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Dream Jobs of 2004

prostoalex writes "We've read about the worst jobs out there, the most overpaid ones, the worst job postings and the outsourcing tendencies. Can an article on employment in scientific and engineering fields can have a positive outlook? February issue of IEEE Spectrum talks about the dream ('coolest, baddest, hippest, grooviest') jobs, where people have fun and enjoy what they're doing. IEEE publication covered the dream jobs for Electrical Engineering majors only. The linked article is actually a story about 9 different people with 9 different jobs, each leading to a separate article."

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  1. Your job shouldn't be your life. by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't want a dream job...

    Dream jobs eliminate the one good thing about life. Vacation. Whether that be on the weekends, your random days off in the middle of the week, or the two weeks you spend lounging in Jamaica.

    They don't call work "work" for nothing. If it was fun they would call it Vacation. Work gives me something to look forward to when I don't have to do it. It shouldn't be an escape from your family, it shouldn't be fun, and it certainly be something you overly enjoy...

    My enjoyment everyday comes in the form of looking forward to the weekend when I spend my free time geocaching with my friends or myself. If I enjoyed work I would probably be sitting in my office working. What good does that do me?

    We are a sad society when we put work in front of our "real lives".

    Remember that before you go off in search of the job that you just can't wait to get to everyday. Family, fun, and vacation > work.

    BTW - I don't mind my job in the least. I don't complain about it and I don't hate coming to work everyday. I just think it's better to enjoy yourself outside of your job.

    1. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by kruczkowski · · Score: 5, Informative

      Work in Germany, under German law every worker must get 6 weeks paid vacation, from a janitor to a CEO.

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    2. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why not enjoy both? Sounds like you're trying to rationalize the career you chose.

    3. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by mbge7psh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A truely dream job shouldn't seem like a job at all. If you get payed to do what you truely enjoy, where is the harm in putting it before other hobbies?

    4. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by jetkust · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yea, and I want to get cancer just for the remission. Good thinking.

    5. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by eyegor · · Score: 3, Informative

      Which is great. But by raising overhead rates to pay for the extra vacation time, the overall effect is to make German industry less cost effective than a less enlightened country (all other factors being equal).

      Not that there's anything wrong with that.

      Personally, I'm in my dream job. I get paid nicely to play with computers.

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    6. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, it's a sad society that SEPARATES "lives" from "work".

      Why should you only enjoy yourself when you're not working?

      Imagine a job in a small company where you know everybody, you and your wife both work and can freely visit, and you bring your kids to work with you every day and watch them learn and play.

      Imagine you can wear whatever religious symbol you want, and say whatever you like without fear of lawsuits. Imagine that once you finish your day's work, you're free to leave, but you don't because you love doing your work.

      Imagine that your life and your work where completely intertwined and you loved every minute of it.

      Isn't it funny that people say "where do you live" when they ask what you do OUTSIDE of work? If "living" happens outside of work, then when you're working, you must be DEAD right? The opposite of live.

      You should look forward to EVERY DAY, not just the weekends. That's sad.

      I don't have the solution.. I'm self-employed and really enjoy it but I still have to deal with the "walking dead" on a regular basis.

    7. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by missing000 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Why not get paid to have fun?

      I really do hate my job, so I'm going to quit working for evil bastards. A VC friend of mine and I are starting an entertainment website.

      I get to code, and hang out in nightclubs/bars/strip clubs. I can't imagine a better existence, and it sure beats working.

      I realize not everyone can do this, but I think any enterprising geek *could* get away with working for yourself, and that kind of work is fun for most of us.

      Whatever you do, semper ubi sub ubi.

    8. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by NineNine · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Unfortunately, my job is running my own business, and I can't afford to give somebody 6 weeks paid vacation. To me, Germany is a shitty place to work.

    9. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by DaHat · · Score: 1

      You mean that Germany is a shitty place to work if you run/own your own company... it's still great place if you are just an employee.

      What I wouldn't give for vacation time! Oh yea... I'm just an intern and have no hope of vacation time until 2 years after I'm hired FT at my present job (if they do).

    10. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by wrp103 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I once read that you should make a career out of your second favorite thing to do. That way, when work got to you, you could relax with your hobby rather than your career.

      That said, I think far too many people keep thinking of better things rather than enjoying what they are doing at the moment. If somebody gives me something to do that I don't like, I try to figure out how to make it more enjoyable.

      For example, I once had a boss that insisted that I send him a status report each week. (I hate paper work). So, I did what I often do in situations like that ... I automated it. I segmented the status report into different sections, created text files for each section, and then wrote some code, along with a Makefile, so that each Friday, I ran a single command, and out came my status report e-mailed to my boss along with other interested parties.

      Now, I could have spent time bellyaching about what a lousy job I had been given, but instead decided to make it more tolerable. After it was done, I actually enjoyed submitting status reports.

      Now, certainly there are jobs with little or no redeeming value, but most of the people I hear complaining actually have it pretty good. Most have food to eat, a place to stay, and make enough money to make ends meet with a little left over.

      Blaise Pascal, in his book Pensees, states that people spend too much of their time regretting the past and dreaming about the future, that they don't have time to enjoy the present. As a result, they are often unhappy when they don't need to be.

    11. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Jorrit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Work shouldn't be fun??? That must be one of the saddest remarks I have heard in some time. I would quiet my job the moment it stops getting fun.

      Of course I agree with you that work isn't the only thing in life. Family comes first.

      But if your work isn't fun then I pity you.

      Greetings,

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    12. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by tazanator · · Score: 1

      I don't know ... driving a semi truck I was always on vacation. I loved the layovers and breakdowns all over the country from key west to sacramento. It's more the mind set that your job is not a prison and you feel in control of it. For me Stopping the truck somewhere new and taking the sites / geocaching something a few hundred miles myself / or even just to say I swam in the ocean in january (florida but the week after I was in canada, washing my swim trunks... boy did I get funny looks). My Brother is in Iraq, he spent 10 years training for war, he is finally doing what he prepared for. For him the Iraq war is his dream job. In society today what we do for money to live defines us in a small way of the person we are. So yes virginia if you enjoy your job it can be a dream!

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    13. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by __past__ · · Score: 1
      And as a german, I think that this is great. Learn to do a business right before letting your employees suffer from your incompetence.

      On the other hand, germany is still a shitty place to live, and it's getting worse. Not as bad as the US or Somalia, though.

    14. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by FreshFunk510 · · Score: 1

      If I enjoyed work I would probably be sitting in my office working. What good does that do me? We are a sad society when we put work in front of our "real lives".

      That sounds like a catch-22 to me. So you say that if you enjoyed work you'd be working weekends and then you claim that we are a sad society because we put work in front of our real lives?

      The solution's simple. Don't put work in front of your real lives so that even if you did have a job you enjoyed you would NOT work weekends. What's so hard about that?

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    15. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would quiet my job the moment it stops getting fun. How exactly do you 'quiet' a job, do you pay it hush money?

    16. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Jorrit · · Score: 1

      Sorry... It's late here and I'm tired. I meant 'quit' of course :-)

      Greetings,

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    17. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Cyclone66 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wouldn't the more enlightened country be the one that realizes working like a dog, 50+ hours a week with only a week vacation is not a way to live?

    18. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by gavri · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why don't you hit your head with a hammer all day so you'd feel real good when you stop at the end of the day?

    19. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      hmmm, dunno, but I'll happily trade in those 6 weeks of vacation for the right to actually be allowed to turn on my brain while at work, which still happens to be something not overly appreciated in Germany...

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    20. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Uber+Banker · · Score: 1

      Why should you only enjoy yourself when you're not working?

      Imagine a job in a small company where you know everybody, you and your wife both work and can freely visit, and you bring your kids to work with you every day and watch them learn and play.

      Imagine you can wear whatever religious symbol you want, and say whatever you like without fear of lawsuits. Imagine that once you finish your day's work, you're free to leave, but you don't because you love doing your work.

      Imagine that your life and your work where completely intertwined and you loved every minute of it.

      Sonds like the beginning of traispotting to me... are you a self-employed herion addict???

    21. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Grrr · · Score: 1

      If you get payed to do what you truely enjoy, where is the harm in putting it before other hobbies?

      Er, 'rtfp', that's not what the OP said...

      > We are a sad society when we put work in front of our "real lives".

      Another word he used, in contrast to "hobbies", was "family".

      (And this gets modded as "Insightful"? Sheesh.)

      <grrr>

    22. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by altamira · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's just not true. The legal minimum is 21 days a year, depending on one's age. That translates to about 4 'real' (ie., non-work) weeks.

    23. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by sootman · · Score: 1

      Who in the world is modding this insightful? Let's assume that, to keep your family fed and a roof over everyone's head, you have to work 40 hours/week. Now, you can a) have a job you hate, turning you into a pissed off ogre for every other hour of the day, or b) have a job you enjoy, so you're in a good mood all day (more or less) and carry that good feeling home. "Good job" != "I care about nothing except my job".

      I have a job I enjoy quite a bit, thank you very much, and I do my 8 hours/day and then go home, no problem. There are plenty of workaholics who devote themselves to crappy jobs, and there are plenty of people (like me) who have enjoyable jobs *and* spend time with their families.

      If you have to spend 40 hrs/week somewhere, you may as well enjoy it. I've got a good job and a short commute and that makes me a happy person when I get home, which makes home very nice. I agree that a job should not be an all-consuming passion, but we do pretty much *have* to work, so I say make the best of it. But you make it sound like you can enjoy work or enjoy non-work, and that it's impossible to do both. That is absolutely untrue.

      Your biggest failing is this line: "They don't call work "work" for nothing. If it was fun they would call it Vacation." Vacation comes from the Latin "empty time." It is *not* impossible for work to be fun.

      PS: I went staff a little over a year ago (after temping for a few years) and I get 2 weeks vacation/year... so vacation is hardly "eliminated." (Then up to 3 weeks in another year and a half.) In fact, my company sent me to CA last year and put me up in a hotel, and I was able to bring my family along for just the cost of their airfare.

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    24. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by visgoth · · Score: 2, Insightful
      To quote a great thinker of the 20th century:

      "Huh huh. You gotta have stuff that sucks in order to have stuff that's cool."
      -Butthead

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    25. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by ccp · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, germany is still a shitty place to live, and it's getting worse.

      Care to elaborate?

      Just interested.

      Cheers,

    26. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Marcah · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately most people have to do (more or less) work to keep the food on the table. So if you anyway have to do it, then why not enjoy while you're at it?
      Just because you don't wake up every morning thinking "Damn, i have to go to the office again", it doesn't mean you couldn't enjoy your hard earned vacations when they come.

      Oh, and if someone actually prefers his work more than his life, then so what? I mean, he's not hurting anyone while doing it, and he is happy; what's the problem there?

      That being said, i do AM waiting for the next vacation myself, but there's still some workaholics i know who might not be ;-)

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    27. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      Personally, I enjoy my job.

      It's not the be-all and end-all of my existence, and only occassionally does it get in the way of my family life - often my own fault when I get obsessed with a fault to fix, rather than the boss'.

      Sure, I'd rather not work - I'd rather spend all day with my family. But I can't. However, it has rewards that it gives me fresh challenges.

      I look at it this way - on weekdays I spend 8 hours in the office each day and about an extra hour travelling. That's most of my waking day. Life's no rehearsal, so it had better be good for me to do that.

    28. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Moderate parent 5, Insightful. Working 50 and 60 hour weeks with no vacation is very 1890s. Slaving away like a serf for a king is very 1300s.

      Germany and the rest of the European countries have the right idea. A person needs more time to enjoy friends, family, and most importantly for the economy, spend money.

      Yes, I am an American and yes, I might be a little upset since I can't afford to take any time off after my first child is born in August.

    29. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by rpeppe · · Score: 1
      Dream jobs don't have to take your vacation. I get over 10 weeks vacation a year, and I'm doing pretty much my dream job. If anyone out there is working on distributed computing, networking, etc, imagine a world where all those barriers of unnecessary complexity were suddenly lowered, where the entire Berkeley sockets interface collapses to 3 function calls with two arguments, where remote resource access is as simple as "echo", where things can be accurately and completely documented on one page...

      I'm suddenly aware of just how dreamy it all is, 'cos I've been looking hard at the WSDL spec, and ohmygod I feel the need to rant. With stuff like this, how can anyone get on with doing the difficult bits of the problems of the future.

      It seems to me I work in an island of sanity amidst the spewing supertankers of the W3C and their ilk... an island where a difficult decision is not always put off by adding another "optional" layer of abstraction.

      Plus, not only do I work in a world with (IMHO) the best software Lego bricks around, but I also have the freedom to build with them anything that might be useful or interesting.

      Only problem is it's difficult to keep the mind on continuous creative output... on "mind-fuzz" days, I sometimes wish I just stacked shelves!

    30. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      What if yer the pool cleaner for the Score magazine's Boob Cruise?

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    31. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by mbge7psh · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I agree with you that family comes first, but the OP said: My enjoyment everyday comes in the form of looking forward to the weekend when I spend my free time geocaching with my friends or myself. If I enjoyed work I would probably be sitting in my office working. What good does that do me?

      Why not spend time in the office working if you enjoy that more than geocaching?

    32. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by elefantstn · · Score: 4, Funny

      Another benefit is that more than 1 in 10 Germans gets 365 days off from work every year. What a country!

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    33. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I know Germany has no first ammendment protections and you can be imprisoned for incorrect political and hate speech.

    34. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by rixstep · · Score: 1

      They don't call work "work" for nothing.

      Oh goodness. A farm of misconceptions.

      First, there are people who do only what they want to do in life - and get paid very well for it. 'Vacation'? From what? They can travel where they want; they're not stressed; they don't have weekends because they don't have workdays.

      Obviously, you are not one of these people, and so I feel sorry for you. (Yes, I am one of them, and I feel absolutely fine, thank you.)

      Second, anyone speaking of 'job' instead of using some other word - sorry, but it sounds terribly working class. Like a thermos and a paper lunch bag. If that's your life, then I feel sorry for you again.

      Thirdly, trying to avoid things one 'overly enjoys' is going to lead to trouble. Where would this planet be without the people who were passionate about what they did? They'd be in your shoes, bucko, is where, and then how happy would we all be?

      For you don't seem very happy at all. Actually, I think you're yanking the proverbial slashdot chain here, but someone modded you as insightful, so we shall see.

      Anyway, I have to get back to work - I miss it so much - so bye.

    35. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by lonb · · Score: 1
      I try not to be a jerk, but your argument of 'your job shouldn't be your life' is one of the stupidest things I've seen on /.

      Neither work nor vacation are defined by how much fun they are. If you get time off work and go to Hawaii does the enjoyability of the trip define it as a vacation? Not in English.

      Truly what you are defining is yourself as a masochist. Don't be offended, consider my comment as therapy. If you define the good times in your life by ensuring that the remainder of your life is not a good time, then that is, to some extent, a masochistic tendency.

      However, let me couch all this by saying that I personally think the idea of a 'dream job' is ridiculous; good and bad feelings about your employment is totally a state of psychology. I have enjoyed every type of work I've done from shoveling driveways and mowing lawns as a kid, to working 60 hours-in-a-row while starting my own company. I have been on consulting gigs where all the other consultants around me want to slit their wrists, but I'm happy as ever. It's all a state of mind. It's not about disillusionment (for the cynics out there), it's about deciding the right priorities for yourself, and finding what truly makes you happy.

      If you hate working so much OR you don't want your job to be your life, change your life and or job. Become a subsistence fisherman, or become an artist. Life is what you make of it! Who's stopping you from doing anything?

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    36. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by HungWeiLo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You talk about overhead, but you're making the assumption that overworked, 60+ hrs/wk individuals will produce output at a constant rate of high productivity. Also, a very high concern for employers these days is medical. Simply, overworked/tired workers are more likely to get more medical problems and drive up medical costs collectively.

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    37. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by rixstep · · Score: 1

      They don't call work "work" for nothing. If it was fun they would call it Vacation.

      We're cracking up on this one over here. Either this guy is the stupidest poster of all time, or he's a newcomer comedy talent destined for greatness - and has a great future which he is sure to enjoy.

    38. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Muhammar · · Score: 1

      Yea, like this 'Barnyard masturbator' job. Someone can do it every day - and get paid while doing it - I don't think they should have it in the 'worst job' category.

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    39. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by rixstep · · Score: 3, Informative

      Same in Sweden. And it goes up from there to about ten weeks. Plus, you can't forget the month off at Xmas, from about 15 December to 15 January. And still we're both amongst the most productive countries in the world per capita. I wonder why that is?

      Poor aboriginals in those third world countries like the United States...

    40. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by tverbeek · · Score: 1
      I want a dream job.

      And a completely unrelated dream hobby, to pursue in my free time.

      And dream vacations that take me away from both for a couple weeks a year.

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    41. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      so Mr. Pascal thought that living for the present and never making mistakes was the ideal?

      I dream about a future for a reason. My present is not what I want it to be. I am not happy.

    42. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by SnickleFritz · · Score: 1

      I have a job where I get great leave / vacation time. Too bad I can't use it.

      People here who use thier leave time are considered slackers and anti-productive. You aren't considered a hard worker until you lose days becuase you have the maximum amount of leave possible.

      I hate that people are treated unfairly becuase of their use of a given benefit.

      The one-up discussions of who has given up more for the company, as some sick badge of honor, is ridiculous.

      If we had mandatory time off in all businesses, in America, then it might lower the stresses and let you have more of what you dream.

      But I'm a pessimist and fully imagine that something else will come along and fill that missing stress.

    43. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by __past__ · · Score: 4, Informative

      Social security is getting worse. The last step was the "Gesundheitsreform" (health reform) of January 2004, which made the healthcare system a lot worse (at least one death directly due to the changes has been reported, and is currently dealt with in court). The unemployment rate here is as bad as everywhere else, esp. in the IT sector, and the Arbeitsamt ("employment agency", the guys that take your money while you are employed and might perhaps give you a fraction of it back when you aren't) is less willing then ever to help you find a new job, or a way to pay for food - it was also involved in a major political scandal in the last months, which forced the chairman to resign (his successor hasn't been chosen yet), which didn't help either. Going back to Uni is also not an option (at least in my state, north-rhine westfalia, other states already did that or announced to do it in the next years), because it costs EUR 650, in addition to the ~ EUR 150-200 that it cost before, for "long-time" students (about 60% of all students), something explicitly ruled out by the social-democratic party (which has the majority both in NRW and the germany as a whole, together with the green party that promised the same) in the last election. Taxes are going up. The software patents situation is likely going to get a lot worse this year, and copyright law already has in 2003 (and the equivalent of the RIAA has just annouced to massively sue private file sharers). The weather is lousy. Everytime you stand up in a Bus to let some wrinkled old guy take your seat, you wonder if he has been a member of the NSDAP - but that problem tends towards a bilological solution, unlike the militant young nazis that keep beating up foreigners and bombing jewish cemetaries and synangouges. At least they are not the only antisemitits or fascists, at least once per 6 months, some prominent politician or author gets some publicity for being one as well (not always bad publicity, mind you). After the monetary reform (from german Marks to the Euro), a lot of things have become a lot more expensive. You cannot buy beer in cans anymore, because of the 25c "Dosenpfand", cheap beer is now sold in plastic bottles, which sucks. The german pop culture is pretty much a mixture of the worst parts of the american pop culture and some really, really bad german artists. Did I mention that the weather really sucks?

    44. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Everyone who has something negative to say about Germany should visit Germany and be social, instead of having thoughts of hate or rebellion against their government (FYI Hitler is gone), be open and mingle with the society (most people speak english there, the younger people.) You will be surprised what friendly, open, liberal (note the last word) people live there. These days the US is more conservative than most of Europe.

    45. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Grrr · · Score: 1

      Uh... I didn't exactly say that "family comes first", but I did reintroduce that word - to illustrate that the OP was talking about more that mere hobbies. (Not that I disagree that family comes first, but my reply was spurred by... someone responding to something in the original post that wasn't there.)

      The OP used geocaching as an example of a larger set (our "real lives"), so I don't think we have a disagreement. I didn't want to see the OP's comparison carelessly rephrased as work-vs.-hobbies, that's all. Work-vs.-nonwork is a very different topic.

      ...where is the harm in putting it before other hobbies? kicks off several replies in my head, but they're all probably getting beaten to death in other threads anyway.

      <grrr>

    46. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by GOD_ALMIGHTY · · Score: 2, Informative

      " Which is great. But by raising overhead rates to pay for the extra vacation time, the overall effect is to make German industry less cost effective than a less enlightened country (all other factors being equal).

      Not that there's anything wrong with that."

      What a boneheaded thing to say. There's no logic to it. Perhaps German cultural factors make Germans more productive with a mandatory 6 weeks paid vacation. Personally, I'm a lot more productive when I know I'm going to get breaks to enjoy other aspects of life. As a software developer, my job requires mental focus. If 6 weeks of mandatory paid vacation allowed me to be more productive during the time I was there, the overall net benefit is to my employer and the GNP.

      All your analysis shows is that you can do a quick back of the hand calculation given some data points. Your analysis lacks any understanding of the data points and does not look at results. Germany happens to have productivity rates near the US depending on how you count software in the numbers. Also you equate attendence with productivity, while productivity only has sustainable gains when you get more done in less time, not simply work more to get more done.

      This assumption treats humans like machinery, which every totalitarian regime has shown, doesn't work. Humans tend to be far more productive when all of their needs are met. Expecting humans to act like machines is operating them out of spec. It's just like overclocking, sometimes you can get away with it, but in the long run, you'll have problems (over numerous chips) like stability or lifespan.

      Take the US growth numbers from 4Q03. They were huge, but with no job growth. That meant that a lot of these productivity gains were made through working people harder and finding cheaper labor. If it had been through honest to god productivity gains they would be listed in SEC filings, like supply chains, software and the internet were in the last decade. These things would then be "hot" markets.

      One can't simply look at dollar amounts involved with labor. They have TOC and ROI values much like any other component of an organization, it's just that it varies from "unit" to "unit". Most bosses I've known would have shot the employee that suggested paying $50k a license then skimp on the $10k support contract for production software. You simply have to look at the TOC for an employee and factor in things like downtime and maintenance.

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    47. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Joheines · · Score: 1

      Wow, I gotta tell these people at the mall about that, when I get there on Saturday at 7pm. I suppose they just didn't know!

    48. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 4, Funny
      I once had a boss that insisted that I send him a status report each week. (I hate paper work). So, I did what I often do in situations like that ... I automated it

      I once had a boss that insisted that I send him a status report each morning. I don't mind paperwork, so I did what I often do in situations like that ... I buried him in what some people call "malicious compliance."

      I can write fast and wordy. So every morning, right after my to-do list, I'd write two pages, minimum, listing every single little thing I did the day before. We're talking excruciating detail.

      It took less than a month for the guy to tell me that he didn't need daily reports anymore. He wanted a single monthly report, no more than one page, double-spaced.

      Sweeeet. :-)

    49. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by __past__ · · Score: 1
      Heh. Well, it depends. There are, of course, the huge corporations like SAP, Siemens, Deutsche Telekom, everything related to government, where critical thinking is not something that will help you career, and it isn't considiered particularly hip socially either. But then again, in many settings it isn't that bad.

      Remember that the vacation times, as the rest of the social security system, was not something someone granted us out of favour. People died for it, as you mercians like to put it (and of course it is a simple fact, a lot of people did literally die - shot be the police (no matter who controlled the police, emperor Wilhelm II, the social-democrats, the nazis...), killed in concentration camps, you name it. It's a pity that today nobody seems to care about their own lifes enough, pretty much like the chickening out that prevented the USA from becoming a modern society.

    50. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by he-sk · · Score: 1

      Businesses can open till 8pm on Saturdays in Germany, just like every day during the week.

      --
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    51. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by TwinkieStix · · Score: 1

      I think that this is bad. There are people who like to work more than this. They want to get paid more and vacation less. In a perfect world, people should be smart enough to take perks like health care and vacation time in to account instead of raw salary. I know I do, and I don't want the government running around forcing my employer to force me to work less which in turn makes me less efficient, which in turn makes the company less money, which in turn earns me less pay.

      I'm in competition with other workers sharing my skills and companies are in competition to pay me enough (money, free vacation time, health care) to justify my not leaving to work somewhere else. That should be enough supply and demand to keep wages high ENOUGH and vacation time high ENOUGH. If enough seems too low to the workers in my field, it just means that there are too many workers in my field and the market is saturated which breaks down the curve. Too many people have these skills, and I need to go earn different skills. As a worker, I should do what the companies do and strive to hold a monopoly on my skills. To do that, I need to do something somebody else can't do as fast, or as well, and then I will get high wages and lots of time off.

      The right to work isn't a god given right until we have acquired the talent and skill to compete, and I don't want the government to tell my employer otherwise or else my employer will move somewhere else. This is EXACTLY why I'm not afraid of jobs moving to India. I have better training, more experience, and can do better work. If somebody in India can do this, then they deserve my job, and I need to seek a new skill.

      By the way, to keep it on topic, I love my job. I am an IT director for a rock band merchandising company. I meet the bands, get free passes, and cheap merch. The owner is relatively honest, and I get paid pretty well. The people are cool, and I don't get many paid vacations (major holidays and 1-2 sick/holiday freebies a month), because I don't need them. The worst part is that HR is constantly hounding me to take my break every 2 hours because under California/US law, I must break 10-15 minutes paid every 2 hours and 30 minutes unpaid within 6 of every 8. It takes me 5-10 minutes to get into full speed-high focus programming or designing, and a break every 2 hours is NOT efficient for me. I'd rather take a full 30 minutes paid in the middle of the day instead. Once again, the law is stepping on the toes of my relationship with my employer.

    52. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by __past__ · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The name is Budweiser, and it (the name, at least) is Czech. The original Budweiser is called "Anheuser Busch" or some such in most parts of the world. I'd agree about rather drinking Paulaner out of a plastic bottle, though, even if I still prefer a Jever Pils out of a glass bottle (I happen to prefer beer out of 0.5 liter glass bottles over everything else).

      (I guess that is enough proof that I really am german ;-)

      Frankly, I have often considered emigrating. Actually, it has been a constant theme for the whole of my life, given that my father is an immigrant (from Iran), my parents once considered moving to Canada, and it looked like it would be simply irresponsible to stay in germany during the pogroms of the early to mid 90ies.

      The big, big problem is - THERE IS NO REALLY GEEK-FRIENDLY COUNTRY. Why on earth would I want to go the the USA, the land of the DMCA, where unfounded lawsuits are considered a respectable hobby? Mid- and South-America is a huge mess, as far as I understand (I only have first-hand information about Brazil, where an aunt of mine happens to live) Most of mid- and western europe is in exactly the same situation as germany is, and eastern europe tends to be worse. People in huge parts of Africa seem to be busy surviving in the first place (the causes of which deserve their own thread), and my experience taught me that I have trouble getting along in east asia, let alone wanting to spend my life there. Antarctica is obviosly not interesting, and, well, Australia might be, but I just don't know, never been there.

      In other words, I agree, I would love to get out of germany. But I do not know where to go from there!

      If anybody knows about the perfect society for a geek to live in, please speak up!

    53. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by rossifer · · Score: 1

      Wow, did you miss the point.

      Some poor people do have jobs that they must "get away from". The people mentioned in this article (and many like them) have jobs which are a part of their rich and full lives. The secret is BALANCE: figuring out what's really important to you and acting in such a way to satisfy those desires.

      You appear to argue that a job you enjoy going to necessarily excludes other aspects of a full and rich life. I can't for the life of me understand why you think life is such an "either-or" game. Enjoy work or have a full life? That's a false dichotomy. What kind of a full life do you really have if you spend eight hours of every day waiting for 5:00pm and looking forward to the weekend? Just because I look forward to my day at work doesn't mean that I forget what's really important to me. Spending time with my family and friends doesn't get forgotten about just because I love my job. I wouldn't love my job if it didn't afford me the time to spend with my family and friends.

      In a good balance, work is enjoyable. Time away from work is also enjoyable, but if you're doing it right, you won't spend your day at work pining for the weekend. IMHO, play and work are inextricably intertwined. For me to get into a superproductive mode (which I call "flow"), I have to turn my job into a game. I know that I am not alone in this method of simultaneously 1) enjoying the thought of another day of work and 2) producing enormous value for my employer. When I'm in a flow state (I can usually get into flow for two to three weeks at a time), I can produce 40-50 tested lines of code per hour, easily 2x or 3x my normal rate. I can't sustain that rate indefinitely, but especially when in flow, taking breaks, going home, enjoying good company, getting a good night's sleep are necessary, not excluded or forgotten about.

      As for the title of your posting, you're absolutely right. Your job should not be your life. But your posting doesn't limit itself to that argument. Loving your job doesn't mean that you don't love other things that together make for a wonderful liveable life. And hating (or even tolerating your job) will necessarily compromise having what I personally consider "the best of all worlds".

      Regards,
      Ross

    54. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by TechnoWeenie · · Score: 1

      So if someone offered to pay you for geocacheing with your friends, you would turn them down?

    55. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by spruce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, you should get a -1 flamebait for your aboriginal/third world comment, but it sure is popular to mod against the US.

      I certainly wouldn't mind a little extra time off, but I'm not complaining too much. My work allows me to live a very nice lifestyle, with plenty of time for friends and family.

      From the CIA world factbook - Per capita purchasing powers :

      US : purchasing power parity - $36,300 (2002 est.)

      Sweden purchasing power parity - $26,000 (2002 est.)

      Germany : purchasing power parity - $26,200 (2002 est.)

      So you're being pretty handily outproduced by a buch of aborigines. Maybe I can use some of my hard earned cash some day to visit the enlightened part of the world, Sweden.

    56. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by nniillss · · Score: 1
      Cool. You took a dull task and found the perfect solution. In your case, the time saving makes the advantage obvious.

      I am a scripting type of person, too, and learned regular expressions recently for this reason. My threshold for trying to replace a dull task with an elegant automated solution is about when the perfect solution takes 20% more time than I expect to save in the foreseeable future. For me, this is an acceptable price for being a master instead of a slave.

    57. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by spruce · · Score: 1

      The german pop culture is pretty much a mixture of the worst parts of the american pop culture and some really, really bad german artists.

      Yea, we're sorry about that.

    58. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by LA_Samurai · · Score: 1

      Where do I sign up??? To work in Germany, I mean...

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    59. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by __past__ · · Score: 1
      Whoa, you should be.

      Does this jerk really believe he had anything to do with the german reunion? He was popular because he was Michael Knight (hey, we only got private tv channels in the mid-80ies, and that was only in western germany!), not because he was a good singer, a good actor, or his songs had particularly smart texts. Not to mention that knowledge of the english language wasn't exactly widespread among the eastern-german people (who tended to learn russian instead, and who obviously played a more important role in this whole shebang). I was about 12 years old back then, and even I knew that this guy was a pathetic joke.

    60. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by FattMattP · · Score: 1
      Dream jobs eliminate the one good thing about life. Vacation. Whether that be on the weekends, your random days off in the middle of the week, or the two weeks you spend lounging in Jamaica.
      Nonsense. I'm working my dream job and I love it but that doesn't mean that I want to always be here day after day, hour after hour. Vacation and weekends are time for me to pursue my other interests of which I have several. To quote Groucho Marx, "I like my cigar, but I take it out once in a while."
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    61. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by tetsuji · · Score: 3, Funny
      So you're being pretty handily outproduced by a buch of aborigines. Maybe I can use some of my hard earned cash some day to visit the enlightened part of the world, Sweden.

      Or, at least, you could if you had the time off to do so!

    62. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by david.gilbert · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I can't afford to take any time off after my first child is born in August.

      Yes you can. You only *think* you can't afford it.

    63. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by CommieLib · · Score: 1

      The enlightened country is the one that realizes that maybe different people at different times in their lives have different priorities.

      A couple of years back, when I was trying to switch from being a tech support monkey to being a programmer, I worked a LOT more than 50 hours a week. I was also going to school and was newly married. No way to live, right? That short-term sacrifice has allowed me to have a much more affluent and healthy lifestyle.

      I suppose I'd still be working tech support in Germany because of their beneficence.

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    64. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by npsimons · · Score: 1
      I only have a few quotes for you in response:

      I do not 'work'. I have people who pay me to do my hobbies in a timely
      fashion.
      -- unknown


      The master in the art of living makes little distinction between his
      work and his play, his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, his
      education and his recreation, his love and his religion. He hardly knows
      which is which; he simply pursues his vision of excellence in whatever
      he does, leaving others to decide whether he is working or playing. To
      him he is always doing both.
      -- Zen Buddhist Text


      The more I want to get something done, the less I call it work.
      -- Richard Bach, "Illusions"

    65. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by SpaceCadetTrav · · Score: 1

      Well, since he's making about thirty percent more than you, he could take about 100 days off and still break even.

    66. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

      "I don't want a dream job...Dream jobs eliminate the one good thing about life. Vacation. Whether that be on the weekends, your random days off in the middle of the week, or the two weeks you spend lounging in Jamaica. They don't call work "work" for nothing." {etc.}

      I couldn't disagree more. I have a job that is so much fun that if I had to have a regular job to earn money so I could come do this for free, I would. It comes with vacations of a sort, when I travel to conference to present my work. But to take time off to do something else? A day once a month to catch up on some videos, or launch some model rockets, but that's all. The other 29 days give or take, I'm in the lab.

      What I do is not easy by any stretch. It is difficult and complicated and there's very few people to whom I can turn for help. But this just makes it an ultimate situation of problem solving, which I have always loved.

      OK, I did take some time "off" last year, first time in 5 years. Two weeks at a workshop for mathematical modeling of neural systems at the Santa Fe Institute. It had the scenery and the touristy stuff (love that southwestern food), but I also got my egde-city science and computer freak out time.

      This not not just what I do, but who I am.
      My self defined the parameters of my dream job, and I found it, rather than having a job mold me to it. Anything less than what I do now, and I've tried many different things, is not enough. I only hope that I can save up enough so that when someplace forces me to retire, if no place else will hire me straight out, I'll have enough to pay my own way and work for them for free. I will not go quietly, and I won't stop on my own. I can't stop being me.

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    67. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by edrain · · Score: 1

      Yes. Just as, in the post you are refering to, the more enlightened country is Germany. As the poster stated.

    68. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by 10bt · · Score: 1

      i had an exchange co-worker from france. he once made a casual comment: "americans live to work. europeans work to live." i think he is mostly right.

    69. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Simonetta · · Score: 1

      In other words, I agree, I would love to get out of germany. But I do not know where to go from there!

      Might I suggest Israel? Western Canada is also great if you don't want all the baggage (like the permanent war going on in the neighborhood there) associated with being an Israeli. Western Canada has a lot of rain, but that may change over the decades with the coming of global warming and its effect on climate. They're a little light on high tech jobs, but that will change also.
      They do have great scenery, great people, great wine, really great weed, and they're close enough to the US to do shopping without being chained to all the American problems and national debt issues.
      Then again maybe Germany might be a good place to live until the situation in Iran becomes more liberal and moderate. Under all those burkas, they do have the most beautiful women in the world there. Plus 2/3rds of the population is under thirty. Move all the cement-head mullahs and their secret police morals-squad thugs to Pakistan and Iran could be an interesting place to live.

    70. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by tjb · · Score: 1

      Going back to Uni is also not an option (at least in my state, north-rhine westfalia, other states already did that or announced to do it in the next years), because it costs EUR 650, in addition to the ~ EUR 150-200 that it cost before, for "long-time" students

      I'm sorry, this kills me - 850 Euro? $1100? And you're bitching and whining?

      If you want to go back to university, take out a freaking loan and just do it! It isn't all that much - even if you went for four years, that's only 5K Euro in debt (after accumulating interest). You'll probably be paying around 120 Euro/month to pay that off in 5 years after finishing - I don't understand the big deal.

      I took out about $60K in loans to go to school here in the US (and got about another $60K in gratis government assistance), and 4 years later they're about half paid off and I still net way more each month after making my $700 payments than I would have if I didn't take those loans. And I didn't even bother to graduate :)

      So less whining, more action. If you want to do anything - make money, get more education, whatever - action always accomplishes more than whining. And don't worry about debt, there's more to life than having chickenshit money right now (like having a lot of money later :) oh and fun and family and friends and education and personal satisfaction and all that stuff too ).

      Remember, fortune favors the bold.

      Tim

    71. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      and you will spend your extra $10K per year on doctors and medicine.

    72. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

      Screw that. I lived in Germany for two years and loved it (once in 1991, and once again in 1997.) Former DDR, too, so you think you slobs over in North Rhine Westfalia have it bad...at least you weren't getting paid 60% of the going rate to do the same job for the past ten years. Not to mention that unemployment in Zeitz, where my host-uncle lives, hit 50% in some areas.

      Now I'm in my second year of living in Japan, and although it's not the fun and games that most people expect, it's good (if you're weird like me, anyway.) I still think life in Germany is better, though, just don't tell my friends here. Und im Sachsen, die schoene Frauen wachsen wie auf den Baeume.

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    73. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by colmore · · Score: 1

      I wholeheartedly agree.

      "Leasure time" is a product of the post-industrial age. In agrarian societies, leasure is tied to work. The whole community celebrates at times keyed to the harvest cycle, and the times of hardest work, are the times of the greatest group-involvement and biggest celebration.

      The idea that there is separate "work" and "play" time, one where you're paid, the other where you should feel slightly guilty for not working more, comes from the factory floor, where suddenly your time is someone else's money, and productivity is a measurable quantity.

      "Alienation is for the rich" - They Might Be Giants.

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    74. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 1

      10% unemployment would be improvement for Portlanders, so why not have the workers rights come with it?

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    75. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by eyeye · · Score: 1

      I'd hate to work at your imaginary company, having to put up with other peoples brats. urgh...

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    76. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      You're just a slacker. If I love my work, then that is my "real" life.

      Life is the thing that happens between the time you're conceived to the time your heart and brain stops functioning. That life consists of some amount of working. It's a much better time spent if you actually like that part of your life.

      People who talk about real lives generally tend to be crappy at what they do.

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    77. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by __past__ · · Score: 1
      I never said it would be better is the US, just that it gets worse in germany :-)

      (And I'm indeed going back to uni. I'd rather not have to pay, however.)

    78. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by spruce · · Score: 1

      hey bud, you just got a new friend.

    79. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by GimmeFuel · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the more enlightened country be the one that realizes no one is forcing you to work like a dog with only a week's vacation? You are free to ask your employer at any time for more vacation time. If they refuse, nothing is stopping you from quitting and finding another job that gives you more vacation.

    80. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by rif42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My work allows me to live a very nice lifestyle, with plenty of time for friends and family.

      Congratiulation with that, just a pity that in the US more than 1 in 10 has to live on income below poverty line.

      US : purchasing power parity - $36,300 (2002 est.) ... and these numbers was brought to you from the same organisation that one year ago fabricated reports about weapon of mass destruction.

      Note these are estimate for 2002 not even final numbers from 2002. From Jan 2002 till Jan 2004 the USD has fallen 30% against the EUR. So once these information-twisters update their figures the numbers will surely look different.

    81. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by destiny_uk · · Score: 1

      >Going back to Uni is also not an option (at least >in my state, north-rhine westfalia, other states >already did that or announced to do it in the next >years), because it costs EUR 650, in addition to >the ~ EUR 150-200 that it cost before 650 euros! You wanna check how much uni costs in the states...

    82. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by dozek · · Score: 1
      I once had a boss that insisted that I send him a status report each week.

      I once had 7 bosses who all wanted me to put a new cover sheet on the weekly report (they called it a 'TPS Report'...whatever that is???). Instead, I tore apart my cubicle and embezzelled a bunch of money from them. Hmm...maybe I should make a movie out of the sad story of my job?

    83. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by adubeau · · Score: 1

      Beer in plastic bootles does sucks! (we have it as well) All we have been hearing about is how Janet Jackson showed a tit during the Super Bowl halftime show, It was a publicity stunt, new alblum coming soon Hell she should have gave us a two for one sale for all this B.S...

      (6 weeks of vacation time, really? thats cool)

      Corp. America is trying to find more ways to f'k us over by shipping more job's over seas, reduce benefits, pay corp exec more for making bad decisions, really trying to do way more with less people.I worked the 60 - 80 hours a week scheduleand dealt with the pressure and demands of customers, project scheduls and management, oh let's not forget doing the samething 4 times over.

      India is PO'd that a bill is before the US Sentate that would prevent the US Gov. from out-sourcing to componies that send jobs over seas..
      The Pres already said he would veto...(figures)..
      and Corp America is lobbying it's ass off as well to stop it. Recently a Labor bill was passed that allowed companies to reclassify over million hourly workers so they could be converted to salary, saving millions on OT.. Go figure - this even robs Unlce Sam of tax dollars...

      We have not had any good bands in the US, hell since I don't know when.. Everything to day is based on marketing of no talent teenagers.. I still listen to the groups I grewup with, most no longer make alblums..

      So as you can see were pretty much in same boat, just on difference side of the globe...

    84. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by fab13n · · Score: 1
      Had you been in Europe, you'd have had the choice to spend your 5 to 9 weeks (yes, there are jobs in Europe where you get 9 weeks vacations, and teachers don't count) either one the beach, looking at more nipples you'd ever see at a superbowl MTV show, or learning whatever's required to be something else than a "tech support monk(ey)" without having to endure 70 hours weeks.

      Moreover, many countries in Europe consider to make formation&teaching all-life-long an enforcable right for all workers (mandatory dedicated time-credit, obligation to provide some formations...)

    85. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Andraax · · Score: 1
      Slaving away like a serf for a king is very 1300s.
      Actually, serfs in the middle ages had 80 holidays per year, their leige lord was required to invite them to 2 feasts a year, and they worked off their rent and tax obligations for the year in 60 days - the rest of the year they were working for their own betterment. Is your life so good? Can you earn enough in 60 days to pay your entire tax and rent (or mortgage) obligation for the year? Does your boss take you and your family out to a feast twice a year? Do you get 80 holidays off a year?
    86. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Goorto · · Score: 1

      First off, 6 weeks would be great and should be the norm (and I don't mean government norm). The overhead is the same, American CEO's just scarf up all those extra weeks from employees in the form of compensation. Oh, and I get paid to do work. We had a guy who liked to play and we fired him because all he did was play! Sorry, I consider play something that I do in the off hours. Personally I would rather work the 46 weeks and play the rest!

    87. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by boy_afraid · · Score: 1

      Sorry for you, but my wife and I DON'T want to have kids. We LIKE to have our time and do as we please. If you have kids, it's your choice, don't make us childless people who choose NOT to have kids take up the slack for your choice.

      BTW, why the hell should I have to pay school taxes when I never plan to use the service??? I have, never will, and don't care to have kids! YUK!!

    88. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by leerpm · · Score: 1

      Because those people's children are going to be paying the taxes that keep the country going, after you have gone onto retirement.

    89. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1
      The name is Budweiser, and it (the name, at least) is Czech. The original Budweiser is called "Anheuser Busch" or some such in most parts of the world. I'd agree about rather drinking Paulaner out of a plastic bottle, though, even if I still prefer a Jever Pils out of a glass bottle (I happen to prefer beer out of 0.5 liter glass bottles over everything else).
      As a German, does "Budweiser" sound Czech to you? The Czech name is Budvar. Budweiser is what Bohemia's Austrian overlords named it and in most countries the name has stuck. In the US you can get Buvar under the name Czechvar. They are contractually precluded from using Bud* here. I am not sure the AB Budweiser is really "the original." It predates the current Budvar/Budweiser by about 20 years, but it seems pretty evident that a beer named after Bud?jovice, a town Adlphus Bush did not hail from, was probably an homage to a pre-existing Czech product, or at least style.

      I personally prefer another Czech bee the Germans renamed, Plzensky Prazdroj, a.k.a. Pilsner Urquell. It has gone way downhill in recent years, but is still a nice brew.

      Do I have an appropriate user name for this comment or what?
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    90. Re:Your job shouldn't be your life. by Knacklappen · · Score: 1

      Then what is it that holds you there? I didn't want to work in a place full of false work mates with their small and bigger intriques, full of control-fixated and title-and-hierachy-obsessed bosses, etc. So I left 6 years ago. Probably for good, but I decide that on a per-year basis.

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  2. Re:Dream Job #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Anonymous Coward,

    After further revision your skillset and experience does not appear to match our First Poster job position requirements. In fact, you miserably failed.

    We at Slashdot value professionals like you and would like to keep your resume in our database for future positions open.

    Best regards,
    HR

  3. My dream job... by macMaestro · · Score: 1

    LEGO master builder. Getting paid to play with LEGOs - bliss.

  4. Lawyer? by scumbucket · · Score: 1

    Lawyer for SCO?

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    1. Re:Lawyer? by spamania · · Score: 2, Funny

      You would, I assume, be referring to the creative freedom you would have as such?

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  5. IEEE Magazine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If I wanted a list of what's hip & cool, I wouldn't look in IEEE magazine to find it.

    1. Re:IEEE Magazine? by sonofasailor · · Score: 1

      Its the spectrum for crying out loud. Its not like its a "real" journal. Its geared toward "pre-Engineers"

  6. Dream Job by Linux+Ate+My+Dog! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a UI designer, I once saw somebody have my dream job: he was creating an application for JPL to visualize the data and state of a deep-space probe. It would reflect the health of the probe at-a-glance and give access to further data. So it had NASA, space, complex data, and cool visualization all rolled into one. It would be for Depp Space One.

    He was not enjoying the work and the circumstances (like the pay). I would have given my left arm (i.e. learned to program on OpenVMS from nothing) for that gig. We all have different dreams.

  7. Win the lotto! by RicJohnson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's my question:
    If YOU won the lotto, what would you do? Would you still work in IT?
    Would you get bored or would you seek to challenge your self with a "dream job"?
    I am such a workaholic, I am convinced that I would create my own company AND I would hire some of those IT people that were layed off!

    1. Re:Win the lotto! by four12 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Would I still work in IT? No. Not only "no", but "hell no". I'd play with some computer stuff, but I wouldn't hang my hat on it.

      What would I do? I would be a world-travelling photographer, specializing in great hiking trails and locations. I'd specialize on Europe, but branch out occasionally.

      Yep, that's what I would do... go hikin' and take pictures.

    2. Re:Win the lotto! by darkharlequin · · Score: 1

      I'd probably stay at my current job, but I would also try to build my own company in a different vertical. Working is fun when you are a professional, even stressful meetings or managing others. It gets exhausting, but so does sports and other leisure activities.

      --
      i am so very tired....
    3. Re:Win the lotto! by 4of12 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If YOU won the lotto, what would you do? Would you still work in IT?

      I'd set up a foundation to hire 5 of the sharpest, most personable programmers from 3 continents and commission them to produce a Powerpoint replacement based on SVG and get some good international outline fonts made for good measure.

      Not only a good slide show interface, but a good composition interface as well. Vector graphics. Including TeX like formatting of text boxes for math, languages going right to left, left to right, as well as top to bottom. Make all the file formats completely open. Have dynamic effects, a choreographer of objects moving around the screen (just 2D; true 3D I'd leave for someone more ambitious).

      I'm convince it would be a great gift to the world.

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    4. Re:Win the lotto! by cbdavis · · Score: 1

      Hey, thats my dream....! I'd spend the rest of my
      life trying to be the next A. Adams. Just use large format gear. Landscape only. Backback all that gear into places....maybe take a break and fly fish.

      Oh, I'd also burn my PCs and never think about computers ever again.

      Then, I could die in peace.

    5. Re:Win the lotto! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If you win the lotto, inherit a million or more, please keep on working. If you stop, it will be very hard to get back into the productive zone.

      Just remember to enjoy the wealth. Buy that 8 person hot tub and soak in it every night. If you're up north, install floor heating. Concentrate on what's important, there's no need to feel stress anymore.

      Bill Gates actually is a very good role model in this aspect, he's the wealthiest man on planet yet keeps on working.

      Of course, if you hate your current job, it might be a better plan to buy that 640 acre farm from South Dakota and make your prairie fantasies come true. Not all of us will find happiness in an office setting.

  8. History Channel's dream job by SoCalChris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There was a show on the History Channel this week about the autobahn. They did a short piece on some lucky bastard who works for a Porche tuner. His job? Take each new, handbuilt car onto the autobahn late at night, and certify just how fast it can go.

    1. Re:History Channel's dream job by southpolesammy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unfortunately, that job is not without its risks, and the mortality rate of that job is much higher than the norm.

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    2. Re:History Channel's dream job by fullofangst · · Score: 4, Funny

      A minor detail like "mortality rate" wouldn't put me off THAT job!

    3. Re:History Channel's dream job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      so instead of dying enjoying what you do you die at home hooked to an IV full of drugs when you're 20 years past the days when you were actually able to function and enjoy yourself?

      No thanks. I'd rather die at 35 having a blast than at 99 after being a near shut-in both physically and mentally.

    4. Re:History Channel's dream job by __past__ · · Score: 2, Insightful
      His job might have been a lot less enjoyable after the series of deadly accidents caused by test drivers on german autobahns last year. Of course, the most spectacular case was a BMW driver IIRC, not a Porsche guy, but he probably would be affected by this as well (if he did survive until today and kept able to do the job, that is).

      Even in germany, where there is indeed not a hard speed limit for huge parts of the autobahn, when you are involved in an accident, you are automatically at least partially guilty if you went faster than 130km/h. If some bozo causes an accident you are involved in without actually doing anything wrong, but you maxed out your 911, you will at least loose your driver's license, and probably a significant amount of money. In many cases, it gets worse, and righly so.

    5. Re:History Channel's dream job by DjMd · · Score: 1

      ...you maxed out your 911, you will at least loose your driver's license, and probably a significant amount of money. In many cases, it gets worse, and righly so.

      Yeah, you would lose lots of money. To the hospital.
      Or maybe if you are lucky a little bit to the funeral home. If you maxed out your 911, you would be lucky to be a organ donor....

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      DJMD - The fourth man - Planetary
    6. Re:History Channel's dream job by NotClever · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At 36, I'd have to disagree. :)

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      Hell, there are no rules here. We're trying to accomplish something. - Thomas Edison
    7. Re:History Channel's dream job by CrayzyJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I saw the same show but came to a different conclusion. He "tests" the cars. So if something breaks, the BEST case scenario is he's walking home. The worst case has been mentioned in other responses.

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      Holy s-, it's Jesus!
    8. Re:History Channel's dream job by Joheines · · Score: 1

      No. Health insurance is mandatory in Germany. And there are none of these "we won't pay anything under $100 or over $105 or recurring more than twice, and we won't pay anything at all if you don't have enough money for a lawyer"-clauses there.

    9. Re:History Channel's dream job by __past__ · · Score: 1
      There is a "pay EUR 10 before we are allowed to cure you" clause, though. At least, you are not really required to pay it before they take care about you, but given the current confusion after the latest demolition of the health-care system, I wouldn't be surprised is some victim of a traffic accident would die because he had only EUR 9.50 in his wallet...

      BTW, as I just recently had to learn, it is amazingly easy to have no health insurance in germany... Not a good thing to learn by example if you happen to be chronically ill (like I am), that much I can tell you...

    10. Re:History Channel's dream job by switcha · · Score: 4, Funny
      and the mortality rate of that job is much higher than the norm.

      What does Norm do for a living?

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      You know what? ... A little club soda *did* get that out!
    11. Re:History Channel's dream job by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      Well, he says he's an accountant but he never really works and he's always drinking beer at the bar.

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      Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
  9. There's always worse. by Geoffd1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let me tell you something: if you think you have the worst job, there's always a more dire one.

    I had a job where I was supposed to engineer "smart" plumbing fixtures - keeping water temperature right, measuring turd/bowl ratio, etc. It paid the bills, but it was boring as hell - and always got blank looks at the local SCA meets.

    When the tech boom subsided, I lost the job. I wasn't too worked up about it. I found another job quickly, but little did I know it would turn out to be even worse. It was similar to the above position (experience always helps when applying), but, as I found out upon showing up on day one, I was to be engineering urinals. I fear parties, for people inevitably ask me what I do. Ten years of higher education for this, and people piss on my designs!

    So, don't complain about your job. At least your products aren't full of piss.

    1. Re:There's always worse. by Golias · · Score: 1

      Dude. The guy who cleans them has a much worse job than you. Try to keeps some perspective. The world could use better urinal designs. (There's still a lot of work to be done on reducing the dreaded "splashback" effect!)

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      Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

    2. Re:There's always worse. by Geoffd1 · · Score: 2

      The point of my above post was that there's always a more smelly fish - that there's always a worse job. I know people who design cars and complain about it, though - so I thought I should speak up.

    3. Re:There's always worse. by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Are you kidding? I'd have t-shirts made proclaiming that I designed smart urinals for a living. You have a unique job that many people would get a kick out of.

      It should also be notted that getting blank looks at SCA meetings is normal. Somthing about people who get hit in the head with sticks for fun.

      --

      "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    4. Re:There's always worse. by Golias · · Score: 1

      Actually, I would rather have the urinal job than the plumming systems job. Explaining your first job would bore people at parties, while your current job, as long as you have a good sense of humor about it, is a conversation starter. Everybody gets it when you say "I design urinals," but being asked about specialized jobs which don't result in a product that people see every day forces you to quickly change the subject from your day job to the Metallica cover band you play with on the weekends, or your vast collection of anime DVDs, and then you really sound dull!

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    5. Re:There's always worse. by Quasar1999 · · Score: 1

      So, don't complain about your job. At least your products aren't full of piss.

      No, just vinegar, you stole all the piss, hence the reason nothing's holding together... can't very well have things held together with piss 'n vinegar, if there ain't no piss... dammit....

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      Programming is like sex... Make one mistake and support it the rest of your life.
    6. Re:There's always worse. by Neil+Watson · · Score: 1

      Have some pride man! If it wasn't for you would would all be wallowing in our own filth. Truely, your work makes us all a little more civilized.

    7. Re:There's always worse. by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 1

      You know those rubber pads that often are at the bottom of public urinals? One time I saw one with the name of the company that made it, Johnson Sanders & Son or something like that, proudly written across it.

      And I suddenly realized: I'm pissing on this guy's name!

      Offtopic I guess because I doubt that Mr. Sander's job or his son's was all that bad... but one example of when not to name your company after yourself...

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      [SIG] It's like putting a moose in the blender -- a recipe for disaster!
    8. Re:There's always worse. by CGP314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let me tell you something: if you think you have the worst job, there's always a more dire one.

      That's only true if there are an unlimited number of jobs, which I don't think is the current situation.

      -Colin

    9. Re:There's always worse. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I had a job where I was supposed to engineer "smart" plumbing fixtures....I was to be engineering urinals....Ten years of higher education for this, and people piss on my designs!

      My boss pisses all over my designs also, they are just office reports instead of (formal) urinals.

    10. Re:There's always worse. by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 2, Funny

      Engineering urinals - a decent job and a boon to society.

      SCA meets - not cool. The SCA should be thankful that furries are around to keep them off the bottom of the totem pole.

      Tim

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      Omnia vestra castrorum habetur nobis.
    11. Re:There's always worse. by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Tech people are some of the worst for this (including myself once upon a time!).

      Moan like mad about everything from their pay to their training to the quality of coffee. The funny thing is that I've met people who do jobs that I would hate to do like working on checkouts or being janitors, and they love it.

    12. Re:There's always worse. by smack_attack · · Score: 1

      Piss on the floor.

    13. Re:There's always worse. by Gremlin77 · · Score: 1


      Luxury!

      In my day, we got it tattooed on our backs. We could were no such t-shirts. And we liked it.

    14. Re:There's always worse. by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

      Actually, I try not to use urinals quite often, because so damn many of them 'fight back' when you piss. I've used properly designed urinals that offer much better deflection angles and they're worlds better. I wonder about who designs the things every time I piss, I also think about that 'Royal' company that makes the plumbing end, they must make a MINT!

      --
      "Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
    15. Re:There's always worse. by howlinmonkey · · Score: 1

      My last name used to be Swisher, and there are those urinal pads all over the place around here, but they say Sanitized by Swisher. So when I pissed in the urinal, it got cleaner. --Top That :)

  10. dreaming of having a job by maxbang · · Score: 3, Funny

    period.

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  11. My dream job... by _Potter_PLNU_ · · Score: 1

    ...is a job period, doing what my degree is in. The woes of a recent grad trying to find a Computer Science position.

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    "Hard work never killed anyone." -- Some Dead Guy
  12. well at my job... by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 3, Funny

    i get no training and no chance for advancement, monitarily or otherwise. no raise in the 5 years i have been there...

    so my dream job is any job where i get training once in a while on things i am expected to support, and where i might get a raise if i do a solid job. its not just me, nobody else at the company gets raises either. still looking for another job, but the market isnt so good, at least in my area.

    on the other hand, i know people (at other places) that are far more qualified than I am, and they have been looking for a job for quite some time more... so i cant complain too much, i guess.

    to summarize, my dream job would be one where i could potentially advance for doing good work. oh, that and i want to be surrounded by hot chicks.

    1. Re:well at my job... by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      Have you thought of looking for a new job? Actively?

      Obviously you aren't happy where oyu are.

  13. Does this count? by JZ_Tonka · · Score: 5, Funny
    Sitting on a couch in my parents basement, posting to Slashdot from my Linux-running laptop, surrounded by empty McDonalds wrappers and cans of Jolt provided through a generous grant from the U.S. taxpayer.

    No, I'm not bitter...

    1. Re:Does this count? by Maul · · Score: 3, Funny

      I had that job before, but it got outsourced to India.

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      "You spoony bard!" -Tellah

    2. Re:Does this count? by Chainsaw+Messiah · · Score: 1

      Darn, you posted mine, I was gonna suggest slashdot editor too ...

  14. Yeah, but what about... by serutan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sure, astronaut, deep sea submersibles, yeah, yeah. But they left out bikini team oiler.

    1. Re:Yeah, but what about... by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure, astronaut, deep sea submersibles, yeah, yeah. But they left out bikini team oiler.

      I would NOT want to be an astronaut. Aside from the risk, it is often uncomfortable. The space suits have all kinds of poking and scratchy things in them, and you have tight quarters with even less fresh air than an office cubicle. Plus, you are expected to keep constant concentration with lots of funny beeping and flashing things all around. And The Food! Oh my. Think airlines are bad. And, there are jillions of cold metal gizmos to hook up before you take a poop, and no magazines in there.

      Alien 9: "In space, you can't wear flannel shirts."

    2. Re:Yeah, but what about... by Dukael_Mikakis · · Score: 1

      But they left out bikini team oiler.

      This job's overrated, trust me. You have to get up at 5 in the morning because usually they shoot ridiculously early in the mornings (for lighting or something), and most of the time you're just sitting around doing nothing, and the pay isn't so good, and you have to work on some pretentious bitch's schedule.

      And the women hardly ever talk to you, they just give you I'm-too-good-for-you looks and if they do talk to you, it's always those dreadful words: "Let me tell you about my day ...". Shoot me!

    3. Re:Yeah, but what about... by Dukael_Mikakis · · Score: 1

      Lau Kofoed Kierstein may be sitting on the floor with a few six-year-old boys, playing with action figures.

      Isn't Jacko being indicted for having this "job"?

    4. Re:Yeah, but what about... by AndrewHowe · · Score: 1

      She can't help the way she looks, except that she tries to look as good as she can.
      If she's talking to you, you're halfway there. What was her day like?

    5. Re:Yeah, but what about... by Darken_Everseek · · Score: 1

      No, he was indicted for playing with six year old boys, not their action figures ;)

  15. to follow my passions by HealYourChurchWebSit · · Score: 1

    My dream job is to pursue my passions, which are currently issues of website usability and accessibilty. Sorta in a 'geek eye for the internet guy'

    I also like the team/technical/mentoring thing ... I learn so much from my exchange of experience with the younger turks' savvy (and energy)

    I'd like it to pay enough where I could do the same work for the variety of charities of my choice

    I'd like it to last for more than 2 years

    Bottom line, I want to work, work hard, work productively at what I love to do.

    Doesn't everyone?

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    --- have you healed your church website?
  16. A supermodel's trophy husband by Golias · · Score: 4, Funny
    A great dream job would be a trophy husband to a beautiful, weathly, fun-loving supermodel.

    Oh, they are talking about dream jobs for Electrical Engineers only?

    In that case: A great dream job would be a trophy husband to a beautiful, weathly, fun-loving supermodel.

    What? You think having EE degrees means they would rather stare at oscilliscopes all day!?

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    Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

    1. Re:A supermodel's trophy husband by Mongr · · Score: 1

      Personally.....I've been seeing a whole lotta photos of models in "painted-on" swimsuits lately. I have to say...my favorite answer to "what do you do for a living?" would be "I paint swimsuits onto naked supermodels".

      heh

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    2. Re:A supermodel's trophy husband by theMerovingian · · Score: 1


      There is an ugly, poor, fun-loving waitress out there who thinks the same thing about electrical engineers.

      Watch out!

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      "If you think you have things under control, you're not going fast enough." --Mario Andretti
    3. Re:A supermodel's trophy husband by Golias · · Score: 1
      ... with fingerpaints.

      If you are going to dream, dream big.

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      Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

    4. Re:A supermodel's trophy husband by smallstepforman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Having a supermodel girlfriend is exciting for the first 4-6 months (with unbelievable bragging rights), but after that you also get tired of her shit, bugs in her head and personality flaws, and realise that they're just like everyone else (but with super looks). But then you're given crap for being overweight (she works with stick figures all day), not hunky enough (she works with male models), not seducive or witty enough (hey, everyone is trying to seduce her), etc. so you're always trying 100% of the time to keep her.

      After months of this, you just want a normal witty girl who is fun to be with, looks be damned.

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    5. Re:A supermodel's trophy husband by Darken_Everseek · · Score: 1

      It's a shame moderators rarely look at anything past the 300th comment or so; that deserves 5+ Funny.

    6. Re:A supermodel's trophy husband by G-funk · · Score: 1

      I'd have to say that sounds about right, but bugger me i'd like to find out for myself :)

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  17. I have a dream job... by milgr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After being unemployed for several months, almost any job became my dream job.

    Being paid to work on Linux device drivers makes it even dreamier. Or at least geekier.

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  18. Slashdot? by FreemanPatrickHenry · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know, I would guess CowboyNeal has pretty close to the ubergeek paradise job. I mean, come on, he's got unlimited mod points for God's sake!

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    1. Re:Slashdot? by feyhunde · · Score: 1

      It sure does impress those chicks on /.

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  19. Dev by savagedome · · Score: 3, Funny

    Stress tester for Playboy website development team. 'nuff said

    1. Re:Dev by liquidsin · · Score: 1

      Playboy photographer ranks right up on my list. Maxim / Stuff / FHM photographer would run a real close second. But hey, if configuring load balancers for playboy.com is all the fun you need, that means less competition for *my* dream job.

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      do not read this line twice.
  20. My current job by nycsubway · · Score: 1

    I can say that my job is NOT a dream job...

  21. Sleeping by mschoyen · · Score: 2, Funny

    Currently my day is split into thirds: Working, Sleeping, and Other. If I could find a job that involved sleeping for 8 hours, man, I'd be set.

    1. Re:Sleeping by kgarcia · · Score: 1

      Serta Matress Comfortability Tester...

      or how about

      Sleep Research Lab Test Subject...

  22. How many here by onyxruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many here simply dream of a job? Wont be long until there are no more employed westerners outside of wally worlds, fast food and politicians. Can we outsource our politicians and ceo's to India too?

    1. Re:How many here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Why would Indians get our jobs if they're salary is higher? There will be jobs here, people will just have to adjust to lower pay. Simple supply and demand.

    2. Re:How many here by onyxruby · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, very insenstive of me. I just need to adjust to less than a $1 an hour here in the US. Hm, I just need to make sure I'm not lazy, at 168 hours each week I can afford food and a cardboard box on the street!

    3. Re:How many here by feyhunde · · Score: 1
      Some companies do outsource CEOs. This company still has American engineers, but an Indian CEO
      1. http://www.planar.com
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  23. CONGRATULATIONS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    You are the first whiny person posting about his unemployment. Please tell us we care so much.

    You could have gotten extra bonus points if you mentioned outsourcing to India.

  24. I just got my dream job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I work for IBM. A nice person from that company trained me how to do the job. He was nice but he seemed very sad. Anyway ,I now have a job and I can feed my family.

  25. make it so by polymorpheus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not just about "pursuing" that dream job, it's also as much, if not more, about creating that job. I've found it amazing to what latitude employer's will go when presented with unique job ideas. Most often one has to envision and then sell (to one's boss) that dream position before one can have it.

  26. obligatory Samir... by *weasel · · Score: 4, Funny

    "First, I would invest half of it in low risk mutual funds, and give the other half to my friend Asadulah who works in securities..."

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    // "Can't clowns and pirates just -try- to get along?"
  27. Re:Dream Job by verloren · · Score: 2, Funny

    "It would be for Depp Space One."

    Man, Lance Bass is going to be upset when he finds out Johnny beat him to it.

  28. Re:Dream Job by kensai · · Score: 1

    It would be for Depp Space One.

    I too vote for shooting Johnny Depp into space.

  29. Dream Job by cubicledrone · · Score: 1

    One with a paycheck and no layoffs until we figure out how to use the phone.

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    Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
  30. dream jobs and being subjective .. by psycho_tinman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Naysayer that I am, I think a "dream job" is impossibly subjective.

    Some people may be thought to have dream jobs because it pays well in general(professional sports stars). Some people because it is something you wish you were paid for (professional gamers or err.. movie critics, if you like). Some may have dream jobs because you wish you were doing that job (it's description, at any rate.. some people entertain fantasies about being a photographer for a magazine like Playboy :p). Some people may wish for cutting edge technology jobs.. Hey, when Marcelo Toscatti was interviewed, I remember a comment saying "he's 20 years old, kernel maintainer and married".. :)

    So what is it that we like about these jobs ? The fact that the grass always looks greener on someone else's pasture ? or the fact that we wish we were doing something else ? :)

    For me, the job I landed immediately after I graduated was my "dream job". Hey, I was paid to code. I loved writing code, I liked finding tricky solutions to problems, I just liked my job. The fact that they paid me (obscenely well by the standards of an undergraduate who had been paid nothing before for doing mostly the same thing) didn't even enter the equation. For about 6 months or so, I was one happy puppy. Churning out code, design specs..researching things I wanted to do, learning new stuff.

    Then the rest of my life kicked in. You figure out the 12 hour days are ok, but you didn't want to stay in office and miss the rest of your life pass you by. A progamer interview I saw recently (ShowTime, a War3 player) said he plays almost continuously for 15 hours a day. I may like gaming, but I couldn't take that continously for too long. Even people with dream jobs need to find a balance somewhere. If a dream job demands all your energy, your time.. leaves you with no energy for anything else.. then it won't be your dream job forever.

    A true dream job (definitely not something you can be paid for, so I wonder if you can call it a "job" anymore) would allow you balance. If you're earning a wage for it, then sooner or later, you will find yourself wishing for something else.

    My $0.02

    1. Re:dream jobs and being subjective .. by FreshFunk510 · · Score: 1

      You definitely have very good points and I agree.

      However, I think the thing we should all remember is that it's called a "dream job" not just a "dream". Meaning, it still is a job.

      That doesn't mean that it has to suck, you have to be doing boring things, that you have to hate it or that you have to work with assholes. But, what it does mean is that there is going to be an element of responsibility with it. Which responsibilities you choose is up to you but it will often require some sort of sacrifice which, if you accept, can still be your dream job.

      For instance, you may love coding but perhaps you don't want to spend 14 hours a day coding. Some peole actually do. Maybe you want to help people but it demands you be on call all hours a day. Sometimes the sacrifice is worth it. Maybe you want to work 5 hours a day.. that could work out but don't be surprised when other people start passing your up promotionally.

      I think the concept of "grass is greener" is definitely true but I think it's based on people being unrealistic with themselves. They have to realize that everything comes at some sort of opportunity cost and that the real people who are happy are those that have accepted their personal decision in life to go after what they want (whether it's large amounts of money, free time with the family, or hacking at cool, fun projects).

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    2. Re:dream jobs and being subjective .. by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      Some people may be thought to have dream jobs because it pays well in general(professional sports stars). Some people because it is something you wish you were paid for (professional gamers or err.. movie critics, if you like). Some may have dream jobs because you wish you were doing that job (it's description, at any rate.. some people entertain fantasies about being a photographer for a magazine like Playboy :p)

      Thing is, a lot of the 'dream jobs' have their down sides, whether it be stalkers, lack of privacy, huge costs employing lawyers/agents for every bastard trying to drag you through the courts.

      I personally couldn't live like Madonna or Tom Cruise (incidentally, I think both do what they do for the work, not the money).

    3. Re:dream jobs and being subjective .. by IANAAC · · Score: 1
      I have worked (and continue to work) in some form of systems administration since the early 80s. After college - and before the sys admin work started - I took a couple years off and moved to Mexico. There I taught English (something I wasn't trained in, but learned through the very same MX University where I taught - I guess being a native speaker was more important to them at the time).
      Anyway...

      I was steadily employed until 2001 when the dot com bubble burst. Then I was unemployed for about 6 months. During that time, an old employer, who didn't have a job for me per se, needed something translated and remembered that I spoke two languages. So I took him up on it and contracted out the portions I couldn't do (French and German). Don't ask me how, but translation work just kind of mushroomed from there. I was doing translation work pretty much full-time during the last four months of unemployment. Then I got a call from a direct employer for sys admin work, interviewed and got the job (I am still at that company). In my spare time, mostly on weekends, I still do translations. It's something I really enjoy doing and will probably never stop doing.

      My point, I guess, is that I accidentally discovered something that I liked that I probably would not have, had I not been unemployed. I think it's also made me realize that careers aren't set in stone, regardless of what you study. And if you find something you like later on in life you can always go back and study that too (I also went back to school and took translation and liguistics classes).

      I've also come to the realization that people aren't made to do just one thing in life.

    4. Re:dream jobs and being subjective .. by infochuck · · Score: 1

      Then the rest of my life kicked in. You figure out the 12 hour days are ok, but you didn't want to stay in office and miss the rest of your life pass you by. A progamer interview I saw recently (ShowTime, a War3 player) said he plays almost continuously for 15 hours a day. I may like gaming, but I couldn't take that continously for too long. Even people with dream jobs need to find a balance somewhere. If a dream job demands all your energy, your time.. leaves you with no energy for anything else.. then it won't be your dream job forever.

      Dream job: one that pays you well enough to live the life you want, and that you don't completely dred going to every day of your life.

  31. obligatory Lawrence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "two chicks at the same time"

    "two chicks at the same time... that's what you'd do if you had a million dollars?"

    "damn straight, always wanted to do that. i think if i had a million dollars i could hook that up."

    1. Re:obligatory Lawrence by jskiff · · Score: 1

      L: ...'cause chicks dig a guy with money.

      P: Not all chicks.

      L: Well, the kind of chicks that would double up on a dude like me.

      P: Good point.

      --
      It's "no one," not "noone." Who the hell is noone anyway?
  32. Article Index - 10 Jobs by funny-jack · · Score: 4, Informative

    The linked article is actually a story about 9 different people with 9 different jobs, each leading to a separate article.

    Actually, like the article says, they really do talk about 10 jobs. They just don't link to the last one in that summary page. Here's the index page:

    http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/contents/index.html

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    You probably shouldn't click this.
  33. Same line, but better by maroberts · · Score: 1

    Playboy photographer
    OR
    Hugh Hefner's "job".

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  34. Hue Heffner by DR+SoB · · Score: 1

    My idol. He has the dream job my friends. IT dream job? Setting up the Playboy mason's network. Number 2 : Any job in Amsterdam.

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    Mod +5 Drunk
  35. fallacy by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    how many times have you heard people say that they loved computers until they started working with them professionally?

    There is no dream job. The fact that it's a job takes all the enjoyment out of it.

  36. I have my dream job by track5200 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am the Systems Admin at, what our marketing dept. likes to call, a world class ski resort.

    In fact right now, after finishing a quick lunch, I am lacing up my snowboard boots and will be spending some quality time on the snow... and I get paid for this!!

  37. I am an American. by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

    For Americans life is work.

    Work is life.

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    Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
  38. Dream Job for Linux Sysadmin by Stinky+Cheese+Man · · Score: 5, Informative

    PNL is hiring a Senior System Administrator for the world's largest Linux cluster and 5th fastest supercomputer.

    1. Re:Dream Job for Linux Sysadmin by geomon · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's PN N L!

      Yes, I know it is pnl.gov. That domain was handed out before it was upgraded to an environmental laboratory. Looking forward to becoming a 'homeland security' laboratory soon (yeah).

      Great place to work, though.

      The supercomputer is housed in the Environmental Molecular Science Laboratory. The pay is good and the people are friendly.

      Did I mention that I work at the Lab?

      --
      "Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
    2. Re:Dream Job for Linux Sysadmin by Stinky+Cheese+Man · · Score: 1
      > That's PN N L!

      Sorry - thanks for the correction. I live nearby (Kennewick) and would love to work there myself. Unfortunately this one is probably over my head.

    3. Re:Dream Job for Linux Sysadmin by geomon · · Score: 1

      >Sorry - thanks for the correction.

      Eh! It happens ;)

      Of course I screwed up by placing the emphasis on 'environmental' instead of 'national'. All of the DOE labs grabbed a 'national' title to maintain funding. Anything having to do with national security is the next "must have" title.

      I think that the folks in IT would still take your resume. There are some real live Linux gurus here, but there are plenty more of us 'novices' who are happily plugging along with our favorite obscure little OS.

      --
      "Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
    4. Re:Dream Job for Linux Sysadmin by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Cool. Can you push my resume thru?

  39. I Love my job...and no my boss isn't watching by darkharlequin · · Score: 1

    I do qt coding on Linux for an air traffic systems simulator. It is all c++ and some shell-scripting: autoconf, bash, perl, etc. It fun, and I don't feel like I'd be gipped out of vacation because work is fun. When i worked at lockheed, I felt the same way. Other than being tired in the morning, I felt like jumping out of bed and racing to work, I couldnt wait to get there. I was doing more radar stuff back then. I guess I like coding.
    I understand the original poster's comments about anticipating the weekend, but for me, 8 hours of coding a day is fun, not much more, and definitely not less. I still anticipate the weekends and Geocaching, kayaking, fishing, working with my machine tools, etc, but I also have fun at work. I don't think that having fun at work lessens the fun I have at other tasks/passtimes. It is just another thing to do.

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    i am so very tired....
  40. I have _THE_ best job in the world! by GoMMiX · · Score: 5, Funny

    $345 a week and all I have to do is send out three resumes during that week.

    That Master's degree sure is serving me well now!

  41. An opposing point of view would say by devphil · · Score: 4, Insightful


    that if you find a job that you like, you'll never have to work a day in your life.

    Friend, if the best thing about your job is the time you spend away from it, you're in the wrong job.

    I'm not saying it should be the centerpiece of your life. (Indeed, my mother tells me that we are a nation that worships our work, works at our play, and plays at our worship. *grin*) I think I have my dream job, but I'm not going to pass up spending time with good friends to get in a few more hours just for fun. But if you dread your job to the point where the only enjoyment is looking to leave, you need to find new employment.

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    You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
  42. my dream job by Savatte · · Score: 1

    virginity tester

    "sorry boss, haven't found one yet today. I'll look harder"

    1. Re:My dream job by sperling · · Score: 1

      Hey that's my dream job you're describing!

      I've been contracting development projects for a number of years, then stumbled across an upstart game developer needing a network programmer. My wage's now 1/3rd of what it used to be, my hours are about doubled, but I'll never go back. The feeling of pushing limits in the area you're best at, in a community of people that are doing the same for their respective areas, nothing beats it.

      I don't see the need for a "life outside work" when I enjoy life the most while working.

      --
      The next great MMORPG.
    2. Re:My dream job by switcha · · Score: 1
      For the last 2 1/2 years the partner has been locked out of his office, but he still collects a salary of over $90,000 a year while he sits at home.

      Surely, with that kind of money, he could afford a locksmith.

      and yes, your name is Shirley...

      --
      You know what? ... A little club soda *did* get that out!
    3. Re:My dream job by fliptout · · Score: 1

      Is this a general partnership or an LLP?

      I suppose it is too late to put a lien on your assets and get out..

      --
      A witty saying proves you are wittier than the next guy.
  43. Testing industrial robots' collision detection by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 3, Interesting
    That was my job for about 6 months in 1998. Taking 12-foot-tall industrial robots that can lift 500lbs and smashing them into things. Almost no one has bigger toys than that, and they don't usually get to test them to destruction.

    It was kind of secret. Everyone walking by must have thought I was the worst robot programmer on Earth. But I still had that big grin on my face...

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    PHEM - party like it's 1997-2003!
    1. Re:Testing industrial robots' collision detection by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1

      You dolt,

      you were meant to be testing them to dis-traction. That's why they got rid of you after six months. I had to take over and believe me it took a long time to get the line workers to go any where near the machines.

    2. Re:Testing industrial robots' collision detection by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      I don't know what it's called in the USA, but we have something in the UK called Robot Wars.

      I kinda reckon the guys building the house robots have a darn good job. Watching them mash up the amateur creations must be big fun.

  44. Be born rich by tttonyyy · · Score: 1

    In stark contrast to my real life, I'd love to be born rich and live off the interest. The hardest part of life would be deciding what to invest in for the best return. Mmm.... I could buy gadgets whenever I felt like it, work on projects whenever I wanted (with no deadline pressure). I'd still be a geek, don't get me wrong - I'd just have more stuff. :)

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    biopowered.co.uk - catalytically cracking triglycerides for home automotive use since 2008. Just say no to big oil!
    1. Re:Be born rich by lambent · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah, but you'd lose your revolutionary status. You'd still be a geek, yes, but you'd be a bourgeois geek: one of the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

  45. Re:Dream Job by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I worked doing mission ops for the SOHO spacecraft for four years. It's a cool place to be -- cutting edge stuff, you're beaming commands daily to a spacecraft a million miles away, yadda yadda. But you rapidly learn that "glamour" is something you can only see from far away. When you're actually doing the stuff, it's just another high stress job in a room with no windows, and debugging and fixing the spacecraft is just what you do every day. I used to have to force myself to look at the big picture and realize what an amazing place I was in.

    Now I'm doing pure research and some teaching, in Boulder, CO. This turns out to be closer to my dream job -- more flexible hours and lots of self-directed variety to the tasks. It's certainly not for everyone -- I basically sit around staring at equations, or images, or image-processing software, most of the time -- but every once in a while I get to figure out something nobody's ever known before, and that keeps me going the rest of the year.

    Of course, the problem with a self-directed job is that you're always with your boss... :-)

  46. Grass always looks greener... by nilspace · · Score: 1

    Dreams jobs *sound* great, but they are typically always glamorous from the outside. When I look down that list of IEEE dream jobs I think "The Hawaiian Elec guy has to sit inside, in Hawaii, all the time". "Gage, Science chief of Sun, has to spend countless hours on planes, never gets to rest or spend time at the same place" etc. Jobs like these sound great, because you only here the good things. You don't hear the beauracracy, duldrum, tedium of much of the job as well. I would say I have my dream job, or close enough. I develop and integrate virtual reality simulations for vehicles (like cars, etc.) I get to buy and play with the newest and greatest of commercial hardware (we just got in 6 Radeon 9800XT's), I have lunch every day with the President who I can also call my friend. All this and I am still just out of school. But I still have to write documentation, commute to work, have stupid meetings with clients, and deal with other mundane tasks. So, I enjoy my job, but also realize that a job can be whatever you make of it.

  47. Here's a serious answer by edremy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll hype my position: Instructional technologist

    Yeah, the pay's not great, but here at least are a few of the perks, at least at my school.

    • Lots and lots of different things to do. I've worked with everyone from physicists to ancient Greek profs.
    • Imagination counts. Try to figure out new ways to teach old concepts.
    • Your choice of tools. Learn whatever you want if you can justify it. Just today I've done work with PHP/MySQL, Flash Actionscript, Photoshop and Final Cut Pro.
    • Fun toys for the asking. Already told my boss I'm getting a dual-G5 and a top of the line PC desktop soon. She knows I'll actually use them.
    • A technically clued boss who will support my decisions if I can justify them. (No, we're not going to pay for Blackboard/WebCT when I can install an Open Source CMS.)
    • Very few night/weekends needed, not on call.
    • Very flexible vacation/timeoff policies.

    It's not perfect by any means. Pay and benefits lag industry, there's some scut work, and I'd really like to get back to teaching students instead of faculty, but it's got some pretty nice bennies.

    --
    "Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
  48. I had that job too for a while by darkharlequin · · Score: 1

    Until the benefits ran out

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    i am so very tired....
    1. Re:I had that job too for a while by Shut+the+fuck+up! · · Score: 3, Funny

      Until the benefits ran out

      Hehe, you got layed off from being unemployed.

  49. Compensation by Kengineer · · Score: 1

    I don't care what kind of job I have.

    I care about what kind of compensation I get!

    Being underemployed sucks. But being undercompensated sucks much worse! If someone were to offer me a job shovelling horse dung 50 hours a week for $120k, you'd better believe I'd jump on it.

    Computers are great and all, but at the end of the day I have bills to pay. I think a lot of people have this false idea that "oh well I'll get a job with computers, I like those, so I will be working but it won't feel like work!" Maybe that trick works for some people, but not most. At the end of the day, work is work. If you can trick yourself into enjoying it, that's just super for you. All the rest of us can hope for is decent compensation for our sacrafices.

    1. Re:Compensation by Cytotoxic · · Score: 1
      I don't care what kind of job I have. I care about what kind of compensation I get!
      And that is why you'll never get your dream job. Most of us who've been around the tech industry for a while have seen dozens of people who went into IT because they thought there was a lot of money to be made. And almost without exception they were terrible and didn't last long (despite perhaps making a lot of money for a while). Maybe you should be in sales. That sounds like your dream job....
      Do what you love. That's the only road to longterm success.
  50. My dream job? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

    Test subject in a sleep study laboratory.

    But, people keep telling me I take things too literally.

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    You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
    1. Re:My dream job? by DR+SoB · · Score: 1

      Yeah except normally those studies are on sleep deprevation. See how long we can keep him up, then see what it's like when he sleeps. That's definitely a "grass is greener" scenerio! If you want a job you can sleep all the time, you should apply as an airline pilot! :O

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      Mod +5 Drunk
  51. Per Norm McDonald by Spanky+Lovesalot · · Score: 2, Funny

    Worst job:
    "Assistant crack whore"

  52. uh...ok by DirtyJ · · Score: 5, Funny
    Q: Why do you keep hitting your head with that hammer?

    A: Because it feels so good when I stop!

    1. Re:uh...ok by PIBM · · Score: 1

      If only I had mod points =)

    2. Re:uh...ok by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Q: Why do you keep hitting your head with that hammer? A: Because it feels so good when I stop!

      Circus Clown Answer: "Because I lose ratings and die broke if I stop".

    3. Re:uh...ok by Evil+Pete · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. This isn't +5 Funny, this should be +5 Insightful when describing the relationship between some jobs and vacations.

      --
      Bitter and proud of it.
  53. It's called a "john"... by glpierce · · Score: 1

    ...and I don't think it qualifies as a 'job' if you have to pay the other parties to let you do it.

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    1. Re:It's called a "john"... by MoFoQ · · Score: 1

      unless u'r a gigolo

  54. Whoa, too nice? by Faust7 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Once you get through to them, engineers are too nice to hang up," says Fruehling.

    Do you really want us to supply counterexamples? :)

  55. A Short List of Dream Jobs: by VoidEngineer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    - International Courier - Movie Producer - Astronaut - Virtual Reality Engineer - Rock Star - Vertebral Paleontologist - Chaostician - Professional Skydiver / SCUBA Diver - SWAT Team Member - Pyrotechnician - Demolition Expert - Entrepreneur - Emergency Room Doctor - Supreme Court Judge - Shaman / Rainmaker - Ranch Hand / Wrangler / Cowboy - CIA Agent - Striper - Detective / Private Investigator - Security Systems Auditor / Hacker - Catburgler - Magician / Illusionist - Black Hat etc. etc.

    1. Re:A Short List of Dream Jobs: by jafuser · · Score: 2, Funny

      Striper

      Is that the people who put the lines on the roads? =P

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  56. AI experiments by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Aside from bed comfort tester, I would like to experiment with artificial intelligence. Just play with it without having to write progress reports or chase current fads just because the CEO saw an article in an airline magazine, etc.

    Of course I would not want to do it 8 hours strait. I would like to take breaks and troll around on slashdot for a little while to refresh myself.

    Aside from just liking to play with AI, it has one other benefit: I might be able to automate away the job of the bastard in another country who took my IT job. I could then say, "see how it feels!". And then replace Carly at HP with a robot, and say to her, "There is no God-given right to not be replaced by a robot" (a twist on her labor speech), and then make a sinister evil-scientist kind of cackle as I walk out.

  57. In my homage to Weekend Update on SNL... by Vermy · · Score: 1

    Unfortuantely, I do not believe this list is complete and is missing a few job titles. Most importantly, missing from the worst list, is the job title of Crack Whore.

    This position would only be followed by the worst job... Assistant Crack Whore.

    Thank you, I'm here all night. Jane, you miserable slut.

  58. Heh, I can beat that! by sideshow · · Score: 2, Funny

    $370 a week and all I have to do is check a box that says "Did you look for work?".

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    Hollow words will burn and hollow men will burn.

  59. Why did you post this?! by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1

    Now I must kill everyone on the list. As if I didn't have enough damn chores to do this weekend.

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    --- Ban humanity.
    1. Re:Why did you post this?! by hopemafia · · Score: 1

      Outsource it! I bet you can get some Indian or Chinese hit men really cheap.

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      If God had had a computer it would have taken him 7 months to create the earth...if he even bothered to do it at all.
  60. In Soviet Germany by Gothmolly · · Score: 2, Funny

    The budget deficit and unemployment due to an unsustainable socialist economy find YOU!

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    1. Re:In Soviet Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Good thing the US doesn't have a budget deficit!

    2. Re:In Soviet Germany by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Good thing the US doesn't count the unemployed after a short specific time period. It makes us look good. In the end, looking good, and not unemployment, is what matters.

  61. They missed one: by humungusfungus · · Score: 1, Funny

    Tech guru at the Playboy mansion.

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    1. Re:They missed one: by Cytotoxic · · Score: 1
      Tech guru at the Playboy mansion.
      Riiiiight.... those playmates are truly tired of all those rock stars and professional athletes at the mansion. They'll be blown away to hear about your new linux PDA and your Star Wars Lego collection.
  62. I think I have one... by way2slo · · Score: 1
    Well, I personally never dreamt of this job, but it is pretty cool. It involves system integration, application integration, scripting, coding, international travel, flexable hours, and good pay. I use Windows, Sun, HP, IBM, SGI, and others except for Apple. They always balk at the Apple when I suggest integrating it into a system architecture. I'll get an OSX server in some day. :) Anyway, the cool parts are that I get to integrate all the latest technology and play with bleeding edge stuff. Of course, with all things there is balance so naturally there are some times that I must integrate legacy HW/SW too. Sometimes the job is really challenging and requires a lot of creativity...and long hours.

    But the stuff that is really cool about my job......
    ...I'm not at liberty to discuss. :)

  63. That just wrong... by LilMikey · · Score: 2, Funny

    You're not supposed to like work... that's why it's called 'work'.

    Besides, if everyone liked what they do, there would be noone posting on Slashdot.

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  64. Ultimate job: House husband... by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...to a rich and sexy and loving wife.

    Rich, loving, sexy wife: Honey, I'm home. I made another million dollars today. And I stopped at Fredrick's Of Hollywood today, but that's a suprise.

    Lucky husband: Great. Oh, the 25" mirror for my new telescope arrived today along with the racks of G5 XServes. I'll mount the mirror out in the Large Array tomorrow morning.

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    --- Ban humanity.
    1. Re:Ultimate job: House husband... by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

      Keep dreaming.

    2. Re:Ultimate job: House husband... by hawkfish · · Score: 1
      I made another million dollars today. And I stopped at Fredrick's Of Hollywood
      Too bad she doesn't have better taste...
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    3. Re:Ultimate job: House husband... by jred · · Score: 1

      So where would you go? My girlfriend has much more class than I do, and I could use any help I get :)

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      jred
      I'm not a mechanic but I play one in my garage...
  65. Vacation by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

    Vacation is the distance between jobs.

    Location Based WiFi

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  66. My dream job by Anita+Coney · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm involved with a lawsuit where a partnership is attempting to kick out one of its partners. For the last 2 1/2 years the partner has been locked out of his office, but he still collects a salary of over $90,000 a year while he sits at home. Sure it's a drop from his normal $250,000 salary, but I could certainly live on it!

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    If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
  67. Mexican Mafia by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
    I'm in SoCal. I contact all that stuff out to illegal aliens. Harder to trace, but I still have to set up the hits, translate them into Spanish, etc. Thank goodness for AltaVista Translate.

    Mate a los bastardos!

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    --- Ban humanity.
  68. Hmm... by El · · Score: 1

    Lau Kofoed Kierstein may be sitting on the floor with a few six-year-old boys, playing with action figures. That sounds more like Michael Jackson's dream job!

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    "Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney

  69. Ummm kids... by MoeMoe · · Score: 1

    Lau Kofoed Kierstein may be sitting on the floor with a few six-year-old boys, playing with action figures.

    Ummm, I think that job is already taken by Michael Jackson...

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    A scam in which all people involved perceive as beneficial...
  70. Out sourcing managing expert by Iowaguy · · Score: 1

    This appears to be the only stable job as the US decides to ecconomically hermorage itself into the third world. In this job, you would facilitate large coorporations to move employment over seas. Of course, someday you would lose your job once there is nothing left to outsource, but, hey, atleast you would be last.

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    "He who laughs last, didn't get the joke."-Cap
  71. Slashdot dup checker by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    You are never punished if you fuck up

  72. I dont understand this by paradesign · · Score: 1
    Why, if your plunking down the cash for a "4 year" would you go into something that dosent interest you, that you have no passion for? I couldnt sit and look at spreadsheets all day, so i chose not to go into finance. I dont like dealing with the public, so i didnt go into a service related job. I dont enjoy math enough to become an engineer, so i didnt. I chose to persue a profession in product design, because it incorporates all of the things that i enjoy, problem solving, creating things, drawing and various other applied disciplins. Are there crappy design jobs, sure, but ive geared my education to avoid them. Only you are the master of your destiny.

    Do i have to draw at my job? Yes. Do i draw at school? Yes. Do i still draw for personal enjoyment? All the time.

    Choose something that you enjoy doing and persue it as a career, BUT, know the pitfalls and how to avoid them, and you can still have it as a hobby.

    I just dont understand how you could do something you hate for the rest of your life, and be content with it.

    Maybe its naive of me to say all of this, but it enfuriates me when people complain about their career choice.

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    I want 2D games back.
  73. Obligatory Simpson's Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Smithers: Uh, hello. You got a Help Wanted sign in the window?

    Moe: Yeah, I need someone to help me with the midnight beer delivery. Your job is to distract Barney until it's safely off the truck.

    Smithers: I'll just wait out back until then.

    Barney: I look forward to working with you!

  74. One Word by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

    Manwhore.

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    "When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back!" -- Cave Johnson
  75. Dream Job: Wild On E co-host. (aka Art Mann) by Genjurosan · · Score: 1

    If you've ever seen the show, then you know what I'm talking about.

  76. My dream job by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 1

    To be able to work semi-full time on an open source system and not worry about how I'm going to buy the groceries this week. To have a bunch of people (also paid) to help.. and incredibly generous clients who often need to fly me out to their Bermudan data center for a couple of weeks to do a bit of on-site work.

    Jeez, almost sounds like a job at MySQL AB.

    Actually, working at almost any technology company in the early 80's would also be up there. Tight deadlines, pushing the boundaries of technology, community atmosphere, modest salaries, and lots of pizza fuelled coding binges. Perhaps the early days of Apple.

    Yes, I'm a geek.

  77. Do what makes tou happy by Rupert · · Score: 1

    Then your job becomes finding someone else to pay you for doing it.

    Since there weren't any openings for professional beer drinkers (I'm not good enough at darts) I became a programmer instead. 18 years later I'm a programmer with a much more impressive job title!

    --

    --
    E_NOSIG
  78. Re:Mod Parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    mod parent down for saying 'mod parent up'. Holy shit, how often does someone have to tell you this ... if you find it funny, chances are 500 other people do, too.

    Next time I get mod points, I'm going looking for mod-kibbitzers like you.

  79. Dream Job by mewyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I recently saw my dream job (well, at least for this point in my career) and applied to it.

    It is a PC/Mac/Unix admin job at Pixar. Too bad I'm sure my resume got lost in the noise. I think it would be so awesome to work there.

    Mewyn Dy'ner

  80. Give something back by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1

    I'd try and do something to break the tech poverty link, like create a training centre in my town. Initially, I'd fund it and start it up and then get either corporate or govt. sponsorship to keep it going (pref. the former as they wouldn't interfere as much!).

  81. Maybe you should RTF parent post again... by sean.peters · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... since he referred to "a less enlightened country" as one that makes you work more than Germany, presumably the two of you are in violent agreement.

    Sean

  82. perspective by jafac · · Score: 1

    Whether you have a "dream job", whether you love what you do, or whether your job is fun, is really all a matter of perspective.

    Sure - there are environments and bosses that make it very difficult to enjoy - but job enjoyment is really all about attitude. A simple, lowly factory worker can really love his or her job, if they buy into the company propaganda line, or the nationalist pride angle, that they're a small part of the machine that dominates. Part of it is brainwashing, and part of it is just having a positive outlook.

    I like making lots of money. I very much like not having to worry as much about meeting financial obligations, or providing for my kids. But more than that, I really, really enjoy doing good work, and solving problems.

    --

    These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
  83. The obvious answer... by djeaux · · Score: 3, Interesting
    ...which I didn't pay any attention to when I was younger, is "do something you absolutely love to do."

    I worried too much about money (and to a secondary extent, the "prestige" of the job) with predictable results. Now, I make a good salary, I have a fancy title & I have days that are merely a tick on the calendar en route to my pension.

    Of course, if you happen to absolutely love doing something lucrative (and legal), more power to you!

    --
    "Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray" (Bob Dylan)
    1. Re:The obvious answer... by frostman · · Score: 1

      i saw this on a slashdotter's sig, but i can't remember which one:

      " Enjoy your job, make lots of money, work within the law. Choose any two. "

      --

      This Like That - fun with words!

  84. I'm happy enough by autechre · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't say that either of my jobs is a "dream", but I could certainly do much worse, and have.

    Half of my job for UMBC is regular ol' sysadmin. The Physical Plant wanted a bit more support than the on-campus IT staff could give them. My users tend to run more interesting software than in a typical office (which probably means a lot of them will be using Windows for quite some time, but I'm learning to manage.) I like being a sysadmin, though, so this is just the "less cool" part, not bad.

    The other part is more interesting. We're collecting a lot of geospatial data about the university and building a really accurate map (the goal is an error margin of a few inches). I get to learn about a whole new field (GIS), and now I have an excuse to learn LISP because we're trying to integrate AutoCAD and PostgreSQL.

    My other job, freshmeat.net, is pretty cool. Some of you may be familiar with the site :) I work via a standard browser from anywhere, and have co-workers in other countries.

    In both cases, I feel like I'm contributing to a good cause (education and OSS/*nix). University jobs aren't without their own set of...challenges, and freshmeat makes tax time less fun (self-employment taxes are annoying), but I'd rather be here than helping someone write reports about MegaWidget3000.

    Besides, I know it could be worse. I've done janitorial type stuff (not for long at all, but that was enough), fast food, and T-shirt printing (which might not sound bad unless you realize that the ink is heat-dried, making it hotter inside than outside even in the summer, and people were getting robbed at gunpoint across the street.).

    I read the comments on the "bad jobs" article a short while ago, and I'm glad I managed to dodge a lot of those. Am I happier when I'm at home playing music or doing martial arts? Of course. I have things in perspective; I'm reading financial books and trying to figure out ways to retire early (or maybe just become a nomad). But it could be a lot worse.

    --
    WMBC freeform/independent online radio.
  85. I misheard you... by Thud457 · · Score: 1
    "You are never punished if you fuck up."

    Sorry, I thought you said "NASA middle manager".

    --

    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  86. My stream of thought on this... by gosand · · Score: 1
    don't want a dream job... Dream jobs eliminate the one good thing about life. Vacation. Whether that be on the weekends, your random days off in the middle of the week, or the two weeks you spend lounging in Jamaica. They don't call work "work" for nothing. If it was fun they would call it Vacation. Work gives me something to look forward to when I don't have to do it. It shouldn't be an escape from your family, it shouldn't be fun, and it certainly be something you overly enjoy...

    Ahh, a topic that truly makes me feel like a pendulum....

    I go back and forth on this issue all the time. I am not my job. But what if everyone was like that? We wouldn't get very far. I like what I do, but what I do is not me. But what if I did do something that I absolutely loved? Would it lose its magic because it was then my job? At what point does work become no fun anymore? My wife is a teacher. She loves it and hates it at the same time. She obviously isn't doing it for the money. But she gets rewards at her job that I will never ever get at mine. She has touched kids lives, and when it happens I am a little jealous. She has actually made a difference because she truly cares about teaching. Teachers are always teachers.

    What if cops weren't their jobs? What about doctors? Hey man, you have to lie there and bleed because I am off today. Not make sense? What if Linus wasn't the embodiment of the Linux kernel? What if he didn't make his love his work? What about Van Gogh, or Mozart? They were their art. Of course, there is no guarantee that if you live your job you will love it, but can you really love it without living it?

    People always complain about the crappy service they get from the wait staff at restaurants. How do you expect people to love their job if you make it miserable for them? What about chefs? They work a LOT, they live their jobs. They are always a chef. That is how they get to be that good. Same with professional athletes, they have to always be doing their job, or at least considering it.

    Man, I really waver on this one. What if I loved my job? Would I need to long for the weekends like I do now? How much time do you spend wishing you were somewhere else while at work? What if you loved every minute of it? I still feel that I am not my job, but I kind of secretly wish that I was. Because that would mean that I was doing what I loved, and maybe I wouldn't be looking for a "way out". I still think that you have to be something outside of your work to be healthy. But part of me wants to take the classic approach of "do everything to the best of your ability". The elusive pursuit of perfection.

    In the end I think it has to be about balance. Balance your work and non-work time, whether you are your job or not. You have to have balance in everything to make the universe happy.

    --

    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  87. Is recursive outsourcing fun? by Tablizer · · Score: 1, Interesting

    http://www.internalmemos.com/memos/memodetails.php ?memo_id=2095

    As previously communicated in the State of the Firm letter, the Company has chosen to reassess and restructure its internal IT development capabilities ... and has decided to outsource these service offerings.

    Carlos was asked to provide the direction and a plan to make this happen. His strategy and action plan will save the Company significant dollars on an annual basis.

    His plan included his departure as CIO, as the position would no longer be required to manage the reduced IT budget and staff. Recognizing this outcome, it took great courage, commitment and dedication on his part to support the Company in this, his last assignment.

    Carlos' decision to leave the Company on January 31, 2004 was on very amicable terms and we are pleased he will remain available to us for consultation in the near term.
    We appreciate and recognize Carlos' many valuable contributions over the years...especially his...visionary plans that regrettably include the elimination of his own job as CIO. We wish Carlos well in his new endeavors.

  88. my list of dream jobs... by kemster · · Score: 1
    in no particular order, my personal dream jobs:
    • That guy who paints Sports Illustrated swimsuit models to make them look like they have bathing suits on.
    • Whatever job title Hugh Hefner currently has
    • Rock star (note that this does not include anything close to ever being in a "Boy Band")
    • Professional athlete
    • Being born royalty.. Princes and Kings probably get mad chicas
    • Action film star.
  89. Re:Do what makes YOU happy by Rupert · · Score: 1

    Or THOU.

    Not TOU.

    That would be stupid.

    --

    --
    E_NOSIG
  90. another graduate by Savatte · · Score: 1

    ah, another graduate of Bob Flanagan University

  91. loncapa.org - offtopic but cool gpl'd bb replaceme by sangfroid · · Score: 1

    Anybody looking for an excellent, GPL'd replacement for Blackboard/WebCT should check out LON-CAPA. Excellent system with a networked content-sharing model that is very exciting.

  92. Re:Dream Job by Hangtime · · Score: 1

    Having had a similar experience I can relate to yours. I worked for Walt Disney World as intern (I was in IT, not working the parks) and had a lot of the same thoughts. I was supporting the Sales and Marketing staff so it was no different then working in any other office building (except for the enormous amount of Disney stuff everywhere but that is here nor there). However, when I wanted to go see the big picture it was easy. I drove to the parks (Epcot at night was a fave) and got to see exactly what it was all about. I have never had a better job because unlike most businesses you get to see the tangible benefit of your work and say 'Hey I was a part of making that kids smiling face happen.' The ultimate in job satisfaction.

  93. Festival Seating by Ranger · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Let me tell you about my dream job:

    Just when I thought things couldn't possibly get worse at my place of work, they do. We are no longer going to have assigned seats. We'll have a new cubicle to sit in everyday. They have chosen to call it 'festival seating'. I call it crap. I did ask my manager does that mean I might be going to a new floor everyday looking for a place to sit? She said no. And then I asked does that mean if I go to lunch my spot won't be occupied? She also said no to that one as well.

    Now this insult is in addition to the staggered schedules, the required overtime (since Thanksgiving of 2003 and thru March of 2004), and the required sales goals (it doesn't matter how good a tech you are. no sales. no job. nor does it matter that your original job description did not require sales). I forgot to mention we talk to angry, pissed-off customers whose problems we can't fix. This is after they had been on hold a minimum of ten minutes. My favorites are the ones who've been on hold for twenty minutes and transferred to the wrong department. Mine.

    For example: Customer says "I can't place or receive any calls." Do you say A) "I"m sorry you've been transferred to the wrong department. They should have transferred you to a trouble specialist. I do data support. and then transfer them after arguing with them for several more minutes. Or do you say B) I'm sorry you can't place or receive any calls. Let me check a few things for you (while you twiddle your thumbs for a few seconds.). and say Hmm... well everything looks good here. OK power cycle the phone. Try placing a call. Hmmm.. still no go? It looks like I need to escalate this call to one of my trouble specialists. They have access to more tools than I do and can check into this more thoroughly to fix this problem. Let me transfer you. but before I do would you like to add X service to your plan."

    As one of my co-workers put it "There is no bottom to this place." Theoretically the outsourced call center employees could unionize, but cell phone carrier would just pull their contract. We were ostensibly told that we are simply not making the most efficient use of computers and space. The real reason is that my company is expanding and they are cheap bastards who don't want to rent more floors in our building because they plan on expanding to other facilities later.

    Whenever I hear the word festival I am reminded of the Star Trek episode "Return of the Archons" with everyone yelling 'Festival! Festival!" and "Are you of the body?"

    The floggings will continue until moral improves!
    --
    "You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
  94. My dream job by guacamolefoo · · Score: 1

    To be a self-employed criminal defense attorney with some civil litigation work...hey...wait a minute... That's my job!
    w00t!

    GF.

  95. DREAM JOB OFFER! by Ingolfke · · Score: 1, Funny

    The two key elements of any dream job are comradery and a physically active work day. Most people suffer through horrible jobs in overly air conditioned cubicle farms surrounded by people the don't know or only know enough to know that they despise them. These poor saps are constantly being bombarded by commands from managers who aimlessly trying to keep a sinking ship from catching fire. Now, imagine a job where everyone worked together, in unison, for a single purpose. A job where management was clear in their direction and purpose. A job which allowed you to move about and be physically active. You'll feel as if you accomplished something at the end of the day, even if the task seemed like moving a mountain, because you and your teammates were doing it together. You'll save money and time on trips to the gym because you'll be active each and every day. If this sounds like a job for you, and you have the will to succeed, please call.

    Stan Dardevil
    Alaskan Salt Mines, Inc.
    555-NOW-TOIL

  96. Imagine all the people... living life in peace.... by Bryan+Gividen · · Score: 1

    -Lennon

  97. But, I think we can all agree... by sleepingsquirrel · · Score: 1

    Subjective? I think we can all agree that the best job is Cheif Hammock Tester, in charge of long-term reliability studies. With an emphasis on finding out how those hammocks handle the Costa Rica beach environment.

  98. I had a dream job- by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I worked in a morgue. It was a wonderful job

    Think about it for a moment. The co-workers were (dead) quiet, I could play all the loud music I wanted and none of my co-workers ever complained.

    I could read on the job, sleep on the job (overnight stay was part of the job) and no one cared.

    Granted, it was a little cool at the place, but Management realized it was a dead-end job, so they allowed you free reign. We ordered pizzas, had friends over, watched movies, even got paid pretty well!

    Only problem with the job was, as I said earlier, it was pretty much dead-end, though if I died on the job, they had full benefits.

    --
    So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
    1. Re:I had a dream job- by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      yeah... but you can't have sex with your co-workers... sicko.

      --
      Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
    2. Re:I had a dream job- by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A friend of mine had the same job back in the early 90s...

      He quit after walking in on a [living]coworker and a [deceased]client.

      He drank for about 3 weeks straight then told us all that we were never to speak of that job in his presence.

      --
      I'd rather you do it wrong, than for me to have to do it at all.
  99. Depends on your definition of dream job by Duck+of+Death · · Score: 1

    No, they don't call it "work" for nothing, but if you're going to be somewhere 8 hours a day, 5 days a week minimum, you might as well find something to do that you find interesting and enjoyable. Nobody said we're only talking about jobs you'll like more than vacation, family and sex.

    My job isn't cool, hip or sexy, but it's my dream job. Why? Because it pays well and comes with excellent benefits. It's 10 minutes from my house. I like the people I work with. Most of my work is the kind of stuff I do best. My projects are of short duration so I have a feeling of accomplishment almost every day. Stress levels aren't high, I can telecommute if I need to (did this morning in fact), I get 4 weeks of vacation, and best of all, I work a 37.5 hour week and when I go home, I don't think about work until I get up the next morning.

    Why wouldn't I love this job? I'm not working on the Mars rover and living on Mars time, but my situation is better than almost anyone I know.

    --
    "Can I finish? Can I finish? ... Okay, I'm finished."
  100. I made my own dream job by guacamolefoo · · Score: 1

    "It is not doing the thing that we like to do, but liking the thing that we have to do, that makes life blessed." -Goethe (but it appeared on /. this morning so it is relevant).

    I like the things I have to do -- criminal and civil litigation. I like it enough to enjoy doing it as much as I need to in order to keep my bills paid. I think that I'd do it even if I got paid $10.00/hour instead of $125/hr. (with maybe 20 billables a week, which is extremely low in my business -- I'm basically part-time). Basically, after expenses, I make about $70,000/yr.

    I think that given a choice between more time at home and more time at work, I would actually work more. I like helping people with their problems, and I get home at night (most of the time, unless I have a trial) at 6. My commute is 15 minutes. I rarely work on weekends, except to do billing and accounting and taxes.

    I think the issue with work is less how much people work or how much they'e paid than it is people finding work environments that they will be happy with. I hated my last job, so I quit and I opened my own firm. Hours worked were never a consideration -- primarly I wanted discretion to do things my way and to do what I wanted to do. Not having a pointy-haired boss is huge.

    For me, I think the dream job is ultimately about being able to decide what you want to do and being able to do it your own way, no matter the field. It doesn't matter whether you're pounding out code, building circuits, or filing legal memoranda. Freedom is, IMHO, the necessary ingredient in any job that makes it enjoyable.

    A significant element in me figuring things out for my life was dealing with my finances. I have some student debt left and a small mortgage (less than most new cars). That was huge in getting me off of the corporate treadmill o'debt. There's nothing like creditors chasing you to keep you under yoke and on the treadmill. Living like a church mouse and grinding the debt was a big part of what I had to do in order to be able to open my own office. I basically bought my freedom, and it feels good.

    GF.

  101. Adjectives by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

    talks about the dream ('coolest, baddest, hippest, grooviest') jobs,

    Evey hipster knows the new word is "deck".

    C'mon, get with the program. ;-)

    www.hipsterhandbook.com

    --
    https://www.accountkiller.com/removal-requested
  102. My Dream Job... by DataCannibal · · Score: 1

    ....is cleaning the lobsters out of Jayne Mansfield's arse. I don't know what Derek (or was it Clive) was complaining about

    --
    No but, yeah but, no but...
  103. If there's fluffers, I wanna be a professional by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 1

    Fluffee.

    --
    This is not my sandwich.
  104. Dream Job by IceFox · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Maybe working at Apple or Microsoft of Red Hat would be your dream job. Or maybe it would be building model trains or some other nitch thing. A number of my freinds and I talked about it last week. At the end we concluded that the company culture mattered 1000% more then the actual work. If the company is a fun place to work, feels rewarding, you arn't frustrated every other day, you arn't over managed, you arn't required to stamp in between 8:28 and 8:32 ever day, that is a dream job. When looking for a job the company culture should matter a lot more then it might currently to you. Maybe during lunch they have an old NES system set up in the lunch room and even the managers come over and play. Letting you buy books that can be marked as work related, helping you get a better degree. These are good companies. Working with people that have too big egos, try to over control everything makes the days horible even if you job is to read slashdot for neat ideas.

    -Benjamin Meyer

    --
    Do you changes clothes while making the "chee-chee-cha-cha-choh" transformation sound?
  105. My Professor's Advice by Tiro · · Score: 1

    Well my professor has his dream job, but it wasn't what he dreamed about as a child. He's an academic, but not one of your ivory-tower types, he treks around lawless parts of Africa interviewing warlords. Read all about what he told me about finding your dream job. Names removed for his privacy and mine, but you can figure out who he is if you really care and poke around the net a bit.

  106. I'd vote for this guy/gal for Prez by Travoltus · · Score: 1

    "Working 50 and 60 hour weeks with no vacation is very 1890s. Slaving away like a serf for a king is very 1300s."

    I'm putting that in my .sig for another website I'm subscribed to :)

    --
    --- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
  107. John Kerry beat you to it by kurtinatlanta · · Score: 1

    ...only he's running for President in his spare time.

    Lucky husband: Great. Oh, I mortgaged my "half" of the house so I can run for President, so I'll be in and out over the next few months.

  108. We're using Claroline by edremy · · Score: 1
    We're using Claroline here. It's been doing fairly well, although there are some features I'd like it doesn't have yet. (I've already added 2 since it's just a set of PHP scripts- it ain't hard.)

    Another possibility is Stanford's CourseWork

    WebCT and Blackboard should be very, very scared

    --
    "Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
  109. Re:Dream job by Rick+and+Roll · · Score: 1

    This shouldn't be a troll, this is a valid and witty opinion. Damn slashdot mods looking out for themselves by always marking down Anonymous Cowards as -1.

  110. from the story... by switcha · · Score: 1
    Lau Kofoed Kierstein's first big project for Lego was the Galidor Kek Powerizer, which responded to cues broadcast by a children's television show.

    Why the hell not? Most kids programming is made only to sell toys. About time some toys were made to sell programming...or to just play with, but I'm realistic.

    --
    You know what? ... A little club soda *did* get that out!
  111. Your life should be your job by yintercept · · Score: 1

    Personally, I suspect that in a few hundred years, people will look at wage labor with the same horror that we currently look on slavery. Personally, I think the center of the economic world is people pursuing their own values. The free market gives people that chance.

    The wage labor market, however, traps the majority of the population into these absolutely horrid 9-5 jobs. To break the tension, we become highly destructive during our vacations and our personal consumption.

    Hopefully, some day in the future we will break form the prison of big business and get back to a free market centered on people.

  112. pr0n Star by crataegus · · Score: 1

    I can't believe that out of all of these geeks, no one has listed pr0n--scuse me, adult entertainer--as their dream job.

    --
    DISCLAIMER: Use of this advanced computing technology does not imply an endorsement of Western industrial civilization.
  113. Re:Dream Job by tetsuji · · Score: 1

    I work for the university in Boulder as a research associate as well - and I have to agree that it is pretty close to dream status. Great environment, I can take a couple of classes a year for free during work hours, decent pay, and 22 days of vacation + federal holidays!

  114. um, yes, your job should be your life by dh003i · · Score: 1
    Well, not really. But your job is what you do 8 hours every day, so it should be something that you really enjoy and are enthusiastic about. It should be something where your excited to get up and go to "work" (I'm sick of these anarcho-socialist nut-cases babbling about how "unfair" work is -- grow the fuck up).

    My personal dream jobs:

    1. Anything at or affiliated with the Mises Institute. Supporting personal and economic freedom, along with economic sanity.

    2. Mutual fund manager. I don't care what they say about mutual fund managers being over-paid. Who make that arbitrary decision? Anyways, finding really great companies is a fun challenge.

  115. Bar Job by pixel_bc · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... I have a friend who tells women at the bar that he's a Hostage Negotiator. ... it works. Sometimes.

  116. My ideal job... by FirstTimeCaller · · Score: 2, Funny

    Being a lawyer for SCO.

    Either that or one of those guys that makes up stories for the Weekly World News. Pretty much the same thing, actually.

    --
    Wanted: witty unique signature. Must be willing to relocate.
  117. Actor. by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 1

    I had one of those little moments of satori recently--I realized that I don't really want to be a software developer any more. I'd much rather pursue the acting I've been doing in my off hours. It's a hell of a lot more fulfilling to me than coding now.

    (Of course, there's the pesky detail that acting doesn't pay anywhere near as well...bleah.)

  118. The rush by lgbarker · · Score: 1
    Q: Why do you keep hitting your head with that hammer?
    A: Because it feels so good when I stop!

    This perfectly describes the rush I get after spending days grinding away at some dense system problem. The joy of solution nearly always motivates me to dive right back under the hammer in search of the next rush. I don't claim this is healthy or sane but it seems to be common.

  119. Dream Job? I've been dreaming of finding a job by Xian97 · · Score: 1

    In the present economy I have been dreaming of just finding a decent job, much less a dream job. It's been a couple rough years in the networking/telecommunications industry.

  120. Astronaut is both part of the Worst and Best! by ArcticCelt · · Score: 1

    Those lists are very suggestive and really depend on the point of view and interest of the writer. Just take a look and you will see that astronaut is both part of the Worst and Best!

    Who knows maybe there is some folk out there who really enjoy is job as "Flatus Odor Judge"?

    --

    Yahh, hiii haaaaa! -Major Kong, from Dr. Strangelove
  121. 15th Level Programmer/5th Level Rocket Scientist by monkeymanatwork · · Score: 1

    OK, I've been a coder (asm, c, c++, perl) since 1976 and now I write software for NASA. I've worked on every bleeding edge trend for the last 20 years, have degrees in physics and math, and now am working on returning Man (and machine) to the Moon. Oh, and did I mention I wrote computer games for 5 years? And that I've been using Linux since 1994 and am root on 5 servers? Can you get any geekier than that? And oh yeah, I'm married. AND I'm a member of IEEE! How much karma do I get for all that? Because obviously I'm too damn busy to moderate... Bottom line kiddies... this is exactly what I wanted to do in the 4th grade. So this is my dream job.

  122. Parental leave by FlyingOrca · · Score: 1

    Man, that's sad. Don't you folks have parental leave? Here, you can take 35 weeks off when your child is born, and draw Employment Insurance. It's great.

    --
    Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.
    1. Re:Parental leave by BSD+Yoda · · Score: 1

      Even after your child care and mortgage, you have more money doing the same job than one of the folks in these so called "englightened" countries. The problem with everyone pointing to Germany or the Netherlands is they don't realize they're paying for it one way or another. 35 weeks of leave doesn't come free, its only "free at the time".

      Socialized medicine in Canada results in a per-capita national debt second in the wolrd only to Italy, and cannot be sustained indefinitely without major changes or even MORE taxes, in a nation where anyone making more than about US$75,000 pays a total of 55% in taxes.

      If you were to negotiate an annual %15 pay cut with your employer in exchange for 6 weeks vacation, they might entertain the thought. Any company in the US who would introduce 35 weeks paid leave for maternity would have to lower the salary of every employee in the company to pay for it, have no raises for like 5 years, or explain to shareholders (current employees 401K and retirees in large part) why their profits are cut 50% now and forever more.

      Be careful what you wish for.

  123. job != perfect happiness is a tautology by GunFodder · · Score: 1

    I have met and heard of people who say they love their jobs, but they generally break down into two categories:

    1. People who strangely love their weekends more.
    2. People who have really awful problems in their personal lives.

    Your job cannot be the funnest thing in your life for two reasons:

    1. No one will demand to be paid to do the one thing in life that makes them happiest. Eventually employers will refuse to to pay for something if they know their employees will do it for free.

    2. If you have to do it at a particular time at a particular place then it loses a lot of the fun factor. Writing emails at home after a couple of beers can be fun; writing emails at 9am after an hour long commute usually isn't.

  124. beat this by way2trivial · · Score: 1
    read
    http://www.ericharshbarger.org/lego/desk.html

    then look here --it's at Sun..

    http://tinyurl.com/23l5l

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    every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
  125. My new job by joehoya · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Back in November, I took a job I found through the washingtonpost.com. The job was for tech support to executives at a non-profit bio-tech research lab. I started the job on a Monday, on Sunday I was on a private jet flying to Newport, RI to get on a 95-foot sailing yacht about to embark on an around the world research expedition. Since then I have sailed from Newport all the way through the Panama Canal.

    In the process I outfitted the boat with 7+ PCs, a VGA matrix switch system, a 42" plasma, a wireless LAN, ran 1000' of cat-5 and 500' of VGA cable in the boat, installed a $30K microscope with built-in webserver, configured several satcom systems and learned the rudiements of sailing and knot tying, all while being filmed by the Discovery Channel.

    In two weeks I will be headed to the Galapagos Islands for a week to make sure everything is working before the boat heads across the Pacific.

    As much as this has been a dream job, it has (on repeated occasions) nearly cost me my 3-year relationship with the most wonderful woman in the world. I think the hardest thing about a dream job (just as others have noted) is finding a balance with the rest of your life.

  126. Piss on SCO by Simonetta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let's get together and make SCO urine cakes!

    Time to put our piss where our mouth is...
    uh..something like that...you know what I'm saying..

  127. The best job on the planet by schnitzi · · Score: 1
    If you want to know who has the best job on the planet, you need only check this site:


    http://www.thirstytraveler.tv/html/home/index.ph p? sec=home


    I have no logical reason to hate this guy, but that doesn't stop me.
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    I object to that article, and to the next reply.
  128. Best Military job by nsaspook · · Score: 1

    Shore patrol at old Subic Navy Base in PI. Money payoffs, free drugs, whores and booze for looking the other way at vice crimes. Lived like a king and hated to leave.

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    In GOD we trust, all others we monitor.
  129. Engineer at a successful startup by Happy+Cramper · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Always dreamed of working in electronics but lived in Salt Lake City. First job, garbageman Need I say more.

    Skip a few years.

    Worked on a team with some of the coolest people on the planet in, Santa Cruz CA. Living in a place that has trees, beaches, geeks. (trees are a big plus) This fun and successful team designed a product so good, the owners of the company decided they would never need another one.(or design team)

    1995: Followed the lead guy to a cable modem startup. (this is before the Web was a household term) Being an internet junky, I jumped at the chance. WhooHooo! what a ride. Being an engineer for a tiny startup which actually survived the bubble. 16 hour days, 7 days a week, working with a close team of geniuses, feining the "startup life", people with sleeping bags under the desk. watching it grow. watching the product of your work revolutionize communications. countless people addicted to your pet. becoming a paper-multimillionaire. driving the curviest, most leathal mountain road in the country 18 times per week in a sports car. All the while, married to an understanding mail-order bride, "Go make money".

    Just when I think life can get no better, I get surprised.

    By the way, we are hiring.

    1. Re:Engineer at a successful startup by Spectrum+West · · Score: 1

      I'm the editor of the dream jobs report, and I'd like to hear more about your job; we may eventually do a followup to this article. Email me directly to t.perry@ieee.org if you wouldn't mind being a future profile candidate.

  130. What's the difference? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Funny

    What? You think having EE degrees means they would rather stare at oscilliscopes all day!?

    I'm not sure I see a benefit, either way you're staring at curves all day...

    I guess the fun lies in the frequency of oscillation.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  131. Worth looking at spread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The standard deviation is much higher on the US figure than the Sweden figure. So whilst you might have 10 Swedes with 26K, you are likey to have one american with 100K, two with 35K and 7 with about 12.5K. A very small % of the US population generate most of the money. Swedish and German economies might earn less, but the outcome is more balanced.

  132. Re:Dream Job by D4rkm1lk · · Score: 1
    I used to have to force myself to look at the big picture and realize what an amazing place I was in

    I too take inspiration from the bigger picture, but I'm lucky enough to love even the "unglamorous" part of my job!

    I work here - CDSCC

    I get to turn up here each day, a fantastic spot just out of the city, look after a network of Linux computers and the impressive hardware they control, and look at stars as well as spacecraft!
  133. The answer is simple. by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Jobs involve doing work that other people don't want to do themselves. So, you get payed to do "work". If you are doing work and love it, then generally it's regarded as a hobby. But of course, there is an exception to everything in life. So if your lucky, you can do your hobby AND get paid for it.

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    Life is not for the lazy.
  134. was there... by kerb · · Score: 1

    any deadlines?

  135. helping others by LordBeaver · · Score: 1

    The people i know that are happiest are those who help others - doctors, physios, ... it must be great to see your work have a positive affect on other peoples lives. i mean ok there are computer jobs that you can do this in but normally we are so far away from the coal face that we dont see the impact technology has i sometimes think i should retrain as in this area. maybe i will

  136. Excatly. by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

    And is it the US work culture that is making him "poor?" I'd say no, it's his own decisions. Sure the 250k house is great and all, but a 100k house is just as good.

  137. Six of one, half dozen of the other by Travoltus · · Score: 1

    Canada has lower per capita health costs than the US. Their tax rate is not because of their health care program.

    The United States citizen, on average, works more hours than people of any other industrialized nation, even Japan. We work 137 more hours per year than the Japanese. We also experience more job stress and stress-related illnesses and accidents, than these other countries.

    So what this boils down to, is a trade off between a pay cut and a health hazard.

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    --- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
  138. My dream job. by torpor · · Score: 1

    I have a dream job. I make Viruses ...

    Heh heh, the synthesizer kind, of course.

    Well, the only problem with my dream job (it really is the job I've been dreaming of since I was a child) is that a) its too dream-like, and b) people get soooo jealous, very easily, and the 'hes got a good life' prejudice kicks in super fast ... really, thats the only part of my job that sucks.

    Still, its not forever, I know that. Nothing lasts forever ...

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    ; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
  139. yikes! by CyberdogOSX · · Score: 1

    "Electroejaculation generally requires anesthetizing the animal and is typically used on zoo dwellers." That's the last time i go to the zoo!