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New Trailer For The Two Towers
Drakkar writes "As most of you know, the new trailer for the Two Towers was online last night for AOL users, but the link was given on the official site, LordofTheRings.net. It's in real player format. A new trailer with higher quality will be up tonight, midnight ET.
This new piece of film is awesome. (the song at the end of the trailer isn't from the TTT soundtrack, it's from the movie Requiem for a Dream)" xTK-421x points to more links: "Now available is the new 3 minute trailer for Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. Available here in MOV and here in RM. Reported first at Aint It Cool News."
this is gonna suck ass
that MOV link from AOL came in at 400 Kbps. fastest download from a slashdot-linked site, ever?
MORTAR COMBAT!
considering that the full-length film of "return of the king" can now be downloaded.
This would be exciting if I didn't already know what is going to happen.
This isn't like Signs or some other movie I'm anticipating without knowing the full story. Its just a very good interpretation of a book I've read.
Mind you, I'll be seeing it opening night, but the trailers just don't excite me like movies where I DON'T know the full plot.
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
I work at Stormfront Studios in San Rafael, CA and I'd also like to note here that our game based on the first and second movies comes out on October 22nd in North America. I only mention here because this is the first game for me and I am very proud of our team. It is published by EA and will be available for the PS2. We're all fiending to see the second movie as we've gotten to see only bits and pieces along the way and are dying to see the finished product! I've been a Slashdot lurker for quite a few years now and finally have something worth posting! Congrats to the whole team.
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I didn't see the first one, since I'm always disappointed if I see a movie after reading the book. The reviews I hear from people who have also read the book are 50/50 loved it/hated it. Can a movie really ever replicate the visions of Gandalf, Frodo et al the reader creates for him/herself? And how can a movie really show the internal struggles that, for example, Boromir went through or Sam went through after Frodo went down for the count?
Check this one out. The costumes and the special effects are some of the best I've ever seen!
Really, check it out!
Josh Winslow
Does anyone have a higher res version?
-Sean
Let's /. those bastards for not providing deacent videoformats like .mpeg or divx.
the song is by clint mansell, who also did the music for pi.
Seriously. I'm amazed at the excitement generated by an advertisement. Hey Look! Nike has a new commercial out, it is SO awesome!
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Bah, it's in RM and MOV formats....!
After the amount of junk the players for both of those installed on my machine last time I tried them I won't have them on my machine.
Anyone know any software for windows that will play either of those formats without installing a whole load of junk as well?
Sig is taking a break!
If you just can't stand not knowing what's coming up in the next movie, rumor has it the 2nd book (and even the 3rd and final book) are out now! ;c)
But, well, I suppose this is better since it can reach more platforms. Have never liked Real, for some reason though.
Ciryon
For us LotR addicts, a frame by frame analysis is available at:
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http://www.theonering.net/movie/preview/ttt_09300
Additionally there is official frame by frame footage available at Lordoftherings.net
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hold on, let me shit my pants and spend 10 minutes downloading the trailer from the slashdotted server, sweating and farting, until this geek ambrosia can fill me with its sword-and-sorcery goodness.
god. please get lives, people.
...the full movie has been out on KaZaA for about 6 months now ;)
And what kind of horsepower do you need to pull two towers anyway?
Seems like it would just be easier to just screw the trailer and leave the towers in the same spot.
paintball
Clint Mansell, by the way, is a goddamn genius.
pooptruck
Trailer? Pffh!
Everyone else and I have had all 4 DVD-rip SVCDs already for a month!
I got them here!
Of Gandalf's final fight with the Demon
Of Gandalf's new kickass horse
Of how Gollum compares to the hobbits in size (he is smaller)
Of Treebeard
Even the eye looks slightly different this time.
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It was indeed used in Requiem.
I haven't read the book in a long time, but weren't the Ents introduced in this one, I think they showed one in the preview. On a loosely related topic, and forgive me if I'm an idiot, but are they the one's who destroy Saruman's tower? I'm too lazy to check out the book and read it again.
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I'm aware that most people who care have read the novel (I know I have)... but this trailer spoils almost every major plot point in the thing!
*SPOILER WARNING*
It's got the group meeting Gandalf again, Gandalf talking with the king, the city evacuating and going to war at helm's deep, it's got gollum attacking frodo and slam, then eventually leading them to mordor. and more.
*END SPOILER*
I mean, way to lone gunmen are dead the thing.
The whole of the Lord of the Rings trilogy (and the Hobbit and other books in the series) were written many years ago.
The Hobbit (or as it was also titled as "There and Back Again) was written in 1937
The Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers were written in 1954 and Return of the King was in 1955.
So no, the name has nothing to do with 9/11. The two towers are referring to the two towers mentioned in the whole of the LotR trilogy.
All this information and more is available from www.tolkiensociety.org/tolkien/biblio_frame.html
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Now I can watch it in linux!
What's the word on the ents? I heard they were going to leave out the ents. Also, rumors abound regarding other aspects of the movie. Is it true that Merry and Pippin are going to be portrayed smoking "Shire leaf" out of some sort of a water pipe? Will Legolas be killed, his death avenged by an enraged Gimli? Will there really be a love scene between Samwise and Mr. Frodo? Thanks for any clues.
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I've been wondering about this for a while, and since there's an url associated with the movie, I figured I'd stick this one here.
.movie (.mov) or .film (.flm) suffix for all movie websites? I'm REALLY sick of seeing advertizements with urls attached like "reallylongmoviename_themovie.net" and such.
why on earth hasn't hollywood suggested, and gotten a
Plus you could have a directory page (newmovies.mov, or movies.mov) that has links, and possibly reviews/synopses, etc)...
I know it's offtopic, but only sort of...
hmmmm?
I don't know why people want to watch trailers before they see a movie. Far too often the trailers give away all of the plot twists and make the whole plot of the movie far to predictable. I haven't read the LOTR books, so I don't intend to watch any trailers before I see the movie.
What the hell is going on here? I was actually able to go to the link and actually see the content of the article. Hell I was even able to see the trailer.
/.'ed 30 comments ago. What are you people doing for heaven sake? Working?
You people are slacking! That site should have been
-- Wiccan Army, 13th Airborne Division "We will not fly silently into the night"
I quess it's the same trailer I downloaded earlier today.
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If most of us know... why the fuck did you submit a story about it? Were you afraid the rest of us wouldn't find it on our own?
The attacks on SEPTEMBER 11 have AFFECTED ME VERY DEEPLY. If this ASS HOLE is ALLOWED to KEEP THIS TITLE, I will kill myself.
Society's loss, I guess...
GMD
watch this
Since they give away a lot in the trailer that would be a spoiler if most everyone (on /.) hadn't read the books already.
I'm telling people not to watch it if they haven't seen the movie, since it spoils some surprises.
K
In Vino Veritas
I don't know what that other person saw, but LOTR1 was a fantastic movie. You could feel all 3 hours, though, (since so much happens it feels like you've been there forever) but the special effects make it worth it. I don't know how you could NOT like the movie unless you're a Tolkien stickler. If that's the case, woe is you.
I'm still waiting for Elric: The Movie. Are you reading this, Michael Moorcock?
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The name sounds like it could have almost been the name of a character in LOTR. Thanks for the information. Has anyone found a source of the music on the early trailer for the first movie. I beleive it was 'Gothic Power' but never could find it.
Cave, wreck, and deep diver.
why on earth hasn't hollywood suggested, and gotten a .movie (.mov) or .film (.flm) suffix for all movie websites? I'm REALLY sick of seeing advertizements with urls attached like "reallylongmoviename_themovie.net" and such.
/.'ers. (Personally, I think the most amazing thing about this story is that these links appear, so far, to be unslashdottable.) but does anyone know how "OT" came into use as shorthand for "off-topic?" What's the shorthand for "on-topic?"
I'd rather see them not even use domain names at all, and instead follow Sony Pictures' example of placing all their movie sites under the studio's domain.
Instead, I'd like to see them add a domain ".dum" for all stupid websites.
Let me say, though, that I think your post was quite on-topic, insofar as the original post was of interest to
Now, if only the score /was/ composed by the Kronos Quartet.. or anyone besides the composer of the first movie. If I had one movie I'd nominate for worst musical score last year, it would have been the Lord of the Rings. Typical, manipulative quasi-classical James Horner crap.
What? The audience is to feel panic and relief within a few frames? Let's swell the strings, let everybody know that things are going to be ok.
Peter Jackson should have known better. He's used the best in the past (Danny Elfman, The Frighteners), and I can't understand why he'd settle for such blandness in the present.
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I'm for once loooking forward to a couple of sci-fi flicks. Oddly(?), they are both sequels. LOTR/FOTR and Matrix both gave us acting (or casting, in Keanu Reeve's case), storyline and character development. I hope the Sci-fi community notices that the stakes are higher now. We are developing a taste for quality beyond expensive effects.
The fact that the plots in both movies were without gaping holes also contributed to a good experience.
Stop the brainwash
I just watched the TTT trailer and I must say, I just can't get excited about any of the LotR movies...
;-)
my question, why am I in such a minority here?
Maxtrix 2/3 on the other hand...
-- "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so.
It was on all the P2P networks, mis-named to "LOTR:The Two Towers.Yes.This.Is.Real.And.Not.A.Trailer.DivX.avi "
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I didn't read the books, I thought the first one was boring, I mean it was almost 3 hours long, and frankly was not that exciting. I'm not trying to put down the movie as a whole, it was OK, but I don't see what all the excitment is about, I'm much more excited about the matrix sequel myself. star wars, lucas killed it, it's too late.
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TTT? Let's call it T3, just to confuse everybody.
This is not a sig.
I'm sure we can all wait until it comes out on network television so we're much less directly supporting the MPAA, right? Or is the MPAA only evil on days that are not December 18?
I suppose we could just purchase one ticket, then pass it around to everyone we know.
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It is named "Two Towers" because American can win only in Fantasy.
I'm excited about these movies mainly because of the spectacle and look of the things...not because I don't know how the movie turns out. I'm starting to really _hate_ trailers that show all the groovy bits of a movie before their opening day...to the point where I deliberately look away and don't watch them when they appear in the theatre or on TV. In some cases, I've attended movies that gave very little more than the trailers did...one of my fave comments to the wife now is 'I guess we don't have to see _that_ movie now...'...and we don't!
I want my first sight of a great movie to actually be _in_ the movie theatre when it starts to roll. Am I weird?
..Anyone know where the piece from the FotR trailer was from?
The "duh nuh, duh nuh, duh nuh nuuuuh" bit. They played it for the Dark Angel season premier awhile back, as well. (It was the trailer that showed them in Moria and such.)
No one seems to know where the hell it's from, and it's driving me mad, as it's a really nice bit of music. *snicker*
Go to the bookstore. Buy the book "The Two Towers". Turn all the lights in your computer room to off. Turn the brightness on your monitor way up and make sure energy saving features and screen savers are turned off. Turn the book so the text is facing the monitor. RTFB. When you come to a part you want to visualize, stop reading, close your eyes, and pretend.
..they portrayed Boromir fairly well. They could've done a lot better in my opinion, though. I despised Boromir in the books. After the movie, I just felt kinda bad for him. *chuckle*
:P I admit though - it could've been worse. Much.. much.. worse.
;))
I disliked the fact that they cut out all the 'good' parts; IE, Gimli mackin' on Galadriel. However, they're putting that and more back into the special edition DVD that's coming out in November, so I can deal with that. (Fools! Buying the August release!)
About the only thing that really screamed out to me was the balrog. It looked like something from the last level of the original Doom.
They changed some dialogue around, but they kept much of it intact - kind of like the Dune movie. That was a good call - drawing on Dune again, if there's one thing I hated about Sci-Fi's Dune miniseries (There's more than one, but hey).. It was the fact that they totally bastardized the dialogue.
I dunno. I never expected Tolkien's vision, and I can still respect Jackson because he stated up front - "This is my vision, not Tolkien's."
I liked the movie. It's certainly no substitute for the books (No movie ever is!), but it's still a nice bit of work to watch.
(Speaking of dialogue, I could imagine if they used it word for word from the books. Tolkien threw the words, 'faggot', 'gay' and 'niggardly' around quite a bit. *chuckle* They used to have quite different meanings.
As a side topic, my brother just got the trilogy of books for his birthday, but he says he's going to watch the movies before each book; as in, read FotR now, TTT in December after watching the movie, and RotK a year after that. Silly boy.
"Common Sense Ain't" -Unknown
So I take you only read technical manuals and history books? You sound like you never enjoy fiction of any kind.
:)
I feel sorry for you, in a way.
"Reality is just a crutch for people who can't handle fiction" is a bumper sticker I saw years ago at a convention, and I think it applies here.
Really, stop trying to find fault with everything and enjoy the impossible. It's much more fun!
.dum has already been taken by the dwarves.
:P
Try www.bridgeofkhadzad.dum for example.
I was convinced that URL said "bilbo_frame"...
That or I am just too lazy to read the books right now.
What?
Elvis is coming back man, Elvis.
No, Elves are coming back!
While the people posting these comments are obviously trolls, I should point out that the World Trade Center was proposed in 1960 or so. That would probably be the earliest anyone would have known about the possible existence of those towers, and that date is after Tolkein wrote the book.
What?
Harry Knowles is a pathetic waste of human flesh.
Gee, how many times are we gonna ask this question? ~sigh~ If you actually are serious, pick up THE BOOK and check out the original publication date....1954. And anybody who is so mired in sensitive political correctness as to think the name ought be changed can suck my ass.
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I'd have to agree that if you have not read the books yet, to watch the movie first. I read the books first and found myself finding all sorts of little errors and differences between the movie and the books. Ultimately, this made the movie a bit less enjoyable and for lack of better words, good. However, the movies are good and the books are excellent, so dont discredit either.
I once shot a man who posted too many, "Imagine a beowulf cluster of these"
Only if you think a Linux plug is the appropriate response to a question even if the question has nothing to do with Linux.
Here's some other questions with informative answers:
What color is a pear? Linux.
How do you treat rectal itch? Linux.
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I would just like to say that it is pathetic and indeed extremely gay to be watching this fruity film about elves and such creatures. Why not work on GNU/Hurd instead? It is a far more productive use of your time.
Cheers,
GNU/Wolfgang
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For those Gnutella users, here is a MAGNET URI for the Quicktime file (with it's SHA1 hash, 2 Sources):
Y DD AT&dn=Lord%20of%20the%20Rings%20(Two%20Towers)%20T railer%20%232%20(9.30.02).mov&xs=http%3A//12.233.1 20.175%3A6346/uri-res/N2R%3Furn%3Asha1%3AHEIRRDQ25 N4KBFO3TKV45CXIJWHYDDAT&xs=http://progressive.stre am.aol.com/aol/us/aolentertainment/movies/2002/lot r/132757_638498_dl.mov
magnet:?xt=urn:sha1:HEIRRDQ25N4KBFO3TKV45CXIJWH
For Gntuella, I recommend using Shareaza, as you can download off HTTP sources as well.
If you want to download it off eDonkey, Kazaa (FastTrack) etc. click here to view it's Bitzi Ticket for more links/rating options/metadata.
(So, in the meanwhile can anyone recommend a player for Linux that I can watch this damned thing on?)
Actually, I saw an interview with JRR Tolkein on tv the other night, he said that yes, The Two Towers was named as such to commemorate the September 11 attacks.
Anyone know any software for windows that will play either of those formats without installing a whole load of junk as well?
I've never heard of Windows software that will do anything without installing a whole load of additional junk.
So, we've defeated dark tower already!
And it didn't take a 30 minut meating at Rivendell just a add on slashdot.org, now why didn't 4 people 4k plus years old think of that.
In case you didn't know, the site also streams the movie soundtrack around the clock. Nice. Click Here to listen.
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They'll just use the money you spend on this movie to try to take away computers. Have a little self-respect for goodness' sake.
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Just watched the trailer, looks really awesome. Can't wait.
Did anyone else notice that the trailer used the same music (originally performed by The Kronos Quartet) as the movie Requiem For A Dream ? I'm not complaining, it gave me chills :)
Or am I just nuts?
"But the cars are all flashing me, bright lights are passing me, I feel life passing me by" - Stiff Little Fingers
No, Elves are coming back!
Do you mean El Vez, the Mexican Elvis?
There are rumours that the Ents are cut out and have been replaced by another love story. But there are also rumours that JarJar Binks now is in charge of the MPAA, so I guess it must be true.
I guess it's not spoiling anything any more...
Was anyone else suprised that they "gave away" the fact that Gandalf comes back... and comes back different none the less?
I first read the trilogy about 4-5 years ago, and loved it. Gandalf's return was a pleasant suprise.
Now, everyone will be sitting in the theatre, just waiting for that piece of film to roll... without much of a suprise element.
I think that these movies were done very well... I was pleasantly suprised after seeing FOTR, but to me it seems like a poor choice to give away this part of the plot with a trailer! I don't think that there's anyone out there right now saying "No, I'm not going to spend $9 to see -- Wait... Gandalf comes back???? Mark the calendar!"
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Also, note to film makers:
The two towers were Orthanc and Minas Morgoul. I don't have the book with me to check spelling, but they are NOT, repeat NOT Orthanc and Barad-dur, as a previous trailer had stated.
The events of the 3rd and 4th books in the 2nd volume in the six book long novel entitled the lord of the rings deal with the dealings with sarumon the white, his orcs, his seige of Helm's Deep, Gandalf's confrontation with him, and the recovering of mary and pippen (3rd book) and the trials of Frodo and Sam as they pass into the land of mordor, via the pass of Cirith Ungol, in the tower of Minas Morgual, which used to be minas anor? I believe, which is one of the two remaining strongholds of the city of Osgalith, the other (directly across the river, with osgalith in between) being Minas Tirith (4th book).
Silly movie.
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I'm sure this is just a sign of my own immaturity, but I read "Please, Moorcock, please!" and just about collapsed in a fit of laughter :)
I'd suggest you don't use Slashdot as your only news source, or you will suffer permanent brain damage.
...the backs of my eyelids when I fall asleep. The Two Towers is the most boring book in the trilogy, and that's saying a lot. Speak truth to power, Tolkien sucks!
Ents are in. Jackson was pleased with what the special effects boys churned up. However, ents will be decidedly absent from the trailers, much like the Balrog was from those for FOTR. Personally, I like the idea of saving the best for the big screen. Too many movies these days are summed up in their trailers.
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The rings website reported there was some consideration by Peter Jackson of renaming the middle movie. e.g. "War of the Rings", because of connotations to the World Trade Center "Twin Towers". But I'd guess the anniversary media saturation has been cathartic to many and they can move on.
For a while there it was hard to watch movies like Independence Day or Star Wars and not think of 9-11.
Buzz Kill. Perhaps if you comment had more to do with social commentary about how we as a society react to advertisement that would be defferent. But reacting to pop culture with condemnation or sarcasim is the cheapest and weakest form of self gratifying humor. If you want to masturbate don't include the rest of us Keep you post to relivent humor and insite not just sarcasm because you can't think of any thing else to post
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Lighten up -- Peter Jackson has simply taken a bit of poetic license. Since the climb past Minas Morgul and the encounter with Shelob have all been moved to the third movie, it just didn't make much narrative sense to have Minas Morgul be the second tower.
Okay, so I guess most people woill have read the books already. But it's at least 1/3rd of the way through till Gandalf the White makes his appearence - giving it away in the trailer is a little unfair (think of the kids! think of the kids! ;-)
Am I the only one wanting to see Shelob? I mean, that would just be so awesome... a giant spider like creature... eugh! it gave me the chills reading it, and im a superficial teenager!!! seeing it on the big screen would make me crap my pants. i dunno. i hadn't seen anything posted about her yet, but man that'll be awesome.
-ac
oh yeah, i hope they didnt do something lame like edit her out, or make her look not-so-menacing... that would def. blow. ah well
Of course, this may have been discussed in one of the previous umpteen LOTR threads I have completely ignored.
I am a believer of momentum and curves.
i read (and am sure you can find the place on googel) that tolkien did NOT say which towers the title meant. and that the title where the choice of the publisher, not his.
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Star Trek doesn't have any Arabs in it because it's set in the future.
Thank you.
ok, i admit a few years have passed since i read the book, but i really cannot recollect where Arwen appeared in The two towers?
can anybody - who knows where to find that passage in the book - give me a hint? we got to know her in the first book, but then i thought she then again appeared only at the end of the 3rd book in minas tirith......
Lord "not Gargamel's Cat!" Azrael
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the song at the end of the trailer isn't from the TTT soundtrack, it's from the movie Requiem for a Dream
Legally it is not the soundtrack from Requiem, it is just a replication that sounds almost identical
I know that b/c I have a close friend who worked on the trailer. Interesting stuff, the legal aspect of licensing songs, and the length that studios will go to not to pay the licensing fees (they will just recreate the music and basically steal the artists work).
Since most of the Movie studios own record labels as well it's "OK" to steal music I guess.
Or at least mods on a power-trip.
"I don't like what this guy has to say! Mod him down!"
1. Tolkien
2. ?????
3. Profit?
I'm going back to bed now.
If you keep modding it down, people who are in the dark will not find out the answer, and they will keep asking forever.
Try the appendices and Unfinished Tales for more information.
"It's from some Joan of Arc movie with that chic the Fifth Element. I forget theexact name, but you should be able to find it from that description"
Oh yes, you're thinking of The Messenger.
That was the movie that depicted the life of an insane chick with a lust for violence. The Messenger in my opinion just rode the success of the TV-Miniseries, Joan of Arc which was really the winner in portraying the Holy Catholic Saint, St. Joan of Arc.
This is off topic, but you seemed to be fishing for the name of that movie.
The Messenger (to which you were referring) was a horrible attempt at portraying St. Joan of Arc. Anyone who is the slightest bit interested in learning anything remotely true to the history of St. Joan will watch "Joan of Arc" starring LeeLee Sobieski as Joan. Those who want to see a depiction of a crazed lunatic and not a holy Saint, and want to watch a lot of blood and gore will watch the (puke) Messenger.
He's far too young-looking. Even if he's only supposed to be in his 60s according to the chronology of the books, he was prematurely aged by the power of Saruman working through Wormtongue. The vigor he displays in leading his people after his healing by Gandalf ought to be contrasted to his appearance. Here he looks positively energetic in his first appearance compared to how he ought to be presented.
And the brethren went away edified.
Is anyone else horribly dissappointed at further appearances of Gandalf in the trailers? The first one I saw showed him for a split second and then focused on the other characters in astonishment to see Gandalf. It left some suspicion as to what was actually happening with Gandalf, although it revealed more than I would have preferred (for other people, since I already know what happens). I was unhappy to see that in the preview, but figured that perhaps not all was lost. However, this trailer clearly shows that Gandalf has indeed returned, after seemingly falling/fighting to his death. It seems like it is a huge spoiler for anyone who hasn't read the books yet, and although it might bring in just a few more ticket sales, the experience that could have been felt at seeing Gandalf return has now been lost. I am extremely dissappointed to see this in the trailer, anyone else have any thoughts on this?
On another note that people have been discussing thus far, I am happy with the story taking place in the movie versus the story taking place in the book. I was discussing this with the group of friends that I went to see the 12:01 showing of FOTR with - that the story that the movie tells doesn't necessarily need to mirror the story told in the book. We came to this conclusion because the gist of the LOTR as well as other stories of similar-type eras is relatively constant. There is good and evil, heroes and villains, battling, love stories, history (of conflict, of development) etc. What then makes a good story is how you tell your particular interpretation of a particular set of events of the era (or of a particular setting - ie think of multiple copies of the same universe, taking on different courses of events to conclude on different worlds with different races, towns, events, goods, evils, etc but still with the same themes at heart as the other worlds). So, the fact that Peter Jackson hasn't mirrored the exact events, settings, and dialogues of the actual LOTR book is not a problem, because although he is basing his interpretation on the sum whole of events in the LOTR book, he is actually making mild interpretations of the world at hand, but still working the same main themes, just with a slight Peter Jackson touch. The movies are not necessarily supposed to be Tolkein's LOTR on screen, they are supposed to be the LOTR story told on screen by Peter Jackson based on Tolkein's interpretation of LOTR ideas and events (since, really, the LOTR story is not Tolkein's, he just provided his grand interpretation and visualization of events that so many people have thought about). Not that I'm knocking Tolkein down or anything, I think he did a great job, I just think that comments on the movie like "he missed this" or "the book wasn't like that" are fruitless - pointless, even. Anyone else want to comment?
While it's true that Clint cannot play a violin (well), he can handle a sequencer and/or keyboard better than even I. All the music for Requiem for a Dream was composed by Clint Mansell - the string bits were simply performed by the Kronos Quartet.
What we hear in the trailer is in fact a full blown orchestral take at the Requiem theme, and it translates very well from such a minimalistic piece. Kudos to Clint, now if only they'd figure a way to get that RfaD remix CD out.
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But this trailer has some phrases in it that make me wonder if someone in New Line's marketing department is trying to be a little coy about that comparison. "They were unarmed; they had no warning" was the first line that caught my ear. Then, upon replaying it, I caught:
- "I will not risk open war."
- "Open war is upon you, whether you would risk it or not."
- "This is but a taste of the terror that Saruman will unleash."
- "It is an army bred for a single purpose -- to destroy the world of men."
- "By order of the king, this city must empty."
I admit, this post is more along the lines of those old "Top 10 Sexually Tilted Lines" for the Star Wars trilogy, in that I am purposefully reading something into lines in a way that they were not meant for. But, still, a bit "huh"-provoking, I suppose.P.S. Gollum looks like Nobby. Or vice-versa.
Star Wars?
Star Wars?
You know, there are just some people who WANT to be reminded, and any excuse to be reminded will do it for them.
When you lose someone you care about, everything reminds you of them, even things that make absolutely no sense as something to trigger the memory.
Personally, I would have taken as an insult to Americans and the human race if he had changed the title of The Two Towers. Why? Simple, it would have been claiming we can't heal. It would be announcing to the world that Jackson didn't think Americans could recover from tragedy.
You know what? In the grand scheme of things, 9-11 was NOT that massive a disaster. True, it killed thousands of people, and yes it changed the country, but worse things happen all over the world, and the rest of the planet recovers. The people learn to live life without the people they lost. Did you hear about the recent bout of floods in China? How about the starvation that's ravaging Africa? Hell, what about AIDS in Africa. Yes, losing over 3,000 people in one day is terrible, but it happens all over the world. Americans are just too ethnocentric to see the rest of the planet as anything other than the Disney / Hollywood sanitized tourist attraction on TV. Terrorism is nothing new, it's as old as human conflict. Human conflict has been going on since the dawn of the species itself. From the moment our ancestors first picked up a weapon in the Fertile Crescent, we've been killing each other.
Clearchannel releasing a list of songs that might offend, people being chastised for speaking out against the ongoing war and every other patronizing thing that's been going on disgusts me.
People don't heal or recover from emotional trauma if they don't face reality. Those who retreat into a shell where all traumatic stimulus is hidden wither and die.
There were times in the last year where I saw the entire country morphing into Ms. Havisham from Great Expectations. Unable to deal with the groom running away on her wedding day, she locks herself in her room and never emerges. She withers and dies in her wedding gown. The windows are shut and the curtains sealed to prevent light from entering. She froze herself and her memories at a time just before her loss, when she was still filled with the promise of marriage and a family.
Erasing the WTC from photos and movies, pretending it didn't exist, is no different than what Ms. Havisham did. It's hiding from reality, letting the wounds fester. We've been bitten by a rattlesnake and are refusing to drain the poison. Refusing to think about what has happened, the poison works its way into our blood and kills us.
We have to face reality, and that means picking up the things we enjoyed before the disaster and enjoying them again. If a man loses his wife, he can't shut himself up forever and never see the sun again.
Yes, changing the name of a movie is a small thing in the grand scheme of things, but it is one step on a road we must not take.
The saying "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" is more true than people realize. Physically, most the country is unharmed, but if we crawl into holes and let our liberties be drained away and our lives become a mass of traumatic material that must be avoided, we will wither and die. The events will not have made us stronger. We will have died inside.
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I could believe this. The Two Towers could refer to any number of combinations of locations.
The "tower" of the Misty Mountains where Gandalf was reborn and strove with the Dark Tower, and Barad-dur. Or...
Barad-dur and Orthanc, and the collaboration and rivalry between Sauron and Saruman. Or...
The two watch towers overlooking the Black Gate.
The tower of Minas Tirith and Orthanc. Or...
It could involve the watch tower that guards the pass of Cirith Ungol, where Frodo was taken, which is not Minas Morgul.
It could mean a lot of things.
Given that Sam is shown covering a very pale Frodo, I think we can assume Shelob will be present in TTT.
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You are spoiling for everybody the fact that the clip is a spoiler... Think of those who still believe in entertainment industry. Have SHAME, people...
Did anyone catch that troll that jumped Frodo and Sam?.. Who then agrees to help them?
Jar Jar binks anyone?
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ascii art?
how about animated ansi!
jeeze, quit complaining and install qt6. =)
Large print giveth, and the small print taketh away
The BBC in the UK skipped "the people of new york vs homer simpson" during the latest Simpsons run.
They offered no explanation and never responded to my email.
Are we now not allowed to see any media that might slightly reference new york or anything tall?
It's the name of an old, OLD book. If someone builds a bible towers and then it falls over will they ban the bible?
Every single time I see a movie preivew it is in .rm or .mov format. I _hate_ real player. I don't know what's wrong with all the other codecs, but if you movie guys e-mail me about it, I'll see if I find something better for you mmmkay?
A recent interview didn't really give too many clues. It could be him or maybe not.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
Fucking sheep.
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A friend of mine, her husband and I sat down to see "The usual suspects" one night, she just couldnt take the movie seriously because apparently Keiser Soyze (sp?) means "Imperial sauce or soup" in german...
Which of course makes complete sense once you see the ending, but it was pretty much a spoiler for her
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...or you'll have to get up in the middle to relieve yourself. I've made that mistake the last 3 times I went to the movies.
Teh *book* actually has two very different timelines in it. Frodo and Sam's story in The Two Towers takes longer than the story of Aragorn, Gandalf, and the rest of the gang. When you read the book, you don't really notice this because it has the distinct misfortune of being written in two separate tracks. (Personally, when I re-read TTT, I read a chapter or two of the first part, a chapter or two of the second part so that it's intercut.) I believe the Aragorn, et al story ends somewhere along the same time that Frodo and Sam are with Faramir, there are probably better fanatic...er scholars...than I who could correct me on that.
The movie will very likely be intercut as well. And since the two time lines don't match up, Shelob isn't going to be in this movie. At least that's what I've heard.
I can't imagine Jackson completely leaving her out of the entire story, though. So I imagine she'll be around in RoTK. I mean, who'd leave out a giant spider? That's just ripe for some truly awe-inspiring CGI.
Or maybe that's just me. Shelob is the all-time scariest creature in Middle Earth to me. I'm anxious to see her on screen as well.
*shudder*
Consigned to flames of woe.
I resent that comment. Not all Americans are stupid. Some of us are merely insane.
Well, there's a line in the movie (near the beginning, where the wizard is riding into town on the wagon), where he makes a comment about "the humans not often interacting with the hobbits, which is probably just as well".
That would certainly lead me to believe that this is supposed to be taking place somewhere on our planet, at the same time humans are alive.
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just one simple question. why are there significant hints in the trailer of an arwen-aragonrn-eowyn love triangle? Is hollywood that desperate? in TTT, Aragorn laughs eowyn off, pretty much, then goes off to raise the dead (literally). Why the need for romantic tension that doesn't exist? Arwen gives up her immortality to be with her man- isn't that tragic/sentimental/makes me cry enough?? Why spoil it... especially with Elrond -"goodbye, mr. anderson"- the Elf apparently trying to 'save' his daughter from death and screw Aragorn over. which also doesn't happen in the book.
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I don't know if there's anything to say here that will help you understand my complaint? Obviously, you feel that fiction of any type is perfectly fine, whether it has any grain of "believability" in it or not.
I, on the other hand, have a view that's shared by many other people I know. I think that one of the biggest creative challenges of good fiction is coming up with credible explanations for the technologies, events and places depicted in the story.
EG. We all know there is no such thing as a "warp drive", a la "Star Trek", and we know we can't currently teleport people from point A to B. We also know we don't have phaser guns that can "stun" or kill, depending on their setting, and certainly not the level of medical know-how illustrated on the series. Nonetheless, Star Trek stood out, above many other sci-fi shows, precisely because the effort was made to explain it all. If the "science" wasn't there to give something legitimacy, it didn't go into the TV show or movie.
The "Fantasy genre", on the other hand, seems to discount any of this as relevant at all - and wants its readers to disregard reality completely. Some people are bothered less by this than others. (Perhaps parallels could be drawn between those who blindly accept religious beliefs "on faith" and those who choose not to believe in a "god" without better evidence?)
In any case, I see no reason why a fantasy novel couldn't be written that still preserves some "credibility". It might take a little more forethought and knowledge of science and history, but what's wrong with asking for that?
If you based a fantasy story on science, it would become science fiction. Fantasy stories are an extension of myth and fairy tales. If you can't enjoy it, I'm sorry for you.
Even most fairy tales and myths make sure not to give enough detail as to the "where" and "when" so you feel as though you're struggling with a contradiction with reality.
That, or they dealt with the "unprovable"... concepts similar to ghosts or ancient gods/deities. There's not really any way to disprove their existance, so why not write stories about them?
All I'm saying is I don't care for fantasy novels that make claims that "lock them into a particular place and time in history". LOTR would have been improved, IMHO, if it was made clear that it took place on another world. Tying it in to the human race starts the reader/viewer asking lots of questions that the author would have been better off not getting involved with.
You are full of shit. There's no way in hell we're going to oppose any Iraq attack. That fuck is gone.
Here's why, you uneducated fucking moron:
A) We KNOW "Sodom" hates the US because we didn't let him fucking rape his neighbor's country.
B) We KNOW he's trying to get nuclear weapons.
C) We KNOW that he would work with anyone that wanted to harm the US.
D) We KNOW he has offered ransoms for capturing americans and shooting down american jets.
E) We KNOW that he would gladly, once he had nukes, do everything he could to see that one damaged the US.
We will fucking erase him.
We will fucking erase him.
We will fucking erase him.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
I say the proverbial "you" rather than "I" because I happen to know I speak for more people than just myself.
Just because you, in particular, don't care whether an author puts in the extra effort to add a measure of believability to his/her story doesn't mean I'm automatically in a small minority of those who do.
In fact, I had a number of fantasy novels up for sale on eBay last year (all in brand new condition), as well as a collection of science ficiton novels. (My girlfriend ordered a whole bunch of random things from a sci-fi book club one time, and I wanted to get the stuff out of here.) The sci-fi sold without any problems, yet several of the "fantasy" novels never sold at all, and the others sold for only the minimum bid price of about $1.00.
That's just one more shred of evidence that helps back up my claim that there aren't an awful lot of people out there into the fantasy genre. I daresay it's largely because people feel it's a "waste of time" to read hundreds of pages about a mythical fantasy world that not only doesn't exist/never existed, but doesn't even try to leave the reader with any new wisdom/insight or ability to relate to the characters presented.
Note: I'm not claiming *all* fantasy is void of "value" to the reader. That's absurd. As I said in my first post, LOTR teaches several good lessons. Still, I think those same lessons can be better communicated in another fiction genre that roots itself a little deeper in science and/or reality.
If you just want mindless entertainment, you can get plenty of it from TV sitcoms.... No need to read fantasy novels too.
AND bunkka is one of the worst fucking albums i've ever heard in my life. i can't believe there are people that enjoy that album.
King_TJ (in what fantasy world are you a king, I wonder? And by what credible method?) the basic problem is that you don't understand what suspension of disbelief *is*.
A good story must be consistent with its own world. The bulk of fiction uses our own world; sometimes a different time period, sometimes the present day. I found I enjoyed Deep Impact far more than Armageddon for precisely the reasons you discuss... it simply exercised my suspension of disbelief gland less. But, these were both very near-future stories based off of our current world, so I saw them in that context.
Aside from the fact that Lord of the Rings is not, at any time, set in a particular time period in our history ("Middle Earth" is not Earth, and "The Third Age" doesn't correspond to any period I know of), it belongs to a genre that explicitly does NOT root itself in our world. Therefore, suspension of disbelief is based on the internal consistency of the world, not on whether or not it matches the fossil record. Tolkien was one of the great masters at creating an internally consistent world; Middle Earth's history was completely known to him, he developed the languages of the major (non-human) races, and a dozen other details are apparent in his work that make it a paragon of fantasy literature. LotR is considered a classic fantasy novel (establishing many staples of the genre) specifically because of this amazing internal consistency. As the story unfolds, there isn't anything that reminds you that this world was made up... except for your own hyper-awareness of the world around you.
I, myself, enjoy fantasy much less than science fiction precisely for the same reasons as you... it can't happen. I don't much enjoy science fiction that's poorly executed, either... nor do I enjoy regular fiction books or movies with plot holes and continuity errors. But even a very well-done fantasy piece fails to satisfy me as much as those that *can* happen, because I am also (as you are) a realist.
This isn't the fault of the genre, however. I don't like westerns, either, and that doesn't mean there's something wrong with them. Nor is there something wrong with me; I recognize that I have different tastes from a great many of my friends and *that's fine*. I don't have to find fault with the genre of fantasy literature to justify it.
Neither do you.
Don't you wish your girlfriend was a geek like me?
Essentially, the problem is that you cannot accept the nature of fantasy, but instead of understanding that this is a problem with you, you insist that it's a problem with fantasy. Manifestly, the majority of people do not have this problem, which is why I conclude that the problem lies with you. Now I don't insist that you start finding the same value in fantasy literature that I do -- if you don't enjoy it, you don't enjoy it, but don't go around pooh-poohing what other people like to read simply because you don't get it. If you're going to keep this up, you're going to have to come up with some kind of actual logic, rather than just, "I don't like it, therefore it sucks and nobody else should like it."
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
D) We KNOW he has offered ransoms for capturing americans and shooting down american jets.
i can't wait for that to happen, cos that would truly free up the world's food supply for starving people in third world countries who need the food more. all you fat american slobs should learn to eat less and quit wasting the world's supply of oil on stupid SUVs and ridiculous-looking "muscle-cars". fuck you all.
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Uh, no. Peter Jackson has already said that Shelob has been moved to third movie, not only to give Sam and Frodo enough to do but also to have the events line up chronologically. Here is the report.
a) I know you're a stupid brit because you're the only morons that use this made-up "cos" word. What's up with that? Does it rhyme with post? cost? How do you get a "because" uhz sound from "os"? Since when can you typically get a "uh" sound from the letter "o"? Stupid brits.
b) How would shooting a jet free up food? Fucking moron. Stupid brit.
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Don't tell us to fuck off and then visit our booth babes pages, bastard.
Ah-hah! Thanks for an excellent reply.
I do find myself in total agreement with you (both on preferences in reading material and movies, and on the comment about it not being the "fault of the genre").
Honestly, as much as anything, I'm partially just trying to be difficult in this discussion, since I was nitpicked over my usage of "you" rather than "I".
If I've managed to find fault in the entire Fantasy genre, that's not quite what I intended to do.
This whole thing originated from the argument over whether or not LoTR was supposed to have taken place on our planet. Some folks seem to be saying "No way. Middle Earth isn't *our* Earth." Others say yes, Tolkien stated before that it was, indeed, supposed to be here on our planet.
Perhaps we're supposed to assume that the human race does/did live on more planets than just Earth? That's a possibility I hadn't really considered until now. All I know is in the movie, the wizard does mutter something about humans and hobbits rarely interacting with each other (and that he thinks it's probably just as well).
Initially, it was exactly that part which bothered me. (Why go to all the effort to write a consistent, epic story about an entire fantasy world, and then nail it down to supposedly happening here? It's just an unnecessary "tie-in" that needlessly strains credibility.)
The name of the planet that Tolkien's LotR world is set on is Arda. It's not Terra (our Earth). The complete history of his world is laid down in the Silmarillion, which covers from the beginning of time, up until something like 1,000 years before the events in The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. So, it's fairly clearly established that this is a different world, with a different history.
;-) about it, to make this response. But I never did make the assumption that it was supposed to be "our" world. Had you been told that before you saw the movie, or after? How did that information "ruin" it for you?
Now, I didn't really know all that until I started asking my husband (Dirtside
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WHAT? *WE* have rediculous looking cars? Hahahah!
Heeeee! Haaaaaaaa! OMG!!! WHooo, what a belly ache you give me!
Stupid brits!
Stupid brits!
REALLY stupid brits...
If you assholes hadn't shot yourselves in the foot and tried to fight us all those years ago, you might have some land on which you could drive for hours and hours at 100 mph like our midwest. But no. You fucked up. So now you're stuck on an island and running out of room.. What's that I hear? Big engine envy? Aww.
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