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FreeBSD Announces Contest To Replace Daemon Logo
An anonymous reader submits "The FreeBSD core team has announced a public competition to design a new logo to replace the current BSD daemon logo. The new logo will be used on the FreeBSD website, software media labels, printed media, hardware equipment, and more. The winner of the contest will receive $500." It's too early for an April Fool's Joke; according to the contest page, "this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view,
but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional
products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside."
How about the little red devil jabbing his pitchfork into a patent lawyer's behind?
You are in error. No-one is screaming. Thank you for your cooperation.
Microsoft has stupid logo-like things. Clippy, that search dog, their MSN butterfly, etc.
The religious issue I cannot believe actually warrents changing the logo and I see nothing particularly unprofessional about the daemon.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
Remember the previous competition? NetBSD Announces Logo Design Competition
For 500 bucks and a free copy of FreeBSD.
Gimme that booze you little pumpkin pie hair cutted freak!
a Tombstone.
BSD was dying in '98, it's gotta be dead by now, right? =)
occultae nullus est respectus musicae - originally a Greek proverb
New non-hideous /. BSD section theme to follow...
...is anything like the netbsd logo I'm going to scream! What's wrong with the demon?
Silly rabbit
Instead of the devil how about a drunk Irishman with keg of beer. Free as in Beer Logo.
I've already submitted my entry. I've got my fingers crossed!
- tristan
There are other contests to replace Linux's Penguin, GNU ñu, mysql seagull and so on?
It's OK for football teams, canned ham spread, and vacuum cleaners, but not for an operating system?
You can't talk about Wikipedia's flaws on Wikipedia
maybe a devil dancing with bill g. will look more professional ???
Having a cool logo is one of the reasons I liked BSD. Plus the ports, stability, and ease of instalation. I can't believe they would change the logo. This is seriously weak. Given that BSD is dying, I think changing the logo might be enough to finally kill it off. I suggest someone make them a nice RIP tombstone with some pretty daisies.
Great. We'll probably end up with some corporate-style logo that I'll totally hate.
This would be an argument for changing, you realize.
Hey thats funny - you are dying too! So am I!
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Practically, I can see where the horned devil might make certain religious people uncomfortable.
But if you're going down that road, then you might as well steer clear of offending other religions world-wide. That's right, no pigs, camels, or graven image idols, etc.
Consider how many Jews and Muslims have avoided learning Perl because of the offensive beast on the cover of the O'Reilly book!
"Provided by the management for your protection."
The logo will go in concert with beastie but will also be seperate. This helps with official letterhead and small "powered by freebsd" logos where beastie doesn't show up very well. Beastie is still the mascot and will be displayed on the web site and t-shirt...
BSD is known by the BSDaemon. Why would you erase such powerful branding? This is absurd.
Plus, the Daemon is way cuter than the Penguin or that stupid butterfly.
I nominate Jesus. Not only would this show the world that FreeBSD has turned around from its evil, dying state, but also it will represent that, having died between 1998 and today, it is born again.
Is a penguin any better? Is it a religious thing?
The BSD Daemon is cute and instantly recognizable (to anyone who's dealt with BSD), not to mention it's a creature from the underworld to appease the Netcraft folks. Why change?
A daemon *wearing* a tux!!! yeah!! ;-)
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at least your entry is better than the new netbsd logo.
living the dream
What is up with that?
:)
I mean it could not have been any worse unless they picked a cute picture of a flightless water fowl for their logo.
I mean we all know that would never fly with corporate America.
ACK
this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside.
This does not make any sense. At all. What language was this translated from, exactly?
Anyways, I always liked the little daemon. It's cute, and it has a very indy feel to it - of course, I guess that's what they're trying to get away from.
Discworld.
Wuh?
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Linda Branagan is an expert on daemons. She has a T-shirt that sports the daemon in tennis shoes that appears on the cover of the 4.3BSD manuals and The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX Operating System by S. Leffler, M. McKusick, M. Karels, J. Quarterman, Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Reading, MA 1989. She tells the following story about wearing the 4.3BSD daemon T-shirt:
Last week I walked into a local "home style cookin" restaurant/watering hole" in Texas to pick up a take-out order. I spoke briefly to the waitress behind the counter, who told me my order would be done in a few minutes.
So, while I was busy gazing at the farm implements hanging on the walls, I was approached by two "natives." These guys might just be the original Texas rednecks.
"Pardon us, ma'am. Mind if we ask you a question?"
Well, people keep telling me that Texans are real friendly, so I nodded.
"Are you a Satanist?"
Well, at least they didn't ask me if I liked to party.
"Uh, no, I can't say that I am."
"Gee, ma´am. Are you sure about that?" they asked.
I put on my biggest, brightest Dallas Cowboys cheerleader smile and said, "No, I´m positive. The closest I´ve ever come to Satanism is watching Geraldo."
"Hmmm. Interesting. See, we was just wondering why it is you have the lord of darkness on your chest there."
I was this close to slapping one of them and causing a scene--then I stopped and noticed the shirt I happened to be wearing that day. Sure enough, it had a picture of a small, devilish-looking creature that has for some time now been associated with a certain operating system. In this particular representation, the creature was wearing sneakers.
They continued: "See, ma´am, we don´t exactly appreciate it when people show off pictures of the devil. Especially when he´s lookin´ so friendly."
These idiots sounded terrifyingly serious.
Me: "Oh, well, see, this isn´t really the devil, it´s just, well, it´s sort of a mascot."
Native: "And what kind of football team has the devil as a mascot?"
Me: "Oh, it´s not a team. It´s an operating--uh, a kind of computer."
I figured that an ATM machine was about as much technology as these guys could handle, and I knew that if I so much as uttered the word "UNIX" I would only make things worse.
Native: "Where does this satanical computer come from?"
Me: "California. And there´s nothing satanical about it really."
Somewhere along the line here, the waitress noticed my predicament--but these guys probably outweighed her by 600 pounds, so all she did was look at me sympathetically and run off into the kitchen.
Native: "ma´am, I think you´re lying. And we´d appreciate it if you´d leave the premises now."
Fortunately, the waitress returned that very instant with my order, and they agreed that it would be okay for me to actually pay for my food before I left. While I was at the cash register, they amused themselves by talking to each other.
Native #1: "Do you think the police know about these devil computers?"
Native #2: "If they come from California, then the FBI oughta know about ´em."
They escorted me to the door. I tried one last time:
"You´re really blowing this all out of proportion. A lot of people use this `kind of computers." Universities, researchers, businesses. They´re actually very useful."
Big, big, big mistake. I should have guessed at what came next.
Native: "Does the government use these devil computers?"
Me: "Yes."
Another big boo-boo.
Native: "And does the government pay for ´em? With our tax dollars?"
I decided that it was time to jump ship.
Me: "No. Nope. Not at all. Your tax dollars never entered the picture at all. I promise. No sir, not a penny. Our good Christian congressmen would never let something like that happen. Nope. Never. Bye."
Linked page says it is not yet announced
I am trolling
Best get my BSD Daemon tattoo done before it's too out of date :)
Don't they already have a new logo?
I tried for 5 years to come up with a clever sig...only to realize that I am not clever.
it won't be as bad as the mascot from OpenOffice.org's Schools Project.
bytesmythe
Hypocrisy is the resin that holds the plywood of society together.
-- Scott Meyer
How about the same logo, with a submachine gun, a big dick, and a burned cross around his neck?
Seriously, people need to stop being such pussies. Beastie kicks ass.
A bit off topic..
But I keep wondering if it pronounced
1) Dee-mon
2) Dae-mon
or some other variation.
and Tux is far more "Professional"...
Some misguided individuals have taken offense to the daemon character.
Well whatever they go to, I hope they have a good promotional product to accompany it. Because I remember when I was at Comdex and they were handing out the little devil horns to everyone, well that really made my day >:-)
http://rfitch.net/images/tessin.jpg His name is Peter Tessin.
I know it's only $500, but wouldn't this be better spent on development, or even marketing?
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Earn a free iRiver
Raul also did a penguin-girl around the same time. I wish that lazy bastard would get back to drawing bonza chicas!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Time for my medication...
Stick Men
http://tinyurl.com/48ws5
I think that about says it all. :-)
--- Ban humanity.
Reminds me of Pokey the Penguin.
"...to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside"
"FreeBSD inside" - that has a ring to it, don't you think? What about "FreeBSD Inside" with - get this - a circle around it?
Oh wait...
Not necessarily a Shoggoth, but demons and devils are not unheard-of in corporate identities.
Underwood's devil trademark dates from 1870, and is the oldest US food trademark still in use.
"The original red devil was a real he-goat, half man, half goat, with horns, pronged spear and a tail. He was a leering demonic Lucifer, frequently portrayed in early ads dipping a whole ham into a boiling caldron as flames roar in the background and Satan's sons dance with glee. The current red devil has been stripped of evil. He is a happy Satan, smiling, carrying his spear, and apparently waving at the potential customer. His footwear appears to be elves slippers. The logo appears prominently on Underwood's entire line of meat spreads, chunk meats and sardines.
Advertising showing the little red devil began to appear nationally as early as 1895. It has become and icon of American culture. "
Keep the demon, but - if someone's got his panties in a bunch - make it a grown-up one, not a cute one like George Lucas would insert into his movies.
Or maybe the BSD logo could incorporate a cute chunk meat.
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its a deamon (little helper), not satan.
This is truly sad. I can just imagine the new logo being along the same lines as the crap parodied by eNormicom.
I have an idea for another contest. Design a sentence for the FreeBSD logo contest page that is comprehensible.
Our intelligent designer has never created an animal that we couldn't improve by strapping a bomb to it.
Somebody get a high qual img of the Daemon over to Fark. Let's get a photoshop trail going.
Just the way its written.
You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
You could glue one of those little calendar things to the bottom of it and give it to mummy and daddy for Christmas!
Stick Men
1) They get a whole bunch of crappy logos and have to back away slowly away from the contest idea because to pick one would be to turn in a good logo for a bad one; or
2) They pick one logo that half the users like, and the other half hate, and it forks FreeBSD, causing chaos, a plague of locusts, cats and dogs living together. Mass hysteria.
Let us all pray that BSD really is dying. It may be our only hope.
The world's only surviving livewriter.
I was told by a BSD insider at the last IETF that this was being done becuase of complaints from religious conservatives that the old mascot was satanic.
Sigh...
Then it will start to die.
All of the great things in the world were built out of love, not money.
Stick Men
One of the women in the NOC at the last HOPE conference had the FreeBSD daemon tattooed on her shoulder...man, that's gonna be a long story to tell the grandkids.
It the shoes. Make him look business ready. Put him in a suit. The tuxedo worked for the penguin, right?
We don't hear much about the PC of the right, but this is it. PC has long been associated with idiotic bending-over-backwards to not offend causes that the left likes (minorities, disabled, etc). This seems a prime example of an organization bending to the whims of the right.
It seems just like Fox changing the name "Best damn superbowl roadshow" to "Best darn superbowl roadshow"
AccountKiller
Hmmmmmm. Were you using the Gimp in MS Paint emulation mode?
Sometimes my arms bend back.
Ceren. 'Nuff said.
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
BSD was dying in '98, it's gotta be dead by now, right? =)
Netcraft hasn't confirmed it yet, so watch out with these assumptions.
Is there any plan to make their logo visually similar to one of the other BSDs? Or do the logos really matter to anybody except marketing geeks?
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/new89/satan.773. html
But what about the booth babes? Won't somebody think of the booth babes?
"Slashdot is about legos and staplers." -Cmdr. Taco
sorry, you did not comply with this one: * The logo should be vector graphics, not bitmap image.
except for Beastie. In that spirit, i'm going to be realeasing a new BDS distro shortly: BeastieBSD.
It will be exactly the same as FreeBSD, except it will still get new users based soley on the awesomeness of its logo.
No more little demon...
BSD Diva:
http://members.shaw.ca/zerone/img/BSDiva.png
How about a little guy (gal) in a hard hat and overalls and boots and work gloves. Some kind of tool in one hand. Sort of reflective of the blue-collar ethic of the goals of that operating system.
Best regards.
they don't think the logo is professional enough?
that logo is fine the way it is.
that logo is what got me to try freebsd in the first place.
this is what happens when companies listen to marketing wonks instead of their clients.
they wind up wasting money on stuff that doesn't need fixing in the first place.
Is it 5:30 yet?
Unlike OpenBSD (and I'll never forgive them for the damn fish), NetBSD has *not* moved away from beastie. A mascot is not the same as a logo. NetBSD has opted for a daemon-less logo, but still keeps the same mascot. I hope FreeBSD is doing the same. I think it's pretty reasonable, given the amount of religious nuts out there.
Prescriptive grammar:linguistics
Wait, did someone just say that there is a contest to fork? Oh, I'm sorry, FreeBSD wants a new logo. If Linux has a penguin, then why can't FreeBSD have a daemon. Come on. Leave it along. I like the daemon -- complete with a badge on my PC. This is stupid.
The views expressed are mine own and do not express the views of my employer.
If you're a "professional," are you going to make a rational decision--that is, to use it or not--based on the logo, or the performance?
If they want a new logo, that's perfectly fine. But if they want a new logo because people might think it's "cute," they need to take a step back and think for a moment.
The demon logo bugs the suits? So don't put it on a box, honestly, they'll never know, what are they going to do, go to a truly technical website?
I say we all submit a ton of _truly_ offensive logos, and send the idea of changing the demon back to the overly religous cultural backwater it came from.
Seriously, these people are insane. Click that last link and scan down to where it says "Apple Macintosh". Religious fundamentalists are, once again, doing their best to destory science, intellectual discussion, and human society. We must all work to stop them.
"this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside."
I'm sick and tired of everything in the tech world needing to be made palatable to suits and PHBs.
I realize that complaining about it will be about as effective as trying to hold back the tides with a sheet of plywood, but that doesn't mean that we have to like it or accept it quietly.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
"The designer also certifies that the logo does not infringe
upon the rights of any third party and that it does not
violate any copyright."
Only way to certify that is to do a copyright/trademark search. I hope you guys are gonna pony up the money to assure due diligence on your idea.
http://www.badeagle.com/journal/archives/Bushgirls .jpg
http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html
I have the original 4.3 BSD manual, VAX-11 edition from 1986. It's 6 rainbow colored volumes plus two copies of the Master Index in a sophisticated brown. The cover of each features a cartoonish devil poking a bubble marked UNIX with a pitchfork. The part that I always found interesting is that the inside of the cover credits the design to John Lassetter, Lucasfilm, Ltd. Lucasfilm! How cool is that? That same year, he wrote and directed Luxo Jr., Pixar's first short and the origin of their logo. Here's his page on IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005124/
Hail Satan! Er...I mean...uh...
Brandon Reinhart
What is this with software development groups? I wonder if vacuum cleaners loose any sales because they have "Dirt Devil" brand name (Beware the power of a dirt devil). What about the New Jersey Devils, the hockey team? Or Tasmanian Devil from WB cartoons? They dont' seem to be losing money, customers or auditory because of "unholy connotations".
If anything, this pondering to non-existant "offended" customers is a sign that a project is diverting its attention from real to imaginary problems. Logical step in a sequence of events that took FreeBSD from the true original to the project it is today.
We can't be letting this happen again.
No need to create a new one. Use this one.
When you get to hell -- tell 'em Itchy sent ya!
I say those who care about keeping the devil mascot should fork Free BSD into a special "devil may care" version that maintains the soul-selling culture that has allowed Free BSD to blossom into what it is today.
The flag just makes more sense than the constitution. - Judas Gutenberg
Remember, two things came out of Berkeley during the sixties, BSD and LSD. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Nobody is suggesting that Beastie should cease to be the FreeBSD mascot; this is about selecting a new logo.
The reasons for this include not just that some people consider the daemon to be offensive, but also legal issues: The daemon image is owned by Kirk McKusick and right now if companies want to use the image, they need to get permission from him. A "powered by FreeBSD" logo which is actually free for everybody to use would make things much easier.
Tarsnap: Online backups for the truly paranoid
IANAL and all that, but if I have to conduct a trademark and servicemark search, and "certify" that the logo does not infringe -- thereby making me liable for FreeBSD's use of the logo -- then $500 is chump change.
Sorry, pass.
I was immediately reminded of this story, pasted from: http://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/~bilke/pub/FreeBSD/texas _daemons.html
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Last week I walked into a local "home style cookin' restaurant/watering hole" in Texas to pick up a take-out order. I spoke briefly to the waitress behind the counter, who told me my order would be done in a few minutes.
So, while I was busy gazing at the farm implements hanging on the walls, I was approached by two "natives." These guys might just be the original Texas rednecks.
"Pardon us, ma'am. Mind if we ask you a question?"
Well, people keep telling me that Texans are real friendly, so I nodded.
"Are you a Satanist?"
Well, at least they didn't ask me if I liked to party.
"Uh, no, I can't say that I am."
"Gee, ma'am. Are you sure about that?" they asked.
I put on my biggest, brightest Dallas Cowboys cheerleader smile and said,
"No, I'm positive. The closest I've ever come to Satanism is watching Geraldo."
"Hmmm. Interesting. See, we was just wondering why it is you have the lord of darkness on your chest there."
I was this close to slapping one of them and causing a scene -- then I stopped and noticed the shirt I happened to be wearing that day. Sure enough, it had a picture of a small, devilish-looking creature that has for some time now been associated with a certain operating system. In this particular representation, the creature was wearing sneakers.
They continued: "See, ma'am, we don't exactly appreciate it when people show off pictures of the devil. Especially when he's lookin' so friendly."
These idiots sounded terrifyingly serious.
Me: "Oh, well, see, this isn't really the devil, it's just, well, it's sort of a mascot."
Native: "And what kind of football team has the devil as a mascot?"
Me: "Oh, it's not a team. It's an operating -- uh, a kind of computer."
I figured that an ATM machine was about as much technology as these guys could handle, and I knew that if I so much as uttered the word "UNIX" I would only make things worse.
Native: "Where does this satanical computer come from?"
Me: "California. And there's nothing satanical about it really." Somewhere along the line here, the waitress noticed my predicament -- but these guys probably outweighed her by 600 pounds, so all she did was look at me sympathetically and run off into the kitchen.
Native: "Ma'am, I think you're lying. And we'd appreciate it if you'd leave the premises now."
Fortunately, the waitress returned that very instant with my order, and they agreed that it would be okay for me to actually pay for my food before I left. While I was at the cash register, they amused themselves by talking to each other.
Native #1: "Do you think the police know about these devil computers?"
Native #2: "If they come from California, then the FBI oughta know about 'em."
They escorted me to the door. I tried one last time: "You're really blowing this all out of proportion. A lot of people use this `kind of computers.' Universities, researchers, businesses. They're actually very useful."
Big, big, BIG mistake. I should have guessed at what came next.
Native: "Does the government use these devil computers?"
Me: "Yes."
Another BIG boo-boo.
Native: "And does the government pay for 'em? With our tax dollars?"
I decided that it was time to jump ship.
Me: "No. Nope. Not at all. Your tax dollars never entered the picture at all. I promise. No sir, not a penny. Our good Christian congressmen would never let something like that happen. Nope. Never. Bye."
Texas. What a country.
Have you painted a shed today?
To heck with Enterprise and the wales. Somebody save the daemon.
--- Location Unknown
FTA:
Okay, am I the only one who thinks this is totally ridiculous? FreeBSD churns away quietly and quickly in backoffices everywhere...since when did we start to care about "powered by" stickers and logos? What we care about is the fact that we install these boxen, turn out the lights and walk away.
Yes, I know I'm ignoring the marketing hype and all that happy crap, but c'mon, it's kind of a stretch to think that a pretty little logo is going to change any PHB's opinion on an "already dead" o/s any ways
But, hell, that's just me, and I'm dumb.
You ain't learnin' when yer talkin'
The older I get, the less I like everyone else.
"this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside"
I have no idea what the hell that is supposed to mean. After the comma the sentence just fell apart.
The only permissible submission under these requirements is a square with color #808080. And even then, I'm not sure; someone somewhere might find squares or grayness offensive, after all.
The right way to say this is "must not be patently offensive to any large number of reasonable individuals." and leave it at that. But the way it's written, it's basically impossible to do anything. Even the null logo will be offensive to some people who will insist that there should be something there. You can't simultaneously avoid offending every single human being on the planet. Why try? Beastie's been good enough for 20 years; why change now?
check it out
This makes the message pretty clear huh!
You are offending my believes by giving the daemon a label of bad and satanic.
I believe in helping spirits being neither good nor bad nor other predefined state.
The good/bad state depends on what _you_ ask the spirit to help _you_ with.
How would you feel if I would demonize your believes? Remember that your public expression of religious believes may offend somebody else there believes.
About the swastika, you do know that in India and many other countries this symbol is deeply settled in their culture? Congrats you just offended 1 billion people...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Okay, rarely do I laugh much around here (except from total dismay at the QOC of most of the posts), but that...that made me PIMP. Well, almost.
Keep up the good work!!
You ain't learnin' when yer talkin'
The older I get, the less I like everyone else.
Buffett's company Berkshire Hathaway owns GEICO, which uses the gecko as its most recognizable corporate symbol.
I'd think customers would want professionals dealing with their auto insurance claims, yet GEICO (and Buffett) think a little gecko is just dandy.
Actually, we all know the accepted way to advertise to IT professionals is to either use gratuitous T&A, or else use one of those omnipresent stock-photo guys: the Asian guy with the spiky hair and the dark glasses, or the ultra-nerd guy who shows up in IT job ad sections, as if we like being insulted with a stereotype.
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-- RLJ
Few if any /. comments result in my laughing outloud, my hat goes off to you.
Seriously. Shouldn't this be about recognition? I don't find Tux any more or less "professional" and it doesn't seem to hurt or harm Linux any more or less. This sounds like a real waste of $500. The BSD Daemon has established recognition. If anything, why not come up with an aditional mascot/logo along w/ the classic?
*** Sigs are a stupid waste of bandwidth.
Who cares? Anyone narrow-minded enough to avoid an OS distro because it has a d(a)emon on the cover can please go fuck themselves.
Interestingly www.demon.net change from their devil tail insignia to a halo. They are one of the UK's bigger and oldest isps.
I couldn't agree more. This is a quinessential case of free software selling out it's heritage/principles to satisfy a mainstream business climate.
But of course, that mainstream is inherently hostile to those principles. Compromising with them will lead only to co-option, bastardization, and corruption.
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An ant, a red ant would work just fine.
I remember this logo. I thought it looked pretty damn good.
Currently FreeBSD kicks penguin arse!... lets keep it that way whatever the new logo ;o)
The developers are just paying proper respect to the ages-old tradition that computers are a black art. Hell, just ask any user, they'll tell you. It's all magical thinking and cargo-cult mumbo-jumbo.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside
Microsoft used it for its TCP/IP stack and a few CLI utilities - they didnt have any problem with the Daemon logo !!
The original Drawing that started it was:
t e.jpg
http://www.unixprogram.com/images/img3.jpg
With these little creatures running around doing things in the computer. IE: Daemons not demons.
Here is my proposal for a new Logo:
http://www.unixprogram.com/images/daemonet
Just for a hoot check out this one:
http://www.unixprogram.com/churchofbsd/
I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso
Wait, you mean that the only place that Beastie is currently seen in some companies is on a sysadmin's bookshelf, or his screen when visiting FreeBSD.org, and that no one else in the entire company will ever see it (or even know what FreeBSD is or how their company uses it)? Dang! Guess I'll be making an appointment with my proctodermatologist.
Seriously, how is this even an issue? I told my boss that I'd be installing FreeBSD back when I was first hired and started migrating away from Windows servers. I doubt that he even remembers which flavor of Free Unix I went with, and I'm 99% sure he has no idea (or interest) of the fact that their logo has a cartoon daemon. Does this actually matter to anyone?
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Ok, all you budding graphic artists out there thinking about entering the contest can all go home now.
"this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside."
Does this sentence make any sense to anyone?
And then there's their FUD about the sexual proclivities of Tinky Winky and Spongebob Squarepants.
Hey, I have an idea. Let's play to the fundies.
Make the new BSD mascot be a cutesy "head of John the Baptist on a silver platter".
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This one's already won the competetion...
Well, then, we should change the Linux logo, too, right? Cause according to the latest news, they tend to be gay and some religious groups might be offended... :)
Doomie
Sharks with frikin' " lasers " on their heads?
The eternal struggle of good vs. evil begins within one's self.
The FreeBSD core guys are saying that the "announcement" is a rough draft and officially the contest hasn't been announced yet.
This brings back the memories. When I was in high school they tried to change our school mascot. The Devils was a name hated by all the local churches. The proposal was to rename our football team to "The Yodelers." Luckily football is more important than other religions in my home town, and the proposal was crushed.
Why change?
Beastie is one of the coolest one around and i cant really see a reason for changing it.
Besides it's not the logo that determines popularity...it's usability and the end results of the "product".
So i'll cheer on with my friend Soffi "Save Beastie!"
-- Isak Ben.
But no more disturbing than This entry for the Linux logo competition.
FreeBSD logo = devil
devil = bad
!devil = !(bad) = good
good = angel
then...
FreeBSD logo = angel
Profit!
Consider how many Jews and Muslims have avoided learning Perl because of the offensive beast on the cover of the O'Reilly book!
:o)
You say that like it's a bad thing.
*Anything* that stops people from damaging their brain with Perl is a good thing.
The PC weasel logo is much more explicit (and funnier), and it does not seem to have harmed sales or perception.
Leave the poor Devil alone!
...on a lot of levels.
First off towards the religious zealots that have no problem shoving their theology into your face, but will simultaneously raise a stink over your "imagined" alignment.
Second off, towards the Mac dorks with their kneejerk references of "THEY ALREADY HAVE, HAR HAR HAR" and posting links to pics that reference OSX. OSX is NOT FREEBSD. If you really believe that, then you just don't understand the UNIX philosophy. Go back to your art-fetish lickable computer and troll some other forum.
Third off, for squandering the the rebellious merits of the OSS and BSD community to get in bed with big business, which will undoubtedly turn into domination, regulation and corruption.
I have a few more but i think i've stepped on enough toes already. This actually makes me a little bit angry.
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I call it "Daemon without horns". Hope that's innocent enough. Oh, the gun he's carrying is not a weapon. It's an antivirus.
Is Ceren Ercen going to look cute in it?
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
The professional version uses a Red Hat as a logo. The penguin is the mascot.
Well, they can stick to their Windows, and go to hell!
Orcas eat penguins...
I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
It has nothing to do with George W. Bush (nice random bash).
I wouldn't want some cartoon devil character showing up on my company's computers either. It looks unprofessional and odd. I work in a real estate office. Would I want to have Bugs Bunny as the boot logo on all the machines in our computer room?
The word "bothering" in this case has nothing to do with the religious aspects and everything to do with the silly image in a professional setting.
With beastie logo: yum .
Without beastie logo: ick.
Don't take away the beastie...
-c
Do it for da shorties
Too bad http://www.adequacy.org/ isn't still running :-)
English is easier said than done.
That long ramble of bible quotes gave me an idea. Has anyone ever created a program that will scan a text for bible quotes and site them? Match any string of text in the processed document with any string of text in the bible, say three words or longer? Could be hilarious. Maybe have it start searching the bible at random locations for each attempt just to mix it up.
I think Bush and Cheney seem to be mixing quite well ;)
Technology, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.
I'd just like to say how angry and upset I am. The daemon logo is a historical symbol, and has made a great logo for the project all these years.
t ml
I'm really annoyed about the fact that this is occuring because of a few trolls on mailing lists. The logo itself is NOTHING to do with religion.
People always seem to think their religion gives them some sort of moral highground to bitch and complain about this and that. Something always offends SOMEONE.
It'd really be a shame to demote the beastie logo to a "mascot" only, and shove it away in some corner.
Please sign the petition to save the daemon logo... (for what it's worth):
http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.h
BSD has the best mascot out there and they're going to get rid of him?! BOOOO I say!
Keep Austin Weird!
How about a small blue square with white squiggly lines on it (if you squint you can just make out "The system is either busy or has become unstable ...") and a big red circle with a line through it on top of the square?
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Can't believe nobodys mentioned this yet...
What are these poor folks going to do?
the BSD daemon is dying.
What do you think this is? Open Office.org?
Huh-huh, she's hot. Gets my vote.
Is OS X BSD enough so I can use her? Beats Hexley.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
I'm reasonably sure that one of them is Paris Hilton. All things considered, I'd much rather see Ceren or the other girl, or even both at the same time.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
What Symb said, a crotchety old man. White beard, glasses, long hair, scowl on face. I know a guy who could model for this. It's perfect.
Best regards.
BSDI's lizard logo got accused of being satanic because the three lizards looked like three "6"es to some poor fellow.
sigh
It's the end of an era. Maybe I'll go back to the Amiga...
One, or both, of them was in a small hick town somewhere eating at a diner and they book was out in the open. They kept on getting stared at by the locals.
Eventually one of the local came up them and asked something like, "Are you boys Satanist?"
They were stunned of course, but eventually figured out that the book cover was, well, rather open to interpretation. They tried to explain about UNIX daemons but it was going nowwhere. "Demons?"
I believe they paid up and left quickly.
Huh?
How about putting him in a flight suit on an aircraft carrier in front of celebrating troops?
When I first entered middle school we were known as "The Satans". We had a cute little kid devil as our mascot. The wierd thing about being known as "The devils" or "The Satans" was when playing sports the team would huddled up before the game to pray. After saying "Amen" we would all yell "GO SATANS!".
Looking back on it it's hard to believe a conservative town in North Carolina would let there middle school be known as "The Satans". It was changed to the falcons in my final year, though. However, the high school is still known as the Red Devils.
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wayback goes back further for pokey than for friend bear, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're wrong. This is the first time I've heard of friend bear, though.
About this site
This is the future site for the FreeBSD logo competiton which is meant
to create a new logo for the FreeBSD Project to supplement the current
Beastie mascot. Despite an early draft announcement that got out we
are not quite ready for the logos yet. Please watch this space and the
freebsd-announce mailing list for more information in the near future.
http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/
Evidently, they are adding a logo without removing the old, according to their site. Still, the daemon is FreeBSD and it should not be changed.
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Okay, rarely do I laugh much around here (except from total dismay at the QOC of most of the posts), but that...that made me PIMP. Well, almost.
A child's drawing almost made you solicit women for sex? That's fairly disturbing...
Main examples being RedHat and SuSE (Novell). No fat penguins featured on those. And that's what many big companies buy, not boxes with fat tux's on them.
Techs just want things that work well, but once you start selling to execs it's gotta look professional as well. A fat cartoon penguin (or daemon) isn't high up in the 'professional software' design category.
it's way too late, I actually flipped across a channel some time back and heard the members of the 700 club railing against the presence of daemons in UNIX variants...
waitaminnit, offensive CAMEL?
-- it's ridiculous how many people misspell ridiculous... (damn, damn, damn...)
Is FreeBSD being run by an MBA now.
Doesn't anyone understand how much money companies blow when they rebrand. It's very expensive to break continuity. I mean when large companies change names and logos they end up doing 10s of millions of dollars in advertising to keep the brand recognition. It's stupid.
It's this crap that MBAs who haven't really built the business or come up in the business do. It's the nonsense they pull in an effort to build the brand better (er... make a mark in the company for resume material and large bonuses for restructuring)
Now here's FreeBSD who must now be run by some idiot MBA like several of the large companies.
This really pisses me off.
Keep the damn demon. It's probably the best logo in computers. Fine, Jerry Fallwell won't buy. Who gives a rats ass?
Gateway tried to go away from the cow. They are using the cow box again. Look at the upper left hand corner of the web site.
Look at the travesty of a logo that netbsd has. The old one maybe could have been colored. It's nice and professional looking. Oooooohhhh. Aaaaahhhhhh.
When you think of computers, the demon, the penguin, ibm, and microsoft are probably the best known logos. In our community, we'd maybe tack on puffy from openbsd.
BTW. Buy OpenBSD CDs. It's a project that's at least smart enough to keep running with the brand recognition it has. Look at the art work for the CDs and the T Shirts. Buy a T Shirt to go with the CD http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html
The BSD logo always reminded me of 'Hot Stuff' comic book characters from the 60's
does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside
A lot more bloody professional than a fat penguin.
It's just not the same without the strikethrough text
That's: "Smoke me a cipper, I'll be back for breakfast." - Ace Rimmer, Red Dwarf He was talking about: "Win one for the Gipper." - Knute Rockne, Knute Rockne: All American
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
I can't possibly respond to this better than other people who are better with words have done.
So I direct you to:
http://www.americanatheist.org/win98-99/T2/silve rm an.html
Most everything Douglas Adams says below applies to me as well -- I even used to volunteer much of my time to the local church.
AMERICAN ATHEISTS: Mr. Adams, you have been described as a "radical Atheist." Is this accurate?
DNA: Yes. I think I use the term radical rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as "Atheist," some people will say, "Don't you mean 'Agnostic'?" I have to reply that I really do mean Atheist. I really do not believe that there is a god - in fact I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one. It's easier to say that I am a radical Atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it's an opinion I hold seriously. It's funny how many people are genuinely surprised to hear a view expressed so strongly. In England we seem to have drifted from vague wishy-washy Anglicanism to vague wishy-washy Agnosticism - both of which I think betoken a desire not to have to think about things too much.
People will then often say "But surely it's better to remain an Agnostic just in case?" This, to me, suggests such a level of silliness and muddle that I usually edge out of the conversation rather than get sucked into it. (If it turns out that I've been wrong all along, and there is in fact a god, and if it further turned out that this kind of legalistic, cross-your-fingers-behind-your-back, Clintonian hair-splitting impressed him, then I think I would chose not to worship him anyway.)
Other people will ask how I can possibly claim to know? Isn't belief-that-there-is-not-a-god as irrational, arrogant, etc., as belief-that-there-is-a-god? To which I say no for several reasons. First of all I do not believe-that-there-is-not-a-god. I don't see what belief has got to do with it. I believe or don't believe my four-year old daughter when she tells me that she didn't make that mess on the floor. I believe in justice and fair play (though I don't know exactly how we achieve them, other than by continually trying against all possible odds of success). I also believe that England should enter the European Monetary Union. I am not remotely enough of an economist to argue the issue vigorously with someone who is, but what little I do know, reinforced with a hefty dollop of gut feeling, strongly suggests to me that it's the right course. I could very easily turn out to be wrong, and I know that. These seem to me to be legitimate uses for the word believe. As a carapace for the protection of irrational notions from legitimate questions, however, I think that the word has a lot of mischief to answer for. So, I do not believe-that-there-is-no-god. I am, however, convinced that there is no god, which is a totally different stance and takes me on to my second reason.
Doublas Adams(left) with David Silverman
I don't accept the currently fashionable assertion that any view is automatically as worthy of respect as any equal and opposite view. My view is that the moon is made of rock. If someone says to me "Well, you haven't been there, have you? You haven't seen it for yourself, so my view that it is made of Norwegian Beaver Cheese is equally valid" - then I can't even be bothered to argue. There is such a thing as the burden of proof, and in the case of god, as in the case of the composition of the moon, this has shifted radically. God used to be the best explanation we'd got, and we've now got vastly better ones. God is no longer an explanation of anything, but has instead become something that would itself need an insurmountable amount of explaining. So I don't think that being convinced that there is no god is as irrational or arrogant a point of view as belief that there is. I don't think the matter calls for even-handedness at all.
How about a picture of the FreeBSD demon sodomizing the Linux penguin?
Linky...can't ya just hear dueling banjos in the background?
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
are there cases of people actually refusing to run it because of the logo? I mean, even if they consider it offensive, most sysadmins who _want_ to and _can_ run it, will.
FreeBSD for the impatient.
"What about those people who are narrow-minded enough to ignore other people's beliefs because they don't match their own?"
Fine call me narrow-minded for *gasp* ignoring people whose "belief system", hell I might as well offend them as well, causes behavior where they are spooked, frightened, or made to feel unprofessional upon sight of a cartoon daemon in a piece of OSS.
The world would probably be quite efficient and *professional* (and boring) if it were run by accountants. The unpredictablitly of life and the chance to be offended or shocked is a feature not a bug.
... and furthermore
Can't they direct their energies at something more useful, say, like, you know, finally getting 5.x to a stable state with the ULE scheduler?
So BSD really is dying, or at least its logo is.
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fuck. i think you've halted them in their steps...
Anyone narrow-minded enough to avoid an OS distro because it has a d(a)emon on the cover can please go fuck themselves.
Would you use Nazi Linux (logo: Tux with a swastika armband)? Would you use it at work? Would you try to persuade your boss that it was just a harmless logo, had nothing to do with the actual technical system, and if he didn't like it could he please go fuck himself?
I think not.
You're welcome to like Beastie. The corporate world doesn't, and the FreeBSD maintainers want to court the corporate world. If you don't like what they're doing, hey, nobody's stopping you forking FreeBSD and having a daemon for YOUR logo...
In the country where a sizable percentage of the population actually goes to church every weekend, a demon is not a very good symbol. Neither is a penguin (because it looks stupid), but that's another story.
a very professional and disciplined corporate image...BSD Babes
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
But you know, Unix is most powerful when used from the command line and typing with one hand can't possibly be very productive.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Or if you still want a daemon, maybe this by Coop will do. I am sure that won't be offensive...
What in the name!? I really really cannot understand it. How can Beastie the Daemon be at all unproffesional? For crying out loud I have a "Dirt Devil" vacuum cleaner in the house! Why would FreeBSD throw away this mascot that is so well entrenched? In a sense it has such a strong "brand identity" already. Do they really want to end-up with something so generic as the NetBSD logo?
Wow I AM a loser, I am taking this way too seriously. I never knew I was so attached to beastie.
http://nucleardog.com/stuff/freebsd.jpg
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I guess this is similar to the way the Palm Tungsten went straight from T3 to T5, skipping T4, since 4 is an unlucky number in China (or something like that), or the way hotels often miss out on having a 13th floor?
It seems to me common sense that you should not have a logo which is symbolic of evil to a large number of people, if you want it to appeal to a wide market, unless you want your product to seem like a naughty teenager thing (similar to fcuk I guess).
It is sad that people still retain superstitions like this, and that these superstitions might actually affect their decisions to use/purchase a product, but the outrage over the change of FreeBSD's logo reminds me of the bickering between the various liberation fronts in "The Life of Brian".
(For one, I actually really like the daemon mascot - it makes a great unofficial mascot - but sadly it would be a mistake to have it smack bang on the front of a FreeBSD box in a computer store.)
Just because I can't prove there isn't a "God", for some sufficiently abstract definition of the term, that doesn't make it more reasonable to withold my denial. I can prove, to my own satisfaction, that every actual religion is false. If you stretch the concept of "God" into something that leaves no evidence of its existence, then no, I can't disprove that; but that's certainly not the God of the Bible, and it's not really the conception of God held by any religionist who advances that strawman argument.
All evidence says that the concept of God is purely a human invention. There is simply no reason to believe that it represents anything real. Is it possible? Technically, perhaps. But I don't believe it for a second.
Did you ever consider that -- even though he's never personally visted you -- Santa Claus might be real? You can't prove he isn't! How about the Easter Bunny? The Tooth Fairy? No? Me neither. And that's exactly how I feel about "God", too.
So, yes, I'm an atheist, not an agnostic. Incidentally, I suspect that many people who call themselves agnostics are just atheists trying to avoid offending religionists.
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Yes, the daemon makes FreeBSD look unprofessional.
Meanwhile, Linux - complete with an over-stuffed penguin - is completely trouncing *BSD, to say nothing of simply FreeBSD, commercially. I wonder why?
Might it have something to do with the actual operating system?
Not only that, but the daemon is something which peole identify with - and have identified with. "Oh yeah, that cute little demon thing! That's UNIX! I'd like to try that."
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I nominate Jesus.
FreeBSD is dying, but will rise again in a few days...
NETCRAFT CONFIRMS!
Or they could go with this friendly fellow...
Heck, there's plenty of Christian friendly critters over there!
And they aren't sucky, like Unglued...
That is absolute gold. I laughed my ass off.
"but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside"
I have a degree in English, but no matter how many times i read this, it confuses the crap out of me. I'm pretty sure i know what they're TRYING to say, but damn....
I'm determined to reclaim my karma. Now, if I can only find a groundbreaking article and something witty to say....
The clients who come in and sit beside the agents who use the computers to find property listings. Any other questions?
Oh, give me a break. The Windows logo and the Apple logo are WORLDS APART from a big, red cartoon character devil with a pitchfork.
Again, it's no different from having Bugs Bunny eating a carrot.
I don't need to be "ashamed" for not wanting a cartoon character on the computers our clients see every day.
Next.
Love it.
If there is any change to beastie it should simply be to adopt the color BLUE over RED.
I swear, you have more +5's than any other troll. Others should look up to you.
BSD is different from other OS's. It does a particular, vital job really, really well. The daemon logo works perfectly for that
I agree with that. I'm not so sure that CTO's see it that way though. It's kind of stupid, but obviously there is some sort of reason as to why they are considering a logo change. Not to say it's a good enough reason to warrant it or not...but there's some reason. And I think it's perception...
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The original beastie was drawn by John Lassiter. Maybe folks here have heard of him? PIXAR? Animation?
He did the artwork for the cover of "The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX Operating System", along with a few variations seen elsewhere. Take a look in the flyleaf. (I'm on page X. Heh...)
Credit where credit is due, and all that...
I mean, after all, the Daemon is holding a pitchfork. Maybe he's about to go pitch some hay into a pile out in the field. The Penguin is just sitting there watching his ass get fatter.
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That was one of the best laughs I've gotten from Slashdot in a LONG time. Nice work!
a coffin?
by a circle with a big red slash through it...?
As in, "we don't have any to deal with the Christian right wing freaks in this country..."
Humans...Jesus Baron von Christ! (Pardon the pun...)
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
Since there are similarities, collaboration and trades between the 2 OSS systems, I say the Gentoo folks should ditch the pac-man "thingy" and adopt the BSD daemon. That will show them!
"Santa Claus might be real? You can't prove he isn't! How about the Easter Bunny? The Tooth Fairy?"
They are real. They just never visit wicked wicked little boys that entertain ideas of their non-existence.
(p.s. we saw you in the bathroom and it makes us very disappointed)
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
http://www.linbsd.org/logo/freebsd_small.png
Unlike the penguin, it flies.
And, it eats penguin chicks and other carrion.
It's a shame, NetBSD I can understand, there may be some confusion when both BSDs use the same "daemony" logo style, but the other BSDs have all moved away from beastie.
IMHO NetBSD should dress the daemon as a retiarius.
That's the "Net-man" - the unarmored net-and-trident wielding gladiator of the Roman games.
(In competition with the Secutor (the sword-and-shield guy) the Retiarius has a significant advantage.)
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
And what about those people who are narrow-minded enough to ignore the people who are narrow-minded enough to ignore other people's beliefs because they don't match their own?
Isn't there some sort of rule that reads, "Thou shalt not commit bikesheds?" Yeah, this is a clear bikeshed. Maybe we ought to tell whoever came up with this stupid idea, "Thou shalt not suggest bikesheds." This is beyond painting the bikeshed, patching the bikeshed's roof. This is tearing down the bikeshed. Worse, the Daemon is a brand identity.
The views expressed are mine own and do not express the views of my employer.
a dead demon!
Can we change the name from BSD to the Christ-puncher?
hehe at work I had two freebsd machines and I enabled the freebsd daemon screensaver. You know, that one that has the daemon logo that moves around on the screen. I would "accidently" leave the freebsd machine active on the kvm switch. Eventually thye got replaced by some sun boxes. :(
I'm pleased that you like my "artwork", but please at least make it clear that you weren't the one who created it. p.s. I've been working on some other FreeBSD-related logos. I have them up at http://www.magnesium.net/~adamw/logos
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+1 Informative of course :)
Yes. That image was created with the Gimp on FreeBSD. I don't know of any good MS Paint alternative that'll run under FreeBSD, even though the Gimp is a bit overkill.
I actually tried to make an SVG using inkscape but, damn... vector graphics are a royal PITA. Especially when compared to the simplicity of drawing crappy artwork with my left hand.
This is my signature. There are many signatures like it, but this one is mine.
The Wrong Trousers.
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hmmm I guess this scythe won't work... :D
http://www.toaster.net/~slazar/freebsd.gif
Ignoring other people's beliefs is not narrow-mindedness, it is basic politeness.
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How about just using Ceren Ercen (the Latex-clad BSD babe)? :)
Remember, whatever this logo is it'll have to be used in costumes at the FreeBSD booth. Think ahead!
Sometimes less IS more!
Until 3 years ago was the SATANS. Seriously.
hi adam. yes i did not actually make this. it was just a joke, please don't take offense :).
- tristan
From OSNews.com:
Update: There is now a petition to keep Beastie, however FreeBSD's own Robert Watson emailed us to inform us that they are "seeking a new logo, but not a new mascot", so that petition is really reduntant.
Update 2: Rob Watson writes:
- The announcement text was an early draft, and the contest hasn't been announced yet.
- One of the immediate pieces of feedback we got was that we need to make it more clear: this is not about replacing the beastie!
- We're looking to create a new logo that can be used with the Beastie, or by itself. One of the specific concerns we have is that the daemon renders poorly in print using one-color, two-color, etc, and we need a vector logo, not just a mascot. Another was finding a logo that could be conveniently and easily printed by vendors on packaging for products that support FreeBSD. Not all vendors are willing to stick a Daemon on their packaging!
- We anticipate releasing the real announcement in the near future, at the logo-contest.freebsd.org URL. When it's ready, we'll send out e-mail to freebsd-announce, and we'll drop you a direct e-mail.
- Once again we've been reminded of an important lesson: don't put something on the web site if it's not ready to be seen. After at least three premature postings of FreeBSD releases on slashdot due to files starting to appear on the FTP mirrors even though the announcement hadn't been sent, you'd think we'd have learned.
Robert N M Watson
> Would you use Nazi Linux ...
... over-sensitive christians.
Some of them might. You need an example that is equivalent for the anti-religious nuts.
So, say your logo was a Roman collar, no face, just shoulders with collar and neck. And, it has NOTHING to do with religion or Christianity, it's just a reference, say, to some part of your special development process where you "bless" the code. Do you have to explain this logo at the beginning of presentations? You sure as hell do if one of these secularist fanatics is in your audience. (Or , for that matter, one of most of the people who aren't sure about the cartoon devil, either!)
The daemon is a fine _mascot_ and is not going away, as several pointed out. He's not a particularly good logo, though, and I can see why the project wants something different for a logo. (I would expect to see some stylized version of a trident and/or daemon.) Marketing and branding matter. Ask Firefox. (Surely, we all remember their tortured search for a name and logo.) It irritates me that so many people will look beyond the many advantages of having a good logo to help build a brand and instead focus like a laser on the giant non-issue of
I love the little daemon mascot. But, he's old and it shows -- he screams "hobbyist". Having a good logo, too, would be good for the project.
K.C.
So, a swastika is a "real evil", eh?
As a matter of fact, the swastika is a symbol of good, not evil. The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.
Use of the swastika dates back at least 6000 years, and started in India. It is also a religious symbol in current use for Hindus, Buddhists, Jainists and Pagans, and usually represents the sun.
The nazis used the swastika in a specific way, that being a black swastika, rotated at a 45 degree angle, contained in a white circle and resting on a red background. Even when used on nazi artifacts such as knifes, etc it was always rotated 45 degrees. Makes it pretty easy to tell them apart if you're aware of the distinction.
Banning symbols like this is indeed stupid. How much smarter it would have been to actively engage in restoring the old meaning to the symbol in popular view, and deprive hate-mongers of a symbol to rally behind. Instead, we've made it one of the worlds most powerful and recognizable banners.
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