of others.

      That doesn't mean I like everything they do, but lets be fair.

    7. Re:While the propaganda aspect may make us queasy by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      I was of course, referring to the works for which there was no copyright or for which the copyright had since expired.

      Similarly, Beauty and the Beast -- no royalties. 101 Dalmatians -- royalties.

      Certainly, there will be a day when Stravinsky's estate receives no more. At least, I certainly hope so.

      Disney's not totally spotless either. There are various allegations floating around... I distinctly remember the ones regarding The Lion King.

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    8. Re:While the propaganda aspect may make us queasy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is the child of his brain, and fully under his control until he lets it out to the world.
      Nah - his brain my a**. It is a product born out of shared information, if you know what I am talking about.

    9. Re:While the propaganda aspect may make us queasy by SpeelingChekka · · Score: 2

      You don't give children much credit either. They are often pretty capable of calling a spade a spade

      I suspect propaganda campaigns aimed at children usually fail because children are more capable of thinking for themselves than the current culture gives them credit for. The designers of these campaigns usually assume that kids are stupid and impressionable and will fall for anything as long as you tell them its "cool" or "uncool", and work from that as a baseline. And then they wonder why the campaigns fail. Still, corporate branding seems to work better, so one has to wonder. Nonetheless, I get the impression that adults are at least as susceptible, if not more so, to this sort of propaganda.

  52. Re:Sounds funny but... by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 1

    "Tell me how this is not wrong? Sure maybe its not physical theft but it can be just as dangerous. "

    Can you imagine, in a world without copyright, there would be no financial reward for people like Britney Spears, and she could'nt afford fake boobs. In this miraculous world, the Backstreet Boys would shut the fuck up, Michael Jackson would still have a humanoid face, ...

    What a wonderful world it would be.

  53. Same thing as with Futurama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember the Futurama-episode with Fry and this Luzy-Lou bots? And how he downloaded it from (kid)napster? Same story... Looks, like they are trying to get this story in our heads...

  54. Arrrrrrggggghhhh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Napster or any other filesharing system (except possibly Audiogalaxy and Scour, although they still required software) are not and were not fucking websites! They are software and nothing else. Every single mainstream news source says this. I'd expect Newsforge to be smart enough to know the difference between websites and standalone software. Ahh, that feels better now.

  55. Proudly Brainwashing the Masses by haplo21112 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Disney proudly brainwashing the masses for 6 generations.
    You know, seems to be, we should be teaching people to think for themselves not shoving this crap down thier throats...I guess Disney goes no my boycott List...humm which would work if they didn't own ESPN, ABC, and like a zillion other things. Seriously though I guess its thier opinion and they have a right to express it, but its the Target audience that scares me...Kids should be watching TV that teaches them to think for themselves and make thier own choices. 'Nuff said.

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    1. Re:Proudly Brainwashing the Masses by KnightStalker · · Score: 2
      >Kids should be watching TV that teaches them to think for themselves and make thier own choices.

      /me wipes away a tear... Thank you. That was the funniest thing I've seen in days.

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  56. Don't forget ... by Hagmonk · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... how similar this is to the whole "Say no to drugs" campaigning that was sanctioned by the government for the longest time. Lots of kids programs featured episodes based around it - and did they work? No!

    Have you seen Traffic? We all know that the drug problem is complex and non-trivial to solve. File swapping is the same. The solution is not to try and stop people from swapping digital content, but to figure out how free digital content can integrate with our lives.

    The whole disney thing is 'spooky' of course (the contrast between disney's lovely family face and this underhanded propaganda is just fabulous), but perhaps not something to worry about.

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  57. Re:Anti-american activities by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 0

    Hmm, how is this "offtopic"?

  58. New Poll? by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 4, Funny

    Things like this make me want to come up with a new /. poll:

    Who is more evil?

    Microsoft
    RIAA
    MPAA
    RMS
    ESR
    The DOJ
    Congress
    CowboyNeal

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    1. Re:New Poll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. Why not make this the next /. poll. You'd probably get more votes than any other poll in /. history.

      You can take my Linux, when you pry it from my cold dead keyboard!

    2. Re:New Poll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You forgot the following:
      • Osama bin Laden
      • John Katz
      • Jesus Christ
      • Britney Spears
      • Barney the Dinosaur
      • John Ashcroft
      • Fritz Hollings

      But I suppose /. polls don't allow that many options.


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    3. Re:New Poll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yo CmdrTaco!

    4. Re:New Poll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Britney is covered by RIAA
      Barney by MPAA
      Ashcroft by DOJ
      Hollings by Congress

      Leaving just Jesus and Osama (bet you'd never see those two lumped together!)

    5. Re:New Poll? by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Who is more evil?

      You forgot to list Disney :)

      I think RIAA and MPAA should listed as one item. Their lawyers have been commoditized.

      The real problem is that /. poll uses a radio button. I wanna vote for both Microsoft and RIAA/MPAA.

      I don't think Disney has rated a capital E yet. It's just evil in training.

      IMHO DOJ isn't actually Evil, they do what congress tells them too, if perhaps a bit overzealously at times :)

      IMHO Congress isn't actually Evil either. When they do the WrongThing I think it's usually out of misplaced GoodIntentions. Sometimes unimaginably badly placed GoodIntentions. (Anybody have a ClueStick they can spare? There's a couple of people who need to be hit over the head a few times.)

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    6. Re:New Poll? by mons · · Score: 1

      You forgot Dr. Evil himself!!

  59. Old Disney is Good by The+Truth+Is+Out+The · · Score: 0
    New Disney is Run by Jews


    Do you understand? Walt Disney was a good man, but when he died, his company was taken over by money-grubbing jews bent on spreading their leftist propoganda.


    The old classics aren't even safe. For example, the jews digitally changed Snow White's eyes from blue to brown! Can you believe that shit? Not to mention the fact that the jewish overlords at Disney have supressed old children's favorites like Song of the South.

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    1. Re:Old Disney is Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, goold ol' Walt was in on hunting communists and pseudo-communist in the McCarthy days.

    2. Re:Old Disney is Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually, goold ol' Walt was in on hunting communists and pseudo-communist in the McCarthy days.


      Like the man said, Walt was a good guy.

    3. Re:Old Disney is Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious about the eye-color changing thing? Can you provide some proof of this?

    4. Re:Old Disney is Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Exactly how do you expect the slashdot community to take your comments seriously when you teeter (and totter) upon racism like that? "Jews bent on spreading their leftist propaganda?" Last I heard, Disney was one of the most politically conservative media companies out there. And if being completely focused on MAKING MONEY is somehow a bad thing, then the entire American capitalist system might as well just bend over for ya'.



      You probably just like the "Old Disney" because it was run by Walt, who is often considered anti-semitic.

  60. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    y'know, this is some funny shit!

  61. anyone remember futurama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone remember the episode where Fry "downloads" a copy of Lucy lu? Bad things happen, like the Lucy lu bots go crazy and destroy things. The show ends with the Lucy lu bot saying that pirarcy it bad. It left me with a bad feeling.

    Ben
    maye0122@NOSPAMtc.umn.edu

  62. Is this made by Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or just on the Disney Channel? Anyone?

  63. In other news: by Cheetah86 · · Score: 1

    In the new series released by Microsoft Entertainment, "Corporate Family", an episode criticizes open source software.

  64. Working on it... by jijoel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm currently taking a class so that I can start putting stuff on the local public-access TV station. I'm planning to do a lot of short blurbs, including stuff against the DMCA, the SSSCA, the extent of copyright law in general, monopoly power, and so on, for an audience of people who don't necessarily know *anything* about the issues we discuss here every day. Given another three or four months, I think I'll get quite a collection.

    I'm also planning to so some pro-Linux/Free Software stuff, as well as tutorials on using some Free Software programs.

    The trickiest thing is the distribution. I'd love to just put the videos on my web site, and let everyone download them (GPLed, of course, so people can share them with others), but I pay enough for bandwidth that I'm afraid one slashdotting would wipe me out. Any ideas?

  65. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. That's like reading an account of a virulent outbreak of the stupidity plague, from the index patient (the good Ms. Runge) to the CDC's post-mortem play-by-play.

  66. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by ekrout · · Score: 1

    Riiiiigggghhhhtttt. Go to that same web site, and listen to the sound clips. I don't care what the fvcking movie script says, it's what we HEAR that counts. And we hear "Good teenagers...take off their clothes". End of story.

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  67. Just wondering.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to be an asshole or anything, but this is just a little to surreal to be taken at face value. Is there anyone who is *absolutely*, *positively* sure that this is NOT satire?

    Ya know, kinda like that seekrit RIAA meeting on newsforge a week or two ago.

  68. downfall of music industry by porky_pig_jr · · Score: 1

    so what's wrong if someone causes the downfall of music industry?


    May be after it happens, we can finally can listen a real music, not the one prepared for us by 'music industry'.

  69. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by jrincayc · · Score: 1

    Sorry, the Aladdin line is correct. I have listened
    to it myself. If you don't believe me find a old version of Aladdin (Disney has probably edited it out in newer versions), go to the scene where Aladdin is sneaking on the balcony of the princess and listen closely.

  70. snooze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    slashdot is so boring these days

  71. Open Source Animation by bwt · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Just out of curiosity, what are the open source technologies for animation?

  72. Today's sermon: What NED did. by Nathdot · · Score: 1

    Talk about a preachy cartoon...

    My god!

    :)

  73. Kid Rock starves to death by ZeroConcept · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of this onion article

  74. Reefer Madness! by JahToasted · · Score: 1

    As soon as I stop typing this post I'm geeting this video... sounds like it may be a classic like "reefer madness" or "duck and cover." This could be the best thing Disney has ever made!

  75. Where exactly did you 'check'. by delmoi · · Score: 3, Informative

    because I have a feeling you didn't 'check' anything, and you're simply spouting uniformed opinion.

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  76. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by Telek · · Score: 2

    ...that this is an urban legend [snopes2.com];

    NO IT IS NOT!

    I have personally listened to it, and I heard it. Take your copy of Alladin, go to that scene, and listen with the volume way up. It's something along the line of "good kitty... (takes off all her clothes)" or something, I don't remember but I remember hearing it.

    Same with the dust that was in the movie... The Lion King? (I don't remember which movie it was, could have been Alladin was well) that spelled out "SEX" if you played it in slow motion. It was there, I didn't believe it at first but when I saw it, in no uncertain terms, with my own eyes...

    If you don't believe me, go and rent a copy for yourself. I think it's at the scene where they're at the balcony and he's being approached by the "big cat".

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  77. Ditto for open source software ;-) by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

    here.

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  78. i'm glad i'm not in 5th grade anymore... by saviorsloth · · Score: 1

    i can just see it now, D.A.R.E 2, downloading abuse resistance education.
    you may laugh now, just wait until your kid comes home with a handbook featuring Fido the IP Protection Dog, who keeps little cindy and joe away from all the scary bad men that tell them that "it's fun, all the cool kids are doing it." but thanks to fido and all their D.A.R.E. 2 education, they can just say no.

  79. Off-the-top-of-my-head summary... by fenix+down · · Score: 1
    ...just 'cause I'm a whore.


    Lila tells Fry about "Nappster" a napster for celebrity personalities that can be plugged into robots. They don't even do the obvious "NapSTAR" joke (celebrities==stars, gets?), and the logo for the site is just the Napster logo with the "p" copy-pasted. Anyway, they do some Tron scenes, and Fry dl's Lucy Liu into an IBM formatted bot. He makes out with the bot until the rest of them decide he's got problems and show him a 50's "even though the robots are better than real people, you have to propogate the spiecies" educational movie. For some reason they go to the Nappster building, and find that the sign on the building says "Kidnappster" with the "kid" covered up with tape. Lila calls the guys working there seweaty nerds, and then breaks down the "Restricted" door that all corporate offices have. The back room is full of heads-in-jars that are gratuitously given electric shocks every time someone downloads them.

    Lila: "Ha! And they said a little copying never hurt anybody!"

    They rescue Lucy and randomly get attacked by Lucy Liu bots. They run into a movie theater and force feed the bots popcorn until they explode, injuring Fry's bot as she does a bodyguard jump to save them from the flying corn. The Lucy head and everyone else tell Fry he has to delete the Lucy copy, so he does a little dramatic crying thing and deletes her.

    Fry: "Now maybe I can get to know the real Lucy Liu!"

    Lucy blows him off and makes out with Bender.

    1. Re:Off-the-top-of-my-head summary... by perlyking · · Score: 1

      And at the end she says something like "if you really loved me you would want the original, not a copy".

      Sounds like an ad campaign in the making.

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  80. ... by Cuthalion · · Score: 1

    Okay. But it made me laugh.

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  81. Ugh by nexex · · Score: 1

    That show sucks anyways... No one watches it that I know of...

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  82. Open Source cartoons by JesseL · · Score: 2

    Bam. Well it's comics really.

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  83. And now... another Disney musical by Talez · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    *orchestral introduction*
    *climactic overture*
    *Disney execs come out on stage*

    Zip-e-de-doo-dah, zip-e-dee-ey
    My oh my, file sharing is gay!
    Plenty of sunshine, heading our way
    when we strengthen, that DMCA!

    Mr Bill Gates on our shoulders
    its the truth, its factual!
    Everything is Digitally Rights Managed!

    (Including this slashdot post!)

    Zip-e-de-doo-dah, zip-e-dee-ey
    My oh my, file sharing is gay!
    Plenty of sunshine, heading our way
    when we strengthen, that DMCA!

    *rousing applause from the MPAA and RIAA*

    Heh... enjoy
    Talez

  84. diffrent host by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe you should host your site on freenet >> . . or at least that would be a posiblity in the future. .and you would not have to worry about being arested because you said the DMCA was a bad idea. or happen to flash the six lines of perl that decode a DVD
    >>

  85. No really.. we need one. by Lethyos · · Score: 1

    I'd really like to VIEW this video since I don't get cable (let alone have a television (thank god)).

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  86. To stop the above arguements. by MxTxL · · Score: 2

    Song lyrics and movie lines get mis-understood all the time. Check here and here for two sites that host databases of misunderstood song lyrics. In fact, i forget what song it was... way back in the day, i heard about it on VH1... it was like the monkees or something, that the song was banned because someone put out an alternate set of lyrics that were less than tasteful (sex and drug related)... but the best part of it was that if you had these alternate lyrics in front of you, it does actually sound like they are saying it.

    1. Re:To stop the above arguements. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah - it was a while before i twigged that ACDC were not singing 'dirt deeds done to sheep'

    2. Re:To stop the above arguements. by Ykant · · Score: 1
      Someone said:
      the song was banned because someone put out an alternate set of lyrics that were less than tasteful (sex and drug related)... but the best part of it was that if you had these alternate lyrics in front of you, it does actually sound like they are saying it.

      Believe it or not, I'm sure the song you're thinking of is Louie Louie, and it wasn't so much banned as it was the recipient of undue attention from some folks in the gov't.
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  87. Disney cartoon portrays music industry as evil by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny


    1. Girl working at her antiquated computer her dad gave her in her room.

    2. Mystery guy (cool hip hop looking dude in black) shows up at her window and supplies her with an up to date computer, takes her into "the Matrix" and shows her a web area called Free Jackster where she can get all the music she could ever want FOR FREE.

    3. The girl asks if this is illegal and mystery guy explains it is our birthright to have free music, creativity should not have a price.

    4. Girl gets addicted to collecting free music, her obsession leads to telling all her friends. Soon the site is getting millions of hits from kids to grandmothers.

    5. Next scene at the The Wizard Record Label board room where "Sir Paid Alot" enters to complain his royalty check was only five cents. This alerts The Wizard (head of the label) that there is a retail problem he needs to look into.

    6. Teen Girl's house is surrounded that night by police and press and she is arrested for illegal downloads, gets a warning. The news makes it clear that millions of people can't be stopped. Parents take computer away from girl and explain why free downloads is STEALING -- kind of an abirdged explanation of how copyrights work.

    7. Next scene, Asian Guy's retail record store is empty, guy is crying on the floor. Teen Girl who happens to work at the store shows up to work, Asian guy fires her for supporting all the free downloads.

    8. Next scene charts showing record sales are down down down to nothing because people get the music for free.

    9. Sir Paid Alot gets 100 million hits on his website from freeloading fans who now love his music and previously would have never actually purchased his CD, gushing about how wonderful Free Jackster is. GeekBoy, an employee who runs his website and has spikey hair and a nose ring, runs around looking exasperated because a mercury thermometer attached to Sir Paid Alot's server blows its top and spits gallons of mercury all over the server room like an oil well blowing it's top, while cartoonish sirens go off.

    10. Slick Dick, an Ad Exec representing BoingBoing Sneaker Company shows up at Sir Paid Alot's home in a shiny pointy pinstripe suit with a suitcase full of $100 bills if Sir Mix Alot will only wear their sneakers and show their logo all over his (now) sold out Nationwide tour. We see The Wizard outside Sir Mix Alot's mansion gates panhandling for money as Slick Dick leaves.

    11. Mystery Guy hires Asian Guy to write reviews of Sir Mix Alot's Greatest Hits downloads on the Free Jackster website. Jump to a Flash Movie Asian Guy produces in pantomime style of the late-night "only $19.95" Greatest Hits Album commercials, complete with scrolling song titles and Sir Mix Alot performing a la Yanni and Anne Murray behind the titles.

    12. Asian Guy proclaims he loves his new job because now he can do nothing but write about his first love, music, and not have to worry every day how The Wizard was always trying to rip him off as an independent Record Store owner. Cut to flashback where the Wizard shows up at Asian Guys' shop offering CDs priced at $11.99 while right behind Asian Guy "crying on the floor," we see he is selling his CDs for $12.00. We see Asian Guy leaving Free Jackster's offices with Rio-like device in hand, big grin and kewl shades, listening to Sir Mix Alot song, grimacing and throwing a few pennies at The Wizard begging on the street.

    13. At his sold out concert, with "kids and grandmothers" all rockin' out, Sir Paid Alot calls Teen Girl on stage, thanks her for getting rid of the "Blood-sucking middlemen" out of his life and letting him do what he always liked to do, rap fantastic straight to his fans saying his "creativity should not have a price."

    14. Sir Paid Alot makes up a rap right on the spot for Teen Girl, she swoons and her eyes turn into beating hearts bulging out of her eyesockets.

    15. On her cell phone going to Las Vegas in the back of Sir Paid Alot's limo, Teen Girl explains to her parents why the copyright system works in the old world of Vinyl and CDs, but in the new world of electronic bits, an economy of scale ensures that the artists get even more money from a more democratic connection between them and their fans and without any middlemen, sort of like the radio, with sponsors paying him endorsement fees rather than the artist getting royalty checks. She explains how Asian Guy's reviews on his now super-popular website ensures that people get exposed to new artists and new forms of popular music. Cut again to GeekBoy running around server room while mercury thermometer attached to server gushes, with Asian Guy in the background taps happily away at a computer, writing reviews.

    16. Her parents are impressed but yell at her for being in a much older Rapper's limo and being underage and tell her to come home immediately. Via Free Jackster on the computer they took away from her and her cell phone, they send her a copy of a Barney song she always listened to as a kid and that she had lost in CD form, but now is eternally available for free via the Web, conveniently and quickly, wherever they may be, with whatever device, without any red tape involved. Teen Girl cries and jumps out of the limo into a passing car being driven by Mystery Guy heading in the opposite direction. Mystery Guy drives her home where "police and press" treat her to a lavish homecoming.

    17. Mystery Guy puts on a baseball cap, complaining "my hair is always too nappy", saying to Mystery Girl, "I'm a teenager too." They kiss and the cartoon closes with Sir Mix Alot singing a la Barry White to them in the background.

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    1. Re:Disney cartoon portrays music industry as evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You live in one hell of a dream world.

    2. Re:Disney cartoon portrays music industry as evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I have a friend whose dad has about 7 albums out (he shall remain nameless for his protection from the record company that he hates). He's actually put all of his music up on Napster and other file services behind his record company's back, because they give him squat for each album he sells, and he makes much more on his live shows. And, if more people listen to his music on the web, the more people that will go to his shows.

      He was telling us about how record companies suck and how they screw people. He's the one doing all of the work, and he basically sees 1% of the profits from his CD sales. Also, he told us about several other artists who are trying to screw the record companies by putting their own music up to get more fans to come to shows.

      Yes, I'm posting as an AC, but I don't really want the RIAA coming after me trying to find out who my friend's dad really is. Fuck RIAA.

    3. Re:Disney cartoon portrays music industry as evil by i_am_nitrogen · · Score: 1

      Interesting, to say the least... Quite a romantic idea. Every geek's dream girl's dream ;p

    4. Re:Disney cartoon portrays music industry as evil by Tadu · · Score: 1

      Mod the parent up!

  88. Freenet? by LinuxHam · · Score: 2

    but I pay enough for bandwidth that I'm afraid one slashdotting would wipe me out. Any ideas?

    You can insert the video into Freenet, and it will remain available so long as even minimal interest remains. In addition, Freenet will automatically replicate it to multiple servers around the world to meet local demand. It's like a demand-driven free Akamai. (Okay, that may be a stretch :)

    I really think Freenet is a great idea, and I also think it would be a great idea if non-commercial pages could be inserted into Freenet shortly before being Slashdotted. Then the Freenet architects would have a lot more performance data to study so long as many Slashdotters would view the Freenet version. And the way things are going in the US Congress these days, we may need the protections Freenet has always offered readers in more oppressive nations. Hell I would think, legal issues notwithstanding, it would be easy for someone to start replying to mirror requests with a Freesite. A simple wget and URL cleansing would produce an easily-insertable site.

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  89. The best part by H3lldr0p · · Score: 2
    is on the cable guide description. It read to the effect "CharacterX is shown the evils of Napster."


    Considering it was TW cable, who do you think wrote that one up?

  90. If disney wants to take a shot at IP... by zerocool^ · · Score: 5, Informative


    If disney wants to discuss IP, they'd better take a look at This site.

    Basically, Disney ripped their latest fiasco, Lost city of Atlantis, straight from Nadia, queen of the see, a terriffic anime job.

    And they say they had never heard of Nadia... Take a look and see what you think.

    ~z

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    1. Re:If disney wants to take a shot at IP... by Yosho · · Score: 1
      Just out of curiousity, have you actually watched both? Sure, Atlantis is a bit unoriginal, but I'd say it's far more heavily influenced by 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. Nadia seems to be heavily influenced by that, too, but not to the extent of Atlantis. Nonetheless, I find the idea of the creators of Atlantis being unfamiliar with Nadia to be completely plausible.

      (As a note, you got the titles wrong, too: they're just "Atlantis" and "Nadia: the Secret of Blue Water")

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    2. Re:If disney wants to take a shot at IP... by zerocool^ · · Score: 1

      yeah, don't tell anyone, but that was half facination with the fact that i stumbled onto that page with the detailed discription of the plotlines side by side, and fealt the need to share, and 1/2 just plain karma whoreing.

      Well, i dunno, i really did find that article fascinating, and figured a lot of people would be kinda blown away by it, i mean i told my friend about it and he was like in shock how much alike they were.

      and i realized that after i posted, i got the names wrong. I think i'm burnt.
      thanks, dude =) i'll keep on the toes.
      ~Z

      oh, and i saw 20000leagues, read that book, and saw atlantis. i think i slept thru most of atlantis, but i didn't want to ask my girl about the movie details i missed, cause i don't think she knows i slept. Haven't seen nadia. meaning to do that.

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    3. Re:If disney wants to take a shot at IP... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why isn't this on snopes.com yet?

  91. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by wnissen · · Score: 2

    The brain is really good at piecing together words from dounds. People who are mostly deaf can still follow conversation because human speech is so predictable. If you're expecting to hear "Good teenagers take of their clothes," that's what you'll hear. If you're expecting to hear the original line, you'll hear that instead.

    As a small, anecdotal example of how the loop from ears to brain is not quite perfect, try this "verbal illusion." Say the word "ace" over and over again, and it will morph into the word "say". What's really cool is if you keep going, then the word morphs again into... Well, you try it.

    Walt

  92. they got the physics of it all wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you make an exact duplicate of something

    You can't exactly "steal" it.

  93. Lets get a /. interview with... by bani · · Score: 1

    ... the authors of that particular episode!

    It would be very interesting to hear the opinions of the individuals involved with writing, directing and animating that particular episode. Was it entirely their idea? Did the episode come down as a direct edict from Disney executives? Who wrote it and why? Have these individuals ever used P2P file sharing programs? If so, which ones? Have they even ever used a computer? Do they think there is any legitimate use for P2P sharing of any kind or is P2P inherently criminal activity, guilty by default etc etc.

    And if Disney forbids them from public comments, that needs publicizing as well.

    Did anyone catch the credit list? Time to do some detective work.

  94. hysteria: Two points of view by swordgeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) This is not hysterical[1]. It might be hysterical if it weren't so deadly serious. Disney, for all of their happiness, is probably the number one master of propaganda; and always has been. Go watch the war films of the 1940s. Watch the anti-drug movies. See if you can find the anti-black movies of the earliest years. Disney is a manipulator.

    2) This is utterly hysterical. It is based entirely on hysteria--mass, unthinking response to carefully calculated images, designed to drive crowds.

    Do you think that by recognising and avoiding being part of the 'mindless throng' you're safe? Go ask Pete Seeger about the 'witch trials' of the 1950s.

    [1] ...in a funny sense, that is

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  95. Draconian Propaganda by dh003i · · Score: 1

    This reeks of the same type of brain-washing employed by the Nazi's in WWII: "Do what WE WANT, or else SUFFER."

    It is similar to ads put out by various interest groups, such as:

    1. Those ads which try to tell parents they shouldn't smoke in their own home if they have kids(the "Lets take it outside ads").

    2. The add which showed a black man being dragged behind a truck and said that "because GW Bush doesn't support 'hate crimes legislation' he is just as bad as the KKK racists who dragged that man to his death."

    3. The cabletheft ads: "Cabletheft: its a crime." These are the ads that feature a young girl telling the viewers "daddy says we get cable by that magic box" and then show a policeman coming up to the door and arresting the father, and him being sent off to jail.

    4. The "insurance fraud" ads which show a couple of bruisers in jail, remarking on why they got there, and then some skinny guy saying he frauded insurance companies. Then the add proceeds to show the bruiser inmates getting upset because "he was the one who made their insurance companies raise their rates." The punchline is: "Insurance fraud: its a crime." The implication is that this man spends his days in jail being raped up the ass and beaten by the two ruffs.

    These type of propaganda adds -- and now propaganda cartoons -- are sickening. The idea is to persuade adults to do as the interest group wants by striking terror into them in most cases.

    In the case of this cartoon, its even worse: they're targetting children. They want to brainwash children into accepting *their* viewpoints. This is an attempt by the RIAA/MPAA to sway the younger generations from their natural tendancies to trade information freely, towards the RIAA/MPAA's nazi views, overriding the proper right of parents to morally educate their children.

    In short, this is the RIAA/MPAA doing the same thing to OUR children that Hitler did to the children of Germany. Children were brainwashed, and used as tools against their parents.

    1. Re:Draconian Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL! Godwin to the nth power.

    2. Re:Draconian Propaganda by unitron · · Score: 2

      So you're in favor of exposing young children to second-hand smoke? I really don't see how the first item in your list belongs on it.

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    3. Re:Draconian Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just out of curiosity, is there any kind of law about complete fucking idiots who try to invoke Godwin's law when it doesn't even apply?

    4. Re:Draconian Propaganda by dh003i · · Score: 1

      In response to:

      So you're in favor of exposing young children to second-hand somke? I really don't see how the first item on your list belongs on it.

      It's not that that I'm in favor of doing such. I don't smoke myself, nor have I ever. It's that I don't think we should be telling parents what to do in their own homes(within reasonable extents). More than that, its not really about what I personally support. It's about draconian scare-tactics used in propaganda ads to get people to change their behavior. This one isn't so much of a scare tactic as a guilt-trip tactic. I don't smoke, but, standing up for the rights of those who DO smoke, they don't need to be put through a guilt-trip in their own home. I can see your point in that this particular add -- the "Lets take it outside" anti-smoking ad -- isn't as draconian as the others on the list. Nevertheless, it employs a similarly underlying mechanism: get people to do what you want by manipulating their minds, either with fear or guilt.

  96. EVERYONE, SING ALONG!! by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    P...I...R, Arruuggghhh, we're at it again...A...C...Y..., Why? because we DON'T like you...M...ooo...uuuu...sss..eee.

    DMCA == Dis Mouse's Congressional Administration?

    (off topic, but no ranting)
    I apologise if this has been done (redundant) and to the moderators as well, but, you have to admit, being modded down as a "troll" every time I try to be funny gets a little annoying.
    See it from my point of view, I post something amusing 1 post out of 10 is modded up, the rest down... as a troll... Ok, I got a warped sense of humor, but really now.
    If it is one person...what is your beef?
    If it is several, ok, point taken.
    But modding someone down because you don't like or get their humor is like punishing a child for trying to expand their horizons.
    Modding me down for being an asshole, I'd do the same.
    Modding me down for trying/being funny...that is not right!.)

    Ok, I'm done trying to sweep the tide with a push broom.

    Mmmm..O..OO..S..eeeeee :)

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  97. Use TV to teach critical thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    How does allowing a child to watch hours of television promote critical thinking and individualism? I've grown up with kids who watched TV; every one of them were silly little mediocrities with nothing on their mind save the desire to be just like their peers.

    One does not watch TV in order to learn how to think. One does not conform to others to learn individualism. Using TV to promote critical thinking and individualism is like letting the NAMBLA run daycare centers.


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    1. Re:Use TV to teach critical thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      like letting the NAMBLA run daycare centers.

      Personally, I think that's a great idea.

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  98. It was actually funny, but not for the jokes! by pholus · · Score: 1

    I just kept envisioning the corporate memo that must have led to the creation of this episode. The Proud Family is easily the worst of the shows on the channel, so I can see why the producers kissed whatever they had to in order to survive! I laughed all the way through! :)

  99. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Procter & Gamble / Satanism thing isn't so much an urban legend
    as it is an outright lie spread by Amway distributors.
    I peripherally know a guy who has got involved in Amway. He was always a little weird, and into these get-rich-quick schemes, but now it's like he's been brainwashed by a cult or something. Scary stuff.

  100. it's fine to be aware of the minority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    but not ALL downloading of music is stealing

    True, but I would contend that the vast majority of it is illegal. The majority of people who used Napster "back in the day" were not people looking to get mp3's of CDs they already bought but didn't have on hand. Some people were indeed getting songs for a test drive of sorts - see if they like it and buy the CD if they do. That is still illegal and that's the part I'd like to have legal as I think it hurts both sales and consumers. Right now there is no guarantee that you like what you buy and if there was, consumers would have more confidence in their purchases and be less reluctant to buy CDs. Still, the guy sitting in the cubicle next to me has literally 1000+ mp3s and owns 20-30 CDs total - he is *stealing* - he's really defrauding the artists (and, yes, the record labels I hate at least as much as you do) of their royalties and the way they can keep working as artists.

    I want to see my rights protected but I don't want to have to put up with people bitching that they can't listen to any song, on demand, without compensation for the artists. That's really what it comes down to for most people here - if you can listen to your CD or your mp3 songs that you purchased or burned off your bought CD, would you have anything to complain about that arrangement? As long as sound quality isn't compromised, I say no... and that's what some of the DRM companies are trying to offer. Be protective of your rights but be aware of others' as well.

    1. Re:it's fine to be aware of the minority by Alsee · · Score: 1

      guy sitting in the cubicle next to me has literally 1000+ mp3s and owns 20-30 CDs total - he is *stealing*

      Metaphoricly stealing, perhaps. I think it is a bad idea to press the word "steal" into this usage.

      If I borrow a book from the library, copy it, set up a printing press, run off 100,000 copies, and sell them, am I stealing the book? We have laws against that, and theft/stealing are the wrong ones to apply.

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    2. Re:it's fine to be aware of the minority by ThePilgrim · · Score: 1

      This remineds me a bit like what happens with Perl.

      I origanally downloaded Perl for free. I used it for a couple of years.

      Eventualy I baught the Camel 2nd Edish. I now own The 3rd Ediish of the Camel, the Lepord, the Wolf and the Emu.

      I would NEVER had baught ANY of these boks if I had not first downloaded Perl.

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  101. Freedom of Speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We bitch when a company says something we don't like. We bitch when the government tries to restrict our freedom of speech. Stop bitching.

    1. Re:Freedom of Speech by Rai · · Score: 1

      well, it's also freedom of speech when some imbred hillbilly dons a white hood and starts yelling about how much he hates niggers and jews. it's also freedom of speech when the holier-than-thou, self-righteous fundamentalists say the rest of the world is against God because we don't think like they do. and it's still freedom of speech when i bitch and complain about all of it. (just your bitching is freedom of speech...enjoy it, pal.)

  102. This bears close resemblance... by Pollux · · Score: 2

    ...to a video that our computer club watched over and over again in high school because it was so dumb it was funny. The video was called "Don't Copy that Floppy." Man, I wish I had that video so I could make it to an AVI and distribute it on the internet.

    Basically, guy and gal were playing this "really cool" computer game on a Mac, when gal says "man, I wish I had that game. That is so cool." Guy says "Oh, no problem. I'll make you a copy." Suddenly, this black "rapper" jumps out of the computer screen and does the "Don't Copy that Floppy" rap. It's the dumbest thing I have ever seen in my life, because it made absolutely no sense and the setup of the "storyline" is so manipulated it's pathetic.

    Anyway, in trying to make some kind of point out of this, ever since the internet has given way to the bending of copyright protection issues, corporations have been constantly trying to put out propaganda all over to try and reign things in. It never works, but don't tell corporate America that! (Otherwise, our high school computer club would have stopped making copies of games a long time ago).

    1. Re:This bears close resemblance... by toast0 · · Score: 2

      well... i couldn't find a downloadable copy, but i found a few school districts with a copy of it, and a web page with a synopsis

      http://venus.soci.niu.edu/~cudigest/CUDS4/cud463.t xt

      and also a web page with a teaching plan http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/2607/lesson s/lesson12.html

  103. Re:Ditto for open source by geekguy · · Score: 1

    I can see it now...
    Next eppisode:

    1) Girl discovers Open Source Software

    2) Girl becomes obsesed and is labeled a geek

    3) No one likes girl because she is a geek

    4) Dizzysoft sells girl coppy of Mouse Doors eXtra cool Pro.

    5) Girl becomes popular again because she is using cool overpriced software.

    The lesson: Don't use open source software, if you do no one will like you.

    Proudley sponsored by Microsoft.

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  104. Disney and Propaganda by sid_vicious · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Remember that Disney has a history of propaganda - In the movie "The New Spirit" (a film commisioned from Disney during WWII), Donald Duck reminds Americans that it is their patriotic duty to pay their taxes on time (search for "Donald Duck" - believe me, it's there).

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  105. A message to Disney by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

    7h3 R144 0wN2 j00! w00t!

  106. Re:Disagree with the New Dark Age! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    This post is anonymous because i no longer feel comfortable expressing radical views in the good old US of A:

    I say, when they point out that the actual infringements are the problem, we should agree with them.

    I strongly disagree with this. Notions of intellectual property are fundamentally hostile to freedom of speech. Period. There are no two ways around it. You know the DeCSS and reverse engineering arguments. Tie them together. The law is wrong. Sooner or later, they will lead to a justification for totalitarian control of information and individuals, if Dubya and Osama don't do that to us first. Copyright law is obsolete in the light of new technology, and if we do not force our legal system to justly adapt, we shall all be criminalized. All of us.

    I'm so sick of this whole argument. Look at history. Our knowledge threatens an established power base. Historically, that means that people are silenced in some manner. In all aspects of life and survival, threats are eliminated when possible.


    The bottom line is that COPYRIGHT LAWS ARE OBSOLETE AND OUGHT NOT EXIST IN THEIR CURRENT FORM.

    Non-commercial use must equal fair use, or we plunge into a new dark age. Oh wait, we already have our first scientist maryter....perhaps we are already there. A toast to Dimitry and the New Dark Age!

  107. hahaha by CompuBOb · · Score: 1

    100% Disney Gayness.

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  108. you missed one. probably more... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the Lion king the lion puts his paws on the ground and kicks up some dust. The cloud of dust briefly forms the word "SEX".
    kinda wierd and definetly worth the freeze framing.
    Disney is full of perverts i guess.

    Also, i dont care what anyone says, I did in fact hear the genie say "Take off their clothes" for myself in alladin.

    And one more thing. When I was 17(ouch.. nine years ago) i worked for a small video store and we had a couple of copies of the little mermaid "penis edition".I don't give a rat's ass what disney said those pillars were, if they werent penises, why did they change the cover?

  109. Troy McClure by Strype · · Score: 1

    This reminds me a one of those Simpsons episodes where the school kids are all forced to watch some horrible propaganda video hosted by Troy McClure.

  110. Lawsuit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to see some starving musicians praying their music will get
    downloaded sue Disney for this. All downloadable music isn't illegal after all.
    Thanks for losing my target audience Disney, no more head-banging 6-year olds for me.

  111. But "Say No To Drugs" DID work!! by nobodyman · · Score: 1
    I'm not sure I understand where this "Just Say No didn't work" attitude comes from. Many independent studies show that teenage drug use was on the DECLINE during the Reagan-Bush era (1980-1992). I don't think it's a coincidence that teenage drug use went on the rise soon after Clinton was elected (who incidentally did not inhale) and Anti-drug advertising had it's budget chopped.

    Now.. I'm not here to post a republican diatribe (I'm an independent), but rather to expell this notion that television has no effect/influence on children. The scary thing about Disney's propaganda cartoon is that it can have an influence on children. If television did not have an affect on the minds of those who watched it, then advertisements wouldn't exist!!

    Rather than dismiss all of this, Disney should be called to the mat for such a shameless attempt to further their political agenda.

  112. It's about time by theNeophile · · Score: 1

    ... for everyone on /. to start fighting this perversion of language. Downloading music is not stealing, it is copyright violation. And don't even get me started on "piracy". Words do matter, metaphors are the main way that non-geeks learn about this stuff. Everyone, start calling it copyright violation, when someone calls it stealing correct them, when a website calls it stealing email them. And remember, bad metaphors are double-plus-ungood.
    &lt/rant&gt

  113. The Oft Avoided Question on /. .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why exactly is the copyright system wrong and why exactly do (or should) people have the right to freely copy other's copyrighted material?

    Whether this cartoon is serious or a parody, there is a serious implication. The music industry as we know it could be destroyed along with our copyright system. That may or may not be a bad thing, but it is naive to believe that it is a good thing just because it allows you to get music for free. Ultimately there is a question of incentive and whatever system has to contain a way to cause people to want to create and distribute music and books.

    1. Re:The Oft Avoided Question on /. .... by Rai · · Score: 1

      i believe the argument is more in favor of consumer rights (i.e. if i want to encode the cd i just bought to mp3s, i should be able to do that) than piracy.

    2. Re:The Oft Avoided Question on /. .... by vinnythenose · · Score: 1

      I agree. If I buy a CD, I should be able make copies... but the catch is... for myself. I don't think it is right to post spread copyrighted material around. I know I'm being a bit hypocritical because I download mp3s, but I download them with the "hey, I like this music, when the funds are available I'm going to buy the CD/record and delete the mp3s".

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    3. Re:The Oft Avoided Question on /. .... by Rai · · Score: 1

      if you buy the cd, why should you have to delete the mp3s? and what about live performances, unreleased material, etc that you can't buy? why should you not be allowed to download that?

    4. Re:The Oft Avoided Question on /. .... by vinnythenose · · Score: 1

      I just delete mp3s out of choice. I'd rather listen to my CDs.

      But yah, it's always a tough one with unreleased material and live performances. I usually keep them. I've never been sure where bootlegs sit with the law, is it only illegal if you try and sell them?

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  114. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by Telek · · Score: 2

    I am very well versed in those psychological effects, I have studied them.

    If you don't believe me, go and listen to it yourself. I brought my brother and mother into the room and said "listen" and they heard it, clear as day, without knowing what they were listening for.

    As I said, go listen for it yourself and then reply.

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  115. Re:Anti-american activities by PhantomHarlock · · Score: 1
    Wasn't Mr Disney himself a zealous collaborationist with the sinister Mc Carthy commission?

    Yes and this is not offtopic, mod up parent!

    For refrence on Walt's anti-semetic, facist past, please see "Walt Disney: Hollywood's Dark Prince" out of print, but available used. (see link)

    Also, you can hear a Real Audio movie excerpting the book. -Mike

  116. One problem by einTier · · Score: 2
    When we come up with scenarios and movies like this, everyone assumes we are being absurd, alarmist, or irrational.


    Somehow, we've not only got to create these things, but we have to make Joe Sixpack understand that what we're saying is not hyperbole. Sadly, if we don't act quick, the media providers will do it for us -- only it will be too late.

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    1. Re:One problem by Gray+Space · · Score: 1

      I think the problem is, is that most of *us* are moronic ridiculuous idiots when compared to the people who sway the opinion of the masses (aka. the moronic ridiculuous idiots). We're just not smart enough to fight this sort of thing and the big companies already have a head start that's larger than our lifespan. Until we smarten up, 90% of our brains will still be totally filled by bad information leading to incorrect conclusions leading to ineffective counter-action. Any kind of activism is *never* as well organised as a corporation and generally doesn't have as large a life-span. In fact I'll go as far as to say that activism, activist groups, or individuals are pretty much the tools of the corporations. In short, we're like bacteria trying to wage war with the Sun, we're not smart enough.

  117. Disney, Igor Stravinsky and copyrights by richieb · · Score: 1
    Disney wanted to use Igor Stravinsky's "The Rite of Spring" music in their animated film "Fantasia". When they proposed the project to Stravinsky, he did not want anything to do with this project and he hated the way his music was used in the movie.

    Disney said: we're going to use the music anyways, since you (i.e. Stravisky) are Russian and US does not abide by Russian copyrights.

    For a reference look here (this is after a quick google search).

    Now, what was it Disney said about "protecting the artists"????

    ...richie

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    1. Re:Disney, Igor Stravinsky and copyrights by Onan+The+Librarian · · Score: 1

      Ja, I was going to post this info too. There was once a copy of the letter WD sent Igor (published in one of the Stravinsky bios I think), it was pretty raw, concerning the fact that since he was a Russkie they just didn't need his permission. Btw, I believe Stravinsky referred to Fantasia as an imbecility. Right on. Disney makes crappy movies for morons, always has, always will. So stop watching crap. Read more books. Go hear more live music. Stop supporting the RIAA and the MPAA, don't buy their swill anyway. Learn to play an instrument, make your own music.

  118. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to know spanish to get this one (or at least the bad words)

    Say the word "Bronca" a bunch of times and you'll start to smile :)

    BTW, it was no "verbal illusion" in aladdin, the fuckers at disney just get kicks out of confusing little kids. Kinda like the big hairy cock in Fight Club

  119. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I peripherally know a guy who has got involved in Amway. He was always a little weird, and into these get-rich-quick schemes, but now it's like he's been brainwashed by a cult or something

    Well, I guess there are others out there that share my pain
    I had a really good friend i worked with, he was kind of trekkie, definetly a dork, but a friend nonetheless.
    He got invloved in amway and now he sounds like a goddamn commercial for them.
    I dont give a shit if they went online and call it quixtar now. Its still amway and its still a cult leading millions of innocent jerry springer watching kansas trailer park dwellers to hell.
    What the hell do they mean "I have to spend money on soap anyways so why not make money on it?"

    Fight the real enemy!!!!!!!!

  120. Disney's Mirrorshades by Bugmaster · · Score: 1
    Mr. Guy from Free Jackster: "I know you are afraid I am trying to show you a world without rules." Teen girl says, "No, its wrong."
    Wait, I don't get it. Did Disney just identify themselves with an evil, borg-like, inhuman AI (the antagonist) who was defeated by Neo (the protagonist) in The Matrix ? I can see the ad billboards now: "You... are a disease, a plague. And Disney's Bambi is the cure !"

    Um, here is a clue, Disney: if you are going to use a movie in your propaganda, watch it first. It helps.

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  121. Cap'n Planet by dmaxwell · · Score: 2

    I can just see that Exxon boardroom now...

    "With our new Gushermatic2000 wells and MegaPipeline; we'll drain the ANWR in no time. We'll cut down all the trees too and piss on them for the hell of it. Muhahahahahah!!

    Those meddling Planeteers will never stop us!!

    I'm getting aroused just thinking about. Quick! Somebody find me a baby seal......"

    1. Re:Cap'n Planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need a dose of Heart!

    2. Re:Cap'n Planet by LordKariya · · Score: 1

      At first glance, I thought

      I'm getting aroused just thinking about. Quick! Somebody find me a baby seal......"

      said

      I'm getting aroused just thinking about. Quick! Somebody find me a baby to steal......"

      I kind of like the latter even better !

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  122. Proud Family and the green eyed monster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the cartoon's creator's are pissed that you can find episodes of He-Man and StrawberryShortcake on gnutella/dc/fasttrack but no Proud Family. I guess no-one really cares. Hopefully, this episode will make the cut and all of this will blow over and the creators of Proud Family will no longer feel jilted.

  123. I am cheap and lazy by Bugmaster · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Cheap and lazy - that's me in a nutshell. I would only be willing to pay for music if:
    1. When I buy a piece of music, I get the rights to listen to it on any set of devices I choose, and even (gasp !) whistle it while I walk down the street. I should also get the rights to give this music to my friend for his birthday.

    2. I am only willing to pay for songs I want to hear. This means that I will not buy a bundle of 12 music tracks for $25 if I only intend to listen to one of them.

    3. Similarly, I am not going to pay for a random song I have never heard, only to find out it sucks. I will only buy a song if I am able to preview it. I don't care about the quality of the preview.

    4. I do, however, care about the quality of the actual product. If I am unable to buy the song in the bitrate of my choice, I am not moving.

    5. I am fat and lazy. I would pay for the privilege of being able to download the song without moving from my chair.

    6. I am also quite spiteful. I remember at all times that I am spending my hard-earned cash on pure entertainment - so my shopping experience better be pleasant. This means no popups, no ad banners, no spam. Just the song, please.

    7. And yes, I am cheap. I will not pay $50 for a single song, no mater how much Sir Paid a-Lot the rapper wants me to.

    In practice, many of the points above are already implemented. I can find pretty much any song I want on gnutella/morpheus networks. All the songs I find are pretty low-quality (enough for preview, though). If the kazaa client removed all the annoying ads, and added a plain old button next to each download, saying "buy this song for $xx.yy", I would click that button and buy the songs I like. Doesn't look like that button is coming any time soon, though.

    Meanwhile, I stopped buying CDs, since the last 5 CDs that I bought only contained a single song that was worth listening to; and I had to spend some precious CPU cycles encoding it to MP3 so that I could listen to it. The hassle is not worth it.

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    1. Re:I am cheap and lazy by Cuthalion · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, I stopped buying CDs, since the last 5 CDs that I bought only contained a single song that was worth listening to

      Surely you knew that before you bought it (#3). Perhaps you were buying the wrong music.

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    2. Re:I am cheap and lazy by Bugmaster · · Score: 1

      Well, no... That was my fault, really. I liked the one song, so I assumed the rest would be good to. It would have helped to download them first, so I could realize how crappy they are.

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  124. Scary by mr_monkey56k · · Score: 1

    I found a more disturbing hidden message in the description of this cartoon: The cops showing up at the kid's house seemed to be used to make the watching children afraid of the authority they might anger if they use these services: REMEMBER KIDS, NEVER PISS OFF THE GESTAPO!

  125. fix the link? by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2

    Can someone fix the link for this article? I clicked it and didn't find anything whatsoever about disney - just a blank article with a sidebar. I searched around on the site for a while but failed to find ay article with a reference to "disney".

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  126. CowboyNeal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    jik-

    1. Re:CowboyNeal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, that little 20 second block works REALLY well :P

      Just hit the back button and submit again....more pointless and nonfunctional lameness filtering from /.

      jik-

  127. Umm... by Shin+Elendale · · Score: 1
    Was this serious, or was Disney parodying themselves?
    Seriously, that was crazy stuff.

    -Elendale

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  128. Sheesh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'I'm shocked... shocked to learn that gambling is going on in this establishment!", that is what the Inspector said in the movie "Casablanca" and the line immediately following that line was "Your winnings, sir...", as the casino worker handed the Inspector a wad of money. My point? You are naive in the extreme to think that this is blatant propaganda: WOW, you are shocked!! You are assaulted with blatant propaganda nearly every minute ot the day, and you call this recent installment of the usual propaganda shocking... Do I denounce this crap by Disney? Yes. Is your post inane? Certainly. Your perspective is narrow. You have to be hit over the head before you notice you are being hoodwinked.

  129. Whois Record EZJACKSTER.COM by jjr · · Score: 3

    Registrant:
    Disney Enterprises, Inc. (EZJACKSTER-DOM)
    500 S. Buena Vista Street
    Burbank, CA 91521
    US

    Domain Name: EZJACKSTER.COM

    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
    DNS Operations (DO1293-ORG) dns-ops@DIG.COM
    dig.com
    506 Second Ave. Suite 2100
    Seattle, WA 98104
    USA
    (206) 664-4000
    Fax- (206) 664-4009
    Billing Contact:
    idNames, Accounting (IA90-ORG) accounting@IDNAMES.COM
    idNames from Network Solutions, Inc
    440 Benmar
    Suite #3325
    Houston, TX 77060
    US
    703-742-4777
    Fax- - 281-447-1160

    Record last updated on 25-Jan-2001.
    Record expires on 25-Jan-2003.
    Record created on 25-Jan-2001.
    Database last updated on 22-Oct-2001 14:14:00 EDT.

    Domain servers in listed order:

    NS0.STARWAVE.COM 204.202.132.15
    SENS01.DIG.COM 204.202.132.16

    1. Re:Whois Record EZJACKSTER.COM by Alsee · · Score: 1

      At first I thought the post was a joke, but that is the actual listing.

      You can even search it yourself.

      Samspade.org has lots of cute internet research tools.

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  130. Disney and Propaganda by Ramen+Weasel · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Disney has a history of propaganda. In the past, it's been war propaganda in the case of World War II. Now, in the growing war between large corporations and the consumers just out for a fair deal, Disney has chosen a side. How can they justify it? Here's how old Walt justified two anti-Nazi films:

    As for "DER FUEHRER'S FACE," we feel that a public character such as Donald Duck, writhing rebelliously in the clutches of the Nazis, will bring the situation home to every man, woman and child in this country as plainly as though they were witnessing the discomfiture of their own grandmothers. For Donald belongs to them like a member of their own family, and we guarantee they will end up hating Hitler twenty times more than if they had gone through the same ordeal with some curlyhaired hero who is, after all, merely another movie actor

    Replace Hitler with copyright law breakers. Wouldn't it be nice if they stuck to REAL ISSUES?

  131. ez-jackster.com is available by jjr · · Score: 2

    So is
    ez-jackster.net
    ez-jackster.org
    ezjackster.net
    ezjackster.org
    ez-jackster.net
    ez-jackster.org
    ez-jackster.com

    just if some one wants to have fun with them

    ezjackster.com(is taken by disney how funny)

  132. Propoganda == Bad ?? by pclminion · · Score: 1
    I see a lot of people comparing this piece of propoganda with the early 80's propoganda of "Just Say No."

    Since you people vehemently defend the copying of music, do you also vehemently defend the use of drugs? Simply because there was a propoganda campaign against it?

    My point is not that drugs are bad; I would be hypocritical to claim such (well then again, I don't consider marijuana a drug). My point is, when does propoganda become bad? Is there such a thing as "good propoganda?"

    1. Re:Propoganda == Bad ?? by Rai · · Score: 1

      nope, i think whatever you do with your own body is nobody's business but yours. and whatever you do with the music/movies/etc you own is likewise nobody's business but yours.

  133. Daffy Duck was black by DEATH+AND+HATRED · · Score: 1

    I dont think this counts (i cant remember which cartoons were done by who) but ANYWAYS, Ive heard Daffy Duck's color was black so that black people would be portrayed in a negative way. Ever seen a black duck?

    1. Re:Daffy Duck was black by Skevos+Mavros · · Score: 1

      >Ever seen a black duck?

      Erm, yes! Many!

      http://www.qc.ec.gc.ca/faune/sauvagine/html/blac k_ duck.html

    2. Re:Daffy Duck was black by radja · · Score: 2

      >Ever seen a black duck?

      yes, but I already knew the guy couldn't cook..

      //rdj

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  134. Regarding The Extention Of Copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A poster on OSDN has drawn a link between Disney and the extension of copyright and the fact that the copyright on Mickey was about to expire.

    While this may be correct, it has been alleged deep within Operation Clambake that another major factor was that the late Scientologist, Senator Sonny Bono, played a leading role in introducing the legislation that extended copyright to 99 years, with the aim of protecting their revenue stream^W^W mysterious, Constitutionally-Protected Religious Sekrits.

    Ignore the influence of this bizarre, delusional, fanatical organisation at your peril.

    (Thank God/Bob for the [x] Post Anonymously button.)

    1. Re:Regarding The Extention Of Copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the late Scientologist, Senator Sonny Bono

      Didn't know he was a Scientologist besides being bought and paid for by Disney. Guess it's some consolation to know he's in Hell now.

      ~~~

  135. You are completely wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stealing is defined by the laws of the states and nation.

    By our laws, things such as songs can be the property of the creator. As his property the law gives him the right to control its copying and distribution. Interfering with that right is defined by the law as stealing.

    Plain and simple. Don't try to rationalize it.

    We can debate whether this law is right or wrong, but we have to understand that this is a legal question. Personally, I agree that people should be able to control the copying and distribution of their creative works.

  136. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you are all gullible fucks.

  137. No by delmoi · · Score: 2

    I mean Divx, the encoding standard used by most Video pirates out there :) (think MP3 of video)

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  138. I havent seen such blatant propaganda... by mgblst · · Score: 1

    and media manipulation since i watched CNN last night... truly shocking.

  139. Brainwash them while they�re young! ! by CodemonkeyUK · · Score: 1

    Not content with pushing racial stereotypes and 'christian' values they're even trying to protect their content, how nice... NOW WHERES MY KAZAA, ah right here...

  140. We all clearly hate the record companies but... by philipdl71 · · Score: 1

    We clearly all hate the record companies and their abuse of artists. But in all seriousness, if the situation is really that bad and artists aren't making enough money why are they continuing to sign with the record companies? The truth, although most open source people would be afraid to admit it is that the record companies are providing very effective marketing to artists.. albeit at an extremely higher price.

    You probably think that we shouldn't support the record industry at this time and I would be forced to agree with you. It is moronic to pay $18 for a cd! Paying these high costs especially at a time when they want to eliminate fair use, only reinforces their current business model.

    But, what I can't stand are people that do think that it is OK to download mp3's and listen to them without reimbursing the artist at all. What we need to convince the record companies to do is to downsize significantly (firing people is always hard to do) and to change their business model in regards to the internet, and of course to reduce their prices and to stop eliminating fair use.

    I would argue that the internet is of course changing everything. But I still think that the artists deserve to charge whatever they want to sell their music at. I think that the copying of any copyrighted work without authorization is completely wrong. Do you feel that we should tell all the children that there is NOTHING wrong with downloading music online without reimbursing the artist?

    Anyone that believes that they should have a divine right to download music and listen to it at their leisure without reimbursing the artist, clearly does not understand capitalism and what it is to be American.

    If I decide to compose a trumpet virtuoso over the next year I deserve all of the proceeds from the sale of my music (aside from those that I have exchanged to the record companies in exchange for promotion on radio stations, etc.) If someone decides to hand out copies of my music for free or if file-sharing networks spring up to exchange copies of my music there is something wrong with this. After all why would I continue to compose excellent music if it was just going to be looted and stolen from me?

  141. Check out this mp3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DJ Keoki made a song called.. ready for it..
    "Pass it on"

    not a super beat, but interesting to see apparent approval of the direction music appreciation is heading.

  142. Pencils... by CdotZinger · · Score: 1


    ...but you have to pay RedEraser $300 per Sharpening Incident.

    ...

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  143. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by mav[LAG] · · Score: 2

    Same with the dust that was in the movie... The Lion King? (I don't remember which movie it was, could have been Alladin was well) that spelled out "SEX" if you played it in slow motion

    Actually it spells SFX - the name of the company that did many of the digital effects in The Lion King. This has been confirmed by them - don't have a url to hand but IMDB is probably a good start.

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  144. Simpsons too by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2

    I think there was a Simpsons episode where Homer hooks up cable TV and Lisa reminds him of the fifth commandment (thou shalt not steal) - completely missing the point that Homer's use of the TV does not deprive anyone else of it and so is difficult to describe as 'stealing'. I haven't seen this episode, so I could just be making it up.

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  145. Retail Problem by SinisterAngel · · Score: 0

    Anyone think that it might be the execs jackin all the money? Obviously this shiz happens in the real world, but in the wonderful world of propoganda, it's always 'their' fault.

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  146. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if it isn't good teenagers take off their clothes..

    Scat, good tiger?

    WTF?

    Scat?

    Euuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuw. Brown chocolate ain't tasty!

  147. IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Maybe the Corporate Mongrels at Disney believe subtle brainwashing of 5 year olds will prevent future diminishings of their millions. I am sorry BUT 5 year olds dont buy much music. The Teen -20's crowd buys the most - the same crowd that use file swapping the most.
    2. While there will always be a way around copyrights, the corporate world will have the ability to make it inconvenient enough to be a pain in the neck for the massive technically illiterate crowds. Look at napster - once the technology got easy enough for the masses, it was destroyed. Yes you can crack DVD encryption, but only techno nerds can figure out how or figure out where to look.

  148. Re:Names have been changed to protect the innocent by nealbutler · · Score: 1
    They have an article, containing pretty much the same summary, over here.

    nb

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  149. ez-jackster.com... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is still available. C'mon - someone register and have fun with posting links to all the "Di$ney sux rox througa straw big-time" sites.

  150. We need... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

    All of the above. ;-)

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  151. Ah, yes, Disney's done it again.... by LittleGuy · · Score: 1

    Disney's "Digital Reefer Madness", with music composed and written by Lars Ullrich...

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  152. That's the RIGHT way to handle this issue by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

    Actually little messages like this are probably a GOOD thing. Make the public feel GUILTY about stealing software, music, and video and maybe cowel us into doing the RIGHT thing, buy our own copies! If we all respected the copyrights of others maybe the idea of the government putting hardware and software into our computers to FORCE us into doing the right thing would go away. Also things like MACROVISION and COPY PROTECTED CD's would never have surfaced if people were honest. It's because of greed on the consumers part that our rights to fair use have been take away. Mind you I'm not saying that the media companies greed hasn't played a part in this. (Such as wanting to own a piece of the MP3 market, or rather to CREATE a PAYING market for MP3's instead of letting people create their own via fair use of CD's they already own).

  153. They don't explain... by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

    The funny thing is, they don't even *explain* their position. They just take it for granted that labels not making money and record stores going out of business is a BAD thing. In that same vein where is all the buggy-whip propaganda? "Oh no kids! All the bugy-whip stores will go out of business! Please don't drive cars! It's communism!"

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  154. A little joke about this kind of campain by famazza · · Score: 3, Funny

    A couple was arrested for using marijuana, (Drugs are bad, Mmmkay) and the police gave them a chance. They need to convince kids to not use drugs.

    The girl went to the blackboard and draw to circles, one 10" sized and other 50" sized. And said, "This big circle is you brain before the drugs, and this small circle is your brain after the drugs. Don't do drugs"

    The boy then went to the blackboard and using the same two circles said, "This smal circle is you ass before jail, and this big circle is your ass after being in jail

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    Where is the funny?

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  155. Coming Soon to the Disney Channel... by glindsey · · Score: 1

    They're an elite band of commandos, protecting Truth, Freedom, and the American Way! They are...

    The Super Secret Security Corps of America!

    Yes, the SSSCA fight hard to protect children everywhere from the evil forces of the Fiendish Terror Protectorate and the Insidious Razor-Claws, led by a dark and evil overlord known only as the "New Teller". These foes try to corrupt our nation's youth, brainwashing them into stealing Intellectual Property from good, law-abiding corporations everywhere!

    Join us, every Saturday morning at 9:00am, as we cheer them on: "Go, go, SSSCA!"

    (Note: "Go, go, SSSCA" is a copyrighted phrase owned by the Disney Channel. A fee of 10 cents will be assessed for each utterance of the phrase. The Super Secret Security Corps of America(tm) cannot be timeshifted in any form. The use of a recording device in conjunction with this performance constitutes theft under United States Criminal Law.)

  156. captain planet and population control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    someone already mentioned capatain planet here--a disturbing experiment by Ted Turner to propoganda'ize the youngsters of america.

    Do you remember the episode where they went to the alien planet where everyone wanted to have more than 2 kids because their religion or culture said it was okay. But by the end the guy realized that having more than 2 kids was like killing everyone on the planet, and Captian Planet saved the day by helping the fella to determine to have a small family and denounce his crazy religion (slight exageration there)

    The proud family is Disney's attempt to meet the Jr. WB network market (young african american children) it appears somewhat 'stereotypical' to me.....I haven't noticed any of their white oriented programs attacking file sharing. It's the evil racist conspiracy of Eisner and the mouse (who really is a demonic possesed puppet pulling the strings of eisner and the like)

    Where is Jesse Jackson when you need him?

  157. A little scary by jspey · · Score: 1

    With the way every content company is a big megacorp that makes TV shows, movies, and music, it's very possible that they could completely inundate kids with messages that file sharing is the same as stealing, and stealing is bad. If it happens often enough, kids will absorb the message without thinking about it. The only reason it's so scary that all the media companies will all start pushing the same message is because they all have such a huge vested interest in pushing this particular message.

    Mr. Spey

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  158. Opensource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disney should do something on the evils of 'opensource' and the GPL Empire next

    *SIGH*

  159. sex and disney by Rai · · Score: 1

    for a company that seems obsessed with hidding erected penises, dildos, and whispered messages like "hey kids, take off your clothes", this seems to be an odd departure.

    was the 'ez jackster' logo shaped like a strap-on?

  160. Scary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is scary. Next thing you know they'll put out blasphemous movies and start paying doctors to kill babies! I think we should boycott Disney.

  161. Episode 2 by Shagg · · Score: 2
    We see a RIAA exec rolling in a room full of cash while "artists" slave away in an ajoining dungeon. The artists are begging for a .025% raise this year, and the RIAA exec responds "Shut up or we'll sue you for having free will".


    Fade the scene to a room next door where a line of customers are bent over...

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  162. They've done this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember when I was a kid, I saw a Disney cartoon which was like this one, only it was encouraging people to invest money in corporates, and how wonderful corporates/investment is.
    Does anybody else remember it?

  163. Disney About-Face by gordguide · · Score: 1

    "... Will Penny listen to her parents?"

    Wow! A Disney production where the parents aren't dead? Groundbreaking!

  164. OT - Thanks for the Boondocks links by MidnightLog · · Score: 1


    Thanks for the link(s)! Can't believe I missed that set of strips. Boondocks is the best cartoon that is printed by our local paper. I guess I'll have to start reading it daily (online of course - dead tree news is just a Sunday thing).

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  165. Very funny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless linux comes up with a viable version of
    DRM that allows legitimate fair use( making compilation cd's from music you previously purchase is, file swapping isn't) eventually the
    powers that be will steamroll a solution which
    will have nothing to like about it.
    Should file swapping be sacrificed for more legitimate types of fair use?
    Absolutely.
    I don't won't the computer world remade in the
    RIAA 's image just so people can steal music.
    Any train of thought that thinks different is
    just monumental rationalization.

  166. Bitch Stole My Ruby Red Slippers by stu42j · · Score: 1

    I saw this play called "Bitch Stole My Ruby Red Slippers" which was a parody of the Pop Music Industry based on the "Wizard of Oz". In it, "The Wizard" was the head of the record company. Coincidence?

  167. Small point by Outland+Traveller · · Score: 1

    Not to be picky but the gauls had a celtic culture related to the better known celts in the british isles.

    The romans had a tendancy of calling all non-romans barbarians. It's a bit too subjective a term.

    1. Re:Small point by altagir · · Score: 1

      To be even more picky, Gauls = Celts

      "Gallia / Gaul / ..." was the latin name. Inhabitants were calling themselves "kelts / ...".

      This is not a related culture, this was the celtic culture, which disappeared after the roman invasion and subsisted only in places where roman influence arrived much later (Scotland, Ireland, and west of france to some extent)

      Anyway, what's the link with Nike exactly ?

  168. I saw this.. by CobesTheGreat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just happened to be looking for something to watch, and believe it or not out of all 200+ channels this was all I could find. It was quite funny, maybe someone will post a divx of it on gnutella? ;-)

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  169. Re:If you think stealing copyrighted songs is evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "WE" also think you are a complete moron.

  170. mod this down... by bitrott · · Score: 1

    This is old hash. Disney drew from the same inspiration that Nadia drew from : 2000 Leagues, Jules Verne aesthetics and plain old adventurism. Artistically Disney did a far superior job of it too, AND unless you're a kid, or easily entertained by toons (like me) Nadia's certainly no better than Atlantis, indeed the story line may be better developed but we're not talking Mononoke here.... Just get off it