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Fun With Transparent Screen Backgrounds

herberts writes "Looks like the amusement factor of 'transparent' screen background is getting bigger and bigger. The french Mac fan site Mac Bidouille opened up a dedicated part of their web site where fans can post shots of their transparent backgrounds." Other great transparent background shots can be found at Flickr.

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  1. Oh gesh... by kidventus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This is certainly a 1:43am post :-P

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    1. Re:Oh gesh... by bonch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This, the Apple Easter Egg post, and the PSP post, signify a typical weekend of stories around here. Sigh.

      Before the corporate buyout, Slashdot would have posted cool stories all the time no matter the day. But since OSTG took over, they save the good stories for weekdays just because they know they'll get more adviews on a Monday. Blah!

    2. Re:Oh gesh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Which really sucks for those of us in other timezones who have to work on weekends (~5pm Sunday here). Soo bored.

    3. Re:Oh gesh... by RealityMogul · · Score: 1

      Have you ever considered that there's not much interesting stuff going on with technology any more?

      While there is something cool once in awhile, It's highly unlikely that there will be a couple dozen interesting developments every day.

    4. Re:Oh gesh... by bonch · · Score: 1

      Do you realize how many submissions Slashdot gets every day? There is plenty of news they could be posting.

    5. Re:Oh gesh... by RealityMogul · · Score: 1

      Get a totalfark account and see how bored you get reading "the latest news". Quantity has nothing to do with quality.

  2. This just a digicam pic then a creative lineup? by jobeus · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Or something more techno-cool?

    1. Re:This just a digicam pic then a creative lineup? by Janitha · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, its defintly cool but in a productive perspective this has to be the most useless thing I have seen. BUT.

      Being a eye-candy-whore my self, I must agree this is really cool. At first, I saw the laptop and though they actually disassembled the LCD it self and the lights.

      I have yet to see someone who will really take apart the whole LCD installation to where its truely tranparent. I would do it without a doubt if I wasnt some poor engineering student who doesnt know what the fuck.

    2. Re:This just a digicam pic then a creative lineup? by NoMercy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You couln't achieve a nice effect like this in color using LCDs, A mono display might work to a degree though, similar to several alarmclocks which use a transparent display.

      Though you never know what technologys around the corner and how it will work, I think LEP/OLEDs achieve significantly higher density than LCDs and if there power output increased and the clusters of 3 colors had enough gap between each cluster to let light though something might be workable.

    3. Re:This just a digicam pic then a creative lineup? by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
      I have an old laptop display with no backing. It has two problems; The light behind it needs to be quite bright, at the moment it's in a window pane, and the circuts behind the screen cast shadows, and can't be moved. Still, it's a nice stained glass kind of effect....

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    4. Re:This just a digicam pic then a creative lineup? by sjs132 · · Score: 1

      Interesting... I've done the typical old laptop => PhotoFrame hack, but never removed backlight and used in window pane... Got pics? I'm curious how it looks...

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  3. It will be profitable by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Funny
    when they figure out a pr0n angle for the effects.

    This should take about ten seconds

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    1. Re:It will be profitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      This should take about ten seconds

      Well, frankly, that's between you and your girlfriend !

    2. Re:It will be profitable by aichpvee · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is /., good luck finding someone with one of those.

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    3. Re:It will be profitable by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Well, frankly, that's between you and your girlfriend !"

      Ouch! Talk about twisting the knife!!

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    4. Re:It will be profitable by wealthychef · · Score: 2, Funny
      twisting the knife

      Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays? :-)

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    5. Re:It will be profitable by glitch23 · · Score: 0

      Girlfriend? You give him too much credit. Remember, he is ambidextrous.

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    6. Re:It will be profitable by Omniscientist · · Score: 1

      I think the difficulty in getting a girlfriend is a bit exaggerated; I don't shower every day, I'm a slob, and I got the sexiest asian princess in the land as my girl. You guys just aren't trying hard enough.

    7. Re:It will be profitable by nadadogg · · Score: 1

      So you are dating Motogo Kusangi or Kikyou?

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    8. Re:It will be profitable by nadadogg · · Score: 1

      Ohh, it could be Kagome too!

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    9. Re:It will be profitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's more a lack of will to try than anything else. I mean, a computer is way less expensive and requires much less maintenance than a girlfriend.

    10. Re:It will be profitable by msim · · Score: 1

      I think you will find that that's called a "threesome".

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    11. Re:It will be profitable by walstib · · Score: 1

      Step 1: Transparent backgrounds with pr0n
      Step 2: ?
      Step 3: Profit!

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  4. What a confusing mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I'd rather have wallpaper.

    1. Re:What a confusing mess by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Funny

      The site is slashdotted. Courtesy of yours truly, here's a photo of a transparent background, reposted here:


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  5. Re:SO!!! by Rosyna · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Well, it's early easter morning (for the people that celebrate it at all, let alone on this day). What else is someone supposed to be doing other than posting duped stories from other sites on /.?

  6. Wow... by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some people have entirely too much time on their hands.

    1. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      This one certainly does. Too much time with their new PSP.

    2. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      So you have even more time on your hands to post a comment about it.

      Guess I'm even worse.

    3. Re:Wow... by Xzzy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, and they apparently post on Slashdot.

    4. Re:Wow... by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was going to ask why this phenomenon only seems to be a Mac thing. Now it's clear to me.

    5. Re:Wow... by lactose99 · · Score: 5, Funny

      When you only have one mouse button you tend to find extra time for other things.

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    6. Re:Wow... by woohoodonuts · · Score: 5, Funny

      I totally agree... what a complete waste of time. And now I've gotta figure out a way to stuff all these pieces back into my monitor.


      SO STUPID!

    7. Re:Wow... by zwilliams07 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah we have to do something with that time we have not running antivirus, antispyware, and other maintenance tools.

    8. Re:Wow... by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      Now it's clear to me.

      *Ba-dum-tshhhh!*

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    9. Re:Wow... by Storlek · · Score: 1

      It's not entirely a Mac thing.

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    10. Re:Wow... by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      I'd do something similar with my old CRT trinitron screen, but it's too bloody heavy, and I'm too lazy :-)

      Other than that, there's nothing worth seeing behind my screen, unless you find a few hundred wires and several inches of dust interesting.

    11. Re:Wow... by Sholmas · · Score: 1

      touché.

    12. Re:Wow... by appleLaserWriter · · Score: 1

      The productivity gained by using a mac gives you plenty of time to do cool things.

    13. Re:Wow... by kemapa · · Score: 1

      I haven't read a post this funny in a while... bravo!

    14. Re:Wow... by fgl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://files.macbidouille.com/transparent/pages/ga llery_29767_11_13892.html This Mac has an interesting skin...

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    15. Re:Wow... by daveed · · Score: 1

      There is a windows laptop floating about there...
      http://files.macbidouille.com/transparen t/pages/ga llery_29767_11_13892.html
      And that's a particularly good one I thought.

    16. Re:Wow... by BrainInAJar · · Score: 3, Funny

      or any other piece of software for that matter

      /i keed

    17. Re:Wow... by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 1

      Like use photoshop to create fake screens? I could do it myself too, but I have better things to do...

      N.

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    18. Re:Wow... by dink353 · · Score: 1

      Dang, I would have to agree... But then that could also describe most of the posters on ./

    19. Re:Wow... by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Yea. important things like downloading SP2 again because you've just reinstalled.

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    20. Re:Wow... by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Some people have entirely too much time on their hands." ... said the guy posting on Slashdot.

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    21. Re:Wow... by ezavada · · Score: 2, Funny

      When you only have one mouse button you tend to find extra time for other things.

      Proof that Steve Jobs was right! A single mouse button improves productivity!!

    22. Re:Wow... by cptgrudge · · Score: 1

      So burn the network install for SP2 to a CD. Then you don't have to download it again. Or, better yet, slipstream that service pack into a new reinstallation disc. There's no reason to download it twice.

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    23. Re:Wow... by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1
      Except some mac user could simply want the wonderful Luna theme and happy XP bubble popups...

      Yeah.

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    24. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Wow that was so much effort to even read. Why not just download XPCREATE and let it do all the work???

      I especially liked the "turn off popup blockers" part. Like that's required to install XP or something.

      After successfully installing WindowsXP using your new SP2 CD AND before running Windows Update for any patches - you should first install the Java 2 Runtime Environment. Here is the link. The new version of Windows Update may have errors and not process successfully on some systems without Java present.

      Wait, windows update requires java? HA HA crack smoking! Why didn't you just say you had to install GAIN or HOTBAR or COOLWEBSEARCH to make windows update work?

      I'm sure microsoft would laugh their asses off at the assertion you need java to run their stuff, considering the lawsuit with Sun.

    25. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. If you're bored, there are far more constructive ways to waste time - I've been having fun with the challenges at http://www.osix.net/ recently.

    26. Re:Wow... by dlasley · · Score: 1

      Actually, this one looks suspicously non-Mac ...

      http://files.macbidouille.com/transparent/pages/ga llery_12250_11_18161.html (me pops for goodness)

      A System Tray and Recycle Bin on a Mac ... anyone out there tweaking OSX to look like XP? If so, do you need a free psych consult?

      The only thing I want to see through a transparent screen is very likely NSWF and therefore extremely counter-productive.

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    27. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yep, that's not a mac. The mac people understand that for the effect to be cool, the little details like that black line across the floor must match the screens black path. The Mac people also have a better perception of color and didn't try to pass off a grey pictures of a brown floor as looking cool. Nope, that there my friend is a linux user. It's close enough to the mac, and they really can't see the difference.

    28. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mac people understand that for the effect to be cool, the little details [...] must match [...] Nope, that there my friend is a linux user. It's close enough to the mac, and they really can't see the difference.

      Funny you mentioned that, as a bunch of "little details" ('My Computer', 'Recycle Bin', 'Folder' icons, QuickLaunch bar, actually a little too many details) give out the OS to be Windows. I take it you aren't one of those fabled 'mac users'?

    29. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Not Safe Work For?

      Do you intern for Yoda?

    30. Re:Wow... by rjshields · · Score: 1
      The productivity gained by using a mac gives you plenty of time to do cool things.
      Like saving up for the latest-and-greatest apple product.
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    31. Re:Wow... by Tweezak · · Score: 1

      I'd do it but then my roomates would know where I stash my weed. ;)

  7. Looks like fun by Crashmaster007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Would be a fun way to freak out the uninformed and techincally challanged.

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    1. Re:Looks like fun by Crashmaster007 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It's late, cut me a break.

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    2. Re:Looks like fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Give me a break

      Cut me some slack

    3. Re:Looks like fun by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Problem is, if you're technically challenged, you're unlikely to see why this wouldn't work, and therefore more likely to be unsurprised by it.

    4. Re:Looks like fun by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Only works if you stand in exactly the right place.

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  8. Fun with Transparent Screens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't RTFA but I'm guessing this doesn't have anything to do with screen doors on submarines does it?

  9. How do I... by welshmnt · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Cool dude, but how do I mod a 21" crt like this?

    1. Re:How do I... by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      Shit.

      Does anyone have an exploded view diagram of a Sony 19" Trinitron?

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    2. Re:How do I... by mogalpha · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wow. Are the people modding up parent the same people who find "How-To" papers on making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to be useful information?

    3. Re:How do I... by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      It's how you mix the peanuts and the butter and the jello that gets me... ;)

    4. Re:How do I... by thryllkill · · Score: 1

      I buy the premixed PB&J... that way I can go straight to step 3. PROFIT!

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    5. Re:How do I... by mikael · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just wait until OLED's are scaled up to a larger size and you will be able to have transparent backgrounds without the need for a digital camera.

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    6. Re:How do I... by Dibson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here it is. includes pictures

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    7. Re:How do I... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought step 3 was firing Rick Berman from a cannon and selling tickets...

    8. Re:How do I... by dfries · · Score: 1

      I hope you don't have a need for black.

  10. Very cool by FuturePastNow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But also very transient- move the computer, or just look at it from another angle, and the effect is destroyed.

    And it has to be said: These people have way too much time on their hands!

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    1. Re:Very cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Some of these people seem to have taken a snap of their background and made it their wallpaper, but others seem to be setting their background to white, and then removing the backshells and backlights from their screens. Either way, it looks neat.

    2. Re:Very cool by jez9999 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The thing is, I presume these background are just still shots. So they're not really that clever at all.

      What if Apple embedded an actual webcam in the back of their laptops, and allowed a live background? Then you'd really have a truly transparent background :-)

    3. Re:Very cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What if Apple embedded an actual webcam in the back of their laptops, and allowed a live background? Then you'd really have a truly transparent background :-)

      ati's all-in-wonder (or tv wonder w/ a radeon graphics card) can set a live feed or tv channel as a wallpaper.

      gee. now i don't feel so bad about having this crappy tv wonder pro card... can't record worth a darn and isn't compatible with decent pvr software (open source or otherwise), but hey, i could have a stupid transparent wallpaper if i duct tape a little video camera to the back of my monitor....

    4. Re:Very cool by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Or wait until it is night / dark / light etc.

    5. Re:Very cool by aurelian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      still wouldn't work because the viewpoint would be different. e.g. But I guess you could assume a typical user viewpoint and just try and get it right for that.

    6. Re:Very cool by Deusy · · Score: 1

      That's such an abuse of the word 'truly'. How can something fake be true? Even if it's a live shot with a webcam creating the transparency effect, it's just just an effect and not TRUE transparency.

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    7. Re:Very cool by pnewhook · · Score: 3, Funny
      That's such an abuse of the word 'truly'. How can something fake be true? Even if it's a live shot with a webcam creating the transparency effect, it's just just an effect and not TRUE transparency.

      Right on dude! Glad someone is pointing out these blatant distortions of the English language.

      Another one is 'remote control'. How can they call it a remote control when THE DEVICE IS RIGHT THERE IN YOUR HAND!! If it was truly a remote control it should be able to be on the other side of the room when you use it.

      Fight the deception!

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    8. Re:Very cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was beautiful, thank you.

    9. Re:Very cool by iwan-nl · · Score: 1
      [...] others seem to be setting their background to white, and then removing the backshells and backlights from their screens.

      I'd think that would not work. Do you have a link to back it up?

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    10. Re:Very cool by srid · · Score: 1
      still wouldn't work because the viewpoint would be different. e.g. But I guess you could assume a typical user viewpoint and just try and get it right for that.

      Webcam behind the laptop + RF sensor fixed in user's head/eyebrow that lits the webcam based on the angle, could be perfect.

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    11. Re:Very cool by mattr · · Score: 1

      Darn now Apple can't patent that!
      Although they did patent transparent/translucent cases with dynamic projected patterns on them.

    12. Re:Very cool by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Of course it would work. Haven't you ever seen an LCD screen that lays on top of an overhead projector? You can see right through it when it's projecting white.

      When your laptop screen is all white, you're looking directly at the backlight.

    13. Re:Very cool by jcl5m · · Score: 1

      A lasting effect can be accomplished if you motion track the laptop and motion track the viewer's head. It requires a much more sophisitcated modeling of the environment than a still picture (not necessarily full 3D, but an image based approximatation woul suffice). This was done as reach work about 5+ years ago at UNC. It's a VERY neat experience, but the downsides are that a) it requires a cumbersome motion tracking infrastructure 2) still only works for one viewer.

    14. Re:Very cool by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1
      That's just too darn complicated. It would be easier for hardware makers to build an LCD display with a transparent backing that would allow crystal clear images on top of a completely transparent background.

      Something similar was made years ago, when, I believe it was Toshiba, released a laptop where the back of the screen could be removed to place it on an overhead projector... Sort of a poor man's projector.

      Something much better could be made today, and you wouldn't have to put a camera on the back, then perform all kinds of math in real time to transform the image to give it the right viewpoint, and then detect from which angle the user is looking to move the image around... It simply won't work right no matter how you do it.

    15. Re:Very cool by fishbot · · Score: 1

      I can't remember who made them, but I distinctly remember a laptop being available in the mid-late 90s that had a transparent LCD screen that could be used with an OHP as a means to a cheap projector unit. They appear to have died the death, but it's a way to make this effect, well, real.

    16. Re:Very cool by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Knowing apple, they'd probably put the camera on two rotating servos in the center of the back of the monitor, allow the user to set their seated height so that it'd be right, then teach that icon dock thing at the bottom to move the camera cown a little bit when an icon swelled so it'd look like it was getting heavy and weighing the monitor down.

      And then charge $800 extra.

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    17. Re:Very cool by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      It would be easier for hardware makers to build an LCD display with a transparent backing that would allow crystal clear images on top of a completely transparent background.

      Been done. I can't remember the company name right now (probably, they went bankrupt), but they sold a "folded LCD" monitor, which appeared as 2560x1024 to software, although in hardware it was two 1280x1024 LCDs on top of each other. Windows placed on the right half of your desktop would be visible on top of the pixel 1280 to its left, and the color white (or user-settable) was transparent on the foreground panel.

      A very expensive gimmick of very limited application. (Oh, the front screen was touchscreen mouse-input too)

    18. Re:Very cool by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      Or wait until it is night / dark / light etc.

      Take 24 pictures spaced throughout the day, then install a utility to swap your wallpaper to the matching image every hour.

    19. Re:Very cool by doyle.jack · · Score: 1

      Only if you looked at it straight on. If you looked at the screen from an angle, you'd still see what's directly behind it, not what you should see at an angle through a transparent screen.

  11. how ? by arnott · · Score: 1

    how do they do it ? is it just a trick ?

    1. Re:how ? by mboverload · · Score: 5, Informative

      .... They take a picture, put it as their backround, and then put the computer where the picture was taken. You seriously didn't figure that out?

    2. Re:how ? by Jarnis · · Score: 2, Informative

      Which is the reason why most of these are laptops or TFT Screens.

      Much more painful to pick up CRT and take a picture. I know I don't want to move my 19" monster anywhere...

    3. Re:how ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They use magic pixie dust.

    4. Re:how ? by nick0909 · · Score: 1

      Yes. It is a trick.

    5. Re:how ? by Cap'n+Steve · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Man, I thought Apple had invented some sort of integrated webcam that allowed you to have video as your background. Did it really take people this long to think of this? What's next, taking a screenshot of the desktop and putting that as the background as a prank?

    6. Re:how ? by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think that's how most were done, but it looks like a few may ghave been "done" by taking a picture, putting the monitor in place and putting a solid color on the background (with icons and such on top of that) and then taking a picture of that. The second picture was then merged with the first in Photoshop or a similar application by effects that mimic cromakey. The picture is only a picture, the actual view never existed.

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    7. Re:how ? by double-oh+three · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or possibly a webcam/digital camera right in the back of the monitor that's hooked up to provide the backround updated realtime? I think they probably sell lenses that zoom out far enough to get that same effect. Someone will probably correct me if I'm wrong.

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    8. Re:how ? by Big+Nothing · · Score: 5, Funny

      "What's next, taking a screenshot of the desktop and putting that as the background as a prank?"

      Been there, done that, made my co-worker cry in frustration because the computer was "locked" even after several reboots.

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    9. Re:how ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it isn't a trick, the screens are slightly shotgunned.

    10. Re:how ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still think that mine is the best.

    11. Re:how ? by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      Should parent be marked informative , or grandparent be marked Sleep deprived .
      Seriously though , that gave me the best laugh ive had in long time ,.

      I used to have a clip on camera for my old Ibook , and i know they still exist . so it would be fairly easy to turn it the other way and angle it down to get the perspective correct.
      One thing that did strike me as odd ,Most of these people really need to calibrate their monitors (or dont buy a camera of that brand again) , The ones with the correct calibration look wonderfull

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    12. Re:how ? by brentl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On the flicr site every page states that it's not a photoshop trick. And if you don't believe that look at the images closely, you can see that the colour is slightly off because of the LCDs.

    13. Re:how ? by DingerX · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Many folks are claiming the easy routes:
      A) Take a picture, and move the screen where the picture was.
      The problem with this is perspective. lenses are not flat scans of the world, and you'll see (in fact in some of the shots you do see) some perspective distortion, especially with stuff like vertical lines.

      B)Take picture with and without screen and photochop it.

      Actually, the best non-cheating way to do this is:
      C)
      1) Set your camera up on a tripod, at the scene where you want your monitor.
      2) Remove monitor.
      3) Take picture.
      4) replace montor.
      5) Take another picture.

      up to here this is the same as method B), the photochopping. But instead of pasting the background (And cheating), you crop the first photo to the dimensions of the monitor in the second photo.
      6) Set the cropped picture as background.
      7) Take the money shot.
      8) Wait for the pulitzer folks to get back to you.

    14. Re:how ? by frovingslosh · · Score: 1
      I'm sorry, but I don't believe everything I read on the Internet. I know I should, but I just don't.

      As to the color being slightly "off", of course it is. No self respecting Photoshop hack would miss adjusting the colors slightly to give just this impression. And there are slight issues in getting the two images aligned also, but nothing that can't be done with minimal effort in Photoshop.

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    15. Re:how ? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Yes, especially the one with the cat looks suspicious...

    16. Re:how ? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And the one with the hands even more so!

      But this gives me an idea: why doesn't somebody photoshop a picture of himself, with a transparent teletubby-style screen on his belly. Oh, and the camera would be positioned rather high, looking down....

    17. Re:how ? by mboverload · · Score: 1

      The guy takes a picture of his hand, the funny bag and the table, he edits it a bit and sets the picture as his desktop background. He then tries to align the computer to the original scenery, and he takes a picture of the screen and its surrounding! If it were a Photoshop job, he'd just have to cut a hole where the screen was and paste the iBook on the otherwise unchanged (everything lined-up) image.

    18. Re:how ? by mboverload · · Score: 1

      That's physically impossible. The only way to do that would be a fisheye lens...and it would look fucked up then.

    19. Re:how ? by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 1

      Ditto.
      Nothing's funnier then an error message that won't disappear, desktop icons you can't click, or a porn website that you can't get rid off.

      Ohhh, office pranks ;)

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    20. Re:how ? by permaculture · · Score: 1

      You can miss out the 3rd shot if you just use the 2nd shot and crop in the background for the monitor from the first shot. :)

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    21. Re:how ? by permaculture · · Score: 1

      But then the icons wouldn't be there. I get it.

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    22. Re:how ? by mboverload · · Score: 4, Funny

      haha, Slashdot readers think alike. However, I took a screenshot of the desktop with and error message, photoshopped the error message to something really scary, set that image as the desktop. Man was my coworker tripping. The dumb tech support, too =)

    23. Re:how ? by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      Sure, but that would be too much of a give away. But it's easy enough to introduce small imprefections and still do the hard work after the fact in Photoshop, particularly when working with two images. And you can deliberately shift the camera position slightly to help sell the concept. (Actually, the one of the hand is not one of the ones I even had thought was done this way).

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    24. Re:how ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did this once back in highschool, I even changed the clock so the guy from another class was the one that got in trouble not me. ;)

    25. Re:how ? by phoenix321 · · Score: 1

      Actually, this is a great idea to produce the background images quite fast, thanks pal.

      Hide desktop icons and set color to blue. Photograph desktop with notebook screen open. Close laptop screen, make another photo from same viewpoint. Make sure the camera angle is perpendicular to the plane of the screen to avoid perspective distortion.
      Use the blue desktop as a stencil for the second image, i.e. keep all pixels from the second image when those were blue on the first picture.
      Crop some edges on the resulting pictures, if necessary and you're finished. Remaining picture should now show the correct parts of the background image.

    26. Re:how ? by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. It would take less than five minutes to fake one of these. And I'd do it myself as a demo except that it's lame...

      -Put camera on tripod
      -Take picture without computer in frame
      -Put computer in place with the desktop set to a solid green color
      -Load Photoshop and layer the images together with the "computer in place" image on top
      -Cut out the screen's solid green so the image underneath shows through
      -Adjust the image behind to be slightly offset and mess up the coloring a bit to fool people who fall for stuff like that
      -Flatten and enjoy

      For the especially dedicated, you could take a screengrab of the mac desktop and load that rather than removing the green color so you get a better image.

      N.

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    27. Re:how ? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      For even more fun, you can set the hidden attribute of all of the icons on your mark's desktop or, better still, set it for half of them, take the screen shot, then unset it for that half set it for the other half, so only half of their icons work when come back. If you leave their most frequently used icons working it can be some time before they figure it out...

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    28. Re:how ? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      Eh, maybe some of them are faked. But ya gotta admit, this one is pretty cute. Although, as a cat owner, I'm probably just impressed that he actually got his cat to pose.

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    29. Re:how ? by DeadVulcan · · Score: 1

      But instead of pasting the background (And cheating), you crop the first photo to the dimensions of the monitor in the second photo.

      I don't know if you mean more than usual when you say "crop," but that's exactly how some of them had to have been done - the ones where the screen is placed at an angle to the camera - because not only do you have to crop the first picture, you need to shear it in a specific way to get the perspective right.

      GIMP has this great function for that - called "perspective transformation." :-)

      The real killer is if you're using a non-flat monitor, you should technically correct for the curvature of the screen. That's where I drew the line and gave up.

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    30. Re:how ? by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

      "haha, Slashdot readers think alike. However, I took a screenshot of the desktop with and error message, photoshopped the error message to something really scary, set that image as the desktop. Man was my coworker tripping. The dumb tech support, too =)"

      Heh. You fools using desktop wallpaper to mess with other people, what a waste of time. I useta have a wallpaper image that was a screen-grab of my daily work apps. Boss comes by? *click* Desktop button! (Admittedly, though, I attempted to highlight my wallpaper a few times.)

      Work avoidance > messin with people.

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    31. Re:how ? by mickyflynn · · Score: 1

      I guy I used to work with encryped the command shells on this dudes workstation one time and moved the originals. yup.

    32. Re:how ? by DingerX · · Score: 1

      exactly... in photoshop it's something like transform path/distort. -- mark the screen location on the picture, crop to that area, transform it to the proper dimensions, then set as wallpaper. Might also want a rear-lit background...

    33. Re:how ? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      I wish I knew how to clean off those pressed fairies that keep flying into the back of my laptop's transparent screen when I'm working down in the garden! Windex and Mr Clean just smear them around, euugh!

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    34. Re:how ? by Dashing+Leech · · Score: 1
      "But ya gotta admit, this one is pretty cute."

      Well, yes, cute. But still faked. Look at the upper left of the screen where the blue and green stripes off the blanket miss by a lot. They're all faked, that's the point. Using Photoshop, though feasible, takes all the fun out of it.

    35. Re:how ? by bhhenry · · Score: 1
      "What's next, taking a screenshot of the desktop and putting that as the background as a prank?">


      This was a great prank in the Win 3.1 days in a computer lab -- take a screenshot of the entire desktop with "program manager" open, set it as desktop wallpaper, minimize program manager and hide the icon off the edge of the screen. Sit back and watch the next unsuspecting poor slob threaten to throw the computer out the window.


      (Ah, memories of the great Paint Shop 1.0!)

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    36. Re:how ? by Mad+Bad+Rabbit · · Score: 1
      Much more painful to pick up CRT and take a picture. I know I don't want to move my 19" monster anywhere...

      For the CRT, wouldn't the view be of the inside of the tube and the case? You'd have to get them to manufacture one without the phosphor coating, take a picture of that, then replace it with a real monitor...

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    37. Re:how ? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Why are you suprised that the cat of a Mac user is a poser?

      *runs away*

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    38. Re:how ? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      It's a Sony laptop!

      Doh!!!

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    39. Re:how ? by cosmo7 · · Score: 1

      Furthermore, in space there is no air so rockets have nothing to push against.

    40. Re:how ? by skroz · · Score: 1

      Many years ago I had one that was a random field of overlapping mouse pointers. Stop your mouse, even for a second, and you wouldn't be able to find it until it moved again. Fun trick, hours of entertainment when placed on every computer in the Mac lab and "locked" it in place.

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    41. Re:how ? by c0bw3b · · Score: 1

      that seems like even more trouble to go to than just taking a picture of the background, setting as desktop image and then placing the computer carefully.

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    42. Re:how ? by quakeroatz · · Score: 1

      And why would they do that? Instead of having a usable desktop background with actual icons they can click. You're over thinking this process, it's just a cool idea for a background, one that appears like your monitor is transparent to what is behind it.

      That's it!

      Oh and also the guys using a fish angle lens and a DV cam bolted on the back of their monitor with live streaming video framegrabbed on to their desktop to get a realtime desktop displaying the back of their montior.... just kidding heheehe

    43. Re:how ? by iowannaski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The process is soooo much easier than you just described.

      • Position the camera (preferably using a tripod) so that the orthoganal line extending from the center of the screen intersects the lens of the camera.
      • Zoom in so that the laptop screen fills the picture frame.
      • Fold the laptop screen down.
      • Take a picture.
      • Open the laptop screen back up.
      • Set that picture as your desktop background.
      • Zoom out.
      • Take another picture.
      No photo editing required.
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    44. Re:how ? by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      Another that works pretty well is taking a screenshot and then opening it in photoshop. Fullscreen it and you've got an instant locked desktop. Except you can use all of photoshop's tools to destroy the "desktop" and really freak someone out.

    45. Re:how ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really think it'd be that popular if it was just photoshop hacks?

      How about do exactly the same as what you mentioned, but instead of superimposing the picture that goes on the desktop you export it as a jpg, set it as the desktop pic/wallpaper and take another photo?

      Sounds like a lot more fun to me.

    46. Re:how ? by teknomage1 · · Score: 1

      With a square object like a Monitor screen, you don't need Chroma key, a simple box or polygon selection will work fine and doesn't have the overhead of adjusting for light variance.

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    47. Re:how ? by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      It's not just a simple square object, it's a square object with icons and other clutter on the desktop. So you constrain yourself to the area of the desktop but select only the background color (maybe with just the magic wand selecting by color) That hen gives you an area with icon cutouts that you overlay the alte5rnate picture with. Adjust colors as needed. If you took the two pictures from about the dame position but without a tripod then slide around the in-lay picture for best fit; if you took two pictures from the exct same position with a tripod then slightly scale and move the in-lay to make it look like the pictures were taken by hand.

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    48. Re:how ? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1
      haha, Slashdot readers think alike.

      Back in the days of DOS, Novell 2 and 3, and high school, I once used the PROMPT command to make a logged out box no one was using look like the teacher had logged in and left it sitting at his home directory, unguarded. Was fun to sit one row back in the lab and watch nosey students try reading the teacher's e-mail.

    49. Re:how ? by teknomage1 · · Score: 1

      I don't know if you've ever done Chroma key work, but it's not magical. At that resolution there're going to be a lot of artifacts (places where your chroma color shows through), especially around icons and icon text. It's really not worth the effort.

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    50. Re:how ? by marcansoft · · Score: 1

      Or find one of the right size in the dumpster and smash the screen.

    51. Re:how ? by marcansoft · · Score: 1

      It's VERY difficult to get that perfectly aligned. At least with my digicam which only allows zooming in increments.

      My method (did it, worked fine):

      • Position the camera on a tripod so that the screen looks reasonably square (ie camera plane parallel to the screen plane) and zoom in with some margin left around the screen.
      • take a picture with the screen there
      • remove screen
      • take a picture
      • Open up Gimp, set no-screen picture as background and screen picture as foreground, with half opacity
      • Use the transform tool, perspective mode, corrective applying, and align the corners on the corners of the screen (but apply the transform to the no-screen picture
      • resize and adjust colors
      • set as desktop

      Mind you, it's not THAT difficult

    52. Re:how ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I was assuming that there was a camera behind the computer creating the background. Otherwise, why would this be at all impressive? I don't get it.

    53. Re:how ? by bombadillo · · Score: 1

      If you read the captions underneath the pictures they will tell you how it was done.

    54. Re:how ? by papaskunk · · Score: 1

      Back in the DOS/Win days, my favorite trick was to insert an echo line into autoexec.bat such as "You have contracted the Piglet virus. Your hard drive will soon be erased." followed by the 'pause' command. Ha, you should have seen them, nobody wanted to be the first person to press the any key... wait, where's the 'any key'??!!

  12. They're not very convincing. by Myrmi · · Score: 5, Funny

    I for one can see right through them.

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    1. Re:They're not very convincing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I for one welcome our "I for one"-posts-that-don't-mention-overlords overlords. ;-)

    2. Re:They're not very convincing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      very good now, but does it run...

      hello? is this thing on?

    3. Re:They're not very convincing. by EatCheesyPoofs · · Score: 0

      Well I don't, please stick to format.

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    4. Re:They're not very convincing. by Myrmi · · Score: 1

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these posts!

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    5. Re:They're not very convincing. by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they're just floundering.

    6. Re:They're not very convincing. by samfreed · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia a Beowulf custer of these posts imagins YOU!

  13. How about partial transparency? by product+byproduct · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For a CRT could you draw the electron gun and circuits.

    1. Re:How about partial transparency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be far more interesting than this stuff. I for one would be interested to see what lies behind my monitor, with a transparent overlay of the circuitry in the monitor itself, and maybe even the Mitsubishi label on the back, displayed in reverse.

      The pics on these sites are way too easy to do, especially if the target display is parallel with the camera. It's even easy to do if you tilt the display so that it isn't; about 3 minutes in Photoshop would do it, and it looks like some of these people didn't even invest that much time.

    2. Re:How about partial transparency? by heavy+snowfall · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or how about rendering in little 3d gnomes that dance around behind your screen, on your desk. Would look pretty cool, for 2 seconds...

    3. Re:How about partial transparency? by Trogre · · Score: 1

      I always liked this one.

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    4. Re:How about partial transparency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to burn up the Geoshitties server! :-)

    5. Re:How about partial transparency? by starman97 · · Score: 1

      I was hoping someone would do an Apple Studio 17" CRT model.
      http://www.everymac.com/images/monitor_pictures/ap ple_studio_display_17clr.jpg

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    6. Re:How about partial transparency? by doczarkhov · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be funnier if it ~wasn't~ a CRT?

  14. Funny you should say that... by aendeuryu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some people have entirely too much time on their hands.

    Actually, this guy almost has his hands on the time.

    AhahaHAHAHAHahahahaha I am so, so sorry.

  15. Transparent Desktops a Major Feature of Aero by filterchild · · Score: 5, Funny

    This just in:

    Microsoft has announced that they will be building technology for Transparent Desktops into their next-generation operating-system, Longhorn. Microsoft representatives report that this technology involves cutting the back out of the monitor to allow the image behind it to show through. When asked whether this would impede the monitor's ability to display images, Microsoft replied that this was an issue that will be addressed in SP1.

    1. Re:Transparent Desktops a Major Feature of Aero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News at 11.

    2. Re:Transparent Desktops a Major Feature of Aero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the M$.

    3. Re:Transparent Desktops a Major Feature of Aero by Linker3000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "...Microsoft replied that this was a 'hardware issue' which they would leave for the display manufacturers to resolve if they wished to have their products approved under the MSATD (Microsoft Approved Transparent Display) programme."

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    4. Re:Transparent Desktops a Major Feature of Aero by ktorn · · Score: 1

      Well as long as you don't install SP1 you won't get any BSODs either.

  16. Live, with a webcam? by lewiz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It looks like these are all staged. They look pretty cool but I'd be a damn site more impressed if if could be done "live" with a webcam behind the monitor... :-)

    1. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Ogerman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was gonna suggest the same thing.. it could be a webcam or a cheapo digicam of similar res to the screen itself. Well, you all heard it here first! So when Apple decides it deserves a design patent for "Technique to Create a Real-Time Illusion of a Transparent Monitor Screen" we can all point to the prior art. :-)

    2. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Following that idea, I want to be able to insert ghosts in relevant locations as I reposition a thusly equipped laptop.

      As in, you walk around the house, and if you hold the laptop screen two feet in front of your face at all times, it blends right in seamlessly. But if you point it at something like a sofa, it looks like someone is sitting on it, when in actuality there is nobody there. Smoothly pan the laptop so that the sofa is out of the shot, and the ghost moves with it. But if you shake the laptop, the "person" on the sofa would visibly respond to the shaking by trying to keep his balance. And then your hard drive would crash.

      Doing this with cheap, amateur-grade equipment would be really cool. Get cracking on it, oh time wasters of the world! And then sell your work to some game/toy company! :)

    3. Re:Live, with a webcam? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Webcam or not, look at it from the side and it will still break the illusion... not that it wouldn't be interesting anyways :)

      I would probably end up turning it off to save CPU cycles or battery life anyways, though.

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    4. Re:Live, with a webcam? by mallumax · · Score: 1

      Huh ? Ofcourse they are staged.How it is done is 1)tzoom in on the monitor alone with the camera on a tripod. 2)Then remove the monitor and take a picture. 3)Make that picture the transparent background. 4)Do some final adjustments. Now how will a "live" webcam behind monitor help? PS:The most impressive photo is among them is one with a cat as background.He/she must have done it really fast or the cat is incredibly lazy.

    5. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Paperweight · · Score: 1

      I would for sure buy a kit for this! Would you? When it isn't lined up right it still looks a bit like a refracted image.

    6. Re:Live, with a webcam? by inKubus · · Score: 4, Funny

      You smoke marijuana, don't you?

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    7. Re:Live, with a webcam? by MikeFM · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am more amused by putting a camera pointing at my screen over my shoulder and using that as my live wallpaper. That whole endless hall of mirror effect amuses me greatly.

      Usually I'm just happy to play the movie I'm watching on my desktop though. A DVD Jukebox effect that plays nonstop is a great root window IMO. :)

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    8. Re:Live, with a webcam? by inKubus · · Score: 1

      Apple could probably do it right away, just put a little cam in where the apple thing is on the top cover. Even if it wasn't lined up, it could just average the color and display it on the desktop (like a chameleon). Thus the laptop would look "good" whereever it sat. Which is why people buy Macs.

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    9. Re:Live, with a webcam? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2, Informative
      PS:The most impressive photo is among them is one with a cat as background.He/she must have done it really fast or the cat is incredibly lazy.

      Hey, does images are staged, and there is more than one way to stage them:

      • Set your screen background a solid color which is not present in your room (blue)
      • Take photo of room with Mac (or better of Mac in a blue room...)
      • Take photo of room without Mac
      • In the Gimp, use photo with Mac, and make surroundings transparent, and everything on screen that is your special shade of blue
      • Put the normal photo of the room as a background layer
      • Merge layers (flatten), save, profit
    10. Re:Live, with a webcam? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Hey, and it's not even a Macintosh! Cheater!

    11. Re:Live, with a webcam? by sivax · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The US military is already working on this on a large scale I'd guess. But we won't find out for 20 years if that.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_camouflage

    12. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "No sir, negative on the enemy sighting. But there sure are lot of books, floppy disks and cats lying around though."

    13. Re:Live, with a webcam? by sammy+baby · · Score: 1

      It would be a huge pain in the ass. For a camera mounted in the back of the laptop display to be able to do that, it would have to have an incredibly wide angle of view, which would mean that you'd get a lot of fish-eye distortion.

      Of course, you could mount a pair of cameras on the back and interpolate the results, but... yeah. And hey, free stereoscopic images!

    14. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since you can use a screen saver as a desktop background, all you would need to do is write a screen saver that displays whatever the video camera sees. Probably need to use the Quicktime Framework to connect to a DV device?

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    15. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but you could run that distortion through a filter....Photoshop has a fisheye filter, just gotta do the same thing in reverse...

    16. Re:Live, with a webcam? by dangitman · · Score: 1
      The most impressive photo is among them is one with a cat as background.He/she must have done it really fast or the cat is incredibly lazy.

      Have you ever heard of horse tranquilizers? They work on cats too, y'know.

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    17. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should hear his "jump to conclusions" mat idea.

    18. Re:Live, with a webcam? by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 0

      Yes, and that's the other solution. Get really high and just imagine that you can see through your computer :)

      The Camera idea wouldn't work. That is, it wouldn't look real. The color depth and definition of webcams usually suck, also, the lens of the camera would be about 10 cm away from the screen in the case of LCDs, let's not even talk about CRTs, So you would se an image that doesn't actually fit the context.

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    19. Re:Live, with a webcam? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well the cat behind the screen could be sleeping. Cats do that. they will look to see what the crazy guy is doing with the web-cam and realizing it is not hurting them they will go back to sleep.

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    20. Re:Live, with a webcam? by tlk+nnr · · Score: 1

      Not, that's not enough.
      You need two webcams that look at the viewer, calculate the position of his eyes, and then adjust the background. Preferably in realtime, then it would be really convincing/scary.

      The background image can be static

    21. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      Actually that wouldn't quite work right, since the point of view then would start from behind the monitor instead of from where you're sitting (the reason most of these are laptops is because the easiest way to do it is close the laptop, sit back, take a picture, then cut out the part of the picture where the laptop's screen would be and use that as the background.

      Though now that I think of it, if you used the whole picture, and a program that displayed part of the picture based on the results of the motion sensor in the powerbook, the end result might be pretty cool.

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    22. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he swears he doesn't inhale.

    23. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Omeganon · · Score: 1

      And how, exactly, would this work? The camera would be several _feet_ closer to the background. Unless you had your face plastered to the screen the image wouldn't line up at all and would in fact be a large view of a small area. The effect would only really work if the background were quite some distance from the monitor, i.e. outdoors.

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    24. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I caught the reference, too bad no mod points today.

    25. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      but you know what might work? use a panoramic camera to take the picture, then get your desktop to scroll as you spin in your chair with Amit Singh's AMS hack.

      Now, I see lots of reasons this wouldn't work, or would be difficult to implement. The main thing would be holding the laptop exactly right as you spun in place. You'd need some sort of rig to keep the lap top positioned correctly. The other big thing is I don't know how sensitive and accurate the AMS is, so it might be impossible to sync up.

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      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
    26. Re:Live, with a webcam? by setagllib · · Score: 1

      You would still only have the same static perspective, so even skewing won't 'create' things you would see from a different perspective (hard to explain but you should already know what I mean). Even Active Camouflage uses a similarly flawed approach, in that it doesn't look behind it, but uses a static 'before' image that a 'monitor' mapped on an arbitrary surface (e.g. the trenchcoat) does its best to display. It's a neat party trick but it doesn't allow changing perspective or anything else useful like that. But, when we have a sensor surface and a monitor surface (with enough colours) AND a real time processor capable of compensating for the differences, and possible lighting issues on both sides, then we would have it.. then all it takes is to merge the sensing and monitoring into one surface. That's the ideal goal, I'm sure, since it's the only way to get anywhere near believable transparency. Maybe a decade off, but maybe less too - never underestimate research grants and caffeine.

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    27. Re:Live, with a webcam? by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      Other thean resolution issues ( where have you seen a webcam that can capture at 1600x1200??? ) this is trivial to do in *NIX. Just use mplayer to play your webcam feed using their v4l input, and play it on the root window.

    28. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems like the hack only takes images out of the screensaver and onto the desktop but not the screensaver itself, so no animation.

    29. Re:Live, with a webcam? by sambamateur · · Score: 1

      Some guys from Tokyo University have a project on this, called optical camouflage

    30. Re:Live, with a webcam? by pentalive · · Score: 1

      It would require some sort of special wide angle lens on the webcam, You would probably want to do it with a flat screen of some sort.

      It would be especially neat if the lce went all the way to the edge of the monitor, no bezel at all if that's possible.

      then you have windows and Icons floating on a clear pane of glass.

      It would be like the big workboard from the police station in Minority Report.

    31. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once used a webcam with VideoLan client on XP that converts what the webcam sees into the desktop background to see "transparently". But the only thing I saw was me :(

    32. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be really impressive.. one word: perspective

    33. Re:Live, with a webcam? by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Have you tried pointing a camera at a monitor displaying the camera's image in a darkish room, and putting it very close?

      Eventually the hall of mirrors effect melts away to an amorphus blob of blue (not sure why it is blue, I'm sure there is a technical reason, probably based on CCD sensitivities), and small movements of the camera can control the spinning/morphing of the bright blob.

      It can make for some cool effects.

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    34. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get a cheap leather sette/couch and you'd be away ;o)

    35. Re:Live, with a webcam? by imac.usr · · Score: 1
      It seems like the hack only takes images out of the screensaver and onto the desktop but not the screensaver itself, so no animation.

      No, you actually can run the screensaver engine itself in the background. The original poster probably meant to link to this hint instead.

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    36. Re:Live, with a webcam? by jinzumkei · · Score: 1

      nah that's not a new idea either, i've been pulling that joke on the boys in the lab since we got our new flea cameras.

    37. Re:Live, with a webcam? by mothz · · Score: 1

      You smoke marijuana, don't you?
      Maybe he's just a scientologist.

    38. Re:Live, with a webcam? by remmelt · · Score: 1

      phat!

      the new powerbooks come with motion detection, people are designing games for it and stuff.. so it can be done, but notusing cheap hardware ;-)

    39. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You try to force people not to smoke marijuana, don't you?

    40. Re:Live, with a webcam? by Ogerman · · Score: 1

      Obviously the optical challenges would be pretty huge.. which is why I meant the post primarily as a joke about silly design patenting.

      On the other hand, some sort of extreme wide-angle lens (fresnel?) combined with perspective correction in software might be able to sorta make it work.. at least with more distant objects behind the screen. It'd be interesting eye candy regardless..

    41. Re:Live, with a webcam? by ByteMangler_242 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Quoth: You smoke marijuana, don't you?

      Mod -1, redundant
      Yes, an earlier thread already confirmed this is a Mac thing. :)

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    42. Re:Live, with a webcam? by uberdave · · Score: 1

      Try this when you get a chance: As you point the camera at the screen, rotate it along the axis of the lens. You get some truely kaleidescopic effects happening.

  17. Boring by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 0, Redundant
    And I thought that I had nothing constructive to do with my free time....

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    1. Re:Boring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plenty of time to post about it, apparently.

  18. These things suck by Moofie · · Score: 5, Funny

    I downloaded one of the pictures and put it on my desktop, and it totally didn't look transparent at all.

    Lame. And it's probably smaller than a Nomad.

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    1. Re:These things suck by themoodykid · · Score: 2, Funny

      But does it include a stopwatch?

    2. Re:These things suck by grozzie2 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Well that was silly, you downloaded the mac version. You probably need the pc version, or at a minimum, load it thru a mac emulator.

      You have 2 options at this point, spend the next few hours googling to find the pc version on the net, or, just put your digicam behind the monitor, take a shot, and download a version customized for your computer, directly from your digicam.

    3. Re:These things suck by Feztaa · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Actually, that doesn't work, the perspective would be all wrong. You have to move the monitor out of the way, snap a picture, then put the monitor back and crop appropriately.

    4. Re:These things suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't force a meme.

    5. Re:These things suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, memes force YOU!

  19. What the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where are the links to the article? I see links to thumbnail galleries, but no article. So do these computer have webcams built into the back of the screen to make it look camouflage? That seems like a pretty cool hack. Or did these people take pictures and then set the computers up to look like a window? In that case this seems pretty lame.

  20. USB camera by mmca · · Score: 1

    Do it with an USB camera and you can have an ever changing background. Setup it up to take a snapshot
    every couple of minutes. So it will look right even when you move the computer.

    -M

    1. Re:USB camera by DustyShadow · · Score: 1

      You'd probably have to have a super duper wide angle lens for this to work well.

    2. Re:USB camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could just point the camera in the other direction then you would be able to watch out for ninjas, tanks (it's no wonder they got rid of 'em), bosses, and other hostile mobs. Seems like it would be a whole lot more useful anyway.

    3. Re:USB camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Noname Taiwanese webcam (tiny little thing) comes with some noname software (It has a name, It just all in Chinese so I have no idea) that creates an live deskdop background from the cam feed. I used to just mount the cam on top my lappy pointing at me which created a mirror effect as the wallpaper. I have now velcroed the cam to the back of the screen creating a fairly cool see thru effect. The cam also has IR based night vision which cuts in automatically when it gets dark .. so I now tend to wander around the house in the dark navigating by looking "Thru" my night vision transparent screen ... cool

    4. Re:USB camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having said the above .. I must agree the cameras POV means that you don't have anything that could even closely mistaken as transparent .. but ... it is great for sitting in the park and perving.

  21. Man it's a slow /. day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    • A kid named after an EQ character.
    • An old and uninteresting hidden apple video.
    • People with digital cameras who know how to use the crop tool and set their backgrounds.
    For those that find this stuff enthralling this should make your day.
  22. Built-in Webcam by fembots · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What they need is a built-in webcam like Sony's Vaio TR3A, a flippable camera in the top centre of the monitor, and do a full screen live-feed.

    Then you'll be able to move the laptop to anywhere and the screen will still look transparent.

    1. Re:Built-in Webcam by t0ny747 · · Score: 1

      It wont be at the right angle or even wide enough. :/

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  23. oh look it's 1997 again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Between this and the Apple Easter Egg story, This Day in Slashdot isn't worth the bandwidth.

    1. Re:oh look it's 1997 again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think this is bad? Wait until April 1st rolls around...

  24. Linking to an Image Gallery by tektek · · Score: 1

    I guess I'll come back and check it out in a day or so. :)

    1. Re:Linking to an Image Gallery by Storlek · · Score: 1

      It seems to be holding up pretty well. I looked at every picture there with no trouble.

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  25. Not just for macs. by tuba_dude · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I did it on my linux machine too! It's nice and transparent, although I suck at perspective.

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    1. Re:Not just for macs. by mbrewthx · · Score: 0

      That is very nice, I like it that you kept the LCD mounts in the picture.

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    2. Re:Not just for macs. by TelJanin · · Score: 1

      It will work for anything that can set a backround. That said, yours is cooler - it has the monitor brackets included.

    3. Re:Not just for macs. by andy753421 · · Score: 1

      For perspective, just make sure you have the camera in the same position when the monitors aren't there and then after you have set the backgrounds. If you can set it on a table or something, and mark off exactly where it was the first time so that you can put it back the same way after transfering the picture to youre computer and setting your backgrounds it should turn out almost perfect.

    4. Re:Not just for macs. by nyquist · · Score: 1

      nice one!

    5. Re:Not just for macs. by Alsee · · Score: 2, Funny

      I suck at perspective.

      Just blame it on refraction.

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    6. Re:Not just for macs. by adpowers · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I really liked his, the monitor stands really add to the effect. Great job!

    7. Re:Not just for macs. by skinfitz · · Score: 3, Funny

      You did graphics like this on Linux? Get back to programming and stop getting big ideas.

    8. Re:Not just for macs. by BlainTheTrain · · Score: 1

      Great job w/ the pic. I dig the SK Dark Tower books VI and VII as they're adding value and character to the photo. Keep up the good work.

    9. Re:Not just for macs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and I see Office Space one your desk, you get 2 extra geek points, but -1 for Stephen King and the Da Vinci Code

    10. Re:Not just for macs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very entertaining. Great with two monitors, brackets, etc.

  26. Slashdotted at 2a.m. by quokkapox · · Score: 1, Informative
    The web server has surrendered^w been slashdotted.

    Coral cache

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  27. Oh dear lord, have mercy on their webserver... by nsaneinside · · Score: 5, Funny

    You posted a friggin' IMAGE GALLERY on the FRONT PAGE of SLASHDOT??
    Whaddaya wanna do, KILL 'EM??

    1. Re:Oh dear lord, have mercy on their webserver... by nmb3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're obviously new here.

      They stopped even pretending a long time ago that they cared about melting a server.

      One of the best I could recall, though not direct linked, it's close enough. Over 250MB, but hey, it was Microsoft. Slashdot fights back!

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    2. Re:Oh dear lord, have mercy on their webserver... by drigz · · Score: 1

      > Whaddaya wanna do, KILL 'EM??

      This is a french Mac site, so...

    3. Re:Oh dear lord, have mercy on their webserver... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is that my download actually did stop in the middle and I had to restart it. Don't let anyone tell you it's not possible to slashdot microsoft.

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    4. Re:Oh dear lord, have mercy on their webserver... by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      "The funny thing is that my download actually did stop in the middle and I had to restart it. Don't let anyone tell you it's not possible to slashdot microsoft."

      It's not. They use Akamai to mirror their downloads, so they have *way* more bandwidth than could be used by the 250,000 active readers of Slashdot.

      Microsoft.com is the #4 website on the internet; MSN.com is the #2 website. If 70 million daily visitors don't take them down, I doubt that 250,000 more are going to make much of a difference.

    5. Re:Oh dear lord, have mercy on their webserver... by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      If 70 million daily visitors don't take them down, I doubt that 250,000 more are going to make much of a difference.

      If microsoft had just that day released a 400 megabyte downloadable critical service pack... anything goes.

  28. real-time with chroma-key? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I want is an app that can chroma-key my desktop to my webcam so I can see out the window behind it in real-time :-)

  29. The real trick by OpMindFck · · Score: 1

    Now what I want to see is a setup with an iSight mounted to the back of the montors with a nice wide angle lens attached.

    Use some nice altivec magic to transform that realtime image and then make that the desktop background. Only then will I be satisfied that I have a "transparent" desktop.

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  30. Not likely to work well by AvantLegion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    An image created by that USB camera would show what's behind the monitor from the camera eye's perspective, not yours.

    1. Re:Not likely to work well by pnatural · · Score: 1

      Gee... if you could only... maybe... MOVE THE CAMERA?

    2. Re:Not likely to work well by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Uh, then you'd have a picture of your own screen.

      Do the geometry and you'll understand why that won't work.

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    3. Re:Not likely to work well by Alsee · · Score: 1

      you'll understand why that won't work

      Just because you're a rocket scientist and understand why it can't work doesn't mean he will. Chuckle.

      For what it's worth, you can get it to very nearly work if you have a distant background, then the error would be minimal. Put the monitor in front of a big window and point the camera out at the street. That's a good setup anyway because you get cars and birds and stuff passing behind the screen.

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    4. Re:Not likely to work well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! I AM a USB camera you insensitive clod!

  31. Just in time, to see all... by nsasch · · Score: 1

    but the last image in the gallery. /.'ed right before I could load the last one. Almost like a wall, so sudden, so sad.

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  32. More transparent fun by PxM · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I was hoping that the BGs were inside shots of the CRTs or detailed views of LCD panels rather than illusions of the room which only work from one angle. However, I am reminded of the transparent skirts.

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    1. Re:More transparent fun by valkyriekl · · Score: 1

      LCD panels are pretty boring underneath the matrix...after you get past the liquid crystal matrix, it's a couple polarized sheets, a diffuser plate...and then...the outer shell... I'd be more interested in a CRT...since I've never seen the inside of a CRT's tube, I can only surmise that it has gears slowly turning...and a guy who sits in front of it, banging his boxing gloves on a keyboard...with robot boots...and blue hair. Gotta have the blue hair. I'd be way more impressed with a live-cam sort of "transparent" background...and maybe have a computer with three cameras, two of them mounted pointed at the user to figure out where his/her head is, and one mounted pointed out the back of the monitor, on a motarized swivel mount to adjust...so that the image from the camera behind the monitor would always be "correct". Okay, it's late and I'm rambling. But that's what I'd like to see.

    2. Re:More transparent fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that the insides of CRTs aren't very interesting!

      http://www.electronics-lab.com/action/gallery/insi de_crt/

  33. Looks good in 2D not in 3 by cliffjumper222 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These look extremely good when you set them up and then snap the result BUT they do not look any good at all or convincing when you try it in real life. I know because I'm so sad I tried it on Friday when this story first came out on gizmodo.com or engadget.com (always get those mixed up). If you really want to have a go remember:
    1) You really need to use a laptop because shifting a CRT monitor or even an LCD panel is tough, flicking it down is easy.
    2) Try to match the resolution of the camera to the screen size otherwise you'll have to stretch it to get it to fit right. Even then it won't look right because it only looks right from one position.
    3) Get a app that lets you tint and alter the gamma of the photos. My digital camera's white balance just didn't create the same yucky yellow tint that my office strip lights have. Couldn't match it at all.
    4) Admit that honestly, if what's behind your PC monitor is a dusty cube wall it's probably not worth looking at anyway, and no, you won't fool anyone.

  34. Dupe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    I call dupe.

    ... oh wait, nevermind. Sorry.

  35. I did it by adpowers · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here is my quick attempt. Some of the ones out there are really neat, especially the one has three screens overlapping on flickr. I thought it would be fun to do one of these, and then GIMP something into the image. Have my PowerBook looking out the window, and then GIMP a picture of the Eiffel Tower off in the distance. I'm too lazy, but someone else could do it :)

  36. but how about the speling impared? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but how about the speling impared?

  37. Newsworthy? by Big+Nothing · · Score: 1

    I looked at the pics and some of them look really cool, but is this really "news for nerds"? Is this tech news?

    The websites are extremely image-intensive, so I expect them to bulge any second now. Here's the story:

    * Take a picture of the background where the computer normally resides
    * Put said image on computer desktop
    * place the computer so that the background image blends in with reality
    * Take another picture, one that shows your computer with a "transparent" background
    * Upload said picture to a "Transparent Background Website"
    * ???
    * Profit? ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Slashdotted website.

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  39. The Dilbert view by jerdenn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great - now I can stare some more at my cubical wall all day long.

    Next, someone will figure out a way to tattoo that image onto the inside of my eyelids.

    1. Re:The Dilbert view by JRIsidore · · Score: 1

      Next, someone will figure out a way to tattoo that image onto the inside of my eyelids.

      Unless you put an extremely bright lamp right to your eyelids this shouldn't bother you very much...

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    2. Re:The Dilbert view by tag · · Score: 1
      Next, someone will figure out a way to tattoo that image onto the inside of my eyelids.

      The reverse was featured in today's Zits comic strip. It won't let you see your cube wall, but it can allow for undetected sleep at work.

      Sorry, direct link won't work after today. But you can choose today's date (March 27) in the drop-down for two weeks or so.

  40. wow by onthefenceman · · Score: 1

    The one with the cat is wicked. I wonder if the color balance changed because of the monitor or because the light in the room changed.

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  41. Dynamic by iamnafets · · Score: 1

    It would be cooler if somehow the background image was dynamic depending up the angle between you and the monitor, so tilting your head to the left doesn't ruin the effect.

  42. A couple technique pointers. by Shag · · Score: 4, Informative
    I gave it a try with my PowerBook and it came out not too awfully, although the shelf behind it isn't aligned quite right in this shot - I blame refraction. Or, um... sunspots!

    A few pointers I figured out along the way:

    1. It's very important to keep the camera angle the same. If you've got a tripod, this is a good time to use it.
    2. Shooting perpendicular to the display (i.e. not at any sort of angle) is the simplest way of making things line up properly, since you don't have to stretch the backgrounds for perspective or whatever. (Some of the shots in the gallery are at angles and are very impressive in terms of difficulty.)
    3. Backgrounds with lots of stuff in them look cooler than "gosh, the wall shows behind the computer" in most cases. Elements that extend from behind the screen, or wrap around to the side or front can also be fun.
    Next time I'm really bored, I'll try to work up something that has a mirror in it...
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    1. Re:A couple technique pointers. by glamslam · · Score: 1
      This reminds me of a Salvador Dali art exhibit involving a mirrored wine bottle sitting on top of a abstract-looking canvas. When viewed at the right angle, you could see a very not-abstract image of a man or a woman.

      It was very cool, but I've never been able to find a way to get a copy of this very cool image OR an explanation of how he did it.

    2. Re:A couple technique pointers. by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 1

      I've been looking through the archives and I can't seem to find that one. Do you recall what is was called?

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    3. Re:A couple technique pointers. by Mignon · · Score: 1
      ... a mirrored wine bottle sitting on top of a abstract-looking canvas. When viewed at the right angle, you could see a very not-abstract image of a man or a woman

      Sounds like anamophosis. Cool stuff.

    4. Re:A couple technique pointers. by rho · · Score: 1
      Do you use that Studio Display with the laptop positioned that way? I ask because I have tried the stacked screen layout, but it destroys Fitt's law unless you move the menu bar to the top monitor, which I generally don't do because I'm using the big monitor for Photoshop.

      It's an inefficient layout, but it is also unfortunately the simplest to set up due to how we normally interact with laptops.

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    5. Re:A couple technique pointers. by Shag · · Score: 1

      Nah, the Cinema HD and the smaller panel visible to the right of it are connected to a Power Mac. I don't have the DVI-to-ADC adapter for the PowerBook, and I'm trying to sell the Power Mac and the Cinema anyway, so I don't expect to get the adapter in the future. Yeah, verticalness like that would kinda be weird.

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  43. another intersting idea. by Mortiss · · Score: 0

    This would work well with CRTs only. I would take a picture of the inside of the empty casing of my monitor againts the computer working background and use it as a desktop pic. Since the cases often have vent holes in them you should be able to see whats behind it. To complete this further id put an item inside an empty case (a lit candle?)
    The only problem is i have no desire to gut out my monitor.... pictures anyone ?

  44. Re:Every Weekend... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    me too!

  45. That really defeats the point by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any idiot can merge two layers together in Photoshop. The whole point of these images is the work it takes to get the image really on the screen to match as closely as possible to the background...

    Find a few that make you suspcious, and I'm sure a lot of people will point out why they were not done in PS.

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    1. Re:That really defeats the point by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Find a few that make you suspcious, and I'm sure a lot of people will point out why they were not done in PS.

      Ah, but obviously any such flaws were added in photoshop as well! Just to prove that it wan't done in photoshop!

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    2. Re:That really defeats the point by frovingslosh · · Score: 1
      I'm sure a lot of people will point out why they were not done in PS.

      Only if they point out "proof" like the colors not perfectly matching or the images be slightly misaligned. The point is that you can't prove it wasn't done in Photoshop. In some cases you might prove that a photo was doctored with a Photoshop like product (matches of background in cloned areas, errors in shadow direction, and similar mistakes), but these types of error are unlikley when merging two pictures taken from the same spot. Anything else, including color mis-matches and even screen reflection placed over the added image, can be added in by Photoshop. So if someone made an error in putting together a composit you might be able to find and make a good argument that it was done with Photoshop, you can never prove that it was not.

      There are a few where I suspect Photoshop's use is even more likely than some others. These include the Ipod device in gallery_2661_11_46165.jpg and the multiple notebooks in gallery_9311_11_153001.jpg. In both cases the screens we see are at an angle to the observer. (the ipod seen from below, the front laptop turned away from the camera. To acomplish the photos in the "official way" the images would have to be distorted when see front-on so that they look right only for that one exact camera angle the picture is taken from. That doesn't prove anything, because with a lot of work the images could be distorted that way. But both images show remarkable detail through their "transparent backgrounds". I would expect any such image manipulation if done the "real" way would cause some loss of pixel resolution. Yet looking at the printed text through the Ipod (from below, so the actual picture would have to be distorted to acomplish this) you can see that the pixel resolution of the text as seen through the ipod is as good as other text on the page, just color corrected to make it look like it is being seen through the screen. For the second picture you can see that the texture of the rock wall, although it undergoes a color shift, does not show the loss of resolution that would be expected if the image had been manipulated to allow it to be viewed properly from the direction it is being viewed. Feel free to point out anything in either picture that can be done by the techniques that supposedly made these pictures that cannot be done in Photoshop.

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    3. Re:That really defeats the point by tootired · · Score: 2, Informative

      My post has a link to one I did with extreme angle.

      Here is the image with the illusion broken. Enjoy.

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  46. X rated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    I have one of those, but I cant put a picture on the website because it is X rated. That blonde babe behind my computer keeps calling me, but Id rather be here talking about important stuff.

    Hey! it is importante.

  47. Fun With Transparent Screen Backgrounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't realize that it was fun.

  48. Oh My God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh my gay god. Mac userd should know better. Color coordinate your case color with your transparency.

  49. I swear thats what my wall looks like! by Lil-Bondy · · Score: 0, Redundant
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  50. To truly complete the effect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Install Disctop.
    -gko

  51. Blitzkrieg! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way to declare war on France! Next target for slashdotting: The Prime Minister's website

  52. Even better, add a tracking webcam and 3D by Filiks · · Score: 1

    Take three pictures and combine them with the 3D Reconstruction of Scenes. Then have a motion-tracking webcam on top of the monitor. Finally, have the background being continuously rendered to follow where the viewer is!

    1. Re:Even better, add a tracking webcam and 3D by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      What if you have more than one viewer?

  53. When I read this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  54. Fun with web cam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't you point your web cam away from the computer from the back (so it will be filming the "background" of the computer) and then show the stream in your desktop background?

    That would give the real "live" effect of transparency.

  55. People who love taking phot by pg133 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    People taking photo of their computer screens reminds me of this project.
    Infinite Cat Project

    Some people have way to much time on their hands!

  56. pr0n? by Agret · · Score: 0

    I used one of these to watch pr0n while having sex with my girlfriend....now I have neither

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  57. Transparency on a PSP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those pics are cool but try it with a PSP

  58. Perhaps with the Apple Video System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The on pre iMac Macs the Apple Video System allows you to input video and display it in a window. You could expand the window to the screen size, bring some other app to the front, and the video system "window" would still be updating live in the background. A little grainy, but still live.
    -gko

  59. Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does Doom 3 look like on these monitors?

    "Ohhh I see my bed! I'm so scared there's probably an imp hiding under that pencil sharpener!"

  60. Old news. Popular several years back here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Old news. Transparent screens have been quite popular with the Gay Mac Users Group for several years now.
    http://www.tribe.net/tribe/8c30d72f-3bd0-4333-a964 -78dc3303b696

  61. Holograms by monster8 · · Score: 1

    What they need to do is have the screen like a hologram. That way when you look at it from different angles it will show a different image. Combine all these and then put them on a fighter jet and you have a stealth fighter! A stealth fighter covered with LCD screens. Yes, I am crazy. Yes, I am tired at 3:16AM.

  62. Oops my window is open by jerryyyyyyy · · Score: 1

    So what happens when this technology becomes real and your beating off to your neighbor undressing outside your window?

  63. DUHHH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How would the camera take a picture of what's BEHIND your screen when you're screen in in the way? You can't do this trick without moving the computer/monitor to take the picture and then putting it back.

  64. Transparent backgrounds, winamp, and karaoke by t0qer · · Score: 1

    I'm actually typing this live at my work... Which is kind of funny.

    For about a year now i've used the overlay mode in the winamp AVS to put trippy backgrounds behind the karaoke lyrics. The overlay mode basically works by replacing a RGB value with the AVS output. Really keen.

    I fear clicking the link and RTFA might give me a popup (i'm on the DJ machine, I hate it when a website unexpectedly puts a popup on the karaoke window) But hopefully AVS, and overlays has something to do with transparent backgrounds.

    Anyways, all you late night geeks up like I am, Happy easter. If you wanna see what the heck im talkin about, just tune into toqerTV on winamp. Its a nifty transparent background trick with winamp. Stupid hackers took down the server my sig is on :./

    --toq

  65. slash.dot.us by Panaphonix · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or are the Live Bookmarks for Slashdot and http://del.icio.us/rss/popular/ getting very similar?

    1. Re:slash.dot.us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Write about it in your journal, cause this is off topic...

  66. it's march 27 by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    this article is 5 days too early

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  67. Trompe L'oeil by Detritus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It looks like a modern version of trompe l'oeil, without all the pesky work involved in learning how to paint.

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  68. Re:Boring freedom by courseB · · Score: 1

    could always take a walk, with your laptop.

  69. Screensaver by opspin · · Score: 0

    This would make a great screensaver on a friends computer, freak him/her out.

  70. Transparent color LCD's? by cgenman · · Score: 1

    As a side note, does anyone offer transparent color LCD's? I know transparent black and white LCD's have been available for years now in clocks and other devices. And the luminosity would be terrible, of course. I'm just wondering if such a thing would be technically possible, perhaps with a little creative afterburner-style front lighting.

    1. Re:Transparent color LCD's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      AFAIK a colour LCD works by tiny colour filters in front of the subpixels. That would probably spoil the transparency, in case you remove the backlight. Even if the colouring effects would even out on the average, the fact that the colour filters pass through only one third of the light. would make anything behind the screen appear dark. And I bet t hat the colour display would look like crap when you don't have any kind of backlighting beyond whatever random lights and colours there are behind your screen.

  71. Inside of a monitor? by diginux · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It'd be cool if the transparency showed the inside of the monitor!

    1. Re:Inside of a monitor? by v1 · · Score: 1

      It's been done with the computers anyway...

      http://ether.asu.edu/video/TiGutz/TiGutz.jpg

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    2. Re:Inside of a monitor? by ogewo · · Score: 1

      Wasn't that a wallpaper that came with MS Plus! 98?

    3. Re:Inside of a monitor? by Ray+Radlein · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. I have a couple of monitors which are fried; it might be worth it to either smash the front of the tube, or remove it entirely (or the one followed by the other, of course), and take head-on pictures of the insides...

    4. Re:Inside of a monitor? by diginux · · Score: 1

      If you do, please let me know! I think it'd be fairly cool.

    5. Re:Inside of a monitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never ever open a CRT. If you break the tube all the gas escapes (don't know whether it's poisonous), plus for 6 months+ after the last use of the monitor it retains an extremely powerful charge that could get you sent to the hospital at the least. You have to be trained.

    6. Re:Inside of a monitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly right, however it's not poisonous gas inside but a vacuum. i.e. hit it hard enough and it implodes, glass shrapnel goes everywhere and kills you. There's probably some poisonous stuff in there too, as icing on the deathcake that is a CRT.

    7. Re:Inside of a monitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      First off, the likelyhood of breaking a CRT tube is pretty unlikely -- there is some pretty thick glass in there.

      Second, there is high voltage in the tube, but as long as you are not poking around in there with a screwdriver while it is on, you are pretty safe. In fact, on every CRT that I've opened, there is usually a sticker with an arrow that says "High Voltage". As long as you're not poking there, and the power is off, you are safe.

      Third, most CRTs these days have what is called a discharge circuit -- when the monitor/TV is turned off, the high voltage is quickly discharged.

      Fourth, as for gas, there is no gas in a CRT. In fact, there is nothing at all -- it's a vaccum. If there was any gas in a CRT (including oxygen), the CRT wouldn't even work at all.

      If you don't believe me, at least look it up -- your library probably has a book or two that talks about CRTs (maybe a TV repair book, or something like that). If you don't want to go look at the library, try looking on Goolge or the wiki.

    8. Re:Inside of a monitor? by Ray+Radlein · · Score: 1

      The only thing inside a CRT which is likely to be even the slightest bit dangerous would be the materials which make pretty colors on the inside of the front of the tube when the cathode rays hit them; some of those are rare earths and the like. Still, it's probably no worse than the stuff inside flourescent light tubes, and I wouldn't be licking the stuff.

      Aside from that, as others have pointed out, the inside is a vacuum, and all of the angry electrons live at the back of the monitor, behind the CRT. I've poked around back there before without killing myself even once, because I am properly deferential towards angry electrons.

    9. Re:Inside of a monitor? by mcgroarty · · Score: 1

      Phosphorus is nifty because it's an anticoagulant. If you cut yourself, you get a wound that doesn't heal without being washed out thoroughly. A deep cut with phosphorous-coated glass can be comedy.

  72. Big Deal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  73. 2am? Which 2am? We ain't got no 2am here. by twoshortplanks · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Dude, the thing about this internet thing is that it's international. Hell, it's not like even all the states has 2am at the same time. Stating a time without a timezone is particularly useless.

    Hell, it's not even like in the UK we had a 2am last night. My clock went straight from 1.59am GMT to 3am BST

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    1. Re:2am? Which 2am? We ain't got no 2am here. by kevingolding2001 · · Score: 2, Funny
      I think I know where your missing 2am went.

      Here in Australia last night we had an extra 2am. It went from 2:59 back to 2:00 again.

    2. Re:2am? Which 2am? We ain't got no 2am here. by anamexis · · Score: 1

      Ooh, right, in that case, the webserver went down at @879 in Swatch Internet Time :)

    3. Re:2am? Which 2am? We ain't got no 2am here. by jcuervo · · Score: 1
      Ooh, right, in that case, the webserver went down at @879 in Swatch Internet Time :)
      Wow. I never really looked into Internet time before (I figured it was stupid and would never catch on :-)), but there's a "Party" timezone. Sweet!

      Maybe it's worth looking at after all.
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  74. mobiles by pr0jekt · · Score: 1

    could it be possible to do this for camera equipped mobiles, background changes as it moves etc?

    1. Re:mobiles by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      Battary life = teh sUx0r

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  75. TP 755CV: A real transparent screen by robbarrett · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back a few years, IBM sold a laptop where you could detach the back cover of the lid, exposing the screen so that it could be placed on an overhead projector. I worked with Ted Selker who invented it, so I had a homemade prototype version. When I presented at conferences and everyone else struggled with F7 and video formats, I just whipped the back off my Thinkpad and put it on top of the overhead projector. I don't think anyone listened to my talk because they were all craning their necks to see what I had done with the display. All of the questions afterward were about where to buy such a nifty device rather than anything about my talk!

    The removable back was also useful for working outdoors. You could put a white reflective surface behind the screen and backlight with sunlight, making it usable no matter how bright it was.

    1. Re:TP 755CV: A real transparent screen by mithras+the+prophet · · Score: 1

      Wow, thanks for reminding me of the era when laptops routinely cost $6000+!

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    2. Re:TP 755CV: A real transparent screen by kyoorius · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I built a transparent aquarium screen a few years back.

      http://www.techfreakz.org/fishmon/fishmonscreen1.j pg

      other misc pics:
      http://www.techfreakz.org/fishmon/

      The Betta fish kept attacking dark parts of the screen where it saw a reflection.

      ~kyoorius

    3. Re:TP 755CV: A real transparent screen by toby · · Score: 1
      The removable back was also useful for working outdoors. You could put a white reflective surface behind the screen and backlight with sunlight, making it usable no matter how bright it was.
      I've been wondering for YEARS why nobody does this! Glad to hear somebody tried it. I have a hunch it will catch on again, once energy prices increase... ditto solar panels on laptops & mobile phones.
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    4. Re:TP 755CV: A real transparent screen by Ray+Radlein · · Score: 1

      In other words, you are the only person in history whose monitor had a live-in Beta tester.

    5. Re:TP 755CV: A real transparent screen by Caseyscrib · · Score: 1
      Your instructions are extremely helpful! Thank you very much!

      :p

  76. Or so it looks like your doing work by Stone316 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    A friend of mine at work took random screen shots while he was doing work and turned them into a slideshow screensaver. One day I went by his desk and assumed he just stepped away for a second until my plans to leave him a nasty message failed when I moved the mouse and a password prompt came up.

    Apparently he does it so people think he's working. Fooled me.

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  77. Been done on British TV by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Informative
    Adam Hart-Davis did this for his TV series, where he mounted four huge flat screens on the side of a Mini, a camera on the other side, and a mass of control gear and batteries inside.


    It *kind of* worked, not that well though. On the basis that it was hacked up in a day for a low-budget TV programme, it was pretty good.


    I wouldn't say the US military had the monopoly on developing cool stuff. Can they even afford to, these days?

    1. Re:Been done on British TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't say the US military had the monopoly on developing cool stuff. Can they even afford to, these days?

      The US military is the one federal program that has not had its funding slashed to pay for Bush's tax gifts to his millionaire friends. The next round of cuts will probably involve closing schools and snatching the food from orphans' mouths, but Bush will convert to Islam before he orders one cent taken away from his precious weapons programs...

    2. Re:Been done on British TV by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Wait, did you just ask if the US Military has enough money? Isn't that like checking that Antarctica hasn't quite run out of cold?

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  78. This but not PNG? by jgardn · · Score: 4, Funny

    They'll probably implement the transparent background technology before PNG compatibility in IE.

    Meanwhile, by the time they get it working, the OS community will have 16 different implementations of the TDT (Transparent DeskTop) standard, and SVG will have been extended to include it.

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  79. Transparent backgrounds? by arose · · Score: 1

    I was hoping for wallpapers with alpha channel... More Gnome news please!

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    1. Re:Transparent backgrounds? by argent · · Score: 1

      I was thinking of running your screen-saver modules on the desktop, under a translucent image layer.

  80. what about this? by BlackShirt · · Score: 1

    take webcam, shoot at correct angle, stream on the desktop

    {------- webcam {-laptop {------- you

  81. What if it's on a wireless connection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Solution: embed a webcam in the cover of the laptop and then have it auto update to the desktop background :)

  82. Re:SO!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's my Starbucks cup of frosty piss?

  83. finally a practical use for transparency by wdebruij · · Score: 1

    if this doesn't shut up all those pragmatists shouting that transparency is just useless eye-candy, then I don't know what will.

    Now I can finally stare at the wall all day long.

    1. Re:finally a practical use for transparency by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Has X come up with a transparency function that's more than just this same trick, micro-applied just to individual windows? You know, where you can actually see windows under your windows, instead of just the desktop image[0].

      [0]Yes, even if your desktop image is Oshiro Miwa, you might STILL want this feature. Get off my back!

  84. Re:SO!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to order that as a "Capucino"

    Oh no wait, that's "Frothy piss". My mistake.

  85. Used in our church by gidds · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There's a good use of this at my church.

    It was built before overhead projectors were commonly used for showing the words of songs, so they didn't leave anywhere for a screen. Covering the back wall is a big wooden cross -- we used to project words onto the wall on one side of this, but it was cramped and could only be seen from one side.

    But recently, someone had a bright idea. We now have a video projector, and a large screen which descends to cover the cross and surrounding design -- when it's not being used for words, they project a picture of what's underneath it. It's not perfect (the alignment and colour are very slightly out), but it's a good solution which allows everyone to see the words without getting rid of the focal point.

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    1. Re:Used in our church by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my church we have books. Not only do they have the words, but they show the tune! Maybe someday your church will have the same technology.

    2. Re: Used in our church by gidds · · Score: 1
      :-)

      Well, in my church, we like to learn new songs occasionally -- ones that (shock, horror) aren't in the books!

      Actually, books do have one advantage. I play in one of the worship bands, and for long songs and hymns with many verses, I sometimes find it hard to keep track of which verse we're on. The noise of people closing their books at the end can be a jolly useful hint!

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    3. Re:Used in our church by Johnny+Mozzarella · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the idea.
      My church has the same problem.

    4. Re:Used in our church by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy solution: stop going to church

      God is santa clause for adults

  86. transparent screen BACKGROUND by __aahlyu4518 · · Score: 1

    This does not let met see thru the complete monitor.. it make me look at the insides of it !

  87. SGI used to sell something like that too. by Kickasso · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not a laptop but a standalone transparent flat panel.

    1. Re:SGI used to sell something like that too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they did. They were the SGI Indy Presenter LCD panels. They were 12-inch LCDs with a removable back plate designed to be put on top of an overhead projector. Back plate contained the diffusers for the backlight. I have one sitting in front of me.

      When the back plate is removed, the LCD automatically reverses for display on an overhead. There were two models; one at 1024x768 resolution (I have it), and one at 1280x1024 (AWESOME!). They used a special card for the Indy workstations with a special interface cable. I guess these are rather rare now.

  88. More here by gallir · · Score: 2, Interesting
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  89. Better Flickr link by darkpurpleblob · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Flickr link in the story only links to one person's photoset (no disrespect to that person, w00kie). The Transparent Screens group pool is much more interesting as it aggregates everyones transparent screen photos.

  90. Why? by stevewrd · · Score: 1

    I just tried this. Problem is, I have a blank wall behind my monitor.

  91. This seems strangely surreal and Belgian: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm sure that Magritte would have approved: http://www.mcs.csuhayward.edu/~malek/Magrit6.html

  92. You don't need to pull a prank... by Kjella · · Score: 1

    or a porn website that you can't get rid off.

    ...to get this, someone on the same floor as me has managed that three times in the last year and a half. Nothing but a full reinstall would clear it, ran anti-virus, spyware cleaners and whatnot but it all came back. Glad I don't do their tech support (not even same company). I tried to help out but seriously - if they asked me to take over, I'd be the admin and noone there would get more than user privs. Not even power user.

    Kjella

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    1. Re:You don't need to pull a prank... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And watch their productivity drop to zero because no-one codes programs for windows correctly and most business programs require admin priveledges to run.

    2. Re:You don't need to pull a prank... by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 1

      I wonder if someone set the desktop background to display a screenshot of an open window (a fairly common office prank).

      I've seen people try to reinstall EVERYTHING without thinking to change that picture or even set up a new user account.

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  93. Or a static effect... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For what it's worth, you can get it to very nearly work if you have a distant background, then the error would be minimal.

    If you know the distance to the object, you can do a distortion effect (I think a "punch" effect would be right, squeeze the center out towards the sides). That'd only work if the objects stays at a fairly fixed distance, if you have a glass window to the hallway you should be able to see people walking by just as if it was transparent.

    If you wanted to make a really advanced variety, you could measure the distance by e.g. IR pulses or something and dynamicly apply the effect with different settings. That should work until you get as close as the camera can see (the camera must see what you would've seen in the upper left corner).

    Kjella

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  94. Had to be said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I for one welcome transparent humor."

  95. impossible with only one cam by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1

    The picture is dependent from the angle you look at the screen, so the system at least has to know your position. Moreover, it is possible that the image you will be seeing is not completely visible by a (one) webcam on the back. Nice idea, though...

  96. What this exercise really shows... by Walkiry · · Score: 1

    Is how crappy colour reproduction is in TFTs these days. Most of those have a blue tint nowhere near the actual background; although some were obviously made that way on purpose, most are just the chopped/lined up shot. I wish that weren't the case (I use TFTs myself), but sadly it is.

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    1. Re:What this exercise really shows... by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      TFTs have random contrast/brightness depending where you stand and cheap digital cameras (especially when someone forgot to white balance) don't help either...

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  97. OK... by dalmiroy2k · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just opened my CRT, removed my monitor screen, tube and back panel.
    It looks dark through... :O
    Now what?

    j/k ;)

  98. Great! by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1
    This is indeed a great and _right_ way to do it and one of the cleverest things I read at /.

    One more detail may be needed: adjusting for the gamma/color of the monitor, in other words, you may need to play with the hue/saturation settings of the picture.

  99. NERD ALERT!! NERD ALERT!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nerdiest. Post. Evar.

  100. too bad its not really transparent by UlfGabe · · Score: 1

    n/t

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  101. Slashdots new motto... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    News for meeting quotas. Stuff that people submit that editors just publish without reading.

    Bogus battery extenders? Grafedia? Photos of what's behind a computer monitor hyped as "transparent backgrounds", an effect that only works from one point in space and only if you're blind in one eye? I'm glad I wasn't stupid enough to pay for early access this shit.

  102. Ahh, it appears.. by Deal-a-Neil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ..the reason that we haven't yet come up with a cure for AIDS or cancer is that all of our scientific minds are engaged in activities that far more pressing, such as transparent backgrounds. Just joking, this sh*t's important.

    This kind of reminds me of that HP photo/camera commercial, where that fellow snags frames out of the air, capturing screen shots from live motion in the foreground and background with each one he grabs.

    1. Re:Ahh, it appears.. by jcuervo · · Score: 1
      This kind of reminds me of that HP photo/camera commercial, where that fellow snags frames out of the air, capturing screen shots from live motion in the foreground and background with each one he grabs.
      Linky.
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  103. I'm going to go one better by rollingcalf · · Score: 1

    I'll have somebody take a picture of me sitting at the computer.

    Then I'll take that picture and shrink it to place it within the monitor screen that is within the picture. Repeat. Then I'll make that recursive scene become the screen background.

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  104. Making a real one. by EnsilZah · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had this virtual-pet thingy once which i got for free somewhere and when i removed the LCD it looked just like regular glass.

    Is there anything preventing one from relocating the hardware at the back of an LCD monitor for the same effect?

    1. Re:Making a real one. by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 0

      ummm.. the need for a backlight maybe?

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  105. Meh, pretty easy. by Kredal · · Score: 1

    Just a bit off kilter, but that's ok. Proof of concept works at least. (:

    http://www.kredal.com/images/transcraptop.jpg

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  106. I Should Have Patented This... by Jack+Johnson · · Score: 1
    I did this about 3 years ago when there was an intense competition around the office to have the coolest wallpaper.

    Just think how many people I could be filing frivilous lawsuits against today!

  107. MOD THE SPAMMER DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This person is spamming with their sig MOD THEM DOWN!

  108. These are transparent monitors, not screens by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Am I the only geek that expected to see backgrounds that showed the insides of the monitors? Hardware is much more exciting than the wall or shelves behind the computer. I can think of some good joke possibilities too along the lines of things or statements that would be funny or shocking if they had been hidden inside your monitor.

  109. live with usb webcame on GNU/Linux laptop in 5min? by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1

    Could a video camera be rigged to do this 'live'? If you attached a video camera to the back of the screen, could you pipe the video (some 'reduced' frame of the wider shot to the destkop XWindow. Heck an IR-based-distance-to-wall hack connected to serial that tells you just what proper subset of the video you need (10ft to wall=all the live-video-frame, 1ft to wall=just center 10% of frame scalled to full background window)..

    im not an uber-hacker, but i imagine some one who *is* could put this together in an hour or three..?

  110. Did one better than that by jolyonr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Boss's PA had a monitor that attached with seperate R G and B BNC cables.

    I swapped around the Red and Blue cables and carefully adjusted the colour settings in Windows 98 to swap all the R & B components around so all menus, etc looked normal.

    Of course, the moment she started browsing websites all the images loaded wrong.

    Took ages for them to figure out what was wrong - video driver reinstalls etc.

    Got a written warning for that one, but was worth it!

    Jolyon

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    1. Re:Did one better than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my god. Thank you! That is awesome!!

      I am going into work early on monday just to use this trick! :^)

    2. Re:Did one better than that by rolling_or_jaded · · Score: 1

      Heh... I got one of my co-workers who was running several 'on-the-side' businesses while at work, mostly over email - which he was very protective of, as it had the potential to get him into a *lot* of trouble.

      I threw together a little VB app which, when launched, displayed an error saying that his Exchange mailbox was locked by another user (said user being the GM of the company). When he was away from his desk, I remotely killed off the outlook.exe process on his machine, and copied over my app as outlook.exe.

      When he got back to his desk and noticed Outlook wasn't running, started it, and saw the error - shit, I've never seen someone move so fast ;) Good thing he came to me and not the GM though...

  111. system resource hog? by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't this kind of hose your performance? I mean not totally but you might see slowdown when running even one big app?

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  112. Slashdot has become Boing Boing 4 days later by atlaz · · Score: 0

    this was on boing boing 4 days ago:
    http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/23/transpa rent_s creen_i.html

    Has anyone else noticed that Slashdot has dropped the ball?

    How even in the year 2005, when services like Coral and Bittorrent are released that we still have the "slashdot effect" on servers?

    Why is our traffic being driven to these sites in such a half hazard way which is destined to crash them?

    If Slashdot gained so much money when they became owned by a corporation why don't they simply host the files and avoid the Slashdot Effect?

    or simply changing all their links to Coral.

    Or creating a new mirroring system to solve the problems.

    In the old days before slashdot became stagnant, new technologies would be created to solve these problems.

    Now they just report on links from BoingBoing 4 days later.

    It's just sad.

    Thunt

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  113. Re:They're not very convincing? by Embedded · · Score: 1

    Neither was the advanced technology warefare demo of "seethrough Camo". But it did passingly good for a Harry Potter'esk invisibility cloak. Actually someone viewed "Preditor" or "Alien vs Preditor" and copied it. Consider this the Alpha 1 prototype.

    Author C Clark invented Geosyncronous communication's satellites. He did not get the implementation dead on but could have gotten the patent claims right!

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  114. I was fired for this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anonymously posting to save myself more embarrassment....

    I thought a funny personal joke would be to take a screenshot of the background with start menu showing. I then moved the real start menu over to the right (upper) side of the desktop. I also widened the monitor display far enough so that the real start menu wouldn't visibly "pop" when the mouse bumped the right hand side of the screen. I used my desktop like this for months, using the windows key (you know, the key between CTRL and ALT on most keyboards?) whenever I needed to find something on the start menu. I had every program I needed mapped to combination windows key and the first three letters of the program name.

    I had a co-worker amazed one day when he happened to look over my shoulder at my screen: "TWO start menus???"

    Anyway, on to the firing part of the story: One day when I was out of the office the IT staff had to install something on my PC. They wasted a day trying to figure out what was going on. I guess they couldn't find the "windows" key. In my firing report they also cited the fact that I had also turned off services (On a windows box! Turning of services! Imagine that!). So I was fired for that too. Mind you there were no regulations on what an employee could do with there boxes (This was a university setting).

    I suspect the real cause of my firing was that I ratted them out for poor security with government databases, but I digress...

    So be warned, lest the same fate befall you my slashdot brethren.

    Anonymously yours.

  115. I haven't seen one of these done with an outside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  116. But they aren't using photoshop you fuckwad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that's the whole point!

    Can't you figure it out?

  117. been there, done that by nothingx · · Score: 1

    I did this a few years ago in my dorm room at school. Funny thing is, my roommate said then, the same things people are saying now. "Uh, shouldn't you be studying or doing something better with your time...?"

  118. flowchart of the process by Stevyn · · Score: 1

    That said, I figured I'd have to share this. I made this a few months ago to show that Visio can make even the simplest task look difficult.

    When I showed this to my roommate, he exclaimed "It's that hard?!?"

    http://www.tcnj.edu/~pompeli2/pbj.gif

    1. Re:flowchart of the process by Rubyflame · · Score: 1

      That flowchart is broken. He never initialized counter.

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    2. Re:flowchart of the process by Stevyn · · Score: 1

      count/counter...same thing ;)

  119. how ?-Can you read me now? Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "haha, Slashdot readers think alike."

    No we don't. ;)

    Try this on an unsuspecting victum. Change the language from whatever it's set to, to something the victum doesn't understand. e.g. English to Chinese. Watch the fun begin.

  120. Re:Live, with a webcam? And transparent windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think a better idea would be a transparent background using a USB camera with semi-transparent windows (like those of Terminal.app) on the top of it. The effect is like those HUDs on fighter jets.

  121. There's more than just that one set on flickr by Spydr · · Score: 1
  122. 10 seconds is up by jtara · · Score: 1

    OK, here's the pr0n angle: you send a picture of what's behind the screen (i.e. your bedroom, preferably not a wall a foot away...) to the pr0n site. They shoot live pr0n on a green screen and superimpose it on your background. The pr0n actors can see the superimposed video so they can get in the right positions and not walk through walls, etc. I guess they will need a green bed with green sheets.

    Great idea for bachlor parties. Get everyone liquored-up real good first, and see who actually believes it.

  123. Rene Magritte did this long ago... by Simonetta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's a little disconcerting to see that no one has posted that Belgian surrealistic artist Rene Magritte did these type of images (painted canvas displaying background) back in the 1920s.

    Don't you guys ever look through those big books of surrealistic art in bookstores and libraries? Much of the imagery that we consider 'weird' and 'futuristic' now was first conceived and painted back in the 1920s and 30s. Guys like Salvadore Dali, Yves Tanguy, Joan ('Ho-ahn') Miro, Max Ernst, and Rene Magritte created the modern fantasy landscape look.
    Their work was a step beyond the inflamed, blood-soaked, passionate, and sex-obsessed imagery of the 19th century Decadent Romanticists like Gustave Moreau, Klimt, and DeVille. It was this over-stimulated buffoonery led to the disaster of the Great War. Surrealism was an attempt to invoke the primal mental forces that lay beneath duty, religion, and even consciousness.
    Since you'all have broadband you can find this images and paintings easily on the web. They are definitely worth the trouble to find and view them.

    1. Re:Rene Magritte did this long ago... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What the hell does "decadence" have to do with the start of World War I? I always thought World War I was the result German nationalism leading up to the period. Heck...Germany's war plans had been written by Bismark in the 19th century.

      Unless, by "Great War", you were referring to some sort of cultural revolution.

    2. Re:Rene Magritte did this long ago... by GigsVT · · Score: 0, Troll

      I think people stopped taking fine art seriously after crap like Picasso.

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    3. Re:Rene Magritte did this long ago... by bataras · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whew. For a minute there I was getting a little disconcerted that no one would post something saying they were disconcerted that no one posted something about that kind of thing being done many years ago in their posting about that kind of thing being done many years ago.

    4. Re:Rene Magritte did this long ago... by TuringTest · · Score: 2, Funny

      And people stopped taking physics seriously after crap like Einstein, too...

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    5. Re:Rene Magritte did this long ago... by waynelorentz · · Score: 0

      Very surreal.

    6. Re:Rene Magritte did this long ago... by melquiades · · Score: 1

      It was this over-stimulated buffoonery led to the disaster of the Great War.

      In other news, New Kids on the Block were ultimately responsible for both Iraq wars, and the lack of harmony in medieval music caused the Black Death.

      Their work was a step beyond the inflamed, blood-soaked, passionate, and sex-obsessed imagery of the 19th century

      OK, I love Dalí, but we're talking here about the guy who painted The Great Masturbator.

      Seriously, what planet are you from?

    7. Re:Rene Magritte did this long ago... by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Einstein didn't write like a hyperactive 5 year old. Actually that's insulting to the 5 year old artists.

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    8. Re:Rene Magritte did this long ago... by TuringTest · · Score: 1

      Quite ironic that your link to kindergarten art states: In Kindergarten art class, we explore various two and three diminsional media .

      Picasso worked with the 4th dimension, like Einstein did. Tell that to your average 5 year old kindergarden children.

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    9. Re:Rene Magritte did this long ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something's telling me Rene Magritte didn't have a Powerbook, a fancy digicam, and a copy of Photoshop. And if he did, he wouldn't be Magritte - he'd be me.

    10. Re:Rene Magritte did this long ago... by PabloJones · · Score: 1

      I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry.

    11. Re:Rene Magritte did this long ago... by identity0 · · Score: 1

      While it had little to do with the actual political causes of the war, it had an effect on how the war was percieved and fought. Not that artists were running the war, mind you, but the generals and leaders had their view of war still stuck in the romantic and heroic myth of war.

      They didn't seem to grasp the power of modern technology over men and willpower, and thought that a determined and spirited attack would be able to overcome modern defenses.

      The public was also swayed by this notion into supporting the war as well. Looking at this page, it seems the British public thought of the war as a glorious adventure at first, and they did not have to resort to conscription until 1916.

    12. Re:Rene Magritte did this long ago... by x2A · · Score: 1

      *lol* class :-)

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  125. Rene Magritte did this first :) by Vadim+Grinshpun · · Score: 1

    Technically, the idea is not new -- Rene Magritte has a series of paintings of this sort. One, for instance, depicts an easel standing in front of a window. The painting on the easel is "transparent" in exactly the same sense.
    For those who are interested, search for "The Human Condition" (or something like "Le Condition Humaine", if you pardon my French :)

  126. Re:It will be profitable [winhat] by jrl · · Score: 1

    And when he had opened the fifth seal, i saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the effects. The acorn is the external coating of fat chicks kicking it og style.

  127. One question... by serjinn · · Score: 0

    at which step do I profit?

  128. More Ideas by spin2cool · · Score: 1

    Posted about this the other day, adding some ways to extend it:

    It would be easy to extend this idea and set up a web cam to stream images of the background to your desktop. It could be full video, but for better performance, I think I'd just prefer using a time delay to keep it current (say, 2 minutes?). That would keep your background up to date with any subtle changes in the background (natural light, movement of objects, etc). Optionally, a motion sensor could be used that would trigger an update every time you tilted your monitor.

    Sure, it's nothing but eye candy, but if implemented correctly and efficiently, it could be uber-cool.

    One more crazy idea - incorporate two micro-cameras and 3d glasses with a tracking device. This would allow several things. First of all, the objects in the background could really appear to be in the background (and all of your icons/programs/videos could be cooler, too). Also, by monitoring the position of your head in relation to the monitor, the cameras and background image could be shifted to make the illusion of transparency even more complete.

    Implementing this would definitely be worth ultra-double bonus points (and probably a PhD).

  129. First try and how-tos by tootired · · Score: 3, Informative

    My first try is available at Macbidouille and I wanted to say how these things are TRULY done, not some wild guessing/oversimplification/cheesy head-on way out.

    1. Get a tripod and mount your camera to it.
    2. Set up the scene. It works best if you have things exiting from behind the display.
    3. Shoot 2 shots, one with the display down (or removed depending on your notebook ownership), and one with it up.
    4. Take both shots into Phothsop/Gimp/Whatever.
    5. Copy the screen up (present) shot and paste it into the image with the screen down (missing).
    6. Perspective crop the image to the edges of the visible screen.
    7. Delete the layer with the display.
    8. Resize resulting image to display resolution on laptop (display).
    9. Set resulting image as background. without moving your display.
    10. Shoot scene again and enjoy the magic.

    Depending on your patience level, this technique works for as many levels of transparency as you'd like to fake.

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  130. That's no lie... by Seng · · Score: 1

    Sure, my Linux boxen have some fancy backgrounds, but I have far more important work to do than screw around taking a picture of the f'ing wall so I can see what's behind my computer...

  131. Intresting by Vidar+Rapp · · Score: 1

    I should not be to hard to do something like this using a simple webcamera that sends a stream to VideoLAN-client (for example), that in turn shows that stream as a wallpaper (this is a standard feature of VLC). I have to try this, just for fun. :)

  132. IRIX used to do this by The+IMC · · Score: 1

    I had an SGI O2 on my desk awhile back that had a camera on it. IRIX came with a screensaver that would take the image from the camera and enviro-map it to an image on the screen of a spinning metallic O2 workstation. It was cool, but ridiculously processor intensive.

  133. The crap wasn't Picasso's by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2, Informative
    Picasso did real art, and he did it very well. He was a master (in my world, a master is someone who knows the rules well enough to know when, and how, to break them to good effect). Picasso broke so many rules, and still ended up with good art, that the pretenders who came after him just presumed that there were no rules. (FYI: Picasso did some very good realist art before he got into surrealism)

    Many of those Picasso pretenders produced complete garbage that was all but indistinguishable from the scrawlings of a 5-year old. Some of them were probably complete frauds who couldn't draw to save their life, but used 'surrealism' as an excuse to produce garbage with a high price tag. Others would have been otherwise good artists, but didn't understand what Picasso was doing, and so ended up with pale imitations of his work.

    There were some who could understand what Picasso was doing, and how he was doing it (more or less). These people were able to properly follow in the style and produce good surrealist art. I get a sense that many of them got swallowed up in a larger pool of garbage.

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    1. Re:The crap wasn't Picasso's by Mantorp · · Score: 1
      Count me among those who don't get Picasso. I went to a Picasso exhibit opnce and was thoroughly unimpressed. Lots of crotches and bulls, sometimes in the same sketch even. Yawn.

      Yeah OK, la guernica is cool.

    2. Re:The crap wasn't Picasso's by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1
      Now, the surrealist style has leaked into a lot of spaces we rarely even recognize it as such. Back then it was an almost-entirely new paradigm of art. Think the Mac/Lisa and Xerox's predecessor GUI work vs the DOS shell. Now, we might look at it and yawn (compared to the newest tricks), but back then it was a leap into an entirely new space.

      Same thing with Picasso.

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  134. But tell me again . . . by hawk · · Score: 1

    . . . why I want an image of the inside of my monitor??? :)

    hawk

  135. Some People by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1


    have WAY too much time on their hands.

    (As I waste my time posting this.)

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  136. Girlfriend? by PuppiesOnAcid · · Score: 0, Redundant

    You must have mistaken Slashdot with some other place...

  137. Vacuum Tubes by Alien54 · · Score: 1
    . . . why I want an image of the inside of my monitor??? :)

    Windows had a theme like this with vacuum tubes on the inside

    yes, welcome to the age of vacuum tube computing

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  138. Semi realistic transparency by isny · · Score: 1

    At least he had the guts to show the cables... I'd be afraid that if I did this, I'd be reminded what a rat's nest I have behind the machine...

  139. Thought you'd bring up the iPod one by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I have to admit that out of all of them, the iPod looks like the cadidate most likely to be rigged. But, I still think that one is really just from the slightly differing contrast on the screen - if they had a DSLR they would have had more than enough resolution to achieve the result even with signifigant image warping. Of course you can also do all that in Photoshop, so we'll never really know for sure unless other proof is offered (it would be cool to see the orginal files that were used on the screen to proove how real it is).

    Personally I fee that the work to lay out the whole setup was well done enough that the person is also likley to have taken the effort to do the real thing.

    But I still think that a clever photoshop job really doesn't fit in with the spirit of the thing, and so I do not think many people would do it.

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    1. Re:Thought you'd bring up the iPod one by frovingslosh · · Score: 1
      I have to admit that out of all of them, the iPod looks like the cadidate most likely to be rigged.

      Yea, the Ipod one really really looks unlikely to me. If you enlarge the shot about 400% and look at the text at the bottom of the screen and the text to the right of the Ipod on the same line you will see that the pixels seem exactly the same size and there is no degrading of text as one would expect there to be if the Ipod had an image of the background and that was skewed so that it only looked right from this one side angle (as opposed to straight on).

      I do not have an Ipod, have never even touched one. So let me ask a few questions. These are only questions, I in no way offer them as proof that the image is false: I assume the Ipod has a color screen or there would be no discussion of this at all. Is the color screen resolution great enough o pull this off? Is the color depth deep enough to pull of the slight color differences seen? Can you even put up a background and show absolutely nothing else as seems to be done here? Of course, even if the answers to all of these are affirmative, I still don't think the text resolution would be that sharp it it was really displaying a distorted image when viewed head on.

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  140. This is 10 year old "technology"... by MartynB · · Score: 0

    I remember installing a bunch of IBM laptops many years ago, where you simply unclipped the back of the display and it left the LCD transparent. The intention was to fold the screen down backwards until horizontal, and then lay the screen over a standard projector. Oh lookie, a quick google digs up this article, dated 1995: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3563/is _n13_v11/ai_17383390 Most of the fatcats I was setting these up for didn't even want them, but the geek in me just knew the coolness factor for leaving the cover off, and having a transparent display. And here, it's taken you guys 10 years to realize... ;-)

  141. Hiding place by Tweezak · · Score: 1

    I kept expecting to see a computer with a bong and stash bag "hidden" behind the "transparent" monitor.

  142. increase penis size! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'm surprised nobody has put a laptop monitor in front of their member and *ahem* enhanced it.

    But I guess i'm the only one insecure enough to think of that :(

  143. Build Your Own LCD Video Projector by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  144. Believe all answers are yes by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The iPod Photo is supposed to have a pretty good screen, also with good color depth - and can be used to preivew images full screen.

    So, it's possible. Like you say the text resoltion is tricky, I don't have one myself so I cant say if it's really high enough for that or not. I think we'll just have to leave it an open question.

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  145. This must be faked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everybody knows that FC tards stash their used socks behind their monitors.

  146. Forget that... by potat0man · · Score: 1

    Why go through all that trouble? Just take the cross down and when you're not singing project one onto the wall. Problem solved.

    Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week.