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U2 Threatens to Release Album Early on iTunes
Uninvited Guest writes "After a rough cut of U2's latest unfinished album was stolen earlier this week, the band has vowed to release the entire album on iTunes if the music appears on P2P networks. Bono told the London Daily Telegraph, 'If it is on the Internet this week, we will release it immediately as a legal download on iTunes, and get hard copies into the shops by the end of the month.' Is this the exact opposite of the Smashing Pumpkins' last album, which the band rushed to release on P2P networks, before it could hit the stores?"
If it's available for free on P2P networks, we'll make it available for people to buy online?
Just don't get that.........
I think this just promotes a P2P release. Post it and we'll release it, almost a reward to the fans...
Seriously, what's wrong with iTunes? Just wondering.
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Great bands....like U2?
... and in a related article containing an even worse threat, "U2 Threatens To Release Another Album".
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Smashing Pumpkins did not rush to release their last album on P2P before it hit the stores, rather, they used P2P as the *only* way to release the album. They sent out 25 vinyl sets of the album to various community members to get a P2P release going.
Who would want to steal a U2 album? Now I'd steal a Jessica Simpson or Nick Lachey. Maybe a Brittney album. Yah! Like totally.
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Winners go home and f*ck the prom queen!
Ok, now someone please steal the next Tool record so we can all get it a couple months early.
I think they like... think that doing this will somehow punish the person who stole the disc, to make sure it doesn't happen again... or something... Maybe Bono has just finally gone over that final bit of the edge...
As someone who would like to hear the music soon, I'll be at home recording tracks of me singing 'yay, can't wait for itunes. C'mon bono, release it to itunes. La la la la!' for 4 and 5 minutes each, then name them after the album and use the songlist from Amazon.com.
Stage 2, post them to P2P programs but prevent anyone from succesfully downloading them.
Stage 3, wait until someone hired by the record agency finds them listed and assumes the worst. Presto! The songs are released to iTunes weeks early.
Mission accomplished.
I think the idea is that once it's out, it's out - in its present, incomplete form. Which must be really sad for the band.
On the other hand, bands like the Beatles used to *thrive* on bootlegs - session tapes would get stolen and circulated, and peoeple would STILL pay to see how the final copy came out.
Does this work the other way around as well? If it never appears on P2P networks will they delay the release of their album indefinitely? Please God, I hope so. I would give money to the RIAA to help keep this album off the networks if it meant no more U2.
if it's a rough cut, then it won't be as good as the one you can buy.
if it's a practically perfect copy, then why haven't they released it already? (hint: outdated distributed method defended by useless middlemen unwilling to die gracefully)
maybe they're scared that p2p will allow people to "try before you buy", and just want people to be able to pay for it before they've heard it, cf MPAA wanting mobiles banned because people can talk to friends about crap movies as soon as they've seen it.
It's the greater of two evils. Either wait a few months and have finished crappy music or have unfinished crappy music right now.
What are you expecting to find here?
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You'd figure that it's all in the title of the Pumpkin's last album. The truth is that, though Billy Corgan loved the idea of free music, the band was only allowed to release it on-line after Virgin decided that they wouldn't make any money on it.
As it is, though the album has some great music on it, it is rough... very rough. Given the sales of Machina, which didn't exactly reach the figures that they wanted, F&E was released for free as high quality mp3's.
So, is U2 the friend, or the enemy of modern music? Is "modern" music that which is envisioned by the likes of Corgan, where expression is free in it's entirety, or is it that which rakes in the cash? I'd say that it's the former, since that's where the real expression comes out. U2's last album was somewhat of a whore for sales... it sounded nice and poppy, none of it was objectionable or edgy... and it sold a lot of copies. U2 is showing their true colors, now, by fleecing us with their name. Their music isn't special anymore, it doesn't have the content anymore, it's just meaningless pandering to the "modern music" crowds.
I'll stick with my Pumpkins for now.
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Seriously people, since when does U2 suck? Oh yeah, since they tried to make some money off of thier album. And for the people that think the p2p version would be a treat, it is unmastered, and as Bono gets older, the cigarettes sink into the vocal cords, and production helps the music sound a lot better. Have you ever listened to an early EP of your favorite group? With a few exceptions, shoddy production can make for a shit record, no matter how talented a group is.
A rough cut of the disk disappeared from a recording studio in Nice during a photo shoot .
It's clear that a photo shoot in Nice has proved itself to be a device that could be used to illegaly copy music. I propose an immediate Senate bill to ban such technology.
The band was putting together the finishing touches. Most of the album had previously been recorded in Dublin.
It's clear that being present in Dublin has proved itself to be a device that could be used to illegaly copy music. I propose an immediate Senate bill to ban such technology.
We have seen the future and it is digital... u 2 can be there.
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Unless U2 is releasing their unfinished album on iTunes (maybe with some rough cuts), it's not going to prevent the rough-cut version from being more popular than the complete album.
History tells us that incomplete things actually commands more value, like money notes, stamps etc.
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that's because most people (or me at least, YMMV) are willing to pay for things they like a lot.
I only have one illegal film on my hard drive. I saw it at the cinema, I have the soundtrack and I will buy the DVD when it's out.
shovelling shit down peoples' mouths can only work for so long, but if you make genuinely good stuff everyone wins.
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Great, so put songs on itune, so what? It's only goanna make Steve job the happiest guy on earth.
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Am I the only one who read this headline "U2 Threatens to Relase (a new) Album"?
I suppose I just need to skim less...
Why would U2 take the actual CD of their incomplete album to a photo shoot? And since it was a rough cut, it almost certainly was a CD-R, so you would think that any old blank CD disc would photograph just as well. U2 has been out of the spotlight for several years, and somewhat forgotten. Then all of a sudden, their CD is "stolen" and they are back in the news. And to top it off, they "threaten" to release their album early to foil those dastardly P2P pirates.
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Thats exactly right, I'm going to download it just so I can delete it.
Bravo!
The only thing U2 is good for is a politically-correct answer for politicians to use when asked what bands they like.
I find Bono extremely annoying and self-important. Every song of theirs features the same annoying twang guitar chord. Thanks a lot "The Edge". What kind of name is that anyway?
The Brits are extremely pompous and annoying, but at least we can thank them for Led Zep, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, The Who, The Clash, and others. Ireland? Forget it. Stick a fork in it, it's done.
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I don't think it was meant as a threat. I think the logic is that if it becomes available for free, they need to release it for sale ASAP because if they wait a lot of people who would have paid for it will P2P download it for free instead.
Bono's going to war against copyright infringement.
In this case Bono of U2 won't be the first Bono to support strengthening copyright law.
A band threatens to release a new album.
*Pictures Bono holding Steve on the ledge while waving around an iPod.*
"Don't make me do it!"
One time in Reno, I downloaded a U2 album just to watch it be removed from my hard drive.
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What the hell, U2 threatens to... release the album!!!! Holy crap!
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U2 is bluffing and/or just being silly (which they have a long history of - just look at their wacko politics). They'll go after what makes them the most money.
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Hopefully the album was stolen by Father Lankester Merrin who'll know what to do with it.
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Let us know! It's supposedly basically done too, but will be undergoing editing/refinement/etc. in the future months (early 2005 release expected. WTF?).
BTW, is Trent Reznor on Doom3?
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I'm usually not one to listen to popular music (not that I'm knocking it or anything.) Organic instuments never really appealed to me, but U2 is one of the few popular bands that I could always seem to get into. My musical tastes are mostly aggressive electronic music (industrial: Skinny Puppy, Haujobb, yadda yadda), so maybe I'm not the right person to be giving a critique on U2, but as far as I see things they've just totally sold out and shown that they seriosuly have no clue.
For example, take the release of their albumb POP back in 1997 or something. It was an interesting albumn; it sorta picked up where Zooropa had left off. It was a lot more "experimental" (at least for them) and just by listening to it I sort of got the felling that U2 didn't really give a fuck and just wanted to make the music they were inspired to make. Well, the critics and many of the fans totally wrote the album off as too "electronic", and a few years later U2 releases the completely horrid All That You Can't Leave Behind, which I never even had any interest in at all, but the songs I did hear were just so boring and cookie cutter. But the kicker is that the album went on to sell VERY well, not to mention a US tour with people willing to sell their momma's own titty just to get a ticket. Shocking!
Anyway, I think the "threat" of putting their new album on iTunes because it's been stolen just shows how out of touch celebrities get when they hit the big time. And I don't mean just famous; I mean HUGE. U2 has been a big band for nearly 20 years now, if not more, and as far as the politics that they might have been aligning themselves with before that association is obviously completely gone. Personally, I don't believe in that shit anyway, as politics in popular forms of entertainment seems to me to be just another marketing tool, but that's my own take on things.
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1. Downloading from iTunes isn't exactly fast. And if it is, you're just getting lower quality music. I don't subscribe to iTunes (and neither does the majority of the world), so I'm pretty sure the amount of effort to create an iTunes account with address and payment information, and then download a decent-quality version of the full U2 album will be non-zero. I'd rather
find (easily) the bittorrent for the album and click. No personal information given. No payment information. Easy.
2. Consider that it was a good quality recording that was stolen, so there will likely be at least one non-lossy rip floating around (FLAC, etc.) and at least some good 320kbps rips also. Can I get non-lossy quality from iTunes? Or at least 320kbps-equivalent?
I just can't see the advantage of iTunes. And don't lay legal crap on me. I live in Canada, and P2P has been put to the legal test here, so all I need to do click, download, and play. Yummm...
Easy.... the band works in Mysterious Ways.
I feel like I've heard that song at least enough to last back into the 80's.
This is the part that bugged me the most.
French police have launched a major operation to find the disc.
Next time a frenchman misplaces a copy of his favorite album, I guess he should just call up the police, and they'll get right on that, too. Right?
Officer: What's that? Someone is breaking into your house? Ok, can that wait like another 15 minutes? We just got a lead on U2's lost CD. They're great, aren't they?
they used to have such a unique sound. Seems like it's all been downhill post-Joshua Tree...
Did they lose band members or just get old and lazy?
This story doesn't pass the smell test. Nobody brings a live CD to a photo shoot, where this CD was supposedly stolen. The usual industry practice is to shoot a photo of the packaging, which is provided without the actual CD, which may not even be complete at the time of the photo shoot.
I used to work in product packaging, and many many times I produced package comps (full quality mockups) for CDs, DVDs and VHS tapes that would not be finished for many weeks or months. The advertising production usually precedes the finished product. Anyone who would take the final unreleased product to a photo shoot, where there are a whole lot of bozos floating around just waiting to steal anything that's not nailed down, well, they're just asking for trouble. That's the whole reason to send faked comps instead of live product to shoots.
Obviously a case for the Pink Panther! Seriously... I've seen some comments about how "out of touch" U2 is... but I think they leave as much of the promo crap to the suits in the marketing department as they possibly can. I beleive the label is mainly responsible for deciding when to release the cd. The boy in the band may be as puzzled about this ploy as ./ readers, and they may care even less.
More like "What is that? You have someone breaking into your house? You must wait. U2 has lost their music and won't leave the country until we've found it. French culture is at risk. At risk we tell you!"
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Pink Floyd had Dark Side of the Moon bootlegs in stores....
"Pink Floyd played a concert version of Dark Side at London's Rainbow Theatre in February 1972. To their dismay, a bootleg recording of the concert sold 100,000 copies about a year before the official release." Article
And look what it became...
"In the USA, DSotM is the 18th best-selling album of all time and has spent a total of over 740 weeks on the Billboard magazine music charts with the longest continuous period lasting 591 consecutive weeks. It reached the #1 chart position in the US, Belgium and France; even in 2002, thirty years after the album's release, over 400,000 copies were sold in the United States, making the record the 200th bestselling album that year. "Time", "Money" and "Us and Them" have become radio call-in favourites (with "Money" having also been a bestselling single in the USA)." Wikipedia
If it is good enough people will still buy it. So if this record is phenomenal U2 should just finish it.
But that irish looney keeps wailing, and that's what keeps torturing me
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"French police have launched a major operation to find the disc."
I just realized how screwed up this world really is. A major police operation has been launch to find a CD. Aparantly all other crimes have been defeated.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
I'm intrigued by the moderation of your post. The only thing insightful there is your subject.
Translated to another topic, your post might have gone something like:
"I don't get it, what's the big deal with Doom 3 being released? If not Doom 3, some other 3d game would come out. Oh yeah, I don't even like games."
Heh...
why the fuck would I bother lying to people on the internet?
the film is Shaun of the Dead and I would buy it just to show my support for Simon Pegg/Edgar Wright, let alone for the commentary/extras that will no doubt be great given how good the commentary on Spaced (best sitcom ever imo) was.
ooh, a joke about meeting women... how funny and original.
IP of all sorts will get copied in spite of all the DRM and other crippling technology people can devise. It's not just music, if we can't prevent kids from downloading in rich countries, how can we expect to prevent motivated adults in countries without a history of IP protection from duplicating. In China, they clone cars , that's surely not frictionless. Someday, IP of all sorts will be marketed like other perishables with a finite shelf life. Copyright and trademark laws will need to adapt to this reality.
Musicians and Authors will be like Engineers and Programmers and Farmers, if they want to live off their IP, they will need to keep producing more of it. Which was kinda the whole point of IP laws in the first place
If you must moderate, please moderate as irrelevent, not something bad, because I'm sure someone will find this interest
This is because The Smashing Pumpkins are cool and Billy Corgan isn't a tool who's all about the money but actually loves the music, and.. U2 are a bunch of money grabbing whores who pretend to be all about peace and love but couldn't really give a shit.
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Erm wait. . . How will this show them again? This seems like a pretty empty threat. Are they under the impression that pirates care if the song is available for sale or not?
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I'm not saying this isn't a smart move in that it might sway die-hard U2 fans (if there is such a thing) from the temptation of downloading the tracks from kazaa early -- though I bet most of them who did download them for free early would still buy the cd anyways. .
Still, I hardly see how this qualifies as news, or why this seems to be worded as an ultimatum to the pirates.
just because I'm fed up with crappy rips, incomplete songs, and screwed up tags to even bother with p2p anymore.
The ONLY reason I've used p2p at all recently is because I heard some bands on Snake Net Metal Radio (one of the iTunes radio stations) and I wanted to hear at least 1 or 2 other songs by the bands (Nightwish, in this case) - I said "Hey, decent band!" and went out and bought 2 of their CDs, and plan to buy more.
So, this could very well work.. and p2p can serve as a great way to find new bands. I never thought it could happen, but it came along for me.
Oh, and porn. I wish that there was iTunes for porno flicks. Oh yeah.
"So what if they release it on iTunes? What does it matter? Besides, it'll end up in P2P regardless."
I doubt it's to stop it arriving on P2P, afterall they claim to be waiting until they see it there. The 'so what' is that people will be given the chance to just buy the music out right instead of simply taking it.
Frankly, it could work. A.) They're likely to get money they would not have made otherwise. B.) One of the best ways to shy people away from P2P for illegit music downloads is to not create a gap from illegal availability to the release of the content. I prefer their attitude to "our fans our thieves!" P2P may be free, but iTunes is a considerably better service. Encourage people to go there first and they're not so likely to just go download the music.
"Derp de derp."
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...which is forced to ALWAYS work pro bono...
knee-jerk? check. post? check. okay, time to read the article.
Ahhh. Plus by downloading from iTunes people can be sure it's the real thing, complete, and of high quality.
Pretty shrewd on U2's part too.
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What they should do is offer people the opportunity to buy a legitimate copy of the album in advance of the album actually being released. If you do the pre-order, you're also cleared to download the leaked version if you're impatient. If the reason to release the album early is to give fans a chance to pay for it when they first hear it, they might as well give the fans that chance without rushing the distribution channels. If both are available at the same time, the reason to buy it from iTunes instead of downloading it from P2P is to have the right to have it, not because Apple's packets are somehow more pleasing than other people's. So there's no reason not to sell the right to have a copy without actually distributing a copy at the time, if the customer is willing to make their own arrangements until the album is officially released.
I think this is actually part of a planned campaign, and if you think about it for a minute or two, it's brilliant. There's not really any reason they would need a rough mix of their album to do a photo shoot. I suppose they might want the photographer, art director, or whomever to hear it to get a feel for the music before snapping photos, but there are other ways of doing that. Playing their new tunes before a photo shoot sounds a bit more like a garage band with a decent first-time-in-the-studio recording rather than an international blockbuster act. So what's the gimmick? U2 says the rough mix was stolen and if it shows up on P2P, they'll rush it out on ITMS -- weeks before the CD will show up down at the Sam Goody. Which means it will be online first, and legally. There's lots of U2 fans who will buy this record as soon as they can, and don't much care about the format, so long as it can be burned. There are some who will just copy it, but many people will pay because they know it's the right thing to do. By releasing releasing early only on ITMS, they'll be reap all the profits the CD would (at least for a few weeks), while cutting out CD, burning, printing, distribution, and stocking costs. These costs are not insubstantial, but they are a bit out of whack. If you look at CD production costs, you will notice that there are three elements (not counting time and labor): 1) physical disc; 2) jewel case; 3) printed cover. Of these, the most expensive is the paper cover; the cheapest is the disc. The publicity from the theft story gets them loads of coverage over several weeks, also providing convenient details about how to buy the goods. U2 may be on to something here. 1) Create buzz with free coverage in world media (here's where the obligatory ?????? comes in) 2) Make product available only through download, cutting out a great deal of manufacturing expense 3) Profit 4) After delay, release product in lower-margin physical form 5) Profit more
"I don't understand the threatening nature of the band's proposal to immediately make the album available on iTunes and later in stores when it is finished. Can someone explain ?"
I believe that was Slashdot's idea of sarcasm. Judging from the comments I've skimmed so far, U2 is not well liked here.
"Derp de derp."
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That story is wrong! The truth is that U2 has delayed their album a year because they have to change the security measures on the album so that hackers won't be able to use the stolen version to write quick cheats.
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How about a simple "said"?
There is no justification for the emotive terms "threatened" or "vowed".
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"Ahhh. Plus by downloading from iTunes people can be sure it's the real thing, complete, and of high quality."
And, pretty quickly, they could preview it.
I agree, it is shrewd on their part, and I think it's a good move for everybody. My only nitpick is I think they should just release it on iTunes anyway, but I imagine they won't since they likely have a higher profit margin on the physical CDs. Eh, maybe one day. I mean, how long will it be before a significant portion of the music buying population has some form of high-capacity music player?
"Derp de derp."
About as much as your government does. At least Moore has the excuse of creative freedom.
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The lesson here is that U2 has crappy fans?
When Rush was about to release Vapor Trails a year or two ago, i happened to find mp3s of the complete album a month or so before it hit stores on a P2P network. I had actually been looking for older Rush mp3s and was suprised but very excited to find the new ones as well.
I downloaded the mp3s, spent a few weeks listening to them at work, and then bought the CD the first week it was out.
At the time i don't remember Rush complaining about the mp3s being out there. They certainly didn't move their release date because of it. And as a solitary representative of their fans, i at least did not feel less inclined to go out and buy the album. So what's up with U2 and their fans?
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Has anyone seen Steve Jobs and Bono at the same place? Could they be the same........ Nah.....
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Regardless of whether they're liked, it seems that the intent, at least IMHO, has been misunderstood. It seems to me that if their work is indeed released on P2P in the near future, then they, like any other band signed to a major record label, have a choice of either letting every fan download it illegally (which would be more than usual since it can't/won't be released on CD for months) or immediately offer it on iTMS where they have a hope of getting some revenue for their work.
It doesn't seem so much a threat as it does a simple, well meaning and fairly savvy move to try & recoup some revenue from their work, should it become available on P2P.
Normally honest fans might be enticed to illegally download the album just to hear it if they can't have a legal alternative for months. I don't understand how this move, in any way, can be construed as negative. They are trying to make the best of a bad situation for them by embracing a viable and legal alternative that promotes a modern distribution method. And it might set a precedent. Suppose it does hit P2P and they do release it on iTMS. This would be the first major album released online only (for the time being). And maybe they sold alot. And maybe they, and many others, realized that bands that are already 'made', have no need for the RIAA and can go to iTMS directly and make alot more money. It's a scenario that is just waiting to happen. Someone willdo it - be it U2, Bowie or whoever. And that will be the real death knoll for the RIAA.
What I'd like to know is that a threat Bono, or a promise? The last thing I'm interested in hearing is a new U2 album. Ugh! No offense to the fans, but its my kind of muzak.
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please, tho this is not me condoning it, copyright violation is not stealing someone's property. It is acquiring a perfect copy of intellectual property through shady means.
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"After a rough cut of U2's latest unfinished album was stolen earlier this week, the band has vowed to release the entire album on iTunes if the music appears on P2P networks."
.mp3 wired, deny ourselves a huge revenue stream and put it strait to digital format so the pirates don't have to work too hard to get it.
...Yeah, and????
I mean, is that a threat? Because I truely am baffled. "By golly, since somebody stole our copy, we'll release the entire damn thing on iTunes!" Ok, so we're going to punish the large majority of our innocent fanbase who still easily outnumber the
Aside from the potential bonus of making iTunes more popular, there's no freakin' logic to this action. Millions of people who have never downloaded a song in their lives are being cut out of the loop for.... Uh, what was that reasoning again???
Yeah... You go U2. Show em who's boss. ^_^
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Huzzah for major bands being more important than violent criminals.
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I don't know if anyone attempted to use Kazaa lately. But 98% of anything I download off Kazaa has been decrypted with an annoying buzz noise. You can't even get songs off Kazaa P2P anymore.
And sharezilla sucks, everyone I know who installed it has gotten blue screens of death. Is there a linux P2P alternative? There, U2 shouldn't worry.
The file is a fake, oops!
Seriously, though, Bono may be insane, but this may work for them. Nowadays, people would rather buy music than download it illegaly, if given a choice. Besides, the stolen version is unfinished. I think that most fans would rather buy a GOOD version, rather than run the risk of being sued over a crappy one.
I read that and I heard it in Kasey Kasems voice.
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The same thing happened to Radiohead's last album "Hail to the Thief", if anything it just caused more buzz and free publicity for the album.
People who are going to download the album, are going to download it, whether it's meant to be out or not.
The Beatles were also head and shoulders a better band than U2. Personally, I can't stand them. Joshua Tree, great... since then it's just been ass.
To my knowledge, one of the biggest bands to rely on bootlegs and such are the Grateful Dead. They weren't big on studio work and there are shitloads of bootlegs available. A buddy of mine in high school was a huge Dead fan and had 4 shoeboxes full of bootleg tapes.
Metallica once thrived on bootlegs to get recognition. Then they got it and decided that it was a bad thing. That is a band that has lost a lot of respect from a large portion of long-time fans and they're not likely to win many back.
You are, as you said, a solitary representative. Do you think every person who downloaded those files went out and bought the album the first week it came out? Probably not. Probably quite a few of them intended to buy the album, but they didn't quite have the money, or they saw something in the store they liked better, or they decided that the songs really weren't that great after all... for whatever reason, because they were able to download the songs before they were able to buy them, Rush lost a sale. Why didn't Rush complain? They probably didn't want to let everyone know that the songs were available on P2P.
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do anybody know a good place to get that album? a torrent/ftp perhaps?
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No, the lesson here is that people suck, and U2 has to cater to people. A quick Google says their last album sold over 10 million copies. Do you expect even a big percentage of them to have the nobility of spirit to wait for the legal release, or the fanaticism to pay for something they already downloaded?
And as a solitary representative of their fans, i at least did not feel less inclined to go out and buy the album.
Good for you, and I mean it. Now how many people do you know would do the same, compared to how many who would not?
[...] they used P2P as the *only* way to release the album.
Correct. Billy Corgan stated it was a personal "fuck you" to Virgin Records for preventing them in releasing the album. It was then they stopped as the band Smashing Pumpkins, to which BC said it wasn't because of issues within the band internally, but that they were tired of competing with "all the Britney Spearses out there" (something like that).
All this makes the album title quite interesting: "Machina II - Friends and Enemies of Modern Music".
IMO, what they did was very commendable given the circumstances. Thanks Billy and friends for releasing the album!
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Which is kind of odd, given that the approximate age group that would read slashdot would be fans of U2. Maybe, it's because U2 fans don't see the point in acting stark raving mad about their own opinions of the band.. ;)
Now the real question is, will U2 feel the Slashdot Effect?
This simply shows one thing, they are a bunch of crybabies. They've made more money than they could ever spend in a lifetime, and this new record means nothing to them economically. So if they weren't spoiled little brats, they'd just go along with their recording and release the album as planned. ...unless they know it's a pile of crap. Then they got the perfect excuse: "Yes, we do know these songs are rubbish but that's because we where forced to release them in an unfinished state. It's your own fault, you potential pirate you"...
Another album that was out in the wild long before getting a real release was the last Whiskeytown-album. Im not sure how it sold though
"Meanwhile/finally, Reprise, Wilco's label, rejected the album, sparking a long search to find a new home for the band. Complaints abounded over the bizarre, noise driven elements of many YHF tracks. Songs leaked out online got a massive hype, and Nonesuch Records (owned by Warner) released YHF in 2001. Ironically, it reached #12 on the Billboard album charts, Wilco's highest chart position to that date and also charting in Australia."
Who knows, they might never make an album again out of frustration...
Bad example. You need to show that there is a down side to piracy.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
So what if they put it on iTunes? People still have to copy it, if they want to get it online. From the iTunes site:
Purchases from the iTunes Music Store are available in the United States, France, Germany and United Kingdom
So not even their Irish fans can download it, let alone the rest of the world.
So IF I were interested in downloading it, I would have to choose bteeen P2P or moving to another country. Mmmm. (And I am not even talking about the fact that I run Linux, wich is not supported by iTunes.)
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Silly me, I was thinking of the law as a binary concept (either your breaking it or you're not) but you've changed my life forever.
IANAL but this is common sense. There are civil infractions, and criminal infractions criminal comes in several varities (summary, misdemeanor, felony...) so yes, there are degrees of "breaking the law".
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Anyone who likes U2 enough to buy their album at its release date would download this version, think it was neat, add it to their collection, then go out and buy the real album anyway. This is not a problem for sales, and the press coverage will only help. Before this story, I had no idea U2 still existed (last one I bought was Unforgettable Fire).
Your mouth is like Columbus Day.
So U2 are releasing yet another disk full of filler, and they're sorry that people are going to pirate it, hear that it's crap, and not buy it.
They're threatening us that they're going to release it on itunes? Why is this a threat?
U2 aren't quite horrid, but they've been in a slump since about 1986.
The only thing P2P endruns is the marketing machinery that takes pablum and shoves it down peoples' throats by brainwashing them that it's excellent music. The truth is, there's so much music out there that the fanbases have fragmented. Why should groups like U2 be able to make jackloads of cash when there are 9999999++ other bands hungrier, edgier and more original?
Get off your high horse, Bono, and make something good that can make a splash-- if you can. U2 are nothing without their marketing machine.
Intolerance for ambiguity is the mark of the authoritarian personality.
If they don't know what they're doing, they shouldn't be downloading random stuff from the internet.
The *English* are pompous and annoying. We're not. We don't like the English either.
... A French police spokesman talking about the stolen U2 album confirmed that "We still haven't found what we're looking for."
"Joy is not in things; it is in us." Richard Wagner
Just a tad controlling.
I survived the Dick Cheney Presidency 7 to 9 AM 7-21-07
You do understand the inherent fallacy in what you just said now? Riiiiiight?
I don't want knowledge. I want certainty. - Law, David Bowie
Anybody else read this and got the feeling that the iTunes part was obsolete? ;-)
Ok I've just woken up and I might be a little out of it, but WHY THE FUCK IS THIS A THREAT?? what are they threatening to do? release really bad music or something? Will releasing the album somehow open a key to the 5th dimension portal of darkness?? And another thing, "French police have launched a major operation to find the disc." A major investigation?? WTF is a major investigation, surely that's the sort of investigation you do when some kid goes missing and witnesses say they saw a dodgy man with a van, then you go and get 200 police to search fields. You don't do a major investigation to find a CD. The fact is, and im sorry U2, your album will be on P2P networks, either now, or when its released, theres no if or buts, its a 100% sure bet, but why half the police force of Nice should waste time looking for something that's not even the master copy is beyond me.
Stars are all selfish assholes.
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of all the bands to bash, you're going after u2?
;)
a band that has said it doesn't care about people downloading their albums, as long as they don't make a profit on it... they've actually released concert bootlegs for people to download - legally!
they do understand that the more people listening to their music the better - they are one of the bands that "gets it". the big issue here is they're worried about unfinished demos hitting the internet and people getting a wrong taste of their new album. this isn't a band that is worthy of slashdot bashing.
but then, my handle tends to give away my bias
Demarcation.
You mean that they are going to force people to listen to the Edge play that same shitty guitar riff that he's been playing for the past 20 years earlier than scheduled?
-Cnik
What can our homeland defense and the Patriot act do to protect us from foreign threats like this.
*DrugCheese rants*
think U2's desire is to get something out that they feel is close to a finish product rather than having an album out for months that isn't near what they wanted the final album to be. For me that's a respectable decision.
From what *I* got out of the article, the album was already in post-production. Believe me, anything of significant value rarely goes on there. They'll finish post-production and ship on time. No big deal.
Edge said they lifted "one piece of plastic". Unless the band kept their sole copy of the album on one CD - which as you know isn't the case - the album isn't gone.
I would bet real money that the post-produced version isn't significantly different than the version lifted.
Sony ha
However, if it's available only illegally, then a fan who wants to hear the album has no choice but to break the law.
[...]the logic becomes quite simple.
Speaking of logic, you committed the fallacy of the false dichotomy. A fan who wants to hear the album DOES have a choice: wait. Or download illegally.
Downloading is never the ONLY option.
Sony ha
I did the same thing with Vapor Trails... downloaded it a few week early, bought it the day it came out. The one thing that bugged me about doing this was that on the MP3 version, songs 13 and (I think) 8 were swapped. When the actual CD was released, I felt that these two songs were in the wrong order for the longest time.
Anyway, actually Rush did complain about the MP3's being released. I read in an interview or two how they were quite upset that it happened.
Actually, that track listing was an April Fools joke on t.d.n (or it may have been their official site but whenever I think Tool and April Fools, I think t.d.n). If I remember correctly, another track off that listing was "Floor Pail", an anagram for April Fool. But you're right, tracks did show up on P2P bearing those names. It was usually either Sober, Prison Sex or some crappy band that thought they sounded enough like tool that people wouldn't mind the disappointment...
"Watch your cornhole, bud."
All these bands are caught between a rock and a hard place with the music industry as it is today. Let's not banish U2 for saying they'll release an album early on iTunes. That's hardly the biggest sin in music today, and they're all sinners in your sense -- they all want to make at least a living.
The thing to do is try to work out a new economic model for the industry, and maybe rewarding attitudes like the Pumpkins' is a start, okay. But "everything is free free free" isn't a new way to support music, and neither side is absolutely good or evil.
You're sounding a little like the zealot who's identified an apostate -- "U2 is showing their true colors, now..." They're hardly the first band whose albums fell off some and became more corporate; Joni Mitchell was writing songs about that dissipated feeling in the 70s.
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
Seriosly, what do they think they have some kind of power over their fans? The music will pop up on p2p no matter what, its inevitable. Weither it is someone buying it off itunes then sharing or not it will go up on p2p.
That they think they can muscle their fans is a joke. It's kind of riaa'ish.
Most people aren't thought about after they're gone. "I wonder where Rob got the plutonium" is better than most get.
I for one would have had no idea U2 has released another album.
I for one welcome our Irish pop overlords.
ATTENTION DUMBASS, DO NOT USE THE PHRASE "I for one". UNLESS OF COURSE YOU WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE A SIMPLETON.
Kind of sad when you don't know that one of your favorite bands is releasing a new album soon until you read it on Slashdot.
It's kind of sad when one of your favorite bands is U2 !!! *rimshot*
Heh, sorry. Couldn't resist. =) I didn't need that Karma anyways.
--LordPixie
It doesnt appear to be the listeners.. " if you release what you stole to everyone, we will give it to everyone in digital format earlier "..
Or at least thats how i see it...
Strange sort of threat....
---- Booth was a patriot ----
check in the garbage.
> Is there a linux P2P alternative?
:)
I recommend giFT. You can find it at gift.sf.net, and modern distros should have it in their repositories (try something like "urpmi gift" or "apt-get install gift" to see if it automatically installs from the internet). You can use different front-end clients with it, which is a nice feature. Apollon is the popular gui front-end, and giFTcurs is an excellent ncurses-based (works in text terminals, but has tabs and layouts like a gui app) front-end. It can be attached to FastTrack (that's the Kazaa network) as well as Gnutella and gift's own OpenFT network. It's possible that somebody will eventually add support for other P2P networks, so I'm crossing my fingers and hoping.
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-JC
http://www.jc-news.com/coding/freedom/
Is at:
http://freality.org/library
Under "sound".
Please mirror if you d/l.
This is a threat how?
-Mark
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain.
"desi-i-i-i-ire"?
"Dave, I stand still--the conclusions jump to me!" - Bill McNeal, NewsRadio
$5 / month hosted VPS on linux = awesome!
A copy of the album was not stolen. It was left behind at a photo shoot in France. See story:
http://1077theend.com/musicnews.asp
(bottom of page)
Seriously, iTunes kills me with the AAC. I am a huge U2 fan but will only listen to OGG format sorry Apple (love your computers hate your compression). Anything else (besides wav) hurts my ears and gives me soft stool.
Complain or not I think that there is a large difference in the fan base. I like U2 well enough (and have War and Joshua Tree), but I have *every* studio Rush album. Add them up and its quite a bit. I know many more people who know and like U2 than I do those who appreciate Rush, but those who like Rush tend, like me, to collect all the music (in fact, I'm somewhat unusual for those I know as I have avoided the live albums).
On the other hand, Rush isn't U2 so when it happens to U2 its going to get more media attention. Which I guess is to say that I think Rush probably has less to lose by this kind of theft/release than U2, but the difference in perceived band reaction is likely to be just media attention.
Thoromyr
Every time U2 comes out with an album, I mail a money order for the cost of the CD to Negativland.
Proud member of the Weirdo-American community.
I will admit that this mentality has cut into some record sales, as I have bought far fewer albums that are complete--listen to it once and throw it away--crap. On the other hand, when an album comes out that's actually good I always buy it, after all, I want to support the artists (which is really what the whole thing is about in the first place), so they can continue to make more.
What we really need is a better way to preview music that is not:
- Illegal
- Lame -- Like only giving you the first 15 seconds at 20kbps of a song
- Firmly in the grasp of large record companies that concerned only with their top-40 performers. It's a shame that most internet radio has been a huge letdown in this regard.
- Impractical -- If you charge $100 a month, or have horrible DRM, or only work on windows with special software the screws everything else up, etc....
- Obscure -- There needs to be a way to find stuff. There are some great radio stations out there that nobody knows about (and aren't available in your area).
You know what the worst part is? Most P2P applications only fail on #1, while most legal stuff fails on at least half of these bullets.I read the internet for the articles.
when the smashing pumpkins released machina 2: the friends and enemies of modern music on the internet, it was partly because virgin records wasn't interested in the album (especially not a double album) after the lackluster sales of their previous album, machina: the machines of god. there is a link explaining all about it here, and you can download machina 2 here.
Well, if you RTFA, you'd see that the photo shoot was in the studio they were recording in. So, it's not too hard to imagine they would have a version of the album hanging around on disc.
Two Minus Three Equals Negative Fun -Troy McClure
i promise to continue to not buy u2's music.
wankers.
lose != loose
... You live in Utah, right?
Ah, the irony of complaining about a band "ripping off" a Led Zeppelin song.... LZ was all about taking old blues songs and turning them into rock-n-roll. Which was a *good* thing, IMHO. As is the song "Bullet the Blue Sky," IMHO.
As for the severe overplaying of Joshua Tree songs by the "machine," I'm completely with you. Commercial radio can run even a good song into the ground by overplaying. Of course, it usually sticks to bad songs to overplay....
-mozo
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There's a quasi-legal option out there... allofmp3.com. If you're a paid member, you can stream complete low-quality (24kbps?) mono versions of anything in the catalog. Quality is blah, but you can tell if you like the music. Plus side here is that even if at some point someone determines that it's illegal to download tunes from them, you haven't downloaded anything, so you're (probably - IANAL) within the law. And, your $10 traffic subscription lasts forever if you don't download.
Unfortunately, you're limited to what's in their catalog, but it's a fairly decent selection.
Hey kids, there's only 5 days left 'til Yak Shaving Day!
Use SoulSeek .... there is a Linux soulseek client named Nicotine which runs very well and makes me a happy downloader again.